Author Topic: Ferguson 'victim' has rap sheet, robbed store same morning (Read 79230 times)

240 is Back · « **Reply #425 on:** September 04, 2014, 08:48:02 PM »

i hope that cracked orbital, cheekbone is healing.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #426 on:** October 17, 2014, 10:57:54 AM »

New Claims Made by Grand Jury Witness Who Says He Saw Shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson From Start to Finish
Oct. 16, 2014
Jason Howerton

An Ohio resident has reportedly revealed new details to the grand jury currently weighing a case against Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. The unidentified witness claims to have seen the Brown shooting from start to finish.

In an interview with the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the eyewitness recalled four key details:

• After an initial scuffle in the car, the officer did not fire until Brown turned back toward him.

• Brown put his arms out to his sides but never raised his hands high.

• Brown staggered toward Wilson despite commands to stop.

• The two were about 20 to 25 feet apart when the last shots were fired.

The man’s account differs some with other Ferguson residents who have claimed that Brown’s hands were up in the air when he was shot and that he was running away from the officer the entire time.

The witness, who is reportedly black, said he saw Wilson’s police vehicle stop near Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson as they walked in the middle of the street. He said he heard the officer say something to the pair, but he wasn’t sure what was said. He said officer Wilson then drove past them and proceeded to back his vehicle up.

Looking at the scene unfold from the right side of the police SUV, the witness claims he saw a “tussle going on” and recalled seeing Wilson’s hat come off.

The “tussle” was allegedly followed by a gunshot, sending Brown running away from the officer. The witness said Wilson then drew his firearm and yelled, “Stop! Stop! Stop!”

More from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

The witness said Brown did stop, mumbled something he could not clearly hear and took a step toward Wilson.

“When he stepped foot on that street, the officer told him to stop again, and he fired three shots,” the witness recalled. “When he (Brown) got hit, he staggered like, ‘Oh,’ and his body moved. Then he looked down.

“His hands were up like this (he gestures with arms out to the side and palms upward), and he was looking at the officer and was coming toward him trying to keep his feet and stand up. The officer took a few steps back and yelled, ‘Stop,’ again, and Michael was trying to stay on his feet.

“He was 20 to 25 feet from officer, and after he started staggering, he (Wilson) let off four more rounds. As he was firing those last rounds, Michael was on his way down. We were thinking, ‘Oh my God, oh my God, brother, stop, stop.’ He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots.”

After going over the entire incident in his head, the witness said he believes that Wilson is guilty of murder.

“It went from zero to 100 like that, in the blink of an eye. … What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder,” he added.

Read the full report here.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/10/16/new-claims-made-by-grand-jury-witness-who-says-he-saw-shooting-of-michael-brown-in-ferguson-from-start-to-finish/

Mawse · « **Reply #427 on:** October 17, 2014, 12:53:59 PM »

So the witness pretty much backs up that the Gentle Giant attacked the cop and was shot as a result, and 'hands up don't shoot' never happened.

but still thinks it was murder.

"The witness, who is reportedly black"

yeah no kidding.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #428 on:** October 17, 2014, 02:11:41 PM »

Quote from: Mawse on October 17, 2014, 12:53:59 PM

So the witness pretty much backs up that the Gentle Giant attacked the cop and was shot as a result, and 'hands up don't shoot' never happened.

but still thinks it was murder.

"The witness, who is reportedly black"

yeah no kidding.

His description certainly doesn't sound like murder.

George Whorewell · « **Reply #429 on:** October 17, 2014, 06:45:54 PM »

Quote from: Dos Equis on October 17, 2014, 02:11:41 PM

His description certainly doesn't sound like murder.

He was doing calisthenics at the time of the shooting.

Archer77 · « **Reply #430 on:** October 18, 2014, 05:31:13 AM »

Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MATT APUZZO and JULIE BOSMAN OCT. 17, 2014

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

WASHINGTON — The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.

The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.

240 is Back · « **Reply #431 on:** October 18, 2014, 09:14:09 AM »

The struggle is something we all agree on. I think the issue is...

AFTER the struggle, when Brown had committed his felony and was already due prison time...
AFTER he ran 20 to 25 feet and was told "FREEZE" by the cop who finally got over his ass whooping...

AFTER all that, did the cop execute his ass at 20+ feet? If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.

it's becoming clear now.

Archer77 · « **Reply #432 on:** October 18, 2014, 09:15:32 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 09:14:09 AM

If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.

it's becoming clear now.

Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.

