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Getbig Misc Discussion Boards => Sports Discussion Boards => Topic started by: Old_Rooster on April 19, 2007, 10:49:48 AM
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Come on all Pitchers on every team, step up, be a man and begin throwing at this clowns head now and try to end his career before he ruins baseball forever! KILL BARRY BONDS!
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A shame he wasn't at Virginia Tech Monday. ;)
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I was hoping for a grand jury indictment. :-\
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Can't wait till he breaks the record. Being a Giants fan it will still be a record regardless of how anyone feels about Bonds.
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Can't wait till he breaks the record. Being a Giants fan it will still be a record regardless of how anyone feels about Bonds.
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GOD BLESS HAMMERING HANK, FOREVER THE HOME RUN KING!
I think Bonds hat sized increased again, bastardd is still on HGH!
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I want him to break the record because I love to see these baseball "purists" cry
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anyone else hear what hank said about bonds breaking his record?
he said he wont be at the game the day it happens.
what does that tell you about bonds? :-\
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anyone else hear what hank said about bonds breaking his record?
he said he wont be at the game the day it happens.
what does that tell you about bonds? :-\
Bonds has a lot of haters, he must be doing something right! He is not the only one to use chemical assistance in MLB guys.
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I loved Bill Maher's comments on the Tonight Show not long ago where he said "It's fun to watch a freakish hulk hit a ball to the moon" and "He must have gone through puberty at 27 to get this big without drugs". That about sums it up. Much like pro bodybuilding, it's become a massive joke.
SERGIO!!!!
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for me (and im sure alot of people) i dont hate bonds because he "probably" did steroids. i hate him because he is an arogant, rude asshole.
im sure if it was mark mcgwire who was about to break the record people would feel alot differently about it. and im sure hank aaron would be at that game.
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GOD BLESS HAMMERING HANK, FOREVER THE HOME RUN KING!
I think Bonds hat sized increased again, bastardd is still on HGH!
So are many baseball players, minor and major, whether or not they hit 700 home runs or 10.
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A shame he wasn't at Virginia Tech Monday. ;)
Why would you say something like that??? ??? ??? ???
What a dick...........
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Why would you say something like that??? ??? ??? ???
What a dick...........
Shut up it wasn't serious. Just wishful thinking. ;)
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for me (and im sure alot of people) i dont hate bonds because he "probably" did steroids. i hate him because he is an arogant, rude asshole.
im sure if it was mark mcgwire who was about to break the record people would feel alot differently about it. and im sure hank aaron would be at that game.
Mark McGwire is a fucking jackoff as well. For Picture day at Busch Stadium that guy stood back about 100 feet from the fans while all other players were right at the wall signing balls, pics, and posing for pics while joking with fans. Fuck McGwire.
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People choose who they want to be their heroes. Rickey Henderson owns the stolen base record, but no one has really commented on Rickey's physique when broke the record. Bonds is just hated by a lot of people exclusively the media because he refused to speak to them for so many years.
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I want him to break the record because I love to see these baseball "purists" cry
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Agreed. Stop griping about it and shut your f*cking mouth already ! I don't give two sh*ts whether Bonds breaks the record or not ... it won't change a thing about what I think of Hank or Barry !
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Mark McGwire is a fucking jackoff as well. For Picture day at Busch Stadium that #### stood back about 100 feet from the fans while all other players were right at the wall signing balls, pics, and posing for pics while joking with fans. Fuck McGwire.
I hear the road they named after McGwire in St. Louis is going to be changed back to what it was.
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People choose who they want to be their heroes. Rickey Henderson owns the stolen base record, but no one has really commented on Rickey's physique when broke the record. Bonds is just hated by a lot of people exclusively the media because he refused to speak to them for so many years.
Flip, Ricky was jacked from day one in 1979 when he was a rookie. Henderson is a genetic freak.
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Shut up it wasn't serious. Just wishful thinking. ;)
pumpster reveals his true colors ::)
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pumpster reveals his true colors ::)
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LOL Sorry you should've been there too.
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LOL Sorry you should've been there too.
LMAO..nice response. ;D
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Flip, Ricky was jacked from day one in 1979 when he was a rookie. Henderson is a genetic freak.
And was jacked into his 40's with little or no slow down in speed? I'd like to know if he was natural.
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how do people know aaron wasn't juiced?
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how do people know aaron wasn't juiced?
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Doesn't matter...
He broke a record the way you're "supposed to" in baseball. He hit off his front foot, which is supposed to take away power.
So, he broke the record EVEN THOUGH HE HIT WRONG.
Same reason Ruth is so loved. He set records EVEN THOUGH HE WAS A DRUNK.
If Bonds was a fat drunk, people would be holding prayer vigils hoping he breaks the record.
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And was jacked into his 40's with little or no slow down in speed? I'd like to know if he was natural.
No one that isn't his close friend will probably never know, but I know many natural people in their 40's that run the ironman triathalon in hawwaii and I also know many people in their 40's that use more stuff then I ever did and don't look good, don't run fast, can't hit a baseball, etc.
I'm sure most pro athletes used stuff in the 80's...by then the olympic swimming teams, gymnastic (male and female) teams and most other sports were using it.
A ny mets pitcher in the late 80 used steroids.
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If Bonds was a fat drunk, people would be holding prayer vigils hoping he breaks the record.
no they would still hate him cause hes an asshole >:(
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no they would still hate him cause hes an asshole >:(
Too bad his personality is clouding the skills he exhibits. The guy was a 4 tool guy. Before the grand jury testimony, Big Mac was given a pass. He, along with Sammy, were the ushers of the GH/AAS controversy. Barry is just a jackass to reporters, so no one likes him. He made careers for Jeff Kent, Bobby Bonilla, Matt Williams or anyone who hit in front of him or behind him.
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People choose who they want to be their heroes. Rickey Henderson owns the stolen base record, but no one has really commented on Rickey's physique when broke the record. Bonds is just hated by a lot of people exclusively the media because he refused to speak to them for so many years.
Henderson and Bonds are two of the best all-around players to ever play baseball, whether or not they ever used anything doesn't matter to me, you don't gain athletic ability from them and those two had enough talent to make 6 good players. Another old head who still plays is Julio Franco, dudes in his late 40's now (50 next year). He isn't the best ever and doesn't put up crazy numbers but he has the talent and ability of those much younger them him (sometimes 20yrs younger) while maintaining a great physique which enables him to keep up. Players like these guys a few and far between but drugs or not they were meant to be great ball players.
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true....but bonds is still a bitch who like mike tyson will fade into bolivian when he retires after this year.
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Henderson and Bonds are two of the best all-around players to ever play baseball, whether or not they ever used anything doesn't matter to me, you don't gain athletic ability from them and those two had enough talent to make 6 good players. Another old head who still plays is Julio Franco, dudes in his late 40's now (50 next year). He isn't the best ever and doesn't put up crazy numbers but he has the talent and ability of those much younger them him (sometimes 20yrs younger) while maintaining a great physique which enables him to keep up. Players like these guys a few and far between but drugs or not they were meant to be great ball players.
sure he was a great player, never would have broken aarons record without medical assistance. thats the only point...
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sure he was a great player, never would have broken aarons record without medical assistance. thats the only point...
Well how do you feel about Ruth never having to hit against black pitchers???
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Well how do you feel about Ruth never having to hit against black pitchers???
who cares..its irrelevant.
you could do the same with lots of stuff like that....
what if ruth and aaron had access to the drugs the guys do now??
what if the the pitchers and hitters had access to the kind of training knowledge they have today??
what if bonds had to hit against the great pitchers in the AL more??
what if asian players came into the league sooner??
you could do the "what if" all day and in the end none of it matters.
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who cares..its irrelevant.
you could do the same with lots of stuff like that....
what if ruth and aaron had access to the drugs the guys do now??
what if the the pitchers and hitters had access to the kind of training knowledge they have today??
what if bonds had to hit against the great pitchers in the AL more??
what if asian players came into the league sooner??
you could do the "what if" all day and in the end none of it matters.
That's my point, either way it goes Bonds is one of the greatest players ever.
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Only 16 more to go. And a stolen base yesterday. Go Barry "U.S." Bonds!
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That's my point, either way it goes Bonds is one of the greatest players ever.
ya i agree. hes one of the best hitters ever for sure.
but hes still a complete asshole >:(
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Except that his home run numbers went up big time in the early-mid 90s onwards. He's not even close without vitamins. ;D
Great ball player yes, great home run hitter without assistance, no.
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ya i agree. hes one of the best hitters ever for sure.
but hes still a complete asshole >:(
He also had 8 Gold Gloves and over 500 Steals ;)
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Except that his home run numbers went up big time in the early-mid 90s onwards. He's not even close without vitamins. ;D
Great ball player yes, great home run hitter without assistance, no.
You're a moron.
He has only hit over 50 home runs in a year ONCE.
That isn't some major output increase.
He went from a low 30's a year guy, with some years in the 20's, to a low 40's a year guy, with years in the 30's.
Everyone thinks he went from 10 homers a year, to 70 home runs every single year. He had 1 year of huge numbers, and many, many other years of consistency.
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You're a moron.
He has only hit over 50 home runs in a year ONCE.
That isn't some major output increase.
He went from a low 30's a year guy, with some years in the 20's, to a low 40's a year guy, with years in the 30's.
Everyone thinks he went from 10 homers a year, to 70 home runs every single year. He had 1 year of huge numbers, and many, many other years of consistency.
Funny thing is after he hit 73 no one wanted to pitch to him, he broke his own record for walks multiple times throughout his career through the 90's and after 00'. He had one season I think like 03 or so where he had more home runs then strike outs 45-42 I believe along with also being the first since Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle to go over .500 with OBP% and setting the record at just over .600%. He wasn't just a power hitter at all, he was like a Tony Gwynn with more power and speed.
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Funny thing is after he hit 73 no one wanted to pitch to him, he broke his own record for walks multiple times throughout his career through the 90's and after 00'. He had one season I think like 03 or so where he had more home runs then strike outs 45-42 I believe along with also being the first since Ted Williams and Mickey Mantle to go over .500 with OBP% and setting the record at just over .600%. He wasn't just a power hitter at all, he was like a Tony Gwynn with more power and speed.
Exactly.
Juice doesn't increase your ability to pass on bad pitches.
I personally love Bonds' attitude. The media treats him like shit, so he doesn't talk to them.
Most people hate Bonds because they think they're supposed to. They don't even know why in the hell they hate him.
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Exactly.
Juice doesn't increase your ability to pass on bad pitches.
I personally love Bonds' attitude. The media treats him like shit, so he doesn't talk to them.
Most people hate Bonds because they think they're supposed to. They don't even know why in the hell they hate him.
Yeah someone said something at the gym today about how he's an asshole and doesn't talk to the media of really anyone for that matter. I said what's wrong with the guy wanting to be left alone and have a personal life, not everyone in sports wants to be plastered all over t.v. in comericials or make tons of public appearances. I respect him and his privacy and until he does something rude to me I consider him one of my Top three fav Ball players of all time.
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Come on all Pitchers on every team, step up, be a man and begin throwing at this clowns head now and try to end his career before he ruins baseball forever! KILL BARRY BONDS!
Weren't you a Barry Bonds guy? You even resorted to playing the race card for Barry..
Changed your tune?
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Exactly.
Juice doesn't increase your ability to pass on bad pitches.
I personally love Bonds' attitude. The media treats him like shit, so he doesn't talk to them.
Most people hate Bonds because they think they're supposed to. They don't even know why in the hell they hate him.
We have a batting expert here bwahahahahaahahahah When was the last time you batted in the majors ahole? ;D
Of course you luv his atttitude, you relate to the fact he's a dink.
I already knew his production genius; neither you nor i know when he started his vitamins in relation to that change in output. ;)
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Didn't the guy's shoe size grow by nearly 5? :-\
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JUICE WASN'T A HUGE FACTOR ACCORDING TO OUR EXPERTS HERE.. ::)
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his team mates all think hes an ass hole.not just the media and fans
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JUICE WASN'T A HUGE FACTOR ACCORDING TO OUR EXPERTS HERE.. ::)
Pumpster, not that I don't think he used/uses stuff (everyone does) but the physique comparison really shouldn't mean much.
At 16 I went from 169 (contest weight) to 222 8 months later at 17 years old with hard training and enormous amounts of food...Box of pasta, dozen eggs, chicken, potato's, oatmeal etc...I ate probably 8 times a day.
How many years is this weight comparison over? he is a grown man with a great strength training program.
Ya know how many people I see everymonth that use more stuff than most gym goers and are not even 215 pounds??? Too many...
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Pumpster, not that I don't think he used/uses stuff (everyone does) but the physique comparison really shouldn't mean much.
At 16 I went from 169 (contest weight) to 222 8 months later at 17 years old with hard training and enormous amounts of food...Box of pasta, dozen eggs, chicken, potato's, oatmeal etc...I ate probably 8 times a day.
How many years is this weight comparison over? he is a grown man with a great strength training program.
Ya know how many people I see everymonth that use more stuff than most gym goers and are not even 215 pounds??? Too many...
Yeah he trains his ass off in the offseason. Sheffield trained with him before his first season with the Braves and said it was the most intense offseason program he was ever on and went on to have a terrific season.
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JUICE WASN'T A HUGE FACTOR ACCORDING TO OUR EXPERTS HERE.. ::)
Cmon pumpster, you can take hundreds of Pro players in their early 20's and then show them in their 40's and get the same result in pictures.
