The Mature thread

[DroppingPlates]

THATS AMORE...

It is, but I love a tight waist as well, quite a dilemma

[njflex]

It is, but I love a tight waist as well, quite a dilemma

ME TOO BRO,,THATS WHY ITS ONLY ONCE IN A WHILE,,LUCKY I HAVE A GOOD METABOLISM STILL

[oldtimer1]

Have any of you guys seen a guy who lifts with light weights who has a good build? I use to work with a guy who was a 6 foot tall natural who looked fantastic. Got compliments on is build everywhere he went. When ever I would see him train he always had something like 155 on the bar for benches. Seated cable rows with moderate weight. He said once the weight I use seems light until you train with me. I did notice he goes from set to set like a machine with very little rest. He said he use to train heavy but got better results training like this.

I know a guy who trained in the same gym as Chris Dickerson who said he trained the same way. He would do 6 sets of 10-12 reps but moved like a machine. On a good day he would use around 115 for press behind the neck. Seated rows with 160lbs. Never squatted over 225lbs. I suspect the same method of training. Making a light weight heavy by good form and very short rests between sets.

Any thoughts about this?

[DroppingPlates]

Have any of you guys seen a guy who lifts with light weights who has a good build? I use to work with a guy who was a 6 foot tall natural who looked fantastic. Got compliments on is build everywhere he went. When ever I would see him train he always had something like 155 on the bar for benches. Seated cable rows with moderate weight. He said once the weight I use seems light until you train with me. I did notice he goes from set to set like a machine with very little rest. He said he use to train heavy but got better results training like this.

I know a guy who trained in the same gym as Chris Dickerson who said he trained the same way. He would do 6 sets of 10-12 reps but moved like a machine. On a good day he would use around 115 for press behind the neck. Seated rows with 160lbs. Never squatted over 225lbs. I suspect the same method of training. Making a light weight heavy by good form and very short rests between sets.

Any thoughts about this?

I'm not saying that I look fantastic (that's up to others, not me), but this is how my current regimen looks like. It's my goal to perform 35-40 sets within an hour. I make 10-15 deep breaths between sets and keep the number of exercises limited. I also stick to the same weight, so it becomes only a battle during the last 1-2 sets. By training this way, I feel less need for cardio work.

[oldtimer1]

I'm not saying that I look fantastic (that's up to others, not me), but this is how my current regimen looks like. It's my goal to perform 35-40 sets within an hour. I make 10-15 deep breaths between sets and keep the number of exercises limited. I also stick to the same weight, so it becomes only a battle during the last 1-2 sets. By training this way, I feel less need for cardio work.

I just got a book by Steve Davis that says you should use about 45 sets an hour. So it's really interesting that your goal is very close at 40 sets. When I really think about East coast bodybuilding and West coast back in the 70's and 80's there were two different methods in general. East coast was about the weight and taking a lot of time in between sets. West coast it was about moderate weights and short rests between sets. You might be onto something about the fat burning of your type training. I have heard from many they get cut up when they stop max weights and all the loitering between sets to recover.

I have been too influenced by Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer. I have always trained slow and heavy. Always trying to get to exhaustion in one or two sets. Every time I try training with fast volume it just doesn't feel right but I never truly give it it's due. I think it's time I dived in and used this method for awhile.

[njflex]

i train 4 days and if time i do touch up all body pump workout'upper body'legs 1x is plenty for me plus my leg workouts are greuling..

mon.. chest/tri abs ..i train around 1:15 to 1:30 ,rest maybe 30 to 45  sec between sets with traing partner if alone less,i pyramid sets slightly little increments of added weight 'back/legs i can add much more on sets pyramid wise.i generally do 14-17 chest 5 exercises,tris 11-12 3 exercises

tues off

wed back/bi/abs,,back volume /heavy weights 'relative'moved,5 movements 15-17 sets inc hypers 18 then,bi's  3-4 exercises 9-11

thurs delt/calve/forarms   4-5 delt movements reps/reps/reps on delts 'pump them alot moderate weight,traps heavish but reps still no less than 10

fri off or pump day

sat legs usually if not sun legs and sat pump day if needed or able to do,,

leg day sometimes heavy or supersetted or giant sets lots of reps,,on avg 13 sets quads 6-7 hams and calves that day

i do 'zero'cardio...i have 3 small kids and work 10 hrs days lunch at my desk'strange set up i know'company frowns upon a lunch hr 'in car industry.so 4 full day hard training works good for me.

my diet simple and i enjoy food and not'only standard bbing foods'but still keep in check/portions /quality of protein/fats ,,i play with carbs good and bad depending on wanted condition/look..usually now i stay ripped 'no real offseason'if u don't compete there is no off season..

hope you read or just ignore no hard feelings

[The Scott]

Sore. 

I have to give up some blood tomorrow for tests.  Several tubes if its like it usually is. Yippee.  As always, very inspirational posts here lads and I do appreciate them!  When I train light I do the old giant sets stuff and knock out about 50 or so sets in an hour.

Of course all my training is ridiculously light now.  Dammit.    Keep up the good work!

