Getbig.com: American Bodybuilding, Fitness and Figure
Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Bluto on July 03, 2008, 02:13:19 PM
-
besides me ?
im talking animal in the gym
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself training !!!
-
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself posting on getbig!!!
figures
-
today i did a total of 37 sets for legs and calves!
then i thought enough is enough and called it the day
-
I dont train legs, its not masculine.....
Only women train legs and glutes
-
has to be me, after you Bluto of course
-
if you don't post pics then you don't train. that is that.
-
All that Training Bluto still wont turn you into a Man......
-
if you don't post pics then you don't train. that is that.
-
All that Training Bluto still wont turn you into a Man......
why would it? training is ok for both men and women and it doesnt turn anyone into the other !!
it's about FEELING ALIVE and punishing your body so that you will be accepted in teh gym upstair by god himself who is the REAL mr universe!!!
-
I train hard on my main lifts:
Jason
-
I train hard on my main lifts:
Jason
why you got all those guys around you ?!
lifting is a SOLITARY SPORT
-
I train hardest.
How many others could complete a brutal pec dec and kick back session with a 10" black dildo in their ass?
Exactly.....NOBODY!
I win
ta ta
-
why you got all those guys around you ?!
lifting is a SOLITARY SPORT
LOL Im kind of a big deal LOL
Jason
-
who on getbig train the hardest?
This is a very good question. When the board decides on who it is I would also like to see some clips up here.
This thread is useless without clips. ;D
-
fuc that I once peed on the floor instead of in the urinal, cause I had to do legs and did not want any splashback on my shirt
-
This is a very good question. When the board decides on who it is I would also like to see some clips up here.
This thread is useless without clips. ;D
i think the picture Jason posted squatting 900 pounds pretty much puts this argument to rest.
-
besides me ?
im talking animal in the gym
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself training jerking off!!!
Fixed!
-
i train hard as fuck i dont messaround i aint tryin to squat no 900 pounds but i train like a sumbitch harder then 99.9999999% of you stupid sumbitchss who cares do you i dont
-
i train hard as fuck i dont messaround i aint tryin to squat no 900 pounds but i train like a sumbitch harder then 99.9999999% of you stupid sumbitchss who cares do you i dont
I love this gimmick!! ;D
-
I love this gimmick!! ;D
sumbody tell me what that gimmick is means ? i aint been here to long so help me out on this site i train like a fucking animal and i aint scared from no sumbitchs in the weight room
-
Arvilla and MattC
-
Arvilla and MattC
what you mean
-
here goes the hardest workin man on GB
-
www.collardgreensphoto.c om would have been funnier.
-
besides me ?
im talking animal in the gym
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself training !!!
Yelling & screaming while curling 35 lb. must be funny.
-
Not me.
-
I train hard on my main lifts:
Jason
Is this from that session?
-
My intensity rivals that of Dorian and Tom Platz. Its like im in a war zone baby. Hardcore shit. Life and death.
-
Is this from that session?
Yessir it is.
Jason
-
i think the picture Jason posted squatting 900 pounds pretty much puts this argument to rest.
strongest does not mean hardest trainer.
similarly, hardest trainer does not mean SMARTEST trainer.
if i wanted to i could murder myself in the gym five days a week for two hours at a time, vomiting and bursting vessels every workout. doesn't mean i'd improve at all, it just means i'd look "hardcore". a lot of top level guys do surprisingly little work because they have their training down to a science.
-
strongest does not mean hardest trainer.
similarly, hardest trainer does not mean SMARTEST trainer.
if i wanted to i could murder myself in the gym five days a week for two hours at a time, vomiting and bursting vessels every workout. doesn't mean i'd improve at all, it just means i'd look "hardcore". a lot of top level guys do surprisingly little work because they have their training down to a science.
excuses. if you could, you would.
you dont have it in you son.
topl level guys have drugs downt o a science. there's no substitute for hard work for a natural who didnt win the genetic lottery !
-
Train hard or go home !
(pic taken July 3rd)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.250 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.250)
-
Train hard or go home !
(pic taken July 3rd)
Looking good bro 8)
-
I don't use universal animal supplements or ATP pro wrist straps, i guess ime automatically disqualified from this discussion
-
today i did a total of 37 sets for legs and calves!
then i thought enough is enough and called it the day
Yeah, 37 1-rep sets would be a good day for you.
-
Yessir it is.
Jason
I dont think you cant get decent mass with this training.
How are your legs?
-
I dont think you cant get decent mass with this training.
How are your legs?
Yeah, because all powerlifters care about mass. ::)
-
strongest does not mean hardest trainer.
similarly, hardest trainer does not mean SMARTEST trainer.
if i wanted to i could murder myself in the gym five days a week for two hours at a time, vomiting and bursting vessels every workout. doesn't mean i'd improve at all, it just means i'd look "hardcore". a lot of top level guys do surprisingly little work because they have their training down to a science.
Reread my post ;D
Jason
-
I dont think you cant get decent mass with this training.
How are your legs?
Rockstar. Tom Platz quivers in my presence. LOL I dont know. Im no bodybuilder, so its hard for me to say. They dont look like toothpics, but theyre not huge either...I think theyre 29-30" or so if I had to guess.
Jason
-
I dont think you cant get decent mass with this training.
How are your legs?
hahahahaha, another expert who probably tops out on the squat with 275 criticizing a guy squatting 900, are you fucking serious?
-
strongest does not mean hardest trainer.
similarly, hardest trainer does not mean SMARTEST trainer.
if i wanted to i could murder myself in the gym five days a week for two hours at a time, vomiting and bursting vessels every workout. doesn't mean i'd improve at all, it just means i'd look "hardcore". a lot of top level guys do surprisingly little work because they have their training down to a science.
::) i've seen your training journal on the other board which includes a massive 355 for sets of 3 on the squat, care to retract your statement?
-
::) i've seen your training journal on the other board which includes a massive 355 for sets of 3 on the squat, care to retract your statement?
I think he meant that he's a fierce keyboard warrior here on getbig.
-
::) i've seen your training journal on the other board which includes a massive 355 for sets of 3 on the squat, care to retract your statement?
lets see you put up more than that.
