i hope you jhoking,,he lost tons of size,,stil remain relativly lean in the 8-10% but lost lots of size,,this is still high single digit body fat but just smaller more bloofed version,,kind of like you when you wnet off from orals and went from 185 or something to back 160 or 165 or 170 or how ever it was,, its just with bodybuild there is no other way to grow beside HORMONES,,no other way ,,you can gain 10 lb at the beggining of water and muscle and fat all mixed but after those first natural 10lb you are done ,,yes yes yes the fellas who gain 40lb naturaly from skinntwinks had to gain it because they were staved skinny twinks ,,they would gain it witrh out working out even with just eating and some years,,,the actual muscle you put on naturaly from day you start working out is around 10lb after that you are done and hoopla to hormones,,
10-15lb max of lean muscle on the best of the best from an average weight starter,,and guess where that lead us pupils.... all together now,,
7lb a year max gain of lean muscle naturaly ,,,,,7 + 7 = 14..... and there you have it ,,,2 year of training naturaly before you jump on hormones with a short stop inbrtween for the useless aminos and pro hormones that do nothing beside wasting your wallet,, then for your alllll bodybuild life span HORMONES AND HORMONES NONE STOP AND HORMONE TO THE MAX,,,exatly like croach is doing from this board: )
gh15 approved
pupils?!!...lol... more like dumb and dumber.
This proves what ive been saying all along.
You only know drug users, and because of that you get educated via induction and you end up believing enough stories to fuel a season of mythbusters.
You clearly dont know anyone who has spent years drug free, and dont know anyone who trains that doesnt want to compete.
If you did, you'd know that natural guys can put on 30-50lb+ over consistent training. Going from 155lb to 200lb within a few years is pretty common. Some guys more, some less.
going from 65kg - 90kg is about the average ive seen when a life time natural does it for about 5-10years..thats 55lb. ive seen this more than a few times.
i havent seen anyone huge, but definitely respectable and to the average joe public they certainly comment.
again you need to get out some more and stop preaching your ignorant world beliefs like they are universal laws.