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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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No need to discuss believer Wigg ;D ;D ;D
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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5 minutes before TA posts on this.
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5 minutes before TA posts on this.
I've noticed him posting about this. He really thinks that because you believe in God you are automatically a dumb, stupid person. What a bunch of crap, just like being christian/catholic doesn't mean you are a better person. See uberman in example, dude is religious and he's very intelligent yet I don't think most guys on here like him. :D
Again, I know some atheists personally and they all think they are smarter than religious people, delusional dumbfucks, I'm religious and I wipe the floor with them :D.
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I think God made them a lot more smarter than us as a little treat to make up for them burning in Hell for eternity.
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Most atheists are liberal....that there is an answer in itself
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With the death of God man was forced to deify the intellect which killed Him.
And nobody thinks of himself as below average. Where's the fun in that? Peon.
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I'm an atheist and noticed some atheists are dumb and very rude. But many are real cool. I think they think they are smarter because they refuse to believe any of these world religions that are obviously bs. Yes lots of good wisdom in these religions but the supernatural stories are bogus, if there is a god he hasn't made himself known to any person...ever.
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With the death of God man was forced to deify the intellect which killed Him.
And nobody thinks of himself as below average. Where's the fun in that? Peon.
Everyone thinks they're a little smarter than the next fella.
I used to think so in my youth too.
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1) we do not believe that the universe is only 6000 years old.
2)We do not believe that humans roamed and walked with dinosaurs.
3) We do not believe that praying for your sons diabetes to go away is better than giving him an insulin shot.
4) We do not believe the rapture is going to happen.
5) we do not believe that Jesus Christ has showed himself in a cheeto.
And there are thousands, if not millions, of other strange ideas that religious people think and believe.
How can anyone suspend their logic to such an extent, to believe the above fairy tales? Its laughable, at best.
Yes, someone actually believed that this was a sign of JC in the form of a cheeto
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Yes, ride that dinosaur, you human.
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They are told that if you believe in this, that or the other you are "enlightened".
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Most prominent atheists are academics or at the least college educated, many of whom have a background in the sciences.
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Most prominent atheists are academics or at the least college educated, many of whom have a background in the sciences.
That strikes TA out
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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Because most believers don't even know the bible and atheists do and you're going to argue that it's the bedrock on which morality is based on and don't know how fucked up the ' old testament ' is and clings to the irrational despite facts to the contrary
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There are plenty of evidence that God exist ,if you don't believe in God you're a fucking idiot, I hope this helps
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There are plenty of evidence that God exist ,if you don't believe in God you're a fucking idiot, I hope this helps
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I've noticed him posting about this. He really thinks that because you believe in God you are automatically a dumb, stupid person. What a bunch of crap, just like being christian/catholic doesn't mean you are a better person. See uberman in example, dude is religious and he's very intelligent yet I don't think most guys on here like him. :D
Again, I know some atheists personally and they all think they are smarter than religious people, delusional dumbfucks, I'm religious and I wipe the floor with them :D.
I know many intelligent religious people but tbh it's mostly cultural.
A lot of latin/italian guys here may be catholic/christian because that's how we've been brought up. Had you been born elsewhere perhaps you'd have different beliefs...
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I have not noticed atheists to be better at anything just by virtue of being atheists. I find religious affliction a poor way of judging people.
Many atheists turns out to be scum of the earth, not intelligent at all, immature with deplorable morals and ethics, calling them selves atheists just to pat them selves on the back and in their mind one up everyone else.
While the Christian people I have met have been the direct opposite of this.
Fundamental extremist atheists of peace ruins it for the good atheists that also exists, just as it happens in every religion (to various degrees).
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There are plenty of evidence that God exist ,if you don't believe in God you're a fucking idiot, I hope this helps
Which God? ;) plenty of ' evidence ' for all of them yet no one agrees on who or what God is , Are the Jews right? The Christians? How about the Muslims? they all are 100% sure without any doubt what so ever their brand is correct and yours is false , they all can't be correct. However they can all be flat out wrong 8)
No evidence for God which is why he is a belief :D
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I have not noticed atheists to be better at anything just by virtue of being atheists. I find religious affliction a poor way of judging people.
Many atheists turns out to be scum of the earth, not intelligent at all, immature with deplorable morals and ethics, calling them selves atheists just to pat them selves on the back and in their mind one up everyone else.
While the Christian people I have met have been the direct opposite of this.
Fundamental extremist atheists of peace ruins it for the good atheists that also exists, just as it happens in every religion (to various degrees).
"Affliction"? Do you mean "affiliation"? (lol. I guess "affliction" works if you are an atheist.)
I agree with the guy above who thinks that religious beliefs are mostly cultural. And for such people (who've been raised with a particular religious belief) it is a mistake to judge their mental competence based on the fact that they believe in "magic".
OTH...Because my wife is Thai I know of a lot of Thai women who are married to western guys (here in the USA) who are recent converts to the Christian faith and almost without exception these women are the very dumbest of the Thai women we know who've immigrated here. The ones who remain Buddhist or are somewhat agnostic are much, much smarter than the recent Christian converts.
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There are plenty of evidence that God exist ,if you don't believe in God you're a fucking idiot, I hope this helps
which god are you talking about?
Quatzequatel ?
Poseidon ?
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Atheism is a religion in itself.
It's better to read scripture, learn from nature, delve into mathematics and keep an open mind and ear in general. The truth, if you can ever find it, tends to be equally calibrated against many fields of differing origin.
Being of an academic background is often used as a means of leverage against "unqualified" or unwanted facts or curious doubt of established systems.
Scientists who research unpleasant or nonprofitable matters tend to get swept under the carpet.
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Atheism is a religion in itself.
It's better to read scripture, learn from nature, delve into mathematics and keep an open mind and ear in general. The truth, if you can ever find it, tends to be equally calibrated against many fields of differing origin.
Being of an academic background is often used as a means of leverage against "unqualified" or unwanted facts or curious doubt of established systems.
Scientists who research unpleasant or nonprofitable matters tend to get swept under the carpet.
Religious people are the most close minded.
Religious person - "I know my god exists and nothing you say or will do will make me change my mind"
How is this remaining open minded? ??? ::)
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Atheism is a religion in itself.
No... You need to look up the word religion in a dictionary. Religion is belief is something superstitious.
Atheists doesn't believe in anything superstitious. Therefore they are not religious. That's all there is to it.
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Because they are. ;D
"Religious people are likely to be less intelligent than their atheist counterparts, a study claims. The analysis, which looked at almost a century of data, found a negative correlation between high IQs and religiosity.
Professors Miron Zuckerman and Jordan Silberman, from the University of Rochester, looked at 63 studies in the field carried out between 1938 and 2012. In their paper, entitled “The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations,” Zuckerman and Silberman drew the conclusion that the majority of studies found that more intelligent people were less likely to subscribe to organized religion." - The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations Pers Soc Psychol Rev 1088868313497266, first published on August 6, 2013
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atheists base their belief on facts
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Religious people are the most close minded.
Religious person - "I know my god exists and nothing you say or will do will make me change my mind"
How is this remaining open minded? ??? ::)
Reading scripture is one of the many inputs you can get.
You associate being 'religious' with being a drone(aka atheists, bible/other book fetishists, ...) having a made up mind.
Being religious for me is being curious what life is - be on the examining/evaluation route till your last breath.
@Tito - I base my beliefs on your ... ;D
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A better question would be why are so many religious people so fucking stupid
maybe the atheist just appear to think they are smarter because we have so many example of religious morons to compare and contrast with them.
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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Why is it you think they are stupid? Do you think you are smarter then other folks? ....Perhaps atheists?
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395972/Atheists-higher-IQs-Their-intelligence-makes-likely-dismiss-religion-irrational-unscientific.html
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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Because we are.
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A better question would be why are so many religious people so fucking stupid
maybe the atheist just appear to think they are smarter because we have so many example of religious morons to compare and contrast with them.
It kind of goes with the territory doesn't it.
To blindly believe in something superstitious and made up fairy tales you have to be flawed in your critical thinking and logic i.e. stupid.
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Do people go around announcing that they are atheists? I was not aware of this. I haven't had any atheists come knocking at my door trying to convince me to become one. I have had Jehovah's witnesses at the door attempting to explain the bible from their perspective and wanting to leave their church literature with me.
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All 'ists' think they are smarter than everyone else, feminists, etc
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Reading scripture is one of the many inputs you can get.
You associate being 'religious' with being a drone(aka atheists, bible/other book fetishists, ...) having a made up mind.
Being religious for me is being curious what life is - be on the examining/evaluation route till your last breath.
@Tito - I base my beliefs on your ... ;D
Yes, but a majority of deeply religious people dont think like that.
They throw a tantrum if you dont believe in their god and they think they are 100% right.
That is not being open minded.
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This one I like
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All 'ists' think they are smarter than everyone else, feminists, etc
Socialists
Feminists
Arsonists
Ventriloquists
Communists
Scientists
Nihilists
...quite a long list - maybe there's some intrinsic wisdom echoing from the Georgia guide stones.
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Yes, but a majority of deeply religious people dont think like that.
They throw a tantrum if you dont believe in their god and they think they are 100% right.
That is not being open minded.
True, most wars are fought over religion.
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True, most wars are fought over religion.
Exactly. At the mere mention of another god, people and nations have been destroyed.
Yes, this is open minded. ::) ::) Religious people tend to be the most intolerant of others.
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those who say they donbt know, whats the term agonist or whatever, are certainly smarter than atheists, who rule out everything.
religion might be bs, but a creating force exists with no doubt whatsoever.
obviously.
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You are a moron.
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those who say they donbt know, whats the term agonist or whatever, are certainly smarter than atheists, who rule out everything.
religion might be bs, but a creating force exists with no doubt whatsoever.
obviously.
Good man Gal. You're off to a good start. There's hope bro. Stay strong.
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You are a moron.
You're the seed of satan.
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those who say they donbt know, whats the term agonist or whatever, are certainly smarter than atheists, who rule out everything.
religion might be bs, but a creating force exists with no doubt whatsoever.
obviously.
Show me the evidence.
No, atheists dont rule out everything.
Most atheists just need evidence presented to them. Atheists rule out things like the bible because that is not evidence.
Most atheists are considered "Agnostic Atheists"
Agnostic atheism, also called atheistic agnosticism, is a philosophical position that encompasses both atheism and agnosticism. Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact. The agnostic atheist may be contrasted with the agnostic theist, who believes that one or more deities exist but claims that the existence or nonexistence of such is unknown or cannot be known
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
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those who say they donbt know, whats the term agonist or whatever, are certainly smarter than atheists, who rule out everything.
religion might be bs, but a creating force exists with no doubt whatsoever.
obviously.
Better stick to talking about diet, hormones and whores
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You are a moron.
Foolish you... driving down the opposite road of idiocy.
No "religious" poster has spammed this thread with such ferocious clutter of well "respected" propaganda pawns relative to his ill beliefs.
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TA must've just figured out he can believe in whatever he wants.
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Unequivocally organized religion as a whole have been and is still the cause of dark ages and wars. On the other hand there are many people who are helped by religion and are better people because of it.
Christianity was hijacked by the New World Order 1500 years ago, and was used to indoctrinate, brainwash and wage war for a long time. Just like Islam is today.
Christianity is a pretty widely interpreted. Some people just believe the universe was intentionally created. No one can know if quantum fluctuation are the cause of something else or just a random occurrences.
Many scientist talk about god and trying to understand the mind of god etc, but that's probably just a common public relation stunt, just like every president says to be Christian.
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Hahaha...from a guy that didn't understand his own self well enough to know he'd become a degenerated coke fiend.
But he'll happily discount religion.
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Funny that his student, Jung, would go on to write about an acausal connecting principle.
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those who say they donbt know, whats the term agonist or whatever, are certainly smarter than atheists, who rule out everything.
religion might be bs, but a creating force exists with no doubt whatsoever.
obviously.
My friend, that's exactly my position about this, I don't think the "bible" or any religion book is correct, but I think there is a creating force, maybe I should have clarified that in my first post, oh well.
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My friend, that's exactly my position about this, I don't think the "bible" or any religion book is correct, but I think there is a creating force, maybe I should have clarified that in my first post, oh well.
Any evidence of this? What are you basing this moronic belief on? Who "created" the "creating force"? hahahhaah
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Any evidence of this? What are you basing this moronic belief on? Who "created" the "creating force"? hahahhaah
Life and life process are so so so so fucking complex that I tend to believe that, the more I know the more I believe that. And before you say it's complex to me because I'm dumb, I'm well educated in my field and I'm amazed everytime I "discover" something new. But I know I won't change your mind, but I gotta say you atheists should get off of your high horse ;).
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Life and life process are so so so so fucking complex that I tend to believe that, the more I know the more I believe that. And before you say it's complex to me because I'm dumb, I'm well educated in my field and I'm amazed everytime I "discover" something new. But I know I won't change your mind, but I gotta say you atheists should get off of your high horse ;).
That is easily explained already and not difficult to understand.
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I'm an atheist and I'm WAY smarter than most people.
actually hard to live amongst you primate, to tell you the truth.... :-\
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I'm an atheist and I'm WAY smarter than most people.
actually hard to live amongst you primate, to tell you the truth.... :-\
Hahahahaha
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ROFL :D
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The content of what TA posted vs your's is fucking laughable, you are posting random idiots that are fucking weirdos.
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The content of what TA posted vs your's is fucking laughable, you are posting random idiots that are fucking weirdos.
Wat? They are intelligent people ;)
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Wat? They are intelligent people ;)
Ya they sound like it ::)
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hilarious post.
if u have to discuss it, then you are one of the following:
1. religious,
2. dumb, and finally,
3. all of the above.
and for the record...if u are "1", then you are automatically 3.
you dont have an ability to reason or think independently and rationally , so really you are just a trained monkey.
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Ya they sound like it ::)
globally renowned identities revered by millions/billions, over decades and centuries.
i think that gives some street cred.
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That was written by an egocentrical idiot.
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Absolutely not true
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Someone can be religous and be a POS just like an atheist can be a good person.
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Yep, I agree with that.
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hilarious post.
if u have to discuss it, then you are one of the following:
1. religious,
2. dumb, and finally,
3. all of the above.
and for the record...if u are "1", then you are automatically 3.
you dont have an ability to reason or think independently and rationally , so really you are just a trained monkey.
Aren't you the guy who thinks some pros are natural? Yep, you sound like a very smart fella. ::)
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TA, so atheism means that you are anti-christian, or that you don't believe there was a creation force? And yep, bible and any other religion books are off, but things tend to make me believe there was something we still don't know about, but you coul call it a God.
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It could be said that the basic message of Salvation has been purposely buried.
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...yet it will always rise from the ground.
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Aren't you the guy who thinks some pros are natural? Yep, you sound like a very smart fella. ::)
no. but arent you the guy that believes in God?
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Just like most atheists.
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TA, so atheism means that you are anti-christian, or that you don't believe there was a creation force? And yep, bible and any other religion books are off, but things tend to make me believe there was something we still don't know about, but you coul call it a God.
There are endless things we don`t know about and No, you can`t call it "god" to do so is surrendering reason and suspending the quest to understand anything. There is nothing wrong with saying, "I don`t know yet, but I would like to find out". Automatically invoking a supreme being or force is just an exercise in idiocy and mental surrender.
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no. but arent you the guy that believes in God?
Yes. You've said some really dumb shit on this site, Stu.
Outrageously stupid comments about steroids, bodybuilding, etc.
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Yes. You've said some really dumb shit on this site, Stu.
Outrageously stupid comments about steroids, bodybuilding, etc.
i cant help that this site is full of morons.
ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.
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There are endless things we don`t know about and No, you can`t call it "god" to do so is surrendering reason and suspending the quest to understand anything. There is nothing wrong with saying, "I don`t know yet, but I would like to find out". Automatically invoking a supreme being or force is just an exercise in idiocy and mental surrender.
