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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: galeniko on April 03, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
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if you havent, you dfinitely should
here you go, the guy is a highly educated person,and this puts some of your diet suggestions iinto question.
its 90minutes, but i think every bbuilder should watch this,its very valueable for anyone.
so many things which i have noticed by myself but wasnt entirely sure are explained and confirmed here.
not knowcking on your diet btw, 150gramms of protein a day and a portion of fries will actully make anyone lean if given enough time, but its far from optimal.
and the calorie is a calorie thing is burried for good by the professor.
I just said this same exact statement. All of these diets will "work" if they are hypo caloric, but that doesn't mean they are OPTIMAL for retaining the most muscle, or burning the most amount of fat possible. I think people are drawn to the easier methods, like IIFYM or Adonis Principles, etc because of cenvenience and ease. (No disrespect to Adonis as I like the guy very much.) But IMO and experience nothing beats the older tried and true methods.
Key concept here being the OPTIMAL way to accomplish your goal.
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I just said this same exact statement. All of these diets will "work" if they are hypo caloric, but that doesn't mean they are OPTIMAL for retaining the most muscle, or burning the most amount of fat possible. I think people are drawn to the easier methods, like IIFYM or Adonis Principles, etc because of cenvenience and ease. (No disrespect to Adonis as I like the guy very much.) But IMO and experience nothing beats the older tried and true methods.
Key concept here being the OPTIMAL way to accomplish your goal.
You are pushing the limits of hetero here champ!
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You are pushing the limits of hetero here champ!
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Great video, great info.
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http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/
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so what's this vid about? the dangers of sugar?
i was never much a sugar eater when i got ripped on junk food
my biggest sin was loads of saturated fat ie. pizza, french fires, chessebugers, etc
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Waiting on Falcon's input.
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Reading about and doing the ketogenic diets back in the day I was already aware fructose was metabolized different by the liver. I didn't even eat a piece of fruit for a long time knowing this.
Its true that in today's market that hfcs is everywhere....no wonder everyones fat.
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Reading about and doing the ketogenic diets back in the day I was already aware fructose was metabolized different by the liver. I didn't even eat a piece of fruit for a long time knowing this.
Its true that in today's market that hfcs is everywhere....no wonder everyones fat.
everyone is fat due to excess cals homeslice
and it's got nothing to do with glucose, fructose, blucose or whatever other 'cose you can name
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everyone is fat due to excess cals homeslice
and it's got nothing to do with glucose, fructose, blucose or whatever other 'cose you can name
everyones fat cause they're too stupid to know what is what.
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you are a quarter educated fool and have no idea what youre talking about
;D ;D ;D
fyi, i'm sitting @ sub-7 right now with veins running up and down my ab wall ;)
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he says fruit are kinda ok for they have fiber and are nutritious, but yeah,damn, sugar and fructose,i had no idea it was that bad.and alcohol,i always wondered about how that is metabolized.
now i know :-X
this video alone is motivational enough for me to keep eating clean.the visceral fat and metabolic syndrom topic was interesting aswell.
the people are so dumb to think a can of coke isnt bad, or fruit juice is healthy, theyre so stupid and they dont realize why they get fat.
and precsely these ppl develop the metabolic syndrome.slowly but surely.
its also interesting what he says on working out and cardio.
its a travesty what mags are putting into print.
you are a quarter educated fool and have no idea what youre talking about
Yeah I was too extreme back then but I still won't eat fruit during a cut. And definitely all that stuff will have a more negative effect if you live a sedentary life style. We'd be ok but not optimal as you said before. I like to make every calorie count...
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I didn't read. You will lose weight in a caloric deficit.
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;D ;D ;D
fyi, i'm sitting @ sub-7 right now with veins running up and down my ab wall ;)
How did you attain this?
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I find a great way to lose weight is to drink nothing all day but water. If you cut out juice/milk/soda/beer that's a ton of calories.
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brother,do you even lift?
you know, your advice is for ppl who read fmh and want "lose some weight"
losing weight and losing fat isnt the same thing
and as for losing weight in calric deficit, well, lets see.have a generous carb up day,and then feed yourself nothing but beer and oreos,staying at maintainanc calorie intake for a week and see what hapens.
I will use the Adonis principles in that case.
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im not sure you even train, beyond lifting the booze to your mouth daily, so why would you worry about diet
Decent assesment. People have demons. I still look better then Pellius. Have you seen Hostel?
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How did you attain this?
cutting calories, that's how
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yeah seen hostel,why
lol pellius ;D
I picture you wearing an Addidas track suit 24/7. Hold on, I will gove you a compliment. You look good.
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cutting calories, that's how
Let's see some pics, champ. I'd like to see what your methods have produced.
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Being lean and being healthy are two entirely different things. Lots of lean guys who are the picture of health drop dead daily. The average American eats about 140 pounds of various sugars per year.
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So much for caloric deficit and fat loss.
“[Certain genetically obese mice] will fatten excessively regardless of how much they eat. The obesity is not dependent on the number of calories they consume… “These mice will make fat out of their food under the most unlikely circumstances, even when half starved,” [researcher Jean] Mayer had reported. And if starved sufficiently, these animals can be reduced to the same weight as lean mice, but they’ll still be fatter. They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their [fat] tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice… they become emaciated versions of fat mice.
Francis Benedict reported this in 1936, when he fasted a strain of obese mice. They lost 60 percent of their body fat before they died of starvation, but still had five times as much body fat as lean mice (!!!!!!)* that were allowed to eat as much as they desired.”
“In 1981, M.R.C. Greenwood reported that if she restricted the diet of an obese strain of rats known as Zucker rats… and did it from birth onward, these rats would actually grow fatter by adulthood than their littermates who were allowed to eat to their hearts’ content. Clearly, the number of calories these rats consumed over the course of their life was not the critical factor in their obesity (unless we are prepared to argue that eating fewer calories induces greater obesity)… these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50% less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30% less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat.”
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Despite half a century of research there is still no evidence that natural saturated fat (like butter, eggs etc.) is anything but completely safe to eat.
Have a look at these recent reviews of all the evidence:
Insufficient evidence of association is present for intake of … saturated or polyunsaturated fatty acids; total fat … meat, eggs and milk.
Mente A, et al. A systematic review of the evidence supporting a causal link between dietary factors and coronary heart disease. Arch Intern Med. 2009 Apr 13;169(7):659-69.
There were no clear effects of dietary fat changes on total mortality or cardiovascular mortality…
Hooper L, et al. Reduced or modified dietary fat for preventing cardiovascular disease. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2011 Jul 6;(7):CD002137.
…no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.
Siri-Tarino PW, et al. Meta-analysis of prospective cohort studies evaluating the association of saturated fat with cardiovascular disease. Am J Clin Nutr. 2010 Mar;91(3):535-46.
But wait, what about butter and other high fat dairy specifically? Well, actually people consuming it are if anything thinner and healthier than others:
The observational evidence does not support the hypothesis that dairy fat or high-fat dairy foods contribute to obesity or cardiometabolic risk…
Kratz M, et al. The relationship between high-fat dairy consumption and obesity, cardiovascular, and metabolic disease. European Journal of Nutrition, Online First™, 18 July 2012
This means that the scientific foundation of the low fat dietary advice has fallen. The reasons for it today are mainly economical (low fat high sugar products are very lucrative and finances a lot of lobbying), combined with old-fashioned prestige and inertia.
The low fat dietary advice has become a house of cards with nothing to support it. It is just a question of time before it’s apparent to everybody.
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Being lean and being healthy are two entirely different things. Lots of lean guys who are the picture of health drop dead daily. The average American eats about 140 pounds of various sugars per year.
IMO
genetics=health
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I find a great way to lose weight is to drink nothing all day but water. If you cut out juice/milk/soda/beer that's a ton of calories.
I never understand people wanting to lose weight who goes on diets, but they still drink fruit juice. Fruit juice is the devil, concentrated sugar. Even if it's no added sugar, it is a hell of a lot sugar to gulp down breakfast, lunch etc.
I always drink water and never a whole glass of milk, juice or soda.