-
lets see you put up more than that.
he was the one saying that a guy squatting 900 isn't necassarily training hard. ::)
-
he was the one saying that a guy squatting 900 isn't necassarily training hard. ::)
depends on your definition of "hard training". Squatting 900 is definitely hard training, but doing multiple grueling sets of squats with little rest is also hard training.
-
depends on your definition of "hard training". Squatting 900 is definitely hard training, but doing multiple grueling sets of squats with little rest is also hard training.
more weight=harder training every time.
-
more weight=harder training every time.
no way.
Squats, pick 50-60% of your 1 RM and do 3 sets of 15 with 90-120 sec rest.
Just 3 sets, and tell me its not hard training ;D
-
I train hard on my main lifts:
Jason
Team Sniffy all the way.. :D
-
excuses. if you could, you would.
you dont have it in you son.
topl level guys have drugs downt o a science. there's no substitute for hard work for a natural who didnt win the genetic lottery !
you cant be working out that hard with all the supposed sets you do. right mentzer?
training is about being progressive, training smart...and hard ENOUGH. not the hardest.
hope this helps
-
no way.
Squats, pick 50-60% of your 1 RM and do 3 sets of 15 with 90-120 sec rest.
Just 3 sets, and tell me its not hard training ;D
not as hard as putting 900 pounds on your back and descending with it, not by a long shot.
-
not as hard as putting 900 pounds on your back and descending with it, not by a long shot.
Well, 900 is world class lifting so I wouldn't dare make a comparison to it. But unless you're lifting above 90% of your 1 RM I wouldn't say training higher reps with little rest is easier.
-
not as hard as putting 900 pounds on your back and descending with it, not by a long shot.
kinda useless discussion. all that matters is progress.
-
Well, 900 is world class lifting so I wouldn't dare make a comparison to it. But unless you're lifting above 90% of your 1 RM I wouldn't say training higher reps with little rest is easier.
yes it is.
-
yes it is.
fine, thats your opinion. From MY experience, this is the case. Maybe it was different with yours.
-
fine, thats your opinion. From MY experience, this is the case. Maybe it was different with yours.
what's the most you've squatted?
-
I think he meant that he's a fierce keyboard warrior here on getbig.
Coming from Dumpster, that is rich!
ta ta
-
what's the most you've squatted?
why does it matter?
-
why does it matter?
just like to see if you know what having a heavy weight on your back feels like.
-
you cant be working out that hard with all the supposed sets you do. right mentzer?
training is about being progressive, training smart...and hard ENOUGH. not the hardest.
hope this helps
i think youre one of the most boring posters on here (and most boring persons in real life)
i liked you more when you were a sick bastard talking about women pissing on your face
-
just like to see if you know what having a heavy weight on your back feels like.
I think I do, having trained doubles and triples for an extended period of time. Trust me, I have respect for anyone who gets under the bar with heavy ass weight.
-
yes it is.
na not necessarily altho i wouldnt use the example haider the lion gave you.
i can 'easily' do sets of 90% of my 1RM (without going to failure)...doesnt come close to doing 20 rep sets of ball busting squats. just to take an extreme example.
-
I think I do, having trained doubles and triples for an extended period of time. Trust me, I have respect for anyone who gets under the bar with heavy ass weight.
nevermind, i think this answers my question. ;D
lol!
yeah right..
crazy ass workout on thursday, jsut combined everything and put it all in one workout!!! hahaha, i couldnt help it after missing every other workout that week. I was super pumped to go workout and release some energy... which left me out of energy and totally screwed for several days after ;D
Thursday, April 10 2008
ME Bench / ME Sqt
Bench Press
95 x 5
135 x 4
175 x 3
205 x 1
215 x 1
230 x 1
225 x 1
215 x 1-1
Parallel Squats
155 x 5
195 x 5
245 x 4
295 x 2
325 x 2 (w/ belt)
365 x 1 (w/ belt).. got buried on the second >:(
335 x 2 (w/ belt)
Close-grip Bench <alternated w/> Db Rows on Incline
190 x 5 <alt.> 80's x 8
190 x 5 <alt.> 80's x 8
190 x 5 <alt.> 80's x 8
165 x 10 (1 forced) <alt.> ------
Front Sqts <alternated w/> Glute-Ham Raises*
220 x 6 <alt.> -#1 x 5
220 x 6 <alt.> -0 x 3 (no assistance)
------- <alt.> -0 x 3
------- <alt.> -#1 x 5
*setup on lat pulldown machine
Just started the workout with some prep work for bench for the competition this upcoming wednesday... wasn't really in the groove but eh..
Squats felt good warming up to the set, I was properly using my core and everything. First rep up on 365 was good, but heavy as shit! Second rep I lost my groove going up and got buried... fell to the ground and hit my knee on a metal edge, didn't even hurt but it started bleeding- just a little cut abt an inch across. After taking care of the bleeding, and band-aiding that I went right back to squatting... was goin for 4 reps on 335 but from how it felt I wasn't about to risk a second accident, so I let the ego suffer a little to save my knees ;D
close-grips felt phenomenal, much easier than I though..same for the rows as well. Front Squats were crazy hard cuz my lower back was shot at this point.. It sucked being sore for 3 straight days all over my body, never doin that again ;D
-
nevermind, i think this answers my question. ;D
that was some heavy ass shit for me!
-
i think youre one of the most boring posters on here (and most boring persons in real life)
i liked you more when you were a sick bastard talking about women pissing on your face
coming from the guy who obsessively starts trivial threads.
as for the boring part, you just dont like anyone being able to read you like a book.
-
coming from the guy who obsessively starts trivial threads.
as for the boring part, you just dont like anyone being able to read you like a book.
read me like a book? youve backed out of every argument we've ever had because you dont know shit.
-
bluto and slaveboy do have one thing in common, they both claim to be training experts and neither one of them has posted their picture.
-
bluto and slaveboy do have one thing in common, they both claim to be training experts and neither one of them has posted their picture.
and who are you? ???
-
Rockstar. Tom Platz quivers in my presence. LOL I dont know. Im no bodybuilder, so its hard for me to say. They dont look like toothpics, but theyre not huge either...I think theyre 29-30" or so if I had to guess.
