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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #75 on: February 26, 2009, 12:38:43 PM »


He makes some very good points.that cover alot of the things people have posted in this thread.
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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #76 on: February 26, 2009, 12:48:57 PM »


judge telling it like it is




cops speaking the truth as well
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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #77 on: February 26, 2009, 12:50:52 PM »
I support legalization, but it just seems their movement would be so much more successful if it wasn't pushed and vocalized by neo-hippie douche bags with pathetic justifications. "We need it to sleep" or "I have ambiguous back pain and all that helps is the gange", is just weak sauce.  The powers that be can see right through that bullshit.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #78 on: February 26, 2009, 01:01:41 PM »
I support legalization, but it just seems their movement would be so much more successful if it wasn't pushed and vocalized by neo-hippie douche bags with pathetic justifications. "We need it to sleep" or "I have ambiguous back pain and all that helps is the gange", is just weak sauce.  The powers that be can see right through that bullshit.

Indeed!!

There are plenty of sleep aids and medicines for back pain. But, I don't recall anyone firing up a Sominex blunt, or rolling down the street, smoking Doan's pills, sipping on gin and juice.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #79 on: February 26, 2009, 01:07:46 PM »
this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday. 

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K

yep.thats a very good documentary.Although most getbig members have ADHD.they won't watch a ten minute vid let alone an hour and half film.they will just argue there uninformed opinion.that film has good science and statistics backing it.
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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #80 on: February 26, 2009, 01:12:54 PM »
Indeed!!

There are plenty of sleep aids and medicines for back pain. But, I don't recall anyone firing up a Sominex blunt, or rolling down the street, smoking Doan's pills, sipping on gin and juice.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #81 on: February 26, 2009, 01:19:31 PM »
this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday. 

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K

I wonder if anyone else will watch.  ???

240, tonymctones you going to watch?

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #82 on: February 26, 2009, 01:41:17 PM »
this is a really good film on the subject posted by MB yesterday. 

http://www.megavideo.com/?v=EYOZY16K

I listened to about 30 minutes.  It's clearly an advocacy piece.  Not a documentary.  Citing Snoop Dogg and other music industry figures as people who smoke pot doesn't really help.  lol.   :)

But it is informative.  I'd be interested to hear the other side of the argument. 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #83 on: February 26, 2009, 01:52:48 PM »
he starts explaining "The Union" @ the 49th minute. Then gets into the prison industrial complex after

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #84 on: February 26, 2009, 02:15:55 PM »
I doubt that.  Proof? 

Some state laws:

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4564
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4530
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4552
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4528
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4555

Many states include prison time for even less than 1 1/2 ounces. Generally it is several years for more than several ounces simply for possession, especially if it is a 2nd or 3rd offense.

It's not uncommon for someone to spend SEVERAL YEARS in prison all over marijuana possession.

Federal laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4575

Possession
Any amount (first offense)    misdemeanor    1 year

Sale or Cultivation
Less than 50 kg    felony    5 years
50 to 100 kg    felony    20 years
100 to 1,000 kg    felony    5 - 40 years    
1000 kg or more    felony    10 years - life    


So someone growing a large farm with Marijuana can get LIFE in prison. LIFE in prison for growing a plant!

Free country? BULLSHIT!


More info....


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Since 1992, approximately six million Americans have been arrested on marijuana charges, a greater number than the entire populations of Alaska, Delaware, the District of Columbia, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont and Wyoming combined. 


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YEAR                       MARIJUANA ARRESTS

2001                    723,627
2000                    734,498
1999                    704,812
1998                    682,885
1997                    695,200
1996                    641,642
1995                    588,963
1994                    499,122
1993                    380,689
1992                    342,314



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"Prisoners sentenced for drug offenses constituted the largest group of Federal inmates (55%) in 2001, down from 60% in 1995 (table 18). On September 30, 2001, the date of the latest available data in the Federal Justice Statistics Program, Federal prisons held 78,501 sentenced drug offenders, compared to 52,782 in 1995."

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Over 80% of the increase in the federal prison population from 1985 to 1995 was due to drug convictions.


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"The United States has the highest prison population rate in the world, some 701 per 100,000 of the national population."


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According to a report on prison growth by the Urban Institute's Justice Policy Center, "Every dollar transferred to a “prison community” is a dollar that is not given to the home community of a prisoner, which is often among the country’s most disadvantaged urban areas.


http://skeptically.org/recdrugs/id8.html




55 years in prison for selling marijuana
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm


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Jonathan Magbie died three months ago while serving a 10-day sentence for marijuana possession in a jail in Washington, D.C. Magbie, a 27-year-old quadriplegic, used marijuana to treat his chronic pain. He was unable to breathe on his own, and the jail -- unequipped to meet his medical needs -- allowed him to die while in custody.
 