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Well how do you feel about Ruth never having to hit against black pitchers???
UM, so what? Ruth doesn't hold the record and actually only 8% of the players in MLB are black.
Whats up, you scared of black folks?
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Pumpster, not that I don't think he used/uses stuff (everyone does) but the physique comparison really shouldn't mean much.
At 16 I went from 169 (contest weight) to 222 8 months later at 17 years old with hard training and enormous amounts of food...Box of pasta, dozen eggs, chicken, potato's, oatmeal etc...I ate probably 8 times a day.
How many years is this weight comparison over? he is a grown man with a great strength training program.
Ya know how many people I see everymonth that use more stuff than most gym goers and are not even 215 pounds??? Too many...
Big big difference from making huge gains in the teens than from doing same between mid-late 20s and early-mid 30s.
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Cmon pumpster, you can take hundreds of Pro players in their early 20's and then show them in their 40's and get the same result in pictures.
Not at all: those pics are both taken while still playing, between 20-something and 30-something. Not the same thing. Big gains in the teens is extremely common, the other is unusual.
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UM, so what? Ruth doesn't hold the record and actually only 8% of the players in MLB are black.
Whats up, you scared of black folks?
Point is though Ruth only had to hit against white pictures and not latinos or blacks. Bonds may have used drugs but so have hundreds of other players maybe even thousands but how many can even compare to him......... 0 because he is one of the top 5 players ever. I think those who don't like Bonds use the drugs as an excuse to not recognize how great of a player he really is.
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alright this "did he or didnt he" debate is getting stupid.
its obvious that bonds took something. BUT that didnt make him into a good ball player...it just made him hit a hell of a lot more HR's than he would have
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alright this "did he or didnt he" debate is getting stupid.
its obvious that bonds took something. BUT that didnt make him into a good ball player...it just made him hit a hell of a lot more HR's than he would have
Yeah he was setting records for walks back in the early 90's before he got real big, he is just a dangerous hitter but the extra size got him those couple extra every year but either way I think he could have hit at least 700 HR.
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Yeah he was setting records for walks back in the early 90's before he got real big, he is just a dangerous hitter but the extra size got him those couple extra every year but either way I think he could have hit at least 700 HR.
Bonds would have hit maybe 500 without the juice. I hope a sniper blows his head off when he gets to 754
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Bonds would have hit maybe 500 without the juice. I hope a sniper blows his head off when he gets to 754
Only 500 :o ??? You really are a complete moron aren't you??? If he played only 15 years and averaged 35 a year he would have still hit more then 500. He has now played a total of over 20 years and if he only played 20 he would only need to 25 a year to reach 500 which would have been a easy task for a hitter of his caliber.
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Trust "mikemachine's" in-depth 16-year old perspectives. ::)
Around 500 HRs is about right.
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Trust "mikemachine's" in-depth 16-year old perspectives. ::)
Around 500 HRs is about right.
Oh no watch out, it's the almighty Dumpster who has no proof he's even seen the inside of the gym but we know he is OLD. I forgot when your around opinons don't matter cause whatever you say is fact and the final word. ::)
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Gee, without reading i wonder what resident 16-year old sage "mikemachine" will have to say??? ::)
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Big big difference from making huge gains in the teens than from doing same between mid-late 20s and early-mid 30s.
He was 22 when he started with the Pirates. That Pirates pick is from his 1st year. A 20 year difference with a heavier frame is NOT unusual even for Pro. Look at Dan Marino when he was drafted and when he retired. Probably a 30lb difference. Same with Elway. And these guys ran a lot more than Bonds did. Well, maybe Marino didn't..............
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Bonds would have hit maybe 500 without the juice.
And he would still be the only person with 500 homeruns and 500 stolen bases! ;)
I hate Bonds. He's on my home team, and I hate his attitude. Yes, it's his right to not speak to reporters, though he has been better over the last few years but not by much.
You could give him the entire CIBA plant, and no matter how well he responded to the gear, it still wouldn't help his ability to see a pitch like he does. That's a natural talent that you can train to some extent, but Bonds has a better eye than most players hence the low strikeout ratio- though the pitchers not pitching to him also helps him out in that regard.
It's true that Bonds doing sauce will turn a "normal pop fly" into a homerun (take a deep breath before you pop a cork fellas, it's a bit exaggerated, intentionally). But it's still his eye that helps him connect with the ball in the first place.
He's an asshole, yes. But one helluva playing asshole that can hit the ball.
Hank Aaron never hit over 47 home runs in his career. But it was his day in day out play and average that he was able to break Babe's record.
My final two cents on the matter- Hank is just as much of an asshole for not showing up. Not only is he an ass for not showing up, but he's a hypocrite too. He used to drink this shit called "Red Juice," which contained Benzadrine (sp?) aka as "Bennies." Women used to use the pill form to diet on....it's no longer produced, I don't think. However, a huge amount of players used to drink the stuff, and Hammerin' Hank was no different.
Bonds did/does gear. Hank did, at one time, was legal speed.
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fvck bonds.
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He was 22 when he started with the Pirates. That Pirates pick is from his 1st year. A 20 year difference with a heavier frame is NOT unusual even for Pro. Look at Dan Marino when he was drafted and when he retired. Probably a 30lb difference. Same with Elway. And these guys ran a lot more than Bonds did. Well, maybe Marino didn't..............
are you saying bonds is natural ???
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are you saying bonds is natural ???
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No, Earl, but people assume that just cause he "gained weight" and is bigger than he was in his 20's, is due to steroids. Natural weight gain in all men past 35 is not unusual because the metabolism slows.
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No, Earl, but people assume that just cause he "gained weight" and is bigger than he was in his 20's, is due to steroids. Natural weight gain in all men past 35 is not unusual because the metabolism slows.
Well ya, but it depends on the kind of weight. In his case a good part of it was muscle gains in his 30s, rather strange.
Then there's performance. Almost always a drop off some time in the mid-late 30s, which he didn't experience.
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Cmon pumpster, you can take hundreds of Pro players in their early 20's and then show them in their 40's and get the same result in pictures.
So people's shoe sizes go up after they hit 30? ::)
They guy juiced and that's the end of the discussion.
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I don't care if he juiced or not. Nobody knows who did or didn't and for him to be singled out because he's the best player is wrong.
Bonds gets all the focus, while sucktards like Randy Velarde, Benito Santiago and Trot Nixon all skate.
The other thing that annoys me are those who act like somebody can't put on size without usuing PEDs. I'm sure if you take a genetically superior person, and couple them with a personal trainer, a personal chef, a masseuse, unlimited supplements, and the time to sleep through the night, they will gain serious muscle. I'm not suggested Bonds wasn't on the sauce, but people tend to criticize those who do things that they're unable to do.
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yea and once you hit your late thirty's your head size will usually double ha ha.this has nothing to do with GH I'm sure.
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I don't care if he juiced or not. Nobody knows who did or didn't and for him to be singled out because he's the best player is wrong.
Bonds gets all the focus, while sucktards like Randy Velarde, Benito Santiago and Trot Nixon all skate.
The other thing that annoys me are those who act like somebody can't put on size without usuing PEDs. I'm sure if you take a genetically superior person, and couple them with a personal trainer, a personal chef, a masseuse, unlimited supplements, and the time to sleep through the night, they will gain serious muscle. I'm not suggested Bonds wasn't on the sauce, but people tend to criticize those who do things that they're unable to do.
Yeah I agree but most people just want a reason to not recognize him as one of the greatest ever. They won't say it but many seem to have a grudge on him and will do anything to put him down. People think he doesn't give a shit but it really hurts him allot to go through all the shit he's going through while others seem to just fly under the radar. I guess it's the price you pay for being arguably the Best Player to Ever Play. :-\
Oh and Bonds was known for training his ass off in the off season especially during/after the latter 90's.
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Yeah I agree but most people just want a reason to not recognize him as one of the greatest ever. They won't say it but many seem to have a grudge on him and will do anything to put him down. People think he doesn't give a shit but it really hurts him allot to go through all the shit he's going through while others seem to just fly under the radar. I guess it's the price you pay for being arguably the Best Player to Ever Play. :-\
Oh and Bonds was known for training his ass off in the off season especially during/after the latter 90's.
I agree. Bonds doesn't do himself any favors though. If he had a good relationship with the media, he might not be targeted as much.
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I agree. Bonds doesn't do himself any favors though. If he had a good relationship with the media, he might not be targeted as much.
Not just the media though, he gets harassed all the time, gets sent hate mail and death threats. The guy has to worry about someone taking him out just because he's a very sucessful baseball player, you don't see guys like McGwire, Palmeiro, Canseco etc... having to worry about those things. I want him to break the record even badder cause it will be like a big FUCK YOU to all those who don't think he deserves it.
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No, Earl, but people assume that just cause he "gained weight" and is bigger than he was in his 20's, is due to steroids. Natural weight gain in all men past 35 is not unusual because the metabolism slows.
the change in head size is the dead giveaway that he's been using some gh
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the change in head size is the dead giveaway that he's been using some gh
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You've extensively studied the effects of somatatropin, I assume?
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Well ya, but it depends on the kind of weight. In his case a good part of it was muscle gains in his 30s, rather strange.
Then there's performance. Almost always a drop off some time in the mid-late 30s, which he didn't experience.
Not saying he didn't take steroids, but his numbers were pretty consistent until AFTER the MLB strike. As soon as the homerun race started, I can bet that alot of players who never juiced before were doing then and now.
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Not just the media though, he gets harassed all the time, gets sent hate mail and death threats. The guy has to worry about someone taking him out just because he's a very sucessful baseball player, you don't see guys like McGwire, Palmeiro, Canseco etc... having to worry about those things. I want him to break the record even badder cause it will be like a big FUCK YOU to all those who don't think he deserves it.
Being a Giants fan, and a Bonds fan, I completely agree. Maybe Bonds isn't the greatest when it comes to interviews and speaking to the media, but the media was more interested in his family disputes than his Baseball carreer. If you've seen the movie "The FAN" with Deniro and Snipes, it was an actual "fiction" story based on Bonds.
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You've extensively studied the effects of somatatropin, I assume?
not extensively
are you saying it can't make your head grow larger?
just look at his head 15 years ago and look now
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He was 22 when he started with the Pirates. That Pirates pick is from his 1st year. A 20 year difference with a heavier frame is NOT unusual even for Pro. Look at Dan Marino when he was drafted and when he retired. Probably a 30lb difference. Same with Elway. And these guys ran a lot more than Bonds did. Well, maybe Marino didn't..............
I remember seeing him play for the Hawaii Islanders for a couple of months, he was a tall, lanky slapstick hitter with speed, an arm, range and no power. There is enough circumstantial evidence to prove he took performance enhancing drugs, but so did everyone else. It shouldn't diminish his status or what he has done. Opening day, he STOLE A BASE. The guy is a stud. I don't care if he took drugs. It is MLBs problem because they let the McGuire/Sosa show go on to bring baseball back to prominance. Why punish Bonds?
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You're a moron.
He has only hit over 50 home runs in a year ONCE.
That isn't some major output increase.
He went from a low 30's a year guy, with some years in the 20's, to a low 40's a year guy, with years in the 30's.
Everyone thinks he went from 10 homers a year, to 70 home runs every single year. He had 1 year of huge numbers, and many, many other years of consistency.
Here is Hank Aaron's career stats. Note his top HR producing year yielded 47 blasts, but lots of consistency.
