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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Special Ed on June 30, 2006, 08:03:07 PM
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
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Lie #11 - "I'll win the Olympia"
Reality- "17th..oh crap!"
Guess who?
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Ed,
Amendment to #9...
Lie: I'm natural right now since it's the offseason ::)
Reality: "Only" 1g/wk test, 6-10 i.u. hgh/day, 6-10 i.u/day slin and 1 t3 tab/day ;D
A certain pro in Las Vegas told me that one and I almost pulled an ab muscle I was laughing so hard and he was serious!
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lol awesome post
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "PooperScooper" Ed
I would say drugs are more like 70% of the picture
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Ed,
Amendment to #9...
Lie: I'm natural right now since it's the offseason ::)
Reality: "Only" 1g/wk test, 6-10 i.u. hgh/day, 6-10 i.u/day slin and 1 t3 tab/day ;D
A certain pro in Las Vegas told me that one and I almost pulled an ab muscle I was laughing so hard and he was serious!
a la tom prince
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I would say drugs are more like 70% of the picture
Its called hyperbole
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I would say drugs are more like 70% of the picture
I have irrefutable scientific evidence that drugs are exactly 83.972054334% of the picture!
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Awesome use of free time Ed! Yeah, you rock! Sign your name in another funny way, that's always hysterical.
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Sign your name in another funny way, that's always hysterical.
I think so too.
Goat "monster originality" boy
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I have irrefutable scientific evidence that drugs are exactly 83.972054334% of the picture!
My calculations along with the University of Florida Biochemist majors produced results of 83.972052222%
You were a couple of trillioninths off.
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My calculations along with the University of Florida Biochemist majors produced results of 83.972052222%
You were a couple of trillioninths off.
you guys are all wrong hormones are 98% of the picture and drugs are 97% of the picture ;D
and muscletech 89785784325786243756829% sucks
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Awesome use of free time Ed! Yeah, you rock! Sign your name in another funny way, that's always hysterical.
Bro, i'm with you...everytime he posts, it makes my day with his signatures!!! ;D ;D ;D
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you guys are all wrong hormones are 98% of the picture and drugs are 97% of the picture ;D
So, between "hormones" and "drugs", we appear to have accounted for 195% of the picture, correct? It naturally follows, then, that everything else (eating, training, etc,) must equal negative 95%. ;D
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you guys are all wrong hormones are 98% of the picture and drugs are 97% of the picture ;D
and muscletech 89785784325786243756829% sucks
I love the muscle tech ads that really do say GAKIC will increase your strength and gains by 11.7% or some % that I care not to remember
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My calculations along with the University of Florida Biochemist majors produced results of 83.972052222%
You were a couple of trillioninths off.
Yeah, but the greater average temperature in Florida, which sits at a much lower latitude that Georgetown University where the original studies were done, would account for the slight difference in the result.
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Yeah, but the greater average temperature in Florida, which sits at a much lower latitude that Georgetown University where the original studies were done, would account for the slight difference in the result.
D'oh!
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Yeah, but the greater average temperature in Florida, which sits at a much lower latitude that Georgetown University where the original studies were done, would account for the slight difference in the result.
Well you are correcty you know! Because in Vegas, as the pro mentioned to me, taking 1g/wk of test would consitute being "natural" in the summer since it's so hot and heat naturally decreases sperm/test count according to him so beings that its 110 degrees at a corrected elevation of 2900ft, he's natural with a 1g/wk (it's only hrt)! ;D ;D ;D
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
I had to quote this post as it is classic and kinda true in spirit. My buddy Bix met the split bicep champ Dave Dupre from the Arnold era at the GOLDS in Venice years ago. He said all he ever got was partial payment from Joe W for some articel featuring his bicep training in the old musclebuilder and power. Bix said he headed off in an old , beat up Rambler with smoke comming out of the tail pipe and that Dave said he lived with his aunt.
I know a number of decent bodybuilders on all levels that were bums or lived with parents/off girlfriends, etc.
Today, many do have legit supplement contracts and do make some $$ off being pros.
Granted, the reality is the sport by itself offers little real career stablity, but it is better today that years ago, in terms of income potential. Shoot if Titus could hustle a decent buck in recent years past, the sport does offer something for a lot of pros
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I would say drugs are more like 70% of the picture
Drugs are 98-99%.
See Levrone, Flex, Arnold, Haney, etc... without drugs : there are totally normal.
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#15 The bank made a mistake
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Lies # 11. try to say it to my face in flesh.
Reality you can be twice as less smaller but still beat the shit out of the likes kamali etc
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Lie #12: I'm 5'7
Reality: I'm 5'5 in boots
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On the ESPN Olympia broadcast, Jim Quinn had stated that Billy Smith did skin fold measurements on Flex in Gold's Venice a week before the show. Quinn went on to say that Flex was the only bodybuilder ever to measure at 0.0. Could this be a lie?? ???
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good thread,but athletes in general like the limelife,the difference is someone like shaq could actually play the role and play it well cause of his big money compared to some bodybuilder makin peanuts,even ronnie or jay look like welfare cases next to a guy like shaq or jeter
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“Actively seeking sponsors” or “available for sponsorship” ;)
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This is one of the funniest thread I ever read..
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#15 The bank made a mistake
I am shocked that Shawn didn't delete this comment
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lol good one
Lie #11 - "I'll win the Olympia"
Reality- "17th..oh crap!"
Guess who?
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#16 in the off season my team pursued ventures outside of bodybuilding
reality: my mom made me look for a job to continue living in her basement
#17 this year I trained for "es stet iks" and "si ma tree"
reality: I can't afford to buy higher levels of gear
#18 this year we decided to reach out to our fan and pursue organonmic marketing
reality: 240 gave me 50% off of his $300 website, and I gave him some "pictures" and let him "touch" for the rest
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Hell. I was just gonna throw out there Flex Wheeler and his ninja story. HIIIIIIIII-YA! ;D
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" I'm in the best shape of my life " contest day " Oh I peaked on Friday and I've been fighting a case of the Flu. "
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#18 this year we decided to reach out to our fan and pursue organonmic marketing reality: 240 gave me 50% off of his $300 website, and I gave him some "pictures" and let him "touch" for the rest
sorry, that one only works for the fitness & figure competitors.
But brilliant, nonetheless!!
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
You forgot the now classic "peanut gallery" reference. We are not losers, we are wimpy computer geeks from the peanut gallery that are bad for the sport.*
* - that is unless they buy the magazines that all pro's would kill to be in, buy tickets to the shows we compete in, buy our shitty supplements that we dont really take but we dont mind lying about for a couple of bucks, visit our websites and pay for overpriced t-shirts or pay ridiculous fees for autographs. those guys aren't wimpy, they are cool because they worship us.
If you dont believe then ask chick or his #1 fan Vince, they will clear this issue up for you.
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great post ed keep them coming
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I find it amusing that some of the goofs on this site who support bodybuilding by the very fact they are here turn around and bitch about it. What kind of person does that make you?
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Good stuff. Funniest thing I've read in a while.
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As long as I keep ordering my protein from AtLarge, why do you care?
Self-haters.
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Drugs are 98-99%.
See Levrone, Flex, Arnold, Haney, etc... without drugs : there are totally normal.
name one human being that is jacked without training or dieting
please tell me you aren't one of those naive gullible morons that believes guys like Herschel Walker who claim they hardly train or diet ::)
E
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name one human being that is jacked without training or dieting
please tell me you aren't one of those naive gullible morons that believes guys like Herschel Walker who claim they hardly train or diet ::)
E
defined jacked andrea the giant was jacked and could move a fucking house but i don't think thats what you have in mind
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As long as I keep ordering my protein from AtLarge, why do you care?
Oh, and you can say anything you want. :)
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but i don't think thats what you have in mind
nope
jacked is noticably muscular while fully clothed with low bodyfat
E
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Awesome use of free time Ed! Yeah, you rock! Sign your name in another funny way, that's always hysterical.
How's the *Shut the f**k up and Train* thing working out for you chubby?
Awesome Ed..laughed my ass off :)
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Lie - "I was ON and ready to do battle, everyone who saw me said I was in the top three."
Reality - Only if there were only three in the show and one of them was Ken Jones.
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
Meltdown?
Would a happy, secure person feel the need to write this?
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Classic post! ;D
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Meltdown?
Would a happy, secure person feel the need to write this?
IMO, a happy,. secure person could look at the sport and have a laugh at the many lies, deceptions, and image fonts that go on. And yes, still be a fan.
The unhappy/insecure person would be the one who propagates these lies by blindly believing everything a pro says, no matter how unreasonable or straight unbelievable.
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Drugs are 98-99%.
See Levrone, Flex, Arnold, Haney, etc... without drugs : there are totally normal.
From my experience.That is wrong.The most important thing is genetic and mentality.I saw many guys using gears like pros and smaller than me...what a shame!And some are real monster without drug.I dont think Ronnie get under 220pounds if he does without gears.THE DUDE HAS GENETIC.
And when those guys(Levrone,flex...etc) quit using staffs,they dont eat and train also.But,even not trainning and eating,they are way musculer than normal guys. Beside,I saw several genetic monster who dont lift and look like lifting. I heard that Vic Richard was that case also.
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From my experience.That is wrong.The most important thing is genetic and mentality.I saw many guys using gears like pros and smaller than me...what a shame!And some are real monster without drug.I dont think Ronnie get under 220pounds if he does without gears.THE DUDE HAS GENETIC.
epic broken English.
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240 or bust =special ed
busted, you got me. tell em what he's won, johnny...
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your "made up" wife
2 for 2, champ!
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epic broken English.
Whats up american patriot who believe that English is the only language spoken on earth?
If you come to Japanese and spanish bbs with your broken Japanese and Spanish,I dont treat you like this.
See the world kid.
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epic broken English.
epic ignorance of hispanic major minority in the US.
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pro: "See i have fans in the Military as well :) "
reality: I failed the height requirement to join up, so I joined the boy scouts in Australia
"good day mate"
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And the saga continues..... ;D
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#15 The bank made a mistake
LOL
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IMO, a happy,. secure person could look at the sport and have a laugh at the many lies, deceptions, and image fonts that go on. And yes, still be a fan.
The unhappy/insecure person would be the one who propagates these lies by blindly believing everything a pro says, no matter how unreasonable or straight unbelievable.
Meltdown?
Would a happy, secure person write this? lol
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
#12
Lie: "I'm Clean"
Reality: HGH, IGF1, Insilin, Testosterone, A50's, d-bol, etc,etc,etc.
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I love how the pros avoid posting in a thread like this
PROS step up and post something....
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Lie #19 (?) : "Sukr-Bayt is the most awesome mass-building supplement I've ever used!"
Reality: Sukr-Bayt said they'd pay me $1,000 to smile while holding up a can of their useless crap. I'm still waiting for the check.
Lie #20 : "I owe my recent improvements to Chad's nutritional guidance."
Reality: Chad has better drug connections than that guy at the gym I was buying from.
Lie #21 : "When I hit the gym, I have the mindset of a warrior."
Reality: I'm narcissistic enough to believe that medium-weight squats with spotters are an act of physical courage.
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Lie # 22 NitroglicerineTech helped me add 2 inches of muscle to my arm.
Reality: Those spot injections seem to be doing the trick
Lie # 23 I give myself a wedgie onstage to show off my gluteal striations
Reality: I love the feeling of having something rubbing my anus.
Lie # 24 I often meet and greet fans to promote the sport.
Reality: Squeezing in an extra gay4pay muscle worship session will help me pay for my nubain habbit.
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Lie #25: "by Ronnie Coleman"
Reality: "by a Flex magazine staff member who can actually write"
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THEY ALL CLAIMS THEY CAN LIFT A TON
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Lie # 26: I nearly died for you bitches
Reality: I nearly died because of teh Chad
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#25 Craid and Kelly after party special rocked the house!
I now have a hamster stuck in my ass but am happy that I finally lost my verginity to an animal.
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Lie #27 : "100% Not Guilty"
Reality : I'm as innocent as the other guy who said that.
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Lie #25: "by Ronnie Coleman"
Reality: "by a Flex magazine staff member who can actually write"
LMAO ;D
Actual article written by Ronnie: "First I lifts me summada big ass dumbells fo' a few reps... den i sez "yeah buddy" fo a few mo' reps... mebbe I do some cardio in dat hot-ass room 'bout a hunnad degrees in da shade fo' a while... an dass basically it. Heavy ass weight all da time an if you don' get big frum dat, you ain't gonna get big baby."
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LMAO ;D
Actual article written by Ronnie: "First I lifts me summada big ass dumbells fo' a few reps... den i sez "yeah buddy" fo a few mo' reps... mebbe I do some cardio in dat hot-ass room 'bout a hunnad degrees in da shade fo' a while... an dass basically it. Heavy ass weight all da time an if you don' get big frum dat, you ain't gonna get big baby."
lol that is great advice! i like that better than the ghost written atiqlses! ;D
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Lie #28:
False: My lawyer says I have an ironclad case against that internet kid who insulted me two years ago. He's going to jail. Not that I care what internet kids think, anyway.
Reality: I did call a law office, because I truly madly deeply care what internet strangers think. A secretary said that for a $1500 retainer, a file can be opened to explore possibilities...
And I don't have $1500.
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Lie #28:
False: My lawyer says I have an ironclad case against that internet kid who insulted me two years ago. He's going to jail. Not that I care what internet kids think, anyway.
Reality: I did call a law office, because I truly madly deeply care what internet strangers think. A secretary said that for a $1500 retainer, a file can be opened to explore possibilities...
And I don't have $1500.
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Lie # 29 A woman can pump a gram of test a week into her system, grow a clitasaurus and still be considered feminine looking.
Reality: Most truckers look more feminine.
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i love this thread!
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From my experience.That is wrong.The most important thing is genetic and mentality.I saw many guys using gears like pros and smaller than me...what a shame!And some are real monster without drug.I dont think Ronnie get under 220pounds if he does without gears.THE DUDE HAS GENETIC.
And when those guys(Levrone,flex...etc) quit using staffs,they dont eat and train also.But,even not trainning and eating,they are way musculer than normal guys. Beside,I saw several genetic monster who dont lift and look like lifting. I heard that Vic Richard was that case also.
no no no you need to re evaluate your brain ;) im in good mood and it is time for another gh15 class so take pen and paper
first of all that ed dude,,,i start liking him :D very funny posts
and now to todays class try to follow it is easy class.
1) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK CREATINE
2) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK GLUTAMINE UNLESS IT WAS PART OF PROTIEN POWDER
3) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK CYTOGAINER MUSCLEMILK BECAUSE ITS JUNK
4) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK A PROTIEN POWDER ALTHOUGH I DO SUPPORT IT AS A SUPP FOR EXTRA CALORIES AND PROTIEN
5) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK ANY LEGAL SUPP OUT THERE BESIDE BCAA. ANY SUPP ON THE MARKET BESIDE BCAA IS GARBAGE AND SOME WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP NICE TITS TOO!
6) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I ATE CLEAN MAJORITY OF THE TIME
7) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TRAINED OVER 60-75 MIN A SESSION
8) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT A BODY BUILDING MAGAZINE FOR GOD FUCKIN SAKE NOT EVEN IF IM ON THE FUCKIN COVER. IT IS JUNK!!
9) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD AMAZING GENETICS ALTHOUGH PEOPLE TELL ME I HAVE IT ALL THE TIME,,,,I WAS SMALL 150 POUND KID THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BUILT THEN I GOT TO BE 180LB POUND KINDA BUILT AND ONLY WHEN HORMONES GOT IN THE MAGIC HAPPENED (OFCOURSE TRAINING WAS SERIOUS)
10) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I RAN HOME AND ATE EXACTLY 45 OR 1 HOUR AND 20 MIN POST TRAINING,,,,YA I DRINK SOME PROTIEN AND EAT AROUND 1 AND A HALF TO 2 HOURS LATER BUT IT IS FAR FROM RELEGIOUSLY FOLLOWED TYPE OF THING
11) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WORKED WITH FREE BARBELL TO DO SQUATS,,,I MAINLY DO IT WITH SMITH MACHINE AND MY LEGS ARE BIGGER THAN 90% OF POPULATION
12) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ANY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS WAS ABLE TO HOLD OVER 210LB OF QUALITY MUSCLE WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES (IM TALKIN UNDER 5'10 GUYS HERE FELLAS)
13) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE DAY GOING BY WITH OUT AT THE LEAST!! 20-30 EMAILS WITH ORDERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF SOCIETY (BODYBUILDERS, GYM JUNKIES, FITNESS GIRLS, COPS AND LE INDIVIDUALS, MARATHON RUNNERS,, WHO EVER YOU CAN IMAGINE ORDERED.
14) I CAN! REMEMBER THE LAST ORDER I HAD FROM A PRO CARD HOLDER THAT LIVES IN EUROPE AND THE ORDER WAS LIKE THIS: 300 AMPS OMNA, 100 AMPS TESTEX ELMU, 300 AMPS ORGANON YELLOW TOP DECA 5000 TABS BRIT. DISPENSARY ANABOL AND 1000 TABS SCHERING PROVIRON.
as you can see hormones has a lot to do with bodybuilding. it can not be stated as a percentage but it is a major part of a bodybuilder's life. MAJOR PART
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no no no you need to re evaluate your brain ;) im in good mood and it is time for another gh15 class so take pen and paper
first of all that ed dude,,,i start liking him :D very funny posts
and now to todays class try to follow it is easy class.
1) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK CREATINE
2) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK GLUTAMINE UNLESS IT WAS PART OF PROTIEN POWDER
3) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK CYTOGAINER MUSCLEMILK BECAUSE ITS JUNK
4) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK A PROTIEN POWDER ALTHOUGH I DO SUPPORT IT AS A SUPP FOR EXTRA CALORIES AND PROTIEN
5) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK ANY LEGAL SUPP OUT THERE BESIDE BCAA. ANY SUPP ON THE MARKET BESIDE BCAA IS GARBAGE AND SOME WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP NICE TITS TOO!
6) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I ATE CLEAN MAJORITY OF THE TIME
7) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TRAINED OVER 60-75 MIN A SESSION
8) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT A BODY BUILDING MAGAZINE FOR GOD FUCKIN SAKE NOT EVEN IF IM ON THE FUCKIN COVER. IT IS JUNK!!
9) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD AMAZING GENETICS ALTHOUGH PEOPLE TELL ME I HAVE IT ALL THE TIME,,,,I WAS SMALL 150 POUND KID THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BUILT THEN I GOT TO BE 180LB POUND KINDA BUILT AND ONLY WHEN HORMONES GOT IN THE MAGIC HAPPENED (OFCOURSE TRAINING WAS SERIOUS)
10) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I RAN HOME AND ATE EXACTLY 45 OR 1 HOUR AND 20 MIN POST TRAINING,,,,YA I DRINK SOME PROTIEN AND EAT AROUND 1 AND A HALF TO 2 HOURS LATER BUT IT IS FAR FROM RELEGIOUSLY FOLLOWED TYPE OF THING
11) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WORKED WITH FREE BARBELL TO DO SQUATS,,,I MAINLY DO IT WITH SMITH MACHINE AND MY LEGS ARE BIGGER THAN 90% OF POPULATION
12) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ANY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS WAS ABLE TO HOLD OVER 210LB OF QUALITY MUSCLE WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES (IM TALKIN UNDER 5'10 GUYS HERE FELLAS)
13) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE DAY GOING BY WITH OUT AT THE LEAST!! 20-30 EMAILS WITH ORDERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF SOCIETY (BODYBUILDERS, GYM JUNKIES, FITNESS GIRLS, COPS AND LE INDIVIDUALS, MARATHON RUNNERS,, WHO EVER YOU CAN IMAGINE ORDERED.