And last year, a 19-year-old Florida college student was brutally raped by his cellmate while serving the first of four weekends in jail for a small-scale marijuana offense.
 
And the year before that, 20-year-old Jose Colon -- just months away from being the first in his family to obtain a college degree -- was shot and killed by police in a raid in which eight ounces of marijuana were seized. Colon wasn't even a suspect. He just happened to be visiting the house being raided, and he had no drugs or weapons on him.

http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #85 on: February 26, 2009, 02:24:48 PM »
The "lives ruined" are the fault of the possesors of those lives (and that weed). They broke the law and got CAUGHT! Yet, you're blaiming the COPS, for doing their job?

Lost in all this blubbering is the simple fact that legalizing weed isn’t going to help California one bit.


California’s had a great economy before, and it didn’t have to legalize weed (or any other recreational drugs) to do it. Then again, with some of the goofball policies in that state, the politicians there are probably already smoking ganga.



Your logic is GROTESQUE.


The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.

Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.

It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.

I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.


Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #86 on: February 26, 2009, 03:20:51 PM »
Hey, at least he could smoke a doob to ease the pain, eh?  :D

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #87 on: February 26, 2009, 03:42:12 PM »
I listened to about 30 minutes.  It's clearly an advocacy piece.  Not a documentary.  Citing Snoop Dogg and other music industry figures as people who smoke pot doesn't really help.  lol.   :)

But it is informative.  I'd be interested to hear the other side of the argument. 

haha.listened to 30 minutes and got snoop dog out of it.now we see the mentality were dealing with here.wow!
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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #88 on: February 26, 2009, 05:18:52 PM »
what you did liberalismo is provide parameters you know and i know that generally on a first offense you arent given the full penalty sure theyre exceptions but you normally will not serve prison time for simple possesion if its not deemed you were selling the drug b/c you have an obscene amount of it....FUCK YEA you get life if youre in possesion of 1000 kilos? LOL WTF ARE THINKING. Im sure ppl who went to jail for traffic tickets or any number of other small crimes have been harmed in jail thats no arguement to get rid of traffic laws and your examples are no arguement to get rid of marijuana laws.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #89 on: February 26, 2009, 05:32:18 PM »
I don't remember the snoop dogg part, must have been small.  They didn't cite these guys, they just had spots of opinion like from Joe Rogan dropped in.  Nothing to do with the information covered.  Odd you're interested in the other side of the argument after cutting short the side you heard from.  I will give you props for listening to 30 minutes.  That's a record for you.

I had to go look for the snoop part, they just noted all the musicians that smoke pot and ran through a quick list of some names.  big deal. You made it sound like he was cited as some expert or something.  The film is really good.

Are you kidding?  Are they going to say something profound in the remaining 45 minutes that I didn't watch?  I doubt it.  I know what the basic arguments are in favor legalization and they really didn't say much that I hadn't already heard in the first 30 minutes. 

I could go back and highlight all of the dum dums who they mentioned and who made dumb comments, but the funniest is Snoop.  What a role model.  lol . . .

If I get a chance and I have the desire I might look for the other side of the coin.  I doubt it's as harmless as they tried to make it out to be. 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #90 on: February 26, 2009, 05:38:44 PM »
Some state laws:

http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4564
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4530
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4552
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4528
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4555

Many states include prison time for even less than 1 1/2 ounces. Generally it is several years for more than several ounces simply for possession, especially if it is a 2nd or 3rd offense.

It's not uncommon for someone to spend SEVERAL YEARS in prison all over marijuana possession.

Federal laws:
http://norml.org/index.cfm?wtm_view=&Group_ID=4575

Possession
Any amount (first offense)    misdemeanor    1 year

Sale or Cultivation
Less than 50 kg    felony    5 years
50 to 100 kg    felony    20 years
100 to 1,000 kg    felony    5 - 40 years    
1000 kg or more    felony    10 years - life    


So someone growing a large farm with Marijuana can get LIFE in prison. LIFE in prison for growing a plant!

Free country? BULLSHIT!


More info....








http://skeptically.org/recdrugs/id8.html




55 years in prison for selling marijuana
http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm


http://www.rense.com/general61/insane.htm

Sorry but this does not support your contention that:  "There are tons of incidences where simple possession has led to many years behind bars. Lives ruined. You've never established that most possession charges do not result in prison or even long term jail time."