I do drink coffee and sometimes a zero carb soda like Pepsi Max to keep me from losing my mind :-\
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Good points Disgusted re Sat fats.
It's taken me years to convince my wife that there is 0% health risks associated with eating full fat milk, cream, bacon fat, beef fat, yoghurt with fat lol!
Obviously if you have an unbalanced diet, the LACK of vital nutrients (not the slight SURPLUS) of macronutrients such as Sat Fat, will be the root issue of related health problems!
When dieting, if your goal is to lose bodyfat, you obviously dont want to be eating too much sat fat @ 9kcal per gram lol, but if you fancy a bit then fuck it! Just don't eat over your calorie deficit.
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Waiting on Falcon's input.
first time we have heard that one.
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I never understand people wanting to lose weight who goes on diets, but they still drink fruit juice. Fruit juice is the devil, concentrated sugar. Even if it's no added sugar, it is a hell of a lot sugar to gulp down breakfast, lunch etc.
I always drink water and never a whole glass of milk, juice or soda.
I do drink coffee and sometimes a zero carb soda like Pepsi Max to keep me from losing my mind :-\
Yes x1000. For example it's super-easy to suck down a big glass of orange juice for breakfast and a large soda at lunch. That's probably near 600 calories. Replace that with water and there's your caloric deficit for a day or two.
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trying to think of an apropos Shitels tune here for this thread, maybe this will do....
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Cliff notes?
Don't need them really, as I can guess what nonsense the guy was spewing from all the posts here. There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense. Try to eat in surplus or maintenance level of calories with all the "perfect" foods you can think of, let's see if you lose any weight. It may be required for elite competitive bodybuilding, but for anybody else just trying to look good it is a waste imo. There is nothing wrong with fruit or any other sugar either, if one is in a déficit, fat will be lost even while eating fructose or any other sugar.
I agree with dj in that genetics=health. And lol at using studies done on mice for a conclusión on humans. ::) Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.
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Cliff notes?
Don't need them really, as I can guess what nonsense the guy was spewing from all the posts here. There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense,,,it may be required for elite competitive bodybuilding, but for anybody else just trying to look good it is a waste imo. There is also nothing wrong with fruit or any other sugar, if one is in a déficit, fat will be lost even while eating fructose or any other sugar.
I agree with dj in that genetics=health. And lol at using studies done on mice for a conclusión on humans. ::) Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.
Yeah bro, but this is a bodybuilding board. By nature many of us want to use OPTIMAL methods for achieving the best results....not subpar results. Hence why we watch vids done by boring Biochem professors. It's not nonsense, this isn't the Men's Health board.
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Want to know about an experiment done on a human being that shows calorie déficit >>any diet, for fat loss, health, etc? Search for Twinkie Diet by Profess. Mark Haub...or better yet, search for Mcdonalds diet by Chazz Weaver.
Curious what bf levels these guys made it to on these diets....
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There is no easier way to lose weight/fat drug free than with a calorie déficit, I'd dare say there is no other way. All this crap about eating "clean", "healthy", "keto" or any other nonsense is just that, nonsense.
ex-fucking-actly
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Yeah bro, but this is a bodybuilding board. By nature many of us want to use OPTIMAL methods for achieving the best results....not subpar results. Hence why we watch vids done by boring Biochem professors. It's not nonsense, this isn't the Men's Health board.
Was this doctor's lecture aimed at bodybuilders?
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IMO
genetics=health
No genetics is the gun, diet is the trigger.
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Curious what bf levels these guys made it to on these diets....
I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.
But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.
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Was this doctor's lecture aimed at bodybuilders?
Does not matter....enzyme kinetics are still constant.
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I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.
But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.
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I don't have the exact numbers (google them if you want to know), but the profesor lost quite a bit of weight, obviously he wasn't ripped as it wasn't his intention to. Chazz Weaver on the other hand got to be pretty lean with it, again google him if you want to know.
But if you really want proof about how any diet works or how one can eat anything and get ripped just using a calorie déficit, look no further than past bodybuilders like Mentzer or current drug free guys like Alberto Nunez or that guy Timberwolf.
Here's an example of a guy on a diet based on the principles you talk about.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346726.0
Meal 1 = milk and protein powder = 275cals - 35p, 14c, 10f
Meal 2 = milk and protein powder = 275cals - 35p, 14c, 10f
Meal 3 = Chinese Style Chicken curry + egg fried rice = 556cals, 31p, 65c, 17f
Hiit cardio - 5 mins warmup /5 mins 20-10sec /5 mins cool down
Snack - 2 kitkats = 214cals - 2p, 26c, 10f
Meal 4 - Sweet and Sour Chicken + egg fried rice = 540cals, 32p, 84c, 7f
Daily Totals = 1991cals -140p, 212c, 61f
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=346726.0;attach=397507;image)
That pic is the "after", after 3-4 months of dieting.
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Does not matter....enzyme kinetics are still constant.
What do you mean it doesn't matter? ??? It matters if regular people or regular trainees listen to him since it will: 1. confuse them for no reason. 2. Be completely useless and pointless for them. 3. They could reach their physique goals without it.
You said so yourself and I agree, if we're talking about competitive bodybuilding, then it may be useful info.
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Here's an example of a guy on a diet based on the principles you talk about.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=346726.0
Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".
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What do you mean it doesn't matter? ??? It matters if regular people or regular trainees listen to him since it will: 1. confuse them for no reason. 2. Be completely useless and pointless for them. 3. They could reach their physique goals without it.
You said so yourself and I agree, if we're talking about competitive bodybuilding, then it may be useful info.
Hey fuck you pal!!!
JK 8) I dunno what we're arguing about. Yeah Im saying his principles are basic nutritional principles, they apply to everyone, so they are the BEST, or the most OPTIMAL. But, yah I agree that if someone doesn't care about the most optimal methods, use whatever hypocaloric deal you want. It's certainly easier to eat bad foods when dieting, but it won't achieve the most optimal results.
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Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".
Uhm, I don't think he's the only one that failed at getting ripped on hamburguers and candies.
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Hey fuck you pal!!!
JK 8) I dunno what we're arguing about. Yeah Im saying his principles are basic nutritional principles, they apply to everyone, so they are the BEST, or the most OPTIMAL. But, yah I agree that if someone doesn't care about the most optimal methods, use whatever hypocaloric deal you want. It's certainly easier to eat bad foods when dieting, but it won't achieve the most optimal results.
But here is the thing, what are optimal results? Wouldn't optimal be if a person reaches his particular goals? If someone is able to lose weight, get lean or even ripped while following their own "diet", then his way would be optimal. Who is to say what is optimal and what isn't?
Since you guys like using bodybuilders as examples of diet success, take a look at Shawn Ray, I remember watching a video of him showing that he ate fruit everyday during his contest preparation. Would you say his way was not optimal even if he got shredded with it?
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Lol, for one person that failed with it you'll have five that succeeded, same with all the other "diets".
he might have "imagined" that he was following that "diet"
but i guar-goddamn-tee that he wasn't
he ate those cals plus lots extra that he "forgot" to mention
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Uhm, I don't think he's the only one that failed at getting ripped on hamburguers and candies.
Ok Ok, for every 10th person that failed you'll have another ten people that succeeded. Same as with any other diet.
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Ok Ok, for every 10th person that failed you'll have another ten people that succeeded. Same as with any other diet.
Good, so you agree that with the diet you talk about a lot of guys will also fail.
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he might have "imagined" that he was following that "diet"
but i guar-goddamn-tee that he wasn't
he ate those cals plus lots extra that he "forgot" to mention
I agree he was probably still overeating.
I also saw that midway and towards the end of his diet he was consuming almost 3000 calories, no wonder he didn't lose anymore, I think there is the answer.
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You guys are guessing, that proves nothing. The guy was genetically chubby, and a diet like that just didn't work for him. IMO It would have worked for an ectomorph, althought it would be really hard for them to be that fat in the first place.
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Good, so you agree that with the diet you talk about a lot of guys will also fail.
