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Jack I think you look pretty good now. You definately need to get more shredded but you got time. Keep up the good work Jack. You already look better than Bob did at the masters. But Bob knows CHRISTMAS came early for him this year
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Jack I hope you realise that you are talking about yourself at the 3rd person ;D
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Jack I hope you realise that you are talking about yourself at the 3rd person ;D
It's a quote from a getbigger...
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ok :)
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Jack,
All jokes aside man, are you all right? The last time a friend of mine started to refer to himself in the 3rd person, he quickly committed suicide hours later. Maybe Jack was trying to use one of his gimmick accounts to make this thread and forgot to log off of Rhino290?
Really, Jack, it's over, don't worry about Chick anymore he was just fvcking around,
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P.S. Kick ass at the NOC
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jack loves chick :)
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Jack,
All jokes aside man, are you all right? The last time a friend of mine started to refer to himself in the 3rd person, he quickly committed suicide hours later. Maybe Jack was trying to use one of his gimmick accounts to make this thread and forgot to log off of Rhino290?
Really, Jack, it's over, don't worry about Chick anymore he was just fvcking around,
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P.S. Kick ass at the NOC
Thanks, got it.
I figured it out by yesterday, that he is fucking around, so am I.
Low carb diet makes it hard to deal, but all in all, I'm cool.
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Jack I think you look pretty good now. You definately need to get more shredded but you got time. Keep up the good work Jack. You already look better than Bob did at the masters. But Bob knows CHRISTMAS came early for him this year
Great, now I know who stole my missing bee pollen tablets
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Great, now I know who stole my missing bee pollen tablets
You better leave those alone, there making your nipples puffy.
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like your jpg title what: Vincerator. LOL Nice one. :)
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Rhino,
that quote makes you look like your melting down after already having melted down. the fact is even musclememory now has your win recorded.
your proof, in the eyes of most has been established. chicks apology post is his attempt to go for this kill in this owning. its like a childs first win, he could almost sense victory. at the end of the day though, the facts backed you up. throw in alittle 240 to take jabs at chick and chick goes right back to where he started, looking for his first getbig win.
anyways, can i ask a question. who is the pro BigAnt? since it was his post way back when this was brought up before that made some beleive. although i must admit, i was not one of them until now.
also for the record. you could NOT beat chick in a contest.
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The moment that Chic said "thread over, I win, nothing else to tlak about", you knew he had realized that:
1) Evidence of the National win had been presented
2) The 'owning' thread had backfired on him
3) He wouldn't take the ten grand bet from jack
4) Another one blows up in Chic's face.
Bob is not the type to end a thread in which he is winning. The moment he asks a thread to end, it is because he has been presented with an arguement he cannot answer.
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The moment that Chic said "thread over, I win, nothing else to tlak about", you knew he had realized that:
1) Evidence of the National win had been presented
2) The 'owning' thread had backfired on him
3) He wouldn't take the ten grand bet from jack
4) Another one blows up in Chic's face.
Bob is not the type to end a thread in which he is winning. The moment he asks a thread to end, it is because he has been presented with an arguement he cannot answer.
the thing is he sense victory. he could sense the momentum going in his favor. but he couldnt just relax, he went for the kill, and as you said numbers 1-4 happened.
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Rhino, under how man accounts do you post on GetBig? It's obviously more than you can handle... ;D
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the thing is he sense victory. he could sense the momentum going in his favor. but he couldnt just relax, he went for the kill, and as you said numbers 1-4 happened.
Yep. I was sitting there looking at the proof and just went about my day. I figured he would wear himself out. I returned a few hours later and saw he had been hamming it up for a few hours, digging jack nonstop.
So, I posted the proof and argument. He was instantly proven incorrect. Tim Fogarty agreed with the legitimacy of the proof. Bob was instantly proven wrong and made to look the fool after a day of gloating.
So, he decided it was time to end the thread.
Bob, I don't like to argue with you. I tried to avoid the issue, but you were way off base insulting Rhino like that. I don't expect you to admit that you were wrong and apologize to jack- but you should.
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The moment that Chic said "thread over, I win, nothing else to tlak about", you knew he had realized that:
1) Evidence of the National win had been presented
2) The 'owning' thread had backfired on him
3) He wouldn't take the ten grand bet from jack
4) Another one blows up in Chic's face.
Bob is not the type to end a thread in which he is winning. The moment he asks a thread to end, it is because he has been presented with an arguement he cannot answer.
Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
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I think this can only be settled one way......into the cage with both of you, 2 men enter, one man leaves. Fight to the finish.
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
but chick...who is the ifbb pro BigAnt, or is he not a pro. he seems to verify he was there, and did so earlier this year when this subject was brought up.
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Chick, he couldn't have competed and taken 3rd at the world championships without winning the national show the year before.
Also you are doubting the word of Bob Gruskin here.
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
Um excuse me, I competed in this show, my name is mickey mouse...my pics are everywhere, stfu mouthpiece
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Chick, he couldn't have competed and taken 3rd at the world championships without winning the national show the year before.
Also you are doubting the word of Bob Gruskin here.
Sure he could have...special invite, exception to the rules, they needed the bodies....
Still waiting for you to address the other issues raised...
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
I'm not going down this road, Bob.
Gruskin verified that Jack won the overall and went on to compete at the Worlds, taking 3rd.
You've smeared jack with no proof. You've insulted Gruskin's word. You've insulted Tim Fogarty's MuscleMemory site's credibility. you're now making up scenarios with zero proof which insult the legitimacy of the World Championships. All for a cause which has nothing to do with you, which you won't accept a wager on.
Stop acting like a fool. you're 42 years old and you're making things up on mesage boards to bash someone from a rival federation. Fucking pathetic.
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I'm not going down this road, Bob.
Gruskin verified that Jack won the overall and went on to compete at the Worlds, taking 3rd.
You've smeared jack with no proof. You've insulted Gruskin's word. you're now making up scenarios with zero proof which insult the legitimacy of the World Championships. All for a cause which has nothing to do with you, which you won't accept a wager on.
Stop acting like a fool. you're 42 years old and you're making things up on mesage boards to bash someone from a rival federation. Fucking pathetic.
KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm not going down this road, Bob.
Gruskin verified that Jack won the overall and went on to compete at the Worlds, taking 3rd.
You've smeared jack with no proof. You've insulted Gruskin's word. you're now making up scenarios with zero proof which insult the legitimacy of the World Championships. All for a cause which has nothing to do with you, which you won't accept a wager on.
Stop acting like a fool. you're 42 years old and you're making things up on mesage boards to bash someone from a rival federation. Fucking pathetic.
i've been trying to give Bobster the benefit of the doubt lately but this stuff with Jack is just insane, what is Bob's problem with Rhino? Rhino has proven that he won the show, just give him some credit Bob.
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i've been trying to give Bobster the benefit of the doubt lately but this stuff with Jack is just insane, what is Bob's problem with Rhino? Rhino has proven that he won the show, just give him some credit Bob.
That won't happen
Bob is Bob.
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i've been trying to give Bobster the benefit of the doubt lately but this stuff with Jack is just insane, what is Bob's problem with Rhino? Rhino has proven that he won the show, just give him some credit Bob.
It's all about the ifbb. They got Vince back, Vinny Back, now they are trying to discredit me.
Everybody knows I won the show.... fuck him.
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Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic. It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win. And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him. I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations. I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.
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Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic. It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win. And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him. I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations. I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.
And finally, the truth.......
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I'm not going down this road, Bob.
Gruskin verified that Jack won the overall and went on to compete at the Worlds, taking 3rd.
You've smeared jack with no proof. You've insulted Gruskin's word. You've insulted Tim Fogarty's MuscleMemory site's credibility. you're now making up scenarios with zero proof which insult the legitimacy of the World Championships. All for a cause which has nothing to do with you, which you won't accept a wager on.
Stop acting like a fool. you're 42 years old and you're making things up on mesage boards to bash someone from a rival federation. Fucking pathetic.
A simple picture from the contest would do.
Regarding the accuracy of Fogarty's MuscleMemory.com... Why don't you ask Fogarty when he added the 1996 win for London?
BTW, I found this contest that London won:
http://www.nabba.com/keystone04.cfm
YIP
Zack
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You've insulted Tim Fogarty's MuscleMemory site's credibility.
Not to be an instigator, 240, but i went to Muscle Memory yesterday in the morning (or maybe it was late Wednesday night) and inputed the name Jack London and nothing came up...i did that twice. Today i did it and there it was...the 2 shows that everyone is arguing about. My question is, are those the only 2 shows he's ever done because on most competitors in Musclememory.com it shows all the shows they've competed in even if they were not important. Does that make sense? Again, i have nothing against Jack (in fact i find him kinda cute :-*), I'm just stating a point.
Lisa
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Not to be an instigator, 240, but i went to Muscle Memory yesterday in the morning (or maybe it was late Wednesday night) and inputed the name Jack London and nothing came up...i did that twice. Today i did it and there it was...the 2 shows that everyone is arguing about. My question is, are those the only 2 shows he's ever done because on most competitors in Musclememory.com it shows all the shows they've competed in even if they were not important. Does that make sense? Again, i have nothing against Jack (in fact i find him kinda cute :-*), I'm just stating a point.
Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.
He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows.
The nationals win is a nationals win.
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Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.
He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows.
The nationals win is a nationals win.
I do believe his wins, i just was wondering why he was just now put into Musclememory.com. The shows in 2003/2004 are not on there.
Lisa
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Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.
He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows.
The nationals win is a nationals win.
Yea, but all this is based on words of people. There's no pictures, records, list of competitors, etc...anything which is where the problem is. Rhino is hiding something but we don't know what it is.
240, don't you find it funny that there are no pictures, no list of competitors, no names of judges, or anything and that Rhino cannot remember one detail about the show despite it should be the biggest title he's won????
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Not to be mean or anything but I am sure there is a little lealously going on here with Chic. It took him what 15 years to turn pro and from what I have read he was given a huge gift at the Masters and didn't desrve the win. And Jack has become a pro literally overnight and is now talked about on forums around the world and already has featured articles on him. I can see where Chic could be a little jealous and is just expressing his frustrations. I still like Chic and think he is a good guy, just a little misguided and dazed by the IFBB puppeteers.
Rhino is getting a lot of press but he's just the flavor of the week. Another person will come along next month
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Bob is a jerk. He and his towel boy Vince G should show some respect to Rhino.