The people spending "many years behind bars" are probably dealers or those dumb enough to have enough to make it look like they are dealers. 

If someone doesn't want their life "ruined" for breaking the law then they shouldn't break the law.   

 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #91 on: February 26, 2009, 05:41:35 PM »

Your logic is GROTESQUE.


The lives ruined by the drug war is NOT the fault of the drug offenders, but rather the government. EVERYONE has the right to put what they want into their own bodies, period. The government does not have a right to rob people of their civil liberties and freedom.

Your argument is that if a law exists, and if someone breaks it and is punished, it is the persons fault who breaks the law. But this reasoning is fallacious because not all laws are just.

It would be like claiming that slaves who run away from their masters, and thus broke the law, were at fault if they got punished. You're ignoring the fact that slavery itself is unjust, just as you are ignoring the fact that drug laws are inherently unjust and irrational.

I'm not blaming the cops. I'm blaming the politicians. The lawmakers.


Legalizing marijuana will help California and it will help the United States in general. It will save money. Period.
Marijuana has had a decent economy in the past with Marijuana outlawed, but if marijuana were legal at that time it would have been even better. And right now neither California or the United states can afford throwing people in prison over plants.

Nonsense.  You may disagree with drug laws, but they are not unjust and I doubt those spending time in prison for violating drug laws were engaging in civil disobedience.  Comparing drug laws to slavery is beyond idiotic.  You should slap yourself upside the head for that one. 

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #92 on: February 26, 2009, 05:48:52 PM »
He's done stuff like that the whole time he's been on getbig.  Back in general, his favorite thing to do was to pick out one sentence from whatever you posted and make a case of it, ignoring the rest of the story.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #93 on: February 26, 2009, 06:04:18 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: February 26, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »
You guys that hang on to these old beliefs.and support unjust outdated laws are dinosaurs.I don't even smoke weed.but I support a persons right to put what they want in there body steroids,weed,alcohol, what ever.I mean seriously you think our government is just in outlawing a Plant?Really?seriously?give me a break.
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« Reply #95 on: February 26, 2009, 06:24:48 PM »
we promise to examine 1/3 of what you post as the other side of the coin. ::)

Trying . . . to . . . give . . . a . . . rip. . . . . Sorry.  Cannot.  :)  You have way too much emotionally invested in this board.   ::)

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« Reply #96 on: February 26, 2009, 06:33:43 PM »
we promise to examine 1/3 of what you post as the other side of the coin. ::)

man its pointless...don't mention the profitability of hemp.the provin propaganda and out right lies of negative health effects.dismiss the cops saying it's a waste of time and tax payer money.don't worry about the pharmaceutical companies that fight like hell to keep it illegal so they can keep there clientele high.(it's not what drugs your taking it's who's).never mind the 2 years of research they did on the subject prior to making the film..............SNOOP DOG...?
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« Reply #97 on: February 26, 2009, 06:44:35 PM »
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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #98 on: February 26, 2009, 06:58:58 PM »
i hear this pro-weed stuff form my brother every day.  i dont buy it.  too many ignorant assholes would be handing it to their little brothers on the playgrounds.  too many selfish cuuntrags would smoke for 8 hours then drive to the CircleK and run me over.

Nope.  I'd pistol whip the shit out of a drunk driver if he hit me, and i'd do the same to a weeded out driver.  Fuck you, get behind the wheel without your bearings.

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Re: tax Marijuana to save the economy?
« Reply #99 on: February 26, 2009, 07:09:02 PM »
240, do you also think industrial hemp should stay illegal?  They can't smoke that and drive.  They'll just be layed out with a massive headache and no buz.

legalize that, i'm fine with that.  i'm fine with anything to fix the economy.

(drill baby drill would only make fatcats rich, let's be honest here)

All I know is, there are so many ignorant fvcks in my town who would smoke and drive.  If I saw it today, I'd probably goad him into a fight, subdue the guy and make a citizens arrest on the pot driving.  Yes, I would.  I'm that kinda asshole, a real advocate for safe roads.  Plus when I was little, a girl from my grade school was killed by a drunk driver.  And after my wife got hit, that was the last straw.  I do see ppl at bars and I do start shit with them for driving drunk.  I'll call a guy a piece of shit in front of his girl, etc, and yes, I really do.  Go ahead and swing. The cops will come and guess what, you ain't drivin then.

Meltdown.  I hate DUI pricks.  Hate them with a passion.