You know this "religion of peace" thing...

[Nordic Superman]

I guess I have to keep repeating myself until you stop saying I said something I didn't say.  Bush is a neocon.  Bush is not a conservative.

Here, please read this slowly until it sinks into your thick fucking skull:
Blair signed on to support Bush and he was hated by the liberals for doing it.   THAT'S A FUCKING FACT.

OK,

By my point was about labelling. Blair IS a liberal.

Apparently me saying Blair is a liberal is an opinion

[Hugo Chavez]

Nordic, if your quarrel is only with EU shit, why do you nail American Liberals for it?  You always bring up that apologist crap and you've made posts calling us out on this crime or that.  Our focus in this area is what's happening in the middle east and we don't think bombing the fuck out of a nation is the best fix, it is infact in our opinion, usually, that it serves to empower Islam, especially the more radical.  Keep in mind this thread was not solely created because of you.  There is BF and Eldon and others.

[Hugo Chavez]

OK,

By my point was about labelling. Blair IS a liberal.

Apparently me saying Blair is a liberal is an opinion

no, failure to communicate.  That's not what I'm saying!!!!!!!!!!  But you sure in the fuck are also not listening to what I'm saying either.  Again, I did not even address Blair as liberal or conservative and that's not what I meant by just your opinion, sorry.  You seem to not give a rats ass about Bush's role in standing there telling us all, infact being a primary voice in telling us that Islam is the religion of peace.  How am I supposed to get the blame for Blair, liberal or not, for signing on with Bush 100%.  You seem to also want to ignore the fact that liberals turned on him for doing it!!!!

[Decker]

Spain has a a very left wing socialist leaning head of state, Romania and Slovakia ( which are almost irrelevant to any conversation about anything involving world issues that matter) are also secular countries. Turkey was a very secular country until recently where the secular majority in government has now turned to about 50/50 for Islamists. Austria is secular as can be. Italy is somewhat more religious than the rest, but not by much.

Most countries, including the USA, are secular.  Spain is not even close to being socialist so if its leader has 'leanings', they are hidden well.

What mishmash of innuendo? Its a listing of terrorist attacks and islam motivated acts of violence coupled with the response that was given by leaders in Europe. I never said left leaning mayors are gay, I said the former mayor of Paris WAS gay and WAS stabbed nearly to death in 2002 by a Muslim because he WAS gay.

So why are you bringing this stuff up?  What are you trying to illustrate?  Christians kill too.  So do Buddhists and atheists.

I am saying Bush said what he had to say because he didnt want to be percieved as demonizing an entire faith. How is that being a liberal apologist? Its called being a politician.

When has Bush ever caved to political correctness?  His trademark is to give a big "Fuck You" to his opponents.  Jeez, his office is always telling the Congress to go screw itself. 

Ok, you clearly are not familiar with your history. Since the Israeli/ Palastine conflict began, the most vehemant supporters for the PLO outside of Muslims themselves have been the American and European left. If you support a group that wants to exterminate another group, push the other group into the sea and kill the other groups men, women and children, wouldn't you say your support is by proxy an ANTI position against that group? England had the territory ( there is no such thing as palastine), Israel founded the country,  Israel went to war, won, and now year after year gives a little bit back while innocent Israeli's are maimed in the streets. No, I'd say Republicans are anti terrorism, not anti arab.

This is simply not true.  Check out this web site built by and for libertarians http://www.lewrockwell.com/ .  They view, for the most part, Israel for what it is--a lapdog of the US. 

A usual practice how? Please explain. Aliens "might" be monitoring this posting also. Let me get this straight, the Government should convict someone of crimes first, then torture them? You really are an idiot.

And you are a brilliant debater.  I'm in awe. 

The Government shouldn't torture at all.  Have you been in a coma since 2001?  Did you miss this?  Bush Vetoes Bill Banning TortureSays CIA May Need To Use Harsh Interrogation Techniques That Critics Call Black Mark On America
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/08/national/main3919474.shtml

==> WOW you clearly know nothing about American history. Im beginning to think I wasted my time arguing with someone of subpar intelligence. What right winger added God to the pledge a few hundred year ago?