Mawse · « **Reply #433 on:** October 18, 2014, 09:27:37 AM »

The gentle giant likely didn't need those final shots but he was a big, fat buck and Wilson had no way of knowing how many rounds had hit the target

What caliber was Wilson's sidearm ? 6 rounds of 9mm is about average for police shootings since it doesn't have much stopping power

The only objective facts to come out of this are that "tha community" are liars and anyone who protested for the po Chile is retarded

polychronopolous · « **Reply #434 on:** October 18, 2014, 09:32:03 AM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 09:15:32 AM

Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

240 is Back · « **Reply #435 on:** October 18, 2014, 09:59:40 AM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 09:15:32 AM

Yes they can. A person who doesn't comply is still a threat.

eh, but it's some weak ass soup.

if cops start executing people who disobey them, unarmed, at 20 feet away, we no longer live in America, lol.

Imagine cops summarily shooting 700 drunks every night in NYC because they didn't obey an order fast enough.
Imagine cops shooting speeders that don't pull over immediately.
Imagine cops blasting you in the face at 20 feet because your hearing aid doesn't work and he tells you to do something.

No, sorry, I gotta disagree. Cop took a whooping and Brown was headed for prison no matter what.
Him turning around - and standing - that's an execution. Charge cop with murder.

Outside of that, if he's advancing, I'm okay with the cop making a judgment call. And that's because of the prior confrontation - cop know ass whooping #2 is coming. Either way, he's too weak to be a cop, most likely. Don't take his pension if he shot an advanving Brown, but move him to a desk. I don't want him in my town shooting people.

240 is Back · « **Reply #436 on:** October 18, 2014, 10:08:59 AM »

Also, IMO they're releasing this "blood found on cop car" info because something big is coming on other end.

Maybe ISIS and Ebola ran their course, and CNN is about to drop that interview with 2 witnesses saying it was an execution for an ass-whooping. They want to remind everyone that yes, the kid beat on the cop first.

I'm not upset about the shooting. I think any punk willing to bloody a cop needs a bullet. Cool. To me, it's the timing - you can't wait 15 seconds... let kid walk away, stop him, then shoot him while standing there. Cause 15 seconds can then be 15 hours or 15 days or 15 years. Can't let police execute like that, once heat of moment is over. Brown was running away. Cop could have used radio, it was a police state town, they were everywhere.

he reacted with primal instinct. Hurt the person that just fcked you up. But he was already facing decades in prison for that. He wasn't a threat anymore.

Anyway, the timing seems weird. We already knew and agreed the whooped the cops ass first then ran. Then the shooting happened. This seems like more is on the way?

Archer77 · « **Reply #437 on:** October 18, 2014, 10:25:06 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 10:08:59 AM

Also, IMO they're releasing this "blood found on cop car" info because something big is coming on other end.

Anyway, the timing seems weird. We already knew and agreed the whooped the cops ass first then ran. Then the shooting happened. This seems like more is on the way?

"according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed."

Who is more likely to withhold releasing this information, Holder and the Feds or the police department. As I told you before, Holder and his Brown Skins threw a hissy fit after the video of Brown robbing the liquor store was released. Shortly after the video the release of information slowed to a trickle. Besides, the grand jury deposition happened not long ago. The testimony from the witness and officers Browns testimony came out around the same time and relatively soon after the deposition.

What is most likely to have happened is that the flow of information was intentionally stopped by the Feds in order to further prevent inciting the fools. This was the reason for condemning the video release and the same reasoning used to limit the release of any new information. No conspiracy theory.

RRKore · « **Reply #438 on:** October 18, 2014, 10:35:11 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 09:14:09 AM

The struggle is something we all agree on. I think the issue is...

AFTER the struggle, when Brown had committed his felony and was already due prison time...
AFTER he ran 20 to 25 feet and was told "FREEZE" by the cop who finally got over his ass whooping...

AFTER all that, did the cop execute his ass at 20+ feet? If someone is 20 feet away, EMPTY hands, can a cop blast his ass for not obeying? NORMALLY, no... but in this case, the cop had a busted face and was pissed, hurt, not thinking straight.

it's becoming clear now.

The clip below is said to be part of the Ferguson Police Department's training materials about when to use your service weapon:

Another clip (not seen here) called "Stop resisting!" concerns the use of non-lethal force.

Archer77 · « **Reply #439 on:** October 18, 2014, 10:55:20 AM »

More from the New York Times

"The police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., two months ago has told investigators that he was pinned in his vehicle and in fear for his life as he struggled over his gun with Mr. Brown, according to government officials briefed on the federal civil rights investigation into the matter.

