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« Reply #100 on: December 29, 2008, 06:44:37 AM »

Brett Favre is a man who loves Wrangler Jeans.

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« Reply #101 on: December 29, 2008, 06:58:53 AM »

No need.  The 2 video clips I posted links of says it all.  Peyton Manning should be the one with 3 rings now, and Warner with 2.

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« Reply #102 on: December 29, 2008, 08:47:05 AM »

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Correct.  The NFL had to go back and instruct officials on how to properly call defensive holding/pass interference according to the rule book, after the Pats RAPED the Colts receivers year after year in the AFC playoffs, and prior to that, the Rams receivers in SB36.  You call any of those games according to the rule book, and the Pats don't even get a sniff of at least 2 of their Super Bowls.
Excuses on top of excuses here.  The rule you speak of was looked at because Bill Polian (a member of the competition committee), was upset that his soft team could not beat the Patriots.  Ironically, the year the colts won the sb, their db's were among the most physical with receivers. It's funny that when the colts finally won a sb, it was through bone crushing defense.  The kind they used to cry about!  Your above post is your typical crybaby argument (used by sore losers all over the sports world). Lastly, the fact that Bill Polian is a member of the competition committee, and also the gm of the colts is pretty shady if you ask me.  His team loses, and he wants to call meeting to have rules "re emphasized"?  Sounds kind of shady to me.  What's the story with that conspiracy!?  Is that a conflict of interest?  The only guy that seemed to have a problem was Polian. Every fan of every team can tell you about favoritism by the NFL of another team (usually the team with a lot of success, or the team they can't seem to beat).

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Maybe it's because they have about 18 players on Injured reserve, and their defense is getting almost elderly
 
Actually the defense is very young. Injuries have forced them to resign older players.  The only "old" players left are Bru and Harrison. Starting d:  Wilfork 26, Seymour 28, Warren 26, Greene 28, Wright 29, Crable 22, Guyton 22, Mayo 23, Alexander 26, Hobbs26, Meriweather,22, Wilhite 22, Wheatley 23, Sanders 26, Thomas 30.  If you knew anything about that pats (which you don't), you would know the defense has been 80% rebuilt while the pats have remained competitive.  The pats also have a slew of draft pics this year.

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They were caught, and tapes from previous years mysteriously "disappeared".  Yeah, right.  Goodell was doing a favor for his buddy Bobby Kraft, and sweeping under the rug a whole multitude of problems that those tapes would've revealed for the league's legitimac

First, Goodel spent most of his NFL career working for the Jets. Did you know that? Goodel is closer with the Jets than the Pats.  The Patriots provided all the tapes that were requested by the NFL.  The tapes were destroyed after one was leaked to the news station Goodel's wife worked for (which the pats could sue over if it happened again). Wes Welker was just fined 10k for making a snowangel.  Favoritism my ass Roll Eyes  Just accept that the pats were punished, and the tapes were not that big of a deal.  The tapes were provided, reviewed and destroyed after one was LEAKED to the news station that Goodel's wife works for.  You would understand that leaking sealed evidence could bring up some issues with the pats right?  How would a court of law look at those tapes after they were leaked ( when they are guaranteed to be secure by the NFL)?

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You sound like one.  And perhaps their "gift" in SB36 wasn't "cheating", but there's no question that Bobby Kraft and Tags were buddies.  Any reasonably knowledgeable football fan will never acknowledge their SB36 "win" as legit after seeing the 150+ yards in free uncalled penalties they got away with in that game.  See these videos for a refresher in that gang raping (150 yards of uncalled penalties & Bernie Kukar - Incompetent or "on the take"):

The Pats sb's were proven to be legit, and the Boston Herald is on the verge of tanking due to the backlash from writing that bullshit story.  The videos you posted can be found by looking up the loser of every superbowl in recent memory......and asking some yahoo fan which conspiracy they bought into that cost them to lose.  You just happened to find a mega loser with far to much time on their hands. 

