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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3850 on: May 26, 2018, 04:19:29 PM »
The reason is, it's similar to people using tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes. While it is unethical in my opinion, a person who "rents" a bedroom from a friend in Texas where there is no state tax but lives in Arkansas where there is, and walks the tightrope to meet the bare minimum of considering yourself a resident of Texas..it's wrong, but it isn't violating any rules.

Yup, I see the same issues for students applying to be granted TX residency for in-state tuition.

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« Reply #3851 on: May 26, 2018, 04:25:53 PM »
Yup, I see the same issues for students applying to be granted TX residency for in-state tuition.



if there is a way to work a system, there will always be people willing to do it.

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« Reply #3852 on: May 26, 2018, 06:06:09 PM »
The reason is, it's similar to people using tax loopholes to avoid paying taxes. While it is unethical in my opinion, a person who "rents" a bedroom from a friend in Texas where there is no state tax but lives in Arkansas where there is, and walks the tightrope to meet the bare minimum of considering yourself a resident of Texas..it's wrong, but it isn't violating any rules.

Okay It isn’t violating any rules.
As you stated though it’s a good indicator as to what that person may do,
And as the very many many reports on this thread indicate just
How many of them walk a tightrope on moral & ethical responsibilities
And fall off.

More attention should be paid to these indicators & not just accepted or turn a blind eye.
A zero tolerance approach might just raise the general standard of policing & prevent
Much of what we read in this thread.

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« Reply #3853 on: May 26, 2018, 07:05:21 PM »
Okay It isn’t violating any rules.
As you stated though it’s a good indicator as to what that person may do,
And as the very many many reports on this thread indicate just
How many of them walk a tightrope on moral & ethical responsibilities
And fall off.

More attention should be paid to these indicators & not just accepted or turn a blind eye.
A zero tolerance approach might just raise the general standard of policing & prevent
Much of what we read in this thread.


I can't argue that, I can only say that in most policing or first responder jobs there are civil service guidelines that have to be followed. Also if you have a contract it has to be followed. What I think is wrong or unethical isn't the measurement the management has to use when it comes to issues that are addressed in either of those. What happens in our case is we make a note of the vague or questionable section and when we go back to the bargaining table, we try and close it.

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« Reply #3854 on: May 26, 2018, 07:17:45 PM »
5 months

Maybe that's what police state supporters think justice should be, but only for cops, not for others.

Former Woodburn cop gets 5 months in jail for sexually abusing child



A Woodburn police officer who quit his job after admitting to sexually abusing a child was sentenced Wednesday to five months in jail.

Washington County Circuit Judge D. Charles Bailey ordered Daniel Kerbs, 29, to also serve five years of probation, to have no contact with the female victim, and to register as a sex offender, as well as other restrictions. He pleaded guilty in March to first-degree online sexual corruption of a child and second-degree sexual abuse.

According to Tigard police, an 18-year-old contacted the agency last summer reporting she'd been abused by Kerbs in Tigard years earlier. Kerbs was a family friend, police said.

An indictment in the case said the abuse occurred between September 2013 and November 2014, and it included Kerbs soliciting the girl online for sex and taking steps to meet her.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2018/05/former_woodburn_cop_gets_5_mon.html

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« Reply #3855 on: May 26, 2018, 08:40:43 PM »
I looked up more info thinking that often times plea deals are made at the request of the victim or family in order to avoid a trial and have the victim testify and be re victimized. I couldn't find that to be the case here and it looks like a lame ass judge did the sentencing. 5 months.. who gives a crap about probation and registering.. 5 months for doing that is ridiculous.

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« Reply #3856 on: May 27, 2018, 01:22:19 AM »
I looked up more info thinking that often times plea deals are made at the request of the victim or family in order to avoid a trial and have the victim testify and be re victimized. I couldn't find that to be the case here and it looks like a lame ass judge did the sentencing. 5 months.. who gives a crap about probation and registering.. 5 months for doing that is ridiculous.


