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« Reply #2575 on: June 27, 2025, 10:42:29 AM »
Fridays workout on 6-27-2025:  Delt and triceps. Warmups as needed or no warm up. For me a warm up is never a taxing set.

Military clean and press 1 x 7
Dumbbell delt lateral 1 x 20
Dumbbell rear delt lateral 1 x 14
Face pulls 1 x 20
Barbell shrugs 1 x 11

Triceps push down with a straight bar 1x 12
Single dumbbell with two hands tricep extension while seated 1x11   (I lean back on a turned around Scott curl attachment)
Palms up grabbing a D shaped handle for tricep extensions 1x13
Weighted dips 1 x 10 (tried to go deep)

Weighted crunches on the floor 1 x 60
Pulley crunches  1x70
Knee in seated on a bench 1x40

Pullover with a dumbbell 1 x 12 ( use this not as a development exercise but one for stretching.)


After I went for a five mile fast walk. Slowed for the first quarter mile by seeing an acquaintance who took it upon himself to walk with me and yack.  Finally told him I like to walk by myself and went back to my fast walking pace. Never understood how anyone casually strolls instead of pushing the pace  while walking.  Walking really fast is a gentle exercise as it is. Don't waste your time walking like a chubby soccer mom. I will be getting back to running when my foot heals. It will stand up somewhat for fast walking but running is out for a little while longer.

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Re: Oldtimer1
« Reply #2576 on: June 27, 2025, 09:05:40 PM »
Fridays workout on 6-27-2025:  Delt and triceps. Warmups as needed or no warm up. For me a warm up is never a taxing set.

Military clean and press 1 x 7
Dumbbell delt lateral 1 x 20
Dumbbell rear delt lateral 1 x 14
Face pulls 1 x 20
Barbell shrugs 1 x 11

Triceps push down with a straight bar 1x 12
Single dumbbell with two hands tricep extension while seated 1x11   (I lean back on a turned around Scott curl attachment)
Palms up grabbing a D shaped handle for tricep extensions 1x13
Weighted dips 1 x 10 (tried to go deep)

Weighted crunches on the floor 1 x 60
Pulley crunches  1x70
Knee in seated on a bench 1x40

Pullover with a dumbbell 1 x 12 ( use this not as a development exercise but one for stretching.)


After I went for a five mile fast walk. Slowed for the first quarter mile by seeing an acquaintance who took it upon himself to walk with me and yack.  Finally told him I like to walk by myself and went back to my fast walking pace. Never understood how anyone casually strolls instead of pushing the pace while while walking.  Walking really fast is a gentle exercise as it is. Don't waste your time walking like a chubby soccer mom. I will be getting back to running when my foot heals. It will stand up somewhat for fast walking but running is out for a little while longer.

Do you suspect this acquaintance may have wanted to undo your slacks?

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« Reply #2577 on: June 28, 2025, 05:57:15 AM »
Do you suspect this acquaintance may have wanted to undo your slacks?

I told my wife the same thing.  I don't wear slacks though. I wear trousers. He did look light in the loafers, I mean shoes.  When I told him I wanted to walk by myself he threw up his hands, giving me the what the fuck look. 

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« Reply #2578 on: June 29, 2025, 07:21:30 PM »
6-29-2025 Sunday:

I was walking fast for cardio since I injured my foot instead of running. Now walking is hurting it.  I took out my bike which I haven't used in years and pumped up the tires. Turns out pedaling the bike caused zero problems for my injured foot.

I remember decades back I was on a biking kick. Even road in the Iowa Ragbrai that was 500 miles in five days. That tour was about 90 degrees for the whole week and I road with some savages that keep pushing the pace everyday.  We slept in tents at night that felt like 120 degrees.  I grew a strong distaste for ever being in a tent again. I will be in a nice hotel and I will never try camping again.  One night there was a thunder storm the likes of which I have never seen. Even though we were in the highest ground we could find I slept in about 4" of water. Completely miserable. I road it with my brother who at the time was a biking maniac. Now my brother is 79 years old and is on a 5K running race kick. He tells me places really well in his age group to which I asked him, "What are there, two people in your age group in the race?"

