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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: NarcissisticDeity on March 24, 2010, 05:32:44 PM
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By far
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:o
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you're, intentionally, forgetting ronnie coleman.
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you just don't see separation and detail like that today. just look at how separated even his triceps are, insane
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Can't think of one that beats him off the top of my head ND. Imagine what he mighta done had he not been such a lazy ass...
(http://66.197.81.159/thumbs/flex-wheeler-1.jpg)
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you're, intentionally, forgetting ronnie coleman.
Ronnie was exceptional in 01 but that gut just ruins it :-\
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:o
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Ok, I admit I am bias as a lifelong fan of Nasser but he had so much more mass than Kenny and he also boasted great symmetry and brilliant calves. Cannot get away from just how important and stunning giant calves are look on a stage.
For me Nasser has it all and in better measure than Kenny. He has the stunning mass with still aesthetic harmony and total development in terms of proportion and balance. No Ninja attacks too!
Nasser = the greatest Arnold winner of all time
(http://kulturystyka.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nasser.bmp)
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Nasser-El-Sonbaty-2.jpg)
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Ok, I admit I am bias as a lifelong fan of Nasser but he had so much more mass than Kenny and he also boasted great symmetry and brilliant calves. Cannot get away from just how important and stunning giant calves are look on a stage.
For me Nasser has it all and in better measure than Kenny. He has the stunning mass with still aesthetic harmony and total development in terms of proportion and balance. No Ninja attacks too!
Nasser = the greatest Arnold winner of all time
(http://kulturystyka.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nasser.bmp)
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Nasser-El-Sonbaty-2.jpg)
Right on cue... ::)
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Ok, I admit I am bias as a lifelong fan of Nasser but he had so much more mass than Kenny and he also boasted great symmetry and brilliant calves. Cannot get away from just how important and stunning giant calves are look on a stage.
For me Nasser has it all and in better measure than Kenny. He has the stunning mass with still aesthetic harmony and total development in terms of proportion and balance. No Ninja attacks too!
Nasser = the greatest Arnold winner of all time
(http://kulturystyka.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nasser.bmp)
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Nasser-El-Sonbaty-2.jpg)
Why not post pictures from the actual contest like ND did? Why not post a back shot?
Yeah, that's what I thought.
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you're, intentionally, forgetting ronnie coleman.
agreed.
gut or no gut, these pics are just as incredible:
Flex looked amazing in 93 though.
but Ronnie was the greatest AC winner ever. Hell, even ND's love interest Peter McGough feels Ronnie's AC physique was the best ever.
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ND, why are you showing shots of Ron not on stage? Very stupid arguement.
Sharma, no one gives a fuck about calves.
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ND, why are you showing shots of Ron not on stage? Very stupid arguement.
Sharma, no one gives a fuck about calves.
*Cough.
I care about calves.
But I still don't give a fuck about Nasser ;D
Wheeler = Greatest AC winner.
Coleman = Close 2nd.
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Yep, Flex 4x Arnold Classic winner. Beat Nasser who was 275-280 pounds, Flex was 224. Flex even won the Most Muscular Award, a award that Nasser didn't win when he won the 1999 Arnold, Kevin won that award. And guess who would have probably won the contest if he didn't decide to skip it? Flex, that's who. Better detail, shape, and conditioning than any other, and no gut.
Too bad the video for the 1993 Arnold Classic was never, and probably will never be released. I wonder why. Maybe Ron and company can persuade Jim to release the footage...on DVD/Blu-Ray, call it a special edition or something.
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Ok, I admit I am bias as a lifelong fan of Nasser but he had so much more mass than Kenny and he also boasted great symmetry and brilliant calves. Cannot get away from just how important and stunning giant calves are look on a stage.
For me Nasser has it all and in better measure than Kenny. He has the stunning mass with still aesthetic harmony and total development in terms of proportion and balance. No Ninja attacks too!
Nasser = the greatest Arnold winner of all time
(http://kulturystyka.pl/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nasser.bmp)
(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Nasser-El-Sonbaty-2.jpg)
Nasser looks like a giant bag of shit there. for as big as he is he looks flat, not three dimensional like the greats. crappy shoulders and arms from the front, along with short legs and hips like a donkey.
from the back he looks like a pile of muddy shit that got trampled on by pack mules.
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If i ever saw Nasser i would hook a bungee in his nose and hang him from a tree.
Then i would beat him like a pinata until all the synthol and steroids came out :D
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I agree Flex was the best ASC winner and best Ironman Pro winner.
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Ronnie looks like he's hiding a couple packs of dairy creamer behind those nips
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=364435;image)
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If i ever saw Nasser i would hook a bungee in his nose and hang him from a tree.
Then i would beat him like a pinata until all the synthol and steroids came out :D
A 10 on creativity! ;D
LMAO!
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A 10 on creativity! ;D
LMAO!
i have my moments ;D
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Here Team Nasser, I'll help you out and post a pic of Nasser when he looked pretty good. Still can't beat Flex though
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103123.0;attach=360723;image)
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A 10 on creativity! ;D
LMAO!
I got a cratine cramp from laughing at it.
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LOL @ Dexter
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvaE54eYoQI/AAAAAAAABtU/njyZfFr7KlY/s400/Ronnie+Coleman,+Dexter+Jackson,+Flex+Wheeler+at+the+1999+Mr.+Olympia.JPG)
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvZ_uWHIXBI/AAAAAAAABrk/viY-_t5cA4M/s400/1999-mr-olympia-256_20090921_186600.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvZ_kZkUHFI/AAAAAAAABrc/TO1FGYm1W5Y/s400/1999-mr-olympia-257_20090921_13252.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvZ_RoIjP0I/AAAAAAAABrU/xlBdcOOE7iQ/s400/1999-mr-olympia-258_20090921_15607734.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvZ-2mMt1fI/AAAAAAAABrM/H_pnu34hyRA/s400/1999-mr-olympia-259_20090921_1646178575.JPG)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvaDfcrT03I/AAAAAAAABs8/BhthTZ3C4x0/s400/1999-mr-olympia-223_20090921_15753.JPG)
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Just to be fare Chris Cormier was the 2nd best Runner up in the ASC ever!
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Look at how shitty Nasser looks. He thought that after Dorian retired he might finally achieve Olympia glory, only to have an even freakier beast come along and slam the door shut on Nasser being a relevant BBer
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvaDfcrT03I/AAAAAAAABs8/BhthTZ3C4x0/s400/1999-mr-olympia-223_20090921_15753.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvZ_kZkUHFI/AAAAAAAABrc/TO1FGYm1W5Y/s400/1999-mr-olympia-257_20090921_13252.JPG)
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ND, do you have that rare Flex pic I posted? It was the one of him standing and it shows his back and calves flexed.
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Flex Magazines top 5 Arnold winners...
http://www.musclesprod.com/featured/top-5-arnold-classic-physiques/ (http://www.musclesprod.com/featured/top-5-arnold-classic-physiques/)
We weigh in on our five favorite physiques ever to grace the Arnold Classic stage
February 23, 2010
Shawn Perine
This year Columbus, Ohio will play host to the 22nd edition of the Arnold Classic Bodybuilding Championships, a contest second only to the Mr. Olympia in terms of prestige, and one with a great history of its own. Starting in 1989, with Rich Gaspari edging out Robby Robinson for the win, ‘The Arnold’ has seen its share of great bodybuilding champions leave Ohio not just with a massive check in hand, but the knowledge that they were now firmly ensconced forevermore in bodybuilding’s top echelon.
Yet for as high a standard as was reached by each of the dozen men who’ve won the title (which, by the way, is one more than the number who have won the Olympia), a few physiques stand out as paragons of perfection. Below we’ve compiled a list of our five favorites, starting with number five…
5. Jay Cutler (2003)
Because he decided to skip the 2002 Mr. Olympia due to his controversial loss to Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler had a full year to revamp his physique between his first Arnold win in 2002 and what would be his second. Coming in at a hard 255 pounds, Jay won this one over Chris Cormier (whom he relegated to second in all three of his wins), unlike the following year when he slipped by Cormier by a scant point.
4. Kai Greene (2009)
When Kai Greene took the stage at last year’s Arnold Classic a collective gasp emanated from the Veterans Memorial Auditorium. His was one of the most massive, most densely-packed bodies ever to appear in any bodybuilding contest in history. His win was a no-brainer and had he brought the same exacting level of conditioning to the Olympia stage later that year he may well have pushed Jay Cutler hard for top honors.
3. Dexter Jackson (2008)
A case could be made that the best Dexter Jackson we’ve yet to see appeared not at the 2008 Mr. Olympia, which he won, but six months earlier in Columbus. With the exception of his calves there is nothing to criticize about the Jackson physique, and at the 2008 Arnold the rest of the man was so on point that talking about his lower legs would be akin to whistling in the wind. The guy was very, very close to perfect on that day.
2. Flex Wheeler (1993)
Speaking of perfect, when talk in bodybuilding circles turns to physique perfection one of the most mentioned men is Flex Wheeler, the 1993 version of Wheeler in particular. At just 27 and in his rookie year as an IFBB pro, Wheeler brought to bear a physique that was — in a word — beautiful, and that physique saw its apex at that year’s Arnold Classic. It’s worth noting that while his conditioning might not have equaled that of later champs, it was just right for the time.
(The last sentence is interesting to me. I'd like to hear other people's opinion.)
1. Ronnie Coleman (2001)
Of his eight Olympia and overall 26 IFBB professional wins, Ronnie Coleman has established himself as arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all times, and this is the version of his physique is the one most experts point to as being his best. Standing 5′11″ and weighing 247 pounds, Coleman was hyper-muscular, tight, dry and still retained the lines (wasp waist and all) of his amateur days. From head to toe, back to front, he astounded judges, audience and fellow competitors alike. The 2001 AC Coleman was a physique for the ages.
It's hard to go against Flex when you see those pics but I've heard from people that saw the show that Labrada was wider than Flex proportion wise and at 216 he would have a hard time beating a shredded Ronnie at 247.
If bodybuilding is a pure art form then flex should win.
If bodybuilding is a mixture of art, sport, shock and awe, freakshow; then Ronnie should win.
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first off that nasser comment was just laughable....
what ken wheeler brought to the ASC stage in 1993 was one of the greatest single-day peaks in the history of bodybuilding
i really can't see where that comment about his conditioning is drawn from, looks at the veins in his back, and how detailed his Xmas tree is.....yesterday, today, anyday....any ifbb pro would be happy bringing that level of conditioning to the stage
once again sharmin......the nasser comment was just laughable , he sucks
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Flex Magazines top 5 Arnold winners...
http://www.musclesprod.com/featured/top-5-arnold-classic-physiques/ (http://www.musclesprod.com/featured/top-5-arnold-classic-physiques/)
We weigh in on our five favorite physiques ever to grace the Arnold Classic stage
February 23, 2010
Shawn Perine
This year Columbus, Ohio will play host to the 22nd edition of the Arnold Classic Bodybuilding Championships, a contest second only to the Mr. Olympia in terms of prestige, and one with a great history of its own. Starting in 1989, with Rich Gaspari edging out Robby Robinson for the win, ‘The Arnold’ has seen its share of great bodybuilding champions leave Ohio not just with a massive check in hand, but the knowledge that they were now firmly ensconced forevermore in bodybuilding’s top echelon.
Yet for as high a standard as was reached by each of the dozen men who’ve won the title (which, by the way, is one more than the number who have won the Olympia), a few physiques stand out as paragons of perfection. Below we’ve compiled a list of our five favorites, starting with number five…
5. Jay Cutler (2003)
Because he decided to skip the 2002 Mr. Olympia due to his controversial loss to Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler had a full year to revamp his physique between his first Arnold win in 2002 and what would be his second. Coming in at a hard 255 pounds, Jay won this one over Chris Cormier (whom he relegated to second in all three of his wins), unlike the following year when he slipped by Cormier by a scant point.
4. Kai Greene (2009)
When Kai Greene took the stage at last year’s Arnold Classic a collective gasp emanated from the Veterans Memorial Auditorium. His was one of the most massive, most densely-packed bodies ever to appear in any bodybuilding contest in history. His win was a no-brainer and had he brought the same exacting level of conditioning to the Olympia stage later that year he may well have pushed Jay Cutler hard for top honors.
3. Dexter Jackson (2008)
A case could be made that the best Dexter Jackson we’ve yet to see appeared not at the 2008 Mr. Olympia, which he won, but six months earlier in Columbus. With the exception of his calves there is nothing to criticize about the Jackson physique, and at the 2008 Arnold the rest of the man was so on point that talking about his lower legs would be akin to whistling in the wind. The guy was very, very close to perfect on that day.
2. Flex Wheeler (1993)
Speaking of perfect, when talk in bodybuilding circles turns to physique perfection one of the most mentioned men is Flex Wheeler, the 1993 version of Wheeler in particular. At just 27 and in his rookie year as an IFBB pro, Wheeler brought to bear a physique that was — in a word — beautiful, and that physique saw its apex at that year’s Arnold Classic. It’s worth noting that while his conditioning might not have equaled that of later champs, it was just right for the time.
(The last sentence is interesting to me. I'd like to hear other people's opinion.)
1. Ronnie Coleman (2001)
Of his eight Olympia and overall 26 IFBB professional wins, Ronnie Coleman has established himself as arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all times, and this is the version of his physique is the one most experts point to as being his best. Standing 5′11″ and weighing 247 pounds, Coleman was hyper-muscular, tight, dry and still retained the lines (wasp waist and all) of his amateur days. From head to toe, back to front, he astounded judges, audience and fellow competitors alike. The 2001 AC Coleman was a physique for the ages.
It's hard to go against Flex when you see those pics but I've heard from people that saw the show that Labrada was wider than Flex proportion wise and at 216 he would have a hard time beating a shredded Ronnie at 247.
If bodybuilding is a pure art form then flex should win.
If bodybuilding is a mixture of art, sport, shock and awe, freakshow; then Ronnie should win.
NO Nasser? ??? ;D
and I'm glad that most experts point to it's being Ronnie's best ;D
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ND, do you have that rare Flex pic I posted? It was the one of him standing and it shows his back and calves flexed.
;D
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ND, do you have that rare Flex pic I posted? It was the one of him standing and it shows his back and calves flexed.
Flex was probably the best symmetrical physique of all time combined with size, he got caught in between the times never winning the Mr O because the judging changed to freaks instead of symmetry. I'm sure ND will come up with a pic
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agreed.
gut or no gut, these pics are just as incredible:
Flex looked amazing in 93 though.
but Ronnie was the greatest AC winner ever. Hell, even ND's love interest Peter McGough feels Ronnie's AC physique was the best ever. Right after Dorian 1993 pre-contest
Fixed for you ;D I agree the pics are incredible which is why most experts point to it being his best ever ;)
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;D
ND's scanners working overtime, I knew he would come through.
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Here Team Nasser, I'll help you out and post a pic of Nasser when he looked pretty good. Still can't beat Flex though
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103123.0;attach=360723;image)
Torso waaayyy to long,legs way to short. :-\
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how many Hummers did Jay collect at the Arnold, 3?
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;D
Thanks, but that's not the one...the one on stage...I thought you saved it, I posted up so you could. I had scanned it.
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Ronnie is definitely impressive.
But Flex's lines and proportions are just perfect. An example of awesome genetics.
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I agree with the Flex top 3.
Greatest Arnold classic winner: Flex Wheeler 1993 or Ronnie Coleman 2001. I personally prefer Flex's physique.
Dexter was also pretty amazing and Shawn too, sadly he wasn't on the list.
I always wonder, what would've happened at the 1993 Olympia had Flex shown up like he did at the Arnold Classic?
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Flex Wheeler 1998 Arnolds GOAT. Even Arnold said that was the best physique he ever saw on anybody on stage
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Nasser's 1999 victory was the most massive at 289 lbs and by far the best Arnold winner. Wheeler look incredibly small next to him. Just look at this shot from this 98 Olympia for example. some people say you couldn't see the size difference between Kenny and Nasser - that's just BS. perhaps there wasn't much size difference in the arms alone but overall width and thickness the Zebra incredibly lacked next to the Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
Even Nasser's rear lat spread was wider than Wheeler's. The only thing Wheeler had on him was detail in the rear double biceps pose.
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Flex Wheeler 1998 Arnolds GOAT. Even Arnold said that was the best physique he ever saw on anybody on stage
I agree with OAK but unlike the Oak Flex never had the look he needed to win the O! Well I still say he won the O in 99. But Ronnie prevailed.
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you just don't see separation and detail like that today. just look at how separated even his triceps are, insane
The best muscle separation, yes.... best torso (front and lats) Ronnie takes it.
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Here is a snippet of Flex from the 1993 Arnold
as far as Lebrada being wider than Flex proportion wise, there is a snippet of Flex at the Arnold standing beside Lebrada, and it wasn't close. This snippet is on Flex's Mass Construction video.
Also, at the 1993 Mr. O, Flex's waist was as small or smaller than Labrada's was.
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Nasser's 1999 victory was the most massive at 289 lbs and by far the best Arnold winner. Wheeler look incredibly small next to him. Just look at this shot from this 98 Olympia for example. some people say you couldn't see the size difference between Kenny and Nasser - that's just BS. perhaps there wasn't much size difference in the arms alone but overall width and thickness the Zebra incredibly lacked next to the Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
Even Nasser's rear lat spread was wider than Wheeler's. The only thing Wheeler had on him was detail in the rear double biceps pose.
Wheeler didnt compete against him in '99 or he would have handed him his ass like he did every year. I would hope his rls would be wider when you outweigh them by 60lbs. Look I thought Nasser was good but from seeing old pics over and over you guys post he looks worse and worse. His back sucked, like amateur bb sucked and knowing how important a back is to a pro thats his fault for hitting it like a bitch.
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Wheeler didnt compete against him in '99 or he would have handed him his ass like he did every year. I would hope his rls would be wider when you outweigh them by 60lbs. Look I thought Nasser was good but from seeing old pics over and over you guys post he looks worse and worse. His back sucked, like amateur bb sucked and knowing how important a back is to a pro thats his fault for hitting it like a bitch.
Due to judging biases perhaps, but not due to having a better physique. After all, due to judging biases Yates probably would have won the 98 Olympia if he competed in it (even Ronnie said Yates would have kept winning if he didn't retire) - doesn't mean he has a better physique, just that he would have won
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Nasser's 1999 victory was the most massive at 289 lbs and by far the best Arnold winner. Wheeler look incredibly small next to him. Just look at this shot from this 98 Olympia for example. some people say you couldn't see the size difference between Kenny and Nasser - that's just BS. perhaps there wasn't much size difference in the arms alone but overall width and thickness the Zebra incredibly lacked next to the Three Times (at least) Uncrowned Mr. Olympia.
Even Nasser's rear lat spread was wider than Wheeler's. The only thing Wheeler had on him was detail in the rear double biceps pose.
1998 ASC you'd never know Flex is 40+ pounds lighter than Nasser ;)
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1998 ASC you'd never know Flex is 40+ pounds lighter than Nasser ;)
Nasser isn't even in Flex's league right there. Look at the hamstrings on that guy :o
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two of these guys are under 250 pounds and one of them is WELL over it guess which one ;D
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1998 ASC you'd never know Flex is 40+ pounds lighter than Nasser ;)
until they hit a rear lat spread, front double bicep, ab-thigh pose, etc. - any pose that shows width...then you see the size difference.
also if you consider that calf implants weigh less than muscle it adds to the difference ;)
BTW Nasser does look considerably bigger in that side chest shot - bad example. He is also further from the camera.
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Would you guess these two guys both weigh the same here?! :o
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until they hit a rear lat spread, front double bicep, ab-thigh pose, etc. - any pose that shows width...then you see the size difference.
also if you consider that calf implants weigh less than muscle it adds to the difference ;)
BTW Nasser does look considerably bigger in that side chest shot - bad example. He is also further from the camera.
I don't think so , Nasser disappears in some poses especially from the back and sides and Flex never had implants and it's ironic coming from someone who is clearly synthol abuser
and NO Nasser doesn't look ' considerably larger ' in that side chest in fact he looks about the same size as a much lighter guy , do yourself a favor and open the pic to get a bigger look and then come back and apologize for that dumb statement ;D
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Would you guess these two guys both weigh the same here?! :o
No I would guess Dorian weights a lot more ;)
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No I would guess Dorian weights a lot more ;)
Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser? :) Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right
Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width
And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler ::) Clearly shows your bias
Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.
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Back on topic of the best Arnold winner
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Back on topic of the best Arnold winner
You've said that Ronnie's best was the 2001 AC, and that at their respective bests Ronnie may have been able to beat Dorian, so what does that say about your opinion on Wheeler 93 AC vs. Dorian at his best?
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Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser? :) Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right
Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width
And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler ::) Clearly shows your bias
Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.
Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser? :) Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right
I am right , same weight and he's eons wider especially in the lats and his gut is bigger no doubts about it but he's making the 270 pound Nasser look smaller on the side of him in all aspects
Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width
I didn't understand your point of deflecting to Dorian when the topic was Flex , but when faced with the truth you often look for a way out , my point FYI Nasser weight advantage isn't one especially when you consider Flex destroyed him despite being lighter and he barely looks what he weighs in a lot of poses anyway so you toss out weights as if it means something
And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler ::) Clearly shows your bias
Ah someone missed the point yet again ( see a pattern here? ) the point is people who live in glass houses shouldn't be mentioning ' implants ' especially coming from a Nasser fan ;) and I am biased towards the better physique and that's Flex , you say I'm biased like it's a bad thing
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we are comparing Nasser to Flex now?
No fucking contest....Flex was a better BBer than Nasser could ever hope to be, it's like comparing F1 to NASCAR.
Flex has more detail and muscle QUALITY in one arm than Nasser has in his whole body.
