Gym Etiquette - Was I Wrong Here?

[Matt]

I can't believe you call that training that is not training you know they actually have wrist wraps powerlifters use to prevent what his wrist are doing his entire "set" you think strongman move their wrist like that? You think they go halfway down and one arm goes up at a time as they wiggle their entire body?

Yes, but strongman is sort of just about lifting the weight up.

It's essentially waiting to happen, but knock on wood - no injuries yet.

I also tend to pull back at 97-99%.

This does make me different from the other guys - they can just push themselves to a place that I typically never do. And most ones who I know personally have been injured before.

[robcguns]

Thank you, wes. Yes, lol. Yes, exactly - and I am competitive in the manlet category. Although I have competed in heavier classes, but obviously had a major body weight disadvantage, with the heaviest competitor out-weighing me by over 130-lb. 

Getbiggers miss nothing - what in this photo doesn't belong here?:

Haha q bert

[Skeletor]

Thank you, wes. Yes, lol. Yes, exactly - and I am competitive in the manlet category. Although I have competed in heavier classes, but obviously had a major body weight disadvantage, with the heaviest competitor out-weighing me by over 130-lb. 

Getbiggers miss nothing - what in this photo doesn't belong here?:

Damn it Matt, clean those dusty trophies and put them in a nice display case.

[Matt]

Haha q bert

LMAO!!! Getbig misses NOTHING!

And the dust, basically.

[Matt]

Damn it Matt, clean those dusty trophies and put them in a nice display case.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Getbig is great.

This board basically saved me during the past two years of the insane-demic.

[Walter Sobchak]

Credit where credit is due, manlet Matt pushing 110’s for a few awkward partial reps is still good work for someone his size.

Don’t put the weights on the bench.

Brian Wood Healy Hankins jealousy rears its ugly fat growth hormone head because he knows damn well he can’t get close to 120 lb dumbbells for reps.

[beakdoctor]

I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong.  Guys a prick.

Speaking of gym interactions:

In the gym yesterday.  Doing legs. Finished up on squats.  Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over  to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.

I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.

So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.

So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....

He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck  man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction.  They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."

The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head.  I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something.  But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.

I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.

Fucking asshole.

[Palumboism]

HE TRAINS FOR "STRONGMAN" YOU MIRROR ATHLETE.

I prefer to be a mirror "athlete" too.   

[Matt]

That's great news, Matt. I've always thought you belong in a circus.

I'm not insulted, because you are probably correct.

To be fair, I did live in a circus for the past two years - with my countrymen terrified of a 99.9% survivable flu.

Hopefully that's behind me now, and I can just train hard and recover.

[Matt]

Also does anyone else notice Matt has a strongman thread he also just started talking about his last oral cycle of anadrol and his plan to start something soon meanwhile he post a bunch of holier than though anti juice crap in this thread. Also 180lbs strongman division is about as much of a joke as 160lb bodybuilding. If he was actually training for strongman he would be eating and putting on weight not 180lbs talking shit about how anyone bigger is abusing gear. Has anyone else ever even heard of a 180lbs strongman division fuck no strongmen are 250lbs plus

Honestly, B. Hank - I don't mean to be critical of bodybuilding. I'm just saying - for your average gym rat who doesn't want to run a lot of gear, do you really think there is much potential to gain muscle?

Who is REALLY the top natural?

Even the men's physique competitors are not natural.

But I've always found I could get stronger without eating tons of food, and without running anything - I mean, other than a handful of wimpy cycles over the years.

I would like to run some now though.

What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?

Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?

I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.

What do you say?

[wes]

HEY WHAT THE FUCK....WHERE ARE THE FOUR LAST PLACE MEDALS?  LOL 

[wes]

I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong.  Guys a prick.

Speaking of gym interactions:

In the gym yesterday.  Doing legs. Finished up on squats.  Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over  to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.

I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.

So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.

So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....

He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck  man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction.  They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."

The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head.  I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something.  But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.

I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.

Fucking asshole.

You should have hedbutted the fag.

PINDICK OF PEACE  LOL 

[Matt]

I think Matt has some depression going on and is no longer sexual.

If the guy telling you not to put the dumbells on the bench wasn't an owner or worker then it's probably poor gym etiquette on his part.  unless there are signs posted or some way to know I'd consider it a bit rude to receive unsolicited advice like that. But I do think it can damage the upholstery.

Thank you.