Is good to hear you agree
His sentence is laughably ridiculous for such a crime

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« Reply #3857 on: May 29, 2018, 01:20:29 PM »
The standard charge when they overcharge someone but can't get something to stick is "lying to the FBI". When the FBI lies, nothing happens.

FBI Admits It Inflated Number of Supposedly Unhackable Devices

We’ve learned that the FBI has been misinforming Congress and the public as part of its call for backdoor access to encrypted devices. For months, the Bureau has claimed that encryption prevented it from legally searching the contents of nearly 7,800 devices in 2017, but today the Washington Post reports that the actual number is far lower due to "programming errors" by the FBI.

Frankly, we’re not surprised. FBI Director Christopher Wray and others argue that law enforcement needs some sort of backdoor “exceptional access” in order to deal with the increased adoption of encryption, particularly on mobile devices. And the 7,775 supposedly unhackable phones encountered by the FBI in 2017 have been central to Wray’s claim that their investigations are “Going Dark.” But the scope of this problem is called into doubt by services offered by third-party vendors like Cellebrite and Grayshift, which can reportedly bypass encryption on even the newest phones. The Bureau’s credibility on this issue was also undercut by a recent DOJ Office of the Inspector General report, which found that internal failures of communication caused the government to make false statements about its need for Apple to assist in unlocking a seized iPhone as part of the San Bernardino case.

Given the availability of these third-party solutions, we’ve questioned how and why the FBI finds itself thwarted by so many locked phones. That’s why last week, EFF submitted a FOIA request for records related to Wray’s talking points about the 7,800 unhackable phones and the FBI’s use of outside vendors to bypass encryption.

The stakes here are high. Imposing an exceptional access mandate on encryption providers would be extraordinarily dangerous from a security perspective, but the government has never provided details about the scope of the supposed Going Dark problem. The latest revision to Director Wray’s favorite talking point demonstrates that the case for legislation is even weaker than we thought. We hope that the government is suitably forthcoming to our FOIA request so that we can get to the bottom of this issue.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/05/fbi-admits-it-inflated-number-supposedly-unhackable-devices


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« Reply #3858 on: May 30, 2018, 12:24:07 AM »
This is not in keeping with previous posts, but I did not want to start a new thread.

LA County deputy kills a cyclist while typing.

Deputy Andrew Wood, then a 16-year department veteran, was returning from a fire call at Calabasas High School at the time of the collision. Los Angeles County prosecutors, who declined to press criminal charges in the case, said Wood entered the bicycle lane “as a result of inattention caused by typing” on his in-car computer.

“Since Wood was acting within the course and scope of his duties when he began to type his response, under Vehicle Code section 23123.5, he acted lawfully,” according to the declination letter from the L.A. County District Attorney’s office.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/29/family-of-cyclist-killed-by-distracted-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gets-12-million-settlement/

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« Reply #3859 on: May 30, 2018, 05:14:05 AM »
This is not in keeping with previous posts, but I did not want to start a new thread.

LA County deputy kills a cyclist while typing.

Deputy Andrew Wood, then a 16-year department veteran, was returning from a fire call at Calabasas High School at the time of the collision. Los Angeles County prosecutors, who declined to press criminal charges in the case, said Wood entered the bicycle lane “as a result of inattention caused by typing” on his in-car computer.

“Since Wood was acting within the course and scope of his duties when he began to type his response, under Vehicle Code section 23123.5, he acted lawfully,” according to the declination letter from the L.A. County District Attorney’s office.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/29/family-of-cyclist-killed-by-distracted-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gets-12-million-settlement/


 ::) FFS More one rule for them one rule for others

He a cyclists & it’s ok - Not if it was one of my family that’s for sure.

More Police Bollocks.

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« Reply #3860 on: May 30, 2018, 05:36:32 AM »
This is not in keeping with previous posts, but I did not want to start a new thread.

LA County deputy kills a cyclist while typing.