Batting Glossary / Gamelogs: Year--------19541955195619571958195919601961196219631964196519661967196819691970197119721973197419751976 / Splits: Year--------Career--------19541955195619571958195919601961196219631964196519661967196819691970197119721973197419751976 / HR Log / PI Finders:Game / Streak / Event / PI vs. Pitcher / Neutralize Stats
750 Runs /1968 Dodgers / 2000 Rockies
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1954 20 MLN NL 122 468 58 131 27 6 13 69 2 2 28 39 .280 .322 .447 104 209 6 4 3 13 RoY-4
1955 21 MLN NL 153 602 105 189 37 9 27 106 3 1 49 61 .314 .366 .540 143 325 7 4 5 3 20 MVP-9,AS
1956 22 MLN NL 153 609 106 200 34 14 26 92 2 4 37 54 .328 .365 .558 151 340 5 7 6 2 21 MVP-3,AS
1957 23 MLN NL 151 615 118 198 27 6 44 132 1 1 57 58 .322 .378 .600 166 369 0 3 15 0 13 MVP-1,AS
1958 24 MLN NL 153 601 109 196 34 4 30 95 4 1 59 49 .326 .386 .546 153 328 0 3 16 1 21 MVP-3,AS
1959 25 MLN NL 154 629 116 223 46 7 39 123 8 0 51 54 .355 .401 .636 181 400 0 9 17 4 19 MVP-3,AS
1960 26 MLN NL 153 590 102 172 20 11 40 126 16 7 60 63 .292 .352 .566 155 334 0 12 13 2 8 MVP-11,AS
1961 27 MLN NL 155 603 115 197 39 10 34 120 21 9 56 64 .327 .381 .594 161 358 1 9 20 2 16 MVP-8,AS
1962 28 MLN NL 156 592 127 191 28 6 45 128 15 7 66 73 .323 .390 .618 170 366 0 6 14 3 14 MVP-6,AS
1963 29 MLN NL 161 631 121 201 29 4 44 130 31 5 78 94 .319 .391 .586 179 370 0 5 18 0 11 MVP-3,AS
1964 30 MLN NL 145 570 103 187 30 2 24 95 22 4 62 46 .328 .393 .514 153 293 0 2 9 0 22 MVP-14,AS
1965 31 MLN NL 150 570 109 181 40 1 32 89 24 4 60 81 .318 .379 .560 160 319 0 8 10 1 15 MVP-7,AS
1966 32 ATL NL 158 603 117 168 23 1 44 127 21 3 76 96 .279 .356 .539 143 325 0 8 15 1 14 MVP-8,AS
1967 33 ATL NL 155 600 113 184 37 3 39 109 17 6 63 97 .307 .369 .573 168 344 0 6 19 0 11 MVP-5,AS
1968 34 ATL NL 160 606 84 174 33 4 29 86 28 5 64 62 .287 .354 .498 154 302 0 5 23 1 21 MVP-12,AS
1969 35 ATL NL 147 547 100 164 30 3 44 97 9 10 87 47 .300 .396 .607 178 332 0 3 19 2 14 MVP-3,AS
1970 36 ATL NL 150 516 103 154 26 1 38 118 9 0 74 63 .298 .385 .574 148 296 0 6 15 2 13 MVP-17,AS
1971 37 ATL NL 139 495 95 162 22 3 47 118 1 1 71 58 .327 .410 .669 194 331 0 5 21 2 9 MVP-3,AS
1972 38 ATL NL 129 449 75 119 10 0 34 77 4 0 92 55 .265 .390 .514 147 231 0 2 15 1 17 MVP-16,AS
1973 39 ATL NL 120 392 84 118 12 1 40 96 1 1 68 51 .301 .402 .643 177 252 0 4 13 1 7 MVP-12,AS
1974 40 ATL NL 112 340 47 91 16 0 20 69 1 0 39 29 .268 .341 .491 128 167 1 2 6 0 6 AS
1975 41 MIL AL 137 465 45 109 16 2 12 60 0 1 70 51 .234 .332 .355 94 165 1 6 3 1 15 AS
1976 42 MIL AL 85 271 22 62 8 0 10 35 0 1 35 38 .229 .315 .369 102 100 0 2 1 0 8
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23 Seasons 12364 3771 98 2297 73 1383 .305 .374 .555 155 21 121 293 32 328
3298 2174 624 755 240 1402 6856
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162 Game Avg 607 107 185 31 5 37 113 12 4 69 68 .305 .374 .555 155 337 1 6 14 2 16
Career High 161 631 127 223 46 14 47 132 31 10 92 97 .355 .410 .669 194 400 7 12 23 4 22
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Here is Barry's stats.
Batting Glossary / Gamelogs: Year--------1986198719881989199019911992199319941995199619971998199920002001200220032004200520062007 / Splits: Year--------Career--------1986198719881989199019911992199319941995199619971998199920002001200220032004200520062007 / HR Log / PI Finders:Game / Streak / Event / PI vs. Pitcher / Neutralize Stats
750 Runs /1968 Dodgers / 2000 Rockies
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
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1986 21 PIT NL 113 413 72 92 26 3 16 48 36 7 65 102 .223 .330 .416 103 172 2 2 2 2 4 RoY-6
1987 22 PIT NL 150 551 99 144 34 9 25 59 32 10 54 88 .261 .329 .492 114 271 0 3 3 3 4
1988 23 PIT NL 144 538 97 152 30 5 24 58 17 11 72 82 .283 .368 .491 147 264 0 2 14 2 3
1989 24 PIT NL 159 580 96 144 34 6 19 58 32 10 93 93 .248 .351 .426 125 247 1 4 22 1 9
1990 25 PIT NL 151 519 104 156 32 3 33 114 52 13 93 83 .301 .406 .565 170 293 0 6 15 3 8 SS,MVP-1,AS
1991 26 PIT NL 153 510 95 149 28 5 25 116 43 13 107 73 .292 .410 .514 161 262 0 13 25 4 8 SS,MVP-2
1992 27 PIT NL 140 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 39 8 127 69 .311 .456 .624 205 295 0 7 32 5 9 SS,MVP-1,AS
1993 28 SFG NL 159 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 29 12 126 79 .336 .458 .677 206 365 0 7 43 2 11 SS,MVP-1,AS
1994 29 SFG NL 112 391 89 122 18 1 37 81 29 9 74 43 .312 .426 .647 182 253 0 3 18 6 3 SS,MVP-4,AS
1995 30 SFG NL 144 506 109 149 30 7 33 104 31 10 120 83 .294 .431 .577 168 292 0 4 22 5 12 MVP-12,AS
1996 31 SFG NL 158 517 122 159 27 3 42 129 40 7 151 76 .308 .461 .615 186 318 0 6 30 1 11 SS,MVP-5,AS
1997 32 SFG NL 159 532 123 155 26 5 40 101 37 8 145 87 .291 .446 .585 170 311 0 5 34 8 13 SS,MVP-5,AS
1998 33 SFG NL 156 552 120 167 44 7 37 122 28 12 130 92 .303 .438 .609 177 336 1 6 29 8 15 MVP-8,AS
1999 34 SFG NL 102 355 91 93 20 2 34 83 15 2 73 62 .262 .389 .617 162 219 0 3 9 3 6 MVP-24
2000 35 SFG NL 143 480 129 147 28 4 49 106 11 3 117 77 .306 .440 .688 191 330 0 7 22 3 6 SS,MVP-2,AS
2001 36 SFG NL 153 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 13 3 177 93 .328 .515 .863 262 411 0 2 35 9 5 SS,MVP-1,AS
2002 37 SFG NL 143 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 9 2 198 47 .370 .582 .799 275 322 0 2 68 9 4 SS,MVP-1,AS
2003 38 SFG NL 130 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 7 0 148 58 .341 .529 .749 231 292 0 2 61 10 7 SS,MVP-1,AS
2004 39 SFG NL 147 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 6 1 232 41 .362 .609 .812 260 303 0 3 120 9 5 SS,MVP-1,AS
2005 40 SFG NL 14 42 8 12 1 0 5 10 0 0 9 6 .286 .404 .667 177 28 0 1 3 0 0
2006 41 SFG NL 130 367 74 99 23 0 26 77 3 0 115 51 .270 .454 .545 156 200 0 1 38 10 9
2007 42 SFG NL 16 48 12 16 3 0 6 12 1 0 13 7 .333 .468 .771 225 37 0 1 2 0 1
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22 Seasons 9555 2857 77 1942 141 1492 .299 .443 .609 183 4 90 647 103 153
2876 2164 590 740 510 2439 5821
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162 Game Avg 538 122 161 33 4 42 109 29 8 137 84 .299 .443 .609 183 328 0 5 36 6 9
Career High 159 580 129 181 44 9 73 137 52 13 232 102 .370 .609 .863 275 411 2 13 120 10 15
Look at his OBP! Look at his slugging percentage. How about leading the NL in batting average in 2002 (.370), 2004 (.362). He has led the NL in slugging every year since 2001! He is the all time leader in BB, and the all time leader in intentional walks. Between 2000-2004 he averaged a home run 1-8.3 at bats! He is the greatest baseball player, PERIOD.
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HAHAHAHAHA Bonds has 1000 more walks then Aaron, how can one argue with that, can't believe douche bags on here claim he would have barely hit 500 without any drugs. ::)
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15 more to go!
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[quote author=americanbulldog
Here is Barry's stats.
Look at his OBP! Look at his slugging percentage. How about leading the NL in batting average in 2002 (.370), 2004 (.362). He has led the NL in slugging every year since 2001! He is the all time leader in BB, and the all time leader in intentional walks. Between 2000-2004 he averaged a home run 1-8.3 at bats! He is the greatest baseball player, PERIOD.
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That really should be period to thios discussion. The guy is the best ever. he is playing a much more competitive game than years back.
Also, I think the intentional walk thing should be banned or at least only aloud to be used 1 time per game and never more. Ruins the game.
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The "key" according to these guys is to look at Barr's 00-04 stats - excactly when his juicing was maximized!! ::)
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The "key" according to these guys is to look at Barr's 00-04 stats - excactly when his juicing was maximized!! ::)
How about the juiced ball. MLB needed to get back into the spotlight after the strike. They allowed this to happen, Barry didn't start taking serious stuff until after Sosa and Mac started playing homerun derby. Does MLB suggest putting an asterisk over the entire period? BTW, check out pics of ARod when he was senior in High school, is he using GH as well.
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How about the juiced ball. MLB needed to get back into the spotlight after the strike. They allowed this to happen, Barry didn't start taking serious stuff until after Sosa and Mac started playing homerun derby. Does MLB suggest putting an asterisk over the entire period? BTW, check out pics of ARod when he was senior in High school, is he using GH as well.
THe owners of the MLB needed something to draw the fans back after the strike. What better way then to have one of the most coveted records be broken. They could have cared less if the players juiced. And if steroids are the answer to breaking the records, there should be may young players RIGHT NOW who have a GREAT shot at breaking Bonds HR record.
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THe owners of the MLB needed something to draw the fans back after the strike. What better way then to have one of the most coveted records be broken. They could have cared less if the players juiced. And if steroids are the answer to breaking the records, there should be may young players RIGHT NOW who have a GREAT shot at breaking Bonds HR record.
The key thing is longevity. ARod could easily surpass Bond's record if he can stay injury free.
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for me (and im sure alot of people) i dont hate bonds because he "probably" did steroids. i hate him because he is an arogant, rude asshole.
im sure if it was mark mcgwire who was about to break the record people would feel alot differently about it. and im sure hank aaron would be at that game.
Funny. I'm the other way.
I like Bonds because he's an asshole, disregards what everyone thinks of him. I dislike him because he probably cheated and used steroids.
-Hedge
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Funny. I'm the other way.
I like Bonds because he's an asshole, disregards what everyone thinks of him. I dislike him because he probably cheated and used steroids.
-Hedge
But everyone in the 90's was. What about Reuben Sierra? Juan Gonzalez? Lenny Dykstra? Frank Thomas? Albert Belle? Dave Henderson? I can go on and on about all the juicers, Bond's has just had the longevity. How many guys in their late 30s start hitting 370? The dude is SERIOUS talent, and should be considered the greatest of all time.
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:-\um no
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^^^He is hitting 362, has 8 home runs in 58 ABs. With a 828 slugging percentage and a 519 OBP, he is on pace to have another earth shattering year. And BTW for all the haters, he is 42.
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^^^He is hitting 362, has 8 home runs in 58 ABs. With a 828 slugging percentage and a 519 OBP, he is on pace to have another earth shattering year. And BTW for all the haters, he is 42.
For all the haters of fairness: don't worry this twit will easily surmount the record, cheating all the way. Don't really care that others did it, he quite obviously did it AND is an obnoxious, sad invidual. All that money, acolades, aclaim and the best he can do is bitterness & resentment.
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^^^He is hitting 362, has 8 home runs in 58 ABs. With a 828 slugging percentage and a 519 OBP, he is on pace to have another earth shattering year. And BTW for all the haters, he is 42.
I hope he ends up winning another MVP while breaking the record this year which will be a big Fuck You to the haters. I was talking the other day about it and I think it could happen, what a better way to say screw you to all the doubters.
For all the haters of fairness: don't worry this twit will easily surmount the record, cheating all the way. Don't really care that others did it, he quite obviously did it AND is an obnoxious, sad invidual. All that money, acolades, aclaim and the best he can do is bitterness & resentment.
Please elaborate master of all knowledge and sole provider of opinions. Your a complete moron go back to arguing something you know about ( ::) which is nothing regarding anything discussed on this site). Oh wait sorry I have no room to talk I am only 16 and have only been lifting for 6 months ::) When you have any kind of actual point other then just a bullshit opinion which you will state as fact please share even though I doubt that could happen.
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Sorry if this has already been answered in the thread:
I thought the MBL had implied some kind of steroid policy, and that frequently testing Bonds would be highest on their agenda (keeping him off-steroids would be good PR, probably).
Can't imagine a bigger disaster, perhaps another lockout/strike, to the MBL than if Bonds would get caught in a random doping test.
So:
If he's producing great numbers right now, is he still juicing, and how can he possibly be?
-Hedge
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Passing a daily drug screen is very easy to do...just use gh, insulin...
The drug testing is easy to beat, but a daily or weekly testing is much more difficult for steroids only and this is one of the reason that the TRUE steroid era in sports was the mid 80's and NOT 2000.
I have been saying for years that a baseball pitcher with mets asked me tons of questions in 1987 at my friends club every week....it just came out yesterday that the guy selling the stuff in the locker room and working for the mets from 85-95 was either arrested or something like that.
The truth is every single athlete coming into the gym I trained at in mid late 80's used stuff...EVRY SINGLE ONE (baseball, football, boxing, basket ball (college), bodybuilding, track and field olympic trials and womens vollyball).
lay off Barry...he is awesome and the best of the best.
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Great point, American Bulldog!!!
It is becoming more and more common to see 42 year old guys breaking records, winning titles etc.
Barry, Roger Clemens etc train all year round and don't lay off like the guys that will never be great..
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yea man Berry's awsome dude epic rolemodel for the kids I plan on teaching my son to be just like him in tee ball
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yea man Berry's awsome dude epic rolemodel for the kids I plan on teaching my son to be just like him in tee ball
Great ::) One day maybe he too can be a zillionare with the world's worst attitude, filled with resentment and bitterness. Well worth it.