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You've said that Ronnie's best was the 2001 AC, and that at their respective bests Ronnie may have been able to beat Dorian, so what does that say about your opinion on Wheeler 93 AC vs. Dorian at his best?
I've always said Flex 93 ASC could beat Dorian , old news and Dorian said out of all the people who compete with he felt Flex could possibly give him the most trouble and funny he never said that about Nasser ;D in fact he said he beat Nasser in 97 no question ;)
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Didnt know dorian was two inches taller than Nasser? :) Although his caved-out waist does look bigger - you are right
Not sure what your point is about Nasser and Flex because even if you post pics of Wheeler next to Dorian doing the same poses you wouldn't guess the weight difference either. Wheeler gave the illusion of having more size except he could not hide the lack of size in certain poses which showed his lack of width
And lol that you refer to Nasser as a synthol user while making a comparison to Wheeler ::) Clearly shows your bias
Herer are some examples where you see a more prominent weight difference.
Oh and I forgot , you just posted pictures of Flex VS Nasser in contests where Nasser LOST to Flex each time ;D
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I didn't understand your point of deflecting to Dorian when the topic was Flex , but when faced with the truth you often look for a way out , my point FYI Nasser weight advantage isn't one especially when you consider Flex destroyed him despite being lighter and he barely looks what he weighs in a lot of poses anyway so you toss out weights as if it means something
My point was the same applies to any of the bigger guys standing next to Flex (Dorian included, can also include Fux, Ruhl, etc) - because Flex was able to give the illusion of weighing more but only in some shots and in others you can tell he's smaller. I brought up this example because you are always singling out Nasser only for not showing his size difference in some poses next to Wheeler, when the same can be said about other big pros too. Again showing your anti-Nasser bias
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Oh and I forgot , you just posted pictures of Flex VS Nasser in contests where Nasser LOST to Flex each time ;D
Never claimed he won those, just that he shows his size difference and I disagree with the judges' opinions. So your point is irrelevent yet again
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I've always said Flex 93 ASC could beat Dorian , old news and Dorian said out of all the people who compete with he felt Flex could possibly give him the most trouble and funny he never said that about Nasser ;D in fact he said he beat Nasser in 97 no question ;)
If Kevin and Ronnie were in the shapes they won the 97 Grand Prix shows in, they'd have beaten Nasser in the Olympia as well.
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we are comparing Nasser to Flex now?
No fucking contest....Flex was a better BBer than Nasser could ever hope to be, it's like comparing F1 to NASCAR.
Flex has more detail and muscle QUALITY in one arm than Nasser has in his whole body.
they were neck to neck in many shows (and Nasser beat him in some too) - so they make a very close comparison even though you hate to admit it.
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If Kevin and Ronnie were in the shapes they won the 97 Grand Prix shows in, they'd have beaten Nasser in the Olympia as well.
If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.
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If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.
Nope. He only beat Flex, Kevin and Ronnie when they weren't dialed in 100%. When they were, they beat him every time.
From the front, he was close to unbeatable in some poses, but you know how it is with the back poses :-\
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My point was the same applies to any of the bigger guys standing next to Flex (Dorian included, can also include Fux, Ruhl, etc) - because Flex was able to give the illusion of weighing more but only in some shots and in others you can tell he's smaller. I brought up this example because you are always singling out Nasser only for not showing his size difference in some poses next to Wheeler, when the same can be said about other big pros too. Again showing your anti-Nasser bias
No the same can't be said about other pros , you can type it now prove it. Nasser disappeared from the back not only against Flex but almost everyone
you keep spouting his weight as if it means anything and it doesn't and you're showing of your Nasser bias again , and if you consider pointing out obvious flaws with Nasser as ' anti ' then you need help the guy isn't as good as you think he is compared to the like of Flex , Levrone , Ronnie and Dorian and I have the facts to back up my claim what do you have? ;)
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If Nasser was in the shape he was in the 96 Olympia (or 96 GP shows) or 98 Olympia or 97 or 98 or 99 Arnold Classic he would have beaten Kevin and Ronnie in the shape they were in the 97 Grand Prix shows.
And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. and if Dorian never tore a muscle he's be 10x MR O.
"IF".....LOL
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they were neck to neck in many shows (and Nasser beat him in some too) - so they make a very close comparison even though you hate to admit it.
Not even close....Flex owns him
Year Competition Placing
1989 California Championships Light heavyweight, 1st
1989 Nationals Light heavyweight, 5th
1990 Junior Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1991 Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1992 USA Championships Heavyweight & Overall, 1st
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1993 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1993 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1995 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1995 South Beach Pro 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia 8th
1995 Grand Prix Spain 5th
1996 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1996 Night of Champions 1st
1996 Canada Pro Classic 2nd
1996 Florida Cup Pro 1st
1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
1997 Ironman Pro 1st
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro 1st
1998 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1999 Grand Prix England 2nd
1999 Pro World 2nd
1999 Mr. Olympia 2nd
2000 Mr. Olympia 3rd
2000 Hungarian Grand Prix 1st
2000 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
2000 Ironman Pro Invitational 2nd
2002 Mr. Olympia 7th
Nasser
1990 Grand Prix Finland 8th
1993 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France 3rd
1994 Night of Champions 2nd
1994 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Night of Champions 1st
1995 Houston Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1995 Grand Prix France 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England 4th
1996 Mr. Olympia Disqualified
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 1st
1996 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Russia 1st
1996 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1996 Grand Prix England 2nd
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro Invitational 2nd
1997 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Spain 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Hungary 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Finland 4th
1997 Grand Prix England 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 3rd
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 3rd
1999 Mr. Olympia 6th
1999 Pro World 6th
1999 Grand Prix England 6th
2000 Mr. Olympia 5th
2001 Mr. Olympia 9th
2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 10th
2002 Mr. Olympia 15th
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And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. and if Dorian never tore a muscle he's be 10x MR O.
"IF".....LOL
Yeah, I was responding with the same logic to Kiwiol's "IF" post about Kevin and Ronnie, and looks like he made another one afterwards lol, which isn't even true either.
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Not even close....Flex owns him
Thanks forr proving my point - lots of 1st 2nds and 3rds in both lists.
Nasser beat him in some shows and Wheeler beat him in other shows, and often when Wheeler beat him he was just one place behind (ex. 96 AC, 97 AC, 98 Olympia). So whether you like it or not it is a very fair comparison. After all, judges obviously comparerd them in call-outs, so who are you to say they was no comparison? lol
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Never claimed he won those, just that he shows his size difference and I disagree with the judges' opinions. So your point is irrelevent yet again
No my point isn't ' irrelevent ' ( sic ) the point is any weight advantage of width advantage you claim means nothing when all things are considered because Nasser lost to a lighter guy with less width
and of course you disagree with the judges because you're ignorant and biased and think Nasser is better than he really was , facts aren't your friend Bobs
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How about King Kamali guys?
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/big/2005arnoldmen157.jpg)
Guys, come on.
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No my point isn't ' irrelevent ' ( sic ) the point is any weight advantage of width advantage you claim means nothing when all things are considered because Nasser lost to a lighter guy with less width
and of course you disagree with the judges because you're ignorant and biased and think Nasser is better than he really was , facts aren't your friend Bobs
Nasser shows his weight advantage in some poses and angles over Wheeler, and not in others. Point still remains.
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Yeah, I was responding with the same logic to Kiwiol's "IF" post about Kevin and Ronnie, and looks like he made another one afterwards lol, which isn't even true either.
What is true is that an in shape K Lo, Flex, Ronnie and Dorian can't be beaten by guys like Shawn or Nasser.
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they were neck to neck in many shows (and Nasser beat him in some too) - so they make a very close comparison even though you hate to admit it.
Ummmmm NO they don't , Flex is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders of the last 25 years and Nasser only beat him when he was way off , they are not close at all , Ronnie and Flex were close and Nasser isn't in that league
yes ' very close ' indeed ;D
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Ummmmm NO they don't , Flex is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders of the last 25 years and Nasser only beat him when he was way off , they are not close at all , Ronnie and Flex were close and Nasser isn't in that league
yes ' very close ' indeed ;D
Are you saying denial isn't a river in Egypt, ND?
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Nasser shows his weight advantage in some poses and angles over Wheeler, and not in others. Point still remains.
No the point doesn't remain , he's always been bigger than most guys he competed with and still lost most of the time , the weight advantage isn't really as much as an advantage as you think , some poses he does look bigger and he fucking should because he is lol
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Ummmmm NO they don't , Flex is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders of the last 25 years and Nasser only beat him when he was way off , they are not close at all , Ronnie and Flex were close and Nasser isn't in that league
yes ' very close ' indeed ;D
Yup.
Flex 5x arnold classic champ
Nasser won once....a GIFT because Flex wasn't in it that year, and Flex was in peak form then, he would have SMOKED him..as usual.
3rd best BBer behind Ronnie and Dorian in the last 20 years is flex wheeler. nasser doesn't make top ten
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Nope. He only beat Flex, Kevin and Ronnie when they weren't dialed in 100%. When they were, they beat him every time.
From the front, he was close to unbeatable in some poses, but you know how it is with the back poses :-\
Great post ! when these guys were on Nasser was relegated to second or even lower depending on who was competing
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What is true is that an in shape K Lo, Flex, Ronnie and Dorian can't be beaten by guys like Shawn or Nasser.
K-Lo was in shape several times when being beaten by Nasser. Nasser from 95 NOC to 99 Arnold Classic, and all shows in between, beat Levrone each time you can't tell me every time Levrone was not in shape during that large span - yes after 99 AC Nasser was not in top shape and lost to Levrone. He also beat Shawn in each of those shows with the exception of one - the 96 Olympia. Wheeler he beat a few times (and I'm not going to get into a 96 debate, he was many spots ahead of Wheeler and no way did look wheeler look better in 96). The argument can be made that Wheeler was not in top shape in 95-96. I agree the judges had a preference for Wheeler overe Nasser in most years.
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Are you saying denial isn't a river in Egypt, ND?
No it's a river in Canada as well and him and Hulkster have been drinking from it for years ;D
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Ummmmm NO they don't , Flex is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders of the last 25 years and Nasser only beat him when he was way off , they are not close at all , Ronnie and Flex were close and Nasser isn't in that league
yes ' very close ' indeed ;D
Again, showing Flex's strongest pose vs. Nasser's weakest - seems like you're taking notes from Hulkster. That show was 1st Wheeler and 2nd Nasser - regardless of what you say that's a close show. Doesn't get any closer than one spot apart.
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K-Lo was in shape several times when being beaten by Nasser. Nasser from 95 NOC to 99 Arnold Classic, and all shows in between, beat Levrone each time you can't tell me every time Levrone was not in shape during that large span - yes after 99 AC Nasser was not in top shape and lost to Levrone. He also beat Shawn in each of those shows with the exception of one - the 96 Olympia. Wheeler he beat a few times (and I'm not going to get into a 96 debate, he was many spots ahead of Wheeler and no way did look wheeler look better in 96). The argument can be made that Wheeler was not in top shape in 95-96. I agree the judges had a preference for Wheeler overe Nasser in most years.
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The judges didn't "have a preference" as you put it.......Flex was BETTER than him.
I think you would rather eat glass than actually admit that someone is just plain BETTER than Nasser. there always a bullshit "qualifier" attached
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Nasser from 95 NOC to 99 Arnold Classic, and all shows in between, beat Levrone each time
Wrong. Kevin beat Nasser in all the 97 Grand Prix shows and was in turn beaten by Ronnie in the Russian GP (Kevin was 2nd and Nasser was 3rd or 4th). Nasser was in his 97 Mr Olympia shape in all those contests, which was better than his 96 Olympia shape, where he was 10 lb heavier and blockier. But Kevin, Flex and even Ronnie never always came in at 100% for a lot of contests unlike Nasser or Dorian, which is why they lost so many.
Again, when everyone is 100%, Nasser can't / couldn't beat Flex or Kevin or Ronnie or Dorian. That's the cream of the crop.
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Wrong. Kevin beat Nasser in all the 97 Grand Prix shows and was in turn beaten by Ronnie in the Russian GP (Kevin was 2nd and Nasser was 3rd or 4th). Nasser was in his 97 Mr Olympia shape in all those contests, which was better than his 96 Olympia shape, where he was 10 lb heavier and blockier.
Again, when everyone is 100%, Nasser can't / couldn't beat Flex or Kevin or Ronnie or Dorian. That's the cream of the crop.
You're right I forgot about 97 GP. All other shows in that four year span of Nasser's best, Kevin lost, AND Nasser was not at his best at the 97 GP obviously. When Nasser was at his best Levrone could never beat him.
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Again, showing Flex's strongest pose vs. Nasser's weakest - seems like you're taking notes from Hulkster. That show was 1st Wheeler and 2nd Nasser - regardless of what you say that's a close show. Doesn't get any closer than one spot apart.
Oh so what you're saying is it's not very close just in some poses , gotcha ;D
just because Nasser was second doesn't mean he was close and looking at that pic HOLY COW he wasn't and allow me to teach you the difference between a close contest like 1998 Olympia where the final score was just 3 points which is a real close contest and a contest where it was night and day like 1993 where Samir said Dorian was first second and third
just because Nasser finished second doesn't mean he was breathing all over Flex , I'm not sure of the final score if this contest but I'm confident it wasn't close on paper or reality
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You're right I forgot about 97 GP. All other shows in that spam though Kevin lost, AND Nasser was not at his best at the 97 GP obviously. When Nasser was at his best Levrone could never beat him.
Actually, when they were both at their best, Nasser couldn't beat Kevin. Then again, only Dorian, Flex and Ronnie could beat Kevin at his very best.
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Wrong. Kevin beat Nasser in all the 97 Grand Prix shows and was in turn beaten by Ronnie in the Russian GP (Kevin was 2nd and Nasser was 3rd or 4th). Nasser was in his 97 Mr Olympia shape in all those contests, which was better than his 96 Olympia shape, where he was 10 lb heavier and blockier. But Kevin, Flex and even Ronnie never always came in at 100% for a lot of contests unlike Nasser or Dorian, which is why they lost so many.
Again, when everyone is 100%, Nasser can't / couldn't beat Flex or Kevin or Ronnie or Dorian. That's the cream of the crop.
textbook second tier bodybuilder
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Oh so what you're saying is it's not very close just in some poses , gotcha ;D
just because Nasser was second doesn't mean he was close and looking at that pic HOLY COW he wasn't and allow me to teach you the difference between a close contest like 1998 Olympia where the final score was just 3 points which is a real close contest and a contest where it was night and day like 1993 where Samir said Dorian was first second and third
just because Nasser finished second doesn't mean he was breathing all over Flex , I'm not sure of the final score if this contest but I'm confident it wasn't close on paper or reality
Close in some poses, Nasser beats Wheeler in some, and the only one Wheeler beat him in was the RDB - and "coincidentally" that is the ONLY pose you post lol just to make it seem like the difference is bigger than it was. Groink posted as though there is no comparison, and when the difference is only one place in many shows there definitely is a comparison. That's all I'm saying.
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Actually, when they were both at their best, Nasser couldn't beat Kevin. Then again, only Dorian, Flex and Ronnie could beat Kevin at his very best.
Let me amend my statement Nasser is now a third tier bodybuilder ;D
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Close in some poses, Nasser beats Wheeler in some, and the only one Wheeler beat him in was the RDB - and "coincidentally" that is the ONLY pose you post lol just to make it seem like the difference is bigger than it was. Groink posted as though there is no comparison, and when the difference is only one place in many shows there definitely is a comparison. That's all I'm saying.
No comparison:
Nasser 6 victories...one Arnold, one Olympia runner up
Flex 13 victories FIVE Arnolds, Three Olympia runner-ups
80% of Nasser's wins were grand prix shows....Flex won BIG shows
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Close in some poses, Nasser beats Wheeler in some, and the only one Wheeler beat him in was the RDB - and "coincidentally" that is the ONLY pose you post lol just to make it seem like the difference is bigger than it was. Groink posted as though there is no comparison, and when the difference is only one place in many shows there definitely is a comparison. That's all I'm saying.
So now you're forced to amend your original statement ( a common theme with you ) I agree in some poses Nasser clearly wins , ab-thigh against a career best Flex Nasser takes it really is a show stopper , in fact Nasser beats just about everyone in this pose except Dorian Yates , but the other poses Flex clearly beats him when ALL things are considered and you have to grasp that concept ALL things , Nasser may have an advantage in parts of the criteria in a few poses but you have to factor in the whole package and that's Flex and that's why be consistently beat Nasser
At their respective best with the exception of the ab-thigh , Flex leaves Nasser for dead , Flex really is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders the world has ever seen and I'm sorry as much as you'd like Nasser to breathe that rarefied air he doesn't
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No comparison:
Nasser 6 victories...one Arnold, one Olympia runner up
Flex 13 victories FIVE Arnolds, Three Olympia runner-ups
When you are apart with only one placing in some shows, and win some and lose others, are frequently in call-outs together - it IS a close comparison.
Far comparison would be to compare two bb's who were never close in placings for many years.
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No comparison:
Nasser 6 victories...one Arnold, one Olympia runner up
Flex 13 victories FIVE Arnolds, Three Olympia runner-ups
You're forgetting Nasser's 3 Olympia titles.
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No comparison:
Nasser 6 victories...one Arnold, one Olympia runner up
Flex 13 victories FIVE Arnolds, Three Olympia runner-ups
80% of Nasser's wins were grand prix shows....Flex won BIG shows
lol the GP's are not big shows ::) Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's
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Let me amend my statement Nasser is now a third tier bodybuilder ;D
Groink, dr.chimps, you and me aren't going to be in Bobs' Christmas list at this rate ;D
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So now you're forced to amend your original statement ( a common theme with you ) I agree in some poses Nasser clearly wins , ab-thigh against a career best Flex Nasser takes it really is a show stopper , in fact Nasser beats just about everyone in this pose except Dorian Yates , but the other poses Flex clearly beats him when ALL things are considered and you have to grasp that concept ALL things , Nasser may have an advantage in parts of the criteria in a few poses but you have to factor in the whole package and that's Flex and that's why be consistently beat Nasser
At their respective best with the exception of the ab-thigh , Flex leaves Nasser for dead , Flex really is one of the most exceptional bodybuilders the world has ever seen and I'm sorry as much as you'd like Nasser to breathe that rarefied air he doesn't
How can you say that Wheeler wins all of front relaxed, front lat spread, front double bi, side tricep, etc.? ::) Even rear spread Wheeler was narrow.
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lol the GP's are not big shows ::) Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's
The GP were NOT big shows they were after-thoughts
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lol the GP's are not big shows ::) Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's
The grand prixs were a quick circuit of shows the O guys did while they were still in shape...not everyone entered them, and not everyone stayed in shape for them either. NOBODY trained specifically for the "Belgian GP" ;)
PS....they are gone. Last time I checked the Arnold is the no. 2 show in the world
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Groink, dr.chimps, you and me aren't going to be in Bobs' Christmas list at this rate ;D
haha, no that's not the case, I dont the debate of men in thongs personally, if you're not on my Christmas list it's just because I dont celebrate Christmas ;)
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How can you say that Wheeler wins all of front relaxed, front lat spread, front double bi, side tricep, etc.? ::) Even rear spread Wheeler was narrow.
And yet he did win these poses directly compared to Nasser many times ever wonder why? you're vision is to narrow
wow Flex was narrow ::) and Nasser had no back yet he managed to win contests , all things must be considered
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lol the GP's are not big shows ::) Even though Mr. Olympia frequently competes in them as well as most top 6's
Bobs, you've said a lot of funny things over the years but this one probably gave me the biggest laugh......The Grand Prixs HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Bobs, you've said a lot of funny things over the years but this one probably gave me the biggest laugh......The Grand Prixs HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOLOLOL...that was funny wasn't it ? ;D
The Grand Prixs were guest posing that just happened to be judged...whoever managed to stay in the best shape after the O won.
MAJOR shows........HAHAHAHAAHA AHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not even close....Flex owns him
Year Competition Placing
1989 California Championships Light heavyweight, 1st
1989 Nationals Light heavyweight, 5th
1990 Junior Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1991 Nationals Heavyweight, 2nd
1992 USA Championships Heavyweight & Overall, 1st
1993 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1993 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1993 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1995 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1995 South Beach Pro 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia 8th
1995 Grand Prix Spain 5th
1996 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1996 Night of Champions 1st
1996 Canada Pro Classic 2nd
1996 Florida Cup Pro 1st
1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
1997 Ironman Pro 1st
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro 1st
1998 Ironman Pro Invitational 1st
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1999 Grand Prix England 2nd
1999 Pro World 2nd
1999 Mr. Olympia 2nd
2000 Mr. Olympia 3rd
2000 Hungarian Grand Prix 1st
2000 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
2000 Ironman Pro Invitational 2nd
2002 Mr. Olympia 7th
Nasser
1990 Grand Prix Finland 8th
1993 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1993 Grand Prix France 3rd
1994 Night of Champions 2nd
1994 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Mr. Olympia 7th
1995 Night of Champions 1st
1995 Houston Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Grand Prix Ukraine 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1995 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1995 Grand Prix France 3rd
1995 Grand Prix England 4th
1996 Mr. Olympia Disqualified
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 1st
1996 Grand Prix Spain 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Russia 1st
1996 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1996 Grand Prix England 2nd
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
1997 San Jose Pro Invitational 2nd
1997 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Spain 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Russia 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Hungary 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Finland 4th
1997 Grand Prix England 3rd
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 3rd
1997 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 2nd
1998 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1998 Mr. Olympia 3rd
1999 Mr. Olympia 6th
1999 Pro World 6th
1999 Grand Prix England 6th
2000 Mr. Olympia 5th
2001 Mr. Olympia 9th
2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 10th
2002 Mr. Olympia 15th
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hey....I just copied the shit ;D
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LOLOLOL...that was funny wasn't it ? ;D
The Grand Prixs were guest posing that just happened to be judged...whoever managed to stay in the best shape after the O won.
