they got #1 spot on. that much we know.
as far as the order of the rest, that is always up for debate.
Really like features like this. And I know the rankings are capricious. That said...
Melvin Anthony in 19th? Melvin on the list at all? Why?
Flex Wheeler only in 13th? Come on, one of the best back double biceps EVER should have him in the top 10. True his lat spread left something to be deisred, but...13th? Also, based on the back double, Shawn Ray should have been up there in the top 10 too.
Jean-Pierre Fux in 7th? Why is he even on the list?
Ditto Jay Cutler. Okay, maybe he's wide enough, but the guy lacks detail in his back double biceps.
And Joel Stubbs in third?! Great back, but third of all time. I call bullshit.
My top ten best backs of all time...
1. Coleman 2. Yates 3. Haney 4. Benaziza 5. Francois 6. Wheeler 7. Columbo 8. Bannout 9. Pearson 10. Ray
::)
Shawn Ray should have been on that list? lol is that a joke?
not if flex is on it.
Flex had a shitty lat rear spread, so did shawn.
but they both had very good rear double bi shots because of symmetry and detail.
Your Hero Disagrees with you and so did Team Flex in 1999
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Your Hero Disagrees with you
nowhere does Ronnie say Dorian has the best back of all-time.
Really like features like this. And I know the rankings are capricious. That said...I agree with you on Shawn, but Joel stubbs? Are you kidding me, have you even seen this mans back, If he had slightly bigger arms he would easily give Ronnie a run for first. Freakiest back ever.
Melvin Anthony in 19th? Melvin on the list at all? Why?
Flex Wheeler only in 13th? Come on, one of the best back double biceps EVER should have him in the top 10. True his lat spread left something to be deisred, but...13th? Also, based on the back double, Shawn Ray should have been up there in the top 10 too.
Jean-Pierre Fux in 7th? Why is he even on the list?
Ditto Jay Cutler. Okay, maybe he's wide enough, but the guy lacks detail in his back double biceps.
And Joel Stubbs in third?! Great back, but third of all time. I call bullshit.
My top ten best backs of all time...
1. Coleman 2. Yates 3. Haney 4. Benaziza 5. Francois 6. Wheeler 7. Columbo 8. Bannout 9. Pearson 10. Ray
who cares. that does not affect the visual evidence presented one bit.
one day you may learn this.. ::)
I mean its not even close not by a country mile
Stop bein a sore loser.
He's number 2 on the list.
Accept it and shut up.
Stop bein a sore loser.
He's number 2 on the list.
Accept it and shut up.
yup.
like ND likes to say he is number 2 "for a reason":
LOL
sorry dorian:
yeah I thought so lol you couldn't touch the shots I posted so what do you do? post transitional shots lol
I defy you to find a Coleman shot comparable to this and good luck you'll need it
Ronnie has the best back ever no question.
TROLL!!!hahahhaha, i'm waiting for the time tested, "not everything shows up in pictures, you needed to see Dorian's back in person to understand" ::)
::)
LOL
hahahhaha, i'm waiting for the time tested, "not everything shows up in pictures, you needed to see Dorian's back in person to understand" ::)
you know, if you would get your head out of your quotes just for a minute, you would realize how wrong and stupid you are... ::)
I love how ND calls everyone who thinks Ronnie has the greatest back ever "trolls"
LOL
::)
well, ND you just called pretty much the entire bodybuilding community a bunch of trolls. lol
::)
run on home little boy.
hahahhaha, i'm waiting for the time tested, "not everything shows up in pictures, you needed to see Dorian's back in person to understand" ::)
LOL like dorian could come close to this width and taper: not with a keg waist he couldnt't:
number 1 for a reason baby:
cue ND on the defensive to somehow subdue the domination of dorian displayed above..
Shut the fuck up you troll NO he just says its the thickest & freakiest he ever seen and thats speaks volumes considering he has among the best backs ever and Team Flex all voted Yates the best back in 1999 anymore questions?
ha ha ha, quiet down fag. You're the one who believes everything needs to be explicitly stated instead of leaving room for interpretation. Now you're being a hypocrite by claiming Ronnie said Dorian has the best back of all-time when he never said such a thing. Don't get mad at me b/c you're an illiterate f*cktard who contradicts himself.
When left with nothing start the personal attacks , indicative of your little mind , remember the ' dirty Mexican ' comment ? it shows what you're working with
and once again I've said the best back is an ARGUABLE point it's subjective and open for discussion and once again what makes this list right and the one from 1999 wrong? no one seems to want to answer this I wonder why lol
and when according to you and many others " The Greatest Bodybuilder who ever lived " said in 2003 mind you ( the year you claim his best lol ) that Dorian " had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen ' that speaks VOLUMES on how great Dorian's back was couple that with another Mr Olympia ( Samir ) and Team Flex 1999 this issue has been addressed a long time ago and Yates as usual comes out on top
Answer the question , what makes this list right and that one wrong? I'm waiting
ND, here's a hint: ronnie is being gracious and respectful of past champions when he says things like that. multiple people have said that 2001 ASC ronnie was the single greatest appearance on a bodybuilding stage ever, but for some reason you ignore that.
let me guess, when an actor gets up to the podium to accept the oscar and says "i'm just honored to be considered great actors like my fellow nominees", you consider that evidence he should have lost? ::)
multiple people have said that 2001 ASC ronnie was the single greatest appearance on a bodybuilding stage ever, but for some reason you ignore that.
Stop bein a sore loser.
He's number 2 on the list.
Accept it and shut up.
you called me a "troll" in case you forgot, dipshit. I was merely returning the favor. And this "little mind" destroys you in every intellectual discussion. I'm not even being serious when I post in the gossip and opinions board. You would get raped in the religious section by usmokepole and I.
the list from 99 was compiled before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia, where many feel Ronnie reached his prime.
No one here is denying how great Dorian's back was. That's why he's the undisputed #2 on Flex's list. However, Ronnie's back is better. ;)
you called me a "troll" in case you forgot, dipshit. I was merely returning the favor. And this "little mind" destroys you in every intellectual discussion. I'm not even being serious when I post in the gossip and opinions board. You would get raped in the religious section by usmokepole and I.
the list from 99 was compiled before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia, where many feel Ronnie reached his prime.
No one here is denying how great Dorian's back was. That's why he's the undisputed #2 on Flex's list. However, Ronnie's back is better. ;)
ND, here's a hint: ronnie is being gracious and respectful of past champions when he says things like that. multiple people have said that 2001 ASC ronnie was the single greatest appearance on a bodybuilding stage ever, but for some reason you ignore that.
let me guess, when an actor gets up to the podium to accept the oscar and says "i'm just honored to be considered great actors like my fellow nominees", you consider that evidence he should have lost? ::)
he also ignores the fact that Peter McGough wrote an article about Mr. Olympia appearences advancing the sport, and finished the article with Ronnie 1999 as the final advancement to date (as of 2005).