Deputy Andrew Wood, then a 16-year department veteran, was returning from a fire call at Calabasas High School at the time of the collision. Los Angeles County prosecutors, who declined to press criminal charges in the case, said Wood entered the bicycle lane “as a result of inattention caused by typing” on his in-car computer.

“Since Wood was acting within the course and scope of his duties when he began to type his response, under Vehicle Code section 23123.5, he acted lawfully,” according to the declination letter from the L.A. County District Attorney’s office.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/29/family-of-cyclist-killed-by-distracted-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gets-12-million-settlement/

Horrible. 

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« Reply #3861 on: May 31, 2018, 09:35:26 AM »
4th arrest in 2 months. More than an "isolated incident", this shows a pattern of criminal activity. It's time for the feds to treat this gang as they are: a criminal organization.

Cop Arrested for Recording Himself and Fellow Cop Horrifically Beating Innocent Man in Wheelchair

Paterson, NJ — The Patterson Police Department in New Jersey is making headlines this week after their fourth officer in only two months has been arrested by federal agents. Officer Roger Then, 29, was arrested on Wednesday for participating in the beating of a mentally ill man in a wheelchair — and making a video to remember it.

The person in the wheelchair was a patient at a hospital. He had committed no crime and had called authorities for help because he felt suicidal. However, once he got to the hospital, help was the last thing he received. Instead, he received a horrific beating at the hands of the two responding officers.

Officer Then and his partner, known only as Police Officer 1 in the complaint, proceeded to beat their wheelchair-bound victim so horrifically that he required surgery to save his eyeball.

The incident was captured on hospital surveillance footage as well as Then’s own cellphone. According to prosecutors, Then is accused of making a video of the beating with his phone and hiding it from the report and the department.

According to the complaint:

On March 5, 2018, Then and another Paterson police officer – identified in the complaint as “Police Officer 1” – responded to a call from an attempted suicide victim. Then and Police Officer 1 met the victim at St. Joseph’s Medical Center in Paterson.

In the hospital surveillance footage, the victim, while in a wheelchair, appears to throw an object down the hall. Afterwards, Police Officer 1 pushes the wheelchair and punches the victim in the face. As the victim falls, Then grabs him by the back of the neck and pushes him to the ground.

In the second video, which was allegedly taken by Then using his cellphone, the victim is on his back in a hospital bed. After the victim verbally insults Police Officer 1, Police Officer 1 puts on a pair of hospital gloves and violently strikes the victim twice across the face. Police Officer 1 then stands over the victim and says, “I ain’t fucking playing with you.”

Then and Police Officer 1 filed a police report in connection with the events of March 5, 2018. The police report did not mention that Police Officer 1 punched the victim or that Then grabbed the victim by the neck and pushed him towards the ground, as captured in the first video. The police report also did not mention that Police Officer 1 violently struck the victim in a hospital room, as depicted in the second video.


As a result of these assaults, the victim suffered multiple injuries to his face, including the eye injury that required surgery.

After Then’s arrest, the department issued a statement noting that most of their cops are good and that this officer’s behavior was an isolated incident. However, the four arrests in two months indicate otherwise.

https://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-arrested-for-recording-himself-and-fellow-cop-horrifically-beating-innocent-man-in-wheelchair/


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« Reply #3862 on: June 01, 2018, 07:25:48 AM »
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Jury Awards $4 to Family of Man Fatally Shot by Sheriff's Deputy in His Own Garage
Yahoo ^ | Thu, May 31 5:24 AM PDT . | Chantal Da Silva, Newsweek
Posted on 6/1/2018, 9:50:33 AM by BenLurkin

Newman and his partner, Deputy Edward Lopez, had reportedly knocked on Hill's garage door to investigate the noise complaint. When the garage door eventually opened, Hill was standing by it with his left hand on the door and his right hand by his side.

It is still unclear what exactly happened in the seconds that unfolded, as Newman drew his gun and fired four times toward Hill as the garage door started to go down.