Did you ever pay attention in school son?  I don't think so.

"The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance_to_the_Flag_of_the_United_States#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22

Right Wing Religious nutbags at the height of the McCarthy witch hunt took the initiative.

I didn't poll anyone, if you'd like I will give you precise facts, figures, court cases, links to news articles, etc. Your analysis is completely useless based on your last point. So, in your view, the Bush administration bungled Katrina, social security and Medicare- A natural disaster where inhabitants were given round the clock warnings for three days to evacuate and decided to stay ( My great uncle who was 86 years old and his wife managed to escape unharmed by the way) and two forms of government benefits that have existed for more than half a century? lololol Very astute points.  Even  if you claim the hatred isn't blind and there are reasons for hating him, how does that counteract the fact that the left hates Bush and everything he does whether right or wrong and wants to see America fail in Iraq?

Bush lied about Soc. Sec.'s solvency and tried portray it as a crisis which only privatization could fix (even though it did not even address the issue of SS's solvency).  That's just like how Bush lied about the grave threat Iraq posed to the frightened USA.  Bush's Medicare bill, which became law, was based on cooked numbers to make the overall cost of the program appear less than it was...and it stripped the gov. of the power to negotiate lower costs with the drug companies.  I know where Bush's allegiance lies and it's not with the american people.

I don't care if the people of New Orleans were given round the clock warnings.  How does that excuse the federal government's abysmal handling of the clean up?


Bush ordered the deaths of tens of thousands Iraqis under false pretenses.  Do you admire him for that crime?

[Nordic Superman]

Nordic, if your quarrel is only with EU shit, why do you nail American Liberals for it?  You always bring up that apologist crap and you've made posts calling us out on this crime or that.  Our focus in this area is what's happening in the middle east and we don't think bombing the fuck out of a nation is the best fix, it is infact in our opinion, usually, that it serves to empower Islam, especially the more radical.  Keep in mind this thread was not solely created because of you.  There is BF and Eldon and others.

I don't blame American liberals for shit

Got any quotations from me doing so? Also got any quotations of me calling on any country to be bombed?

no, failure to communicate.  That's not what I'm saying!!!!!!!!!!  But you sure in the fuck are also not listening to what I'm saying either.  Again, I did not even address Blair as liberal or conservative and that's not what I meant by just your opinion, sorry.  You seem to not give a rats ass about Bush's role in standing there telling us all, infact being a primary voice in telling us that Islam is the religion of peace.  How am I supposed to get the blame for Blair, liberal or not, for signing on with Bush 100%.  You seem to also want to ignore the fact that liberals turned on him for doing it!!!!

I don't hold anyone other than Bush or Blair responsible for what they've brought to the world.

Spain is not even close to being socialist so if its leader has 'leanings', they are hidden well.

Don't you think you should research who's the current ruling power in Spain? It's none other than the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE).

[George Whorewell]

Once again I'll go in order, even though I'm starting to think wasting my time arguing with someone who is completely lost.

Most countries, including the USA, are secular.  Spain is not even close to being socialist so if its leader has 'leanings', they are hidden well. ( See Nordics post above, do your reasearch)

So why are you bringing this stuff up?  What are you trying to illustrate?  Christians kill too.  So do Buddhists and atheists. I am bringing it up because Hugo brought up what Bush said after 911 to show that what he said is identical to what leftist leaders have said after terror attacks. Christians and Buddists aren't blowing up trains with innocent people on them, threatening our national security and showing videos on the internet of beheadings are they?


When has Bush ever caved to political correctness?  His trademark is to give a big "Fuck You" to his opponents.  Jeez, his office is always telling the Congress to go screw itself. --> Ok, this is a silly emotional overture not grounded in fact or reality.