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They never changed rules to encourage passing.  They held a meeting prior to the 05 or 06 season (don't recall which), and reminded officials how to properly call defensive pass interference, holding, and other molestation of receivers which the PATS were responsible for.
That was initiated by a member of the competition committee (Bill Polian), who also happens to be the gm of the team that was "mugged".  Hmmmm, talk about conspiracies!!!!  I wonder why he didn't reemphasize the rules when his db's were crushing people the year they won the sb.  They did have the most penalties off all db's in the NFL that year.

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He's an excellent coach in a number of ways.  Not sure about genius, though.  He excels at knowing exactly how far he can push the rules, bend the rules, etc
Your hate is twisting your mind.  Belichick was voted coach of the year last year by his peers during the whole spygate thing after leading his team to the only undefeated 16 game season. Belichick helped produce an 11-5 record with 14 starters on ir and the loss of the NFL's best QB this year. Belichicks defensive plans are credited for both the Giants sb wins under Parcels and two of the pats three sb's.  Thats not even taking into account Belichicks steller playoff record, his unrivled winning percentage and the three sb's he won here in NE.  Most everyone in the NFL admits he is a genious, whether they like him or not.  His peers have the utmost repsect for his football mond, it's clear that you just don't like him.

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ROFLMAO!   I guess Bill Clinton never had "inappropriate relations" with that woman, either, right?
Many coaches have come out and said the whole spygate thing was overblown.  Guys like Parcels said that teams have been doing this stuff for years, and that gamesmenship is part of the NFL.  There are tons of people who say spygate was nonsense, and many people who feel that it was a big deal (most of the teams who can't beat the pats).  Most of the NFL greats (Jimmy Johnson, Parcels, Dan Rooney-etc) have said that spygate was nonsense, so after looking at the pats record post spygate (29-6), listening to the opinions of several prominent NFL people (Parcels, Bill Polian, Jimmy Johnson, Art Rooney-etc), and finding out that the pats did not use taping to win their sb's, I formed the opinion that gamesmenship is part of the NFL, and even though taping gave the pats little advantage, Belichick is that much of a competitor and will do everything he can to win.  Belichick stated several times that they used the tapes later for scouting perposes (which is ok). Again "stealing sings in not illegal....what Belichick got into trouble for was trying to expose a loophole in the NFL rule and having the camera on the sideline.  He was wrong and he was punished.  Considering Welker was just fined 10k for a snowangel, I think the magnitude of the pats fine was meant to send a message to the whole NFL.  I am on the side of the fence that believes that spygate was crap, and you are on the other side.  It's no more complicated than that.  Legit arguments can be formed for both sides, it is what it is.
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« Reply #103 on: December 29, 2008, 11:56:07 AM »

Typical Pats "fan boy" excuses....

Excuses on top of excuses here.  The rule you speak of was looked at because Bill Polian (a member of the competition committee), was upset that his soft team could not beat the Patriots.  Ironically, the year the colts won the sb, their db's were among the most physical with receivers. It's funny that when the colts finally won a sb, it was through bone crushing defense.  The kind they used to cry about!

Nothing wrong with playing physical defense.  The difference is that the Colts did it WITHIN THE RULES OF THE GAME, while the Pats got away with blatant late hits, helmet-to-helmet hits, holding, taking out the knees, etc....    The Colts were just a solid, fundamentally sound, hard hitting defense.  The Pats are cheap shot artists.  The "150+ yards of uncalled penalties" video alone shows enough of that, and that doesn't even include the ass rapings they did on Marvin Harrison and the Colts receivers.

Your above post is your typical crybaby argument (used by sore losers all over the sports world). Lastly, the fact that Bill Polian is a member of the competition committee, and also the gm of the colts is pretty shady if you ask me.  His team loses, and he wants to call meeting to have rules "re emphasized"?  Sounds kind of shady to me.  What's the story with that conspiracy!?  Is that a conflict of interest?  The only guy that seemed to have a problem was Polian.

No, try the entire rest of the league.  Polian is a stand up guy, and was doing the responsible thing as a member of the competition committee.  When one team gets away with murder on the field, he was right to call them and the officials out on that, and bring back fair play to the league.

