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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Stavios on October 03, 2011, 10:05:56 PM
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
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wtf?
that dude even works out?
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wtf?
that dude even works out?
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that's a lean, natural dude with a natural skin tone and a few years in the gym
gets a lot of compliments at the beach and at the gym and yes he has a good looking athletic built
also he isn't doing a pose, he is just "standing there"
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
I win.
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I win.
yes
but you are flexing in perfect lightning tho, he is just standing there relaxed outside at the beach
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yes
but you are flexing in perfect lightning tho, he is just standing there relaxed outside at the beach
And he needs to lose some fat.
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love it when stav gets authoritative, also what do u mean natural skin tone, how does aas change skin tone?
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And he needs to lose some fat.
if he wanted to do a bodybuilding show, yes
for the everyday life he is fine
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if he wanted to do a bodybuilding show, yes
for the everyday life he is fine
That depends. If someone asks to see his abs and he pulls up his shirt and that nasty mess is what gets unsheathed, people will then ask "I thought you worked out".
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love it when stav gets authoritative, also what do u mean natural skin tone, how does aas change skin tone?
veins are more visible when on aas and since the muscle is fuller it pushes against the skin so the skin is thigher and sit better on the muscle
don't know if it makes sense but my english sucks
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that's kind of what I figured, I thought you meant like the color or texture of the skin
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for example, same guy again on the left
on the right, I don't know who that is but he is on some roids whatever they are
skin is just tighter around the muscle, the 2 are probably the same bodyfat
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for example, same guy again on the left
on the right, I don't know who that is but he is on some roids whatever they are
Please end your posts right here. You are being a moron. You chose to juice at a young age so you have zero conception of what can be attained naturally. Both in those pictures are easily obtainable and you are a delusional beyond belief if either require roids of any kind.
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Please end your posts right here. You are being a moron. You chose to juice at a young age so you have zero conception of what can be attained naturally. Both in those pictures are easily obtainable and you are a delusional beyond belief if either require roids of any kind.
I have a pretty good conception of what can be attained naturally because the naturals who have been training for a few years all come to me at the gym to ask me: BRO ! What am I doing wrong, why have I looked the same for a while
and they are all the same approximative size.
all of them
and I tell to all of them: if you want to be bigger than that just take roids
because that's the truth
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I have a pretty good conception of what can be attained naturally because the naturals who have been training for a few years all come to me at the gym to ask me: BRO ! What am I doing wrong, why have I looked the same for a while
and they are all the same approximative size.
all of them
and I tell to all of them: if you want to be bigger than that just take roids
because that's the truth
I don`t dispute that notion at all, but just saying anyone with a six pack and a little bit of deltoid must automatically be on roids is just rather silly. I know you know better than this.
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I don`t dispute that notion at all, but just saying anyone with a six pack and a little bit of deltoid must automatically be on roids is just rather silly. I know you know better than this.
of course.
I just think that particular dude is on roids.
usually I am right with my assumptions
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I win.
If it was six years ago.
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If it was six years ago.
I look the same right now but I am trying to fix that by doing 6-7 day a week training sessions.
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Adam, you are pumped in that pic and it was taken with very shadowed lighting to enhance your lines. Actually you are not as lean as you like people to think. Show us your back shots and we will see how much fat you have on your back and legs.
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Adam, you are pumped in that pic and it was taken with very shadowed lighting to enhance your lines. Actually you are not as lean as you like people to think. Show us your back shots and we will see how much fat you have on your back and legs.
Working on that as well. I am trying right now to get in the best natural shape as I possibly can at the moment and then I want Getbig to decide where I should go from there.
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Fair enough Adam. I actually look forward to seeing you shredded.
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
Great example man..
Although he could look a slight better...if his diet, training and rest were 100% (which i believe they arent, gotta have a life shouldnt he? ;D)
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as usual... stavios is correct.
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Thats not a good natural after 7 years of training sorry.
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http://www.xvideos.com/video857595/short_hair_hottie_in_pink_anal_creamed_3of3
all natural
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i agree i have a friend that has did fitness modeling new him since we where babies he has expermented with steroids of late but i will post his natural pic in a sec
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Please end your posts right here. You are being a moron. You chose to juice at a young age so you have zero conception of what can be attained naturally. Both in those pictures are easily obtainable and you are a delusional beyond belief if either require roids of any kind.
Exactly - You should post this on a few other threads here where Gfake15 claims you can't build more than 10 pounds of muscle naturally and that you can't maintain a lean physique of any kind naturally.
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"approximative"
good word. Is it real?
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he was completly natural in this pic eats a shit diet mcdonalds and pizza daily. He looked a lot larger in real life not a monster but perfect for getting girls
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I win.
You always look like you're tweakin' out. Relax the face. Let's see some new pics already.
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Thats not a good natural after 7 years of training sorry.
x2. A friend of mine ;) below natural after ~10 years training. I doubt he'd even say he was a good natural, since he's kind of a humble dude.
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x2. A friend of mine ;) below natural after ~10 years training. I doubt he'd even say he was a good natural, since he's kind of a humble dude.
isnt natural
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isnt natural
:D OK. If I were him, I'd take that as a great compliment...
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:D OK. If I were him, I'd take that as a great compliment...
Exactly - Another opinion from a drugged up moron
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isnt natural
Thats the problem you see, the line becomes blurred when talking about gifted naturals who have put time in.
Of course drug users and guys wih bad genetics dont want to admit what can be achieved because its a closed door to them.
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You can look really good as a natural, you just won't be much over #185-200 at anything resembling leanish condition at a normal height with great genetics.
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Stephan,+Alan .
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Farbotnik,+John .
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Stanko,+Steve .
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence .
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Eiferman,+George .
Those were the the larger famous guys of the pre-steriod era. All the supps, nutrition and training isn't going to make you much bigger than them, only a friendly relationship with a pharmacist will.
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It is amazing the low expectation of most Getbiggers. I could put on at least 40 lbs of muscle on anyone here naturally. I am an expert on physiology and kinesiology.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It is amazing the low expectation of most Getbiggers. I could put on at least 40 lbs of muscle on anyone here naturally. I am an expert on physiology and kinesiology.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You're an anonymous German Shepherd rapist.
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I think what Stavios and Chess315 posted is what a true natural looks like after 5+ years of training.
The problem is that today there are so many AAS users claiming to be natural that it screws up the average persons reality of what is obtainable without drugs.
Then you have idiots talking about Ronnie Coleman becoming a Pro as a natural and all that nonsense.
The pictures that Stav and Chess posted are what a true natural looks like. You can usually spot a juicer quickly due to the redness of the skin and water retention.
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(http://www.bodyresource.nl/forum/imgcache/21652.png)(http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/resources/cordova_thick.jpg?timestamp=1266470615826)
Layne Norton says he is natural so it must be true ::)
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I think what Stavios and Chess315 posted is what a true natural looks like after 5+ years of training.
The problem is that today there are so many AAS users claiming to be natural that it screws up the average persons reality of what is obtainable without drugs.
Then you have idiots talking about Ronnie Coleman becoming a Pro as a natural and all that nonsense.
The pictures that Stav and Chess posted are what a true natural looks like. You can usually spot a juicer quickly due to the redness of the skin and water retention.
Sorry but that guy has a bad build, someone with good genetics will surpass that by a lot natural.
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pretty much op, but I always think people look ridiculous when they remove their body hair but look white as a ghost and not that "steroid ripped"
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nope, someone with good genetics for mass will be slightly bigger and also fatter
diet him down with no drugs and he would look pretty much like the guy I posted
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nope, someone with good genetics for mass will be slightly bigger and also fatter
diet him down with no drugs and he would look pretty much like the guy I posted
Exactly.
Like i said, SO many people have a flawed reality of what a REAL natural looks like.
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Exactly.
Like i said, SO many people have a flawed reality of what a REAL natural looks like.
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you guys see my thread this weekend about my pics? that's years and years of training lol, I'm afraid to say how many :-\
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you guys see my thread this weekend about my pics? that's years and years of training lol, I'm afraid to say how many :-\
I don't so, where is it
on the gossip board ?
edit: just saw it, you look good man !
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
B R A V O ,,
this is indeed natural physiqe,, finaly! someone show it here,,by the way this fella will look great when diet down to competition ,, small ...but great!
gh15 approved
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I don't so, where is it
on the gossip board ?
edit: just saw it, you look good man !
keep educating people on what natural looks like, it gets frustrating when people claim you have the worst genetics because you look natural and will tell a fake natural he has great genetics because he's juicing
people always forget about normal genetics
bad genetics would be those guys who get ridiculed at work because they're so thin, but in bodybuilding they will say bad genetics when you are still under 200lbs after some years
bb.com and t-nation is loaded with people who are convinced that if you are not lean 200lbs minimum (6' lets say) your training, nutrition, and or genetics suck
it's not even funny anymore
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x2. A friend of mine ;) below natural after ~10 years training. I doubt he'd even say he was a good natural, since he's kind of a humble dude.
Do humble dudes flex shirtless in the gym?
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That depends. If someone asks to see his abs and he pulls up his shirt
Does this actually happen?
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how can small be great?
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how can small be great?
no size, no life
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no size, no life
To thin to win,to light to fight
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It is amazing the low expectation of most Getbiggers. I could put on at least 40 lbs of muscle on anyone here naturally. I am an expert on physiology and kinesiology.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
THIS
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THIS
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how can small be great?
small can be greatif it is conditioned ...ofcourse it can not win a national show,, but small can be great if it is conditioned size,, it can ,, iworked with many smaller fellas 165lb conditioned,, theylooked real real good ,, ofcourse with shirt on yuo woudlnt think they touched weights lol well this is exaguration ..since you can tell how lean they are and yuo can see muscle moving on theback and elsewhere...but over all conditioned size is good at any weight that is in balance with yuor height,,
ofcourse 140lb 5'11 will not look good no matter what ,, no matter how condition you wil be140lb 5'11 is just too thin too skinny or thin depends on the build of thefella
gh15 approved
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small can be greatif it is conditioned ...ofcourse it can not win a national show,, but small can be great if it is conditioned size,, it can ,, iworked with many smaller fellas 165lb conditioned,, theylooked real real good ,, ofcourse with shirt on yuo woudlnt think they touched weights lol well this is exaguration ..since you can tell how lean they are and yuo can see muscle moving on theback and elsewhere...but over all conditioned size is good at any weight that is in balance with yuor height,,
ofcourse 140lb 5'11 will not look good no matter what ,, no matter how condition you wil be140lb 5'11 is just too thin too skinny or thin depends on the build of thefella
gh15 approved
I agree with you 100% (makes a change doesn't it?! ;))
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nope, someone with good genetics for mass will be slightly bigger and also fatter
diet him down with no drugs and he would look pretty much like the guy I posted
He doesnt carry muscle well, lacks seperation, shape and condition.
I have seen far better naturals, true naturals. No you wont be 250 lb, its illusion and this guy doesnt have the genetics to create much of an illusion.
Lol at this guy being the pinnacle of natty training. Just accept that some people are more gifted than others, the same can be said with drug usage.
There is a cutoff with weight though granted. But no two 200lb guys will look exaxtly alike and thats where the individual traits come in.
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H But no two 200lb guys will look exaxtly alike and thats where the individual traits come in.
THIS I AGREE.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhh where to begin on this one...
Stavios, thanks for displaying a true natural. This is what most every and all naturals look like who train hard, but aren't necessarily dieting, but keeping their everyday look.
Next, why is it that every natural must post a picture with the best light, at some awkard angle, which usually does not display their entire physique?? I understand you want to show yourself looking at your best, but to then take that and compare it to how you really look on a day to day like the pic Stav posted is ridiculous.
PureNaturalStrength, thank you for your thread. That is what a good natural looks like without overdisplaying yourself or over emphasizing only your good body parts.
Suckmymuscle... do you realize what 40 lbs of muscle is? Not water, not fat, but natural lean muscle mass??? I hung around 210 at about 12% bf when I was natural. I highly doubt you could have added 40 lbs of natural lean muscle mass to that physique. You claim 40 lbs AT LEAST naturally on ANYONE here though... don't be stupid.
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a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.
how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso
1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.
2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"
3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.
4- CLEAN, the tough one.
im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.
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a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.
how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso
1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.
2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"
3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.
4- CLEAN, the tough one.
im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.
I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED. NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.
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even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.
it cannot be done, 10lbs tops
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it cannot be done, 10lbs tops
L0L. EDIT THAT. IF Y0U MEAN AFTER THE THE INITIAL 2-3 YEAR STAGE THEN I AGREE.
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a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.
how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso
1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.
2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"
3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.
4- CLEAN, the tough one.
im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.
When I got married at 24 I was 13st 2. I was 14st 12 at the same bodyfat (12-15%) 16 years later last year.
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a question, since i didnt think it was worth a thread ill ask it here.
how many people have gained 20 lbs (approx., i mean significant noticable gains), with these proviso
1- NOT NEWBIE gains, meaning you had never worked out or eaten with the purpose to grow ever before. lets say at least 5 years training, AFTER which you put on an additional 20 lbs.
2- LEAN WEIGHT, obviously some fat is always put on, but im talkng you are gaining more muscle than fat, not a 15 pounds of fat, 5 pounds muscle "bulk cycle"
3- ADULT GAINS, not 'well i started lifting at 15, now im 20 and gained xxx weight'. that doesnt count, because going through puberty adds weight/muscle without touching a weight, or even really trying to eat to gain.
4- CLEAN, the tough one.
im just curious. even if it took 10 years after the initial 'newbie' growth spurt, im wondering how many have put on 20 lean pounds as an adult, drug free.
haha I like this question
this is me in 2005 on the left
2008 on the right
that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !
now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right
so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
this exactly describes me to a T before I started juicing. same stats and everything. Couldn't be any more accurate
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I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED. NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.
yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.
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yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.
WELL THEY'RE STILL REAL GAINS BECAUSE THE WEIGHT TRAINING PUT M0ST 0F THE WEIGHT 0N. IF I NEVER LIFTED I'D BE AR0UND 160 LBS. 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE LESS THAN WHAT I AM N0W.