Fair well, as I said, some things tend to make me believe that and it's not the lack of understanding but the understaning of how complex those process are. But I don't think you would ever change your mind, I'm ok with that, what I hate, is that some morons think they are intelligent because they "concluded" there isn't something out there.
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i cant help that this site is full of morons.
ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.
Thanks to you, there's no shortage of it. :)
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i cant help that this site is full of morons.
ive noticed that the actual smart people end up leaving. i stay for the comedy.
It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.
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I think they do feel smarter, or above it to some extent, and I've come full circle on this. The atheism arrogance used to bother me, but now I understand it a little bit. Now that I am an atheist, when people bring up God, I have no patience for it. I certainly don't feel smarter, but I don't have the stomach anymore to listen to their superstitious beliefs.
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It's sort of like a grown person saying they believed in the Tooth Fairy. Normal people would find that a little strange.
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It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.
Then you'd better keep posting, kiddo.
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Then you'd better keep posting, kiddo.
I love that you referred to me as kiddo. At 69 years of age, I enjoy the idea there is still a little bit of a kid in me.
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I love that you referred to me as kiddo. At 69 years of age, I enjoy the idea there is still a little bit of a kid in me.
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It follows then that you don't believe you are smart. Comedy is just an excuse. My excuse is that I stay because my life is sometimes boring and this fills the time with little effort on my part. The exception to this is that I have made some friends here who I would miss if I stopped posting.
Prime, you're just a good old boy, never meaning no harm. :)
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The Bible is one of the most influential works of human civilization and is thus worth reading independent of its truth. That said, actually reading it is the easiest route to atheism.
It is impossible to possess a properly functioning brain and endorse its contents in their entirety upon grasping them, since to do so would be to endorse a variety of mutually incompatible propositions:
M and J's hometown was Nazareth and it wasn't;
Jesus was born of a virgin and he wasn't;
he existed before birth and he didn't;
he cleansed the Temple in the first week of his ministry and he didn't;
the Kingdom of Heaven will be here on Earth and it won't be;
Paul thinks pagans are responsible for their non-belief and will be punished accordingly and he doesn't;
Paul converted Jews in Greece and he didn't;
Jesus was the Son and he wasn't (he was the Word, silly!);
Jesus cried out to God in confusion right before being executed and he didn't;
Jesus died on the day before Passover and he didn't;
Jesus' genealogy was as Luke describes it and it wasn't (it's also as Matthew described it, even though they are different!);
etc.
I don't know that most "believers" are even aware of how shot full of inconsistency and contradiction the text is. Anyone who takes it all as literally true hasn't read it, is an idiot, or both.
So, at best we can retreat to selectively choosing the bits we think are true, or emphasizing a "metaphorical" interpretation of things. If we do the former, we need independent justification for believing the selected bits ("the book says multiple, mutually incompatible things about why Jesus died but this one is really true, I swear!) -- none of which exist -- and if we do the latter, we are admitting the claims in the book aren't literally true, which is as good as saying that they are all false.
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P.S. The above is to say nothing of the philosophical difficulties facing Christianity (e.g., the problem of evil) -- where it really gets ugly for the view -- nor for the historical data that indicates it is a man-made religion just like every other.
It really fails on all fronts other than the "providing my life with" meaning one.
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As a carpenter J.C. was employed by IKEA ;)
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The Bible is one of the most influential works of human civilization and is thus worth reading independent of its truth. That said, actually reading it is the easiest route to atheism.
It is impossible to possess a properly functioning brain and endorse its contents in their entirety upon grasping them, since to do so would be to endorse a variety of mutually incompatible propositions:
M and J's hometown was Nazareth and it wasn't;
Jesus was born of a virgin and he wasn't;
he existed before birth and he didn't;
he cleansed the Temple in the first week of his ministry and he didn't;
the Kingdom of Heaven will be here on Earth and it won't be;
Paul thinks pagans are responsible for their non-belief and will be punished accordingly and he doesn't;
Paul converted Jews in Greece and he didn't;
Jesus was the Son and he wasn't (he was the Word, silly!);
Jesus cried out to God in confusion right before being executed and he didn't;
Jesus died on the day before Passover and he didn't;
Jesus' genealogy was as Luke describes it and it wasn't (it's also as Matthew described it, even though they are different!);
etc.
I don't know that most "believers" are even aware of how shot full of inconsistency and contradiction the text is. Anyone who takes it all as literally true hasn't read it, is an idiot, or both.
So, at best we can retreat to selectively choosing the bits we think are true, or emphasizing a "metaphorical" interpretation of things. If we do the former, we need independent justification for believing the selected bits ("the book says multiple, mutually incompatible things about why Jesus died but this one is really true, I swear!) -- none of which exist -- and if we do the latter, we are admitting the claims in the book aren't literally true, which is as good as saying that they are all false.
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I wish I could've found a better quality for the clip below...
Makes you think
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Prime, you're just a good old boy, never meaning no harm. :)
Thanks....although I am not always so good. Sometimes I am bad. You are right though in that I never intend harm or insult. It is all just in good fun.
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Jesus couldn't even get any pussy his whole life, he died a virgin closeted homo.
At least Mohammed fucked bitches, though some were under aged.
Great morals.
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No better way to obscure and diminish the crucial message of Salvation, than to attach it to as many falsehoods and contradictions as possible.
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Has anyone here actually read the bible? I certainly haven't
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Has anyone here actually read the bible? I certainly haven't
There are so many books more interesting and fun to read than Bible than even if your reading speed was super fast and you devoted your whole life just to reading it would still take hundreds of years for you to read tchem all.
I don't buy "historic value" just like I don't buy tradition, history and shit like that. Pyramids were boring piles of bricks to me just like Bible is poorly written weird story. Yes, it's old, at least so they claim. So fucking what.
BTW I hate Homer and Greek philosophers as well.
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Do you tell your children (or anyone of limited intelligence for that matter) everything? Can you sit down and explain physics to the mental equivalent of a Down's Syndrome child? What about something as relatively simple and common as an internal combustion engine? How about a board game such as Monopoly? Pick Up Sticks?
What about explain all of the above to a five year old? How about to someone of average intelligence?
Think then, creation was most likely reduced to a level whereby early man could accept and understand it. Or not. Who knows? Certainly none of us do and to claim otherwise is a patented lie.
So many here take Christianity and belittle it because they find the teachings of Christ go against their desires or perhaps because of false ministers making a mockery of Him with their lies and lives. I could give a poo whether or not you accept Christ as Saviour. I'm not responsible for you anymore than you're responsible for me. If you truly believe His life was a lie, made up to "control" the population (or whatever drives your prepubescent rantings on this subject ;D) then you have nothing to fear at your life's end, and yet still some continue their idiotic campaign against His teachings.
No one among us is perfect, least of all me. Some of us however, are stupid, rude children. You could come to my church and spout your rude thoughts about Jesus and you might be prayed for but it is more likely you would ultimately be removed from the building.
Go walk into a mosque and make fun of Mohammed and see what happens to you.
Grow up. Atheists are not as a rule any smarter than anyone else. But like any group they like to think they are.
Oh, and remember, a cult is just a religion without any political power.
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so it's a fairy tail to believe the universe has been created by GOD but it's smart to think it was just formed biologically or whatever by itself..
yes very smart ppl ::)
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so it's a fairy tail to believe the universe has been created by GOD but it's smart to think it was just formed biologically or whatever by itself..
yes very smart ppl ::)
Yeah, afraid that's it.
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At some point everyone has to say I don't know, I just believe this or that.
Yet both sides will call each other stupid even though neither one knows more than the other.
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Do you tell your children (or anyone of limited intelligence for that matter) everything? Can you sit down and explain physics to the mental equivalent of a Down's Syndrome child? What about something as relatively simple and common as an internal combustion engine? How about a board game such as Monopoly? Pick Up Sticks?
What about explain all of the above to a five year old? How about to someone of average intelligence?
Think then, creation was most likely reduced to a level whereby early man could accept and understand it. Or not. Who knows? Certainly none of us do and to claim otherwise is a patented lie.
So many here take Christianity and belittle it because they find the teachings of Christ go against their desires or perhaps because of false ministers making a mockery of Him with their lies and lives. I could give a poo whether or not you accept Christ as Saviour. I'm not responsible for you anymore than you're responsible for me. If you truly believe His life was a lie, made up to "control" the population (or whatever drives your prepubescent rantings on this subject ;D) then you have nothing to fear at your life's end, and yet still some continue their idiotic campaign against His teachings.
No one among us is perfect, least of all me. Some of us however, are stupid, rude children. You could come to my church and spout your rude thoughts about Jesus and you might be prayed for but more it is more likely you be would ultimately be removed from the building.
Go walk into a mosque and make fun of Mohammed and see what happens to you.
Grow up. Atheists are not as a rule any smarter than anyone else. But like any group they like to think they are.
Oh, and remember, a cult is just a religion without any political power.
Precisely why religion is moronic. They all use bully tactics in order to stifle free thought and rationality.
Oh and Atheists are much more intelligent than religious people. This is not debatable. Religious people have not done much, if anything, to further Science and Technology. They have done nothing to even further civilization in any kind of Sociologically beneficial or positive way. (Dark Ages anyone, the Burning of the Library of Alexandria, Destroying Greek and Roman literature, historical writings, scientific and technological inventions, suppressing progress every step of the way)
The only reason you are able to live life the way you do currently, is because of Atheists. Atheists have invented everything, pushed the boundaries of Science and Technology whereas the only thing Christians do is get in the way of progress and try to tell others how to live.
Have fun languishing in your perpetual stupidity.
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At some point everyone has to say I don't know, I just believe this or that.
Yet both sides will call each other stupid even though neither one knows more than the other.
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There is no equal probability here. To say that is as dumb as believing in a talking snake. Might as well put you on the moron shelf as well.
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Do you tell your children (or anyone of limited intelligence for that matter) everything? Can you sit down and explain physics to the mental equivalent of a Down's Syndrome child? What about something as relatively simple and common as an internal combustion engine? How about a board game such as Monopoly? Pick Up Sticks?
What about explain all of the above to a five year old? How about to someone of average intelligence?
Think then, creation was most likely reduced to a level whereby early man could accept and understand it. Or not. Who knows? Certainly none of us do and to claim otherwise is a patented lie.
So many here take Christianity and belittle it because they find the teachings of Christ go against their desires or perhaps because of false ministers making a mockery of Him with their lies and lives. I could give a poo whether or not you accept Christ as Saviour. I'm not responsible for you anymore than you're responsible for me. If you truly believe His life was a lie, made up to "control" the population (or whatever drives your prepubescent rantings on this subject ;D) then you have nothing to fear at your life's end, and yet still some continue their idiotic campaign against His teachings.
No one among us is perfect, least of all me. Some of us however, are stupid, rude children. You could come to my church and spout your rude thoughts about Jesus and you might be prayed for but it is more likely you would ultimately be removed from the building.
Go walk into a mosque and make fun of Mohammed and see what happens to you.
Grow up. Atheists are not as a rule any smarter than anyone else. But like any group they like to think they are.
Oh, and remember, a cult is just a religion without any political power.
What a funny post. So you're saying that because most folks weren't capable of understanding complicated shee-it, magical beings dumbed down their explanations for, say, the origin of everything (including man). Hmmmm. Okay. I guess I can buy that. What, then, would be the excuse for the god-like beings to withhold a more convincing explanation now?
You do go on to say "Who knows? Certainly none of us do and to claim otherwise is a patented lie." which could have come out of the mouth of any agnostic, so is your whole point just that it's rude and stupid to use critical thinking skills to evaluate fantastical explanations for the universe? If so, that doesn't sound like something anyone interested in the truth would ever say. (A scammer might, though.)
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We just have to lift let the religion stuff will take care of itself, just do the right things it's not that difficult. Do undo others that you don't want done to yourself the golden rule.
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so it's a fairy tail to believe the universe has been created by GOD but it's smart to think it was just formed biologically or whatever by itself..
yes very smart ppl ::)
Is it smart or stupid to admit that no one really knows but that the explanations offered by most religions sound like poppycock?
BTW, did Nasser believe in God as far as you know? I'm curious. I'm gonna bet that he didn't.
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Precisely why religion is moronic. They all use bully tactics in order to stifle free thought and rationality.
Oh and Atheists are much more intelligent than religious people. This is not debatable. Religious people have not done much, if anything, to further Science and Technology. They have done nothing to even further civilization in any kind of Sociologically beneficial or positive way. (Dark Ages anyone, the Burning of the Library of Alexandria, Destroying Greek and Roman literature, historical writings, scientific and technological inventions, suppressing progress every step of the way)
The only reason you are able to live life the way you do currently, is because of Atheists. Atheists have invented everything, pushed the boundaries of Science and Technology whereas the only thing Christians do is get in the way of progress and try to tell others how to live.
Have fun languishing in your perpetual stupidity.
Thank you. Couldn't have said it better.
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Precisely why religion is moronic. They all use bully tactics in order to stifle free thought and rationality.
Oh and Atheists are much more intelligent than religious people. This is not debatable. Religious people have not done much, if anything, to further Science and Technology not to mention Sociologically. (Dark Ages anyone, the Burning of the Library of Alexandria, Destroying Greek and Roman literature, historical writings, scientific and technological inventions, suppressing progress every step of the way)
The only reason you are able to live life the way you do currently, is because of Atheists. Atheists have invented everything, pushed the boundaries of Science and Technology whereas the only thing Christians do is get in the way of progress and try to tell others how to live.
Have fun languishing in your perpetual stupidity.
What in the world is wrong with you boy? Is this some sort of penis measuring thing with you? Okay then, you are the biggest dick on getbig. What a ridiculous excuse for a man you are. This is not what someone of your ilk here would call a "meltdown", this is being put in your place for being a rude brat.
I meant no one any harm and was far from mean spirited and yet you ejaculate what you feel passes for thought and reason as though it were your own atheistic second "cumming" at your clever use of the english language.
Science, but you are a pussy.
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Do undo others that you don't want done to yourself the golden rule.
Can I fuck my wife in the ass ?
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What a funny post. So you're saying that because most folks weren't capable of understanding complicated shee-it, magical beings dumbed down their explanations for, say, the origin of everything (including man). Hmmmm. Okay. I guess I can buy that. What, then, would be the excuse for the god-like beings to withhold a more convincing explanation now?
You do go on to say "Who knows? Certainly none of us do and to claim otherwise is a patented lie." which could have come out of the mouth of any agnostic, so is your whole point just that it's rude and stupid to use critical thinking skills to evaluate fantastical explanations for the universe? If so, that doesn't sound like something anyone interested in the truth would ever say. (A scammer might, though.)
I am saying I do not know. I have faith and the hope it provides. If that upsets you, then get used to being upset. Althought I must admit I think you are silly for being so.
And no, I think science is great. Where you got the "idea" to infer otherwise is simple. You just want to make fun of me for my faith. ;D
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Can I fuck my wife in the ass ?
I should think you need to ask her, not him.
;D
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Can I fuck my wife in the ass ?
If she approves just wash off afterwards.
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Is it smart or stupid to admit that no one really knows but that the explanations offered by most religions sound like poppycock?
BTW, did Nasser believe in God as far as you know? I'm curious. I'm gonna bet that he didn't.
yes he believed in Allah and was praying every friday.. he always kept some medals with some Quran with him and was talking great about islam..
this is as far as i know..
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yes he believed in Allah and was praying every friday.. he always kept some medals with some Quran with him and was talking great about islam..
this is as far as i know..
did you ever ask him who he thought gh15 was?
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did you ever ask him who he thought gh15 was?
yes and seriously he didnt know for sure.. but he liked his posts..
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Precisely why religion is moronic. They all use bully tactics in order to stifle free thought and rationality.