14) I CAN! REMEMBER THE LAST ORDER I HAD FROM A PRO CARD HOLDER THAT LIVES IN EUROPE AND THE ORDER WAS LIKE THIS: 300 AMPS OMNA, 100 AMPS TESTEX ELMU, 300 AMPS ORGANON YELLOW TOP DECA 5000 TABS BRIT. DISPENSARY ANABOL AND 1000 TABS SCHERING PROVIRON.
as you can see hormones has a lot to do with bodybuilding. it can not be stated as a percentage but it is a major part of a bodybuilder's life. MAJOR PART
Interesting I am seriously starting to doubt that my friends are naturals now.. they are both 5'10" and 200 pds and one looks like he could win a contest any day he wants to enter. hmmmmmmm... they are weaker than me though..
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Interesting I am seriously starting to doubt that my friends are naturals now.. they are both 5'10" and 200 pds and one looks like he could win a contest any day he wants to enter. hmmmmmmm... they are weaker than me though..
Most of us are weaker than you Alexxxxx. Mere mortals will never match your incredible feats of strength!
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Most of us are weaker than you Alexxxxx. Mere mortals will never match your incredible feats of strength!
Thank you little man for your honesty. ;D
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Lie: "I'm happily married"
Reality: "... to a male"
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Thank you little man for your honesty. ;D
Bwahaha. Ok, ya got me that time. That was funny.
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biggest lie ever. it wasn't the steroids,insulin,gh,diuretics,etc... that made my kidneys go snap,crackle,pop.
IT WAS ADVIL!!!!!!
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no no no you need to re evaluate your brain ;) im in good mood and it is time for another gh15 class so take pen and paper
first of all that ed dude,,,i start liking him :D very funny posts
and now to todays class try to follow it is easy class.
1) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK CREATINE
2) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK GLUTAMINE UNLESS IT WAS PART OF PROTIEN POWDER
3) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK CYTOGAINER MUSCLEMILK BECAUSE ITS JUNK
4) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK A PROTIEN POWDER ALTHOUGH I DO SUPPORT IT AS A SUPP FOR EXTRA CALORIES AND PROTIEN
5) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK ANY LEGAL SUPP OUT THERE BESIDE BCAA. ANY SUPP ON THE MARKET BESIDE BCAA IS GARBAGE AND SOME WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP NICE TITS TOO!
6) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I ATE CLEAN MAJORITY OF THE TIME
7) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TRAINED OVER 60-75 MIN A SESSION
8) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT A BODY BUILDING MAGAZINE FOR GOD FUCKIN SAKE NOT EVEN IF IM ON THE FUCKIN COVER. IT IS JUNK!!
9) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD AMAZING GENETICS ALTHOUGH PEOPLE TELL ME I HAVE IT ALL THE TIME,,,,I WAS SMALL 150 POUND KID THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BUILT THEN I GOT TO BE 180LB POUND KINDA BUILT AND ONLY WHEN HORMONES GOT IN THE MAGIC HAPPENED (OFCOURSE TRAINING WAS SERIOUS)
10) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I RAN HOME AND ATE EXACTLY 45 OR 1 HOUR AND 20 MIN POST TRAINING,,,,YA I DRINK SOME PROTIEN AND EAT AROUND 1 AND A HALF TO 2 HOURS LATER BUT IT IS FAR FROM RELEGIOUSLY FOLLOWED TYPE OF THING
11) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WORKED WITH FREE BARBELL TO DO SQUATS,,,I MAINLY DO IT WITH SMITH MACHINE AND MY LEGS ARE BIGGER THAN 90% OF POPULATION
12) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ANY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS WAS ABLE TO HOLD OVER 210LB OF QUALITY MUSCLE WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES (IM TALKIN UNDER 5'10 GUYS HERE FELLAS)
13) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE DAY GOING BY WITH OUT AT THE LEAST!! 20-30 EMAILS WITH ORDERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF SOCIETY (BODYBUILDERS, GYM JUNKIES, FITNESS GIRLS, COPS AND LE INDIVIDUALS, MARATHON RUNNERS,, WHO EVER YOU CAN IMAGINE ORDERED.
14) I CAN! REMEMBER THE LAST ORDER I HAD FROM A PRO CARD HOLDER THAT LIVES IN EUROPE AND THE ORDER WAS LIKE THIS: 300 AMPS OMNA, 100 AMPS TESTEX ELMU, 300 AMPS ORGANON YELLOW TOP DECA 5000 TABS BRIT. DISPENSARY ANABOL AND 1000 TABS SCHERING PROVIRON.
as you can see hormones has a lot to do with bodybuilding. it can not be stated as a percentage but it is a major part of a bodybuilder's life. MAJOR PART
so now I hear the truth . . . after wasting my paper route money on FLEX magazine these past couple of years. :(
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biggest lie ever. it wasn't the steroids,insulin,gh,diuretics,etc... that made my kidneys go snap,crackle,pop.
IT WAS ADVIL!!!!!!
ahahahahahaha!!! classic!!! Now that one made me get a good laugh! "...no, the 5 anadrol I took a day in the offseason running right into 20 anavar and 100mg/day of injectable winny taken orally had nothing to do with it..." "...it was the damn motrin that I took once a week on chest day cause my shoulders hurt..."!!! hahaha classic Tom Prince!!!
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flex wheelers lie of being jumped by ninjas has to be up there.lol
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Myth #114 - Any training movements you do are 75% less effective if the name of the movement isn't encapsulated by the words "Weider" and "Principle".
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no no no you need to re evaluate your brain ;) im in good mood and it is time for another gh15 class so take pen and paper
first of all that ed dude,,,i start liking him :D very funny posts
and now to todays class try to follow it is easy class.
1) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK CREATINE
2) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK GLUTAMINE UNLESS IT WAS PART OF PROTIEN POWDER
3) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK CYTOGAINER MUSCLEMILK BECAUSE ITS JUNK
4) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK A PROTIEN POWDER ALTHOUGH I DO SUPPORT IT AS A SUPP FOR EXTRA CALORIES AND PROTIEN
5) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK ANY LEGAL SUPP OUT THERE BESIDE BCAA. ANY SUPP ON THE MARKET BESIDE BCAA IS GARBAGE AND SOME WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP NICE TITS TOO!
6) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I ATE CLEAN MAJORITY OF THE TIME
7) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TRAINED OVER 60-75 MIN A SESSION
8) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT A BODY BUILDING MAGAZINE FOR GOD FUCKIN SAKE NOT EVEN IF IM ON THE FUCKIN COVER. IT IS JUNK!!
9) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD AMAZING GENETICS ALTHOUGH PEOPLE TELL ME I HAVE IT ALL THE TIME,,,,I WAS SMALL 150 POUND KID THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BUILT THEN I GOT TO BE 180LB POUND KINDA BUILT AND ONLY WHEN HORMONES GOT IN THE MAGIC HAPPENED (OFCOURSE TRAINING WAS SERIOUS)
10) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I RAN HOME AND ATE EXACTLY 45 OR 1 HOUR AND 20 MIN POST TRAINING,,,,YA I DRINK SOME PROTIEN AND EAT AROUND 1 AND A HALF TO 2 HOURS LATER BUT IT IS FAR FROM RELEGIOUSLY FOLLOWED TYPE OF THING
11) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WORKED WITH FREE BARBELL TO DO SQUATS,,,I MAINLY DO IT WITH SMITH MACHINE AND MY LEGS ARE BIGGER THAN 90% OF POPULATION
12) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ANY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS WAS ABLE TO HOLD OVER 210LB OF QUALITY MUSCLE WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES (IM TALKIN UNDER 5'10 GUYS HERE FELLAS)
13) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE DAY GOING BY WITH OUT AT THE LEAST!! 20-30 EMAILS WITH ORDERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF SOCIETY (BODYBUILDERS, GYM JUNKIES, FITNESS GIRLS, COPS AND LE INDIVIDUALS, MARATHON RUNNERS,, WHO EVER YOU CAN IMAGINE ORDERED.
14) I CAN! REMEMBER THE LAST ORDER I HAD FROM A PRO CARD HOLDER THAT LIVES IN EUROPE AND THE ORDER WAS LIKE THIS: 300 AMPS OMNA, 100 AMPS TESTEX ELMU, 300 AMPS ORGANON YELLOW TOP DECA 5000 TABS BRIT. DISPENSARY ANABOL AND 1000 TABS SCHERING PROVIRON.
as you can see hormones has a lot to do with bodybuilding. it can not be stated as a percentage but it is a major part of a bodybuilder's life. MAJOR PART
strength dont equal big muscles. drop the reps and increase the dose ;D best advice i've ever got
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Lie # 29 A woman can pump a gram of test a week into her system, grow a clitasaurus and still be considered feminine looking.
Reality: Most truckers look more feminine.
This post was approved by the Betty Pariso hormone research society:
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awesome "barely man-enough" pic ;D
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Is rob zirc married to a guy???.
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Bump for Sgt. D's endless stupidity.
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Bump for Sgt. D's endless stupidity.
Im in your head. :-*
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Im in your head. :-*
This was actually a good one ED. I have said for a while you used to be comical, but now it's played out. My amusement comes from your perplexed tone that comes out when people give you constructive criticism.
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
HAHAHAHA!
Classic shit!
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what about the "i shoulder press 405 for 20 reps" when infact 315 for 8 would be as good as you get?
or
the "my arms are near 22" in contest shape" when infact they look like you have surgically attached average joes calves onto you?
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BODYBUILDER LIE # 26
"My girlfriend's been eating a little too much lately and hasn't been training as hard so she's put on a few pounds..."
TRUTH:
This bitch is on a Meth and Cytomel rebound from hell...her metabolism is seriously fucked uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup!! Stick a pin in her, quick before she fucking explodes!
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Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
If drugs played even close to amount of a role on someone sucess in the sport there would be way many others doing well. I am not saying they don't play a part, but I bet if you took all the drugs out of the sport most(not all) the pros and top NPC guys would still be there.
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Lie#20: "I'm really a straight man who is married with 2 kids"
Reality: "I had sex with with Chris Cormier at an Olympia after-party along with two other guys"
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I am not saying they don't play a part, but I bet if you took all the drugs out of the sport most(not all) the pros and top NPC guys would still be there.
Yep. Tom Prince is just MASSIVE since stopping the gear. Same with Flex and Levrone and Dorian. ::) ::)
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Yep. Tom Prince is just MASSIVE since stopping the gear. Same with Flex and Levrone and Dorian. ::) ::)
They had health problems and now (apparently) do nothing but hang out.
If Flex or Prince still trained hard and ate well, they'd still look massive compared to the average american (just not their former self).
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They had health problems and now (apparently) do nothing but hang out.
If Flex or Prince still trained hard and ate well, they'd still look massive compared to the average american (just not their former self).
I am not sure I believe that.
Do you really believe they no longer train?
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I am not sure I believe that.
Do you really believe they no longer train?
I think TP hangs out at the gym and does his sets with half the weight of everyone else, tagging along at the start of workouts then skipping away.
I don't think Flex trains now.
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I think TP hangs out at the gym and does his sets with half the weight of everyone else, tagging along at the start of workouts then skipping away.
I don't think Flex trains now.
TP still trains a couple of times a week, and does what he can. Given his present state of health...it would be counter-productive to train any heavier than he does now. Staying in the best possible condition he can is his only goal in the gym these days.
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stayin alive is the most important thing
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TP still trains a couple of times a week, and does what he can. Given his present state of health...it would be counter-productive to train any heavier than he does now. Staying in the best possible condition he can is his only goal in the gym these days.
does he ever take an advil? ;D
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does he ever take an advil? ;D
Was that supposed to be funny?
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Was that supposed to be funny?
It depends on whether you buy the "I ruined my health with Advil" story.
Hope this helps.
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It depends on whether you buy the "I ruined my health with Advil" story.
Hope this helps.
Advil was ONE of many factors that led to Tom's early retitement from Pro BB....and It was a BIG factor. Anyone with any knowledge of anti-inflam meds will tell you that taken in high dosages, they will cause major problems.
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Advil was ONE of many factors that led to Tom's early retitement from Pro BB....and It was a BIG factor. Anyone with any knowledge of anti-inflam meds will tell you that taken in high dosages, they will cause major problems.
Major problems like inhibiting protein synthesis by a large degree..
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Special Ed,
On your youtube it says you are 37?
WTF.
You look 27. If that. >:(
stop hitting on him he's married
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Lie: "I have no knowledge of any Jaguar or barbecued fitness model."
Reality: "Fuck!"
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Lie: "I have no knowledge of any Jaguar or barbecued fitness model."
Reality: "Fuck!"
LOL I thought something was missing.
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Advil was ONE of many factors that led to Tom's early retitement from Pro BB....and It was a BIG factor. Anyone with any knowledge of anti-inflam meds will tell you that taken in high dosages, they will cause major problems.
bob, this goes for 99.9% of all drugs
take too many tylenols and you could die..drink too much water and you could die
most adults know that abusing anything is a bad thing...are you saying that Tom has the intelligence of a little child?
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bob, this goes for 99.9% of all drugs
take too many tylenols and you could die..drink too much water and you could die
most adults know that abusing anything is a bad thing...are you saying that Tom has the intelligence of a little child?
No, just the opposite...because TP is extremely intelligent, he though he was smart enough to work around the possible consequences...that he was in control of his actions.
No one take 20 Advil a day because they have a wish to harm their health...they do it because it solves a problem, and allows them to continue on with whatever they wish to do...
Smokers, drinkers, dip, rec drugs, overeaters, etc....are all things that MILLIONS of adults abuse on a daily basis, yet still do it.
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No, just the opposite...because TP is extremely intelligent, he though he was smart enough to work around the possible consequences...that he was in control of his actions.
No one take 20 Advil a day because they have a wish to harm their health...they do it because it solves a problem, and allows them to continue on with whatever they wish to do...
Smokers, drinkers, dip, rec drugs, overeaters, etc....are all things that MILLIONS of adults abuse on a daily basis, yet still do it.
extremely intelligent ::)
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extremely intelligent ::)
damn, who is that girl in the pic? where can I see more of her
never mind Bob..one day he will have to meet Lee in a cage fight
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extremely intelligent ::)
maybe Chick meant "extremely intelligent" for a bodybuilder?
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Lie: "... but once my invisibility shield activated, I used death stars and a Shaolin flying guillotine to soundly defeat said ninjas."
Reality: "I was abducted by aliens."
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what about the lie...............when they claim they're not gay..............huh
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what about the lie...............when they claim they're not gay..............huh
Reality: It's not gay if you pretend you're a woman.
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Advil was ONE of many factors that led to Tom's early retitement from Pro BB....and It was a BIG factor. Anyone with any knowledge of anti-inflam meds will tell you that taken in high dosages, they will cause major problems.
Bob.... even you have to appreciate how utterly ridiculous it sounded to the average person familiar with IFBB pro drug regimens when Tom blamed his problems on an over-the-counter pain reliever, conveniently ignoring all the other shit he was on.
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Bob.... even you have to appreciate how utterly ridiculous it sounded to the average person familiar with IFBB pro drug regimens when Tom blamed his problems on an over-the-counter pain reliever, conveniently ignoring all the other shit he was on.
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Tom's problems weren't from AAS...ironically, it was everything BUT.....
Kidney failure is from use of NSAIDS, duiretics, pain killers, etc...not steroids/ GH.
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bob, this goes for 99.9% of all drugs
take too many tylenols and you could die..drink too much water and you could die
most adults know that abusing anything is a bad thing...are you saying that Tom has the intelligence of a little child?
i hope none of your friends/family have to go through what TP has...if they do, please post up their details so we can tell you how stupid they are
idiot
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Humor Bump
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I dont train *insert bodypart* because its already big, only contest time. ::)
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Lie #11 - "I'll win the Olympia"
Reality- "17th..oh crap!"
Guess who?
hahha good stuff :D
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No, just the opposite...because TP is extremely intelligent, he though he was smart enough to work around the possible consequences...that he was in control of his actions.
No one take 20 Advil a day because they have a wish to harm their health...they do it because it solves a problem, and allows them to continue on with whatever they wish to do...
Smokers, drinkers, dip, rec drugs, overeaters, etc....are all things that MILLIONS of adults abuse on a daily basis, yet still do it.
oh for fucks sake ::)
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i hope none of your friends/family have to go through what TP has...if they do, please post up their details so we can tell you how stupid they are
idiot
Fuck sake who gives a shit he did it to himself
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No, just the opposite...because TP is extremely intelligent, ...
No one take 20 Advil a day because they have a wish to harm their health...they do it because it solves a problem, and allows them to continue on with whatever they wish to do...
How intelligent can ANYONE be if they are taking 20 Advil a day??? Does not seem too bright to me.
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How intelligent can ANYONE be if they are taking 20 Advil a day??? Does not seem too bright to me.
he was just too god damn intelligent for his own good :D
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I´m one of teh ninja who jumped Flex.
Dude came out letting his fists fly, even though we had dem nunchaks Ken would just do dem Karatay spinning back kicks and we would just go down, but when he K.O me with a perfect deadly straight punch to teh back of my head he did break his hand and we kinda won since he did not do the Olympia. Next time we attack him in daylight we wont be wearing black, we thought we would pass as a brother but did´nt, so it was counterproductive. Hope this helps. Too to too ninja go and there is no Mr O.
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I´m one of teh ninja who jumped Flex.
Dude came out letting his fists fly, even though we had dem nunchaks Ken would just do dem Karatay spinning back kicks and we would just go down, but when he K.O me with a perfect deadly straight punch to teh back of my head he did break his hand and we kinda won since he did not do the Olympia. Next time we attack him in daylight we wont be wearing black, we thought we would pass as a brother but did´nt, so it was counterproductive. Hope this helps. Too to too ninja go and there is no Mr O.
sushi meltdown.
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How intelligent can ANYONE be if they are taking 20 Advil a day??? Does not seem too bright to me.
It's a matter of having a drug problem. It's not logical, but an addiction to roids, etc. The Advil masked the pain.
You can be intelligent and do drugs or have a drug problem.
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It's a matter of having a drug problem. It's not logical, but an addiction to roids, etc. The Advil masked the pain.
You can be intelligent and do drugs or have a drug problem.
Where the hell have you been, man?
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Where the hell have you been, man?
he was on a cycle. ::) ::)
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From my experience.That is wrong.The most important thing is genetic and mentality.I saw many guys using gears like pros and smaller than me...what a shame!And some are real monster without drug.I dont think Ronnie get under 220pounds if he does without gears.THE DUDE HAS GENETIC.
And when those guys(Levrone,flex...etc) quit using staffs,they dont eat and train also.But,even not trainning and eating,they are way musculer than normal guys. Beside,I saw several genetic monster who dont lift and look like lifting. I heard that Vic Richard was that case also.
Then, there's the minor fact that Haney, Wheeler, Levrone, and Schwarzenegger are all RETIRED, with other interests outside bodybuilding (i.e. acting, governing a state, running a camp to mentor young boys, etc).
