As I am banned from Chad's site for 5 years (at least...Hmmm, suspensions, suspensions, suspensions...What is the problem now? To be or not to be (suspended)...That is the question now!
Anyway - Chad, whom I instructed how to use INSULIN back in 1995 did say on his board something along those lines...
I interfered with direct REMINDERS which Chad actually did recognize...
I believe that thread is still there and some of you guys could still find it and post it here...
I might even have the same thread somewhere on my board (like "great threads from the past" section...)
here it is:
http://milossarcev.com/board/index.php?topic=3274.0Does anyone know from experience how Milos dials people in for shows? I hear he uses insulin with the precontest diets. Any thoughts will be appreciated. And also....how does one go about consulting with him...also the price?
Gearge Farah:
Dude ,why you need to get help from someone that never got any good rep about diet and prep. Name one person that worked with Milos and looked *good. With all do respect for the guy he is great pro etc.. But I don't like the way the peole that work with him look on the game day. But hey this is only my opinion.
Chad Nichols
Guys! Enough is enough! Joe Weider once told me "never to get into a farting contest with a skunk!" - so drop it! To put an end to the question and hopefully the back and forth bashing, I've said numerous times on here already, that my beliefs are different than Milos', so I'm not going to make comments on his beliefs. All I want to say is that my way works for me and he believes that his way works for him.
I started this board for individuals who are interested in learning the views of myself, my athletes and the professionals that I associate with. We also have a lot of great guys and gals who have joined the board with great minds and a lot of great points of view. Take in as much of it as you can and see if you can apply any of it to you!
Chad-
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Well I had contacted Milos once or twice. He wanted $4000 to work with me for about 6 months. He promised 30-40 lbs in the way of contest weight, and yes, he wrote me a huge infromative on insulin as I told him I was skeptical of it. He stated that NOT using insulin when you have a large intake of simple and complex carbs after a workout risks you becoming insulin dependant more so than using it. This statement kinda threw me, and coupled with the ridiculous price he put out there, we quickly ceased conversing.
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Milos is trying to make a living just like Chad is. He sells his theories, Chad sells his. Personally i would take Chads advice any day
If only Dennis James would stop working with Milos and taking his advice. I thought he had a huge future as a amateur, but the last few years have seen him lose it. Dont get me wrong, i am a DJ fan and i hope he wakes up one morning and decides to stop taking the advice of Milos. DJ will be better for the outing
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Milos:
Well, as it was brought to my attention that few people talked about me I had to join discussion board.
At least nobody would need to guess if this is really me.
Now, let me first say that I am here to YES, possibly learn something!
I would never stop learning. I have no ego and I would take advice from everyone IF it makes sense!
So, for people that claim that I am talking negatively about Chad here is a challenge, have a courage and introduce yourself and than say exactly what I said!
Only thing that I would always say about him is –his results speak for themselves.
Ronnie, Chris, Flex, Kim, Linda, Nasser just to name the few!
I think I would make myself look quite stupid if I would try to argue his expertise.
On the same note, the only thing that I was saying to everyone about Chad is that before I explained him how to use Insulin (Ottawa 1995) he never used it!
I would emphasize only that. Chuck Sanow personally asked me if I would tell Chad correct way of using it, and I did!
Now, does he use insulin in contest prep of many athletes I am not going to debate?
He actually helped me for 1999 Mr. Olympia and I pretty much know his methods –that are actually not much different than mine, like someone said.
But, that is not the reason I am responding.
I am quite secure with myself as a person, father, husband, bodybuilder, nutritionist, trainer or whatever else.
Some comments here were just out of line, but there is nothing I could do to stop them.
Actually I am quite surprised that rumors are not worse.
As far as my bodybuilding accomplishments, I can only say that I do have absolutely the worse record of all IFBB pro champions. I won only one out of 70 shows that I entered. Now, as that show was second class show, I might mention that Chris Cormier took third at that show. But, how many people have IFBB pro title?