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_7_23/ai_n15346614
typical of ND.. ::)
the visual evidence shows quite clearly that Ronnie had (at his best) a better back than dorian.
its not hard to answer your question, you idiot.. :-\
all the lists and quotes in the world really don't mean jack shit unless real life supports their listings.
eg. if the next list has Frank Zane at the top of the list, what would make THAT list wrong and the this list right?
answer: real life.
we all can see quite clearly that Zane does not have the best back ever, no matter what a list says.
the same can be said with dorian and ronnie: we all can see quite clearly that Ronnie at his best had a better back.
dorian at number two is spot on.
ND has no idea what he is talking about.
thats why he bases all of his opinions on lists and quotes, and ignores real life.
he doesn't understand that real life is needed to support claims, otherwise, they are nothing but pure bullshit.
period.
I'm still waiting for pics of Ronnie with striated & separated ( upper & lower traps ) straited & feathered lower lats and spinal erectors this razor sharp this is visual proof of the first order what do you have left? ;) yeah I thought so
you are a troll thats old news and you don't own shit and never have I taught you about competitive bodybuilding not the other way around
I explained things to YOU I've corrected YOU on many points not the other way around kid you still have much to learn and spare me your ' rape ' fantasies on any topic if your knowledge of religion rivals that of your knowledge on competitive bodybuilding than you would keep getting corrected on that topic as well , but again I don't find you worthy of debate just correction , you'd have to know what the fuck you're talking about in order to debate and on the topic of competitive bodybuilding you've consistently proven you don't know much
lmfao before the 01 ASC like that makes a difference , Ronnie's back in 01 is among its smallest albeit much harder & drier than 99 and very comparable to 1998 , and 03 his back was huge and soft especially compared to 01 ASC never mind Dorian Yates and the quote from Ronnie was from 2003 I hope this helps but like you Ronnie's opinion doesn't count because he's ' not bright ' according to you
Again this is what makes you a troll because you offer up no explanation , does Ronnie have separated lower & upper traps with striations? NO Yates has better traps , does Ronnie have feathered & striated lower lats like Yates? NO does Ronnie have spinal erectors as sharply defined as Dorian ? NO three areas Ronnie doesn't compare to Yates he does compared depending on the year in thickness & width but he's still down no matter how you look at it , Yates has advantages that Ronnie does NOT and the Flex magazine article doesn't render two Mr Olympia wrong no matter how dumb you think they are
your debate skills leave much to be desired hence my comment about you getting verbally raped in the religious section.
Joel belongs on the list. Flex's lat spread hurts him big time and he doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. Cutler no way. He's got width only. I have no clue why anyone would think he has one of the best backs in bodybuilding today let alone all time.Yes, Joel belongs on the list (and the pics the magazine uses of him are awesome!), but third of all time? I don't agree with that. Over Haney???
Yes, Joel belongs on the list (and the pics the magazine uses of him are awesome!), but third of all time? I don't agree with that. Over Haney???
Same here, I would put Haney at third above joel also.
I've corrected you many times also. What's your point? And your debate skills leave much to be desired hence my comment about you getting verbally raped in the religious section. There are actually some intelligent people who post there.
Ronnie's back at the 01 ASC was huge. You're just playing with semantics to make it seem like he gives up a lot of size to Dorian. Ronnie's back was bigger than Dorian's by 99. So it was probably the same size at the 01 ASC when he competed at a lighter weight. It may have been small for Ronnie, but there's no reason to think it was smaller than Dorian's.
Ronnie's back has better v-taper, left-right symmetry, fullness and lower back thickness, without the disgusting bacne and folds of skin.
::)
I've corrected you many times also. What's your point? And your debate skills leave much to be desired hence my comment about you getting verbally raped in the religious section. There are actually some intelligent people who post there.
Ronnie's back at the 01 ASC was huge. You're just playing with semantics to make it seem like he gives up a lot of size to Dorian. Ronnie's back was bigger than Dorian's by 99. So it was probably the same size at the 01 ASC when he competed at a lighter weight. It may have been small for Ronnie, but there's no reason to think it was smaller than Dorian's.
Ronnie's back has better v-taper, left-right symmetry, fullness and lower back thickness, without the disgusting bacne and folds of skin.
I mean get serious and this isn't even Yates ( or Ronnie ) at his best
I agree with Flex magazine putting Joel Stubbs above Lee Haney. While Haney's back looked more impressive in the back double biceps and front lat spread, the sheer width and thickness of Joel's back when viewed from the rear is overwhelming.
I'm an idiot who can't read or formulate a proper argument
You most certainly have NOT corrected me especially not on the subject of competitive bodybuilding , I've exposed how little you know countless times and the only reason you mentioned the religious section is because you feel you'd have more luck there and again at this point you're lucky I'm even responding to you , but I do enjoy correcting you
Ronnie's back at 247 pounds was not HUGE it was at among its smallest albeit dense & defined , 2003 his back was huge ( and soft ) and you're damn right he gives up a lot of size when compared to a 269 pound Dorian Yates ! and Ronnie's back was bigger in 99 than Dorians? how the fuck did you come to this conclusion? your dumb ' comparisons ' ? stop typing blanket statements seriously , also keep in mind Ronnie has a small waist & hips that help add to the ILLUSION of width , Dorian's back is wide as fuck even with a thick waist so that should tell to a lot
a better taper doesn't mean his back is better thats weak
spare me the left/right symmetry thats a straw of the first order
fulless ( i.e. softness ) and lower back thickness thats just a retarded statement already dismissed
yeah, I thought so.
I most certainly have corrected you many times. I've posted several quotes from IFBB judges, pros, and bodybuilding experts that contradict you. I've exposed how biased you are - selecting which quotes to accept and ignore (sometimes from the same source). You've been reduced to a bitter fan-boy who's High School crush has been relegated to 2nd place.
The reason I mentioned the religious section is b/c the posters are generally more intelligent, and I take on a more serious tone when I post there. Luck has nothing to do with it. Ask usmokepole if you don't believe me. You would get verbally raped if you tried the same bullshit antics there.
::)
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia
"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Dexter Jackson – Getbig Interview 2004
“I am not the gossip type. I let them do all the talking, and I let my physique back my talking up. I know Craig Titus was saying something like he knows that Lee Priest is 200 pounds, I’m 220 pounds, and he is 250 pounds, and all this shit, but what Craig does not realize is that his 250 pounds is not like Ronnie Coleman’s 250 pounds. See what I am saying? I think I have proven to everyone that size doesn't matter. You don't look at Craig and say 'whoa, that’s a big dude’. You might say that about Ronnie or Jay at 250, but not Craig.”
NOT ONE OF THE ABOVE QUOTES MENTIONS 01 ASC RONNIE LOOKING SMALL. ON THE CONTRARY, THEY ALL COMMENT ON HIS SIZE AND MUSCULARITY.
a better taper is just one of Ronnie's advantages over Dorian. Taper alone doesn't make for a better back just as trap striations alone don't make for a better back.
not when comparing the top 2 backs of all-time. We must pick at straws in order to decide who's better. It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Lamborghini. If we were comparing a Ferrari to a Mustang, then I'd agree with you.
Ronnie's lats are fuller and his lower back is thicker. Dorian's erector spinae appear to be missing in some poses.
yeah, I thought so.