I also use to mountain bike the isolated woods near my house. Even when snowing. One time I found a car that probably dated back to the 1920's in the woods. It was surrounded by trees. Plenty of bullet holes in it. I assume from hunters fucking around. I pictured they were riding a horse trail and the car either got stuck or broke down. They probably had no way to get it out back then and they abandoned it.

Anyway the bike ride was a fun way to get some cardio in. I didn't ride far at all and I estimate it at around 8 miles but I tried to push the pace.

Tomorrow is Chest and biceps.  I will test my foot on a soft treadmill after. If it turns out I can't run or walk on the treadmill I will bike again.

I sold my racing type road bikes a long time ago. The bike I used is  a nice hybrid Cannondale that is perfect for the gravel trail by my house.  It was a lot of fun to be back on a bike again and the best part it didn't irritate my injured foot.

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« Reply #2579 on: June 29, 2025, 09:26:33 PM »
I told my wife the same thing.  I don't wear slacks though. I wear trousers. He did look light in the loafers, I mean shoes.  When I told him I wanted to walk by myself he threw up his hands, giving me the what the fuck look.

Good to know. I prefer a nice pair of slacks myself.

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« Reply #2580 on: July 02, 2025, 06:57:31 PM »
Losing interest in keeping up this training log. Like yesterday I went out on my bike on a beautiful sunny day and when I was in the middle of nowhere on an isolated trail miles from my house the sky got dark and a thunder storm happened. Here I was riding on a dirt trail getting covered in mud cause my bike has no fenders. I came back and my wife was shocked by the mud on my clothes, lol.

I've been thinking about my training and aging. Yes, there are  a few guys over 65 still doing the big deads and squats but they tend  to be one trick ponies with their fat Buddha bellies that doesn't exactly scream they are fit. Also as you age we are all throwing the dice of injury hoping it doesn't happen. I was never a big bencher but I always tested my bench at the end of my bench sets with that single. I know it's nothing to brag about but I always was good for 285-300 at around a 180lbs body weight into my late 40's. I've had a messed up shoulder for a long time so every six months or so I get on a bench press kick and it always goes the same way. I start picking up strength but I feel a tweak coming on and at my age I'm experienced enough to shut it down quick before the big injury comes.  Weight rooms are filled with guys with damaged joints.

Led me to think of my changing goals. I surely don't want to be big. I look at boxers, wrestlers and MMA guys my height and they are usually around 155lbs or less.  Now I weigh about 164lbs down from my top weight at over 190lbs. Being lean always is a better look than the permabulker that looks great as long as he keeps his shirt on. At my age, health has to be a priority as a choice when exercising and eating. In my 20's, 30's, 40's and 50's and my early 60's  I ate what ever I wanted and as much as I wanted. Now I monitor my eating carefully as I log everything. It has made a huge difference. I mainly drink water with the occasional fat free milk. When I indulge in adult beverages twice a week I choose low calorie and low carb options.

I don't use any hormones or so called TRT. I get compliments for being in shape but no one would at my age would confuse me with being a bodybuilder. What does all of the above has to do with training for the aging guy?  It's just that unless you are some kind of elite trainer with zero problems in your mid 60's and beyond you have to make smart decisions.

Some of the things I adhere to is if it hurts discard it and don't look back. Too many hold on to an exercise like the bench press knowing it's wrecking something like their elbow to pec/delt tie in. If the bar hurts there are so many ways to skin a cat like using dumbbells instead. Sometimes my shoulders give me problems even with the flat dumbbells bench so I move to the decline. When I use the decline I have zero issues. I'm even using the decline fly movement. It's so much healthier for bad shoulders. Your mileage may vary. Just trying to say if a movement hurts get rid of it and substitute.  Never think you have to do a certain exercise. If the bench press hurts try dumbbell benches. If dumbbell bench press hurts try using dumbbells on a decline. If that doesn't feel right use a bench machine. If that doesn't work use pushups. The message is to apply it to every body part. All exercises will benefit you. Never be in a marriage to an exercise if that exercise treats you like a scum bag. Divorce it and move on.