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When I got married at 24 I was 13st 2. I was 14st 12 at the same bodyfat (12-15%) 16 years later last year.
excellent, thats about 15 pounds gained? were you relatively the same leaness? also, had you been working out consistently before the age of 24?
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yes thats why i said "not during puberty" or "not newbie gains", i personally went from 150 to 175 over 3-4 years, but it was newb growth and in my late teens to around 21 - a time when anyone with testicles can grow. im asking about REAL gains.
Exactly. I started training as an 10 and a half stone skinny teenager but used my example from age 24.
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haha I like this question
this is me in 2005 on the left
2008 on the right
that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !
now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right
so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year
Sounds about right. 5 pounds a year on drugs and 1-2 pounds a year natural (of pure muscle)
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WELL THEY'RE STILL REAL GAINS BECAUSE THE WEIGHT TRAINING PUT M0ST 0F THE WEIGHT 0N. IF I NEVER LIFTED I'D BE AR0UND 160 LBS. 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE LESS THAN WHAT I AM N0W.
how much have you gained since this initial spurt? (no homo)
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He doesnt carry muscle well, lacks seperation, shape and condition.
I have seen far better naturals, true naturals. No you wont be 250 lb, its illusion and this guy doesnt have the genetics to create much of an illusion.
Post a picture of what you believe the natural limit is.
It's hard to know who a "true" natural is because the only person who really knows is the person in question. It is possible to use certain steroids and not look like it. 90% of the "natural" pictures i see on the internet are not of natural lifters, but again the only person who knows the truth is the person in question.
It better not be Layne Norton.
Also, it's impossible to gain more than 5 pounds of solid muscle a year for a lifter who has been training for more than a year.
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how much have you gained since this initial spurt? (no homo)
I'M CURRENTLY 5 11 180. I'D PR0BABLY BE 160 LBS RIGHT N0W IF I NEVER LIFTED.
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excellent, thats about 15 pounds gained? were you relatively the same leaness? also, had you been working out consistently before the age of 24?
24 pounds matey in 16 years. Started at 15 when a very skinny 10 and half stone. I am now experimenting to see how lean I can get and hold this condition ala Clarence bass!
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L0L. EDIT THAT. IF Y0U MEAN AFTER THE THE INITIAL 2-3 YEAR STAGE THEN I AGREE.
I mean after that stage yes
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why do people give adonis credit for being natural in those pics ;[
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why do people give adonis credit for being natural in those pics ;[
don't like arguing ;D
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24 pounds matey in 16 years. Started at 15 when a very skinny 10 and half stone. I am now experimenting to see how lean I can get and hold this condition ala Clarence bass!
heh thats the worst part, you work so hard to build every ounce natural, but to lean out you have to sacrifice so much it seems not worth it almost.
good luck.
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don't like arguing ;D
HE SAID HE STARTED 0UT AT 5 8 110 LBS. HE THINKS EVERY0NE IS 0N R0IDS.
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heh thats the worst part, you work so hard to build every ounce natural, but to lean out you have to sacrifice so much it seems not worth it almost.
good luck.
Yeh but you can take lay offs for weeks if you need too and not lose any muscle when natural.
Thanks. I am losing slowly, just like with the building of it, I am in no hurry, I am lean enough to start with that any lost is just progress. Aiming to lose just 1 to 1.5 pounds of fat a week.
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haha I like this question
this is me in 2005 on the left
2008 on the right
that is a 15 lbs gain, in 3 years !
now in 2001 I would be about 15 lbs bigger than the picture on the right
so ON DRUGS, I gain about 5 lbs a year
Stav, the photo on the right is 3 years old... is this the last time you competed? You look awesome bro. When are you going to step on stage again, I gotta assume you look leaps and bounds better now 3 years later!
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Stav, the photo on the right is 3 years old... is this the last time you competed? You look awesome bro. When are you going to step on stage again, I gotta assume you look leaps and bounds better now 3 years later!
yeah it was from 2008 !
I am not much better but I am bigger for sure
I was 193 at my last show
here are 2 pictures from this year
one is at 223 lbs and the fatter one I was a bit over 240
I am around 240 at the moment
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yeah it was from 2008 !
I am not much better but I am bigger for sure
I was 193 at my last show
here are 2 pictures from this year
one is at 223 lbs and the fatter one I was a bit over 240
I am around 240 at the moment
big dude,look good both pics,diet that look on stage 10lbs heavier than few yrs ago look out.
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Keep the hair stav, balds no good.
everybody guy tell me that and every woman tell me I look hotter without hair ;D
I look better without the goatee thought, I shaved it and I keep a 2 days beard instead
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Bald head + Goatee = Typical thug douchebag look
Full head of hair + clean face = Sophisticated bro-scientist look
You know what to do brother. ;D
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Bald head + Goatee = Typical thug douchebag look
Full head of hair + clean face = Sophisticated bro-scientist look
You know what to do brother. ;D
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full head of hair plus clean face looks very bad on me I look like a kid (see pictures from my show 8))
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I didn't read the 3 last pages but the guy in the first page looks like a poo for 7 years of training, even though he is natural.
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Thats the problem you see, the line becomes blurred when talking about gifted naturals who have put time in.
Of course drug users and guys wih bad genetics dont want to admit what can be achieved because its a closed door to them.
QFT
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I STARTED AT 155 LBS 5 11 AND PUT 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE DRUG FREE IN 3 YEARS 0F TRAINING. DURING THIS TIME I WAS ALS0 G0ING THR0UGH A GR0WTH SPURT AS I WAS 17 WHEN I STARTED. NATURALS MAX 0UT AFTER 2-3 YEARS. THEY D0N'T KEEP MAKING GAINS YEAR AFTER YEAR. PAST THE 3RD YEAR, Y0U CAN GET STR0NGER BUT N0T BIGGER.
Exact science huh?
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I have a pretty good conception of what can be attained naturally because the naturals who have been training for a few years all come to me at the gym to ask me: BRO ! What am I doing wrong, why have I looked the same for a while
and they are all the same approximative size.
all of them
and I tell to all of them: if you want to be bigger than that just take roids
because that's the truth
and your concept of what can be achieved applies to 5+ billion people??
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Exact science huh?
IF IT WASN'T THE CASE WE'D SEE NATURALS WALKING AR0UND AT 300 LBS 0F MUSCLE MASS 0FF SEAS0N. R0ID USERS PUT 0N 5 LBS 0F MUSCLE EVERY YEAR N0T NATURALS.
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(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/RossClarence_1.jpg)
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence
picture from 40s or early 50s
This being a good example of a what natural can achieve at best, if genetics, diet, training is optimal
5'9" 185 lean probably 175 contest shape
Fits well according to gh15 guidelines too
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Do humble dudes flex shirtless in the gym?
Only when it's a photoshoot in an empty gym...
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its been a misconception that natural guys hate on juicers.. its actually the other way around....
it seems that in a juicers mind ... whatever level he started taking drugs at is the benchmark for all natural..
and no natural can look good or better than them WRONG..... !
what does a peron who has trained let for argument sake say 2 yrs natural then took drugs.. know about every natural on Earth... guys who have been training10 20 yrs natural.... ???
these bards have become totally ridiculous..
anyway.... my 2 cents
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mes out
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IF IT WASN'T THE CASE WE'D SEE NATURALS WALKING AR0UND AT 300 LBS 0F MUSCLE MASS 0FF SEAS0N. R0ID USERS PUT 0N 5 LBS 0F MUSCLE EVERY YEAR N0T NATURALS.
Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.
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(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/RossClarence_1.jpg)
http://musclememory.com/show.php?a=Ross,+Clarence
picture from 40s or early 50s
This being a good example of a what natural can achieve at best, if genetics, diet, training is optimal
5'9" 185 lean probably 175 contest shape
Fits well according to gh15 guidelines too
Why is it asumed that a rich nancy boy with nothing but time to sculpt his physique has the right genetics to be the natural epitome? Also training and nutrition were not optimal at the time imo.
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Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.
it is like this ,, ill tell you how the natural mind work lol
2 year natural ,, on some protien pwoder the infamous weight gainer lol and creatine diahreeas....
then another 6 months on diff creatinethat doesnt cause diarea lol and then bcaa and what other balonieisthere ? lol ummmm bcaa and GLUTAMIN lol yes glutamine...
and then at the 3 year mark! the true natural go to .... pro hormones! ,, he go to pro hormones or designer steroids ...now this.... is steroids my friends,, but we forgivehim for that lol so he uses halodrol or superdrol or whatever designer REAL steroids out there....and gain his 10lb and this dont go away anywhere...he keep them so sudenly the so call true natural isno more 178lb but he is 188! lol and he is hormonized but he is forgiven and remain natural since he did it only ....for ....7 weeks or 5 weeks so it doesnt count,,so that 8-10 lb dont count ...he is forgiven lol
thennnn in the 4 year mark the peptides come in ... lol and the esterless compounds lol ,, the peptides ofcourse are for research so it is natural ,, everyone sell them ,, look online lol every boarding has them free for everyone to use lol 40 dolaros and you got peptides who put water into muscle lol so it is used by naturals ,,
and ofcourse on top of that ANTI ESTROGENS AND AROMATZE INHIBITOR...FOR RESEARCH USED ALL OVER BY TRUE NTURALS..
so sadly this is true natural for you today ,, some fellasdo it with out all this ...and only use some halodrol at one time and creatine,, those are the only one who are close to true naturals....
this is the truth my friends,, this si the truth!
gh15 approved
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Not everyone has the same potential and you are suggesting that everyone maxes out at that 3 year figure.. not saying gains are huge, might even be barely noticible, but they add up over the years. Sure the main bulk of your size gains will come in the first 3 to 5 years but after that with consistancy one can continue to slowly gain size, strength, lose fat/while keeping muscle over the years, an generaly have a tighter more complete and impressive phsysique in the long run. After the 5 year mark I'd say the improvements are small and more fine tuning but they will be there with some work.
I agree with this, but all that work and all those years and those hours in the gym, cooking meals, making sure you do everything right, and spending money on all those pre-workouts and creatine and all that, for just minimal (barely noticeable) gains each year that if your lucky and have the genetics may compound to look decent after several years while some guy on juice for 6 months can blow your physique out of the water?? Doesn't sound worth it to me and I've been on both sides of the spectrum... 8 years natural training, 2 years sauced.
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it is like this ,, ill tell you how the natural mind work lol
2 year natural ,, on some protien pwoder the infamous weight gainer lol and creatine diahreeas....
then another 6 months on diff creatinethat doesnt cause diarea lol and then bcaa and what other balonieisthere ? lol ummmm bcaa and GLUTAMIN lol yes glutamine...
and then at the 3 year mark! the true natural go to .... pro hormones! ,, he go to pro hormones or designer steroids ...now this.... is steroids my friends,, but we forgivehim for that lol so he uses halodrol or superdrol or whatever designer REAL steroids out there....and gain his 10lb and this dont go away anywhere...he keep them so sudenly the so call true natural isno more 178lb but he is 188! lol and he is hormonized but he is forgiven and remain natural since he did it only ....for ....7 weeks or 5 weeks so it doesnt count,,so that 8-10 lb dont count ...he is forgiven lol
thennnn in the 4 year mark the peptides come in ... lol and the esterless compounds lol ,, the peptides ofcourse are for research so it is natural ,, everyone sell them ,, look online lol every boarding has them free for everyone to use lol 40 dolaros and you got peptides who put water into muscle lol so it is used by naturals ,,
and ofcourse on top of that ANTI ESTROGENS AND AROMATZE INHIBITOR...FOR RESEARCH USED ALL OVER BY TRUE NTURALS..
so sadly this is true natural for you today ,, some fellasdo it with out all this ...and only use some halodrol at one time and creatine,, those are the only one who are close to true naturals....
this is the truth my friends,, this si the truth!
gh15 approved
That didnt really debunk what I said though GH, you just instead said how most naturals progress which I guess in a way refutes my point by saying most dont stay natural long enough to ever top out naturally.
I am a bit different though, after the 3 year mark of protein and creatine I found getbig and then decided to just eat food not worry about the anabolic window and got same results that I got with the snake oil lol with less stress and money pissed away. I swear its better now because I do not worry about that shit and just kind of keep the mind set of maintaining or slow gains when I am more gym focused and less wrestling and bjj focused.
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I agree with this, but all that work and all those years and those hours in the gym, cooking meals, making sure you do everything right, and spending money on all those pre-workouts and creatine and all that, for just minimal (barely noticeable) gains each year that if your lucky and have the genetics may compound to look decent after several years while some guy on juice for 6 months can blow your physique out of the water?? Doesn't sound worth it to me and I've been on both sides of the spectrum... 8 years natural training, 2 years sauced.
I feel you which is why I have mostly stopped trying to get much bigger and instead prefer to maintain what I have already built through hard work with minimal effort, execpt for those few inspired workouts here and there lol.
To be honest my new motivation for lifting weights and eating heavy is to simply keep my weight and size the same while I do all of my grappling training and mma conditioning. It is a new goal, instead of delusionaly building, or hoping to build pro level mass as a natural I am content to be 200lbs at 5'8" while I workout around 4hrs a day which is pretty hard so it is a fun realistic natural goal to have.
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it is like this ,, ill tell you how the natural mind work lol
2 year natural ,, on some protien pwoder the infamous weight gainer lol and creatine diahreeas....
then another 6 months on diff creatinethat doesnt cause diarea lol and then bcaa and what other balonieisthere ? lol ummmm bcaa and GLUTAMIN lol yes glutamine...
and then at the 3 year mark! the true natural go to .... pro hormones! ,, he go to pro hormones or designer steroids ...now this.... is steroids my friends,, but we forgivehim for that lol so he uses halodrol or superdrol or whatever designer REAL steroids out there....and gain his 10lb and this dont go away anywhere...he keep them so sudenly the so call true natural isno more 178lb but he is 188! lol and he is hormonized but he is forgiven and remain natural since he did it only ....for ....7 weeks or 5 weeks so it doesnt count,,so that 8-10 lb dont count ...he is forgiven lol
thennnn in the 4 year mark the peptides come in ... lol and the esterless compounds lol ,, the peptides ofcourse are for research so it is natural ,, everyone sell them ,, look online lol every boarding has them free for everyone to use lol 40 dolaros and you got peptides who put water into muscle lol so it is used by naturals ,,
and ofcourse on top of that ANTI ESTROGENS AND AROMATZE INHIBITOR...FOR RESEARCH USED ALL OVER BY TRUE NTURALS..
so sadly this is true natural for you today ,, some fellasdo it with out all this ...and only use some halodrol at one time and creatine,, those are the only one who are close to true naturals....
this is the truth my friends,, this si the truth!
gh15 approved
That's the natural competitor maybe, earlier talk was of completely natural, non competitive.