Actually the defense is very young. Injuries have forced them to resign older players.  The only "old" players left are Bru and Harrison. Starting d:  Wilfork 26, Seymour 28, Warren 26, Greene 28, Wright 29, Crable 22, Guyton 22, Mayo 23, Alexander 26, Hobbs26, Meriweather,22, Wilhite 22, Wheatley 23, Sanders 26, Thomas 30.  If you knew anything about that pats (which you don't), you would know the defense has been 80% rebuilt while the pats have remained competitive. 

LOL @ your bragging about your Pats knowledge - obvious clouded judgement, fanboy.  The impact players on the defense are old.  Besides Harrison and Tedy, 28, 29, and 30 is getting old in the NFL.   The few young guys on the defense (22,23, 26) are not impact guys like Seau, Harrison, Bruschi, Vrabel, and some of the cast offs they've sent to other teams. So the point remains.... they finished with a worse record than last year because of injuries and an aging defense, not because Brady to Cassell is a huge drop off.  Brady = product of the system, and is an above avg QB at best.  Certainly no Montana, Manning, Young, Elway, etc...

First, Goodel spent most of his NFL career working for the Jets. Did you know that? Goodel is closer with the Jets than the Pats. 

I'm well aware of both Tags and Goods backgrounds.  That doesn't mean that can't buddy up with money man Bobby Kraft, and protect one of the league's most valued franchises.

The Patriots provided all the tapes that were requested by the NFL.  The tapes were destroyed after one was leaked to the news station Goodel's wife worked for (which the pats could sue over if it happened again). Wes Welker was just fined 10k for making a snowangel.  Favoritism my ass Roll Eyes  Just accept that the pats were punished, and the tapes were not that big of a deal.  The tapes were provided, reviewed and destroyed after one was LEAKED to the news station that Goodel's wife works for.  You would understand that leaking sealed evidence could bring up some issues with the pats right?  How would a court of law look at those tapes after they were leaked ( when they are guaranteed to be secure by the NFL)?

Hilarious paragraph.   They are cheaters and have been for 7-8 seasons now.  Busted, and the tapes mysteriously "disappear"....  Ummm.... yeah right.

The Pats sb's were proven to be legit, and the Boston Herald is on the verge of tanking due to the backlash from writing that bullshit story.  The videos you posted can be found by looking up the loser of every superbowl in recent memory......

Problem is, the videos don't lie.  Doesn't matter which fans of which teams made them.  The video evidence is the video evidence.  The Pats got away with murder in SB36, a game that was NOT called in accordance with the NFL rule book.  It was called in a way that would benefit their inferior team and allow them to break/bend the rules.  I know it must suck to hear that your championship is not legitimate, but sorry, it wasn't.  The video doesn't lie.

That was initiated by a member of the competition committee (Bill Polian), who also happens to be the gm of the team that was "mugged".  Hmmmm, talk about conspiracies!!!!  I wonder why he didn't reemphasize the rules when his db's were crushing people the year they won the sb.  They did have the most penalties off all db's in the NFL that year.

They were "crushing people" within the bounds of the rule book.  And as you point out, when they were not within the rules, they were penalized for it.  That's why Polian wasn't complaining - it was all legit.

Your hate is twisting your mind.
 

No hate here, bub.  Just a fan of legitimate sport, not the financially motivated gifts that the NE franchise has gotten for so long.  Perhaps you should do some research into the early and mid-90's, when Ortmayer and the Pats were working a plan to move the Pats to St. Louis.

Belichick was voted coach of the year last year by his peers during the whole spygate thing after leading his team to the only undefeated 16 game season.


I already said he was an excellent coach.  Few would disagree with that.  But there's no question he's been the beneficiary of some lopsided officiating.  Like I said, his biggest strength as a HC is his ability to work around the rule book.  Kudos to him.

Belichick helped produce an 11-5 record with 14 starters on ir and the loss of the NFL's best most overrated QB this year.

Fixed.