[Primemuscle]

You all are an inspiration. It is great to read how each of you organize your workouts. I've discovered there are mostly just small differences in our routines.

I have not bothered to count the total number of sets I do on any given day. My routine lasts about as long in total as most of yours does. Like was mentioned, if you keep a good pace going, you don't need added cardiovascular work.

I am in Uettingen visiting my son and his family. Twenty six years ago, when I first visited I weighed the same as I do now....190 lbs. I am a little bit shorter now. My diet must be on target. Germans eat meat and cheese for breakfast. Guess they like to kick start protein intake.

[DroppingPlates]

I just got a book by Steve Davis that says you should use about 45 sets an hour. So it's really interesting that your goal is very close at 40 sets. When I really think about East coast bodybuilding and West coast back in the 70's and 80's there were two different methods in general. East coast was about the weight and taking a lot of time in between sets. West coast it was about moderate weights and short rests between sets. You might be onto something about the fat burning of your type training. I have heard from many they get cut up when they stop max weights and all the loitering between sets to recover.

I have been too influenced by Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer. I have always trained slow and heavy. Always trying to get to exhaustion in one or two sets. Every time I try training with fast volume it just doesn't feel right but I never truly give it it's due. I think it's time I dived in and used this method for awhile.

Interesting historical background, I didn't knew that. 45 sets is an ambitious goal, esp when you include a decent warm up (and when buddies greet you all the time or ask for a spot )
It was my trainer, a formal champ with 40+ years of experience, who brought me on this high volume/short rest path.

I've been influenced by heavy duty as well and I believe that going to failure can bring you a step further, BUT... it's also pretty taxing on your joints & CNS, so I believe that you need to apply some kind of periodisation.

[Donny]

Sore. 

I have to give up some blood tomorrow for tests.  Several tubes if its like it usually is. Yippee.  As always, very inspirational posts here lads and I do appreciate them!  When I train light I do the old giant sets stuff and knock out about 50 or so sets in an hour.

Of course all my training is ridiculously light now.  Dammit.    Keep up the good work!

the Scott you are a wellcome Poster on here...Hope all goes well 

[Donny]

Oldtimer mentioned Steve Davis. Did some great interviews on Rics Corner

[njflex]

Oldtimer mentioned Steve Davis. Did some great interviews on Rics Corner

he had a cool build when he learned to diet/train right..

[Donny]

yes he built a very nice physique, the metamorphis was astounding when you compare the pictures from his early Days to later on. Comes over as a very cool Dude..

[njflex]

yes he built a very nice physique, the metamorphis was astounding when you compare the pictures from his early Days to later on. Comes over as a very cool Dude..

I LIKE HIS SHAPE/LOOK..THATS WHAT I TRY TO DO ,STAY LEAN AND ADD LITTLE CHANGES IF POSSIBLE TO GET LOOK OR MAINTAIN.

[Donny]

I LIKE HIS SHAPE/LOOK..THATS WHAT I TRY TO DO ,STAY LEAN AND ADD LITTLE CHANGES IF POSSIBLE TO GET LOOK OR MAINTAIN.

staying lean all year round is the way to go.

[oldtimer1]

i train 4 days and if time i do touch up all body pump workout'upper body'legs 1x is plenty for me plus my leg workouts are greuling..

mon.. chest/tri abs ..i train around 1:15 to 1:30 ,rest maybe 30 to 45  sec between sets with traing partner if alone less,i pyramid sets slightly little increments of added weight 'back/legs i can add much more on sets pyramid wise.i generally do 14-17 chest 5 exercises,tris 11-12 3 exercises

tues off

wed back/bi/abs,,back volume /heavy weights 'relative'moved,5 movements 15-17 sets inc hypers 18 then,bi's  3-4 exercises 9-11

thurs delt/calve/forarms   4-5 delt movements reps/reps/reps on delts 'pump them alot moderate weight,traps heavish but reps still no less than 10

fri off or pump day

sat legs usually if not sun legs and sat pump day if needed or able to do,,

leg day sometimes heavy or supersetted or giant sets lots of reps,,on avg 13 sets quads 6-7 hams and calves that day

i do 'zero'cardio...i have 3 small kids and work 10 hrs days lunch at my desk'strange set up i know'company frowns upon a lunch hr 'in car industry.so 4 full day hard training works good for me.

my diet simple and i enjoy food and not'only standard bbing foods'but still keep in check/portions /quality of protein/fats ,,i play with carbs good and bad depending on wanted condition/look..usually now i stay ripped 'no real offseason'if u don't compete there is no off season..

hope you read or just ignore no hard feelings

I read it. I love to hear what guys who actually train have to say.

[njflex]

I read it. I love to hear what guys who actually train have to say.

thank u fellow jerseyian...going to ac next weekend 2 days at tropicana 'casino rate'my mom and husband gamble pretty heavy and stay there free,at least i got good rate from them.

