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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: 240 is Back on January 03, 2007, 05:29:28 PM
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
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Because no one would willingly eat birdseeds as a meal.
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Because no one care what Alf has to say since using getbig as a springboard to his attempt at MD fame.
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because the principles themselves are obviously true. People only object because they don't like Adonis and he does his best to present them in an inflammatory way. Unfortunately for his detractors there are no solid arguments against the "principles."
Eat less, lose fat. Your muscle will be fine. You can still get stronger. Anybody who doesn't believe this can just try it for a few months and enjoy the easy results.
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In a caloric deficit you burn everything you eat, so it doesn't matter what the macro nutrients are.
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240 you are not too smart I see?
others have done the mcdonalds thing
others have eaten "worse" food and still cut...so explain to us what is so original about "his" theory?
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240 you are not too smart I see?
others have done the mcdonalds thing
others have eaten "worse" food and still cut...so explain to us what is so original about "his" theory?
yea but most people on this board are too close-minded and dumb to even consider it being possible.
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With all due respect, and remember I'm saying with all due respect, those principles aren't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on.
Seriously I would just rather wait until the next contest and when TA comes in looking like a big bag of ass there's your disproof.
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Its not anything new, most people dont do it because fatty foods take about 3 times as much to fill you up as the same amount of calories in clean carbs and protein, so you end up overeating unless you have a will of steel, so why bother making it harder for yourself?
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Getbiggers respond to advertising and bb mag propaganda....Adonis could popularize the "principles" with slicked out graphics and a big name spokesperson. Reason and rhetoric cannot overcome the ingrained prejudices of irrational idiots.
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With all due respect, and remember I'm saying with all due respect, those principles aren't worth a velvet painting of a whale and a dolphin getting it on.
Seriously I would just rather wait until the next contest and when TA comes in looking like a big bag of ass there's your disproof.
Too bad that will never happen. Bottom line is, the Adonis Principles work because they are backed by science. Tell us what about them is not scientifically justified...or try them for yourself and see if they don't work. Don't attack them for no reason.
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yea but most people on this board are too close-minded and dumb to even consider it being possible.
Bast everyone on here understands basic math..we just don't like TA
expend > consume = lost
burn more calories than you take in = lose weight.
did he invent math also?
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I think the dude does a good job of marketing himself. It may lead to something, especially if he ends up being the next "jared", the only drawback will be the nazi pics on this board.
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no Adonis didn't invent math but I bet if he came on here and said:
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA 2+2 = 4 it's too EASY!!!!!!!!
people would disagree with him.
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
let's look at this totally objectively. adonis was the most ripped, sure. do we have any reason to believe he ate mcdonald's and haagen daz to get there? not really. and sure his theories have been disproven. look at, say, layne norton. bigger and more ripped than adonis could ever hope to be, and a damn scientist with his diet/training.
his theories haven't actually been PROVEN. and he only got 2nd based on his conditioning, and we have no reason to believe he didn't diet strictly to get there (other than his word, which ain't worth much). he had less muscle than almost everyone in the contest. then to top it off he tinkered with his pictures until he shadowed them like crazy to show off as much "definition" as possible. in natural light he would look far less impressive.
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Too bad that will never happen. Bottom line is, the Adonis Principles work because they are backed by science. Tell us what about them is not scientifically justified...or try them for yourself and see if they don't work. Don't attack them for no reason.
my friend you have a lot to learn....there is no "best" principle. It is all about how your body responds to a practice
ectomorphs, meso.....we could spend all night talking about this
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let's look at this totally objectively. adonis was the most ripped, sure. do we have any reason to believe he ate mcdonald's and haagen daz to get there? not really. and sure his theories have been disproven. look at, say, layne norton. bigger and more ripped than adonis could ever hope to be, and a damn scientist with his diet/training.
his theories haven't actually been PROVEN. and he only got 2nd based on his conditioning, and we have no reason to believe he didn't diet strictly to get there (other than his word, which ain't worth much). he had less muscle than almost everyone in the contest. then to top it off he tinkered with his pictures until he shadowed them like crazy to show off as much "definition" as possible. in natural light he would look far less impressive.
your not looking at it objectively...don't kid yourself
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To date, he hasn't listed any "TA principals". So whats to disprove?
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Maybe no one's disproved his so called "principles" because no one cares. I sure don't.
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
i was in lebanon during this event, who won?
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One person could answer this, ANDY MIGIZI. Wonder what happened to that dancing machine?
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dieting isnt adonis problem. putting on muscle is. he probably should wait 4-5 years before he goes on a diet again. that's how long it'll take for him to add some serious mass.
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Seriously I would just rather wait until the next contest and when TA comes in looking like a big bag of ass there's your disproof.
He is "1 for 1" in eating junk food and showing up ripped. And he was fat as hell before he started.
You're saying we should disregard this proof, in favor of "disproof" which will come at a future date?
LOL... um????
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One person could answer this, ANDY MIGIZI. Wonder what happened to that dancing machine?
lol, massive heart attack from overdosing on cake and icecream
TA told an overly obese man to eat more junk food...brilliant
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my friend you have a lot to learn....there is no "best" principle. It is all about how your body responds to a practice
ectomorphs, meso.....we could spend all night talking about this
I never said you can't diet the traditional way and have success. The Adonis Principles are just much more enjoyable and you don't have you make yourself miserable; can you argue with this?
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lol, massive heart attack from overdosing on cake and icecream
TA told an overly obese man to eat more junk food...brilliant
He was losing weight and drinking beer and eating junk food though. He danced like 3 hours a night.
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He is "1 for 1" in eating junk food and showing up ripped. And he was fat as hell before he started.
You're saying we should disregard this proof, in favor of "disproof" which will come at a future date?
LOL... um????
eca/clen are powerful drugs
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He is "1 for 1" in eating junk food and showing up ripped. And he was fat as hell before he started.
You're saying we should disregard this proof, in favor of "disproof" which will come at a future date?
LOL... um????
so have you tried out the principles....I think if you put them to the test and got back to your letters to flex level of conditioning it would be big news.
too bad there's no money in eating less of whatever you want. Maybe we could design a powder that "helps" you to do it.
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240 you are not too smart I see?
others have done the mcdonalds thing
others have eaten "worse" food and still cut...so explain to us what is so original about "his" theory?
Has anyone ever lived on McDonalds and won a bodybuilding show?
Also - what "worse" foods have people eaten and still cut? Can you give us multiple examples (you said others) of people who have consumed food worse than McD and lost weight?
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dieting isnt adonis problem. putting on muscle is. he probably should wait 4-5 years before he goes on a diet again. that's how long it'll take for him to add some serious mass.
You can't expect him to put on too much muscle so quickly when he is natural. He also has very long limbs which makes his muscle appear somewhat flat in certain poses. Also, he is very lean, so what you are seeing is true muscle, not muscle that is bloated with water and surrounded by fat.
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You can't expect him to put on too much muscle so quickly when he is natural. He also has very long limbs which makes his muscle appear somewhat flat in certain poses. Also, he is very lean, so what you are seeing is true muscle, not muscle that is bloated with water and surrounded by fat.
4-5 years is considered so quickly?
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Has anyone ever lived on McDonalds and won a bodybuilding show?
Also - what "worse" foods have people eaten and still cut? Can you give us multiple examples (you said others) of people who have consumed food worse than McD and lost weight?
Johnnie Jackson in his off-season.
Adonis may have gotten lean but genetics are not on his side and he will never be more then a wannabe swimmer hating on bodybuilders bigger then him.
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so have you tried out the principles....I think if you put them to the test and got back to your letters to flex level of conditioning it would be big news.
too bad there's no money in eating less of whatever you want. Maybe we could design a powder that "helps" you to do it.
You make a good point. The "powers that be" in the BBing insdustry sell powder at high prices. And it is a multi-million dollar industry.
If Adonis was able to prove - with himself, then others - that hiscalorie deficit model was more effective and efficient than any supplement or traditional food plan, you would have a lot of very rich people suddenly looking for work.
Motive for a supplement company rep (maybe even one who has admitted in the past to saying what he is told because that's what everyone does) to disparage TA's theories automatically without evaluating them for merit?
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Has anyone ever lived on McDonalds and won a bodybuilding show?
Also - what "worse" foods have people eaten and still cut? Can you give us multiple examples (you said others) of people who have consumed food worse than McD and lost weight?
what is is you think mcdonalds food has that's so bad for either building muscle or cutting?
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Let's not forget he was trying to get paid to use someone's supplements after his Mr. Getbig showing. This only weeks after stating that all supplements were crap.
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Johnnie Jackson in his off-season.
JJ loves his sprite!
I could be wrong - but I believe TA advocates using fast/junk food up til show day. This school of thought, while certainly in violation of traditional BBing norms, could - if it worked - be the story of 2007, easily. A return to the Mentzer principles with a controversial new model of success.
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You make a good point. The "powers that be" in the BBing insdustry sell powder at high prices. And it is a multi-million dollar industry.
If Adonis was able to prove - with himself, then others - that hiscalorie deficit model was more effective and efficient than any supplement or traditional food plan, you would have a lot of very rich people suddenly looking for work.
Motive for a supplement company rep (maybe even one who has admitted in the past to saying what he is told because that's what everyone does) to disparage TA's theories automatically without evaluating them for merit?
And 9/11 was a conspiracy right? You can't be that much of a tool Rob.
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JJ loves his sprite!
I could be wrong - but I believe TA advocates using fast/junk food up til show day. This school of thought, while certainly in violation of traditional BBing norms, could - if it worked - be the story of 2007, easily. A return to the Mentzer principles with a controversial new model of success.
How about an actual bodybuilder try this; opposed to a guy who has yet to step on a bodybuilding stage?