Many coaches have come out and said the whole spygate thing was overblown. 

Of course... those wanting to gain favor with Goodell, Mike Pereira and the officials.  It's in their best interests to "hush" on the matter of spygate.

I am on the side of the fence that believes that spygate was crap, and you are on the other side.  It's no more complicated than that.  Legit arguments can be formed for both sides, it is what it is.

I'm far less concerned about spygate than I am the blatant one-sided officiating on defensive backs that resulted in at least 2 of their 3 Super Bowl wins or playoff runs.
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« Reply #104 on: December 29, 2008, 12:27:53 PM »

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Nothing wrong with playing physical defense.  The difference is that the Colts did it WITHIN THE RULES OF THE GAME, while the Pats got away with blatant late hits, helmet-to-helmet hits, holding, taking out the knees, etc....    The Colts were just a solid, fundamentally sound, hard hitting defense.  The Pats are cheap shot artists.  The "150+ yards of uncalled penalties" video alone shows enough of that, and that doesn't even include the ass rapings they did on Marvin Harrison and the Colts receivers.


So when the colts do it it's physical play?  I can remember off the top of my head three instances in which Bob Sanders hit a pats receiver leading with his helmet this year alone.  The video you showed can be made for any physical defense.  It's a video that someone with way to much time on their hands put together that is one sided and biased.  Your making excuses for the colts, and it's as simple as that.  Again the colts db's were the most penalized db's in the NFL the year they won the sb, and you ignore this.  Just another sour excuse maker for a team that was as soft as a babys ass. Wahhh, wahhhh!!!

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No, try the entire rest of the league.  Polian is a stand up guy, and was doing the responsible thing as a member of the competition committee.  When one team gets away with murder on the field, he was right to call them and the officials out on that, and bring back fair play to the league.

Lie. Show proof that the rest of the NFL felt the same way.  Your biased opinion is not fact. Also, you call polian a stand up guy....was that before or after he got drunk in the Jets press box and threatened to break the leg of a well respected journalist?  More twisting of the truth to push your biased agenda.  The pats still won in 2004 with the rule reemphasized, and by your words winning a sb during a time when the rules had been made "fair" again. Your envy is sickening.  The pats played rugged, football.  The NFL is not made for pussies like Bill Polian and the 03 colts.  What did Manning say: "we had some protection issues, as he threw his line under the bus"....typical, it's always some kind of excuse with fans like you and with the players that whine.  Thankfully Manning grew up and is now one of the best qb's ever.


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LOL @ your bragging about your Pats knowledge - obvious clouded judgement, fanboy.  The impact players on the defense are old.  Besides Harrison and Tedy, 28, 29, and 30 is getting old in the NFL.   The few young guys on the defense (22,23, 26) are not impact guys like Seau, Harrison, Bruschi, Vrabel, and some of the cast offs they've sent to other teams. So the point remains.... they finished with a worse record than last year because of injuries and an aging defense, not because Brady to Cassell is a huge drop off.  Brady = product of the system, and is an above avg QB at best.  Certainly no Montana, Manning, Young, Elway, etc...
 
Hi pumpster/Bfury!  The most impactful players in a 3-4 are the defensive line. The nose who anchors the whole scheme (Wilfork 26), the DE that ties up two blockers (Seymour 28) and the DE who crashes the pocket(Warren 26).  Out of those players the oldest player (Seymour) is 28....that's the first dumb thing you said proven wrong.  Further more, the current crop of lb's (the guys who make the plays in a 3-4), are Mayo (Defensive rookie of the year Favorite), Guyton, Alexander, Vrabel and Thomas.  Again, Vrabel is the oldest of the bunch at 33. Mayo is 22, Guyton is 22, Alexander is 26 and Thomas is 30. Jr was only brought back when Ad Thomas went on ir. Lastly, you are simply incorrect in saying that the pats d is aging. I showed you that 90% of the starting D is either 20-25 or 25-28.  The only "old" players on the pats 2009 roster are Bru (if they keep him) and Harrison.  Both will be in limited roles.  As shown above AGAIN, you don't know shit about the patriots.  Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about!