I don't do any pills, not even aspirin for a headache. The only thing I have introduced in the last year is whey protein straight after a workout. Other than that its all normal high protein, low carb foods with a high carb day every 4-5 days.
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and your concept of what can be achieved applies to 5+ billion people??
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pretty much ;D
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its been a misconception that natural guys hate on juicers.. its actually the other way around....
it seems that in a juicers mind ... whatever level he started taking drugs at is the benchmark for all natural..
and no natural can look good or better than them WRONG..... !
what does a peron who has trained let for argument sake say 2 yrs natural then took drugs.. know about every natural on Earth... guys who have been training10 20 yrs natural.... ???
these bards have become totally ridiculous..
anyway.... my 2 cents
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mes out
I have no hate at all, I think the guy looks great
(of course delusional people say he looks like shit because they can't identify with picture.if they saw that guy in person they would notice he looks like he has some years in the gym)
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its been a misconception that natural guys hate on juicers.. its actually the other way around....
it seems that in a juicers mind ... whatever level he started taking drugs at is the benchmark for all natural..
and no natural can look good or better than them WRONG..... !
what does a peron who has trained let for argument sake say 2 yrs natural then took drugs.. know about every natural on Earth... guys who have been training10 20 yrs natural.... ???
these bards have become totally ridiculous..
anyway.... my 2 cents
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mes out
like I said, those SAME person that have been 10 years naturaly come to ME for advice.
they come to ME to ask me why the fuck they have seen me go from a skinny tiny tits at 135 lbs when I first join the gym to a lean 240 pounder when they stayed 180 lbs the whole time (and they were in the gym before myself)
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(http://www.bodyresource.nl/forum/imgcache/21652.png)(http://www.3dmusclejourney.com/resources/cordova_thick.jpg?timestamp=1266470615826)
Layne Norton says he is natural so it must be true ::)
Great natural physique right there... ::) ::) ::)
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Great natural physique right there... ::) ::) ::)
Does that douche seriously claim natty??
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Does that douche seriously claim natty??
Yes but he is Layne approved so.. ;D
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Thats not a good natural after 7 years of training sorry.
X2 i looked better than that when i was 16 years old
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X2 i looked better than that when i was 16 years old
picutres are deceiving you would say he looks good in person
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picutres are deceiving you would say he looks good in person
Probably...I'm just going by what i see.
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I feel you which is why I have mostly stopped trying to get much bigger and instead prefer to maintain what I have already built through hard work with minimal effort, execpt for those few inspired workouts here and there lol.
To be honest my new motivation for lifting weights and eating heavy is to simply keep my weight and size the same while I do all of my grappling training and mma conditioning. It is a new goal, instead of delusionaly building, or hoping to build pro level mass as a natural I am content to be 200lbs at 5'8" while I workout around 4hrs a day which is pretty hard so it is a fun realistic natural goal to have.
See, this is what I respect ^^^^^^^^
I don't understand the constant arguments over natural or not natural... whos better, whos worse... whos lying about it, who isn't...
I'll break it down simply: Set goals and act accordingly.
RC Money has set a goal of pursuing MMA and maintaining what he has in terms of muscle mass. Great goal and if he is happy with that and it motivates him in the gym than that is awesome.
I can't stand those who claim their goal is the IFBB and then try to claim natural. If your goal is to be the best natural you can be, then pursue that goal, display your best true natural physique and be proud of it. If you aren't satisfied with that then guess what??? You need a new goal!!
If your goal is to have the best physique you can possible obtain than go for it, juice and all!
If you want to be the strongest lifter then go for it and do whatever that will take.
My point is, why set a goal and then lie to others about what you did to achieve that? Why not just set a goal that you are really proud of and be proud of whatever you did to get there? I just don't get the lying... whatever it may be about...
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See, this is what I respect ^^^^^^^^
I don't understand the constant arguments over natural or not natural... whos better, whos worse... whos lying about it, who isn't...
I'll break it down simply: Set goals and act accordingly.
RC Money has set a goal of pursuing MMA and maintaining what he has in terms of muscle mass. Great goal and if he is happy with that and it motivates him in the gym than that is awesome.
I can't stand those who claim their goal is the IFBB and then try to claim natural. If your goal is to be the best natural you can be, then pursue that goal, display your best true natural physique and be proud of it. If you aren't satisfied with that then guess what??? You need a new goal!!
If your goal is to have the best physique you can possible obtain than go for it, juice and all!
If you want to be the strongest lifter then go for it and do whatever that will take.
My point is, why set a goal and then lie to others about what you did to achieve that? Why not just set a goal that you are really proud of and be proud of whatever you did to get there? I just don't get the lying... whatever it may be about...
great post
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See, this is what I respect ^^^^^^^^
I don't understand the constant arguments over natural or not natural... whos better, whos worse... whos lying about it, who isn't...
I'll break it down simply: Set goals and act accordingly.
RC Money has set a goal of pursuing MMA and maintaining what he has in terms of muscle mass. Great goal and if he is happy with that and it motivates him in the gym than that is awesome.
I can't stand those who claim their goal is the IFBB and then try to claim natural. If your goal is to be the best natural you can be, then pursue that goal, display your best true natural physique and be proud of it. If you aren't satisfied with that then guess what??? You need a new goal!!
If your goal is to have the best physique you can possible obtain than go for it, juice and all!
If you want to be the strongest lifter then go for it and do whatever that will take.
My point is, why set a goal and then lie to others about what you did to achieve that? Why not just set a goal that you are really proud of and be proud of whatever you did to get there? I just don't get the lying... whatever it may be about...
This, lying about achievements on a message board must come with some serious mental issues.
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I'm with Adonis and Jaime here. That guy is hardly a good natural. Guys like Stavios and Flintstones who have average genetics and have started juicing at a young age are simply not qualified to say what is possible naturally, sorry. There are guys who post in Getbig who blow that guy in the first pic out of the water, Adonis included.
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There are guys who post in Getbig who blow that guy in the first pic out of the water, Adonis included.
And there are guys who post in Getbig who would just blow him.
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And there are guys who post in Getbig who would just blow him.
Leave Khofo out of this!!!
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I'm with Adonis and Jaime here. That guy is hardly a good natural. Guys like Stavios and Flintstones who have average genetics and have started juicing at a young age are simply not qualified to say what is possible naturally, sorry. There are guys who post in Getbig who blow that guy in the first pic out of the water, Adonis included.
why not ?
It's funny because I see a lot of natural in real life who are just as I described. All of them.
and on the Interwebz, the naturals are 50 lbs bigger, a million dollar richer and prettier too 8)
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why not ?
It's funny because I see a lot of natural in real life who are just as I described. All of them.
and on the Interwebz, the naturals are 50 lbs bigger, a million dollar richer and prettier too 8)
Because you obviously have no idea what can be accomplished with 10-15+ years of consistent, systematic training and good genetics. You may have seen a few naturals, but you haven't seen all of them and the world/reality is bigger and more diverse than what you think it is.
There are naturals out there who are better. None of them may look like a pro bodybuilder, but to say the guy in those pics is among the best is just plain wrong. What if I told you that I've seen guys who are far better? There's not a lot of truly impressive naturals out there, but there are a few. Not every single guy who lifts is into reading the "bible" and sticking pins in their ass cheeks, lol.
Johnny Falcon is another example of someone far superior. And he's not the only one, trust me.
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Because you obviously have no idea what can be accomplished with 10-15+ years of consistent, systematic training and good genetics. You may have seen a few naturals, but you haven't seen all of them and the world/reality is bigger and more diverse than what you think it is.
There are naturals out there who are better. None of them may look like a pro bodybuilder, but to say the guy in those pics is among the best is just plain wrong. What if I told you that I've seen guys who are far better? There's not a lot of truly impressive naturals out there, but there are a few. Not every single guy who lifts is into reading the "bible" and sticking pins in their ass cheeks, lol.
Johnny Falcon is another example of someone far superior. And he's not the only one, trust me.
The problem is, you don't know for a fact that Adonis or any of these others guys you mention, are natural.
If you want to take their word for it, go ahead.
Some of us know better.
This entire arguement is not valid, because non of us know which person is truely 100% natural. We can only take them on their word and what we know after being in this game for many years. I can spot a juicer a mile away, but you don't have to take my word for it.
8)
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Because you obviously have no idea what can be accomplished with 10-15+ years of consistent, systematic training and good genetics. You may have seen a few naturals, but you haven't seen all of them and the world/reality is bigger and more diverse than what you think it is.
Johnny Falcon is another example of someone far superior. And he's not the only one, trust me.
yes because I have NEVER seen someone who has train for 15 years, ever ::)
Falcon was on the sauce btw
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Great natural physique right there... ::) ::) ::)
^^^ trenbolone
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Again though, why does it matter???
Natural or Not...
I agree with you Kiwiol that not everyone who lifts wants to stick needles in their ass and compete in bodybuilding. Why does it matter though either way??
It's 2011, we are all educated enough to understand the real effects of steroid use on the body so who cares who does them and who doesn't, when they do them or don't do them. The obvious lying just doesn't make sense to me. However Overload is right though, we are just going on everyones word.
I do have to disagree with you on somethings Kiwiol... If see enough naturals, you'll learn what natural looks like whether you were natural for 1 year or your whole life. Just like bodybuilding contests... if you look at enough photos, after a while you know who is holding water, who didn't diet hard enough, who looks flat, etc... I'm not a huge believer in experience or age or whatever giving you a better edge than someone without. If that were the case, Phil Heath would not be Mr. O. Respect in anything in life is earned, not just given because of a length of time.
I love how people will argue with someone about whether they are natural when they claim to be but even if someone looks like trash, if they say they are on juice, you don't often hear an argument... just something to think about...
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In terms of sheer muscle mass a natural won't get very far. You may look built, athletic or whatever but never huge.
What can make a natural look impressive though is of you build a decent amount of muscle mass(say +20lbs on top of your average adult muscle mass) and then get shredded while keeping most of that muscle. So in my book, most naturals don't have problem with getting the muscle mass, it's just a matter of controlling bodyfat and water retention. For example the guy Stavios posted pics of is probably close to what's achievable muscle wise naturally, but he can certainly get rid of some blubber and look more impressive.
Height and the shape of your muscle bellies also matter a lot.
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like I said, those SAME person that have been 10 years naturaly come to ME for advice.
they come to ME to ask me why the fuck they have seen me go from a skinny tiny tits at 135 lbs when I first join the gym to a lean 240 pounder when they stayed 180 lbs the whole time (and they were in the gym before myself)
So true it's not even funny
You can train for 10 years and know EVERYTHING. A beginner that starts juicing will surpass you in 1 year.
180 lbs for life :-\
The best thing a natural can do is get there and then work on getting lean as fuck and stay lean. That's the only way a natural will be impressive.
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yes because I have NEVER seen someone who has train for 15 years, ever ::)
Falcon was on the sauce btw
Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.
I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.
Again though, why does it matter???
Natural or Not...
I agree with you Kiwiol that not everyone who lifts wants to stick needles in their ass and compete in bodybuilding. Why does it matter though either way??
It's 2011, we are all educated enough to understand the real effects of steroid use on the body so who cares who does them and who doesn't, when they do them or don't do them. The obvious lying just doesn't make sense to me. However Overload is right though, we are just going on everyones word.
I do have to disagree with you on somethings Kiwiol... If see enough naturals, you'll learn what natural looks like whether you were natural for 1 year or your whole life. Just like bodybuilding contests... if you look at enough photos, after a while you know who is holding water, who didn't diet hard enough, who looks flat, etc... I'm not a huge believer in experience or age or whatever giving you a better edge than someone without. If that were the case, Phil Heath would not be Mr. O. Respect in anything in life is earned, not just given because of a length of time.
I love how people will argue with someone about whether they are natural when they claim to be but even if someone looks like trash, if they say they are on juice, you don't often hear an argument... just something to think about...
If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.
And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are ;D
I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.
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Please end your posts right here. You are being a moron. You chose to juice at a young age so you have zero conception of what can be attained naturally. Both in those pictures are easily obtainable and you are a delusional beyond belief if either require roids of any kind.
Adam,
Don't be an asshole. You are flexing for all you're worth in those pics. The fellow Stavios posted was totally relaxed. That is NOT apples to apples and you fucking well KNOW that.
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like I said, those SAME person that have been 10 years naturaly come to ME for advice.
they come to ME to ask me why the fuck they have seen me go from a skinny tiny tits at 135 lbs when I first join the gym to a lean 240 pounder when they stayed 180 lbs the whole time (and they were in the gym before myself)
not all naturals are small
alot lot lot of juicers mistake me for a juicer and as me for advice quite dissapointed when they dont get the answer they want...
but yur logic is "flawless "
when you do meet a guy who is better than you.... would will say hes on gear no matter what because hes better than you
because all nautral guys look like that guy ..you posted at the beginning of the thread....
.... some of you guys make me laugh
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no one mistakes u for a natural
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My gains have certainly slowed.
My bench probaly went up 10kg in the last year. DB shoulder press maybe went up by 6 reps with my heaviest set etc.
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no one mistakes u for a natural
if that was directed towards me...
thx for the "compliment" because i am....
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if that was directed towards me...
thx for the "compliment" because i am....
GETBIG EXPERTS CLAIM THEY CAN TELL WH0 HAS HAS "WATER RETENTI0N" CAUSED BY R0IDS FR0M PICS BECAUSE ACC0RDING T0 THEM, THEY'VE SEEN IT ALL IN THEIR L0CAL GYM.