Usually when guys retire, they tend to be not as big or strong as they were in their prime (that goes for all athletic endeavors).
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'It's not us who use the drugs...it's the lower level guys. We take virtually nothing..in fact, I sometimes forget to inject my AAS, GH, Insulin for months at time it's so irrelevant to busting my ass in the gym and eating right'
'It's not gay for me to pose for these pictures with my ankles round my ears, pulling my buttcheeks open for 'Muscle Hunkz' magazine....it must mean that you are gay to see it that way'
'It is impossible for me to get below 250'
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no no no you need to re evaluate your brain ;) im in good mood and it is time for another gh15 class so take pen and paper
first of all that ed dude,,,i start liking him :D very funny posts
and now to todays class try to follow it is easy class.
1) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK CREATINE
2) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK GLUTAMINE UNLESS IT WAS PART OF PROTIEN POWDER
3) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK CYTOGAINER MUSCLEMILK BECAUSE ITS JUNK
4) I CAN HARDLY REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I DRANK A PROTIEN POWDER ALTHOUGH I DO SUPPORT IT AS A SUPP FOR EXTRA CALORIES AND PROTIEN
5) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TOOK ANY LEGAL SUPP OUT THERE BESIDE BCAA. ANY SUPP ON THE MARKET BESIDE BCAA IS GARBAGE AND SOME WILL HELP YOU DEVELOP NICE TITS TOO!
6) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I ATE CLEAN MAJORITY OF THE TIME
7) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I TRAINED OVER 60-75 MIN A SESSION
8) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I BOUGHT A BODY BUILDING MAGAZINE FOR GOD FUCKIN SAKE NOT EVEN IF IM ON THE FUCKIN COVER. IT IS JUNK!!
9) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I HAD AMAZING GENETICS ALTHOUGH PEOPLE TELL ME I HAVE IT ALL THE TIME,,,,I WAS SMALL 150 POUND KID THAT WAS SOMEWHAT BUILT THEN I GOT TO BE 180LB POUND KINDA BUILT AND ONLY WHEN HORMONES GOT IN THE MAGIC HAPPENED (OFCOURSE TRAINING WAS SERIOUS)
10) I CANT REMEMBER LAST TIME I RAN HOME AND ATE EXACTLY 45 OR 1 HOUR AND 20 MIN POST TRAINING,,,,YA I DRINK SOME PROTIEN AND EAT AROUND 1 AND A HALF TO 2 HOURS LATER BUT IT IS FAR FROM RELEGIOUSLY FOLLOWED TYPE OF THING
11) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME I WORKED WITH FREE BARBELL TO DO SQUATS,,,I MAINLY DO IT WITH SMITH MACHINE AND MY LEGS ARE BIGGER THAN 90% OF POPULATION
12) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME ANY ONE OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS WAS ABLE TO HOLD OVER 210LB OF QUALITY MUSCLE WITH OUT THE USE OF HORMONES (IM TALKIN UNDER 5'10 GUYS HERE FELLAS)
13) I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE DAY GOING BY WITH OUT AT THE LEAST!! 20-30 EMAILS WITH ORDERS FROM ALL CORNERS OF SOCIETY (BODYBUILDERS, GYM JUNKIES, FITNESS GIRLS, COPS AND LE INDIVIDUALS, MARATHON RUNNERS,, WHO EVER YOU CAN IMAGINE ORDERED.
14) I CAN! REMEMBER THE LAST ORDER I HAD FROM A PRO CARD HOLDER THAT LIVES IN EUROPE AND THE ORDER WAS LIKE THIS: 300 AMPS OMNA, 100 AMPS TESTEX ELMU, 300 AMPS ORGANON YELLOW TOP DECA 5000 TABS BRIT. DISPENSARY ANABOL AND 1000 TABS SCHERING PROVIRON.
as you can see hormones has a lot to do with bodybuilding. it can not be stated as a percentage but it is a major part of a bodybuilder's life. MAJOR PART
i thought you didn't deal steroids gh15???
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'It's not us who use the drugs...it's the lower level guys. We take virtually nothing..in fact, I sometimes forget to inject my AAS, GH, Insulin for months at time it's so irrelevant to busting my ass in the gym and eating right'
'It's not gay for me to pose for these pictures with my ankles round my ears, pulling my buttcheeks open for 'Muscle Hunkz' magazine....it must mean that you are gay to see it that way'
'It is impossible for me to get below 250'
LMAO, straight out of FLEX magazine!!
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TOP TEN LIST
Lie#1: Multi-million dollar endorsement deals.
Reality: $50,000 a year before taxes and loans from girlfriends plus additional $20,000 in gay-for-pay work.
Lie #2. "Near-Misses" for major movie roles.
Reality: "Hollywood Agent" won't even return your calls.
Lie#3: Huge retirement accounts and early retirement.
Reality: Penniless and looking to make a "comeback".
Lie #4. Owning MTV-Crib-like homes.
Reality: Renting IKEA-furnished apartments "near the beach".
Lie#5: Spanking new Hummers and Mercedes.
Reality: Leased or loaned vehicles pimped out with $30,000 in stereo, speaker, and rim upgrades.
Lie#6: Hugely profitable "side businesses".
Reality: Selling drugs to friends, family, and gymrats.
Lie#7. Active social lives filled with charitable donations and volunteer work.
Reality: Every minute not spent in the gym is spent "reading what those getbig losers are saying about me"
Lie#8: Writing magazine articles revealing training, diet, and supplement "secrets"
Reality: Approving ghost-written articles, laughing, and finding new injection spots.
Lie#9: Claiming drugs are only 2-3% of the picture.
Reality: Drugs are 97-98% of the picture.
Lie#10: Claiming to be "friends" with writers, promoters, supplement company owners, judges, and fellow competitors.
Reality: Everyone in the industry is a "taker" or "user" looking only to fatten either their wallet or ego at your expense.
Special "WeedOutTheEyelinerQueen" Ed
My pick for Post of the Year right here. Good job, Ed.
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My pick for Post of the Year right here. Good job, Ed.
he posted that in 2006...
... when he was still funny.
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he posted that in 2006...
... when he was still funny.
::) ::) ::)
Lol
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Hot damn that Ed guy was a funny fucker back in the day. Heck, instead of tryin so damn hard to be witty, he should just bump some of his classics like "A Day in the Life of a Pro" to the top. Or maybe he was just funnier before we knew who he was...
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Hot damn that Ed guy was a funny fucker back in the day. Heck, instead of tryin so damn hard to be witty, he should just bump some of his classics like "A Day in the Life of a Pro" to the top. Or maybe he was just funnier before we knew who he was...
brutal attempt at being funny.
I bet you were crying out of luck because your thread got bumped by some noob.
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brutal attempt at being funny.
I bet you were crying out of luck because your thread got bumped by some noob.
Yeah, it was some douchebag noob who did it!
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bump for teh bring funny
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bump for a great and entertaining thread ... :D
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Gayer than 20 advil a day doing nothing but burning a hole in your stomach
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"...I only take 1g a week total of all injectables because it's legit american stuff not mexican"... ::) ::) ::)
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#20 "I use supplements". when in reality they wouldn't touch it with a 10-foot pole. Drugs only.
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Blimey! So many lies!
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Advil was ONE of many factors that led to Tom's early retitement from Pro BB....and It was a BIG factor. Anyone with any knowledge of anti-inflam meds will tell you that taken in high dosages, they will cause major problems.
Now that both you guys are retired, is there any chance of either of you posting what one of your cycles 'might have' looked like ?!!?... maybe PM at worst ?
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On the subject of specific lies--Paul Dimwit claiming that he landed a $4.2 million contract, John "Dirt Diggler" Romano claiming that he was 230 and shredded in his prime and wasn't really "Dirt Diggler", and Lee Priest saying that he never used any more than three steroids at a time.
I like to call them the "Axis Of Bullshit".
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Now that both you guys are retired, is there any chance of either of you posting what one of your cycles 'might have' looked like ?!!?... maybe PM at worst ?
Yes..there are two chances
slim and none
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brutal secrecy >:(
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Yes..there are two chances
slim and none
come on Bob. give these guys a chance. you know everyone here could look exactly like you if they could just hit the perfect dosages! ::)
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come on Bob. give these guys a chance. you know everyone here could look exactly like you if they could just hit the perfect dosages! ::)
LOL...exactly. It always amazes me why this info is of interest to anyone else...
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If Bob was to post the precise details of one of his cycles, the masses would come out and call him a lair anyway. What possible motivation would he have for revealing such details? There is no benefit for him to do so.
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If Bob was to post the precise details of one of his cycles, the masses would come out and call him a lair anyway. What possible motivation would he have for revealing such details? There is no benefit for him to do so.
Got that right.....
I think people would be pretty underwhelmed
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if they want to know so bad they should be willing to spend money for these personal details
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Fact 97#; I believe in instinctive training
Reality; Fuck the legs, Bitches go for chest and arms
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Yes..there are two chances
slim and none
Eric Fromm posted TP's cycles years ago (obviously when he was still alive)
Didn't say who exactly it was but it was obvious who he was referring to
Not saying it was accurate, not saying it was true, but Fromm was being brutely honest on the boards in those days (think it was UG)
Levrone also posted his cycle on UG way way back in 1999 in a Q&A forum. But it was too low for anyone here to believe it although it seemed true. I think some can remember that thread.
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I have irrefutable scientific evidence that drugs are exactly 83.972054334% of the picture!
I second that...91.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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If you cant win a local show Naturaly, you dont have the genetics for the big boys
Yeah i stole that from Bob...But i kind of think its true
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i don't miss special ed one bit.
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If you cant win a local show Naturaly, you dont have the genetics for the big boys
Yeah i stole that from Bob...But i kind of think its true
100 % true
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LOL...exactly. It always amazes me why this info is of interest to anyone else...
Just because you are embarassed at the amount of junk you put in your body
you shouldn't put people down who are interested. Steroids=bodybuilding=your livelyhood, so
calm down there Bob.
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Lie: Even though I'm retired, I still keep in touch with my fans and stay involved in the industry by going to the shows and expos.
Reality: I try and make $400 over the course of 2 days by setting up a stall and selling my old pics to whoever is lame enough to pay $20 for them.
Lie: This time I'm gonna bring it and rock the house.
Reality: I've emailed all my friends and cousins to attend the show, so I can use their booing at my eventual 17th place to show that the fans disagreed with the judges' faulty decision.
Lie: I retired from competing to focus on my family and movie career.
Reality: My girlfriend threatened to leave me if I didn't stop wasting money on juice and start casting for doorman / bouncer roles in straight-to-DVD movies.
Lie: Gakic tastes great and I always carry a tub with me in my gym bag so I can take it post-workout.
Reality: Got it free and had to try it once for the ad - now it just sits in my bag. The last product tasted worse.
Lie: I used to shoulder press 635 lb for reps when I was 15
Reality: Good luck trying to discredit me on a claim that you cannot disprove
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lol
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Chick has that typical guido east coast build with a head like a fucking cinderblock. Give him some drugs, half ass it in the gym, and his genetics = Bob Chick professional bodybuilder. No secrets there. Chick reminds me A LOT of Phil Hernon. Both were big boys as teenagers. Now one is a fat ass supplement charlatan selling protein powders to cancer patients and the other is a spokeshole for the IFBB who wears tacky suits and perms his hair.
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another old one is
yes I did come in 15th but the overall crowd gave me the loudest applause
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as far as the supplements go the pros do use the protein they get but they sell all the other stuff
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as far as the supplements go the pros do use the protein they get but they sell all the other stuff
::) Do you honestly think pros "sell" their extra shit? Haha. Do you even think it's worth it to them to sell a bucket of protein powder? What are they going to do........post it on ebay? LMAO! Aren't you the same guy that was saying most pros ship their steroids through the mail so they can have it ready at their shows? You are definitely in the know tdizzle.
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Chick has that typical guido east coast build with a head like a fucking cinderblock. Give him some drugs, half ass it in the gym, and his genetics = Bob Chick professional bodybuilder. No secrets there. Chick reminds me A LOT of Phil Hernon. Both were big boys as teenagers. Now one is a fat ass supplement charlatan selling protein powders to cancer patients and the other is a spokeshole for the IFBB who wears tacky suits and perms his hair.
What kind of "typical east coast guido build" would that be, exactly?
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What kind of "typical east coast guido build" would that be, exactly?
Naturally big and muscular.
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What kind of "typical east coast guido build" would that be, exactly?
symetrical and huge?
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Naturally big and muscular.
And whats the cinderblock coment all about?
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And whats the cinderblock coment all about?
You've got a head like a cinderblock. Aka Jay Cutler and many other pros. Lots of naturally big guys have these type of features. I'm sure you've probably have always had big wrists and large strong hands. It's genetics. Don't get so defensive :) Never said you were ugly, just naturally beefy.
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I bet if you showed us pictures from when you were 18 you were probably bigger than most kids your age.
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http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.phillipheath.com/images/philvideo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.phillipheath.com/news.html&usg=__qqSrT1ecmQ46ERZMcFmIwpfwv4w=&h=216&w=325&sz=15&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=jriCPPDLrStQZM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=118&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBob%2BChic%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1
Scroll down to the image of you and Phil Heath. Like I said head like a fucking cinderblock. Like a pitbull! Crush a 2x4 over it and it woudn't phase you :) LOL. Nothing to be ashamed of Chick.
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Yeah, I was...because I had been in the gym for 6 years by the time I was 18. Not sure where you get your info from...but you're about as off as it gets
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I bet if you showed us pictures from when you were 18 you were probably bigger than most kids your age.
Here's me at 17:
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Bob Chicks success in gaining muscular mass in the weight room didn't really translate to much success on the football field..... on the high school varsity level, at least.
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Here's me at 17:
Haha and let me guess you were "natural" in that pic as well huh? Steroids were so rampant in the 80's it was insane. You started training at 12? LMAO! What's next Chick you're going to tell me your mom fed you protein powder instead of baby formula or breast milk that's why you were the size you were at 17? LMAO! Do your fans and customers actually buy into that bs?
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Haha and let me guess you were "natural" in that pic as well huh? Steroids were so rampant in the 80's it was insane. You started training at 12? LMAO! What's next Chick you're going to tell me your mom fed you protein powder instead of baby formula or breast milk that's why you were the size you were at 17? LMAO! Do your fans and customers actually buy into that bs?
Yeah, I was natural in that pic....didn't diet or take any supplements either. Never got on the gear until I was 21. I routinely competed in Natural shows and was tested at most of them...also competed natural in the 1990 NPC Nationals which was drug tested and placed 5th in the light heavies.
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Yeah, I was natural in that pic....didn't diet or take any supplements either. Never got on the gear until I was 21. I routinely competed in Natural shows and was tested at most of them...also competed natural in the 1990 NPC Nationals which was drug tested and placed 5th in the light heavies.
Only you know the truth. But I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone with your build at 17 in the 80's never used steroids until he turned 21. And it's common knowledge for most people to make their biggest and most phenomenal gains their first cycle. So let's say you blew up on your first cycle, gained a pretty good amount of muscle, came off and then continued to bodybuild. Do you still consider yourself natural? I mean if you came off the drugs now and entered a natural show would you consider yourself a natural? I mean I guess you're not claiming to be a lifetime natural but I just find the entire premise of natural bodybuilding silly. In my opinion once you do the drugs you're never considered natural. Not that I care because even most guys that take drugs will never look like you.
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Haha and let me guess you were "natural" in that pic as well huh? Steroids were so rampant in the 80's it was insane. You started training at 12? LMAO! What's next Chick you're going to tell me your mom fed you protein powder instead of baby formula or breast milk that's why you were the size you were at 17? LMAO! Do your fans and customers actually buy into that bs?
He was about as natural as "little hercules"
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He was about as natural as "little hercules"
I was a division I athlete in college, hung out with all the jocks in college and high school and even had a few bodybuilder friends. Chick blew them all away with his quad development in that pic. Hell tons of athletes in their teens in the 80's when steroids were rampant had physiques like Chick's. It was pretty normal. I don't see ANY 17 year olds nowadays with that type of quad development, especially without dieting. LOL. I tend to think Chick is more full of shit than anyone. But I think he's had to lie so much in his life and jobs in bodybuilding he's just used to it. It's second nature.
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Only you know the truth. But I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone with your build at 17 in the 80's never used steroids until he turned 21. And it's common knowledge for most people to make their biggest and most phenomenal gains their first cycle. So let's say you blew up on your first cycle, gained a pretty good amount of muscle, came off and then continued to bodybuild. Do you still consider yourself natural? I mean if you came off the drugs now and entered a natural show would you consider yourself a natural? I mean I guess you're not claiming to be a lifetime natural but I just find the entire premise of natural bodybuilding silly. In my opinion once you do the drugs you're never considered natural. Not that I care because even most guys that take drugs will never look like you.
i completely believe that Bob was natural till his 20's. yes, there were alot of teen sensations at the time that were heavily drugged, but where are they now? completely burnt out. Bob was still a competitive IFBB pro into his 40's. that suggests smart and intermittant drug use. had he have been on continuously since his teens, his body would have long since attenuated to there effect. there is know way he would have looked so impressive at 40 had it been completely based on drug use. he doesn't deny using drugs, so why would he lie about when he started?
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I was a division I athlete in college, hung out with all the jocks in college and high school and even had a few bodybuilder friends. Chick blew them all away with his quad development in that pic. Hell tons of athletes in their teens in the 80's when steroids were rampant had physiques like Chick's. It was pretty normal. I don't see ANY 17 year olds nowadays with that type of quad development, especially without dieting. LOL. I tend to think Chick is more full of shit than anyone. But I think he's had to lie so much in his life and jobs in bodybuilding he's just used to it. It's second nature.
you answered your own concern. there are more teens using steroids now than ever, yet none have Bob's quad development. the reason is work ethic. everyone trained so much harder back then. now it is a bunch of lazy kids trying to find the perfect cycle. i've actually had guys ask me what drug to take for outer thigh thickness, lol. i don't know Bob, but would bet he spent more time squatting by 17 than most guys nowadays will do their whole careers. drugs have always been effective, but in the 80's they were part of a formula, now they are a replacement for hard work and good eating.
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Only you know the truth. But I find it incredibly hard to believe that someone with your build at 17 in the 80's never used steroids until he turned 21. And it's common knowledge for most people to make their biggest and most phenomenal gains their first cycle. So let's say you blew up on your first cycle, gained a pretty good amount of muscle, came off and then continued to bodybuild. Do you still consider yourself natural? I mean if you came off the drugs now and entered a natural show would you consider yourself a natural? I mean I guess you're not claiming to be a lifetime natural but I just find the entire premise of natural bodybuilding silly. In my opinion once you do the drugs you're never considered natural. Not that I care because even most guys that take drugs will never look like you.
LOL...you can believe what you want, I have no reason to lie about it...And I did make some great gains on my first cycle, it was for the 1987 Jr, Nationals (which I won) You can easily see from my pics from 13-20 the steady progress I made from year to year...I knew about steroids, knew the older guys in the gym used them, read about them in the magazines....but vowed to train natural through my teens to build a good base (as I was given the right advices)...besides that, I was beating all the kids who used them anyways...
here's me at 15
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LOL...you can believe what you want, I have no reason to lie about it...And I did make some great gains on my first cycle, it was for the 1987 Jr, Nationals (which I won) You can easily see from my pics from 13-20 the steady progress I made from year to year...I knew about steroids, knew the older guys in the gym used them, read about them in the magazines....but vowed to train natural through my teens to build a good base (as I was given the right advices)...besides that, I was beating all the kids who used them anyways...
here's me at 15
So what was the good advice you received that somehow everyone other person during that time didnt' seem to receive? What secret knowledge besides steroids did you have chick that allowed you to beat all the kids that were "using them anyways". I mean you're starting to sound like Arnold who was well into using steroids before he was ever 18 years old.
