How bad can waterboarding really be?

[tonymctones]

I don't follow imaginary figures.

then quit bringing your imaginary figures up...

[Deicide]

then quit bringing your imaginary figures up...

But you do.

[tonymctones]

But you do.

i didnt bring him up you did, when you asserted that b/c bb was a christian he shouldnt feel the way he does...

[loco]

America, where criminals have more rights than their victims.   

[gcb]

What a terrible example...the Spanish Inquisition, are you serious? That was a tyrannical organisation whose main purpose was to enforce obedience in others, forceably covert the unwilling and sow fear. Bad example.

NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

[gcb]

They should carry out waterboarding in every school in America since it's so much fun!

[Fury]

Only one way to know; have it done to you.

I was going to say earlier in the thread that I'm open to having it done to me. Sup CIA!

[The ChemistV2]

I was going to say earlier in the thread that I'm open to having it done to me. Sup CIA!

Unfortunately, unless you're a terrorist, deviate, degenerate or criminal lowlife, your waterboarding won't illicit any sympathy from the liberals. Those are the types whose rights they are obviously most interested in protecting.

[IFBBwannaB]

I was going to say earlier in the thread that I'm open to having it done to me. Sup CIA!

I heard that Matzi and TA want to get waterboarded too....but they want them to replace the water with cum...I think it's called a gay bukake but who am I to judge? 

[drkaje]

I was going to say earlier in the thread that I'm open to having it done to me. Sup CIA!

I'd do it but am not willing to drive that far. Even if you did have it done the experience wouldn't have the same effect (wouldn't be torture) because there would be no fear of being killed.

[IFBBwannaB]

I'd do it but am not willing to drive that far. Even if you did have it done the experience wouldn't have the same effect (wouldn't be torture) because there would be no fear of being killed.

Pain sucks even when you know it's going to end.
Waterboarding isn't beheading but it's far from a comfortable feeling.

[tu_holmes]

so you believe that citizens should be able to have fully automatic weapons, bazookas, rocket launchers?

I was using the legal isssue to show another slippery slope of being to lenient on these ppl...

Ok so you believe its wrong DONT FOR A SECOND SAY THAT IT CAUSES US TO LOSS THE MORAL HIGH GROUND again thats assinine and untrue if you believe that makes us equivilant to them then i dont even know what to say to you.

I think a citizen should be able to have a gun, any gun... Yes. I don't see rocket launchers and bazookas the same as guns, but now that you mention it.

Yes... I should be able to buy them if I want.

Yes, it's wrong... Your analogy has a bad premise. You're saying it's ok because it's not as bad as them. I'm saying it's not ok because it's wrong.

There's wrong and there's right... There's no more wrong than this, or more wrong than that.

Is it as bad as beheading or other things, no... Of course not. But it doesn't make you right just because you're the lesser of two evils.

That's like saying you need to choose between Hitler or Stalin. Who the hell wants to make that choice? Further more, who SHOULD?

No one.

[Fury]

I'd do it but am not willing to drive that far. Even if you did have it done the experience wouldn't have the same effect (wouldn't be torture) because there would be no fear of being killed.

I said I would be open to waterboarding, not sodomy.

[tu_holmes]

Unfortunately, unless you're a terrorist, deviate, degenerate or criminal lowlife, your waterboarding won't illicit any sympathy from the liberals. Those are the types whose rights they are obviously most interested in protecting.

What a ridiculous statement. It just so happens that no one is going around water-boarding soccer moms, or I'm pretty sure everyone would have a problem with that too.

[tonymctones]

I think a citizen should be able to have a gun, any gun... Yes. I don't see rocket launchers and bazookas the same as guns, but now that you mention it.

Yes... I should be able to buy them if I want.

Yes, it's wrong... Your analogy has a bad premise. You're saying it's ok because it's not as bad as them. I'm saying it's not ok because it's wrong.

There's wrong and there's right... There's no more wrong than this, or more wrong than that.

Is it as bad as beheading or other things, no... Of course not. But it doesn't make you right just because you're the lesser of two evils.

That's like saying you need to choose between Hitler or Stalin. Who the hell wants to make that choice? Further more, who SHOULD?

No one.

well see there is a point in time when things need to be taken into account for the greater good so to speak...gang members running around with fully automatic weapons isnt good for anybody, never the less rocket launchers etc...

I NEVER SAID IT WAS OK IN THIS CONTEXT...I personally believe its ok but in your context its fine that you dont. Im not defending water boarding here im defending our moral high ground in relation to the terrorists theres a distinction. Now again personally i think its justified if it is proven that it produces positive results if not again then its a moot point.