MAJOR shows........HAHAHAHAAHA AHAAHAHAAHAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When Kiwiol uses the Grand Prix example it is a major show? ::)
By major show i mean no show which has Mr. Olympia competiing as well as most of the top 6 is "minor." Minor shoes = stuff like the Ironman, Montreal pro show, etc.
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Team nasser is a big joke of delusional people or just stupid people....
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103123.0;attach=318098;image)
Nasser best year was 96 or 97 and he only won 1 AC in 99 not in his top best ever nasser shape and you compare him to the 4 time AC winner wtf people are you so blinded by his manties?
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How can you argue Flex's 5 AC's? Speaks for itself
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The thread title is not "who won the most # of AC's"
If the answer to every discussion was the # of contest winnings there would not be a single bodybuilding debate on GB.
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The thread title is not "who won the most # of AC's"
If the answer to every discussion was the # of contest winnings there would not be a single bodybuilding debate on GB.
It factors in in the grand scheme of things its part of the reason Ronnie is considered the greatest bodybuilder of all-time
even if just gauging 93 VS 99 Flex wins , Flex would win , he's in a whole other league than Nasser
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When Kiwiol uses the Grand Prix example it is a major show? ::)
By major show i mean no show which has Mr. Olympia competiing as well as most of the top 6 is "minor." Minor shoes = stuff like the Ironman, Montreal pro show, etc.
NO...I don't. No one diets and trains specifically to win a GP show....they don't even exist anymore. The GP's were Glorified guest posings that gave the O guys a chance to win some money while they were still in decent shape. I'm not saying they aren't legit wins...they are.
Shows like the Ironman and Night of champions were second tier shows....but they were shows that guys targeted on the calender to win.
No one EVER said....."I want to dial it in for the English Grand Prix"
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NO...I don't. No one diets and trains specifically to win a GP show....they don't even exist anymore. The GP's were Glorified guest posings that gave the O guys a chance to win some money while they were still in decent shape. I'm not saying they aren't legit wins...they are.
Shows like the Ironman and Night of champions were second tier shows....but they were shows that guys targeted on the calender to win.
No one EVER said....."I want to dial it in for the English Grand Prix"
top 6 at the GP shows > the top 6 at an Ironman, even though most are past their peak from the O. More competitive and bigger names, that's what I meant. Seems like a play of semantics.
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top 6 at the GP shows > the top 6 at an Ironman, even though most are past their peak from the O. More competitive and bigger names, that's what I meant. Seems like a play of semantics.
I see it one way, you see it another...cool by me.
I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating
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I see it one way, you see it another...cool by me.
I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating
me too, not sure how Hulkster and ND have the stamina to go for tens/hundrerds/thousands of pages ;D
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me too, not sure how Hulkster and ND have the stamina to go for tens/hundrerds/thousands of pages ;D
Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby ;)
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I'm getting a bit tired lately of the endless, circular debating
It's crazy. Look at ND and Hulkster, they have the exact argument over and over again. Same pictures, same retorts , same insults. No one ever budges an inch or changes the other guy's mind. A total waste of life.
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Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby ;)
One man's correction is another man's error.
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Because I enjoy correcting people , it's a hobby ;)
ND, I'm curious, who would you rate as the top 10 bodybuilders (1 to 10) of the 90s?
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Honest question ND - you've concluded in this thread that Wheeler AC 93 beats Coleman AC 01. You also haven't given a conclusive opinion on which wins between Yates 93 (his best) and Coleman 01 (which you feel is Coleman's best). What does that say about your opinion on Wheeler AC 93 vs. Yates O 93.
Seems pretty hard to still argue that this doesn't imply Wheeler at his best would beat Yates at his best.
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One man's correction is another man's error.
yeah sure and Nasser won the Olympia three times , I deal in facts you deal in delusion and cries of racism and politics and excuses
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Honest question ND - you've concluded in this thread that Wheeler AC 93 beats Coleman AC 01. You also haven't given a conclusive opinion on which wins between Yates 93 (his best) and Coleman 01 (which you feel is Coleman's best). What does that say about your opinion on Wheeler AC 93 vs. Yates O 93.
Seems pretty hard to still argue that this doesn't imply Wheeler at his best would beat Yates at his best.
I think I answered this , Flex at his best could beat Dorian at his same with Ronnie 01 I think it would be extremely close but both of them could do it , and Nasser at his absolute best couldn't beat any of them
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yeah sure and Nasser won the Olympia three times , I deal in facts you deal in delusion and cries of racism and politics and excuses
Deserved to win three times (at least) is the opinion ;) Never said he won them that cant be argued. And the opinion can not be changed, just like you and Hulkster's.
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I think I answered this , Flex at his best could beat Dorian at his same with Ronnie 01 I think it would be extremely close but both of them could do it , and Nasser at his absolute best couldn't beat any of them
I don't mean who "could" beat who, because that can go both ways. Which individual do you think would beat the other out of Wheeler and Yates. Don't dodge the question, you just stated here that you felt Wheeler 93 was better than Ronnie 01 you didn't use the phrase "could have beaten"
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Deserved to win three times (at least) is the opinion ;) Never said he won them that cant be argued. And the opinion can not be changed, just like you and Hulkster's.
No in fact you guys have claimed he did win NOT he should have , deserved to or probably won , you in fact said he did , just like he placed third in 96 when he did not
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No in fact you guys have claimed he did win NOT he should have , deserved to or probably won , you in fact said he did , just like he placed third in 96 when he did not
there you go arguing semantics again, i obviously did not mean he "won" them because I know the final placings.
Someone who thinks Jay Cutler should have won in 2001 may say "Jay won in 2001" - doesnt mean he thinks he took the trophy home, just means he deserved to.
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1998 ASC you'd never know Flex is 40+ pounds lighter than Nasser ;)
true, but a lot of that was oil that year.
oil weighs less than muscle.
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ND, I'm curious, who would you rate as the top 10 bodybuilders (1 to 10) of the 90s?
It's next to impossible to place them in an order although I think Dorian could beat them all but the 10 best in no order would be
Haney , Yates , Flex , Ronnie , Levrone , Labrada , Taylor , Ray , Francios , Nasser , could change out a guy or two but these were the best of the 90s
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interesting comparison of two of the best back double bi's ever at their arguable respective bests:
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there you go arguing semantics again, i obviously did not mean he "won" them because I know the final placings.
Someone who thinks Jay Cutler should have won in 2001 may say "Jay won in 2001" - doesnt mean he thinks he took the trophy home, just means he deserved to.
Duh no kidding ::) you claim he won and they prevented him from doing so which is sad , politics and racism it's such a pathetic plea it's so people who can't accept the truth he simple wasn't good enough
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Duh no kidding ::) you claim he won and they prevented him from doing so which is sad , politics and racism it's such a pathetic plea it's so people who can't accept the truth he simple wasn't good enough
Practically every contest has some decisions which are questioned. You're the one of the only few naive one who thinks there are no such biases in judging.
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interesting comparison of two of the best back double bi's ever at their arguable respective bests:
As much as I like Flex I think Ronnie wins this pose
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I don't mean who "could" beat who, because that can go both ways. Which individual do you think would beat the other out of Wheeler and Yates. Don't dodge the question, you just stated here that you felt Wheeler 93 was better than Ronnie 01 you didn't use the phrase "could have beaten"
I think the criteria favors Dorian so Dorian would win
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I think the criteria favors Dorian so Dorian would win
So Wheeler 93 > Ronnie 01. Yates 93 does not beat Ronnie 01 (may, may not). But Yates 93 > Wheeler 93? Doesnt make sense.
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So Wheeler 93 > Ronnie 01. Yates 93 does not beat Ronnie 01 (may, may not). But Yates 93 > Wheeler 93? Doesnt make sense.
Look at three are a toss up and I think any of them could beat each other but I think Dorian at his best could beat both Flex & Ronnie at their best , I think the criteria clearly favor's his physique
so Dorian 1993/1995 beats Flex 93 and Ronnie 01 in my opinion
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Practically every contest has some decisions which are questioned. You're the one of the only few naive one who thinks there are no such biases in judging.
Questioned by whom? the losers and their fans? that's not proof of anything
I know there are biases in the judging it's for the criteria and the physique it favors , you can't accept the fact your hero wasn't as good as you fluffed him up to be
I deal in facts
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Look at three are a toss up and I think any of them could beat each other but I think Dorian at his best could beat both Flex & Ronnie at their best , I think the criteria clearly favor's his physique
so Dorian 1993/1995 beats Flex 93 and Ronnie 01 in my opinion
doesn't look like a "toss up" when you first post was in favour of Flex overe Ronnie AC (which you have said many times was his best)and your words were:
By far
So Wheeler 93 is "by far" better than Coleman 01, and Coleman 01 and Yates 93 are a "tossup" and now you're saying Wheeler vs Coleman is also a tossup lol stop contradicting yourself
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doesn't look like a "toss up" when you first post was in favour of Flex overe Ronnie AC (which you have said many times was his best)and your words were:
So Wheeler 93 is "by far" better than Coleman 01, and Coleman 01 and Yates 93 are a "tossup" and now you're saying Wheeler vs Colma si also a tossup lol stop contradicting yourself
That was to generate interest and guess what ;) this thread was designed for one purpose and I proved my point.
I'm telling you now if Flex , Ronnie and Dorian all entered a contest at their bests , Dorian would beat them all because the criteria favor's his physique but I'm willing to concede either Flex or Ronnie are good enough to beat Dorian either way it would be close
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That was to generate interest and guess what ;) this thread was designed for one purpose and I proved my point.
*yawn* all you proved is that you contradict yourself and can not admit it, bye bye credibility
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*yawn* all you proved is that you contradict yourself and can not admit it, bye bye credibility
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA my GetBig credibility is gone lmfao Hulkster claimed this years ago you're in good company
Flex , Ronnie and Dorian at their bests could beat each other and Nasser at his best couldn't beat ANY of them ;)
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Relax guys it's just men in thongs :D.
Relax?
RELAX?!
Men in thongs is serious buziness, sir.
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By far
No doubt about it. '93 Flex owns everyone on the ASC stage.
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Wheeler was so overrated.
hell cormier is just as good.
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interesting comparison of two of the best back double bi's ever at their arguable respective bests:
I think Ronnie takes this pose....Flex has slightly better lines and a bit more detail in the mid and upper back as well as arms......but IMO Ronnie carries a LOT more muscle and is much drier in the lower body. also Ronnie has very good shape himself......it's just that nobody is going to beat flex Wheeler on shape
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=364602;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=364603;image)
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Here Team Nasser, I'll help you out and post a pic of Nasser when he looked pretty good. Still can't beat Flex though
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103123.0;attach=360723;image)
perfect physique right there :o
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Wheeler was so overrated.
hell cormier is just as good.
Flex was Venus, Chris was Serena!
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(http://www.joe0.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Nasser-El-Sonbaty-2.jpg)
You gotta admit - seeing a guy that big - in that attire... well... let's just say you'd leave the soap on the floor...
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Flex Magazines top 5 Arnold winners...
1. Ronnie Coleman (2001)
Of his eight Olympia and overall 26 IFBB professional wins, Ronnie Coleman has established himself as arguably the greatest bodybuilder of all times, and this is the version of his physique is the one most experts point to as being his best. Standing 5′11″ and weighing 247 pounds, Coleman was hyper-muscular, tight, dry and still retained the lines (wasp waist and all) of his amateur days. From head to toe, back to front, he astounded judges, audience and fellow competitors alike. The 2001 AC Coleman was a physique for the ages.
It's hard to go against Flex when you see those pics but I've heard from people that saw the show that Labrada was wider than Flex proportion wise and at 216 he would have a hard time beating a shredded Ronnie at 247.
If bodybuilding is a pure art form then flex should win.
If bodybuilding is a mixture of art, sport, shock and awe, freakshow; then Ronnie should win.
This dude knows how to write some compelling shit......thanks for sharing that.......
yeh, love flex, but the way this ddue puts it, Ronnie is King.....that physique was incredible
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maybe he is the greatest that one the Arnold, but could never close the deal on the Big Show... Mr. Olympia.. ::)
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francois -95.
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And if my grandmother had balls she'd be my grandfather. and if Dorian never tore a muscle he's be 10x MR O.
"IF".....LOL
and if you had a decent chest you would have posted a new pic. of it to shut up all those who see your chest droopy from the only topless pic. you posted :-X
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lol so according to mr. expert ND nasser didnt look bigger than flex from the side!!.. ok does this mean flex was dwarfing yates from the side as nasser was!!..
no wonder ND is the same "expert" who said that nasser's structure was not built to be a mass monster ::)
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Would you guess these two guys both weigh the same here?! :o
but dont forget that one of them was pregnant in a baby elephant!!..
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but dont forget that one of them was pregnant in a baby elephant!!..
yeah, its a shame nasser made such a fuckin mess of himself with the distended gut and bodyparts bursting with oil
.....and being born without a back
kill yourself f@ggot.....nobody wants you here
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yeah, its a shame nasser made such a fuckin mess of himself with the distended gut and bodyparts bursting with oil
.....and being born without a back
kill yourself f@ggot.....nobody wants you here
and what about yates on that day with his deformed whole left arm, bloated belly, undetailed quads, unproportioned physique with his back oversizing the rest of his upper body and his calves too big for his upper legs and his bloated torso clearly oversizing his tiny arms and the lack of symmetry between his deformed left arm and his right arm which was another weak point by its own as it was relatively very small (smaller than lee priest's arm).. :-\
go and fuck yourself asshole but i dont care if you are here or not because ppl like you are "nothing" for me :-X
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and what about yates on that day with his deformed whole left arm, bloated belly, undetailed quads, unproportioned physique with his back oversizing the rest of his upper body and his calves too big for his upper legs and his bloated torso clearly oversizing his tiny arms and the lack of symmetry between his deformed left arm and his right arm which was another weak point by its own as it was relatively very small (smaller than lee priest's arm).. :-\
go and fuck yourself asshole but i dont care if you are here or not because ppl like you are "nothing" for me :-X
That was quite the meltdown...need a tissue?
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lol so according to mr. expert ND nasser didnt look bigger than flex from the side!!.. ok does this mean flex was dwarfing yates from the side as nasser was!!..
no wonder ND is the same "expert" who said that nasser's structure was not built to be a mass monster ::)
He's not even doing the pose correctly ;)
and two things Mr Moron , One I never claimed to be an ' expert ' you keep posting that in quotations as if it's my phrase and Two I never once said Nasser's structure wasn't built to be a mass monster , you keep repeating this LIE after being corrected already
I did in fact say Nasser carried his size very good I said it didn't serve him ultimately because his conditioning and back suffered for trying to be the biggest he could be trying to outmuscle Yates thinking if he could get bigger he would beat him
So do yourself a favor stop believing the lies you keep typing
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and what about yates on that day with his deformed whole left arm, bloated belly, undetailed quads, unproportioned physique with his back oversizing the rest of his upper body and his calves too big for his upper legs and his bloated torso clearly oversizing his tiny arms and the lack of symmetry between his deformed left arm and his right arm which was another weak point by its own as it was relatively very small (smaller than lee priest's arm).. :-\
go and fuck yourself asshole but i dont care if you are here or not because ppl like you are "nothing" for me :-X
Another Yates induced meltdown ;D
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(http://static.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2009/7/8/saupload_nuclear_bomb_badger350.jpg)
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yes, another yates induced meltown..problem is, it was induced by dorian's horrible flaws:
his deformed whole left arm, bloated belly, undetailed quads, unproportioned physique with his back oversizing the rest of his upper body and his calves too big for his upper legs and his bloated torso clearly oversizing his tiny arms and the lack of symmetry between his deformed left arm and his right arm which was another weak point by its own as it was relatively very small (smaller than lee priest's arm)..
like these...
::)
thats not a good thing for dorian or for ND..
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Let's just face it. The only reason Nasser has an Arnold title is because Wheeler and Coleman weren't there.
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Let's just face it. The only reason Nasser has an Arnold title is because Wheeler and Coleman weren't there.
I would agree.
no way could nasser stand up to a 93 Flex or AC Ronnie, assuming they showed up in that kind of shape of course.
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and what about yates on that day with his deformed whole left arm, bloated belly, undetailed quads, unproportioned physique with his back oversizing the rest of his upper body and his calves too big for his upper legs and his bloated torso clearly oversizing his tiny arms and the lack of symmetry between his deformed left arm and his right arm which was another weak point by its own as it was relatively very small (smaller than lee priest's arm).. :-\
go and fuck yourself asshole but i dont care if you are here or not because ppl like you are "nothing" for me :-X
According to Dorian's fans, he always had great balance and proportion. ::) :-X
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According to Dorian's fans, he always had great balance and proportion. ::) :-X
Hey do us all a favor and come back under your real account and post ;)
and no according to Dorian fans at his best Dorian had great balance & proportion so pay attention and stop rolling your eyes at a comment no one ever claimed ;)
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yes, another yates induced meltown..problem is, it was induced by dorian's horrible flaws:
like these...
::)
thats not a good thing for dorian or for ND..
No it was induced when Ronnie conceded on multiple occasions he wouldn't touch Yates ;) in your case
in theirs it's when their beloved hero couldn't beat a career worse Dorian ;) you're in good company with Team Crybaby you should ask to join
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Hey do us all a favor and come back under your real account and post ;)
and no according to Dorian fans at his best Dorian had great balance & proportion so pay attention and stop rolling your eyes at a comment no one ever claimed ;)
Wait a minute.....you think I'm Hulkster too right? ;D I'm not.
Dorian at his best had great balance and proportion (1993), but according to some of his die hard fans here his best was 1995 or 1996.
Dorian had good proportions on those years? I hope you're not like them and think so too.
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No it was induced when Ronnie conceded on multiple occasions he wouldn't touch Yates ;) in your case
in theirs it's when their beloved hero couldn't beat a career worse Dorian ;) you're in good company with Team Crybaby you should ask to join
Do you know that Dorian said the exact same thing about Ronnie beating him at his best too? ;)
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francois -95.
Too Blocky. He did beat a slightly off Flex, who was coming off of a broken neck injury. And it could have gone either way.
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its okay, all ND has is quotes because real life visuals have always shown dorian didn't come close to a peak Ronnie. no matter what ronnie, dorian, peter mcgough or santa claus said.
they were good enough to beat a 95 or 97 Ronnie but thats as far as dorian would have got:
oh, and this dorian 95/96 bullshit is just laughable:
93 was his best. after that it was all downhill, and downhill FAST:
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LMAO
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1998 ASC you'd never know Flex is 40+ pounds lighter than Nasser ;)
flex here is clearly closer to the camera and this is why you cant see his feet while you can see nasser's feet!!.. as always ND selects certain pics to confirm his wrong claims :-\
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Wait a minute.....you think I'm Hulkster too right? ;D I'm not.
Dorian at his best had great balance and proportion (1993), but according to some of his die hard fans here his best was 1995 or 1996.
Dorian had good proportions on those years? I hope you're not like them and think so too.
I never said Hulkster but you're a gimmick none-the-less to ;)
Dorian had outstanding balance & proportion in 1995 even with the torn-bicep , 1996 wasn't his best but in those GP screencaps he looks outstanding
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Do you know that Dorian said the exact same thing about Ronnie beating him at his best too? ;)
No he didn't in fact he said ' I don't know ' big difference ;)
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its okay, all ND has is quotes because real life visuals have always shown dorian didn't come close to a peak Ronnie. no matter what ronnie, dorian, peter mcgough or santa claus said.
they were good enough to beat a 95 or 97 Ronnie but thats as far as dorian would have got:
oh, and this dorian 95/96 bullshit is just laughable:
93 was his best. after that it was all downhill, and downhill FAST:
Yeah and Ronnie's best was 1999 ::) when ALL the experts say otherwise as does the real life visuals ;)
Dorian 1995 Mr Olympia would beat Ronnie 1999 and 2001 , bigger , harder , drier , better balance and a hell of a lot better poser ;)
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No he didn't in fact he said ' I don't know ' big difference
doesn't matter what he said. talk is cheap.
real life tells the story:
even dorian's self proclaimed 'best' (1995 according to him) falls far short of peak ronnie:
countdown to the excuses!!!
::)
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Yeah and Ronnie's best was 1999 when ALL the experts say otherwise as does the real life visuals
LOL so now the visuals show 99 wasn't his best?
when did you come up with this gem? ::)
show us, because everyone says the visuals show quite clearly that (with his monster gut) at the AC, it was NOT his best:
there are some links posted in the truce thread about the growing concensus that 99 was his best.
check it out. oh wait, thats right, you pussied out of that thread miserably because you couldn't take the embarassment. thats right.
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doesn't matter what he said. talk is cheap.
real life tells the story:
even dorian's self proclaimed 'best' (1995 according to him) falls far short of peak ronnie:
countdown to the excuses!!!
::)
lmfao most ironic thing you ever posted .....talk is cheap lmfao enough said internet-fanboy ;D
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I never said Hulkster but you're a gimmick none-the-less to ;)
Dorian had outstanding balance & proportion in 1995 even with the torn-bicep , 1996 wasn't his best but in those GP screencaps he looks outstanding
Its ok, I've been accused of being Hulkster before. That's why I posted that.
I'm a gimmick? Really? Why is that? Because my post count is low? Because I'm new here?