THE END RESULT IS IF Y0U L00K GREAT AND EVEN HAVE NATURAL STATS, 0N GET BIG Y0U'RE 0N R0IDS. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. ACC0RDING T0 GET BIGGERS THERE IS A CERTAIN THICKNESS THAT NATURALS WITH NATURAL STATS CANN0T HAVE IMPLYING THAT ALL NATURALS MUST HAVE THE SAME MUSCLE FIBERS, DENSITY AND THICKNESS T0 THEM.
THIS IS THE BEAUTY 0F THIS C0UNTRY. ANY0NE CAN SAY WHAT THEY WANT AND MAKE 0UTRAGE0US STATEMENTS IMPLYING THAT THEY KN0W IT ALL.
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And he needs to lose some fat.
true but you need to lose that face and head. Perhaps a head transplant will be possible in the near future.
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not all naturals are small
alot lot lot of juicers mistake me for a juicer and as me for advice quite dissapointed when they dont get the answer they want...
but yur logic is "flawless "
when you do meet a guy who is better than you.... would will say hes on gear no matter what because hes better than you
because all nautral guys look like that guy ..you posted at the beginning of the thread....
.... some of you guys make me laugh
hum... I see plenty of natural bodybuilders who are better than me. My physique is not made for bodybuilding.
but I am fucking 240 lbs, so yes, when I meet a guy who is bigger than me I suspect him to be AT LEAST on some gear !!
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I am fucking 240
or bust ??? :o
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for example, here is another of my friend, who has GREAT genetics.
been training for about the same time as me, stay around 175-180
he bench presses more than myself who weights much more than him.
BUT, he is smaller.
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or bust ??? :o
;D
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I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.
I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.
No need to argue on the interwebz about that.
but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.
I like when people just mind their own business IRL
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The problem is, you don't know for a fact that Adonis or any of these others guys you mention, are natural.
If you want to take their word for it, go ahead.
Some of us know better.
This entire arguement is not valid, because non of us know which person is truely 100% natural. We can only take them on their word and what we know after being in this game for many years. I can spot a juicer a mile away, but you don't have to take my word for it.
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and this! is the butom line! ,, the f ella my pupil stavio put there is actualy very good natural ....he is not the best...but he didntclaim he wasthe best natural out there,, he is def very good natural ,, and again natural bodybuilding is DEAD over 170lb 5'10,, yes yes friends that mean 150lb 5'7.... and even lower for 5'6 ,, 6% dry but this is whee natural bodybuild turn into hormonized bodybuild,, no matter what you hear,,
you ever hear fellas talk about oh this fella is 200lb is nto good enough for bodybuild ,,real bodybuild are 230 240 lol ....thats thesame balonie theytalk about ture naturals,,
IN REALITY A 5'10! 200LB FELLA WITH 31-32 INCH WAIST 6% ...WITH GOOD STRUCTURE..WHEN THEY ENTER AGYM THERE IS SILENCE OF THE LAMBS,, EVERYONE STARE EVERYONE LOOK AND EVERY ONE COMPARE THEMSELVES TO THEM EVEN THE 250 LB 10% ...THATS BECAUSE 200-210LB 6% DRY IS WHERE EPIDOM OF BODYBUILDING SIT...BEFORE ! THERE WAS HGH ANDINSULINA AROUND...
a;ways reember the size on bodybuild past 220 5'10 always go to the gut....always...no matter what...some can pull it well some cant,,the few mr o you see with flat stomack ... also had gutstheyjust held it ok ....when dont you havea gut? ...when you are 200lb frank zane...when you are 6'2 230lbrnold which = 205lb 5'10....when you are serge....etcetc
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I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.
No need to argue on the interwebz about that.
but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.
I like when people just mind their own business IRL
ur a good dude,,u have good build and contribute here with no ego as well...
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^^^ trenbolone
lol,, and lots of time on trenbolone...not only a month lol,,much more other products,, you just wont advance in bodybuild unless specific hormone in the blood,, you my get in better condition ...but! you will lose weight and some size...you will pull illusion maybe in pictures,, but the illusion will be within normaicy itwil be 16 inch arms looking like 17inch arms....itwill be good shape to muscle,, btu it will still be170friends ,, still be 167.... wont beno 188lb or 192lb ...jjust dont work this way friends
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Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.
I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.
If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.
And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are ;D
I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.
As much as natural bodybuilding is a lost cause on Getbig, so is telling a die hard natural that he is not one of these exceptions. Problem is an exception is RARE and in the natural world, an exception would carry Max 10 lbs more of muscle and naturally that is a LOT. However, 95% of people are not that exception, but good luck telling a die hard natural that.
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ur a good dude,,u have good build and contribute here with no ego as well...
thanks man I appreciate 8)
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In terms of sheer muscle mass a natural won't get very far. You may look built, athletic or whatever but never huge.
What can make a natural look impressive though is of you build a decent amount of muscle mass(say +20lbs on top of your average adult muscle mass) and then get shredded while keeping most of that muscle. So in my book, most naturals don't have problem with getting the muscle mass, it's just a matter of controlling bodyfat and water retention. For example the guy Stavios posted pics of is probably close to what's achievable muscle wise naturally, but he can certainly get rid of some blubber and look more impressive.
Height and the shape of your muscle bellies also matter a lot.
only in pictures friend only in pictures,, theshape and all that isall good for pictures,, in reality yuo need the thickness that go hand andhand with condition size! you need it and you wont haveit with out hormones,,
yes some natural look good at 167 lb when they weigh in for competition ...but wil it give them the win? no it wont,, 4rth or 3rd place mr neverland,,thats whatit giv them ,, it give them maybe sense of accomplishment...did they get there naturaly? hell no they didnt,,
they used fat burners,, they used halodrol while bulking lol they use some fake aas that they were burnt with but had some hormone inside underdose.... they played the field ...no one is dumb enough to remain natural in a sea where natural = gettingno where...true natural that is ,,
dont make excuses for liars,,most naturals lie,, the ones who dont at best case scanario will be sittign 170lb 6% 5'10 they in most liklihood wont win any competition butplace somewhere in the middle lets say 3 out of 7 ...or 4 out of 8...
yuo get the idea right? good
this is thetruth fella ,, you need read nothing more..THIS IS THE TRUTH
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I have never called out anybody on getbig who was claiming natural, usualy my mind is already made up and if the guys says he is natural then be it but if I don't think he is I just let it go.
No need to argue on the interwebz about that.
but at the gym, when a guy "brags" about being natural walking around weighin 250 lbs at 5'9 and try to start shit with roiders, when I KNOW FOR A FACT than he has been on drugs for many years (knowing where he buys it and also how much he takes), it pisses me off a bit.
I like when people just mind their own business IRL
Stavios, good post bro. I think it would cool if no one gave a shit who was on what or who wasn't. This is BODYBUILDING. Build the best body at all costs. This is a bodybuilding board lol. People wanna post their pics and lie about what they use or do like it matters. Just keep building you body however you best see fit... PERIOD. If you're not happy with the physique you have natural or not, then you need to keep working on it in the gym, the kitchen, and of course... Wait for it... If your goals in bodybuilding are high enough... Yes kids... THE HORMONES.
Hahaha... The end of that post was for you gh15 haha.
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My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1'' ,195lbs
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Of course you have, bro. I'm just saying what you've seen isn't all there is to it or the upper limit, having seen my share of things myself.
I'd say 95 or maybe even 98% of the naturals out there stop progressing after the first 2-3 years, but there are some who build respectable physiques that are a lot better than your original example, even though that guy isn't too bad himself.
If you're talking average gains, then yes, you're right about the timespan making little difference. But there are also some who are exceptions is my point.
And the whole natural bodybuilding topic is a lost cause in Getbig - there's no winning if you take that stance, esp. when the "enemy" is comprised of respected Getbiggers like you and Stav and others, who far outnumber the few naturals there are ;D
I'm not naive and I don't think every person who claims natty status is speaking the truth. Far from it.
there are no naturals over 170lb 5'10 6% ,, never was and never will be,, thebest genetic naturals of italian andblack genetic stop at 168-170lb 65 dry on stage,, they are the best and anyone over those numbers and notice the heights! im saying here,, 5'10 ...not 5'8.... the fellss who hold those numbers are genetic elite and not manyaround,, with shirt on they look like balonie,, with out shirt they look like a road map ,, they are small group and theyjust dont look like bodybuild with clothes on ,, with out clothesyuo will bejelosu of them usualy no mater what size you have unles you are hormonized and bodybuilder that can get also in condition and justbigger condition lol
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My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1'' ,195lbs
your picturs are midleading,, they are very much close ups,, they dont show the true cases ,, they dont show how small those fells are in relashion to smoeone who get in gymnasium 200lb 6% ...,,and ifthey are 200lb 8% they are hormonized...so why even fellas should bother guess,,
illsuion in pictures is everything when it come to internet bodybuild,,,try to pull it in a gymnasium or on stage...it wont work ,, the thicker survive on stage,, if you can be conditioned and thick....THATS when the americano whore start smiling at you at any given moment with i want you between my legs type of look ,, they all do it because women smell conditioned muscle,, they do it all of them ,,, ages 18 to 60 ,, 16 -17 too...
conditioned muscle ,, that mean THICK AND! low bodyfat and good frame and build,, those fellas ofcourse are hormonized and those are the only ones who get a second look
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My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1'' ,195lbs
Fucking hard to say
first of all, he is not that thick, he just has a fucking AWESOME structure kinda like yourself.
second, he is a black dude
a 6'1 black dude could MAYBE look like this, I'd say he might have used some orals or prohormones
195 lbs in that condition is still heavy but he looks like he has a big frame
legs look smooth too
could be natty ..
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only in pictures friend only in pictures,, theshape and all that isall good for pictures,, in reality yuo need the thickness that go hand andhand with condition size! you need it and you wont haveit with out hormones,,
yes some natural look good at 167 lb when they weigh in for competition ...but wil it give them the win? no it wont,, 4rth or 3rd place mr neverland,,thats whatit giv them ,, it give them maybe sense of accomplishment...did they get there naturaly? hell no they didnt,,
they used fat burners,, they used halodrol while bulking lol they use some fake aas that they were burnt with but had some hormone inside underdose.... they played the field ...no one is dumb enough to remain natural in a sea where natural = gettingno where...true natural that is ,,
dont make excuses for liars,,most naturals lie,, the ones who dont at best case scanario will be sittign 170lb 6% 5'10 they in most liklihood wont win any competition butplace somewhere in the middle lets say 3 out of 7 ...or 4 out of 8...
yuo get the idea right? good
this is thetruth fella ,, you need read nothing more..THIS IS THE TRUTH
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Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.
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Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.
how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard
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how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard
Howard would never make it onstage because he would be too busy sucking cock backstage.
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My ex workout partner ,natural or not ? 6'1'' ,195lbs
natural or not, can't tell
but it sure is gay
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natural or not, can't tell
but it sure is gay
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Do you even believe your own bullshit?
I actually laughed when I skimmed /read your last few posts.
Your "facts" on the limits of natural BB are about as credible as aliens ready to attack from uranus.
Of course if you are going to be an internet drug guru, ya gotta keep the bullshit flying.
I say, train hard with no gimmicks and eat good. THAT works and doesn't cost much.
you are mentaly not right in the head friend,, this is the sad truth abotu you ,, you have no idea about bodybuild and to put you as judge shed bad light on bodybuild because you either haveno idea or simply lie! i say its a combo of both ,, there are many bodybuild aroudn the world,, no one ever argue me ,, no one of the profesionals who come here in masses,, no one of the true bodybuild ...why? because i am right,, we all been there,, we live off bodybuild,, what do yuo rthink i live off you crazy putz? what do you think i make money of? i know every single bodybuild on the cult,, i know what theybreath ,, i know how they think ,, i know what they want,, i know the secret magic formulas they plan all night long before they go to sleep,, i know thehard on they get when they about to get new product,, i know everything,,
when i say something! it is wrtten in stone,, you confuse my humour with my title god of hormones,, i suggest yuo reread bible ,, if you are slow and you are...then ask for help ,,im sure my pupils and manyof them are on musculr develop...they can help you understand the bible and help you read it ,, just ask help,, for you to come to thunderdome once in a blue moon after suckin the cock of ron harrin on muscular develop or after prasing some other liar...for you to come here its spit in the faceof true bodybuilders,,
you are A SHAME to this cult ,, S H A M E
failed and dismissed
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Howard would never make it onstage because he would be too busy sucking cock backstage.
and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal
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how would you weight onstage as a natural Howard
1994 NPC Louisiana Ironman Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.
Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.
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and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal
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You never verify any claim you make. Why? because you are full of doggy doo.
You will rant and talk a good game but most of your stuff is bullshit GH15.
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1994 NPC Louisiana Ironman Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.
Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.
picture of the 196 ripped at 5'9.5" ?
also you used drugs before that time if I remember well so that makes you "clean" at that time and not natural
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and you noticed it very early that he was not right in the coconut,,yuo noticed it first!,, i had to actualy read his balonie for some time to get it ,, i thought he was joking ,, but nono he is not all there,,took me time to get it ,, i had to see the video from olympia and other things,, fella is just abnormal
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He's gullible as shit, he believes all the lies the government and everyone tells him, he wants to live in Disneyland, not in the real world.
Denying drug use in bodybuilding, denying his own homosexuality, and i won't even start with all the bullshit he wrote about politics. He makes The Coach look like a Nobel Prize winner.
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Howard would never make it onstage because I would be too busy sucking HIS cock backstage.