Yes, typically by either, most of the times, still overeating or sometimes cutting calories too low too quick without any refeeds.
imo, the best diet is the one you can stick to without any problems for a long time and helps you reach your goals, but you can't deny that an energy deficit is what causes fat loss, at least if we're speaking from a drug free point of view. You can eat all the so called perfect foods all you want, if you're overeating you'll still get fat and if you're not in a deficit you probably won't lose any.
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You guys are guessing, that proves nothing. The guy was genetically chubby, and a diet like that just didn't work for him. IMO It would have worked for an ectomorph, althought it would be really hard for them to be that fat in the first place.
I don't get this arguing about diet stuff. I know what works for me after trying every single diet out there and I will stick to that. Most of these eat whatever you want guys look like shit cause when it comes to gaining mass they eat the same...just more of it.
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Yes, typically by either, most of the times, still overeating or sometimes cutting calories too low too quick without any refeeds.
imo, the best diet is the one you can stick to without any problems for a long time and helps you reach your goals, but you can't deny that an energy deficit is what causes fat loss, at least if we're speaking from a drug free point of view. You can eat all the so called perfect foods all you want, if you're overeating you'll still get fat and if you're not in a deficit you probably won't lose any.
I agree with that, but I still think that it's more complicated that just calories in vs calories out.
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I'll throw this out there also:
Dieting with 'clean' food, as opposed to the same number of calories per day of 'whatever goes/adonis principles' does more than just lose body fat, and help you acheive asthetical goals - you will GAIN discipline, you will GAIN mental and physical benefits from cutting out junk like HFCS and other refined shit!
You will GAIN a lesson on how to say no, which can run into other areas of your life.
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I'll throw this out there also:
Dieting with 'clean' food, as opposed to the same number of calories per day of 'whatever goes/adonis principles' does more than just lose body fat, and help you acheive asthetical goals - you will GAIN discipline, you will GAIN mental and physical benefits from cutting out junk like HFCS and other refined shit!
You will GAIN a lesson on how to say no, which can run into other areas of your life.
This makes no sense at all.
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This makes no sense at all.
Watch your whore mouth around Big Cyp.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/07/magazine/what-if-it-s-all-been-a-big-fat-lie.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
http://www.amazon.com/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462
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Will Brink Shits all over that guy
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l-Jq0q7e9Xk/UFJnz6p4wjE/AAAAAAAAADA/jNkh_uZ6pMc/s250-c-k/ProfilePhotos)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7xkyryu9w1qzmh66o1_400.jpg)
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Watch your whore mouth around Big Cyp.
:D
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Will Brink Shits all over that guy
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-l-Jq0q7e9Xk/UFJnz6p4wjE/AAAAAAAAADA/jNkh_uZ6pMc/s250-c-k/ProfilePhotos)
Clearly Will's methods stimulate ear growth.
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I just watched this entire video. His main point at the end is: "A calorie is not a calorie." He repeated it several times, and backed it up with science. I guess I have to give up my Kit Kat diet now. :-\
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sounds like galeniko wants to do things of sexual nature's with Dr. Lustig
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Adam is MIA.
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thats a very short summary,lol, but you dont really have to give up anything.
but i know for sure know how ill handle sugar and fructose, its not suprising they make ppl fat, when one knows where it can be stored and how much, its easy to figure out that one will absolutely spill over.
he said though, that some bit sugar is ok for "athletes".
The real killer for me is what he said about alcohol. :'( Guess I need to cut back. Or, I could cut out all sugars, and drink more. :D
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I remember Alan Aragon debating this dude shortly after this clip came out and basically dismantled his whole argument. For example, he pointed out that Lustig's contention that the Japanese diet doesn't contain fructose is false, and that it varies from region to region.
I'm sure I could dig it up if I tried, this was like 2 years ago.
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I remember Alan Aragon debating this dude shortly after this clip came out and basically dismantled his whole argument. For example, he pointed out that Lustig's contention that the Japanese diet doesn't contain fructose is false, and that it varies from region to region.
I'm sure I could dig it up if I tried, this was like 2 years ago.
Please do. This Lustig fella is very compelling. When I used to eat extremely clean (no added sugars), I was the healthiest, and felt the best I ever have. The sugars play a role in the hormonal process for sure.
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Adam is MIA.
Maybe Avesher got to him. ::)
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Maybe Avesher got to him. ::)
Or maybe he realizes all calories are not the same.
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Alan Aragon's response to the video:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
Summary of their debate:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/
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ill be glad to check the links youve provided, but the video is newer than 2 years.
look, some ppl point out very minimal flaws in what he cited, but the overall message is very clear.
theres nothing upto debate on how fructose and sugar are metabolised.
and i mean, everyones free to try for themselves, live on mostly sugar based diet and see.
no, alan really gets to the meat of the argument regarding sugar and obesity epidemic rather than getting hung up on minor details.
sounds like haider is some fatso who likes his kitkats
lighten up a little :D
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I used to be about this science bullshit a year back, and how it makes "dieting" easier and what not.
In reality it makes it harder. I think the only people who shuld be anal about dieting is the ones on steroids, i find eating 3 normal meals a day, with highish protein, high carbs and medium fat is pretty optimal and doesnt consume my life. Easier than sitting there and "calculating" how much food i have eaten just to be able to eat some sugary shit which gives me pimples. fuck that.
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I used to be about this science bullshit a year back, and how it makes "dieting" easier and what not.
In reality it makes it harder. I think the only people who shuld be anal about dieting is the ones on steroids, i find eating 3 normal meals a day, with highish protein, high carbs and medium fat is pretty optimal and doesnt consume my life. Easier than sitting there and "calculating" how much food i have eaten just to be able to eat some sugary shit which gives me pimples. fuck that.
There is no calculating at all, just don't eat anything with sugar in it and for the people who whine about not being able to give up junk food then go ahead and eat it. These are the one's who will become diabetic later in life and be on tons of meds with health problems.
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Adam is MIA.
No point in debating this useless issue. Aragon already did so and destroyed Lustig. I don`t really care to waste time on this anymore. If people want to be miserable limiting themselves, so be it. I won`t be in that crowd, thats for sure.
I will have my cake and I will eat it too.
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Please do. This Lustig fella is very compelling. When I used to eat extremely clean (no added sugars), I was the healthiest, and felt the best I ever have. The sugars play a role in the hormonal process for sure.
I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean". I was the absolute weakest on those cuts. Embarrassingly so. It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach. On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations. It was awful.
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I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean". I was the absolute weakest on those cuts. Embarrassingly so. It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach. On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations. It was awful.
Team Southern Gentlemen. 8)
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I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean". I was the absolute weakest on those cuts. Embarrassingly so. It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach. On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations. It was awful.
Why would you be weak eating clean? What was it about the foods that you were eating made you weak?
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Why would you be weak eating clean? What was it about the foods that you were eating made you weak?
Low Carbs.
It was set like this:
Day-1: 150 grams
Day-2: 100 grams
Day-3: 50 grams
Day-4: 125 grams
Day-5: 200 grams
and Protein was very high 1.5 to 2 grams per lb of bodyweight.
I lost strength like you wouldn`t believe and muscle as a result.
I`m talking 100 lbs or more on some lifts.
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Low Carbs.
It was set like this:
Day-1: 150 grams
Day-2: 100 grams
Day-3: 50 grams
Day-4: 125 grams
Day-5: 200 grams
and Protein was very high 1.5 to 2 grams per lb of bodyweight.
I lost strength like you wouldn`t believe and muscle as a result.
I`m talking 100 lbs or more on some lifts.
That's interesting. Personally I don't think anyone needs more than 1 gram per pound. As far as your carbs it depends on your fat intake which you don't mention. If fats were low low then I can see why you got weak.
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jovo, theres no need to calculate anything.
after a while everyone knows how much to eat.
if you want get lean you only eat when hungry.
dont eat any sugar, carbs are ok, theres many approaches.
yeah you beat me to it.
if one "cant give up" on it, fine, he can get lean too, will just be unproportianly harder or take longer.
the thing is ,in this "sport", if one isnt lean, the work wont show.
theres no easy way.
yes, I agree, I used to "count calories" a while back, until I realized its easier to just eat healthy clean food 3 times a day, you end up on maintenence calories and dont need to focus on eating like its something that actually matters in life... I hope you get what i mean.