Jason
Oh I didnt know that you were powerlifting competitor. sorry.
I was guessing if you were a powerlifter...
Cus some bber do powerlifting like JOJ and Ripitup.
So i thought you were one of them.
-
read me like a book? youve backed out of every argument we've ever had because you dont know shit.
i guess you feel threatened by slaveboy and ur in some kind of defense mechanism mode
-
Oh I didnt know that you were powerlifting competitor. sorry.
I was guessing if you were a powerlifter...
Cus some bber do powerlifting like JOJ and Ripitup.
So i thought you were one of them.
waht do confucious say about this?
-
and who are you? ???
i don't claim to be a training expert like them, just an average guy.
-
i don't claim to be a training expert like them, just an average guy.
u seem to be calling out a lot of people with your monstrous 350 posts.
-
i don't claim to be a training expert like them, just an average guy.
average guy with 17 different getbig accounts.
-
and who are you? ???
You filthy Muslim, show WJ some respect.
-
average guy with 17 different getbig accounts.
I know he has one other, won't mention though ;)
-
u seem to be calling out a lot of people with your monstrous 350 posts.
only shit talkers and bullshitters.
-
only shit talkers and bullshitters.
why?
-
Ignoring genetics, a good physique is more related to consistency in training and diet than going heavy all the time.
Just one man's opinion.
-
why?
because he likes to talk to himself :D
-
i guess you feel threatened by slaveboy and ur in some kind of defense mechanism mode
no i just find you incredibly boring. you come here preaching about a training method thats been known since the dawn of time like you found the holy grail and at the same time claim its the only way to train. and you repeat that over and over and over again in hundreds of posts. give it a rest. go train dennis wolf and put milos outta business because he obviously doesnt know anything and you know everything. im sure dennis would pay you instead.
and when youre done with that, you can tell mark dugdale to stop training like dorian and start training like you and you two guys can posedown in the lockerroom and battle it out.
-
why?
because a 365 pound squatter saying that a 900 pound squatter isn't training as hard as someone doing 50-60 percent of max for 15 reps needs to be confronted. :D
-
Ignoring genetics, a good physique is more related to consistency in training and diet than going heavy all the time.
Just one black man's opinion.
Agreed.
-
because a 365 pound squatter saying that a 900 pound squatter isn't training as hard as someone doing 50-60 percent of max for 15 reps needs to be confronted. :D
Fine, supposing I said that ???
-
no i just find you incredibly boring. you come here preaching about a training method thats been known since the dawn of time like you found the holy grail and at the same time claim its the only way to train. and you repeat that over and over and over again in hundreds of posts. give it a rest. go train dennis wolf and put milos outta business because he obviously doesnt know anything and you know everything. im sure dennis would pay you instead.
and when youre done with that, you can tell mark dugdale to stop training like dorian and start training like you and you two guys can posedown in the lockerroom and battle it out.
your talking against yourself in that post. make up your mind.
you simply cant handle the truth.
and ask dorian about the need of progressively lifting heavier weights and let me know what he says. :D
-
your talking against yourself in that post. make up your mind.
you simply cant handle the truth.
and ask dorian about the need of progressively lifting heavier weights and let me know what he says. :D
i know the truth. you dont. you claim ONE method is all there is. we know thats false.
dorian probably did full stack of leg extensions within his first years of training. and at the top of his career in blood n guts he move the exact same weight.
so much for progressively lifting heavier weights.
-
::) i've seen your training journal on the other board which includes a massive 355 for sets of 3 on the squat, care to retract your statement?
listen dave (by the way, who gave you access to the harley account? i remember who started it, and it wasn't you...), if you want to start rolling again down that path, we can do that. all i'm saying is that a 900 pound squat does not mean he puts more pure physical exertion into his workouts than others. i then pointed out that this may not be a BAD thing because he's obviously progressed incredibly far.
familiar with a fella named nick winters? he used to say over on another board it was funny how his training sessions are half as long as other guys and he never "kills" himself in the gym, if i remember the guy goes 45 minutes per workout or so. he trains exactly how his body needs to train in order to get better, instead of throwing everything but the kitchen sink into his workouts in the hopes that it'll work.
i train arguably less hard than when i was 170 and doing "bodybuilding" training, where all my workouts were modeled after platz's idea of going until you puke or pass out. and yet, hey surprise, i'm progressing more.
by the way, are we ever going to see proof of your 545 for reps squat? ::)
-
Zone Capone trains like madman...Imagine what he could have achieved if he didn't tear every muscle in body..
-
i train arguably less hard than when i was 170 and doing "bodybuilding" training, where all my workouts were modeled after platz's idea of going until you puke or pass out. and yet, hey surprise, i'm progressing more.
Hahaha, "progressing more" ;D You look like a bag of smashed assholes and you are weak as a kitten :D
-
Zone Capone trains like madman...Imagine what he could have achieved if he didn't tear every muscle in body..
yes
capone is the boss of bosses in the iron game
-
Hahaha, "progressing more" ;D You look like a bag of smashed assholes and you are weak as a kitten :D
::)
says the guy whose only picture shows off a giant gut hanging over his shorts. go back to what you're good at, avalanche. post porn vids you found on youtube during "work hours".
-
::)
says the guy whose only picture shows off a giant gut hanging over his shorts. go back to what you're good at, avalanche. post porn vids you found on youtube during "work hours".
Hahahaha, brutal fag meltdown. shouldn't you be cruising the lakes for guys today Zach? ;D
-
great thread
i dont think you can judge how hard someone trains by the amount they lift
however,
putting 900 pounds on your back and squatting is pretty fucking hardcore
-
-
Is this from that session?
Now thats training!!
-
i know the truth. you dont. you claim ONE method is all there is. we know thats false.
dorian probably did full stack of leg extensions within his first years of training. and at the top of his career in blood n guts he move the exact same weight.
so much for progressively lifting heavier weights.
yeah right, basically you dont understand the fundamental aspects of muscle growth. its not a question of method. lots of methods have been used to grow muscle, but they should all be based on the same fundamental laws of muscle growth. (which have been known to 95% since the paper produced by goldspinkel or whatever his name back in the 70s)
as for you dorian yates example you should read his books. you have no idea what your talking about.