However, when a SWAT team arrived, they found Hill dead. He had been shot three times, including once in the head.

Toxicology reports had shown Hill had been intoxicated at the time of the incident and the SWAT team found a gun in the 30-year-old's back pocket, but it was not loaded, TCPalm reported.

On the second anniversary of Hill's death, the 30-year-old's mother, Viola Bryant, launched a lawsuit for wrongful death.

Her battle for justice ended last Thursday, when the jury came to the conclusion that Newman had not used excessive force in the incident following 10 hours of deliberation.

The jury did find that St. Lucie County Sheriff Ken Mascara had been negligent in his role, but determined him to be liable by just 1 percent...

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« Reply #3863 on: June 01, 2018, 07:37:20 AM »
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Jury Awards $4 to Family of Man Fatally Shot by Sheriff's Deputy in His Own Garage
Yahoo ^ | Thu, May 31 5:24 AM PDT . | Chantal Da Silva, Newsweek
Posted on 6/1/2018, 9:50:33 AM by BenLurkin

Newman and his partner, Deputy Edward Lopez, had reportedly knocked on Hill's garage door to investigate the noise complaint. When the garage door eventually opened, Hill was standing by it with his left hand on the door and his right hand by his side.

It is still unclear what exactly happened in the seconds that unfolded, as Newman drew his gun and fired four times toward Hill as the garage door started to go down.

However, when a SWAT team arrived, they found Hill dead. He had been shot three times, including once in the head.

Toxicology reports had shown Hill had been intoxicated at the time of the incident and the SWAT team found a gun in the 30-year-old's back pocket, but it was not loaded, TCPalm reported.

On the second anniversary of Hill's death, the 30-year-old's mother, Viola Bryant, launched a lawsuit for wrongful death.

Her battle for justice ended last Thursday, when the jury came to the conclusion that Newman had not used excessive force in the incident following 10 hours of deliberation.

The jury did find that St. Lucie County Sheriff Ken Mascara had been negligent in his role, but determined him to be liable by just 1 percent...

(Excerpt) Read more at yahoo.com ...


Outrageous.

So "he was intoxicated" but he was in his own house and garage, "he had a gun"  but it was discovered later in his back pocket and it was not loaded, when he was shot the garage door was closing and it seems some bullets even went through the garage door. And all this is somehow completely justified and the dead man is 99% responsible for his death so his family gets $1 for the funeral and $1 for each of his daughters? Talk about adding insult to injury.

Edit: from reading a Fox article it appears the family estate will not actually receive $4 but 4 cents... Insane...

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« Reply #3864 on: June 01, 2018, 10:49:43 AM »
Must be one of the very few good apples.

Iowa sheriff pleads guilty to traffic violation after telling deputy to give him ticket for illegally riding ATV

An Iowa sheriff who asked one of his deputies to write him a ticket for illegally riding his ATV on a highway pleaded guilty to the traffic violation Thursday.

Webster County Sheriff Jim Stubbs was riding his ATV to look at some family property a few weeks ago when he turned onto U.S. Highway 169 for a short period of time and he realized he was breaking the law by being on that road, according to The Messenger.

“I did it and I hold myself responsible,” Stubbs said.

Stubbs found a deputy who was on the side of U.S. 169 and asked the deputy to write him a ticket for breaking the law. He said if he had not gotten a ticket it would have made him a hypocrite.

“If I’m going to have people out giving citations, then I need to hold myself to that higher standard as well,” he said. “And nobody’s above the law."

Webster County had passed an ordinance on May 8 that allows ATV travel on county roads, but U.S. Highway 169 isn’t under Webster County jurisdiction, according to The Messenger.

Stubbs pleaded guilty to one count of operating an ATV on a roadway or highway. Webster County Court Magistrate William Thatcher commended him for his honesty and ordered Stubbs to pay a $132.50.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/01/iowa-sheriff-pleads-guilty-to-traffic-violation-after-telling-deputy-to-give-him-ticket-for-illegally-riding-atv.html


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« Reply #3865 on: June 01, 2018, 01:26:37 PM »
Must be one of the very few good apples.