Sugar is a problem for me as it gives me pimples, while eating normal food, i have a totally clean face.
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That's interesting. Personally I don't think anyone needs more than 1 gram per pound. As far as your carbs it depends on your fat intake which you don't mention. If fats were low low then I can see why you got weak.
This ^. Protein is overblown mostly merchants trying to make money off people and alot fall for it.
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I love food and cooking. I found a way that enables me to eat whatever I want and keep my strength and look my best without having to limit myself in any way. For me, this is optimal in all ways.
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and as for losing weight in calric deficit, well, lets see.have a generous carb up day,and then feed yourself nothing but beer and oreos,staying at maintainanc calorie intake for a week and see what hapens.
Well now I may actually try that cause I'm genuinely curious what WOULD happen? lol..... oh wait I don't drink alcohol though, so need to find a substitute for the beer!
This all doesn't change the fact that Layne Norton is correct. A Calorie IS TRULY a Calorie.... but you need to set up your diet in a way that makes it optimal to put on muscle!
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Alan Aragon's response to the video:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
Summary of their debate:
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/02/19/a-retrospective-of-the-fructose-alarmism-debate/
I posted these links on page 1 already. I guess no one bothered to read it
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Well now I may actually try that cause I'm genuinely curious what WOULD happen? lol..... oh wait I don't drink alcohol though, so need to find a substitute for the beer!
This all doesn't change the fact that Layne Norton is correct. A Calorie IS TRULY a Calorie.... but you need to set up your diet in a way that makes it optimal to put on muscle!
By definition a calorie is a calorie, but that's usually not what people really mean. A calorie from sugar doesn't affect the body the same as a calorie from fat or protein.
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ill be glad to check the links youve provided, but the video is newer than 2 years.
look, some ppl point out very minimal flaws in what he cited, but the overall message is very clear.
theres nothing upto debate on how fructose and sugar are metabolised.
and i mean, everyones free to try for themselves, live on mostly sugar based diet and see.
So in other words you didn't even bother reading the SAME links I posted on Page 1? Do you even know who Alan Aragon is? Oh I forgot your such an expert on human metabolism. Such great advice you give: only eat protein and use AAS. I think you should become a prep guru
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By definition a calorie is a calorie, but that's usually not what people really mean. A calorie from sugar doesn't affect the body the same as a calorie from fat or protein.
What I gathered from reading some of Layne Norton's research is...
In regard to losing weight:
Priority #1 for losing weight: Calorie control
Priority #2 for losing weight: Choosing a certain macro distribution that provides the optimal effects on your body such as thermogenic effects, insulin balance, fiber balance, Water levels, etc etc etc etc.
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What I gathered from reading some of Layne Norton's research is...
In regard to losing weight:
Priority #1 for losing weight: Calorie control
Priority #2 for losing weight: Choosing a certain macro distribution that provides the optimal effects on your body such as thermogenic effects, insulin balance, fiber balance, Water levels, etc etc etc etc.
The max thermogenic effect would be to lower carbs. If you are an athlete who burns off a lot of glycogen then eat a carb meals after training. That will take care of your insulin balance. Fiber is not needed and drink water when your are thirsty that's a no brainer.
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What I gathered from reading some of Layne Norton's research is...
In regard to losing weight:
Priority #1 for losing weight: Calorie control
Priority #2 for losing weight: Choosing a certain macro distribution that provides the optimal effects on your body such as thermogenic effects, insulin balance, fiber balance, Water levels, etc etc etc etc.
Regarding Priority #2 for me,
By cooking foods of all kinds and making all different kinds of meals and cuisines and eating out etc..., I get the Macros necessary by default without ever having to calculate them or even try for them.
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The max thermogenic effect would be to lower carbs. If you are an athlete who burns off a lot of glycogen then eat a carb meals after training. That will take care of your insulin balance. Fiber is not needed and drink water when your are thirsty that's a no brainer.
Alberto Nunez and Matt Ogus eat very high Carbs.
Here is Matt Ogus Contest Diet Log that he is keeping:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/flexforall
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2clepkVbY1ro9r1fo1_500.jpg)
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Alberto Nunez and Matt Ogus eat very high Carbs.
Here is Matt Ogus Contest Diet Log that he is keeping:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/flexforall
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2clepkVbY1ro9r1fo1_500.jpg)
Carbs are not an essential macro.
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Carbs aren't essential - true, but who wants to give them up if you don't need to?
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Carbs are not an essential macro.
But they are optimal.
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Here is a higher calorie day for Ogus, keep in mind this is Contest Dieting.
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/flexforall?date=2013-03-30
flexforall's Food Diary For: Prev Saturday March 30, 2013 Next
Meal 1 Calories Fat Carbs Protein Fiber
Fiber One Whole Grain Flakes,With Honey Clusters - Breakfast Cereal , 1 cup 160 2 44 3 13
General Mills - Fiber One 80 Calories Chocolate Squares, 3/4 cup 80 1 25 1 9
Alta Dena - Fat Free Milk 240ml (8 oz), 180 ml 68 0 10 7 0
Mts - Vanilla Whey, 2 scoop 300 7 10 50 2
Carlson Norwegian - Salmon Oil, 4 Soft Gels 36 4 0 0 0
Bananas - Raw, 120 g 107 0 27 1 3
Quick Tools 751 14 116 62 27
Meal 2
Chipotle - Chicken Burrito W/ Brown Rice, Black Beans, Fajitas, Tomato Salsa, Lettuce, Corn, 1 burrito 885 23 123 54 21
Quick Tools 885 23 123 54 21
Meal 3
Generic - Baked Salmon Fillet, 105 g 190 13 0 19 0
Sweet Potato - Sweet Potato - Raw, 290 grams 249 0 58 6 9
Bayview Farms - 12-Grain Bread, 1 slice 130 3 23 4 1
Generic - Grilled Tri Tip Steak, 4 oz. 284 20 0 39 0
Quick Tools 853 36 81 68 10
Meal 4
Quick Tools
Meal 5
Quick Tools
Meal 6
Usp Labs - Modern Bcaa White Blue Raspberry, 3 Scoops 53 0 0 13 0
Alta Dena - Fat Free Milk 240ml (8 oz), 240 ml 90 0 13 9 0
Grams - Fat, 10 gram 90 10 0 0 0
Grams - Protein, 5 gram 20 0 0 5 0
Grams - Carbs, 60 gram 240 0 60 0 0
Dryer's Slow Churned 1/2 the Fat - Cookies & Cream Ice Cream, 1 cup 240 5 40 6 0
Quick Tools 733 15 113 33 0
Totals 3,222 88 433 217 58
flexforall's Daily Goal 0 0 0 0 0
Remaining -3,222 -88 -433 -217 -58
Calories Fat Carbs Protein Fiber
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Carbs are not an essential macro.
? Could you explain that a bit further?
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But they are optimal.
Optimal?
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? Could you explain that a bit further?
You don't need carbs to stay alive.
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I have eaten "clean" before, year round for a few years and even dieted "clean". I was the absolute weakest on those cuts. Embarrassingly so. It was awful and I looked worse than any other approach. On MuscleMayhem I had a daily log and I was following Wes diet of carb cycling to the T with ZERO variations. It was awful.
And what makes you think you're the "rule"? If what you say is true then you're more likely the "exception".
Alberto Nunez and Matt Ogus eat very high Carbs.
Here is Matt Ogus Contest Diet Log that he is keeping:
http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/diary/flexforall
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2clepkVbY1ro9r1fo1_500.jpg)
Don't you ever doubt people's natural status? Especially when it comes to bodybuilding, so many bullshitters out there, some even lie just for the attention. Since you brag about your intelligence every 5th post, I find hard to believe you would be so naive. I'm not talking about that guy in particular but in general, you never doubt their natty status.
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Optimal?
Yep. Especially if you are quite busy physically with other things outside of the gym. Not only that, they are optimal if you want to make yourself a great meal and optimal if you are going to bake a cake.