It turned out that he was mad because he helped fix the bench - in the picture below, a 110-lb dumbbell dropped for over five feet and hit the portion circled in red in the photo below.

Do you know how he "fixed" it - by screwing two screws where you see the yellow dots are in this photo.

Lol, how would that fix it, by putting screws in AFTER the crack?

But he's a welder or an iron worker - not a carpenter. So that explains that one, maybe.

Ultimately, he was emotionally invested, because he had attempted to fix the broken bench. But I really don't think my resting 2x 110-lb dumbbells side by side on the bench was the cause of the problems.

And no - he wasn't the owner! I will ask the owner what he thinks about it.

[Walter Sobchak]

I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong.  Guys a prick.

Speaking of gym interactions:

In the gym yesterday.  Doing legs. Finished up on squats.  Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over  to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.

I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.

So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.

So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....

He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck  man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction.  They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."

The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head.  I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something.  But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.

I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.

Fucking asshole.

That’s no way to treat Shizzo…

[Matt]

Matt, i think you have some sort of personality disorder Specifically, Paranoid personality disorder (PPD)

Believing everyone is out to get you or has an agenda against you.

it's basic gym 101 and i have trained at some goods gyms Bevs, Strong and Shapley, Binous, Montanari Bros, Golds to name a few)

Its equivalent to the morons doing DB rows and resting the weight on the bench in-between sets,

Yes! Almost exactly like that.

And I don't think the dude meant it personally - but you are right, that I am like that.

So was it way out of line, in your view?

I honestly felt the bench could take it. I hadn't thought about the upholstery. But hey - if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. And I want to correct this in the future, if I am wrong.

I don't want to be "that guy" at the gym.

One Black dude at my gym, does a drop-set with dumbbell curls, and lines them all up on a bench to grab them for his sets, lol. He's always talking on his wireless Bluetooth as well, lol. But he's a nice enough guy.

[Matt]

I skimmed your original post and nothing else. Fortress is busy …

Perhaps put ‘em on the floor, yeah, but having said this, you should have told the tosser to get fucked. If he pushed the routine, shove him so hard he breaks bones impacting with whatever is behind him.

I did somewhat loudly explain to him that the end of the bench cracked because a heavy dumbbell FELL on it from over five feet.

That's a far cry from simply resting them there for a minute between sets.

However, if the Getbig consensus says I'm wrong, I'll accept that.

I actually initially got worked up a bit explaining how the original crack in the bench happened that I later went to apologize to him for it.

And OK OK OK, I'll admit it:

It was ME who cracked the bench when I did a 110-lb Circus Dumbbell. I dropped it back on the ground, and it just hit the bench.

I decided to make it up to the gym owner by buying a new bench for the gym.

But it was NOT from the dumbbells just RESTING on the bench - the 110-lb dumbbell fell from quite a height.

So this was my fault.

[Matt]

Gym rules I believe in

Re rack your dumbbells and plates
Don’t drop dumbbells
Don’t scream and yell unless legit heavy weight
Don’t shadowbox if not a fighter
Don’t talk on cellphone
Don’t dance and sing your stupid ass rap music
Don’t lift near me
Don’t sit on equipment and not use it

I hate doing that...

I generally don't, even if it means holding back a rep on flat bench dumbbell presses. I have done it before, and it may happen again, but I'm mindful of that one.

[Van_Bilderass]

I would like to run some now though.

What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?

Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?

I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.

What do you say?

Think about this. Your proposed set-up is common but set-up that way your cycle is much heavier the first four weeks. It makes no sense, as you start gaining your results slow down and that's when you should increase the dosage, not at the start. Sustanon doesn't take weeks to "kick in" either. It kicks in immediately. I would do the Anadrol for the whole 3 months, why not. If you're going to do one cycle and then be off for years again. Alternatively do it at the end of your cycle. I would go like this: 250 Sust + 25 drol for say a month. Then if everything is fine and you "need" more double both until gains slow down again.

A 12 weeks cycle will work but it's really really short if you want real gains and especially want to hone in your strongman technique with your superman physiology. That's not a whole lot of workouts. 12 weeks is when things just start to get good.

[Matt]

Think about this. Your proposed set-up is common but set-up that way your cycle is much heavier the first four weeks. It makes no sense, as you start gaining your results slow down and that's when you should increase the dosage, not at the start. Sustanon doesn't take weeks to "kick in" either. It kicks in immediately. I would do the Anadrol for the whole 3 months, why not. If you're going to do one cycle and then be off for years again. Alternatively do it at the end of your cycle. I would go like this: 250 Sust + 25 drol for say a month. Then if everything is fine and you "need" more double both until gains slow down again.