Thanks for the offer but I'll pass sweety. :-*
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you head him pupils! TRANI HARD AND EAT FOOD!! LOTS OF FOOD,, BECOME FATZO LIKE HIM ,, never see seperation ,, never see condition ,, never see nothing just put thewater and fat in there between skin and muscle and imagine it is size...put a nice cotton shirt to look half decnt in or button up shirt since now you have 18 inch fatzo arms so the xl button up shirtwill look tight on yoru arms and the girl you go on single date with will tell you she liek yoru arms before she get disgusted with your gello mooshie flab flab tummy boucning on herbelly button everytime you put yoru 6 inch cock into her vagina...
if bodybuild was train hard mesomorf would be mr o now...he trsani very hard lift super heavt weights lol,, matt t was runner up mr canada right now if bodybuild was about trainnig heavy and hard,,
if bodybuild was about put as many calories in your tum tum ...you would be mr o forest,, you atleat would be mr no where to be found state you live in ,, or mr physics in yoru highschool but! yuo are none! why? because its nto the food you retard,, its not the food! nutrition is part of it,,
but if you dont shoot the trenbolona and the testsoterona and the equipona and the masterona,,you can kiss your bodybuild GOOD FUCKING BYE,,
stop selling balonieto those kids,, you get no where,, they can see through your balonie,, and been seeing through it for years,, im the one who actualy thought you had some sense...until i had time to go over your balonie ,, you are just not all there
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1994 NPC Louisiana Ironman Natural 1st place hvy wt at a lean , ripped 196lbs and 5' 9.5"
The contest was drug tested and held Aug 1994 at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La.
I believe this was the first, last and only drug tested NPC contest ever held in Louisiana.
Unlike GH15 I used actual names , dates and places you can verify should you desire to check it out.
WITHOUT being able to verify, anyone can claim anything they want.
Pics can be photoshopped and stories can sound good, etc.
With me you can check the facts . I use actual names, dates and places.
The point is not if it was drug tested, the point is, where you natural, "howard"?
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You never verify any claim you make. Why? because you are full of doggy doo.
You will rant and talk a good game but most of your stuff is bullshit GH15.
says who you scambag? bring me the fella who say it,,stand him before god of hormones,, i will let him have his say before i let my hayenas tare his head off,, bring him before me i will debate him or her anytime
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me natural after only roughly one year of gym trainin
yes I used angles and lighting in my favor
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Fucking hard to say
first of all, he is not that thick, he just has a fucking AWESOME structure kinda like yourself.
second, he is a black dude
a 6'1 black dude could MAYBE look like this, I'd say he might have used some orals or prohormones
195 lbs in that condition is still heavy but he looks like he has a big frame
Congrats Stavios ,way better assessment than GH15, the picture really doesn't do him justice ,he had a huge frame .
After 3 years of working (stripping ), working out and partying together, I found out he was using stanozolol, he told me he was natural he even competed in natural shows , I believed him because he always looked the same and we were hanging out together everyday, I don't know why he lied to me I didn't care either way.
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picture of the 196 ripped at 5'9.5" ?
also you used drugs before that time if I remember well so that makes you "clean" at that time and not natural
I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest.
It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.
If you don't believe that, then good luck.
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says who you scambag? bring me the fella who say it,,stand him before god of hormones,, i will let him have his say before i let my hayenas tare his head off,, bring him before me i will debate him or her anytime
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How could I ever debate a GOD? ::)
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I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest. that still matters IMO, using drugs before still changes your physique a bit and you always retain "some" size of it that you didn't have before
It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
You do need drugs for BB gains
Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
"pretty good gains" is relative
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.
I agree, dependind of what "decent gains" mean to you
If you don't believe that, then good luck.
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Congrats Stavios ,way better assessment than GH15, the picture really doesn't do him justice ,he had a huge frame .
After 3 years of working (stripping ), working out and partying together, I found out he was using stanozolol, he told me he was natural he even competed in natural shows , I believed him because he always looked the same and we were hanging out together everyday, I don't know why he lied to me I didn't care either way.
how did i asses him? i didnt,, i just pointed to pictures you put on ,, i didnt say my opinion of him ,, ofcourse he is hormonized liek 99% of bodybuild,, 1 out of 100 is not hormonized 1 out of 100!!
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I posted the official result and passed the drug test. I had not used any drugs for 7 yrs when I took 1st at that contest.
It is waste of my time to even try to convice some of you. Your minds are made up and you need "drugs" to be reason for BB gains for whatever reason.
Sure, drugs work and no top pro can get there without 'em.
But you can make pretty good gains and enjoy the sport without drugs.
The 99% of us who workout for personal reasons never need drugs to make decent gains and be happy and healthy.
If you don't believe that, then good luck.
retard,, HOW DO YOU THINK PROFESIONALS GET PRO CARDS? HOW DID I GET MY PRO CARD FOREST? i got it by buildign my body via hormones,, i enhanced it for long time before hand,, it is not only top profesionals,, you need to start somewhere to get to be top profesionals,, theall damn npc is on hormones ,, theall damn npc,,with the occasional truenatural that come every once in a while to a lower level show and place 3rd..becauseh worked his ass off and didnt have no life and ate 10 meal a day and did everything liek clock,, and he is 170lb 6% 5'10 or so ...no where near the numbes yuo spit out of yoru lieing mouth
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Stavios , you and the others are free to take drugs or do whatever you want.
I know what I did and that is all that matters to me.
There is no point in saying anything else. Thanks and good luck to you in your training.
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for example, here is another of my friend, who has GREAT genetics.
been training for about the same time as me, stay around 175-180
he bench presses more than myself who weights much more than him.
BUT, he is smaller.
Much better natty than the first one, in pictures atleast.
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you and the others are free to take drugs .
You are taking drugs right now .
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training natural all the time=gay
if you're in the gym and know what you're doing and you look semi decent, go down the PED route.... theres no reason not too.. even gayer to lie about it ::)
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If that dude has been training Naturally for 7 or more years, getting on the juice would be a good idea. Sure as hell aint " cheating ". 7/8 years of training naturally is MORE than enough time.
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by the way to the guy who posted pics of some old timers, they are not all natural some of those guys are on test or dbol (low dose)
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Much better natty than the first one, in pictures atleast.
agreed
but they are the same size in a t-shirt
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training natural all the time=gay
if you're in the gym and know what you're doing and you look semi decent, go down the PED route.... theres no reason not too.. even gayer to lie about it ::)
How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.
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How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.
yeah i def agree... i mean honestly I lie in person also, but i meant on here. esp if you post anonymously like the majority here... btw nice avi, hope you dont claim natty ;D
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yeah i def agree... i mean honestly I lie in person also, but i meant on here. esp if you post anonymously like the majority here... btw nice avi, hope you dont claim natty ;D
I do because I am :)
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me too 8)
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me too 8)
Cool bro, not sure what you look like so I got no referance here LoL. Keep it up bud, lets hear it for our 7 ounce a year muscle progression as nattys.
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How bout not risking any possible legal trouble or the fact that being 20 to 30 pounds heavier with less bodyfat isnt the most important thing in the world when things are put into perspective.
Canada for the win, no legal trouble 8)
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Canada for the win, no legal trouble 8)
Well here in the states we have to fear the repercussions, which then manifests itself into having higher moral levels that prevent us from stooping that low ;D
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Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.
Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.
He could prove me wrong but he wont. ;)
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Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.
Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.
He could prove me wrong but he wont. ;)
much better than vince ffb riw ttr,, thdn again everyone is better than him ,, forest was abotu 7% if i remember corectly from the picture i saw back in the past ,,cqnt remember exactly but it was twards the mid signles maybe 8 or 7 maybe even wet 6 ...but ofcourse he was hormonized all through and just could never achieve anything because respond to hormones was average and his knowledge was balonie ,, he was smoewherebetween 6 and 8 % from he picture saw long time ago,,ON HORMONES LIKE ANY BODYBUILD OUT THERE,,
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much better than vince ffb riw ttr,, thdn again everyone is better than him ,, forest was abotu 7% if i remember corectly from the picture i saw back in the past ,,cqnt remember exactly but it was twards the mid signles maybe 8 or 7 maybe even wet 6 ...but ofcourse he was hormonized all through and just could never achieve anything because respond to hormones was average and his knowledge was balonie ,, he was smoewherebetween 6 and 8 % from he picture saw long time ago,,ON HORMONES LIKE ANY BODYBUILD OUT THERE,,
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Yes but those pictures you saw are from shows in 1975 in the "Mr.John Travolta Grease Lightning" contest where he said he was hormonized.
but he has not posted pictures of that show in 1996 where he claims to be natural at 195 lbs
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i would show pics of me as a drugfree teen, but gh15 has already stated i was on prohormones even tho it was 1981.
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i would show pics of me as a drugfree teen, but gh15 has already stated i was on prohormones even tho it was 1981.
;D hey I tought you guys made peace !
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;D hey I tought you guys made peace !
ya, he hasn't been a dick to me lately, but i havent posted many pics. i have been completely honest about everything on here, but he wouldn't believe what i used at various stages.
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Yes but those pictures you saw are from shows in 1975 in the "Mr.John Travolta Grease Lightning" contest where he said he was hormonized.
but he has not posted pictures of that show in 1996 where he claims to be natural at 195 lbs
ohhhhhh,,ok i never payed atention to thetime of picture he just put smoe pics i remember back few years ago,, now i get it,, ok
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After 2 years clean @18YO i got to 185 5'8' at 12% BF (tested), had my abs out even then but not the definition on the other bodyparts by a mile, the third year training i got good strength and a bit more size but that was pretty much it. Actually the size in the third year probably came off the diet i did after 2 years and after that i could not really go anywhere significant in size, only some more strength.
Once i juiced and dieted the definition was far greater all over, it would have taken years and years to get that definition so deep with good size, if the definition came ever, size or not, and i can still hold all this today with much better quality years after cleaning out. Without juice i would never have looked huge in clothes while lean, now clean i do even with low BF, i am sure people like gh15 might disagree but i never had a problem dropping actual muscle size after cleaning out, only the excess water the hormones made me hold.
Maybe if i was 220 lean at 5'8' i would have lost a lot of size, but 200 5'8' no problems with definition all over.
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ya, he hasn't been a dick to me lately, but i havent posted many pics. i have been completely honest about everything on here, but he wouldn't believe what i used at various stages.
Yeah, that doesnt mean anything...I mean look...G4P15 can look a a pic and tell what that person had for breakfast a week prior to the pic being taken....surely he can tell when you took something or not.
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Any pics of Howard competing? I would be very surprised if he ever was below 12% bodyfat.
Never saw any physique shots of him but I'm pretty sure his "ripped and lean" was about as ripped
as Goodrum at his shows.
He could prove me wrong but he wont. ;)
I had some pics up of my glory days a few years ago.
I was ok, nothing special, but at least I had good abs when on stage in shape.
It was along time ago and I was pretty average so it really doesn't matter.
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You are taking drugs right now .
I must be...I'm still posting on getbig :'(
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I was going to say, i think howard has a drug problem. Or alcohol
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retard,, HOW DO YOU THINK PROFESIONALS GET PRO CARDS? HOW DID I GET MY PRO CARD FOREST? i got it by buildign my body via hormones,, i enhanced it for long time before hand,, it is not only top profesionals,, you need to start somewhere to get to be top profesionals,, theall damn npc is on hormones ,, theall damn npc,,with the occasional truenatural that come every once in a while to a lower level show and place 3rd..becauseh worked his ass off and didnt have no life and ate 10 meal a day and did everything liek clock,, and he is 170lb 6% 5'10 or so ...no where near the numbes yuo spit out of yoru lieing mouth
gh15 approved
Yup it is all drugs, no question. ::) Thanks for taking the time to bestow your scientific wisdom unto us who are retarded Jr HS drop outs.
I would say God bless you, but it would be like blessing YOURSELF.
If only I had heard from YOU and gotten a new BowFlex 20 yrs ago, I could have been a contender! ;)
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I must be...I'm still posting on getbig :'(
You're doing "burns" with your fingers right now...
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Here I am at 18 years old and 150 lbs below. Had been training since I was around 13. Of course at that age training doesnt do much as you can see by my pic lol.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo338.jpg)
Here's me at around 20-21 years old and 220 lbs below. Pretty fat, but gained a lot of strength/muscle from bulking.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Image014.jpg)
After dieting down for the very first time. It was a learning experience. 22 years old and 170 lbs below.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/333.jpg)
At 23 yrs old - 205 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/100_0287.jpg)
At 24 yrs old - 215-220 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Picture004.jpg)
At 25 yrs old - 197 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo1005.jpg)
At 26 yrs old - 175 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo008-3.jpg)
u have good build but stay leaner u look better ,when u smooth out you actually smaller.esp natural/clean i'm sure u know that by now.
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yea, i would agree. in clothes i looked pretty big when I was heavier, but my face looked so fat it disgusted me lol. This past year I've just been dieting off and on to stay lean so that I look good. I'd like to bulk and put on some more muscle, but the trade-off of looking like a troll for 6months to a year while bulking just isnt worth it to me right now.
again that's the tradeoff,if ur on something u could afford to smooth/fill out cause you looked jakked up staring in the mirror no pump.like i said your on the right track train ,eat,repeat .don't chase the unreachable.
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Stavios - I mean this in the most NO HOMO way ever.... You are one hot man meat! LOL
I hope you wine and dine on a ton of pussy!!!!
And I can't believe that in 2004 I was bigger than you in 2005! ;D
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/scanfs.jpg)
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Here I am at 18 years old and 150 lbs below. Had been training since I was around 13. Of course at that age training doesnt do much as you can see by my pic lol.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo338.jpg)
Here's me at around 20-21 years old and 220 lbs below. Pretty fat, but gained a lot of strength/muscle from bulking.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Image014.jpg)
After dieting down for the very first time. It was a learning experience. 22 years old and 170 lbs below.
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/333.jpg)
At 23 yrs old - 205 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/100_0287.jpg)
At 24 yrs old - 215-220 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Picture004.jpg)
At 25 yrs old - 197 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo1005.jpg)
At 26 yrs old - 175 lbs picture below
(http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t224/SimplyHuge/Photo008-3.jpg)
how tall are you?
how long did it take you to bulk from 200 to 220?
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im 5'9. and not long. i can gain weight very easily because ive learned how to eat. i get fat along the way though. id say i normally gain 10 lbs a month when bulking until i hit 220. to get over 220 for me is difficult without turning into a real fatty.
You look awesome man! Great job! Keep up the good work! 8)
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me at 15. gh better not say i'm on anything here. this was 1979
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me at 15. gh better not say i'm on anything here. this was 1979
Bro clearly you were heavy on the hormones and had eggs and bacon that morning!