They also help preserve your strength, and are protein/muscle sparing.
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Carbs aren't essential - true, but who wants to give them up if you don't need to?
Not saying you need to, but people eat too damn many especially in the form of sugar.
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You don't need carbs to stay alive.
You don`t need eyeglasses to stay alive either, but who wants to go around with sub-par vision if it can be avoided?
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You don`t need eyeglasses to stay alive either, but who wants to go around with sub-par vision if it can be avoided?
Bad analogy. Very bad.
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And what makes you think you're the "rule"? If what you say is true then you're more likely the "exception".
Don't you ever doubt people's natural status? Especially when it comes to bodybuilding, so many bullshitters out there, some even lie just for the attention. Since you brag about your intelligence every 5th post, I find hard to believe you would be so naive. I'm not talking about that guy in particular but in general, you never doubt their natty status.
I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.
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Bad analogy. Very bad.
I can`t take care of my land on low carbs and then lift weights. Its not doable. Plus I wouldn`t be able to make the food that I want to. Its not optimal for me at all.
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Yep. Especially if you are quite busy physically with other things outside of the gym. Not only that, they are optimal if you want to make yourself a great meal and optimal if you are going to bake a cake.
They also help preserve your strength, and are protein/muscle sparing.
Cake yes. Lol the old carbs spare muscle saying. So how many grams of carbs do you need to consume to spare one gram of protein?
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I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.
Hasn't he admited to using Juice back in the day ;D
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I`ve called out "Natural" Mr. Olympia, John Hansen many times.
Good, what about my other post? what makes you think your dieting approach is the best to everyone out there? I also know guys who stay lean eating plenty of carbs but I can count them with one hand, most people I know won't get ripped with the approach you suggest.
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I can`t take care of my land on low carbs and then lift weights. Its not doable. Plus I wouldn`t be able to make the food that I want to. Its not optimal for me at all.
Sure you could with the right amount of calories and fats. A friend of mine builds homes and he eats very low carbs and lifts too. He does replenish his glycogen stores after a workout. Keep in mind he's lean and doesn't compete.
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Good, what about my other post? what makes you think your dieting approach is the best to everyone out there? I also know guys who stay lean eating plenty of carbs but I can count them with one hand, most people I know won't get ripped with the approach you suggest.
Nonsense. I think my approach is best for those who love food and want to get lean and remain that way. You can get as ripped as you want. If you want to make Moravian Sugar Cake, you are going to have to make it with Sugar. There is no way around it. With my way, its possible.
If someone likes to diet a different way, then so be it. He may or may not have a way to eat Moravian Sugar Cake, but me personally, I love having that option.
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Sure you could with the right amount of calories and fats. A friend of mine builds homes and he eats very low carbs and lifts too. He does replenish his glycogen stores after a workout. Keep in mind he's lean and doesn't compete.
I wouldn`t be able to make the foods that I like though which is very important to me.
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My Macros are all over the map each day, but the calories are the same.
Yesterday I had over 10 ounces cooked (probably around 16 oz or a lb Raw) Grilled Chicken Breasts In a Chipotle-Lime Sauce on the Charcoal Grill for one meal and a bunch of other things including a good deal of Chocolate and American Potato Salad and other things.
I had a lot of Protein and it was good.
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My Macros are all over the map each day, but the calories are the same.
Yesterday I had over 10 ounces cooked (probably around 16 oz or a lb Raw) Grilled Chicken Breasts In a Chipotle-Lime Sauce on the Charcoal Grill for one meal and a bunch of other things including a good deal of Chocolate and American Potato Salad and other things.
I had a lot of Protein and it was good.
How many calories?
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How many calories?
2600 for the day.
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2600 for the day.
I'm aiming for 2500 now... But I find myself getting hungry.... not bent over starving to death or anything... but enough to make me start munching and then going off track! :-/
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I'm aiming for 2500 now... But I find myself getting hungry.... not bent over starving to death or anything... but enough to make me start munching and then going off track! :-/
Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick. Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.
I don`t have any meal times or anything like that. I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
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I wouldn`t be able to make the foods that I like though which is very important to me.
Can't argue with that and some of the dishes you make look awesome.
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Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick. Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.
I don`t have any meal times or anything like that. I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
Yeah I'm working on being a bit more disciplined.
This is what my regular diet is right now (As usual VERY unorthodox) plus add in 20 minutes of high intensity cardio almost everyday before I hit the weights:
4 Whole eggs
Glucosamine
Multivitamins
3 g D-Aspartic Acid
1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub
1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub
1 Fat free ice cream cone (weight watchers brand)
4 scoops CORE ABC
5 g creatine
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 bottle of gatorade performs
5 g creatine
1 Chicken breast
1/2 bag of broccolli
1 Fat free ice cream cone (Weight watchers brand)
This has me at about 200 g protein, 310 g carbs, 50 g fat (Approx. 2500 calories)
The problem is... like you say, I'm trying to adapt myself, but then I start getting hungry, and things start to go a little south.
But some good signs are:
I'm definitely looking less "bloated" / dropping water (and hopefully fat)
Pants are a bit looser
Feeling healthier
And still strong as hell in the gym
Haven't noticed any muscle loss since dropping the calories... actually my arms are even bigger than they normally are
I think its also probably a good sign that I'm not necessarily STARVING!!! But I wish I can get my cravings more in check!
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Can't argue with that and some of the dishes you make look awesome.
And everyone you work with ends up looking awesome, so I can`t argue with that either.
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Nonsense. I think my approach is best for those who love food and want to get lean and remain that way. You can get as ripped as you want. If you want to make Moravian Sugar Cake, you are going to have to make it with Sugar. There is no way around it. With my way, its possible.
First off, you didn't answer my question. I said why you think your diet is the best for everyone out there? If you eat like you say then you're not the rule you're the exception. Again, if it were that easy there would be lean guys in every corner. What makes you think your diet will work for everyone, regardless if they like to eat like that or not?
If someone likes to diet a different way, then so be it. He may or may not have a way to eat Moravian Sugar Cake, but me personally, I love having that option.
It's obviously not about what you like or not, it's about what works for you.
I don`t have any meal times or anything like that. I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
Oh, fasting. So despite you eat "whatever you want" you still have to feel hunger to remain lean, basically you don't eat anything for half the day.
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Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick. Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.
I don`t have any meal times or anything like that. I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
I usually do a 24 hour fast, so then you can also eat more calories on eating days.
Let's say you eat 1000 calories after a fast, then you can eat over 3000 calories on "eating" days, and still remain the same weight as your weekly average is still the same.
Weekly Calories:
2600 x 7 = 18200 kCal
Monday: 3240 Calories
Tuesday: 3240 Calories
Wednesday: 1000 Calories (FAST - Dinner)
Thursday: 3240 Calories
Friday: 3240 Calories
Saturday: 3240 Calories
Sunday: 1000 Calories (FAST - Dinner)
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Yeah I'm working on being a bit more disciplined.
This is what my regular diet is right now (As usual VERY unorthodox) plus add in 20 minutes of high intensity cardio almost everyday before I hit the weights:
4 Whole eggs
Glucosamine
Multivitamins
3 g D-Aspartic Acid
1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub
1 footlong Grilled Chicken sub
1 Fat free ice cream cone (weight watchers brand)
4 scoops CORE ABC
5 g creatine
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 scoop myofusion protein
1 bottle of gatorade performs
5 g creatine
1 Chicken breast
1/2 bag of broccolli
1 Fat free ice cream cone (Weight watchers brand)
This has me at about 200 g protein, 310 g carbs, 50 g fat (Approx. 2500 calories)
The problem is... like you say, I'm trying to adapt myself, but then I start getting hungry, and things start to go a little south.
But some good signs are:
I'm definitely looking less "bloated" / dropping water (and hopefully fat)
Pants are a bit looser
Feeling healthier
And still strong as hell in the gym
Haven't noticed any muscle loss since dropping the calories... actually my arms are even bigger than they normally are
I think its also probably a good sign that I'm not necessarily STARVING!!! But I wish I can get my cravings more in check!