I most certainly have corrected you many times. I've posted several quotes from IFBB judges, pros, and bodybuilding experts that contradict you. I've exposed how biased you are - selecting which quotes to accept and ignore (sometimes from the same source). You've been reduced to a bitter fan-boy who's High School crush has been relegated to 2nd place.
The reason I mentioned the religious section is b/c the posters are generally more intelligent, and I take on a more serious tone when I post there. Luck has nothing to do with it. Ask usmokepole if you don't believe me. You would get verbally raped if you tried the same bullshit antics there.
Peter McGough – Flex Magazine, August 2005[/b]
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 247 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable.
John Hansen, 2x Mr. Natural Universe and Mr. Natural Olympia[/b]
"With his incredible thickness and muscle shape, Coleman doesn't need to weigh over 260 pounds on stage to look big. When he won the Arnold Classic last year, Ronnie only weighed 247 pounds but he looked like he weighed 20 pounds heavier."
NOT ONE OF THE ABOVE QUOTES MENTIONS 01 ASC RONNIE LOOKING SMALL. ON THE CONTRARY, THEY ALL COMMENT ON HIS SIZE AND MUSCULARITY.
a better taper is just one of Ronnie's advantages over Dorian. Taper alone doesn't make for a better back just as trap striations alone don't make for a better back.
Ronnie's lats are fuller and his lower back is thicker. Dorian's erector spinae appear to be missing in some poses.
eww, Dorian's bacne looks gross!!! :-\
for the love of god please, just please drop it.
no one else is even bothered in the slightest about this list other than you.
doesn't that tell you something.
find something better to do with your time and spare the rest of us
for the love of god please, just please drop it.
no one else is even bothered in the slightest about this list other than you.
doesn't that tell you something.
find something better to do with your time and spare the rest of us
yeah, its pathetic how ND cannot stand that fact that Ronnie was rightfully placed at number one..
a sad sad man..
Another typical post from you , you offer up nothing in the way of debate make lame comments and run off heed your own advice and do something better with your time.
Again Yates was number 1 LONG ago my friend ;) and you can't stand the fact Ronnie knows Yates is better and has a better back
Lists change.
Yates no. 1 in 1999
Ronnie no. 1 in 2008
This is something you need to comprehend.
adios
You ve just nailed it there.
There's nothing to debate about.
Its just you refusing to accept a subjective list.
Lists change.
Yates no. 1 in 1999
Ronnie no. 1 in 2008
This is something you need to comprehend.
adios
hindsight is 20/20.
eg. look at how Peter McGough reflects years later on how Ronnie 99 advanced the sport the night he won the Olympia..
its pretty clear that Ronnie had a better back at his peak than dorian did.
real life shows this quite easily.
It being subjective is very open for debate ( duh )
and yeah because Ronnie's back was the best in 08 ::) again care to debate? or just run?
nowhere does Ronnie say Dorian has the best back of all-time.
yeah I thought so
You haven't corrected jack shit you made feeble attempts and fell flat on your face as usual. and every quote you posted was addressed , corrected and dismissed you posted quote relative to Ronnie competition and attempted to apply them to Yates lol thats corrected?
The reason you mentioned the religious section because you've been getting your ass kicked on on here and feel you'd have better luck else where , and again if your tactics on the truce thread are any indication of your abilities in general you'd get your dumb ass stomped over there as well but don't worry I have no desire to post in the religious section and again you bore me your lucky I'm still responding to you at this point
Thats been amended
This was Yates at 257 pounds , now imagine him at 269 pounds lol he would dwarf a 244 pound Ronnie Coleman no contest
"He had the freakiest back I've ever seen"
Excuse me, but I think that Ronnie was including all bodybuilders who ever competed on a bodybuilding stage when he put the word "ever" there.
Yates had the best back of all time. Ronnie knows this and it is good that he admits it.
Also some at Flex argued for Doz in first. Personally I'd put Ronnie in 4th behind Stubbs and a second placed Haney. Scott Alexander in 5th.
Orville Burke had a freaky back. Dennis Wolf has a freaky back. What's your point? A bodybuilder can have the freakiest back of all-time, but that doesn't mean he has the best back ever.
LMAO.
Ronnie in 4th behind Stubbs? no way.
Stubbs back is good, but it has a long way to go to catch up to the standard (#1 ever according to most and this list) that Ronnie set:
still playing follow the leader? ;)
I've corrected you plenty of times. For example, you thought conditioning is synonymous with definition but not density. You have yet to correct the quotes I provided claiming Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. All you do is say "that's his personal opinion, which I disagree with" as if your word carries any weight against bodybuilding experts like Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, and Greg Merritt. ::)
ha ha ha ha, you keep believing that. Anyone with a brain can see that your argument skills are piss poor. You misinterpret what you read half the time, contradict yourself, don't provide any evidence to support your arguments, and call anyone who disagrees with you a troll. You've deluded yourself into believing the whole world is wrong and you're right.
wtf does that have to do with Ronnie looking huge at the 01 ASC? Once again your reading comprehension fails you. :-\
see above.
still playing follow the leader? ;)
I've corrected you plenty of times. For example, you thought conditioning is synonymous with definition but not density. You have yet to correct the quotes I provided claiming Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time. All you do is say "that's his personal opinion, which I disagree with" as if your word carries any weight against bodybuilding experts like Peter McGough, Shawn Perine, and Greg Merritt. ::)
ha ha ha ha, you keep believing that. Anyone with a brain can see that your argument skills are piss poor. You misinterpret what you read half the time, contradict yourself, don't provide any evidence to support your arguments, and call anyone who disagrees with you a troll. You've deluded yourself into believing the whole world is wrong and you're right.
wtf does that have to do with Ronnie looking huge at the 01 ASC? Once again your reading comprehension fails you. :-\
see above.
Orville Burke had a freaky back. Dennis Wolf has a freaky back. What's your point? A bodybuilder can have the freakiest back of all-time, but that doesn't mean he has the best back ever.
still playing follow the leader
I never thought that you're full of shit , I said density is part & parcel of conditioning however ( pay attention idiot ) it is judged as a separate entity which I proved via the Official IFBB judging criteria and I stated one can be well defined & dry and still not be dense so wrong on all accounts as usual
and hey moron I agree Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all time just based on his 8 Olympia titles and the most career wins that has NOTHING to do with if Dorian could beat him at his best and how fucking ironic you bring up me thinking my word carries any weight against the bodybuilding experts because aren't you the idiot who claimed McGough was flat out wrong saying Ronnie was never as hard or as dry as Dorian lol or Ronnie wasn't ' that smart ' because he conceded Yates would continue to beat him lol you're a hypocrite and a moron oh lets add you claimed Yates was wrong in saying he had better conditioning than Ronnie as well or Francis was wrong in her assessment Yates' had near perfect symmetry lol
good job projecting all your faults on me , everything you just typed is nonsense , my argument is solid and can't be countered by any of you and best of all it was confirmed by your own hero it just doesn't get better than that
I provided both visual evidence & quotes that back up my claims you're an outright liar saying the contrary , I claimed Yates had better balance & proportion a claim I explained in detail and further elaborated using the IFBB criteria and had it confirmed by an IFBB judge ( Dorian himself ) just on that topic alone I provided everything you just claimed I didn't and all of my claims have been proven after the fact I might add , so spare me the nonsense I can't form an argument because like I stated before my argument hasn't been countered yet by any of you , you didn't even know the judging criteria and you're going to comment on how Ronnie could beat Yates without even knowing how contests are judged lmfao thats a great argument?
you used the quote and I corrected you with the amended quote and I've already stated he does look huge in 2001 big deal Yates is HUGE at 269 pounds and like McGough said when you're supersharp you appear super big and again a 318 pound Ferrigno and a 275 Pound Dillett couldn't dwarf a 257 pound Yates , so no matter how big a 244 pound Ronnie's appears he is in no way shape or form going to dwarf a super sharp , super huge Dorian at 269 pounds especially not in the back department
Burke and Wolf both have very wide backs , Yates has a very wide back plus his lats insert near his waist , ontop of having insanely freaky traps and x-mass tree which is what separates Yates' freaky from everyone elses Coleman included and ironically neither of the names you mentioned are on the list I wonder why.