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It's all about the ifbb. They got Vince back, Vinny Back, now they are trying to discredit me.
Everybody knows I won the show.... f**k him.
Fuck you too.
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Rhino is getting a lot of press but he's just the flavor of the week. Another person will come along next month
The only press you'll ever get is when Grundy publishes those abortionesque contest pics in MuscleMag. ;D
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My own personal guess is that -
1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does.. The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago. It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.
From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form. Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to anti-PDI types
This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing. but I wouldn't post old pics. I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC. Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.
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Yea, but all this is based on words of people. There's no pictures, records, list of competitors, etc...anything which is where the problem is. Rhino is hiding something but we don't know what it is.
240, don't you find it funny that there are no pictures, no list of competitors, no names of judges, or anything and that Rhino cannot remember one detail about the show despite it should be the biggest title he's won????
Vince, are you implying a nexus between the PDI and NABBA? a nexus that has at its heart a conspiracy based on 'fraudulently increasing PDI/NABBA stock value' by way of using fake 'winners' that have never won (perhaps even going so far as pulling these 'winners' from comps that never occurred?) thus allowing the PDI to fraudulently pump up its roster with the aforementioned fictitious winners? (which of course would be a great con to employ if the PDI found itself in the position of being ignored by most of the IFBB guys and desperately in need of a pumped up poster boy.. such as Jack)
I have to say, on paper such a scheme would be easy to pull off
TBH, there is fuck all to say that you are wrong here, the sheer lack of event footage leaves me suspicious
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My own personal guess is that -
1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does.. The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago. It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.
From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form.
This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing. but I wouldn't post old pics. I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC. Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.
Come on 240, do don't believe any of that drivel do you?
All he has to do is post a picture and he wins. Think about it, posting a picture will shut Chick up yet he won't do it. If this were anyone else you'd be all over him but because Jack is a part of the PDI is battling Chick you're siding with him.
This is rather disingenuous of you.
I will reiterate, Jack posting a picture of his win will SHUT EVERYONE UP INCLUDING CHICK.
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My own personal guess is that -
From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form. Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to IFBB employees.
Ahhh.... Exqueeze me? 5'8" and 280 in NOC form? You're smoking crack! I saw Rino about a week ago. Unless he's been eating cement blocks since then 280 is more of an exageration than Bob being better than Rusty.
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Tim Fogarty verified it this week after Jack contacted Gruskin for the complete list.
He won nationals overall in 96, took 3rd at world championships in 97, then took a few years off before coming back at some 2003/2004 shows.
The nationals win is a nationals win.
If its a national win, then he should be an NABBA pro. So why is he completing in lowly amatuer events. He didn't place well at his last show
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My own personal guess is that -
1) Any pics he posts from 10+ years ago are going to get hated on by some obvious people here who tend to hate on anything Rhino does.. The physique he has today is obviously going to be way better - and marketable - than the physique he had 10 years ago. It wil simply be more fodder for Bob and others.
From a marketing standpoint, jack has the most value with his current physique - 280 lbs+ at 5'8" - in his NOC form. Nothing to gain, and everything to lsoe by pandering to anti-PDI types
This is just my own two cents, and I have no inside info I'm not sharing. but I wouldn't post old pics. I would verify my pro status with those that matter, then kick some ass at the NOC. Anyone who complains about what someone else is doing in a federation having nothing to do with him, is just acting like a fool.
::) And I won the 2004 Metrolina.....
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Woah, slow down. nothing disingenious of me.
If Jack posts a pic and doesn't look good, what will happen? Vince, Bob, and others will likely post this 1996 photo in an attempt to discredit the PDI. Am I wrong?
it's his choice to post or not. My own opinion is that the more mystery and vagueness a guy has, the better marketablity he has. Once you have 10,000 pics of a guy, there is no reason to open up a thread for a new pic of him.
Chick will never shut up, and he will never admit he's wrong. He's obviously wrong here, so he got quiet. Gruskin gave the proof. Jack did the Worlds the following year. I don't know how one does the worlds without qualifying and manages to hack Gruskin's email and give Joe Tete amnesia in the same day. But these events would have had to happen.
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In another vein Jack claims that he is the first PDI pro on his website but all the official PDI press releases from Wayne says Lee is the first. How can Jack make that claim if the owner / head of the PDI contradicts him. If Jack can make such an obviously wrong claim I put nothing past him. Breaking the trust that he did with Vinny Galanti for his owns gains is what I am basing my opinion of Jack on.
I built the website. jack was the first man to publicly announce it. lee was the biggest name and thus Wayne's choice as the first athlete to announce.
When you start a BBing federation, you can announce guys in any order you please :)
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So shouldn't the site still be changed?
Hell and No. :)
Jack was the first athlete to publicly announce his intention to jump to the new Pro Division, Inc.
The press releases have come out as Wayne saw fit, and following contract signings. Just like they don't announce the Olympia competitors in the order they signed or announce, they announce them by the biggest names. lee priest and vince taylor were the two biggest names, so they were announced first.
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Woah, slow down. nothing disingenious of me.
If Jack posts a pic and doesn't look good, what will happen? Vince, Bob, and others will likely post this 1996 photo in an attempt to discredit the PDI. Am I wrong?
it's his choice to post or not. My own opinion is that the more mystery and vagueness a guy has, the better marketablity he has. Once you have 10,000 pics of a guy, there is no reason to open up a thread for a new pic of him.
Chick will never shut up, and he will never admit he's wrong. He's obviously wrong here, so he got quiet. Gruskin gave the proof. Jack did the Worlds the following year. I don't know how one does the worlds without qualifying and manages to hack Gruskin's email and give Joe Tete amnesia in the same day. But these events would have had to happen.
Again, you can't be serious. You think people are going to see a picture of Jack from 10 years ago and hold it against the PDI?
It was 10 friggin years ago, no one is going to hold it against the PDI. You need a new or at least better thought out excuse.
I know you're pro PDI and anti Chick but you have to come up with better excuses than these.
I'm all for the PDI as well but I don't think it's going to work with the level of competition it's been able to attract. Your defense of Jack in the face of valid criticism doesn't make you look good.
Post a picture of the win and shut everyone up, hell everyone wants to see him give Chick a beating.
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If I may make a suggestion....I believe someone said that perhaps Jack doesn't want to post a picture from 10 years ago because he might get some criticism from getbiggers. How about he PM the evidence directly to Bob, request confidentiality of the pictures/whatever evidence, and Bob will apologize as he said? No one has to see anything on the boards and the problem will be solved between Bob and Jack. Without pictures, a call from Gruskin to Bob, a post by Gruskin himself there will always be a layer of disbelief on the boards and this conflict will continue.
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f**k you too.
Every now and then your cousin comes on again eh?
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It's Jack's call to post any pics.
Suppose a 96 pic of jack is not good. What will happen? Spicy sushi will have it on everything from milk cartons to wanted posters. Vince G will post it 10,000 times with all sorts of warnings. Bob C will start fake apology threads.
You can judge the criticism as valid, I respect your opinion. I made my opinion clear. jack has provided proof to wayne. That is his responsibility. Since he competed in the 97 Worlds, it should be fairly obvious that he had to win a national qualifier to enter this show. I don't know if it's just curiosity, or sincere doubt. Proof has been provided that he won a national show.
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Bob Chic,
Maybe you should contact Bob Gruskin directly. Like a professional would. You know, since the PDI matters nothing to you, yet you feel the need to spend hours harping on it.
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It's Jack's call to post any pics.
Suppose a 96 pic of jack is not good. What will happen? Spicy sushi will have it on everything from milk cartons to wanted posters. Vince G will post it 10,000 times with all sorts of warnings. Bob C will start fake apology threads.
You can judge the criticism as valid, I respect your opinion. I made my opinion clear. jack has provided proof to wayne. That is his responsibility. Since he competed in the 97 Worlds, it should be fairly obvious that he had to win a national qualifier to enter this show. I don't know if it's just curiosity, or sincere doubt. Proof has been provided that he won a national show.
I understant 240, but to make it a reality to Bob Jack would have to provide the evidence to Bob himself. If Gruskin can send an email, surely he can call Bob and clear Jack's win as official. I think Bob has the integrity to keep the evidence confidential from Getbig if Jack elects to PM the photos.
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Good Point. But will Bob pull "a Jack" and break confidentiality?
Well, that is possible but no guts no glory right?
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Bob Chic,
Maybe you should contact Bob Gruskin directly. Like a professional would. You know, since the PDI matters nothing to you, yet you feel the need to spend hours harping on it.
Contacting Gruskin directly will count for shit if he is [as per my previous post] in cahoots with De Milia
Just admit that the no photo issue is a strange one, christ, everyone has said it is strange, all you are doing is intensifying the matter with your constant attempts at deflection
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It's Jack's call to post any pics.
Suppose a 96 pic of jack is not good. What will happen? Spicy sushi will have it on everything from milk cartons to wanted posters. Vince G will post it 10,000 times with all sorts of warnings. Bob C will start fake apology threads.
You can judge the criticism as valid, I respect your opinion. I made my opinion clear. jack has provided proof to wayne. That is his responsibility. Since he competed in the 97 Worlds, it should be fairly obvious that he had to win a national qualifier to enter this show. I don't know if it's just curiosity, or sincere doubt. Proof has been provided that he won a national show.
Would you agree that posting a picture of the win would shut everyone up and would show up Chick?
Clearly Jack doesn't want to post a picture and his excuse of not having any doesn't sound plausible. I would guess he has many many pictures of his earlier bodybuilding career.
Jack seems like a decent enough guy albeit a bit sensitive and egotistical but certainly more likable than Chick, that's part of the reason it's so disappointing he won't just end this thing and post a picture. You would think giving Chick a figurative beating would be a motivation for him.
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Bob Chic,
Maybe you should contact Bob Gruskin directly. Like a professional would. You know, since the PDI matters nothing to you, yet you feel the need to spend hours harping on it.
He sure as hell doesn't behave like a professional.
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Chick was given a statement from a NABBA official of 30 years. Chic saw that yes, jack won 3rd at the 97 show, which he only could have qualified for by winning the 96 show.
If Chick doesn't want to believe that, well, that's his right.
Chick has so little credibility at this point, well, anyone who jumps on his bandwagon must be blindfolded or stupid. Just my opinion though.