And why would you lie? Maybe because your ENTIRE way living for the last 30+ years has revolved around bodybuilding, nutrition, and supplements. The man that employs you has lied his entire life about steroids and bodybuilding. Joe Weider doesn't have an honest, ethical bone in his decrepid old body. From the early days when he fucked over Dan Lurie to now. He's a fraud. Everyone knows that drugs and genetics are responsible for building muscle and not some super supplement that's going to turn you into a Ronnie Coleman if you use it overnight. THAT's why YOU GUYS LIE! If it wasn't for drugs bodybuilding wouldn't be the circus it is. Come on dude! You're insulting. You think all of us are 15 year old teenagers just waiting to blow our wad over pictures of Jay Cutler and willing to spend all our hard earned grass cutting money on supplements? You're full of shit and so is your industry! Built up on decades of lies and deceit. So to answer your question you and everyone else involved in your shady industry has EVERY reason to lie. We've been over this before and you spew the same tired old line. Why would I lie? Haha to this day Serge Nubret lies through his teeth. Why would he lie? To keep the money machine going that's why! Why does anyone lie.
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So what was the good advice you received that somehow everyone other person during that time didnt' seem to receive? What secret knowledge besides steroids did you have chick that allowed you to beat all the kids that were "using them anyways". I mean you're starting to sound like Arnold who was well into using steroids before he was ever 18 years old.
And why would you lie? Maybe because your ENTIRE way living for the last 30+ years has revolved around bodybuilding, nutrition, and supplements. The man that employs you has lied his entire life about steroids and bodybuilding. Joe Weider doesn't have an honest, ethical bone in his decrepid old body. From the early days when he fucked over Dan Lurie to now. He's a fraud. Everyone knows that drugs and genetics are responsible for building muscle and not some super supplement that's going to turn you into a Ronnie Coleman if you use it overnight. THAT's why YOU GUYS LIE! If it wasn't for drugs bodybuilding wouldn't be the circus it is. Come on dude! You're insulting. You think all of us are 15 year old teenagers just waiting to blow our wad over pictures of Jay Cutler and willing to spend all our hard earned grass cutting money on supplements? You're full of shit and so is your industry! Built up on decades of lies and deceit. So to answer your question you and everyone else involved in your shady industry has EVERY reason to lie. We've been over this before and you spew the same tired old line. Why would I lie? Haha to this day Serge Nubret lies through his teeth. Why would he lie? To keep the money machine going that's why! Why does anyone lie.
The right advices was to stay natural and delvelop a good solid base...which I did.
No one says you'll be a superstar overnight by using supplements, but they sure help...especially the stuff they have today. We didn't have the good fortune of having anywhere near the supps they have today, or the science behind them.
As for keeping the "money machine" going....what the hell difference would it make by me saying I was natural until I was 21? If I were raving about some supersupplement that was responsible I could see your point....but I took NOTHING, and ate what mom made for dinner and ate school lunches getting ready for shows.... we trained 6 days a week religiously, and read every mag that came out....
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The right advices was to stay natural and delvelop a good solid base...which I did.
No one says you'll be a superstar overnight by using supplements, but they sure help...especially the stuff they have today. We didn't have the good fortune of having anywhere near the supps they have today, or the science behind them.
As for keeping the "money machine" going....what the hell difference would it make by me saying I was natural until I was 21? If I were raving about some supersupplement that was responsible I could see your point....but I took NOTHING, and ate what mom made for dinner and ate school lunches getting ready for shows.... we trained 6 days a week religiously, and read every mag that came out....
I agree. Many people think they are worthless but I think they make a decent difference.
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I agree. Many people think they are worthless but I think they make a decent difference.
Of course they do, companies wouldn't be spending millions in R&D if it wasn't warrented. The supplements of today are miles ahead of what we had in the late 70's/ 80's
Funny thing is, this guy is arguing for the young guys, who the supplements are pretty much made for...it's when you get to an advanced level that they don't do as much...at that point, you're looking for small changes....not building a base.
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Of course they do, companies wouldn't be spending millions in R&D if it wasn't warrented. The supplements of today are miles ahead of what we had in the late 70's/ 80's
Funny thing is, this guy is arguing for the young guys, who the supplements are pretty much made for...it's when you get to an advanced level that they don't do as much...at that point, you're looking for small changes....not building a base.
Supplements especially help I think if you have average or below average genetics.
Hey Bob, what kinds of protein powder did you have back then?
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Supplements especially help I think if you have average or below average genetics.
Hey Bob, what kinds of protein powder did you have back then?
Milk and Egg protein was all the rage....was no micro filtered, whey,etc...
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A lie told by the pros: As long as you work harder then the rest, you can be Mr.Olympia.
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A lie told by the pros: As long as you work harder then the rest, you can be Mr.Olympia.
What pro's say that?
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What pro's say that?
WTF...Isnt the show about to go on...
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Here's me at 17:
damn...i was 1
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What pro's say that?
Cutler and Dorian.
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Cutler
ok wtf...where is the show...
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The right advices was to stay natural and delvelop a good solid base...which I did.
No one says you'll be a superstar overnight by using supplements, but they sure help...especially the stuff they have today. We didn't have the good fortune of having anywhere near the supps they have today, or the science behind them.
As for keeping the "money machine" going....what the hell difference would it make by me saying I was natural until I was 21? If I were raving about some supersupplement that was responsible I could see your point....but I took NOTHING, and ate what mom made for dinner and ate school lunches getting ready for shows.... we trained 6 days a week religiously, and read every mag that came out....
You're kidding right? LMAO! Wow! The only supplement actually proven to be worth the money is creatine. And I can get all the creatine I need from red meat. Everything else is bullshit and a waste of money. You ask why the hell supplement companies would spend millions on R&D if they weren't worth it? LOL Come on Chick. Someone that is always glorifying how the "real world works" should know better. They don't spend millions of dollars on research and development. They spend millions of dollars on marketing and advertising. I guess all those doctors in the ads and on t.v. are actually doctors too huh?
The only thing that has really changed in the last 50 years when it comes to bodybuilding is the drugs. Guys were getting big and strong way before supplements. The only reason guys are the size they are today is because of drugs plain and simple. The supplement scam is the same bullshit that has gone on since Weider and Hoffman. There was a bodybuilder at one time that opened the door to the Weider Research Clinic and you know what it was? A fucking closet! Haha. Rumor or not it's a great description of how shady supplement companies are. I'll agree with you Chic that all you need is real food, discipline, and good training to build muscle. But your development at 17 is hardly attainable by anyone without drugs. And the fact that you think most average trainees can get by with training 6 days a week religiously shows you have no knowledge of what works and what does as far as bodybuilding goes. If you are in fact natural you've were allowed to skate by thanks to your genetics. If I put the average kid on a training routine of 6 days a week he'd do one of two things:
1) Give up and quit due to overtraining
2) Turn to steroids due to overtraining
Arnold would NEVER have gotten away with his training when he was younger without the drugs. Spending 3-4 hours a day 7 days a week doing 15 sets for chest? LMAO! Come on Chick! Not everyone on this board is so gullible.
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I think the pros that endorse a supplement should be off all drugs including HRT for a year. It would be interesting to see how they look in the supplement ad. The fact is that insecure young men are spending their hard earned money buying snake oil. The real supplement of the guys in the ads are drugs.
The real fact is that if steroids, GH, LH, insulin, thyroid, anti estrogen and all the rest of the junk were legal all bodybuilding supplements ads would go away. The ads would be pictures of bodybuilding pros holding a vial and a syringe. I can see the ad now. Our brand of testosterone is proven to be 84% more effective in clinical trials conducted in Bulgaria University than the leading brand.
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I think the pros that endorse a supplement should be off all drugs including HRT for a year. It would be interesting to see how they look in the supplement ad. The fact is that insecure young men are spending their hard earned money buying snake oil. The real supplement of the guys in the ads are drugs.
The real fact is that if steroids, GH, LH, insulin, thyroid, anti estrogen and all the rest of the junk were legal all bodybuilding supplements ads would go away. The ads would be pictures of bodybuilding pros holding a vial and a syringe. I can see the ad now. Our brand of testosterone is proven to be 84% more effective in clinical trials conducted in Bulgaria University than the leading brand.
There is still a stigma regarding using drugs to build muscle. Legality wouldn't change that mindset.
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You're kidding right? LMAO! Wow! The only supplement actually proven to be worth the money is creatine. And I can get all the creatine I need from red meat. Everything else is bullshit and a waste of money. You ask why the hell supplement companies would spend millions on R&D if they weren't worth it? LOL Come on Chick. Someone that is always glorifying how the "real world works" should know better. They don't spend millions of dollars on research and development. They spend millions of dollars on marketing and advertising. I guess all those doctors in the ads and on t.v. are actually doctors too huh?
The only thing that has really changed in the last 50 years when it comes to bodybuilding is the drugs. Guys were getting big and strong way before supplements. The only reason guys are the size they are today is because of drugs plain and simple. The supplement scam is the same bullshit that has gone on since Weider and Hoffman. There was a bodybuilder at one time that opened the door to the Weider Research Clinic and you know what it was? A fucking closet! Haha. Rumor or not it's a great description of how shady supplement companies are. I'll agree with you Chic that all you need is real food, discipline, and good training to build muscle. But your development at 17 is hardly attainable by anyone without drugs. And the fact that you think most average trainees can get by with training 6 days a week religiously shows you have no knowledge of what works and what does as far as bodybuilding goes. If you are in fact natural you've were allowed to skate by thanks to your genetics. If I put the average kid on a training routine of 6 days a week he'd do one of two things:
1) Give up and quit due to overtraining
2) Turn to steroids due to overtraining
Arnold would NEVER have gotten away with his training when he was younger without the drugs. Spending 3-4 hours a day 7 days a week doing 15 sets for chest? LMAO! Come on Chick! Not everyone on this board is so gullible.
First of all, not everyone wants to look like a world class bodybuilder, nor do they have aspirations of competition...the developement I showed at 17 can be achieved by training consistantly and minimum attention to diet...of course genetics help....but the fact is, I was just more driven than anyone else I knew...most of my friends would train for a little while, get a GF and we would never see them in the gym again...
You have no clue as to what the supp companies spend their money on....I do.
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First of all, not everyone wants to look like a world class bodybuilder, nor do they have aspirations of competition...the developement I showed at 17 can be achieved by training consistantly and minimum attention to diet...of course genetics help....but the fact is, I was just more driven than anyone else I knew...most of my friends would train for a little while, get a GF and we would never see them in the gym again...
You have no clue as to what the supp companies spend their money on....I do.
Please enlighten us on what they spend there money on.
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Please enlighten us on what they spend there money on.
Please read the posts
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Please read the posts
Epic dancing around the question the man asked.
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Epic dancing around the question the man asked.
Epic not comprehending what has already been posted...
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You're kidding right? LMAO! Wow! The only supplement actually proven to be worth the money is creatine. And I can get all the creatine I need from red meat. Everything else is bullshit and a waste of money. You ask why the hell supplement companies would spend millions on R&D if they weren't worth it? LOL Come on Chick. Someone that is always glorifying how the "real world works" should know better. They don't spend millions of dollars on research and development. They spend millions of dollars on marketing and advertising. I guess all those doctors in the ads and on t.v. are actually doctors too huh?
The only thing that has really changed in the last 50 years when it comes to bodybuilding is the drugs. Guys were getting big and strong way before supplements. The only reason guys are the size they are today is because of drugs plain and simple. The supplement scam is the same bullshit that has gone on since Weider and Hoffman. There was a bodybuilder at one time that opened the door to the Weider Research Clinic and you know what it was? A fucking closet! Haha. Rumor or not it's a great description of how shady supplement companies are. I'll agree with you Chic that all you need is real food, discipline, and good training to build muscle. But your development at 17 is hardly attainable by anyone without drugs. And the fact that you think most average trainees can get by with training 6 days a week religiously shows you have no knowledge of what works and what does as far as bodybuilding goes. If you are in fact natural you've were allowed to skate by thanks to your genetics. If I put the average kid on a training routine of 6 days a week he'd do one of two things:
1) Give up and quit due to overtraining
2) Turn to steroids due to overtraining
Arnold would NEVER have gotten away with his training when he was younger without the drugs. Spending 3-4 hours a day 7 days a week doing 15 sets for chest? LMAO! Come on Chick! Not everyone on this board is so gullible.
i like this guy,,his posts are good ,,
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Good for what?
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Epic dancing around the question the man asked.
It's what I expected, but you never know.
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It's what I expected, but you never know.
Ah c'mon man it's the same old bullshit.
Don't put too much stock in any conversation you are having with a pro bodybuilder, just assume whatever he is telling you is complete lies and you will be just fine.
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You're kidding right? LMAO! Wow! The only supplement actually proven to be worth the money is creatine. And I can get all the creatine I need from red meat. Everything else is bullshit and a waste of money. You ask why the hell supplement companies would spend millions on R&D if they weren't worth it? LOL Come on Chick. Someone that is always glorifying how the "real world works" should know better. They don't spend millions of dollars on research and development. They spend millions of dollars on marketing and advertising. I guess all those doctors in the ads and on t.v. are actually doctors too huh?
The only thing that has really changed in the last 50 years when it comes to bodybuilding is the drugs. Guys were getting big and strong way before supplements. The only reason guys are the size they are today is because of drugs plain and simple. The supplement scam is the same bullshit that has gone on since Weider and Hoffman. There was a bodybuilder at one time that opened the door to the Weider Research Clinic and you know what it was? A fucking closet! Haha. Rumor or not it's a great description of how shady supplement companies are. I'll agree with you Chic that all you need is real food, discipline, and good training to build muscle. But your development at 17 is hardly attainable by anyone without drugs. And the fact that you think most average trainees can get by with training 6 days a week religiously shows you have no knowledge of what works and what does as far as bodybuilding goes. If you are in fact natural you've were allowed to skate by thanks to your genetics. If I put the average kid on a training routine of 6 days a week he'd do one of two things:
1) Give up and quit due to overtraining
2) Turn to steroids due to overtraining
Arnold would NEVER have gotten away with his training when he was younger without the drugs. Spending 3-4 hours a day 7 days a week doing 15 sets for chest? LMAO! Come on Chick! Not everyone on this board is so gullible.
McMannus....I agree with you on some points, but as a marketing consultant I have worked with some of the larger supplement companies, and they spend a ton of cash on RD. The larger companies have staffed labs and they put a lot of time and effort into their products. There is a lot of bullshit....but take it from me, the major players are focused on science.
The largest supplement companies spend peanuts in marketing dollars compared to major companies....peanuts.
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McMannus....I agree with you on some points, but as a marketing consultant I have worked with some of the larger supplement companies, and they spend a ton of cash on RD. The larger companies have staffed labs and they put a lot of time and effort into their products. There is a lot of bullshit....but take it from me, the major players are focused on science.
The largest supplement companies spend peanuts in marketing dollars compared to major companies....peanuts.
"Science". ::)
The typical supp "company" consists of finding out whatever substance is "hot" in the bb community right now, buying several kilos of it in raw powder form from China, hiring day laborers at minimum wage to stuff it into capsules, getting some fancy bottle labels printed up, and starting a website. I could run one of these operations out of my garage.
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"Science". ::)
The typical supp "company" consists of finding out whatever substance is "hot" in the bb community right now, buying several kilos of it in raw powder form from China, hiring day laborers at minimum wage to stuff it into capsules, getting some fancy bottle labels printed up, and starting a website. I could run one of these operations out of my garage.
Then you should do so...it's got to pay better than posting on this forum all day
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Then you should do so...it's got to pay better than posting on this forum all day
Ron pays very well for forum posts. He's very generous with his Jew Gold. Of course with the economy being what it is, he may have to downsize at some point. I'm thinking he axes that slacker Quaker Oats before me though... fucker hasn't been into the office in days. >:(
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"Science". ::)
The typical supp "company" consists of finding out whatever substance is "hot" in the bb community right now, buying several kilos of it in raw powder form from China, hiring day laborers at minimum wage to stuff it into capsules, getting some fancy bottle labels printed up, and starting a website. I could run one of these operations out of my garage.
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You can't. That's where Tracy keeps her rocket launchers.
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You can't. That's where Tracy keeps her rocket launchers.
She used to keep them in there, but then we bought a third vehicle so they no longer fit. I had them shipped to Chaos in Cali... I figure he might take them up to South Central and do some "urban renewal".
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Then you should do so...it's got to pay better than posting on this forum all day
pretty pathetic isn't it?
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I think the pros that endorse a supplement should be off all drugs including HRT for a year. It would be interesting to see how they look in the supplement ad. The fact is that insecure young men are spending their hard earned money buying snake oil. The real supplement of the guys in the ads are drugs.
The real fact is that if steroids, GH, LH, insulin, thyroid, anti estrogen and all the rest of the junk were legal all bodybuilding supplements ads would go away. The ads would be pictures of bodybuilding pros holding a vial and a syringe. I can see the ad now. Our brand of testosterone is proven to be 84% more effective in clinical trials conducted in Bulgaria University than the leading brand.
Ummmmm....."Oldtimer", steroids were legal during Arnold's heyday. Yet, there were plenty of bodybuilding supplement ads badk then (many of them, featureing Schwarzenegger himself).
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Ummmmm....."Oldtimer", steroids were legal during Arnold's heyday. Yet, there were plenty of bodybuilding supplement ads badk then (many of them, featureing Schwarzenegger himself).
Exactly right....there are plenty of drugs out there that are legal, doesn't mean people automatically want to partake... like alcohol, tobacco...if they made pot legal tomorrow, I'm still not interested in smoking it.
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Exactly right....there are plenty of drugs out there that are legal, doesn't mean people automatically want to partake... like alcohol, tobacco...if they made pot legal tomorrow, I'm still not interested in smoking it.
Well spoken chick, I hate pot smoking hippies too >:(
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Exactly right....there are plenty of drugs out there that are legal, doesn't mean people automatically want to partake... like alcohol, tobacco...if they made pot legal tomorrow, I'm still not interested in smoking it.
Correct
Aas being illlegal is not the real deterrent to people, its the bad media rep they get, and the "cheat" stigma attached.
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Ah c'mon man it's the same old bullshit.
Don't put too much stock in any conversation you are having with a pro bodybuilder, just assume whatever he is telling you is complete lies and you will be just fine.
Differing views is 1 thing, but to get slanderous with the one established pro that still posts here regularly, and actually contributes to the board, is fucked up.
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Differing views is 1 thing, but to get slanderous with the one established pro that still posts here regularly, and actually contributes to the board, is fucked up.
Dont worry bro...every village has one
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you answered your own concern. there are more teens using steroids now than ever, yet none have Bob's quad development. the reason is work ethic. everyone trained so much harder back then. now it is a bunch of lazy kids trying to find the perfect cycle. i've actually had guys ask me what drug to take for outer thigh thickness, lol. i don't know Bob, but would bet he spent more time squatting by 17 than most guys nowadays will do their whole careers. drugs have always been effective, but in the 80's they were part of a formula, now they are a replacement for hard work and good eating.