This back lacks nothing.
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Yes after many years of reflection Ronnie Coleman who is the Greatest Bodybuilder Who Ever lived came to the conclusion he's never seen a more freakier & thicker back than Dorian Yates lol
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You're trying too hard to be like me, kiddo, adopting my tags and style. I'm flattered. ;)
ha ha ha, meltdown.
learn to read, you illiterate moron. I said Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpassed. Dorian may be tied with him for best conditioning ever, but a human being cannot drop any more body fat or water without dying than Ronnie's 01 ASC showing.
you keep believing that. Anyone with a brain can see that your argument skills are piss poor. You misinterpret what you read half the time, contradict yourself, don't provide any evidence to support your arguments, and call anyone who disagrees with you a troll. You've deluded yourself into believing the whole world is wrong and you're right.
suuure, just ask Hulkster or anyone else who has followed your arguments from the beginning. You avoid using visual evidence b/c it contradicts your claims. All you do is post outdated quotes and even then, they are easily negated by quotes from credible sources that say the contrary.
what you fail to realize is that Ronnie at 250 lbs is not the same as Dorian at 250 lbs. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints, and fuller muscle bellies that create the illusion of added size. So while he may be lighter than Dorian by a few lbs, you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them on stage. I posted a quote from Dexter Jackson commenting on this, which must have went over your head as usual. :-\
You're trying too hard to be like me, kiddo, adopting my tags and style. I'm flattered. ;)
ha ha ha, meltdown.
learn to read, you illiterate moron. I said Ronnie's conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpassed. Dorian may be tied with him for best conditioning ever, but a human being cannot drop any more body fat or water without dying than Ronnie's 01 ASC showing.
you keep believing that. Anyone with a brain can see that your argument skills are piss poor. You misinterpret what you read half the time, contradict yourself, don't provide any evidence to support your arguments, and call anyone who disagrees with you a troll. You've deluded yourself into believing the whole world is wrong and you're right.
suuure, just ask Hulkster or anyone else who has followed your arguments from the beginning. You avoid using visual evidence b/c it contradicts your claims. All you do is post outdated quotes and even then, they are easily negated by quotes from credible sources that say the contrary.
what you fail to realize is that Ronnie at 250 lbs is not the same as Dorian at 250 lbs. Ronnie has a narrower waist, smaller joints, and fuller muscle bellies that create the illusion of added size. So while he may be lighter than Dorian by a few lbs, you wouldn't be able to tell just by looking at them on stage. I posted a quote from Dexter Jackson commenting on this, which must have went over your head as usual. :-\
doesn't matter. We cannot assume to know what Ronnie was thinking (your logic, not mine). Show me where he explicitly said "Dorian has the best back of all-time" otherwise it never happened.
I would have to say that I would reverse Coleman and Yates. Yates #1, Coleman #2...and then significant drop to #3.
I would have to say that I would reverse Coleman and Yates. Yates #1, Coleman #2...and then significant drop to #3.Good idea, who needs taper?
Good idea, who needs taper?
Same contests owned
This should be number 1 on the list ! lol
Not; his taper's nowhere near Coleman or Stubbs thanx to the keg's blockiness, blockhead.
ND using his own pic ROFL
Ah you didn't say compared to Coleman and Stubbs , you said ' who needs taper ' and you proceeded to post two shots that would indicate he has no taper , which you were abruptly corrected ( as usual ) and a smaller waist and hips doesn't make ones back better it helps with the illusion of width but Yates doesn't need that he's wide as a fuck already despite his wider waist & hips
owned again
um. Ronnie was just as wide but WITH a tiny waist.
hope this helps. ::)
1996 Coleman at 250 pounds and Dorian at 257 pounds , Yates' traps , lats and spinal erectors are just leaps & bounds better , density & thickness that is unmatched and this isn't even at his best ( for bother men )
I love how ND seems to think that a 96 Ronnie was even close to a 99 Ronnie LOL
even from 1997 to 1999 there was dramatic increase in width and thickness:
something that ND continues to ignore LOL ::)
Did I or did I not mention neither were at their best? idiot did you miss that?
I really do find it amusing that ND has to come on here and campaign for dorian to be at number one, when in fact he was rightfully assigned a distant second to this: hahahahhaha
Ah you didn't say compared to Coleman and Stubbs , you said ' who needs taper ' and you proceeded to post two shots that would indicate he has no taper , which you were abruptly corrected ( as usual ) and a smaller waist and hips doesn't make ones back better it helps with the illusion of width but Yates doesn't need that he's wide as a fuck already despite his wider waist & hips
owned again
you keep posting the pic as if it somehow verifies that dorian had a better back than Ronnie did even at his peak.
it doesn't.
owned troll who can't offer a cognizant reply
I love how you're reduced to trying to distance from Yates greatness a distant second lol not according to Ronnie or Samir Bannout ;)
but clearly according to real life visuals which is ALL that matters...opinions are pure bullshit unless validated by real life.
ps why the fuck are you posting dorian most musculars LOL?
you are truly a sad insecure man that you feel so bothered by the fact that Ronnie owns dorian so badly that you feel the need to try and show dorian's
'superiority" (sic) by posting front upper body shots in a thread about backs...
LMAO ::)
Hulkster again where are the visuals of Ronnie's separated upper & lower traps with striations? please answer the question to and stop running
LOL who the fuck cares? ::)
you think that traps are all that there is to the greatest back ever? ::)
where the fuck are dorians ARMS? ::)
doesn't matter. We cannot assume to know what Ronnie was thinking (your logic, not mine). Show me where he explicitly said "Dorian has the best back of all-time" otherwise it never happened.
LOL so much for ND's "challenge" LOL
its easy to find Ronnie shots that own dorian because his physique was so much better.
for a full discussion of this, see the truce thread.
::)
now ND concentrate on backs, not crappy most musculars..