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Chick was given a statement from a NABBA official of 30 years. Chic saw that yes, jack won 3rd at the 97 show, which he only could have qualified for by winning the 96 show.
If Chick doesn't want to believe that, well, that's his right.
Chick has so little credibility at this point, well, anyone who jumps on his bandwagon must be blindfolded or stupid. Just my opinion though.
Emailed to Bob directly from the official or emailed to you to post?
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Emailed to Bob directly from the official or emailed to you to post?
Emailed to me. I offered to give Bob the email and phone of bob Gruskin, so he could check for himself, which he declined.
I guess it was more fun to bash jack without info, than to get the truth.
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Bob Gruskin would have to call or email Bob. I can see no other direct solution. If he could email you, he should email Bob just as easily. Wasnt is bob@musclebob.com?
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Bob Gruskin would have to call or email Bob. I can see no other direct solution. If he could email you, he should email Bob just as easily. Wasnt is bob@musclebob.com?
Gruskin would have to contact Bob? Why? Chic has no affiliation with PDI. His only claim in all this is that criticizes the PDI nonstop. That's it. Why would I email Gruskin with a request to contact someone else?
I offered to give Bob the contact info if he wanted to back up his rude comments here. He didn't want it.
Chic, if you doubt Rhino's win, email Gruskin. Publicly bitching, without doing your research, does nothing but further this new idiot image you're cultivating.
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Gruskin would have to contact Bob? Why? Chic has no affiliation with PDI. His only claim in all this is that criticizes the PDI nonstop. That's it. Why would I email Gruskin with a request to contact someone else?
I offered to give Bob the contact info if he wanted to back up his rude comments here. He didn't want it.
Chic, if you doubt Rhino's win, email Gruskin. Publicly bitching, without doing your research, does nothing but further this new idiot image you're cultivating.
new????
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This will always sound strange to me. You won your show but no pics was taken. I dont get it.
240 your theory of getbig members would joke on Jack pics from 10 years ago is a bunch of bull. If he competed and won his show then that wouldn't matter. Somebody find a dayum picture.
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This will always sound strange to me. You won your show but no pics was taken. I dont get it. 240 your theory of getbig members would joke on Jack pics from 10 years ago is a bunch of bull. If he competed and won his show then that wouldn't matter. Somebody find a dayum picture.
sgt d,
1) poor quality pics do not help a person's marketability.
2) sushi and others have already shown willingness to alter pics of jack.
so it's not bull. Now tell your boy Chic to man up and call Gruskin, if he's so concerned. Nevermind he's an IFBB guy just dying to trash a PDI guy, he's ignoring the facts presented. And it's not our job to provide Bob Chic proof of anything.
If he wants to bash, tell him to do his research, or take the bet.
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sgt d,
1) poor quality pics do not help a person's marketability.
2) sushi and others have already shown willingness to alter pics of jack.
so it's not bull. Now tell your boy Chic to man up and call Gruskin, if he's so concerned. Nevermind he's an IFBB guy just dying to trash a PDI guy, he's ignoring the facts presented. And it's not our job to provide Bob Chic proof of anything.
If he wants to bash, tell him to do his research, or take the bet.
This is all crazy. All Jack has to do is post a pic. Jack is the only bber in here that we went through all this trouble to try to verify a contest. It shouldnt be that hard to get information on this contest. Im done with this thread. :-\
Chic wins ;D
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but it is not just the pics. It is Jack's memory that has me questioning the entire thing. He can't remember details, like who he competed against, that is pure bull. OR Jack is really stupid.
You pick
that to :-\
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anyone ever consider that Jack is holding out until Bob agrees to the 10k bet? Thats what I would do ;D
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And what will the haters do?
post pics of the people he beat, and mock their quality.
You see, there is a little marketing war going on right now. The IFBB has their public face, Bob Chic, on the boards every night bashing the PDI. This is no accident. They're scared that guys are going to jump. Anything negative they can get, they'll use. So why give it to them?
Obviously, bob feels his time is better spent bashing PDI competitors, than spent doing things to better life for IFBB athletes. It's like, if your own car was broke down, would you spend your day making fun of your neighbor's car? No, you'd fix your own.
Bob- look in your own backyard. 90% of the athletes don't earn a cent from the IFBB. You have bigger probs than 96 pics of Jack London. Do- your- fucking- job.
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And what will the haters do?
post pics of the people he beat, and mock their quality.
You see, there is a little marketing war going on right now. The IFBB has their public face, Bob Chic, on the boards every night bashing the PDI. This is no accident. They're scared that guys are going to jump. Anything negative they can get, they'll use. So why give it to them?
Obviously, bob feels his time is better spent bashing PDI competitors, than spent doing things to better life for IFBB athletes. It's like, if your own car was broke down, would you spend your day making fun of your neighbor's car? No, you'd fix your own.
Bob- look in your own backyard. 90% of the athletes don't earn a cent from the IFBB. You have bigger probs than 96 pics of Jack London. Do- your- fucking- job.
If Jack won the NABBA North America, he should have been in his best shape of his life. So why not show the pictures???
240, Jack is nothing more than either a coward, liar, or just brain dead.
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you profess too much, 240. The issue is if Rhino won a show 10 years ago, not how he looks compared to today. I can't believe anyone could WIN a bodybuilding show and not have a picture of it. Does anyone here have a similar experience? You won a show - any show - took 5th for that matter - and doesn't have at least one measly pic of it?
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You guys are a complete joke if you think Jack London looks better than Chick.
Not liking Chick is one thing, but don't use character judgement when comparing physiques. Chick's physique and accomplishments are on a completely different level than Jack London's, and you all know this!
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And what will the haters do?
post pics of the people he beat, and mock their quality.
You see, there is a little marketing war going on right now. The IFBB has their public face, Bob Chic, on the boards every night bashing the PDI. This is no accident. They're scared that guys are going to jump. Anything negative they can get, they'll use. So why give it to them?
Obviously, bob feels his time is better spent bashing PDI competitors, than spent doing things to better life for IFBB athletes. It's like, if your own car was broke down, would you spend your day making fun of your neighbor's car? No, you'd fix your own.
Bob- look in your own backyard. 90% of the athletes don't earn a cent from the IFBB. You have bigger probs than 96 pics of Jack London. Do- your- fucking- job.
THAT'S his reasoning for refusing to post a pic???
There's no marketing war going on...Why would the IFBB be "scared" of anyone going to the PDI? The vast amount of people who have already jumped ship (1)? All the benefits they are offering that the IFBB isn't? (none) The track record they've already shown? (canceled shows, no record to go off of, questionable line-ups, etc?
90% of ALL atletess in performance based jobs don't make any money, or make peanuts comparitively...what do you think the 80th ranked tennis player in the world makes? Think theey have any endorsement deals. WOW, big surprise here...the best players make the biggest money.
Give it up, 240...even you can't defend the lack of evidence to support him. You're starting to sound desperate.
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And what will the haters do?
post pics of the people he beat, and mock their quality.
You see, there is a little marketing war going on right now. The IFBB has their public face, Bob Chic, on the boards every night bashing the PDI. This is no accident. They're scared that guys are going to jump. Anything negative they can get, they'll use. So why give it to them?
Obviously, bob feels his time is better spent bashing PDI competitors, than spent doing things to better life for IFBB athletes. It's like, if your own car was broke down, would you spend your day making fun of your neighbor's car? No, you'd fix your own.
Bob- look in your own backyard. 90% of the athletes don't earn a cent from the IFBB. You have bigger probs than 96 pics of Jack London. Do- your- fucking- job.
OUCH!
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THAT'S his reasoning for refusing to post a pic???
There's no marketing war going on...Why would the IFBB be "scared" of anyone going to the PDI? The vast amount of people who have already jumped ship (1)? All the benefits they are offering that the IFBB isn't? (none) The track record they've already shown? (canceled shows, no record to go off of, questionable line-ups, etc?
90% of ALL athletes in performance based jobs don't make any money, or make peanuts comparitively...what do you think the 80th ranked tennis player in the world makes? Think theey have any endorsement deals. WOW, big surprise here...the best players make the biggest money.
Give it up, 240...even you can't defend the lack of evidence to support him. You're starting to sound
Bob, there is definitely a marketing war going on. If you don't see it, well, I can't help you there. And if you're denying it, well, that's fine too. Anyone with half a brain sees who has been bashing the PDI nonstop since minute one.
And you ask why the IFBB would be scared about anyone going to the PDI. You're joking, right? It's a clear competitor run by their former boss, that has snatched one of the most popular guys (Lee priest) before they have even held one show!
Third, you defend the fact that 90% of IFBB athletes don't make any money. For athletes rep to defend this... hahahahaha monster poor job performance :) Dude, athletes rep can't settle for 10% of athletes getting paid, and defend this trend publicly. Oh brother. Epic dereliction of duty!
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You're delusional.
If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....
...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...
Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??
Welcome to sports 101...
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Bob, there is definitely a marketing war going on. If you don't see it, well, I can't help you there. And if you're denying it, well, that's fine too. Anyone with half a brain sees who has been bashing the PDI nonstop since minute one.
And you ask why the IFBB would be scared about anyone going to the PDI. You're joking, right? It's a clear competitor run by their former boss, that has snatched one of the most popular guys (Lee priest) before they have even held one show!
Third, you defend the fact that 90% of IFBB athletes don't make any money. For athletes rep to defend this... hahahahaha monster poor job performance :) Dude, athletes rep can't settle for 10% of athletes getting paid, and defend this trend publicly. Oh brother. Epic dereliction of duty!
dont blame chick for his obliviousness. It is very hard for a puppet to see the hand up his own ass, much less see that people are laughing AT him and not WITH him.
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They're scared that guys are going to jump.
Me thinks PDI is the organisation that is facing guys jumping.
More guys, I mean.
I doubt that Alexander Frei guy will compete at the NOC either. Neither he or Sami el-Haddad, if I were to make a guess.
Looks like it will be an epic battle for second place between Jack London and Sean Allan.
Unless dzulboy realizes his threat of going PDI Pro.
YIP
Zack
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relax 240 you'll blow a gasket...
marketing war? you think the IFBB even knows what "marketing" means?
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If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....
If you're seriously denying a war, then perhaps the decision makers are keeping you in the dark, which might not be a bad idea. But it's happening. IFBB is working to destroy it before it starts. Of course the IFBB is the big dog. But they're nervous. One slip of momentum, 2 or 3 guys jump, suddenly they all go.