Iowa sheriff pleads guilty to traffic violation after telling deputy to give him ticket for illegally riding ATV

An Iowa sheriff who asked one of his deputies to write him a ticket for illegally riding his ATV on a highway pleaded guilty to the traffic violation Thursday.

Webster County Sheriff Jim Stubbs was riding his ATV to look at some family property a few weeks ago when he turned onto U.S. Highway 169 for a short period of time and he realized he was breaking the law by being on that road, according to The Messenger.

“I did it and I hold myself responsible,” Stubbs said.

Stubbs found a deputy who was on the side of U.S. 169 and asked the deputy to write him a ticket for breaking the law. He said if he had not gotten a ticket it would have made him a hypocrite.

“If I’m going to have people out giving citations, then I need to hold myself to that higher standard as well,” he said. “And nobody’s above the law."

Webster County had passed an ordinance on May 8 that allows ATV travel on county roads, but U.S. Highway 169 isn’t under Webster County jurisdiction, according to The Messenger.

Stubbs pleaded guilty to one count of operating an ATV on a roadway or highway. Webster County Court Magistrate William Thatcher commended him for his honesty and ordered Stubbs to pay a $132.50.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/01/iowa-sheriff-pleads-guilty-to-traffic-violation-after-telling-deputy-to-give-him-ticket-for-illegally-riding-atv.html



That’s a fine upstanding cop
It’s good to hear there are a few still about.

He’s exactly right about holding himself to that higher standard & that he is not above the law.
That’s polar opposite to many many other cops & there cohorts.

I wonder if he will get promotion.

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« Reply #3866 on: June 01, 2018, 01:56:12 PM »
When will this crime syndicate be disbanded, its leaders and henchmen sent to prison and all their crime proceeds be returned to their rightful owners?

A 64-year-old put his life savings in his carry-on. U.S. Customs took it without charging him with a crime.

A 64-year-old Cleveland man is suing U.S. Customs and Border Protection after agents strip-searched him at an airport in October and took more than $58,000 in cash from him without charging him with any crime, according to a federal lawsuit filed this week in Ohio.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/05/31/a-64-year-old-put-his-life-savings-in-his-carry-on-u-s-customs-took-it-without-charging-him-with-a-crime/

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« Reply #3867 on: June 01, 2018, 05:01:45 PM »
This is not in keeping with previous posts, but I did not want to start a new thread.

LA County deputy kills a cyclist while typing.

Deputy Andrew Wood, then a 16-year department veteran, was returning from a fire call at Calabasas High School at the time of the collision. Los Angeles County prosecutors, who declined to press criminal charges in the case, said Wood entered the bicycle lane “as a result of inattention caused by typing” on his in-car computer.

“Since Wood was acting within the course and scope of his duties when he began to type his response, under Vehicle Code section 23123.5, he acted lawfully,” according to the declination letter from the L.A. County District Attorney’s office.

https://www.dailynews.com/2018/05/29/family-of-cyclist-killed-by-distracted-la-county-sheriffs-deputy-gets-12-million-settlement/

Officers typing while driving or reading calls while driving has been a huge safety issue. Some are just stupidity. Typing while driving as you are leaving a call is plain irresponsible. But another scenario is an officer responding to a disturbance with a gun, and getting updates as they are approaching the scene. It is very difficult not to glance over to see what the latest entry is when you hear the beep of a new entry.

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« Reply #3868 on: June 01, 2018, 05:12:43 PM »
Officers typing while driving or reading calls while driving has been a huge safety issue. Some are just stupidity. Typing while driving as you are leaving a call is plain irresponsible. But another scenario is an officer responding to a disturbance with a gun, and getting updates as they are approaching the scene. It is very difficult not to glance over to see what the latest entry is when you hear the beep of a new entry.