Or is it beacuse I think different than you and think Dorian did not have good proportions after 93? Or because I think Ronnie at his best would kill him? ::)
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LOL so now the visuals show 99 wasn't his best?
when did you come up with this gem? ::)
show us, because everyone says the visuals show quite clearly that (with his monster gut) at the AC, it was NOT his best:
there are some links posted in the truce thread about the growing concensus that 99 was his best.
check it out. oh wait, thats right, you pussied out of that thread miserably because you couldn't take the embarassment. thats right.
wow a growing consensus of internet-fanboys LMFAO your bragging that a bunch of idiots like you who were not at either contest and what they agree with? LMFAO you're worse off than I thought
I get your point though talk is cheap only when it's experts and when it's a bunch of ball-licking morons who were never at any contest nevermind the two in debate they are right , gotcha
thanks for playing ....that was easy ;D
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Its ok, I've been accused of being Hulkster before. That's why I posted that.
I'm a gimmick? Really? Why is that? Because my post count is low? Because I'm new here?
Or is it beacuse I think different than you and think Dorian did not have good proportions after 93? Or because I think Ronnie at his best would kill him? ::)
You're not ' new ' here so spare us the lame attempt it's insulting
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Yeah and Ronnie's best was 1999 ::) when ALL the experts say otherwise as does the real life visuals ;)
Dorian 1995 Mr Olympia would beat Ronnie 1999 and 2001 , bigger , harder , drier , better balance and a hell of a lot better poser ;)
In my opinion Ronnie's best was 1999, if your beloved "experts" think otherwise that is fine. Other than the "experts" there is a lot of people that think that Ronnie in 99 was best.
Ronnie in 1999 would beat any Dorian, whether 1993, 1995 or 1996.
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LOL so now the visuals show 99 wasn't his best?
when did you come up with this gem? ::)
show us, because everyone says the visuals show quite clearly that (with his monster gut) at the AC, it was NOT his best:
there are some links posted in the truce thread about the growing concensus that 99 was his best.
check it out. oh wait, thats right, you pussied out of that thread miserably because you couldn't take the embarassment. thats right.
Monster gut you say? ;D these are all 1999 now couple that with the FACT he was harder & drier in 01 it's no wonder the general consensus of experts agree 2001 is his best BY FAR
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In my opinion Ronnie's best was 1999, if your beloved "experts" think otherwise that is fine. Other than the "experts" there is a lot of people that think that Ronnie in 99 was best.
Ronnie in 1999 would beat any Dorian, whether 1993, 1995 or 1996.
I'm sure you were there for all of his contests and formed your opinion by first hand personal experience ;D
and Ronnie disagrees with you ;)
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Back to the topic at hand because fan-boys tried to hi-jack the thread
Flex was remarkable at his best
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Back to the topic at hand because fan-boys tried to hi-jack the thread
Flex was remarkable at his best
Thanks ND for getting this back to topic. Flex was incredible front and back he just came along at the wrong time for the Mr O's.
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Thanks ND for getting this back to topic. Flex was incredible front and back he just came along at the wrong time for the Mr O's.
Yeah he always competed in the spring shows and by the O his body was worn down , can't blame the guy he made a killing in the early contests and didn't do to bad in the late ones
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I'm sure you were there for all of his contests and formed your opinion by first hand personal experience ;D
and Ronnie disagrees with you ;)
No, I never had the opportunity to go to an IFBB contest before, since I live outside of the US. I formed my opinion on what I have available: videos and pics. Does fact that I was never there live make my opinion worthless? I think a good quality video gives a damn close idea of what the bodybuilder looked like on a particular contest, is there a magical difference on seeing them live?
I've been to local bodybuilding shows and even have seen 200 lbs bodybuilders up close and honestly there isn't a BIG difference as to when I saw their videos or pics.
As far as Ronnie saying that, he was just being "correct". He was being interviewed by a magazine, what was he going to say? I'm better?
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No, I never had the opportunity to go to an IFBB contest before, since I live outside of the US. I formed my opinion on what I have available: videos and pics. Does fact that I was never there live make my opinion worthless? I think a good quality video gives a damn close idea of what the bodybuilder looked like on a particular contest, is there a magical difference on seeing them live?
I've been to local bodybuilding shows and even have seen 200 lbs bodybuilders up close and honestly there isn't a BIG difference as to when I saw their videos or pics.
As far as Ronnie saying that, he was just being "correct". He was being interviewed by a magazine, what was he going to say? I'm better?
No, I never had the opportunity to go to an IFBB contest before, since I live outside of the US. I formed my opinion on what I have available: videos and pics. Does fact that I was never there live make my opinion worthless?
compared to me? NO compared to the experts who almost all agree YES
I've been to local bodybuilding shows and even have seen 200 lbs bodybuilders up close and honestly there isn't a BIG difference as to when I saw their videos or pics.
wow a local contest LMFAO it's gotta be just like the professionals ....next
As far as Ronnie saying that, he was just being "correct". He was being interviewed by a magazine, what was he going to say? I'm better?
Oh so you're officially Ronnie Coleman's spokesman now? you're gonna do the talking for him? if he said it once maybe , twice nope , three times he said the same thing , I'm sorry sport I know it pains you but that's how he feels and his opinion on the subject trumps yours
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wow a local contest LMFAO it's gotta be just like the professionals ....next
Oh so you're officially Ronnie Coleman's spokesman now? you're gonna do the talking for him? if he said it once maybe , twice nope , three times he said the same thing , I'm sorry sport I know it pains you but that's how he feels and his opinion on the subject trumps yours
I never said local contests are the same as professionals. I meant I have an idea of what a bodybuilder looks like live onstage.
It doesn't hurt me at all, I could care less what he says. Hell, I could care less that Dorian said Ronnie would beat him at his best.
As Hulkster posted before, visuals trump any quote.
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I think a good quality video gives a damn close idea of what the bodybuilder looked like on a particular contest, is there a magical difference on seeing them live?
of course there isn't..you will get a better idea of the fine details of a physique with a well done video as opposed to sitting 45 rows back behind some tall guy..
but when the nuthuggers see the proof that their quotes (ie opinions from other people) are in fact incorrect, they need to come up with something to discredit the visuals..
so they claim the visuals don't matter.
its silly, really.
::)
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
they wish this video didn't exist because it destroys everything they have.
it shows ronnie was at his best in 99
and it shows he was better than dorian ever was all at the same time.
so they freak out, call it faked etc etc.
::)
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I never said local contests are the same as professionals. I meant I have an idea of what a bodybuilder looks like live onstage.
It doesn't hurt me at all, I could care less what he says. Hell, I could care less that Dorian said Ronnie would beat him at his best.
As Hulkster posted before, visuals trump any quote.
It does kill you that Ronnie constantly says Dorian would beat him and Dorian never said Ronnie would beat him at his best , that's a lie in fact when posed with the question he said " I guess , I don't know it would be up to the judges ' he also said the day of the contest he would he better conditioned and better balanced what's left posing and size? Dorian may be down on size but he's a better poser to boot , hence the criteria favors his physique
LMFAO you're quoting Hulkster man you're desperate , the same guy who said Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian , Dorian should have lost in 1993 to Flex , Dorian's conditioning was a myth , Ronnie dominated in 01 by losing , I mean I can continue for a long , long time if you'd like?
being live and in person at all the said contests trumps ANY ignorant fanboy posting photoshopped screencaps who never went to a pro contest in his life , learn the difference
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As Hulkster posted before, visuals trump any quote.
exactly.
but ND and Co. are not smart enough to know this.
or, even if they do, they will never admit it..
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being live and in person at all the said contests trumps ANY ignorant fanboy posting photoshopped screencaps who never went to a pro contest in his life , learn the difference
just as I was saying, they make up bullshit to discredit the visuals because it destroys the quotes they have, which is the basis of their whole argument..
when you base your whole argument on someone elses opinion, and that opinion is shown to be incorrect based on the visuals, what do you have left?
nothing.
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http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
get some popcorn nuthuggers! :P
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exactly.
but ND and Co. are not smart enough to know this.
or, even if they do, they will never admit it..
You're agreeing with a gimmick LMFAO right up your alley of ignorance
recall you admitted I'm smart notice I never once said you were ;)
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its true I said you were smart once upon a time.
but then you not only became stupid, you turned into the biggest coward on getbig.
and ran away from the owning we gave you in the very thread you started.
pussy.
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just as I was saying, they make up bullshit to discredit the visuals because it destroys the quotes they have, which is the basis of their whole argument..
when you base your whole argument on someone elses opinion, and that opinion is shown to be incorrect based on the visuals, what do you have left?
nothing.
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http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
get some popcorn nuthuggers! :P
try sticking to the topic if you can ;)
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Wheeler 93
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its true I said you were smart once upon a time.
but then you not only became stupid, you turned into the biggest coward on getbig.
and ran away from the owning we gave you in the very thread you started.
pussy.
Oh poor baby , I kicked your ass senseless in a thread I created , outright defeated YOU using your own hero and now here we are in another thread you trying to prove Ronnie wrong ;D
You ran from Ronnie's words ;) and where am I in another thread shoving facts in your face rubbing your nose in your own shit
Ronnie Coleman admitted three separate occasions he could NOT beat Dorian Yates , this my stupid little friend ends anything you can't type ever , case closed...check mate all that is left is bitter crybabies who can't move on and type about anything else
run along and stick to the topic if you can fanboy ;)
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It does kill you that Ronnie constantly says Dorian would beat him and Dorian never said Ronnie would beat him at his best , that's a lie in fact when posed with the question he said " I guess , I don't know it would be up to the judges ' he also said the day of the contest he would he better conditioned and better balanced what's left posing and size? Dorian may be down on size but he's a better poser to boot , hence the criteria favors his physique
It really doesn't, I could care less. Maybe Ronnie is a bit more humble than Dorian? Still, who cares about the quotes when visuals proof the opposite.
Dorian could be better conditioned than Ronnie, but not at Ronnie's best. By balance you mean how each muscle flows in size comparable to the rest? If so, then Dorian would not be more balanced than a peak Ronnie.
LMFAO you're quoting Hulkster man you're desperate , the same guy who said Ronnie has more detailed calves than Dorian , Dorian should have lost in 1993 to Flex , Dorian's conditioning was a myth , Ronnie dominated in 01 by losing , I mean I can continue for a long , long time if you'd like?
I didn't know Hulkster posted those things, I don't agree with them, but I do agree with Hulkster in one thing: Ronnie's best>Dorian's best.
being live and in person at all the said contests trumps ANY ignorant fanboy posting photoshopped screencaps who never went to a pro contest in his life , learn the difference
So, again as Hulkster said ;D being rows far from the stage give a better visual of a physique than a good quality video with the bb being filmed up close?
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Still, who cares about the quotes when visuals proof the opposite.
the nuthuggers do because they know the visuals prove their whole argument is bullshit... ::)
they need an angle to stay in the game otherwise they are done.
its all just a put on so they can continue to debate this stuff.
they know as well as we do that the visuals show ronnie was better than dorian. and that 99 was arguably his best ever form. hell, even McGough feels 99>98 (as per his article) and thats something they insist isn't true either.
you see, they use McGough quotes to their advantage when it suits them, but when it doesn't, they ignore it. its silly.
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of course there isn't..you will get a better idea of the fine details of a physique with a well done video as opposed to sitting 45 rows back behind some tall guy..
but when the nuthuggers see the proof that their quotes (ie opinions from other people) are in fact incorrect, they need to come up with something to discredit the visuals..
so they claim the visuals don't matter.
its silly, really.
::)
http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
they wish this video didn't exist because it destroys everything they have.
it shows ronnie was at his best in 99
and it shows he was better than dorian ever was all at the same time.
so they freak out, call it faked etc etc.
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As much as ND hates it, I agree with you 100%.
A good quality video is a great visual proof of a bodybuilder's physique. I mean a case could be made against pics, but a video is the closest you can get to seeing them live up close. (not 20 rows back)
How can they claim visuals don't matter, when bodybuilding is almost all visual? ???
Maybe ND and others have their own way of evaluating physiques, but I clearly see Ronnie in 99 as his best and better than Dorian at any time.
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How can they claim visuals don't matter, when bodybuilding is almost all visual?
because they have no clue how the sport works.
Maybe ND and others have their own way of evaluating physiques,
yeah, its called the wrong way...
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It really doesn't, I could care less. Maybe Ronnie is a bit more humble than Dorian? Still, who cares about the quotes when visuals proof the opposite.
Dorian could be better conditioned than Ronnie, but not at Ronnie's best. By balance you mean how each muscle flows in size comparable to the rest? If so, then Dorian would not be more balanced than a peak Ronnie.
Nonsense you couldn't careless if that were the case you wouldn't have made an attempt to speak for him which is exactly what you're trying to do now by claiming he's more humble without ever just talking what he says at face value , it bothers you he feels this way and it's exactly why you're making excuses
visual proof is the opposite to you , to me it confirms my point of view , you see what you want and hear what you want hence your interpretations of what Ronnie really meant
Dorian is better conditioned that Ronnie at his best confirmed by many first hand accounts which trumps you and Hulkster's interpretations of the ' visual proof ' and I'm not even going to bother responding to your claims because that's all they are , claims , no explanations , no elaborations , no details , just blanket statements you can't debate with that just expose the weakness of the position
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but I clearly see Ronnie in 99 as his best and better than Dorian at any time.
its okay. so does just about everyone else. see truce thread for many links documenting the opinions out there.
thats why the nuthuggers have tried to claim the 99 video is faked/enhanced/tampered with etc etc.
its been game over for them since day 1 after that vid was first posted..
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and I'm not even going to bother responding to your claims because that's all they are
of course you aren't going to respond, because you can't.
you know you can't refute them, the visuals prove them and you can't counter that.
so you run. typical ND.
you always run.
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the nuthuggers do because they know the visuals prove their whole argument is bullshit... ::)
they need an angle to stay in the game otherwise they are done.
its all just a put on so they can continue to debate this stuff.
they know as well as we do that the visuals show ronnie was better than dorian. and that 99 was arguably his best ever form. hell, even McGough feels 99>98 (as per his article) and thats something they insist isn't true either.
you see, they use McGough quotes to their advantage when it suits them, but when it doesn't, they ignore it. its silly.
the nuthuggers do because they know the visuals prove their whole argument is bullshit... ::)
Yes and the visuals lead you to the conclusion that Dorian lost the 1993 Mr Olympia to Flex , you are the problem right along ;D you can't form an opinion if you don't even know how contests are judged ;D and I have proven 100X over you don't have a clue
If you honestly felt Ronnie is better the Truce thread would have been 2 pages and you would have felt confident in knowing it's true , since Ronnie admitted the obvious , he couldn't touch Yates you have this compulsion to try and prove him wrong by spewing your same shit in every thread , hi-jacking , crying , bitching and moaning
I proved my point using your hero and moved on , try it sometime ;)
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of course you aren't going to respond, because you can't.
you know you can't refute them, the visuals prove them and you can't counter that.
so you run. typical ND.
you always run.
I could type exactly everything I proved you wrong on it's redundant , I owned you so badly here you are again hi-jacking a thread trying to prove me and Ronnie wrong ;D ;)
I proved my point and moved on , try it , oppppssssss you can't because Ronnie said he couldn't touch Yates because he was ' way advanced ' lmafo
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its okay. so does just about everyone else. see truce thread for many links documenting the opinions out there.
thats why the nuthuggers have tried to claim the 99 video is faked/enhanced/tampered with etc etc.
its been game over for them since day 1 after that vid was first posted..
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You don't believe that for one second which is exactly why you are here hi-jacking another thread , proving my point that you're a little bitch and I own you and now you follow me into every thread
It's been game over when Ronnie said for the third time he's not in Dorian's league ;) poor kid you never recovered and it was predicted :-\
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no ND, you didn't move on.
you gave up because you could never corroborate your typed words with any visuals in real life.
ever.
so you gave up.
you couldn't prove what you typed and you knew it. so you gave up.
its very simple.
I on the other hand, always could.
and thats the difference between us.
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no ND, you didn't move on.
you gave up because you could never corroborate your typed words with any visuals in real life.
ever.
so you gave up.
you couldn't prove what you typed and you knew it. so you gave up.
its very simple.
I on the other hand, always could.
and thats the difference between us.
Yes and you proved Dorian lost in 1993 LMMFAO
Hulkster you never recovered and we all knew once Ronnie admitted for the third time he couldn't touch Yates that you would melt and melt and melt
Ronnie ended you kinda of ironic huh? move on sport it's over
Now Flex vs Ronnie you might win LMFAO
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no need to melt when the visuals prove I am right, no matter what dorian, ronnie, santa, or the easter bunny says..
and lots and lots of people in the know agree.
too bad you are not one of them.
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I take it you guys don't agree
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no need to melt when the visuals prove I am right, no matter what dorian, ronnie, santa, or the easter bunny says..
and lots and lots of people in the know agree.
too bad you are not one of them.
yes people in the know agree Dorian lost in 1993 Gotcha ;)
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If i ever saw Nasser i would hook a bungee in his nose and hang him from a tree.
Then i would beat him like a pinata until all the synthol and steroids came out :D
Epic Irony ::) ::)
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I love how every time a new Flex article comes along about best physique or best back, it always disproves what ND says :D
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
ironic that he disagrees with the people who saw them live when the crux of his argument is "you have to see them in person"
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just as I was saying, they make up bullshit to discredit the visuals because it destroys the quotes they have, which is the basis of their whole argument..
when you base your whole argument on someone elses opinion, and that opinion is shown to be incorrect based on the visuals, what do you have left?
nothing.
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http://www.truveo.com/Ronnie-Coleman-1999-Mr-Olympia-Part-Two/id/1160132027
get some popcorn nuthuggers! :P
lmao what are you trying to prove with this video ronnie doesn't even look that impressive. deff not as good as 1998( esp back)
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its okay. so does just about everyone else. see truce thread for many links documenting the opinions out there.
thats why the nuthuggers have tried to claim the 99 video is faked/enhanced/tampered with etc etc.
its been game over for them since day 1 after that vid was first posted..
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lol your the only douche who could turn a flex asc thread and turn it into Dorian vs Ronnie, congrats you should get an award for biggest fan boy.
and your video sucks, Ronnie doesn't even look good there, he just has a slight edge over Chris and flex, which Dorian crushed every year.lol your few gay selective pics u use from the 99 o doesn't do you justice to your opinion of 99 being his greatest year, when you see in the video that he was not as conditioned as 98.
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I love how every time a new Flex article comes along about best physique or best back, it always disproves what ND says :D
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
ironic that he disagrees with the people who saw them live when the crux of his argument is "you have to see them in person"
damm hulkster must of made those lists :-X :-X :-X really voted best physique thats sad saggy nips, budda belly wtf are they smoking. like if anything flex shoulda won that esp his 1993 asc all around better physique, or shawn ray.
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I love how every time a new Flex article comes along about best physique or best back, it always disproves what ND says :D
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
ironic that he disagrees with the people who saw them live when the crux of his argument is "you have to see them in person"
Flex magazine sucks cock so you know. Yes if we all use the Weider Principles we can be huge! 16 week big guns program! I actually believed that shit when I was 18.
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lmao what are you trying to prove with this video ronnie doesn't even look that impressive. deff not as good as 1998( esp back)
LOL
this guy is new, but he fits right in with the delusional guy mentality :-X
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lol your the only douche who could turn a flex asc thread and turn it into Dorian vs Ronnie, congrats you should get an award for biggest fan boy.
and your video sucks, Ronnie doesn't even look good there, he just has a slight edge over Chris and flex, which Dorian crushed every year.lol your few gay selective pics u use from the 99 o doesn't do you justice to your opinion of 99 being his greatest year, when you see in the video that he was not as conditioned as 98.
Ronnie looks unbelievable in that video. He's destroying Flex and Cormier there. You're either trying to be an asshole or blind. Maybe both.
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will our suffering ever be over - another hi-jacking in progress :-\
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will our suffering ever be over - another hi-jacking in progress :-\
Flex was the best AC winner. Period. Hands down. Wish he won over Levrone in 1996 >:(
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Nonsense you couldn't careless if that were the case you wouldn't have made an attempt to speak for him which is exactly what you're trying to do now by claiming he's more humble without ever just talking what he says at face value , it bothers you he feels this way and it's exactly why you're making excuses
visual proof is the opposite to you , to me it confirms my point of view , you see what you want and hear what you want hence your interpretations of what Ronnie really meant
Dorian is better conditioned that Ronnie at his best confirmed by many first hand accounts which trumps you and Hulkster's interpretations of the ' visual proof ' and I'm not even going to bother responding to your claims because that's all they are , claims , no explanations , no elaborations , no details , just blanket statements you can't debate with that just expose the weakness of the position
Ok ND, I care.... ::)
I don't see visual proof as I want to see or hear what I want do hear. I call it like I see it and I see Ronnie in 1999 as being too much for any Dorian. Almost everyone here, except the die hard Yates, see that too.
I'm not even a big Ronnie fan anyway, so I wouldn't be biased. I just think that in the 1998-2001 period and especially 1999 he was just too dominating, too good for anyone. Dorian, Nasser, Cutler, Kai, anyone.
I could explain and elaborate as why I see Ronnie better than Dorian, but I already did it in the truce thread. I don't want to write all of that again. :P
Seriously ND, do you think you're "owning" Hulkster? Do you think you're owning someone......on a message board? :-\
These are just simple debates and discussions here.
Sorry everyone else for hijacking the thread ;D
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Ronnie looks unbelievable in that video. He's destroying Flex and Cormier there. You're either trying to be an asshole or blind. Maybe both.
Beefcakeblake is just a Dorian die hard fan and clearly biased. He even wrote that Ronnie looked like "lumps of wet dog shit slabbed on to his body", so you can clearly see that.
And yes, Ronnie destroyed everyone in 1999. I'm saying that being a huge Shawn Ray fan, so I'm not biased.
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Some pretty new arguments and photos in the later part of this thread ::)
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Some pretty new arguments and photos in the later part of this thread ::)
i am sure ND created this thread only to have some more argument mainly with hulkster and also with team nasser since both ronnie and nasser had won the AC ;D
and as always he used CERTAIN shots to confirm his WRONG claims like claiming that nasser didnt look much bigger than flex from the side with that pic. of nasser and flex doing the SC at the AC 98 where flex was clearly closer to the camera ::)
wow i just noticed the words under your avatar ;D.. i met them 2 times so far and they will visit me in my home soon!!..
