Minimum amount of carbs to eat on a bulk?

[WillGrant]

Cycle carbs,and drink boatloads of water and you`ll hold less fluid.

I mean tons of water and clean carbs only............not bread,bagels and cookies and shit.

This

[WillGrant]

Experimenting with different amounts and going by the mirror and taking notes is a good thing to try also.

And this

[aesthetics]

no I am on 1 gram of total gear, not test. I am only on 490mg of prop and 525mg of tren ace. The reason my test isn't high is exactly due to water retention. And to clarify with the hgh, I am using 10iu 4x per week post workout. I shoot it all at once after my workout. I am also on 25mg of proviron every day. Not using an AI

i actually get a bloated face from tren itself. contrary to popular belief it can actually make you hold a little water, it could be that. have you run it alone before or the test alone before?

[AlphaMaleDawg]

i actually get a bloated face from tren itself. contrary to popular belief it can actually make you hold a little water, it could be that. have you run it alone before or the test alone before?

the only other time I used it was 350mg per week with 700mg of prop. This time I lowered the test and upped the train. Gains are just as good and the bloat is similar

[nosleep]

This is exactly the type of shit I wanted to read. We are pretty much the same. I HATE the puffy face. It ruins my general every-day confidence. Now I don't feel so bad not doing the 2g of carbs per lb stuff

THEN QUIT SUBSCRIBING TO THE BALONIE YOU READ FROM STUDIES.

WORRY ABOUT THIS....QUALITY ANABOLICS RUNNING THROUGH BODY, LOTS OF PROTEIN, SUFFICIENT CALORIC INTAKE(BASED ON APPETITE) AND IF U CAN AFFORD IT...THEN GH.

IM HURT NOW BUT BEFORE I WAS ON 500MG SCHERING TEST, 4IU NOVOTROPIN I WAS PUTTING DOWN ABOUT 280G PROTEIN, 105-115G FAT, 180-200G CARBS DAILY AT ABOUT 190LBS AND LEAN. SOME DAYS I WENT UP TO ABOUT 250G CARBS BECAUSE I WAS STILL STARVING...ON GH U NEED CARBS A BIT MORE IVE REALIZED....I DIDNT GET PUFFY WITH THE GH ON THE FACE.

EPIC LEAN FACE FTW.

[nosleep]

the only other time I used it was 350mg per week with 700mg of prop. This time I lowered the test and upped the train. Gains are just as good and the bloat is similar

IF UR RUNNING 40IU GH WEEKLY AND THAT 1 GRAM DOSAGE DO THIS FOR EPIC LEAN GAINS:

500MG TREN
300MG MASTERON
200MG PROP

10IU GH BEFORE WORKOUT...YES BEFORE....GO WITH QUALITY PRODUCTS....WHAT BRAND U USING. DO BEFORE WORKOUT EMPTY STOMACH...DONT BE OCD BUT EAT, GET AN EMPTY STOMACH INJECT GH, DRINK UR PRE-WO, GO TO GYM, LIFT, EAT.

[JFree92]

Cycle carbs,and drink boatloads of water and you`ll hold less fluid.

I mean tons of water and clean carbs only............not bread,bagels and cookies and shit.

What's wrong with bread?

[wes]

What's wrong with bread?

Doesn`t build any muscle whatsoever.............. I could care less what kind you buy.

Bread is for children,when you get older you eat oatmeal!! 

[JFree92]

What other sources of carbs should not be eaten?

[aesthetics]

Doesn`t build any muscle whatsoever.............. I could care less what kind you buy.

Bread is for children,when you get older you eat oatmeal!! 

oh i can assure you, you will gain mass very well on bread alone as it breaks down to glucose in the body. also, a carb is a carb and when it comes down to building muscle it's mostly about meeting metabolic requirements, necessary blood nitrogen levels as well as enough calories (which any type of carbs will fulfill), to create an anabolic rather than catabolic environment

[wes]

oh i can assure you, you will gain mass very well on bread alone as it breaks down to glucose in the body. also, a carb is a carb and when it comes down to building muscle it's mostly about meeting metabolic requirements, necessary blood nitrogen levels as well as enough calories (which any type of carbs will fulfill), to create an anabolic rather than catabolic environment

A calorie is not a calorie and a macroinutrient is not just a macronutrient as far as building a good physique goes.

Bread is a simple carb loaded with preservatives and nowhere near as good as slower digesting carbs such as brown rice,yams,oats,etc.

For a quick digesting carb,try dextrose or honey post-workout.

Bread tastes great,but it sux as far as nutrition goes and as a carb source for bodybuilding it flat out blows!!

[wes]

What other sources of carbs should not be eaten?

Do a Google search for good clean carb sources.

