without steroids he d be 160 lbs top. Steroids make you feel euphoric and distant from reality. Until you crash.
LOL, I weighed 175 lbs at 5'9" when I was 17 running track in high school.

Just how "special ed " are some of you guys when it comes to building muscle mass? seriously.
I hate to go negative but I just gotta get this off my chest.
Do you really belive it is impossible to compete at 195 lbs in contest shape without drugs? Really.
Do your genetics sucks THAT bad that it makes you think anything over 170lbs lean is "all drugs".
I'm not that good a bodybuilder and you folks act like I had some freakish mass that REQUIRED drugs?
Once again, it really does amaze me that some of you think I just had to use drugs to look like I did > really?
Oh well, thanks I guess and it really isn't that big a deal to build the size I did.
The best juiced up pros are all 40, 50 or more lbs bigger and alot more impressive then I ever was.