Me coming from Yugoslavia has really very little to do with qualifying for the Olympia for 10 consecutive years and managing to beat champions like Paris, Gaspari, Bannout, Backles, Makkawy, Levrone, Colleman, Cormier, El Sonbaty, Taylors, Priest, Burke, James, Cutler, Jackson, Schilerkamp, Benaziza, Schmidt, Pastel, Cottrell etc
As far as me trying to do what Chad does, I want to clarify one thing.
I was helping NUMEROUS top professionals (names are on my web site) without ANY financial arrangements. First guy that actually paid me is Eddie and that was at the point that I had to do something about it, as I had no time for anything else.
So if you think I am making a business from it, ask the athletes.
Since than I did inquire some of the clients, amateur bodybuilders and I did not get any complains so far.
And for George, I respect your opinion. You are entitled to one, but why did you gave me your card and told me that you would like to work with me?
For me being a lesser man and having no backbone, I might just say I do not go through life making enemies. Instead I am always trying to make friends.
But, for those that want to challenge me in any way including physically, I can be found every day at my gym in Fullerton.
1101 South Placentia avenue, Fullerton CA 92592, phone 714/680-8881
And for some of the guys that have to hide behind login names, and I do believe I know who he is – why do you always chicken out when you see me in person?
Chad Nichols
First off, I'm glad Milos came on the board and responded. *If you would read the posts I have posted having anything to do with Milos, I have always said that I liked him as a person - and above, you can also read that all I said was he has his ways and I have mine -
I don't necessarily believe in some of his methods - but I'm sure there are some of mine that he doesn't believe in as well. *
As far as him speaking with me about the insulin - absolutely - I already posted that we spoke in '95 about it - and I also stated that I spoke to several people *including doctors that year about the same thing. *In all actuality I had spoken with 2 other individuals prior to speaking with Milos. *A good nutritionist who is on top of his game gets as much info on a subject and researches it as much as possible - and that's what I did. *I took everything Milos said in on that day, as well as I did with the info of the other individuals I had spoken to both before and after I met with Milos. *I have also stated that the only thing I agree with pertaining to Milos' insulin theory is the time frame on when to eat after taking the insulin. *Everything else I do is different - so why are we still discussing this?
Milos, I hope you aren't implying that I am the one posting negative comments about you; hiding behind a screen name. Anyone who knows me - pretty much knows that if I have a problem with you - I'm gonna let you know about it. I don't hide behind a screen name. If you are not implying that you think it is me - then reply to that person on here - we have no problems posting it. Put his name on here and we will confront him, I don't care who you think it is.
Since the Olympia, there probably hasn't been one day go by where I haven't gotten an e-mail, a call or heard that you have been saying things about me. Do I believe all of them, no. I'm sure some is true some is not, but I've been in the sport long enough to let it roll off. I'm secure enough about who I am, what I do and my accomplishments that I don't care what people think about me.
I personally felt that you and I had gotten along and I don't personally have a problem with you, as I have stated above. Me and Kim have always been friendly to you and your wife, no matter how you feel about us.
Just so you know, you are always welcome to post on the board - it would be great to have your comments on here. You can post what you want, whether you agree with my theories or not. --But for all the patrons on the board, I want you all to know that this is NOT going to be a CHAD vs. MILOS debate - like I've said many times - different people have different opinions and theories - so pitting us against one another is going to help no one -and that is what we are here for - helping you - not getting into arguments.
Everyone just needs to take the info - whether it be mine, someone elses, or a combination of a little of everything and find what works for you.
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Milos
Hi Chad. Thank you for taking the time and responding to my post.
Right away I would like to make it clear, I was never implying that you are the one hiding behind login name. It is YOUR website after all!
And as I have no problem telling the truth and telling people in their face what I think of them. I was implying to the only IFBB professional I have a problem with and that is Ms. Shari Kamali!
I learned from my parents that if I have nothing positive to say about the person I better not say anything at all, but in this instance I would make exception.
I run into this guy several times before and every time when I would approach his group he would turn around and avoid noticing me. After his pro debut at 2001 Ironman he was scheduled to do photo shoot in my gym, and I made an effort to introduce myself, welcomed him to my gym and congratulated him on Olympia qualification. He was there with Bob, whom I respect a great deal.
