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« Reply #1350 on: October 04, 2013, 10:47:24 AM »

Wow... the brutality of that beating is shocking but the response from Chief Ernest Jubilee is even more shocking. He claims that he reviewed the video and "saw no reason to suspend or remove the officers from their regular duties."

That joke of a police chief ought to be kicked out of the office which he now holds, along with all those officers. They should lose their pensions and benefits and they should face criminal charges.

I'm curious what our resident officer will have to say about this video and the response from this incompetent piece of shit Chief.

Frankly, if their internal investigation clears them or gives them silly "slap on the wrist" penalties, they should be investigated by the FBI and prosecuted for violating the civil rights of this kid under the dual sovereign exception to double jeopardy for the actual beating.

Up until the dog, I was thinking I understand the cops are wanting to get his arms behind his back and he is not letting them. the concern is when hands are in front of a resisting subject on the ground it can access a gun in the wastband if one is there so it is a concern. The tactics the officers used to do this were not all that impressive but a police chief can't nickel and dime a force response if the force is not unreasonable given the totality of the circumstances. However when the dog is released on the guy all bets are off. It was clearly unnecessary and the potential for severe permenant damage and disfigurement is high and there were enough officers there to gain compliance without the dog. Definately worth a different response from the administration   
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« Reply #1351 on: October 04, 2013, 11:26:17 AM »

Up until the dog, I was thinking I understand the cops are wanting to get his arms behind his back and he is not letting them. the concern is when hands are in front of a resisting subject on the ground it can access a gun in the wastband if one is there so it is a concern. The tactics the officers used to do this were not all that impressive but a police chief can't nickel and dime a force response if the force is not unreasonable given the totality of the circumstances. However when the dog is released on the guy all bets are off. It was clearly unnecessary and the potential for severe permenant damage and disfigurement is high and there were enough officers there to gain compliance without the dog. Definately worth a different response from the administration  

I'm sorry but I disagree. The amount of force used even before the dog was brought in seems to me to clearly be excessive - you can see five guys kneeing him, kicking him and stomping on his head. You say they were trying to get his hands behind his back; perhaps they were, but this guy was clearly in "survival" mode, completely overwhelmed and curled up on the ground in the fetal position in under 15 seconds; at that point, he was likely acting on pure instinct and adrenaline, and sought to protect his head against a continuing brutal beating he could not escape instead of hearing and understanding spoken orders (if any were given).

So if you were in that situation, even if you could hear and understand what you're told to do, would you simply comply and let your hands go and hope that the multiple people brutally beating you stop instead of killing you? I'm betting the answer is "no" - and video like this is a good reason why you wouldn't and shouldn't.

What makes this even worse is that these thugs started this; this guy never laid a finger on them despite assertions to the contrary by them (remember, there is video of the whole encounter, including video of these cops laughing and snapping pics with their cellphones while the guy is getting mauled by the dog while laying on the ground severely injured and bleeding profusely).

He got beaten up because he talked back and cops feel that when they put on their pants every morning they are entitled to respect. But respect is earned, not worn, and talking back to or insulting a cop is a protected activity under the Constitution (see, inter alia, Swartz v. Insogna) and not cause for an arrest, a beating or anything else.

This is a case of cops who lost their cool, and became the thing they are supposed to protect us against. It happens - cops are human beings and make mistakes. That's not the problem. The problem is that they won't face the consequences for their action as someone without a badge would. They are still walking around, policing...

And it is that fact, coupled with the reaction by the higher-ups, including the comment for this idiot of a chief that is outrageous and shocking. I don't doubt others cops will have a similar reaction and stand on "their" side of the blue line. It's this "us. vs. them" mentality, the sort of behavior shown in this video, and the reactions by the chief, police unions and officers, that makes people feel that, individually, cops are nothing more than thugs with fancy badges that let them operate with impunity and that, collectively, they are nothing but another gang.