Oh and Atheists are much more intelligent than religious people. This is not debatable. Religious people have not done much, if anything, to further Science and Technology. They have done nothing to even further civilization in any kind of Sociologically beneficial or positive way. (Dark Ages anyone, the Burning of the Library of Alexandria, Destroying Greek and Roman literature, historical writings, scientific and technological inventions, suppressing progress every step of the way)
The only reason you are able to live life the way you do currently, is because of Atheists. Atheists have invented everything, pushed the boundaries of Science and Technology whereas the only thing Christians do is get in the way of progress and try to tell others how to live.
Have fun languishing in your perpetual stupidity.
TA, you fall under the categorie I was talking about, an atheist who thinks highly of himself just because... he doesn't believe in "fairy tales".
As I once read, I could draw a small circle in the ground that would represent what I know, then I could draw a bigger circle in the ground representing what you know, but what's outside those circles is what we don't know. You are acting exactly like those "moronic" christians you talk about.
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why no biological development has taken place on mars to create any life there??.. yes it's not suitable for earth's creatures but it could create its own life.. lol..
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so all by chance out of the 8 planets in the solar system only earth has developed a well organized life with many types of difference creature...
what a coincidence ::)
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for those who say (no one really knows),.. you guys have 4 options:
1- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you are in hell..
2- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
3- to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you live in heaven..
4- to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
since you are not sure dont take the risk!!.. at least think more about it..
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so all by chance out of the 8 planets in the solar system only earth has developed a well organized life with many types of difference creature...
what a coincidence ::)
Are you serious? ???
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for those who say (no one really knows),.. you guys have 4 options:
1- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you are in hell..
2- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
3- to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you live in heaven..
4- to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
since you are not sure dont take the risk!!.. at least think more about it..
The problem with that is that all 4 options operate under the supposition that there is a god.
Pascal's Wager is a joke.
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The problem with that is that all 4 options operate under the supposition that there is a god.
Pascal's Wager is a joke.
i think i said clearly (for those who are not sure).. ppl who are sure there is no God like you have nothing to do with these 4 options..
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i think i said clearly (for those who are not sure).. ppl who are sure there is no God like you have nothing to do with these 4 options..
Well thats stupid, as you are just encouraging fence sitters that they better surrender reason and believe because "they have nothing to lose" (except their intelligence and reason).
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Why do nattys think they are better than juicers and talk shit yet juicers don't care nor comment about nattys?
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Why do nattys think they are better than juicers and talk shit yet juicers don't care nor comment about nattys?
I don`t think they think that. They are right in saying drugs can make the process of muscle gaining easier.
However, for me, drugs would just complicate things and actually be much more difficult. I have no desire to research what does what and how to take it. Plus I like being healthy and smaller as I prefer that look.
Also, I am a pussy when it comes to anything drug related. I don`t like the idea of potentially altering my DNA or speeding up the process of mutations.
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for those who say (no one really knows),.. you guys have 4 options:
1- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you are in hell..
2- to not care to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
3- to follow God's rules then after you die you discover God is real and you live in heaven..
4- to follow God's rules then after you die you become nothing as God is not real..
since you are not sure dont take the risk!!.. at least think more about it..
Well, well. After reading #1, I can only conclude that your "God" is a petty dick. I sincerely hope your posts are of the trollish/gimmicky variety because if they aren't you are a serious 'tard.
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Here's a cool bumpersticker (that would pretty much be announcing "please vandalize me" if I were to drive around with it here in NC):
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See uberman in example, dude is religious and he's very intelligent yet I don't think most guys on here like him. :D
uberman is negative as hell, but he's one of the most intelligent guys on getbig. Everyone of his posts are worth reading.
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uberman is negative as hell, but he's one of the most intelligent guys on getbig. Everyone of his posts are worth reading.
I have a suspicion that he will be an atheist pretty soon.
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I have a suspicion that he will be an atheist pretty soon.
Don't know what that means, but sounds intriguing. ;D
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Fair well, as I said, some things tend to make me believe that and it's not the lack of understanding but the understaning of how complex those process are. But I don't think you would ever change your mind, I'm ok with that, what I hate, is that some morons think they are intelligent because they "concluded" there isn't something out there.
So if you don't understand something or see it as highly complex, a Sky God created it?
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why no biological development has taken place on mars to create any life there??.. yes it's not suitable for earth's creatures but it could create its own life.. lol..
A magical invisible Sky God with creation powers spoke a few words and the earth appeared?
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How did the universe came to be Sherief? Did your invisible god create it with a few words? What's your view on this?
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Why the fuck can't people be happy with not knowing?
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This is my basic belief system right here. Just be a good person and let everything take care of itself.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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This is my basic belief system right here. Just be a good person and let everything take care of itself.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
This ^ X2.
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why no biological development has taken place on mars to create any life there??.. yes it's not suitable for earth's creatures but it could create its own life.. lol..
Mining is where the interest is, regarding space. Don't kid yourself.
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This is my basic belief system right here. Just be a good person and let everything take care of itself.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
Do you have faith in goodness?
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Do you have faith in goodness?
I have faith that I can control my own actions. Everything will sort itself out when I die.
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I have faith that I can control my own actions. Everything will sort itself out when I die.
Control your actions, in what way?
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Control your actions, in what way?
I choose my path in life. I choose how I react to certain situations. Every person has this power. A true god would value independent thinkers. Not sheep.
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I choose my path in life. I choose how I react to certain situations. Every person has this power. A true god would value independent thinkers. Not sheep.
Absolute truth, right there.
Is it fair to say you generally attempt to control your actions with a consideration for good?
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Absolute truth, right there.
Is it fair to say you generally attempt to control your actions with a consideration for good?
Humans have the most developed brain for a reason. Reason. We do not have to revert to caveman tactics to survive. The 10 commandments are powerful (not because they are the word of god) but because the are equivalent to a Letterman top 10. They are the 10 most obvious ways to be a civilized human being.
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Humans have the most developed brain for a reason. Reason. We do not have to revert to caveman tactics to survive. The 10 commandments are powerful (not because they are the word of god) but because the are equivalent to a Letterman top 10. They are the 10 most obvious ways to be a civilized human being.
The first couple are about worshipping god and having no other idols you nitwit. It says nothing about rape, genocide, incest etc.
They are a shitty attempt by some stupid sheep herders.
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The first couple are about worshipping god and having no other idols you nitwit. It says nothing about rape, genocide, incest etc.
They are a shitty attempt by some stupid sheep herders.
I don't believe in the bible my friend. They were some smart sheep herders though.
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Humans have the most developed brain for a reason. Reason. We do not have to revert to caveman tactics to survive. The 10 commandments are powerful (not because they are the word of god) but because the are equivalent to a Letterman top 10. They are the 10 most obvious ways to be a civilized human being.
I can't tell you about the 10 Commandments. The question of good, however, is the one thing in this world that I can be sure of.
So you do attempt to control your actions with a consideration of good, wouldn't you say?
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I can't tell you about the 10 Commandments. The question of good, however, is the one thing in this world that I can be sure of.
So you do attempt to control your actions with a consideration of good, wouldn't you say?
What do you define as good? People's natural instincts are to procreate, love, and survive. Many outside factors dictate individual's rationale on life. I can only give you my opinion. Show respect and act humble. The nice guy may finish last, but he can die with dignity, and...............who knows what else ;)
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What do you define as good? People's natural instincts are to procreate, love, and survive. Many outside factors dictate individual's rationale on life. I can only give you my opinion. Show respect and act humble. The nice guy may finish last, but he can die with dignity, and...............who knows what else ;)
Good and bad are very clear; right and wrong, however, may be unclear. Would you disagree?
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I also have this nice nugget (taken from my history thread on the general board) What do christians have to say about a group of people who got together to discuss: How can we make this religion make sense?
This council is proof that documents were doctored and distorted to fit an agenda. Who knows what was added or left out. It is proof positive that humans have controlled the religious propoganda.
The Council of Nicaea, the first ecumenical debate held by the early Christian church, concludes with the establishment of the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Convened by Roman Emperor Constantine I in May, the council also deemed the Arian belief of Christ as inferior to God as heretical, thus resolving an early church crisis.
The controversy began when Arius, an Alexandrian priest, questioned the full divinity of Christ because, unlike God, Christ was born and had a beginning. What began as an academic theological debate spread to Christian congregations throughout the empire, threatening a schism in the early Christian church. Roman Emperor Constantine I, who converted to Christianity in 312, called bishops from all over his empire to resolve the crisis and urged the adoption of a new creed that would resolve the ambiguities between Christ and God.
Meeting at Nicaea in present-day Turkey, the council established the equality of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit in the Holy Trinity and asserted that only the Son became incarnate as Jesus Christ. The Arian leaders were subsequently banished from their churches for heresy. The Emperor Constantine presided over the opening of the council and contributed to the discussion.
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Good and bad are very clear; right and wrong, however, may be unclear. Would you disagree?
I would disagree. You can strip good/bad and right/wrong to the very core. People can ultimately claim survival of the fittest for everything. Is killing a person different from squashing a roach? People will argue this. Human life means nothing to some people.
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I will say, it could only be the truest message, that would have the most falsehoods attached to it.
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I would disagree. You can strip good/bad and right/wrong to the very core. People can ultimately claim survival of the fittest for everything. Is killing a person different from squashing a roach? People will argue this. Human life means nothing to some people.
Good-and-bad is the basic premise upon which right-and-wrong is spun. I'm sure you understand that, right?
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Good-and-bad is the basic premise upon which right-and-wrong is spun. I'm sure you understand that, right?
Yes. That is supposedly what makes humans the top of the food chain. It is when you dig deeper, that you begin to wonder.
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Yes. That is supposedly what makes humans the top of the food chain. It is when you dig deeper, that you begin to wonder.
When you think of the times that you should have acted with goodness, but you did not act with goodness, how do you feel?
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When you think of the times that you should have acted with goodness, but you did not act with goodness, how do you feel?
Selfish, spoiled, oblivious, etc........... They say people are products of thier environment. I say people can shape they're own environment.
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Shizzo has the debating skills and intellectual capacity of a Harvard professor.
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Selfish, spoiled, oblivious, etc........... They say people are products of thier environment. I say people can shape they're own environment.
Meaning it was only in hindsight, in these cases, that you reflected upon the situation as such?
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...in the cases of possible oblivion, I mean.
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Meaning it was only in hindsight, in these cases, that you reflected upon the situation as such?
We can always do more. But when do people decide to help themselves? We have all the creature comforts these days (minus the third world) yet we still complain.
I look at my phone while driving on the highway. We are a spoiled species.
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We can always do more. But when do people decide to help themselves? We have all the creature comforts these days (minus the third world) yet we still complain.
I look at my phone while driving on the highway. We are a spoiled species.
So you'd like for things to be closer to good?
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So you'd like for things to be closer to good?
"Good" as a way of life is man made. Instincts drive all living creatures. Some lust for power, others succumb to greed. Life is about instant/constant pleasure to most people. We are a jaded society on the brink.
I would love things to be closer to good. I just noticed that good is no more than god with an extra o.
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"Good" as a way of life is man made. Instincts drive all living creatures. Some lust for power, others succumb to greed. Life is about instant/constant pleasure to most people. We are a jaded society on the brink.
I would love things to be closer to good. I just noticed that good is no more than god with an extra o.
I'll tell you this. The message of Salvation is one that a person must process. Don't attach the message to anything else, including any version of any book. If you attempt to attach it to something else, you will obscure it.
Process your information, independently, and don't allow something that may be bad, attempt to obscure that which is good.
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We can always do more. But when do people decide to help themselves? We have all the creature comforts these days (minus the third world) yet we still complain.
I look at my phone while driving on the highway. We are a spoiled species.
You driving on the highway is scary enough.
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I'll tell you this. The message of Salvation is one that a person must process. Don't attach the message to anything else, including any version of any book. If you attempt to attach it to anything else, you will obscure it.
Process your information, independently, and don't allow something that may be bad, attempt to obscure that which is good.
You are right. Individual salvation is as unique as a fingerprint. You will not find it in any book or by filling a collection plate.
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Tito, looking good in that pic. what did you name that bear? :D :D
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You driving on the highway is scary enough.
You are on fire! Lol.
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You are right. Individual salvation is as unique as a fingerprint. You will not find it in any book or by filling a collection plate.
Hard to argue against that.
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Maybe he cares the least too much.
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so all by chance out of the 8 planets in the solar system only earth has developed a well organized life with many types of difference creature...
what a coincidence ::)
It's called probability. I don't know exact calculations but it is way smaller than 1/8 and at the same time way bigger than 1/[numbers of planets in the universe] so odds are, there is life on another planet somewhere. Yet, considering the distances between the planets and our limitations (speed of light ffs) it's highly unlikely we can find them.
Educate yourself because you clearly have a knowledge of a 5 year old.
BTW Pascal's wager assumes that:
1. God is good.
2. God wants you to praise him.
What if God is evil and wants you to kill people and doesn't want you to praise him or you will be damned? There are just as many reasons to believe god is like that as there are to believe that god is on the contrary - zero.
The whole reason why you so desperately want god to be good, caring so much that you will fail to realize that it may not be the case is your desperate need to be a part of something bigger. Deep inside you are still a child. As a kid your parents were god to you - you felt safe with them, they took care of you, they seemed powerful and you really wanted to behave good so they are proud of you. As you grew older and realized they are not as powerful and mighty as you previously imagined you failed to mature and found another "father", imaginary one, a "god".
God is your imaginary father, prosthesis of parent.
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
Discuss
oh well...
here we go again.
We are animals who are conscious of being animals, it just how evolution made us. Our "intelligence" is just another strategy of survival that allows us to kill instead of being killed by other life forms, humans or not. The point of a life form is to survive, everything is strategy of survival. We help only those who help maintain or insure our own survival, we ignore or erase those who threaten our own survival or the survival of our genes -our offsprings-. All life forms, vegetal or animal -man included- have for sole and only purpose to adapt to survive. Plant fight each others to reach the sun and survive, have more ressources, and constantly are at war with each others. Same with animals, they re all at war , struggling for survival against each others. Life is, war. Our thoughts fight each others, systems of beliefs (atheism which is a mix of system of beliefs, is a religion itself, made of a patchwork of beliefs) fight each others, we are at war with our parents who only take care of us hoping, calculating that in return when they ll be old we will take care of them. We are at war with our brothers, sisters, others. Life is unequal, and constantly generates inequality, if you want to end inequalities you d have to stop the process of life itself. Life is binary, life is fighting constantly against nil, the "nothing", tries to adapt to not disapear. It is blind and ultimately life is vain as it will be destroyed by some random event one way or another. Our personalities, identities as we call them, are just a bunch of strategies of survival. Everything that exists, that is alive, is strategy of survival against death. We all attempt to give a meaning to this blind random process, and we re all sure we deserve to survive more than our neighbor who also think he deserves to survive and that you dont.
On earth in the animal and vegetal realms, you re either dominating, or dominated. Again it is binary. You re either creating life, or destroying it.
We all have to "choose" from a very limited set of main strategies of survival; flee, cooperate -cooperation happens when both life forms would be destroyed in an attempt to defeat each others, so as a result they are somehwat forced to cooperate- dominate or submit. All lifeforms have to follow these basic principles "rules of life" wether they re vegetal or animal. All humans constantly calculate how to survive, develop strategies of survival, this is what we call "thinking". Look at people; they re calculating how to dominate you instead of being dominated by you. We submit willingly to other people when we want something from them; strategies of survival, a protection, that we need to insure, maintain our own odds of survival. When people have nothing we need, we ignore them and have no problem erasing them -in a competition for a job, or food, which basically is the same-. People who are interested in us just detected we have something -strategies of survival- they dont have, and they want to acquire them by staying by our side, talking with us. Often once people got what they wanted from us, learned it from us, they abandon us. Except if their own survival depends of ours. We "love" other people because their survival insure our own survival. When someone destroys us we re automatically looking for someone else to follow and submit to.