Brady is a product of the system and he is average? Show me an average QB who SMASHED every single season QB record, won three sb's and passed for 50td's and 4 int's.  I know you are just trying to get a rise out of me, but your lack of football knowledge is embarrassing. The guy just won the MVP, lol.


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I'm well aware of both Tags and Goods backgrounds.  That doesn't mean that can't buddy up with money man Bobby Kraft, and protect one of the league's most valued franchises.
Clearly you were not....and the fact you are ignoring my point which blew yours out of the water proves you are just trying to be a smartass, and lack basic knowledge of the NFL or the Patriots.  Your not going to get a rise out of me, you seem to be taking far more pleasure in this than me, ha!


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Problem is, the videos don't lie.  Doesn't matter which fans of which teams made them.  The video evidence is the video evidence.  The Pats got away with murder in SB36, a game that was NOT called in accordance with the NFL rule book.  It was called in a way that would benefit their inferior team and allow them to break/bend the rules.  I know it must suck to hear that your championship is not legitimate, but sorry, it wasn't.  The video doesn't lie.
It must suck to be so insecure that you think it hurts my feelings to hear your mindless nonsense.  You're not right, and you're ob quite insecure :-/

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They were "crushing people" within the bounds of the rule book.  And as you point out, when they were not within the rules, they were penalized for it.  That's why Polian wasn't complaining - it was all legit.
Why because you say so?  Again I form a great counter point to your nonsense and you come back with more baseless nonsense!  Show me the proof!!??

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I already said he was an excellent coach.  Few would disagree with that.  But there's no question he's been the beneficiary of some lopsided officiating.  Like I said, his biggest strength as a HC is his ability to work around the rule book.  Kudos to him.
Another lie.....based on sour grapes and jealousy.  Just remember that the Giants won their first two sb's because of Bill Belichick  Smiley

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No hate here, bub.  Just a fan of legitimate sport, not the financially motivated gifts that the NE franchise has gotten for so long.  Perhaps you should do some research into the early and mid-90's, when Ortmayer and the Pats were working a plan to move the Pats to St. Louis.
What does this have to do with anything LMAO!!??  Kraft was the one who put up his own money to keep the Pats in NE, at the time the Pats were making no money, and the best interest of the team would have been a move!
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Of course... those wanting to gain favor with Goodell, Mike Pereira and the officials.  It's in their best interests to "hush" on the matter of spygate.
Why does Jimmy Johnson care about Goodel or Pereira....he is retired, and Parcels was also retired at the time.  More delusional garbage by hd.

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Fixed.
You are DRIPPING with Jealousy!

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I'm far less concerned about spygate than I am the blatant one-sided officiating on defensive backs that resulted in at least 2 of their 3 Super Bowl wins or playoff runs.
You seem to be the only one!!!!  Just more nonsense!  You're bitter as a lemon!!

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« Reply #105 on: December 29, 2008, 01:13:20 PM »

is the most overrated QB in history.
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completely agree.  Unless you want INT's at critical moments of course... then he's your man.
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« Reply #106 on: December 29, 2008, 01:20:13 PM »

is the most overrated QB in history.
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Not overrated, but overpaid!

Just fukin retire already! 
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« Reply #107 on: December 29, 2008, 11:18:50 PM »

fixed. For the doubters, show mw anyone who has done more with less.

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« Reply #108 on: December 30, 2008, 12:47:29 AM »

LOL @ body88's epic meltdown.

So when the colts do it it's physical play?  I can remember off the top of my head three instances in which Bob Sanders hit a pats receiver leading with his helmet this year alone.

No shit - and he was PENALIZED for it - that's the point.  The Colts play solid D within the rules, and when they don't, they are appropriately penalized for it.  Something that the Pats, from 01-07 were not.

The video you showed can be made for any physical defense. 

Really?  Then where are they?  What other teams so blatantly got away with BULLSHIT that there are countless internet sites with video proof of it?   I'm waiting..........