And this is a view that, unfortunately, is justified.
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« Reply #1352 on: October 05, 2013, 09:45:16 AM »

No one can tell me that these assholes don't understand what the person is experiencing, as he is getting the living shit beat out of him for "failing to comply". It is deliberate, and it is a crime.
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« Reply #1353 on: October 05, 2013, 09:48:51 AM »

...happens time and again, too. It's becoming as closely linked with the cops as blue and red lights.
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« Reply #1354 on: October 07, 2013, 02:17:45 PM »

http://reason.com/blog/2013/10/07/woman-says-she-called-911-for-an-ambulan


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« Reply #1355 on: October 07, 2013, 05:33:16 PM »

No one can tell me that these assholes don't understand what the person is experiencing, as he is getting the living shit beat out of him for "failing to comply". It is deliberate, and it is a crime.



Exactly, there's nothing natural about moving your hands behind your back when hit hard elsewhere.  Curling up and covering are natural, and that's what's kicking in when these people get beaten.

But, the Blue Wall (which Agnostic denies, lol) ENDURES!

And cops continue to make up nonsense to justify, cover for, and protect other cops from repercussions.

Notice that the beating...necessary to make sure the guy didn't have a gun from what we're told...was conducted AFTER the guy had already been searched.  Yep, it was really necessary.  Roll Eyes

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« Reply #1356 on: October 08, 2013, 05:18:55 AM »

http://nypost.com/2013/10/07/bike-cop-joined-in-on-suv-beatdown-video-reveals


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« Reply #1357 on: October 08, 2013, 09:22:25 AM »



Exactly, there's nothing natural about moving your hands behind your back when hit hard elsewhere.  Curling up and covering are natural, and that's what's kicking in when these people get beaten.

But, the Blue Wall (which Agnostic denies, lol) ENDURES!

And cops continue to make up nonsense to justify, cover for, and protect other cops from repercussions.

Notice that the beating...necessary to make sure the guy didn't have a gun from what we're told...was conducted AFTER the guy had already been searched.  Yep, it was really necessary.  Roll Eyes



Yes, bro. These guys know this, so they MUST be doing it on purpose. It really is that simple.
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« Reply #1358 on: October 08, 2013, 11:52:30 AM »

http://www.newburyportnews.com/local/x1442580373/Gestapo-tactics-meet-senior-citizens-at-Yellowstone


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« Reply #1359 on: October 08, 2013, 01:43:11 PM »

http://gunsnfreedom.com/police-officers-are-3-times-more-likely-to-commit-murder-than-ccw-permit-holders


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« Reply #1360 on: October 08, 2013, 05:48:36 PM »

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/nyregion/detective-seen-in-bikers-attack-on-suv-is-arrested.html?_r=0


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« Reply #1361 on: October 08, 2013, 06:28:38 PM »

http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2013/10/ready-lethal-autonomous-robot-drones/71492


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« Reply #1362 on: October 09, 2013, 05:58:41 PM »




So now we've got 2 cops from what I understand.

One didn't lift a finger to help the guy.

The other breaking the guys back window and maybe helping to beat him.

Roll Eyes  Fucking Insane.

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« Reply #1363 on: October 10, 2013, 08:12:36 AM »

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Video-Captures-Cops-Alleged-Excessive-Force-227153991.html?fullSite=y

Damn - that sucked.  You can see the blood start dripping. 

Typical worthless pig beating up on a woman
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« Reply #1364 on: October 11, 2013, 04:46:12 AM »

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Video-Captures-Cops-Alleged-Excessive-Force-227153991.html?fullSite=y

Damn - that sucked.  You can see the blood start dripping. 

Typical worthless pig beating up on a woman

Hope he gets fired, charges brought against him and he is convicted. What a dirtbag
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« Reply #1365 on: October 11, 2013, 05:21:37 AM »

Hope he gets fired, charges brought against him and he is convicted. What a dirtbag
You know as well as the rest of us that he will most likely get his job back no matter what he fucking did.  Nice... Roll Eyes 
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« Reply #1366 on: October 11, 2013, 07:13:14 AM »

You know as well as the rest of us that he will most likely get his job back no matter what he fucking did.  Nice... Roll Eyes 

No, can't say that I know that..
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« Reply #1367 on: October 11, 2013, 07:46:49 AM »

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Video-Captures-Cops-Alleged-Excessive-Force-227153991.html?fullSite=y

Damn - that sucked.  You can see the blood start dripping. 