All humans on earth are convinced their "god" (allah, buddha, shiva, etc) are with them and not with the enemy. In fact they re confusing their own survival, their interests, with the will of a "god". "god" is the ultimate, perfect man/animal , and this concept is embeded in all human minds. In the end only the strongest, smartest, fitest will survive, I guess the survivors will consider their God to be the right one, as he will be the only one standing. At this point they ll probably realize they are, the god they believed in. In fact our faith in ourselves is just our instinct of survival, also called "ego".
The goal of westerners is to rise in society by using your intelligence to work, earn money and fuck others in the ass, get at the top of the pyramid. This is essentially the western philosophy of life. As long as you dont get caught, are smart enough to hide how you got there, it's allright. Other decide to develop maffias to survive, others pick being welfare recipients all lif elong as their main strategy of survival. There s no dumb strategy of survival, as long as it works. But in the end, all strategies of survival fail ultimately as everything that lives is mortal.
It's exactly the same process at work everywhere else on the planet, in all countries, communities, whatever the religion; because we are animals, these rules, principles, are animal ones; all humans run after the same things, we are all the fucking same and we all need, want, the ressources that get scarcer. Which means we will fight to death and will probably destroy oursleves ultimately. If we dont some random
"natural" disaster will take care of us anyway. Had it to happen, or only "freedom" would be to find a way to survive it. It is probably also the same rule everywhere in the whole universe; same causes have same consequences;
the receipe for life is the same everywhere in the universe. The same key elements are needed and "evolutions" probably take the exact same paths everywhere. Our will to "know" , is the will to learn
how to dominate, to control, to subdue. It is often falsely labelled as a "good quality", but in fact it's just a sheer will to learn strategies of survival in order to better "know" how to dominate others and keep
them below.
Wether muslims , chinese orthodoxian christian russians or atheist westerners take over the world, in the end we will destroy each others for the last remaining ressources, it cannot be otherwise. Mankind will disapear just like dinosaurs and other past animal species. Mankind has an end, it's not a matter of if, but when. "How" is what keeps us interested in understanding how we will disapear. Probably some kind of sublimation process.
Odds are high humans from the future will be a mix chinese, russians, europeans, africans, and north americans. Only a few survivors having all the knowledges and powers, "gods".
All lifeforms organize themselves in pyramidal societies where a minority of the rare smartest and/or strongest are a the top while the dumbest are below them and outnumber them by a tenfold. In all societies the richest, most powerful and "intelligent" pay dumb people who love to use weapons to keep control of the even dumber masses.
You want to end this? then end life, because that's just the way life is.
Now these fast food fuckers work a shit job and probably deserve more than they earn compared to people who pretend to work more than they actually do; it's not like the corporations dont have the money. Problem is the minute they quit millions of third worlders will gladly take their places. This is multiculturalism and "globalization". Looks like a salary raise aint gonna happen anytime soon.
All of this will somehow "end" very soon anyway when global economy crashes. Most of the first world population has been living beyond its means for so long a necessary and automatical balancing process will have to happen. Again , only the smartest fittest and strongest will survive.
Hapiness is dominating. You re unhappy when you cant dominate, when you hope, envision yourself dominating later in life, when you envision your ofsprings dominating , you want to live. You "sacrifice yourself" hoping that even if you cant dominate in your lifespan, your kids learning the best of your strategies of survival, will in their own lifespan.
Domination is happiness. In most animal species there are alphas males the fittest, smartest -in the sense of their ability to out think others in order to kill them or keep them below themselves in the hierarchy- or /and strongest who are fewer, lead the weaker, sitting at the top of the pyramid. There are always more dumb, weak individuals in a group, and they all hope to become strong one day, to be at the top of the pyramid. This is "hope". Eventually even the strong leader gets old and weaker, and if he was never "smart" and "wise", will be defeated by the youngest in violence. If he was "wise" -planifying his own future survival- he led them all life long so when they get stronger
they wont eradicate him and will take care of him...in order to learn from him his strategies of survival...his "wisdom".
putin, the sheiks and obama/bush and co are all laughing out loud with their arm selling friends and other "politicians" "religious leaders" trying hard not to choke on their caviar and champagne. They cant wait to start a little fireworks, but in the end, they re all business partners first and foremost. They dont give a single fuck about the common man, woman or kid from "down below in the pyramid", whatever his, her skin color. It's all about riches vs poors, powerful vs weak, dominating vs dominated.
There wont be any WWIII, the current war is between the 1% and the 99%. Considering the 99% want to be part of the 1%, they ll always keep destroying themselves at the amusement of the 1% who give them a salary instead of focusing on destroying the very same 1%. Animals, the lots of us.
The big, fat cigar smoking deciders are always comfortably sited in a nice warm desk, while the rest of mankind is trying to get at their level to take their place in the comfy chair.
If you re not rich and smart enough to be a slave owner or if you dont have the chance to be the son of a slave owner, chances are you are a slave yourself. Your two only hopes are that you or your offspring will become a slave owner instead of staying a slave.
When you dominate your feel good because you know your odds of survival are superior compeared to others who are dominated.
Being frustrated, a slave, trapped, makes you feel unhappy, being too unhappy for too long makes you fall into depression. Depression is just the surface of the water,
deep below is death itself. We re unhappy when we know we have few odds of survival, or when we realize our offsprings will be as dominated and frustrated as ourselves.
You people should read about hans peter zappfe who perfected what nietszche , darwin and other nihilists developed. He basically announced the end of mankind with
his essay about the "last messiah" while explaining how humans give a meaning to their existence. Before being thinking, believing animals,
we are animals first and foremost and our only goal is to adapt, "understand" to dominate and insure our odds of survival are higher than those of the competition.
We re just an animal species among others , dinosaurs existed millions of years but were dumb. We are very "smart" but
we will probably die or destroy ourselves and wont live millions of years. Yes, all of this is is absurd. Dumb people are often happier than smart people. Real smart people
use their smarts to dominate others and can become happy as a result. Very smart people cannot be happy. Ugly people are nice because it's how they survive,
most good looking people, porwerful people see no need in being nice, as they dont have to, to dominate and survive. They revert to being nice when they lose
all their money fame or beauty. Most people are not happy or couldnt explain what is hapiness, because it doesnt exist. In fact most people who are happy
are not aware of why they are happy, they most of the time "designed" to be happy by their genes and education. Most people especially in the west
pretend to be happy more than they are, which is in itself a strategy of survival; you ve got to look happy, because when you feel depressed, others
see it and in order to make themselves feel good will try to destroy you, because you re an easy prey, target. We all do this. We are all fake, we are
all animals pretending to be something else, something "better", but it's just hypocrisy.
I went from atheism to buddhism, realizeb buddhists couldnt even defend themselves against chinese oppression, that it's easy to feel happy
when you re the dalai lama revered by everyone else since birth, realized he didnt help the least tibetans, i went into psychoanalysis, psychology, realized
psychologists are just paid friends who will brainwash you into their own beliefs hiding behind "science", then read the Bible and realized we were just animals.
My mother smoked while being pregnant of me , my father was a nihilistic atheist who cheated on her and abandonned us when i was 6. My mother remaried
with a step father who hated me... and thanks to my good looks i survived being supported by a woman with a self esteem. This is real life.
We re all trying to survive and there s no dumb way , strategy of survival, just strategies that work, and strategies that dont work. Some might work for a while and fail later.
As a result the strongest, best strategies of survival are those who last forever. I found out the closest is the jew / christian / orthodox religion.
Family, work, power, money, self improvement, domination, survival. Ultimately tho, every life form is doomed. We are a bunch of preprogrammed
strategies of survival inherited form our parents. We are the psychological, biological, physical sum of them. We are a mix of strategies of physical and mental
strategies of survival. We also learn system of beliefs that allow us to survive in our thought process, acquire them and then share them.
Strategies of survival fight each others randomly over and over and when you are successful at dominating someone, at acquiring a ressource others
are deprived from -the feeling of being uique, chosen = instinct of survival- you feel happy, the chemical receipe that produces hapiness in your brain is complete.
Emotions, feelings are a byproduct of our attempts at adapting to survive. Life is all about killing or being killed. Humans are wird animals because
even unfit humans can survive, such feel depressed, frustrtated, useless, because other humans need them to get a job. People who "care" about
older people, handicapped, we only care about them because it gives us jobs. It pretty sums up the meaning of so called "compassion" and "empathy".
Young people tolearate and help older people only to learn from them strategies of survival that would increase their own odds of survival. Nothing is free. And old people
arent dumb, they slowly give their advices to the youngest in order to stay alive. Mutual interest. In insuring each others odds of survival thru "cooperation".
This is also why people ar ein debt nowadays; they want do buy the big truck, house in order to dominate others, even if they dont have the money for it. Assholes
who allow them do so in the financial system also benefit from it.
We re all looking for something that doesnt exists; perfection, omnipotence, eternity. We re all frustrated, imperfect, suffering constantly, and ultimately mankind and earth
will be destroyed one way or another. PRobably only a small fraction of mankind will survive and escape. The "chosen ones", result of millions of years of "evolution" and
artificial and natural selection among humans. But what will be the point of their lives? To survive. Find another planet...and there, they ll have to struggle for survival,
again.
Those who have kids raise them hoping they will dominate other little kids, let's not fool ourselves. We all hope our kids will raise in the pyramid, social, animal
ladder, to the top. This is "hope", hope to dominate, to control, to be powerful. This is what keeps us breeding. This "hope". We dont have any hope for "mankind", we dont care,
we only pretend to care about people we have no links with in order to make ourselves look good, which itself is a strategy of survival; we re designed to only take care of our own genes,
and everything else is "competition". Observe animals: they eat, rest, and rest alows them to replenish energy and then they go hunt again, trying to survive and avoid being
eaten by predators. They sometimes cooperate or enter in competition with siblings in their species. We as humans are doing exactly the same every single day.
In more complexe ways, but essentially, we re doing the same. We fight each others with stares, with words, with poses, with our fists. We rest to replenish our forces
for the next day, we hope someone bigger, richer, smarter, faster, wont find a way to eradicate us at work, in the streets, on the road. We buy bigger, impressive
scary looking cars to dominate others on the road. Rest, or peace, is only a preparation for the next struggle, war, fight. It's just a phase in a cycle, a process in another
bigger process. We all thiink as humans we re unique, special, but we arent, we re just animals fighting to insure our own survival. We didnt even choose the whole thing,
we were spawned into this world without any consent. We didnt "want" it. We dont choose to be alive. We re just a bunch of strategies of survival and "we" reproduce them
blindly. Being successful at "surviving" makes us automatically feel good, being unsuccessful makes us feel bad, and when you fail too often at "surviving" you dont die,
simply become depressed, until you find a way to dominate others , we call this finding a "place", a profession, a function. Reality is, the majority of humans never dominate,
they are slaves to other more powerful humans. This is why the 99% are depressed, and the 1% laugh all the way to the bank, making money out of the 99%'s stupidity.
Most people barely survive daily, in their own thought process. We all need a strong, stable system of beliefs. It has to be reassuring and empowering. It has to give
a meaning to everything, even if it doesnt have a meaning. This is the software of our brain which is the hardware. If the software is corrupt, malfunctionning, the hardware/body is at risk
of not being able to function and to deteriorate over time.
This is probably the only truth there is. The one our brains conveniently try to avoid by not "thinking too much", by "working", being part of the society, by watching TV, sports
etc. Most people successfully pretend to ignore this reality because it endagers their thought process, the normal functionning of life. Life kills anyway, all of us,
in the end. No matter how long you pretend to ignore its real purpose, meaning, functionning. We occupy our minds working, having hobbies, perfecting, improving ourselves
until we reach mastery in one or several domains of our existences. But we never do this for others, but just for ourselves, because we want to dominate,
be unique, have unique skills that makes us important to others who dont have these skills, thus insuring we will have better odds of survival, being
more important than others. We never do this for them per se, we never do anything for others, we always do things for ourselves first and foresmot.
You can be as intelligent, smart as you want, if you cannot use it to dominate others, you will realize the sheer aburdity of life. Ignorant, dumb people are in factsmarter
as their volonturay ignoring of what truly underlies life actually prevent them from becoming mentally sick. Being smart doesnt mean being happy. You need to be smart
and dominate others to be happy. This is why many artists who are "smart" are unhappy and suicidal and lonely. Being dumb doesnt mean being unhappy, many dumb people
are happy to not understand the daily routines they reproduce blindly, having no clue what they are doing. They re just following "dreams", "models". When we imitate
a model just like chimps do, we imitate someone else strategies of domination, survival, we learn them from them, we copy them, internalize them
and reproduce them to insure our own survival. We pick different strategies of survival from other people s strategies of survival. A personality , identity, is just that, a patchwork
of strategies of survival inherited, acquired, learned, by an individual.
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I hope to meet uberman someday and have a beer with him.
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It's called probability. I don't know exact calculations but it is way smaller than 1/8 and at the same time way bigger than 1/[numbers of planets in the universe] so odds are, there is life on another planet somewhere. Yet, considering the distances between the planets and our limitations (speed of light ffs) it's highly unlikely we can find them.
Educate yourself because you clearly have a knowledge of a 5 year old.
BTW Pascal's wager assumes that:
1. God is good.
2. God wants you to praise him.
What if God is evil and wants you to kill people and doesn't want you to praise him or you will be damned? There are just as many reasons to believe god is like that as there are to believe that god is on the contrary - zero.
The whole reason why you so desperately want god to be good, caring so much that you will fail to realize that it may not be the case is your desperate need to be a part of something bigger. Deep inside you are still a child. As a kid your parents were god to you - you felt safe with them, they took care of you, they seemed powerful and you really wanted to behave good so they are proud of you. As you grew older and realized they are not as powerful and mighty as you previously imagined you failed to mature and found another "father", imaginary one, a "god".
God is your imaginary father, prosthesis of parent.
Don't get tripped-up by words, deceiver. Try focusing on meaning.
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Don't get tripped-up by words, deceiver. Try focusing on meaning.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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Haha, I just mixed , synthesized probably everything I ve heard, read, and added some of my own observations to it, nothing really revolutionary. Many before have thought about it, many died and were forgotten, others started writing it on paper or stone. The funny in the end is that it's still religious people who ultimately keep the will to live/ the faith, and will survive thanks to strong and powerful families and who will inherit what is left of the earth. They willingly choose to ignore atheism which is a mix of nihilistic beliefs and just take the best of it to add it to their "belief in God" thus protecting their minds from being corrupted by destructive thoughts. The 1% who will go thru all of this will be religious because only blind faith can get you thru the inherent absurdity of life. Which somehow perfectly invalidate what is written in the coran, in buddhism or other religious books, but perfectly validates what is written in the Bible. Only the hard working, nice, just believer will survive and be chosen for "eternal life".
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Why the fuck can't people be happy with not knowing?
Thats a rather stupid and ignorant thing to do that paves the way for idolatry and superstition as well as stifles any progress.
Lets not know how germ theory works. Lets not know how to make vaccines. Lets not know how to understand the Bernoulli effect and how to invent airplanes. Lets not know how to do anything. Why can`t we just be happy not knowing.
Thats the dumbest thing I have ever read Calfzilla.
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What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm talking about assigning a description to something called "God" that would attribute characteristics that could only be described as "ungodly". It completely ignores meaning, which is a pointless way to communicate.
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Gotta give props to uberman. Despite being overwhelmed with caustic negativity, the dude can spin some shit out of nowhere.
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Happiness is linked to knowing because knowing is dominating controlling the environment, other life forms, wether they are vegetal or animal, which proves dominating underlies the feeling of happiness.
Knowing, controlling, dominating, means better odds of survival, means being happy. Being happy is linked to knowing that you have better odds of survival than others.