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How about an actual bodybuilder try this; opposed to a guy who has yet to step on a bodybuilding stage?
Most guys on here haven't and don't want to step on stage.
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what is is you think mcdonalds food has that's so bad for either building muscle or cutting?
I'm just learning about the theories, I am certianly not qualified to make any assessment, good or bad. I just wanted to know why this theory hasn't been quickly disproved.
if TA came on the board tomrorow and said the sky was green, someone would post a pic of a blue sky followed by UV information proving him wrong. If he came out and said he planned to bench 1200 by 2008, he would quickly disproven by others using records, tendon strength models, and empirical records of the progress of others and the plateaus as one nears limits.
But he's been talking about this theory for months now - his only example being a very ripped himself - and no one among this great group of obviously motivated people has been able to prove him wrong.
Me just curious, that's all :)
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4-5 years is considered so quickly?
No, I didn't mean that. You just said that putting on muscle was his problem, not dieting. I am simply stating that you can't compare him to those who are using gear. When you compare him even to top naturals, he has some decent size. I am sure he will be able to add more muscle in coming years and fill out his frame even more. However, there is not reason why he needs to "bulk up" and gain fat to do this.
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actually icecream, mcdonalds etc would be more expensive than protein powders.
supplements isnt expensive if you stay with what works and is just food. it's the super-pills kinda stuff that's expensive. protein, creatine etc is not.
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And 9/11 was a conspiracy right? You can't be that much of a tool Rob.
Do you think the use of political insults will shield you from the burden of proving Adonis' principles wrong?
You have the most motive in the world to embarass him after he embarassed you in front of the BBing world. perhaps you would like to tackle the Adonis principle instead of insulting me for asking a BBing nutrition question.
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Why is anyone putting any stock into this? And what "Adonis principles"...this method has been around for years. Dr. M. DePasquale used it with the WBF BBers to less than steller results.
BTW...shouldn't Adonis have to PROVE his diet works before anyone has to DIS-PROVE them?
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How about an actual bodybuilder try this; opposed to a guy who has yet to step on a bodybuilding stage?
LIFT,
Are you saying the men who enter the MD Cyber Classic aren't "Actual bodybuilders"?
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Most everyone criticizing his physique have never posted pics.
what do you think these guys look like? :-X
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No, I didn't mean that. You just said that putting on muscle was his problem, not dieting. I am simply stating that you can't compare him to those who are using gear. When you compare him even to top naturals, he has some decent size. I am sure he will be able to add more muscle in coming years and fill out his frame even more. However, there is not reason why he needs to "bulk up" and gain fat to do this.
i said he need to be focused on putting on muscle, not to diet down to 3 percent or whatever number he picks. and i said it would take 4-5 years BECAUSE he's natural i use that big time frame.
not once have i said anything about bulking up.
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No-one here has a problem with understanding that no matter what you eat - as long as you're running a caloric deficit - you will lose weight. What we have a problem with is Adonis deliberately falsifying a great deal of the advice he gives others here so that he can manipulate people. If you believe he went from a largely overweight state to very low body fat by eating nothing but junk food, then you probably believe the deadlift claims on here too. It’s a pity he acts this way because I think he’s actually got himself in really decent shape; his brain just hasn’t caught up with his body yet. He does himself a disservice in this way, just like his feud with DA and other out-there claims.
Rob, I think you know better than to believe him too, although like someone else mentioned – he hasn’t actually given any firm evidence that he lives like he wants everyone else to believe.
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Do you think the use of political insults will shield you from the burden of proving Adonis' principles wrong?
You have the most motive in the world to embarass him after he embarassed you in front of the BBing world. perhaps you would like to tackle the Adonis principle instead of insulting me for asking a BBing nutrition question.
Why would I ruin myself using a bullshit made up principle? How was I embarrassed again in this made up world? Your the one with naked pics of your fat ass self popping up on this board from time to time. You try it yourself if you are so curious fat boy.
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LIFT,
Are you saying the men who enter the MD Cyber Classic aren't "Actual bodybuilders"?
Depends on what your definition of a "Bodybuilder" is. We have yet to see who are entering but any bodybuilder who enters that contest should have no problem stepping on stage.
Adonis wouldn't accept a challenge from Vince to get on stage.
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i said he need to be focused on putting on muscle, not to diet down to 3 percent or whatever number he picks. and i said it would take 4-5 years BECAUSE he's natural i use that big time frame.
not once have i said anything about bulking up.
Good point; I just misunderstood what you were saying.
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I'm just learning about the theories, I am certianly not qualified to make any assessment, good or bad. I just wanted to know why this theory hasn't been quickly disproved.
if TA came on the board tomrorow and said the sky was green, someone would post a pic of a blue sky followed by UV information proving him wrong. If he came out and said he planned to bench 1200 by 2008, he would quickly disproven by others using records, tendon strength models, and empirical records of the progress of others and the plateaus as one nears limits.
But he's been talking about this theory for months now - his only example being a very ripped himself - and no one among this great group of obviously motivated people has been able to prove him wrong.
Me just curious, that's all :)
well you can pack on muscle or lose weight on any diet. call it mcdonalds, burger king, pizza hut or whatever.
most people would get in shape by just becoming vegetarians. that would cut your total calories in half the first day and forever after that.
when someone who needs 4000 calories to stay fat ends up at 2000 calories, he stops being fat.
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Why is anyone putting any stock into this? And what "Adonis principles"...this method has been around for years. Dr. M. DePasquale used it with the WBF BBers to less than steller results.
Interesting. I will research him.
BTW...shouldn't Adonis have to PROVE his diet works before anyone has to DIS-PROVE them?
Adonis achieved a pretty decent level of muscularity using this diet, and he posted pics. Is there a level of proof beyond pictures you require? Video?
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Why would I ruin myself using a bullshit made up principle? How was I embarrassed again in this made up world? Your the one with naked pics of your fat ass self popping up on this board from time to time. You try it yourself if you are so curious fat boy.
Name calling - nice response to a legitimate question.
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Good point; I just misunderstood what you were saying.
no problem. basically i think most people that saw adonis thought his condition was fine. if anything they thought he could use some more muscle.. where as adonis seems to be more interested in getting his condition even "better" by dropping to an even lower bodyfat percentage.
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Depends on what your definition of a "Bodybuilder" is. We have yet to see who are entering but any bodybuilder who enters that contest should have no problem stepping on stage.
Adonis wouldn't accept a challenge from Vince to get on stage.
what kind of man would you be if you did a bodybuilding show just because someone from a forum challenged you, when you don't even care about competing. ???
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I'm just learning about the theories, I am certianly not qualified to make any assessment, good or bad. I just wanted to know why this theory hasn't been quickly disproved.
if TA came on the board tomrorow and said the sky was green, someone would post a pic of a blue sky followed by UV information proving him wrong. If he came out and said he planned to bench 1200 by 2008, he would quickly disproven by others using records, tendon strength models, and empirical records of the progress of others and the plateaus as one nears limits.
But he's been talking about this theory for months now - his only example being a very ripped himself - and no one among this great group of obviously motivated people has been able to prove him wrong.
Me just curious, that's all :)
A bunch of reasons:
1 He could be completely full of shit about what he ate
2 He could be on any number of fat burning supplements/drugs
3 The "principles" .......if he did actually use them, are nothing new. Calories in/Calories out is older than me.
4 I'm not impressed with the results no matter what he actually did, he looked emaciated.
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Name calling - nice response to a legitimate question.
He is simply stupid. Brutal lack of reasoning ability.
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His theory is wrong because you need protein to grow and maintain muscle. If your stuffing your face with doughnuts and fries you will not get enough protein with out coming out of this calorie defecit and entering fat boy mode. He came out ripped but from looking at past pictures he lost a lot of muscle despite what he might think.
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I just want to see his theory proven or disproven.
I believe he's said that macros matter not, and that there are no minimal requirements of protein or carbs for BBing success. This should be an easy one to tackle. True or false?
I've been hearing about this theory for the last 6-8 months on here, I've seen pics of TA going from 30% BF to 3% with veins popping out everywhere. If it's BS, we have the best collection of minds in the BBing world here. Show us why it's BS. That's all i am asking.
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His theory is wrong because you need protein to grow and maintain muscle. If your stuffing your face with doughnuts and fries you will not get enough protein with out coming out of this calorie defecit and entering fat boy mode. He came out ripped but from looking at past pictures he lost a lot of muscle despite what he might think.
Interesting point. Cool to see a discussion forming.
LIFT you said Johnny jackson lived on fast food while offseason (presumably gaining muscle) -
do you know if he had a minimal protein # that he reached each day?
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I just want to see his theory proven or disproven.
I believe he's said that macros matter not, and that there are no minimal requirements of protein or carbs for BBing success. This should be an easy one to tackle. True or false?
I've been hearing about this theory for the last 6-8 months on here, I've seen pics of TA going from 30% BF to 3% with veins popping out everywhere. If it's BS, we have the best collection of minds in the BBing world here. Show us why it's BS. That's all i am asking.
yeah there's a minimal requirements of protein but it's lower than most people think and recommend. carbs depends but you need to get a certain amount of daily calories so you cant go low on both protein and carbs, then all you would have left would be fat to build on.
if ta was 30% bf it was because he ate a lot of calories. when he cut his calories in half he started to drop in bodyfat. the key is to do that and not lose a lot of muscle mass in the process. (asuming you have some to begin with and is not just a lard ass)
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TA made a good point when he talked about how we unnecessarily divide everything up into 24 hour days. One day you might get 80 grams of protein, the next 300, it doesn't matter.
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I just want to see his theory proven or disproven.