Typical worthless pig beating up on a woman

I hope that aside from serious prison time he gets thrown in and out of his cell every day exactly the same way like he did to that woman.
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« Reply #1368 on: October 11, 2013, 08:01:42 AM »

No, can't say that I know that..
I wouldn't bet against it lol...  

I respect what you do.  I respect people like you.  I respect the good guys like you...  But I don't respect the asses in law enforcement who do shit like this and then get their jobs back after being let go and we see that kind of thing happening again and again, over and over....  This shit is broken and it is in need of some serious fixing imo...  There is no reason whatsoever that we need the level of law enforcement going on today.  There is absolutely no reason that there should be daily videos posted showing police misconduct but that's what we see.  It is and should be an outrage.  There should be a self check by law enforcement on this shit before it becomes a real reckoning by the people.  When you have people rooting for the other, it's a good indication that you've all gone a little overkill.

All we want is for violent criminals to be kept in check....  That's all the people want but you all have gone so beyond that to the point that we have so many people behind bars that have no business being there.  I mean really?  The most free country in the world actually now has the highest incarceration rate?

FUCKING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #1369 on: October 11, 2013, 08:11:17 AM »

And now crap like this?

Fucking Sheriff Rex Kwon Do.... Roll Eyes

Preston, Idaho is a town of roughly 5,000 people that earned brief notoriety a decade ago as the setting for the whimsical film “Napoleon Dynamite.” It is blessedly devoid of violent crime, and has no need for its six-officer police department.

Yet Chief Ken Geddes believes that Preston’s superficial placidity disguises the potential for apocalyptic violence. At least that’s what he’s saying to pre-empt potential criticism of his decision to acquire a combat-grade armored vehicle from the Department of Homeland Security.

The Preston Police Department is one of two in Idaho to receive a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle (MRAP) through the Pentagon’s Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO).

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http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2013/10/pedro-offers-you-his-protection-preston.html

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« Reply #1370 on: October 11, 2013, 10:07:51 AM »

And now crap like this?

Fucking Sheriff Rex Kwon Do.... Roll Eyes

Preston, Idaho is a town of roughly 5,000 people that earned brief notoriety a decade ago as the setting for the whimsical film “Napoleon Dynamite.” It is blessedly devoid of violent crime, and has no need for its six-officer police department.

Yet Chief Ken Geddes believes that Preston’s superficial placidity disguises the potential for apocalyptic violence. At least that’s what he’s saying to pre-empt potential criticism of his decision to acquire a combat-grade armored vehicle from the Department of Homeland Security.

The Preston Police Department is one of two in Idaho to receive a Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle (MRAP) through the Pentagon’s Law Enforcement Support Office (LESO).

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http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2013/10/pedro-offers-you-his-protection-preston.html

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« Reply #1371 on: October 11, 2013, 02:27:05 PM »

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Video-Captures-Cops-Alleged-Excessive-Force-227153991.html?fullSite=y

Damn - that sucked.  You can see the blood start dripping. 

Typical worthless pig beating up on a woman

That is just painful to watch and impossible to describe adequately. There really ought to be a mandatory sentence enhancement for this sort of behavior.
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« Reply #1372 on: October 14, 2013, 04:48:05 AM »

I wouldn't bet against it lol...  

I respect what you do.  I respect people like you.  I respect the good guys like you...  But I don't respect the asses in law enforcement who do shit like this and then get their jobs back after being let go and we see that kind of thing happening again and again, over and over....  This shit is broken and it is in need of some serious fixing imo...  There is no reason whatsoever that we need the level of law enforcement going on today.  There is absolutely no reason that there should be daily videos posted showing police misconduct but that's what we see.  It is and should be an outrage.  There should be a self check by law enforcement on this shit before it becomes a real reckoning by the people.  When you have people rooting for the other, it's a good indication that you've all gone a little overkill.

All we want is for violent criminals to be kept in check....  That's all the people want but you all have gone so beyond that to the point that we have so many people behind bars that have no business being there.  I mean really?  The most free country in the world actually now has the highest incarceration rate?