...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...
So, you're not competing with them, but as an IFBB guy who spends hours a day listing their flaws, um, what are you doing again?
Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??
I never said low guys should make more than top guys. But they should make SOMETHING. If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend. Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.
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I never said low guys should make more than top guys. But they should make SOMETHING. If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend. Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.
Didn't Cicherillo just take a fight with someone at a Olympia Press Conference about this?
Cicherillo, who was this person you discussed prize money for all athletes with?
YIP
Zack
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
Chick et al - watch the World NABBA Championiships where Jack/Rhino came in third. If you see his mugg on that video (which someone posted a link to by the 1997..) than Jack/Rhino told the truth, if he is nowhere on that tape, than he has more explaining to do. Pretty simple.
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Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash.
it's a recipe for disaster. You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.
brutally poor distribution of prize monies. You gotta spread it more. Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is. Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.
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If you're seriously denying a war, then perhaps the decision makers are keeping you in the dark, which might not be a bad idea. But it's happening. IFBB is working to destroy it before it starts. Of course the IFBB is the big dog. But they're nervous. One slip of momentum, 2 or 3 guys jump, suddenly they all go.
So, you're not competing with them, but as an IFBB guy who spends hours a day listing their flaws, um, what are you doing again?
I never said low guys should make more than top guys. But they should make SOMETHING. If they're going to buy and use super supps, train 2 hours a day, diet and dry out, they should make SOMETHING for entering or placing in the top 50 collective guys of the year, even if it's only a small stipend. Income that is lopsided leads to "win at any cost" attitude, and guys die trying to dry out, or break the law to pay the electric bill.
Yeah, thats it...one slip of the 'ol momentum...and BAM!!
There goes the neighborhood...
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Chick et al - watch the World NABBA Championiships where Jack/Rhino came in third. If you see his mugg on that video (which someone posted a link to by the 1997..) than Jack/Rhino told the truth, if he is nowhere on that tape, than he has more explaining to do. Pretty simple.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
EBay says he competed at that show. but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
EBay says he competed at that show. but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...
No one is disputing Jack's 3rd place finish at the NABBA Worlds...were disputing his N.American victory that was held in the Twilight Zone.
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There may be commentary on the video that indicates he won that competition to qualify
No evidence is suspicious 240 and your picture speculation is amusing, yet a bit silly.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/Bodybuilding-Classic-1997-NABBA-World-Championships-VHS_W0QQitemZ200013807788QQihZ010QQcategoryZ309QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
EBay says he competed at that show. but then again, Ebay might be in on the scam, along with jack, Wayne, NABBA, Gruskin, the bush administration, um...
So there's a video of the 97 show but none of the 96 show?
Apparently Jack could have competed via special invite so this doesn't prove he won in 96.
I've said it a thousand times now, post a picture and shut everyone up. Not only does he shut everyone up but he delivers a figurative beating to Chick. There is definitely something suspicious about his unwillingness to post a simple picture.
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Didn't Cicherillo just take a fight with someone at a Olympia Press Conference about this?
Cicherillo, who was this person you discussed prize money for all athletes with?
YIP
Zack
Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.
Got a response to that 240?
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No one is disputing Jack's 3rd place finish at the NABBA Worlds...were disputing his N.American victory that was held in the Twilight Zone.
Bob, at what level do you think a conspiracy has occured here?
Lets say Jack has fabricated the whole lot, well, he cannot have fabricated the comp win in a vacuum, he would have had to be accompanied by De Melia who is either fully complicit with the conspiracy, or at the very least, has been duped by Londons bullshit comp history
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Jack said he won. The NABBA chief said he won. The people who let him compete in the worlds accepted that he won. wayne demilia accepted that he won.
but bob chic doesn't.
I'm going to have to do a credibility analysis here.
Let's see... jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne has never been wrong on getbig about 17,000 times.
Bob has.
jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne don't have an anti-PDi agenda.
Bob does.
jack/gruskin/nabba/wayne don't suck.
Bob sucks.
This concludes my dumbed-down analysis to match the quality of argument delivered by Bob Chic. Pizza time.
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You're delusional.
If YOU think there's a marketing "war" going on with one company that's been around over 50 years, a history, magazines, millions of dollars in sponsors, hundreds of thousands of fan base, and the best bodybuilders in the world, contracts via competing/exposure....
...and the other company in it's 3rd go-round of getting off the ground, run by the guy fired from his position, hated by the athletes, refused to pay athletes claiming they "didn't deserve it", have managed to attract ONE current IFBB athlete, give pro cards out like free car washes, have already had more shows canceled than have taken place, etc, etc...
Fan base as a direct result of performance is mostly responsible for 90% of the athletes making the most money...you think Joe Blow makes (or should make) more money than John Cena? What planet are you living on??
Welcome to sports 101...
Chic there are marketing wars going on between the IFBB and PDI. When the two major magazines in the industry refuse toallow PDI ads to be bought, that is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI. When the IFBB spends so much time and effort to make sure EVERY IFBB pro know that they face suspension if they compete in the PDI is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI. You know this or maybe you don't.
And mentioning the IFBB has been around for 50 years and they are more fucked up now than 20 years ago is an embarassement to the IFBB and BB. I really think you should think twice or maybe three times before ever referring to the IFBB being around for so long. It doesn't look good.
Can you explain as simply as possible why the IFBB does not enforce the rules it has implemented regarding drug use and bad behavior of its members. What is the reason why EVERY competitor (not just one or two) is tested at every show.
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Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.
Got a response to that 240?
chic, either the PDI matters or it doesnt. You bring it up when you want to bash wayne, but otherwise you say it doesnt matter. he's a threat, and you know it. so just be honest man.
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Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash.
it's a recipe for disaster. You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.
brutally poor distribution of prize monies. You gotta spread it more. Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is. Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.
I've got news for you Mr. Economics...
reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?
I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??
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Anyone remember when people respected bob chic?
Bob, I tried ignoring your attacks on PDI for a day and you started several glory-hound threads (like that apology which backfired).
Chic, you're a puppet man, i'm sorry, but you are. You're deceptive and you're phony. I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest. You'll say anything to make the bosses happy. You lack integrity.
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I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest
hahahahahaha, quality post
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WHen AMI and the IFBB put a strnglehold on major avenues of marketing for the PDI, it is called being scared., How can you justify this. There is no ryhme or reason. Simply facts that cannot be defended by anyone including Chic.
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chic, either the PDI matters or it doesnt. You bring it up when you want to bash wayne, but otherwise you say it doesnt matter. he's a threat, and you know it. so just be honest man.
240, I have read every post you made about this matter, and I need to say, I am convinced that Jack won 100%. Who gives a fuck what bob thinks, anyway? fact: Jack is a beast, Jack is well liked. Jack won, plain and simple. Thanks for clearing it up 240. Your arguments are overwhelming and you facts impeccable. Chick, you just lost a fan. Not me, I never like you, anyway. But I am sure you alienated one of your fans somewhere. well, at least you still have 2 or 3 left :-\
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I've got news for you Mr. Economics...
reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?
I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??
This is where your argument fails. The guys on the practice squad for NFL teams make a decent living, enough to more than support themselves. Yet 90% of IFBB competitors don't make nearly enough to support themselves.
The same can be said of the two other major sports. Low level MLB players make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as do low level NBA players.
Your analogy using the NFL doesn't work.
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I've got news for you Mr. Economics...
reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?
I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??
Manning's per-year average salary is $14.17 million. Been in the league 8 years.
NFL minimum salary for an 8th year player is 710,000
Peyton makes 20 times more.
Ronnie gets 155k, Last place gets 4k. Ronnie makes 39 times more than the last place finisher.
20 = 39 ?
Thanks, Mr Economics ;)
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Bottom line, if you have 200 guys in a sport, the top 10 guys shouldn't be earning 90% of the cash.
it's a recipe for disaster. You have guys in the top 10 buying frivolous shit, 4 cars, etc, and guys #11-20 who can't afford to keep the lights on.
brutally poor distribution of prize monies. You gotta spread it more. Gustavo is not 15 times better than Toney Freeman, but the prize monies says he is. Come on- all these guys are using and taking risks- spread the money better.
If this is your view...
Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?
On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.
Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.
Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?
YIP
Zack
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I've got news for you Mr. Economics...
reletively speaking, it's the same ratio to other sports. You think the guys kept on the practice squad in the NFL are even in the same universe compared to Peyton Manning?
I get $4,000 distributed to the bottom half, and you complain I aint doing anything for anyone else except the top guys??
I thought we seriously was not going to compare the IFBB or BB to any major sport. The association is embarassing to the other sports. It's nice you got the bottom finishers money. But inreality as someone stated before itwas really only $6,000. All theIFBB did was take the money used in the Challenge Round and redistribute it. So, it's like it was a big thing. The money was already there.
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Chic, you're a puppet man, i'm sorry, but you are. You're deceptive and you're phony. I might be an internet prick, but at least I'm honest. You'll say anything to make the bosses happy. You lack integrity.
Rob,
Leave the name calling out of this. You have a good debate going, don't lower your attack by resorting to kid-like antics.
Stay Hard,
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This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.
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If this is your view...
Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?
On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.
Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.
Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?
YIP
Zack
I dunno what prize monies are for the PDI - but if they suck, I'll be emailing Wayne with ideas, emailing sponsors with creative ideas, emailing guys with ideas... I'm not a PDI employee, I'm a web designer.
My beef tonight, was Bob defending the sick money distribution. It is awful in the IFBB, and it may be awful in the PDI too. Mainstream appeal, longterm financial/health planning, and better money distribution are things I think will help guys most.
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This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.
Wanye is a tight wad
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This is where your argument fails. The guys on the practice squad for NFL teams make a decent living, enough to more than support themselves. Yet 90% of IFBB competitors don't make nearly enough to support themselves.
The same can be said of the two other major sports. Low level MLB players make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year as do low level NBA players.
Your analogy using the NFL doesn't work.
Yes, the problem with CHic constantly trying to compare the IFBB to any real major sport is the fact they ALL are making a minimum wage higher than 99% of every IFBB pro. They are actually making money and getting paid by their employer. The IFBB offers NOTHING. Big difference.
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This is all a secret plan by gmv to offload their excess stock of Worlds videos.