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I have been saying for years that a baseball pitcher with mets asked me tons of questions in 1987 at my friends club every week....
Come on, name names. Ron Darling? Gooden? Cone? Ojeda? Randy Meyers?
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Pretty obvious Selig is on the sauce.
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Great ::) One day maybe he too can be a zillionare with the world's worst attitude, filled with resentment and bitterness. Well worth it.
Bonds doesn't want to be a role model... he's said so on many occasions.
How can anyone talk about Barry Bonds when it comes to being a role model?
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Bonds doesn't want to be a role model... he's said so on many occasions.
How can anyone talk about Barry Bonds when it comes to being a role model?
It's too bad that Bond's talent, and skills get indighted because of his chit attitude. I don't like his disposition, but he isn't hired to be nice.
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It's too bad that Bond's talent, and skills get indighted because of his chit attitude. I don't like his disposition, but he isn't hired to be nice.
Exactly. The guy is paid to hit the baseball out of the park... And he's done a FANTASTIC job at that.
Hate all you want, that's a future hall of famer there... What will you be remembered for?
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Exactly. The guy is paid to hit the baseball out of the park... And he's done a FANTASTIC job at that.
Hate all you want, that's a future hall of famer there... What will you be remembered for?
Big Mac was a sure first ballot hall of famer too. Same thing is going to happen to Bonds even with a 73 homerun season and 755+ career taters. The writers won't vote him in first ballot. They are going to make him pay for both cheating and then lying about it.
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HAHAHAHAHA Bonds has 1000 more walks then Aaron, how can one argue with that, can't believe douche bags on here claim he would have barely hit 500 without any drugs. ::)
After 1998 Bonds was a totally different player. He saw the attention Sosa and Big Mac were getting and got jealous. The Cardinals were playing the Giants at Candlestick and Big Mac was treated like a god. Thats when he vowed to friends and teammates he wouldn't let those two guys grab all the spotlight and in the 1998 offseason he started his AAS use. He never had the real big power numbers before that. He would hit 35 to 40 homers a year. Then it magically shot up to 73 at 37 years old?
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After 1998 Bonds was a totally different player. He saw the attention Sosa and Big Mac were getting and got jealous. The Cardinals were playing the Giants at Candlestick and Big Mac was treated like a god. Thats when he vowed to friends and teammates he wouldn't let those two guys grab all the spotlight and in the 1998 offseason he started his AAS use. He never had the real big power numbers before that. He would hit 35 to 40 homers a year. Then it magically shot up to 73 at 37 years old?
He only hit over 50 once and he was setting records for walks in the early to mid 90's. He was always a dangerous hitter.
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Big Mac was a sure first ballot hall of famer too. Same thing is going to happen to Bonds even with a 73 homerun season and 755+ career taters. The writers won't vote him in first ballot. They are going to make him pay for both cheating and then lying about it.
Yeah ok your a moron. How is argueably the best player ever gonna not make it the first time. He's won 7 MVPs and no one else has more then 3, there is no way he won't be in the HOF on his first try.
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Yeah ok your a moron. How is argueably the best player ever gonna not make it the first time. He's won 7 MVPs and no one else has more then 3, there is no way he won't be in the HOF on his first try.
Don't underestimate the stupidity of the american sportswriter. After all, they're the ones who gave Colon the Cy over Santana last year, and IRod the MVP over Jeter in 99.
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Don't underestimate the stupidity of the american sportswriter. After all, they're the ones who gave Colon the Cy over Santana last year, and IRod the MVP over Jeter in 99.
Oh, don't get me wrong, the American sports writers are total haters.
They talk about cheating, when EVERYONE in baseball knew the guys were juicing. Big fucking deal, it was good for baseball, and you know what? It's STILL good for baseball.
Baseball was done, the long ball, and now the steroid "scandal" (I thought for it to be a scandal it had to be a big secret?) has brought baseball back.
No publicity is bad publicity.
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They talk about cheating, when EVERYONE in baseball knew the guys were juicing. Big fucking deal, it was good for baseball, and you know what? It's STILL good for baseball.
This is exactly the correct point.
How can baseball prosecute those who they shamelessly promototed throught the whole thing. They fucked this whole thing up. They just need to move on from here, and deal with the ramifications of their actions during the late 90s.
I can't get into it now, but it's a shame that Bonds' accomplishments will be clouded by this. His 73 hr season is amazing on so many levels.
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Don't underestimate the stupidity of the american sportswriter. After all, they're the ones who gave Colon the Cy over Santana last year, and IRod the MVP over Jeter in 99.
This isn't a reward for a seasons work but for a lifetime and Barry will retire with many records and having done feats no other man in the history of baseball has done. There is no way they could deny him a first time ballot HOF without losing any and all credibility that they have. It would be like saying Arnold could have not been Governor because he was known to have smoked weed when he was younger, it doesn't matter when you have an entire career of greatness that can't be denied.
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Pretty obvious Selig is on the sauce.
Ahahahah! Selig is ripped.
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This isn't a reward for a seasons work but for a lifetime and Barry will retire with many records and having done feats no other man in the history of baseball has done. There is no way they could deny him a first time ballot HOF without losing any and all credibility that they have. It would be like saying Arnold could have not been Governor because he was known to have smoked weed when he was younger, it doesn't matter when you have an entire career of greatness that can't be denied.
I sincerely hope so. Bond's isn't guilty of anything most of the MLBPA members were already doing. He just did it at a totally higher level than anyone else. Like it was already said, he was getting on base at a horrific level pre steroids. He made Andy Van Slyke and Bobby Bonilla, Mike Levallier (SP). When he came to the Giants, Matt Williams got an extended lease on life, and Jeff Kent got an MVP. He makes everyone around him better hitters. HE BETTER be a first ballot HOF. When you look at what he accomplished on the field, he is BAR NONE, the GREATEST player of ALL TIME.
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the all time hitter is not in the HOF and the all time HR hitter wont be either
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AND is an obnoxious,
If there is something Barry Bonds is NOT, it's obnoxious. :-\
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Ahahahah! Selig is ripped.
Selig blows coke to "get up" for games.
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If there is something Barry Bonds is NOT, it's obnoxious. :-\
Sure buddy
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Hey Dipshit/pumpster, being in SF you would think you would see his obnoxiousness often, right? Well, if he ignores the media/press, and sits by himself with nobody talking to him in the clubhouse.....how is that obnoxious?
Maybe if he were like Terrell Owens running his mouth to the press, taking his life or asking (yet again!) for a trade to another team because he can't get a Super Bowl ring for every finger, THEN I would consider Bonds obnoxious. But that's not what he is.
Have a nice day Dipshit/pumpster. :)
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Hey Dipshit/pumpster, being in SF you would think you would see his obnoxiousness often, right? Well, if he ignores the media/press, and sits by himself with nobody talking to him in the clubhouse.....how is that obnoxious?
Maybe if he were like Terrell Owens running his mouth to the press, taking his life or asking (yet again!) for a trade to another team because he can't get a Super Bowl ring for every finger, THEN I would consider Bonds obnoxious. But that's not what he is.
Have a nice day Dipshit/pumpster. :)
If it makes you better to think so, go to it dickhead. Lots of people find him obnxious; the fact that you don't see it says volumes about you.
Hope this helps
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If it makes you better to think so, go to it dickhead. Lots of people find him obnxious; the fact that you don't see it says volumes about you.
Hope this helps
I don't find him obnoxious at all actually... The people who find him obnoxious are usually the people who are nosey neighbors and what to be in everyone else's business.
They find it obnoxious that he DOESN'T want to talk to people...
ob·nox·ious audio (b-nkshs, b-) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
1. Very annoying or objectionable; offensive or odious: "I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution" (Ulysses S. Grant).
2. Archaic Exposed to harm, injury, or evil: "The town ... now lies obnoxious to its foes" (John Bunyan).
3. Archaic Deserving of or liable to censure.
I don't really find him annoying at all... he censures himself by not talking, and he isn't exposing himself to injury.
Perhaps if you just said that you "don't like the guy", It would be a more accurate statement.
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This forum's got about 5 regular posters. What any particular dude thinks is basically irrelevant.
There are plenty, probably even a majority, who can't stand him. The amount of verbiage or lackthereof is not the measure.
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This forum's got about 5 regular posters. What any particular dude thinks is basically irrelevant.
There are plenty, probably even a majority, who can't stand him. The amount of verbiage or lackthereof is not the measure.
Like I said, disliking someone doesn't make them obnoxious...
It is your right to hate if you want to though... Enjoy.
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Apparently, pumpster has his own definitions for words.
So, when does the Merriam-Pumpster dictionary come out? ::)
We need to know how to define ones character, should we ever get into a discourse with pumpster.
I.D:10T :-X
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Like I said, disliking someone doesn't make them obnoxious...
It is your right to hate if you want to though... Enjoy.
Dude be smart and stop trying to win a pissing contest, UNLESS you can come up with extensive polling supporting your opinion as that of the majority LOL. Absurd; you REALLY seem to have nothing to discuss other than defending your hero over trivia.
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Apparently, pumpster has his own definitions for words.
So, when does the Merriam-Pumpster dictionary come out? ::)
We need to know how to define ones character, should we ever get into a discourse with pumpster.
I.D:10T :-X
When you have to attack someone personally because you have nothing, it's defined as
D-E-S-P-E-R-A-T-E LOL
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Bonds doesn't want to be a role model... he's said so on many occasions.
How can anyone talk about Barry Bonds when it comes to being a role model?
Tu he is role model like every other professional athlete, whether he wants to be or not. Millions of kids idolize these guys. And I think these athletes deliberately foster this athlete worship by, among other things, selling their jerseys (primarily to youngsters) and selling their autographs.
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Tu he is role model like every other professional athlete, whether he wants to be or not. Millions of kids idolize these guys. And I think these athletes deliberately foster this athlete worship by, among other things, selling their jerseys (primarily to youngsters) and selling their autographs.
I disagree... I don't see any of these guys as "role models".
They do a job... Their job happens to be playing a game. If someone's kid would rather be like Bonds than their own parent... There's an issue, and it's not Barry.
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I disagree... I don't see any of these guys as "role models".
They do a job... Their job happens to be playing a game. If someone's kid would rather be like Bonds than their own parent... There's an issue, and it's not Barry.
I disagree . . . too. :) These athletes shouldn't be role models, but the fact is millions of kids do look up to these athletes. I'm even guilty of sending mixed messages. I tell my kids these athletes are not role models, but they are right along with me virtually worshiping my favorite teams and athletes. My admiration for these players ends when the clock strikes zero, but I think many kids aren't able to do this. These are public figures. They not only play the game, they sell themselves, put their merchandise all over the place, invite kids to put posters on the kids' bedroom walls, sell baseball cards, etc. They use these kids to help make money. They cannot do all of these things (and more) and then claim to have no responsibility to the millions of kids who idolize them.
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I disagree... I don't see any of these guys as "role models".
They do a job... Their job happens to be playing a game. If someone's kid would rather be like Bonds than their own parent... There's an issue, and it's not Barry.
Tu deserves the adage: "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one." Tu, what you think is just your opinion AKA who cares or thinks it's relevant just because you personally decide to look the other way over this douchebag? ;D You're clearly extremely biased in your opinion, which isn't representative.
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Tu deserves the adage: "opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one." Tu, what you think is just your opinion AKA who cares or thinks it's relevant just because you personally decide to look the other way over this douchebag? ;D You're clearly extremely biased in your opinion, which isn't representative.
The difference is that I "know" it's an opinion... You're acting like yours is law.
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Please elaborate master of all knowledge and sole provider of opinions. Your a complete moron go back to arguing something you know about ( ::) which is nothing regarding anything discussed on this site). Oh wait sorry I have no room to talk I am only 16 and have only been lifting for 6 months ::) When you have any kind of actual point other then just a bullshit opinion which you will state as fact please share even though I doubt that could happen.
I think I will use this post again, Pumpster is a fuckin douche times two. WTF is your problem, your opinions are fact and the majority without even showing any backing.
Then you write shit like this to counter a reasonable argumentIf it makes you better to think so, go to it dickhead. Lots of people find him obnxious; the fact that you don't see it says volumes about you.
Hope this helps
What in the hell is that supposed to mean, you just make a open statement in an attempt to tell someone if they don't think the same as you they must be stupid or have bad morals. I have yet to see a post by you in which your not negative or open to someone else's views. Your just like a Roman Catholic or Mormon ;D
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bonds=Bitch
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bonds=Bitch
Bonds= New homerun leader and MLB Hall of Fame
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Bonds= New homerun leader and MLB Hall of Fame
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bonds=Bitch
Pithy
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Yeah ok your a moron. How is argueably the best player ever gonna not make it the first time. He's won 7 MVPs and no one else has more then 3, there is no way he won't be in the HOF on his first try.
Wanna put some money on it? Big Mac didn't and neither will Bonds. They are going to make him wait. Just like Hank Aaron not going to see him break his record and offering up "no comment" about Bonds.
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Does anyone know for certain that Hank Aaron never did juice?
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Does anyone know for certain that Hank Aaron never did juice?
This is referred to as the desperation theory. ;)
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Does anyone know for certain that Hank Aaron never did juice?
AGAIN, Hank played in the day when players used to drink a shitload of stuff called "Red Juice." It contained Benzadrine (aka Bennies) and is essentially amphetamines. The traveling conditions were much worse, and these guys drank that stuff to have more stamina.