This is simply not true.  Check out this web site built by and for libertarians http://www.lewrockwell.com/ .  They view, for the most part, Israel for what it is--a lapdog of the US. --> No thanks I'd rather rely on actual historical facts, not a website designed for a particular political party. I dont need to be sucked in by propaganda. There are websites that fictionalize the real jews are black and that AIDS is a creation of the US government. That doesnt mean by and large I subscribe to their message.



The Government shouldn't torture at all.  Have you been in a coma since 2001?  Did you miss this?  Bush Vetoes Bill Banning TortureSays CIA May Need To Use Harsh Interrogation Techniques That Critics Call Black Mark On America
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/08/national/main3919474.shtml
Did you ever pay attention in school son?  I don't think so.==>  Ok "son" I'll pay more attention in school.  Maybe you should pay more attention to the stupidity coming from your fingers You wrote and I quote: Since Pres. Bush made torture a usual practice of the USA, I would think it might concern you that innocent people might be getting tortured without at least a trial.=>

^ Without at least a trial. Hmmmm... Ok there. Anyway I'm sure your answer to my next question will be tainted with emotion and stupidity, but how should government interegators treat terrorists they are trying to extract information from? Nicely? Should they go on beheadings together? Maybe smoke some hasish? Beat up some women for driving? Pray to Mecca together? Or should they extract the information by any means possible to prevent potential attacks and garner information? Wait dont answer that. " Bush Lied, all terrorists are innocent". What you neglect to mention or refuse acknowledge is that these animals dont torture Americans, they behead them, our forms of so called torture we use against them is an absolute joke ( playing heavy metal music, showing them pictures of naked women etc.) and the conditions they live in at Guantanamo are vastly better than the conditions from which 99% of those captured came from in the first place. Meanwhile liberals line up in the street to demand they have the same rights as an American citizen which is an absolute joke.


"The Knights of Columbus in New York City felt that the pledge was incomplete without any reference to a deity."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance_to_the_Flag_of_the_United_States#Addition_of_the_words_.22under_God.22

Right Wing Religious nutbags at the height of the McCarthy witch hunt took the initiative.==>  What does this have to do with my point about teaching and proselytizing about the Muslim religion in CA public schools in clear violation of the establishment clause and free exercise clauses of the constitution while ruling that the word GOD in the pledge of alliegance was a violation? ( The Supreme court overturned the 9th circuits stupidity with the pledge, but refused to hear the appeal in Eklund v. Byron Unified School District)

 
Bush lied about Soc. Sec.'s solvency and tried portray it as a crisis which only privatization could fix (even though it did not even address the issue of SS's solvency).  That's just like how Bush lied about the grave threat Iraq posed to the frightened USA.  Bush's Medicare bill, which became law, was based on cooked numbers to make the overall cost of the program appear less than it was...and it stripped the gov. of the power to negotiate lower costs with the drug companies.  I know where Bush's allegiance lies and it's not with the american people.==> Yawn, all the problems with SS and Medicaid were here long before he took office. All I see in this argument is more rhetoric without an ounce of fact to back up anything and more emotional nonsense.

I don't care if the people of New Orleans were given round the clock warnings.  How does that excuse the federal government's abysmal handling of the clean up?==> The clean up? New Orleans is a city built under sea level, A Hurricaine destroyed the City, People were warned to evacuate and refused. The cleanup was a catastrophe. What exactly was Bush supposed to do? Use a magic weather machine to prevent Katrina from happenining? When people are too fucking stupid to listen to the governments orders to evacuate, the government is to blame? Actually, more precisely the President of the United States is to blame? Only a liberal could come up with such a stupid and pathetic argument.


Bush ordered the deaths of tens of thousands Iraqis under false pretenses.  Do you admire him for that crime?

Another genius like argument. Yes, Bush ordered 10's of thousands of deaths. I am beginning to see arguing with you is like arguing with someone who has cerebral palsy.

[Hugo Chavez]

I don't blame American liberals for shit

Got any quotations from me doing so? Also got any quotations of me calling on any country to be bombed?

I don't hold anyone other than Bush or Blair responsible for what they've brought to the world.