[JFree92]

I thought, from studies from people like Alan Aragon etc that a carb was a carb - the only difference between various carbs was the fibre and other nutrition content in terms of vitamins etc

[wes]

I thought, from studies from people like Alan Aragon etc that a carb was a carb - the only difference between various carbs was the fibre and other nutrition content in terms of vitamins etc

Fuck Alan Aragon.......he`s trying to make a buck!

[JFree92]

My mind is full of fuck. So in terms of what I can eat then - oats, potatoes, brown rice?

[wes]

My mind is full of fuck. So in terms of what I can eat then - oats, potatoes, brown rice?

Oatmeal
Cream of Wheat
Yams
Potatoes (preferably baked)
Sweet Potatoes
Brown Rice
White Rice
Fibrous vegetables

These are clean carb sources............you can eat other stuff like bread,twinkies,marshmallows,etc., but these are the best carb sources for bodybuilding purposes.

[hrspwr]

Unrefined carbohydrates - work from there.

[JFree92]

Oatmeal
Cream of Wheat
Yams
Potatoes (preferably baked)
Sweet Potatoes
Brown Rice
White Rice
Fibrous vegetables

These are clean carb sources............you can eat other stuff like bread,twinkies,marshmallows,etc., but these are the best carb sources for bodybuilding purposes.

Thanks, to be honest that's pretty much all I get in terms of carbs anyway. My carb intake for the day is usually all in the form of oats and rice but I was under the impression that IIFYM was true. I guess I'll have to re-evaluate but I was convinced by studies that this was the case.

[wes]

Thanks, to be honest that's pretty much all I get in terms of carbs anyway. My carb intake for the day is usually all in the form of oats and rice but I was under the impression that IIFYM was true. I guess I'll have to re-evaluate but I was convinced by studies that this was the case.

IIFYM is just an excuse to eat shitty.

Tons of guys eat like crap in the off-season,and I have my cheat meals also,but you have to take into account the amounts of drugs some guys are on as well as genetics and cardio.

Otherwise,you can just gain a lot of fat that you`ll have to lose later on.

Eat clean,just eat more when trying to gain muscle size.

[JFree92]

I'll try to clean up my diet a little more then. What are your opinions on keto?

[wes]

I'll try to clean up my diet a little more then. What are your opinions on keto?

Personally,I like eating carbs.

Look up my carb cycling article online.

Just Google   Tim Wescott Carb Cycling

[nosleep]

Oatmeal
Cream of Wheat
Yams
Potatoes (preferably baked)
Sweet Potatoes
Brown Rice
White Rice
Fibrous vegetables

These are clean carb sources............you can eat other stuff like bread,twinkies,marshmallows,etc., but these are the best carb sources for bodybuilding purposes.

HALF OF THAT SHIT BLUNTS MY APPETITE...SEE WHICH CARBS ALLOW YOU TO EAT AGAIN, SOONER. FOR ME RICE, QUIONA, AND USUALLY FRUITS. POTATOES, OATMEAL FOR SURE, ETC. BLOAT THE FUCK OUT OF ME AND KILL MY APPETITE FOR LIKE 3-4 HOURS.

Y

[wes]

HALF OF THAT SHIT BLUNTS MY APPETITE...SEE WHICH CARBS ALLOW YOU TO EAT AGAIN, SOONER. FOR ME RICE, QUIONA, AND USUALLY FRUITS. POTATOES, OATMEAL FOR SURE, ETC. BLOAT THE FUCK OUT OF ME AND KILL MY APPETITE FOR LIKE 3-4 HOURS.

Y

Simple solution.......eat every 3-4 hours.

[nosleep]

Simple solution.......eat every 3-4 hours.

DUMB SHIT BRO.

IF I CAN EAT 40G OF CARBS FROM RICE, WITH MY PROTEIN & FAT AND BE HUNGRY AGAIN FOR ANOTHER MEAL IN 1.5 HRS, WHY WOULD I EAT 40G CARBS FROM OATMEAL AND WAIT EVEN LONGER TO EAT.

MAKE URSELF HUNGRIER, AND THEN EAT. WILL EATING OATMEAL OR RICE ALLOW ME TO CONSUME MORE FOODS AT THE END OF THE DAY?

RICE.

[aesthetics]

A calorie is not a calorie and a macroinutrient is not just a macronutrient as far as building a good physique goes.

Bread is a simple carb loaded with preservatives and nowhere near as good as slower digesting carbs such as brown rice,yams,oats,etc.

For a quick digesting carb,try dextrose or honey post-workout.

Bread tastes great,but it sux as far as nutrition goes and as a carb source for bodybuilding it flat out blows!!

if you are physically active the GI of carbs is largely irrelevant because your insulin sensitivity is high and the carbs get shuttled into muscle tissue, rather than stored in adipose tissue like if you are sedentary with high insulin resistance. for a bodybuilder, what matters is the total calories and getting enough of the necessary micro and macro-nutrients to allow growth to happen in an environment where there is sufficient stimuli exerted on muscles to induce the growth