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after 10 years (158 pounds @ 5,7)
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Here I am at 18 years old and 150 lbs below. Had been training since I was around 13. Of course at that age training doesnt do much as you can see by my pic lol. .....
good build, you certainly leaned out from the chubby 220 when you were 20 to the pic at 26 weighing 175. about 5 pounds in 6 years, possibly slightly higher bf%.
this is what i mean, and again it somewhat follows my own personal experience. work out natural and make good gains late teens early 20's (even someone with bad genetics can do this). hit a wall in which muscle/strength gains come to near complete halt. then lean out, which is the idea, show what you have, but in a way it fools us into thinking we are still making gains/progress, when in fact our muscluar gains have essentially stopped.
looks like the rough pound per year of lean weight is what the natural can expect, once the intiital growth spurt is passed.
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looks like the rough pound per year of lean weight is what the natural can expect, once the intiital growth spurt is passed.
If that, once you've tapped out. I'm still the same weight now (158 pounds) when I compete now, 10 years later! (So I guess it took me 10 years to reach my genetic limit as far as contest weight goes) and in the following 10 years I didn't built much new muscle tissue weight beyond that (despite eating consistently, lifting heavier and more intensly) I'm talking real dry contest muscle tissue come contest time (not bloat - water,fat,glycogen) I've bulked up 20 pounds over my stage weight, but diet down again I'm still the same :P Guys that use juice seem to gain more muscle tissue consistly every year. But weight is not the only measure of improvement IMO.. I'm significantly better at that same weight now. So improvement/maturity for me comes with added detail, condition, hardness. Not sure if that makes sense .I'm 38 now to get bigger and put on more contest muscle at this stage I'd have to use gas...
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for example, same guy again on the left
on the right, I don't know who that is but he is on some roids whatever they are
skin is just tighter around the muscle, the 2 are probably the same bodyfat
You have got to be kidding me!! Talk about having low expetations. No wonder you do steroids, haha! ::)
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Here's bulked up to 180 pounds :-X...
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Stavios - I mean this in the most NO HOMO way ever.... You are one hot man meat! LOL
I hope you wine and dine on a ton of pussy!!!!
And I can't believe that in 2004 I was bigger than you in 2005! ;D
(http://www.ahmedelattar.com/images/scanfs.jpg)
haha yes !! ;D
but I was 17 years old ;D
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Here's bulked up to 180 pounds :-X...
u look great man,,,,u have to really be into it knowing that other than getting some slightly better condition than you have already achieved which again superb job ,is that size wise your done other than really fattening up which by now would be a waste.
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haha yes !! ;D
but I was 17 years old ;D
OK yeah I was 21 then! LOL epic fail on my part!
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OK yeah I was 21 then! LOL epic fail on my part!
I was 21 on the pic on the right !
but you didn't fail, you look awesome and sexy (no homo)
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I was 21 on the pic on the right !
but you didn't fail, you look awesome and sexy (no homo)
get a room u too.
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get a room u too.
;D
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yea, i would agree. in clothes i looked pretty big when I was heavier, but my face looked so fat it disgusted me lol. This past year I've just been dieting off and on to stay lean so that I look good. I'd like to bulk and put on some more muscle, but the trade-off of looking like a troll for 6months to a year while bulking just isnt worth it to me right now.
Great physique and you look healthy .
After seeing you , it might drive to take the dounts out of my pirhole and lose some fat myself.
I honestly think YOUR kind of bodybuilding and physique is what most here should strive for.
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
If I looked like that after 7 years of training I would quit bodybuilding it would not be worth the time and effort.
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If I looked like that after 7 years of training I would quit bodybuilding it would not be worth the time and effort.
::)
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If I looked like that after 7 years of training I would quit bodybuilding it would not be worth the time and effort.
you guys see a picture of a natural standing relaxed at the beach, not flexing at all, and you are expecting to see the second comming of Skip Lacour ;D
the picture I posted is how most natural look after a few years of training
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Stavios getting owned by naturals on this thread. 8)
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Stavios getting owned by naturals on this thread. 8)
Yes Stavios is "getting owned" by "naturals" on this thread :)
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you guys see a picture of a natural standing relaxed at the beach, not flexing at all, and you are expecting to see the second comming of Skip Lacour ;D
the picture I posted is how most natural look after a few years of training
they have an extremely delusional perception of how muscular they are, like most naturals who are dedicated to bodybuilding. they flex in the mirror and see the muscles are visible and just assume that means they look big.
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they have an extremely delusional perception of how muscular they are, like most naturals who are dedicated to bodybuilding. they flex in the mirror and see the muscles are visible and just assume that means they look big.
you tried pretend you're as muscular as no one, lol lets not throw around the word delusional too freely
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you tried pretend you're as muscular as no one, lol lets not throw around the word delusional too freely
he posted one picture and he doesnt look big in it he just looks ripped.. i swear the majority of posters on here are closet homos with your obsession for guys with abs.. not suprising though, this is a website dedicated to the male body..
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they have an extremely delusional perception of how muscular they are, like most naturals who are dedicated to bodybuilding. they flex in the mirror and see the muscles are visible and just assume that means they look big.
You don`t look better than Super Natural or Simply Huge and you are juiced to the gills.
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he posted one picture and he doesnt look big in it he just looks ripped.. i swear the majority of posters on here are closet homos with your obsession for guys with abs.. not suprising though, this is a website dedicated to the male body..
lol, who is obsessed, you like to talk talk talk, you look like a fuckin natural bro, you know how many natural construction workers walking around who to the untrained eye look exactly like you? You are in perma bulker gym rat territory saying you look better than a guy who is stage ready, and then you talk shit to naturals, saying they are delusional lol, you look like you don't even do steroids! SHow me a natural who posts pics of himself TRYING TRYING TRYING to look bigger than he really is by popping out his shoulders! Only you do that. Why, because you look so good? No because you don't, you gotta create an illusion with a stupid pose. get the hell out of here with your fucking attitude lol
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You don`t look better than Super Natural or Simply Huge and you are juiced to the gills.
i know the fact i dont have pictures to post of myself with hard abs really dissapoints you. theres plenty of j/o material elsewhere though, so keep your chin up
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lol, who is obsessed, you like to talk talk talk, you look like a fuckin natural bro, you know how many natural construction workers walking around who to the untrained eye look exactly like you? You are in perma bulker gym rat territory saying you look better than a guy who is stage ready, and then you talk shit to naturals, saying they are delusional lol, you look like you don't even do steroids! SHow me a natural who posts pics of himself TRYING TRYING TRYING to look bigger than he really is by popping out his shoulders! Only you do that. Why, because you look so good? No because you don't, you gotta create an illusion with a stupid pose. get the hell out of here with your fucking attitude lol
im willing to bet you dont look like youve ever touched a weight
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You don`t look better than Super Natural or Simply Huge and you are juiced to the gills.
well he is bigger for sure. Tbombz knows he has some fat to lose if he wants to look "better"
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You don`t look better than Super Natural or Simply Huge and you are juiced to the gills.
hahahah Adonis hit it on the head...for someone juiced to the gills you sure look like shit ...
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I really don't undertand what it is with getbig's obsession with being lean. Anyone can go on a diet for 8 weeks and get shredded, that doesn't get my respect. Growing your muscles huge, that is an impressive feat and anyone who lifts weights knows how hard 1 pound of muscle is to come by and the work it involves. I can only imagine how hard it gets once you reach "freak" size fuck that must take an insane amount of drugs. I remember when Groink was bulking and got to 270 and pretty smooth... everyone was giving him shit years ago...well who's laughing now? you guys remember Dave Tate? people on here called him a "Fat fuck" behind his back all the time lol. Did you see him after working with Trop for 10 weeks :o? Same with gh15 whats his deal with wanting to be lean all the time. I remember years ago he told us to eat some soup and gain some bf so we could work heavy on lots of deca and dbol and not worry about bf too much just grow grow grow and live by the scale. not no more now its all gh tren eq grow lean and stay at 6% year round. "Getbig" lol this place has turned into "getpretty"
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Adonis, maybe we should team up so we can crush all these delusionites who tell us what nattys can look like when none of them are natural themselves.
Alone we are mighty, together we'd be invincible ;D
Plus we can out-troll all our roiding friends :P
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I really don't undertand what it is with getbig's obsession with being lean. Anyone can go on a diet for 8 weeks and get shredded, that doesn't get my respect. Growing your muscles huge, that is an impressive feat and anyone who lifts weights knows how hard 1 pound of muscle is to come by and the work it involves. I can only imagine how hard it gets once you reach "freak" size fuck that must take an insane amount of drugs. I remember when Groink was 270 and smooth and everyone was giving him shit years ago...well who's laughing now? you guys remember Dave Tate? people on here called him a "Fat fuck" behind his back all the timeu lol. Did you see him after working with Trop for 10 weeks :o? Same with gh15 whats his deal with wanting to be lean all the time. I remember years ago he told us to eat some soup and gain some bf so we could work heavy on lots of deca and dbol and not worry about bf too much just grow grow grow and live by the scale. not no more now its all gh tren eq grow lean and stay at 6% year round. "Getbig" lol this place has turned into "getpretty"
when you are lean you put on more muscle easily because nutriment partioning is better. That's a fact
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Some people are fast runners that other no matter how much they train.
Some people learn things quicker than others no matter how hard some people try.
Some people are more creative than others.
Some people are just more muscular than others.
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Adonis, maybe we should team up so we can crush all these delusionites who tell us what nattys can look like when none of them are natural themselves.
Alone we are mighty, together we'd be invincible ;D
Plus we can out-troll all our roiding friends :P
oh brother ;D
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oh brother ;D
Trolling = serious bidness ;D
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Some people are fast runners that other no matter how much they train.
Some people learn things quicker than others no matter how hard some people try.
Some people are more creative than others.
Some people are just more muscular than others.
exactly. Like that big pro Alphonzo Rio or whatever. Natural but great genetics for muscle mass
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lol, who is obsessed, you like to talk talk talk, you look like a fuckin natural bro, you know how many natural construction workers walking around who to the untrained eye look exactly like you? You are in perma bulker gym rat territory saying you look better than a guy who is stage ready, and then you talk shit to naturals, saying they are delusional lol, you look like you don't even do steroids! SHow me a natural who posts pics of himself TRYING TRYING TRYING to look bigger than he really is by popping out his shoulders! Only you do that. Why, because you look so good? No because you don't, you gotta create an illusion with a stupid pose. get the hell out of here with your fucking attitude lol
SORT OF TRUE SORT OF NOT.
THE GYM RAT PERMA BULKER IS TRUE. GET ON A CUT TBOMBZ.PROP,MAST,TREN AND GH(IF FINANCES CAN WITHSTAND) 4-5IU DAILY. DO IT.
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Please every fat guy says "oh I could diet if I wanted to, but I wanna be big." It takes dedication to get ripped and I dont mean shoving a bunch of clen down your throat. Actually eating eggs, tuna, chicken for days on end. Its real hard to develop muscle, shoving food down your trap every day and spiking yourself with hormones. The guy's who have never had a crisp ripped six-pack are the one's who say anyone can get one.
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both ripped and huge have to do with drugs, I mean if you have the drugs. You know what I am doing to get ripped? Half a pill of brokain 3 times a day, I skip lunch, I do 45 minutes on the stationary bike. WHy? All I have now is ephedrine, so I gotta work hard, but when I get my hands on chemicals it's gonna be a matter of injecting in my ass cheek and going to the gym and doing what I've always loved to do.
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Please every fat guy says "oh I could diet if I wanted to, but I wanna be big." It takes dedication to get ripped and I dont mean shoving a bunch of clen down your throught. Actually eating eggs, tuna, chicken for days on end. Its real hard to develop muscle, shoving food down your trap every day and spiking yourself with hormones. The guy's who have never had a crisp ripped six-pack are the one's who say anyone can get one.
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Please show me ONE lean massive bodybuilder who was not "a little smooth" at one point in their life and never had to get a little smooth at one point to get to the lean muscle they carry today. Very few.
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Please show me ONE lean massive bodybuilder who was not "a little smooth" at one point in their life and never had to get a little smooth at one point to get to the lean muscle they carry today. Very few.
TRUE.
BUT THATS WHAT GH15 SAYS IS THE DIFF BETWEEN FAT AND WATER. THERES BLOOFY, HIGH TESTOSTERONA BODYBUILDERS IN THE OFF-SEASON BUT THEN THERE'S THE DANTAS YOU KNOW?
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I really don't undertand what it is with getbig's obsession with being lean. Anyone can go on a diet for 8 weeks and get shredded, that doesn't get my respect. Growing your muscles huge, that is an impressive feat and anyone who lifts weights knows how hard 1 pound of muscle is to come by and the work it involves. I can only imagine how hard it gets once you reach "freak" size fuck that must take an insane amount of drugs. I remember when Groink was bulking and got to 270 and pretty smooth... everyone was giving him shit years ago...well who's laughing now? you guys remember Dave Tate? people on here called him a "Fat fuck" behind his back all the time lol. Did you see him after working with Trop for 10 weeks :o? Same with gh15 whats his deal with wanting to be lean all the time. I remember years ago he told us to eat some soup and gain some bf so we could work heavy on lots of deca and dbol and not worry about bf too much just grow grow grow and live by the scale. not no more now its all gh tren eq grow lean and stay at 6% year round. "Getbig" lol this place has turned into "getpretty"
N0 Y0U'RE WR0NG. ANY0NE CAN BE BIG AND FAT. N0T EVERY0NE CAN BE MUSCULAR AND LEAN. BIG DIFFERENCE. WHAT ARE Y0U G0ING T0 C0MPLIMENT A BIG GUY WITH A HIGH B0DY FAT PERCENTAGE 0N? HEY MAN L00KING G00D. Y0U'RE L00KING PUFFY AND SM00TH. N0 0NE CARES AB0UT BIG AND FAT GUYS.
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N0 Y0U'RE WR0NG. ANY0NE CAN BE BIG AND FAT. N0T EVERY0NE CAN BE MUSCULAR AND LEAN. BIG DIFFERENCE. WHAT ARE Y0U G0ING T0 C0MPLIMENT A BIG GUY WITH A HIGH B0DY FAT PERCENTAGE 0N? HEY MAN L00KING G00D. Y0U'RE L00KING PUFFY AND SM00TH. N0 0NE CARES AB0UT BIG AND FAT GUYS.