Don't you think you should research who's the current ruling power in Spain? It's none other than the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE).

did you completely miss the point of the thread too or are you saying you've never tossed that religion of peace crap at me like I was the one saying it in the first place?  That was where I was at with the word "blame" in relation to the direct point of the thread.   You are really a puzzle.  A self proclaimed liberal who spends a lot of time attacking liberals.

I'm done anyway.  clearly nobody gives a shit and the fun is actually in the attack for you fellas.  It's never been that for me so it's sad that you all seem to have an almost vampuric lust of it.

[Nordic Superman]

did you completely miss the point of the thread too or are you saying you've never tossed that religion of peace crap at me like I was the one saying it in the first place?  That was where I was at with the word "blame" in relation to the direct point of the thread.   You are really a puzzle.  A self proclaimed liberal who spends a lot of time attacking liberals.

I'm done anyway.  clearly nobody gives a shit and the fun is actually in the attack for you fellas.  It's never been that for me so it's sad that you all seem to have an almost vampuric lust of it.

Sure I have when I see things in black and white and you see things in grey. I don't blame American liberals however. I will criticise far lefties and liberals on here individualy if they take an apologetic stance (Jag).

I do blame British liberal socialism for the downfall of society and terrorist threat in the UK (among other things).

Decker, do you still stand by this quote:

"Spain is not even close to being socialist so if its leader has 'leanings', they are hidden well."

Knowing that the leading party in Espana is socialist, which was inspired in part by non other than Marxism?

[Eldon]

Most countries, including the USA, are secular.  Spain is not even close to being socialist so if its leader has 'leanings', they are hidden well.

Yes, the return of the hypocrite Decker.................. ...


The Hypocrite Decker says Spain is not socialist ?    LMAO !!!!!!!        

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers'_Party

 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, commonly abbreviated by its Spanish initials, PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Español), is the
ruling party in Spain and the second oldest, exceeded only by the Partido Carlista, founded in 1833. It is a Centre-left, social-democratic, Democratic socialist and progressivism party"



Hypocrite Decker should just stick to telling us how he thinks it was so wrong for the troops to obey their orders, and to go to Iraq...
Yet it was OK for his man-love John Edwards to vote yes, to send them to War !!          

[Decker]

Once again I'll go in order, even though I'm starting to think wasting my time arguing with someone who is completely lost.
 Another genius like argument. Yes, Bush ordered 10's of thousands of deaths. I am beginning to see arguing with you is like arguing with someone who has cerebral palsy.

I'll ignore your simpering.

Do you deny that Bush ordered the deaths of tens of thousands Iraqis?

I can't believe even you would make such a ridiculous claim.

( See Nordics post above, do your reasearch)

Why he’s as wrong as you are.  You see the word ‘Socialist’ and you think it’s a slam dunk…holy crap you’re intelligent.  You have a gift for grasping the subtleties of grammar and politics…I am in awe…again.

Now I have to explain this to you so listen closely.  Spain was a rightwinger’s wet dream under Franco.  The political pendulum swung to right center b/c the Spanish recognized what an inhuman and backward-ass system rightwing fascism was.  Spain is as socialist a country as George Bush was a uniter.

From an analysis by the rightwing shithole “The Heritage Foundation”, here’s what’s right wing about Spain: 

“The Heritage Foundation, a think-tank based out of Washington DC is a conservative think-tank “devoted to the principles of free enterprise, limited government and individual freedom”. In its 2008 rankings of Economic Freedom the Heritage Foundation ranks Spain number 31 out of 157 countries, in which the top three countries are Hong Kong, Singapore and Ireland, and the bottom three Zimbabwe, Cuba and North Korea.”

Here’s the platform that “socialist” Zapatero ran on in 2004:

“The president since March 2004, Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, a socialist, announced his intension to reduce government intervention in business, to combat tax fraud, support innovation, research and development and also to reintroduce labor market regulations that had been eliminated…. “

Reducing government, reducing governmental intervention in business and regulating the labor market…yeah, that screams “Socialism”.  That platform is textbook conservatism.