If we have to crash a plane or two, you can bet we'll be aiming for a few Aussie loudmouths trying to spill the beans ;)
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Chic there are marketing wars going on between the IFBB and PDI. When the two major magazines in the industry refuse toallow PDI ads to be bought, that is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI. When the IFBB spends so much time and effort to make sure EVERY IFBB pro know that they face suspension if they compete in the PDI is called being scared and doing everything possible to halt the progress of the PDI. You know this or maybe you don't.
And mentioning the IFBB has been around for 50 years and they are more fucked up now than 20 years ago is an embarassement to the IFBB and BB. I really think you should think twice or maybe three times before ever referring to the IFBB being around for so long. It doesn't look good.
Can you explain as simply as possible why the IFBB does not enforce the rules it has implemented regarding drug use and bad behavior of its members. What is the reason why EVERY competitor (not just one or two) is tested at every show.
No problem, Keith...
Why would the two biggest magazines in the industry (which are both IFBB supporting/ based) allow a rival company to ADVERTISE? Does coke advertise Pepsi products? Does Ford put Chevy's in their commercials?
The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....
The IFBB has a drug policy and all it's members are subject to being tested...simple. The reason EVERY member isn't tested at EVERY show is simple...MONEY and TIME. It's a huge cost to test everyone, and the results wouldn't be available for weeks. You're already bitching about the lack of money, you think it would go over better if LESS was available to athletes because of testing?
Are you saying MORE fans would attend bodybuilding shows if there were drug tests for the athletes? Why don't thee Natural show attract any more tha 200 people at their shows then?
Come on, Keith you're smarter than this...
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Manning's per-year average salary is $14.17 million. Been in the league 8 years.
NFL minimum salary for an 8th year player is 710,000
Peyton makes 20 times more.
Ronnie gets 155k, Last place gets 4k. Ronnie makes 39 times more than the last place finisher.
20 = 39 ?
Thanks, Mr Economics ;)
Perhaps we should have some fun with it and create a new wing in the very stagnant business math field.
We can call it Chiconomics.
Numbers don't really apply, it's more based upon emotion and relationships.
It was founded by evil scientists at a Canadian nonprofit org.
It doesn't see other types of math as competitors, but will bash them incessantly anyway.
Chiconomcs. Hell yes.
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wayne don't suck.
What?
Are you referring to Wayne DeMilia?
The same Wayne DeMilia who made sure that only the top ten finishers in the Olympia would get prize money?
The same Wayne DeMilia who was responsible for fcuking up bodybuilding during the 90's?
That Wayne?
Come on man.
YIP
Zack
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The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....
You and Shawn have spent plenty of time telling Lee he would be suspended, considering you and Shawn are mouthpieces for the IFBB then your above statement isn't exactly accurate.
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Hmmmmmm...sounds mighty familiar....I believe it was the president of the PDI himself, Wayne DeMilia who stated that only the BEST guys should be making the money, and if you weren't good enough...then you didn't deserve to get paid.
Got a response to that 240?
Still looking for a response, bud.....
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If this is your view...
Then I don't understand why you are actually doing work FOR Wayne DeMilia, and attacking the very guy (Cicherillo) who stood up against him?
On this matter, you and Cicherillo seems to be of same opinion.
Cicherillo has been arguing to get more money for low placers for years.
Will all competitors in the NOC get some money?
YIP
Zack
Hedge, the thing about the PDI is it's new and can grow. If it grows it will pass the IFFB in prize money. This is just the first show. How long was the IFBB in business before it started paying their competitors. In addition, the IFBB has put a black eye on BB. SO the PDI is attempting to break loose from the negative image the IFBB has put in the minds of the public and sponsors. Like I said before, I hope some of you go to the NOC and look in the audience. You are going to see some people you know and are the real people who are keeping the IFBB going. You are going to be very surprised with what they are doing. They have bought tickets and have committed. I promise it WILL HURT the IFBB. DOn't under estimate Wayne and his contacts and friends. He has been doing longer than anyone here and know thousand time mnore about the business than anyone on here combined. No matter what has happened in the past, it appears not that many hold grudges.
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Still looking for a response, bud.....
240, he's kind of got you there. Do you have a comment?
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240, I have read every post you made about this matter, and I need to say, I am convinced that Jack won 100%. Who gives a f**k what bob thinks, anyway? fact: Jack is a beast, Jack is well liked. Jack won, plain and simple. Thanks for clearing it up 240. Your arguments are overwhelming and you facts impeccable. Chick, you just lost a fan. Not me, I never like you, anyway. But I am sure you alienated one of your fans somewhere. well, at least you still have 2 or 3 left :-\
Yeah I am sure Shawn still loves Bob don't worry :P You and Shawn are still the top ASS KISSERS for the IFBB :D Nobody can take that away from you guys ;D
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Still looking for a response, bud.....
Bud,
I responded. Look up. If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing.
Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london. Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted. So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.
Bud.
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Waynes best idea was reinventing himself into some sort of human rights advocate for bodybuilders. It wasn't that long ago of course he was talking shit about them all - having them hate him.
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Is anyone popping into town later?
What will you be upto? dinner? pub? a quick fight/puke/fuck against a wall then off to the food shop/takeaway before returning home to bed?
I think I may pop out to a musical, but then again, maybe not
So come on, let the world know what youre plans for tonight are
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Bud,
I responded. Look up. If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing.
Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london. Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted. So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.
Bud.
Considering Wayne's track record do you really think he cares about the PDI's bodybuilders? Do you think he cares about the well being of Lee or is he just using him as the face of the PDI because he knows Lee is a bit of a rebel?
You're backing a guy that didn't give two schits about bodybuilders when he was running the IFBB what makes you think he cares about them now?
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No problem, Keith...
Why would the two biggest magazines in the industry (which are both IFBB supporting/ based) allow a rival company to ADVERTISE? Does coke advertise Pepsi products? Does Ford put Chevy's in their commercials?
The IFBB has spent NO time telling their members about being suspended...it's been in the rulebook for 50 YEARS....
The IFBB has a drug policy and all it's members are subject to being tested...simple. The reason EVERY member isn't tested at EVERY show is simple...MONEY and TIME. It's a huge cost to test everyone, and the results wouldn't be available for weeks. You're already bitching about the lack of money, you think it would go over better if LESS was available to athletes because of testing?
Are you saying MORE fans would attend bodybuilding shows if there were drug tests for the athletes? Why don't thee Natural show attract any more tha 200 people at their shows then?
Come on, Keith you're smarter than this...
I don't know I've never seen the Coke magazine. Flex and M&F are supposed to promote BB. Your analogy just doesn't hold water. TimeMagazine and others have ads for Chevy,ford,mercedes, etc. The leading magazines in any industry promote all companies. Sports Illustrated, Field & Stream, Vogue etc. ANd I am not saying drug testing in that sense, I was making reference to the implementation of rules. If the IFBB was not scared or worried abuot the PDI then why all of a sudden such a strict enforcement of this rule but not the drug testing rules which is openly broken at every show.
In addition, M&F and Flex promote BB worldwide. No place on it or in it does it say it is an IFBB magazine. Doesn't it in fact have something on the cover saying something about BB industry or something. If the magazine was called IFBB then I would see your point, but since it is a magazine that promotes BB, then they should not restrict the PDI advertising............u nless they were scared. Andyou have said numerous times how they are not scsared or even think about the PDI, yet they pull this.
And my fucking space key isn't working right and it's pissing me off typing
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Is anyone popping into town later?
What will you be upto? dinner? pub? a quick fight/puke/fuck against a wall then off to the food shop/takeaway before returning home to bed?
I think I may pop out to a musical, but then again, maybe not
So come on, let the world know what youre plans for tonight are
I personally am still sick, suffering some mental degradation from such a state and am unlikely to achieve anything but sitting in this chair.
Though I plan to do several self satisfying turds during the course of the day. Looking forward to them.
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Still looking for a response, bud.....
You haven't mentioned anything about that little ratio issue, bud.
Peyton makes 20 times what the scrubs do. Ronnie makes 39 times what the O scrubs do, and compared to most IFBB guys who earn nothing...
Speak on it.
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You're backing a guy that didn't give two schits about bodybuilders when he was running the IFBB what makes you think he cares about them now?
I'm backing an organization which will being comptition to the IFBB and will prevent either org from being a monopoly.
I'll support org #3 and 4 when they arrive too!
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Bud,
I responded. Look up. If the PDI money sucks, I'll be on here saying the same thing. This isn't a political thing, it's a standard-of-living thing.
Your guys are broke, and instead of thinking about ways to improve this, you're spending your days bashing jack london. Even worse, the IFBB guys have to have a majority (101 of their 200?) to get something submitted. So you're not an onlooker, you're more like a roadblock.
Bud.
Thanks for that answer, now try to ask the question at hand...WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WAYNE'S COMMENTS AND HIS POSITION ABOUT NOT PAYING ATHLETES??????
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I personally am still sick, suffering some mental degradation from such a state and am unlikely to achieve anything but sitting in this chair.
Though I plan to do several self satisfying turds during the course of the day. Looking forward to them.
Oh, thats unfortunate Rocket mate, you simply must keep your fluids up, lots of vitamin C together with lots of other cliched shit
Dont stay up too late and over-reach yourself if you hear your cosy bed calling
Get well soon mate
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Hedge, the thing about the PDI is it's new and can grow. If it grows it will pass the IFFB in prize money. This is just the first show. How long was the IFBB in business before it started paying their competitors. In addition, the IFBB has put a black eye on BB. SO the PDI is attempting to break loose from the negative image the IFBB has put in the minds of the public and sponsors. Like I said before, I hope some of you go to the NOC and look in the audience. You are going to see some people you know and are the real people who are keeping the IFBB going. You are going to be very surprised with what they are doing. They have bought tickets and have committed. I promise it WILL HURT the IFBB. DOn't under estimate Wayne and his contacts and friends. He has been doing longer than anyone here and know thousand time mnore about the business than anyone on here combined. No matter what has happened in the past, it appears not that many hold grudges.
I hope that PDI will be something good.
Ther problem I have with PDI, is that Wayne DeMilia is involved, and the history of that guy. He fcuked up bodybuilding real bad.
But hey, benefit of a doubt, why not?
Guys like you onlyme, who really wants to create an alternative.
The idea of an organisation where more classic physiques would be awarded...
I like that very much.
But to read about Rhino (that guy could probably be a world clas pwerlifter anytime BTW) upping his dosages, and going to close to 300 lbs in the off-season...
Where is the difference from the IFBB?