It's a video that someone with way to much time on their hands put together that is one sided and biased.  Your making excuses for the colts, and it's as simple as that.  Again the colts db's were the most penalized db's in the NFL the year they won the sb, and you ignore this.

I'm not ignoring it at all - in fact, that's EXACTLY MY POINT!  The rest of the league gets flagged, while the Pats got away with murder, specifically in 01 and 04, and there is VIDEO PROOF.

Just another sour excuse maker for a team that was as soft as a babys ass. Wahhh, wahhhh!!!

Just another typical Pats fan meltdown. 

Lie. Show proof that the rest of the NFL felt the same way.  Your biased opinion is not fact.

Nor is yours. However, my "biased opinion" is supported with video evidence, while you just claim sour grapes.  You lose, jack.

Also, you call polian a stand up guy....was that before or after he got drunk in the Jets press box and threatened to break the leg of a well respected journalist?  More twisting of the truth to push your biased agenda. 

No, I only care about the field of play.  Obviously that's something you Pats fan want to turn the page on.

The pats still won in 2004 with the rule reemphasized, and by your words winning a sb during a time when the rules had been made "fair" again.

No, the rule was re-emphasized following the 2004 playoffs.  That was the year when the Colts were most victimized by Pats DB's.

Your envy is sickening. 

LOL @ envy.  Nah, I just have respect for legitimate sport, not a farce.

Thankfully Manning grew up and is now one of the best qb's ever.

Indeed, he's far better than Brady.

Hi pumpster/Bfury!  The most impactful players in a 3-4 are the defensive line. The nose who anchors the whole scheme (Wilfork 26), the DE that ties up two blockers (Seymour 28) and the DE who crashes the pocket(Warren 26).  Out of those players the oldest player (Seymour) is 28....that's the first dumb thing you said proven wrong.  Further more, the current crop of lb's (the guys who make the plays in a 3-4), are Mayo (Defensive rookie of the year Favorite), Guyton, Alexander, Vrabel and Thomas.  Again, Vrabel is the oldest of the bunch at 33. Mayo is 22, Guyton is 22, Alexander is 26 and Thomas is 30. Jr was only brought back when Ad Thomas went on ir. Lastly, you are simply incorrect in saying that the pats d is aging.

Every NFL analyst on every major network must be wrong then, and you're right.  :epic rollseyes:   The point was that they are not as good on defense this year than last, and that is why Cassell didn't go 16-0.  I would definitely argue that their injuries are more to blame than 1 additional year of aging on the defense, but the fact is every analyst made mention of the fact that their D is aging.  If guys like Bill Cowher, Jimmy Johnson, Marshall Faulk, Deion Sanders, Mark Schlereth, Ron Jaworski, etc.... are telling me that, I'm going to tend to take their word for it over yours.  Simple as that.  You can talk all you want about how they adjust their scheme, and who they plug in where, but the bottom line is, they are older, and more injured that last year, and that is why the D failed to produce like they did last year, and therefore why Cassell didn't enjoy the same team success that Brady did.

As shown above AGAIN, you don't know shit about the patriots.  Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about!

No, clearly you are a biased fanboy, incapable of seeing your team for what they really are.... an above average football team coached by an above average coach, who benefitted greatly from no-calls in Super Bowls and playoff games, thanks to their tight connections with the league office.

Brady is a product of the system and he is average? Show me an average QB who SMASHED every single season QB record, won three sb's and passed for 50td's and 4 int's.  I know you are just trying to get a rise out of me, but your lack of football knowledge is embarrassing. The guy just won the MVP, lol.

System & non-calls.  Of course, this is a cumulative effect.  The reason they, and he, did so well in 07, even under scrutiny after spygate, was because the talent level was so high.  Guys like Moss, Harrison, and Seymour took lower contracts in order to go to, or stay in, NE where they would be on a winning team.  Any defensive player, after seeing what you could get away with in NE, would love to play there and have a chance to win a ring, and pile up personal stats.

Clearly you were not....and the fact you are ignoring my point which blew yours out of the water proves you are just trying to be a smartass, and lack basic knowledge of the NFL or the Patriots.