You just keep clinging to the word “Socialist” b/c the proof’s in the pudding.

I am bringing it up because Hugo brought up what Bush said after 911 to show that what he said is identical to what leftist leaders have said after terror attacks. Christians and Buddists aren't blowing up trains with innocent people on them, threatening our national security and showing videos on the internet of beheadings are they?

No, Christians are blowing up abortion clinics and assassinating doctors by shooting them in the back. 

Christians are killing tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis in an illegal war.  Christians are occupying a foreign country illegally.

Christians are torturing untried detainees.

You’re gonna have to do better than that.

When has Bush ever caved to political correctness?  His trademark is to give a big "Fuck You" to his opponents.  Jeez, his office is always telling the Congress to go screw itself. --> Ok, this is a silly emotional overture not grounded in fact or reality.

Bush Administration Suggests Justice Department Can Ignore Congress Contempt Charges
http://themoderatevoice.com/society/law-legal-matters/14128/bush-administration-suggests-justice-department-can-ignore-congress-contempt-charges/

Bush to ignore sections of the defense bill
http://presscue.com/node/46935

Bush asserts authority to bypass defense act
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/30/bush_asserts_authority_to_bypass_defense_act/

There are 5,280,000 hits for Bush ignoring Congress.  I can do this all day.

Maybe you should pay more attention to the stupidity coming from your fingers You wrote and I quote: Since Pres. Bush made torture a usual practice of the USA, I would think it might concern you that innocent people might be getting tortured without at least a trial.=>

The CIA can torture untried detainees with impunity thanks to Bush and McCain.  That’s the fact oh wise one.

^ Without at least a trial. Hmmmm... Ok there. Anyway I'm sure your answer to my next question will be tainted with emotion and stupidity, but how should government interegators treat terrorists they are trying to extract information from? Nicely?

I’d have answered this sooner but I had to decipher your egregious spelling.  Once again you miss the entire point of the discussion.  That’s ok.  I feel patient today.  Detainees are not terrorists.  They are the accused.  Since we do not have a perfect army, mistakes will be made in rounding up the usual suspects.  Innocent people will be detained and tortured.

Experts say torture doesn't work
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/2601

TORTURE DOESN'T WORK
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1114/p09s01-coop.html

Ex-FBI Agent: Harsh Interrogation Doesn't Work
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2452777

Torture doesn’t work…unless you believe 24 is a real life experience.  It isn’t. 

Either you’re a sadistic bastard enamored of the ineffectual tactic of torture or you think TV is real.

Which is it?

What does this have to do with my point about teaching and proselytizing about the Muslim religion in CA public schools in clear violation of the establishment clause and free exercise clauses of the constitution while ruling that the word GOD in the pledge of alliegance was a violation? ( The Supreme court overturned the 9th circuits stupidity with the pledge, but refused to hear the appeal in Eklund v. Byron Unified School District)

You try my patience.  Try to focus your scatterbrain for a minute.  You posted this:

==> WOW you clearly know nothing about American history. Im beginning to think I wasted my time arguing with someone of subpar intelligence. What right winger added God to the pledge a few hundred year ago?

I answered that the Catholics (a notorious leftwing group to you I guess) took advantage of the McCarthy Era red scare to push God into the pledge.  The rest of your point is bilge.

________________________ _______
You know I thought your name was funny.  I still do.  But you are in over your head.  Follow the tact of Eldon/Ozark/BerzerkFury and level baseless attacks at me.

You have no chance in a debate.

[Decker]

Yes, the return of the hypocrite Decker.................. ...


The Hypocrite Decker says Spain is not socialist ?    LMAO !!!!!!!        

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Socialist_Workers'_Party

 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, commonly abbreviated by its Spanish initials, PSOE (Partido Socialista Obrero Español), is the
ruling party in Spain and the second oldest, exceeded only by the Partido Carlista, founded in 1833. It is a Centre-left, social-democratic, Democratic socialist and progressivism party"



Hypocrite Decker should just stick to telling us how he thinks it was so wrong for the troops to obey their orders, and to go to Iraq...
Yet it was OK for his man-love John Edwards to vote yes, to send them to War !!          

