A carb is a carb, Cephissus destroys glycemic index myth

[cephissus]

and it comes as no surprise to me that you own a glucometer.

and

glucose area under curve for 2hr window:

potatoes: 148
mars bar: 98





you're wrong

[cephissus]

Macros in their pure form can not sustain life. All this talk about a carb is a carb it pointless and everyone is missing the point.

what point is that?

that you don't know what the word "nutrient" means?

nu·tri·ent
ˈn(y)o͞otrēənt/
noun
noun: nutrient; plural noun: nutrients

    a substance that provides nourishment essential for growth and the maintenance of life.

[Simple Simon]

Macros in their pure form can not sustain life. All this talk about a carb is a carb it pointless and everyone is missing the point.

Protein in its purest form contains amino acids, without amino acids its not a protein.
Protein consists of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen.
The addition of nitrogen gives protein its unique distinction from carbohydrate and fat, along with establishing the signature name, amino acid.
So, protein has nutritional value.

I know what you are getting at but you shouldn't make sweeping statements.

[OB1]

All this talk about a carb is a carb it pointless and everyone is missing the point.

Of course we miss the point when it's pointless...

But I agree.
It's the same bullshit like "a calorie is a calorie".
Nevertheless it's fun to discuss anyway.

[Disgusted]

Protein in its purest form contains amino acids, without amino acids its not a protein.
Protein consists of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, and nitrogen.
The addition of nitrogen gives protein its unique distinction from carbohydrate and fat, along with establishing the signature name, amino acid.
So, protein has nutritional value.

I know what you are getting at but you shouldn't make sweeping statements.

So you think all one have to do is take a vitamin with their aminos and olive oil ? By all means try it. When someone says a carb is a carb (which are not essential ) they are right. A carb in and of itself can't be anything but a carb. Now the difference is what foods are you eating to get your carbs. Lots of plant foods contain an abundance of nutrients that we so vitally need. So it's not the carb but the source of where the carb is coming that sustains us. It all breaks down into glucose. Fiber glycemic index amount of sugars insulin response is what ages us prematurely and ruins our health. I'd rather have they vital nutrients in the plant food than the carbs but it's not possible since we are still identifying mico nutrients that we need to live a healthy life.

[cephissus]

So you think all one have to do is take a vitamin with their aminos and olive oil ? By all means try it.

have you tried it?  if not, why are you so quick to think it won't work?

When someone says a carb is a carb (which are not essential ) they are right. A carb in and of itself can't be anything but a carb. Now the difference is what foods are you eating to get your carbs. Lots of plant foods contain an abundance of nutrients that we so vitally need. So it's not the carb but the source of where the carb is coming that sustains us.

Such as?

It all breaks down into glucose. Fiber glycemic index amount of sugars insulin response is what ages us prematurely and ruins our health.

Interesting how beef, eggs, and cheese illicit similar total insulin response to pasta, rice, and french fries.  Guess we're all gonna be fucked by insulin.

I'd rather have they vital nutrients in the plant food than the carbs but it's not possible since we are still identifying mico nutrients that we need to live a healthy life.

How do you know the vitality of these "nutrients" when they haven't even been "identified"?

[ritch]

Cephius should be an advisor to the pro's he seems to know so much about how REAL LIFE top bodies eat.
 

[cephissus]

Cephius should be an advisor to the pro's he seems to know so much about how REAL LIFE top bodies eat.
 

how could anyone not?  they post virtually everything they do on youtube, instagram, etc.

i'm just questioning what people believe.

[Mike]

Second, any "knowledge" you may have acquired from outside sources is basically worthless in itself.

Why?
If something has not been experienced by yourself it will be blind belief only...
It will not be reliable.

Therefore...
if you really want to know there is no other option than trying it out yourself.

I can no longer take you serious.

So unless YOU are personally administering double-blind studies, interpreting data and publishing the results then It cant be true?

What about dinosaurs?  You believe them sciency-folks bout them?

[drkaje]

So much science my brain hurts!

[TTfit]

i eat a candy bar and a potato and check my glucometer and the reading is the same

Who cares? That has nothing to do with nothing. A reading is a reading maybe but a carb is NOT a carb in the sense we are talking here.

[El Diablo Blanco]

Cows eat grass that is fibrous and they are fat.

[Never1AShow]

and

glucose area under curve for 2hr window:

potatoes: 148
mars bar: 98





you're wrong

I don't get this chart.  It has 6 different values for white bread.  Everyone is different.  Does it say that everything people say about blood glucose and glycemic index is basically wrong?  Seems like other than white bread and jelly beans there isn't all that much difference.  Some of the margins of error plus minus seem ridiculously high.