FUCKING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't respect the asses in Law Enforcement either. I think we share a common position there. I am disheartened and often times pissed off when I see videos of Law Enforcement abusing the people they are supposed to be protecting. There needs to be house cleaning throughout the nation and it is my hope that in the near future those videos get rarer to find. I find some solice in knowing that every day there are 10's of thousands of police contacts with citizens that go exactly as they should. That doesn't excuse even one case where a cop abuses a citizen and they should be held accountable.     
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« Reply #1373 on: October 14, 2013, 08:46:55 PM »

NSA collects millions of e-mail address books globally

By Barton Gellman and Ashkan Soltani, Monday, October 14, 6:53 PM

The National Security Agency is harvesting hundreds of millions of contact lists from personal e-mail and instant messaging accounts around the world, many of them belonging to Americans, according to senior intelligence officials and top-secret documents provided by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

The collection program, which has not been disclosed before, intercepts e-mail address books and “buddy lists” from instant messaging services as they move across global data links. Online services often transmit those contacts when a user logs on, composes a message, or synchronizes a computer or mobile device with information stored on remote servers.

Rather than targeting individual users, the NSA is gathering contact lists in large numbers that amount to a sizable fraction of the world’s e-mail and instant messaging accounts. Analysis of that data enables the agency to search for hidden connections and to map relationships within a much smaller universe of foreign intelligence targets.

During a single day last year, the NSA’s Special Source Operations branch collected 444,743 e-mail address books from Yahoo, 105,068 from Hotmail, 82,857 from Facebook, 33,697 from Gmail and 22,881 from unspecified other providers, according to an internal NSA PowerPoint presentation. Those figures, described as a typical daily intake in the document, correspond to a rate of more than 250 million a year.

Each day, the presentation said, the NSA collects contacts from an estimated 500,000 buddy lists on live-chat services as well as from the inbox displays of Web-based e-mail accounts.

The collection depends on secret arrangements with foreign telecommunications companies or allied intelligence services in control of facilities that direct traffic along the Internet’s main data routes.

Although the collection takes place overseas, two senior U.S. intelligence officials acknowledged that it sweeps in the contacts of many Americans. They declined to offer an estimate but did not dispute that the number is likely to be in the millions or tens of millions.

A spokesman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the NSA, said the agency “is focused on discovering and developing intelligence about valid foreign intelligence targets like terrorists, human traffickers and drug smugglers. We are not interested in personal information about ordinary Americans.”

The spokesman, Shawn Turner, added that rules approved by the attorney general require the NSA to “minimize the acquisition, use and dissemination” of information that identifies a U.S. citizen or permanent resident.

The NSA’s collection of nearly all U.S. call records, under a separate program, has generated significant controversy since it was revealed in June. The NSA’s director, Gen. Keith B. Alexander, has defended “bulk” collection as an essential counterterrorism and foreign intelligence tool, saying, “You need the haystack to find the needle.”

Contact lists stored online provide the NSA with far richer sources of data than call records alone. Address books commonly include not only names and e-mail addresses, but also telephone numbers, street addresses, and business and family information. Inbox listings of e-mail accounts stored in the “cloud” sometimes contain content, such as the first few lines of a message.

Taken together, the data would enable the NSA, if permitted, to draw detailed maps of a person’s life, as told by personal, professional, political and religious connections. The picture can also be misleading, creating false “associations” with ex-spouses or people with whom an account holder has had no contact in many years.

The NSA has not been authorized by Congress or the special intelligence court that oversees foreign surveillance to collect contact lists in bulk, and senior intelligence officials said it would be illegal to do so from facilities in the United States. The agency avoids the restrictions in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by intercepting contact lists from access points “all over the world,” one official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss the classified program. “None of those are on U.S. territory.”

Because of the method employed, the agency is not legally required or technically able to restrict its intake to contact lists belonging to specified foreign intelligence targets, he said.

When information passes through “the overseas collection apparatus,” the official added, “the assumption is you’re not a U.S. person.”

In practice, data from Americans is collected in large volumes — in part because they live and work overseas, but also because data crosses international boundaries even when its American owners stay at home. Large technology companies, including Google and Facebook, maintain data centers around the world to balance loads on their servers and work around outages.