So, while it may be unknown whether or not Hank used steroids, it's well known him and all the players/teammates of the day were speed freaks due to the aforementioned "Red Juice."
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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/content/sports/epaper/2006/04/02/PBP_AMPHET_0402.html
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I'm hoping for a career ending injury when he gets within two HR's that would be funny as hell
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This is referred to as the desperation theory. ;)
Haha... hardly... This is referred to as "Normal Inquiry".
See, only people who are afraid that there may be something there are afraid to ask.
We know Bonds juiced... and I for one don't really care. As I've said before, It was good for baseball.
I can only imagine how you'd choke out the words "Yes, Hank took steroids." If it was found out he did.
You're a funny guy pumpster...
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Wanna put some money on it? Big Mac didn't and neither will Bonds. They are going to make him wait. Just like Hank Aaron not going to see him break his record and offering up "no comment" about Bonds.
Comparing him to McGwire is a joke, your a fucking idiot. The only thing they have in common is hitting 70+ HR in a season and getting walked a lot (which bonds did much more often), otherwise they are completely different players with Bonds being the much better of the two by a handfull of MVP's and records. Why don't you compare Albert Belle and Kenny Loften now.... ::) ::) ::)
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Comparing him to McGwire is a joke, your a fucking idiot. The only thing they have in common is hitting 70+ HR in a season and getting walked a lot (which bonds did much more often), otherwise they are completely different players with Bonds being the much better of the two by a handfull of MVP's and records. Why don't you compare Albert Belle and Kenny Loften now.... ::) ::) ::)
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
1986 21 PIT NL 113 413 72 92 26 3 16 48 36 7 65 102 .223 .330 .416 103 172 2 2 2 2 4 RoY-6
1987 22 PIT NL 150 551 99 144 34 9 25 59 32 10 54 88 .261 .329 .492 114 271 0 3 3 3 4
1988 23 PIT NL 144 538 97 152 30 5 24 58 17 11 72 82 .283 .368 .491 147 264 0 2 14 2 3
1989 24 PIT NL 159 580 96 144 34 6 19 58 32 10 93 93 .248 .351 .426 125 247 1 4 22 1 9
1990 25 PIT NL 151 519 104 156 32 3 33 114 52 13 93 83 .301 .406 .565 170 293 0 6 15 3 8 SS,MVP-1,AS
1991 26 PIT NL 153 510 95 149 28 5 25 116 43 13 107 73 .292 .410 .514 161 262 0 13 25 4 8 SS,MVP-2
1992 27 PIT NL 140 473 109 147 36 5 34 103 39 8 127 69 .311 .456 .624 205 295 0 7 32 5 9 SS,MVP-1,AS
1993 28 SFG NL 159 539 129 181 38 4 46 123 29 12 126 79 .336 .458 .677 206 365 0 7 43 2 11 SS,MVP-1,AS
1994 29 SFG NL 112 391 89 122 18 1 37 81 29 9 74 43 .312 .426 .647 182 253 0 3 18 6 3 SS,MVP-4,AS
1995 30 SFG NL 144 506 109 149 30 7 33 104 31 10 120 83 .294 .431 .577 168 292 0 4 22 5 12 MVP-12,AS
1996 31 SFG NL 158 517 122 159 27 3 42 129 40 7 151 76 .308 .461 .615 186 318 0 6 30 1 11 SS,MVP-5,AS
1997 32 SFG NL 159 532 123 155 26 5 40 101 37 8 145 87 .291 .446 .585 170 311 0 5 34 8 13 SS,MVP-5,AS
1998 33 SFG NL 156 552 120 167 44 7 37 122 28 12 130 92 .303 .438 .609 177 336 1 6 29 8 15 MVP-8,AS
1999 34 SFG NL 102 355 91 93 20 2 34 83 15 2 73 62 .262 .389 .617 162 219 0 3 9 3 6 MVP-24
2000 35 SFG NL 143 480 129 147 28 4 49 106 11 3 117 77 .306 .440 .688 191 330 0 7 22 3 6 SS,MVP-2,AS
2001 36 SFG NL 153 476 129 156 32 2 73 137 13 3 177 93 .328 .515 .863 262 411 0 2 35 9 5 SS,MVP-1,AS
2002 37 SFG NL 143 403 117 149 31 2 46 110 9 2 198 47 .370 .582 .799 275 322 0 2 68 9 4 SS,MVP-1,AS
2003 38 SFG NL 130 390 111 133 22 1 45 90 7 0 148 58 .341 .529 .749 231 292 0 2 61 10 7 SS,MVP-1,AS
2004 39 SFG NL 147 373 129 135 27 3 45 101 6 1 232 41 .362 .609 .812 260 303 0 3 120 9 5 SS,MVP-1,AS
2005 40 SFG NL 14 42 8 12 1 0 5 10 0 0 9 6 .286 .404 .667 177 28 0 1 3 0 0
2006 41 SFG NL 130 367 74 99 23 0 26 77 3 0 115 51 .270 .454 .545 156 200 0 1 38 10 9
2007 42 SFG NL 24 67 19 23 3 0 9 21 1 0 23 10 .343 .511 .791 242 53 0 1 9 1 2
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22 Seasons 9574 2864 77 1951 141 1495 .299 .443 .610 183 4 90 654 104 154
2884 2171 590 743 510 2449 5837
Career 300 hitter who has hit .370 in his career, better OBP, more intentional walks, a five tool guy, gold glover, career .600+ slugging percentage, the only member of the 500-500 club, Big Mac is nowhere near comparable to Bonds.
Big Mac's career:
Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
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1986 22 OAK AL 18 53 10 10 1 0 3 9 0 1 4 18 .189 .259 .377 76 20 0 0 0 1 0
1987 23 OAK AL 151 557 97 161 28 4 49 118 1 1 71 131 .289 .370 .618 164 344 0 8 8 5 6 MVP-6,RoY-1,AS
1988 24 OAK AL 155 550 87 143 22 1 32 99 0 0 76 117 .260 .352 .478 134 263 1 4 4 4 15 MVP-19,AS
1989 25 OAK AL 143 490 74 113 17 0 33 95 1 1 83 94 .231 .339 .467 130 229 0 11 5 3 23 MVP-25,AS
1990 26 OAK AL 156 523 87 123 16 0 39 108 2 1 110 116 .235 .370 .489 143 256 1 9 9 7 13 MVP-11,AS
1991 27 OAK AL 154 483 62 97 22 0 22 75 2 1 93 116 .201 .330 .383 103 185 1 5 3 3 13 AS
1992 28 OAK AL 139 467 87 125 22 0 42 104 0 1 90 105 .268 .385 .585 175 273 0 9 12 5 10 SS,MVP-4,AS
1993 29 OAK AL 27 84 16 28 6 0 9 24 0 1 21 19 .333 .467 .726 224 61 0 1 5 1 0
1994 30 OAK AL 47 135 26 34 3 0 9 25 0 0 37 40 .252 .413 .474 137 64 0 0 3 0 3
1995 31 OAK AL 104 317 75 87 13 0 39 90 1 1 88 77 .274 .441 .685 200 217 0 6 5 11 9 MVP-16,AS
1996 32 OAK AL 130 423 104 132 21 0 52 113 0 0 116 112 .312 .467 .730 203 309 0 1 16 8 14 SS,MVP-7,AS
1997 33 TOT 156 540 86 148 27 0 58 123 3 0 101 159 .274 .393 .646 168 349 0 7 16 9 9
OAK AL 105 366 48 104 24 0 34 81 1 0 58 98 .284 .383 .628 161 230 0 5 8 4 9 AS
STL NL 51 174 38 44 3 0 24 42 2 0 43 61 .253 .411 .684 182 119 0 2 8 5 0 MVP-16
1998 34 STL NL 155 509 130 152 21 0 70 147 1 0 162 155 .299 .470 .752 217 383 0 4 28 6 8 SS,MVP-2,AS
1999 35 STL NL 153 521 118 145 21 1 65 147 0 0 133 141 .278 .424 .697 178 363 0 5 21 2 12 MVP-5,AS
2000 36 STL NL 89 236 60 72 8 0 32 73 1 0 76 78 .305 .483 .746 205 176 0 2 12 7 5 AS
2001 37 STL NL 97 299 48 56 4 0 29 64 0 0 56 118 .187 .316 .492 106 147 0 6 3 3 7
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
16 Seasons 6187 1626 6 1414 8 1596 .263 .394 .588 163 3 78 150 75 147
1874 1167 252 583 12 1317 3639
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12 more to go!
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12 more to go!
It's weird how the sports Channels and Mags are now seeming to be all about hyping up Barry and his chase for the record especially with how well he's been playin this year.
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Now to 11! And fuck Curt Schilling. I hope Bonds taters one off him!
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Now to 11! And fuck Curt Schilling. I hope Bonds taters one off him!
I have lost almost all respect I've had for Curt, it's one thing to suspect someone of something and quite another to straight out say it as truth with no hard proof what so ever. It's just very unprofessional and def on the level of getbiggers, if he wants to talk trash he should just make a gimmick acount here and let it all out, not under his own name on a baseball blog. ;D BTW Bonds is owning everyone who hates him this year GO BONDS!!!
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zero respect for either of them
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5 more to History!
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Not much anticipation for this he loses despite getting it.
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Not much anticipation for this he loses despite getting it.
Yeah, I really think nobody outside of San Francisco cares about either this record or his season home run record.
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Yeah, I really think nobody outside of San Francisco cares about either this record or his season home run record.
Not a lot of people here (SF bay area) give a crap either.
Bonds should just tie the record and then walk off the field for ever. He's a disgrace. He will never have the respect he thinks he deserves for what he's accomplished and that goes for Mark McGuire too.
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Not a lot of people here (SF bay area) give a crap either.
Bonds should just tie the record and then walk off the field for ever. He's a disgrace. He will never have the respect he thinks he deserves for what he's accomplished and that goes for Mark McGuire too.
Your blind to the fact that Barry is a serious candidate for the best player to EVER play the game of Baseball. Ignorance like yours never ceases to amaze me. What's next Jack Nicklaus was overrated, Michael Jordan was all hype, Carl Lewis had no competition, etc... ::) ::) ::)
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Your blind to the fact that Barry is a serious candidate for the best player to EVER play the game of Baseball. Ignorance like yours never ceases to amaze me. What's next Jack Nicklaus was overrated, Michael Jordan was all hype, Carl Lewis had no competition, etc... ::) ::) ::)
I think Bonds has major issues that hurt him, of course the steroid thing. He is a known liar. How he treated his wife. His income tax issues. He treats most people like shitt including fans. He has never won a world series. He has terrible numbers in the post season. Add that shit up and it severely tarnishes him legacy.
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Your blind to the fact that Barry is a serious candidate for the best player to EVER play the game of Baseball. Ignorance like yours never ceases to amaze me. What's next Jack Nicklaus was overrated, Michael Jordan was all hype, Carl Lewis had no competition, etc... ::) ::) ::)
A lot of sf fans get like this when people rip bonds. Almost like Bonds does not deserve the rep he has. He does not have a ring, and his postseason numbers do suck. That would hurt anyone. Nevermind a known cheater. Bonds has the talent to be considered one of the best to ever play the game. Problem is he took all kinds of illegal shit to get where he is record wise. That would taint anyones legacy. Makes what Hank did drug free even more impressive.
As for Jordan, Lewis, and Nichalus, they where not cheaters. You could come at me with the argument that we cannot know for sure if they took steroids or not, but that is a weak argument used by people who try to justify other players cheating. I know you wouldn't come at me with an argument like that ;)
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I think Bonds has major issues that hurt him, of course the steroid thing. He is a known liar. How he treated his wife. His income tax issues. He treats most people like shitt including fans. He has never won a world series. He has terrible numbers in the post season. Add that shit up and it severely tarnishes him legacy.
Pretty clean cut case. All that would tarnish anyones legacy. The juice thing being the most obvious since it is cheating.
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A lot of sf fans get like this when people rip bonds. Almost like Bonds does not deserve the rep he has. He does not have a ring, and his postseason numbers do suck. That would hurt anyone. Nevermind a known cheater. Bonds has the talent to be considered one of the best to ever play the game. Problem is he took all kinds of illegal shit to get where he is record wise. That would taint anyones legacy. Makes what Hank did drug free even more impressive.
As for Jordan, Lewis, and Nichalus, they where not cheaters. You could come at me with the argument that we cannot know for sure if they took steroids or not, but that is a weak argument used by people who try to justify other players cheating. I know you wouldn't come at me with an argument like that ;)
Well since they didn't used to even test how can you say it's cheating. Should they do investigations on every player to play after the introduction to steroids and void all their records and careers. ???
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Pretty clean cut case. All that would tarnish anyones legacy. The juice thing being the most obvious since it is cheating.
Show me his negative test, body. Until then, s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n.
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Your blind to the fact that Barry is a serious candidate for the best player to EVER play the game of Baseball. Ignorance like yours never ceases to amaze me. What's next Jack Nicklaus was overrated, Michael Jordan was all hype, Carl Lewis had no competition, etc... ::) ::) ::)
Time for you to get off his nutz just long enough to realize that he'll never be the clear-cut best ever player for various reasons, especially lack of heart. He doesn't have it even though you look past it and will try to excuse it. There have been other great players WITH that attribute coupled with great talent. He never had it and never will.
BTW stop preaching to others as if you somehow know better.
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Well since they didn't used to even test how can you say it's cheating. Should they do investigations on every player to play after the introduction to steroids and void all their records and careers. ???