AMEN!!!
Ronnie Coleman has a saying, "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight". I'd say a similar principle applies to diet and nutrition. They don't want to eat no heavy-@$$ food or take heavy-@$$ supplements. All they want to do is inject their way to a bodybuilder's physique.
What I learned in the mid-90s from the pros was that, drugs or no drugs, these guys were ingesting calories like no tomorrow. Either they were eating them, drinking them, or (in many cases) BOTH!!! Lots of chicken, beef, eggs, whole milk, and tons of protein powder (i.e. 8 packs of MET-Rx per day).
Of course, I couldn't afford MET-Rx. In fact, the only think I could afford was Mega Mass 2000 and GNC Challenge Milk and Egg protein powder (buy one; get one 50% off). I would go through nearly 2 lbs of Mega Mass powder a day. So a bag of Mega Mass would last me a week. Later I would switch to N-Large (which got upgraded to N-Large2). End result: I got bigger and I got stronger.
The strangest part of all was that, even though my development was nowhere near that of Chick, people started accusing ME of using anabolics. One guy even asked me at Bally where he could get steroids and looked shocked when I told him I didn't use them (Here I am thinking, "I can barely afford weight gainer; how on Earth can I be taking 'roids?").
As for the all the whining about supplements and feeding the evil consordium of supplement companies and magazine companies, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Price is hardly an excuse these days, especially since all you have to do is WAIT for store like GNC to start marking down supplements for clearance (courtesy of one government law that actually helps bodybuilders) and start cleaning house.
I have a shelf full of RTDs that I just picked up for $0.99 each or less. Not to mention there are the two 5-lb jugs of GNC's Mega Whey, each marked down to $10. Last month, I even got some Anator P-70, marked down to $17. In fact, thanks to the 40% off promotion MuscleTech has, I ended up buying a second one for about $9 (actually those prices don't factor in my Gold Card discount ;D ).
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AMEN!!!
Ronnie Coleman has a saying, "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight". I'd say a similar principle applies to diet and nutrition. They don't want to eat no heavy-@$$ food or take heavy-@$$ supplements. All they want to do is inject their way to a bodybuilder's physique.
What I learned in the mid-90s from the pros was that, drugs or no drugs, these guys were ingesting calories like no tomorrow. Either they were eating them, drinking them, or (in many cases) BOTH!!! Lots of chicken, beef, eggs, whole milk, and tons of protein powder (i.e. 8 packs of MET-Rx per day).
Of course, I couldn't afford MET-Rx. In fact, the only think I could afford was Mega Mass 2000 and GNC Challenge Milk and Egg protein powder (buy one; get one 50% off). I would go through nearly 2 lbs of Mega Mass powder a day. So a bag of Mega Mass would last me a week. Later I would switch to N-Large (which got upgraded to N-Large2). End result: I got bigger and I got stronger.
The strangest part of all was that, even though my development was nowhere near that of Chick, people started accusing ME of using anabolics. One guy even asked me at Bally where he could get steroids and looked shocked when I told him I didn't use them (Here I am thinking, "I can barely afford weight gainer; how on Earth can I be taking 'roids?").
As for the all the whining about supplements and feeding the evil consordium of supplement companies and magazine companies, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Price is hardly an excuse these days, especially since all you have to do is WAIT for store like GNC to start marking down supplements for clearance (courtesy of one government law that actually helps bodybuilders) and start cleaning house.
I have a shelf full of RTDs that I just picked up for $0.99 each or less. Not to mention there are the two 5-lb jugs of GNC's Mega Whey, each marked down to $10. Last month, I even got some Anator P-70, marked down to $17. In fact, thanks to the 40% off promotion MuscleTech has, I ended up buying a second one for about $9 (actually those prices don't factor in my Gold Card discount ;D ).
es·say
NOUN:
A short literary composition on a single subject, usually presenting the personal view of the author.
Something resembling such a composition: a photojournalistic essay.
A testing or trial of the value or nature of a thing: an essay of the students' capabilities.
An initial attempt or endeavor, especially a tentative attempt.
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AMEN!!!
Ronnie Coleman has a saying, "Everybody want to be a bodybuilder, but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight". I'd say a similar principle applies to diet and nutrition. They don't want to eat no heavy-@$$ food or take heavy-@$$ supplements. All they want to do is inject their way to a bodybuilder's physique.
What I learned in the mid-90s from the pros was that, drugs or no drugs, these guys were ingesting calories like no tomorrow. Either they were eating them, drinking them, or (in many cases) BOTH!!! Lots of chicken, beef, eggs, whole milk, and tons of protein powder (i.e. 8 packs of MET-Rx per day).
Of course, I couldn't afford MET-Rx. In fact, the only think I could afford was Mega Mass 2000 and GNC Challenge Milk and Egg protein powder (buy one; get one 50% off). I would go through nearly 2 lbs of Mega Mass powder a day. So a bag of Mega Mass would last me a week. Later I would switch to N-Large (which got upgraded to N-Large2). End result: I got bigger and I got stronger.
The strangest part of all was that, even though my development was nowhere near that of Chick, people started accusing ME of using anabolics. One guy even asked me at Bally where he could get steroids and looked shocked when I told him I didn't use them (Here I am thinking, "I can barely afford weight gainer; how on Earth can I be taking 'roids?").
As for the all the whining about supplements and feeding the evil consordium of supplement companies and magazine companies, GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! Price is hardly an excuse these days, especially since all you have to do is WAIT for store like GNC to start marking down supplements for clearance (courtesy of one government law that actually helps bodybuilders) and start cleaning house.
I have a shelf full of RTDs that I just picked up for $0.99 each or less. Not to mention there are the two 5-lb jugs of GNC's Mega Whey, each marked down to $10. Last month, I even got some Anator P-70, marked down to $17. In fact, thanks to the 40% off promotion MuscleTech has, I ended up buying a second one for about $9 (actually those prices don't factor in my Gold Card discount ;D ).
You going to try to get cut any time MCWAY?
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As you see evidenced by the lack of knowledge and mindset...these guys have to believe that no one else could do what they cant, without using steroids, as it justifies their lack of accomplishment.
Actually pretty pathetic...it's the same mentality they have in life as to why the OTHER guy got the promotion (he's a kiss-ass/ sucks dick/ etc), why this guy is a millionaire (family left him millions/ was given everything/ etc) or why the other guy got the girl...
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Dont worry bro...every village has one
Must be nice know people still have a brown nose for yah huh chick.
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As you see evidenced by the lack of knowledge and mindset...these guys have to believe that no one else could do what they cant, without using steroids, as it justifies their lack of accomplishment.
Actually pretty pathetic...it's the same mentality they have in life as to why the OTHER guy got the promotion (he's a kiss-ass/ sucks dick/ etc), why this guy is a millionaire (family left him millions/ was given everything/ etc) or why the other guy got the girl...
True, very good post.
You're a great guy, Chick! I wish the world could have more guys like you. :'( :'(
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NOUN:
A short literary composition on a single subject, usually presenting the personal view of the author.
Something resembling such a composition: a photojournalistic essay.
A testing or trial of the value or nature of a thing: an essay of the students' capabilities.
An initial attempt or endeavor, especially a tentative attempt.
I forgot to add this to my “essay” ;D.
Tell them to eat high protein, and you’ll hear some lecture about how the body can’t digest more than 30 grams of protein per meal or that the RDA is blah, blah, yak, yak.
Tell them to eat high carbs, then you’ll get some spiel about insulin.
Plus, some people's diets aren't as good as they think they are. Lord knows, that was the case for me.
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As you see evidenced by the lack of knowledge and mindset...these guys have to believe that no one else could do what they cant, without using steroids, as it justifies their lack of accomplishment.
Actually pretty pathetic...it's the same mentality they have in life as to why the OTHER guy got the promotion (he's a kiss-ass/ sucks dick/ etc), why this guy is a millionaire (family left him millions/ was given everything/ etc) or why the other guy got the girl...
Hey Bob, I was wondering if you could talk more about your theory of 'ego exercises' and what alternatives you have found effective. It was briefly mentioned here but no one got into any detail about it. Cheers!
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You going to try to get cut any time MCWAY?
I’m not competing in any bodybuilding show; so, as far as being “cut” (i.e. super-lean) goes, the answer is “No”. However, I’ve declared war on the handles that haven’t quite gone away, since I bulked up to 252, back in 2005.
I got stuck in the mid-230s for several months; so, I decided to up my calories to add on some size in January. I ended up at 243 by mid-March. Since I was more careful with my diet, the waist didn’t expand quite as much. For the past three weeks, I’ve dropped my calories to whittle down the handles. I’m back down to 233; but with the same strength as I had at 243 and a smaller waist. Once they’re gone; it’s back to normal, calorie-wise, for size.
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I’m not competing in any bodybuilding show; so, as far as being “cut” (i.e. super-lean) goes, the answer is “No”. However, I’ve declared war on the handles that haven’t quite gone away, since I bulked up to 252, back in 2005.
I got stuck in the mid-230s for several months; so, I decided to up my calories to add on some size in January. I ended up at 243 by mid-March. Since I was more careful with my diet, the waist didn’t expand quite as much. For the past three weeks, I’ve dropped my calories to whittle down the handles. I’m back down to 233; but with the same strength as I had at 243 and a smaller waist. Once they’re gone; it’s back to normal, calorie-wise, for size.
So you just train for strength?
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So you just train for strength?
NOOOOOOO!!! Hence the reason I said, "Once they’re gone; it’s back to normal, calorie-wise, for size".
I don't need to be shredded, because I have no immediate plans to competing. Once my waist is down to where I want it, I will go back up in weight, with the goal of keeping my waist in check and regaining my 18" arms (this time, with an actual tricep and bicep).
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NOOOOOOO!!! Hence the reason I said, "Once they’re gone; it’s back to normal, calorie-wise, for size".
I don't need to be shredded, because I have no immediate plans to competing. Once my waist is down to where I want it, I will go back up in weight, with the goal of keeping my waist in check and regaining my 18" arms (this time, with an actual tricep and bicep).
So you are happy with being a fat permabulker, do i get this right? ;D ;D
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So you are happy with being a fat permabulker, do i get this right? ;D ;D
No you don't. My abs are visible. All I need to do is shave a couple of inches off my waist (particularly on my sides); and I'm good to go.
Unless I'm competing, there's no need for me to be shredded.
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No you don't. My abs are visible. All I need to do is shave a couple of inches off my waist (particularly on my sides); and I'm good to go.
Unless I'm competing, there's no need for me to be shredded.
I was just kidding, whatever you do, keep on doing it.
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No you don't. My abs are visible. All I need to do is shave a couple of inches off my waist (particularly on my sides); and I'm good to go.
Unless I'm competing, there's no need for me to be shredded.
I can see all 8 clearly with an x-ray machine. ;D
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I was just kidding, whatever you do, keep on doing it.
Truth be told, ceasing my weight gainer use was tough. It was like saying goodbye to an old friend, as that was the one constant throughout the years I've been training. I can't quite eat the way I once did, when I was in my 20s. W
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Differing views is 1 thing, but to get slanderous with the one established pro that still posts here regularly, and actually contributes to the board, is fucked up.
Why? It will just keep him coming back. Bob Chick only responds to negativity.
Just look back in the archives for some of him and Genes heated exchanges.
(and btw Chick also happens to be one of my favorite posters and I enjoy listening to PBW every week)
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As you see evidenced by the lack of knowledge and mindset...these guys have to believe that no one else could do what they cant, without using steroids, as it justifies their lack of accomplishment.
Actually pretty pathetic...it's the same mentality they have in life as to why the OTHER guy got the promotion (he's a kiss-ass/ sucks dick/ etc), why this guy is a millionaire (family left him millions/ was given everything/ etc) or why the other guy got the girl...
Oh please it has NOTHING to do with that. It has to do with the fact that the size of bodybuilders has increased 10 fold in the last 30 years. People like you want to attribute it to new developments in nutrition, training, or supplements. That's bullshit and you know it! It's D R U G S that have changed bodybuilding. Guys 30 years ago weren't abusing IGF, GH, Slin like they are today. Are all pros using everything under the sun? Of course not. But you have this puritanical, squeaky clean image of bodybuilding and it's complete bullshit. These supplement companies make BILLIONS off of this deceit. To you that's acceptable because that's the way the "real world" works. You know your ass is on atleast HRT doses right now to maintain your current size. The minute you come off the drugs your ass would shrink back down to normal size especially at your age. Yet at 40 some odd years you're still living the lie because it's your livelihood and way of life. Always has been. That's all you know is bodybuilding.
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Must be nice know people still have a brown nose for yah huh chick.
Why? It will just keep him coming back. Bob Chick only responds to negativity.
Just look back in the archives for some of him and Genes heated exchanges.
(and btw Chick also happens to be one of my favorite posters and I enjoy listening to PBW every week)
Nothing to do with brown-nosing.
Im a bbing fan, on a bbing board, and I appreciate the input from pro bbers (the ones that inspired me to train in 1st place).
If we have disputes such as disagreements on wether sups work or not, and do not believe what Chick says re his own use, thats cool, but theres ways to go about it.
If you read the Steve Namat thread, and the way those idiots are ripping into the guy, if he didnt have thick skin, or a sense of humour, he woulda been long gone.
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#15 The bank made a mistake
#16 I'll bet you and pay a $100 if I am wrong.
The beef
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Nothing to do with brown-nosing.
Im a bbing fan, on a bbing board, and I appreciate the input from pro bbers (the ones that inspired me to train in 1st place).
If we have disputes such as disagreements on wether sups work or not, and do not believe what Chick says re his own use, thats cool, but theres ways to go about it.
If you read the Steve Namat thread, and the way those idiots are ripping into the guy, if he didnt have thick skin, or a sense of humour, he woulda been long gone.
That's what makes Steve Namat and Bob Chick great, they can take a joke.
You see guys like Steve and Bob are important men. They build things in this world, Do you realize how important that is??
They inspire people to come in person and admire their physiques; to train and clean up their diets.
And they don't need some wormy schmoe like you to defend them.
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They do take jokes like men, and are due respect.
They also dont need a "wormy schmoe" like me to stand up for them, but you're missing the point...
Others, as I said, may not take it so well, even with wormy schmoes brown-nosing them.
btw, if stating what I believe to be right & wrong makes me a wormy schmoe, knock yourself out.
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They do take jokes like men, and are due respect.
They also dont need a "wormy schmoe" like me to stand up for them, but you're missing the point...
Others, as I said, may not take it so well, even with wormy schmoes brown-nosing them.
btw, if stating what I believe to be right & wrong makes me a wormy schmoe, knock yourself out.
What has he done that deserves automatic respect?
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They do take jokes like men, and are due respect.
They also dont need a "wormy schmoe" like me to stand up for them, but you're missing the point...
Others, as I said, may not take it so well, even with wormy schmoes brown-nosing them.
btw, if stating what I believe to be right & wrong makes me a wormy schmoe, knock yourself out.
And what is your solution to this whole thing?........
Are you just gonna be little "Johnny-on-the-spot" with the refresh button?
Constantly clicking on it day in and day out, just so you can come in here and come to the rescue of your so called "bodybuilding heroes"
There's more to life than defending grown men who can think for themselves, son.
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What has he done that deserves automatic respect?
I said they are due respect for not going crying into a corner, or melting down when the keyboard warriors start ripping into them with g4p, all synthol, etc...
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And what is your solution to this whole thing?........
Are you just gonna be little "Johnny-on-the-spot" with the refresh button?
Constantly clicking on it day in and day out, just so you can come in here and come to the rescue of your so called "bodybuilding heroes"
No. Never called anybody a hero, neither.
There's more to life than defending grown men who can think for themselves, son.
I'm not defending anyone, I simply stated that your comment of all pros are liars is unecessary, when you simply disagree over something trivial.
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"Science". ::)
The typical supp "company" consists of finding out whatever substance is "hot" in the bb community right now, buying several kilos of it in raw powder form from China, hiring day laborers at minimum wage to stuff it into capsules, getting some fancy bottle labels printed up, and starting a website. I could run one of these operations out of my garage.
Nothing could be farther from the truth. I said the major players, not fools like Polumbo and the like. As I said, I usually work with mainstream companies such as Pepsi, but after working with a few of the large supplement companies, my opinion has changed on them. You could certainly run a supplement business from your garage, but it wouldn't be worth over 100 million bones.
The big supplement companies have labs, they spend a lot of money on RD and they are out to push the envelope when it comes to supplementation. Fat burners and pro hormones are good examples of this.
Do you know why a lot of supplement companies market like they do? Their hardcore audience is dumb. To them extremes are cool. Look at the "sport" of bb. It's based on extremes! Look at the more mainstream EAS ads....they are marketing their products much differently to mainstream consumers and athletes.
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Oh please it has NOTHING to do with that. It has to do with the fact that the size of bodybuilders has increased 10 fold in the last 30 years. People like you want to attribute it to new developments in nutrition, training, or supplements. That's bullshit and you know it! It's D R U G S that have changed bodybuilding. Guys 30 years ago weren't abusing IGF, GH, Slin like they are today. Are all pros using everything under the sun? Of course not. But you have this puritanical, squeaky clean image of bodybuilding and it's complete bullshit. These supplement companies make BILLIONS off of this deceit. To you that's acceptable because that's the way the "real world" works. You know your ass is on atleast HRT doses right now to maintain your current size. The minute you come off the drugs your ass would shrink back down to normal size especially at your age. Yet at 40 some odd years you're still living the lie because it's your livelihood and way of life. Always has been. That's all you know is bodybuilding.
I’d hardly call Chick’s image of bodybuilding “puritanical” or “squeaky clean”. I believe his point was that, contrary to your earlier implication, he didn’t start injecting everything but the kitchen sink, the second he inherited his dad’s/brother’s/uncle’s cement weights in the garage.
To top it all off, the lion's share of supplement users aren't bodybuilders, don't want to be bodybuilders, and could care less about who wins the Olympia, the Universe, the Arnold Classic, the Nationals, or any other bodybuilding contests.
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You have no clue as to what the supp companies spend their money on....I do.
Then you should do so...it's got to pay better than posting on this forum all day
Muscletech started in some guys kitchen right (by their own admission). Even then the ads were talking about "labs" and "research". There was some type of partnership with Musclemag Intl., Greg Zulak writing ad copy disguised as articles.
Goatboy is spot on on how it works. You need good marketing and if you have that you can sell absolute garbage.
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after working with a few of the large supplement companies, my opinion has changed on them. You could certainly run a supplement business from your garage, but it wouldn't be worth over 100 million bones.
The big supplement companies have labs, they spend a lot of money on RD and they are out to push the envelope when it comes to supplementation. Fat burners and pro hormones are good examples of this.
Pro hormones were sold by the small companies only, especially the last decade. Or they were shell companies. Too much risk. But if you intend to have money for actual funded studies like Muscletech you have to start at the bottom.
Which companies apart from Muscletech actually do studies and serious R&D and have their own labs.
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I forgot to add this to my “essay” ;D.
Tell them to eat high protein, and you’ll hear some lecture about how the body can’t digest more than 30 grams of protein per meal or that the RDA is blah, blah, yak, yak.
Tell them to eat high carbs, then you’ll get some spiel about insulin.
Plus, some people's diets aren't as good as they think they are. Lord knows, that was the case for me.