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I love how every time a new Flex article comes along about best physique or best back, it always disproves what ND says :D
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
ironic that he disagrees with the people who saw them live when the crux of his argument is "you have to see them in person"
Right on cue as predicted ;D all the puppies followed their master just as predicted , thanks for proving my point. ;)
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Ok ND, I care.... ::)
I don't see visual proof as I want to see or hear what I want do hear. I call it like I see it and I see Ronnie in 1999 as being too much for any Dorian. Almost everyone here, except the die hard Yates, see that too.
I'm not even a big Ronnie fan anyway, so I wouldn't be biased. I just think that in the 1998-2001 period and especially 1999 he was just too dominating, too good for anyone. Dorian, Nasser, Cutler, Kai, anyone.
I could explain and elaborate as why I see Ronnie better than Dorian, but I already did it in the truce thread. I don't want to write all of that again. :P
Seriously ND, do you think you're "owning" Hulkster? Do you think you're owning someone......on a message board? :-\
These are just simple debates and discussions here.
Sorry everyone else for hijacking the thread ;D
Thanks for proving my point ;)
and Hulkster owns himself every time he posts I just walk him down the path and expose his stupidity
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Some pretty new arguments and photos in the later part of this thread ::)
I thought we were bad ;D
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Flex was the best AC winner. Period. Hands down. Wish he won over Levrone in 1996 >:(
Yeah I agree about Flex 1993 he had it all & aesthetics , Arnold said Flex 93 was the greatest physique ever ! that speaks volumes
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Right on cue as predicted all the puppies followed their master just as predicted , thanks for proving my point.
right on cue as predicted. I knew you would eventually see my response and try to save face by changing subjects. Thanks for proving my point ;)
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by the way, greatest ASC winner right here!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie41Original.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie33Original.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."[/quote]
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
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right on cue as predicted. I knew you would eventually see my response and try to save face by changing subjects. Thanks for proving my point ;)
Wow trying to get out the fact that I dragged your dumb ass into another thread who would ever know NeoSeminole would be a weasel ??? thanks for proving my point a lot of you morons have in this thread ;D
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by the way, greatest ASC winner right here!!!
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie112.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie41Original.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie33Original.jpg)
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Ronnie%20Coleman/01%20ASC/2001ASC-Ronnie141ac.jpg)
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
He was better in 1999 and 2003 ;)
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He was better in 1999 and 2003 ;)
Did we just agree on something? ;D
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Did we just agree on something? ;D
Sure who cares what the experts say :D
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Wow trying to get out the fact that I dragged your dumb ass into another thread who would ever know NeoSeminole would be a weasel thanks for proving my point a lot of you morons have in this thread
wow, trying to get out of the fact that you're a hypocrite who thinks he knows more than Flex magazine? Who would've thought NarcissisticSissy would be a coward? Thanks for proving my point that you lack the intellectual capacity to hang with me ;)
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Thanks for proving my point ;)
and Hulkster owns himself every time he posts I just walk him down the path and expose his stupidity
How did I just prove your point?
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How did I just prove your point?
don't mind him. The idiot just likes to talk in a pompous tone b/c he thinks it makes him sound smart
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wow, trying to get out of the fact that you're a hypocrite who thinks he knows more than Flex magazine? Who would've thought NarcissisticSissy would be a coward? Thanks for proving my point that you lack the intellectual capacity to hang with me ;)
Funny you should mention thinking you know more than Flex because you have dismissed the former Editor of Flex on many occasions , Ronnie Coleman himself , Dorian Yates , I mean I can continue to give examples of your hypocrisy but I'll just laugh at your predictability of being in another one of my threads just where I wanted you ;D
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don't mind him. The idiot just likes to talk in a pompous tone b/c he thinks it makes him sound smart
someone is showing their inferiority complex again ;D
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wow, trying to get out of the fact that you're a hypocrite who thinks he knows more than Flex magazine? Who would've thought NarcissisticSissy would be a coward? Thanks for proving my point that you lack the intellectual capacity to hang with me ;)
' intellecutual ' LMMFAO
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I can always count on you for a laugh ;D
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32501&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32494&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32500&Itemid=202)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32499&Itemid=266)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32477&Itemid=207)
(http://muscletime.com/index.php?option=com_joomgallery&func=watermark&catid=12765&id=32438&Itemid=202)
The best he's ever looked
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Even his side triceps looks great.
Yeah it's among the best it's looked , he looked amazing that year
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If only the 2001 arnold had the same lighting as 1999 grand prix, can you imagine? Best ever (let's agree to disagree ND, im no Hulkster).
Yeah the lighting was amazing but it tends to favor darker competitors Kevin Levrone touched on this before
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Funny you should mention thinking you know more than Flex because you have dismissed the former Editor of Flex on many occasions , Ronnie Coleman himself , Dorian Yates , I mean I can continue to give examples of your hypocrisy but I'll just laugh at your predictability of being in another one of my threads just where I wanted you
' intellecutual ' LMMFAO
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
I can always count on you for a laugh
what do these have to do with you being proven wrong by Flex magazine again and again? lol
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
countdown to irrelevant post from ND to try and save face... 3... 2... 1...
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what do these have to do with you being proven wrong by Flex magazine again and again? lol
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
countdown to irrelevant post from ND to try and save face... 3... 2... 1...
I just explained what it has to do with Flex , you're a hypocrite who agrees with Flex when it suits your purpose and when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong and all of these quotes prove me right in fact when they say 2001 was his best and NOT 2003 like you claimed ;) so let me ask you Neo how does it feel being proven wrong by the experts time and time again? and by me?
best physique = subjective NOT fact
best back = subjective NOT fact
best ASC winner = subjective NOT fact
Mr ' intellectual go learn what subjective means ;)
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I just explained what it has to do with Flex , you're a hypocrite who agrees with Flex when it suits your purpose and when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong and all of these quotes prove me right in fact when they say 2001 was his best and NOT 2003 like you claimed so let me ask you Neo how does it feel being proven wrong by the experts time and time again? and by me?
right on cue. Thanks for playing ;)
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right on cue. Thanks for playing ;)
Typical Neo when stifled with facts look for a way out , now what was that about ' intellectual ' yeah I thought so
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Typical Neo when stifled with facts look for a way out , now what was that about ' intellectual ' yeah I thought so
right on cue, my little lap dog.. Right on cue ;)
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right on cue, my little lap dog.. Right on cue ;)
Where are you again puppy? right where I wanted you ....in another NarcissisticDeity thread getting your nose rubbed in your own shit by your master ;)
next ;D
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Where are you again puppy? right where I wanted you ....in another NarcissisticDeity thread getting your nose rubbed in your own shit by your master
good girl! Right on cue. Now spin around.
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Beefcakeblake is just a Dorian die hard fan and clearly biased. He even wrote that Ronnie looked like "lumps of wet dog shit slabbed on to his body", so you can clearly see that.
And yes, Ronnie destroyed everyone in 1999. I'm saying that being a huge Shawn Ray fan, so I'm not biased.
sure I might be a little biased, but I try to see it like I see it.
like my bodies more like ronnies then dorians but some thing about his muscle type and look bugs the shit out of me, like he's overall to smooth, and his muscle insertions to. He looks like a collection of parts that do not fit together.
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I just explained what it has to do with Flex , you're a hypocrite who agrees with Flex when it suits your purpose and when it doesn't they're flat-out wrong and all of these quotes prove me right in fact when they say 2001 was his best and NOT 2003 like you claimed ;) so let me ask you Neo how does it feel being proven wrong by the experts time and time again? and by me?
best physique = subjective NOT fact
best back = subjective NOT fact
best ASC winner = subjective NOT fact
Mr ' intellectual go learn what subjective means ;)
When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going. ::)
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When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning was better, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going.
you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions
- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better
- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong
- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol
- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"
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what do these have to do with you being proven wrong by Flex magazine again and again? lol
best physique of all-time: Ronnie
best back of all-time: Ronnie
best ASC winner of all-time: Ronnie
countdown to irrelevant post from ND to try and save face... 3... 2... 1...
where was dorian in these lists?????
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you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions
- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better
- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong
- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol
- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"
Yet he carries himself around here posting so proud and claiming he is correcting and "owning" everyone. ???
Unbelievable.
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
I just realized this.
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Yet he carries himself around here posting so proud and claiming he is correcting and "owning" everyone. ???
Unbelievable.
I just realized this.
you ronnie fan boys do the exact same shit, so be quiet. :-*
and nd does own all your asses, apart from neo you all get smacked down when you start saying dumb shit about dorian and flex.
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you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions
- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better
- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong
- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol
- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"
handful of body building gods who know exactly what their talking about, and know how to rate a physique. 8) ;D
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you ronnie fan boys do the exact same shit, so be quiet. :-*
and nd does own all your asses, apart from neo you all get smacked down when you start saying dumb shit about dorian and flex.
lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case. ;)
By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.
Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet? ::)
I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand...... ;D
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.
Nice try in defending ND though.
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lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case. ;)
By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.
Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet? ::)
I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand...... ;D
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.
Nice try in defending ND though.
Flex, is that the guy with the fake calves?
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lol, you're funny.
I'm not a Ronnie fanboy, but the same cannot be said of you in Dorian's case. ;)
By the way, I don't try to do the same thing. I've never claimed to "own" everyone or post like I'm some sort of authority, unlike a certain poster.
Do you also think someone can "own" somebody else on the internet? ::)
I've never said one negative thing about Flex, I actually think he looked amazing. Dorian on the other hand...... ;D
Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.
Nice try in defending ND though.
i meant hulkster more then anything, and he says he owns people all the time. ::) ::)
who is your fav then?? jp rc
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i meant hulkster more then anything, and he says he owns people all the time. ::) ::)
who is your fav then?? jp rc
Shawn Ray
I also like Flex, Dexter, Lee and Arnold. Those are just personal preferences, I must admit that Ronnie in 1998-2001 period (especially 1999) was too dominating for anyone and is possibly the best bodybuilder ever. I also think Dorian was clearly dominating in 1993.
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I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe. I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't :D ) have what it takes (took).
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I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe. I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't :D ) have what it takes (took).
When you look at Dorian's physique, do you think about things as symmetry, proportions, or shape? How about separations and detail?
After taking these things into account, do you still think it was molded into perfection?
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I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe. I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't :D ) have what it takes (took).
The moment you quoted the amount you spent in BRITISH pounds at the start of your post I knew who you would side with ;)
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The moment you quoted the amount you spent in BRITISH pounds at the start of your post I knew who you would side with ;)
Got NOTHING to do with it. As I said before, I could not give a hoot about Yates as I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Aaron Baker fan. He is about the only bodybuilder I ever cared about and gone out of my way to have a chat with. It did not make me blind to his faults. Anyway what do you care? You glorify and blow a balding google-eyed sand monkey, a classic 3rd tier bodybuilder that just makes up the rest of the pack.
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Seriously, all I said is that he didn't always have great proportions and ND jumped on me.
ND will jump on anything with a penis.. :-X
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When Flex magazine says Ronnie had the best physique, best back and was the best overall ASC winner its subjective right?
But when they say Ronnie's best was 2001, Dorian had better conditioning, or any other thing you like to quote, its suddenly not subjective? It is now "expert" unquestionable and undeniable word?
I can see where you are going. ::)
No because these things aren't subjective either a guy is in shape or he's not , either he's dry or he's not , either he's holding water or he's not
I'll post quotes from other sources saying Dorian has the best back , does that mean he doesn't? because Flex says so ? and in fact Flex stated in that article that a very strong case could be made for Dorian having the best back , and new article this time around new writer Flex a couple of years ago picked Joel Stubbs over Ronnie and Dorian for having the best back , now comes the point who is right?
Let me answer for you NO ONE is right or wrong because it's a subjective topic learn the difference
Flexonline September 15, 2009
REAR VIEW:
As great as Cutler is from behind, Yates at his best was untouchable from the rear because he had not just the thickest and widest lats but also details like a lumbar Christmas tree. Maybe only two men in history could beat Cutler at his best in both a rear lat spread and a rear double bi, but Yates was one of the two (Coleman being the other).
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates " http://www.baye.com/interviews/ellington_darden_interview1.html
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
quotes work two ways many people feel Dorian's back is the best others feel Ronnie it's subjective , please learn the difference
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ND will jump on anything with a penis..
this is his favorite pic of Dorian. I don't even want to know why :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/94O12.jpg)
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your quotes mean shit and I'll show why
Flexonline September 15, 2009
REAR VIEW:
As great as Cutler is from behind, Yates at his best was untouchable from the rear because he had not just the thickest and widest lats but also details like a lumbar Christmas tree. Maybe only two men in history could beat Cutler at his best in both a rear lat spread and a rear double bi, but Yates was one of the two (Coleman being the other).
exactly, none of Dorian's peers could beat him during his prime. It wasn't until nearly a decade later that Ronnie would surpass him.
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
this quote is pre-03 when Ronnie's back was at it's widest, thickest, and freakiest.
FROM MARKUS RUHL October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
this quote was made before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia (a strong argument can be made for each contest being his prime).
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you have to keep in mind this is the same guy who has been caught contradicting himself on numerous occasions
- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better
- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong
- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol
- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
pot calling the kettle black ;) so easy to show your hypocrisy
- he claims you have to see these guys in person b/c pictures lie, yet he disagrees with all the experts who have seen both live and say Ronnie is better
I don't disagree with experts subjective opinions , I take them for what they're worth. You in fact disagree with the experts who saw them live case in point above and I can embarrass you even more with many more quotes you flat out dismissed such as Ronnie Coleman who on multiple occasions said he couldn't beat Dorian and you dismissed him as ' stupid '
- says Ronnie/Dorian at their prime could go either way. Then says 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie yet would lose to Dorian
That was to generate interest in the thread and guess what? ;) in all reality if all three faced each other they do have the ability to beat each other but I think Dorian would beat them both because his physique favors the criteria
- for yrs, he posted quotes to argue Dorian was better. Then when quotes come out saying Ronnie is better, they are merely "subjective opinion"
for years I posted quotes stating Dorian had better conditioning & balance & proportion which I proved my points and you dismissed all the experts ;) anyone who says Dorian would beat Ronnie is subjective but the topic of balance & proportion , density & dryness aren't ! a concept you have difficulty grasping
- he used to always post the Flex poll from 99 saying Dorian has the best back. Then when the new poll came out with Ronnie#1, he claims they're wrong
I never said they're wrong , you're flat out lying and in fact in the ' new ' poll the preface the article by stating a strong case for Dorian being number 1 can be made and in fact state that many today still feel he has the best back , it's subjective a concept you can't seem to grasp
- he's been caught picking which quotes to accept or ignore from the SAME person, lol
hahahahahaha epic hypocrisy it must suck you having to post this and they have me bash you over the head with the facts like you agree with McGough when he states Ronnie 01 is unbeatable and then turn around and state that he's flat-out wrong when he states Ronnie was never harder or drier ;D
You're a hypocrite and not a very bright one , especially for chastising me for something you're clearly guilty of ;)
- when a handful of quotes about Dorian agree with each other, it's "corroborating evidence" but when over 20 quotes unanimously agree Ronnie is the best, he claims it's "argument ad populum"
still having trouble grasping the concept of things being a subjective nature huh? :-\ you have limited comprehension abilities , popular opinion isn't proof ( everyone says Ronnie is better so there for he's better ) the only thing it's proof is it's popular and nothing else
On the subject of a non-subjective topic such as conditioning and balance & proportion , when all the experts agree Dorian stands alone it's converging evidence because either a guy is harder & drier than the next or he's not , either one guy has a short torso and long legs and high calves or he doesn't compared to another
So in the end you have ad hominem attacks , lies , hypocrisy , ignorance and popular opinion congrats you really accomplished a lot Mr ' intellectual ' lmao ;D
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Yates had great trap and lat thickness, with insane dryness, arguably the best ever (next to ronnie).
He may have had the widest back too, BUT due to his thick waist, guys like Sergio Oliva and Lee Haney look wider due to
better structural tapering, esp. from the front.
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ND will jump on anything with a penis.. :-X
:-X
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I'm imminently qualified to make a judgement on the Ronnie v Dorian debate. Because I've actually seen them compete many times. I've spent £1000's attending shows in the US and Europe. I saw Dorian straight through the 90's and Ronnie along with him too. I saw Ronnie in '99 (his 'best' year according to some) and '04. I've stood right next to both and watched them (no homo). Dorian had something Ronnie didn't. Ronnie was a big, massively powerful bodybuilder with a physique that reminded me of a muscular elephant. When it came to Dorian, it was lights out for whoever competed against him. Sure he was big, but his muscles was welded onto his body and then grinded and molded into perfection. It was never a question in my mind, Dorian wins. Ronnie might come close, but he still don't (and didn't :D ) have what it takes (took).
Great post ! these guys like to claim just one or two people think Dorian is better ;D
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Sorry Neo , Flex magazine 2003 favorite Olympia and Ronnie is behind Dorian it's apparently law now ::)
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Sorry Neo , Flex magazine 2003 favorite Olympia and Ronnie is behind Dorian it's apparently law now ::)
Damn amazing ND how do you come up with this old stuff?
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your quotes mean shit and I'll show why
exactly, none of Dorian's peers could beat him during his prime. It wasn't until nearly a decade later that Ronnie would surpass him.
this quote is pre-03 when Ronnie's back was at it's widest, thickest, and freakiest.
this quote was made before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia (a strong argument can be made for each contest being his prime).
your quotes mean shit and I'll show why
exactly, none of Dorian's peers could beat him during his prime. It wasn't until nearly a decade later that Ronnie would surpass him.
Why do you think they're comparing Jay and Ronnie with Dorian? and Ronnie was Dorian's peer even entertaining your nonsense and did you see the other quotes I posted from Ronnie's reign ? of course you did and as usual when stifled you look for a way out or just ignore them , and again in the latest poll they stay specifically many feel to this day Dorian has the best back and a strong case can be made for Dorian being number one , so again they don't mean shit because they show your stupidity when it comes to a subjective topic and that regardless of who came after it doesn't mean they were better
his quote is pre-03 when Ronnie's back was at it's widest, thickest, and freakiest.
Ronnie's quote was from 2003 and I think that Samir quote is too I would have to double check and Ronnie's back may have been wide and thick but it wasn't as dense or as dry as when he was lighter , don't equate softer size with quality and Ronnie 2003 said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen so either way you're fucked ;)
this quote was made before the 01 ASC and 03 Mr. Olympia (a strong argument can be made for each contest being his prime).
has nothing to do with the fact that people felt in Ronnie's reign that Dorian's back was better
and it in the end it's subjective for you to claim your quotes are right and everyone else is wrong on a subjective topic such as this is weak and stupid two things you're often guilty of
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this is his favorite pic of Dorian. I don't even want to know why :-\
You're the homo who wants me to ' swallow ' your milkshake and proud of it too :-X you building confidence since Ricky Martian came out?
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Damn amazing ND how do you come up with this old stuff?
Easy back then we didn't have the internet lol we had to buy magazines to get the latest news and contest placings
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Easy back then we didn't have the internet lol we had to buy magazines to get the latest news and contest placings
Even more amazing, you know where to go for about any pic or article needed.
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Sorry Neo , Flex magazine 2003 favorite Olympia and Ronnie is behind Dorian it's apparently law now ::)
ironically, ronnie's hamstring in the leg shot of him in that pic has more development than dorian does in the whole front shot he is hitting.. :-\
ironic, but not surprising.
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ironically, ronnie's hamstring in the leg shot of him in that pic has more development than dorian does in the whole front shot he is hitting.. :-\
ironic, but not surprising.
Not surprising how it shows off the discrepancy in proportion between his quads and hams with his quads dominating the two with much harmony a common theme in his physique
but it's law now 2003 Ronnie is behind Dorian again ;D
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I don't disagree with experts subjective opinions , I take them for what they're worth. You in fact disagree with the experts who saw them live case in point above and I can embarrass you even more with many more quotes you flat out dismissed such as Ronnie Coleman who on multiple occasions said he couldn't beat Dorian and you dismissed him as ' stupid '
what does your response have to do with seeing the pros live?
That was to generate interest in the thread and guess what? in all reality if all three faced each other they do have the ability to beat each other but I think Dorian would beat them both because his physique favors the criteria
yeah, sure. You got caught and now you're lying to weasel your way out. "Erm.... I meant to do that." ::)
for years I posted quotes stating Dorian had better conditioning & balance & proportion which I proved my points and you dismissed all the experts anyone who says Dorian would beat Ronnie is subjective but the topic of balance & proportion , density & dryness aren't ! a concept you have difficulty grasping
wrong, you posted the opinions of a few journalists as 'proof' that Dorian had better conditioning or balance. Now that quotes came out saying Ronnie has better this or better that, it suddenly becomes "subjective opinion." You're just a sore loser who can't admit when he loses at his own game.