I believe he's said that macros matter not, and that there are no minimal requirements of protein or carbs for BBing success. This should be an easy one to tackle. True or false?
bbing success ??? ROB ,How many shows did he win
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Interesting point. Cool to see a discussion forming.
LIFT you said Johnny jackson lived on fast food while offseason (presumably gaining muscle) -
do you know if he had a minimal protein # that he reached each day?
No clue.
Read the thread on Mayhem as I believe it was Larry Pepe who interviewed him and wrote on his offseason diet.
Meal 1 12 Donuts (6 glazed,6 choclate), bottle of sprite
Meal 2 McDonalds - Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3 eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 5 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44551
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No clue.
Read the thread on Mayhem as I believe it was Larry Pepe who interviewed him and wrote on his offseason diet.
Meal 1 12 Donuts (6 glazed,6 choclate), bottle of sprite
Meal 2 McDonalds - Steak bagel meal, bottle of sprite
Meal 3 eggs, potatoes, pancakes
Meal 4 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 5 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
Meal 6 McDonalds - 2 quarter pounders with cheese, fries, 2 apple pies, sprite
http://www.musclemayhem.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44551
That is incredible! No shakes either? JJ is pretty much the epitome of the this diet. I wonder how high his BF% got?
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Has anyone ever lived on McDonalds and won a bodybuilding show?
The problem is Adonis won't enter a bodybuilding show. I'm not saying the Mr. Getbig wasn't a bodybuilding show but he wouldn't do one where he can't control the variables (i.e. lighting & such). He'll go to one but won't enter one.
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I just want to see his theory proven or disproven.
I believe he's said that macros matter not, and that there are no minimal requirements of protein or carbs for BBing success. This should be an easy one to tackle. True or false?
I've been hearing about this theory for the last 6-8 months on here, I've seen pics of TA going from 30% BF to 3% with veins popping out everywhere. If it's BS, we have the best collection of minds in the BBing world here. Show us why it's BS. That's all i am asking.
I would say if you eat cheeseburgers and fish sandwiches from McD's every day you are getting plenty of protein, so his macros would be somewhat in order regardless.
If he truly believes macros are irrelevant and only cals matter, he could just eat only the fries FOREVER and still look good right?
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Adonis achieved a pretty decent level of muscularity using this diet, and he posted pics. Is there a level of proof beyond pictures you require? Video?
I'm not saying he did or didn't eat what he said but we really don't know. All we've seen are a few pics of him eating ice cream & such. We don't if that was/is an everyday thing.
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The mere fact we're all here debating this will only coerce him to write even more mistruths in the future. Damn poetic justice. :(
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Call me silly, uneducated or just down-right ignorant, but since when did restricting your caloric intake whilst indulging on any type of food your heart desires become known as the 'Adonis Principals'? Simply not being weak-willed with a sweet tooth? He is the epitome of a scrub, followed second only to 240. How do you guys actually given credence to his statements, when they are merely taken from someone older, wiser and with ultimately a boat-load of more experience than he has?
Do you guys really just jump on any bandwagon that caters to your lack of will and diligence, just so you can eat unhealthy foods? Bodybuilders, eh? Quite the irony.
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if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
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how about a only '' beer'' diet
I like that idea...
...let's see a bottle of Miller Lite as about 100 calories & I need 3500 calories day so that's 35 beers a day.
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The mere fact we're all here debating this will only coerce him to write even more mistruths in the future. Damn poetic justice. :(
I have to agree with you.
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if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
because you'll feel a lot better eating food of course, plus you need it to maintain muscle.
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got lean yes,does he have the genetic's to grow bigger,if he claim's to be that ripped on fast food and not getting bigger c'mon,not enough proper nutrient's for the long haul to support a total junk food diet .muscle need's calories yes to grow,but need's clean also,his gene's are not so special to support this diet and grow.he's a ecto with endo thrown in,he was fat smooth before his crazy theories.
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I like that idea...
...let's see a bottle of Miller Lite as about 100 calories & I need 3500 calories day so that's 35 beers a day.
exactly ,and Miller Lite can sponsor you also ;)
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He is "1 for 1" in eating junk food and showing up ripped. And he was fat as hell before he started.
You're saying we should disregard this proof, in favor of "disproof" which will come at a future date?
LOL... um????
Extra cardio? Great genetics? Who knows. Like I said ... let's wait and see. But it has to be made up somewhere.
Challenge decades of bbing mantra all you want. I don't see this guy taking anything by storm here.
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because you'll feel a lot better eating food of course, plus you need it to maintain muscle.
I feel like shit when I eat Mc Donalds
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Let's not forget he was trying to get paid to use someone's supplements after his Mr. Getbig showing.
I was not aware of this. Got any info or a link?
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got lean yes,does he have the genetic's to grow bigger,if he claim's to be that ripped on fast food and not getting bigger c'mon,not enough proper nutrient's for the long haul to support a total junk food diet .muscle need's calories yes to grow,but need's clean also,his gene's are not so special to support this diet and grow.he's a ecto with endo thrown in,he was fat smooth before his crazy theories.
That's why I don't really care to even know what his principles are.
He went from "big and fat" to "small and skinny", completely bypassing "full and ripped".
Anyone can do that
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exactly ,and Miller Lite can sponsor you also ;)
The problem is I prefer Guinness over Miller Lite.
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What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
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What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
See, this is where you finally let us all know exactly how full of shit you are.
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I've seen that secret detail he's talking about. It's pretty out there but logically it makes sense
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Let's not forget he was trying to get paid to use someone's supplements after his Mr. Getbig showing. This only weeks after stating that all supplements were crap.
You are an idiot.
I wanted to show how worthless the supplements are.
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You are an idiot.
I wanted to show how worthless the supplements are.
if so have u ever used supplement's and to what degree and how long.
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His theory is wrong because you need protein to grow and maintain muscle. If your stuffing your face with doughnuts and fries you will not get enough protein with out coming out of this calorie defecit and entering fat boy mode. He came out ripped but from looking at past pictures he lost a lot of muscle despite what he might think.
Then where is this "lost" muscle now?
hahahahah
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Then where is this "lost" muscle now?
hahahahah
Not on your frame ;)
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if a calorie is just a calorie ,how about a only '' beer'' diet
That works just fine.
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You are an idiot.
I wanted to show how worthless the supplements are.
well that's easy. i only buy 'em because they're economical. a tub of weight gainer from gnc gives me 14 740 calorie servings for around $30 (less when there's a deal going). that means i pay at most $2 a serving for a pretty solid calorie amount with a desirable ratio going. that's cheap as hell.
now, meaning this 100% genuinely, how do you determine someone's metabolism? you said you can determine things down to the minute, and that's a pretty integral part. how do you do that?
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well that's easy. i only buy 'em because they're economical. a tub of weight gainer from gnc gives me 14 740 calorie servings for around $30 (less when there's a deal going). that means i pay at most $2 a serving for a pretty solid calorie amount with a desirable ratio going. that's cheap as hell.
now, meaning this 100% genuinely, how do you determine someone's metabolism? you said you can determine things down to the minute, and that's a pretty integral part. how do you do that?
weight gainer tastes like shit though.
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weight gainer tastes like shit though.
that i can agree with. :-\
but still, working on a budget it makes a pretty good no-brainer meal once a day after the workout. and if you're really cheap, those 10lb bags of straight whey last for friggin' forever.
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well that's easy. i only buy 'em because they're economical. a tub of weight gainer from gnc gives me 14 740 calorie servings for around $30 (less when there's a deal going). that means i pay at most $2 a serving for a pretty solid calorie amount with a desirable ratio going. that's cheap as hell.
now, meaning this 100% genuinely, how do you determine someone's metabolism? you said you can determine things down to the minute, and that's a pretty integral part. how do you do that?
Like your fucking fat delusional ass needs anymore easy calories.
Someone should lock the fridge, blindfold you, and put you in the Gobi desert and make your gay ass hunt some Zebra with your bare hands. Perhaps then you will actually look less pathetic.
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Like your fucking fat delusional ass needs anymore easy calories.
Someone should lock the fridge, blindfold you, and put you in the Gobi desert and make your gay ass hunt some Zebra with your bare hands. Perhaps then you will actually look less pathetic.
whoa, someone got up on the wrong side of their race car bed. :-X
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skeletor is on a rampage lol
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I hate to say this ,but the Adonis principles really works :-X
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I hate to say this ,but the Adonis principles really works :-X
i saw a brief documentary on him a while ago, the dude is crazy. and he actually eats clean (aside from the hot dogs), he just eats a shit-ton of food.
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Kobayashi has more muscle than you whateva in the low 160s, and he's shorter than you.
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that's eryk bui's long lost brother :)
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Prolly cause nobody gives a f**k if adonis is fukin up his body. But I have to give him credit for sticking to his "guns" and not givin a dam what others think. ;)
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Kobayashi has more muscle than you whateva in the low 160s, and he's shorter than you.
no he doesn't
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In actuality I respect Adonis for trying to go against the grain in the bodybuilding world. However, I think he's going to extremes but that's his choice. Last year I started doing things diet wise that don't go along with "traditional" bodybuilding wisdom.
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Adonis is using his "principles" as an excuse to turn back into a fat boy.
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
Because they are correct. The amount of food you eat is the biggest factor in terms of losing/gaining fat.
In terms of protein, the amount of protein needed to gain muscle is MUCH smaller than people think. Muscle is 70%+ water, not protein.
But someone who has been consumed with bodybuilding for a number of years would have a difficult time adjusting.