We liike to call those little things 'facts'
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You're kidding right? LMAO! Wow! The only supplement actually proven to be worth the money is creatine. And I can get all the creatine I need from red meat.
youd have to eat several pounds daily, but yeah.
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Muscletech started in some guys kitchen right (by their own admission). Even then the ads were talking about "labs" and "research". There was some type of partnership with Musclemag Intl., Greg Zulak writing ad copy disguised as articles.
Goatboy is spot on on how it works. You need good marketing and if you have that you can sell absolute garbage.
What experience do you have with companies like ISI Brands, VPX, EAS - etc? How have you worked with them. How are you in the know? I can tell you for a fact there are legit supplement companies that have labs and that pour tons of cash into r&d.
What you're saying it true to a point....but all the supplement companies are not out to do what you say. "Good marketing" depends on what you are trying to do. Marketing to bodybuilding meatheads is easy. Make it look extreme and say it has the power of steriods and you have a winner. It's not so easy with athletes who are tested by the NCAA. To athletes "warning/powerful" and "steriod like results" are not a good thing.
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What experience do you have with companies like ISI Brands, VPX, EAS, BSN - etc? How have you worked with them. How are you in the know? I can tell you for a fact there are legit supplement companies that have labs and that pour tons of cash into r&d.
I don't have any inside knowledge but from reading I've formed an opinion regardless. For example, a company like VPX sells BCAA ethyl esters. Where's the data showing these are any better than regular BCAAs (might be worse from several aspects for all I know)? Muscletech may have funded some study showing their Leucine activates mTOR or whatever but where's the data showing it performs any better than regular leucine and actually increases muscle mass in trained subjects? The scientific support for HMB is strong as hell compared to most other supplements but does it do anything in the real world? Not so much.
My guess is that most of the R&D cash goes into researching marketing strategies.
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I don't have any inside knowledge but from reading I've formed an opinion regardless. For example, a company like VPX sells BCAA ethyl esters. Where's the data showing these are any better than regular BCAAs? Muscletech may have funded some study showing their Leucine activates mTOR or whatever but where's the data showing it performs any better than regular leucine and actually increases muscle mass in trained subjects?
What you are saying is true, but don't confuse that with product development and r&d. VPX has a staff of chemists and they develop product on-site. VPX and others don't fund studies because they don't have to. People buy their product no matter what. Only a very small percentage of lifters are as smart as you. Most don't look at research when shopping for product. Athletes want to know the bottom line. Typical lifters want to know the bottom line. The vast majority of those who buy these supps cant comprehend the studies that you speak of. Muscletech is a good example of a company that targets the ultra serious bodybuilder. They don't target the NCAA athlete. They have to back their claims because their customers are bodybuilder who understand the science. That said, just because a company does utilize cash flow to showcase their findings, that does not mean that they don't research and push the envelope with their products. ISI and VPX are two companies who spend a lot of money on product development.
Again, these companies don't spend big numbers on marketing. Major companies spend much more. They also tend to stick to print within their own industry....aside from some of the bigger companies. Your assumption on marketing dollars is wrong. What cutting edge marketing are these people doing? Print? It's all the same shit.
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Here is what you buy if you want a good supplement - imo:
ISI
VPX
Muscletech
Eas
There is a lot of bullshit out there, but the same can be said for any industry. The major players in this game are legit.
If you need protein and creatine and fish oil or whatever non-gimmick staple, find a vendor selling high quality product in bulk. Vitamins from reputable companies like NOW Foods for example, not "Animal Stack multi packs". The guys with huge marketing budgets overprice the products. I would never buy protein from those since I know I can get even higher quality much cheaper.
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Imagine how much cheaper Muscletech products would be if they didnt have to pay all the guys that endorse them??
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If you need protein and creatine and fish oil or whatever non-gimmick staple, find a vendor selling high quality product in bulk. Vitamins from reputable companies like NOW Foods for example, not "Animal Stack multi packs". The guys with huge marketing budgets overprice the products. I would never buy protein from those since I know I can get even higher quality much cheaper.
Again, normal consumers in this market don't think like that. I have worked with the companies that you talk like you know everything about. As I said above, they care about developing great products and creating cutting edge supplements. I have a feeling nothing I say will sway you and thats ok.
Huge marketing budgets? Do you understand what drives sales costs? What ROI is? Why they spend on marketing?
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Imagine how much cheaper Muscletech products would be if they didnt have to pay all the guys that endorse them??
You have no idea how cash flow works do you? You think their sponsorship expenditure is what drives their sales costs exclusively LOL. Tell me, why do you think Muscletech charges what they do for their products?
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They charge so much because they have a huge marketing drive,thats what Im saying
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They charge so much because they have a huge marketing drive,thats what Im saying
No it's not. They don't charge what they do because of their marketing budgets. Effective marketing gives you a much larger RIO than the initial investment. Also, that budget does not effect sales costs exclusively. Thats the market. These companies charge what they do for their products because they can. The market dictates that. Muscletech is a "high end" company. Just like a high end car they can charge more. You see all the studies and such. That cost money and that backs up their costs.
Initially you linked Muscletechs product cost to their sponsorships.
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No it's not. They don't charge what they do because of their marketing budgets. Effective marketing gives you a much larger RIO than the initial investment. Also, that budget does not effect sales costs exclusively. Thats the market. These companies charge what they do for their products because they can. The market dictates that.
Initially you linked Muscletechs product cost to their sponsorships.
Yes it is
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Yes it is
How do you know this? I think you are talking out of your ass. Explain to me how Muscletech creates their cost structure, why it is the way it is and what kind of ROI they expect from their marketing expenditures. Also, if marketing is the reason why they charge so much for their products, where are they getting the cash for their medical studies + r&d.
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They dont do medical studies or R and D,if they did then it would quickly be realised that their products are a load of bollocks,or as you americans say,their products suck
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Imagine how much cheaper Muscletech products would be if they didnt have to pay all the guys that endorse them??
LOL....trust me...the combined total of what the endorsed athletes make on contract doesn't make a dent in the total revenue being brought in by MT....they are a billion dollar company
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They dont do medical studies or R and D,if they did then it would quickly be realised that their products are a load of bollocks,or as you americans say,their products suck
My bad, I thought you might know what you were talking about.....nevermind.
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My bad, I thought you might know what you were talking about.....nevermind.
I never claimed to know what I was talking about
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LOL....trust me...the combined total of what the endorsed athletes make on contract doesn't make a dent in the total revenue being brought in by MT....they are a billion dollar company
I never agree with you but I do here. Sponsorships and such have little to no effect on a company's sale costs. Products cost is determined by COS and the market. As you know, marketing is supposed to create ROI (unless you're branding) and no good company is in the hole trying to pay off their marketing bills. Again, product cost is based on r&d, ingredients, market tolerance and the economy.
I'm sure you have had conversations with Paul or Dave about this issue.
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I never claimed to know what I was talking about
great comeback, you really owned him there ;D :D
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Double owning,I owned him and myself...yeeeeeeeehaaaaa aaah
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Bob Chick,
you have every reason to lie.... you are/were an IFBB pro, which means you lie to the public when asked about your "supplements".
IFBB pros, most of whom suffer from insecurity, cannot come to terms with the fact that the "success" comes from a syringe.
Hence idiotic terms/phrases such as "all genetics, its all about nutrition, I live for the weights" are used when asked about the secret to their success. Somehow the role of drugs are completely forgotten.
Bob, you are no different. you too are a liar.
LOL...you can believe what you want, I have no reason to lie about it...And I did make some great gains on my first cycle, it was for the 1987 Jr, Nationals (which I won) You can easily see from my pics from 13-20 the steady progress I made from year to year...I knew about steroids, knew the older guys in the gym used them, read about them in the magazines....but vowed to train natural through my teens to build a good base (as I was given the right advices)...besides that, I was beating all the kids who used them anyways...
here's me at 15
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Bob Chick,
you have every reason to lie.... you are/were an IFBB pro, which means you lie to the public when asked about your "supplements".
IFBB pros, most of whom suffer from insecurity, cannot come to terms with the fact that the "success" comes from a syringe.
Hence idiotic terms/phrases such as "all genetics, its all about nutrition, I live for the weights" are used when asked about the secret to their success. Somehow the role of drugs are completely forgotten.
Bob, you are no different. you too are a liar.
As an IFBB pro...why would it make any difference whatsoever whether or not I was using steroids at 15? In my case...I chose not to consider taking them until I was out of my teens.
If you really think success comes from a syringe, then you are out of touch with reality and what it takes to be a pro (in ANY sport) I know guys who took everything and anything they could get their hands on...and never made it out of the local level.
The role of drugs aren't forgotten...but they're not the sole rerason for anyone's success or failure, they are just ONE of many components....steroids don't train for you, diet for you, get up at 5 a.m. to do cardio, or give you the drive or determination to stick with a goal for the better part of 13 years.
You are no different than the rest of the people that try and demean someone else's accomplishments to justify your own failures.
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If you really think success comes from a syringe, then you are out of touch with reality and what it takes to be a pro (in ANY sport) I know guys who took everything and anything they could get their hands on...and never made it out of the local level.
The role of drugs aren't forgotten...but they're not the sole rerason for anyone's success or failure, they are just ONE of many components....steroids don't train for you, diet for you, get up at 5 a.m. to do cardio, or give you the drive or determination to stick with a goal for the better part of 13 years.
Drugs and genetics are the most important factors. The whole "diet/training" BS are incidental when it comes to a pro.
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Drugs and genetics are the most important factors. The whole "diet/training" BS are incidental when it comes to a pro.
How would you know?
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As an IFBB pro...why would it make any difference whatsoever whether or not I was using steroids at 15? In my case...I chose not to consider taking them until I was out of my teens.
If you really think success comes from a syringe, then you are out of touch with reality and what it takes to be a pro (in ANY sport) I know guys who took everything and anything they could get their hands on...and never made it out of the local level.
The role of drugs aren't forgotten...but they're not the sole rerason for anyone's success or failure, they are just ONE of many components....steroids don't train for you, diet for you, get up at 5 a.m. to do cardio, or give you the drive or determination to stick with a goal for the better part of 13 years.
You are no different than the rest of the people that try and demean someone else's accomplishments to justify your own failures.
You said you didn't even have to diet to get into the shape you were in at 17. What is all this talk about hard work and dedication. Simple fact is you are on hrt/testosterone right now as I type this..........if you came off of everything you'd shrink no matter how you diet or train. That's the bottomline. You can train and eat right and get into shape that 90% of the population wouldn't be able to........but at your size no way. The size of pros is UNATTAINALBE without drugs.
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You said you didn't even have to diet to get into the shape you were in at 17. What is all this talk about hard work and dedication. Simple fact is you are on hrt/testosterone right now as I type this..........if you came off of everything you'd shrink no matter how you diet or train. That's the bottomline. You can train and eat right and get into shape that 90% of the population wouldn't be able to........but at your size no way. The size of pros is UNATTAINALBE without drugs.
Yeah...that's true...I never dieted or did cardio for a show until I trained for the 1986 Jr. Nationals at 20 years old....I had a super high metabolism and was interested in getting bigger, not smaller from diieting (my mentality at the time)
Simple fact is...I'm on nothing as I type this, and havent been for some time....not that I'm opposed to HRT (I openly supprt it and think anyone could benefit from it) The size I have today is a result of training consistantly for oer 30 years...I'm nowhere near as big as I was when using gear and competing...but don't have to be either...I'm retired from competition.
For your last staement of attaining the size of pros....whats your point? No one is saying you can be natural and step on the Olympia stage....is this a revelation to you?
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How would you know?
Look at a few pics of pros "on" and "off". That's all you need to know. It's obvious drugs and an outstanding genetic response to drugs is what makes a pro. It's definitely true that someone with shit genetics can take all the drugs in the world and never even win a local contest, but even with Ronnie Coleman genetics, the drugs make the pro.
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Look at a few pics of pros "on" and "off". That's all you need to know. It's obvious drugs and an outstanding genetic response to drugs is what makes a pro. It's definitely true that someone with shit genetics can take all the drugs in the world and never even win a local contest, but even with Ronnie Coleman genetics, the drugs make the pro.
Assuming that drugs are an even playing field in the pro's...It would make more sense that genetics makes the pro.
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I never agree with you but I do here. Sponsorships and such have little to no effect on a company's sale costs. Products cost is determined by COS and the market. As you know, marketing is supposed to create ROI (unless you're branding) and no good company is in the hole trying to pay off their marketing bills. Again, product cost is based on r&d, ingredients, market tolerance and the economy.
I'm sure you have had conversations with Paul or Dave about this issue.
hey dude, what exactly do you do for a living?
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Bob Chick,
you have every reason to lie.... you are/were an IFBB pro, which means you lie to the public when asked about your "supplements".
IFBB pros, most of whom suffer from insecurity, cannot come to terms with the fact that the "success" comes from a syringe.
Hence idiotic terms/phrases such as "all genetics, its all about nutrition, I live for the weights" are used when asked about the secret to their success. Somehow the role of drugs are completely forgotten.
Bob, you are no different. you too are a liar.
great post and welcome to the forum
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As an IFBB pro...why would it make any difference whatsoever whether or not I was using steroids at 15? In my case...I chose not to consider taking them until I was out of my teens.
The difference is that your claim "I was all natural until....." sounds more impressive than "I started juicing from the start"
Just another method of minimizing the role of steroids in your career.
If you really think success comes from a syringe, then you are out of touch with reality and what it takes to be a pro (in ANY sport) I know guys who took everything and anything they could get their hands on...and never made it out of the local level.
I don't know any all natural bodybuilders on the olympia stage. It takes a syringe to be successful in this game. Hope you aren't foolish enough to debate that one.
The role of drugs aren't forgotten...but they're not the sole rerason for anyone's success or failure, they are just ONE of many components....steroids don't train for you, diet for you, get up at 5 a.m. to do cardio, or give you the drive or determination to stick with a goal for the better part of 13 years.
When a pro lists everything you mentioned, and forget to mention drugs, as to the reason behind his development/success. He lied.
You are no different than the rest of the people that try and demean someone else's accomplishments to justify your own failures.
If it is any consolation Bob Chick, I think you are one of the more intelligent pros.
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I'll be more than happy to take a polygraph test (at your cost, of course) anytime to put a rest to your doubts...
Pro's don't bring up the drug issue for obvious reasons...thought that was fairly obvious. They also dont give the drugs that much credit as it's a level playing field which pretty much makes it a moot point
Again, you want to debate whether or not there are guys that are natural on the Olympia stage....who's saying there are?
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I'll be more than happy to take a polygraph test (at your cost, of course) anytime to put a rest to your doubts...
Pro's don't bring up the drug issue for obvious reasons...thought that was fairly obvious. They also dont give the drugs that much credit as it's a level playing field which pretty much makes it a moot point
Again, you want to debate whether or not there are guys that are natural on the Olympia stage....who's saying there are?
Come on Bob, how would you have any idea what you did in your teens?? listen to these kids, they know what you did 25 years ago way more than you possibly could!!
on a positive note, if you ever want to have your biography written, these kids no exactly how you've ran your life! ::)
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Mirage Hotel, 1993!
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Lot of dudes here aim really low it seems.
I have no problem believing bob was natty in that pic. what did you weigh there bob,190-195 at 6ft?
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Lot of dudes here aim really low it seems.
I have no problem believing bob was natty in that pic. what did you weigh there bob,190-195 at 6ft?
At 15-16 , Probably in the 175 range...I was in the heavyweights in the teen Nationals at about 198 when I was 19
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At 15-16 , Probably in the 175 range...I was in the heavyweights in the teen Nationals at about 198 when I was 19
which makes it all the more believable, i actually was being generous on the weight...didn't want to shortchange you ;D
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Steroids are illegal and exceeding the recommended dose of a scrirpt is too. Anyone who does that is a criminal.
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Supplements suck and most of the gear going around is Chinese garbage...Many many people are going to get very sick from most of the shit that is floating around and unregulated...And all you guys eating a ECA stack non stop have a better chance of not having heart problems in the very near future if you did a gram of blow a day...
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Steroids are illegal and exceeding the recommended dose of a scrirpt is too. Anyone who does that is a criminal.
simple and plain, and the truth!
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Steroids are illegal and exceeding the recommended dose of a scrirpt is too. Anyone who does that is a criminal.
so is rolling thru stop signs and speeding
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so is rolling thru stop signs and speeding
That is a simple traffic violation, drugs are an arrestable offense you can do prison time for. Fail.
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That is a simple traffic violation, drugs are an arrestable offense you can do prison time for. Fail.
gaurentee you more people have gone to jail for speeding than for using steroids.
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Yeah...that's true...I never dieted or did cardio for a show until I trained for the 1986 Jr. Nationals at 20 years old....I had a super high metabolism and was interested in getting bigger, not smaller from diieting (my mentality at the time)
Simple fact is...I'm on nothing as I type this, and havent been for some time....not that I'm opposed to HRT (I openly supprt it and think anyone could benefit from it) The size I have today is a result of training consistantly for oer 30 years...I'm nowhere near as big as I was when using gear and competing...but don't have to be either...I'm retired from competition.
For your last staement of attaining the size of pros....whats your point? No one is saying you can be natural and step on the Olympia stage....is this a revelation to you?
u could be training for 40 years and still be stuck at 200 lbs @ 12 % if not for drugs
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u could be training for 40 years and still be stuck at 200 lbs @ 12 % if not for drugs
sorry Sev, i like you, i respect you, but disagree with you here! Bob could have been 220+ before starting drugs, and maintain 240+ for the rest of his life after quitting drugs. i've seen a lot of guys do the same thing. and i know more guys that did tons of drugs and never hit 200lbs. some guys have it, and most guys don't.
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That is a simple traffic violation, drugs are an arrestable offense you can do prison time for. Fail.
Steroids in Ireland are not arrestable for possesion,they take them off you then stare at your muscles,thats all
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They also dont give the drugs that much credit as it's a level playing field which pretty much makes it a moot point
Chick, please be honest. Isn't there a lot of shit talking among pros about what other guys are doing drug wise? Like your buddy "DA BULL" talked about Kai Greene getting sick from doing huge amounts of Cytadren and insulin and whatever the hell else. Some pros are taking chances with drugs and sometimes succeeding and I'm positive even among the pros there's jealousy and talk about drugs being the factor in someone doing especially well. If it's a totally level playing field wrt drugs why was Levrone and other pros accusing Chad for circumventing the diuretic test with other radical measures?
I have personally heard a pro talk about a couple of other pros and how drugs were responsible for their size. Not once was dedication and training and diet mentioned (eating well and training is a given) - it was how much shit they were willing to take.
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Again, normal consumers in this market don't think like that. I have worked with the companies that you talk like you know everything about. As I said above, they care about developing great products and creating cutting edge supplements. I have a feeling nothing I say will sway you and thats ok.
Of course I know I'm not the average consumer. The average consumer is a young know-nothing teen reading the ads. Which is a higher quality and purest protein: the purest whey isolate from trueprotein or Muscletech's Nitro "contains 98% pure whey isolate" Tech? You know the answer, it's obvious.
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Chick, please be honest. Isn't there a lot of shit talking among pros about what other guys are doing drug wise? Like your buddy "DA BULL" talked about Kai Greene getting sick from doing huge amounts of Cytadren and insulin and whatever the hell else. Some pros are taking chances with drugs and sometimes succeeding and I'm positive even among the pros there's jealousy and talk about drugs being the factor in someone doing especially well. If it's a totally level playing field wrt drugs why was Levrone and other pros accusing Chad for circumventing the diuretic test with other radical measures?