Sometimes doing something like using controlled high reps is the answer for some aging athletes. Just saw a clip with Arnold saying the same. Nothing wrong with doing an exercise for 12-15-20 or more reps. Don't measure your body by that red hot one rep max as you move into your senior years. If you hit failure at 21 reps and progress to 23 reps you are making improvements that your body will respond to. Your muscle has no brain.  It only knows it has to adapt for survival from a stressor. Go to youtube and look at all the body weight trainers. So many are build like a Greek god and they are using plenty of high rep bodyweight exercises.  Some might say look at 100 meter sprinter build compared to a distance runner. Yes, a valid point but even an elite 100 meter sprinter is doing around 22 strides per leg during a 100 meter sprint. Not exactly the one rep max that seems to be the measure of accomplishment in the lifting world.

I will get off my soap box soon. I've been thinking it might be for me at least a good idea to train really hard for fitness at this stage of the game. The hard core training to failure for low sets is not a plan for longevity.  How strong can anyone get? If we started curling with just the bar at 18 years of age does that mean through progression we will be curling 500lbs at age 30? I know a ridiculous sentence but I'm trying to make a point on training. A more sustainable goal is trying to increase muscular endurance. How quick can you do say 5 sets of 12 with an exercise with X amount of weight. How much time did it take? How long did the entire workout take? If you didn't change the weight used, exercises, reps and sets but finished a workout 5 minutes quicker you increased the intensity.

Around 1975  a rising amateur  broke on the scene and what was amazing that separated him from the crowd was his blinding definition. His name was Joe Means. I think it was the 1975 AAU Mr. America contest where he beat out the mass monsters for the the most muscular award. I believe he also beat out another up and coming bodybuilder named Tom Platz for best legs if my memory serves me. As a teenager I was fascinated with him because he wasn't a mass monster competing at 5'9" and 174-180lbs.  I could relate to that. From what I learned is while he was very strong he didn't use big weights back then. He use to superset, tri set and giant set everything. He would pick something like four exercises for chest and run them one after another. That was one cycle. I bet every cycle he got less reps or had to lighten the weight used. Funny but as an adult I have had a couple of conversations with him. He has competed in bodybuilding, power lifting and sprint triathlons. He is in his 70's and he still hits the weight room. 

His training got me thinking about changing up how I do things in the weight room. So many ways to train and it's all good. Clarence Bass uses a phrase he took from someone whose name I forgot. It's the ownership principle. Meaning you have to train in a way that's best for your body, mind and spirit. So many and varying approaches. It's all good. A phrase I keep hearing again and again from lifters who also run is hybrid training. It's what I try to do lately. I will comment more on this as I experiment my workout for my own ownership principle.

More to follow.

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« Reply #2581 on: July 03, 2025, 10:22:22 AM »
Did some experimenting with giant sets. I started with chest. I did the giant set in this order. Dips, Decline DB press, Decline flies and push ups. I wanted to do four cycles. Nope, ran out of steam fast and the weights used was so light. Never trained in this style and I don't think I ever will again. Is it a lack of endurance?  Could be but I faded incredibly fast and I was breathing like a race horse. I can see how this can get a guy in shape at warp speed but it's not for the faint of heart.  The weight used have to be light. You're essentially doing 40 reps if you use 10 reps per exercise in a giant set.  After the first series I was shot.

Going to regroup and try some more experimenting at a later date. After I canned this workout I ran for 2. 25 miles.  I was going at a good clip. Finished the run with 4 x 115 yard sprints. Yes, an odd distance but it's what I measured out in a park with my measuring wheel between easily seen markers. My injured foot held up after wrapping it with some padding.

Summer is here and I'm not where I want to be.  Going to pour it on for two weeks. I think for two weeks I have to do what is conventional training  for me.

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« Reply #2582 on: July 04, 2025, 06:47:04 AM »
Please keep posting. And keep dropping knowledge! I agree with what you're saying too.

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« Reply #2583 on: July 04, 2025, 09:28:21 AM »
Good to know. I prefer a nice pair of slacks myself.

I wear pantaloons.


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« Reply #2584 on: July 06, 2025, 06:14:39 PM »
I wear pantaloons.



I wear knickers.

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« Reply #2585 on: July 06, 2025, 07:01:17 PM »
While I was gone I did a lot of experimenting. No, I'm not saying what I think is the right path for me is the right path for you. 

Today I did this. No warm ups listed. I usually did one or none for this routine.  It was a whole body routine.

