What's considered "heavy" on dumbell shoulder presses?

[dov]

My ROM on standing shoulder presses

105's for 8. Few months old. Much stronger now. Also fatigued

Lower back/hips are not flush with seat/backrest.....not a true DB shldr press...more of a shldr/incline bench press

[Ursus]

Lower back/hips are not flush with seat/backrest.....not a true DB shldr press...more of a shldr/incline bench press

Thats the higest incline i feel comfortable with...also my lower back/butt is as close to the base as i an get it. its my upperbody bent.

not perfect but decent IMO

ty kymou

[candidizzle]

alot of stupid remarks in this thread.   especially the ones about other peoples form.

get a grip. form is relative..what hits the muscle for one person might not hit the muscle for the other. insertion/attachment points.. path of motion... injuires in the past.. differences in alignment, and general differences in structure ... they all contribute to what constitutes "good form" for a certain individual

im fucking retarded and i know this stufff

makes me wonder abotu some of you guys





alex 275 on the military press thats fucking impressive dude !

[chaos]

alot of stupid remarks in this thread.   especially the ones about other peoples form.

get a grip. form is relative..what hits the muscle for one person might not hit the muscle for the other. insertion/attachment points.. path of motion... injuires in the past.. differences in alignment, and general differences in structure ... they all contribute to what constitutes "good form" for a certain individual

im fucking retarded and i know this stufff

makes me wonder abotu some of you guys





alex 275 on the military press thats fucking impressive dude !

Most honest statement you've ever made.

[Ursus]

alot of stupid remarks in this thread.   especially the ones about other peoples form.

get a grip. form is relative..what hits the muscle for one person might not hit the muscle for the other. insertion/attachment points.. path of motion... injuires in the past.. differences in alignment, and general differences in structure ... they all contribute to what constitutes "good form" for a certain individual

im fucking retarded and i know this stufff

makes me wonder abotu some of you guys





alex 275 on the military press thats fucking impressive dude !

good weight though its all triceps. basically no shoulders involved by going that high

[candidizzle]

good weight though its all triceps. basically no shoulders involved by going that high

how can you make that statement ? what kind of evidence do you have for that ?

[WillGrant]

Most honest statement you've ever made.

I concur 

[Ursus]

how can you make that statement ? what kind of evidence do you have for that ?

because its basically lockout work. If i done that i could use far more weight but the shoulders would be worked less.

Its from the clavicle to eye level when the shoulders are worked most.

[chaos]

I concur 

Concurrance noted.

[candidizzle]

because its basically lockout work. If i done that i could use far more weight but the shoulders would be worked less.

Its from the clavicle to eye level when the shoulders are worked most.

i dont really agree.  

you can do the whole movement purely with shoulders...  mind+muscle connnestion is important part of training...

alot of guys just move the weight, they dont contract the muscle

always contract the muscle..never move the weight...  

thats my thoughts at least

[Ursus]

i dont really agree.  

you can do the whole movement purely with shoulders...  mind+muscle connnestion is important part of training...

alot of guys just move the weight, they dont contract the muscle

always contract the muscle..never move the weight...  

thats my thoughts at least

Fair enough everyone entitled to your own opinion.

However, its like doing bench presses and coming 8" off teh chest, yes your chest will develop to an extent though not to its fullest potential.

Using full ROM on standing military presses my shoulders are growing so fast. Thats without even thinking of the mind/muscle connection which i dont really subscribe to at all.

Use good form good weight smart training and you will grow.

[knny187]

Anything over 80's is heavy.....

over 100.....strong.....

over 120's....damn strong......


I was able at one time to do 110 for quite a few reps.  Now that I fucked up my right rotator a few years ago....doing anything over 50's hurt like a mother. 

I now don't do anything heavy at all on shoulder work.  All light weight & higher reps.


I personally think not warming up correctly ruined my shoulder.

[Moosejay]

Anything over 80's is heavy.....

over 100.....strong.....

over 120's....damn strong......


I was able at one time to do 110 for quite a few reps.  Now that I fucked up my right rotator a few years ago....doing anything over 50's hurt like a mother. 

I now don't do anything heavy at all on shoulder work.  All light weight & higher reps.


I personally think not warming up correctly ruined my shoulder.

If you have had rotator cuff problems or surgery don't do anything over haed (pressing movements) anymore

[Moosejay]

i dont really agree.  

you can do the whole movement purely with shoulders...  mind+muscle connnestion is important part of training...

alot of guys just move the weight, they dont contract the muscle

always contract the muscle..never move the weight...  

thats my thoughts at least

Yes.