So maybe he only meant "biggest, most developed" by "freakiest", but there isn't much to a back besides it's development in judging it's greatness, so we can assume here that the word is conotatively the same as saying it's the best ever. There are bodybuilders who's backs surpassed Yates' for detail, the only other quality there is in judging the greatness of a back, like Shawn Ray's and Wheeler's, but the difference in size is so great that it is unlikely that Ronnie would consider these backs as being greater than Dorian's. So it is a reasonable speculation that what he meant by saying that Yates had the freakiest back ever is that he had the best back ever. ;)
This should be number 1 on the list ! lol
Visual proof Yates deserves his number 2 placement
there really is no comparison here:
Ronnie has better taper, a much thicker back, way better arms, better deliniation between muscle groups, better symmetry etc etc.
Yates has more detail in the traps. that is IT.
::)
I would love to see ND try and explain this one.. ::)
dorian deserves number 2 quite clearly.
ha ha ha, somehow my back made it into this thread. I'd like to see how ND's back compares. ;D
I'm a tad bigger than 168 pounds
You're trying too hard to be like me, kiddo, adopting my tags and style. I'm flattered.
You accuse me of something and I correct you and all you're left with is ' meltdown ' a meltdown would including calling someone a ' dirty Mexican ' you know you've been there
lmfao now you're reduced to Dorian may have tied him get out here , you NEVER once claimed Yates was comparable in terms of conditioning to Ronnie and you insisted the people who said so are outright liars and flat out wrong , it was me who said perhaps they did push in terms of conditioning however the difference is Yates could sustain that bone dry & rock hard conditioning at much higher bodyweights so either way you're wrong as usual
you're starting to sound like Hulkster ' anyone ' my argument is sound and you've yet to counter it and I've provided written and visual evidence . my argument is Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's has better density & conditioning , he has better balance & proportion and he's more complete and he's a better technical poser in essence he satisfies the IFBB judging criteria better than Ronnie
Your Hero Disagrees with you and so did Team Flex in 1999 ;)
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Oh boy, ha ha ha.
meltdown
Ronnie's overall conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpasssed. Dorian may have been just as dry, but his body fat wasn't as low. With Ronnie, I can't see any room for improvement - he was separated and striated from head to toe. It was like looking at an anatomy chart. With Dorian, however, I do see room for improvement.
your argument has already been refuted by visual evidence and quotes from credible sources who say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.
Ronnie's overall conditioning at the 01 ASC has never been surpasssed. Dorian may have been just as dry, but his body fat wasn't as low. With Ronnie, I can't see any room for improvement - he was separated and striated from head to toe. It was like looking at an anatomy chart. With Dorian, however, I do see room for improvement.
your argument has already been refuted by visual evidence and quotes from credible sources who say Ronnie is the greatest bodybuilder of all-time.
Ronnie can't see his own back ;D
So maybe he only meant "biggest, most developed" by "freakiest", but there isn't much to a back besides it's development in judging it's greatness, so we can assume here that the word is conotatively the same as saying it's the best ever. There are bodybuilders who's backs surpassed Yates' for detail, the only other quality there is in judging the greatness of a back, like Shawn Ray's and Wheeler's, but the difference in size is so great that it is unlikely that Ronnie would consider these backs as being greater than Dorian's. So it is a reasonable speculation that what he meant by saying that Yates had the freakiest back ever is that he had the best back ever.
He didn't say he would beat them
I was merely applying ND's retarded logic to Dorian's quote. ND thinks something needs to be explicitly said in order for it to have meaning. He doesn't believe in leaving room for interpretation. Consider the following interview and ND's response.
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
;)
Again you're talking out of your ass , 01 ASC has never been surpassed lmfao how would you know? by looking at pictures? seriously Neo you're beyond the point of being taken seriously Yates an IFBB judge says he's better conditioned this crushes your fan-boy dreams sorry and its supplemented by the quotes from McGough
No my argument was not refuted with visual proof another lie , you posted pictures and said it was refuted and you guys don't even know what you're looking at or what the rules are lol how can it be refuted? and again Neo just because Ronnie may be the greatest bodybuilder or all time doesn't mean he couldn't be beaten by Yates , Ronnie himself said he feels Yates would beat him you thinks quotes from others somehow trump this? when in fact a bunch of people have said Yates would beat Ronnie , including McGough , Priest , Taylor , it works both ways
No , no Neo not true you love to play with words and I was using your ' logic ' against you and thats ok because these quotes render that one moot
;)
Does anyone else think that Yate's chest wasn't that good?
Hey ND, why are you trying so hard to convince people that yates back is better? Does it bother you that much? If it does, then you really need to stop taking this "best back" so seriously. Most people and the Flex issue think Ronnie has the best back of all-time and some people think yates has the best back of all-time. It doesn't bother me or others if some people think yates back is better than Ronnie's. You need to give this thing a rest. You and Hulkster have probably aged 5 years over the 1 year course since this Truce thread has started with all of the bychting back and forth. Debating back and forth is fine, but it looks like you take all of this shyt as a threat. Just my thought.
By the way. Why isn't yates flexing his left lat in that first pic? Please don't say he is, because he is clearly not.
ND is a very sad insecure man. the fact that Ronnie was rightfully placed ahead of dorian causes him to lose sleep at night LOL
hey hulkster, if you took away all the posts of you pointing out how crazy ND was or how great ronnie was how many posts do you think you'd have?
Zero ???
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.freakiest backs he's ever seen!!!! he obviously cant turn around and see his own :P
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates "
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
Team Flex 1999 : Best Back - Dorian Yates
All of these quotes are POST retirement for Yates , now Flex says Ronnie is number one again what makes them right now but wrong before?
This shot is incredible
This shot is incredible :o
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235116;image)
monster "calves-bigger-than-quads"hahahahaha same thing with forearms n' upper arms. :o
I know b/c I have a better understanding of anatomy than you or Peter McGough, no offense to the guy. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.
::)
Shawn Perine - Flex, July 2007 p. 207
"After all, he's still, even at 43 yrs old, eight-time Mr. O Ronnie freakin' Coleman. Which is to say, arguably the best bodybuilder who has ever lived."
Greg Merritt - Flex, July 2007 p. 212
"Coleman is only two years older than the new Mr. O (hypothetical article saying if Toney Freeman won), but time stops for no man, including the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived."
Flex Wheeler - MD, February 2004
"I'll go on record as saying Ronnie is truly the biggest, hardest, most shredded Mr. Olympia in history. No disrespect to anybody at all, but I'd to identify Ronnie Coleman as the greatest Mr. Olympia of all time."
Jean Pierre Fux - Personal Website
"The current Mr. Olympia (Ronnie Coleman). In top shape, probably the best physique that ever stepped on stage."
Paul Dillet - MD, February 2004
"Understand that if Ronnie walked away tomorrow, I do not think anyone can measure up to the standards he has set. Just like Sergio Oliva, an awesome bodybuilder way ahead of his time, and like Flex Wheeler, who had an absolutely perfect, beautiful physique. No one will match Serigo or Flex and now Ronnie."
Steve Blechman - MD, Febrary 2004
"Ronnie perseveres and proves continually that, at his best, he is unbeatable."
Mike Matarazzo – Flex, January 1999
“I think this creature from another planet, Ronnie Coleman, is going to be number one for a while. I think that, in the shape he was in, he would have beaten Dorian Yates. Ronnie has every single attribute it takes to be the greatest bodybuilder who ever lived.”
