Author Topic: Meso vids dbell presses and measuing arms added a better 160 dumbell last vid (Read 22782 times)

phreak · « **Reply #75 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:07:58 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 02:59:29 AM

i think genxxl had something to do with this strength,,naturals do not and can not do this natural at 190lb would do the 80s maybe the 100s maybe for reps

shiiiiiit... I've seen a 132-Lb 16 y.o. powerlifter do 90s for 12-15 reps. And since I was his coach, I know for a fact he wasn't using. Well, he did use ritalin, as he truly has ADHD. Annoyingly so, in fact. In short: epic low standards by gh15.

gh15 · « **Reply #76 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:14:56 AM »

shwo me the 130lb lifter with body composition of the guy from this thread as in low bodyfat% he has low bodyfat which makes him even more prone for injury and weaker if truly natural,.,show me this 130lb 16 year old who can bench 90lb for 15 reps and i reveal my name,,

this is beyond crazy the,,super human ron and i know personally how strong ron is ,,he is the strongest bodybuilder to ever walk earth a lot stronger than platz and christian,,so the strongest guys among us lifting 120-200lb dumbells hormonized for reps and then come the guy from the thread all natural pushing the 160lb for reps truly natural? well if i was him or if i was anyone in england right now id be looking for him for a huge contract because he is officially the strongest bodybuilder pound for pound i have ever seen,,but hes not natural so no need to worry,,if he was he would be walking on stages doing it for living

Hedgehog · « **Reply #77 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:35:04 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 02:59:29 AM

and you are right to a point,,he doesnt seem to have a needle love going on,,but surly orals

you got to understand something my friends,,there are real profesional bodybuilders on this board you cant bluff us,,they dont talk much because they got their real name out so they wont do it to themselves while i can talk about subject like this,,

natural guys who could lift 160lb dumbells at 190lb for reps would be standing on stage winning trophys wether powerlifting or bodybuilding but they would,,the temptation to use hormones if this was a natural lifting would be so high because the person who could do it naturally would be better than steve reeves and better than ron and better than many other in their natural stage,,

Whether you like it or not, there are very strong and very gifted naturals out there.

Those who have problems accepting it, are generally those who are on teh juice and weaker than the natural freak.

Or past juicers with bad genetics and weak minds.

What would be suspicious, would be if his strength, bodyweight et al fluctuated like a Russian.

But he's been a 190'er for years. And his strength, although very impressive, has been pretty consistent.

KevinP85 · « **Reply #78 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:42:23 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 03:14:56 AM

shwo me the 130lb lifter with body composition of the guy from this thread as in low bodyfat% he has low bodyfat which makes him even more prone for injury and weaker if truly natural,.,show me this 130lb 16 year old who can bench 90lb for 15 reps and i reveal my name,,

this is beyond crazy the,,super human ron and i know personally how strong ron is ,,he is the strongest bodybuilder to ever walk earth a lot stronger than platz and christian,,so the strongest guys among us lifting 120-200lb dumbells hormonized for reps and then come the guy from the thread all natural pushing the 160lb for reps truly natural? well if i was him or if i was anyone in england right now id be looking for him for a huge contract because he is officially the strongest bodybuilder pound for pound i have ever seen,,but hes not natural so no need to worry,,if he was he would be walking on stages doing it for living

GH15, are you serious? A 190Ib natural only good for 80's or 100's for reps. I am no strength god compared to many on the boards, but when I started training for over a year and a half I finally got up to 100's for 12 reps weighing 165 at 5'10. I was lean and natural with pretty decent muscle, but not something to brag about. I think it's very possible for naturals with very good genetics to be very strong and push some good amount of weight.

phreak · « **Reply #79 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:48:20 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 03:14:56 AM

shwo me the 130lb lifter with body composition of the guy from this thread as in low bodyfat% he has low bodyfat which makes him even more prone for injury and weaker if truly natural,.,show me this 130lb 16 year old who can bench 90lb for 15 reps and i reveal my name,,

Check your PM. But I don't give a fuck who you are, so just keep hiding.

KevinP85 · « **Reply #80 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:53:38 AM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on October 31, 2007, 12:05:13 PM

thx man.. i dunno to go into nutrition would mean bbing teritory.. and like i said... im a lifter ..for leisure.. today for example i had leftover fried rice.. and prok.. in the mornin.. ive just done training now.. and ima have the same again
thx for the shout out mars

Awesome man! I believe you're a natural and I take your word for it. Don't know if you remember, but I've mentioned a while back that my training partner is built like you at 5'11, but weighs in around 185-190ib, and I've trained with this guy for over 7 years and known him for over 10 years and he's all natural. He's a little weaker but can do the 145's for 6 pretty easy reps with me helping on the last. So with you doing the 160's for a few is very believable considering the genetics and let's face it, some guys are fucking strong!! I have no doubt that there are some VERY strong naturals out there. Not many, but there are.

omgsoswole · « **Reply #81 on:** November 01, 2007, 03:57:14 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 02:59:29 AM

i think genxxl had something to do with this strength,,naturals do not and can not do this natural at 190lb would do the 80s maybe the 100s maybe for reps

Sorry GH15 but these numbers are quite low. i'm only about 190, can rep with the 100s and am not particularly strong...I admit this guy is unusually strong but there are plenty of very strong naturals out there.

phreak · « **Reply #82 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:00:25 AM »

Quote from: omgsoswole on November 01, 2007, 03:57:14 AM

Sorry GH15 but these numbers are quite low. i'm only about 190, can rep with the 100s and am not particularly strong...I admit this guy is unusually strong but there are plenty of very strong naturals out there.