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I'm going to have to jump in on this. Okay I agree with the principle of calories in should be less than calories out to cut up. But from a nutrition standpoint are your muscles going to grow on a 3500 calorie a day diet made of Krispy Kremes, and your bodyfat lower while you cardio your fat ass off? No, you're going to look like a bag of crap. Your body needs certain nutrients for every day processes such as bone and muscle repair/growth, vitamin processing and absorption, etc...a calorie in is not necessarily a calorie...If this concept of his was true I could eat 5 or 6 Krispy Kreme's every day while dieting and win shows. Please prove this to me so I can change the diet my trainer has me on!!!
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Call me silly, uneducated or just down-right ignorant, but since when did restricting your caloric intake whilst indulging on any type of food your heart desires become known as the 'Adonis Principals'? Simply not being weak-willed with a sweet tooth? He is the epitome of a scrub, followed second only to 240. How do you guys actually given credence to his statements, when they are merely taken from someone older, wiser and with ultimately a boat-load of more experience than he has?
Do you guys really just jump on any bandwagon that caters to your lack of will and diligence, just so you can eat unhealthy foods? Bodybuilders, eh? Quite the irony.
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
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OMG!!! I'm in!!! I have two National level shows to do this year and I want the magic!!!! Thanks az...love ya girl...!!
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I'm going to have to jump in on this. Okay I agree with the principle of calories in should be less than calories out to cut up. But from a nutrition standpoint are your muscles going to grow on a 3500 calorie a day diet made of Krispy Kremes, and your bodyfat lower while you cardio your fat ass off? No, you're going to look like a bag of crap. Your body needs certain nutrients for every day processes such as bone and muscle repair/growth, vitamin processing and absorption, etc...a calorie in is not necessarily a calorie...If this concept of his was true I could eat 5 or 6 Krispy Kreme's every day while dieting and win shows. Please prove this to me so I can change the diet my trainer has me on!!!
You sure can.
Want me to post my diet logs?
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JJ loves his sprite!
I could be wrong - but I believe TA advocates using fast/junk food up til show day. This school of thought, while certainly in violation of traditional BBing norms, could - if it worked - be the story of 2007, easily. A return to the Mentzer principles with a controversial new model of success.
Interesting how an article mentions a single instance of Mentzer eating an ice cream cone while others were dieting for a show and it turns into a "Mentzer Principle". Bah.
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In a caloric deficit you burn everything you eat, so it doesn't matter what the macro nutrients are.
Great post.
That sums it up.
-Hedge
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That is incredible! No shakes either? JJ is pretty much the epitome of the this diet. I wonder how high his BF% got?
Take a look at his guest posing pics and you'll have a pretty good idea.
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I just want to see his theory proven or disproven.
I believe he's said that macros matter not, and that there are no minimal requirements of protein or carbs for BBing success. This should be an easy one to tackle. True or false?
I've been hearing about this theory for the last 6-8 months on here, I've seen pics of TA going from 30% BF to 3% with veins popping out everywhere. If it's BS, we have the best collection of minds in the BBing world here. Show us why it's BS. That's all i am asking.
What are your business involvement with TA?
-Hedge
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You sure can.
Want me to post my diet logs?
Yes please. I want to prove to my trainer (who has been a trainer to many pros) Noel Fuller exhusband of Nikki Fuller that I may eat Krispy Kremes and win shows. I would rather eat donuts 6 times a day than chicken.
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
I know allready how much I can eat. What'd you think? That I was eating 6000 calories a day when all i needed was 3500? i dont see your point. is there one? who gives a shit about bodyfat percentage. i rather use the mirror. you think anyone cares if im 3,4,5, or 6% bf ?
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Go into your backyard and dig a hole using a coffee cup.
Now dig another hole using a shovel. Which was easier?
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Go into your backyard and dig a hole using a coffee cup.
Now dig another hole using a shovel. Which was easier?
I think on the next one he should use his teeth..
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
If you can do this, start writing your nobel prize speech. Mathematicians and statisticians will be discussing your training experience variable in your formula for years. An exact amount of food you can eat, for anyone, before you gain a gram of fat...you'll be the most famous person in America, congratulations.
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Sure all this may work for a scrappy young fella such as Adonis in the short term. What about the long term effects on eating this way? Donuts, McDonalds, Ice Cream - sounds more like a path to the an early grave.
If you live to see 50, my guess is you'll look worse then Craig Titus strapped to a chair in Las Vegas jail raid.
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Sure all this may work for a scrappy young fella such as Adonis in the short term. What about the long term effects on eating this way? Donuts, McDonalds, Ice Cream - sounds more like a path to the an early grave.
If you live to see 50, my guess is you'll look worse then Craig Titus strapped to a chair in Las Vegas jail raid.
well they dont care about that. if you gonna eat a lot of calories might as well eat as good calories as possible.
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Why should I personally disprove him. There are volumes and volumes in the library you can read as well as case studies. You will get sick, you will harden you're arteries, you will live less longer on MCD. Where's the vitamins and minerals? For temporary, its ok, but for long term.... You will get colon cancer with no fiber, and other diseases from no antioxidents ect. He said nothing about taking vitamins or other supplements if I'm correct.
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No one cares enough to disprove Adam...Nor does anyone want to have a f'up body like Adam does...
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Look, this cock sucker 240 is sucking TA's cock real hard these days.
You would think that he would apply such methods himself and show us.
this is the same fucker that back out of training for the mr.getbig because of work. No one else but him has that problem ::)
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steele, you have a hardon for me nonstop in posts.
chill the fk out. i can't possibly be that important to you, can i?
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Has Adonis posted the "principles" yet? ??? From what i guess it involves eating all junk food but in so little quantities that you are actually in a calorie deficit and lose weight but in the process clog up your arteries and raise your cholesterol.
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im on a mcdonalds, burger king and pizza hut diet myself. thinking of it, im heading for burger king right now!
catch you guys later
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Has Adonis posted the "principles" yet? ??? From what i guess it involves eating all junk food but in so little quantities that you are actually in a calorie deficit and lose weight but in the process clog up your arteries and raise your cholesterol.
that is so not true...his formula involves sprinkling pixy dust on junk food to eliminate all negative effects.
also this pixy dust creates a condition called "mother fucker gone crazy"
....this can be witnesses by a white male prancing around in a "gravity suit" while curling 10lb for 2 hours.
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adonis looked his best in this picture:
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Has Adonis posted the "principles" yet? ??? From what i guess it involves eating all junk food but in so little quantities that you are actually in a calorie deficit and lose weight but in the process clog up your arteries and raise your cholesterol.
yeah but you feel great 'cause you don't have to eat tuna, egg whites, broccoli and all that other crap.
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yeah but you feel great 'cause you don't have to eat tuna, egg whites, broccoli and all that other crap.
I wouldn't consider a spicy tuna fish to be "crap".
What is wrong with a good steak, egg white and home fries after a heavy work out?
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Look, this cock sucker 240 is sucking TA's cock real hard these days.
You would think that he would apply such methods himself and show us.
this is the same fucker that back out of training for the mr.getbig because of work. No one else but him has that problem ::)
Just ask 240 or Bust what business involvement he has with TA.
-Hedge
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Just ask 240 or Bust what business involvement he has with TA.
-Hedge
Hedge, are you insinuating that 240 has a vested interest in TA online activities (website and other deals)? and so his credibility is shot and he could be biased?
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Go into your backyard and dig a hole using a coffee cup.
Now dig another hole using a shovel. Which was easier?
Exactly.
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I wouldn't consider a spicy tuna fish to be "crap".
What is wrong with a good steak, egg white and home fries after a heavy work out?
I agree. I love steak, chicken, sweet potatoes, and who says vegetables have to be disgusting? Just have to know how to cook and not make tasteless food. Cook like shit and you shall eat shit :)
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because the principles themselves are obviously true. People only object because they don't like Adonis and he does his best to present them in an inflammatory way. Unfortunately for his detractors there are no solid arguments against the "principles."
Eat less, lose fat. Your muscle will be fine. You can still get stronger. Anybody who doesn't believe this can just try it for a few months and enjoy the easy results.
This is a lie. I've proven them wrong and that there is no evidence that supports Adonis clam that his junk food diet works. When I questioned him on his so-callled principles, he refused to answer, making his 'junk food diet' harder to understand and harder to prove that it works.
For the last time until Adonis comes full circle on all the answers needed to complete his 'diet', his principles are false.
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adonis looked his best in this picture:
He was pretty muscular and in good condition here but he dieted it all away in the Mr. Getbig. It looks like he lost 10-15 quality lbs.
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Just ask 240 or Bust what business involvement he has with TA.
-Hedge
Come on Hedge...explain that a little more.
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He was pretty muscular and in good condition here but he dieted it all away in the Mr. Getbig. It looks like he lost 10-15 quality lbs.
yes apparantely he thinks it's more important to reach as low bf as possible rather than as large percentage of muscle as possible. too bad
he should've stayed at the size in that picture and made it a goal to put on more mass while keeping fat in check so he doesnt blow up
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true adonis principles have been disproven by me twice in earlier posts...or maybe disproven isnt the right word as calorie deficit without regard to what your eating will result in weight loss..but common sense tells you to eat foods that fill you up and contain enough protein to minimixe muscle loss during diet, also your internal organs will be greatful if you eat relatively clean. (you dont have to be obessed tho...)
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Just ask 240 or Bust what business involvement he has with TA.
-Hedge
Fine since you won't explain I'll ask:
Rob, What's you business involvement if any with TA?
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Fine since you won't explain I'll ask:
Rob, What's you business involvement if any with TA?
that was your 4000th post! :o
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that was your 4000th post! :o
No, it was 3999 I put 4000 on the Steroid forum in the Locker Room thread.
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No, it was 3999 I put 4000 on the Steroid forum in the Locker Room thread.
oh >:(
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oh >:(
We can pretend like it was if you want.