Your point didn't blow anything of mine out of the water, sorry, bro.  In fact, my video evidence of their gift in SB36 cannot be refuted.

Your not going to get a rise out of me.....

It's obvious that I already have - you're in full blown meltmode.

It must suck to be so insecure that you think it hurts my feelings to hear your mindless nonsense.  You're not right, and you're ob quite insecure :-/ 

LOL - another resident Freud.  Knock yourself out, dude.  :rollseyes:

Why because you say so?  Again I form a great counter point to your nonsense and you come back with more baseless nonsense!  Show me the proof!!??

I've already shown you non-refutable video proof.  And if your "great counter point" was so great, then why do I not even know which of your fanboy rants you're even referring to?  You haven't even scored a point, let alone a "great counter point".

Another lie.....based on sour grapes and jealousy.  Just remember that the Giants won their first two sb's because of Bill Belichick  Smiley   

The Giants won because of Bill Parcells.  The same Bill Parcells that turned 1-15 Miami into a 11-5 division winner and playoff team.

What does this have to do with anything LMAO!!??  Kraft was the one who put up his own money to keep the Pats in NE, at the time the Pats were making no money, and the best interest of the team would have been a move!

The fact that you don't even know what I'm talking about here shows that you lack a significant amount of knowledge regarding your own teams history, and their near move to STL in the early-mid 90's.  Do some lookups on Steve Ortmayer, Jerry Clinton, Bobby Kraft, etc... and see what you come up with.

More delusional garbage by hd.
You are DRIPPING with Jealousy!
You seem to be the only one!!!!  Just more nonsense!  You're bitter as a lemon!!

No, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  Wink
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Youre going to compare the Raiders when Jackson was there to the fucking Sanders' Lions? Surely youre kidding.

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« Reply #110 on: December 30, 2008, 07:24:39 PM »

Surely youre not so retarded that you would say manning is just a media darling? Have you ever watched a football game or sports stat? Idiot.

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No -- only an idiot would assume that someone else would think Manning isn't one of the greatest of all-time.

So no, I'm not saying he's "only" a media darling. He certainly is. He's also one of the greatest quarterbacks ever.

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« Reply #111 on: January 07, 2009, 06:55:25 AM »

I think that Brett Favre should just retire from football and start weight lifting/ bodybuilding.
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« Reply #112 on: January 07, 2009, 07:20:02 AM »

People that spend so much goddamn time preoccupied with football and quarterbacks are f'in losers!
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« Reply #113 on: January 07, 2009, 07:27:00 AM »

definetly not overrated- 3 time MVP ( Only Peyton manning has done that besides Favre), two superbowl appearences, one superbowl win+ the various records he holds.- Who gives a shit if he has the most int's? He's a gunslinger who takes a lot of risks. If not having a lot of int's mattered so much, Chad Pennington would be a hall of famer. As long as your teams win and you throw a lot of Td's, who cares? Outside of maybe a five year period between 95-00 ( which resulted in two superbowl appearences), he has played on mediocere teams where he has largely been the entire offense ( maybe throw in one or two years where Ahmad whats hisname was the running back and wasn't injured). He's a leader, a tough guy and has a rocket for an arm.

I do think that the idiots at ESPN overhype him way way way too much to the point where everyone is sick of hearing about him. As far as this year goes, he didn't play well down the stretch- But I blame a lot of that on the awful Jets coaching staff who tried to transform him into Chad Pennington instead of letting him be himself and throw the ball down field. Also, he had no game breaking receivers to throw to except the halfway decent and malcontent Laverneus Coles who dropped 80 million balls. That being said, he shouldn't have made the pro bowl this year, but who cares? Its a popularity contest.
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« Reply #114 on: January 07, 2009, 07:50:28 AM »


'Favre' is the new f-word.
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« Reply #115 on: January 07, 2009, 07:51:27 AM »

it's time to retire favre! don't be a hanger on and get punch drunk for the rest of your life! it would be different if he was on a super bowl contending team, but he's not and won't be so yeah you still love to play, but why play if you lose more than you win at this point in your career?

now, speaking of favre being such a 'good guy and a 'stand up guy" not to blow anyone's personal opinion of the man, but this is the same guy who has/had a addiction problem with scrips and also back in the day was known as one of the "three amigos" around town hanging out with mark chmura (?!) and was a known womanizer and getting plastered while wife and the kiddies were at home.
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« Reply #116 on: January 07, 2009, 08:01:10 AM »

I' know i'm jumping in late here but here's a few opinions.