-
listen dave (by the way, who gave you access to the harley account? i remember who started it, and it wasn't you...), if you want to start rolling again down that path, we can do that. all i'm saying is that a 900 pound squat does not mean he puts more pure physical exertion into his workouts than others. i then pointed out that this may not be a BAD thing because he's obviously progressed incredibly far.
familiar with a fella named nick winters? he used to say over on another board it was funny how his training sessions are half as long as other guys and he never "kills" himself in the gym, if i remember the guy goes 45 minutes per workout or so. he trains exactly how his body needs to train in order to get better, instead of throwing everything but the kitchen sink into his workouts in the hopes that it'll work.
i train arguably less hard than when i was 170 and doing "bodybuilding" training, where all my workouts were modeled after platz's idea of going until you puke or pass out. and yet, hey surprise, i'm progressing more.
by the way, are we ever going to see proof of your 545 for reps squat? ::)
the 545 squat is when he managed to get out of the sofa.
-
I think the iron sheik had the most optimal training regimen. Start with a joint, drink a six pack of Heineken on the way to the gym, do two sets of 135 on the bench, and then take a nap.
-
your talking against yourself in that post. make up your mind.
you simply cant handle the truth.
and ask dorian about the need of progressively lifting heavier weights and let me know what he says. :D
As someone who has trained for 4 decades including side-by-side with a top-3 Universe placer when i was a teen, i can say without hesitation that slave knows his shit. Bluto on the other hand is getbig's no. 1 troll, always contributes the absolute minimum EXCEPT when it comes to negativity and trolling. No evidence that bluto has any type of intensity other than pounding those keys 24-7 lol
Hope this helps. :D
-
yeah right, basically you dont understand the fundamental aspects of muscle growth. its not a question of method. lots of methods have been used to grow muscle, but they should all be based on the same fundamental laws of muscle growth. (which have been known to 95% since the paper produced by goldspinkel or whatever his name back in the 70s)
as for you dorian yates example you should read his books. you have no idea what your talking about.
but you only know one law that you call fundamental which you say is progressively adding resistance to the bar when in reality there's a number of ways including no of reps, sets, rest and times it take to complete a rep.
and if thats not all, it's also up to debate if progress can be made without ANY of the above (including weight increase)
as for dorian, seeing is believing. ive yet to see him use any fractional plates or otherwise put more weight on the bar from one week to the next. and nobody else either in no video EVER of ANY bodybuilder. and i have 100+ gigs of videos.
-
Hahahaha, brutal fag meltdown. shouldn't you be cruising the lakes for guys today Zach? ;D
Perennially hostile "magoo" is still getting over a lover's quarrel with "alex23" here awhile back, they were supposed to book a hotel room during his visit and ended up having hissy fits back and forth. :-*
-
the 545 squat is when he managed to get out of the sofa.
what really confuses me is that WJ_Harley was in timeout. so someone gives dave the password to the account and suddenly it's let out again? peculiar.
-
As someone who has trained for 4 decades including side-by-side with a top-3 Universe placer when i was a teen, i can say without hesitation that slave knows his shit. Bluto on the other hand is getbig's no. 1 troll, always contributes the absolute minimum EXCEPT when it comes to negativity and trolling. No evidence that bluto has any type of intensity other than pounding those keys 24-7 lol
Hope this helps. :D
good. that means ill debating you at the same time as im debating him. so when i win i crush you both since youre in 100 percent agreement.
thatll save some time. killing two birds with one stone.
-
but you only know one law that you call fundamental which you say is progressively adding resistance to the bar when in reality there's a number of ways including no of reps, sets, rest and times it take to complete a rep.
and if thats not all, it's also up to debate if progress can be made without ANY of the above (including weight increase)
as for dorian, seeing is believing. ive yet to see him use any fractional plates or otherwise put more weight on the bar from one week to the next. and nobody else either in no video EVER of ANY bodybuilder. and i have 100+ gigs of videos.
totally absurd post bluto, filled with holes like swiss cheese.
progressive strength increases is the most important aspect..but i never claimed its the only factor. obviously you cant read.
who said anything about fractional plates? your expanding the argument.
you have 100+ gigs of videos? talk about self ownage. these guys are drug addicts and are using higher dosages to drive poundages up. you cant fully compare a drug user to a natural.
-
good. that means ill debating you at the same time as im debating him. so when i win i crush you both since youre in 100 percent agreement.
thatll save some time. killing two birds with one stone.
i have no need to argue or battle with you, you sound like your 11 years old. ::)
in the training forum, i answer specific questions. nobody is forced to take my advice.
but your welcome to try. i can go toe to toe with anyone on getbig.
-
totally absurd post bluto, filled with holes like swiss cheese.
progressive strength increases is the most important aspect..but i never claimed its the only factor. obviously you cant read.
who said anything about fractional plates? your expanding the argument.
you have 100+ gigs of videos? talk about self ownage. these guys are drug addicts and are using higher dosages to drive poundages up. you cant fully compare a drug user to a natural.
#1 - you have numerous times saids its the ONLY way.
#2 - you now change your argument that it's only valid for NATURAL bodybuilders.
epic backpedaling.
-
i have no need to argue or battle with you, you sound like your 11 years old. ::)
in the training forum, i answer specific questions. nobody is forced to take my advice.
but your welcome to try. i can go toe to toe with anyone on getbig.
apparantely you cant as you say "i have no need to argue" and go back on things you said as soon as the debate gets heated.
then you lay low for a week. and start posting again how "you need to increase weight to grow" in post after post.
-
#1 - you have numerous times saids its the ONLY way.