I never said they're wrong , you're flat out lying and in fact in the ' new ' poll the preface the article by stating a strong case for Dorian being number 1 can be made and in fact state that many today still feel he has the best back , it's subjective a concept you can't seem to grasp
spare me the semantics. Show me where it says in the latest poll that Dorian is tied with Ronnie for #1. Until then, Flex magazine is on record for saying Ronnie has the best back of all-time. ;)
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman (I don't see Dorian's name)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_26/ai_n24356572/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
hahahahahaha epic hypocrisy it must suck you having to post this and they have me bash you over the head with the facts like you agree with McGough when he states Ronnie 01 is unbeatable and then turn around and state that he's flat-out wrong when he states Ronnie was never harder or drier
You're a hypocrite and not a very bright one , especially for chastising me for something you're clearly guilty of
brah, we've been through this many times. The fact you keep regurgitating the same nonsense proves you're grasping at straws. I have no problem admitting that Peter McGough is right, but not if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him. When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning.
still having trouble grasping the concept of things being a subjective nature huh? you have limited comprehension abilities , popular opinion isn't proof ( everyone says Ronnie is better so there for he's better ) the only thing it's proof is it's popular and nothing else
you're dumb as f*ck. According to you, muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry and balance - you know, the criteria judges use to determine placings - are objective yet when a bodybuilding expert applies this criteria, it magically become subjective? lol
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Sorry Neo , Flex magazine 2003 favorite Olympia and Ronnie is behind Dorian it's apparently law now
stop embarrassing yourself. That is a fan poll for favorite Mr. Olympia :-\
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Ronnie 2003 said Dorian had the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen so either way you're fucked
since you seem to think Ronnie is qualified to be an IFBB judge, do you agree with his assessment that he should have won the Mr O in 2006?
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what does your response have to do with seeing the pros live?
yeah, sure. You got caught and now you're lying to weasel your way out. "Erm.... I meant to do that." ::)
wrong, you posted the opinions of a few journalists as 'proof' that Dorian had better conditioning or balance. Now that quotes came out saying Ronnie has better this or better that, it suddenly becomes "subjective opinion." You're just a sore loser who can't admit when he loses at his own game.
spare me the semantics. Show me where it says in the latest poll that Dorian is tied with Ronnie for #1. Until then, Flex magazine is on record for saying Ronnie has the best back of all-time. ;)
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman (I don't see Dorian's name)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_26/ai_n24356572/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
brah, we've been through this many times. The fact you keep regurgitating the same nonsense proves you're grasping at straws. I have no problem admitting that Peter McGough is right, but not if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him. When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning.
you're dumb as f*ck. According to you, muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry and balance - you know, the criteria judges use to determine placings - are objective yet when a bodybuilding expert applies this criteria, it magically become subjective? lol
what does your response have to do with seeing the pros live?
Because you have personally dismissed people who have seen Dorian & Ronnie live and in person as wrong , this makes you a hypocrite for claiming I do it , textbook projection
yeah, sure. You got caught and now you're lying to weasel your way out. "Erm.... I meant to do that." ::)
oh no I was caught lying ::) I just told you how I felt you want to believe what you want , knock yourself out . I've always maintained in fact that Flex could give Dorian trouble and Ronnie is one of the few guys who could beat Dorian it's old news I've been consistent with that but you're looking for any angle
wrong, you posted the opinions of a few journalists as 'proof' that Dorian had better conditioning or balance. Now that quotes came out saying Ronnie has better this or better that, it suddenly becomes "subjective opinion." You're just a sore loser who can't admit when he loses at his own game.
I proved my points after the fact mind you on a non-subjective topic , either Ronnie has high sub-par calves in relation to his quads or he doesn't when directly compared to Dorian there is no room for debate on the subject
However the subject of best back or best ever is very subjective which why there are so many varying opinions and no one is right or wrong , so until you grasp this concept continue with your delusion that I lost at my own game when in fact the guy you claim who has the best back admits in 2003 a year you claim is his best that Dorian has the thickest & freakiest back he ever seen , so in the end you ' lose '
spare me the semantics. Show me where it says in the latest poll that Dorian is tied with Ronnie for #1. Until then, Flex magazine is on record for saying Ronnie has the best back of all-time. ;)
Irony alert Neo saying spare me the semantics LMFAO I will just laugh at the absurdity of you typing that , I never claimed he was tied I said exactly what they said , a strong case for Dorian being #1 can be made and many still feel he has the best back , Flex magazine is on record as saying Joel Stubbs had a better back than Ronnie and Dorian , so guess what which is it? it changes with the writer and depends on the person , you're stuck on claiming a hallow victory on such a subjective topic and are so desperate think you've accomplished something and you haven't
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman (I don't see Dorian's name)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_1_26/ai_n24356572/pg_1?tag=artBody;col1
1 Ronnie Coleman
For much of the '90s, there was little dispute that Yates had the best back ever, and there are many who contend so today. Now, there is a debate, for during the first years of his Olympia reign, Coleman also displayed low-lying, ultrawide lats, but whereas Yates had more grainy ruggedness, Coleman had more feathered refinements. The moments just before he hit his rear lat spread and rear double biceps were contest highlights, as ridges and knots roamed and stripes and crevices emerged, morphing his back into a new and spectacular landscape each time he moved his arms. At his best, his back was like a great symphony orchestra, big and booming, sometimes overwhelming, and yet each finely tuned part played its role precisely.
because you're not looking ;) try getting your head out of Ronnie's ass
brah, we've been through this many times. The fact you keep regurgitating the same nonsense proves you're grasping at straws. I have no problem admitting that Peter McGough is right, but not if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him. When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning.
I don't care what you agree with , the facts are facts regardless of your denial and ignorance , the point wasn't about the conditioning , but you knew this which is another pathetic attempt at deflection that was merely to highlight your hypocrisy ;D
you're dumb as f*ck. According to you, muscular bulk, conditioning, symmetry and balance - you know, the criteria judges use to determine placings - are objective yet when a bodybuilding expert applies this criteria, it magically become subjective? lol
Still don't get it huh? ironic you call someone ' dumb as fuck ' who has the best bodypart is subjective , who was the best from two different eras is subjective , hence why there are so many different opinions , you being the biased person you are are trying to pass off your subjective popular opinion as fact and it's NOT how it works
Again Neo either Ronnie has short high underdeveloped calves when directly compared to Dorian Yates or he doesn't there is no room for debate on the topic , either Ronnie's quads dominate his calves in a manor in which Dorian's didn't or they do , there is no subjective opinion on this subject
See you know what subjective is and isn't but the whole crux of your position relies on popular and subjective opinions so you have to keep on this path of stupidity out of pride of not looking like you know what you're talking about , but don't fret you've already well established you don't eons ago when you claimed balance & proportion were the same things and I was merely typing they as separate to fluff up Dorian's advantages
It's obvious you don't have a fucking clue on what you're talking about , not on the subject of balance & proportion or density & dryness or on how contests are judged , you're in way over your head and committed to some very faulty positions and have been proven wrong , but again your foolish pride prevents you from learning which is why you continue to deny and rely on such faulty logic and appeals to the masses
You're like Hulkster in that regard to proud to admit you're obviously wrong and stupid to learn but then again I would too seeing after how many times I've corrected and embarrassed you ;)
Thanks for playing Neo run along now Maser has grown tired of playing with his puppy ;D
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stop embarrassing yourself. That is a fan poll for favorite Mr. Olympia :-\
Duh gee how did you come to that conclusion? the part where it said FAN POLL ::) no it was in Flex it's popular opinion it's law now ::)
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since you seem to think Ronnie is qualified to be an IFBB judge, do you agree with his assessment that he should have won the Mr O in 2006?
I absolutely do NOT think Ronnie is qualified to be an IFBB judge you knew this answer already , but his opinion matters just as much as any of your ' experts ' and it means a lot more than yours for you to dismiss it so casually shows your agenda
not one fucking-single of the experts you posted are IFBB judges on the subject yet you attempted to pass them off as law instead if what it is , an opinion on a subjective topic
Now to further embarrass you and your logic , you have outright dismissed a couple of IFBB judges , Dorian Yates when he said he was better balanced and had better conditioning than Ronnie , so judges don't matter , writers do ( only when they agree with your POV , what was McGough major again? English lit ring a bell? ) and a lot of writers really matter and fans too , lots of fans lmfao more flawed logic but don't fret I never expected anymore from you
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Because you have personally dismissed people who have seen Dorian & Ronnie live and in person as wrong , this makes you a hypocrite for claiming I do it , textbook projection
who are these people and where did I dismiss them? lol
oh no I was caught lying I just told you how I felt you want to believe what you want , knock yourself out . I've always maintained in fact that Flex could give Dorian trouble and Ronnie is one of the few guys who could beat Dorian it's old news I've been consistent with that but you're looking for any angle
fact: you claimed Dorian/Ronnie are tied
fact: you also claimed 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie but lose to Dorian
I'm not believing what I want. I'm simply going by what you wrote. ;)
I proved my points after the fact mind you on a non-subjective topic , either Ronnie has high sub-par calves in relation to his quads or he doesn't when directly compared to Dorian there is no room for debate on the subject
no, you haven't proved anything. Prove that Dorian was more conditioned. Do you have the results of a skin caliper test or hydrostatic weighing? Prove that Dorian had better symmetry. Did he have a smaller waist and better taper? Did he have smaller joints? Do his left and right halves match up more evenly? Saying that Ronnie had a better back or a better physique is no less "subjective" than saying Dorian had better conditioning or symmetry since both are the opinions of the eye of the beholder.
Irony alert Neo saying spare me the semantics LMFAO I will just laugh at the absurdity of you typing that , I never claimed he was tied I said exactly what they said , a strong case for Dorian being #1 can be made and many still feel he has the best back , Flex magazine is on record as saying Joel Stubbs had a better back than Ronnie and Dorian , so guess what which is it? it changes with the writer and depends on the person , you're stuck on claiming a hallow victory on such a subjective topic and are so desperate think you've accomplished something and you haven't
so you concede that Ronnie is on record for having the best back ever according to Flex magazine?
I don't care what you agree with , the facts are facts regardless of your denial and ignorance , the point wasn't about the conditioning , but you knew this which is another pathetic attempt at deflection that was merely to highlight your hypocrisy
since you seemed to miss the point, I'll leave this here for you to read again.
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
let it be known that ND is afraid to acknowledge the credibility of his sources b/c he knows this weakens his argument. However, he has no problem using any of their quotes as long as they agree with him ::)
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but his opinion matters just as much as any of your ' experts ' and it means a lot more than yours for you to dismiss it so casually shows your agenda
so ND, given that you give ronnie credibility in his opinion, do you agree with his assessment of his 1999 physique being better than his 98 one as he stated in his victory seminar in 99?
LOL
once again, ND trapped by me in his own words.
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Prove that Dorian was more conditioned. Do you have the results of a skin caliper test or hydrostatic weighing?
they could easily get a good bit of skin with the caliper on dorian's wrinkled flab on his lower back! ;D
all they would get on Ronnie would be dry striations. 8)
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what is the deal with all these paragraphs i mean just look at some pictures its clear these guys are on different levels of musculature ???
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what is the deal with all these paragraphs i mean just look at some pictures its clear these guys are on different levels of musculature ???
correct. its always been clear ronnie has been much better than dorian based on the visuals.
so thats why the nuthuggers have to post endless paragraphs and quotes of gibberish to try and bypass the damage the visuals do to their argument.
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who are these people and where did I dismiss them? lol
fact: you claimed Dorian/Ronnie are tied
fact: you also claimed 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie but lose to Dorian
I'm not believing what I want. I'm simply going by what you wrote. ;)
no, you haven't proved anything. Prove that Dorian was more conditioned. Do you have the results of a skin caliper test or hydrostatic weighing? Prove that Dorian had better symmetry. Did he have a smaller waist and better taper? Did he have smaller joints? Do his left and right halves match up more evenly? Saying that Ronnie had a better back or a better physique is no less "subjective" than saying Dorian had better conditioning or symmetry since both are the opinions of the eye of the beholder.
so you concede that Ronnie is on record for having the best back ever according to Flex magazine?
since you seemed to miss the point, I'll leave this here for you to read again.
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
let it be known that ND is afraid to acknowledge the credibility of his sources b/c he knows this weakens his argument. However, he has no problem using any of their quotes as long as they agree with him ::)
who are these people and where did I dismiss them? lol
Dorian Yates , Peter McGough , all the experts who said 2001 is his best , IFBB judges , Ronnie Coleman himself stop being stupid I know it's hard
fact: you claimed Dorian/Ronnie are tied
fact: you also claimed 93 ASC Flex would easily beat Ronnie but lose to Dorian
I'm not believing what I want. I'm simply going by what you wrote. ;)
I just told you how I felt and I've been consistent in those facts and no I just wrote I thinks all three are capable of beating each other but you glossed over that as usual
no, you haven't proved anything. Prove that Dorian was more conditioned. Do you have the results of a skin caliper test or hydrostatic weighing? Prove that Dorian had better symmetry. Did he have a smaller waist and better taper? Did he have smaller joints? Do his left and right halves match up more evenly? Saying that Ronnie had a better back or a better physique is no less "subjective" than saying Dorian had better conditioning or symmetry since both are the opinions of the eye of the beholder.
yeah Okay I provided the quotes from the experts on a NONE subjective topic conditioning , and it's you who has denied the experts the onus is on YOU dumb ass to disproved he's not and posting a pic and saying ' see ' isn't proof , proof he isn't and good luck and try and learn what great conditioning is before you commit to a reply
Same with symmetry especially under the bodybuilding context which means more than just small joints and waist & hips , it also includes muscular balance & proportion , muscle length , width , etc , stop harping on PART of the word while omitting the rest which is the problem your POV is to narrow , does Ronnie meet that part of symmetry better than Dorian better ? sure does he meet the balance & proportion part better? NO
These things are in the eyes of the beholder who knows what they're looking for and that sure as fuck isn't you , it's easy to say who has smaller joints when standing next to each other there fore NOT subjective , to say who has the best back from two photos with different lighting , quality and criteria on which constitutes a better back is very subjective , a concept you still can't grasp
so you concede that Ronnie is on record for having the best back ever according to Flex magazine?
No according to Flex it's Joel Stubbs ;)
since you seemed to miss the point, I'll leave this here for you to read again.
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
let it be known that ND is afraid to acknowledge the credibility of his sources b/c he knows this weakens his argument. However, he has no problem using any of their quotes as long as they agree with him ::)
subjective vs non-subjective learn the difference and you're the moron who claimed if you buy into one single quote from a guy you're now bound to every single one , this is your logic typed by YOU , which doesn't apply to you because you agree with McGough one minute and flat-out dismissed him the next
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so ND, given that you give ronnie credibility in his opinion, do you agree with his assessment of his 1999 physique being better than his 98 one as he stated in his victory seminar in 99?
LOL
once again, ND trapped by me in his own words.
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I agree with Ronnie ALL three times he said he was better in 1998 in coincides with the majority of experts and reality ;)
I also agree with Ronnie when he said on three separate occasions he wouldn't touch Dorian ;)
once again Hulkster owned by me using his own hero
sucks to be you as usual.
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they could easily get a good bit of skin with the caliper on dorian's wrinkled flab on his lower back! ;D
all they would get on Ronnie would be dry striations. 8)
Have you ever even watched a video? When Dorian hits his lat spread, after he spreads, he cocks his back backwards, loosening up the skin.,
Ronnie leans forwards when he does his spread, pulling the lower back tight.
I swear to god you never have watched a video in your life.
Your such a blind moron.
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so ND, given that you give ronnie credibility in his opinion, do you agree with his assessment of his 1999 physique being better than his 98 one as he stated in his victory seminar in 99?
LOL
once again, ND trapped by me in his own words.
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Oh, you mean like the 3 times he said 98 was better, all made AFTER he the victory cerimony, thereby AMENDING his previous statement?
Oh thats right, no one EVER says they were better last year after they just won a show.
Hulkster I mean really, you would be smart to never ever mention Ronnie's opinion when you try and argue that 99 was his best, cause quite frankly, Ronnie himself destroys your argument, you fucking toolbag.
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too bad real life destroy's ronnie's argument too:
99>98
whos the toolbag now? LOL
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even your guy hero Peter McGough says Ronnie 99>98 (as per his article)
deal with it losers.
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Oh, you mean like the 3 times he said 98 was better, all made AFTER he the victory cerimony, thereby AMENDING his previous statement?
your hero Peter McGough agrees with his first statment.
what do you say to THAT loser?
lol fucking owned.
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ND I hope you do realize that your very own posts show very compelling proof of how ronnie's 99 form was even better than his AC form.
eg.
way more of a gut at the AC
10 pounds smaller..
not nearly as full as 99
yet not really any more defined either...
so, tell us why his AC form was his best ever? LOL
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ND frantically trying to figure out a way out of this one.
he is caught between a rock and a hard place..lol
typical owning by someone much smarter and not blindly influenced by incorrect opinions of 'experts' not backed up by reality at all... ::)
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ND has always been stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'm surprised she hasn't given up yet. Gotta admire her determination :)
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Sorry Neo , Flex magazine 2003 favorite Olympia and Ronnie is behind Dorian it's apparently law now ::)
So no one noticed this poll is revealed in April of 2003. Ronnie has just come off his worst Olympia
since he won the title and also got beat by Gunther at the GNC.
The 2003 Olympia had not happened yet and my guess would be that Coleman would
be No. 2 on that poll had it been taken in April of 2004.
It seems the majority of people like his 2003 physique the best.
I am not one of them by far but I'll show more respect than to call them fanboys
because I strongly disagree with them.
There are a lot of good, serious bodybuilders over at MD who recently polled
2003 as Coleman's best Olympia appearance.
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ND I hope you do realize that your very own posts show very compelling proof of how ronnie's 99 form was even better than his AC form.
eg.
way more of a gut at the AC
10 pounds smaller..
not nearly as full as 99
yet not really any more defined either...
so, tell us why his AC form was his best ever? LOL
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Which is exactly why NO ONE of value agrees with you not even your deluded friend Neo and not even your hero Ronnie who has said three separate occasions 1998 was his best Olympia , compelling case lmfao
http://clips.team-andro.com/watch/6ec386cb64df22dff37b/Superstar-Seminar-Ronnie-Coleman-Phil-Heath-Dexter-Jackson
Heath , Alves and Ronnie all say his best is 1998
Joe Weider - IFBB Co-Founder
"Many experts, including reigning Mr.Olympia, Jay Cutler, believe that at his best Ronnie has the greatest physique of all-time. When looking at pictures of Ronnie from the 1998 Mr.Olympia, I find it hard to argue with that."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Flex Magazine March 2009
Tales from Columbus
2001 (2): Is Chris Cormier unlucky? Are Bob Cicherillo's threads so loud that he's being sponsored by a megaphone company? At the 2001 Arnold Classic, for the only time in its history, the reigning Mr. Olympia entered the contest. Not only that, but said Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, was in the best shape of his career, before or since. Now that is bad luck.
Flex Magazine March 2008
2001 Then-reigning Mr. Olympia Ronnie Coleman, in the shape of his life at 245 pounds, took this one, with Cormier gaining the second of his six consecutive runner-up positions.
Q ] There are those who feel you were at your best when you competed lighter, which for you was in the low 270's, and those who say you were best in the 290's. Was there a particular look you presented that you preferred over the others?
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Number one. That one was incredible to me. It (Ronnie's first Olympia win in 1998) always will be and nothing will ever take the place of that one. Everything was just spot on for that show. I had to overcome so much to win that one too.
I had guys in front of me who had beaten me for the last ten years or so. Nobody picked me to go in and win that show because I had gotten ninth the year before. I had to come with an incredible package and blow all the judges away and that's what I pretty much did.
Flex Magazine August 2003
Jim Schmatltz on Ronnie chances of winning six Olympias in a row
if he repeats his 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic form, he'll experience the joy of six.
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable. Except by Dorian Yates 6 weeks out from the '93 O as photographed by our own KMH. Both men, on those specific occasions carried so much dry muscle mass in good proportion and with good lines that it's almost unfair to compare them to others.
While I’m on record as saying that the best physique I ever saw was Ronnie’s at the 2001 Arnold, he was never drier or harder than Dorian. In fact now that – 14 years after it happened – I recently for the first time saw the video of Dorian posing before the 1993 Olympia I have cause to rethink. I’m now not sure that Ronnie at 245 pounds would beat Dorian at 269 pounds. At a bigger bodyweight I think Ronnie would look soft next to an in-shape rock-hard Dorian.
review of mr. olympia 1999, january 2000, page 90:
257 pounds, a good seven pounds heavier than last year and the clear winner, ALTHOUGH NOT AS BONE DRY OR AS ROCK HARD IN 98. In comparison to 98, his thighs are enourmous with a greater sweep and his front delts have improved; plus the pec anomaly (gyno) is no longer present.
Quote Peter McGough Flex Magazine Jan 2001
RONNIE COLEMAN : ( 264lbs As big as a house , but holding water. In '98 , he was shredded and bone dry at 250 pounds. Last year ( 1999 ) he was 257 pounds but NOT as sharp as '98. This year ( 2000 ) at 264 pounds , he's not as sharp as 99 , which would seem to say that Ronnie is better at a lighter weight .
Peter McGough Flex Magazine August 2005
Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage (there was a contender for best-ever that I saw offstage: those crazy photos of sock-footed Dorian Yates taken seven weeks before the 1993 Mr. Olympia) was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable and would make any criticisms as redundant as a chocolate squat rack.
As usual you contradict the experts and the real life visual evidence ;)
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ND has always been stuck between a rock and a hard place. I'm surprised she hasn't given up yet. Gotta admire her determination :)
Funny you should mention that because where are you exactly? talking about Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman in another thread totally unrelated to the topic at hand in another NarcissisticDeity thread ;D using all sorts of faulty logic ;)
lost little puppies walking down the path a lead them ;)
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too bad real life destroy's ronnie's argument too:
99>98
whos the toolbag now? LOL
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even your guy hero Peter McGough says Ronnie 99>98 (as per his article)
deal with it losers.
McGough says 2001 is his best so in the end you still lose moron ;) deal with that.. the experts all agree Ronnie's best is 1998 or 2001
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Oh, you mean like the 3 times he said 98 was better, all made AFTER he the victory cerimony, thereby AMENDING his previous statement?
Oh thats right, no one EVER says they were better last year after they just won a show.
Hulkster I mean really, you would be smart to never ever mention Ronnie's opinion when you try and argue that 99 was his best, cause quite frankly, Ronnie himself destroys your argument, you fucking toolbag.