Dorian Yates – PBW Radio Interview
"The judges would probably choose Ronnie [over me]."
I know b/c I have a better understanding of anatomy than you or Peter McGough, no offense to the guy. Conditioning and definition are directly correlated. As a person drops subcutaneous fat and water, the distance between the skin and muscles decreases revealing more separations and striations. There's no medical reason why definition would cease to improve after a certain point while that person continues to drop more fat and water.
Hey ND, why are you trying so hard to convince people that yates back is better? Does it bother you that much? If it does, then you really need to stop taking this "best back" so seriously. Most people and the Flex issue think Ronnie has the best back of all-time and some people think yates has the best back of all-time. It doesn't bother me or others if some people think yates back is better than Ronnie's. You need to give this thing a rest. You and Hulkster have probably aged 5 years over the 1 year course since this Truce thread has started with all of the bychting back and forth. Debating back and forth is fine, but it looks like you take all of this shyt as a threat. Just my thought.
By the way. Why isn't yates flexing his left lat in that first pic? Please don't say he is, because he is clearly not.
ND is a very sad insecure man. the fact that Ronnie was rightfully placed ahead of dorian causes him to lose sleep at night LOL
meh
Some people prefer yates conditioned/crisp flat look and most people prefer Ronnie's deep seperated/thick 3D look.
I can always count on you for a good laugh , you're the same idiot who though balance & proportion were the same thing , so much for what you know about anatomy
and listen you're attempting to ascertain one's level of conditioning bases on pictures ONLY despite never seeing the two in person I mean you're a complete moron if you think you know more than McGough of Yates who is an IFBB judge I mean seriously kid , oh and don't forget striations are genetic hence why some guys have more than others just like vascularity again you ONLY know what they thought you and thats not much
stop avoiding the issue and tell me what you think Ronnie meant by his interview response. There are only 2 logical interpretations - either he would beat Dorian or Dorian would beat him. Which is it? Let's see how good your reading comprehension is.
Ronnie Coleman Interview by John Stamatopoulos
John: "Let's say that it would be possible to have a bodybuilding contest where the only competitors would be you... and Dorian Yates, and all of you in their prime condition. Who do you believe would win?"
Ronnie: "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman who else would win."
ND, I'm waiting for you to respond to this post. ;)
Well nobody else is so take your dumbass comments to the truce thread and keep them there.
Stubbs back does not compare to Yates or Coleman when you look at it from all angles. He only compares in the fully relaxed pose. When he goes to hit a double biceps his back looks rather medicore, although wide and thick. It just doesn't have a good look to it.
The difference in condition here is staggering. Coleman looks soft like a marshmellow compared to Yates.
(http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb224/Iceman1981photos/Yates%20and%20Coleman/yc72.jpg)
fanciful scale on those pics and Yates' back is everything Ronnies is and then some
I agree with that. If you go and look at any of his competition pics his back
is not nearly as impressive as when he's just standing relaxed.
I think alot of it has to do with his height and lack of extreme seperation.
He has a great back but a little overated in my opinion.
I'll post some pics and a youtube video (where he was in very good shape as an example).
This is Ironman lighting also which is some of the best. He looks awesome but not on Yates
or Ronnie's level.
NastySissy Diety is a fool and gets owned so much its painful to watch.
Yates' back is nothing compared to Coleman's. Coleman had pretty much the best everything - but calves - of all time. Yates is fortunate to get second. I have seen Nasser's back beat his at the O. Also Yates is disgusting to look at, his backacne makes me feel sick
NastySissy Diety is a fool and gets owned so much its painful to watch.
1. Almost a perfect bdb shot.
2. Lots of detail.
3. Not even Coleman or Yates lats showed so much in the front DB shot.
4. Even in a side shot you can see the thickness and low insertions of the lat muscles.
Damn, Stubbs back looks rather mediocre in those shots :-\ Based on those pics I'd say he is well overrated at 3rd. Flex should have been higher. Possibly the most detailed back of all time.
You must be on crystal meth ::) ::) ::)
::)
(http://www.anabolic-steroids.blogspot.com/flex-wheeler.jpg)
Here is 3rd place overall IMHO...but only the 1983 version.
Any other version I wouldn't put third.
I place him over Haney because Samir had so much more detail
in his back than Haney did.
Samir's back looks full, thick and detailed from any angle.
OK do you have any other shots that aren't heavily shadowed pics from the 93 Ironman or 93 Olympia........ Right didn't think so.
here are more pics of Samir's back in case you haven't seen them.
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Samir%20Bannout/SamirBannout52.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Samir%20Bannout/SamirBannout48a.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Samir%20Bannout/SamirBannout15.jpg)
Based on those criteria there you used for Samir, I don't see how you have Coleman in front of Yates. Yates' back is more detailed than Coleman and his lats are thicker and insert far lower.
(http://www.bodybuilder.ro/gallery/thebest/Flex%20Wheeler%2002.jpg)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA and you think he should be higher, Cormier wasn't even on the list and dominates him from the back even in detail. Flex has small traps and no lower back or width.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235234;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235235;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235236;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235238;image)
Remove Cormier's nuts from your mouth for a second. First off, you are posting pictures when Flex was at his worst, the year after he broke his neck. Secondly, even at Cormier's all time best in 1999, an off flex still defeated him ;) Flex is a 4 time ASC, 5 time Ironman winner. Cormier does not compare really in any regard. Cormier will simply be remembered as the guy that "could have."
Chris = Real Deal! One of the best backs should be top 5!
Uh thats ronnies back.
Anyway, i think its undeniable that despite his many flaws, cormier has the finest thigh rods ever to be displayed on stage
I hope you mean personal flaws because structurally he had none, although many beat him body part for body part practically no one can beat him overall.
balance and proportion are synonymous, you idiot. Just look in a dictionary. I swear you are so f*cking stupid at times.
pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive in person than in pics. Also, Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.
balance and proportion are synonymous, you idiot. Just look in a dictionary. I swear you are so f*cking stupid at times.
pics are a reliable means of ascertaining one's conditioning. I agree that bodybuilders look more impressive in person, but that applies to almost every competitor - not just Dorian. So it's safe to assume that Ronnie would look equally more impressive in person than in pics. Also, Peter McGough never explicitly said Dorian had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie. He simply said that nobody has ever matched Dorian's dryness and hardness. This actually contradicts what he said earlier about 98 Ronnie.
Peter McGough – unknown
“When Mr. Coleman showed up at the New York event in October, Mr. McGough says he immediately noticed the difference. “He was really much harder,” he says. “He retained his size, but he had the density and granite hardness."
seeing as how he referred to both Dorian and Ronnie as being made of "granite," I don't see how Dorian could be harder unless he was talking about certain types of granite. Now let's look at other quotes regarding Ronnie's superb conditioning at the 01 ASC.
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Sean Toh – http://creditplushealth.org/sport%20celebrities/Ronnie%20Coleman.htm
“At the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic, Ronnie won the show and his performance at the time was hailed by many to be his best ever showing. He was 245 pounds at the contest, in extremely tight form, and dense as stone.”
one guy hails Ronnie's conditioning as the greatest ever while another compares his density to stone. So unless Dorian was made of diamond, I doubt he had better conditioning than 01 ASC Ronnie.