I have personally heard a pro talk about a couple of other pros and how drugs were responsible for their size. Not once was dedication and training and diet mentioned (eating well and training is a given) - it was how much shit they were willing to take.
Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's. In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better. Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays. That's bullshit. Training really hasn't changed all that much. All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things. There is no one secret diet or secret routine. The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs. Plain and simple. If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts! I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well. They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter. All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.
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Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays. That's bullshit.
Absolutely. I've made the same point many many times. Rice, chicken, beef, potatoes... where's the advancement and science? Nothing's changed. Some now do the Palumbo diet... hello Gironda!
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Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's. In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better. Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays. That's bullshit. Training really hasn't changed all that much. All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things. There is no one secret diet or secret routine. The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs. Plain and simple. If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts! I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well. They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter. All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.
gh15 approved,, i like this fella
the only diff between then and now are the drugs ,,mainly the hormones gh insulin and igf,,fellas like tomas prince and phil heath were and are result of products such as gh insulin and igf along with lots of others stuff,,
over the counter supplemets do not and will not work ,,they go straight to poop and pee,,few may increase strength ...IN YOUR HEAD and give yo u20 more pounds lift or some water retetnion in the midsection like creatin thus making your 10% bodyfat look like 15% but! in general nothing will happen ,,strength DOES NOT = muscle size or shape,,
plmety of 170 pounders who lift like 230 pounds,,,do they look like them? not in a life time,,,do they work as hard as them ? you better believe it if not more,,
drugs make you lazy ,,you want to sleep ,,you lift efficiently but short times,,drugs give you the ability to cheat on diet and training and i done it million times ,,
infact soem naturals on gh dont even diet..they load on gh and cut while eating out ALL THE TIME
hell many cut down from 10 to 7% by using minimal doses of gh for 3-4 weeks!! and with no aas
gh15 approved
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Drugs are 98-99%.
See Levrone, Flex, Arnold, Haney, etc... without drugs : there are totally normal.
If that is true..... why don't you load up on the sauce and you too can be just like Arnold...... You are insane to make this comment...... sure juice is a factor but so are genetics.....work ethic and knowlege of training and dieting.
You are one of these people who sits and plays the roll of the arm chair bodybuilder and you keep telling yourself that you could look just like Haney if only you would take anabolics....... please, my friend, don't talk nonsense here....please!
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u could be training for 40 years and still be stuck at 200 lbs @ 12 % if not for drugs
Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.
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If that is true..... why don't you load up on the sauce and you too can be just like Arnold...... You are insane to make this comment...... sure juice is a factor but so are genetics.....work ethic and knowlege of training and dieting.
You are one of these people who sits and plays the roll of the arm chair bodybuilder and you keep telling yourself that you could look just like Haney if only you would take anabolics....... please, my friend, don't talk nonsense here....please!
First off Arnold's genetics don't even compare to those of Levrone and Flex Wheeler. The latter are in a completely different realm genetically. Arnold started using steroids at a very young age, rumored around 15-16 possibly even 14. It was evident by the time he was 18 he had been using steroids for a significant amount of time. I can tell you without a doubt that if I used steroids at 16 and continued to do so regularly throughout my teens and early 20's I would be much bigger and much more impressive than I am now. (LOL I'm not that impressive so all you pic demanding fucktards can shut up) No I wouldn't look anything like Arnold but to say why don't you jump on the sauce and see if you look like Arnold is childish and doesn't take into account Arnold's history of using drugs. Arnold was HUGE at 18 years old. You see the offseason pics of Arnold??????? LMAO! He looks like an average joe. His legs are tiny. Arnold competed in a different era. Arnold represented the first bodybuilder to incorporate the more is better attitude of steroids, especially considering Arnold's do anything to win at all costs attitude. Plus most of the beginning steroid use came from Arnold's part of the world. I.e. Russia, europe etc.
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Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.
LOL drug testing in the 1990s is supposed to mean everyone was actually clean? Come on dude you work or the IFBB you know how drug testing goes and the history of it. Drug testing can barely keep up with all the players using in the Olympics and this is the year 2009.
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Pros are no harder working, better at training, or smarter in their eating habits than the bodybuilders from the 60's and 70's. In fact I'd say the bodybuilders from those eras probaby ate much better. Everyone acts like nutrition and training is so much more advanced nowadays. That's bullshit. Training really hasn't changed all that much. All these guys i.e. doggcrapp, etc. have just reinvented the wheel and put their own spin on things. There is no one secret diet or secret routine. The only DIFFERENCE between bodybuilders of yesterday and those of today are the drugs. Plain and simple. If you think Ronnie Coleman or Jay Cutler works harder in the gym and is any more dedicated than an Arnold, Zane, Pearl, etc. you're nuts! I would also argue that bodybuilders are MUCH LESS intuitive with their training than decades past as well. They can do just about anything and still grow because of the drugs whether it's HIT, volume, 5x5, doggcrapp it doesn't matter. All these fancy supplements are nothing extraordinary and sure as hell aren't responsible for the transition of bodybuilding physiques over the years.
Trust me...the pro's of the golden era took more shit than you can imagine. It was all over the place, REAL pharmacudical grade, cheap, and no one gave a rats ass. If you believe for one minute all ther stories of "If I took what these guys today are taking...."
There are many factors as to why the guys of today are bigger, more cut, etc....ONE of those factors is drugs....just like every other sport and why they are bigger, faster, stronger.
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LOL drug testing in the 1990s is supposed to mean everyone was actually clean? Come on dude you work or the IFBB you know how drug testing goes and the history of it. Drug testing can barely keep up with all the players using in the Olympics and this is the year 2009.
I dont know about everyone...I can only speak for myself in response to the statement of being 200 at 12% BF....
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Haha yes Arnold was a genetic freak in every sense of the word! ::)
http://westplains1.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/arnold-schwarzenegger.jpg
http://www.ironaddicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12346
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I am willing to bet we will start seeing current IFBB pros downsize a little or look less than stellar than the recent pass with Dave Jacobs getting murdered. Jacobs supplied the entire 2006-2007 Mr. Olympia line-up with real quality shit.
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Trust me...the pro's of the golden era took more shit than you can imagine. It was all over the place, REAL pharmacudical grade, cheap, and no one gave a rats ass. If you believe for one minute all ther stories of "If I took what these guys today are taking...."
There are many factors as to why the guys of today are bigger, more cut, etc....ONE of those factors is drugs....just like every other sport and why they are bigger, faster, stronger.
Grimek, Draper, Pearl hardly took more shit than I can imagine. Yes I believe they most definitely downplay their steroid use but it definitely wasn't the mind boggling amounts you make them out to be. Now Arnold, Sergio, and others were the beginning of heavy steroid use. But the golden era bodybuilders use was pretty moderate. Otherwise yes I agree with you.
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I am willing to bet we will start seeing current IFBB pros downsize a little or look less than stellar than the recent pass with Dave Jacobs getting murdered. Jacobs supplied the entire 2006-2007 Mr. Olympia line-up with real quality shit.
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You can't be serious.
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Look at the pics I posted. The progression of Arnold from a young school boy probably 13-14 years old then at 16 then at 18-19. It's insane. Anyone that thinks that type of progress is doable naturally is a fucking moron. And that was in the 50's and 60's. 40-50 YEARS AGO! But we do have our little Arnold's here on getbig that claim to be natural and make the same amount of gains he did due to them being better at eating and working out harder in the gym. LMAO!
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Grimek, Draper, Pearl hardly took more shit than I can imagine. Yes I believe they most definitely downplay their steroid use but it definitely wasn't the mind boggling amounts you make them out to be. Now Arnold, Sergio, and others were the beginning of heavy steroid use. But the golden era bodybuilders use was pretty moderate. Otherwise yes I agree with you.
how do you know?
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Please bro...I was 200 and in 5th place in the 1990 Nationals, drug tested.
and looked pretty good too.for what its worth.
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We liike to call those little things 'facts'
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In what Bizarro world would that be the case?
Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).
Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!
There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.
Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.
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In what Bizarro world would that be the case?
Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).
Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!
There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.
Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.
THATS fine and all and more power to you and your belief in your ability to get bigger clean,it will work out best for your overall health in the end,but whats being debated is how to take ones body and through anabolics taking it to the limit of size,hardness,stuff that natural food ,training,supp's can never,ever get you.security is the key word,in yourself to get in shape and to forget about flex magazine,muscle mag's take on how to be a pro through such and such proven methods.either natural or enhanced there will always be someone bigger,better,than you.
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In what Bizarro world would that be the case?
Fact: I don’t use and have never used anabolic steroids (closest I’ve come was Andro and Nor-Andro back in the late 90s……..AFTER I’d already bulked up to 230 WITHOUT THEM).
Fact: The reason I was able to finally get my ectomorphic body over 200 lbs was because I increased my protein intake. Particularly speaking, it was the spring semester of college back in '96......from 189 to 210 in one semester, consuming regular food, weight gainer (Super Mega Mass 2000/Giant Mega Mass 4000) and protein powder (GNC Challenge Milk and Egg). THAT'S IT!!!
There was no whining about not having 'roids, no blubbering about who was injecting what and how much for how long, no bleating about only being to process "X" grams of protein per meal, etc. Ironically enough, it was when I returned that fall to school that some folks were asking if I was using anabolics.
Again, Ronnie's famous saying appears to apply to more than just weights. In short, quit bleating and start "eating". Quit whining and start dining. Stop wailing and cryin' and start hitting that iron.
Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally. Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense. You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally. Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s" THEN you decided to try prohormones? Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones?
I'll tell you why. Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight. However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time. I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year. LOL. I can put an inch on my arms in several months. But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with. I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you. I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too. Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs.
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Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally. Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense. You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally. Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s" THEN you decided to try prohormones? Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones?
I'll tell you why. Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight. However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time. I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year. LOL. I can put an inch on my arms in several months. But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with. I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you. I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too. Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs.
i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids. i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.
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i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids. i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.
oh oh watersports
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Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally. Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense. You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally. Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s" THEN you decided to try prohormones? Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones?
It makes a lot of sense, if you know more of what actually happened. Unfortunately, fall semesters at school were horrible, because it usually took about 2 months for me to get my financial aid/scholarship money. In hindsight, I should have taken a part-time job. Anyway, with no extra food (outside what was in the cafeteria) and no weight gainer or protein powder, my weight DROPPED.
Therefore, by the time I got my money, I had to regain my lost size. Only after that, did I end up surpassing my previous bodyweight.
The "late 90s" would be 1997, the first time I got up to 231 lbs. The transition from school to home (for the summer) cost me about 10 lbs, until I got a summer job. I got that lost weight back and added a little more.
As for the prohormone thing, a local supplement vendor (at a neighboring college) was selling my favorite weight gainer (N-Large; I switched to that from Mega Mass, that year) for cheaper than GNC had it at the time. He also had some Andro there, which was cheaper as well. Having heard good things about it, I decided to give it a try. At that time, my weight was around 235-240. The issue wasn't "need".
I'll tell you why. Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight. However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time. I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year. LOL. I can put an inch on my arms in several months. But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with. I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you. I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too. Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs.
First of all, it's hardly EASY (at least, for me) to bulk up and put on weight. The reason I was able to do it is because I made modifications to my diet and STUCK with it, no matter how miserable I felt at times.
I wasn't aiming for "best abs of the year". Abs were hardly a concern of mine. In fact, my issue was that my abs were just about the ONLY muscles that were significantly developed at that time. I wanted more size and strength. So, I changed my diet and obtained them. I looked and felt much better at 210 than at 189 and got a healthy share of compliments for my improvements.
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They charge so much because they have a huge marketing drive,thats what Im saying
How do you think MuscleTech got its huge marketing drive, in the first place? People forget that MuscleTech started with just three supplements: Hydroxycut (HCA & Ma Huang-based fat-burner), Acetabolan (ALC & Glutamine-based anti-catabolic supplement), and Creatine 6000-ES (creatine w/amino acids for better absorption).
Then came CELL-TECH, Meso-Tech, the prohormones.....you know the rest.
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i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids. i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.
::) Piss tests don't mean shit bro. Anyone can bulk up and look like QuakerOats. But to look like a bodybuilder with 20 inch arms takes drugs for most people. Hell I know powerlifters that are natural that have 20 inch arms. But if they ever dieted down to bodybuilding shape they'd lose probably 2-3 inches on their arms.
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I'll be more than happy to take a polygraph test (at your cost, of course) anytime to put a rest to your doubts...
Pro's don't bring up the drug issue for obvious reasons...thought that was fairly obvious. They also dont give the drugs that much credit as it's a level playing field which pretty much makes it a moot point
I'm sure you would find a way to beat the test, if you were administered one. After all, cheating is part of your former noble profession.
IFBB Pro's are ashamed/embarrassed to admit their "accomplishments" come from a syringe, an illegal one at that. I agree with you on that.
Why do pros (their ghostwriters) talk about nutrition and weight training routines, if everyone has access to them? Isn't a moot point?
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i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids. i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.
first of all you dont weigh 240,,more like 220 -230 second your body fat % is high as in 15-20% somewhere there if i had to guess with out seeing lower back and abdominal section your body fat is somewhere at 18% ,,now this is not bad true but anyone can get there at 6 feet ,,220 230 18-20% is achiavble naturally at 6 feet but even for that you work hard as you can tell
now im not argue here on exact numbers but you are nio where low double digit body fat% and as van b said before your back point to the use of hormones before then again,,you never posted a picture where you body is seen relaxed the whole torso ,,then i can tell you to the t what you been on and if you ever been on ,,you can test me by posting a full picture,,i wil point you to the products duration of intake and doses,,i suggest you try
gh15 approved
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I'm sure you would find a way to beat the test, if you were administered one. After all, cheating is part of your former noble profession.
IFBB Pro's are ashamed/embarrassed to admit their "accomplishments" come from a syringe, an illegal one at that. I agree with you on that.
Why do pros (their ghostwriters) talk about nutrition and weight training routines, if everyone has access to them? Isn't a moot point?
beating tests,,,i only done it in the last 15 years none stop with plenty of bodybuilders including myself,,the easiest thing is to beat a test,,as i said before bodybuilders are better than doctores since they know what they take and how it works on their body ,,atleast the sucesful ones,,if not they hire the guys who do ,,
it is very very easy to cheat with oral products,,the half life in nothing,,then you got test suspension the favorite among anyone who compete in a tested show,,you got plenty of other products,,
and ofcourse gh is run in the system all the time,,how can someone tell you not to take insulin ? maybe you need it
? every one in america is diabetic ...,,bodybuilders are liars,,everything they tell you always multiply by 3,,
they say 1 gram ,,in reality it means 3,,,they say 6 units of gh ,, in reality it means 18
why would a bodybuilder that wanna be top and dont want high competition for limited price ..would tell you anything to begin with ?? this is very small industry and very few spots on the top ,,guys will kill for getting somewhere in this industry ,,lieing is nothing
you have tour de france skinny winner lance armstrong lie about his all wins there,,he was doped in every single time he competed,,and thats a skinny guy on epo ,,
200 5-6% 5'11 is hormonized,,PERIOD
i have quite the surprize for you fellas just to being you back to earth ,,,5'11 200 8% is hormonized too and to be real real honst with you ...200 5'11 10% is hormonized too:)
it all comes to duration and times and doses and experience in the gym and with the hormones,,
dont let any one sell you crap! you already saw what the bodybuilder look like when he is off for real ,,you saw levrone,,,you saw yates which is still on ,,you saw thomas prince,,you see the murderer,,you see it all white and black and black on white
there is abdolutely no diff between the professional and average joe BESIDE THE RESPOND TO HORMONES AND THE MUSCLE SHAPE and in today generation muscle shape dont count ,,only size and condition
gh15 approved
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Fact is you'll never look like a steroid using bodybuilder naturrally. Anyways your post makes absolutely zero sense. You went from 189-210 in 1996 naturally. Then you went up to 230lbs naturally in "late 90s" THEN you decided to try prohormones? Why at 230lbs and having gained over 51 lbs in a few years would you ever think you needed prohormones?
I'll tell you why. Because again it's EASY to bulk up and put on weight. However, putting on solid muscle is much harder and takes a long time. I guarantee you putting on 20lbs of weight during a semester at college is going to win you best abs of the year. LOL. I can put an inch on my arms in several months. But the minute I start dieting I'll lose it just as fast because it was never real muscle to begin with. I'm not saying your gains were futile or weren't solid, and more power to you. I highly doubt you're as ectomorphic as you claim to be too. Would be interested in seeing your progression pics up to 230lbs.
great post!
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try and demean someone else's accomplishments to justify your own failures.
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I'm sure you would find a way to beat the test, if you were administered one. After all, cheating is part of your former noble profession.
IFBB Pro's are ashamed/embarrassed to admit their "accomplishments" come from a syringe, an illegal one at that. I agree with you on that.
Why do pros (their ghostwriters) talk about nutrition and weight training routines, if everyone has access to them? Isn't a moot point?
The offer is still open....tough to beat a polygraph test, especially with no notice.
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People who load up on Valium will pass a polygraph test everytime!
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People who load up on Valium will pass a polygraph test everytime!
Not true...I worked in the court system and seen many people stoned, on valium, etc. still failed
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Not true...I worked in the court system and seen many people stoned, on valium, etc. still failed
there's one drug taht i know works, i believe the oklahoma city bombing guy took it and was able to pass his polygraph.
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Maybe so. Just know that if you can medicate accordingly to keep blood pressure and anxiety levels stabilised then anything is possible!
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beating tests,,,i only done it in the last 15 years none stop with plenty of bodybuilders including myself,,the easiest thing is to beat a test,,as i said before bodybuilders are better than doctores since they know what they take and how it works on their body ,,atleast the sucesful ones,,if not they hire the guys who do ,,
it is very very easy to cheat with oral products,,the half life in nothing,,then you got test suspension the favorite among anyone who compete in a tested show,,you got plenty of other products,,
and ofcourse gh is run in the system all the time,,how can someone tell you not to take insulin ? maybe you need it
? every one in america is diabetic ...,,bodybuilders are liars,,everything they tell you always multiply by 3,,
they say 1 gram ,,in reality it means 3,,,they say 6 units of gh ,, in reality it means 18
why would a bodybuilder that wanna be top and dont want high competition for limited price ..would tell you anything to begin with ?? this is very small industry and very few spots on the top ,,guys will kill for getting somewhere in this industry ,,lieing is nothing
you have tour de france skinny winner lance armstrong lie about his all wins there,,he was doped in every single time he competed,,and thats a skinny guy on epo ,,
200 5-6% 5'11 is hormonized,,PERIOD
i have quite the surprize for you fellas just to being you back to earth ,,,5'11 200 8% is hormonized too and to be real real honst with you ...200 5'11 10% is hormonized too:)
it all comes to duration and times and doses and experience in the gym and with the hormones,,
dont let any one sell you crap! you already saw what the bodybuilder look like when he is off for real ,,you saw levrone,,,you saw yates which is still on ,,you saw thomas prince,,you see the murderer,,you see it all white and black and black on white
there is abdolutely no diff between the professional and average joe BESIDE THE RESPOND TO HORMONES AND THE MUSCLE SHAPE and in today generation muscle shape dont count ,,only size and condition
gh15 approved
if Lance was taking EPO the french testers would have gone nuts on him, they hate him and their the testers, you clearly are a fkucing goose.