You are so far up his ass that you refuse to accept your huge bias. Don't bother with yet another post that tries to excuse it.
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Your blind to the fact that Barry is a serious candidate for the best player to EVER play the game of Baseball. Ignorance like yours never ceases to amaze me. What's next Jack Nicklaus was overrated, Michael Jordan was all hype, Carl Lewis had no competition, etc... ::) ::) ::)
The dude is on steroids. Get over it already. He will forever be held in suspicion and an astrix will be next to his name in the records books.
Jack Nicklaus and Michael Jordan were not.
Calm down. Take a deep breath.
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The dude is on steroids. Get over it already. He will forever be held in suspicion and an astrix will be next to his name in the records books.
Jack Nicklaus and Michael Jordan were not.
Calm down. Take a deep breath.
Please prove that any other athlete IS NOT on steroids k thx.
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Please prove that any other athlete IS NOT on steroids k thx.
Proof of what others may or may not have done has nothing to do with it imo.
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Show me his negative test, body. Until then, s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n.
Not really. Bonds admitted under oath he took steroids. The testimony was leaked. he claimed he took them "unwillingly" but that does not change the fact he used them. The lawyer who leaked it just got 9 more months in jail this past week! His orig sentence we to lenient says a judge.
Not to mention who expects people to believe he did not know he was on juice for years? No test is needed to prove bonds cheated. The fact he is a cock sucker to everyone, has terrible postseason stats, and no ring tarnishes the greatest ever tag also.
Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.
Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.
According to government attorneys, BALCO founder Victor Conte has identified the designer steroid THG as "the clear." A testosterone-based ointment was identified as "the cream." Olympic sprinter Tim Montgomery testified that Conte used flaxseed oil containers to send "the clear" to athletes.
According to a transcript of Bonds' Dec. 4, 2003, testimony reviewed by the Chronicle, prosecutors confronted the slugger with documents allegedly detailing the steroids he used -- "the cream," "the clear," human growth hormone, Depo-Testosterone, insulin and a drug for female infertility that can be used to mask steroid use.
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Well since they didn't used to even test how can you say it's cheating. Should they do investigations on every player to play after the introduction to steroids and void all their records and careers. ???
They can look at the leaked testimony where he admitted he "unwillingly" took juice. They could take into account he had his best season ever as a geezer( only athlete in history to get better when they where over the hill). Check out his power numbers before and after. etc etc.
Barry Bonds testified to a grand jury that he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer who was indicted in a steroid-distribution ring, but said he didn't know they were steroids, the San Francisco Chronicle reported Friday.
Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as "the cream" and "the clear," which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season. According to Bonds, the trainer told him the substances were the nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a pain-relieving balm for the player's arthritis.
According to government attorneys, BALCO founder Victor Conte has identified the designer steroid THG as "the clear." A testosterone-based ointment was identified as "the cream." Olympic sprinter Tim Montgomery testified that Conte used flaxseed oil containers to send "the clear" to athletes.
According to a transcript of Bonds' Dec. 4, 2003, testimony reviewed by the Chronicle, prosecutors confronted the slugger with documents allegedly detailing the steroids he used -- "the cream," "the clear," human growth hormone, Depo-Testosterone, insulin and a drug for female infertility that can be used to mask steroid use.
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Please prove that any other athlete IS NOT on steroids k thx.
Please prove to me ALL of them are. k thx.
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Show me his negative test, body. Until then, s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n.
so was O.J.'s innocence.......k thx.
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so was O.J.'s innocence.......k thx.
OJ IS innocent... the Jury said so.
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Please prove to me ALL of them are. k thx.
No one has to prove anything to you; most believe he was heavy into roids. Bottom line he loses badly in the court of public opinion, provable or not. Deal with it.
That's ASIDE from being an extremely unsavory character few care for.
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No one has to prove anything to you; most believe he was heavy into roids. Bottom line he loses badly in the court of public opinion, provable or not. Deal with it.
That's ASIDE from being an extremely unsavory character few care for.
Pumpster read higher up on the thread next time. :)
I believe he was on steroids. And i think he's an ass.
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Pumpster read higher up on the thread next time. :)
I believe he was on steroids. And i think he's an ass.
I also believe he was on steroids, and I think he's an ass. Still, PLEASE FUCKING EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH ATHLETES ARE/WERE ON STEROIDS/GH OTHER THAN A TEST!!!.
Phsical manifestations of side effects are not apparent in all users. In fact, in most they are not noticable. Did you suspect Palmeiro used? Do you think Jeter does? If no, why not, because he doesn't have a big head (actually he does).
You don't know who's using because you can't know. There's hundreds of guys in every gym who use and you wouldn't have a clue, because they don't have insane muscle, aren't crazy strong, etc. Still, they are using.
MLB, NFL...shit Golf....EVEN TABLE TENNIS has a lot of doping going on. If you can pass the test, YOU ARE FUCKING CLEAR PEOPLE.
Until they test better or make everything legal, there is no even playing field. You don't know how long this has been happening. Steroids have been around for 50+ years, so your idols who were competing for big money WERE USING them for an edge. If you don't think so, you're naive.
So, where does that leave us for Bonds? Well, he's going to break a seemingly unbreakable record (until ARod and Bonds) that was set in an era where steroids existed, amphetamines existed and were rampant, and cocaine and other stimulants were used to perform. Guess what, he's playing the game just like it always has been played.
Why are we applauding Frank Thomas and not Bonds, because he's a nice guy? Why are we applauding Roger Clemens and not Bonds, because he is white? I don't get it. I applaud all these guys, Clemens is a hero of mine, and Bonds, whether you like him or not, is the most devastating hitter we've ever seen.
Stand up and applaud or sit down and shut up. Stop being hypocrites just because he's a dick.
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I also believe he was on steroids, and I think he's an ass. Still, PLEASE FUCKING EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH ATHLETES ARE/WERE ON STEROIDS/GH OTHER THAN A TEST!!!.
Phsical manifestations of side effects are not apparent in all users. In fact, in most they are not noticable. Did you suspect Palmeiro used? Do you think Jeter does? If no, why not, because he doesn't have a big head (actually he does).
You don't know who's using because you can't know. There's hundreds of guys in every gym who use and you wouldn't have a clue, because they don't have insane muscle, aren't crazy strong, etc. Still, they are using.
MLB, NFL...shit Golf....EVEN TABLE TENNIS has a lot of doping going on. If you can pass the test, YOU ARE FUCKING CLEAR PEOPLE.
Until they test better or make everything legal, there is no even playing field. You don't know how long this has been happening. Steroids have been around for 50+ years, so your idols who were competing for big money WERE USING them for an edge. If you don't think so, you're naive.
So, where does that leave us for Bonds? Well, he's going to break a seemingly unbreakable record (until ARod and Bonds) that was set in an era where steroids existed, amphetamines existed and were rampant, and cocaine and other stimulants were used to perform. Guess what, he's playing the game just like it always has been played.
Why are we applauding Frank Thomas and not Bonds, because he's a nice guy? Why are we applauding Roger Clemens and not Bonds, because he is white? I don't get it. I applaud all these guys, Clemens is a hero of mine, and Bonds, whether you like him or not, is the most devastating hitter we've ever seen.
Stand up and applaud or sit down and shut up. Stop being hypocrites just because he's a dick.
The issue here is not whether other players are on steroids, it is whether BONDS is on steroids and since you agree what does your post have to do with anything?
With or without steroids BONDS was a good player but his legacy will be forever marred with steroids. He has shamed the game.
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I also believe he was on steroids, and I think he's an ass. Still, PLEASE FUCKING EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH ATHLETES ARE/WERE ON STEROIDS/GH OTHER THAN A TEST!!!.
I don't think a guy adding muscle is proof that he is on the sauce. You have to look at all of the facts. Here is what convinced me:
- Complete transformation of his body.
- Doubled his homerun production.
- Head grew late in his 30s.
- Shoe size grew from 10.5 to 13 late in his 30s. What is the non-drug use explanation for this?
- He admitted during his grand jury testimony that he was taking something, but claimed he thought it was flaxseed oil. ::)
- He was working hand-in-in-hand with a trainer who was using and selling and worked with an admitted dealer in Conte.
The fact he didn't fail a drug test means absolutely nothing if he was taking something they couldn't test for. Same is true of NFL players. Only about 1 or 2 dummies turn up hot every year, when probably more than half the league is on something.
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I don't think a guy adding muscle is proof that he is on the sauce. You have to look at all of the facts. Here is what convinced me:
- Complete transformation of his body.
- Doubled his homerun production.
- Head grew late in his 30s.
- Shoe size grew from 10.5 to 13 late in his 30s. What is the non-drug use explanation for this?
- He admitted during his grand jury testimony that he was taking something, but claimed he thought it was flaxseed oil. ::)
- He was working hand-in-in-hand with a trainer who was using and selling and worked with an admitted dealer in Conte.
The fact he didn't fail a drug test means absolutely nothing if he was taking something they couldn't test for. Same is true of NFL players. Only about 1 or 2 dummies turn up hot every year, when probably more than half the league is on something.
I agree with your assesment. Now, does Palmeiro exhibit these symptoms? My point isn't whether Bonds IS taking them, but with the contention that those who don't have symptoms and a snail trail simply aren't taking them.
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The issue here is not whether other players are on steroids, it is whether BONDS is on steroids and since you agree what does your post have to do with anything?
With or without steroids BONDS was a good player but his legacy will be forever marred with steroids. He has shamed the game.
Your POV is naive, speculative and hypocritical. Think beyond an elementary level.
The whole game is marred. Every sport in existence is marred. It's only pristine when there simply are no regulations at all, or the regulations can be 100% enforced. Anything less is not acceptable, period.
Why? Because if you put in motion regulations which players must follow and pass tests for, and they indeed pass, then said player is clear of fault. It doesn't matter if he gains 50 lbs and hits 99 homers, if you can't fail him at a test, how can you persecute him?
Is it not cheating if Julio Lugo decided that he wants to hit above .200 and starts juicing? Even if he doesn't exhibit symptoms, wouldn't he be reviled by your view? If so, start reviling just about every athlete you now admire.
Get your heads out of the sand, people.
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I agree with your assesment. Now, does Palmeiro exhibit these symptoms? My point isn't whether Bonds IS taking them, but with the contention that those who don't have symptoms and a snail trail simply aren't taking them.
Going by observation and his ties to Balco, he probably used more than your average run of mill shortstop wanting to gain 5 lbs. ::)
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And didn't he claim that he thought the cream steroid was flax seed oil or something?
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Why? Because if you put in motion regulations which players must follow and pass tests for, and they indeed pass, then said player is clear of fault. It doesn't matter if he gains 50 lbs and hits 99 homers, if you can't fail him at a test, how can you persecute him?
This is the end of the agrument.
MLB fucked this whole situation up - in 98 they promoted this whole thing during the McGwire/Sosa run, so they're complete hypocrites if they try to change things for Bonds.
At the end of the day, Bonds' numbers will prove him out to be the one of the best ever if not, THE best ever (there will be legimate agruments that Ruth destroys everyone since he outperformed his league by more than anyone ever will, but that's a different argument). His 73 HR season may be, by far, the best season anyone has ever had.
Imagine this conversation 50 years from now:
"Why isn't Bonds in the Hall?"
"He cheated, he used steroids"
"Oh, he failed a drug test?"
"Well, no, he never failed a drug test. He did gain a lot of weight since he was a rookie, and these guys wrote a book based on leaked grand jury testimony, and he hit a lot of HRs late in his late 30s and early 40s, though."
It doesn't hold water. Yes, I think he used. But I think so many used during the era that you just can't punish the best player of that era. It's not fair.
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yea man its just not fair
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Your POV is naive, speculative and hypocritical. Think beyond an elementary level.
The whole game is marred. Every sport in existence is marred. It's only pristine when there simply are no regulations at all, or the regulations can be 100% enforced. Anything less is not acceptable, period.
Why? Because if you put in motion regulations which players must follow and pass tests for, and they indeed pass, then said player is clear of fault. It doesn't matter if he gains 50 lbs and hits 99 homers, if you can't fail him at a test, how can you persecute him?
Is it not cheating if Julio Lugo decided that he wants to hit above .200 and starts juicing? Even if he doesn't exhibit symptoms, wouldn't he be reviled by your view? If so, start reviling just about every athlete you now admire.
Get your heads out of the sand, people.
Granted my POV may be naive, but what part of my assertions are not true?
Did Bonds not take steriods?
Has his actions have not shamed the game?
i agree about Sosa and McGuire also. They avoided the negative publicity BONDS is getting now and should have an equal dose. It is pretty obvious McGuire was on it.
I'm not sure what you saying exactly....are you saying that becuase a person can pass a test he shouldn't be automatically cleared from suspicion in the face blatant symptoms?
I'm a purest and agree with your assertion that nearly all professional sports is marred by this.
This post is about BONDS. Not everyone else. And I'd comment the same way if it was.
Maybe they should just open the gates and let anyone do what they want to make it level fro everyone......because trying to prevent it is impossible for a number of reasons. I'm not for that.
Anyone got a good solution?
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I agree with your assesment. Now, does Palmeiro exhibit these symptoms? My point isn't whether Bonds IS taking them, but with the contention that those who don't have symptoms and a snail trail simply aren't taking them.
Palmeiro tested positive, so there really isn't any question about him. I also heard that his homerun production doubled when he played with Canseco.