#2 - you now change your argument that it's only valid for NATURAL bodybuilders.
epic backpedaling.
only thing that is happening is that you cant read. you cant stand someone giving better advice than you or knowing more than you. so you make stuff up.
its not only valid for natural bodybuilders....but a drug users can change the rules somewhat. and i havent said its the only way. its the most important driver for growth. but aspects such as TUT, metabolic fatigue etc do also play a role
-
Progressive training is key to bodybuiding growth, I have to agree with slaveboy on this one. There was a time when I was 130 and my max was 145- no joke, Now 250 and I've pushed 515 for a double, maybe its just coincidence, however a stronger muscle doesn't always mean a bigger muscle. 900 pounds is a hardcore lift may not be a hard workout but on the way to 900 I can imagine the man has had brutal workouts. And as far as resting little between sets as high intensity, many people may consider this hardcore, but personally I think its a stupid and slow way of putting on muscle, save the circuit bullshitt for the fitness girls. ;D
This is my 2 cents
-
apparantely you cant as you say "i have no need to argue" and go back on things you said as soon as the debate gets heated.
then you lay low for a week. and start posting again how "you need to increase weight to grow" in post after post.
not everyone can post 24/7 on getbig like you do.
and i mostly talk about training questions in the training forum and thats in regard to direct questions.
your not debating anything in reality just made up vague statements to vent your inner frustrations.
-
Shouldn't the question be who on here trains...period???
-
only thing that is happening is that you cant read. you cant stand someone giving better advice than you or knowing more than you. so you make stuff up.
its not only valid for natural bodybuilders....but a drug users can change the rules somewhat. and i havent said its the only way. its the most important driver for growth. but aspects such as TUT, metabolic fatigue etc do also play a role
i can read. and you constantly talks about progressive adding weight is the way. when in reality there's a shitload of stuff you can do. you give very basic limited advice from your basic limited mind. you recommend 3 days a week, why not 6? you recommend 5-8 reps why not 10-12 ? are you saying ronnie should train fewer reps and fewer times a week to grow better? or is this another of your "he's not natural" that you add when confronted? (as when you used dorian yourself as an example of "need of progressively lifting heavier weights" apparantely the "only valid for a natural" went straight out the window then huh?
you have a closed mind.
-
Shouldn't the question be who on here trains...period???
yes only you train.
apparantely going to the gym is a very big deal, like going to the moon only very few can do it.
-
i can read. and you constantly talks about progressive adding weight is the way. when in reality there's a shitload of stuff you can do. you give very basic limited advice from your basic limited mind. you recommend 3 days a week, why not 6? you recommend 5-8 reps why not 10-12 ? are you saying ronnie should train fewer reps and fewer times a week to grow better? or is this another of your "he's not natural" that you add when confronted? (as when you used dorian yourself as an example of "need of progressively lifting heavier weights" apparantely the "only valid for a natural" went straight out the window then huh?
you have a closed mind.
no its you who have a very closed mind. if someone asks advice you cant write a complete book, you have to limit your advice to the most important aspects.
its impossible to explain everything in a singel post when someone is asking a question.
why do you keep mentioning ronnie and dorian etc? these guys are poor examples, and yes if these guys want to get bigger its important for them to get stronger...not as important as for a natural but still very important. why not as important? answer is drugs.
-
Zone Capone trains hardest by far.
"Hope this helps"
-
Zone Capone trains hardest by far.
"Hope this helps"
sure didnt help him ;D
-
no its you who have a very closed mind. if someone asks advice you cant write a complete book, you have to limit your advice to the most important aspects.
its impossible to explain everything in a singel post when someone is asking a question.
why do you keep mentioning ronnie and dorian etc? these guys are poor examples, and yes if these guys want to get bigger its important for them to get stronger...not as important as for a natural but still very important. why not as important? answer is drugs.
i got a closed mind? how is that?
youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"
youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.
-
i got a closed mind? how is that?
youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"
youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.
how?
because you fail to realize that when you give advice you start with the basics. you dont focus on a tiny part that accounts for maybe 3% of the overall picture.
and because you obviously cant stand other people giving real advice. why dont you go to the training board and ask people if my advice are shit
your not debating any specifics just general accusations which proves your empty. an empty and insecure individual who needs to start a thread everytime you have to make a simple decision or whenever you feeling alittle bit unsure of something you did. you cant hide from slaveboy. like i said i can read you like a book.
-
i got a closed mind? how is that?
youre the one that think you know everything. and preach your gospel of the only way to get results is to increase weight. and when someone mentions other methods you say "all drugs"
youre full of yourself. and youre full of shit.
good point bluto
-
train smart not hard.
-
train smart not hard.
that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".
people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.
-
because you fail to realize that when you give advice you start with the basics. you dont focus on a tiny part that accounts for maybe 3% of the overall picture.
and because you obviously cant stand other people giving real advice. why dont you go to the training board and ask people if my advice are shit
not talking about advice especially but you in general come into the thread and preach your gospel and since you already know everythign you dont listen to others even though they have much more real life experience than you. thats where the closed mind comes in. you think you know everything already.
and of course i can stand other people giving advice? why wouldnt i? unless someone is giving out advice that i think is downright wrong (and possibly dangerous) im cool with it for the most part.
your not debating any specifics just general accusations which proves your empty. an empty and insecure individual who needs to start a thread everytime you have to make a simple decision or whenever you feeling alittle bit unsure of something you did. you cant hide from slaveboy. like i said i can read you like a book.
no idea what youre on about here. and i doubt you could explain it either so i guess its the drugs talking. or your little internet-persona when you try to sound intelligent and philosophical. ::)
or both.
-
that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".
people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.
if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?
if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?
but of course you cant.
because you need to "keep it simple stupid" ::)
-
if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?
if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?
but of course you cant.
because you need to "keep it simple stupid" ::)
ahah ! bluto laying down some ownage !
-
if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?
if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?
but of course you cant.
because you need to "keep it simple stupid" ::)
it's a good thing i have a profound appreciation for your trolling skills, otherwise this post might actually bother me. :D
-
that's all i'm saying, and that pegg is VERY good at this. i'm sure if he felt like it he could stay in the gym for six hours squatting his balls out every day. but he doesn't, and his 900 pound cake-easy squat is proof positive that "harder" does not equal "better".
people need to quit equating absolute effort with efficacy and worthiness as a trainer. if you can grow more doing six sets than 12, why do 12? because it'll make you look more "hardcore"? bah.
i agree most days on my major exercises each rep is so so easy.
keep it as easy as you can for as long as you can. you always have 50lbs more in the tank that way.
harder does not equal better. people dont understand this. and people get angry when you try to explain it to them. I wa stold by my mate who trains me think of it like a long jump. people stand at the tine and bash and crash their way through...getting to a level or standard of some degree of course.
myself i take a big long run up gather speed...and 9 times outta 10 i get further.