Many people are happy believing in systems of beliefs that "work" (ie insure their survival and the survival of the loved ones who reinforce by their alliance with them their own survival) simply because..it works. It produces and cover their daily need for gratifications, chemical receipes of hapiness in their brains that allow them to last one more day. Most people are happy because they follow daily routines that produce "well being" in their lives; they couldnt tell why or how they got there, the conditions were just ideal for them, as simple as that. Everything is just fine in their minds, everything has a meaning, an explanation, even what is unexplainable, which is reassuring. These beliefs also make them the good guys while giving a meaning to the ennemies, the bad ones. It justifies everything geographically, temporally and emotionally. Look at how nihilists end -vincent van gogh, nietschze, darwin etc, they all experiment with everything in life, atheism, nihilism, homosexuality, bisexuality etc; they all end crazy because the clear understanding of what is really "going on" actually drives anyone looking for a positive, pure, meaning of life to madness. Religions actually keep people away from madness and the will to destroy the absurd world, because if you re not part of the world, if you dont participate, build, insure its survival, you re actually fighting to destroy it, life is binary, you either build or destroy, if you re not building, you re destroying. And good luck finding out for sure if someone is actually trying to create, help, or destroy.
Anyone interested in understanding nihilism/ atheism and generally how we give a meaning to our lives should read eugene rose's work:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/nihilism.html
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tl;dr
nobody reads your ramblings, hope this helps.
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uberman is negative as hell, but he's one of the most intelligent guys on getbig. Everyone of his posts are worth reading.
He isn't my favorite poster here, but I wouldn't say I dislike him. I rarely agree with him, but that's fine.
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Happiness is linked to knowing because knowing is dominating controlling the environment, other life forms, wether they are vegetal or animal, which proves dominating underlies the feeling of happiness.
Knowing, controlling, dominating, means better odds of survival, means being happy. Being happy is linked to knowing that you have better odds of survival than others.
Many people are happy believing in systems of beliefs that "work" (ie insure their survival and the survival of the loved ones who reinforce by their alliance with them their own survival) simply because..it works. It produces and cover their daily need for gratifications, chemical receipes of hapiness in their brains that allow them to last one more day. Most people are happy because they follow daily routines that produce "well being" in their lives; they couldnt tell why or how they got there, the conditions were just ideal for them, as simple as that. Everything is just fine in their minds, everything has a meaning, an explanation, even what is unexplainable, which is reassuring. These beliefs also make them the good guys while giving a meaning to the ennemies, the bad ones. It justifies everything geographically, temporally and emotionally. Look at how nihilists end -vincent van gogh, nietschze, darwin etc, they all experiment with everything in life, atheism, nihilism, homosexuality, bisexuality etc; they all end crazy because the clear understanding of what is really "going on" actually drives anyone looking for a positive, pure, meaning of life to madness. Religions actually keep people away from madness and the will to destroy the absurd world, because if you re not part of the world, if you dont participate, build, insure its survival, you re actually fighting to destroy it, life is binary, you either build or destroy, if you re not building, you re destroying. And good luck finding out for sure if someone is actually trying to create, help, or destroy.
Anyone interested in understanding nihilism/ atheism and generally how we give a meaning to our lives should read eugene rose's work:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/nihilism.html
Uberman, you speak like a man that does not have faith.
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uberman thinks we have forgotten his nihilistic rants from only a few years ago. Now he's made himself over as a christian and wants us to buy it ::)
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I hope to meet uberman someday and smash a beer bottle in his face
LOL, ditto ;D
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Uberman, you speak like a man that does not have faith.
Im still not finished reading the Bible so obviously I d have a hard time saying i have "faith", and nowhere do i find humans or phenomenons that would allow me to find and hold it once and for all. Actually it's a work in progress. Sometimes I feel like I start to understand what faith is, just to find I lost it the second after. It is indeed, quite an effort that is required, just like when you want to build muscles -naturally-. Im currently exploring the opposite side of faith, the dark side of the coin. Most self proclaimed atheists (atheism being "in" nowadays it's pretty smart to tell everyone you re"in") claim religion and christianism are a bunch of bulshits created to control them , failing to realize it is the anchor for a stable and productive life that keeps regenerating itself while atheism lead most people to stop breeding after several generations of believing in it. The funny is that they re also scared by sheer, unalterated nihilism, which means they still hold christian values deep inside their minds. They pretend to be atheist yet "believe" in the seven days of the week, have christian names and so on. Be honnest ands push your reasoning to its most perfect nature; nihilis, then. Oh wait, nihilism causes one to want to end his life after a while. It means no more hamburgers, no more sex -or porn for most- no more tv, no more video games...no more hope for joy and happiness.
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Happiness is linked to knowing because knowing is dominating controlling the environment, other life forms, wether they are vegetal or animal, which proves dominating underlies the feeling of happiness.
Knowing, controlling, dominating, means better odds of survival, means being happy. Being happy is linked to knowing that you have better odds of survival than others.
Many people are happy believing in systems of beliefs that "work" (ie insure their survival and the survival of the loved ones who reinforce by their alliance with them their own survival) simply because..it works. It produces and cover their daily need for gratifications, chemical receipes of hapiness in their brains that allow them to last one more day. Most people are happy because they follow daily routines that produce "well being" in their lives; they couldnt tell why or how they got there, the conditions were just ideal for them, as simple as that. Everything is just fine in their minds, everything has a meaning, an explanation, even what is unexplainable, which is reassuring. These beliefs also make them the good guys while giving a meaning to the ennemies, the bad ones. It justifies everything geographically, temporally and emotionally. Look at how nihilists end -vincent van gogh, nietschze, darwin etc, they all experiment with everything in life, atheism, nihilism, homosexuality, bisexuality etc; they all end crazy because the clear understanding of what is really "going on" actually drives anyone looking for a positive, pure, meaning of life to madness. Religions actually keep people away from madness and the will to destroy the absurd world, because if you re not part of the world, if you dont participate, build, insure its survival, you re actually fighting to destroy it, life is binary, you either build or destroy, if you re not building, you re destroying. And good luck finding out for sure if someone is actually trying to create, help, or destroy.
Anyone interested in understanding nihilism/ atheism and generally how we give a meaning to our lives should read eugene rose's work:
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/nihilism.html
great post but nietzsche wasn't a nihilist, far from it
I hope to meet uberman someday and smash a beer bottle in his face
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great post but nietzsche wasn't a nihilist, far from it
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The most speaking picture of nietzsche, probably summing best the results of believing all life long into his own system of belief/ religion he created:
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Mental breakdown and death (1889–1900)
Photo by Hans Olde from the photographic series, The Ill Nietzsche, mid-1899.
The house Nietzsche stayed in while in Turin (background, right), as seen from across Piazza Carlo Alberto, where he is said to have had his breakdown. To the left is the rear façade of the Palazzo Carignano.
On January 3, 1889, Nietzsche suffered a mental collapse. Two policemen approached him after he caused a public disturbance in the streets of Turin. What happened remains unknown, but an often-repeated tale from shortly after his death states that Nietzsche witnessed the flogging of a horse at the other end of the Piazza Carlo Alberto, ran to the horse, threw his arms up around its neck to protect it, and then collapsed to the ground.[82][83]
In the following few days, Nietzsche sent short writings—known as the Wahnbriefe ("Madness Letters")—to a number of friends including Cosima Wagner and Jacob Burckhardt. Most of them were signed "Dionysos". To his former colleague Burckhardt, Nietzsche wrote: "I have had Caiaphas put in fetters. Also, last year I was crucified by the German doctors in a very drawn-out manner. Wilhelm, Bismarck, and all anti-Semites abolished." [84] Additionally, he commanded the German emperor to go to Rome to be shot and summoned the European powers to take military action against Germany.[85]
On January 6, 1889, Burckhardt showed the letter he had received from Nietzsche to Overbeck. The following day Overbeck received a similar letter and decided that Nietzsche's friends had to bring him back to Basel. Overbeck traveled to Turin and brought Nietzsche to a psychiatric clinic in Basel. By that time Nietzsche appeared fully in the grip of a serious mental illness, and his mother Franziska decided to transfer him to a clinic in Jena under the direction of Otto Binswanger. From November 1889 to February 1890, the art historian Julius Langbehn attempted to cure Nietzsche, claiming that the methods of the medical doctors were ineffective in treating Nietzsche's condition. Langbehn assumed progressively greater control of Nietzsche until his secretiveness discredited him. In March 1890, Franziska removed Nietzsche from the clinic and, in May 1890, brought him to her home in Naumburg. During this process Overbeck and Gast contemplated what to do with Nietzsche's unpublished works. In January 1889, they proceeded with the planned release of Twilight of the Idols, by that time already printed and bound. In February, they ordered a fifty-copy private edition of Nietzsche contra Wagner, but the publisher C. G. Naumann secretly printed one hundred. Overbeck and Gast decided to withhold publishing The Antichrist and Ecce Homo because of their more radical content. Nietzsche's reception and recognition enjoyed their first surge.
In 1893, Nietzsche's sister Elisabeth returned from Nueva Germania in Paraguay following the suicide of her husband. She read and studied Nietzsche's works and, piece by piece, took control of them and their publication. Overbeck eventually suffered dismissal and Gast finally co-operated. After the death of Franziska in 1897, Nietzsche lived in Weimar, where Elisabeth cared for him and allowed visitors, including Rudolf Steiner (who in 1895 had written one of the first books praising Nietzsche),[86][page needed] to meet her uncommunicative brother. Elisabeth at one point went so far as to employ Steiner as a tutor to help her to understand her brother's philosophy. Steiner abandoned the attempt after only a few months, declaring that it was impossible to teach her anything about philosophy.[87]
Peter Gast would "correct" Nietzsche's writings after the philosopher's breakdown and did so without his approval, an action severely criticized by modern scholars.[citation needed]
Nietzsche's mental illness was originally diagnosed as tertiary syphilis, in accordance with a prevailing medical paradigm of the time. Although most commentators regard his breakdown as unrelated to his philosophy, Georges Bataille dropped dark hints ("Man incarnate' must also go mad")[88] and René Girard's postmortem psychoanalysis posits a worshipful rivalry with Richard Wagner.[89] Neitzche had previously written, "all superior men who were irresistably drawn to throw off the yoke of any kind of morality and to frame new laws had, if they were not actually mad, no alternative but to make themselves or pretend to be mad" (Daybreak,14). The diagnosis of syphilis has since been challenged and a diagnosis of "manic-depressive illness with periodic psychosis followed by vascular dementia" was put forward by Cybulska prior to Schain's study [90][91] Leonard Sax, suggested the slow growth of a right-sided retro-orbital meningioma as an explanation of Nietzsche’s dementia,[92] while Orth and Trimble postulated frontotemporal dementia.[93] Other researchers[94] proposed a syndrome called CADASIL.
In 1898 and 1899, Nietzsche suffered at least two strokes which partially paralysed him and left him unable to speak or walk. After contracting pneumonia in mid-August 1900, he had another stroke during the night of August 24–25 and died about noon on August 25.[95] Elisabeth had him buried beside his father at the church in Röcken bei Lützen. His friend and secretary Gast gave his funeral oration, proclaiming: "Holy be your name to all future generations!"[96] Nietzsche had written in Ecce Homo (at that point still unpublished) of his fear that one day his name would be regarded as "holy".
Elisabeth Förster-Nietzsche compiled The Will to Power from Nietzsche's unpublished notebooks and published it posthumously. Because his sister arranged the book based on her own conflation of several of Nietzsche's early outlines and took great liberties with the material, the scholarly consensus has been that it does not reflect Nietzsche's intent. (For example, Elisabeth removed aphorism 35 of The Antichrist, where Nietzsche rewrote a passage of the Bible.) Indeed, Mazzino Montinari, the editor of Nietzsche's Nachlass, called it a forgery.[97]
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Im still not finished reading the Bible so obviously I d have a hard time saying i have "faith", and nowhere do i find humans or phenomenons that would allow me to find and hold it once and for all. Actually it's a work in progress. Sometimes I feel like I start to understand what faith is, just to find I lost it the second after. It is indeed, quite an effort that is required, just like when you want to build muscles -naturally-. Im currently exploring the opposite side of faith, the dark side of the coin. Most self proclaimed atheists (atheism being "in" nowadays it's pretty smart to tell everyone you re"in") claim religion and christianism are a bunch of bulshits created to control them , failing to realize it is the anchor for a stable and productive life that keeps regenerating itself while atheism lead most people to stop breeding after several generations of believing in it. The funny is that they re also scared by sheer, unalterated nihilism, which means they still hold christian values deep inside their minds. They pretend to be atheist yet "believe" in the seven days of the week, have christian names and so on. Be honnest ands push your reasoning to its most perfect nature; nihilis, then. Oh wait, nihilism causes one to want to end his life after a while. It means no more hamburgers, no more sex -or porn for most- no more tv, no more video games...no more hope for joy and happiness.
(http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/believe-those-who-are-seeking-the-truth-doubt-those-who-find-it-andre-gide.jpg)
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now thanks to requote it without the typos.
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Im still not finished reading the Bible so obviously I d have a hard time saying i have "faith", and nowhere do i find humans or phenomenons that would allow me to find and hold it once and for all. Actually it's a work in progress. Sometimes I feel like I start to understand what faith is, just to find I lost it the second after. It is indeed, quite an effort that is required, just like when you want to build muscles -naturally-. Im currently exploring the opposite side of faith, the dark side of the coin. Most self proclaimed atheists (atheism being "in" nowadays it's pretty smart to tell everyone you re"in") claim religion and christianism are a bunch of bulshits created to control them , failing to realize it is the anchor for a stable and productive life that keeps regenerating itself while atheism lead most people to stop breeding after several generations of believing in it. The funny is that they re also scared by sheer, unalterated nihilism, which means they still hold christian values deep inside their minds. They pretend to be atheist yet "believe" in the seven days of the week, have christian names and so on. Be honnest ands push your reasoning to its most perfect nature; nihilis then. Oh wait, nihilism causes one to want to end his life after a while. It means no more hamburgers, no more sex -or porn for most- nor more tv, no more video games...
You commented that existence is binary (and I agree). So how do fit your outlook onto a Good-Bad platform? I've seen you make racist statements, for instance, that would seem to condemn a person based upon the color of his or her skin.
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You commented that existence is binary (and I agree). So how do fit your outlook onto a Good-Bad platform? I've seen you make racist statements, for instance, that would seem to condemn a person based upon the color of his or her skin.
My lastest stance on this subject is that all humans are the same, want the same things. There are good and bad people from all skin colors. It just appears that there are more bad people in the black and arab/muslim race than in any other race. I used to say that not all black people are worthless, only 9 out of them and I still stand by this statement as it is a simple reality.
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My lastest stance on this subject is that all humans are the same, want the same things. There are good and bad people from all skin colors. It just appears that there are more bad people in the black and arab/muslim race than in any other race. I used to say that not all black people are worthless, only 9 out of tenm and I still stand by this statement as it is a simple reality.
Finally a post from you on which I can agree.
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Finally a post from you on which I can agree.
..that 9 of 10 Blacks are worthless, Prime? Is that what you mean to say?
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Okay, you win True Adonis. 8)
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He donates half his wealth (if that's the case) to seeing an explosion in population in the third world.
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He donates half his wealth (if that's the case) to seeing an explosion in population in the third world.
The opposite. The more educated and healthy and technologically advanced the society is, which is what he promotes, the birth rate in third world countries decline.
Do some research on birth rates and why they are so high among the poor and stupid.
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no point in 'evangelical' secularism. The best you can do is promote people from within religion who have a progressive bent. Nothing else is effective, i.e. if you are seeking to be effective rather than venting frustrations or appearing superior to other people.
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no point in 'evangelical' secularism. The best you can do is promote people from within religion who have a progressive bent. Nothing else is effective, i.e. if you are seeking to be effective rather than venting frustrations or appearing superior to other people.
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What's worse, the outspoken atheists or crazy Christians?
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What's worse, the outspoken atheists or crazy Christians?
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Neither. Both should have the right to freedom of speech. I can tell you who is the dumber of the two however.
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My lastest stance on this subject is that all humans are the same, want the same things. There are good and bad people from all skin colors. It just appears that there are more bad people in the black and arab/muslim race than in any other race. I used to say that not all black people are worthless, only 9 out of them and I still stand by this statement as it is a simple reality.