I was busy today so I had a Fast Food Day today and did not feel like cooking as I wanted to give my Pizza Dough one more day in cold Ferment. Tomorrow we are going to make Pizza with Olives, Feta, Asiago Fried in Olive Oil at 550 degrees. :-X
My Fast Food day today was:
Whopper with Cheese-No Mayo (they slather it and I like to add my own) Large Fries, 10 Piece Chicken Nuggets.
1530 calories in that meal.
Meal Nutrition
Calories
1530
Protein
55g
Carbohydrates
164g
Sugar
13g
Fat
75g
Saturated Fat
15.5g
Trans Fat
0g
Cholesterol
105mg
Sodium
2440mg
Allergens: Wheat, Soy
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I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
I've been doing something similar for the last week... I find it's really easy to starve myself until the afternoon, then eat normally.
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Galeniko, what's wrong with McDonalds ???
And Chiro, you keep talking about what's "optimal" but how do you measure this? Have you personally tried both methods and taken some measure? Research? ???
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First off, you didn't answer my question. I said why you think your diet is the best for everyone out there? If you eat like you say then you're not the rule you're the exception. Again, if it were that easy there would be lean guys in every corner. What makes you think your diet will work for everyone, regardless if they like to eat like that or not?
It's obviously not about what you like or not, it's about what works for you.
Oh, fasting. So despite you eat "whatever you want" you still have to feel hunger to remain lean, basically you don't eat anything for half the day.
1. There are lean people in every corner who eat like I do. Tons who don`t even lift weights actually. I said if you like food and like to cook, obviously doing what I do is the best approach. You can`t make Moravian Sugar Cake on other diets, now can you?
2. Its all about what I like to eat. I LOVE food. Love it.
3. I don`t fast. I have an eating start time so I consume 2600 calories in a 24 hour period. Its not fasting. If you don`t have a start time and it varies everyday, you are going to be eating a whole lot more than what you think you are in a 24 hour period. 24 hour period is arbitrary as you can extend that time and calculate it weekly as some do, but for me, its not necessary and is better to do daily. Do you not understand this?
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I've been doing something similar for the last week... I find it's really easy to starve myself until the afternoon, then eat normally.
I don`t do it to starve myself, its just around the time I normally wake up. :-X
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I was busy today so I had a Fast Food Day today and did not feel like cooking as I wanted to give my Pizza Dough one more day in cold Ferment. Tomorrow we are going to make Pizza with Olives, Feta, Asiago Fried in Olive Oil at 550 degrees. :-X
My Fast Food day today was:
Whopper with Cheese-No Mayo (they slather it and I like to add my own) Large Fries, 10 Piece Chicken Nuggets.
1530 calories in that meal.
Meal Nutrition
Calories
1530
Protein
55g
Carbohydrates
164g
Sugar
13g
Fat
75g
Saturated Fat
15.5g
Trans Fat
0g
Cholesterol
105mg
Sodium
2440mg
Allergens: Wheat, Soy
So as you see, I still had about 1000 calories still left to eat for the day.
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Yah, that happens if you are accustomed to eating high calories, but you will adapt quick. Quicker if you relax and fill those calories with whatever you like, whenever you like.
I don`t have any meal times or anything like that. I just have a start time each day, which for me is 12:00 PM. This means I have from 12:00PM and on to get my 2600 calories in. This way you never overeat.
I think its very sensible to move your eating time to a later time, as I've found if I fast for 24H, I find it very hard to control my hunger when I break the fast and I sometimes binge, which then means I fasted for nothing.
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I think its very sensible to move your eating time to a later time, as I've found if I fast for 24H, I find it very hard to control my hunger when I break the fast and I sometimes binge, which then means I fasted for nothing.
Its not really later for me since that is about the time I wake up. I have in the past, mixed IF with what I do, but there really was no advantage at all. I am not discounting the cumulative effect fasting may have in other areas (such regulating jet lag, sleep patterns, controlling grehlin), but its irrelevant in my opinion for the short term and not essential in any way and really does not provide any visual benefit.
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1. There are lean people in every corner who eat like I do. Tons who don`t even lift weights actually. I said if you like food and like to cook, obviously doing what I do is the best approach. You can`t make Moravian Sugar Cake on other diets, now can you?
2. Its all about what I like to eat. I LOVE food. Love it.
3. I don`t fast. I have an eating start time so I consume 2600 calories in a 24 hour period. Its not fasting. If you don`t have a start time and it varies everyday, you are going to be eating a whole lot more than what you think you are in a 24 hour period. 24 hour period is arbitrary as you can extend that time and calculate it weekly as some do, but for me, its not necessary and is better to do daily. Do you not understand this?
1. Haha yeah of course there are lean teenagers that don't even lift weight, they also don't count calories and don't have any muscle, but most of them get fat when they become 22-23 years old.
2. Sure you do, and it works for you. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
3. Fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from all food, drink, or both, for a period of time
What, you wake up every day at 11:30 am? You wait to start eating period. And you have to feel hunger, right? If you're eating less calories that what you burn then you're going to be hungry, especially at single digits, especially if you're lean year round. You eat whatever you want but you still feel hunger. What's to brag about it?
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You don't need carbs to stay alive.
You are right about this, of course.....But, as far as contest prep dieting, every good bodybuilder i know over 200 pounds diets on low fat and some amount of carbs. I have dieted on low carbs and on low fat and on low fat I always end up looking better. I didn't use slin, either....so it cant be that.
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1. Haha yeah of course there are lean teenagers that don't even lift weight, they also don't count calories and don't have any muscle, but most of them get fat when they become 22-23 years old.
2. Sure you do, and it works for you. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
3. Fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from all food, drink, or both, for a period of time
What, you wake up every day at 11:30 pm? You wait to start eating period. And you have to feel hunger, right? If you're eating less calories that what you burn then you're going to be hungry, especially at single digits, especially if you're lean year round. You eat whatever you want but you still feel hunger. What's to brag about it?
1. ??? Pure Conjecture.
2. I don`t see how it would "not work for everyone" , especially someone who likes to eat varied foods of all kinds.
3. ::) By your definition everybody fasts even minute to minute, second to second, even if you want to take it literally as you have.
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1. Haha yeah of course there are lean teenagers that don't even lift weight, they also don't count calories and don't have any muscle, but most of them get fat when they become 22-23 years old.
2. Sure you do, and it works for you. Doesn't mean it will work for everyone.
3. Fasting is primarily the act of willingly abstaining from all food, drink, or both, for a period of time
What, you wake up every day at 11:30 am? You wait to start eating period. And you have to feel hunger, right? If you're eating less calories that what you burn then you're going to be hungry, especially at single digits, especially if you're lean year round. You eat whatever you want but you still feel hunger. What's to brag about it?
Sometimes I wake up later even, Past 12PM. Oh Noes!!!
I don`t really feel hungry unless I am doing some heavy duty planting and clearing, digging and raking outside. You know, stuff that you are incapable of doing because someone like you will go catabolic.
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1. ??? Pure Conjecture.
2. I don`t see how it would not work for anyone, especially someone who likes to eat varied foods of all kinds.
3. ::) By your definition everybody fasts even minute to minute, second to second, even if you want to take it literally as you have.
1. Just like your claims that everyone would get ripped on your diet. Pure Conjecture. At least what I said is what you usually see in real life, not claims from 5-10 guys on the internet that I've never seen happen in real life.
2. Then you would hear a lot of people supporting this diet, not just some guys that try to appear as groundbreakers or something.
3. Oh ok, you don't fast. But you still have to feel hunger on your diet, despite you "eat whatever you want".
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Sometimes I wake up later even, Past 12PM. Oh Noes!!!
I don`t really feel hungry unless I am doing some heavy duty planting and clearing, digging and raking outside. You know, stuff that you are incapable of doing because someone like you will go catabolic.
I don't recall ever said that, resorting to putting words in my mouth I see.
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1. Just like your claims that everyone would get ripped on your diet. Pure Conjecture. At least what I said is what you usually see in real life, not claims from 5-10 guys on the internet that I've never seen happen in real life.