-
it's a good thing i have a profound appreciation for your trolling skills, otherwise this post might actually bother me. :D
yu gotta admit bluto keeps hs eyes open while he is trolliong ! he has some very on target tthigs to say whenever any one attacks him... bet bluto could own each and every poster on here...
-
it's a good thing i have a profound appreciation for your trolling skills, otherwise this post might actually bother me. :D
trolling skills? all i know is that you as a coward forever avoiding me everytime i challenged you and your "expertise" and the above reply is no exception.
whenever you find your balls to man up and discuss, lemme know "magoo"
-
if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?
if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?
but of course you cant.
because you need to "keep it simple stupid" ::)
your ignorance is astounding
you are very funny ;D
-
besides me ?
im talking animal in the gym
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself training !!!
YOU DON'T LIFT...EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THOSE CHOPSTICKS EVERY NITE...GOT RICE BITCH?
-
trolling skills? all i know is that you as a coward forever avoiding me everytime i challenged you and your "expertise" and the above reply is no exception.
whenever you find your balls to man up and discuss, lemme know "magoo"
lol, i'm not even sure what i'm supposed to be discussing, but if you want to clue me in, sure i'll discuss.
your ignorance is astounding
you are very funny ;D
it's not ignorance, it's brilliance. you gotta read a little deeper. :D
-
YOU DON'T LIFT...EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THOSE CHOPSTICKS EVERY NITE...GOT RICE BITCH?
rice is essential to bodybuilding!
-
YOU DON'T LIFT...EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THOSE CHOPSTICKS EVERY NITE...GOT RICE BITCH?
What. When did Bluto become asian?
-
lol, i'm not even sure what i'm supposed to be discussing, but if you want to clue me in, sure i'll discuss.
it's not ignorance, it's brilliance. you gotta read a little deeper. :D
don't mistake a pro attention whore with a genuis
anyone can start an argument with a controversial point of view
its too obvious to be clever
it is funny though :)
-
if you can grow more doing 12 sets than 6 why do 6 ?
if you can grow more training 6 times a week than 3 why train 3 times ?
but of course you cant.
because you need to "keep it simple stupid" ::)
if you can grow the equal amount doing 12 sets and 6 sets why do 12 sets?
if you cant recover from training 6 days a week why train 6 days a week?
easy to answer your own questions ehh?
-
not talking about advice especially but you in general come into the thread and preach your gospel and since you already know everythign you dont listen to others even though they have much more real life experience than you. thats where the closed mind comes in. you think you know everything already.
and of course i can stand other people giving advice? why wouldnt i? unless someone is giving out advice that i think is downright wrong (and possibly dangerous) im cool with it for the most part.
no idea what youre on about here. and i doubt you could explain it either so i guess its the drugs talking. or your little internet-persona when you try to sound intelligent and philosophical. ::)
or both.
epic avoidance of detail. i dont know everything, but i sure as hell know more than you do. the thing is that bodybuilding is plagued by pseudo experts such as yourself. and when the fundamentals of muscle growth are exposed you are exposed as well.
as for the second part, im not suprised you have no idea. but slaveboy knows.
-
epic avoidance of detail. i dont know everything, but i sure as hell know more than you do. the thing is that bodybuilding is plagued by pseudo experts such as yourself. and when the fundamentals of muscle growth are exposed you are exposed as well.
as for the second part, im not suprised you have no idea. but slaveboy knows.
post up your picture and let's see what all this knowledge has produced on your body.
-
post up your picture and let's see what all this knowledge has produced on your body.
send me some cash over paypal and ill make that 545 squat reality in the gym and not just getting up from your sofa.
ok dave?
-
if you can grow the equal amount doing 12 sets and 6 sets why do 12 sets?
if you cant recover from training 6 days a week why train 6 days a week?
easy to answer your own questions ehh?
if you grow more from 12 sets then 12 sets is better. and if youre unsure - more is better, at least then you can rule out youre not doing too little.
if you can recover from training 6 days a week 6 days a week is better.
-
send me some cash over paypal and ill make that 545 squat reality in the gym and not just getting up from your sofa.
ok dave?
lame ::) so now everyone who disagrees with someone on a claim is Squadfather? you come off as such an expert well let's see the results.
-
epic avoidance of detail. i dont know everything, but i sure as hell know more than you do. the thing is that bodybuilding is plagued by pseudo experts such as yourself. and when the fundamentals of muscle growth are exposed you are exposed as well.
as for the second part, im not suprised you have no idea. but slaveboy knows.
all you ever do is keeping it simple stupid. or should i say because you ARE stupid you KEEP IT SIMPLE, you dont have any other choice.
and since you have a closed mind, youre not open to other ideas and others experience, which means you are unwilling to learn.
-
if you grow more from 12 sets then 12 sets is better. and if youre unsure - more is better, at least then you can rule out youre not doing too little.
if you can recover from training 6 days a week 6 days a week is better.
if you dont grow more from 12 sets compared to 6 sets. then 6 is better.
if you cant recover from 6 days a week then training less than 6 days a week is better.
more isnt better, less isnt better. progress is best.
-
all you ever do is keeping it simple stupid. or should i say because you ARE stupid you KEEP IT SIMPLE, you dont have any other choice.
and since you have a closed mind, youre not open to other ideas and others experience, which means you are unwilling to learn.
picking an isolated advice given to someone and trying to make it into a general truth.
and yes it often a good advice.
hey lets hide our ignorance behind esoteric superset routines instead of focusing on the things that matter. in other words your stupid because you hid behind the 'everyone is different' dogma.
tit for tat bluto. tit for tat.
-
if you dont grow more from 12 sets compared to 6 sets. then 6 is better.
if you cant recover from 6 days a week then training less than 6 days a week is better.
more isnt better, less isnt better. progress is best.
but since a lot is leading to that for HYPERTROPHY you need a lot of sets, more sets SEEMS to be better. more sets is better, at least it's not too few.
and if you dont go to failure, you can recover from 6 days a week. which means it's better.
more doesnt rule out progress. in fact more might be necessary for progress or at least speed up progress.