A 12 weeks cycle will work but it's really really short if you want real gains and especially want to hone in your strongman technique with your superman physiology. That's not a whole lot of workouts. 12 weeks is when things just start to get good.

You know what, Van - you should advise me on this. I mean, if you wouldn't mind, and have the time. And you would have my personal assurance [for what that's worth] that I will follow everything to the letter.

It could be a sort of Getbig transformation project, with me under your tutelage! 

It wouldn't be a lot of advising on diet - just give me macro targets to reach every day, and I'll meet those targets.

If after four weeks, I've made gains from my current physique, you will know I'm serious about respecting your coaching.

From what you're saying about Anadrol, three months on it is ok? I was concerned about hepatotoxicity.

I don't drink alcohol, so my liver would not be taxed anywhere else.

My diet is currently good in terms of macros - but I'm so low in calories, that I am actually slightly in ketosis [ketones in your urine mean ketosis, right?].

I have not used any gear since those two 3-week 12.5mg daily Anadrol cycles from 2016.

So I've been fully off everything for 5.5 years now.

This is a photo of me from yesterday:

[GymnJuice]

I did somewhat loudly explain to him that the end of the bench cracked because a heavy dumbbell FELL on it from over five feet.

That's a far cry from simply resting them there for a minute between sets.

However, if the Getbig consensus says I'm wrong, I'll accept that.

I actually initially got worked up a bit explaining how the original crack in the bench happened that I later went to apologize to him for it.

And OK OK OK, I'll admit it:

It was ME who cracked the bench when I did a 110-lb Circus Dumbbell. I dropped it back on the ground, and it just hit the bench.

I decided to make it up to the gym owner by buying a new bench for the gym.

But it was NOT from the dumbbells just RESTING on the bench - the 110-lb dumbbell fell from quite a height.

So this was my fault.

 

Wait if you're the one who broke the bench in the first place and the guy giving you unsolicited advice is the one who tried to fix the bench then yes I think it kinda changes things 😆

[Matt]

I haven't read the last 5 pages but to answer Matts original question: No. Matt you didn't do anything wrong.  Guys a prick.

Speaking of gym interactions:

In the gym yesterday.  Doing legs. Finished up on squats.  Went over to the leg press machine. Put my feet up on the platform and rest. A fucking slob, with a resceeding hairling pulled into a pony tail, no muscle tone, no tan, and a legit layer of blubber around his trunk comes over  to tell me how to correct my form on the leg press.

I had my head phones on and pretended like I couldn't hear him. So repeats it " you're gonna hurt your knees if you do it like that" or some shit. This guy has zero muscle tone.

So, expressing my irritation, I took of my headphones in the most aggravated way possible and said "Thanks. Do you lift?" And put my headphones back on without waiting to hear his response and began my set. But im fucking pissed at this pindick and replaying it back in my head thinking of what I should have said.

Haha - I'm like that ALL the time. Replaying everything in my head. That's why I absolutely CANNOT smoke THC. It totally traps me in my mind every time. Even MORE than I'm normally trapped in my head...

So later on im leaving and my headphones are of he walks up to me and says: 'hey man I do lift you know. I don't know if you heard me or not but i lift. I see people hurt themselves all the time going too hesvy or using bad form....

He's going on but im just hearing white noise Im fucking livid. This pindick literally waited for me to finish my workout so he could fucking lecture me! I was also hangry and trying to leave and He's talking my ear off about how much he knows. Finally I say "Dude what the fuck  man. These lumps all over my body aren't some allergic reaction.  They're fucking muscles. If I didn't want any Id ask you for advice."

The thing about muscles bei g an allergic reaction popped into my head.  I think i heard it somewhere before in a movie or something.  But not wanting his advice just rolled off my tongue.

I didn't feel bad either. Guy was way out of line. When I said it he finally shut up. And he's looking at me trying to figure out if he should laugh or get pissed. He didn't know what to say. So i walked out the door.

Fucking asshole.

Hahahaha - man, I think that takes some balls to go up to someone who OBVIOUSLY knows what they are doing in the gym, and to tell them what to do like that. Especially when you weren't even doing anything wrong.