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if Lance was taking EPO the french testers would have gone nuts on him, they hate him and their the testers, you clearly are a fkucing goose.
Sorry, but there are many many ways to conceal drugs in tests or pass the tests. Armstrong is clealry an expert in this. There are also form of EPO that aren't tested for.
He was caught with EPO a few times but always got out of it through a legal suit or other stuff.
Armstrong is on Test, EPO and god knows what all the time.
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Sorry, but there are many many ways to conceal drugs in tests or pass the tests. Armstrong is clealry an expert in this. There are also form of EPO that aren't tested for.
He was caught with EPO a few times but always got out of it through a legal suit or other stuff.
Armstrong is on Test, EPO and god knows what all the time.
isnt he allowed to take test cause of his missing ball?
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isnt he allowed to take test cause of his missing ball?
i don't know, but that is the most ridiculous thing.
He takes a lot of medication "against" the cancer, i bet a few of them are good for passing the drug tests.
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i think lance would still win if everyone didnt use drugs including himself
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i weigh 240 and I've NEVER taken steroids. i will gladly piss in a cup to prove it anytime anywhere.
LOL, 240 at what... 38% bf ??
in contest shape you wouldn't break 160
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LOL, 240 at what... 38% bf ??
in contest shape you wouldn't break 160
It really cracks me off that some people never seem to get that.
All those 240 lbs natural "bodybuilders" that are fat permabulkers that would look like a stick at a good bf%. (not necessarily talking about Groink here)
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I'm natural and i once weighed 242lbs...........
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I'm natural and i once weighed 242lbs...........
(http://www.mayyoubeforeveryoung.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/obese2.jpg)
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(http://www.mayyoubeforeveryoung.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/obese2.jpg)
Pretty much....... ;D
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here's what a 242 lbs natural looks like.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/2600997882_8d4c1e305b.jpg)
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here's what a 242 lbs natural looks like.
i was a 250lb natural bodybuilder with 15% bf max when i was around 17 or 18 years old, no abs but no lovehandles at all. honest. i used steroids once but didnt gain shit except strength.
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i was a 250lb natural bodybuilder with 15% bf max when i was around 17 or 18 years old, no abs but no lovehandles at all. honest. i used steroids once but didnt gain shit except strength.
pics or it didn't happen.
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here's what a 242 lbs natural looks like.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3235/2600997882_8d4c1e305b.jpg)
pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,
consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!
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pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,
consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!
totally agree.
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pics or it didn't happen.
beleive me i was.
if i dieted down i probably would have had massive 17 inch guns, my arms were 18.5 at 250. a lot of the weight was in my legs, i had 31inch quads. i was a solid 250, not a pro bber 250 though, nothing like that, but i was bigger than most juicers easy. i am telling the truth.
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pretty much,,this is what natural 240 looks like you are right ,, can have more muscle density but it will be cover with fat very close to the picture shown,,
consider yourself lucky if you can be 180-190lb at true 10% naturally at a height of 5'9,,LUCKY!
bullshit. you can build a a lot of muscle as a natural with the right genetics, of course not at a low body fat but 13-15% bf you can be 240 of solid muscle easy and no lovehandles like that.
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beleive me i was.
if i dieted down i probably would have had massive 17 inch guns, my arms were 18.5 at 250. a lot of the weight was in my legs, i had 31inch quads. i was a solid 250, not a pro bber 250 though, nothing like that, but i was bigger than most juicers easy. i am telling the truth.
no hating, but how come there are so many people on this board who are 240 @ 10% bf and we never see a pic?
I haven't seen a 250lbs natural with a good bf level in my life.
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bullshit. you can build a a lot of muscle as a natural with the right genetics, of course not at a low body fat but 13-15% bf you can be 240 of solid muscle easy and no lovehandles like that.
no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is not a nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-25% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,
your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long
there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population
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Sorry, but there are many many ways to conceal drugs in tests or pass the tests. Armstrong is clealry an expert in this. There are also form of EPO that aren't tested for.
He was caught with EPO a few times but always got out of it through a legal suit or other stuff.
Armstrong is on Test, EPO and god knows what all the time.
So he is a genius at passing tests, he take's synthetic testosterone because he has one ball and a version of EPO that only he knows about and he passed all the tests because he took what exactly? I would love to know, you seem to have a brilliant mind and a wealth of knowledge that us kids would know nothing about.
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no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is ot an nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-35% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,
your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long
there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population
i am 6 feet tall and was 250-255 on a full stomach at around 15%bf, no lovehandles. most of the time i was the strongest and biggest guy in the gym, and i was only 17-18 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt. i used 750mg test e a week and gained absolutely nothing but strength(it was human grade fyi)
look at goudy, he is natural and has a lot of muscle. bigger than most juicers and he is also fairly lean...it all depends on genetics. you have people like billyguns, 240, etc, but not all are like that.
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So he is a genius at passing tests, he take's synthetic testosterone because he has one ball and a version of EPO that only he knows about and he passed all the tests because he took what exactly? I would love to know, you seem to have a brilliant mind and a wealth of knowledge that us kids would know nothing about.
no need to hate here, i just state was has been rumored in the media all these years.
Here's a bit on EPO testing:
To prevent a possible misuse of rHuEpo, this is tested in urine samples collected from athletes by World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) accredited laboratories. Recently the test has met serious critiques, and the aims of the present study were to investigate the detection power of the test as well as the variability in the test power comparing the results of two WADA accredited laboratories. Methods: Eight human subjects were studied for seven weeks and treated with rHuEpo for four weeks with two weeks of "boosting" followed by two weeks of "maintenance" and a post period of three weeks. Urine samples were obtained during all periods.
Results: Laboratory A determined rHuEpo misuse in all subjects during the "boosting" period, whereas Laboratory B found no misuse, with one sample to be negative, and the remaining seven to be suspicious. The detection rates decreased throughout the maintenance and post period when total hemoglobin mass and exercise performance were elevated. During this period, laboratory A found only two out of 24 samples to be positive, and three to be suspicious, and laboratory B found no positive or suspicious samples. Conclusion: This study demonstrates a poor agreement in test results comparing two WADA accredited laboratories. Moreover, after the initial rHuEpo "boosting" period the power to detect rHuEpo misuse during the maintenance and post periods appears minimal.
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/06/wada-and-tdf-epo-test-flushed-by-danish.html
More stuff here:
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/
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i am 6 feet tall and was 250-255 on a full stomach at around 15%bf, no lovehandles. most of the time i was the strongest and biggest guy in the gym, and i was only 17-18 yrs old with 3 years training under my belt. i used 750mg test e a week and gained absolutely nothing but strength(it was human grade fyi)
look at goudy, he is natural and has a lot of muscle. bigger than most juicers and he is also fairly lean...it all depends on genetics. you have people like billyguns, 240, etc, but not all are like that.
NO NO NO
WRONG! how may times i tell you kids the smae thing,,
groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3 6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,
i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,
there is no 240 in good shape naturally NOT EXIST at heigh of 5'10 or anything under 6 feet,,even 6 feet naturally at 15 % will be 220 the best of the best !! trust me you were 20% if you ever been 250 at 18 at 6 feet ,,infact ill go and say you were over 20 % since 18 year olds white boys at 6 feet that are 240 -250 are usually running at 18-25% actualy body fat ,,some of them have the muscle under but the momne tthey truly diet down to 6 % they are back to a misereble 175lb at 6 feet
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NO NO NO
WRONG! how may times i tell you kids the smae thing,,
groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3 6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,
i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,
there is no 240 in good shape naturally NOT EXIST at heigh of 5'10 or anything under 6 feet,,even 6 feet naturally at 15 % will be 220 the best of the best !! trust me you were 20% if you ever been 250 at 18 at 6 feet ,,infact ill go and say you were over 20 % since 18 year olds white boys at 6 feet that are 240 -250 are usually running at 18-25% actualy body fat ,,some of them have the muscle under but the momne tthey truly diet down to 6 % they are back to a misereble 175lb at 6 feet
i guess it all depends what you consider 'good shape'...if i dieted down naturally im sure my physique would not have been anything impressive, 17 inch arms etc.... but i was a solid 245-250. 20% bf is fat.
this is 20%bf, i was nowhere near this chunky, i had no globs of fat
(http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?s=5806cfe57e22c4af698c5f0ae02ca6fb&attachmentid=16463&d=1159899758)
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goudy has a great natural physique
(http://flashrob.com/mrgb2/goudy/mostmusc.jpg)
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i guess it all depends what you consider 'good shape'...if i dieted down naturally im sure my physique would not have been anything impressive, 17 inch arms etc.... but i was a solid 245-250. 20% bf is fat.
this is 20%bf, i was nowhere near this chunky, i had no globs of fat
(http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/attachment.php?s=5806cfe57e22c4af698c5f0ae02ca6fb&attachmentid=16463&d=1159899758)
BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...
PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS
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no hating, but how come there are so many people on this board who are 240 @ 10% bf and we never see a pic?
I haven't seen a 250lbs natural with a good bf level in my life.
QFT
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goudy has a great natural physique
(http://flashrob.com/mrgb2/goudy/mostmusc.jpg)
CORRECT
GOOD PHYSIQE,,ONLY AN ANTENA AND STAND AT 9-10% IN THIS PICTURE WITH A GOOD ABDOMINAL DEVELOPMENT,,TURN HIM AROUND AND YOU WOTN SEE NO XMAS TREE OR ANY LOWER BACK DEVELOPMENT,,IT IS 9-10% WITH SOME GOOD MUSCLE AND SOME NOT SO GOOD
NEVER THE LESS HE LOOK GOOD FOR NATURAL ONLY TOO TALL TO DO ANY DAMAGE
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BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...
PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS
So simple it's brilliant. This is turning into an owning of massive proportions.
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BECAUSE YOU HAD MORE MUSCLE MASS YOU MORON,,WHEN ONE HAS MORE MUSCLE MASS THE FAT SITS ON HIM BETTER ,,FAT CAN BE IN THE MUSCLE AND IN BETWEEN THE MUSCLE AND SKIN ,,THIS FELLA YOU SHOW LOOK LIKE 22% AND HAS NO IDEA ABOUT TRAINING,,YOU BEEN IN GYM 3 YEARS AND HAD KNOWLEDGE OF TRAINING AS IN TRAINED...
PROPORTIONALLY TO HIM YOU HAD SAME BODY FAT IT ONLY LOOKED BETTER BECAUE YOU ALSO WERE 240 AND HAD MORE MORE MUSCLE ,,A LOT MORE MUSCLE SINCE THIS FELLA IS 160 POUNDS
you may be right, but still the more muscle you have the more pounds of bodyfat you need to get the same bf %. i was tested at 14% with calipers when i was 235. these weights i am giving is in the afternoon after meals and PWO protein shake and with shoes on, never weighed in the morning so give or take 5lbs maybe a bit more. i probably could have dieted down to 205-210 ripped.
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groudy is over 6 feet he is 6'3 6'2 or 6'4 he is only 230 or close to it and he is not lean !!! he is at 13 % from the one picture i seen of him on a regular basis 12-15% ,,
i told you million times before every inch = 7 pounds on a male you do the math ,,
So lets say he is 6 feet tall or 72 inches. By your formula of 7 lbs per inch 72 x 7 = 504 lbs
??? Confused
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So lets say he is 6 feet tall or 72 inches. By your formula of 7 lbs per inch 72 x 7 = 504 lbs
??? Confused
Nevermind that, Jason, just keep on doing what you are doing.
you may be right, but still the more muscle you have the more pounds of bodyfat you need to get the same bf %. i was tested at 14% with calipers when i was 235. these weights i am giving is in the afternoon after meals and PWO protein shake and with shoes on, never weighed in the morning so give or take 5lbs maybe a bit more. i probably could have dieted down to 205-210 ripped.
how many folds measured with the calipers?
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no ,,not possible,, at 20-25% yes you can ,,240 was there from this board if i remember correctly i once read he was there,,yes its possible naturally with 20-25% body fat which is not a nice site,,and usually people who say they are 20-25% are in reality close to 30% and ofcourse obese to the 10th degree,,
your 240 didnt look anything lik ejuicer,,big huge diff ,,you may have had big legs same as fat americans have big calves but they are still fat obese,,what are you a moron? can you see the american guys walking around fat as pigs with huge calves ,,,they are naturals ,,they just have big calves cause they walk on their fat bodies all day long
there is no 200+ at 10% or under natural unless youre over 6 feet and even the over 6 feet are the one with prime built and not many of them around in relashion to the population
I would agree here. I've been lifting and playing rugby since i was 15. When I was playing in college I was 246lbs (6' tall)..football / linebacker build. No six pack but no gross gut ( i consider gross not being able to see the top line of your pubic hair if you stood up straight and looked down) either and I was 24-26%.
When I leaned out the year after, I had to have a super clean (bland, gross) and 1+ hrs of cardio a day (not including practice / games), 6 days a week (and it took me 10 months) I was 224lbs @ 14%..very low for me. It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get low single digit bf % (and keep decent muscle) without "chemical help" (or surgery) for some genetics..me included.
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Nevermind that, Jason, just keep on doing what you are doing.
how many folds measured with the calipers?
dont remember
I would agree here. I've been lifting and playing rugby since i was 15. When I was playing in college I was 246lbs (6' tall)..football / linebacker build. No six pack but no gross gut ( i consider gross not being able to see the top line of your pubic hair if you stood up straight and looked down) either and I was 24-26%.
When I leaned out the year after, I had to have a super clean (bland, gross) and 1+ hrs of cardio a day (not including practice / games), 6 days a week (and it took me 10 months) I was 224lbs @ 14%..very low for me. It is damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get low single digit bf % (and keep decent muscle) without "chemical help" (or surgery) for some genetics..me included.
it took you ten months to get down to 14%bf? there's no way you could have been all that strict with your diet
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dont remember
See?
You can measure ten fold or three fold.
I can measure you 2 fold at 5% bf or tenfold at 25%. ;)
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See?
You can measure ten fold or three fold.
I can measure you 2 fold at 5% bf or tenfold at 25%. ;)
I don't even know what that means to be honest
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dont rememberit took you ten months to get down to 14%bf? there's no way you could have been all that strict with your diet
Ok..maybe strict was a little extreme. I meant College strict (beer not included)...lol
I'd say it was fairly clean...minus most Saturdays. Still, my body is VERY stubborn with it's fat (Irish / Scot / Samoan genetics?). I have to do some extreme shit to get single digits...not worth it to me. But hey, to each his own. It did teach me to respect the work / dedication other put in to get there.
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i think the more muscle you have the FATTER you look at the same bf%.
take two gusy at 20%bf. one is muscular 240. one is no muscle 160. to the general public, the 160lber look like average dude, not fat or not skinnny. but the 240lb guy will look fat to everybody.
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I don't even know what that means to be honest
One in german, only for the pic:
http://www.gsfood.ch/falten-fettmessung-ct-206-2.html
http://www.topendsports.com/testing/tests/skinfolds.htm
Good advice:
description / procedure: Estimation of body fat by skinfold thickness measurement. Measurement can use from 3 to 9 different standard anatomical sites around the body. The right side is usually only measured (for consistency). The tester pinches the skin at the appropriate site to raise a double layer of skin and the underlying adipose tissue, but not the muscle. The calipers are then applied 1 cm below and at right angles to the pinch, and a reading in millimeters (mm) taken two seconds later. The mean of two measurements should be taken. If the two measurements differ greatly, a third should then be done, then the median value taken
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Bad advice
measuring skinfold1. When using the caliper you gently pinch a skinfold with your thumb and index finger.
2. 1-2 cm aside from your fingers you place the measuring tips of the caliper.
3. Release the caliper and wait 1-2 seconds before you make the reading on the calipers scale.
4. Repeat an additional 2 times at the same spot. Use the average of the 3 readings.
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It really cracks me off that some people never seem to get that.
All those 240 lbs natural "bodybuilders" that are fat permabulkers that would look like a stick at a good bf%. (not necessarily talking about Groink here)
Mike Arvilla proved this to all of us (as much as I love the guy!) and he was on gear!!!
he went from a big 270+ to a contest weight of (if I remember correctly) 207 or 206 and he was JUICED.
guys like fat Dave and this guy always fail to realize how much work it takes and how many lbs. you lose getting down to 5% bf there is a formula for it somewhere on the net, I think it's something like 5-6lbs for each percent of BF (depending on height I guess).
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Mike Arvilla proved this to all of us (as much as I love the guy!) and he was on gear!!!
he went from a big 270+ to a contest weight of (if I remember correctly) 207 or 206 and he was JUICED.
guys like fat Dave and this guy always fail to realize how much work it takes and how many lbs. you lose getting down to 5% bf there is a formula for it somewhere on the net, I think it's something like 5-6lbs for each percent of BF (depending on height I guess).
BRAVO!! you my friend are getting gh15 special student of the year virtuality award for knowing your shit!
it is 10 pounds for each 2% body fat/water loss,,,yes it is!,, meaining a fella 230lb at 12% will be on stage190-195lb 4-5% at pre judsging and then boom 200lb at the night show ! after carbing up ,,
ofcourse this is ON HORMONES ,,
no hoemones? youll never seee 4 or 5 % ,,the elite skin tone fellas which are asian may see 5% but will be 6 feet 155-160lb which is just too small
no hormones = no bodybuilding in THIS DAY AND AGE
gh15 approved
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Actually gentlemen the more fat you lose, the remaining fat will hold more percentage points. So those numbers would work under very limited conditions.
Losing 15lbs of fat at 20% bf is much different than losing 15lbs of fat at 10% bf, you would lose a greater percentage in the latter.
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Actually gentlemen the more fat you lose, the remaining fat will hold more percentage points. So those numbers would work under very limited conditions.
Losing 15lbs of fat at 20% bf is much different than losing 15lbs of fat at 10% bf, you would lose a greater percentage in the latter.
trus tme on that ,,for 9 out of 10 competitors amatuer and pro no matter what level :
start weigfht 250 end weight 200 always 35-50 lb loss depending on the final bodyfat% ones hold,,the one who actually get to 4% which is absolutely very very hard to get to lose a good 45 50 pounds ,,the ones who can get by with 6 % and many amatuers do lose 35 or sp pounds ,,
that is you start at a decent 10-15 % and not 20 % because if you are truly 20-25% it will be a lot lmore than 50 lb to step on stage ,,
gh15 approved
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i looked my best at 220 now i'm 245 :'(
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BRAVO!! you my friend are getting gh15 special student of the year virtuality award for knowing your shit!
gh15 approved
Van B, you better up your game. Capt Eq is closing in on your position as gh15's number 1.
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Van B, you better up your game. Capt Eq is closing in on your position as gh15's number 1.
LOL! ;)
I always agreed with and respected what gh15 has said and written, he is after all, the god of hormones :)
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Mike Arvilla proved this to all of us (as much as I love the guy!) and he was on gear!!!
he went from a big 270+ to a contest weight of (if I remember correctly) 207 or 206 and he was JUICED.
guys like fat Dave and this guy always fail to realize how much work it takes and how many lbs. you lose getting down to 5% bf there is a formula for it somewhere on the net, I think it's something like 5-6lbs for each percent of BF (depending on height I guess).
Thanks.