It's just the same shit, but with the guys who couldn't get their pro cards.
And a guest posing by Lee Priest.
I want to believe though. Without the history of DeMilia, it would be easier, but to forgive is a good deed... 8)
YIP
Zack
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Thanks for that answer, now try to ask the question at hand...WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT WAYNE'S COMMENTS AND HIS POSITION ABOUT NOT PAYING ATHLETES??????
I'm sorry, you're not going to get a quote out of me on 2002 IFBB politics.
if it happens in the PDI, I'll give plenty of quotes.
Now, are you focused upon the 2002 IFBB Wayne policy, or the 2006 IFBB Athletes Issue?
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I'm backing an organization which will being comptition to the IFBB and will prevent either org from being a monopoly.
I'll support org #3 and 4 when they arrive too!
I agree that a new organization is a good thing but Wayne's track record speaks for itself.
Maybe another organization lead by another man would be more successful. The PDI is doomed.
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lol....
Jack "i saw the sky, and the sky is blue"
Bob "no it isn't, you're a liar"
rob "yes it is, it's blue, seen it on the net."
wayne "i saw it too, definitely blue"
Nabba "sources confirm blue"
Australian ebay seller "I have a picture of the sky, it's blue"
Bob "definitely not blue"
you look like a fool
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You haven't mentioned anything about that little ratio issue, bud.
Peyton makes 20 times what the scrubs do. Ronnie makes 39 times what the O scrubs do, and compared to most IFBB guys who earn nothing...
Speak on it.
I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.
The PDI offers far less than the IFBB, yet you question nothing when it comes to Wayne or the questionable moves by his organization...
If you were TRULY for the athletes' well being, you would be all over the PDI like flies on shit...asking the same questions you were grilling Shawn about his Colorado pro.
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Maybe another organization lead by another man would be more successful.
I love it! Once wayne makes org #2 a success, a lot of guys will look at the athletes money issue (if there is one) and come up with org #3, which might end up being the ideal solution. Or, org #1 and 2 will feel the heat from the other and improve atheltes wages first.
Competition cannot hurt. not one bit.
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you look like a fool
This post is the epitome of irony.
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I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.
You cited Peyton Manning and the NFL minimum. I did the math.
You threw out the top and bottom guy, and I did the math, for both the NFL and the IFBB.
Please tell me where I made the mistake, Mr Economics.
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I'm sorry, you're not going to get a quote out of me on 2002 IFBB politics.
if it happens in the PDI, I'll give plenty of quotes.
Now, are you focused upon the 2002 IFBB Wayne policy, or the 2006 IFBB Athletes Issue?
Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.
Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.
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Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.
Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.
I don't know what the PDI money picture is. You can ask me, but I don't know the details, like most don't. I invite you to email wayne and ask him. PM me for his email address if you need it.
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You cited Peyton Manning and the NFL minimum. I did the math.
You threw out the top and bottom guy, and I did the math, for both the NFL and the IFBB.
Please tell me where I made the mistake, Mr Economics.
Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...
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I can easily find two guys making a 39:1 ratio, Bud...the point is the same. It's reletive in sports.
The point is even the lowliest NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL players make more than enough to live a decent life yet only about 12 or so IFBB members TOTAL make enough to live off of. This isn't your fault of course but you have to admit it's shocking. The fact that only 12 or so bodybuilders earn enough money off of bodybuilding to live is ridiculous.
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Excuse me, It's still Wayne...circa 2002 or 2006, take your pick.
Why won't you answer the question? Unlike certain shows which can't be verified, this is on tape and can be quoted verbatim.
Why would DeMilia change opinion in regards to the athletes?
Personally, I'm worrying about Lee Priest getting shafted by DeMilia, or the other competitors at the NOC as well.
Teh Fcuking idit list:
1. DeMilia
2. Manion
YIP
Zack
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Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...
$3,500 a week and that was back in 1998.
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Your mistake was using the league minimum...I specifically said "practice squad"...these are guys that are technically on the team, yet do not derive a league min. They practice hard, and hope to make the team one day...If you know what THEY make, feel free to educate me...
You bragged about the O money - which I think would apply to those who are ACTIVE competitors. I spoke of the guys who do the same thing- diet, gear, compete, yet earn 40 times less, and you made the challenge.
So now you want to make it about a non-competitor vs. Ronnie? Are you serious?
Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.
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Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.
Sued!
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I love it! Once wayne makes org #2 a success, a lot of guys will look at the athletes money issue (if there is one) and come up with org #3, which might end up being the ideal solution. Or, org #1 and 2 will feel the heat from the other and improve atheltes wages first.
Competition cannot hurt. not one bit.
I agree, REAL competition wouldn't hurt, and would bolster my position for the athletes a great deal...unfortunately, the PDI ain't it. They would have to offer something the IFBB doesn't, (they don't) or be competitve from a competition standpoint (they're not)....They actually offer LESS to athletes, and thus offer no real competiton to the IFBB, anyways.
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Chic, if i was in cali right now, I would smack you with an Economics book.
will anyone here stand the money to buy Rob a plane ticket to Cali? lets get this shit on!!!
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I really don't know Wayne's track record. But he has told numerous things inconfidence that happened that made him look bad to the BB's but in fact he was doing what he was told by the owner. I really tend to believe Wayne cause he is the one out front and being heard and seen by the competitors and public. Manion and Weiders hide when the shit is hitting the fan and are always in the front when something good happens. That is the sign of a shady person. I have done business with Manion, Weider and Wayne. The only person honest and up front and has done what he told me he was going to do is Wayne. There are so many things I read on here that you guys blame Wayne for and it pisses me off and I will call him or email. He will explain the entire situation to me and 100% of what he expalins makes sense. The IFBB had Wayne as their spokesperson. He was the bearer of whatever news had to be given. Good or bad he did it. Ben told him what to do and he did it. It was his job. An absolute perfect analogy is the military. When your commanding officer gives you an order, you do it cause that is what you are there for. You guys blame Wayne for not paying the lower tier at the Olympia. If Ben and Joe disagreed with this then why did they not come forward to increase the prize money. They told Wayne not to increase cause it would cut into the bottom line and there take would be less. It truly is that simple. Honestly, some of you on here are 100 times smarter than me includng Chic, but if you can't figure out that Wayne was simply following orders from his superior thenI swear I allot smarter than I thought. Weiders are control freaks, how can Wayne make any decision without their approval or say so. How can anyone think this. I just don't get it.
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I agree, REAL competition wouldn't hurt, and would bolster my position for the athletes a great deal...unfortunately, the PDI ain't it. They would have to offer something the IFBB doesn't, (they don't) or be competitve from a competition standpoint (they're not)....They actually offer LESS to athletes, and thus offer no real competiton to the IFBB, anyways.
LOL... "real competition wouldn't hurt"
Wait, didn't you make it abundantly clear that there was only room for ONE bbing federation?
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LOL... "real competition wouldn't hurt"
Wait, didn't you make it abundantly clear that there was only room for ONE bbing federation?
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No, I don't believe there are enough world class bbers out there to support two equal federations...at least none that fans would support. There have been other federations for many years, and none of them are even close to the IFBB, or he athletes making any money from them...
In a perfect world, yes, there would be other federations of equal talent/ money...that aint the case in this world however, nor do I beleive there is sufficient sponsorship dollars to support another federation..
McMahon couldn't make it work with millions, TV, a supplement company and top athletes...Wayne has two chances..slim and none.
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Wayne has two chances..slim and none.
Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.
Yet you talk about them for hours a day.
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Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.
Yet you talk about them for hours a day.
Why DO you think they are?
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Why DO you think they are?
I believe the PDI will offer a terrific source of income to many IFBB guys who don't make a red cent right now. And, once Lee Priest depants them in court, the mid- and top- level guys will be able to make a very good living from both. Which could lead to better prize money spreads! See how this works out? :)
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Hint: Requiring a court case judgement to succeed in business is not a good way to get things rolling :)
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I believe the PDI will offer a terrific source of income to many IFBB guys who don't make a red cent right now. And, once Lee Priest depants them in court, the mid- and top- level guys will be able to make a very good living from both. Which could lead to better prize money spreads! See how this works out? :)
If the top guys are allowed to cross over, just how would the guy's not making a red cent make any money over there?
Basically, the guys making the money now, would make more money, and the guys noy making money would just be spending more money and STILL not making any...
Lee has no chance in court.
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If the top guys are allowed to cross over, just how would the guy's not making a red cent make any money over there?
Basically, the guys making the money now, would make more money, and the guys noy making money would just be spending more money and STILL not making any...
Lee has no chance in court.
What? Not even with the full unbridled power of the Lee Priest Foundation at his side? ;D
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If the top guys are allowed to cross over, just how would the guy's not making a red cent make any money over there?
Basically, the guys making the money now, would make more money, and the guys noy making money would just be spending more money and STILL not making any...
Did you miss what I wrote?
Once guys were allowed to compete in both, prize monies could be spread better. First might only be 100k for the O, but 18th would be 10k. Know what I mean? So Ronnie wouldn't do *quite* as well, but 8 other guyss would do worlds better. Just chip some off the top 5 and give it to the bottom 20 lol...
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Lee has no chance in court.
Lee doesn't have to win. he just has to show he will embarass the IFBB so bad that they crack.
Imagine a company where every employee is either a drug user (athletes), drug dealer (trainers), or creative accountant (mgmt).
You think this company wants to go to court for ANYTHING? lol...
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Did you miss what I wrote?
Once guys were allowed to compete in both, prize monies could be spread better. First might only be 100k for the O, but 18th would be 10k. Know what I mean? So Ronnie wouldn't do *quite* as well, but 8 other guyss would do worlds better. Just chip some off the top 5 and give it to the bottom 20 lol...
Man, fuck that, what is this? bodybuilding or a fucking telethon?
I want to see the 1st place winner get the lot, bollocks to the rest, I want to see tears from 2nd place down as they realise the previous years GH has gone to tits, and that the next 12 months will be spent down the 'hot karl' mine
THAT, is how a show should be structured
Seriosuly, has there ever been more piss and win than in this thread?
Utter bollocks
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I believe the PDI will offer a terrific source of income to many IFBB guys who don't make a red cent right now. And, once Lee Priest depants them in court, the mid- and top- level guys will be able to make a very good living from both. Which could lead to better prize money spreads! See how this works out? :)
Without sponsors there will be zero money and even the most ardent supporter of the PDI can see that they are hardly falling over themselves to throw some money in the pot.