I appreciate the communication, uberman. My only comment toward you, would be a recommendation to compel yourself to look toward the Good that we agree exists in full force.
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Neither. Both should have the right to freedom of speech. I can tell you who is the dumber of the two however.
I'm going to rank in order of annoyance:
1. All Muslims
2. Crazy Christian Extremists tied with Outspoken Atheists
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great, expect that psycho a_ahmed to join this thread in 3....2.....1.....
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Adonis. Will we take lessons in morality from Arthur C. Clarke?
Don't pretend that you didn't see this question, either. Answer it.
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if you claim to be a humanist, you need to be sensitive to people's belief systems. You can't bulldoze the foundations of religion and expect a heartwarming invitation. You may also in the process try to reevaluate your incorrect assumptions about religion.
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I'm going to rank in order of annoyance:
1. All Muslims
2. Crazy Christian Extremists tied with Outspoken Atheists
Really? Islam is a much more sophisticated religion than you are giving it credit for. Pick up a neutral history book once in a while, instead of trying to reinforce what you already believe ;)
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Really? Islam is a much more sophisticated religion than you are giving it credit for. Pick up a neutral history book once in a while, instead of trying to reinforce what you already believe ;)
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THE VIOLENT OPPRESSION OF WOMEN IN ISLAM. Preparations for stoning a woman to death, likely for being accused (not found guilty of) adultery. If a woman reports a rape, she must have 4 male witnesses to attest to her story. If not, she is considered to have had casual sex with a man who is not her husband, and is therefore subject to punishment. This can range from lashes to stoning.
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People keep saying atheists are annoying. Really?
When I walk through the NYC subway systems, its the religious people preaching god. When I hear my doorbell ring, its sometimes Jehova witnesses trying to convert me. In fact, I was on the bus, and some lady started to preach God and hand out mini bibles. This has happened quite a few times. I have never seen an atheist hand out books on atheism.
When was the last time an atheist was rambling on about atheism in a subway or on a major street corner? When was the last time an atheist knocked on your door and tried to convert you to atheism? When was the last time you walked down the street and an atheist tried to convert you?
The only time atheists really show up is when conservatives try to mix religion and politics. That is when they make the news, and are in the spotlights
Other than that, you rarely ever see or hear atheists preaching out in the open. Sure there are podcasts and webpages dedicated to atheism (which there are probably many more for the religious), but in terms of throwing it in your face, i.e., preaching on the street or coming to your front door, leave that to the religious people
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What a whore.
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THE VIOLENT OPPRESSION OF WOMEN IN ISLAM. Preparations for stoning a woman to death, likely for being accused (not found guilty of) adultery. If a woman reports a rape, she must have 4 male witnesses to attest to her story. If not, she is considered to have had casual sex with a man who is not her husband, and is therefore subject to punishment. This can range from lashes to stoning.
instantly jumping to the negative as if that is what is representative of the core of all religions ::) Very rarely do you find such public punishments taking place like this in muslim countries.
Regarding the bold, there is a protection in that for the accused too. Without proof how can anyone be accused of rape? It's a hallmark of our own justice system that you are innocent until proven guilty.
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instantly jumping to the negative as if that is what is representative of the core of all religions ::) Very rarely do you find such public punishments taking place like this in muslim countries.
Regarding the bold, there is a protection in that for the accused too. Without proof how can anyone be accused of rape? It's a hallmark of our own justice system that you are innocent until proven guilty.
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Really? Islam is a much more sophisticated religion than you are giving it credit for. Pick up a neutral history book once in a while, instead of trying to reinforce what you already believe ;)
MUSLIMS not ISLAM
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instantly jumping to the negative as if that is what is representative of the core of all religions ::) Very rarely do you find such public punishments taking place like this in muslim countries.
Regarding the bold, there is a protection in that for the accused too. Without proof how can anyone be accused of rape? It's a hallmark of our own justice system that you are innocent until proven guilty.
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I wonder what a human barbecue smells like...
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This guy looks like a huge fag.
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What a whore.
ROFL X100000000000000 ;D
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This girl looks slightly retarded but I'd still fuck her.
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I wonder what a human barbecue smells like...
...the worst thing, ever.
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Hulkster I'm calling for a truce
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This guy looks like a huge fag.
Sam Harris , very bright guy he IS smarter than most people
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...the worst thing, ever.
How can you be so sure ???
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Hahhaha, I just spit homemade salsa on my screen. Great pic! :D
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Sam Harris , very bright guy he IS smarter than most people
I doubt sexual preference and intelligence would be correlated.
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Hahhaha, I just spit homemade salsa on my screen. Great pic! :D
Uh, yeah. Won't swear to it, but that may have been staged.
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How can you be so sure ???
You'll have to trust me on that one.
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That is one hot ex-muslim. Corn.
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John Quincy Adams who wrote in 1829:
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force".
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Religion getting battered in this thread. 8)
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This is my basic belief system right here. Just be a good person and let everything take care of itself.
“Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.”
― Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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MUSLIMS not ISLAM
What's your point? Have you even been to a muslim country? Many many muslims are much smarter, more educated and more civilized than you are.
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Adonis's typical response is to deluge the thread with fucking internet memes. FFS ::)
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What's your point? Have you even been to a muslim country? Many many muslims are much smarter, more educated and more civilized than you are.
I've been to Muslim countries, they are 95% rancid shitholes.
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Adonis's typical response is to deluge the thread with fucking internet memes. FFS ::)
What meme is this? ???
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I've been to Muslim countries, they are 95% rancid shitholes.
As if its a homogenous bunch ::)
What meme is this? ???
I'm not gonna watch that sick shit. You're using moronic 'debate' tactics, and you're every bit as dogmatic as those 'on the other side'.
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As if its a homogenous bunch ::)
I'm not gonna watch that sick shit. You're using moronic 'debate' tactics, and you're every bit as dogmatic as those 'on the other side'.
Sure, bury your head in the sand like all of you do. Not even willing to face the disgusting truth.
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What a whore.
ROFL!
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As if its a homogenous bunch ::)
The architecture looked the same to me.
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Sam Harris , very bright guy he IS smarter than most people
Watch this fool get destroyed here:
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You cannot argue TA's passion for this subject. I love the quotes that he is finding. Funny how they come from some of the most important, influential people in history. Some of our founding fathers didn't even believe in "in god we trust". They understood mob control perfectly.
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And now, for a very short bit of levity:
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And now, for a very short bit of levity:
Yes! Vidal Owning minds as he always did. He absolutely destroyed Buckley.
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And now, for a very short bit of levity:
There's a better res video on youtube. A legendary moment in television. Buckley was lying, he didn't fight in WW2.
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Yes! Vidal Owning minds as he always did. He absolutely destroyed Buckley.
You can see in Vidal's face, as Buckley is erupting, that Vidal would have been a Getbigger, for sure.
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There's a better res video on youtube. A legendary moment in television. Buckley was lying, he didn't fight in WW2.
Oh, man. I've been watching every one of these guys' tapes. I'll look for that one.
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Awesome thread. Where are the hard hitting believers? Atheists are whooping that ass right now.
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Oh, man. I've been watching every one of these guys' tapes. I'll look for that one.
It's in the video you posted near the end: "I fought in the infantry in the last war". LOL
And his faux-RP accent was ridiculous too.
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Is booty a atheist she seems smart.
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It's on the video you posted near the end: "I fought in the infantry in the last war". LOL
And his faux-RP accent was ridiculous too.
Yeah, I caught that. Was looking for the higher-resolution copy, and found it.
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...I love these guys. Too bad this stuff hasn't carried on with others into the present.
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There are geniuses on both sides of the coin. Which is why it will always be a spectacular debate. I am a free thinker, therefore I do not subscribe to religions aimed at putting me into a box.
To give a man a brain, god must have been playing a cruel joke. Shizzo 2013
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There are geniuses on both sides of the coin. Which is why it will always be a spectacular debate. I am a free thinker, therefore I do not subscribe to religions aimed at putting me into a box.
To give a man a brain, god must have been playing a cruel joke. Shizzo 2013
Wrong.
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10/10 trolling
Yes we all must do this to keep up traffic on Ron's site.
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Wrong.
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Oh I disagree there my friend. Sometimes beliefs overshadow everything else. I respect smart, devout, religious people. They have every right to believe in something that no human can prove false.
As you can see I am completely neutral on this amazing topic. The most important debate in life. I am free to think of my own theories. That is the beauty of it all.
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Hey Shizzo, I made this one for you to print out in your Break Room.
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Hey Shizzo, I made this one for you to print out in your Break Room.
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Hahahahhahahahaha!!!!!!! This is why you are in my top 5 all time (number 2)
Fucking solid.
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It's in the video you posted near the end: "I fought in the infantry in the last war". LOL
And his faux-RP accent was ridiculous too.
So looking at more videos that extend past the first, I see Vidal didn't pursue it further than to say "you're distorting your own military record", and going on to say something that sounds like "and probably...(something I can't make out, but wish I could)".
Great stuff. People must have loved watching these guys go at it.
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So looking at more videos that extend past the first, I see Vidal didn't pursue it further than to say "you're distorting your own military record", and going on to say something that sounds like "and probably...(something I can't make out, but wish I could)".
Great stuff. People must have loved watching these guys go at it.
It continued for a long time actually and Vidal even got to write a nice Buckley obituary. :D
Gore Vidal Speaks Seriously Ill of the Dead
Posted on Mar 20, 2008
Gore Vidal
Truthdig / Zuade Kaufman
By Gore Vidal
I can recall that day in the 1930s when a “news” (sic) magazine appeared in Washington, D.C.; it was called Newsweek: meant to be a counterbalance to Time Magazine’s uncontrollable malice. In due course the two became sadly alike as Vincent Astor morphed into Henry Luce: Was it something in the water? I once asked Henry Luce why he called Time a news magazine when it was simply Uncle Harry’s means of venting his rage (this was 1960 or so) at liberals, and “degenerate art” like the plays of Tennessee Williams—he had no answer. At Newsweek Vincent Astor was far too stupid to answer any such complaint. Now here we are in the Newsweek of 2008, and it’s still lousy. There have been a few decent writers in between that were less nutty than today’s Newsweek hacks.
But why is Newsweek currently lousy? Here’s an example provided by an editor who keeps a sharp eye on their crimes. He sent me their recent obituary of William F. Buckley, a hero to those who feared democracies.
Buckley bridled at bullies [we are assured]. But one of the rare times he lost his temper was debating Gore Vidal, who “got under his skin,” says son Chris. When Vidal called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi,” Buckley responded, “Now listen, you queer, you stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.” But usually his public manners were genteel [I think they mean gentile]. With “Firing Line” guests who seemed nervous or over their heads, Buckley was gentle. Behind the scenes, he could show remarkable kindness. In 1980, a rising conservative star, Congressman Bob Bauman, was soliciting a 16-year-old [male] for oral sex. Bauman had been a gay-basher, and he instantly became a pariah. The next day, knowing what lay ahead for the disgraced congressman, Buckley quietly gave him an envelope containing $10,000. “He was a knightly man,” says Chris.
Unknown to them and everyone else who might read that publication, my views on many matters do not conform to the tired hacks who’ve taken over Newsweek, a magazine that has convinced itself that Bobby Kennedy Sr. was a great liberal. They love throwing about misunderstood terms like liberal and conservative that seldom suit their superficial, not to mention malicious, standards. Recently, their words of mourning for the fallen “genteel” paladin were incredible. As my editor friend knew that I seldom read the wilder attacks on me, he deconstructs Newsweek’s obituary of Buckley:
Parenthetically, I should note that, back in 1968, ABC TV had asked me and Buckley to “debate” each other at the Democratic and Republican conventions. Although Buckley was often drunk and out of control, he was always a spontaneous liar on any subject that his dizzy brain might extrude. When we were in Chicago during the Republican convention, the Chicago police decided it would be fun to attack the young co-ed demonstrators in Grant Park, not far from our studio. It was one of the worst displays of police brutality I’ve ever seen, and so I said on air; he liked what the police had done; in no time, the whole country was as shocked as I, but not Buckley. On air he was hissing like a cobra against the young people in Grant Park because, he said, they were egging on the Viet Cong to kill American Marines. They were not, of course. Buckley was a world-class American liar on the far right who would tell any lie he thought he could get away with. Years of ass-kissing famous people in the press and elsewhere had given him, he felt, a sort of license to libelously slander those hated liberals who, from time to time, smoked him out as I did in Chicago, when I defended the young people in Grant Park by denying that they were Nazis and that the only “pro- or crypto-Nazi” I could think of was himself. He sued me and got nowhere. He sued Esquire, in which our words appeared. By then the coming right-wing surge was in view. And so Esquire cravenly agreed to settle with him for a few paragraphs worth of free advertising for his weird little magazine The National Review, hardly the great victory he claimed.
Now, to Newsweek’s obituary of this late dishonorable American in which my editor-friend assures me that his brain-dead son Christopher had a hand: “Buckley bridled at bullies.” And who was the bully in context? Myself. He was also an expert at changing indefensible contexts. Buckley maintained that I supported revolutionaries who favored murdering U.S. Marines. Yet all the talk of Nazis etc. was started by Buckley. There was no lie he would not tell to get back at those who defeated him in debate.
The current editors at Newsweek appear to have listened eagerly to his son Christopher, who is guiding them to a benign view of what had been a most hysterical queen (WFB), much admired by a media that takes everyone at his own evaluation of himself as they did with Capote, who told them that he was a great writer like Proust (pronounced Prowst) and the hacks ate it up.
The correct assessment of any reputation today is so far from plausible reality that it might be a good thing if the hacks of a magazine like Newsweek steered clear of characterizing those disliked by the advertisers; hence his creepy son’s depiction of me as a “bully” when I was simply attending to one, and then—o, joy!—Buckley called me a “queer” and actually threatened me with physical violence, so great was his testosterone level. Next, the loyal son, suspecting that the pejorative use of “queer” is politically incorrect in mag-land, Christopher rambles into a story about his father’s kindness to a Mr. Bauman who had lost his seat in Congress after the congressman had been caught while soliciting Oral Sex from a 16-year-old male (note how prurient Newsweek’s prose is, in describing undesirable people). Chris weeps into his computer as he describes how Dad gave the poor sinner of the flesh an envelope containing $10,000 (I bet?) in cash adding, mysteriously, “He was a knightly man”: Who was—the guy recipient of Buckley’s charity? Or his admirer, Mr. Buckley himself?—Bauman was very right wing, it is said. RIP WFB—in hell.
The unique mess that our republic is in can be, in part, attributed to a corrupt press whose roots are in mendacious news (sic) magazines like Time and Newsweek, aided by tabloids that manufacture fictional stories about actual people. This mingling of opinion and fiction has undone a media never devoted to truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican smear-machine goes into action when they realize that yet again the party’s permanent unpopularity with the American people will cause them defeat unless they smear individually those who question the junk that the media has put into so many heads. Anyone who says “We gotta fight ‘em over there or we’re gonna have to fight ‘em over here.” This absurdity has been pronounced by every Republican seeking high office. The habit of lying is now a national style that started with “news” magazines that was further developed by pathological liars that proved to be “good” Entertainment on TV. But a diet of poison that has done none of us any good.
I speak ex cathedra now, ad urbe et orbe, with a warning that no society so marinated in falsity can long survive in a real world.
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So looking at more videos that extend past the first, I see Vidal didn't pursue it further than to say "you're distorting your own military record", and going on to say something that sounds like "and probably...(something I can't make out, but wish I could)".
Great stuff. People must have loved watching these guys go at it.
I feel the same way about Getbig. Loads of smart people here. I love watching a good show, and Getbig always delivers.