The officer, Darren Wilson, has told the authorities that during the scuffle, Mr. Brown reached for the gun. It was fired twice in the car, according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed.
The forensics tests showed Mr. Brown’s blood on the gun, as well as on the interior door panel and on Officer Wilson’s uniform. Officer Wilson told the authorities that Mr. Brown had punched and scratched him repeatedly, leaving swelling on his face and cuts on his neck.
This is the first public account of Officer Wilson’s testimony to investigators, but it does not explain why, after he emerged from his vehicle, he fired at Mr. Brown multiple times. It contradicts some witness accounts, and it will not calm those who have been demanding to know why an unarmed man was shot a total of six times.

Mr. Brown’s death continues to fuel anger and sometimes-violent protests.In September, Officer Wilson appeared for four hours before a St. Louis County grand jury, which was convened to determine whether there is probable cause that he committed a crime. Legal experts have said that his decision to testify was surprising, given that it was not required by law. But the struggle in the car may prove to be a more influential piece of information for the grand jury, one that speaks to Officer Wilson’s state of mind, his feeling of vulnerability and his sense of heightened alert when he killed Mr. Brown. Police officers typically have wide latitude to use lethal force if they reasonably believe that they are in imminent danger.

The officials said that while the federal investigation was continuing, the evidence so far did not support civil rights charges against Officer Wilson. To press charges, the Justice Department would need to clear a high bar, proving that Officer Wilson willfully violated Mr. Brown’s civil rights when he shot him.
The account of Officer Wilson’s version of events did not come from the Ferguson Police Department or from officials whose activities are being investigated as part of the civil rights inquiry."

FPD and the FBI are still officially silent and I believe t his lends credence to my opinion on the release of info.

240 is Back · « **Reply #440 on:** October 18, 2014, 11:29:30 AM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 10:25:06 AM

"according to forensics tests performed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The first bullet struck Mr. Brown in the arm; the second bullet missed."

Who is more likely to withhold releasing this information, Holder and the Feds or the police department. As I told you before, Holder and his Brown Skins threw a hissy fit after the video of Brown robbing the liquor store was released. Shortly after the video the release of information slowed to a trickle. Besides, the grand jury deposition happened not long ago. The testimony from the witness and officers Browns testimony came out around the same time and relatively soon after the deposition.

What is most likely to have happened is that the flow of information was intentionally stopped by the Feds in order to further prevent inciting the fools. This was the reason for condemning the video release and the same reasoning used to limit the release of any new information. No conspiracy theory.

Well, the Ferguson PD have been the ones fueling the conspiracy theory

They've been the ones issuing fake reports about fractured orbital bones, to a thirsty fox news lol.

I don't see any kind of conspiracy theory here. Cop took an ass whooping, period. Kid ran away. Cop regained his bearings, drew gun, said FREEZE or POLICE or whatever. Kid turned and faced cop.

NOW all of that is agreed upon. What is debated now, is, was Brown moving fwd, and how fast, when cop blasted him?

No real conspiracy theory. All of that is agreed upon. We know Brown was 20 to 25 feet away when shot. No gun in hand. Cop made a judgment call. Eventually, the cop will explain it, or he won't, who knows.

Archer77 · « **Reply #441 on:** October 18, 2014, 11:35:56 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 11:29:30 AM

Well, the Ferguson PD have been the ones fueling the conspiracy theory
They've been the ones issuing fake reports about fractured orbital bones, to a thirsty fox news lol.

I don't see any kind of conspiracy theory here. Cop took an ass whooping, period. Kid ran away. Cop regained his bearings, drew gun, said FREEZE or POLICE or whatever. Kid turned and faced cop.

NOW all of that is agreed upon. What is debated now, is, was Brown moving fwd, and how fast, when cop blasted him?

No real conspiracy theory. All of that is agreed upon. We know Brown was 20 to 25 feet away when shot. No gun in hand. Cop made a judgment call. Eventually, the cop will explain it, or he won't, who knows.

20-25 feet is nothing. Wilson already knew the Brown was capable of attacking him. Having a gun or not is totally irrelevant. Brown was willing to attack and therefore was still a threat. I think you uncomplicated the issue by letting your imagination run away from you.

240 is Back · « **Reply #442 on:** October 18, 2014, 11:40:15 AM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 11:35:56 AM

20-25 feet is nothing. Wilson already knew the Brown was capable of attacking him. Having a gun or not is totally irrelevant. Brown was willing to attack and therefore was still a threat. I think you uncomplicated the issue by letting your imagination run away from you.