ID SAY THE CORRECTION HERE IS THIS GUY ^^ IS THE BEST A NATURAL CAN GET.
THIS IS MY ROOMATE'S BODY IF HE CARED, BUT HE DOESNT SO HE SPORTS THE 5'10,160LBS 5-6% LOOK WITH NO TRAINING, NO DIETING,ETC.
BUT WHAT STAV SHOWED IS A VERY GOOD NATURAL. IF TRULY RELAXED, IT'S ACTUALLY REAL SOLID.
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Please every fat guy says "oh I could diet if I wanted to, but I wanna be big." It takes dedication to get ripped and I dont mean shoving a bunch of clen down your throat. Actually eating eggs, tuna, chicken for days on end. Its real hard to develop muscle, shoving food down your trap every day and spiking yourself with hormones. The guy's who have never had a crisp ripped six-pack are the one's who say anyone can get one.
IT'S MUCH EASIER T0 BE A BIG FAT GUY THAN IT IS T0 BE LEAN AND MUSCULAR. 180 5 PERCENT IS FAR M0RE IMPRESSIVE THAN A 230 LBER WH0'S 15-17 PERCENT.
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exactly. Like that big pro Alphonzo Rio or whatever. Natural but great genetics for muscle mass
I admitted I was delusional about that.
Man I do not know what happened to you but you appear to have very gotten bitter and angry recently. I do not know the natural limits for people. Only thing I know is my own limits and capabilities and I know I am not the most gifted natural lifter in the world so why wouldn't there be people bigger/stronger than me.
Lots of people however on this board think that they are the absolute pinnacle of human genetics for lifting weights. The human body is an amazing thing and the natural variances that occur withing the species is insane. There are Giants nearly 9' tall and midgets barely over 2' tall. There are tribes of 4'6 pygmies and tribes of 6'6 males all on the same land mass.
Not everyone is destined to look exactly the same. At similar heights Muhammad Ali and Arnold were about 15lbs apart in weight yet think how different they looked man.
Lots of people take gear and do not turn into teh supermen they think they will and become bitter. Changes are you are either NOT the amazing physical specimen you believe you are and have been told or the stuff you are taking is watered down - A drug dealer sold you it after all remember. Probaly both.
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ID SAY THE CORRECTION HERE IS THIS GUY ^^ IS THE BEST A NATURAL CAN GET.
THANKS MAN.
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THANKS MAN.
NOW GET ON HORMONES.
TBOMBZ GET OFF THE DANTA STYLE.
ASSOLE GET ON HORMONES.
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I admitted I was delusional about that.
Man I do not know what happened to you but you appear to have very gotten bitter and angry recently. I do not know the natural limits for people. Only thing I know is my own limits and capabilities and I know I am not the most gifted natural lifter in the world so why wouldn't there be people bigger/stronger than me.
Lots of people however on this board think that they are the absolute pinnacle of human genetics for lifting weights. The human body is an amazing thing and the natural variances that occur withing the species is insane. There are Giants nearly 9' tall and midgets barely over 2' tall. There are tribes of 4'6 pygmies and tribes of 6'6 males all on the same land mass.
Not everyone is destined to look exactly the same. At similar heights Muhammad Ali and Arnold were about 15lbs apart in weight yet think how different they looked man.
Lots of people take gear and do not turn into teh supermen they think they will and become bitter. Changes are you are either NOT the amazing physical specimen you believe you are and have been told or the stuff you are taking is watered down - A drug dealer sold you it after all remember. Probaly both.
Great post, big G.
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N0 Y0U'RE WR0NG. ANY0NE CAN BE BIG AND FAT. N0T EVERY0NE CAN BE MUSCULAR AND LEAN. BIG DIFFERENCE. WHAT ARE Y0U G0ING T0 C0MPLIMENT A BIG GUY WITH A HIGH B0DY FAT PERCENTAGE 0N? HEY MAN L00KING G00D. Y0U'RE L00KING PUFFY AND SM00TH. N0 0NE CARES AB0UT BIG AND FAT GUYS.
When did I say "big and fat" you fucking retard. Fat does not mean muscle. And if being "huge and fat" (huge being muscle) then why don't you go do it?
pictures of dave tate who is not even a bodybuilder he is a powerlifter. Afterall it's very easy to build this kind of size right assbruise?
(http://[img]http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/06-042-diet/image015.png)[/img]
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/06-109-diet/image003.jpg)
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(http://www.elitefts.com/images/PICTURES/dave-diet/dave-jan08.jpg)
(http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/images/davetate.jpg)
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When did I say "big and fat" you fucking retard. Fat does not mean muscle. And if being "huge and fat" (huge being muscle) then why don't you go do it?
pictures of dave tate who is not even a bodybuilder he is a powerlifter. Afterall it's very easy to build this kind of size right assbruise?
(http://[img]http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/06-042-diet/image015.png)[/img]
(http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/06-109-diet/image003.jpg)
P0UT P0UT. CRY S0ME M0RE N0W. Y0U D0 REALIZE HE'S LIKE 8 PERCENT IN THE BEL0W PIC.
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lol, the t-nation site is full of lies.
i bet he got looking like that taking some quality biotest supplements ::)
i love their articles but you have to take them with a grain of salt. dave tate obviously didn't get looking like that from eating rice and chicken all day long.
same for CT in his transformational article a few years back. god i cant believe i read that article and actually thought that my fat ass would get looking like that in 10 weeks ::)
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lol, the t-nation site is full of lies.
i bet he got looking like that taking some quality biotest supplements ::)
i love their articles but you have to take them with a grain of salt. dave tate obviously didn't get looking like that from eating rice and chicken all day long.
same for CT in his transformational article a few years back. god i cant believe i read that article and actually thought that my fat ass would get looking like that in 10 weeks ::)
haha you read that too!? IT was some carb cycling bullshit right? ;D
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P0UT P0UT. CRY S0ME M0RE N0W. Y0U D0 REALIZE HE'S LIKE 8 PERCENT IN THE BEL0W PIC.
yes, I can see taht ::) wow you are retarted did you not see the other two pics?
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why you posting pics of a fat slob is a bette question
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I really don't undertand what it is with getbig's obsession with being lean. Anyone can go on a diet for 8 weeks and get shredded, that doesn't get my respect. Growing your muscles huge, that is an impressive feat and anyone who lifts weights knows how hard 1 pound of muscle is to come by and the work it involves. I can only imagine how hard it gets once you reach "freak" size fuck that must take an insane amount of drugs. I remember when Groink was bulking and got to 270 and pretty smooth... everyone was giving him shit years ago...well who's laughing now? you guys remember Dave Tate? people on here called him a "Fat fuck" behind his back all the time lol. Did you see him after working with Trop for 10 weeks :o? Same with gh15 whats his deal with wanting to be lean all the time. I remember years ago he told us to eat some soup and gain some bf so we could work heavy on lots of deca and dbol and not worry about bf too much just grow grow grow and live by the scale. not no more now its all gh tren eq grow lean and stay at 6% year round. "Getbig" lol this place has turned into "getpretty"
we talk about 'leanness' or more accurately, 'lean weight' because it helps measure what kind of gains you really made. i could eat pizza and mcdonalds all day, gain 20 pounds and talk about my 'gains' - but it would not be all muscle, not by a long shot. bulking up then leaning out to the same bodyfat, but being heavier than previous is what real gains are. its the basis of this natural limits discussion. example: 5'8"-165-6% "lol thats bullshit, im 5'8"-190" "whats your bodyfat" "15%" etc. etc.
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yes, I can see taht ::) wow you are retarted did you not see the other two pics?
Y0U'RE SAYING WHY IS EVERY0NE 0N GETBIG 0BSESSED AB0UT BEING LEAN AND THAT BEING BIG AND SM00TH IS 0KAY.S0 THEN Y0U P0ST A PIC 0F DAVE TATE AT 8 PERCENT T0 PR0VE Y0UR P0INT. Y0U D0N'T KN0W EVEN KN0W WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. Y0U'RE C0NFUSED.
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Y0U'RE SAYING WHY IS EVERY0NE 0N GETBIG 0BSESSED AB0UT BEING LEAN AND THAT BEING BIG AND SM00TH IS 0KAY.S0 THEN Y0U P0ST A PIC 0F DAVE TATE AT 8 PERCENT T0 PR0VE Y0UR P0INT. Y0U D0N'T KN0W EVEN KN0W WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. Y0U'RE C0NFUSED.
dude are you still arguing with me on this? YES I SEE DAVE IS AT LEAST 8% in that picture with the drink in his hand, I meant to upload the other two pics (where he is fat as fuck) but the order of the pics came out wrong. Figured most would be able to catch on to that , apparently not, ;) idiot
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(http://www.elitefts.com/images/PICTURES/dave-diet/dave-jan08.jpg)
(http://www.muscleandbrawn.com/images/davetate.jpg)
these are the ones I meant to post "first". kapeesh?
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Nice posts Ursus, i completely agree.
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Nice posts Ursus, i completely agree.
Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics ;D
I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)
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He's obviously natural Stavios, he told me so. ::)
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Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics ;D
I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)
Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG
However
I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally. There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally. I am NOT the most gifted natural at all.
If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)
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Ok no offense to Ursus, but he is the guy that said that his goal was to look like this picture below naturally, and that it was perfectly possible for a natural who has good genetics ;D
I hope that makes you reconsider Ursus's opinions on what a natural can or cannot do ( no offence, ursus)
Honest mistake by Ursus. :P :) i dont know what the limits are but i would prefer to approach it from a perspective of there being a pretty high ceiling.
From personal experience i have seen huge variables in regards to most things in life and i dont think bodybuilding is greatly different to that. As i said before there are weight ceilings but as to the visual appearance of that weight, it going to vary hugely. Think of how different a pro looks when waterlogged compared to when dried out. Something so small makes a huge difference visually.
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WHILE THERE ARE STATS THAT CANN0T BE ACHEIVED NATURALLY. I'VE CAME T0 THE C0NCLUSI0N THAT M0ST GETBIGGERS HAVE NEVER REACHED THEIR NATURAL MAX AND HAVE N0 IDEA H0W T0 TRAIN PR0PERLY.
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Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG
However
I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally. There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally. I am NOT the most gifted natural at all.
If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)
i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)
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Yes it was my goal back when I was young and delusional - I said I would 'strive' for that physique and I foolishly said "I'll come pretty damn close naturally" WRONG
However
I am a lean (ish) 260lbs with reasonable strength and decent shape naturally.There is no reason why someone my height and bodyfat could not be 270lbs naturally.
If I recall you take steroids and GH therefore YOU are not in a position to advise what a natural can or cannot do either. (No offence Stavios)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KljuTcXd7NU/TlDsBUkly_I/AAAAAAAAAmA/xJlHiO5iHms/s1600/files_troll_2.jpg)
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Everyone makes mistakes man. Don't let them get to you.
I would rather believe anything is possible than to set such narrow minded limits like most of the people here do. The first step of achieving anything in this life is believing it is achievable. Those who don't believe will never even try. Most of the people on here think that a natural can't achieve anything, therefore they give up and turn to drugs as the answer. When drugs don't work, its genetics, and so on.
Yes, but come one now no one in his right mine would believe this guy is natural.
not me.
not you.
not a 13 years old kid who knows nothing about training.
not a 60 years old ironager
everybody would say it's impossible to look like this without drug.
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shwo em a damn pic of the goudy fella iwill tell you if he is natural ,, make sure you show 2 diff pictures ,, please no special lights do me a favoru,, actualy doesnt matter yuo canput xmass lights wotn mater,, just put 2 pictures so i can see
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i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)
Yo have a good structure but given your time on hormones you do seem to have trouble holding lean muscle. I have seen natty's who carry a lot of muscle, not 260lb no lol but a lot of muscle with stand out bodyparts. I sit between you and Ursus with my view points tbh. There are definate limits size wise as a natty. But overall look and build is dictated by genetics of which there is a wide variance. That guy you posted would carry about a stone extra muscle upperbody if he were gifted, or at least look like he did.
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i won't argue your natural status because it doesn't matter. When in real life ( and i have been training for a few years now) i will see someone who is bigger than me at the same bodyfat while being natural, then i'll believe it. It won't happen by the way
i not bitter i just think you guys are delusional. You are all claiming top amateurs stats on this board. I am honest about what i use and you seem to have a problem with that but it's funny you think i have shit genetic and in real life people who actually know something about bodybuilding tell me.otherwise (and they know what i take)
I have never said you have shit genetics. I think you have a very good physique.
Was I silly to make a claim like I did back in 08? Indeed.
Am I silly to think that I will not add another 10lbs to my frame at the same bodyfat in the next 15 years? Nope. You forget I am over 6'3 and not overly lean.
I am not anti-steroids but rather pro-natural. I have not and will not take steroids or pro-hormones. Am I claiming top natural status? Nope. Far from it honestly I have no idea what I would look like at 5% and the amount of weight I would lose etc
Being delusional is only kidding yourself. Being bitter is only hurting yourself.
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I have never said you have shit genetics. I think you have a very good physique.
Was I silly to make a claim like I did back in 08? Indeed.
Am I silly to think that I will not add another 10lbs to my frame at the same bodyfat in the next 15 years? Nope. You forget I am over 6'3 and not overly lean.
I am not anti-steroids but rather pro-natural. I have not and will not take steroids or pro-hormones. Am I claiming top natural status? Nope. Far from it honestly I have no idea what I would look like at 5% and the amount of weight I would lose etc
Being delusional is only kidding yourself. Being bitter is only hurting yourself.
Great post and good , positive attitude.
A lot of these getbiggers operate on this mantra:
1. Nobody can get very big and strong without a lot of drugs.
2. Anyone claiming natural status who is bigger then me is a liar.
See folks, the reality that you are just avergae is a tough pill to swollow.
Far better to dream about getting the magic potion from the wise wizzard hahaha.
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Great post and good , positive attitude.
A lot of these getbiggers operate on this mantra:
1. Nobody can get very big and strong without a lot of drugs.
2. Anyone claiming natural status who is bigger then me is a liar.
See folks, the reality that you are just avergae is a tough pill to swollow.