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It continued for a long time actually and Vidal even got to write a nice Buckley obituary. :D
Gore Vidal Speaks Seriously Ill of the Dead
Posted on Mar 20, 2008
Gore Vidal
Truthdig / Zuade Kaufman
By Gore Vidal
I can recall that day in the 1930s when a “news” (sic) magazine appeared in Washington, D.C.; it was called Newsweek: meant to be a counterbalance to Time Magazine’s uncontrollable malice. In due course the two became sadly alike as Vincent Astor morphed into Henry Luce: Was it something in the water? I once asked Henry Luce why he called Time a news magazine when it was simply Uncle Harry’s means of venting his rage (this was 1960 or so) at liberals, and “degenerate art” like the plays of Tennessee Williams—he had no answer. At Newsweek Vincent Astor was far too stupid to answer any such complaint. Now here we are in the Newsweek of 2008, and it’s still lousy. There have been a few decent writers in between that were less nutty than today’s Newsweek hacks.
But why is Newsweek currently lousy? Here’s an example provided by an editor who keeps a sharp eye on their crimes. He sent me their recent obituary of William F. Buckley, a hero to those who feared democracies.
Buckley bridled at bullies [we are assured]. But one of the rare times he lost his temper was debating Gore Vidal, who “got under his skin,” says son Chris. When Vidal called Buckley a “crypto-Nazi,” Buckley responded, “Now listen, you queer, you stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in your goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered.” But usually his public manners were genteel [I think they mean gentile]. With “Firing Line” guests who seemed nervous or over their heads, Buckley was gentle. Behind the scenes, he could show remarkable kindness. In 1980, a rising conservative star, Congressman Bob Bauman, was soliciting a 16-year-old [male] for oral sex. Bauman had been a gay-basher, and he instantly became a pariah. The next day, knowing what lay ahead for the disgraced congressman, Buckley quietly gave him an envelope containing $10,000. “He was a knightly man,” says Chris.
Unknown to them and everyone else who might read that publication, my views on many matters do not conform to the tired hacks who’ve taken over Newsweek, a magazine that has convinced itself that Bobby Kennedy Sr. was a great liberal. They love throwing about misunderstood terms like liberal and conservative that seldom suit their superficial, not to mention malicious, standards. Recently, their words of mourning for the fallen “genteel” paladin were incredible. As my editor friend knew that I seldom read the wilder attacks on me, he deconstructs Newsweek’s obituary of Buckley:
Parenthetically, I should note that, back in 1968, ABC TV had asked me and Buckley to “debate” each other at the Democratic and Republican conventions. Although Buckley was often drunk and out of control, he was always a spontaneous liar on any subject that his dizzy brain might extrude. When we were in Chicago during the Republican convention, the Chicago police decided it would be fun to attack the young co-ed demonstrators in Grant Park, not far from our studio. It was one of the worst displays of police brutality I’ve ever seen, and so I said on air; he liked what the police had done; in no time, the whole country was as shocked as I, but not Buckley. On air he was hissing like a cobra against the young people in Grant Park because, he said, they were egging on the Viet Cong to kill American Marines. They were not, of course. Buckley was a world-class American liar on the far right who would tell any lie he thought he could get away with. Years of ass-kissing famous people in the press and elsewhere had given him, he felt, a sort of license to libelously slander those hated liberals who, from time to time, smoked him out as I did in Chicago, when I defended the young people in Grant Park by denying that they were Nazis and that the only “pro- or crypto-Nazi” I could think of was himself. He sued me and got nowhere. He sued Esquire, in which our words appeared. By then the coming right-wing surge was in view. And so Esquire cravenly agreed to settle with him for a few paragraphs worth of free advertising for his weird little magazine The National Review, hardly the great victory he claimed.
Now, to Newsweek’s obituary of this late dishonorable American in which my editor-friend assures me that his brain-dead son Christopher had a hand: “Buckley bridled at bullies.” And who was the bully in context? Myself. He was also an expert at changing indefensible contexts. Buckley maintained that I supported revolutionaries who favored murdering U.S. Marines. Yet all the talk of Nazis etc. was started by Buckley. There was no lie he would not tell to get back at those who defeated him in debate.
The current editors at Newsweek appear to have listened eagerly to his son Christopher, who is guiding them to a benign view of what had been a most hysterical queen (WFB), much admired by a media that takes everyone at his own evaluation of himself as they did with Capote, who told them that he was a great writer like Proust (pronounced Prowst) and the hacks ate it up.
The correct assessment of any reputation today is so far from plausible reality that it might be a good thing if the hacks of a magazine like Newsweek steered clear of characterizing those disliked by the advertisers; hence his creepy son’s depiction of me as a “bully” when I was simply attending to one, and then—o, joy!—Buckley called me a “queer” and actually threatened me with physical violence, so great was his testosterone level. Next, the loyal son, suspecting that the pejorative use of “queer” is politically incorrect in mag-land, Christopher rambles into a story about his father’s kindness to a Mr. Bauman who had lost his seat in Congress after the congressman had been caught while soliciting Oral Sex from a 16-year-old male (note how prurient Newsweek’s prose is, in describing undesirable people). Chris weeps into his computer as he describes how Dad gave the poor sinner of the flesh an envelope containing $10,000 (I bet?) in cash adding, mysteriously, “He was a knightly man”: Who was—the guy recipient of Buckley’s charity? Or his admirer, Mr. Buckley himself?—Bauman was very right wing, it is said. RIP WFB—in hell.
The unique mess that our republic is in can be, in part, attributed to a corrupt press whose roots are in mendacious news (sic) magazines like Time and Newsweek, aided by tabloids that manufacture fictional stories about actual people. This mingling of opinion and fiction has undone a media never devoted to truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican smear-machine goes into action when they realize that yet again the party’s permanent unpopularity with the American people will cause them defeat unless they smear individually those who question the junk that the media has put into so many heads. Anyone who says “We gotta fight ‘em over there or we’re gonna have to fight ‘em over here.” This absurdity has been pronounced by every Republican seeking high office. The habit of lying is now a national style that started with “news” magazines that was further developed by pathological liars that proved to be “good” Entertainment on TV. But a diet of poison that has done none of us any good.
I speak ex cathedra now, ad urbe et orbe, with a warning that no society so marinated in falsity can long survive in a real world.
Holy shit. Man, where to begin? But to be fair, I think Buckley's people were a bit more kind upon Vidal's passing. (hysterical queen?! l-o-l!!! It's fucking great. Where are the Gore Vidals, today?)
From a current perspective, it's almost impossible to believe this person was given a national stage. Can you even begin to imagine a well-heard voice like this, now? The idea that there's been a purposeful dumbing-down, cannot be denied.
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Holy shit. Man, where to begin? But to be fair, I think Buckley's people were a bit more kind upon Vidal's passing. (hysterical queen?! l-o-l!!! It's fucking great. Where are the Gore Vidals, today?)
From a current perspective, it's almost impossible to believe this person was given a national stage. Can you even begin to imagine a well-heard voice like this, now? The idea that there's been a purposeful dumbing-down, cannot be denied.
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Too bad what happened to Christopher. Vidal anointed him as his heir.
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Too bad what happened to Christopher. Vidal anointed him as his heir.
Hitchens' wit , intellect and charm are definitely missed. He was one of a kind
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I feel the same way about Getbig. Loads of smart people here. I love watching a good show, and Getbig always delivers.
x2, bro. No doubt about it.
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Thanks for that, Adonis. I hadn't read much Vidal before now. But consider me on the case. :)
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Thanks for that, Adonis. I hadn't read much Vidal before now. But consider me on the case. :)
Start with Burr and work your way up through his American Chronicles.
His Book, Lincoln is exceptional. Also, check out Kalki and Live at Golgotha. Anything really. But make sure you read Burr and Lincoln. 1876 is really good as well.
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I recall seeing a copy of some show, that Hitchens was apparently hosting, where he was interviewing a bodybuilder and trying to get under the dude's skin, but the guy seemed completely unaffected by it. Does anyone remember anything about this?
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Thanks for that, Adonis. I hadn't read much Vidal before now. But consider me on the case. :)
Here you go.
Here is Gore Vidal PWNING Norman Mailer. Brutal.
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Hahahahaha...something just made me think of a bit I must've seen somewhere, where Vidal tells Buckley something to the effect that, he's like the Marie Antoinette of journalism, imposing his neuroses on anyone dumb enough to read it. Hahaha
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Hahahahaha...something just made me think of a bit I must've seen somewhere, where Vidal tells Buckley something to the effect that, he's like the Marie Antoinette of journalism, imposing his neuroses on anyone dumb enough to read it. Hahaha
Careful Mr. Cross, the gimmick is becoming obvious to some.
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Here you go.
Here is Gore Vidal PWNING Norman Mailer. Brutal.
I wish Cavett had let these guys go at it. He missed a perfect opportunity for great TV, right there.
But, shit. It's like looking into a different world. What in the hell has happened to our society, that we've now become so fucked and dull?
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Careful Mr. Cross, the gimmick is becoming obvious to some.
Did you relate those comments to yourself, somehow? ::)
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I wish Cavett had let these guys go at it. He missed a perfect opportunity for great TV, right there.
But, shit. It's like looking into a different world. What in the hell has happened to our society, that we've now become so fucked and dull?
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Hahaha, Adonis. You'll love this. I was checking out an old piece from the New York Times:
"Representative Wharton points with pride to his Congressional record in the last two years, voting to hold down minimum wages, housing subsidies, public works, aid to education and depressed areas.
Mr. Vidal says he is for more of all those things..."
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Hahaha, Adonis. You'll love this. I was checking out an old piece from the New York Times:
"Representative Wharton points with pride to his Congressional record in the last two years, voting to hold down minimum wages, housing subsidies, public works, aid to education and depressed areas.
Mr. Vidal says he is for more of all those things..."
BTW, Adonis, I meant to add: :P
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Salvation:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=492578.0
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BTW, Adonis, I meant to add: :P
;D
???
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-gumbel/whose-america-now-not-gor_b_139843.html
When I asked him about Barack Obama, with his formidable rhetoric and cool temperament, he gave me a look of pure contempt and uttered perhaps the most reactionary single comment of this election season.
"Slaves have a hard time making poetry," he said, relishing the shock factor, "unless it's got a beat."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andrew-gumbel/whose-america-now-not-gor_b_139843.html
When I asked him about Barack Obama, with his formidable rhetoric and cool temperament, he gave me a look of pure contempt and uttered perhaps the most reactionary single comment of this election season.
"Slaves have a hard time making poetry," he said, relishing the shock factor, "unless it's got a beat."
Interesting. What do you make of that comment?
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When it comes to intellect atheists do make up the majority of the upper echelon.
There's nothing wrong or taken away by acknowledging this either.
Also doesn't mean non-atheists are not intelligent.
Many atheists have devoted to their lives to education, sciences, politics, art, literature, etc.....there's no mystery here.
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When it comes to intellect atheists do make up the majority of the upper echelon.
There's nothing wrong or taken away by acknowledging this either.
Also doesn't mean non-atheists are not intelligent.
Many atheists have devoted to their lives to education, sciences, politics, art, literature, etc.....there's no mystery here.
Another fantastic reply. You are the christian OMR.
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Atheists think they are smarter because they are. Hope this helps.
Not relying on imaginary friends in life helps quite a bit.
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Atheists think they are smarter because they are. Hope this helps.
Not relying on imaginary friends in life helps quite a bit.
But does it really?
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Atheists think they are smarter because they are. Hope this helps.
Not relying on imaginary friends in life helps quite a bit.
Agreed
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You really don't want me to have my way with this thread.
I beat down atheists for breakfast.
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You really don't want me to have my way with this thread.
I beat down atheists for breakfast.
Sure you do mental lightweight. Sure you do. :D
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Sure you do mental lightweight. Sure you do. :D
You forget our last encounter, atheist. By the end of it you were sounding like a preacher begging for mercy.
As usual you had to tuck tail and run.
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Lizards are smart.
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You forget our last encounter, atheist. By the end of it you were sounding like a preacher begging for mercy.
As usual you had to tuck tail and run.
Please link that here. I do not recall this happening ever.
You are a moron. Hope this helps.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=492669.msg7015347#msg7015347
I find it amusing to point how perpetually stupid the religious are and how they contribute absolutely nothing to society because of their religion. Religion still has a large stranglehold on society and culture, particularly in the Middle East. No good comes from any religion.
Such an absolute statement is a mark of intelligence. Surety reminiscent of a Hebrew street preacher or Wahabi Imam.
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Please link that here. I do not recall this happening ever.
You are a moron. Hope this helps.
You're a fat natural. You give us naturals a bad name. By now I hope you understand that it's important to stay relatively lean year around.
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"No good comes from any religion. " - The True Adonis
Such a retarded statement. So obviously wrong.
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http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=492669.msg7015347#msg7015347
You are aware that this is a self owning on your part. :D
Complete moron as I stated earlier. ;)
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"No good comes from any religion. " - The True Adonis
Such a retarded statement. So obviously wrong.
Well what's good to one is or can be evil to someone else so...
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You are aware that this is a self owning on your part. :D
Complete moron as I stated earlier. ;)
YOU would believe it's a self-owning because you're enough of a simpleton to make assumptions which are not true.
You're an intellectual lightweight like most Dawkins parroting retards.
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YOU would believe it's a self-owning because you're enough of a simpleton to make assumptions which are not true.
You're an intellectual lightweight, like most Dawkins parroting retards.
hahahhaah
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YOU would believe it's a self-owning because you're enough of a simpleton to make assumptions which are not true.
You're an intellectual lightweight like most Dawkins parroting retards.
I cant wait until Shizzo gets back.
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hahahhaah
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Like I said, you're simpleton and thus stupid enough to make such assumptions. I bet if I criticize Obama you would think I'm a Republican or teabagger. Your retarded dualistic mind operates that way. You can see the same dualistic thought process with Abrahamic religions and their concept of good vs evil in that statement you made about no good coming from any religion. You have more in common with these people than you care to realize.
You're a moron of the worst kind because you actually believe you are enlightened.
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Like I said, you're simpleton and thus stupid enough to make such assumptions. I bet if I criticize Obama you would think I'm a Republican or teabagger. Your retarded dualistic mind operates that way. You can see the same dualistic thought process with Abrahamic religions and their concept of good vs evil in that statement you made about no good coming from any religion. You have more uncommon with these people,than you care to realize.
You're a moron of the worst kind because you actually believe you are enlightened.
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I have criticized Obama many times. So what does that mean? :D
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I have criticized Obama many times. So what does that mean? :D
That Healthcare website is working well.
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I have criticized Obama many times. So what does that mean? :D
It means you criticized Obama many times. You want a cookie?
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In case this moron Adam still doesn't get it: I don't believe in any god(s).
Such a simpleton Adam is with his assumptions.
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That Healthcare website is working well.
We should have gone Single Payer, like the rest of the civilized world.
With that said, the website just outlines the huge demand for needing and getting coverage. It will be an improvement for everyone overall as it is slowly releasing the death grip that insurance companies have had on the public as our system is founded upon making money off of human suffering and misery and not on actual treatment. Its not enough as far as I am concerned but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
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We should have gone Single Payer, like the rest of the civilized world.
With that said, the website just outlines the huge demand for needing and getting coverage. It will be an improvement for everyone overall as it is slowly releasing the death grip that insurance companies have had on the public as our system is founded upon making money off of human suffering and misery and not on actual treatment. Its not enough as far as I am concerned but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
if the right direction is ending like france, spain, italy or portugal well i have bad news for you.
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if the right direction is ending like france, spain, italy or portugal well i have bad news for you.
Australia is a better example.
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It means you criticized Obama many times. You want a cookie?
By your logic you must think I view myself as someone who hangs Tea-Bags from a Tricorne and demands that I see birth certificates because I have criticized Obama. So much for your well thought out response. :D
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"No good comes from any religion. " - The True Adonis
Such a retarded statement. So obviously wrong.
Actually it is not retarded and wrong at all. Why so many religions if there is only one God?
I look at religions as a big corporations, business&power driven ventures. Look at Vatican, the most powerful corporation on the face of earth.