Well, well, well.  Didn't I slap you around enough in the other thread?

I guess I didn't. 

Does everyone see what this tool calls hypocrisy?

Yes, I know, he's too fucking stupid to understand the concept of hypocrisy.

Here's a blast from the past where Eldon chimes in on a thread to support Ozark.

Eldon is Ozark so that makes this even more creepy:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=192002.0

When Ozark is losing a debate, like he was in the Fair Tax thread, Eldon makes an appearance to lend support.

That's sad.

[Nordic Superman]

Decker, you're absolutely wrong.

Spain is a socialist country, as is pretty much 99.9% of the EU.

[George Whorewell]

Decker beating your opponent into submission with baseless emotional remarks coupled with a few half truths and out right falsehoods until he becomes too tired to argue and gets bored realizing reality isn't an important part of the debate, doesn't constitute winning an argument. As for my spelling, I apalagize. This is an internet message board, not an oped piece for the New York Times. I dont use spell checlk.

Your brainwashed and typical of most liberals. I think some mental health experts might have a better shot of curing you than I.

Gods speed my friend.

[Decker]

Decker, you're absolutely wrong.

Spain is a socialist country, as is pretty much 99.9% of the EU.

At what threshhold does a country become "Socialist"?

What are the economic features of Spain that make it "Socialist"?

Calling a leader that reduces government's size, reduces governmental intervention in business and regulates labor like  Zapatero  "socialist" doesn't change the fact that his is a conservative.

Spain is a democracy with a constitutional monarch. The Parliament consists of two chambers, the Congress of Deputies and the Senate. In March 2000, Jose Maria Aznar of the Popular Party was reelected Prime Minister, with the title President of the Government. The next national elections must be held by March 2004. The judiciary is independent.

The market-based economy, with primary reliance on private enterprise, provided the population of over 41 million with a high standard of living. The economy grew during the third quarter at a 1.7 percent annual rate. The annual inflation rate was 4 percent at year's end. Unemployment increased to 11.4 percent during the year, ending its downward trend.
www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2002/18392.htm

In the EU's 15 member states, between 1995 and 2004, the development of employment was also very different between the countries. In Ireland, the Netherlands, and Spain, the increase in employment was the highest; in Germany and Austria, it was almost zero.

What were the differences between the successful countries and the others? First of all, the labor market was substantially freer in the countries that succeeded in creating new jobs. Second, payroll and income taxes were more than 10 percentage points lower in the five best economies (in terms of job creation) compared to the five worst. Third, the levels of contribution from the state for unemployment and sick leave were lower in the best economies.XREF What the successful countries have in common are freer labor markets, lower taxes, and lower contributions.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Economy/hl1037.cfm

Even the wretched Heritage Foundation sees conservatism where you see socialism.

[Nordic Superman]

Whatever, spin it as you see fit, but the fact remains Spain is socialist.

[George Whorewell]

So, let me understand. You are relying on a Conservative think tank to dismantle the false accusation that Spain has a socialist government when it is called the Socialist Workers Party? lololol

This is exactly the kind of Orwellian liberal doublespeak the left uses to refute reality and all concrete evidence when it can't win an argument or disagrees with an opponents position.

[Hugo Chavez]

"Orwellian liberal doublespeak"


Wow... Now that's priceless...  Unbelievable you have the balls to say that and be serious.  gotta be kidding us.

[Decker]

Decker beating your opponent into submission with baseless emotional remarks coupled with a few half truths and out right falsehoods until he becomes too tired to argue and gets bored realizing reality isn't an important part of the debate, doesn't constitute winning an argument. As for my spelling, I apalagize. This is an internet message board, not an oped piece for the New York Times. I dont use spell checlk.

Your brainwashed and typical of most liberals. I think some mental health experts might have a better shot of curing you than I.

Gods speed my friend.

So you took advice and went for the ad hominem attacks.  Good for you. 