[njflex]

back nice hard/heavy workout

chins wide/inner/wide/inner sets 12
bent over rows ..135/185/225/225 12/10/10/10
low cable rows 180/195/210 ..10/10/9
hammer reverse pulldown machine 2 45's per side x2 and added extra 10 for 3rd..10/10/10 with hard spot
tbar row underhanded grip wide chest to pad ,,2 45's x3 10 or spot to failure force to the 10th rep

hypers x3x12 45 lb plate used

bi's
seated bicep scott curl stack type 110/130/140
standing db curls 35/40/40 sets 10
nice finisher premade bar'curl'bar 80/70/60 drops 8x8x8 did this 2x was pumped

abs 5 sets crunch machine lying set 25-30

[Donny]

 shoulders later today.

DB press (Hammer Grip) 4 sets
DB side raises 4 sets
lying across Body rear delt DB raises 4 sets
BB Close grip upright rows 4 sets

Reverse crunches superset with crunches on floor mat 3 sets to failure of each.

cardio will be running out on the streets.

[DroppingPlates]

My push day,

Front squat 8x10
Adductor machine 4x10

Decline DB press 6x10
Inline DB press with bands between a cable cross-over 6x10

Standing single DB press 4x10
Standing single DB front raise 4x10

Decline single DB extentions with bands 8x10

It took me a little over 60 minutes to perform those 40 sets, since a guy asked me to join with the squats (we only have one rack).

[oldtimer1]

thank u fellow jerseyian...going to ac next weekend 2 days at tropicana 'casino rate'my mom and husband gamble pretty heavy and stay there free,at least i got good rate from them.

Doesn't your mom have to be there to check in? She can book it but she has to be there to get the keys. I know this through my older sister who gets comp rooms for her kids.

Check out the club Boogie Nights in the Trop if you and your wife like to dance to 70's dance music. Cuba Libre has a fantastic sampler. It has chicken, beef, shrimp, chorizo and onion rings with various sauces to dip your meat in. The mojitos are lacking in my opinion in that they are the typical corn syrup crap mixtures. A real Cuban mojito is a fantastic and a simple drink to make. Carmine's is a copy of the real Carmine's in Manhattan. They even copied the wood floors with fake plastic boards. They charge more in Atlantic city than they do in Manhattan I believe. When I was in Manhattan they never asked if I wanted pasta with what is obviously a pasta dish then charge me $9 bucks extra. It's still a good place to eat.

I go to AC once a month but usually on a week day. If you don't get a comp deal on the weekends the rooms are over $400 bucks. Weekdays I can often get the same room for $65 bucks. It's crowded weekdays but not super packed like on week ends. I will be heading out to South Carolina Myrtle Beach on Saturday.
 
One word of caution. Once the sun goes down stay off the boardwalk. The thugs  are often armed and look for tourists to mug.

[Donny]

Today i had to do a Home Gym workout..

supersets
Parallel bar dips (5 sets) with
Close grip chins

incline BB tri extensions (5 sets) with
incline DB curls

might not look like much but it was intense.

[wild willie]

atta boy Donny!!!


simple and to the point!!!

[oldtimer1]

I did this yesterday. I did two circuits of these exercises. Little to no rest between. Had me breathing like a race horse.

Max reps for all
1. pull ups
2. push ups
3. body weight rows. (grab a bar in a waist high rack facing the ceiling with feet on bench. Dead hang and pull chest to bar.) Fantastic movement.
4. Lunge jumps for height alternating legs 1 x 8 for each leg. ( for power and explosiveness. These had me breathing like a race horse)
5. Military clean and press 1 x 6.

Then I went for a 3 mile run in the heat. I ran a good time but was limited by doing the lunge jumps prior.

Body weight stuff gets put down by bodybuilders but truth be told you can take the biggest steroid pro and reduce him to an exhausted mess by just doing stuff like push ups and burpees.

[The Scott]

Feeling sore but good.  Ten sets of 20 on down to 5 reps with the same weight on dumbbell laterals, machine shoulder presses and finally machine rear delts.   Followed this with 5 sets of barbell curls with the same modus operandi as shoulder work and then 5 sets of dumbbell curls same method.

Followed by in the same vein with tricep pushdowns and machine close grip benches.  Five sets each way cable wrist curls and then a few sets of machine sit ups with weight.    I should be sore tomorrow and worse on Sunday.

Following Steve Davis' journey albeit a few decades later than him, I am still dieting down.  Body fat was given as 19.1% versus 24%.  Taken with one of those electronic devices so accuracy is whatever it is.  Regardless I'm using it as my benchmark.  I am fluffy but less so than before.  I am also weak but I have no doubt I will never be what I would consider strong again.  I am okay with that.

Maybe.   

I need to stop the perma-bulking look, especially at my age.  I have been as large as 250 lbs when I was young but no more.  I want less because I think it will be "more" in a good way.  More healthy.  More like what it means to be a real physical culturist.  More attractive to the general population.  Just more without being more fluffy!   I feel like Rodney Dangerfield...No respect!      I want the Steve Reeves look but am more a cross between him and Draper.  Knowing this will help me remain realistic while focusing on leaning out.  I expect this to take a year or more and hopefully I will not waiver.