-
picking an isolated advice given to someone and trying to make it into a general truth.
and yes it often a good advice.
hey lets hide our ignorance behind esoteric superset routines instead of focusing on the things that matter. in other words your stupid because you hid behind the 'everyone is different' dogma.
tit for tat bluto. tit for tat.
as good as keeping it simple might be, it's also keeping it boring. and keeping a mind close. which is the last thing you wanna do on a bodybuilding board where you want to discuss.
to go to such place with the idea that only one way works, and you are the preacher of that way is a mistake.
it shows that you're more interested in preaching than discussing and learning.
-
but since a lot is leading to that for HYPERTROPHY you need a lot of sets, more sets SEEMS to be better. and since it's out in the opened - more sets is better, at least it's not too few.
and if you dont go to failure, you can recover from 6 days a week. which means it's better.
more doesnt rule out progress. in fact more might be necessary for progress or at least speed up progress.
na you need to do 'enough' sets. as your progress you may need to increase volume and/or weights etc..that is true.
and if you dont go to failure your not guaranteed to recover to workout 6 days a week. depends on many other factors. besides working out 6 days a week is not a magic number.
training should be results orientated not i like to do this and that orientated (within limits)
-
as good as keeping it simple might be, it's also keeping it boring. and keeping a mind close. which is the last thing you wanna do on a bodybuilding board where you want to discuss.
to go to such place with the idea that only one way works, and you are the preacher of that way is a mistake.
it shows that you're more interested in preaching than discussing and learning.
na its shows that im interested in what works.
also you dont realize that keeping things simple doesnt exclude me researching more advanced stuff. it just shows that advice have to be adapted to the person who is asking for advice and you have to look at what he is doing at this moment.
when you build a house you start with the foundation.
when the house is built you can focus on small details.
-
na its shows that im interested in what works.
also you dont realize that keeping things simple doesnt exclude me researching more advanced stuff. it just shows that advice have to be adapted to the person who is asking for advice and you have to look at what he is doing at this moment.
when you build a house you start with the foundation.
when the house is built you can focus on small details.
when should we expect that picture of you?
-
na you need to do 'enough' sets. as your progress you may need to increase volume and/or weights etc..that is true.
and if you dont go to failure your not guaranteed to recover to workout 6 days a week. depends on many other factors. besides working out 6 days a week is not a magic number.
training should be results orientated not i like to do this and that orientated (within limits)
but since we dont know exactly what is enough we're better off doing more than less.
and 6 days isnt a magic number, i posted that as a response to your 3 times a week. but if you can get away with training more often why not train more often.
i rather hit my legs 100 times a year than 50 times a year.
-
when should we expect that picture of you?
46 min after bluto posts his.
-
na its shows that im interested in what works.
also you dont realize that keeping things simple doesnt exclude me researching more advanced stuff. it just shows that advice have to be adapted to the person who is asking for advice and you have to look at what he is doing at this moment.
when you build a house you start with the foundation.
when the house is built you can focus on small details.
really. ive never seen you show any interest in anything other what you preach all the time which is basic add weight to the bar-stuff.
-
but since we dont know exactly what is enough we're better off doing more than less.
and 6 days isnt a magic number, i posted that as a response to your 3 times a week. but if you can get away with training more often why not train more often.
i rather hit my legs 100 times a year than 50 times a year.
not necessarily. its better to do as much as necessary to see progress. not use a shotgun approach. log what you do, and if your progressing...all is well. if not change things. dont let stuff like HIT vs high volume etc get in the way.
science has already told us alot about muscle growth. one of the big remaining questions that are left to discover is 'optimal volume'.
and optimal volume will certainly be different for different people and change depending to where in their training career they are.
and i agree hitting a muscle group 100 times per year is better than 50 as long as your recovering and weights are going up. (one reason being that protein synthesis is raised for approx 24 hours after a training session )
-
really. ive never seen you show any interest in anything other what you preach all the time which is basic add weight to the bar-stuff.
thats because most guys who were asking questions where trying to add finishing touches to their houses when they hadnt even built the foundation.
-
not necessarily. its better to do as much as necessary to see progress. not use a shotgun approach. log what you do, and if your progressing...all is well. if not change things. dont let stuff like HIT vs high volume etc get in the way.
science has already told as alot about muscle growth. one of the big remaining questions that are left to discover is 'optimal volume'.
and optimal volume will certainly be different for different people and change depending to where in their training career they are.
and i agree hitting a muscle group 100 times per year is better than 50 as long as your recovering and weights are going up. (one reason being that protein synthesis is raised for approx 24 hours after a training session )
you are correct dude... but your advice is correct for a natural trainee only...and majority of bb'ers are not natural... most serious bb'er are on at least some kind of prohormone(designer steroid), oral, low dose..ect ect...
all this stuf goes out the window for someone using drugs
but i agree actually with the whole "grab heavy thing lift heavy thing" repeat method for a natural..... even though its not what i ever did naturally..
-
thats because most guys who were asking questions where trying to add finishing touches to their houses when they hadnt even built the foundation.
Exactly - one of the reasons why I'm still tinytitted after years of pumping into every possible direction.
-
(http://galleries.adult-empire.com/56/5602/79/4.jpg)
-
not necessarily. its better to do as much as necessary to see progress. not use a shotgun approach. log what you do, and if your progressing...all is well. if not change things. dont let stuff like HIT vs high volume etc get in the way.
no all isnt well. what if you progress 50% when you could've progress 75% ? most log their strength increases, which doesnt necessarily mean theyre getting bigger, just stronger. which is good if youre into strength but not very good if youre into mass.
-
(http://galleries.maxxandmore.com/g/p/ph/08-07/03/i/15.jpg)
-
you are correct dude... but your advice is correct for a natural trainee only...and majority of bb'ers are not natural... most serious bb'er are on at least some kind of prohormone(designer steroid), oral, low dose..ect ect...
all this stuf goes out the window for someone using drugs
but i agree actually with the whole "grab heavy thing lift heavy thing" repeat method for a natural..... even though its not what i ever did naturally..
drugs change alot, but dont change everything.
even if your on drugs you should try to become stronger in order to drive muscle growth. your margin of error will be larger for sure. and to some extent you can increase dosages to drive growth too....... but to say that 'all this stuff goes out of the window' is ridiculous.