2. Then you would hear a lot of people supporting this diet, not just some guys that try to appear as groundbreakers or something.
3. Oh ok, you don't fast. But you still have to feel hunger on your diet, despite you "eat whatever you want".
1. You just don`t know what to look for. :D What makes you think everyone who is ripped or in shape is watching their carb intake, minding their "anabolic window" and making sure they are eating their 1.5 grams of protein everyday every 3 hours or whatever it is you believe a person who is in shape must do?
2. A lot of people do support it and there are variations of it so to speak. I really don`t care what anyone does to be honest with you.
3. I don`t feel hunger honestly. But even if I do or did, its not a bad thing. Its unavoidable 100 percent of the time no matter what you eat or don`t eat. If you control your grehlin, (something fasting can help people with-but its not necessary) it can be limited or reduced. The hungriest people I have EVER seen are those Fatsos on those shows that weigh 700 plus pounds. They will complain how hungry they are yet they are eating 15,000 plus calories daily. They are not lying when they say they are hungry either. Hope this helps.
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1. You just don`t know what to look for. :D What makes you think everyone who is ripped or in shape is watching their carb intake, minding their "anabolic window" and making sure they are eating their 1.5 grams of protein everyday every 3 hours or whatever it is you believe a person who is in shape must do?
2. A lot of people do support it and there are variations of it so to speak. I really don`t care what anyone does to be honest with you.
3. I don`t feel hunger honestly. But even if I do or did, its not a bad thing. Its unavoidable 100 percent of the time no matter what you eat or don`t eat. If you control your grehlin, (something fasting can help people with-but its not necessary) it can be limited or reduced. The hungriest people I have EVER seen are those Fatsos on those shows that weigh 700 plus pounds. They will complain how hungry they are yet they are eating 15,000 plus calories daily. They are not lying when they say they are hungry either. Hope this helps.
1. Carb intake and overall calories, yes. Anabolic window and the 1.5 g of protein are bullshit IMO, eating every 3 hours is BS too.
2. Oh, ok.
3. Haha ok your diet is perfect then, you eat whatever you want and you're almost never hungry.
Anyway ,it's 2 am over here, I gotta sleep at least 8 hours!!!!!! ;) haha see you, it's been a pleasure (no homo).
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1. Carb intake and overall calories, yes. Anabolic window and the 1.5 g of protein are bullshit IMO, eating every 3 hours is BS too.
2. Oh, ok.
3. Haha ok your diet is perfect then, you eat whatever you want and you're almost never hungry.
Anyway ,it's 2 am over here, I gotta sleep at least 8 hours!!!!!! ;) haha see you, it's been a pleasure (no homo).
Same to you my friend and I was kidding about going catabolic while raking leaves. The way I see it, eat whatever you want or don`t want and however you want and don`t be scared to try new approaches. Or don`t if you do not want to. Its up to you to decide. As long as you are happy with yourself and what you are doing, nothing else really matters.
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adonis , do you have a job or study ?
I honesty dont see how any one can be assed focusing sooo much on their diet and food if you got other things going on in life..
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This makes no sense at all.
Try reading it without looking through pubic hair.
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You are right about this, of course.....But, as far as contest prep dieting, every good bodybuilder i know over 200 pounds diets on low fat and some amount of carbs. I have dieted on low carbs and on low fat and on low fat I always end up looking better. I didn't use slin, either....so it cant be that.
Keep in mind when contest dieting I do "use" carbs. Usually once a week I exploit their usefulness for the result I am trying to achieve.
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adonis , do you have a job or study ?
I honesty dont see how any one can be assed focusing sooo much on their diet and food if you got other things going on in life..
Its hard but you can do it. You just need to really prioritize things in your life and better organize it.
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The max thermogenic effect would be to lower carbs. If you are an athlete who burns off a lot of glycogen then eat a carb meals after training. That will take care of your insulin balance. Fiber is not needed and drink water when your are thirsty that's a no brainer.
what about eating carbs 90-120 min before the weight training session? basically with the idea of loading the muscle up with glycogen
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what about eating carbs 90-120 min before the weight training session? basically with the idea of loading the muscle up with glycogen
If one is not dieting for a show and is already lean or where they want to be then would be better to eat some carbs right after a workout.
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If one is not dieting for a show and is already lean or where they want to be then would be better to eat some carbs right after a workout.
but what if one is in the process of getting ripped and therefore they only have so many cals and carbs per day that they can eat, wouldn't it be wisest to put the majority of those available carbs before the workout?
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but what if one is in the process of getting ripped and therefore they only have so many cals and carbs per day that they can eat, wouldn't it be wisest to put the majority of those available carbs before the workout?
I have always had my guys go low to zero carb all week till Sat. Things do get a little rough by thur or so but hey too fucking bad. ;D IF you are dieting for a show then your goal is to burn fat and you will use fat for energy all day long not just to workout. No one has EVER lost size while I was dieting them. Now, if you are going to use high carb then your question doesn't really apply since you are eating small amounts of carbs all day long most likely.
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I have always had my guys go low to zero carb all week till Sat. Things do get a little rough by thur or so but hey too fucking bad. ;D IF you are dieting for a show then your goal is to burn fat and you will use fat for energy all day long not just to workout. No one has EVER lost size while I was dieting them. Now, if you are going to use high carb then your question doesn't really apply since you are eating small amounts of carbs all day long most likely.
thanks for the reply
and i'm curious what your thoughts are on drinking a few cups of very strong black coffee pre-workout for energy and for fat-burning effects?
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nunez lies about natural status, so his credibility on everything flies out of the window
::)
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thanks for the reply
and i'm curious what your thoughts are on drinking a few cups of very strong black coffee pre-workout for energy and for fat-burning effects?
Nothing wrong with that at all but will not do much for fat loss.
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Hey disgusted...
Is there anything you allow your athletes to eat as much as they want?
Like celery, lettuce, broccoli or anything like that.
I know this stuff has calories but 100 calories from celery vs 100 calories from soda will not be the same for many reasons. People mention negative calories and I'm pretty sure that's b.s too though.
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So Dr. Dramatic in his Video pretty much says that eating fruit is toxic.
The guy is a fucking clown. He talks like the 45mg of sodium in a can of soda will kill you. Fucking drama queen.
You get more sodium eating chicken breasts pumped with salt water.
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Fruit is perhaps the best food group, I LOVE fruit of all kinds.
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btw, what's the good doctor's bench and PR in the mile?
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Fruit is perhaps the best food group, I LOVE fruit of all kinds.
QFT
1. Olives
2. Berries (blueberries & strawberry's are BOSS)
3. Pinapple
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QFT
1. Olives
2. Berries (blueberries & strawberry's are BOSS)
3. Pinapple
The list goes on. Mangos, Passionfruit, grapes, all delicious.
But Dr. Lustig tells you that FRUCTOSE IS FUCKING POISON MUTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!
All fruit will fucking kill you. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH
the guy is a loon.
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The list goes on. Mangos, Passionfruit, grapes, all delicious.
But Dr. Lustig tells you that FRUCTOSE IS FUCKING POISON MUTHERFUCKER!!!!!!!!!!
All fruit will fucking kill you. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHH
the guy is a loon.
He said that fruits were acceptable as a whole food because of how the fiber content effect digestion. And the concentration of fructose in unproceesed fruit is low in comparison to processed fruit drinks.. His beef is with processed refined foods like juice and pop. He also dislikes how food companies are adding unnecessary sugar to everything.
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He said that fruits were acceptable as a whole food because of how the fiber content effect digestion. And the concentration of fructose in unproceesed fruit is low in comparison to processed fruit drinks.. His beef is with processed refined foods like juice and pop. He also dislikes how food companies are adding unnecessary sugar to everything.
I am just sick though of people with average to average+ fat physiques telling what will make me fat. We all know that bodybuilders are druggies but they also put the proof in the putting.
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I am just sick though of people with average to average+ fat physiques telling what will make me fat. We all know that bodybuilders are druggies but they also put the proof in the putting.
Funny thing, I had that same reaction when I saw him.
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GUYS!....just listen to Layne Norton...Dude knows his shit!