Again we're strictly talking about the context in professional bodybuilding again the point stands you did NOT know they were different you fought me tooth & nail until I posted quotes from two IFBB judges showing so again you don't know much when it comes to professional bodybuilding and then to have the balls to say you know more than people with 30 years plus in the profession and here is the best part NEVER once in your life attending a pro show you're a retard plain & simple
LMFAO pic's are reliable these are meltdown statements " I know more than McGough because I'm a certified personal trainer " " I know more than IFBB judges " " I know more than the people who attended the shows " again Neo you have moved beyond the point of being taken seriously . pictures will NEVER replace actually being there therefore they are not accurate and reliable only a complete idiot would claim otherwise
and you want to play with words again?
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
On the subject of conditioning, no-one did it better than Dorian. He achieved a hardness and dryness (without losing fullness) that nobody has ever matched. In the flesh he looked even harder than he did in photos. It was like a statue made of granite was standing in front of you.
he was never drier or harder than Dorian. This is as specific as it gets he was " NEVER drier or harder than Dorian , that means 1998/1999/2000/2001/2002/2003/2004/2005/2006/2007/2008 NEVER
nev·er (nĕv'ər)
adv.
1. Not ever; on no occasion; at no time
2. Not at all; in no way; absolutely not
get it? never. now who are we to believe the idiot certified personal trainer who's never been to a pro contest in his life or a man who has 30 plus years in the business of professional bodybuilding , who was the former editor of the biggest bodybuilding publication who as seen both men live & in person at their very best & worse on-stage with them at the same time?
It doesn't matter what YOU can see YOU weren't there and I've maintained that perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that type of conditioning at his very lightest 244 pounds at the 01 Arnold and 1998 Mr Olympia albeit a LOT lighter Dorian's conditioning according to respected sources has been UNMATCHED as high as 285 pounds and thats entertaining they are in fact equal in this department . however McGough and Dorian specific to the argument have both said Yates has better conditioning than Ronnie period , and these people kick the living shit out of your ' opinion '
Where is the guy claiming Ronnie's conditioning was the greatest ever? thats a lie period , you mean the guy asking the question NO WHERE does he state Ronnie's conditioning is the greatest ever more wishful thinking on your behalf and again Neo the ' certified personal trainer ' doubts Dorian had better conditioning than Ronnie 01 ASC lmfao your biggest problem is you take yourself seriously , who cares what you think? you never seen the contests in question , in fact you've never seen a pro contest and your life and you're going to claim the people who were there are dead wrong and you're right because ' you know more about anatomy ' lmmfao
Neo you're like Hulkster you're to far gone to be taken seriously anymore .
ND, I'm waiting for you to respond to this post. ;)
And the difference in width, deep seperation and thickness of Ronnie's back murders yates. All yates has is better conditioning.
There are things I like about both of their backs and I think it is close.
What pushes me over the edge for Coleman is the smaller waist and hips
that gives him an overall look from the back that Yates doesn't have.
Yates looks to me like a shredded powerlifter/bodybuilder whereas Coleman
from the back looks to me like a pure bodybuilders physique, although he still
looks powerful. This screenshots probably explains better what I'm talking about
than what I just wrote. (I also understand in this shot that Yates is probably standing
further away than Kevin to the camera.) We'd honestly have to see them side by side at their bests
to know for sure.
You just keep getting stupider as you go, don't you? "Practically no one can beat him overall." Is that why he never won the Arnold or Olympia? Cormier had a complete physique, but it was never good enough to be the best. He lacked in condition and dense mass (in the side back shot you can truly see how thin his back was). And for you to call Flex "overrated" and compare him to Dexter, LOL ::) Dexter is a nobody compared to Flex. If you want proof look at the difference in structure and shape when they stood side by side at the 99BGP. Flex was a 4 time Arnold Classic winner. I highly doubt that will be matched.
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/1999englishgrandprix/62.jpg)
Again we're strictly talking about the context in professional bodybuilding again the point stands you did NOT know they were different you fought me tooth & nail until I posted quotes from two IFBB judges showing so again you don't know much when it comes to professional bodybuilding and then to have the balls to say you know more than people with 30 years plus in the profession and here is the best part NEVER once in your life attending a pro show you're a retard plain & simple
LMFAO pic's are reliable these are meltdown statements " I know more than McGough because I'm a certified personal trainer " " I know more than IFBB judges " " I know more than the people who attended the shows " again Neo you have moved beyond the point of being taken seriously . pictures will NEVER replace actually being there therefore they are not accurate and reliable only a complete idiot would claim otherwise
and you want to play with words again?
It doesn't matter what YOU can see YOU weren't there and I've maintained that perhaps Ronnie did match Yates for that type of conditioning at his very lightest 244 pounds at the 01 Arnold and 1998 Mr Olympia albeit a LOT lighter Dorian's conditioning according to respected sources has been UNMATCHED as high as 285 pounds and thats entertaining they are in fact equal in this department . however McGough and Dorian specific to the argument have both said Yates has better conditioning than Ronnie period , and these people kick the living shit out of your ' opinion '
Thats been address eons ago , he eludes that he would win
I don't have a dog in this fight. So, I can actually look at this objectively. While Yates looks incredible in lat spread poses, to me, the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.
I gotta give it to Ronnie.
there you have it folks! ND just admitted that Ronnie said he would beat Dorian.
No I didn't I said he eluded to it , never committed and what did he say on the two occasions he did commit?
I don't have a dog in this fight. So, I can actually look at this objectively. While Yates looks incredible in lat spread poses, to me, the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.
I gotta give it to Ronnie.
alluding and explicitly stating are the same thing. What do you think is the difference? And please don't tell me that Ronnie seemed uncertain with his response. He sounded pretty cocky to me.
Again according to who? you and your biased ass ' comparison ' how would you know how wide both men were ? again Ronnie has smaller waist & hips that help with the ILLUSION of width , Yates doesn't and look at your ' comparison ' Dorian waist is as small of not smaller than Ronnie's lmfao you wonder why you idiots think Ronnie is unbeatable you makes these ridiculous comparisons and actually believe them lol you guys are to simple lol
I can ask you the same stupid questions you just asked. The only thing to do is post pics. Yates waist is bigger along with his bigger head and slightly bigger forearms. While Ronnie's waist is smaller along with his smaller head and slightly smaller forearms which is correct. Stop complaining like a little bytch. If I make yates any bigger, then his head will be twice the size as Ronnie's and his arms will be the same size as Ronnie's. Get over it. This is as close as it will get for a comparison.
Again spare me your ' comparisons '
this is an actual comparison kid and the difference is staggering
Let's see, you post a comparison of when Ronnie wasn't even Mr. O yet. Wow, you got us all there ::)
Let's see, you post a comparison of when Ronnie wasn't even Mr. O yet. Wow, you got us all there ::)
the definitive back pose is the rear double-bi. For some reason, Yates just doesn't look right in the pose; whereas Ronnie is incomparable.
Due to Yates' flapjacks; the biceps barely exist.
