Customer At Internet Cafe Shoots 2 Robbers

[Bindare_Dundat]

wow just great, a situation that had a low to moderate chance of shots being fired now turned into people getting potentially lethally injured and exposing innocent bystanders to the same risk.

Stfu.

[Rami]

oh... it's "those" people again 

[Kim Jong Bob]

LOOK!!! A F.AGGOT!!!!!!

[makaveli25]

Although irrelevant to this thread, hows the 2nd amendment working out for you guys? When was the last time it was used for its intended purpose?

You're a little bitch. You don't think people should have the right to defend themselves? What kind of man are you?

Guns are a great equalizer. A frail old woman can protect her life from multiple attackers that are bigger than her how is that not a great thing? I can rest assured knowing I have my glock under my bed. If some piece of shit tries to break into my house in the middle of the night when I'm at my most vunerable I will be able to protect myself and my loved ones. Guns are the great equalizer. Get that through your brain filthy hippy f.aggot.

Maybe if your girlfriend or mom gets raped or murdered in the middle of the night you will change your mind.

[Agnostic007]

I don't know the gentlemans background so maybe it was just blind luck the robbers were in the same area, and there were no bystanders in the line of fire or behind the robbers. But just based on the video it appears the gentleman knew what he was doing and did a great job. He had eyes on both of them. in critiqueing it, he gets high marks for balls and awareness of his targets. I'd have to mark him down for exposing himself so much and not seeking cover to fire from. With one robber he would have been fine engaging and closing in while firing, but with two.. it's a risk. Finally, after the thugs fled I would advise him to remain vigilant at the doorway as one might double back for some insane reason and want to come in blasting. Unlikely, but why risk it. Overall, well done.     

[doison]

There's nothing quite like anecdotes of extreme situations where a brave and ballsy man saves the day 

If he saved the day by killing people, then you can too! It's so easy, isn't it?

FYI, the scenario you just described I'd say he had all rights to take those thugs down, I mean it really doesn't get much more extreme than that. But a few anecdotes(that gun people like to tell all the time) here and there just doesn't cut it when you try to justify making an already risky situation lethal. 

If one of my family members got killed or seriously injured because a nearby victim didn't feel like being someones bitch I'd hunt that fucker down and shove his concealed weapon right up his ass.

What if that "fucker" asks for your wallet and tells you to bend over? 
Then your loved ones are dead, you're broke, and their killer is balls deep in your "I'll gladly bend over any day" ass. 

[doison]

You're probably way more likely to die in traffic than getting killed by some murdering crackhead. Are you going to stop driving vehicles from now on? You don't wanna be some statistic, right?

But when a murdering crackhead has a gun pointed at your head while you're not in your car.....I'm pretty sure the probability of dying in traffic loses top billing. 

I don't think you understand these "statistics" you speak of. 

[doison]

I'm trying to find some real statistics on this issue and came across this from the FBI website:

"Injuries, Deaths, and Hostages Taken

Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/bank-crime-statistics-2011/bank-crime-statistics-2011

Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is.

Studies show that it drops to 0.0% after I shoot him in the face a few times. 

[Nails]

old fucker was probably surfing porn at the internet cafe

[Shockwave]

I don't know the gentlemans background so maybe it was just blind luck the robbers were in the same area, and there were no bystanders in the line of fire or behind the robbers. But just based on the video it appears the gentleman knew what he was doing and did a great job. He had eyes on both of them. in critiqueing it, he gets high marks for balls and awareness of his targets. I'd have to mark him down for exposing himself so much and not seeking cover to fire from. With one robber he would have been fine engaging and closing in while firing, but with two.. it's a risk. Finally, after the thugs fled I would advise him to remain vigilant at the doorway as one might double back for some insane reason and want to come in blasting. Unlikely, but why risk it. Overall, well done.     

Agree on all counts, but not a lot of cover to be had without endangering bystanders, not to mention only one of the robbers had a firearms, and the other was preoccupied.
Id say near flawless on his part.

[240 is Back]

Studies show that it drops to 0.0% after I shoot him in the face a few times. 

AMEN!

[Voice of Doom]

Perhaps we all need to take a step back and learn from the master.

[Agnostic007]

First this;

"Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies [/font] that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."

and then this;

"Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is."

My observation- The first paragraph includes burglaries, which for the most part, no one is present but the burglar. Larcenies that is a fancy word for theft, which can be shoplifting, bad checks etc... Then the second paragraph makes the 5,086 incidents into "bank robberies"... kind of confusing for me...

[lovemonkey]

This isn't a complex argument.  

You don't mind the fact you have no right to defend yourself and your family.  You would rather put your life in the hands of statistics, and the state.  You obviously come from a country of slaves, that better obey, and do as they're told.

