Is Tom Brady The Best Football Player Ever?

[ChopperRider]

When you use the term "football player" I do not put quarterbacks into that category. Sorry.  The question should be is Tom Brady the best quarterback of all time.

Only if you're asking the question, and you're not, so your opinion adds nothing to the discussion.

[ChopperRider]

Exactly but these boneheads keep throwing out "it's the system"

I keep saying EVERY GOOD QB plays in a system , good coaches build their players around their QB's strengths and have players that cater to the QB.

If these players had X coach or if X coach had X players. It's not that simple obviously guys that have never played or took the time to learn.

Good point. I'm struggling to come up with a QB that isn't a system quarterback. Favre? Marino? Red Grange? 

[snx]

Good point. I'm struggling to come up with a QB that isn't a system quarterback. Favre? Marino? Red Grange? 

Exactly. Would Joe Montana have had the success he did without the wisdom of Bill Walsh - the pioneer of the West Coast Offensive system? Perhaps not...so yes, a great quarterback cannot succeed without a great system/coach/teammates/preparation/planning.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Exactly. Would Joe Montana have had the success he did without the wisdom of Bill Walsh - the pioneer of the West Coast Offensive system? Perhaps not...so yes, a great quarterback cannot succeed without a great system/coach/teammates/preparation/planning.

Fuck off.  Montana is a Legend.

[tu_holmes]

This is actually funny.  To the OP, don't let this fool holmes guy lead you astray.

Roger Staubach may or may not be better than Favre.

But in no way is he better than LT.  A player that revolutionized his position and may be the best defensive player in the history of the game.

This from a guy who says Elway was better than Montana.

[snx]

Fuck off.  Montana is a Legend.

Of course he is El Gato Negro. That's why I put him in my list in my earlier post as the greatest quarterback of all time. Thanks for reading that great post I made on page 3. I hate you.

[El Diablo Blanco]

To anwer the OP.  No he's not.

[240 is Back]

I totally agree!

I can't imagine ever relaxing with some shady ass staff being able to come thru my house as they please.  Chef eyeballing my wife, Pedo security guy guarding kids, nah... I'd rather just cook my own meals and have the pitbulls keep the riff raff out.

[Voice of Doom]

Joe Montana.

[Shockwave]

Joe Montana.

Joe Montania.

[Palpatine Q]

I can't imagine ever relaxing with some shady ass staff being able to come thru my house as they please.  Chef eyeballing my wife, Pedo security guy guarding kids, nah... I'd rather just cook my own meals and have the pitbulls keep the riff raff out.

I count six pickup trucks with tools in them in front of his house, there's probably always fucking contractors fixing and upgrading shit and making noise. Not hating, but if i had that cash i would be someplace a lot smaller and private, you wouldn't be able to find my ass unless I wanted you to. And i would have a huge negro bodyguard who would have to change his name to Shabazz K. Morton

[MORTALCOIL]

People are way too focused on quaterbacks. Sure the game revolves around them but still, Jerry Rice was the most impressive athlete to grace football to me. And i didn't even like the 49ers, they were too good. I tend to go for the gritty untalented underdogs who make up for their shortcomings by being aggressive and dishonest. Like myself.

[CalvinH]

True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.

[Palpatine Q]

True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.

It's not like Phil Simms sucked, That's the thing with the draft.  look at Brady, he was an afterthought...i'd bet there were still 6 Quarterbacks left on their board that had his skill set at the time and they went with him.

[snx]

True story....Bill Walsh wanted to draft Phil Simms but they were to far down in the draft and the Giants took him.

Phil Simms could have been a great QB in the west coast system. 3 step drops, designed routes, timing routes...he was an accurate passer. But he didn't become all he could be in Bill Parcell's "run and play defense" type of system. Simms was very good, but one shudders to think what he could have done with a league unprepared for the West Coast Offense, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.

[Nails]

Tom Brady at the Combine

Yes, laugh, but know he has 3 rings and maybe 4 after this year

[CalvinH]

It's not like Phil Simms sucked, That's the thing with the draft.  look at Brady, he was an afterthought...i'd bet there were still 6 Quarterbacks left on their board that had his skill set at the time and they went with him.

As a Giant fan I'm not complaing they got Simms

qb's taken before Brady

Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chad Redmab
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn

[Hulkotron]

You guys got something against defensive players being the best?

Lawrence Taylor has been mentioned multiple times you illiterate son of a bitch.

[CalvinH]

Phil Simms could have been a great QB in the west coast system. 3 step drops, designed routes, timing routes...he was an accurate passer. But he didn't become all he could be in Bill Parcell's "run and play defense" type of system. Simms was very good, but one shudders to think what he could have done with a league unprepared for the West Coast Offense, Jerry Rice, John Taylor and Roger Craig.

Who know right?

...Phil had to change his style for the Meadowlands...Had to throw a harder more ''driving'' ball to deal with the winds.

[Wiggs]

Tom Brady at the Combine

Yes, laugh, but know he has 3 rings and maybe 4 after this year

The Pats are my team and Brady is my boy but he looked like he was running in slow motion. lol. I wonder whose slower, Brady or Payton Manning. LOLZ

[ChopperRider]

The Pats are my team and Brady is my boy but he looked like he was running in slow motion. lol. I wonder whose slower, Brady or Payton Manning. LOLZ

Joe Montana.

Seriously, I think I could have had "better" combine numbers than Joe Montana coming out of college.

Maybe even Dan Marino. 

[Palpatine Q]

As a Giant fan I'm not complaing they got Simms

qb's taken before Brady

Chad Pennington
Giovanni Carmazzi
Chad Redmab
Tee Martin
Marc Bulger
Spergon Wynn

Yup. The man is one of the best..but at the time i highly doubt Bill Belicheck was saying " This guy is going to be one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time"  good fortune for the Pats. that's how dynasties are made, you get players that turn into HOFers, that nobody saw coming.. on top of a sound draft that produces good players.

Then you have the Jets and Cardinals,almost every top pick is a bust, and your second and third rounders play like second and third rounders  

Disgruntled jet fan here, who moved to Arizona to have another perennial doormat as the home team, I'm doomed  

[Wiggs]

Joe Montana.

Seriously, I think I could have had "better" combine numbers than Joe Montana coming out of college.

Maybe even Dan Marino. 

LOLZ. I don't wanna pick on the white fellas too much. I've always been extremely fast. Never thought anything about it till high school. That's when I realized I was even faster than 95% of the blacks.  Did track, did football, never liked practicing though.lol...I've wondered what it's like to be slow. It doesn't register for me...it must suck.

[CalvinH]

Yup. The man is one of the best..but at the time i highly doubt Bill Belicheck was saying " This guy is going to be one of the greatest Quarterbacks of all time"  good fortune for the Pats. that's how dynasties are made, you get players that turn into HOFers, that nobody saw coming.. on top of a sound draft that produces good players.

Then you have the Jets and Cardinals,almost every top pick is a bust, and your second and third rounders play like second and third rounders  

Disgruntled jet fan here, who moved to Arizona to have another perennial doormat as the home team, I'm doomed  

Lol,well you can thank your boys the Jets for knocking out Bledsoe and starting the legend of Brady

[Mr Nobody]

I count six pickup trucks with tools in them in front of his house, there's probably always fucking contractors fixing and upgrading shit and making noise. Not hating, but if i had that cash i would be someplace a lot smaller and private, you wouldn't be able to find my ass unless I wanted you to. And i would have a huge negro bodyguard who would have to change his name to Shabazz K. Morton

Yep I moved to a rural area but close to the city but away from noise, now they built a Target across the road nothing but noise and traffic now I hate the shit.