Far better to dream about getting the magic potion from the wise wizzard hahaha.
GETBIG HAS G0NE INT0 THE REALM 0F INSANITY. WHILE I D0N'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING Y0U SAY, 0N GETBIG EVEN IF Y0U HAVE NATURAL STATS AND PUT 0N 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE FR0M LIFTING Y0U'RE DEEMED A R0ID USER.
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GETBIG HAS G0NE INT0 THE REALM 0F INSANITY. WHILE I D0N'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING Y0U SAY, 0N GETBIG EVEN IF Y0U HAVE NATURAL STATS AND PUT 0N 20 LBS 0F MUSCLE FR0M LIFTING Y0U'RE DEEMED A R0ID USER.
Ya know it is all part of the getbig game and nothing else. I'm not even sure how much of this many getbiggers REALLY believe.
If they do, oh well, hahaha ::) It's all fun , no more, no less.
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Ya know it is all part of the getbig game and nothing else. I'm not even sure how much of this many getbiggers REALLY believe.
If they do, oh well, hahaha ::) It's all fun , no more, no less.
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
Holy shit, spot on. This is exactly what it was for me.
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Goudy lay off the dbol man.
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Holy shit, spot on. This is exactly what it was for me.
14 lb upperbody away from top natural.
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Holy shit, spot on. This is exactly what it was for me.
not quite,, what he wrote is generaly good descriptions,,but true natural rarely will get compliments with his shirt on ,, RARELy ,, they all look smaller and THICKLESS,,not always small but small to average and thickless,, when fellas compliment you in gymnasium and say they want to look like you one of those days....you are in 9 out of 10 cases on hormones,, actualy 10 out of 10 cases,,
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not quite,, what he wrote is generaly good descriptions,,but true natural rarely will get compliments with his shirt on ,, RARELy ,, they all look smaller and THICKLESS,,not always small but small to average and thickless,, when fellas compliment you in gymnasium and say they want to look like you one of those days....you are in 9 out of 10 cases on hormones,, actualy 10 out of 10 cases,,
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here's a funny story. when i was 18 i moved to Calgary from the small town i grew up in where i trained in my parents basement (nothing unusual for a getbigger!!). i joined Golds Gym and had been training since i was 12 with the goal of being a bodybuilder. so i'm working out there for a couple weeks and the trainer comes up and talks to me. he says i have a good physique. then he says 'you're natural arent' you?' my naive reply was ' fuk that, i trained my ass off to look like this!!!'
i thought natural meant that i looked like that without ever working out, didn't know people used steroids, lol. the guy looked at me like i was a moron!! this was 1983
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5'10, about 180 lbs
lean but not that lean
impressive physique in the gym for the average gym members, women compliment him on his size
other dude compliment him on his ability to get compliments from women ;D
nobody says he is huge, everybody says he is in good shape and people who start working out have him as a goal
most importantly, Stavios doesn't call bullshit when he tells me he takes nothing but proteins and creatine
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=397349.0;attach=433455;image)
that = natural physique
put that in your blunt and smoke it
take 20 pounds of fat away so you can be a deceant 10%bf and yeah perhaps that would be a good natural physique. Because it's that's not exactly "impressive"
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take 20 pounds of fat away so you can be a deceant 10%bf and yeah perhaps that would be a good natural physique. Because it's that's not exactly "impressive"
its the pose,, its the way pic taken,, it is many things you cant see through picture,, fella is in shape,, he is not 6% but he is in shape and toned ,, he is not small either ,, average 180lb 10% ,, he is soft and lack density due to lack of hormones in system,, he also lack muscular development due to lack of hormones and time on hormones,, he is just natural 10% that would be considered athletic frat physiqe by any americano whore,, thats what they would go out with and consider in shape...and it is in shape just not bodybuild level ,, lack thickness,, lack other things due to not being on syntetic hormones
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its the pose,, its the way pic taken,, it is many things you cant see through picture,, fella is in shape,, he is not 6% but he is in shape and toned ,, he is not small either ,, average 180lb 10% ,, he is soft and lack density due to lack of hormones in system,, he also lack muscular development due to lack of hormones and time on hormones,, he is just natural 10% that would be considered athletic frat physiqe by any americano whore,, thats what they would go out with and consider in shape...and it is in shape just not bodybuild level ,, lack thickness,, lack other things due to not being on syntetic hormones
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We don't have to compare him to bodybuilding standards, lets compare him to other gymrats that train hard for themselves.
He has muscle and he is in shape and good size. But as far as him being "impressive" or a chick magnet because of his physical attributes, the ass kissing goes too far :P ! He definetely is not 10%, man, you know better than that! More like 15%.
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We don't have to compare him to bodybuilding standards, lets compare him to other gymrats that train hard for themselves.
He has muscle and he is in shape and good size. But as far as him being "impressive" or a chick magnet because of his physical attributes, the ass kissing goes too far :P ! He definetely is not 10%, man, you know better than that! More like 15%.
didnt say he was whore magnet,, most female go for face have nothing to do with body ,, what i do say is....he is not even close to 15%,, he is much MUCH less,, you dont have the belly button with this elasticity and you dotn have the vein into the arm ....and you dont have the pecs all lined in a stage before getting squary-round...actualy they are already into the squary zone only he is soft... you dont have all that when you are 15% ,, this is 10% the fella according to pic is 10% if i had to truly say what i think about his bodyfat ...he is less,, he is at 8-9% only soft ..his abdominals also start showing tunnels,, they are wet tunnels due to WATER RETENTION AND FAT,, but it sits right on him it is not a lot of fat it is 8-9% with some estrogenic component due to him being natural and having no syntetic hormone in system
then again most fellas dont know their bodybuild so they will throw somethign like 10-13% at the poor fella and make him diet himself into nowhereless,, he need go on hormones if want to advance ,,
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its the pose,, its the way pic taken,, it is many things you cant see through picture,, fella is in shape,, he is not 6% but he is in shape and toned ,, he is not small either ,, average 180lb 10% ,, he is soft and lack density due to lack of hormones in system,, he also lack muscular development due to lack of hormones and time on hormones,, he is just natural 10% that would be considered athletic frat physiqe by any americano whore,, thats what they would go out with and consider in shape...and it is in shape just not bodybuild level ,, lack thickness,, lack other things due to not being on syntetic hormones
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he would have more luck if he made steroids in the basement-get some powders from kneller and go to work
Tren , Tren, Tren and more tren.2 grams test, 1 gram nandrolona ,anapolan like tictacs and HGH (18IU)ED and insulin like mad manED make bitches drop to their panties-ED
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he would have more luck if he made steroids in the basement-get some powders from kneller and go to work
Tren , Tren, Tren and more tren.2 grams test, 1 gram nandrolona ,anapolan like tictacs and HGH (18IU)ED and insulin like mad manED make bitches drop to their panties-ED
no,, a fella liek this need
tren ace 100mg every day or 2
testosterona propioneta 50mg every 2-3 days
masteron for anti estrogen aspect 50mg every 2 day
and thats it! ,, that will put fella like him in a 190lb 6% of chizeled mother fuckin fitness model level ,, he will look like bodybuild ....local bodybuild but a good good good local bodybuild ,,
no need for 2 gram testosterona if you have no gh in blood,, you need gh and preferably in the 15+ iu for 2 gram testosterona in blood,,5iu gh you can do well with 1 gram testosterona but also it better be LEGIT GH!
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hey gh15 while you're at it, what bf% do you estimate this physique to be?
P.S Don't even ask about the picture itself... I know I know. Dirty ass mirror, flower shorts, dirty background etc. It's a long story ;D
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if he is 8%, then I'm 3% :D
his ribs don't show and he's not ripped... when you go below 10% you will start seeing the ripped look.
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here's a funny story. when i was 18 i moved to Calgary from the small town i grew up in where i trained in my parents basement (nothing unusual for a getbigger!!). i joined Golds Gym and had been training since i was 12 with the goal of being a bodybuilder. so i'm working out there for a couple weeks and the trainer comes up and talks to me. he says i have a good physique. then he says 'you're natural arent' you?' my naive reply was ' fuk that, i trained my ass off to look like this!!!'
i thought natural meant that i looked like that without ever working out, didn't know people used steroids, lol. the guy looked at me like i was a moron!! this was 1983
So when did you start making money and what was it that you did?
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if he is 8%, then I'm 3% :D
his ribs don't show and he's not ripped... when you go below 10% you will start seeing the ripped look.
not always friend,, it is depending on how much water you hold and where!,, it really depend on this factor,, the ripped look has to do with skin and water under the skin inbetween skin and muscle,, this fella is NATURAL ,, he is truly a natural i dont know maybe used some halodrol but really not injects and long term hormonal usage,, he is soft and pretty much sit at 8-9% only soft,, he is not posing he just stand there take picture probably picture of him was stolen with out him knowing lol,, just by looking in the abdominals and pecs you can tell fella is in the sub 10% ,, he is not 6% ....but he is in the sub 10% ,, you can see the skin wrap itself around muscle,, in a softtttt way but it is there,, the muscle is there ,, he is very similar to simlly huge from this boarding,, simply huge from this boarding when not fat....lol is 8-9% on regular basis and this is very similar to him ,, both physiqe on hormons for prolonged duration are national level physiqes...like any other physiqes who are seriuous about bodybuild and go on hormones and do it consistantly
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hey gh15 while you're at it, what bf% do you estimate this physique to be?
P.S Don't even ask about the picture itself... I know I know. Dirty ass mirror, flower shorts, dirty background etc. It's a long story ;D
6-7% but lack thickness and density thats why it is 6-7% ...if you hav e more density and thickness you would be sub 6% ,, pretty dry ,, not bad
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clean or natural built legs.
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natural^^^
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Lovemonkey pic for reference...
10-12%.....NOT 6-7%
haha oh brother ::) 12% are you nuts? just shut up
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take a look at his avatar and then at his screen name lol, maybe he's being ironic
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take a look at his avatar and then at his screen name lol, maybe he's being ironic
;D
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He has some visible abs in that photo. no bottom abs at all. i would call that 10-12%. If you think that is 6-7% YOU are nuts. I can understand since you've probably never been sub 20% in your life that you have no concept of what it is to be 6-7%.
I could see that. No way I was 6% there. That picture was from this summer.. I'm now trying to lean out even more and hit my abs a little bit harder. It's working pretty well so far and I'm starting to see a vein or two on my lower abs.
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6-7% lol? He looks 10+ % in that pic. Doesn't look fat, but definitely not 6-7. 10-12% is more realistic.
wrong,, he is flat,, flat due to many reasons,, look in the belly button flat belly buttom ,, it doesnt mean directly alot becaus eosme fellas skin is not elastic as others,, but over all with this belly buttom flatness and with whats going on under the belly button and over all hardnes drynes and density ....with his low muscle mass which is the only thing that make you NOT being able to see he is 6-7% ....he is at around 7% really depends on the day ,, this fella is 7% in a bad day ,,notice the shape of pecstorials you have the line under visible and also not much water which even in the eyes of the none profesional it will give a single digit number so the worst fellas will put him is 8-9% but he is not he is 6-7% ,, he is very lean fella leaner than you ,,this is one picture too and it is the dumb yellow light that all of you use for god knows why since if there is muscle ther eis muscle if there is defitiniion there is defition ,,
generaly speaking ,, this is what 6-7% look like on fella thta lack thickness,, take groink and you will see what 7-8% look like on fella with thickness,, you fgrom las pictures i seen was 8-9% then i also see you before 6% when you say you are 8-9% ,,common mistakes of water and fat miscalculations ,,
he is 7% if im mean to him and as you all knwo i dotn liek being mean : )
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Here are some more pictures.. first one is from spring I think and the second one is around July.. a couple of months apart. I think the weight is the same in both pictures.
The little pouch on my lower belly in the first pic was most likely not fat but rather an inability of me to flex my abs properly.. I never worked my abs up until like a month ago lol. That pouch is now gone and I only lost at most 1-2kg since that pic.
And again, brutal flower shorts ;D
Btw I'm around 88-90 kg at 190 cm. Roughly 200lbs and 6'2.
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Lovemonkey, post a pic where your arms aren't in the way, for the list. 8)
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Lovemonkey, post a pic where your arms aren't in the way, for the list. 8)
Well in the first pic the arms are out of the way.. here's a complimentary pic of my back.. nothing awe-inspiring to say the least, but hey I'm happy with what I've got.
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8% ...holding water and well...8% bodyfat in this pictures,,you woudl be easily 6% on every day basis if increase lean muscle 5lb ... its just matter of thicknening a bit so the morons see you got the muscle going through the skin insted of the skin going through the muscle lol
this is good build
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Well in the first pic the arms are out of the way.. here's a complimentary pic of my back.. nothing awe-inspiring to say the least, but hey I'm happy with what I've got.
Nice taper. Props bro
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here's a funny story. when i was 18 i moved to Calgary from the small town i grew up in where i trained in my parents basement (nothing unusual for a getbigger!!). i joined Golds Gym and had been training since i was 12 with the goal of being a bodybuilder. so i'm working out there for a couple weeks and the trainer comes up and talks to me. he says i have a good physique. then he says 'you're natural arent' you?' my naive reply was ' fuk that, i trained my ass off to look like this!!!'
i thought natural meant that i looked like that without ever working out, didn't know people used steroids, lol. the guy looked at me like i was a moron!! this was 1983
hazbin
u got awesome lean muscle genetics
u shlda been a Pro!
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Stavios getting owned by naturals on this thread. 8)
lol, you thought tommy jeffers was a lifetime natural, you shouldn't speak about naturals.
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lol, you thought tommy jeffers was a lifetime natural, you shouldn't speak about naturals.
8)
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I wasn't knocking how you looked btw. Good taper in the back pic. You look pretty lean in all the pics you posted.
I still stand by my assessment of around 10%. 6% is getting close to competition shape, and I dont think those pics are anywhere near that. Your body requires 3% just to survive. And most people who compete dont have shredded glutes which is probably at around 4%. So people competing are probably around 5-6% bodyfat.
The more muscle you carry the tighter the skin around the muscle, also water makes a big visual difference.
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And he needs to lose some fat.
What for? ???