since my delts are really under developed, what am i doing wrong?

[jpm101]

That's a typo, it's 120lbs lateral raises, almost matching those 160 lbs DB inclines. Throwing in 10X10's (GVT) in the same workout, even more impressive. 

 People still use 'that's how we roll"?  Guess so.

[dj181]

120 pound db laterals

[Mr Nobody]

120 pound db laterlas

Big Dicked Bob is up to 140 lb laterals.

[dj181]

Big Dicked Bob is up to 140 lb laterals.

well there's only one BDB

[anabolichalo]

i use 14kg dumbels for laterals

maybe thats why the delts are tinytits

[njflex]

120 pound db laterals

SAW A VIDEO OF GASPARI/FLEX LEWIS TOSSING LITERALLY BUT MOVING 60-90'S ON SIDE RAISES.THAT'S FREAKING HEAVY..

[dj181]

SAW A VIDEO OF GASPARI/FLEX LEWIS TOSSING LITERALLY BUT MOVING 60-90'S ON SIDE RAISES.THAT'S FREAKING HEAVY..

agreed

King Zane only worked up to 35 MAX on db laterals



and this here is a pair of delts old-school style

[njflex]

agreed

King Zane only worked up to 35 MAX on db laterals



and this here is a pair of delts old-school style

GREAT PIC FIND'S THERE,,,I LIKE THIS ZANE LOOK OVER THE FREAKIER DRIER VERSION 77/83 ,,I WOULD LIKE EITHER IMO 

[dj181]

GREAT PIC FIND'S THERE,,,I LIKE THIS ZANE LOOK OVER THE FREAKIER DRIER VERSION 77/83 ,,I WOULD LIKE EITHER IMO 

as much as it pains me to say this, i think you're right about being freaky ripped and dry not being so appealing

this here is a real nice look i think, as he's still quite lean (about 8-9%) but not so ripped and dry and he's got some damn good fullness to him

[Mr Nobody]

as much as it pains me to say this, i think you're right about being freaky ripped and dry not being so appealing

this here is a real nice look i think, as he's still quite lean (about 8-9%) but not so ripped and dry and he's got some damn good fullness to him

Whats wrong with a person that wants look like this?

[dj181]

Whats wrong with a person that wants look like this?

nothings wrong with it, in fact it's better than what i envisioned to be ideal ie. a ripped and dry sub-6

yeah, i guess that i can be quite a delusional dipshit from time to time lol

[Mr Nobody]

Damn it I am keeping my hair and going to eat some macaroni and cheese.

[Mawse]

That's a typo, it's 120lbs lateral raises, almost matching those 160 lbs DB inclines. Throwing in 10X10's (GVT) in the same workout, even more impressive. 

 People still use 'that's how we roll"?  Guess so.

yeah, nice try.

I had a pec tear back last December and I'm still not at my previous pressing strength, I've done 150's for 10 and inclined 315 for 6.

20lb for laterals is plenty.

[chaos]

yeah, nice try.

I had a pec tear back last December and I'm still not at my previous pressing strength, I've done 150's for 10 and inclined 315 for 6.

20lb for laterals is plenty.

Nice!
How are you doing your laterals? Cause I don't even feel 20's unless I do something like high reps, superset, etc.

[njflex]

Nice!
How are you doing your laterals? Cause I don't even feel 20's unless I do something like high reps, superset, etc.

run the rack i've done them last few delt wokouts say 40/30/25/20 nice pump.

[Mawse]

I start at 10, do one arm at a time for maybe 3 sets, then jump to 15, one arm a time, alternating with no rest, then 20's alternating arms until I get bored.

 I squeeze the DB up since I have tendinosis in both my RC's and my promixal bicep tendon didn't look so great on my last shoulder MRI - apparently laterals are one of the worst exercises for tearing a frayed proximal bicep tendon and that would suck !

I also stop about an inch from shoulder height (impingement, yay) and avoid the bottom 1/6th of the lift since apparently that puts hellacious stress on the RC to initiate the pull.

Then I go do some equally faggy light pressing on a hammer machine or light DBs. I shoulder pressed the 140's for a few reps many years ago but these days I rarely go over 80lbs for presses Almost always do it after chest so I don't need to use so much weight I get hurt.

getting old is a bitch

[njflex]

I start at 10, do one arm at a time for maybe 3 sets, then jump to 15, one arm a time, alternating with no rest, then 20's alternating arms until I get bored.

 I squeeze the DB up since I have tendinosis in both my RC's and my promixal bicep tendon didn't look so great on my last shoulder MRI - apparently laterals are one of the worst exercises for tearing a frayed proximal bicep tendon and that would suck !