I understand your point. I agree with you.
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Going by observation and his ties to Balco, he probably used more than your average run of mill shortstop wanting to gain 5 lbs. ::)
Is english your first language? Man, some people have zero comprehension.
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Palmeiro tested positive, so there really isn't any question about him. I also heard that his homerun production doubled when he played with Canseco.
All true. But would you have looked at Palmeiro and said, "CHEATER!"?
No. We never did. Because he didn't look the part.
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Granted my POV may be naive, but what part of my assertions are not true? You assert Bonds is a cheater when he hasn't failed a test.
Did Bonds not take steriods? Unknown and unproven. For all I know he took a myostatin inhibitor, LOL. Point is, he passed the test, so he's clear. Do I THINK he's used? yes.
Has his actions have not shamed the game? No. He's playing the game on the terms the game has set, and won. MLB has shamed itself.
i agree about Sosa and McGuire also. They avoided the negative publicity BONDS is getting now and should have an equal dose. It is pretty obvious McGuire was on it. Also unknown and unproven, obvious to our trained eye or not. Speculation gets us in trouble, people. You wouldn't want people speculating on your life's work and persecuting you for something you never were proven to have done. I do think that McGuire is a pansy bitch, though, but that's just my opinion.
I'm not sure what you saying exactly....are you saying that becuase a person can pass a test he shouldn't be automatically cleared from suspicion in the face blatant symptoms? If he passes, you can't persecute him. Catch him or shut up.
I'm a purest and agree with your assertion that nearly all professional sports is marred by this. Absolutely, so either take up crochet, or get over it and cheer. Baseball is still fun to watch. Go Sox!
This post is about BONDS. Not everyone else. And I'd comment the same way if it was. In the context of the record, it SHOULD be about Bonds. In the context of drugs, it should be about every player in the league for the last 60 years.
Maybe they should just open the gates and let anyone do what they want to make it level fro everyone......because trying to prevent it is impossible for a number of reasons. I'm not for that. It was like this forever up until 98. All the records from all the hero's you admire were set in an era of denial. Thus, you cannot persecute a current player for breaking said records. It's assanine!
Anyone got a good solution?
With all of the billions in sports, if they want to clean it up they have to spend inordinate amounts of money to test and ban all illicit materials. Either they should take an IOC stance, and ban players for life who fail, or they should quit testing altogether.
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Your POV is naive, speculative and hypocritical. Think beyond an elementary level.
The whole game is marred. Every sport in existence is marred. It's only pristine when there simply are no regulations at all, or the regulations can be 100% enforced. Anything less is not acceptable, period.
Why? Because if you put in motion regulations which players must follow and pass tests for, and they indeed pass, then said player is clear of fault. It doesn't matter if he gains 50 lbs and hits 99 homers, if you can't fail him at a test, how can you persecute him?
Is it not cheating if Julio Lugo decided that he wants to hit above .200 and starts juicing? Even if he doesn't exhibit symptoms, wouldn't he be reviled by your view? If so, start reviling just about every athlete you now admire.
Get your heads out of the sand, people.
Talk about preachy & obnoxious.
Thanx for "enlightening" us with your wisdom. ::) ::) It really deserves a shoe up the azz.
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Well since they didn't used to even test how can you say it's cheating. Should they do investigations on every player to play after the introduction to steroids and void all their records and careers. ???
Its not only Bonds, Palmiero and Big Mac have had their legacies ruined. Big Mac went from a guy idolized by tons of baseball fans to a loser in the wink of an eye with his testimony before congress.
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I also believe he was on steroids, and I think he's an ass. Still, PLEASE FUCKING EXPLAIN TO ME HOW YOU DETERMINE WHICH ATHLETES ARE/WERE ON STEROIDS/GH OTHER THAN A TEST!!!.
Phsical manifestations of side effects are not apparent in all users. In fact, in most they are not noticable. Did you suspect Palmeiro used? Do you think Jeter does? If no, why not, because he doesn't have a big head (actually he does).
You don't know who's using because you can't know. There's hundreds of guys in every gym who use and you wouldn't have a clue, because they don't have insane muscle, aren't crazy strong, etc. Still, they are using.
MLB, NFL...shit Golf....EVEN TABLE TENNIS has a lot of doping going on. If you can pass the test, YOU ARE FUCKING CLEAR PEOPLE.
Until they test better or make everything legal, there is no even playing field. You don't know how long this has been happening. Steroids have been around for 50+ years, so your idols who were competing for big money WERE USING them for an edge. If you don't think so, you're naive.
So, where does that leave us for Bonds? Well, he's going to break a seemingly unbreakable record (until ARod and Bonds) that was set in an era where steroids existed, amphetamines existed and were rampant, and cocaine and other stimulants were used to perform. Guess what, he's playing the game just like it always has been played.
Why are we applauding Frank Thomas and not Bonds, because he's a nice guy? Why are we applauding Roger Clemens and not Bonds, because he is white? I don't get it. I applaud all these guys, Clemens is a hero of mine, and Bonds, whether you like him or not, is the most devastating hitter we've ever seen.
Stand up and applaud or sit down and shut up. Stop being hypocrites just because he's a dick.
STFU YOU WHINY, PREACHY BITCH. JUST BECAUSE YOU DECIDE TO SEE IT A CERTAIN WAY DOESN'T MAKE IT SO.
BONDS IS HORRIBLE ON SEVERAL LEVELS AND HAS BEEN DISMISSED IN THE COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION WHETHER YOU AND YOUR POMPOUS ASS AGREES OR NOT.
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Show me his negative test, body. Until then, s-p-e-c-u-l-a-t-i-o-n.
You ever hear of the phrase "overwhelming body of circumstantial evidence"? The truth is out there.
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You ever hear of the phrase "overwhelming body of circumstantial evidence"? The truth is out there.
Self-righteous aholes like this guy like to disect everything and pretend there's really no evidence in order to suit their own biases. But will never admit it.
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Not really. Bonds admitted under oath he took steroids. The testimony was leaked. he claimed he took them "unwillingly" but that does not change the fact he used them. The lawyer who leaked it just got 9 more months in jail this past week! His orig sentence we to lenient says a judge.
This is whats hilarious. That Bonds and Sheffield said they didn't know what they were taking. But somehow Giambi was told by the same guy what it was? Give me a break. They knew exactly what they were ingesting. Undetectable designer roids.
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Palmeiro tested positive, so there really isn't any question about him. I also heard that his homerun production doubled when he played with Canseco.
I understand your point. I agree with you.
His first 8 years with the Cubs he averaged about 10 taters a year. He gets Traded to the Texas Rangers where Canseco and Juan Gonzales are playing and magicly hits 40 dingers.
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His first 8 years with the Cubs he averaged about 10 taters a year. He gets Traded to the Texas Rangers where Canseco and Juan Gonzales are playing and magicly hits 40 dingers.
And yet, nobody said a thing until he tested positive. Why?
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Self-righteous aholes like this guy like to disect everything and pretend there's really no evidence in order to suit their own biases. But will never admit it.
Self righteous? Asshole? Sorry that my pragmatic view shatters your embryonic sight. Fuck you, is all.
I'm not pretending there's no evidence. I'm demanding proof.
You guys are a bunch of whiney girls.
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Self righteous? Asshole? Sorry that my pragmatic view shatters your embryonic sight. Fuck you, is all.
I'm not pretending there's no evidence. I'm demanding proof.
You guys are a bunch of whiney girls.
Demanding proof this late in the game is just BS you little twit. Few accept your arbitrary reasonings; he lost in the court of public opinion and no one cares about your contructs. ;D
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With all of the billions in sports, if they want to clean it up they have to spend inordinate amounts of money to test and ban all illicit materials. Either they should take an IOC stance, and ban players for life who fail, or they should quit testing altogether.
You make some good points.
Was OJ innocent too?
It's pretty obvious he was or is on some kind of performance enhancing drug that was not legal as per rules.
But if i get you right your attitude is that becuase everyone is doing it why persecute BONDS? And then becuase of that, don;t worry about it and enjoy the game? I do for the most part.
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You make some good points.
Was OJ innocent too?
It's pretty obvious he was or is on some kind of performance enhancing drug that was not legal as per rules.
But if i get you right your attitude is that becuase everyone is doing it why persecute BONDS? And then becuase of that, don;t worry about it and enjoy the game? I do for the most part.
I'm just saying, if you are going to persecute Bonds, be honest and level and admit to yourselves that the use of drugs in MLB (and most all sports) is very widespread and has been for a loooooong time. Focusing on one unlikeable player because he is going to break the record set by a guy who could have been doping too (if you don't think so, you're soooo wrong) just because he's a twat is juvenile and hypocrisy.
I don't think Bonds is clean. I don't think he's free of guilt. I do think that players have been doping for decades, and as such, you might as well asterisk all of sports. I can go back for 60 years and analyze players stats and bodies and give you hundreds of them as examples of likely dopers, not to mention those who exhibit no signs (like Palmeiro) physically.
Nevermind the amphetamines issue, the most used drug in baseball.
You guys are without perspective. Widen your focus.
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What does this prove, that he's fat?
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What does this prove, that he's fat?
Superb example of arguing for the sake of arguing. A good reminder that opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. ;)
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I'm just saying, if you are going to persecute Bonds, be honest and level and admit to yourselves that the use of drugs in MLB (and most all sports) is very widespread and has been for a loooooong time. Focusing on one unlikeable player because he is going to break the record set by a guy who could have been doping too (if you don't think so, you're soooo wrong) just because he's a twat is juvenile and hypocrisy.
I don't think Bonds is clean. I don't think he's free of guilt. I do think that players have been doping for decades, and as such, you might as well asterisk all of sports. I can go back for 60 years and analyze players stats and bodies and give you hundreds of them as examples of likely dopers, not to mention those who exhibit no signs (like Palmeiro) physically.
Nevermind the amphetamines issue, the most used drug in baseball.
You guys are without perspective. Widen your focus.
The funniest thing about you aside from the obnoxiousness is that you yourself have narrow perspectives that you tie into your flawed logic, then tell others to be better than you are. bwhahahaahahahahah
Using a lame argument that everyone else is guilty so it's ok is tired and one-dimensional. Go away you're boring and your arguments are simplistic.
Hope this helps.
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Look at the size of that cranium. :o Reminds me of this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116996/
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/ss/0116996/Ss/0116996/1-1.jpg.html?path=gallery&path_key=0116996
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I'm just saying, if you are going to persecute Bonds, be honest and level and admit to yourselves that the use of drugs in MLB (and most all sports) is very widespread and has been for a loooooong time. Focusing on one unlikeable player because he is going to break the record set by a guy who could have been doping too (if you don't think so, you're soooo wrong) just because he's a twat is juvenile and hypocrisy.
I don't think Bonds is clean. I don't think he's free of guilt. I do think that players have been doping for decades, and as such, you might as well asterisk all of sports. I can go back for 60 years and analyze players stats and bodies and give you hundreds of them as examples of likely dopers, not to mention those who exhibit no signs (like Palmeiro) physically.
Nevermind the amphetamines issue, the most used drug in baseball.
You guys are without perspective. Widen your focus.
I completely agree. Drug use permeates pro sports. With the exception of track and field, I don't think any major sport really wants to crack down on drug use, particularly the NFL. Too many guys are using, and the players unions, owners, and team management all know it. It is sort of like the 800 pound elephant in the room. For example, you have a guy like Vernon Davis who is 6-3, 256, runs a 4.3 40, and is strong as an ox. Everyone is ga ga over his measureables, but there is zero discussion about what he was using. No way that guy is clean. (And I'm a Niner fan.) He is one of many.
I'm not happy with Bonds breaking Aaron's record, but I agree that all this fuss over Bonds, but not about anyone else for the most part, is wrong.
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The funniest thing about you aside from the obnoxiousness is that you yourself have narrow perspectives that you tie into your flawed logic, then tell others to be better than you are. bwhahahaahahahahah
Using a lame argument that everyone else is guilty so it's ok is tired and one-dimensional. Go away you're boring and your arguments are simplistic.
Hope this helps.
I'm so much less obnoxious than you, but I'm sure you can't see that.
My perspective is very wide. I don't approve or disapprove, I just see it for what it is.
You are, still, a girl.
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I completely agree. Drug use permeates pro sports. With the exception of track and field, I don't think any major sport really wants to crack down on drug use, particularly the NFL. Too many guys are using, and the players unions, owners, and team management all know it. It is sort of like the 800 pound elephant in the room. For example, you have a guy like Vernon Davis who is 6-3, 256, runs a 4.3 40, and is strong as an ox. Everyone is ga ga over his measureables, but there is zero discussion about what he was using. No way that guy is clean. (And I'm a Niner fan.) He is one of many.
I'm not happy with Bonds breaking Aaron's record, but I agree that all this fuss over Bonds, but not about anyone else for the most part, is wrong.
glad to see someone else agrees.
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Time for you to get off his nutz just long enough to realize that he'll never be the clear-cut best ever player for various reasons, especially lack of heart. He doesn't have it even though you look past it and will try to excuse it. There have been other great players WITH that attribute coupled with great talent. He never had it and never will.
BTW stop preaching to others as if you somehow know better.
