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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #200 on: September 14, 2011, 09:26:23 PM »
Bad pic but loved this machine.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #201 on: September 14, 2011, 09:28:33 PM »
LOL

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if you tried doing barbell rows standing straight up you wouldnt be able to

when you lean farther forward the bar moves farther out in front of you, bringing the line of motion up through your upper back. as you stand more upright the bar comes closer to the body, bringin the line of motion through your lower lats.


OK, now I see the difference here. It matters greater how your elbows are positioned. If you are bent over at 90 degrees and are pulling the dumbbell with your elbows out so that it is perpendicular to your torso you will be working your rear delt/traps. If you pull the dumbbell so that your elbow is held close to your torso then it will be a lat exercise.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #202 on: September 14, 2011, 09:29:59 PM »
Here's just the lat isolator part. You could fry your lats without involving any other muscle that may give out first.

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« Reply #203 on: September 14, 2011, 09:30:45 PM »
OK, now I see the difference here. It matters greater how your elbows are positioned. If you are bent over at 90 degrees and are pulling the dumbbell with your elbows out so that it is perpendicular to your torso you will be working your rear delt/traps. If you pull the dumbbell so that your elbow is held close to your torso then it will be a lat exercise.

right but thats going to be very hard to do with a barbell, inevitably guys trying to do 90 degree bb rows work their upper backs to the exclusion of lats.

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« Reply #204 on: September 14, 2011, 09:34:58 PM »
Bad pic but loved this machine.

What the hell ever happened to that machine. They use to have that at Gold's Venice back in the early 1990's. The concept was perfect in that it was like a behind the neck pulldown except full range of motion (your elbows literally starts at your ear) and complete isolation. A perfect compliment with the pullover.

The problem people have with the pullover is almost everyone does it wrong. Most pull with their hands when you should drive back with your elbows. In fact, I would dispense entirely with grasping the front part of the bar and would just position my elbows on the pad, cup my right fist in my left palm (like when martial artist salute each other before combat), so only my elbows are making contact with the pad. Eventually when I got use to the movement I wouldn't even bother with cupping my hands but just leave it out free and position it at various angles for a different effect.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #205 on: September 14, 2011, 09:37:09 PM »
Here's just the lat isolator part. You could fry your lats without involving any other muscle that may give out first.

Yup, that's it. You can see how you can get full range of motion. Jones was a genius. No one makes that machine anymore but I think anybody who is familiar with weight training can see the advantages to that machine.

BTW, I believe that is Joe Means on that machine. He's one of the physiques I aspired to back in the day.


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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #206 on: September 14, 2011, 09:37:57 PM »
right but thats going to be very hard to do with a barbell, inevitably guys trying to do 90 degree bb rows work their upper backs to the exclusion of lats.

Agreed.

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« Reply #207 on: September 14, 2011, 09:42:18 PM »
I have no idea and you're right you started with your biceps pinned against your ears.  ;D M lats used to cramp from that machine. On the pullover machine I also learned to just keep my hands off the bar.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #208 on: September 14, 2011, 09:43:30 PM »
Yup, that's it. You can see how you can get full range of motion. Jones was a genius. No one makes that machine anymore but I think anybody who is familiar with weight training can see the advantages to that machine.

BTW, I believe that is Joe Means on that machine. He's one of the physiques I aspired to back in the day.



I guess i'm a genius too then  ;D....I've been doing those in a makeshift way for 15 years.

I use the freemotion cable setup, put those ankle loop things on it, slip my arms through them and viola...same thing.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #209 on: September 14, 2011, 09:43:37 PM »
Damn Joe Means, you got a good memory.  ;D

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #210 on: September 14, 2011, 09:46:33 PM »
LOL

no

if you tried doing barbell rows standing straight up you wouldnt be able to

when you lean farther forward the bar moves farther out in front of you, bringing the line of motion up through your upper back. as you stand more upright the bar comes closer to the body, bringin the line of motion through your lower lats.




nope...you are saying that the more upright you get, you hit your lower lats more ???

explain shrugs to me then, am i hitting my lower back with them  ??? ;D

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #211 on: September 14, 2011, 09:54:20 PM »
I guess i'm a genius too then  ;D....I've been doing those in a makeshift way for 15 years.