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because the principles themselves are obviously true. People only object because they don't like Adonis and he does his best to present them in an inflammatory way. Unfortunately for his detractors there are no solid arguments against the "principles."
Eat less, lose fat. Your muscle will be fine. You can still get stronger. Anybody who doesn't believe this can just try it for a few months and enjoy the easy results.
It's not that, I have no agenda with TA one way or the other. It's just that's an unhealthy way to eat. All the saturated fat and hydrogenated oils, how can you stay healthy, never mind riped eating fast food?
Remember this.http://www.supersizeme.com/home.aspx?page=aboutmovie It almost killed him. I get soft when eating that shlt for more than 1 meal.
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I'm just learning about the theories, I am certianly not qualified to make any assessment, good or bad. I just wanted to know why this theory hasn't been quickly disproved.
if TA came on the board tomrorow and said the sky was green, someone would post a pic of a blue sky followed by UV information proving him wrong. If he came out and said he planned to bench 1200 by 2008, he would quickly disproven by others using records, tendon strength models, and empirical records of the progress of others and the plateaus as one nears limits.
But he's been talking about this theory for months now - his only example being a very ripped himself - and no one among this great group of obviously motivated people has been able to prove him wrong.
Me just curious, that's all :)
are you dumber then a bag of shit? calorie deficit equals weight loss no matter what the macro nutrients. we all posted papers long ago about optimal macronutrient content for muscle preservation etc. try eating no essential fatty acids and get back to me in a month. more protein equals positive nitrogen balance=more muscle=less catabolism. if you disagree your clearly a moron who has never trained.
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slow down -
I presented his theory and asked why it hasn't been disproved. I have also been asking him about limits (for instance, are 1900 calories of marshmallows a day acceptable). I've been asking simply for the greatest minds in the business to tell us why it doesn't work.
So far, I heard chic say that precontest hi fat didn't work in WBF.
I hear LIFT say JoJ used McD offseason. Pics showed him to be fat but he made substantial muscle gains that year too I believe.
I have heard some say there are health concerns longterm.
I don't know the diff when using TA diet on natty vs. users.
I never said the TA principles were for me. I haven't found yet what works. Personally, I know what works for me at wrokout times (mrp 30 min before, mrp during, and heavy fish meal afterwards). It's like those 4 hours of the day I am the strongest and I feel this is working. Also I am developing breakfast now. So re-read my words- I am not selling anything here - I am actually inviting people to disprove TA's theories. So far I've heard a few good angles and 30 insults. Come on fellahs... why does it work, or why doesn't it work, to reach bodybuilding goals. thanks!
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
Because life is about what tastes good!
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Hey Rob, are you in business with TA?
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Hey Rob, are you in business bed with TA?
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It's funny that anyone who knows how to cook can make healthy and muscle building foods that taste better than fast food to me. The more creative you can be, the better you will know how to spice up that tasteless chicken breast or even a can of tuna. If you can't cook, learn or get a girl who can. Eating clean is easy and even taste better than being at the mercy of restaurant food. You'll never get to the top in bodybuilding unless good nutrition is a big part of your plan. I'd eat tree bark, if it put on muscle, but for most, if it doesn't taste good, they won't stick with it long.
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TA says he's getting ripped eating junk food and it looks like 240 is in on it..
.... must be a conspiracy.
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Yes please. I want to prove to my trainer (who has been a trainer to many pros) Noel Fuller exhusband of Nikki Fuller that I may eat Krispy Kremes and win shows. I would rather eat donuts 6 times a day than chicken.
Me TOO!
and I DO!
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I know allready how much I can eat. What'd you think? That I was eating 6000 calories a day when all i needed was 3500? i dont see your point. is there one? who gives a shit about bodyfat percentage. i rather use the mirror. you think anyone cares if im 3,4,5, or 6% bf ?
You most likely don`t have the muscle mass to support 3500 calories at a low bodyfat.
Hope this helps.
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If you can do this, start writing your nobel prize speech. Mathematicians and statisticians will be discussing your training experience variable in your formula for years. An exact amount of food you can eat, for anyone, before you gain a gram of fat...you'll be the most famous person in America, congratulations.
Exactly why I haven`t revealed a thing to anyone other than Jezebelle.
In time my friends. In time. I will employ a lot of you here even....
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It's funny that anyone who knows how to cook can make healthy and muscle building foods that taste better than fast food to me. The more creative you can be, the better you will know how to spice up that tasteless chicken breast or even a can of tuna. If you can't cook, learn or get a girl who can. Eating clean is easy and even taste better than being at the mercy of restaurant food. You'll never get to the top in bodybuilding unless good nutrition is a big part of your plan. I'd eat tree bark, if it put on muscle, but for most, if it doesn't taste good, they won't stick with it long.
Trust me my friend,
Jezebelle is an expert chef. We buy Gourmet books all the time. I doubt you are cooking with Heavy Cream and making elaborate recipes with truffle oil.
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Exactly why I haven`t revealed a thing to anyone other than Jezebelle.
In time my friends. In time. I will employ a lot of you here even....
People will be honoured to work for you, I mean, working for the man who will revolutionise statistics and nutrition!!!!!! You should hide, what you have done is akin to developing an engine that runs on water, the weight loss industry will be looking to take you out ::)
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People will be honoured to work for you, I mean, working for the man who will revolutionise statistics and nutrition!!!!!! You should hide, what you have done is akin to developing an engine that runs on water, the weight loss industry will be looking to take you out ::)
A steam engine is a great invention. The only thing is the economy would suffer from a well designed steam-powered car.
Such a shame really. I think it would do the opposite since it would free up consumers to spend money in other areas.
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Exactly why I haven`t revealed a thing to anyone other than Jezebelle.
In time my friends. In time. I will employ a lot of you here even....
why don't you try to finish high school first. After you are finished with that then we'll talk
hope this helps
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why don't you try to finish high school first. After you are finished with that then we'll talk
hope this helps
unhappy with yourself?
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This is a lie. I've proven them wrong and that there is no evidence that supports Adonis clam that his junk food diet works. When I questioned him on his so-callled principles, he refused to answer, making his 'junk food diet' harder to understand and harder to prove that it works.
For the last time until Adonis comes full circle on all the answers needed to complete his 'diet', his principles are false.
Well said..I see it the same way. I will keep an open mind, but from experience too many things are flawed.
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I'm still waiting to see proof of deadlifting 225 for 100 and sum reps...
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I'm still waiting to see proof of deadlifting 225 for 100 and sum reps...
It's too easy.... ;D And people wonder why we call bullshit on those kinda claims. ::)
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adonis is reincarnated by a long and forgotton era.steam engines,truffle oil,please tell me he just throw's this stuff out hoping it stick's?
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That works just fine.
Wavelength, you might want to check this out...
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You sure can.
Want me to post my diet logs?
Abeles telling a person to diet on Krispy Kremes only.
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
Hey bro,
Please tell me you've at least given up on this total BS.
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Hey bro,
Please tell me you've at least given up on this total BS.
I have a formula worked out and I have posted it a few times. It simply follows individual weight loss trends over a period of time, takes into account activity and quantifies the caloric amount lost in fat from the body. No big deal.
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Wavelength, you might want to check this out...
I think perhaps you lacked the comprehension skills to follow along early on. I think also you probably have made a habit of parsing my words and taking them so out of context that in effect you have confused yourself.
Yah, come to think of it, thats what it was. You used to love to take phrases of mine out of context.
You see, when you do that, the entire meaning of the post and thread are lost. Also, you used to mistake my facetiousness and sarcasm at times for a general recommendation.
Sarcasm, wit and satire do tend to get lost on many people. You may be from a different country so that is understandable as the cultural norms, memes and translations may differ.
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Abeles telling a person to diet on Krispy Kremes only.
I think perhaps you lacked the comprehension skills to follow along early on. I think also you probably have made a habit of parsing my words and taking them so out of context that in effect you have confused yourself.
Yah, come to think of it, thats what it was. You used to love to take phrases of mine out of context.
You see, when you do that, the entire meaning of the post and thread are lost. Also, you used to mistake my facetiousness and sarcasm at times for a general recommendation.
Sarcasm, wit and satire do tend to get lost on many people. You may be from a different country so that is understandable as the cultural norms, memes and translations may differ.
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If you can find some way to put whatever nutrition knowledge you have to use and perhaps earn a few bucks off it - I think that's great.
Good luck with that.
It seems like a moot point to point out how your 'principles' have changed.
You seem to come up with some incredible explanation every time.
Once again, good luck with your diet business, if that ever happens (you probably should take some classes on sports nutrition first though).
But how about cutting us some slack here. Cut the bullshit- save that for your future customers or whatever.
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Whatever happened to the McDonald's Diet? I mean wasn't there supposed to be pics, videos, receipts, a sub 3% body fat, etc...?
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Whatever happened to the McDonald's Diet? I mean wasn't there supposed to be pics, videos, receipts, a sub 3% body fat, etc...?
Anssi Mannienen backed out due to injury and I was subsequently banned from the Muscular Development board.
It already has been done before though. Chad Weaver ate only McDonalds for a month and he is a 50 year old bodybuilder that looks impressive.
Please see the thread on Chazz Weaver that I made over a year ago on this board for more information.
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Whatever happened to the McDonald's Diet? I mean wasn't there supposed to be pics, videos, receipts, a sub 3% body fat, etc...?
Here is a link in case you missed it.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=133789.0
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God I'm getting tired of these threads.
I USED THE PRINCIPLES AND THEY WORKED.
MOVE ON.
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God I'm getting tired of these threads.
I USED THE PRINCIPLES AND THEY WORKED.
MOVE ON.