The PDI failed before and it will fail again. It's founder had zero supprt in 2004 and sub zero now.
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What? Not even with the full unbridled power of the Lee Priest Foundation at his side? ;D
ha ha ha
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Man, fuck that, what is this? bodybuilding or a fucking telethon?
I want to see the 1st place winner get the lot, bollocks to the rest, I want to see tears from 2nd place down as they realise the previous years GH has gone to tits, and that the next 12 months will be spent down the 'hot karl' mine
THAT, is how a show should be structured
Seriosuly, has there ever been more piss and win than in this thread?
Utter bollocks
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA....Holy shit I'm cryin' over here... ;D ;D ;D
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Without sponsors there will be zero money and even the most ardent supporter of the PDI can see that they are hardly falling over themselves to throw some money in the pot.
The PDI failed before and it will fail again. It's founder had zero supprt in 2004 and sub zero now.
I just talked to Nobody.
He believes you know what you're talking about.
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Without sponsors there will be zero money and even the most ardent supporter of the PDI can see that they are hardly falling over themselves to throw some money in the pot.
The PDI failed before and it will fail again. It's founder had zero supprt in 2004 and sub zero now.
Wow, so you paint the picture as darker now, than before.
Even though now he has lee priest and a slew of euro champs.
Even though we're all talking about it now.
Even though lots of tickets have been sold.
Despite those facts, you placed more value on the 2004 rendition than the 2006 versions.
Hey, do you pick stocks?
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Wow, so you paint the picture as darker now, than before.
Even though now he has lee priest and a slew of euro champs.
Even though we're all talking about it now.
Even though lots of tickets have been sold.
Despite those facts, you placed more value on the 2004 rendition than the 2006 versions.
Hey, do you pick stocks?
In 2004 he thought he had the complete line-up of IFBB pros, all the sponsors and AMI.
Now he has the athletes you mentioned, hardly any sponsors and no magazine support.
The 2004 PDI NOC was a sell out. The PDI vanished a few weeks later.
I placed no value on the 2004 rendition, just as nobody else did, that's why it failed.
For a long term investment, buy Apple, sell Dell.
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For a long term incestment, buy Apple, sell Dell.
And for my short term incest needs?
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And for my short term incest needs?
Sleep with your sister?
Again?
;D ;D
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In 2004 he thought he had the complete line-up of IFBB pros, all the sponsors and AMI.
Now he has the athletes you mentioned, hardly any sponsors and no magazine support.
The 2004 PDI NOC was a sell out. The PDI vanished a few weeks later.
I placed no value on the 2004 rendition, just as nobody else did, that's why it failed.
For a long term investment, buy Apple, sell Dell.
Kevin, in your post two up or so the PDI had no sponsors. So in the time it took you to write this post they now have hardly any. Thats not bad for just a few minutes. And no magazine support. DOn't tell me AMI and the IFBB also tell you what magazines to read. Try Muscle Mag and Muscle Media. The 2004 NOC was a sellout and so is the 2006 NOC. Which means some people still believe in it. In addition, like I said before please go to the show and look in the audience. I am pretty sure you will see some interesting people that I know you know. And these people sure do believe in the PDI ALLOT. Cause next the IFBB will be missing some.................... ............
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I got a news flash for some of you. Guys don't compete for the money, they compete for the recognition. I know tons of amateurs who spend thousands on shows for a $15 trophy and pros who spend triple on what they win from placing in the top 5. The O and the AC excluded. All these guys want is to be Mr. Whatever. Bodybuilding is a niche sport (sorry Intensone ;D) I was watching Pumping Iron a few weeks ago and I was surpised to see how many people came to see Arnold guest posing. Hell, there were more guys at that than most pro shows. Bodybuilding will NEVER!!! be mainstream no matter how hard we try. A lot of you think that if we brought back the look of say Bob Paris or Frank Zane then more people were be interested. Tell you what, take a pic of Bob Paris to your neighbors house and ask them what they think of him. Guarenteed they will say he looks gross and is way too big. Just because we are used to seeing guys like Ronnie doesn't mean the average person will not find the old guys grossly over developed.
Think that bodybuilding has progessed in the last 30 years?? Ask anyone on the street what the Mr Universe contest is or the Mr. America and they will know. Now ask them what the Mr Olympia is. Not one will have a freakin clue. To this day when Arnold is on TV they still refer to him as Mr Universe. I'll bet Joe Weider is pissed about that. ;D
Other than the Olympia and the AC the majority of the people at the shows are FRIENDS AND FAMILY!!!!! The average fan can not afford to go to these shows. People have to work and raise a family so next time anyone here starts bitching about no one supporting the shows get back to reality. Not everyone can use their yearly vacation time and money to go see a pro show. Plane tickets, food, lodging and all the other costs add up to thousands.
With all this said I still think that PDI can make a good showing. There are a lot of bodybuilders out there. Who really cares who the heck they are. Like I said before. Most of the people in the audience are friends and family. If the NOC sells out then it makes no difference who sat in the seats. One thing is for sure, the IFBB does care and they are doing their best to squash PDI before it gets off the ground.
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Kevin, in your post two up or so the PDI had no sponsors. So in the time it took you to write this post they now have hardly any. Thats not bad for just a few minutes. And no magazine support. DOn't tell me AMI and the IFBB also tell you what magazines to read. Try Muscle Mag and Muscle Media. The 2004 NOC was a sellout and so is the 2006 NOC. Which means some people still believe in it. In addition, like I said before please go to the show and look in the audience. I am pretty sure you will see some interesting people that I know you know. And these people sure do believe in the PDI ALLOT. Cause next the IFBB will be missing some.................... ............
Keith,
In the first post I said they are "hardly falling over themselves" and in the second I said "hardly any sponsors". I'm aware that he has some - like yourself - but the fact remains that the PDI is failing to find major sponsorship because those in the industry know that it's doomed.
No wonder the sponsors aren't interested if Muscle Mag and Muscle Media are the only magazines covering the single PDI show this year.
With so many tickets still available for the 2006 show, you're a little premature to call it a sell out? With so many of their shows being cancelled we may soon be discussing why this one went the same way.
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One thing is for sure, the IFBB does care and they are doing their best to squash PDI before it gets off the ground.
The IFBB doesn't need to do anything to squash the PDI. Only a credible organisation could offer any competition and that's something that it lacks within the industry. It could be something to do with whose in charge.
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Bigdumbell...your turn to condense, I can't read this many pages.
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The IFBB doesn't need to do anything to squash the PDI. Only a credible organisation could offer any competition and that's something that it lacks within the industry. It could be something to do with whose in charge.
Really? look bro I talk to alot of people in the industry and I am privy to some info that most will never hear, people love to talk. ;D I know that a certain someone called many of the sponsers and told them in not so many words that it would not be benificial for them to sponser any of Wayne's shows. If "they" are not worried then why call? Look at both Vinces'. Vinny G is out. Maybe he will finally get his pro card now, maybe not. Vince Taylor just happens to be guest posing in the same day as the NOC. I can tell you one thing. There is no way that the IFBB and the NPC are not going to fuck both of these guys in the long run. You DO NOT cross these guys!!!! THey always remember who was loyal to them. Get it?
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Im sick of hearing about all this PDI talk >:(
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Im sick of hearing about all this PDI talk >:(
why?
bodybuilders are gonna make more money.
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why?
bodybuilders are gonna make more money.
ahahaaahaahahahahahahaha hhahahahhahahahahahhahah ahahahahahahaha
rob you a funny dude. more money? yeah okay ::) ;D
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ahahaaahaahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
rob you a funny dude. more money? yeah okay ::) ;D
Wayne has 30,000 that he is giving away at the NOC, on a weekend where there is no IFBB show.
If the show happens, and he does give away that money, will you admit on Sept 16 that yes, bodybuilders made more money as a result of the PDI?
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Wayne has 30,000 that he is giving away at the NOC, on a weekend where there is no IFBB show.
If the show happens, and he does give away that money, will you admit on Sept 16 that yes, bodybuilders made more money as a result of the PDI?
Makes sense to me.. I wonder why Bob refuses to understand it?
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Makes sense to me.. I wonder why Bob refuses to understand it?
he takes shots at its long term viability, lack of quality, etc. Things that none of us know because demilia has kept that info close, and because we won't be able to judge these until after the events happen.
IMO, if it puts $1 in a BBer's pocket, it's a good thing.
If it puts $30k into BBers' pockets, it's a great thing!
And, since all the PDI shows are planned for non-IFBB event weekends, there should be no conflicts. More money... I don't see the problem.
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
I was there,I saw it.He won.
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Im sick of hearing about all this PDI talk >:(
You could always kill yourself.
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If you were TRULY for the athletes' well being, you would be all over the PDI like flies on shit...asking the same questions you were grilling Shawn about his Colorado pro.
Yes 240 and onlyme - Why aren't you holding your beloved PDI and Wayne to the same standards you were trying to hold Shawn to? You busted our balls on the poster, the line up, the venue, etc. The PDI has no web site, runs shitty ads and has you two defending it. What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.
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What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.
It's more than 2 shows.
What about the agreement with the hospital that was a pack of lies?
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If the show happens,...............
Are you having doubts too? :o
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People have to work and raise a family so next time anyone here starts bitching about no one supporting the shows get back to reality. Not everyone can use their yearly vacation time and money to go see a pro show. Plane tickets, food, lodging and all the other costs add up to thousands.
HAHAHA, no shit.
"Honey, fuck Disneyworld. We're going to see the biggest chemical abusers in the world! Kids, you can have your picture taken with Lou Ferrigno, co-star of 70's tv show, the Incredible Hulk." ::)
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Yes 240 and onlyme - Why aren't you holding your beloved PDI and Wayne to the same standards you were trying to hold Shawn to? You busted our balls on the poster, the line up, the venue, etc. The PDI has no web site, runs shitty ads and has you two defending it. What about the two shows that we cancelled, you gloss right over that.
I loved your poster(s) all 10+ of them. It was neat how they change pictures so often.
It's more than 2 shows.
What about the agreement with the hospital that was a pack of lies?
Girls you two have to get together more often andget your stories straight.
Can you IFBB lovers tell me why the IFBB is what 50 years old and yet the PDI hasn't even run a show yet, but the prize money in the first is more than the majority of the IFBB shows. You would think after 50 years of competitions they could maybe raise the prize money a little at least.