I told him right away that it is none of my business what he does in his private life, but I respectfully told him that as a veteran of the sport I would suggest him to change his attitude as he was pissing off to many people (and some of my personal friends).
I told him that nice word could open doors of steel, and bad word could close every single one of them. As he just started his career my opinion was that if he makes immediate change he could MAYBE get somewhere.
He assured me that he is quite a nice guy and everything I hear is just a rumor.
However, I already had more facts that he expected me to know about it and I pointed out problems he had with my close friends Dennis and Melvin, and what I have heard from several other pros.
Anyway, I do not want to bore everyone to tears; I was broadcasting Mr. Olympia 2001 live on the Internet and when I was asked what I think of him I told exactly what I think of him.
I do not respect or like him as a person (numerous reasons) and I think he is pathetic bodybuilder with absolutely nothing on his entire body. Only thing worth mentioning was his conditioning (thank to Chad) and only on first two pro shows he entered!
Also I was asked what I think of his posing routine and I said –entertaining for the audience but hitting 7 poses in as many minutes would not place him high on qualified IFBB judges list. However, I remember very well I finished with –love him or hate him but he did a good job!
Next thing I know some of my friends were telling me to go on his web site and read what he said about me. And he pretty much challenged me, telling me that I am on his list, that I am hiding behind a cameras and he would certainly make me cry like a little ***** (his words).
So I had to answear him (I can post that letter as well) and accepted ANY challenge, ANY time and ANY place. He did not respond.
Than I saw him at the Arnold, but he managed to walk fast enough so I could not confront him (I was already in the cast). Luckily, I catch him at the airport with his girlfriend at the time and as I excuse myself to the lady I told her loudly that I apologize BUT I have to talk to this arrogant not a very nice person, pointing at him!
I told him again what I think of him and it was not pretty! I told him that cameras are gone and I want to see him how he is going to make me cry like a little…
He could not even look at my direction. Real stand up guy, and his girlfriend Bethany was there (later she told me that he is so insecure about himself that he just does things as a cure for all his insecurities, which makes sense).
Finally, after he got a gift at this years Olympia placing 17th (I had him next to last) he come to my gym again. Class act that he is (NOT), passed by me and my wife (owners of the gym) like we were not even there. Next day he did the same.
As he is Weider athlete I did not throw him out.
I have no respect for the man, and that is final thing I am going to say about him, besides that his challenge would always be greatly appreciated and accepted.
Sorry, I just had to explain everything as even Chad thought that I might be talking about him.
And Chad, just like you said I thought that I was also respectful, kind and courteous towards you and Kim. I think World of Kim as she was always so sweet and genuine.
I hear rumors as well as what you supposedly think and talk about me, but I know better how things in our industry are.
I would like to tell you that IF anyone EVER had said that I was speaking badly about you I would like both of us to face that person.
I would never hide, and I always stand behind my actions.
Now, this post is really not what I wanted to discuss with you, but I just had to put the end on this insecure loud mouth. He can talk all he wants. I think Bethany is right about him curing himself with all the fantasies he comes up with.
I would certainly address another post directly to you Chad, I just wanted to insure you that I was not implying that you are hiding (real man does not) behind the login names.
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Chad:
Milos - thanks for the post.
After reading your previous post a few times, I realized who you were talking about. I also realize that you and King don't get along. A lot of people just don't understand him. I've known him for about 5-6 years now and have always gotten along with him great - however it's different for me as you are a fellow competitor and I'm not, so I can see how he would stir the pot with you - the feeling of competition.
I'm not sure, in all honesty, how this whole thing got started. King has never said anything bad to me about you - but then again I don't really talk to him about other athletes - we just b.s. with each other and get to business.
I do like it that you are a stand up guy and posted your true feelings, whether other people like that or not, I respect it.
Like I said before - you are always welcome here - and I think the members would be interested in what you have to say. I think this site will continue to grow - it's only been up for two weeks now and we've already got a lot of the pros over here and a lot of great knowledge.
I wish you luck at the GNC with your guys. I actually thought Titus was the best he has ever been at the Olympia.
See ya in New Orleans,
Chad-