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Dude I just showed my pics on the other thread and even you said I looked good.
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Dude I just showed my pics on the other thread and even you said I looked good.
You know I was joking right? I'm wavelength, the guy who created the Adonis Diet Principles thread! :D
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You know I was joking right? I'm wavelength, the guy who created the Adonis Diet Principles thread! :D
Oops.
"I am Jack's shrinking defense mechanism."
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Oops.
"I am Jack's shrinking defense mechanism."
Hahaha, off your game?
You do look great in those shots!
I wish I had your arms. :o
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Still anyone can post pics and say...in order to get this way I ate pizza, burgers and fries all the time...I just had a slight caloric deficit.
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Who's to say that the benefits eating fried/sugary "foods" haven't already been disproved? Could it be a false premise to begin with?
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I gotta go with Adonis on this one, as long as you have a diet and a daily routine that results in a caloric deficiency, you will lose weight. Of course if you consumed all your calories in 1 or 2 meals it could slow down your metabolism, making the weight loss harder.
I think the importance of eating Clean foods for a bodybuilder is to try and get enough protein in to spare as much muscle as possilbe during the dieting phase.
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I gotta go with Adonis on this one, as long as you have a diet and a daily routine that results in a caloric deficiency, you will lose weight. Of course if you consumed all your calories in 1 or 2 meals it could slow down your metabolism, making the weight loss harder.
I think the importance of eating Clean foods for a bodybuilder is to try and get enough protein in to spare as much muscle as possilbe during the dieting phase.
And Apenis came up with revolutionary concept? ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Still anyone can post pics and say...in order to get this way I ate pizza, burgers and fries all the time...I just had a slight caloric deficit.
point being?
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I gotta go with Adonis on this one, as long as you have a diet and a daily routine that results in a caloric deficiency, you will lose weight. Of course if you consumed all your calories in 1 or 2 meals it could slow down your metabolism, making the weight loss harder.
I think the importance of eating Clean foods for a bodybuilder is to try and get enough protein in to spare as much muscle as possilbe during the dieting phase.
One of the principles says how many protein you must consume on a daily basis.
From my experience, I disagree with your remark about meal frequency. I had an easier time on one meal a day. Might be different for others. One would of course space out the meals in a way most convenient, that does not go against the rules.
My measure of success was not weight loss (that's achievable on any restrictive diet) but change of body composition. In this regard, the diet was the best I ever did.
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
Who was this pro you speak of? ???
And personally, I wouldn't go and eat McDonald's, Yodel's, etc. as my regular "daily" food intake to prove or disprove anyone's theories. :P
I don't have really anything against TA, but if his "principles" are so effective, why isn't everyone doing it? ;)
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Who was this pro you speak of? ???
And personally, I wouldn't go and eat McDonald's, Yodel's, etc. as my regular "daily" food intake to prove or disprove anyone's theories. :P
I don't have really anything against TA, but if his "principles" are so effective, why isn't everyone doing it? ;)
fear
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One of the principles says how many protein you must consume on a daily basis.
From my experience, I disagree with your remark about meal frequency. I had an easier time on one meal a day. Might be different for others. One would of course space out the meals in a way most convenient, that does not go against the rules.
My measure of success was not weight loss (that's achievable on any restrictive diet) but change of body composition. In this regard, the diet was the best I ever did.
What's your body weight again?
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What's your body weight again?
I was 165 at the start of the diet and around 150 at the end. I have been bigger in the past, up to 185 in decent condition. Wasn't sure if I should do the diet at all this year (because of the bad starting point) but gave it a shot anyway.
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I was 165 at the start of the diet and around 150 at the end. I have been bigger in the past, up to 185 in decent condition. Wasn't sure if I should do the diet at all this year (because of the bad starting point) but gave it a shot anyway.
So what type of diet are you on right now?
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Who was this pro you speak of? ???
And personally, I wouldn't go and eat McDonald's, Yodel's, etc. as my regular "daily" food intake to prove or disprove anyone's theories. :P
I don't have really anything against TA, but if his "principles" are so effective, why isn't everyone doing it? ;)
I'm not sure how effective it is for everybody, but it certainly worked for me.
The diet that "everyone" is currently doing (low-carb) wasn't effective for me at all, which just proves my point.
What works for one, doesn't necessarily work for all.
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Who was this pro you speak of? ???
And personally, I wouldn't go and eat McDonald's, Yodel's, etc. as my regular "daily" food intake to prove or disprove anyone's theories. :P
I don't have really anything against TA, but if his "principles" are so effective, why isn't everyone doing it? ;)
Why don`t the majority reject the concept of the bible and the invisible man in the sky and instead embrace Science and Scientific fact over faith which is belief without evidence or contrary to evidence?
Ignorance.
See how meaningless your premise is. 50 years ago the majority of people wanted to deny African Americans equal rights. So according to your rationale, since the majority of people wanted to do this, it was the right and best course of action to pursue?
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why are people disagreeing with Adonis, i believe you can lose weight eating only junk food, I have done it recently but not cause I wanted to, just went through a tough time...problem is my energy levels were all over the map and my bowel movements were not fun. I wouldnt continue that way for a long time.
I dont think Adonis is saying you should eat that way all the time, he is just saying you can and still lose weight. I think?
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why are people disagreeing with Adonis, i believe you can lose weight eating only junk food, I have done it recently but not cause I wanted to, just went through a tough time...problem is my energy levels were all over the map and my bowel movements were not fun. I wouldnt continue that way for a long time.
I dont think Adonis is saying you should eat that way all the time, he is just saying you can and still lose weight. I think?
I am saying eat whatever you enjoy day in and day out. By default the diet will contain all sorts of things.
Just meet the protein requirement and fill the rest with whatever you enjoy in the given caloric amount.
I don`t advocate any food over another. Every food is beneficial.
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So what type of diet are you on right now?
Same as described only that I also eat a second meal in the evening, since I'm maintaining right now. I'm insured and sick and can't train at the moment. The injury occurred shortly before the last pic taken (avatar). Not sure what to do next yet.
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Why don`t the majority reject the concept of the bible and the invisible man in the sky and instead embrace Science and Scientific fact over faith which is belief without evidence or contrary to evidence?
Ignorance.
See how meaningless your premise is. 50 years ago the majority of people wanted to deny African Americans equal rights. So according to your rationale, since the majority of people wanted to do this, it was the right and best course of action to pursue?
See, this post proves I'm not a gimmick of Adonis, I don't think (non-fundamentalist) religion competes against science at all.
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If I lived on the Adonis Principles I would be starring in this flick
I tried eating anything I wanted, keeping my calories in mind, but still started to get fat and soft in the mid section. After eating what I call clean, I feel much better and I've even lost my taste for fast food. It was a plus 20lbs. of fat when using the AP and getting rid of it when I went back to the way I've been eating for the last 15 years. www.NutritionalEdge.org Everyone's metabolism is different and my system can't handle all that drive through stuff. 5 clean ones do it for me. 2 liquid and 3 solid with lots of fiber.
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Who was this pro you speak of? ???
whateva held a pro card in a natty org.
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Same as described only that I also eat a second meal in the evening, since I'm maintaining right now. I'm insured and sick and can't train at the moment. The injury occurred shortly before the last pic taken (avatar). Not sure what to do next yet.
Injuries are the worst...what happened?
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Injuries are the worst...what happened?
pulled my chest :-\
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If I lived on the Adonis Principles I would be starring in this flick
I tried eating anything I wanted, keeping my calories in mind, but still started to get fat and soft in the mid section. After eating what I call clean, I feel much better and I've even lost my taste for fast food. It was a plus 20lbs. of fat when using the AP and getting rid of it when I went back to the way I've been eating for the last 15 years. www.NutritionalEdge.org Everyone's metabolism is different and my system can't handle all that drive through stuff. 5 clean ones do it for me. 2 liquid and 3 solid with lots of fiber.
Obviously you either are lying, or did not adhere to the Principles properly.
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I am saying eat whatever you enjoy day in and day out. By default the diet will contain all sorts of things.
Just meet the protein requirement and fill the rest with whatever you enjoy in the given caloric amount.
I don`t advocate any food over another. Every food is beneficial.
well that makes sense to me..why is everyone freaking out?
btw, do you recommend meeting a daily fiber requirement for healthy bowel movements...some foods although beneficial can make that an unpleasant experience.
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
Disproven what Rob? That he's trying to lay claim to fame from something that been around forever? (figure of speech) Again, this is nothing new, why these threads keep persisting is beyond me.
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Well the principles that I'VE USED have not been around forever.
I virtually ignored all protein requirements and got much better results than on low-carb, hi protein.
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Well the principles that I'VE USED have not been around forever.
I virtually ignored all protein requirements and got much better results than on low-carb, hi protein.
How many g protein a day?
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(http://i37.tinypic.com/a3cfwg.jpg)
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How many g protein a day?
I seriously stopped counting just as an expiriment.
If I had to guess, I'd say maybe around 70g/day up to 100.
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Disproven what Rob? That he's trying to lay claim to fame from something that been around forever? (figure of speech) Again, this is nothing new, why these threads keep persisting is beyond me.
this was a Jan 2007 thread when you responded.
John Mccain was still a relevant conservative when this thread was started.
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I seriously stopped counting just as an expiriment.
If I had to guess, I'd say maybe around 70g/day up to 100.
Seems to be on the low end, but still possible. I know that below 0.5g / lb LBM is not enough for me. I once did a cut this way and my body composition changed for the worse.
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this was a Jan 2007 thread when you responded.
John Mccain was still a relevant conservative when this thread was started.
And Barrack was asleep at his church and still black.