HAhahahahhahaha that's the best Ronnie himself owns his fan-boys hence why they keep trying so hard
they came Ronnie would beat Dorian , Ronnie says three times he wouldn't , they claim 1999 is his best Ronnie says three times 1998 is ;D
it's why they try so hard and it's why they're in another one of my threads hi-jacking it crying
Ronnie Coleman owns them and they fucking can't stand it , it's the ultimate kick in the ass ;D
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Strange what is going on in this thread.
ND posts lots of quotes saying RC is the best ever, and Hulkster post pictures and argues how bad RCs gut is....
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Strange what is going on in this thread.
ND posts lots of quotes saying RC is the best ever, and Hulkster post pictures and argues how bad RCs gut is....
lmao haahh irony
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Funny you should mention that because where are you exactly? talking about Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman in another thread totally unrelated to the topic at hand in another NarcissisticDeity thread ;D using all sorts of faulty logic ;)
lost little puppies walking down the path a lead them ;)
ronnie fan boys are pretty sad, they can't get how much dorian was over their man crush hero ;) so they come on here saying dumb things, trying to make their hero look better. :-[
but he still falls short, in the midst of the great one dorian yates ;D
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Man, you guys certainly love your quotes.......
Hey ND, have you ever thought about making on your own opinion or do you always fall in line with what Flex magazine has to say regardless of what you might see and think of a particular physique or contest?
You certainly hold your experts up high.
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No because these things aren't subjective either a guy is in shape or he's not , either he's dry or he's not , either he's holding water or he's not
I'll post quotes from other sources saying Dorian has the best back , does that mean he doesn't? because Flex says so ? and in fact Flex stated in that article that a very strong case could be made for Dorian having the best back , and new article this time around new writer Flex a couple of years ago picked Joel Stubbs over Ronnie and Dorian for having the best back , now comes the point who is right?
Let me answer for you NO ONE is right or wrong because it's a subjective topic learn the difference
Flexonline September 15, 2009
REAR VIEW:
As great as Cutler is from behind, Yates at his best was untouchable from the rear because he had not just the thickest and widest lats but also details like a lumbar Christmas tree. Maybe only two men in history could beat Cutler at his best in both a rear lat spread and a rear double bi, but Yates was one of the two (Coleman being the other).
DESCRIBE DORIAN YATES: A close friend. Dorian is very intelligent, a great Mr. Olympia. He had the best side-chest pose and the thickest freakiest back I have ever seen.
Samir Bannout who had one of the best backs mind you on Cutler 2001
Jay Cutler blows the other bodybuilders away with the crisp detail of his muscularity from top to bottom. He has superior calves, hamstrings and glutes. His back is detailed and big, but it does not match up well against Ronnie, who has the second-best back in the history of bodybuilding behind the great Dorian Yates
Ronnie has the second best back behind the great Dorian Yates
Ellington Darden, Ph.D. " best back - Dorian Yates " http://www.baye.com/interviews/ellington_darden_interview1.html
FROM MARKUS RUHL
October 2000, FLEX page 166 (notice how it is post 1999)
"DORIAN YATES HAD THE BEST BACK IN THE HISTORY OF BODYBUILDING. HIS LAT SPREAD WAS UNBELIEVABLE. HIS SIZE, MASS, AND CONDITIONING WERE PERFECT,"
quotes work two ways many people feel Dorian's back is the best others feel Ronnie it's subjective , please learn the difference
No because these things aren't subjective either a guy is in shape or he's not , either he's dry or he's not , either he's holding water or he's not
So conditioning is not a little subjective? How about people who think Dorian's dryness and density didn't mean much when he lacked detail, separations and striations compared to his competition hence affecting the overall visual impact of his conditioning?
What about balance and proportion? Or symmetry? Arent' those subjective?
I've read some people say Dorian had good proportion and symmetry while at the same time a whole bunch of other people saying the opposite. And if you think Dorian's proportions or symmetry can't be argued you're a bit biased.
I'll post quotes from other sources saying Dorian has the best back , does that mean he doesn't? because Flex says so ? and in fact Flex stated in that article that a very strong case could be made for Dorian having the best back , and new article this time around new writer Flex a couple of years ago picked Joel Stubbs over Ronnie and Dorian for having the best back , now comes the point who is right?
Pretty much agree with you here, the case of who had the best bodypart is a subjective matter. Of course within reason, you're not going to say Dorian had better biceps than Ronnie or Ronnie had better calves.
One more thing, you can spare your quotes here, I know those are just subjective opinions of people who happen to know more about bodybuilding than the average person, but that doesn't mean they have the final word.
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you two guys again?
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what is the deal with all these paragraphs i mean just look at some pictures its clear these guys are on different levels of musculature ???
Exactly, but they can't accept the visuals.
And you don't even have to look at pics, just look at videos of both at their respective bests and you'll see.
No matter how much they like to argue and post more pics, quotes, and try to ignore the visuals are there.
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ronnie fan boys are pretty sad, they can't get how much dorian was over their man crush hero ;) so they come on here saying dumb things, trying to make their hero look better. :-[
but he still falls short, in the midst of the great one dorian yates ;D
I know you weren't talking about me here, but I have to say if you don't see that Ronnie at his best would beat Dorian (no matter how great Dorian was), I just don't get what you're seeing.
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Everybody keeps forgetting Mike Francois. His level of size and conditioning was 5 years ahead of everyone else at the time!
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Everybody keeps forgetting Mike Francois. His level of size and conditioning was 5 years ahead of everyone else at the time!
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(http://api.ning.com/files/D9xZpMEXn7DqdOVHdZ0Lr4xFwRcrYhDcw8MZUCq*u6vPsnspJLF83tI0sTLFMns2k25CDGXkrFpHJGjPd2zvl5jvjN74r7Be/energizer_bunny2008med.jpg)
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Strange what is going on in this thread.
ND posts lots of quotes saying RC is the best ever, and Hulkster post pictures and argues how bad RCs gut is....
More important is when they say RC is the best an it ain't 1999 ;D I don't fear subjective opinions it's popular opinion Ronnie was the best ever doesn't make it a fact
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More important is when they say RC is the best an it ain't 1999 ;D I don't fear subjective opinions it's popular opinion Ronnie was the best ever doesn't make it a fact
'When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.' ;)
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your hero Peter McGough agrees with his first statment.
what do you say to THAT loser?
lol fucking owned.
You're really trying this again?
How about the 5 dozens times you decided Peter Mcough is not a credible source.
Therefore, you are agreeing with someone you said has no credibility.
You really are a fucking idiot. Lol.
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You're really trying this again?
How about the 5 dozens times you decided Peter Mcough is not a credible source.
Therefore, you are agreeing with someone you said has no credibility.
You really are a fucking idiot. Lol.
LMFAO it's NO coincidence that these Coleman fans are among the dumbest people on the internet
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I agree with Ronnie ALL three times he said he was better in 1998 in coincides with the majority of experts and reality
I also agree with Ronnie when he said on three separate occasions he wouldn't touch Dorian
once again Hulkster owned by me using his own hero
sucks to be you as usual.
so by your own admission, you only agree with Ronnie when it fits your agenda, but disagree with him at all other times.. ??? ::)
unbelievable. :-\
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Man, you guys certainly love your quotes.......
Hey ND, have you ever thought about making on your own opinion or do you always fall in line with what Flex magazine has to say regardless of what you might see and think of a particular physique or contest?
You certainly hold your experts up high.
ND has never once made up his own opinion. He has never been able to think for himself.
his whole body of posts consists of nothing but quotes and efforts to discredit visual evidence..
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Hulkster I mean really, you would be smart to never ever mention Ronnie's opinion when you try and argue that 99 was his best, cause quite frankly, Ronnie himself destroys your argument, you fucking toolbag.
how has ronnie destroyed the argument?
has he shown footage and pics of 98 being so much better than 99, or the AC being better than 99?
explain.
you think that just because he says he was at his best that it must be true no matter what the visuals say?
I suppose you therefore must think that 95 dorian even with the horrible torn bi must be his best too, as he has stated this before as well? LOL
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You're really trying this again?
How about the 5 dozens times you decided Peter Mcough is not a credible source.
Therefore, you are agreeing with someone you said has no credibility.
You really are a fucking idiot. Lol.
LOL you just don't get it do you?
I mention McGough only because you morons suck his cock at every opportunity and turn your own arguments against you.
but you are too dumb to realize it.
I couldn't care less what McGough says, but you all do, so I use it against you.
you are trapped in your own arguments LOL
but it went right over your heads LOL
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LOL you just don't get it do you?
I mention McGough only because you morons suck his cock at every opportunity and turn your own arguments against you.
but you are too dumb to realize it.
I couldn't care less what McGough says, but you all do, so I use it against you.
you are trapped in your own arguments LOL
but it went right over your heads LOL
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No, You dont get it. You are retarded because not once have I ever said anything about Mcgough, and 2, you are agreeing with someone who you claim has no credibility. Once again, you are totally showing everyone how fucking retarded you are. Lol. News flash, when you say someone is not a credible source, that means that you dont try and quote him to support your stance. Fucking incredible. Lol.
Oh, and stop trying to project, your the one trapped by your own words, and now your trying to shift the subject around like you always do. Lol.
No matter how much you try and make your opinion fact and try and manipulate things, nothing will change the fact that Ronnie said 3 times 98 was his best, thereby nullifying his previous statement, (made after the show he won, no less, like anyone is gonna say he was better the year before, lol), not to mention you are now convientley trying to agree with someone who you constantly claim has no credibility. Hulkster, you are a piece of work. lol
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how has ronnie destroyed the argument?
has he shown footage and pics of 98 being so much better than 99, or the AC being better than 99?
explain.
you think that just because he says he was at his best that it must be true no matter what the visuals say?
I suppose you therefore must think that 95 dorian even with the horrible torn bi must be his best too, as he has stated this before as well? LOL
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Hahahaha! Yeah, cause you dont seem to understand that everyone see's everything differently. Ronnie and the majority of the BB community agree that 98 was his best. When the competitor himself tells you what his best showing was, he tends to know, he was there. Fucking lol. You werent. Get over it.
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When the competitor himself tells you what his best showing was, he tends to know, he was there..
yes, and the fact that ronnie publicly stated he was better in 1999 than in 1998 is just eating you up inside isn't it?
thats why you and ND are melting down over the ronnie's own words in his seminar because they don't fit your agenda.
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you seem to think that because he stated differently at another time trumps the fact that all the visuals confirm he was better in 99 than in 98, something that ND's hero Peter McGough agrees with LOL
you are fucked.
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yes, and the fact that ronnie publicly stated he was better in 1999 than in 1998 is just eating you up inside isn't it?
thats why you and ND are melting down over the ronnie's own words in his seminar because they don't fit your agenda.
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you seem to think that because he stated differently at another time trumps the fact that all the visuals confirm he was better in 99 than in 98, something that ND's hero Peter McGough agrees with LOL
you are fucked.
Hahaha, not at all, your the one that cant stand that he never said that again, except the night of the show, directly after he won the O. Lol. Again, just accept it Hulkster, No one says "I was better last year".
He just won his Olympia, feeling great, says "Im the best I ever have been!" a couple years later, he looks back, and says, well my best showing was 98. Not once, not twice, but 3 times.
I know it sucks for you Hulkster, but youre the one Melting down because your own hero fails to confirm your argument. lol.
And you seem to be incapable of grasping that "Visual Evidence" means one thing to you and something completely different to someone else. So that fact that your trying to claim that your Opinion is more valid than Ronnies, is laughable. Not to mention all the other people that were there that said 98 was better than 99. Guess what, All you have is your opinion based on some videos and pics. News flash, Ronnie was there. The other people were there. You werent, get over it.
Ronnie says, Sorry Hulkster, but you lose.
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lol @ ND getting his ass handed to him in this thread
yeah Okay I provided the quotes from the experts on a NONE subjective topic conditioning , and it's you who has denied the experts the onus is on YOU dumb ass to disproved he's not and posting a pic and saying ' see ' isn't proof , proof he isn't and good luck and try and learn what great conditioning is before you commit to a reply
wrong, you quoted the opinions of those who saw them. Nowhere did you provide evidence that Dorian was more conditioned. I'm still waiting for you to explain the objective visual criteria you're using to determine conditioning. It's not water b/c that's hidden underneath the skin. It's not fat b/c that's also hidden underneath the skin. It's not genetics b/c you can't see it with the naked eye. So what observable cues are you using?
No according to Flex it's Joel Stubbs
prove it
btw, doesn't matter since it would have been amended in the latest Flex poll for best back ;)
subjective vs non-subjective learn the difference and you're the moron who claimed if you buy into one single quote from a guy you're now bound to every single one , this is your logic typed by YOU , which doesn't apply to you because you agree with McGough one minute and flat-out dismissed him the next
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
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LOLOLOL.....at least when i stir up the Nasser shit I KNOW i'm being a dick....you guys are fucking serious :P
Comparing quotes in BBing rags as if they matter.....answer me this...what EXACTLY makes these guys "experts" ??
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LOLOLOL.....at least when i stir up the Nasser shit I KNOW i'm being a dick....you guys are fucking serious :P
Comparing quotes in BBing rags as if they matter.....answer me this...what EXACTLY makes these guys "experts" ??
anyone is expert according to ND as long as he agrees with him ::)
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lol @ ND getting his ass handed to him in this thread
wrong, you quoted the opinions of those who saw them. Nowhere did you provide evidence that Dorian was more conditioned. I'm still waiting for you to explain the objective visual criteria you're using to determine conditioning. It's not water b/c that's hidden underneath the skin. It's not fat b/c that's also hidden underneath the skin. It's not genetics b/c you can't see it with the naked eye. So what observable cues are you using?
prove it
btw, doesn't matter since it would have been amended in the latest Flex poll for best back ;)
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
lol @ ND getting his ass handed to him in this thread
says the moron who couldn't even stick to the topic and then accuses me of something he's guilty of LMFAO as usual you don't have much to offer
wrong, you quoted the opinions of those who saw them. Nowhere did you provide evidence that Dorian was more conditioned. I'm still waiting for you to explain the objective visual criteria you're using to determine conditioning. It's not water b/c that's hidden underneath the skin. It's not fat b/c that's also hidden underneath the skin. It's not genetics b/c you can't see it with the naked eye. So what observable cues are you using?
I don't have to provide any ' evidence ' you my stupid little friend don't agree with the experts when the contradict your claims , the onus is on YOU to provide evidence to the contrary claiming he wasn't and as usual you have nothing a common theme with you. I made the claim Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie and backed up my claimed with experts I'll be waiting for you to do the same ;)
prove it
btw, doesn't matter since it would have been amended in the latest Flex poll for best back ;)
No need to prove it , it's been posted many times , depending on the writer the best back changes an it's been amended that McGough said Ronnie was unbeatable in 2001 yet you continue to post that quote ;)
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
No , no my stupid little friend it doesn't work both ways according to you are your stupid logic , you're the moron who claimed if you believe one quote you're now bound to believe them all , a flawed logic that doesn't apply to you because McGough is right when he claims Ronnie 01 is unbeatable but flat-out wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian
You can't keep track of your bullshit moron I can ;) the funny part is you have the balls to claim I'm a hypocrite and all you're doing is projecting your own so you're right back to square one , getting corrected by me in another thread that you felt the compulsion to post in ;)
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Isn't it incredible ND how you start a thread titled The Greatest Arnold classic winner ever..and you got all the usual suspects jumping in with the insults and personal endorsement's of there favorite witch in turn is a excuse for rubbishing the other winners of the A/C as well as personal tired old attacks on Yates etc? BTW id say 1993 A/C Flex would be extremely hard to top
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says the gentleman who couldn't even stick to the topic and then accuses me of something he's guilty of LMFAO as usual you don't have much to offer
says the idiot who thinks by changing the subject, everyone will forget about the verbal raping he is receiving in this thread.
I don't have to provide any ' evidence ' you my stupid little friend don't agree with the experts when the contradict your claims , the onus is on YOU to provide evidence to the contrary claiming he wasn't and as usual you have nothing a common theme with you. I made the claim Dorian was better conditioned than Ronnie and backed up my claimed with experts I'll be waiting for you to do the same
lol, the onus is on the person making the positive claim. You think Dorian was more conditioned. So prove it. If you have no objective, visual criteria that explains why Dorian was more conditioned, then it's not really "non-subjective" as you say ;)
btw, I already disproved your sources with scientific evidence and pics, and countered them with quotes saying Ronnie is more conditioned.
now the onus is on you to disprove 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned.
No need to prove it , it's been posted many times , depending on the writer the best back changes an it's been amended that McGough said Ronnie was unbeatable in 2001 yet you continue to post that quote
in other words, you can't prove it ;)
as for the writer, in case you forgot it was a Flex poll with the writers unanimously agreeing with Ronnie being #1
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
No , no my stupid little friend it doesn't work both ways according to you are your stupid logic , you're the moron who claimed if you believe one quote you're now bound to believe them all , a flawed logic that doesn't apply to you because McGough is right when he claims Ronnie 01 is unbeatable but flat-out wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
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says the idiot who thinks by changing the subject, everyone will forget about the verbal raping he is receiving in this thread.
lol, the onus is on the person making the positive claim. You think Dorian was more conditioned. So prove it. If you have no objective, visual criteria that explains why Dorian was more conditioned, then it's not really "non-subjective" as you say ;)
btw, I already disproved your sources with scientific evidence and pics, and countered them with quotes saying Ronnie is more conditioned.
now the onus is on you to disprove 01 ASC Ronnie was more conditioned.
in other words, you can't prove it ;)
as for the writer, in case you forgot it was a Flex poll with the writers unanimously agreeing with Ronnie being #1
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
says the idiot who thinks by changing the subject, everyone will forget about the verbal raping he is receiving in this thread.
says the guy who can't even stick to the topic , the subject is the best Arnold Classic winner seeing you forgot ;)
lol, the onus is on the person making the positive claim. You think Dorian was more conditioned. So prove it. If you have no objective, visual criteria that explains why Dorian was more conditioned, then it's not really "non-subjective" as you say ;)
No , no my stupid little friend it's YOU who is in disagreement with the facts and no one else is claiming Ronnie was better conditioned so you're against the grain on this one . I provided the expert opinion in which YOU say isn't true , prove your case to the contrary and as usual I'll be waiting for you ;)
btw, I already disproved your sources with scientific evidence and pics, and countered them with quotes saying Ronnie is more conditioned.
Sure you have ::) just like you proved Ronnie's best was 2003 and Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian despite being much lighter and just like you proved balance & proportion are the same thing , you've never proved a single thing you've ever claimed and LMFAO scientific evidence kid you're moving beyond the point of being laughable
as for the writer, in case you forgot it was a Flex poll with the writers unanimously agreeing with Ronnie being #1
Best Back Ever
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
can you get any dumber? just like you not knowing that balance & proportion were two separate things and thinking you copied me verbatim despite changing all of my words around , go learn what unanimously means idiot , when the preface their statement that Dorian had the best back for much of the 90s and many people feel he still does and that they hedged their bets by stating a strong case can be made for him having the best back even today is NOT fucking unanimous you fucking moron
and you clearly forget the many people who feel Dorian does , what makes the Flex poll right and them wrong? a question you've dodged since conception
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/pro-bodybuilders-pictures/best-back-all-time-you-decide-39990-9.html
best back Dorian Yates 358 to 243 , oppssss so much for the Flex poll what about Ronnie himself? how about Samir and Rhul? and Ellington Darden ? this is where I point out your hypocrisy once again , you are bitching I pick and choose the quotes who agree with me and dismiss those who don't , guess who is doing that now? you're an idiot Neo and not a very bright one
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
NO it doesn't not according to you moron and why? you said if you agree with one quote you are bound to every quote they made NOT me these are YOUR words and they were stupid back then just as they are now and I would never be so stupid as to claim this especially on a subjective topic , so once again I will point out your hypocrisy , Neo agrees with McGough when he types 01 best ever and then says outright wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian ontop of your original statement if you use one quote you have to believe everyone they make you're a hypocrite and a dumb one at that
First, I didn't disagree with Peter McGough's claim that Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian.
again your quote
I'm sorry but Peter McGough is an idiot if he thinks 01 ASC Ronnie never surpassed Dorian's conditioning.
hypocrite moron sums you up in a nut-shell
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Isn't it incredible ND how you start a thread titled The Greatest Arnold classic winner ever..and you got all the usual suspects jumping in with the insults and personal endorsement's of there favorite witch in turn is a excuse for rubbishing the other winners of the A/C as well as personal tired old attacks on Yates etc? BTW id say 1993 A/C Flex would be extremely hard to top
I'm glad you noticed same old morons spewing the same old bullshit , hi-jacking the thread with their agenda.
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says the guy who can't even stick to the topic , the subject is the best Arnold Classic winner seeing you forgot
says the idiot who can't even stick to the discussion. You spewed some nonsense. I corrected you. Now you're trying to change the subject to save face. ;)
alright, let's get back on topic. The best Arnold Classic winner is Ronnie... again, you picking Flex shows just how little you know about bodybuilding.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Peter McGough - Flex, August 2005
"Personally, the best physique I ever saw onstage was Ronnie's at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. He was cut, full, trim in the waist and a monster (proving that when you're supersharp, you look superbig) at 244 pounds. Ronnie sporting that look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
No , no my stupid little friend it's YOU who is in disagreement with the facts and no one else is claiming Ronnie was better conditioned so you're against the grain on this one . I provided the expert opinion in which YOU say isn't true , prove your case to the contrary and as usual I'll be waiting for you
on the contrary, you're the one who is in disagreement with the facts. I'm still waiting for you to prove 01 ASC Ronnie wasn't more conditioned than Dorian.
can you get any dumber? just like you not knowing that balance & proportion were two separate things and thinking you copied me verbatim despite changing all of my words around , go learn what unanimously means idiot , when the preface their statement that Dorian had the best back for much of the 90s and many people feel he still does and that they hedged their bets by stating a strong case can be made for him having the best back even today is NOT fucking unanimous you fucking moron
<yawn>
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
NO it doesn't not according to you moron and why? you said if you agree with one quote you are bound to every quote they made NOT me these are YOUR words and they were stupid back then just as they are now and I would never be so stupid as to claim this especially on a subjective topic , so once again I will point out your hypocrisy , Neo agrees with McGough when he types 01 best ever and then says outright wrong when he says Ronnie was never harder or drier than Dorian ontop of your original statement if you use one quote you have to believe everyone they make you're a hypocrite and a dumb one at that
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
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ronnie is better in every way, except calves, and "dryness". but ronnie had more size, more symetry, more aesthetics, more detail, more thickness, more vascularity..