And both of you are probably hitting yourself in the head everytime you have to type that the IFBB isn't worried about the PDI and is not doing anything to hurt the PDI. Even you two have to hate to lie all the time to try and make the IFBB look good. Who do you think paid Vince Taylor to guest pose at Udit's show. Odd isn't it. Vince has no money and they knew he needed it badly so they pay him, what 2 months out from the show.
Keith,
In the first post I said they are "hardly falling over themselves" and in the second I said "hardly any sponsors". I'm aware that he has some - like yourself - but the fact remains that the PDI is failing to find major sponsorship because those in the industry know that it's doomed.
No wonder the sponsors aren't interested if Muscle Mag and Muscle Media are the only magazines covering the single PDI show this year.
With so many tickets still available for the 2006 show, you're a little premature to call it a sell out? With so many of their shows being cancelled we may soon be discussing why this one went the same way.
Kevin, please don't tell us you are this stupid. You have no idea who is behind the PDI. As I can tell you have NO idea who will be showing up at the NOC. Please go and then come back on here and tell us who you saw in the audience. I really can't wait. And FLex and M&F are run by the same pussys who run the Olympia (you did knowthat right). The same people who can barely sleep cause they know the PDI is a huge threat. Or why not take the advertising money from Wayne. And it will be a sellout. There are more people coming in from Europe than there was at the entire Colorado Pro show. And thats just from Europe. How about the IFBB shows being cancelled. What happened to the 40 year history of the IFBB. Don't you think they would have it down by now. First the Toronto, then the Hungarian (which was moved to Romania or somewhere like that) ANd if you knew where you would laugh your brains out. Why isn't Flex Wheeler promoting the show anymore. Is it Coleman who is guest posing in Romania. I think it is but not sure. If it is he won't be happy. Please just come to the NOC take some pics of the people in the audience then comeback on here and start telling us what IFBB shows will be cancelled next year. Please do this. I can get you a free ticket.
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There is a member of IronAge . . . Crownshep is his name ( he might have posted here in the past. ) He is an expert on NABBA contests and its history. He also has every mag known to man ( all the Brit titles etc.) I am going to ask him about this and we will get to the bottom of it once and for all.
I will ask him, what year did Jack win his title.
The Beef.
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96
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Keith,
Nice to see that you continue to insult people rather than address the questions.
Rather than insult you, I'll try to answer some of your points..
1. It would be great if every show paid prize money of $1million but unfortunately it's not likely to happen because the general public is not interested in the sport, therefor the TV companies show no interest, therefor major sponors such as Nike show no interest.
2. I can't speak for Isaac, but I do not post about the PDI to make the IFBB look good. Since the PDI resurfaced I've questioned it's credibility because of it's past record of total failure. Remember when you called me a liar for saying that we've been here before in 2004?
3. I would hazard a guess that Gary Udit is paying Vince to pose but if you have other information please share it?
4. I can't comment on Vince's financial situation but I can only assume that he has decided he has more chance of making money in the IFBB as it has affiliates in over 170 countries where he could make guest appearances wherase the PDI has zero presence anywhere? He may also have considered that Wayne's comment about age could have an effect on his placing? What's wrong with Vince being paid 2 months in advance?
5. Of course I know whose behind the PDI, as does everyone else in the business. maybe that's why it's struggling to find support?
6. Odd that you claim such a huge amount of people are coming from Europe to attend the show, when not that many did when it meant something?
7. Promoters are finding it very difficult to find enough sponsors to make shows viable and unfortunately, the Toronto show was a victim of this problem. This is one area the PDI excells in, as they have cancelled more shows than anyone.
8. What's wrong with Romania? If it was the only show outside of the US it would still be one more than the PDI have.
9. I'll pass on the offer of a free ticket. If I have to I'll buy one from a tout for $2.00 like the other 20 people in the audience. ::)
10. Do you know if the athletes wil be paid on the day of the show, or will it be like the old days when they had to wait weeks and sometimes months?
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Evidence has NOT been presented in any way shape or form...not a picture, not a video, not a trophy, not a fan in attendance, not an official that was present,not a competitor in his class, no proof on the internet...only Tim Fogerty that believes an email he saw bearing some"honor roll" list...whatever that is.
Bob Gruskin himself can't find a score sheet, or anything else to back it up...Jack's memory only spans 10 years, thus taking the "5th"on naming fellow competitors, etc.
Try answering to any of THOSE arguments, 240....
How 'bout this... ;D
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=North+American+Championships+-+NABBA&y=1996
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How 'bout this... ;D
http://www.musclememory.com/show.php?c=North+American+Championships+-+NABBA&y=1996
We already went through this on page 2...as far as i know his name and contest results on Musclememory just made it to the internet late Wednesday or early Thursday. Again, please don't get me wrong, i have nothing against Jack, i was just stating a point.
Lia
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Keith,
Nice to see that you continue to insult people rather than address the questions.
Rather than insult you, I'll try to answer some of your points..
1. It would be great if every show paid prize money of $1million but unfortunately it's not likely to happen because the general public is not interested in the sport, therefor the TV companies show no interest, therefor major sponors such as Nike show no interest.
You are right here.
2. I can't speak for Isaac, but I do not post about the PDI to make the IFBB look good. Since the PDI resurfaced I've questioned it's credibility because of it's past record of total failure. Remember when you called me a liar for saying that we've been here before in 2004?
I have no idea what happened in the past so I don't know. All I know is what I am told from the horses mouth. So far nothing he has told me has not happened. Maybe that is why I knew nothing of the cancelled shows. And the dates were moved. Same boat as the Romania Show
3. I would hazard a guess that Gary Udit is paying Vince to pose but if you have other information please share it?
I can't say then I would not have a contact anymore.
4. I can't comment on Vince's financial situation but I can only assume that he has decided he has more chance of making money in the IFBB as it has affiliates in over 170 countries where he could make guest appearances wherase the PDI has zero presence anywhere? He may also have considered that Wayne's comment about age could have an effect on his placing? What's wrong with Vince being paid 2 months in advance?
170 countries? There aren't even that many shows total in the IFBB. What do they do just grab a world globe and start writing countries down
5. Of course I know whose behind the PDI, as does everyone else in the business. maybe that's why it's struggling to find support?
Okay Okay, Wayne is the bad guy and Weiders are angels ::). Dude please people who know the Weiders and Manion know who the bad guys are. ANyone who hides like they do and do none of the dirty work themselves are suspect
6. Odd that you claim such a huge amount of people are coming from Europe to attend the show, when not that many did when it meant something?
Yea very odd isn't it. Maybe that should give you a hint about something. You'll know after the show, then you can come on here and apologize to me publically. And if it doesn't happen I will be more than happy to do the same.
7. Promoters are finding it very difficult to find enough sponsors to make shows viable and unfortunately, the Toronto show was a victim of this problem. This is one area the PDI excells in, as they have cancelled more shows than anyone.
Yes but it still happened and its not over.
8. What's wrong with Romania? If it was the only show outside of the US it would still be one more than the PDI have.
See now this is where AMI and whoever didn't do their homework. Check into it and come back.
9. I'll pass on the offer of a free ticket. If I have to I'll buy one from a tout for $2.00 like the other 20 people in the audience. ::)
I meant to the NOC not theOlympia.
10. Do you know if the athletes wil be paid on the day of the show, or will it be like the old days when they had to wait weeks and sometimes months?
I have no idea, I don't get into money conversations with him like that
Kevin I don't think I made any insults but if I did sorry. Anyway
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We already went through this on page 2...as far as i know his name and contest results on Musclememory just made it to the internet late Wednesday or early Thursday. Again, please don't get me wrong, i have nothing against Jack, i was just stating a point.
Lia
LOL, I know, therefore the grin... ;)
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LOL, I know, therefore the grin... ;)
;)
Lisa
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Kevin I don't think I made any insults but if I did sorry. Anyway
;D
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So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)
anyone got any ideas?
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So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)
anyone got any ideas?
Elvis?
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Elvis?
the beatles?
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Seriously!
This argument between Bob and Jack is getting stupid.
Is it that hard to come forward with some kind of proof
for this victory?? Photo for the event, other people that
has attended the show(more than one), photo of the trophy,
some official note about it. According to the list there has
been quite a few people there. Let's end this now and go on.
Jack get some official proof, and end this!
Both of you are loosing this battle.
Let's discuss the Lee Priest issue instead, because that is
a very interesting case IMO
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Your priorities are with the IFBB guys.
The PDI isn't a threat.
You aren't worried at all.
Yet you talk about them for hours a day.
C'mon 240.
It was DeMilia who was trying to prevent Pro BB's from speaking their mind.
One of the reasons I really dislike him.
You on the other hand, seem to appreciate when these pro BB's speak their mind.
Why not this time?
Remember Voltaire, bro.
"I might disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...
Even if it is the opinion of shithead Manion.
YIP
Zack
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You could always kill yourself.
Have I ever said anything mean to you? Or typed to you before? No thanks to your comment though
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So onlyme is hinting at a special guest at the NOC who will change everything (and also is bringing or attracting a big euro crowd)
anyone got any ideas?
Benfatto? :-\
YIP
Zack
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240 didnt you say you was going to stop arguing with bob over the pdi and ifbb issue. Looks like you couldnt stay quiet.
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Woah, slow down. nothing disingenious of me.
If Jack posts a pic and doesn't look good, what will happen? Vince, Bob, and others will likely post this 1996 photo in an attempt to discredit the PDI. Am I wrong?
it's his choice to post or not. My own opinion is that the more mystery and vagueness a guy has, the better marketablity he has. Once you have 10,000 pics of a guy, there is no reason to open up a thread for a new pic of him.
Chick will never shut up, and he will never admit he's wrong. He's obviously wrong here, so he got quiet. Gruskin gave the proof. Jack did the Worlds the following year. I don't know how one does the worlds without qualifying and manages to hack Gruskin's email and give Joe Tete amnesia in the same day. But these events would have had to happen.
To prove it he could make a picture of himself with the trophies. But on the other hand, why do so much trouble for a prick like Bob. He just wanted to piss off Rhino. Well i dont blame him because Rhino is pissed off real fast. Must be the steroids.
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::) And I won the 2004 Metrolina.....
I can see why:
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Have I ever said anything mean to you? Or typed to you before? No thanks to your comment though
I'm sorry. :'(