By and large - I just mind my own business in the gym!

Unless I saw someone clearly using form that could hyper-extend his back or something, I wouldn't say anything.

As for my legs - they have been coming up.

My goal is to gradually build up to doing the max weight that my leg press can hold. I would like to do 10 plates per side [900-lb + the weight of the sled, which would be about 1,000-lb] for at least a few reps.

So far I just got to 7 plates per side, and should be at 8 plates per side within a month - then just gradually get to 10 per side over the course of the next few months after that.

This particular leg press is a lot heavier than most I've seen - it's just a very steep press, but I think I will max it out before the end of the year.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdrOfeWAutO/

[Matt]

Hanky`s a knob....Matt isn`t my favorite poster cuz every post he makes reads like "War And Peace" but he`s a good guy who bothers no one and this asshole who uses the  pink dumbells has the audacity and outright balls to question his power and form when he`d have a helluva` time even deadlifting those dumbells and may even possibly fail if he did try.

What a fucking complete and total asshole.

Thanks wes.

I hate that I can't get a grip on my long posts.

They need to stop.

But you are absolutely right - I am a big fan of most everyone on Getbig with scant exceptions, and I would like to bother no one here.

Getbig is a really solid board, and I want to contribute positively here.

Maybe if I focus on a cycle, and keep most of my posts/updates in that thread, it will reduce my post count elsewhere.

[Matt]

Matt is a strong mother.

Respect.

Thanks IroNat!

There are a couple of good u-80kg competitors in Canada, but last year's 3rd place winner, I had beaten him twice before, both times we competed.

I hate to talk in terms of What It's, but that 3rd place podium spot could have been mine, but I didn't want to compete with the insane pandemic contest rules - where competitors had to wait in their cars between sets, and compete one athlete at a time. It just sounded like a drag.

Franky, I'd be fine just qualifying for Nationals and making the top 10. Although it only takes one injury to throw me off, and if I won't be competing until next year, there's no reason to push it.

I'm just looking forward to getting my strength back to my previous level, and hopefully exceeding that before I get too old. I feel I have a few good years left.

[Hulkotron]

They say one of the advantages  of dumbells is you get a longer range of motion compared to barbells. The opposite is true, with heavy dumbells you don't get very far down because the dumbell hits your body. You probably get 30% shorter range with dumbells.

There is really no such thing as full range reps as in training the muscle through its full potential range. Most exercises do not allow it. Nor do you have to train through the full range. Many of these pros lower a bar to 2 or 3 inches off the chest only and this can save your delts and pecs over time.

If I had healthy pecs (I haven't pressed anything heavy in more than 20 years), I would also angle my elbows in a bit on dumbell presses. Doesn't reduce pec activation and doesn't put the pec in as vulnerable a position.

Strongman is very dangerous. The whole idea is to cheat as much as possible within the rules, not train a muscle through it's full range

When I was 15 I was told that I was going to pay for lifting so heavy. As a kid you don't think about it. And I paid of course.
Lots of tears and now at 40+ I start to notice the knees, the hips, the shoulders, which I never had problems with for the longest time. The latest injury was a bicep tear but I didn't hurt it at the gym. I've been so paranoid and careful not to tear a bicep for decades and it still happened.

Just some rambling thoughts.

Good post Van.  I agree re: heavy dumbbells and ROM.

At 41 my hips are a bit fucked up but everything else feels good so far.  I rarely do a set of less than five reps.

MattC trains strongman I believe, he is not a bodybuilder.

[bhank]

Honestly, B. Hank - I don't mean to be critical of bodybuilding. I'm just saying - for your average gym rat who doesn't want to run a lot of gear, do you really think there is much potential to gain muscle?

Who is REALLY the top natural?

Even the men's physique competitors are not natural.

But I've always found I could get stronger without eating tons of food, and without running anything - I mean, other than a handful of wimpy cycles over the years.

I would like to run some now though.

What do you think about 500mg Sustanon for 12 weeks, with 25mg Anadrol daily for the first month?

Could I go up to 50mg Anadrol during that time?

I have only ever used 12.5mg daily for three weeks [two cycles like that in 2016], and I looked much better.

What do you say?

You are not natural to begin with you get no extra credit for how little you use fucking stop wasting your last few athletic years debating and fucking do it already. You seem to think bodybuilding is all about gear and you are just going to blow up into a 3000lb monster so go ahead and fucking try it already you are not getting any younger