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Hey disgusted...
Is there anything you allow your athletes to eat as much as they want?
Like celery, lettuce, broccoli or anything like that.
I know this stuff has calories but 100 calories from celery vs 100 calories from soda will not be the same for many reasons. People mention negative calories and I'm pretty sure that's b.s too though.
I usually let my guys eat a good amount of greens especially when I start to low that fat content. YOu don't have to measure just don't go crazy.
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He said that fruits were acceptable as a whole food because of how the fiber content effect digestion. And the concentration of fructose in unproceesed fruit is low in comparison to processed fruit drinks.. His beef is with processed refined foods like juice and pop. He also dislikes how food companies are adding unnecessary sugar to everything.
Exactly, nothing wrong with fruit, but I never could see drinking 10 apples at a time.
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I usually let my guys eat a good amount of greens especially when I start to low that fat content. YOu don't have to measure just don't go crazy.
Cool thanks.
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nah, he says some fruit is ok, and hes not anti carbs in general either.
he said why there is sodium in the cans, and sodium-one has to agree-is a great old trick to increase apetite, every restaurant knows this full well.
Sodium is there to bring out the flavor in the caramel and spices in Coke. Do you know what cola is? It is a mixture of spices, vanilla, nutmeg cinnamon and caramel. Salt enhances the flavors.
It's not a consipiracy.
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yeah, but this guy is a scientist and a professor, and talking about the general population.not bbuilders,lol.
hes not some random lifestyle trainer who appeared on oprah show, or in a lifestyle magazine.
he made couiple very layman term explanations which are true and explain alot.
how anyone couldnt see the problem with sugary drinks beeing one of the main reasons for the genral overweight issues is beyond me.so many ppl have their coke,or the smartasses who think they make smart and healthy choice,a fruit juice with every meal, or randomly between meals, this adds up.slowly but surely.
he even went as far and said hfcs is ok for athletes at certain times.
honestly,i dont see anything wrong with what he said.
i wouldnt just post a video of something random i came across, let alone start a thread.i think its really worth it,truthful and the best i came across.
atleast for me,it answered many question ive always wondered about.
even the guy who tried to "debunk" his claims and calls him an "alarmist" ::) agrees on the most important points.
he didnt dare to refute the claim about how hfcs and sugar are metabolised,i guess that is, bc dr lustig is spot on on that matter.
if one understands that one point itself, he will knoiw how bad sugar is and when(sugar wont do shit to a trainer with depleted glucose stores for example)and it kills the "calorie is calorie"misleading bullshit claim.
thats precisely what the prof said too.its there to spice up the flavor and cover the sugar somewhat.
Sugar is the main ingredient in Caramel. Ever eat a caramel that is not sweet? He is just digging up shit trying to sound like some skeptic.
Also I get it that he is a prof. But if he believed in the devil so much then he should at least be ripped by avoiding these toxins.
Overall the reason that people who indulge these high amounts of sugars are also indulging in everything else hence the reason they are fat.
Jay Cutler has admitted to having a Coke after workouts for the sugar. he certainly isn't some fat pig.
Ever see these fat pigs at McDonalds order 2000 calorie meals with a Diet Coke? Shouldn't they be lean since they are not ingesting the Fructose in Coke?
I would like to see a diet done like this.
1000 calories of protein + 1000 calories of fat per day vs. 1000 calories or protein + 1000 calories of sugar and see at then if the person put on weight or lost weight.
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Exactly, nothing wrong with fruit, but I never could see drinking 10 apples at a time.
wtf is with this "it's like a million fruits at once" retardation when it comes to fruit juice?
an apple has like 100 calories
8oz of apple juice, 120 calories
"10 apples at a time" ::)
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problem with this comparo is, the apple has fibers, will be metabolsed differently than the juice.
that's not a problem with the comparison, it's plain as day not "like 10 apples"... fruit juice isn't super concentrated sugar like disgusted seems to think. 8oz (which i think is a fair amount to compare) of fruit juice has slightly more sugar than 1 apple, no two ways about it... it's not, in any way, "like 10 apples"
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yeah ok, 8oz i like small glass, thatll be 20 or so gramms of sugar.
now, most ppl thatll be one sip, they have bigger portions very often.
and if they have 2 such glasses a day, thatll be already over the daily recommendation by the govt.not counting whatever else will add to this on that day.
i swear if one eat the same thoughout the year, and has 3 such glasses daily, lets asume thats typical, he can bet the fat he gains slowly will have to do alot with that glass off juice, more than with the food.
i dont know, i avoid every drink with calories in it, its not like it hard, and ppl 100 years ago did fine without those juices too.
i rather eat my calories.
the way juice is metabloized, incasse your glucogen stores are full, its going straight away into the fat deposits.very simple.i dont want any of this.
the only time i use juice is to mix it with egg whites, which i use because it's more convenient than cooking and storing shitloads of meat. milk also works good to mix with egg whites, but i haven't thought of using any 0 calorie drinks with the egg whites... might not be bad.
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Lots of long paragraphs on this last page. Everyone is outed.
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the only time i use juice is to mix it with egg whites, which i use because it's more convenient than cooking and storing shitloads of meat. milk also works good to mix with egg whites, but i haven't thought of using any 0 calorie drinks with the egg whites... might not be bad.
Why would you bother with egg whites? ??? Why not just eat whole eggs? ???
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Why would you bother with egg whites? ??? Why not just eat whole eggs? ???
less calories
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yeah, when it comes to eggs, i eat the whole thing, not even bc of something to do with diet, but because of the cost ;D
Just take the yolk out.
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Just take the yolk out.
I think he's saying you'd have to use more eggs to get the same amount of protein, only eating egg whites and throwing out the yolk!
I eat 4 whole eggs every morning!
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Yes I don't get why people throw out the yolk. If you want fewer calories just eat fewer eggs. There's nothing inherently bad about egg yolks.
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I eat whole eggs when I'm not dieting.
I go really low on cals when I do diet so why eat 75 calories just to get 6 grams of protein.That makes no sense when I can get 4 grams of protein for like 16 calories.
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I eat whole eggs when I'm not dieting.
I go really low on cals when I do diet so why eat 75 calories just to get 6 grams of protein.That makes no sense when I can get 4 grams of protein for like 16 calories.
How many calories do you eat when dieting?
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How many calories do you eat when dieting?
Something around 1600.
I have no problem with fats or protein and can gain well on them. Carbs my body never liked even as a kid.
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Something around 1600.
I have no problem with fats or protein and can gain well on them. Carbs my body never liked even as a kid.
so you're @ 1600 nowadays ;D
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so you're @ 1600 nowadays ;D
Yeah averaging out about that...6 days left dj :D
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Something around 1600.
I have no problem with fats or protein and can gain well on them. Carbs my body never liked even as a kid.
Cool thanks.
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but, i have noticed one thing, if i lower the protein to very low, absolute minimum, then the carbs wont have such a bad effect.but the size will go to shit and will get bit fat over time.
The thing with me is that carbs tend to make me hungrier which can become hard to control on a diet. When gaining I do much better with low carbs too...my body simply doesn't need many.
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ah, ofc on diet the bloodsugar will be hard to control with many carbs, what i mean if you feel like not dieting for a week or so, just drop the protein all the way down.
for me it worked, you oughta try.
what has dj181 7 days for left?is that when his menstruation comes back? ???
oh ok, just to maintain and fill up a bit ...that sounds good.
dj is well into menopause now man...just a little thing we got going to see who can lean out the most.
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dj is well into menopause now man...
lol
is he also into menopause ;)
SLURP :P
(http://silverfoxes.provocateuse.com/images/photos/paul_newman_01.jpg)
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I wonder what he's looking at?
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I wonder what he's looking at?
probably at you stud
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yes, most the protein is in the yellow, and with the little carbs i eat, its not going to make me fat.
even the cholesterol thing isnt really really true.well,it depends a bit with what the egg is eaten.
Dietary cholesterol has practically no effect on blood cholesterol. Same thing with sodium and blood pressure, it's not really a problem unless you have existing cardiovascular issues.