Hmmmm yes - I think it’s the same kinda excuse used by many
When their phone Beeps or Buzzes with a New Important Txt message or BookFace update
That’s oh so Important.
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« Reply #3869 on: June 01, 2018, 06:58:03 PM »

Hmmmm yes - I think it’s the same kinda excuse used by many
When their phone Beeps or Buzzes with a New Important Txt message or BookFace update
That’s oh so Important.
 ;)

Well, lets look at it. A phone beeps... could be your girlfriend, a best buddy, maybe they want to meet up at the bar for a drink after work. Let's compare that to a guy driving to a disturbance with a gun, and there is an update that more than likely has information on where the guy with the gun might be. I can see where they are the same. Now I'm not saying either are excused from the damage they cause if they cause a crash, but like Chris Rock says, I don't condone it, but I understand it.... 

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« Reply #3870 on: June 01, 2018, 08:37:37 PM »
Well, lets look at it. A phone beeps... could be your girlfriend, a best buddy, maybe they want to meet up at the bar for a drink after work. Let's compare that to a guy driving to a disturbance with a gun, and there is an update that more than likely has information on where the guy with the gun might be. I can see where they are the same. Now I'm not saying either are excused from the damage they cause if they cause a crash, but like Chris Rock says, I don't condone it, but I understand it....  

My comments were semi tongue in cheek,
Yes there are similarities.
The cop has a radio & that important info should be sent via that to keep him updated
If it isn’t then that’s damn dangerous for him & other road users .

Sounds like your trying to excuse them of the damage.

Seriously reading & or typing on a screen while driving & killing an innocent
Cyclist - then being let off.
You’d maybe think differently if it was a close family member of yours that had been
Killed.

Oh & if a member of the public did as I stated and used that as a defence
he’d be let off then by using that Woefully lame excuse. Of Course They’re Not.

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« Reply #3871 on: June 01, 2018, 08:45:05 PM »
Here is an older case that was posted on this topic. A Navy veteran is dead because this criminal was speeding and not paying attention to the road. If you're a citizen you get fines and prison and everyone gets a lecture on how bad they are and how dangerous this behavior is and possibly new harsher legislation is introduced. If you're a cop, you simply ignore all of the above and get away with killing an innocent person. This particular case is pretty outrageous, worth a read to remember it:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329944.msg8118862#msg8118862


Cop Kills Man with Patrol Car While Speeding & Looking at Laptop, Flexes Blue Privilege – No Charges

Port Orange, FL — On December 21, Port Orange Police Officer Silvio Portillo was driving his patrol car at 15 mph above the posted speed limit when he struck and killed a motorcyclist.

Father of two and Navy Veteran, Andrew McIlvain, 39, was riding his motorcycle as Officer Portillo was looking down at his laptop on the way to a “non-priority” noise complaint. When Portillo looked up, it was too late, he was driving over this unsuspecting man.

Two weeks later, McIlvain succumbed to his severe injuries, and he died on January 4. The police even had the audacity to attempt to justify this officer’s reckless driving by releasing a statement that McIlvain didn’t have his driver’s license at the time of the crash — as if that is worthy of a death sentence.

All of this information was obtained by the Port Orange police during the process of their internal investigation. It is a matter of police record that Silvio Portillo was driving his patrol car, was speeding, was distracted, and killed an innocent man. He was then suspended for ten days and ordered to attend an emergency vehicle operation course.

However, according to the Florida Highway Patrol, they could not legally prove those facts during Portillo’s hearing last week.

The debacle began as Portillo conveniently did not show up to his own hearing for the careless driving charge. This was likely an attempt to avoid a perjury charge if he was asked about driving the car that killed a man.

According to the Daytona Beach News-Journal:

    Portillo did not appear for the hearing before County Judge Angela Dempsey at the Courthouse Annex in Daytona Beach. Portillo’s attorney Martin White argued successfully that the police officer had not been identified as the driver of the squad car that struck McIlvain.