I also stop about an inch from shoulder height (impingement, yay) and avoid the bottom 1/6th of the lift since apparently that puts hellacious stress on the RC to initiate the pull.

Then I go do some equally faggy light pressing on a hammer machine or light DBs. I shoulder pressed the 140's for a few reps many years ago but these days I rarely go over 80lbs for presses Almost always do it after chest so I don't need to use so much weight I get hurt.

getting old is a bitch

nice...as long as u hold your mass/size over the long haul .the weight is less important other than ego.

[chaos]

run the rack i've done them last few delt wokouts say 40/30/25/20 nice pump.

It just depends...standing I do 55-60's then 40's then 30's, seated I start at 40-45's then 35's then 25's. Seated facing the incline bench I start about 35-40.....see where I'm going? I see mawse does them one arm at a time I assume he holds onto a rack or something with the free hand.

[njflex]

It just depends...standing I do 55-60's then 40's then 30's, seated I start at 40-45's then 35's then 25's. Seated facing the incline bench I start about 35-40.....see where I'm going? I see mawse does them one arm at a time I assume he holds onto a rack or something with the free hand.

i do cable version single hold post or grip on machine or single db i hold on to a seated bench chair all the way up and do i side then switch to other .i try or do them all in some rotation.

[chaos]

I wonder what type mawse does that he feels the 20's are enough?

[Big Chiro Flex]

I wonder what type mawse does that he feels the 20's are enough?

My heaviest presses are the 130's on flat bench....and 20's are the heaviest i go on laterals. If you're trying to isolate delts on your laterals and perform the movement correctly with minimal momentum, you don't need much weight. If you can't hold your DB at the top of the movement for 1-2 seconds, it's probably too much weight. I know nobody that can hold 40lb dumbells like this. But i know plenty who can swing 80s all day long.

One more time: deltoids are designed for circumduction, not as a primary mover.

[chaos]

My heaviest presses are the 130's on flat bench....and 20's are the heaviest i go on laterals. If you're trying to isolate delts on your laterals and perform the movement correctly with minimal momentum, you don't need much weight. If you can't hold your DB at the top of the movement for 1-2 seconds, it's probably too much weight. I know nobody that can hold 40lb dumbells like this. But i know plenty who can swing 80s all day long.

One more time: deltoids are designed for circumduction, not as a primary mover.

Obviously different versions yield different numbers, standing is more sway, seated your body can still lean, seated facing the incline is probably the strictest. Do you hold every exercise at contraction for 1-2 seconds? Or do you hold the 20's to the side and make circles in the air

[Big Chiro Flex]

Obviously different versions yield different numbers, standing is more sway, seated your body can still lean, seated facing the incline is probably the strictest. Do you hold every exercise at contraction for 1-2 seconds?

Yeah I agree with you there. I was just making the point that it's not THAT weird that Mawse trains delts in this fashion. A lot of guys have been calling bullshit on his methods.

No I don't hold a peak contraction for that long on most exercises. Mostly just for delts. My goal with them is to force myself to use the lightest weight possible to reach failure at my target rep range. Opposite my training philosophy for the big 3 lifts.

[chaos]

Yeah I agree with you there. I was just making the point that it's not THAT weird that Mawse trains delts in this fashion. A lot of guys have been calling bullshit on his methods.

No I don't hold a peak contraction for that long on most exercises. Mostly just for delts. My goal with them is to force myself to use the lightest weight possible to reach failure at my target rep range. Opposite my training philosophy for the big 3 lifts.

It's just strange to see someone press 160's, (which involves massive shoulder strength) then turn and claim 20's for laterals. Thats why I asked about technique.
Sometimes I do the seated side into front raise overhead back into side lat movement, then I'll use 20's max.

[Big Chiro Flex]

It's just strange to see someone press 160's, (which involves massive shoulder strength) then turn and claim 20's for laterals. Thats why I asked about technique.
Sometimes I do the seated side into front raise overhead back into side lat movement, then I'll use 20's max.

I hear what you're saying. Going "light" on shoulder day is unorthodox for what you see most guys in the gym doing. My belief is that we'd see a whole lot less labrum tears and rotator cuff ailments if guys backed off on the heavy stuff for delts.

I realize we're using subjective terminology in these posts though (heavy, light, etc). I focus in rep ranges where I want to failure...with delts I want to fail anything over 20 reps. So for me, 20lb dumbells do the trick.

What rep ranges do you use for shoulders?