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says the idiot who can't even stick to the discussion. You spewed some nonsense. I corrected you. Now you're trying to change the subject to save face. ;)
alright, let's get back on topic. The best Arnold Classic winner is Ronnie... again, you picking Flex shows just how little you know about bodybuilding.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
on the contrary, you're the one who is in disagreement with the facts. I'm still waiting for you to prove 01 ASC Ronnie wasn't more conditioned than Dorian.
<yawn>
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him.
says the idiot who can't even stick to the discussion. You spewed some nonsense. I corrected you. Now you're trying to change the subject to save face. ;)
It's my discussion and you and the other dummies decided to hi-jack it , you looked for a way out as usual and here I am pointing out everyone one of your ridiculous statements so much for trying to change the subject
lright, let's get back on topic. The best Arnold Classic winner is Ronnie... again, you picking Flex shows just how little you know about bodybuilding.
Team Flex - http://www.flexonline.com/training/49
"We've said before that the 245 pounds or so physique with which [Ronnie Coleman] won the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is the best ever - unbeatable."
Raymond Cassar - Muscletime Editor and Photographer
"There is no one alive that can beat Ronnie Coleman when he is at his best - No One! (and his best for me was when he won the 2001 Arnold Classic)"
http://www.muscletime.com/news/contest-results/2007-mr-olympia-analysis
Shawn Perine Ironage Dec 11, 2004
“As much as I love Haney and my IA champs, I think Ronnie circa '98 or at the 2001 Arnold is pretty much untouchable."
Jim Stoppani - Flex, July 2005
"Has anyone ever displayed a more muscular, more shredded, higher-quality physique than a 247-pound Ronnie Coleman at the 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic?"
Oh so my opinion is wrong LMFAO and your proof is popular opinion gotcha LMFAO I can always rely on you for the weakest of logic and appeals to numbers , and you of all people shouldn't be question anyone's knowledge on bodybuilding , Mr balance & proportion are the same thing and Ronnie's best is 2003 ( thanks for providing popular opinion that it's not ;) dumbass ) and Ronnie carries more mass than Dorian by being much lighter LMFAO
one thing is crystal clear out of the two of it's painfully obvious which one of knows what we're talking about and it sure as fuck ain't you
on the contrary, you're the one who is in disagreement with the facts. I'm still waiting for you to prove 01 ASC Ronnie wasn't more conditioned than Dorian.
what facts? where are the facts? feel free to post the onslaught of ' facts ' that prove Ronnie was better conditioned and what happened to sticking to the topic stupid?
<yawn>
The 20 best backs of all time - Flex, March 2008
1. Ronnie Coleman
typical Neo types ' yawn ' when you're called on being a moron , go learn what unanimous means idiot , and again great job at running from the question , what makes the Flex poll right and others wrong?
"When you're ready to admit that Peter McGough is right about Ronnie having the best back ever and his 01 ASC physique beating every version of Dorian except pre-contest 93, then I will agree with Dorian having better conditioning."
it goes both ways, dumbass. I'm not going to agree with every quote from the same person if you're going to be a fag who thinks the same rules of fairness don't apply to him
I can always tell when you're frustrated because you type the same thing over ! NO dumbass it doesn't go both ways according to you , YOUR dumb claim if you believe one quote from a guy you're bound to believe them all and you're a hypocrite because this doesn't apply to you
So here we are you in another one of my threads being exposed for being the stupid hypocrite hi-jacker you are , trying so hard to sound intelligent and knowledgeable on the subject using the most retarded logic congrats little man you prove me right as usual , keep following me ;)
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lmao @ ND melting down
"Cut it out, you guys. Stop hi-jacking my thread. Quuuiit it. I mean it this time. This is my serious face >:("
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still waiting to hear what makes ND right when he's never even been to any of these contests and all the experts wrong who have seen them live
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lmao @ ND melting down
"thanks a lot for hi-jacking my thread. cut it out, you guys. I mean it. waah waah"
wow real original ' meltdown ' ::) textbook statement of someone who is in way over his head and can no longer respond to facts
No I encourage you to hi-jack my threads you prove me right every single time you decided to follow me like a puppy who is lost looking for their masters attention ;D ;)
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wow real original ' meltdown ' textbook statement of someone who is in way over his head and can no longer respond to facts
No I encourage you to hi-jack my threads you prove me right every single time you decided to follow me like a puppy who is lost looking for their masters attention
brah, still waiting for you to answer ^^^
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brah, still waiting for you to answer ^^^
yeah and I'm still waiting for you to answer my last post dissecting your stupidity and I'm still waiting for this avalanche of proof you keep claiming but I've come to expect that when push comes to shove you can't back up your claims
continue proving me right
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yeah and I'm still waiting for you to answer my last post dissecting your stupidity and I'm still waiting for this avalanche of proof you keep claiming but I've come to expect that when push comes to shove you can't back up your claims
brah, I already proved you wrong several times. I don't feel like repeating myself. Meanwhile, you keep avoiding my questions ;)
I'm still waiting to hear what makes you right and all the experts wrong who have seen them live and say 01 ASC Ronnie is better.
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brah, I already proved you wrong several times. I don't feel like repeating myself. Meanwhile, you keep avoiding my questions ;)
I'm still waiting to hear what makes you right and all the experts wrong who have seen them live and say 01 ASC Ronnie is better.
All you do is repeat yourself and try to mimic me and not verbatim either ;D I never avoided any of your questions and in fact I'm still waiting for you to respond when stifled you have a bad habit of just ignoring my posts typical when you get in over your head
I'm still waiting to hear what makes your poll right and others wrong , still waiting for proof 2003 was his best , I'm still waiting for the proof balance & proportion are the same , I'm still waiting for the proof that Ronnie was better conditioned than Dorian , I'm still waiting for proof that Ronnie carried more muscular bulk than Dorian by weighing considerably lighter , in fact I'm still waiting for you to prove most of your claims and have been for a very long time ;)
I'm also still waiting to hear what makes you right and Ronnie Coleman , Dorian Yates , Peter McGough , Lee Preist , Bev Francis , Markus Rhul , Samir Bannout , Ernie Taylor , Julian Schmidt , Bob Chick , Kris Gethin , Jim Rockell and many others experts who were their live and in person are wrong and you are right
tik tok , tik tok , tik tok ;)
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Flex.. ;)
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brah, I already proved you wrong several times. I don't feel like repeating myself. Meanwhile, you keep avoiding my questions ;)
I'm still waiting to hear what makes you right and all the experts wrong who have seen them live and say 01 ASC Ronnie is better.
man neo remindes me of a little kid, he tends to argue in absolute, which is pretty annoying. :-*
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man neo remindes me of a little kid, he tends to argue in absolute, which is pretty annoying. :-*
He has the mentatlity of a little child too , in fact he the size of a child ;D
he tries so hard to sound intelligent but fails there too , he's an angry little guy give him a break :-\
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NeoSeminole how does it feel constantly being wrong dumbass ? ;)
Flex magazine August 1997
Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of
SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it. It was simply the best physique I had ever seen up to that point.
Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269
pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw
Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not
lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.
Neo you're desperate to prove me wrong because I constantly prove you wrong and you made the fatal mistake of not doing the research , now you just gave me another chance to show everyone how fucking stupid you are ;D
lmfao thought you were onto something and as usual you have nothing fore me ;)
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NeoSeminole how does it feel constantly being wrong dumbass ? ;)
Flex magazine August 1997
Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of
SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it. It was simply the best physique I had ever seen up to that point.
Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269
pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw
Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not
lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.
Neo you're desperate to prove me wrong because I constantly prove you wrong and you made the fatal mistake of not doing the research , now you just gave me another chance to show everyone how fucking stupid you are ;D
lmfao thought you were onto something and as usual you have nothing fore me ;)
neo= proved wrong , he was arguing for like the last 2 pages about this and he just got smacked.
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NeoSeminole how does it feel constantly being wrong dumbass ? ;)
Flex magazine August 1997
Peter McGough on the famous Kevin Horton precontest black & whites of Dorian at 269lbs
I was present when those shots were taken and it was the most stunning unveiling of a physique these peepers had seen since my intial view of
SERGIO OLIVA at the 1971 NABBA Mr Universe. that day , Dorian's physique blew my - if not his own -socks off.
Peter McGough
He was 269 pounds of rock-hard shapely (yes, shapely) head-to-toe muscle. I had never seen anything like it. It was simply the best physique I had ever seen up to that point.
Peter McGough Ironage
June 06 , 2003
The later photos were taken in his gym about seven weeks before the 1993 Olympia. He'd just finished a chest workout and he weighed 269
pounds. If I had to rate my most memorable bodybuilding moment the sight of Dorian that day would be neck-and-neck with the first time I saw
Sergio. He hit the first shot, double biceps, and I walked up to him and said, "Don't worry Dorian. You have plenty of time to fix this. All is not
lost."
I told him he could walk on to the Olympia stage in that condition weighing 269 pounds, untanned, with his socks on and still win.
Neo you're desperate to prove me wrong because I constantly prove you wrong and you made the fatal mistake of not doing the research , now you just gave me another chance to show everyone how fucking stupid you are ;D
lmfao thought you were onto something and as usual you have nothing fore me ;)
Yeah....but what makes this the definitive, unimpeachable statement that you present it as ?
It's a quote from an English writer about his acknowledged friend in a fucking BBing rag...what makes it law...seriously?
Those magazines are 100% hyperbole from cover to cover...to take it literally is ludicrous. and this goes for ALL "quotes" ::) pro or con.
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Yeah....but what makes this the definitive, unimpeachable statement that you present it as ?
It's a quote from an English writer about his acknowledged friend in a fucking BBing rag...what makes it law...seriously?
Those magazines are 100% hyperbole from cover to cover...to take it literally is ludicrous. and this goes for ALL "quotes" ::) pro or con.
Nah, you missed there argument Groink. Neo said that Mcgough wasnt present when those photos were taken, and was calling ND a lier, so ND is showing him the proof that Mcough was there.
So much Drama in teh GETBIG. ;D
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Nah, you missed there argument Groink. Neo said that Mcgough wasnt present when those photos were taken, and was calling ND a lier, so ND is showing him the proof that Mcough was there.
So much Drama in teh GETBIG. ;D
It's irrelevant to me dude.
My point is they are sensationalized rags for kids.
It's like Entertainment Weekly calling every other movie that comes out "The Best Movie Of The Year!!!!" ::) ::)
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Meh. I think its all irrelevent, because everyone has there opinion. Hulkster just pisses me off cause he tries to tout his opinion as fact. All the others tho, meh.
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Meh. I think its all irrelevent, because everyone has there opinion. Hulkster just pisses me off cause he tries to tout his opinion as fact. All the others tho, meh.
yeah i'm new here and everytime i read one of his posts it sickens me, because he's such a biased douche monster
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lol @ ND reading the Truce thread and posting his response in here to preserve his claim that he "doesn't post in there anymore" ;D
it's so easy to ruffle your feathers
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lol @ ND reading the Truce thread and posting his response in here to preserve his claim that he "doesn't post in there anymore" ;D
it's so easy to ruffle your feathers
Very poor attempt at deflection because you're owned ;)
how does it feel always being wrong Neo? must suck :D
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Very poor attempt at deflection because you're owned ;)
how does it feel always being wrong Neo? must suck :D
lmao hahahah smack
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Very poor attempt at deflection because you're owned
deflection? lol. Says the guy who got owned by yours truly and kept accusing me of not sticking to the thread topic ;D
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deflection? lol. Says the guy who got owned by yours truly and kept accusing me of not sticking to the thread topic ;D
Oh now you want to stick to the topic when I exposed your bullshit , gotcha ;) you get beat over the head for following me into another thread , you beat over the head with with a tore apart your ' argument ' and the final nail in the coffin was this pathetic attempt to call me a liar , as usual you think you struck gold and you have nothing
you're to desperate to prove me wrong and you always fail , nothing new ;) run along now puppy before I rub your nose in your shit again ;D
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ND knocking out contenders on a consistent basis.
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Oh now you want to stick to the topic when I exposed your bullshit , gotcha you get beat over the head for following me into another thread , you beat over the head with with a tore apart your ' argument ' and the final nail in the coffin was this pathetic attempt to call me a liar , as usual you think you struck gold and you have nothing
brah, I couldn't care less which topic you want to talk about. I come here for entertainment unlike you, who clearly comes here to satiate his inferiority complex. Just compare our number of posts on Dorian vs Ronnie ;) All I'm saying is don't be a fag who thinks it's ok to be a hypocrite but the rules of fairness apply to everyone else. Pick a subject and stick to it. However, don't cry after I deliver a verbal beat-down on your flower boy ass.
you're to desperate to prove me wrong and you always fail , nothing new
lol, huh? I just copied and posted a quote from Dorian and Peter McGough who both said Peter only saw the pics. The only one who is desperate is you for taking the time to read the Truce thread (which you claim you gave up on), save a screencap, upload it to Getbig, and make a post about it ;)
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brah, I couldn't care less which topic you want to talk about. I come here for entertainment unlike you, who clearly comes here to satiate his inferiority complex. Just compare our number of posts on Dorian vs Ronnie ;) All I'm saying is don't be a fag who thinks it's ok to be a hypocrite but the rules of fairness apply to everyone else. Pick a subject and stick to it. However, don't cry after I deliver a verbal beat-down on your flower boy ass.
lol, huh? I just copied and posted a quote from Dorian and Peter McGough who both said Peter only saw the pics. The only one who is desperate is you for taking the time to read the Truce thread (which you claim you gave up on), save a screencap, upload it to Getbig, and make a post about it ;)
brah, I couldn't care less which topic you want to talk about. I come here for entertainment unlike you, who clearly comes here to satiate his inferiority complex. Just compare our number of posts on Dorian vs Ronnie ;) All I'm saying is don't be a fag who thinks it's ok to be a hypocrite but the rules of fairness apply to everyone else. Pick a subject and stick to it. However, don't cry after I deliver a verbal beat-down on your flower boy ass.
pathetic attempt at damage control
lol, huh? I just copied and posted a quote from Dorian and Peter McGough who both said Peter only saw the pics. The only one who is desperate is you for taking the time to read the Truce thread (which you claim you gave up on), save a screencap, upload it to Getbig, and make a post about it ;)
still trying to save face lol it's not working the more you try and down play it the more it shows how butt-hurt you are , you made a claim that I lied because you're desperate to try and equal the score and you as usual fell flat on your face because you didn't know what you were talking about. you threw caution to the wind because you thought you finally caught me lol another Neo backfire ;)
I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it ;D
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ND knocking out contenders on a consistent basis.
;D
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Flex.. ;)
lets all agree that ronnie couldn't of even touched this, the detail and shape would blow ron away.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=365424;image)
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(http://ronniecoleman.com/images/doug-schneider/2001_rc3.jpg)
comparable leaness, but flex never had mass like this:
(http://ronniecoleman.com/images/doug-schneider/2001_rc1.jpg)
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(http://ronniecoleman.com/images/doug-schneider/2001_rc3.jpg)
comparable leaness, but flex never had mass like this:
(http://ronniecoleman.com/images/doug-schneider/2001_rc1.jpg)
what contest is that from his back looks smaller then usual.
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what contest is that from his back looks smaller then usual.
It is I think that's from 2001
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pathetic attempt at damage control
come at bro ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
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what contest is that from his back looks smaller then usual.
I'll take that as a complement for Ronnie.
:)
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It is I think that's from 2001
You're a walking encyclopedia.
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You're a walking encyclopedia.
it's kinda creepy how he knows so much about oiled up men in thongs
I bet he even knows what color trunks each competitor wore that yr :-\
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it's kinda creepy how he knows so much about oiled up men in thongs
I bet he even knows what color trunks each competitor wore that yr :-\
Says the guy who wants me to ' swallow ' his milkshake :-X
It's called reading you may want to do some of it before you commit to those insanely stupid comments you make this way you wont get constantly corrected on your ignorance ;)
and these are your words NOT mine :-X
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Says the guy who wants me to ' swallow ' his milkshake
says the guy who tells other men he drinks their "milkshake" :-X
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says the guy who tells other men he drinks their "milkshake" :-X
You didn't get the reference okay but who changed it to ND wants to ' swallow ' my milkshake , very Gay bro , what would Freud say? :-X keep singing songs to men in thongs lmao
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You didn't get the reference okay but who changed it to ND wants to ' swallow ' my milkshake , very Gay bro , what would Freud say? keep singing songs to men in thongs lmao
brah, I didn't change anything. Those are your words. Who says "I drink your milkshake," followed by a gay wink, to another man? Next you're gonna tell me you fondle my balls and accuse me of changing your words :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
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brah, I didn't change anything. Those are your words. Who says "I drink your milkshake," followed by a gay wink, to another man? Next you're gonna tell me you fondle my balls and accuse me of changing your words :-\
(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
You did change my words stupid again what does that say about you? and it was in reference to you getting owned as usual and YOU turned it into something that's on your mind :-X
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You did change my words stupid again what does that say about you? and it was in reference to you getting owned as usual and YOU turned it into something that's on your mind
how did I change your words if u said you drink my milkshake? lol. Last time I checked, that means you swallow
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how did I change your words if u said you drink my milkshake? lol. Last time I checked, that means you swallow
no you copied me verbatim lmfao
you changed it to swallow because you're a little angry homo
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no you copied me verbatim lmfao
you changed it to swallow because you're a little angry homo
damm guys alot of gay bashing here why don't you two have a weekend alone together camping, dingle berry fishing, pitchin a couple tents, tossin some salad you both would love it. ;) ;)
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Gotta love the "Print Scrn" key...
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ND, screencap this u fag
I'm whipping up another milkshake for you just the way you like it ;)
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(http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h29/NeoSeminole/Dorian%20Yates/NDisaFag1.jpg)
lol at the Hulkster reference. You two are inseparable.
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ND, screencap this u fag
I'm whipping up another milkshake for you just the way you like it ;)
Ronnie is gonna be jealous :-X
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It is I think that's from 2001
Yep.. 2001 Mr.Olympia.. 8)
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Perfect shape, couldn't draw a better picture. Perfect lines, rightfully rewarded. Condition to match. Perfect symmetry.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=365185;image)
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Perfect shape, couldn't draw a better picture. Perfect lines, rightfully rewarded. Condition to match. Perfect symmetry.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=365185;image)
yep does look good, you just need to stop letting him get you in the rear your over exaggerating, no he's not perfect here but your right almost if he just had the hardness that is dorian it would.
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Perfect shape, couldn't draw a better picture. Perfect lines, rightfully rewarded. Condition to match. Perfect symmetry.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=325356.0;attach=365185;image)
Ass to big for back, legs to big for calves, slightly inferior conditioning. But still top 2, no doubt.
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Ass to big for back, legs to big for calves, slightly inferior conditioning. But still top 2, no doubt.
brah, the fact you have to nitpick on such minute details is a compliment to how great Ronnie is. "Ass too big, legs too big for calves" ::)
much better than missing arms, a blocky midsection, worse definition, folds of loose skin, and calves too big for thighs
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brah, the fact you have to nitpick on such minute details is a compliment to how great Ronnie is. "Ass too big, legs too big for calves" ::)
much better than missing arms, a blocky midsection, worse definition, folds of loose skin, and calves too big for thighs
ronnie also looks smooth compared to dorian in that pic
missing arms??? Dorian's arms were amazing
worse definition??? dude sounds child like maybe less defined
Folds of loose skin ???? thats dumb I've never seen emm, at least not enough to be an issue he's not jay
and no his calves are not to big for his thighs(except for 1996 o)
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ronnie also looks smooth compared to dorian in that pic
what pic are you looking at?!? Ronnie has a striated lower back and glutes. By comparison, Dorian looks a block of play-dough which someone forget to mold separations and striations.
missing arms? Dorian's arms were amazing
post some pics b/c every pic I've seen of him flaring out his lats makes his arms look like toothpicks
Folds of loose skin? thats dumb I've never seen emm
you're not looking hard enough
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A bit off topic... but Ronnie's Glutes are way too big, (No Homo), and distract from his physique.
Just sayin.
M!
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what pic are you looking at?!? Ronnie has a striated lower back and glutes. By comparison, Dorian looks a block of play-dough which someone forget to mold separations and striations.
post some pics b/c every pic I've seen of him flaring out his lats makes his arms look like toothpicks
you're not looking hard enough
like I said not an issue well for me anyway, like maybe jay thats an obvious issue.
and imo Ronnie's lower back was never as good as Dorian's
ovs Ronnie's glutes are amazing they always do even when hes off.
and when somebody freshly smoldered dog shit together they forgot to take it out of the toilet to dry off a little.( something like that)lol
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post some pics b/c every pic I've seen of him flaring out his lats makes his arms look like toothpicks
I thought you were talking about arms in general not just only this pose.
but that said yeah they usually do look like toothpics in this pose but it's not an arm pose so it doesn't take away to much unless it's 1996 dorian version here his arms and legs were a little small.