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Seems to be on the low end, but still possible. I know that below 0.5g / lb LBM is not enough for me. I once did a cut this way and my body compositions changed for the worse.
What is your weight and apporx BF % in your avatar? How tall?
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by the way guys just so you know, "BF" means boyfriend in gayland ;D
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What is your weight and apporx BF % in your avatar? How tall?
I'm 5'10", around 150lbs in that pic. BF probably around 8%. Full pics of my progress are in the webpage-thread of my profile.
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I'm 5'10", around 150lbs in that pic. BF probably around 8%. Full pics of my progress are in the webpage-thread of my profile.
No, no, no. In that pic on your avatar, on getbig, your bf is negative 3% not 8%.
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No, no, no. In that pic on your avatar, on getbig, your bf is negative 3% not 8%.
dang, forgot to run my getbig spell checker!
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I'm 5'10", around 150lbs in that pic. BF probably around 8%. Full pics of my progress are in the webpage-thread of my profile.
Just looked at that thread---fantastic transformation! I have never been that lean.
You were using the "eat whatever I want as long as I stay in a deficit" principles? How about cardio?
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Just looked at that thread---fantastic transformation! I have never been that lean.
You were using the "eat whatever I want as long as I stay in a deficit" principles? How about cardio?
Thanks!
I followed the Adonis diet principles: enough protein intake (in my case 1g / lbm), caloric deficit, meet basic nutritional needs (vitamins, etc.).
Zero cardio.
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by the way guys just so you know, "BF" means boyfriend in gayland ;D
I don't live there, I wouldn't know ;D
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Thanks!
I followed the Adonis diet principles: enough protein intake (in my case 1g / lbm), caloric deficit, meet basic nutritional needs (vitamins, etc.).
Zero cardio.
With my metabolism, I could never do it without cardio.
How long did it take you?
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With my metabolism, I could never do it without cardio.
How long did it take you?
3 months as far as I can recall
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there is validity to the " a calorie is a calorie " theory
however, I still think that some cardio is needed
...and that cardio would be 2 tabata sessions a week </tabata pimping>
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there is validity to the " a calorie is a calorie " theory
however, I still think that some cardio is needed
...and that cardio would be 2 tabata sessions a week </tabata pimping>
I think some people have an easier time dieting when doing cardio because they can eat a little more. Not the case with me, I prefer eating a little less and sitting my ass down in the recliner. ;D
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I think some people have an easier time dieting when doing cardio because they can eat a little more. Not the case with me, I prefer eating a little less and sitting my ass down in the recliner. ;D
point well taken and to each his own, however, everyone has 4 minutes to spare
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point well taken and to each his own, however, everyone has 4 minutes to spare
I last 30 seconds. :-\
jk.
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I last 30 seconds. :-\
jk.
one round down
....seven more to go
jk
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one round down
....seven more to go
jk
Oh I was talking about another form of cardio altogether.
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Oh I was talking about another form of cardio altogether.
that form being what?
moderate intensity, long duration cardio?
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that form being what?
moderate intensity, long duration cardio?
is was a SEX JOKE.
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is was a SEX JOKE.
what is this sex?
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what is this sex?
it's what your dad did to you as a little boy.
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it's what your dad did to you as a little boy.
I only wish
if he did, it would have, at least, meant that he cared about me
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Why don`t the majority reject the concept of the bible and the invisible man in the sky and instead embrace Science and Scientific fact over faith which is belief without evidence or contrary to evidence?
Ignorance.
See how meaningless your premise is. 50 years ago the majority of people wanted to deny African Americans equal rights. So according to your rationale, since the majority of people wanted to do this, it was the right and best course of action to pursue?
I don't know how you can compare religion or peoples rights to dieting. But ok...whatever. I said if your "principals" worked why isn't everyone doing it...how is that meaningless? If it's soooooooooooo the answer...why doesn't some doctor have his name on it and have it out in the market. The only time I see anything pertaining to a "you can eat anything you want" diet is when they are offering some form of fat consuming pill with it...and then in small print you see something along the lines of "with exercise" or "results may vary" I think that maybe it might work for a few...but really wouldn't work for most. Most people gain weight because of eating such things as McDonalds. And it's not so much the quantity of food taken in, but the quality of food taken in. McDonald's and Hostess cakes, things you have posted that you have eaten are high in bad fats, carbs and sugars. Unless you have a really fast metabolism ... that shit's gonna fatten you up and make you unhealthy. :-\ You might look at a "calorie is a calorie" but fat is fat and sugar is sugar.
Going on your calorie is a calorie theory and looking at these two meals...I don't know about you guys...but I'm gonna have to go with Meal #1.
Meal #1: 1/2 chicken breast, 1 med sweet potato & broccoli:
Total Calories: 275
Total Fat: 3.7g
Total Saturated Fat: 1.1g
Total Trans Fat: 0g
Total Carbs: 29.8g
Total Sugar: 10.8g
Total Sodium: 141mg
Total Protein: 31.1g
Meal #2: 1 McDonald's cheeseburger (the one in the happymeal)
Total Calories: 300
Total Fat: 12g
Total Saturated Fat: 6g
Total Trans Fat: 0.5g
Total Carbs: 33g
Total Sugar: 6g
Total Sodium: 750mg
Total Protein: 15g
BUT...this is JMO. :)
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I don't know how you can compare religion or peoples rights to dieting. But ok...whatever. I said if your "principals" worked why isn't everyone doing it...how is that meaningless? If it's soooooooooooo the answer...why doesn't some doctor have his name on it and have it out in the market. The only time I see anything pertaining to a "you can eat anything you want" diet is when they are offering some form of fat consuming pill with it...and then in small print you see something along the lines of "with exercise" or "results may vary" I think that maybe it might work for a few...but really wouldn't work for most. Most people gain weight because of eating such things as McDonalds. And it's not so much the quantity of food taken in, but the quality of food taken in. McDonald's and Hostess cakes, things you have posted that you have eaten are high in bad fats, carbs and sugars. Unless you have a really fast metabolism ... that shit's gonna fatten you up and make you unhealthy. :-\ You might look at a "calorie is a calorie" but fat is fat and sugar is sugar.
Going on your calorie is a calorie theory and looking at these two meals...I don't know about you guys...but I'm gonna have to go with Meal #1.
Meal #1: 1/2 chicken breast, 1 med sweet potato & broccoli:
Total Calories: 275
Total Fat: 3.7g
Total Saturated Fat: 1.1g
Total Trans Fat: 0g
Total Carbs: 29.8g
Total Sugar: 10.8g
Total Sodium: 141mg
Total Protein: 31.1g
Meal #2: 1 McDonald's cheeseburger (the one in the happymeal)
Total Calories: 300
Total Fat: 12g
Total Saturated Fat: 6g
Total Trans Fat: 0.5g
Total Carbs: 33g
Total Sugar: 6g
Total Sodium: 750mg
Total Protein: 15g
BUT...this is JMO. :)
You fucking slut. How dare you question anything a man has to say. Know you place. You should be sentenced to death via diarrhea bukkake.
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You fucking slut. How dare you question anything a man has to say. Know you place. You should be sentenced to death via diarrhea bukkake.
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You fucking slut. How dare you question anything a man has to say. Know you place. You should be sentenced to death via diarrhea bukkake.
Wow, a internet tough guy. Why don't you come and teach me a lesson. ::)
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Wow, a internet tough guy. Why don't you come and teach me a lesson. ::)
+1
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You fucking slut. How dare you question anything a man has to say. Know you place. You should be sentenced to death via diarrhea bukkake.
calm down, kid. ::)
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Adam, did you ever post yout actual formula, the one that you talk about below? THanks
The True Adonis
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Re: Why hasn't anyone disproven the True Adonis Principles yet?
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Quote from: SteelePegasus on January 04, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
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there is validity to the " a calorie is a calorie " theory
however, I still think that some cardio is needed
...and that cardio would be 2 tabata sessions a week </tabata pimping>
thx for pimping tabata.
Haven't done it in awhile, gonna get back on it once or twice a week, mixing it up with other stuff.
Just feels like a great way to improve general health.
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Adam, did you ever post yout actual formula, the one that you talk about below? THanks
The True Adonis
Getbig V
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Re: Why hasn't anyone disproven the True Adonis Principles yet?
« Reply #107 on: January 04, 2007, 12:31:28 AM » Quote
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Quote from: SteelePegasus on January 04, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
Uh oh! TA?
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I don't know how you can compare religion or peoples rights to dieting. But ok...whatever. I said if your "principals" worked why isn't everyone doing it...how is that meaningless? If it's soooooooooooo the answer...why doesn't some doctor have his name on it and have it out in the market. The only time I see anything pertaining to a "you can eat anything you want" diet is when they are offering some form of fat consuming pill with it...and then in small print you see something along the lines of "with exercise" or "results may vary" I think that maybe it might work for a few...but really wouldn't work for most. Most people gain weight because of eating such things as McDonalds. And it's not so much the quantity of food taken in, but the quality of food taken in. McDonald's and Hostess cakes, things you have posted that you have eaten are high in bad fats, carbs and sugars. Unless you have a really fast metabolism ... that shit's gonna fatten you up and make you unhealthy. :-\ You might look at a "calorie is a calorie" but fat is fat and sugar is sugar.
Going on your calorie is a calorie theory and looking at these two meals...I don't know about you guys...but I'm gonna have to go with Meal #1.
Meal #1: 1/2 chicken breast, 1 med sweet potato & broccoli:
Total Calories: 275
Total Fat: 3.7g
Total Saturated Fat: 1.1g
Total Trans Fat: 0g
Total Carbs: 29.8g
Total Sugar: 10.8g
Total Sodium: 141mg
Total Protein: 31.1g
Meal #2: 1 McDonald's cheeseburger (the one in the happymeal)
Total Calories: 300
Total Fat: 12g
Total Saturated Fat: 6g
Total Trans Fat: 0.5g
Total Carbs: 33g
Total Sugar: 6g
Total Sodium: 750mg
Total Protein: 15g
BUT...this is JMO. :)
Where do I start...? :-\
Oh well...