For complete myo development (IE, not just MOVING weights)...concentrate at becoming the best you can be at making a lighter weight LOOK heavy.

Then you will have TRULY achieved the all important mind muscle connection.

[candidizzle]

Fair enough everyone entitled to your own opinion.

However, its like doing bench presses and coming 8" off teh chest, yes your chest will develop to an extent though not to its fullest potential.

Using full ROM on standing military presses my shoulders are growing so fast. Thats without even thinking of the mind/muscle connection which i dont really subscribe to at all.

Use good form good weight smart training and you will grow.

do you ever read stuff on science of training ? you should download the poliquin principles..o some stuff by some legit professionals...  poliquin is good...there is also one guy from old soviet union who wrote some awesome things on hypertrophy.. i forget his name though; i read it and didnt ssave it..

[Ursus]

do you ever read stuff on science of training ? you should download the poliquin principles..o some stuff by some legit professionals...  poliquin is good...there is also one guy from old soviet union who wrote some awesome things on hypertrophy.. i forget his name though; i read it and didnt ssave it..

No, but i am trained bya guy who trained the 2006 UK BFL champion. burn2live is also trained by the same guy. In 1 year of training from scratch burn2live is now deadlifting 600plus lbs missed 661 in comp, squatting 475 and benching 330.

To much science etc confuses things. basically all u need to know about weight training is progressive resitence, good form and cycle weights. thats it

but i will strongly and totally disagree on you with the idea of doing half reps.

[Marty Champions]

i got the 100's for like 1or 2, epic waste of time seated dumbell press

flat dumbell press i got 135 pound bells for one set of 8 or 9. another epic waste of time because i could only replicate this for just one set

lifting heavy is only documentable when fresh

after your fatigued but still want to workout, you simply cant lift heavy. most quit workout if they cant lift heavy that is why they are fat.

lift what you can but lift it for a long long time set after set. injury free, many sets to failure as possible is key

[candidizzle]

No, but i am trained bya guy who trained the 2006 UK BFL champion. burn2live is also trained by the same guy. In 1 year of training from scratch burn2live is now deadlifting 600plus lbs missed 661 in comp, squatting 475 and benching 330.

To much science etc confuses things. basically all u need to know about weight training is progressive resitence, good form and cycle weights. thats it

but i will strongly and totally disagree on you with the idea of doing half reps.

yeah your right about that... follow that and your good to go

but you can get more technical with it if youd like to

i think half reps and cheat reps have their time and place, especially if you traqin alone...   at the end of a workout during your last sets its a wise move once you reach failure on your own to hit up some half reps before dropping down in weight and going to failure again..(then do some half reps to half rep failure, then drop down again, ect...)

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

because its basically lockout work. If i done that i could use far more weight but the shoulders would be worked less.

Its from the clavicle to eye level when the shoulders are worked most.

I concur the rest are all TRICEPS!!!

[candidizzle]

I concur the rest are all TRICEPS!!!

your not working out correctly then

his triceps could be 100 percent relaxed right there...   if he has good mind muscle connction

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

yeah your right about that... follow that and your good to go

but you can get more technical with it if youd like to

i think half reps and cheat reps have their time and place, especially if you traqin alone...   at the end of a workout during your last sets its a wise move once you reach failure on your own to hit up some half reps before dropping down in weight and going to failure again..(then do some half reps to half rep failure, then drop down again, ect...)

HERE YOU GO...BRUTAL SHOULDERS.

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

your not working out correctly then

his triceps could be 100 percent relaxed right there...   if he has good mind muscle connction

i think that depends on each person not everyone is built the same limb wise and what not. For me a person wtih long arms I dont lockout on movements such as bench, shoulder presses, etc...My triceps take over no matter what kind of mind muscle connections there is.  My shoulders are shot from adams apple to just slightly above my head no more.  I will lockout to rest my shoulders on shoulder presses sure same with bench presses I will lock them out to rest my chest and let my triceps do the work for a second.

[chaos]

HERE YOU GO...BRUTAL SHOULDERS.

Was that supposed to be 315#'s?

[candidizzle]

i totally agree. every bodys structure is slightly different.

i think maybe you should try to focus on keeping your triceps relaxed though...   maybe imagine not pushing the weight up, but pulling your upper arms in with the shoulders... the weight moving up would be a by product of pullg in the upper arms..let the triceps be relax and the elbow joint calm

thats how i do it

[Obvious Gimmick]

long thread that Im not going to read.

I do 85's for 4 sets of 6 - 10, depending on what ive eaten, if im tired, etc. That is full ROM including lockout