-
no all isnt well. what if you progress 50% when you could've progress 75% ? most log their strength increases, which doesnt necessarily mean theyre getting bigger, just stronger. which is good if youre into strength but not very good if youre into mass.
most people dont have to worry about rate of progress. they need to worry about progress.
-
drugs change alot, but dont change everything.
even if your on drugs you should try to become stronger in order to drive muscle growth. your margin of error will be larger for sure. and to some extent you can increase dosages to drive growth too....... but to say that 'all this stuff goes out of the window' is ridiculous.
no
drugs dramatically increase satellite cell response, they drasticallyt change blood volume, worrying about hormonal levels is a waste, worrying about "over training " by doing too many sets in one workout or staying in the gym for 2 hours... all thats out the window
the drug user can get fantastic results from volume training alone.. any kind of training really.
but of course, "lifting heavy" is still best for growth... drugged or not... but what you can do AFTER lifting hevay is out the window.. take "perfect" natural routine... (heavy weights reps 6-12 maybe 12 sets for a body part stressing basic heavy movements..) , then once thats over throw in an extra 20 sets to failure plus drop sets plus forced negatives plus everything you can think of ! ... and now you have an idea training session for a drug user....
thats why jay cutler is mr olympia.. (well, one of many reason)...because he is one of the few pro's who takes advantage of the way you can train on steroids.. him and gustavo do 30+ sets per body part going to failure multiple sets every exercise....
of course i think some imprrovements can still be made to what jay and gus do.. i never see them doing forced negatives and focusing on the eccentric portion of movements... thats HUGE !
-
no
drugs dramatically increase satellite cell response, they drasticallyt change blood volume, worrying about hormonal levels is a waste, worrying about "over training " by doing too many sets in one workout or staying in the gym for 2 hours... all thats out the window
the drug user can get fantastic results from volume training alone.. any kind of training really.
but of course, "lifting heavy" is still best for growth... drugged or not... but what you can do AFTER lifting hevay is out the window.. take "perfect" natural routine... (heavy weights reps 6-12 maybe 12 sets for a body part stressing basic heavy movements..) , then once thats over throw in an extra 20 sets to failure plus drop sets plus forced negatives plus everything you can think of ! ... and now you have an idea training session for a drug user....
thats why jay cutler is mr olympia.. (well, one of many reason)...because he is one of the few pro's who takes advantage of the way you can train on steroids.. him and gustavo do 30+ sets per body part going to failure multiple sets every exercise....
of course i think some imprrovements can still be made to what jay and gus do.. i never see them doing forced negatives and focusing on the eccentric portion of movements... thats HUGE !
your preaching to the choir.
which doesnt go against what i have been saying. so i think you need to stop arguing for the sake of arguing and start reading what other people post. and not use other peoples post as a vehicle to cut and paste stuff from google.
the jay cutler part is totally irrelevant. you need to start learning to processes information not just copy and paste it. there is a difference between being a info spreader and someone with knowledge. knowledge takes brain activity and you have to process the info.
in general a drug user will progress better on any routine compared to a natural.
and overtraining def doesnt go out of the window. when you use steroids it doesnt mean you have to jack up volume insanely. they may let you get away with it, but thats another question.
-
the jay cutler part is totally irrelevant. you need to start learning to processes information not just copy and paste it. there is a difference between being a info spreader and someone with knowledge. knowledge takes brain activity and you have to process the info.
no its not. and i am teaching YOU something here.
haha
keep your mind closed, slave. its okay, that way youll always feel good about yourself. "ignorance is bliss" you know. well, no, you dont know;;; youve never experienced anything other than this state of delusion where what you know is gold and everything ielse is copper. ;D
but i KNOW that you are happy and ocntent and think you know all that needs to be KNOWN, and i KNOW you think i dont KNOW anything at al, and i KNOW you are reaidn this post from the point of view that "this kid is retarded, who does he think he is, he doesnt have any kinf of knowledge, he is probably surfing gogle right now".. ;D
I would love to have your sense of well being and bliss (ignorance)
sadly my eyes are open :'(
-
no its not. and i am teaching YOU something here.
haha
keep your mind closed, slave. its okay, that way youll always feel good about yourself. "ignorance is bliss" you know. well, no, you dont know;;; youve never experienced anything other than this state of delusion where what you know is gold and everything ielse is copper. ;D
but i KNOW that you are happy and ocntent and think you know all that needs to be KNOWN, and i KNOW you think i dont KNOW anything at al, and i KNOW you are reaidn this post from the point of view that "this kid is retarded, who does he think he is, he doesnt have any kinf of knowledge, he is probably surfing gogle right now".. ;D
I would love to have your sense of well being and bliss (ignorance)
sadly my eyes are open :'(
meltodwn
if your eyes are so open why are you using steroids as a child? :D
-
because my eyes are open..
;)
19 is hardly a child
-
because my eyes are open..
;)
19 is hardly a child
lol is that what your mommy tells you so you can feel all grown up.
-
lol is that what your mommy tells you so you can feel all grown up.
no its what my psyhchologist tells me when i tell him "slave" calls me a child :D
-
just eat a lot train and sleep candi... :P
i do that and im happy :D
-
besides me ?
im talking animal in the gym
i once had people call an ambulance because they thought i would kill myself training !!!
What is the point of training "HARDEST"?
Why not train the "smartest"? Like a way that works in long run, gives results and makes you feel good and healthy?
-
no its what my psyhchologist tells me when i tell him "slave" calls me a child :D
hey why dont you solve that problems with more pills :D
-
hey why dont you solve that problems with more pills :D
pills?
pills?
nay
MUSHROOMS
:D
-
What is the point of training "HARDEST"?
Why not train the "smartest"? Like a way that works in long run, gives results and makes you feel good and healthy?
it's good anger management
-
Who on getbig.com is making progress ???
hard is always relative.....i donīt like people that much who always telling how hardcore they train......
-
i hate people who think cos they sweat the most and make most noise they traine the hardest. hell you can sweat skipping or doing push ups.
hard is relative.