The FHP was responsible for an independent investigation of Portillo. Former FHP Trooper Robert Asbill interview him after the accident, however, he was conveniently absent that day as well. Even so, the FHP’s own report, prepared by Trooper Kurt Glaenzer listed Portillo as the driver of the patrol car!

“Because the defendant is not required to file an affidavit there is no evidence on the record to identify my client as the operator of that vehicle,” White said in a glaring misrepresentation of the truth.

“Your Honor, we move for a judgment of acquittal at this junction,” White said. “There’s been no identification that my client was driving behind the wheel. The state did not establish venue.”

“Judgment of acquittal is granted,” Dempsey said.

This entire dog and pony show wasn’t about whether or not to charge Portillo with manslaughter; it was only about a $166 careless driving ticket. Had Portillo received that ticket for careless driving, however, he could have been subject Florida state law 782.071 for vehicular homicide.

Instead, Portillo will escape all accountability.

Because of his negligence, Silvio Portillo killed an innocent man. And, because of the corruption and unwillingness of the supposed “justice” system to prosecute their own, no one will be held responsible for this loss of life.

Talking to the Journal, White said that while the argument that it could not be proven that Portillo was driving the patrol car might seem “counterintuitive” it was based on the law. He declined further comment.

“It bothers me to see a mother that’s heartbroken, and I have to explain the law to her,” Glaenzer said as McIlvain’s elderly mother sat silently stunned in the back of the courtroom; wondering how a cop can kill her son and face no repercussions.

Those who are tasked with upholding the law should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, or at the very least, the same standard. However, as is the case the majority of the time, the blue line conceals a much lower set of standards.

All hope is not lost for McIlvain’s mother though, her attorney Michael Politis, said they have already begun the process for a civil lawsuit in this case. However, the unfortunate reality of the civil lawsuit is that the taxpayers will be held liable and not the man who killed her son.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-kills-man-patrol-car-speeding-laptop-flexes-blue-privilege-charges/

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3872 on: June 01, 2018, 08:54:41 PM »
Here is an older case that was posted on this topic. A Navy veteran is dead because this criminal was speeding and not paying attention to the road. If you're a citizen you get fines and prison and everyone gets a lecture on how bad they are and how dangerous this behavior is and possibly new harsher legislation is introduced. If you're a cop, you simply ignore all of the above and get away with killing an innocent person. This particular case is pretty outrageous, worth a read to remember it:

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=329944.msg8118862#msg8118862


Cop Kills Man with Patrol Car While Speeding & Looking at Laptop, Flexes Blue Privilege – No Charges

Port Orange, FL — On December 21, Port Orange Police Officer Silvio Portillo was driving his patrol car at 15 mph above the posted speed limit when he struck and killed a motorcyclist.

Father of two and Navy Veteran, Andrew McIlvain, 39, was riding his motorcycle as Officer Portillo was looking down at his laptop on the way to a “non-priority” noise complaint. When Portillo looked up, it was too late, he was driving over this unsuspecting man.

Two weeks later, McIlvain succumbed to his severe injuries, and he died on January 4. The police even had the audacity to attempt to justify this officer’s reckless driving by releasing a statement that McIlvain didn’t have his driver’s license at the time of the crash — as if that is worthy of a death sentence.

All of this information was obtained by the Port Orange police during the process of their internal investigation. It is a matter of police record that Silvio Portillo was driving his patrol car, was speeding, was distracted, and killed an innocent man. He was then suspended for ten days and ordered to attend an emergency vehicle operation course.

However, according to the Florida Highway Patrol, they could not legally prove those facts during Portillo’s hearing last week.

The debacle began as Portillo conveniently did not show up to his own hearing for the careless driving charge. This was likely an attempt to avoid a perjury charge if he was asked about driving the car that killed a man.

According to the Daytona Beach News-Journal:

    Portillo did not appear for the hearing before County Judge Angela Dempsey at the Courthouse Annex in Daytona Beach. Portillo’s attorney Martin White argued successfully that the police officer had not been identified as the driver of the squad car that struck McIlvain.