I use the freemotion cable setup, put those ankle loop things on it, slip my arms through them and viola...same thing.

Holy shit! You're not as dumb as you look!  ;D  I never thought of that! That might work. That just might fucking work. The problem with those freemotion machines is that you can't get a lot of resistance on those. Even the stack ain't that heavy. But I'm going to try it this Sunday.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #212 on: September 14, 2011, 09:58:47 PM »
Holy shit! You're not as dumb as you look!  ;D  I never thought of that! That might work. That just might fucking work. The problem with those freemotion machines is that you can't get a lot of resistance on those. Even the stack ain't that heavy. But I'm going to try it this Sunday.

I works PERFECTLY...think of those arms thing you hang and train your abs with attaches to two cables over your head...now bring your elbows down and back as far as you can...it rules dude

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #213 on: September 14, 2011, 10:59:09 PM »
Disgusted what do you think of Deca? and for how long is it "safe" for your system to use it..

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« Reply #214 on: September 14, 2011, 11:09:49 PM »
Disgusted what do you think of Deca? and for how long is it "safe" for your system to use it..

NPP better  ;D

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« Reply #215 on: September 15, 2011, 09:45:45 AM »
Disgusted what do you think of Deca? and for how long is it "safe" for your system to use it..

Safety is no different than any other at the relative dose for that drug. I always liked EQ better. Deca is one of those that you have to try and see how you like it.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #216 on: September 15, 2011, 10:14:25 AM »
nope...you are saying that the more upright you get, you hit your lower lats more ???

explain shrugs to me then, am i hitting my lower back with them  ??? ;D

yes, thats exactly what im saying. its not just me saying that though, its simple biomechanics.

you need to keep your lower back arched and pull the weight into your navel, its a short range of motion, the line of movement directly through your lower back. when you bend over more, the bar moves farther away from your body, bringin the line of movement through your upper back.  if you try to hit your llats doing 90 degree barbell rows by keeping the bar close to your body and pulling it up to your navel, which would be the only way you could hit the lats in that position, you will end up working your glutes and spinal erectors in order to stabilize all that weight , not really your lats.



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« Reply #217 on: September 15, 2011, 11:18:37 AM »
Another huge misconception. Most guys swell up with some water in the beginning on Dbol, but that goes away after some time.

Test has lots of sides. I am going to quote Pellius who quoted Dr Walczak, " To minimize the androgenic properties (defined then as the primary and secondary sexual characteristics) while maintaining or enhancing the anabolic (muscle building) properties. He considered steroids to be much safer with less sides than testosterone."
 

Safety is no different than any other at the relative dose for that drug. I always liked EQ better. Deca is one of those that you have to try and see how you like it.

So to summarize:
Minimizing androgenic effect and maximizing anabolic effect = safer and less sides.
Can you talk more about this and what can be expected? Do you combine them EQ + dbol or just use EQ on its own?
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« Reply #218 on: September 15, 2011, 05:50:06 PM »
So to summarize:
Minimizing androgenic effect and maximizing anabolic effect = safer and less sides.
Can you talk more about this and what can be expected? Do you combine them EQ + dbol or just use EQ on its own?

EQ and Dbol go together very well and NO they are not the same thing.

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« Reply #219 on: September 15, 2011, 06:08:09 PM »
Best stack a first timer can use -IMO. Is Test E 500mg per week and EQ -600mg a week. this is if your 200pds or more. if you way less than 200pds, id go Test E 400mg a week and EQ 400mg a week. and as a kickstart Dbol 30-50mg daily depending how one responds to it. or tbol wich I even like better 30-50mg daily, or start at 30mg a day and jumg up 10 mg a week.

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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #220 on: September 22, 2011, 08:36:09 PM »
Concerning Adonis. I can't anyone on my Mac for someone reason. OK your 1-5 has little to do with muscle size so now you are talking about a totally different reason to train more. At this point it sounds like you are using the weights not for muscle growth but for other reasons. Lets talk about #4.

Overall Health improves with more frequent training- Greater usage of Neural connections which prevent cognitive decline in later years as well as preventing Neuro-Muscular diseases. Improved VO2, improved blood flow. Lower resting heart rate, improved coordination (especially important as a person ages), Increased Bone Density etc...