[Never1AShow]

Also potato chips are the same as apples and doughnuts ?

[cephissus]

I don't get this chart.  It has 6 different values for white bread.  Everyone is different.  Does it say that everything people say about blood glucose and glycemic index is basically wrong?  Seems like other than white bread and jelly beans there isn't all that much difference.  Some of the margins of error plus minus seem ridiculously high.

pretty much.  i'm guessing they administered a separate trial for each food group, including white bread in each to serve as a reference point.  been a while since i read the abstract.

[Simple Simon]

So you think all one have to do is take a vitamin with their aminos and olive oil ? By all means try it. When someone says a carb is a carb (which are not essential ) they are right. A carb in and of itself can't be anything but a carb. Now the difference is what foods are you eating to get your carbs. Lots of plant foods contain an abundance of nutrients that we so vitally need. So it's not the carb but the source of where the carb is coming that sustains us. It all breaks down into glucose. Fiber glycemic index amount of sugars insulin response is what ages us prematurely and ruins our health. I'd rather have they vital nutrients in the plant food than the carbs but it's not possible since we are still identifying mico nutrients that we need to live a healthy life.

Stop fucking waffling and trying to divert from what you said, you claimed carbs fats and proteins contained no nutritional value, I have explained how proteins contain amino acids and as such have nutritional value.
I couldnt give a fuck about carbs, that wasnt the crux of my argument
Now, do you still think protein contains no nutritional value as you stated earlier?
Stop making a fool of yourself.

[OB1]

I can no longer take you serious.

Ok.

[drkaje]

I don't get this chart.  It has 6 different values for white bread.  Everyone is different.  Does it say that everything people say about blood glucose and glycemic index is basically wrong?  Seems like other than white bread and jelly beans there isn't all that much difference.  Some of the margins of error plus minus seem ridiculously high.

The 6 values represent different calculations.

[Never1AShow]

pretty much.  i'm guessing they administered a separate trial for each food group, including white bread in each to serve as a reference point.  been a while since i read the abstract.

This chart seems to show that most foods are within a fairly close range in what they do to your blood glucose and insulin levels.  I'd guess that if you add to this what also happens when these foods are costumed and digested along with other foods like how normal humans eat, even much of that variation goes away.

I think this seems to prove a carb is a carb right?

[Thin Lizzy]

This chart seems to show that most foods are within a fairly close range in what they do to your blood glucose and insulin levels.  I'd guess that if you add to this what also happens when these foods are costumed and digested along with other foods like how normal humans eat, even much of that variation goes away.

I think this seems to prove a carb is a carb right?

From my understanding, the research is moving away from the Glycemic Index and towards Glycemic Load.

So we're back to, "If you don't want to get fat, don't eat too much."

Who could've guessed?

[SF1900]

I have a perfect analogy to demonstrate that a carb is just a carb.

When you exercise, and use cables or machines, your body doesn't realize its using a cable or machine. Tension is tension, whether you use cable/machine or free weight. Your body is not going to "say" to itself, "Oh, I am not going to grow because tension is coming from a cable, and not a barbell."

Similarly, your body is not going to differentiate from where the carb or fat is coming from. Your body is not going to secretly make you get fatter because the carb or fat came from a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

[OB1]

I have a perfect analogy to demonstrate that a carb is just a carb.

When you exercise, and use cables or machines, your body doesn't realize its using a cable or machine. Tension is tension, whether you use cable/machine or free weight. Your body is not going to "say" to itself, "Oh, I am not going to grow because tension is coming from a cable, and not a barbell."

Similarly, your body is not going to differentiate from where the carb or fat is coming from. Your body is not going to secretly make you get fatter because the carb or fat came from a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

Still there are different types of carbs.

[ritch]

I have a perfect analogy to demonstrate that a carb is just a carb.

When you exercise, and use cables or machines, your body doesn't realize its using a cable or machine. Tension is tension, whether you use cable/machine or free weight. Your body is not going to "say" to itself, "Oh, I am not going to grow because tension is coming from a cable, and not a barbell."

Similarly, your body is not going to differentiate from where the carb or fat is coming from. Your body is not going to secretly make you get fatter because the carb or fat came from a piece of cake, and not a chicken breast.

If one agree's with that, then ok.

[SF1900]

Still there are different types of carbs.

How does a carb magically transform when its inside a piece of cake, as opposed to a piece of chicken? 

[SF1900]

If one agree's with that, then ok.

Do you have any evidence that the body responds differently to free weights when compared to machines/cables?