However even though you believe it to be wrong DOESNT CAUSE US TO LOSE OUR MORAL HIGH GROUND... again that arguement is just assinine. You admitted yourself that they do far worse to our soldiers their citizens etc...Im not justifying waterboarding here im saying that even with us waterboarding we are still miles above them in the morals department...and you cant argue that so to say that when we waterboard we lose the moral high ground is ignorant.

[The ChemistV2]

What a ridiculous statement. It just so happens that no one is going around water-boarding soccer moms, or I'm pretty sure everyone would have a problem with that too.

You missed the point..when was the last time you heard a liberal show empathy for the Victims of deviates and criminals. It's always the huge concern over the treatment and rights of the Predators or terrorists. If you ask them..what about the lives of the people in L.A. that were saved by waterboarding.. the liberal viewpoint is that the comfort of the terrorist suspect greatly outweighs the lives of the potential victims. Everything they do or say illustrates that fact.

[tu_holmes]

You missed the point..when was the last time you heard a liberal show empathy for the Victims of deviates and criminals. It's always the huge concern over the treatment and rights of the Predators or terrorists. If you ask them..what about the lives of the people in L.A. that were saved by waterboarding.. the liberal viewpoint is that the comfort of the terrorist suspect greatly outweighs the lives of the potential victims. Everything they do or say illustrates that fact.

I will just have to disagree on this.

[tu_holmes]

well see there is a point in time when things need to be taken into account for the greater good so to speak...gang members running around with fully automatic weapons isnt good for anybody, never the less rocket launchers etc...

I NEVER SAID IT WAS OK IN THIS CONTEXT...I personally believe its ok but in your context its fine that you dont. Im not defending water boarding here im defending our moral high ground in relation to the terrorists theres a distinction. Now again personally i think its justified if it is proven that it produces positive results if not again then its a moot point.

However even though you believe it to be wrong DOESNT CAUSE US TO LOSE OUR MORAL HIGH GROUND... again that arguement is just assinine. You admitted yourself that they do far worse to our soldiers their citizens etc...Im not justifying waterboarding here im saying that even with us waterboarding we are still miles above them in the morals department...and you cant argue that so to say that when we waterboard we lose the moral high ground is ignorant.

I guess our premise of right and wrong just don't match. Again, who had the higher moral ground? Stalin or Hitler?

[tonymctones]

I guess our premise of right and wrong just don't match. Again, who had the higher moral ground? Stalin or Hitler?

There are degress of right and wrong as you have already admitted...

waterboarding doesnt make us equivilant to those deusch bags in anyway shape of form again we are still miles above those malecious fucktards...by you saying we lose our moral high ground you are saying that we are equivilant to them...again this is just about the most assinine thing ive heard on here. I dont think stalin and hitler are a good comparison for our situation here i understand your point but again waterboarding doesnt equate to decapitation, suicide bombing innocent civilians with mental defectives, intentionally hiding within a civilian population...to say so is ignorant. I understand you think its wrong but by your logic a person who beats up a guy is as bad as a person who kills a guy.

[timfogarty]

what about the lives of the people in L.A. that were saved by waterboarding..

I think that was an episode of 24, not real life.

no terrorist plot has been foiled by information gleaned from waterboarding

[timfogarty]

waterboarding doesn't make us equivalent to those douche bags in anyway shape of form again we are still miles above those malicious fucktards...by you saying we lose our moral high ground you are saying that we are equivalent to them...again this is just about the most asinine thing I've heard on here.

ok, it just makes us hypocrites, as we tried and executed people at the end of WWII for waterboarding American prisoners of war

[tonymctones]

ok, it just makes us hypocrites, as we tried and executed people at the end of WWII for waterboarding American prisoners of war

hmmm was it simply for waterboarding or a host of other torture?

[IFBBwannaB]

ok, it just makes us hypocrites, as we tried and executed people at the end of WWII for waterboarding American prisoners of war

LOL, nice try but you're out.

I will sum it up and say this, every side judge by his own standarts to fit his own ambitions.
The terrorists behead people, we waterboard them, everyone have their own view point and legitimacy that they rely on.

Also, you cannot compare 2 completely different situations that are 70 years apart.

The bottom line is very simple, are you willing to have no leverage point what so ever on people who want to kill you? Yes or no will suffice.

[drkaje]

I said I would be open to waterboarding, not sodomy.

You gay homo!!! Waterboarding leads to watersports and eventually butt sex with you, LOL! You're a sick bastard!!!

Back to the topic... There are a few interesting interviews with Jesse Ventura talking about waterboarding.

[timfogarty]

hmmm was it simply for waterboarding or a host of other torture?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html