Using resistance training to prevent cognitive decline will do little to prevent brain function from declining. The nigrostriatal tract in the brain typically dies off at an average rate of 13% per decade starting at around age 45. The death rate of the brains neurons is inevitable. Once the nigral neuron population has dropped below 10% of its original number death ensues NO MATTER HOW HEALTHY  THE BODY! There are other ways to prevent this from happening that are way more effective than exercise. This is a whole different subject.



Perhaps you will change your mind on this.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/stacy-irvine-dc-msc/exercise-your-brain-power_b_964448.html

Stacy Irvine, D.C., M.Sc.Founder and co-owner, Totum Life Science


Using Exercise to Enhance Your Brain Power
Posted: 9/22/11 03:30 PM ET

Over the past decade neuroscientists have made significant gains in their understanding of brain development and function. In my opinion, the most exciting research has been done in the area of neuroplasticity. Based on this research we now understand that the brain has the ability to change itself through the growth of new neuronal structures.

In his bestselling book, Brain Rules, Dr. John Medina lists 12 rules that explain how brains really work.

I am particularly interested in rule #1, stating that: Exercise boosts brain power. Dr. Medina's book explains that exercise will stimulate the birth of additional neurons in the hippocampus of the brain and that this neuronal growth creates a positive environment for your brain development.

Dr. John Ratey, the author of, Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain, has further explored these concepts in an experimental environment, testing children's cognitive abilities with and without exercise. Based on these findings, Dr. Ratey believes that exercise prior to learning or testing is an effective way to optimize the functioning of the neurons in your brain.

Exercise has also demonstrated a positive influence in the prevention of cognitive decline in older populations. University of Illinois neuroscience professor, Arthur F. Kramer in his meta-analysis looking at exercise and the aging brain, concluded that, "the benefits of physical exercise or physical activities promotes brain and cognitive vitality well into older adulthood."

Based on this research, I think we can safely say that, in addition to the many health benefits we already know about exercise, brain development can be enhanced by exercise.
For these, and many other obvious reasons, I find it very discouraging to witness the continued decrease in the physical activity levels of children, both in and outside of school.

Currently, the public school systems in Canada, offer physical education classes one to two hours per week for most grades. In many high schools there is no requirement for physical activity. Our growing problem with childhood obesity supports the idea that children are becoming less active.

Inactivity in children is not only negative from a physical health perspective, but I believe it could also have a detrimental impact on students learning and overall brain development. I think our growing population of inactive and obese children will not reach their physical or intellectual potential, if they remain inactive throughout their formative years.

This is a major problem that parents, teachers and all levels of government cannot ignore. I have been involved with many discussions around these issues, but I have yet to see effective solutions. Obesity is still increasing in our country.

The idea of exercise as a tool for brain development should be very attractive to anyone involved in education. A practical solution would be to start each school day with 30 minutes supervised physical activity. Teachers and students could participate together. This would allow everyone to start their day with enhanced brain function. A brisk walk through the neighbourhood, or laps around the school would be enough exercise to provide significant benefits. It is quite possible you would be able to recruit a few parent volunteers to help supervise the students. I am sure most adults would benefit from an extra 30 minutes of activity a day.

A simple way to benefit from these findings, as Dr. Ratey has suggested, would be to use exercise as a "primer" to enhance your brain's ability to function. This is such a simple concept that is rarely utilized in our busy world.

I have a couple of ideas to help get you started with your brain development: The next time you have a very important meeting that requires quick thinking and active listening, head out for a brisk walk 10 minutes before the meeting, climb some stairs or (if you have a private office) try some standing squats alternating with wall push ups.

If you are a student, try exercising prior to your exams and important lectures. If you are a writer or journalist, try exercising right before you sit down to formulate your latest ideas. Finally, if you are a parent and you have something important to discuss with your children, ask them to take a walk with you in a quiet place where you can share ideas, enjoy nature and build some mental strength. The research shows they might actually be listening and absorbing the information more effectively.

The message is simple. Do some exercise and build your brain!

 
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Re: Disgusted - tell us about your training strategies
« Reply #221 on: September 22, 2011, 08:57:55 PM »
Disgusted you don't use test at all or you keep it as low as posibble?  ???