Then just tell us that. Have the cop tell us he was scared and fired his gun at 25 feet. That's that.

Dragging this shit out with misinformation, leaked to FOX? not cool.

Archer77 · « **Reply #443 on:** October 18, 2014, 11:42:28 AM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 11:40:15 AM

Then just tell us that. Have the cop tell us he was scared and fired his gun at 25 feet. That's that.

Dragging this shit out with misinformation, leaked to FOX? not cool.

Releasing information through official channels was probably stopped by the feds.

240 is Back · « **Reply #444 on:** October 18, 2014, 12:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 11:42:28 AM

Releasing information through official channels was probably stopped by the feds.

but the shit they released wasn't even true!

There was no fractured orbital bone, but they released it anyway.

Archer77 · « **Reply #445 on:** October 18, 2014, 12:40:01 PM »

Quote from: 240 is Back on October 18, 2014, 12:36:14 PM

but the shit they released wasn't even true!

There was no fractured orbital bone, but they released it anyway.

Who did?

240 is Back · « **Reply #446 on:** October 18, 2014, 01:29:31 PM »

Quote from: Archer77 on October 18, 2014, 12:40:01 PM

Who did?

Ann coulter and FOX reported the story a great deal:
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/08/21/right-wing-media-caught-lie-darren-wilson-suffer-eye-fracture.html

The blogger, who calls himself “The Gateway Pundit,” based his report on two unnamed sources, including one “within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/cnn-source-unequivocally-disputes-report-that-ferguson-officer-suffered-broken-bone/

nnamed source has “unequivocally” knocked down the anonymous report that Officer Darren Wilson suffered broken bones near his eye socket before shooting unarmed teenager Michael Brown.

The deadly shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, provoked international outrage as police in military gear confronted protesters demanding answers from authorities in ongoing – and frequently violent – demonstrations.

Little information about the investigation has been officially released, although at least a dozen sources close to the officer or authorities have refuted witness statements about the incident.

Conservative blogger Jim Hoft – known in some quarters as “the dumbest man on the Internet” – reported Tuesday that the officer suffered an “orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket.”

The blogger, who calls himself “The Gateway Pundit,” based his report on two unnamed sources, including one “within the Prosecuting Attorney’s office and confirmed by the St. Louis County Police.”

Hoft’s claims have been widely reported, despite his dubious reputation.

But CNN’s Don Lemon reported Thursday afternoon that he had spoken to another “source close to the investigation” who strongly denied the blogger’s claims.

“The officer, Darren Wilson, did go the hospital after the altercation and the shooting death of Michael Brown,” Lemon reported, based on the source’s claims. “He did have X-rays done, he had a swollen face, but the X-rays for a broken or a torn eye socket came back negative.”

“That source says it is not true at all, he did not have a torn eye socket,” Lemon continued, “and so, he’s saying that unequivocally — he unequivocally denies that, saying that it did not happen, but he did have a swollen face, he did go for X-rays.”

The CNN reporter said there was obviously “some sort of scuffle” that caused facial injuries to the officer, but Wilson did not suffer any tears, ruptures, or fractures to his orbital socket.

Dos Equis · « **Reply #447 on:** October 20, 2014, 02:02:10 PM »

Quote from: polychronopolous on October 18, 2014, 09:32:03 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill

Thank you for posting this. I was surprised to learn this from my cop friends years ago.

"Sergeant Dennis Tueller, of the Salt Lake City, Utah Police Department wondered how quickly an attacker with a knife could cover 21 feet (6.4 m), so he timed volunteers as they raced to stab the target. He determined that it could be done in 1.5 seconds."

Dos Equis · « **Reply #448 on:** October 20, 2014, 02:02:53 PM »

Quote from: George Whorewell on October 17, 2014, 06:45:54 PM

He was doing calisthenics at the time of the shooting.

Probably too tired to raise his arms over his head anyway after robbing a convenience store and pummeling a cop.

Archer77 · « **Reply #449 on:** October 20, 2014, 02:58:13 PM »

Quote from: Dos Equis on October 20, 2014, 02:02:53 PM

Probably too tired to raise his arms over his head anyway after robbing a convenience store and pummeling a cop.

Just think, all that destruction and stealing for nothing. Just a bunch of thieves looking for an excuse to steal. Now they are resorting to attacking people at sporting events. What a sad bunch.