I mean I don't see you refute my arguments or evidence.

And in the typical rightwing fascist fashion, you accuse me of insanity b/c you have no answer for my arguments.

That's a double good for you!

[Decker]

Whatever, spin it as you see fit, but the fact remains Spain is socialist.

I missed your argument in support of your conclusion.

"X is X b/c I say so" is not good enough.

[Decker]

So, let me understand. You are relying on a Conservative think tank to dismantle the false accusation that Spain has a socialist government when it is called the Socialist Workers Party? lololol

This is exactly the kind of Orwellian liberal doublespeak the left uses to refute reality and all concrete evidence when it can't win an argument or disagrees with an opponents position.

You are a brilliant debater.

That's been said.

You are entitled "brilliant".

The body of your posts in this thread would seem to contradict the conclusion that you are brilliant.

But you are still BRILLIANT.

I leave it to you to sort out the reasoning. 

The world is a complex place.

[George Whorewell]

Hugo have you been paying attention to the last few postings?  Decker is trying to convince everyone ( including himself I think) that Spains Socialist Workers party is not socialist. He points to a conservative think tanks study to back up his argument even though it is a known fact the party is socialist ( hence the name Socialist Workers Party). If you can't see that as an Orwellian 2+2=5 then you are as delusional as he is.

Decker I have refuted your silly arguments with ease. Maybe investing in a pair of reading glasses or perhaps ginko biloba to improve your brain function will help you uncover the obvious. I don't feel the need to waste my energy arguing with someone who refuses to acknowledge reality and responds to fact and reason with emotion. I have given you several answers to your arguments which you refuse to acknowledge. Theres really nothing else I can say.  OK maybe I can...

"911 was an inside job", "Bush Lied People Died", "Not my President", "Keep your rosaries off my ovaries" lolololol

its been fun pal.

[Nordic Superman]

I missed your argument in support of your conclusion.

"X is X b/c I say so" is not good enough.

1 + 1 = 2

You want me to create an argument supporting that outcome too?

Spain is socialist, run by a socialist party with inspiration in part by Marxism - facts are not up for debate.

If you want to debate how socialist Spain is in comparison with other countries, be my guest to open a separate thread for that.

[Decker]

1 + 1 = 2

You want me to create an argument supporting that outcome too?

Spain is socialist, run by a socialist party with inspiration in part by Marxism - facts are not up for debate.

If you want to debate how socialist Spain is in comparison with other countries, be my guest to open a separate thread for that.

How is it a Socialist country?

Simple question.  What economic indicators scream "Socialism"?  If it's so obvious, this should be no problem for you.

[Decker]

Hugo have you been paying attention to the last few postings?  Decker is trying to convince everyone ( including himself I think) that Spains Socialist Workers party is not socialist. He points to a conservative think tanks study to back up his argument even though it is a known fact the party is socialist ( hence the name Socialist Workers Party). If you can't see that as an Orwellian 2+2=5 then you are as delusional as he is.

Decker I have refuted your silly arguments with ease. Maybe investing in a pair of reading glasses or perhaps ginko biloba to improve your brain function will help you uncover the obvious. I don't feel the need to waste my energy arguing with someone who refuses to acknowledge reality and responds to fact and reason with emotion. I have given you several answers to your arguments which you refuse to acknowledge. Theres really nothing else I can say.  OK maybe I can...

"911 was an inside job", "Bush Lied People Died", "Not my President", "Keep your rosaries off my ovaries" lolololol

its been fun pal.

Conflating topics does not spare you the reality that you lost.  You can't defend your statements so you run screaming from the thread that I'm crazy and that you really did show me.

Ok

[Nordic Superman]

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"In October 1982, the Spanish Socialist Workers Party (PSOE), led by Felipe González Márquez, swept both the Congress of Deputies and Senate, winning an absolute majority. González and the PSOE ruled for the next 13 years. During that period, Spain joined NATO and the European Community. Spain also developed social laws, as well as programmes in Education, Health and Work."