I know what your all thinking but it's not all just a bias. I say he is def one of the top 5 players to ever play, IMO he is the Cormier of Baseball. He has endless talent and ability but he can't pull it together when it really counts. I would say I am a big fan of his but I just can't take when people refuse to acknowledge the fact that with or without drugs he is one of the best players to ever play. He has 7 MVP's and thats almost twice as many as the next best guy, drugs don't give you that many MVP's, in the case of some yeah you could account 1-2 to the drugs giving him the endurance and power to dominate but he earned many of those through pure talent. He is almost like Dan Marino, he has the numbers but not the defining moments of a true champion. Either way you can't deny he is just really that good.
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I think too many people are letting the steroid issue and the "classic game of baseball with Hank Aaron" cloud their judgment.
No matter how much shit Barry may or MAY NOT take (yes, I am of the opinion that he IS taking juice), that cannot help his natural gift of being able to judge a pitch and his hand-eye coordination.
Ted Williams used to have umpires ask him if the pitch was a strike or not- and he was the last player to ever bat .400. I guess he must have been on the sauce too? ::)
Hank Aaron- again I'll reiterate this- was drinking "Red Juice" that contained Benzedrine, which is speed similar to ephedra. Yet this fucker (that's right, I'm calling Hank Aaron a fucker >:( ) is being a hypocrite and saying he won't attend Barry's game in which he'll break his record, or making public statements that he doesn't know how to spell Barry's name? That's low. Of all the people that should understand what Barry is going through right now, Hank should be the first to understand. With people making death threats to him as he neared the "white mans" record, Hank should know what it's like.
Yet he's turning his head, because Barry is suspected of taking steroids. Yet he can have speed (the Benzedrine) and it's okay...... ::) ::) ::)
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glad to see someone else agrees.
FYI Bum has a questionable record of judgement & sports prognostication let alone objectivity. He's all over Kobe's nuts. ;)
Hope this helps.
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FYI Bum has a questionable record of judgement & sports prognostication let alone objectivity. He's all over Kobe's nuts. ;)
Hope this helps.
::) You are an arrogant idiot who uses a Bowflex. You also torture the English language like Don King. Hope this helps.
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FYI Bum has a questionable record of judgement & sports prognostication let alone objectivity. He's all over Kobe's nuts. ;)
Hope this helps.
So it's bad that he loves the best talent left in the NBA? I don't get your point.
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I think too many people are letting the steroid issue and the "classic game of baseball with Hank Aaron" cloud their judgment.
No matter how much shit Barry may or MAY NOT take (yes, I am of the opinion that he IS taking juice), that cannot help his natural gift of being able to judge a pitch and his hand-eye coordination.
Wrong, number one HGH which Bonds and other guys are accused of using helps your vision. Number two, balls that may have died at the warning track now carry over the fence due to increased bat speed generated by more strength. Number three, these drugs increase endurance dramatically. In August as the season wears on and its hot you don't get tired like a guy who doesn't take drugs. By using these drugs you get a huge edge over a natural player. Come on look at Barrys power numbers from about 1999 on compared to pre 1999. Look at Palmiero, averaging 8 homers per year in his eight years with the Cubs to 40 his first year in Texas playing alongside Canseco.
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::) You are an arrogant idiot who uses a Bowflex. You also torture the English language like Don King. Hope this helps.
You have no idea whether i use a bowflex you Kobe cock worshiping tool. Your poor judgement is best summarized by your 100% certainty that the Colts weren't winning the superbowl. That's real vs. made-up bowflex crap hahahahahahahah
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You have no idea whether i use a bowflex you Kobe cock worshiping tool. Your poor judgement is best summarized by your 100% certainty that the Colts weren't winning the superbowl. That's real vs. made-up bowflex crap hahahahahahahah
meltdown.
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Wrong, number one HGH which Bonds and other guys are accused of using helps your vision. Number two, balls that may have died at the warning track now carry over the fence due to increased bat speed generated by more strength. Number three, these drugs increase endurance dramatically. In August as the season wears on and its hot you don't get tired like a guy who doesn't take drugs. By using these drugs you get a huge edge over a natural player. Come on look at Barrys power numbers from about 1999 on compared to pre 1999. Look at Palmiero, averaging 8 homers per year in his eight years with the Cubs to 40 his first year in Texas playing alongside Canseco.
HGH makes you tired, dude. Tired and insulin resistant.
Not that it can't help in some ways, but it's not really quantifyable. Some guys will just get better skin tone, others, acromalogy.
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meltdown.
Yep. This is the same guy who called Tiger Woods erratic and overrated and said Cookie Gilchrist was better than Jim Brown. There are other gems I cannot recall, but he uses a Bowlfex. I would put this turkey in the Idiots Hall of Fame.
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Yep. This is the same guy who called Tiger Woods erratic and overrated and said Cookie Gilchrist was better than Jim Brown. There are other gems I cannot recall, but he uses a Bowlfex. I would put this turkey in the Idiots Hall of Fame.
Desperation to the point of changing the truth. The quote about Gilchrist came from one of the best all-time NFL personnel managers you idiot.
Please please never bet on football; based on last season you'll soon be homeless and unable to post this crap or worship Kobe's balls on getbig. :-*
On your bowflex obsession: did you get it yet? LOL
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meltdown.
Misapplied, overused buzzword. Very last year.
Your baseball posts are so slanted as to be laughable yet here you are informing others that you have it all figured out hahaahahahahahah
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Desperation to the point of changing the truth. The quote about Gilchrist came from one of the best all-time NFL personnel managers you idiot.
Please please never bet on football; based on last season you'll soon be homeless and unable to post this crap or worship Kobe's balls on getbig. :-*
On your bowflex obsession: did you get it yet? LOL
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Dude you want a bowflex almost as much as a night with Kobe.:o
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::) Hey Don King can you please translate this for me?
pumpster
Now he's been forcibly shown lucidity while you soldier on.
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Misapplied, overused buzzword. Very last year.
Your baseball posts are so slanted as to be laughable yet here you are informing others that you have it all figured out hahaahahahahahah
What have I figured out. My arguments are solid, man. I never said they were the only point of view, they're just mine.
Personally, I don't like Bonds. I didn't really like Giambi either until I met him and he was funny and joked around with me. I'd give anyone the same opportunity.
Please tell me, what percentage of MLB players do YOU believe to be using steroids or other banned substances?
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More BONDS......
In his home town, in front of all his fans, the ones who have supported him for years, through all allegations, surly attitudes, after getting paid millions and millions of scrilla, and just 5 away from breaking the all time record.............
BONDs refuses to participate in the home derby.
What a selfish no-class punk biotch.
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More BONDS......
In his home town, in front of all his fans, the ones who have supported him for years, through all allegations, surly attitudes, after getting paid millions and millions of scrilla, and just 5 away from breaking the all time record.............
BONDs refuses to participate in the home derby.
What a selfish no-class punk biotch.
Players have said that the home run derby screws up thier swings for the second half of the season. If you go from trying to make contact to trying to pull the ball out, it's difficult to go back. Some guys can do it, some can't.
I doubt this is his reason, but he should use it! ;D
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Players have said that the home run derby screws up thier swings for the second half of the season. If you go from trying to make contact to trying to pull the ball out, it's difficult to go back. Some guys can do it, some can't.
I doubt this is his reason, but he should use it! ;D
That's always been his reason to not participate.
I had heard up until that day, that Bonds and Griffey were both entered with a bye for the first round- this coming from my roommate who heard it on the the radio. Obviously this didn't happen and he nor I ever heard any follow up to that.
I also heard some bullshit rumors that the reason why Bonds did not like the HR contest was due to his wrists getting hurt while intentionally swinging for the fences. ::) BS.
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Bonds is over 40 years old. I can give him a pass for not being in the derby.
The derby is stupid, anyway.
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Bonds is over 40 years old. I can give him a pass for not being in the derby.
The derby is stupid, anyway.
Exactly, no one got on Jordan when he stopped doing the dunk contest. I think his last was in the early 90's or late 80's and no one bashes him for it.
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I'm 0 for 12 in the last series,I'm fat,I can't play a lick of defense,my huge head is weighing me down,I'm embarrassing myself every time I take the field,Man I hope I hit them 5 HR's soon.I shouldn't even be wearing this uniform.now GO AWAY!
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I'm 0 for 12 in the last series,I'm fat,I can't play a lick of defense,my huge head is weighing me down,I'm embarrassing myself every time I take the field,Man I hope I hit them 5 HR's soon.I shouldn't even be wearing this uniform.now GO AWAY!
Oh wow... Someone has a slump? Man... I've never seen a 26 year old with that... ::)
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Barry's in a slump like every player goes through.
What doesn't help him, is the way he acts during. Get pissed. Sure. But don't bark "go away" to reporters after they ask you questions.
It's this behavior that makes people hate him. I don't think the steroids thing would be as bad if he was a Mo Vaughn, nice guy type.
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Barry's in a slump like every player goes through.
What doesn't help him, is the way he acts during. Get pissed. Sure. But don't bark "go away" to reporters after they ask you questions.
It's this behavior that makes people hate him. I don't think the steroids thing would be as bad if he was a Mo Vaughn, nice guy type.
Exactly. If a guy like Papi or Jeter was on the sauce, no one would give a shat. That or they would all make excuses for them.
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Exactly. If a guy like Papi or Jeter was on the sauce, no one would give a shat. That or they would all make excuses for them.
I agree... It's definitely the fact people don't "like" him.
In reality though, at your job, if you're one of the best of all time at it... Do you really need people to like you?
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Do you think he will put the size 10.5 or the size 13 shoes in the Hall of Fame?
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You have a few thousand others for every player who ever touched anything.
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Do you think he will put the size 10.5 or the size 13 shoes in the Hall of Fame?
Let me guess your the kind of guy who still holds a grudge against Pete Rose ::)
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Let me guess your the kind of guy who still holds a grudge against Pete Rose ::)
I think Pete will get his revenge against Kane one day!
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Let me guess your the kind of guy who still holds a grudge against Pete Rose ::)
Wrong.
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never will be excepted as the HR king,and those that do will move on to the next guy that gets close because your a bunch of front runners.
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never will be excepted as the HR king,and those that do will move on to the next guy that gets close because your a bunch of front runners.
Isn't that what happens when someone breaks a record?
Eventually someone comes along and it's their time... That's what breaking records is all about.
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never will be excepted as the HR king,and those that do will move on to the next guy that gets close because your a bunch of front runners.
But wouldn't the front runner be the guy in the lead ::) I guess that would make him king unless your the type to live in the past your whole lives and hate everything new and/or different.
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well the SOB finally broke it >:(
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I figure just about the time the press and public stop talkin about the steroid era and it all dies down in 7 or 8 years and barry's retired with 800 -820 bombs A Rod'll be on his heals and passing him,so there's no need for the *really....
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I figure just about the time the press and public stop talkin about the steroid era and it all dies down in 7 or 8 years and barry's retired with 800 -820 bombs A Rod'll be on his heals and passing him,so there's no need for the *really....
you really think bonds is gonns hit even 44 more(800)???
hes retiring after this year and will maybe hit 10 more.
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who said he's retireing ?
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who said he's retireing ?
if he wasnt so close to the record he never would have come back this year. hes old and hurt and was close to retiring after last year. i think most people know hes done after this year. he doesnt even play every game now.
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if he wasnt so close to the record he never would have come back this year. hes old and hurt and was close to retiring after last year. i think most people know hes done after this year. he doesnt even play every game now.
are you nuts ?
he's on pace to hit 35 bombs with an OBP of .491,he signed a one year extention with the giants meaning after this year he probably go's to an amercan league team and could DH and easily play for another productive 3 years,he may just decide he wants to put this record out of A-Rod reach because after A-Rod there's absolutely NOBODY on the horizon to touch his HR totals,you gotta remember Barry was raised in the Giants locker room and if you think he's gonna walk away while he's still productive you're dreamin !
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are you nuts ?
he's on pace to hit 35 bombs with an OBP of .491,he signed a one year extention with the giants meaning after this year he probably go's to an amercan league team and could DH and easily play for another productive 3 years,he may just decide he wants to put this record out of A-Rod reach because after A-Rod there's absolutely NOBODY on the horizon to touch his HR totals,you gotta remember Barry was raised in the Giants locker room and if you think he's gonna walk away while he's still productive you're dreamin !
i may be nuts but thats my opinion. hes 43 and hurt and considered retirment the last couple years due to his injuries (age).
could he go to the AL and just DH?? sure he could and he may just do that. would make it easier for him to play in more games not having to take the field. but i think hes happy now that he broke the record and will retire after this year.
as for his numbers right now..... sure his OBP is high but thats because so many teams still walk him. his BA is just under .270 and has steadily declined the last few years.
right now on one knows what hes gonna do but him. guess we'll see in a few months.
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first you say a-rod will be on his heels then you say bonds might put the record out of reach.your a moron.and bonds would have to play 3 more years to reach 800hr's.his production has dropped every year since drug testing began.
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first you say a-rod will be on his heels then you say bonds might put the record out of reach.your a moron.and bonds would have to play 3 more years to reach 800hr's.his production has dropped every year since drug testing began.
not real big on thinking before ya post are ya ?
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you really think bonds is gonns hit even 44 more(800)???
hes retiring after this year and will maybe hit 10 more.
He's 17th in the Majors for Homeruns... SEVENTEENTH! Is there anyone in the top 16 who plan on retiring any time soon?
The guy can still blast bombs... He'll retire when he's good and ready, but I certainly don't think it will be at the end of this season... He's definitely got three 30+ Home Run seasons left in him I think.
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the great pumpkinhead...
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must be a glandular issue...