When the Jets signed Favre, I wasn't overly thrilled. He was a good QB who got weekly blowjobs from the media no matter what he did on the field, which was throw a LOT of picks. especially later in his career. His "gunslinger" days were long gone.

Emmit smith was a FUCKING GREAT Running back. Scored TD's, had the heart of a lion and didn't put the ball on the ground. Barry Sanders was the best runner I have ever seen, but has zero rings.


The Patriots got away with MURDER in the secondary, I don't give a shit how many reports and stats you want to pull out of your ass. Their is physical play, and then there's laying the guy out before the ball arrives.
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« Reply #117 on: January 07, 2009, 08:05:34 AM »

Epic use of the qoute function in this thread Shocked
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« Reply #118 on: January 09, 2009, 12:18:36 AM »

The Patriots got away with MURDER in the secondary, I don't give a shit how many reports and stats you want to pull out of your ass. Their is physical play, and then there's laying the guy out before the ball arrives.

Quoted for MASSIVE truth.

I will NEVER acknowledge them as the champions of SB36, and the Colts probably should've made it to one or two more SB's too.
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« Reply #119 on: January 09, 2009, 12:34:31 AM »

jesus christ!!  Shocked

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« Reply #120 on: January 09, 2009, 10:23:51 AM »

it's time to retire favre! don't be a hanger on and get punch drunk for the rest of your life! it would be different if he was on a super bowl contending team, but he's not and won't be so yeah you still love to play, but why play if you lose more than you win at this point in your career?

now, speaking of favre being such a 'good guy and a 'stand up guy" not to blow anyone's personal opinion of the man, but this is the same guy who has/had a addiction problem with scrips and also back in the day was known as one of the "three amigos" around town hanging out with mark chmura (?!) and was a known womanizer and getting plastered while wife and the kiddies were at home.

Brett is all about Brett, he doesn't care about the team, he only cares about himself.  The Packers move forward because Brett said he was retiring then when he decides to un-retire he makes them look like the bad guys.  He left Green Bay in limbo for too many years.  Brett is someone who thinks he's entitled to things simply because he's Brett Favre.  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both work very hard for where their at.  Brett Favre didn't even know what a Nickel defense was until he was in the league for a few years.  Brett Favre is the most overrated QB in the history of NFL IMO.
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« Reply #121 on: January 09, 2009, 10:27:25 AM »

Brett is all about Brett, he doesn't care about the team, he only cares about himself.  The Packers move forward because Brett said he was retiring then when he decides to un-retire he makes them look like the bad guys.  He left Green Bay in limbo for too many years.  Brett is someone who thinks he's entitled to things simply because he's Brett Favre.  Peyton Manning and Tom Brady both work very hard for where their at.  Brett Favre didn't even know what a Nickel defense was until he was in the league for a few years.  Brett Favre is the most overrated QB in the history of NFL IMO.
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« Reply #122 on: January 09, 2009, 10:41:15 AM »

Yes, the leagues 3 time MVP is over-rated...

I am so glad that my favorite athlete of all-time, Larry Bird, retired before he faded too badly and was scrutinized by today sports fan with the attention span of a hummingbird. 
wow, how quickly people forget...
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« Reply #123 on: January 09, 2009, 09:34:51 PM »

Yes, the leagues 3 time MVP is over-rated...

I am so glad that my favorite athlete of all-time, Larry Bird, retired before he faded too badly and was scrutinized by today sports fan with the attention span of a hummingbird. 
wow, how quickly people forget...

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