You're still playing the statistics games even if you decide to defend yourself. This is probably the main issue you guys aren't getting through your thick skulls. Pulling out a gun is absolutely no guarantee that you and those around you are safe all of the sudden.

Why are you even debating it with us?  You live your life your way, we'll live ares our way.

Probably one of the more bizarre things I've ever seen posted on a >>DISCUSSION FORUM<<

[lovemonkey]

First this;

"Acts of violence were committed during 201 of the 5,086 robberies, burglaries, and larcenies [/font] that occurred during the 12-month period. These acts included 70 instances involving the discharge of firearms, one instance involving an explosive, and 116 instances involving assaults. (One or more acts of violence may occur during an incident.) These acts of violence resulted in 88 injuries, 13 deaths, and 30 persons taken hostage."

and then this;

"Out of 5.086 bank robberies in the United States, only 13 people died. That's a roughly 0.2% risk of someone getting killed if you find yourself in a bank robbery. I'd interpret that as a very low risk considering how serious a bank robbery is."

My observation- The first paragraph includes burglaries, which for the most part, no one is present but the burglar. Larcenies that is a fancy word for theft, which can be shoplifting, bad checks etc... Then the second paragraph makes the 5,086 incidents into "bank robberies"... kind of confusing for me...

All those numbers are from the page "Bank Crime Statistics". Not sure why there would be any reason to interpret it in any other way.

[Roger Bacon]

Pulling out a gun is absolutely no guarantee that you and those around you are safe all of the sudden.

We all understand that fact.  

You're the one missing the point here.


I just assumed after you looked like a horses ass eleven times in a row you would back off.

You have more heart than most getbiggers. 

[lovemonkey]

Sounds like a guy that doesn't believe in the right to bear arms...You a yankee boy?

No I'm not(duh!).

I'm not necessarily against the right to bear arms(especially in the states) but I also think it comes with great responsibility. If you pull out a gun at a robbery scene you better know what the hell you're doing and not expose innocent bystanders to additional risks, given that a large majority of robberies don't end up with people dead to begin with.

If it's just you and the robber in the area then by all means, knock yourself out.

[Roger Bacon]

No I'm not(duh!).

I'm not necessarily against the right to bear arms(especially in the states) but I also think it comes with great responsibility. If you pull out a gun at a robbery scene you better know what the hell you're doing and not expose innocent bystanders to additional risks, given that a large majority of robberies don't end up with people dead to begin with.

If it's just you and the robber in the area then by all means, knock yourself out.

Are we missing something here?  When was a gun legally pulled in self defense that something went wrong?  This doesn't ever happen as far as I know?



Six pages over a non-issue, our right to self defense got you butt hurt?

[lovemonkey]

Some of prefer to be proactive and would rather take our lives into our own hands than leave it in the hands of some cracked out burglar.

That all sounds good and well but at some point you guys need to bring some sort of evidence to the table that your plan of action is the one that actually insures that the victim has a better chance of surviving.

Two examples:

1) You and your friends are in a dark alley and all of the sudden some crackhead pulls a a gun on you and asks for your wallets. You're dumbfounded and really don't have much time to do anything than to just simply comply with the robber. Pulling out a gun would be very risky since he's already pointing a gun at you.

2) You're on Utøya at the time of the Breivik shooting. People are being massacred and he shows no signs of stopping. Pulling a gun is risky but I'd say almost mandatory in this case.

There's a time and place for everything, but you guys make it sound that one should always pull a gun if facing a serious threat.. I don't agree with that.

[Roger Bacon]

Everyone I know with a concealed carry permit (no permit should be required as in AZ, AK, VT, and WY) takes the same tactical classes the Sheriff's department takes, taught by law enforcement.  

[lovemonkey]

I'm still curious why the other people that share my view on this aren't being called faggots. I understand that I've been made some type of bottom bitch here apparently(oh brother) but still, my stance doesn't differ much from Bam Bam's and Mensa Bob's for example... not to mention el numero uno who has actually been robbed at gunpoint.

[Roger Bacon]

I'm still curious why the other people that share my view on this aren't being called faggots. I understand that I've been made some type of bottom bitch here apparently(oh brother) but still, my stance doesn't differ much from Bam Bam's and Mensa Bob's for example... not to mention el numero uno who has actually been robbed at gunpoint.

Maybe it's because they have their opinions, yet they're not willing to go so far as to be ass raped like you are? 

[lovemonkey]

Maybe it's because they have their opinions, yet they're not willing to go so far as to be ass raped like you are? 

I was called a fa.ggot, pussy and pansy right after my first post.

[Roger Bacon]

I was called a fa.ggot, pussy and pansy right after my first post.

Welcome to getbig? 

[Psychopath]

I stopped reading when the second page started. Jeez   .