It's 'principles' by the way.
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Wow, a internet tough guy. Why don't you come and teach me a lesson. ::)
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Adam, did you ever post yout actual formula, the one that you talk about below? THanks
The True Adonis
Getbig V
Posts: 14157
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Re: Why hasn't anyone disproven the True Adonis Principles yet?
« Reply #107 on: January 04, 2007, 12:31:28 AM » Quote
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Quote from: SteelePegasus on January 04, 2007, 12:22:29 AM
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JUST ONE SMALL PART OF THE ADONIS PRINCIPLES.
What I have NEVER revealed is an integral part.
Just HOW MUCH can you eat before you start gaining a gram of fat on your body.
I can figure that out for anyone using MY FORMULA. It takes in account your muscle mass, metabolism, bodyweight, age ,Training Experience and gives you an EXACT amount.
Using this formula, you can also predict down to the very MINUTE even how you will look and with what bodyfat percentage.
NOBODY is doing anything like this or knows just how.
I DO.
And one day, all of you will know as well.
Yeep I did.
Do a search. Its no big deal whatsoever. It just measures a trend of weight loss via fat loss and is individualized based on body fat lost over a given period of time. Obviously the longer the trend continues, the more accurate your results are. It is not necessary to implement though but instead an interesting way to note progress.
If you can`t find it in time, I will dig it up. I am really too lazy to post it word for word as I a busy with FarCry 2 and Fallout 3 whilst talking to you good folk on a break.
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Yeep I did.
Do a search. Its no big deal whatsoever. It just measures a trend of weight loss via fat loss and is individualized based on body fat lost over a given period of time. Obviously the longer the trend continues, the more accurate your results are. It is not necessary to implement though but instead an interesting way to note progress.
If you can`t find it in time, I will dig it up. I am really too lazy to post it word for word as I a busy with FarCry 2 and Fallout 3 whilst talking to you good folk on a break.
Would appreciate posting it if you can as I have looked and can't find it.
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Where do I start...? :-\
Oh well...
It's 'principles' by the way.
Oh hey, thanks for the correction Deicide. ;) Sometimes the fingers get ahead of message.
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Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhht?
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Where's Debussy?
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it is not HIS formula, he took it from Forbes theory:
Body fat and fat-free mass inter-relationships: Forbes’s theory revisited
Kevin D. Hall*
Laboratory of Biological Modeling, National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Diseases, National Institutes of Health,
Bethesda, MD 20892, USA
(Received 8 September 2006 – Revised 6 December 2006 – Accepted 17 December 2006)
A theoretical equation was developed by Forbes that quantifies the fat-free proportion of a weight change as a function of the initial body fat.
However, Forbes’s equation was strictly valid only for infinitesimal weight changes. Here, I extended Forbes’s equation to account for the magnitude
and direction of macroscopic body weight changes. The new equation was also re-expressed in terms of an alternative representation of
body composition change defined by an energy partitioning parameter called the P-ratio. The predictions of the resulting equations compared
favourably with data from human underfeeding and overfeeding experiments and accounted for previously unexplained trends in the data. The
magnitude of the body weight change had a relatively weak effect on the predicted body composition changes and the results were very similar
to Forbes’s original equation for modest weight changes. However, for large weight changes, such as the massive weight losses found in patients
following bariatric surgery, Forbes’s original equation consistently underestimated the fat-free mass loss, as expected. The new equation that
accounts for the magnitude of the weight loss provides better predictions of body composition changes in such patients.
the whole paper ( with the formula)is here:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2376748&blobtype=pdf
never think for 1 second that adonis has the intellectual capacity to invent a fat loss formula ::) like everything that flows from his mouth like shit from an ass, it was found on google.
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it is not HIS formula, he took it from Forbes theory:
Body fat and fat-free mass inter-relationships: Forbes’s theory revisited
Kevin D. Hall*
Laboratory of Biological Modeling, National Institute of Diabetes & Digestive & Kidney Diseases, National Institutes of Health,
Bethesda, MD 20892, USA
(Received 8 September 2006 – Revised 6 December 2006 – Accepted 17 December 2006)
A theoretical equation was developed by Forbes that quantifies the fat-free proportion of a weight change as a function of the initial body fat.
However, Forbes’s equation was strictly valid only for infinitesimal weight changes. Here, I extended Forbes’s equation to account for the magnitude
and direction of macroscopic body weight changes. The new equation was also re-expressed in terms of an alternative representation of
body composition change defined by an energy partitioning parameter called the P-ratio. The predictions of the resulting equations compared
favourably with data from human underfeeding and overfeeding experiments and accounted for previously unexplained trends in the data. The
magnitude of the body weight change had a relatively weak effect on the predicted body composition changes and the results were very similar
to Forbes’s original equation for modest weight changes. However, for large weight changes, such as the massive weight losses found in patients
following bariatric surgery, Forbes’s original equation consistently underestimated the fat-free mass loss, as expected. The new equation that
accounts for the magnitude of the weight loss provides better predictions of body composition changes in such patients.
the whole paper ( with the formula)is here:
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=2376748&blobtype=pdf
never think for 1 second that adonis has the intellectual capacity to invent a fat loss formula ::) like everything that flows from his mouth like shit from an ass, it was found on google.
with all due respect, instead of questioning someone's knowledge about fat loss you should be taking someone's knowledge about fat loss and applying it to your self
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with all due respect, instead of questioning someone's knowledge about fat loss you should be taking someone's knowledge about fat loss and applying it to your self
look twink, the day you out lift me and stop taking cocks up the ass or in the mouth is the day you can criticize me.
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Just as a passive lurker who just saw the post...nobody cares...
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Just as a passive lurker who just saw the post...nobody cares...
Do you do anal?
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Why? Do you need a good f*ck?
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It's nothing original of course. The main thing is to separate essential factors from convenience factors.
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Why? Do you need a good f*ck?
maybe,
Dont turn this shit around, what is it?
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maybe,
Dont turn this shit around, what is it?
[/quoteI don't normally give time to someone who is obviously below my intelligence level, (burn, I'm blonde)
but what the hell do you think I was saying in my last comment????
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You are obviously not more intelligent hence the lack of your quoting skills.
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And I take your avoidance of my question as a yes 8)
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True Adonis came in second at the Mr Getbig, losing only to a pro bodybuilder. He was the most ripped guy in the show, and lost to Whateva on shape and muscle maturity, right?
While his theories of "a calorie is a calorie" and "It is possible to live on mcD food and reach 3% bodyfat have received criticism here - they have not yet been disproven. Why is this?
Because NO one cares what that queen says.
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adonis cut like anyone else with fatburners and shit ....even so he was fat by bb standards
he had a fucking minibelly hahahahaha
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adonis cut like anyone else with fatburners and shit ....even so he was fat by bb standards
he had a fucking minibelly hahahahaha
seva what was your diet, when you looked your best?
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I still dont get why its called "Adonis principles", did he invent the law of thermodynamics?
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adonis cut like anyone else with fatburners and shit ....even so he was fat by bb standards
he had a fucking minibelly hahahahaha
I did not, no fatburners, no "shit" :)
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You are obviously not more intelligent hence the lack of your quoting skills.
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And I take your avoidance of my question as a yes 8)
that's buffgoddess ? :o
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that's buffgoddess ? :o
Thats a hot babe.
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I did not, no fatburners, no "shit" :)
wavelength
you might be a nice guy
but toting adonises aberations is beyond pathetic
he's a liar and used hormones and shit like everyone else and is trying to sell cucumbers to the gardners
you are in the same boat my man
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wavelength
you might be a nice guy
but toting adonises aberations is beyond pathetic
he's a liar and used hormones and shit like everyone else and is trying to sell cucumbers to the gardners
you are in the same boat my man
sevastase, you're a good guy but why do you believe everybody is on drugs? :(
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sevastase, you're a good guy but why do you believe everybody is on drugs? :(
you are generalizing my friend
I have enough expirience and knowledge and genetics to see someone and tell you if hețs on or not
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How the hell do you disprove anything on an internet board?
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How the hell do you disprove anything on an internet board?
If you can't disprove anything then the statement "You can disprove anything" can't be disproven and may be true, so you can't state with certainty that you can't disprove anything. The statement that you can't disprove anything is thereby disproven, so it turns out that you can disprove some things. :D
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If you can't disprove anything then the statement "You can disprove anything" can't be disproven and may be true, so you can't state with certainty that you can't disprove anything. The statement that you can't disprove anything is thereby disproven, so it turns out that you can disprove some things. :D
Getting cut on cheesecake, donuts, pizza and chips...I find it unlikely.
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Getting cut on cheesecake, donuts, pizza and chips...I find it unlikely.
And unhealthy.
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wavelength
you might be a nice guy
but toting adonises aberations is beyond pathetic
he's a liar and used hormones and shit like everyone else and is trying to sell cucumbers to the gardners
you are in the same boat my man
I'm not toting anything. I don't know what Adonis has used (neither do you).
But I know what I have used: nothing other than solid food and protein powder.
For 2009, I can tell you exactly what I put into my body every day, I decided to write everything down.
I have never posted a single lie on this board. :)
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I outbench, deadlift, and upgright row adonis any day of the week this is a proven principle
Doubtful. There is zero evidence that you even bother to lift weights.
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Lots of evidence that true anus blows trannys for a nickle though!
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Owned...
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