The FHP was responsible for an independent investigation of Portillo. Former FHP Trooper Robert Asbill interview him after the accident, however, he was conveniently absent that day as well. Even so, the FHP’s own report, prepared by Trooper Kurt Glaenzer listed Portillo as the driver of the patrol car!

“Because the defendant is not required to file an affidavit there is no evidence on the record to identify my client as the operator of that vehicle,” White said in a glaring misrepresentation of the truth.

“Your Honor, we move for a judgment of acquittal at this junction,” White said. “There’s been no identification that my client was driving behind the wheel. The state did not establish venue.”

“Judgment of acquittal is granted,” Dempsey said.

This entire dog and pony show wasn’t about whether or not to charge Portillo with manslaughter; it was only about a $166 careless driving ticket. Had Portillo received that ticket for careless driving, however, he could have been subject Florida state law 782.071 for vehicular homicide.

Instead, Portillo will escape all accountability.

Because of his negligence, Silvio Portillo killed an innocent man. And, because of the corruption and unwillingness of the supposed “justice” system to prosecute their own, no one will be held responsible for this loss of life.

Talking to the Journal, White said that while the argument that it could not be proven that Portillo was driving the patrol car might seem “counterintuitive” it was based on the law. He declined further comment.

“It bothers me to see a mother that’s heartbroken, and I have to explain the law to her,” Glaenzer said as McIlvain’s elderly mother sat silently stunned in the back of the courtroom; wondering how a cop can kill her son and face no repercussions.

Those who are tasked with upholding the law should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us, or at the very least, the same standard. However, as is the case the majority of the time, the blue line conceals a much lower set of standards.

All hope is not lost for McIlvain’s mother though, her attorney Michael Politis, said they have already begun the process for a civil lawsuit in this case. However, the unfortunate reality of the civil lawsuit is that the taxpayers will be held liable and not the man who killed her son.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/cop-kills-man-patrol-car-speeding-laptop-flexes-blue-privilege-charges/


Another Beyond fooking ridiculous
Agnostic are you going to understand / make excuses for this one also.

In case you only want to answer to one of my posts.
My comments were semi tongue in cheek,
Yes there are similarities.
The cop has a radio & that important info should be sent via that to keep him updated
If it isn’t then that’s damn dangerous for him & other road users .

Sounds like your trying to excuse them of the damage.

Seriously reading & or typing on a screen while driving & killing an innocent
Cyclist - then being let off.
You’d maybe think differently if it was a close family member of yours that had been
Killed.

Oh & if a member of the public did as I stated and used that as a defence
he’d be let off then by using that Woefully lame excuse. Of Course They’re Not.

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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3873 on: June 01, 2018, 10:16:34 PM »
My comments were semi tongue in cheek,
Yes there are similarities.
The cop has a radio & that important info should be sent via that to keep him updated
If it isn’t then that’s damn dangerous for him & other road users .

Sounds like your trying to excuse them of the damage.

Seriously reading & or typing on a screen while driving & killing an innocent
Cyclist - then being let off.
You’d maybe think differently if it was a close family member of yours that had been
Killed.

Oh & if a member of the public did as I stated and used that as a defence
he’d be let of


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Re: Police State - Official Thread
« Reply #3874 on: June 01, 2018, 10:17:26 PM »
My comments were semi tongue in cheek,
Yes there are similarities.
The cop has a radio & that important info should be sent via that to keep him updated
If it isn’t then that’s damn dangerous for him & other road users .

Sounds like your trying to excuse them of the damage.

Seriously reading & or typing on a screen while driving & killing an innocent
Cyclist - then being let off.
You’d maybe think differently if it was a close family member of yours that had been
Killed.

Oh & if a member of the public did as I stated and used that as a defence
he’d be let of



vaild points. I think both are liable for any damage they cause. no letting off.