Again spare me your ' comparisons '
this is an actual comparison kid and the difference is staggering
Due to Yates' flapjacks; the biceps barely exist.
Stop trolling , this has to do with backs NOT biceps , stick to the topic troll ;)
In terms of back, this is in color and more definitive in terms of lat width and taper.
OWNED
The shot is taken from below dummy, of course you won't be able to see much of the biceps. Plus, as typical, are using the worst shot you can. If you actually used good shots of Yates you'd be contradicting yourself left and right hahahaa
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4120-11/1993-mr-olympia-101-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=0eca2edf2d2b453b4a76edf36ae07707)
(http://www.muscletime.com/gallery/d/4103-11/1993-mr-olympia-96-dorian-yates.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=0eca2edf2d2b453b4a76edf36ae07707)
Pot calling kettle..double-flaps in yo face.
In terms of back, this is in color and more definitive in terms of lat width and taper.
OWNED
This is a known shot of them side-by-side NEITHER are at their best but the difference is staggering Yates is just 7 pounds heavier and his back is just in another league
His back there was a shell of what it eventually became.
Bullshit ! he was 250 pounds in that pic with Yates he was 247 pounds in 1998 and 244 pounds in 2001 his back is very comparable in 1996 & 1997 , but 1999 he was a tad wider and fuller but again at the expense of density . by 2000 his back was super wide and full ( again soft ) and 2003 but his back in 1996 is comparable when he was lighter
these pic are Ronnie at 255 pounds in 1997 his back was already massive the next year he completely dried out and lost some size but looked leaps & bounds better for it
The proof without a doubt are in the pictures I posted after your black and white one.
If you think his back didn't improve alot then your entitled to your opinion but I disagree
and I believe the pictures I posted prove it.
Pssssst Yates has *no* biceps in that shot lol
Pssssst Yates has *no* biceps in that shot lol
Your Hero Disagrees with you and so did Team Flex in 1999 ;)
Ronnie Coleman : DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Peter McGough never said Dorian had better overall conditioning than Ronnie. He just says that nobody ever surpassed him.
Uh thats ronnies back.
Anyway, i think its undeniable that despite his many flaws, cormier has the finest thigh rods ever to be displayed on stage
Cocky would be " yeah I could beat all of them " he never committed to a clear cut statement , just like Yates never did
Ronnie's back was negligibly larger in 98 and 99 compared to that shot. He would still be dwarfed by the great Dorian Yates.
Wrong. I have the quote from FLEX editorial "Dorian's Delicate Condition", which states:
"No bodybuilder has ever been as hard and dry as he man who won six Sandows."
The proof without a doubt are in the pictures I posted after your black and white one.
If you think his back didn't improve alot then your entitled to your opinion but I disagree
and I believe the pictures I posted prove it.
cocky would also be saying, "Come on now, this is the age of Ronnie Coleman. Who else would win?"
ND and Pubes are the only idiots on the planet who cannot see the improvement in the back Ronnie made from 96 to 99.
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conditioning includes body fat and water levels. Peter McGough only refered to dryness. ;)
His back was awesome in 1996
Ronnie 1995 vs Ronnie 1999.
like I said, trying to compare Ronnie's 95/6 back that he competed against dorian with and his 99 back is just stupid:
this should stop the idiot nuthuggers from ever saying bullshit like the difference was 'negliable" again.. ::)
I disagree , again you're forced to guess what he would say or might have said , lets focus on what he did say!
Thats been address eons ago , he eludes that he would win
but it became way better by 1999.
sorry kiddo, but there's no guesswork involved. Ronnie clearly says he would beat Dorian. You even agreed. ;)
Bullshit. He would be soft if he had significant bodyfat, so your claim is flat out wrong. You do know that McGough refered to both bodyfat and water levels, but of course you won't admit it because otherwise it would be admitting that you were wrong about McGough never claiming that Dorian's condiitoning was never matched. You are a bold faced liar, and you know it.
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lmfao when owned Neo cracks out the bull shit ' comparisons ' since when did Dorian at Ronnie have comparable waist sizes and calf size? LMFAO
1996 ( I believe ) and 2001 ASC and his back improved my ass !
I love how the Dorian nuthuggers blindly accept the words of a journalist over medical doctors and ignore visual evidence. I suppose if Peter McGough said his diarrhea smelled like roses but you had to be there to smell it, ND and co. would all believe him. ::)
Different quality pictures , different results the pictures you posted prove NOTHING as usual this is why you're an idiot , you're trying to ascertain one level of conditioning on a magazine scan and then telling the people who there live and in person they're wrong.
The other poster was right, like pubes you're blind he's clearly more cut in the other pic you idiot lol
excuses excuses. I used high resolution pics of Dorian. So don't complain.
lmfao what medical doctor claimed Dorian was never hard or drier than Ronnie? are you know claiming you're an MD? what happened to the " Certified Personal Trainer " gig?
I was comparing their conditioning, you dumbass. Since when does scaling hide separations and striations?
read any anatomy and physiology book.
I have a copy of Gray's Anatomy ;) and a TON of magazine and bodybuilding books that all cover physiology
for once in your life you're right , he's more cut in 1996 !
Now read them. :-\
but he was narrow as hell compared to his peak years:
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I have and again , I think I'd loan them to you especially when you're the genius who thinks Nasser is beating Yates in a back shot then again maybe I'll just start a collection for new glasses
Right, Yates is really showing him, with those tiny arms and big stomach. ::) ::) ::) Nasser is only bigger and more cut, Yates wins everything else. ::)
but he was narrow as hell in 95/96 compared to his peak years later on:
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I said back shot and you post a front shot and by bigger you mean a LOT softer you're right and more cut my ass thats just plain wrong period. again learn how professional bodybuilding contests are judged and please keep in mind all rounds are physique rounds and its clear cut why Yates won despite his smaller " show muscles "
Again you choose selected pics of Yates to ' prove ' your point and FYI Neo striations are genetic and again the sad part is you actually believe this lol
So by posting pictures you're trying to convince me that McGough is wrong? Good, because that means you agree with me that McGough was referring both to bodyfat and water levels in his quote.
I love how the Dorian nuthuggers blindly accept the words of a journalist over medical doctors and ignore visual evidence. I suppose if Peter McGough said his diarrhea smelled like roses but you had to be there to smell it, ND and co. would all believe him. ::)
or how when ronnie himself says something (july, flex, 2003), you totally ignore it and instead think your opinion is more valid than an 8 time mr. olympia.
what year is the pic of Ronnie on the right from, and how much did he weigh?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=201532.0;attach=235387;image)
Hulkster posting 95 shots in fear LOL. Anyone who knows anything will tell you that the greatest improvement Coleman ever made in his career was from 95 to 96
I still can't believe Flex is on this list and Cormier isn't I mean really come on does anyone out there agree with me. I think the pics speak for themselves.
His problem was a complete lack of specialness, including the back.
So Flex Wheeler with basically no lower back, no traps, no width and only detail makes the list and not Cormier... Sorry but I am not buying it ::)
Cormier's back was not compelling, like all the rest of him. Nice overall look, nothing that jumped out. His strength was being jack of all trades, master of none. Deal with it. ;)