Power cleans 3 x 3 then 1 x 1

Dumbbell squats 2x12   (Dumbbells held at sides with straps. Tried to stay upright so I wasn't deadlifting the dumbbells. Went ass to grass. Zane called these dumbbell hack squats. )
Leg extensions 2 x 20
Stiff dead 2 x 6

Barbell flat bench 2 x 6 then 1x1
Weighted dips 2 x 12

Reverse grip supinate pull ups 2 x 8
Seated classic lat cable rows 2 x 12  ( I have the traditional close grip handle but I used a wider V handle I have for a better range of motion. Lets me get my hands past my body on the concentric. )

Military press 2 x 8
Dumbbell delt laterals 2 x 12


Triceps pulley pushdowns with a straight bar 2 x 12
Alternate Dumbbell curls 2 x 8

Seated calf raise 2 x 15
Tibalis work 1 x 20

Incline sit up 1 x 24
Incline leg raise 1 x 14

Four way neck machine 2 x 30 a side

Ivanko grippers 2 x 20


The work out took me a little under 2 hours.  I know I talk a lot about going to failure but I wasn't using this tool for this. I'm using a six workout increase. Meaning I know what my goal is for the sixth whole body work out and I backed off the weight either 5lbs or 10lbs per workout.  Using an imaginary trainer to make that point clear. Let's say this guy's goal is 2x 10 reps with 100lbs with a barbell curl.  Workout one backing back 5lbs a workout for 6 total workouts would look like this. Workout one is 75lbs for 2 x10.  He can do maybe 15 reps but stop at 10 reps. Workout two is 80lbs for 2 x 10 for the barbell curl. Workout three is 85lbs for 2 x 10 in the barbell curl and so on. Workout six should be your max.  It's a gradual sane way to up the intensity without burning out. I have found this method very effective in the past. It doesn't have to be six increases. You might decide 7 increases works for you or even 5.  Make your workout your decision and not someone else's decision. Use what makes sense for you. 

For me after 6 increases I will completely change the exercises for each body part and yes use a six workout increase for this whole body routine. 

So many different splits and the whole body. They are all good. The benefits of a whole body routine are enormous. The body fatigues as a unit and not according to a body part. Fatigue is systemic and not localized. When you train chest or shoulders you are training triceps with pressing movements. When training back you are training biceps with the pulling movements. What I'm trying to convey is that the body works as a unit. Why not train it as one?  Three times a week is ideal.  Two  times a week works. If life gets in the way having one work out day during the week won't set you back and it could give the body and mind a break to attack it three times a week after that fuck up week.

A term of hybrid training is gaining use.  It's a term used mainly by lifters who also run. I guess it could be used by anyone that does another athletic training in conjunction with lifting. It could be lifting and say jui jitsu.  If you are a hybrid athlete doing a split is a really difficult thing to do. Missed workout due to fatigue, work or family life really seems to fuck up a split routine. Think about it. Can you do a bro split or even a three way split if you are hitting the dojo twice a week or running four days a week? Maybe some supermen can but us mere mortals have limitations.  It would make more sense to train the whole body in one shot. Then you can take off one day or even three before hitting the weights again.  I also seem to get stronger when I repeat an exercise more than once a week. Would you get stronger in chins doing them once a week or doing them three times a week? I think most would answer, three times a week.

Lately I have been adding some biking in my fitness routine. After going for an hour hard ride I went for a run the next day. I wasn't even pushing myself and found I posted a good time for me on my Garmin watch. I might keep biking in the mix as I found it very enjoyable getting out there on one pushing hard.

 I don't call myself a bodybuilder. That term in my mind is reserved for guys with syringes and pills. If that's you interest then go for it. It's not for me.  A whole body routine is the toughest method of training. It is harder than doing a split. You will be breathing like a race horse half way through a whole body routine. I remember Mike Mentzer saying he used a whole body routine to win the Mr. America title but went to a split for his three Universe competitions  because it was becoming way too hard to do a whole body routine.  It is a shock to the system. 

If you want to give a whole body routine a shot I would suggest you use basic exercises and the best. In reality does an athlete need four different biceps exercises? Body weight trainers are limited on exercise selection for body parts and they do amazing doing one or two different exercises per body part. You can make your whole body routine very basic and pick say 7 exercises or you can do what I do and it's over kill but it gets me in shape quickly.  When ever I want to get into shape at warp speed the whole body workout works best for me. 

Till next time.