A senior U.S. intelligence official said the privacy of Americans is protected, despite mass collection, because “we have checks and balances built into our tools.”

NSA analysts, he said, may not search within the contacts database or distribute information from it unless they can “make the case that something in there is a valid foreign intelligence target in and of itself.”

In this program, the NSA is obliged to make that case only to itself or others in the executive branch. With few exceptions, intelligence operations overseas fall solely within the president’s legal purview. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, enacted in 1978, imposes restrictions only on electronic surveillance that targets Americans or takes place on U.S. territory.

By contrast, the NSA draws on authority in the Patriot Act for its bulk collection of domestic phone records, and it gathers online records from U.S. Internet companies, in a program known as PRISM, under powers granted by Congress in the FISA Amendments Act. Those operations are overseen by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, the California Democrat who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, said in August that the committee has less information about, and conducts less oversight of, intelligence gathering that relies solely on presidential authority. She said she planned to ask for more briefings on those programs.

“In general, the committee is far less aware of operations conducted under 12333,” said a senior committee staff member, referring to Executive Order 12333, which defines the basic powers and responsibilities of the intelligence agencies. “I believe the NSA would answer questions if we asked them, and if we knew to ask them, but it would not routinely report these things, and, in general, they would not fall within the focus of the committee.”

Because the agency captures contact lists “on the fly” as they cross major Internet switches, rather than “at rest” on computer servers, the NSA has no need to notify the U.S. companies that host the information or to ask for help from them.

“We have neither knowledge of nor participation in this mass collection of web-mail addresses or chat lists by the government,” said Google spokeswoman Niki Fenwick.

At Microsoft, spokeswoman Nicole Miller said the company “does not provide any government with direct or unfettered access to our customers’ data,” adding that “we would have significant concerns if these allegations about government actions are true.”

Facebook spokeswoman Jodi Seth said that “we did not know and did not assist” in the NSA’s interception of contact lists.

It is unclear why the NSA collects more than twice as many address books from Yahoo than the other big services combined. One possibility is that Yahoo, unlike other service providers, has left connections to its users unencrypted by default.

Suzanne Philion, a Yahoo spokeswoman, said Monday in response to an inquiry from The Washington Post that, beginning in January, Yahoo would begin encrypting all its e-mail connections.

Google was the first to secure all its e-mail connections, turning on “SSL encryption” globally in 2010. People with inside knowledge said the move was intended in part to thwart large-scale collection of its users’ information by the NSA and other intelligence agencies.

The volume of NSA contacts collection is so high that it has occasionally threatened to overwhelm storage repositories, forcing the agency to halt its intake with “emergency detasking” orders. Three NSA documents describe short-term efforts to build an “across-the-board technology throttle for truly heinous data” and longer-term efforts to filter out information that the NSA does not need.

Spam has proven to be a significant problem for the NSA — clogging databases with information that holds no foreign intelligence value. The majority of all e-mails, one NSA document says, “are SPAM from ‘fake’ addresses and never ‘delivered’ to targets.”

In fall 2011, according to an NSA presentation, the Yahoo account of an Iranian target was “hacked by an unknown actor,” who used it to send spam. The Iranian had “a number of Yahoo groups in his/her contact list, some with many hundreds or thousands of members.”

The cascading effects of repeated spam messages, compounded by the automatic addition of the Iranian’s contacts to other people’s address books, led to a massive spike in the volume of traffic collected by the Australian intelligence service on the NSA’s behalf.

After nine days of data-
bombing, the Iranian’s contact book and contact books for several people within it were “emergency detasked.”

In a briefing from the NSA’s Large Access Exploitation working group, that example was used to illustrate the need to narrow the criteria for data interception. It called for a “shifting collection philosophy”: “Memorialize what you need” vs. “Order one of everything off the menu and eat what you want.”

 

Julie Tate contributed to this report. Soltani is an independent security researcher and consultant.
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« Reply #1374 on: October 14, 2013, 09:16:32 PM »

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/14/nsa-contact-lists_n_4099147.html
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