Exactly. Hell, my 15x100, done clean but weighing a fat 275, are probably impossible too according to him. And this was spur-of-the-moment, as I never did dumbell benching anyway. Had to duct-tape a 10-Lb plate to each 90-Lber, as 90s was the heaviest available.

Meso_z · « **Reply #83 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:01:07 AM »

Quote from: phreak on November 01, 2007, 03:48:20 AM

Check your PM. But I don't give a fuck who you are, so just keep hiding.

Why not posting it here?

phreak · « **Reply #84 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:07:05 AM »

Quote from: Meso_z on November 01, 2007, 04:01:07 AM

Why not posting it here?

I don't care about my own name floating around here, but I'm not posting someone else's name without their consent. GH has received enough info to at least look some of this up. If he still claims it's impossible, then I couldn't care less. More proof that some steroids abusers* are nothing without their needles.

*specifically ABusers, as I have no problem with steroid use. I have use very lightly in the past, and liked it. Might do a real cycle in future. Nothing wrong with steroids, but claiming that anyone who is a bit stronger than the average gym rat MUST be on steroids is ridiculous and insulting of those people's hard work.

rocket · « **Reply #85 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:36:00 AM »

Haha, I have no idea about GH15's credibility for steroid information but that is a ridiculous statement re natural DB press strength.

MONSTER_TRICEPS · « **Reply #86 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:36:27 AM »

Agree with phreak.

Meso_z · « **Reply #87 on:** November 01, 2007, 04:36:59 AM »

mesomorph78, could you post some more clear pics? strong for a natural for sure but i doubt you are. Great built though, arms reminds me of Flex Wheeler's.

chris_mason · « **Reply #88 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:13:33 AM »

Great lifts Meso!

bigkahuna · « **Reply #89 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:14:25 AM »

hey meso what do you do on the barbell?

also not taking anything away from meso but coleman does/did the 200s for 12 reps. Meso does the 130s for 11 so there is quite a large strength gap between the two.

MAXX · « **Reply #90 on:** November 01, 2007, 06:59:06 AM »

well Layne Norton does the 150's for reps so i dont see how it is impossible. on the other hand that is on a bw of 220 or something like that.

meso why dont you compete in natural shows? you would do very good.

The Squadfather · « **Reply #91 on:** November 01, 2007, 08:05:59 AM »

Meso is extremely strong but he is not a juicer and anyone with any knowledge of what a juicers size really is would know this, meso has a damn good build but he's not juicer thick and big.

Quagmire · « **Reply #92 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:00:28 AM »

Hey Meso would you be able to post some good pics and stuff other than the arm measurement vid?

Wanocki · « **Reply #93 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:30:03 AM »

Quote from: The Squadfather on November 01, 2007, 08:05:59 AM

Meso is extremely strong but he is not a juicer and anyone with any knowledge of what a juicers size really is would know this, meso has a damn good build but he's not juicer thick and big.

i'm not saying meso is on anything but there are male models far smaller than him on the juice

WhiteCastle · « **Reply #94 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:41:37 AM »

Quote from: gh15 on November 01, 2007, 02:59:29 AM

and you are right to a point,,he doesnt seem to have a needle love going on,,but surly orals

natural guys who could lift 160lb dumbells at 190lb for reps would be standing on stage winning trophys wether powerlifting or bodybuilding but they would,,the temptation to use hormones if this was a natural lifting would be so high because the person who could do it naturally would be better than steve reeves and better than ron and better than many other in their natural stage,,

is a result of hormone use ,,,in the form of tablets on and off with strict bodybuilding training,,cant say needles untill i see the person face to face or more detailed pictures but as cyp said it is hormonized,,

i think genxxl had something to do with this strength,,naturals do not and can not do this natural at 190lb would do the 80s maybe the 100s maybe for reps ,,hormonized will do 100lb -150lb ,,160lb is a very strong person on hormones here and there but still very strong ,,most of the people who look this good natural and lift this heavy natural will be found on stage getting contract for career in supplement promotion and not doing it for hobby

I agree. It isn't that hard to get to 100s for a natural if they consistently bench with dumbells or if they are just generally pretty strong. I can see up to 120s, and for maybe the elite up to the 130's. Past that I just don't buy natural status.

MoralMan · « **Reply #95 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:43:14 AM »

Very good lifting man, look at the geek in the background, 140lbs, belt and gloves on, ipod playing! Just looking on in awe!

Bobby · « **Reply #96 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:43:24 AM »

Quote from: mesmorph78 on October 31, 2007, 12:52:26 PM

18.5 - 18.6 inch arms at 197lbs... if i juiced id be a lot heavier..im not even an arm guy
my chest overshadows my arms
thx man... really appreciate the compliment

18.5" arms and "not an arm guy" are you kidding me?

monster peaks!! how did you get them like that? what's your arm routine?

MoralMan · « **Reply #97 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:46:33 AM »

Where do you train Meso? Muscleworks, Bethnal Green?

MoralMan · « **Reply #98 on:** November 01, 2007, 10:49:25 AM »

Quote from: sevastase on November 01, 2007, 12:53:36 AM

excellent lifts and one of the best builds I've seen on getbig....but please stop with the natural thing. U are a cool guy, not taking ANYTHING from your acomplishments but u are/were on hormones. KEEP PUMPIN'.

Actually "sevastase" he very well could be natural, theres a Jamaican guy at my gym who has never touched gear and squats 405lb for 20, benches 350 for 10 and deads 500 for 10.
Its called amazing genetics.

GroinkTropin · « **Reply #99 on:** November 01, 2007, 11:20:24 AM »

Wtf he took some pics with dumbells in his hands and on his lap how the fuck does that prove anything?