Religion is one thing, spirituality completely different. Connect to higher power, God or whatever you call it directly without middleman (religion). Meditation, stillness, absence of thoughts is the best way to do that.
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This is always what I see when I see an atheist who thinks he knows it all:
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By your logic you must think I view myself as someone who hangs Tea-Bags from a Tricorne and demands that I see birth certificates because I have criticized Obama. So much for your well thought out response. :D
Nope. Maybe try again tho? This time use your brain.
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We should have gone Single Payer, like the rest of the civilized world.
With that said, the website just outlines the huge demand for needing and getting coverage. It will be an improvement for everyone overall as it is slowly releasing the death grip that insurance companies have had on the public as our system is founded upon making money off of human suffering and misery and not on actual treatment. Its not enough as far as I am concerned but it is definitely a step in the right direction.
I agree that single payer healthcare insurance would be the best solution for the majority of folks, but it is a huge departure from what those of us who have the "Cadillac" healthcare insurance plans either through our employers or because, like me, they purchase them on their own. My and my wife's insurance is a supplemental to Medicare. It covers most of what Medicare does not. Medicare is the closest thing the U.S. currently has to a single payer type of health insurance coverage.
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they dont, they just know they have more common sense.
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This is always what I see when I see an atheist who thinks he knows it all:
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Atheism is not a religion.
And it has nothing to do with being smarter. Excuse us for not believing in a man in the sky with a white beard, who is constantly watching my every move, and will send me to either a magical or fire-ridden existence after I die.
This is not even about being smarter lol. Its about common sense. Who in their right mind can believe such nonsensical fairy tales? lol. I mean, gimme a break. You religious people talk about belief as if it makes so much SUCH, and are perplexed by the fact that someone may just choose not to believe in such fairy tales. Like I said, it has nothing to do with being smarter or having a higher IQ.
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X2^
this should go without even saying
how inf can ppl be so small minded! ???
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Atheism is not a religion.
And it has nothing to do with being smarter. Excuse us for not believing in a man in the sky with a white beard, who is constantly watching my every move, and will send me to either a magical or fire-ridden existence after I die.
This is not even about being smarter lol. Its about common sense. Who in their right mind can believe such nonsensical fairy tales? lol. I mean, gimme a break. You religious people talk about belief as if it makes so much SUCH, and are perplexed by the fact that someone may just choose not to believe in such fairy tales. Like I said, it has nothing to do with being smarter or having a higher IQ.
atheism is a system of belief made of various beliefs picked up randomly in all past belief systems and stuck together blindly and subconsciously, and in which individuals are their own gods. You have to follow the same beliefs, customs, to fit in with them obviously or they ignore/reject/mock you.
Actually i know more atheists who disrespect religious people than religious people who disrespect atheists.
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Because they are narcissist in their thinking because in their head they can explain everything. Most atheist couldn't figure out how to make a can opener but they feel they are smart enough to figure out life and the universe. They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
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Because they are narcissist in their thinking because in their head they can explain everything. Most atheist couldn't figure out how to make a can opener but they feel they are smart enough to figure out life and the universe. They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
so true
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Atheists think they are smarter because they are. Hope this helps.
Not relying on imaginary friends in life helps quite a bit.
Hahahahaha...good one!
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What I've noticed when dealing with a lot of atheists is they tend to put a lot of faith in science while simultaneously being totally obviously as to its limitations and any true understanding of real science. Sounds familiar, right?
You'll usually find them attempting to regurgitate their laymans understanding of last years popscience NY Times best seller that they didn't even bother to read - but rather just googled for cliffs in an attempt to look like a pseudo intellectual e.g. The True Adonis.
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They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
it's a subconscious reflex, embedded in their brains because most of our ancestors strongly believed in God/ a perfect man/model they should all try to ressemble. So much that it got engraved in our brains and is transmitted thru genes. It's not even conscious, it's like saying "my god" .
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Because they are narcissist in their thinking because in their head they can explain everything. Most atheist couldn't figure out how to make a can opener but they feel they are smart enough to figure out life and the universe. They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
they only even know about this concept of god because the TV told them about it.
cavemen didn't creed any bullshit about god or jesus before they died. blah blah blah!
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They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
Because they are maybe scared and desperate, a normal human reaction. Emotional response. Still doesn't make them believers.
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atheism is a system of belief made of various beliefs picked up randomly in all past belief systems and stuck together blindly and subconsciously, and in which individuals are their own gods. You have to follow the same beliefs, customs, to fit in with them obviously or they ignore/reject/mock you.
Actually i know more atheists who disrespect religious people than religious people who disrespect atheists.
It is a belief system, but it is not a religion.
ha yes, atheists are more disrespectful to theists, go fly a kite ::) ::). The amount of theists who tell atheists they are going to hell (which i consider disrespectful) far outweighs the number of atheists that are disrespectful to theists.
Either way, atheism or not, you dont have to be an atheist or a genius to know religion is a crock of fairy tales thrown together. All you need is common sense to see that.
ha yes, because religious people never ignore/mock/or reject someone who doesnt believe what they do. They are notorious for doing that. They do that more than anyone else. Are you trolling? Or are you stupid?
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atheism is a system of belief made of various beliefs picked up randomly in all past belief systems and stuck together blindly and subconsciously, and in which individuals are their own gods. You have to follow the same beliefs, customs, to fit in with them obviously or they ignore/reject/mock you.
Actually i know more atheists who disrespect religious people than religious people who disrespect atheists.
Some of us are simply open-minded when it comes to other's religious beliefs. I don't impose my religion of lack thereof, depending on what your perspective is, on other people and I appreciate it when they return the favor. I married to a Catholic woman in the Catholic church and I am not Catholic. Our religious differences have never been a problem for us.
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Because they are narcissist in their thinking because in their head they can explain everything. Most atheist couldn't figure out how to make a can opener but they feel they are smart enough to figure out life and the universe. They say a prayer when they are close to death because suddenly the possibility of God is present.
Uh, that doesn`t happen at all. Try again.
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atheism is a system of belief made of various beliefs picked up randomly in all past belief systems and stuck together blindly and subconsciously, and in which individuals are their own gods. You have to follow the same beliefs, customs, to fit in with them obviously or they ignore/reject/mock you.
Actually i know more atheists who disrespect religious people than religious people who disrespect atheists.
Atheism is the absence of belief and nothing more.
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
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In fact, there is scientific evidence that religious people are thicker than atheistic people. Just believing in something abstract bullshit more than proven history of mankind demands that you are dumb as brick, and this is how it goes. For example, there is lots of evidence about the evolution, but Christianity is based just on written words. No one wonder who has written the book, and no one really knows anything about it, they only believe it is word of god, without any evidence. If so, why this god who make a man to be an image of himself, let us find concrete evidence that story of the creation is utterly bullshit? How come there is more evidence about the evolution, than happenings written in bible? Religious people are too dumb to wonder these things, but these things are still out there.
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The ones I know like to think they are smarter than others yet they are stupids.
Discuss
Arrogance and stupidity often go together.
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The question posed in the title of this thread is the type of illogical question a religious person would ask. I assume the term 'most people' used in the question refers to theists as opposed to non-theists, or to be more precise, atheists. Atheists don't think they are smarter than most people, but they know they are smarter than Religious people. The decline of religious belief across developed nations in the 20th century leading to more intelligent populations is indisputable !!! There is a good reason why the majority of the worlds academics don't believe in God, their is a correlation between increased intelligence and atheism.
Ironically, atheists possess far more humility and less pride and arrogance, as they have the ability to say 'I don't know' on a regular basis, opposed to religious zealots who attempt to answer the Universes most pressing mysteries with illogical and child like reasoning.
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atheism is a system of belief made of various beliefs picked up randomly in all past belief systems and stuck together blindly and subconsciously, and in which individuals are their own gods. You have to follow the same beliefs, customs, to fit in with them obviously or they ignore/reject/mock you.
Actually i know more atheists who disrespect religious people than religious people who disrespect atheists.
You and I must hang around different circles
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In fact, there is scientific evidence that religious people are thicker than atheistic people. Just believing in something abstract bullshit more than proven history of mankind demands that you are dumb as brick, and this is how it goes. For example, there is lots of evidence about the evolution, but Christianity is based just on written words. No one wonder who has written the book, and no one really knows anything about it, they only believe it is word of god, without any evidence. If so, why this god who make a man to be an image of himself, let us find concrete evidence that story of the creation is utterly bullshit? How come there is more evidence about the evolution, than happenings written in bible? Religious people are too dumb to wonder these things, but these things are still out there.
lmao, evolution?..... fuck ok buddy, Ya I am really going to believe we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys, you are dumb as a brick if you believe in evolution, no fucken evidence just a distorted perception of your arrogant ways
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:D ;D
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Atheism is the absence of belief and nothing more.
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truth at last.
religious ppl are scary crazy and don't even realize it.
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lmao, evolution?..... fuck ok buddy, Ya I am really going to believe we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys, you are dumb as a brick if you believe in evolution, no fucken evidence just a distorted perception of your arrogant ways
You're wrong. Watch this video in it's entirety. The guy given it is Roman Catholic BTW
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Atheism is the absence of belief and nothing more.
TA is right there nothing to believe in, just "make believe thats all"
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When it comes to intellect atheists do make up the majority of the upper echelon.
There's nothing wrong or taken away by acknowledging this either.
Also doesn't mean non-atheists are not intelligent.
Many atheists have devoted to their lives to education, sciences, politics, art, literature, etc.....there's no mystery here.
I tend to think many in the upper echelon lie so much its hard to know what they really believe
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You're wrong. Watch this video in it's entirety. The guy given it is Roman Catholic BTW
ARE YOU FOR REAL, wow ND, you are something else. Saying we used to have the same amount of chromosomes as monkeys is proof we share a common ancestor? ROTFLMAO, hello, tabaco and patatoes also have 48 chromosome, oh so that means we share a common ancestor with them too by your logic, lmao, come on bro, nice try.
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A lot of the Christians I have met weren't the brightest bulbs but Jesus himself was a righteous dude. The sermon on the mount and the beatitudes stir deep emotions within me.
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ARE YOU FOR REAL, wow ND, you are something else. Saying we used to have the same amount of chromosomes as monkeys is proof we share a common ancestor? ROTFLMAO, hello, tabaco and patatoes also have 48 chromosome, oh so that means we share a common ancestor with them too by your logic, lmao, come on bro, nice try.
except that this isn't even the argument presented in the video. It's clear that evolution is unacceptable to you because of what you think your religion says about human origins. We've tried the exercise of trying to fit science to religion, why not try the reverse? It might be more fruitful to not take scripture so literally.
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Gets me every time. Richard Dawkins is such a troll.
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I tend to think many in the upper echelon lie so much its hard to know what they really believe
sadism, greed...
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A lot of the Christians I have met weren't the brightest bulbs but Jesus himself was a righteous dude. The sermon in the mount and the beatitudes stir deep emotions within me.
Same with me, the scenes from Franco Zefferelis Jesus of Nazereth are profound...
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Same with me, the scenes from Franco Zefferelis Jesus of Nazereth are profound...
You might be jerking my chain but I must admit I agree.
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except that this isn't even the argument presented in the video. It's clear that evolution is unacceptable to you because of what you think your religion says about human origins. We've tried the exercise of trying to fit science to religion, why not try the reverse? It might be more fruitful to not take scripture so literally.
this is precisely the argument in the video, he is saying that we used to have 48 chromosome just like monkeys and somehow proving we lost two is suppose to mean something to ND, even if I accept his argument in that video what does that prove, why did ND use this video to prove to me that monkeys and us share a common ancestor. Enlighten me here, where is the evidence in this video?
I do not take the scriptures so literally, and religion and science do not conflict in my opinion by the real definition of science, not evolution gibberish that people like you classify as science when science is suppose to be observable and evolution takes place over millions of years, clearly observable right? ya OK
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this is precisely the argument in the video, he is saying that we used to have 48 chromosome just like monkeys and somehow proving we lost two is suppose to mean something to ND, even if I accept his argument in that video what does that prove, why did ND use this video to prove to me that monkeys and us share a common ancestor. Enlighten me here, where is the evidence in this video?
I do not take the scriptures so literally, and religion and science do not conflict in my opinion by the real definition of science, not evolution gibberish that people like you classify as science when science is suppose to be observable and evolution takes place over millions of years, clearly observable right? ya OK
It would be useless arguing with you if your head if already too full of ideas, as the saying goes.
What he's saying is that the science predicts for there to be a fusion of chromosomes and this is precisely what is found. It also deals with the question of how it would be possible to have less no. of genes than ancestral relatives, a finding potentially catastrophic to the theory of evolution. Ofcourse if this finding went unexplained, creationists would be all over it.
Evolution is too consistent with all the observable facts to not be true. We can choose to argue that the earth is flat, but it's probably better to move on to more productive things.
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It would be useless arguing with you if your head if already too full of ideas, as the saying goes.
What he's saying is that the science predicts for there to be a fusion of chromosomes and this is precisely what is found. It also deals with the question of how it would be possible to have less no. of genes than ancestral relatives, a finding potentially catastrophic to the theory of evolution. Ofcourse if this finding went unexplained, creationists would be all over it.
Evolution is too consistent with all the observable facts to not be true. We can choose to argue that the earth is flat, but it's probably better to move on to more productive things.
its best not to argue me ???, lol, go ahead cop out, knock yourself out, in the mean time I will stick to the argument at hand and that is that the video proved nothing, ya it said what you stated as a possibilty I recognized that but possibilities and facts are not the same.
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its best not to argue me ???, lol, go ahead cop out, knock yourself out, in the mean time I will stick to the argument at hand and that is that the video proved nothing, ya it said what you stated as a possibilty I recognized that but possibilities and facts are not the same.
I didn't mean it as an insult. You would be well advised to study a high school level biology text before proceeding to argue about well established science. You may think that is insulting, but it is true.
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I didn't mean it as an insult. You would be well advised to study a high school level biology text before proceeding to argue about well established science. You may think that is insulting, but it is true.
first only an idiot would be so stupid as to believe I never took biology in high school. Now as for you, well, you need to go grab a dictionary bro and read up on the word THEORY and stop being so gullible as to accept theories as facts when they are not, many people with Phds, intelligent people who do not believe in God feel that the theory is full of holes.
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first only an idiot would be so stupid as to believe I never took biology in high school. Now as for you, well, you need to go grab a dictionary bro and read up on the word THEORY and stop being so gullible as to accept theories as facts when they are not, many people with Phds, intelligent people who do not believe in God feel that the theory is full of holes.
To be fair, the way scientist use the word theory is very different from its colloquial use.
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first only an idiot would be so stupid as to believe I never took biology in high school. Now as for you, well, you need to go grab a dictionary bro and read up on the word THEORY and stop being so gullible as to accept theories as facts when they are not, many people with Phds, intelligent people who do not believe in God feel that the theory is full of holes.
I happen to know what a theory means. I can go on and try to correct you but I've already done that a dozen times with no effect :P You stone cold creationist you.
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To be fair, the way scientist use the word theory is very different from its colloquial use.
It does not matter. the theory is not a fact, many try to pass it as a fact but it is not, far from, so many problems with the theory.
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I happen to know what a theory means. I can go on and try to correct you but I've already done that a dozen times with no effect :P You stone cold creationist you.
no you have not done shit, your only attack is my status, which means you deviated from the point to argue that which is useless and a waste of time, stick to the argument or do not bother.
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Bro everything we believe in is a theory. In the absence of a theory, all you have is a bunch of facts. A theory stiches them together into something coherent, it creates a concept out of facts.
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no you have not done shit, your only attack is my status, which means you deviated from the point to argue that which is useless and a waste of time, stick to the argument or do not bother.
the feeling is mutual ;)
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Bro everything we believe in is a theory. In the absence of a theory, all you have is a bunch of facts. A theory stiches them together into something coherent, it creates a concept out of facts.
yes I agree theories serve a purpose but they get replaced often with better ones, such is the case with evolution, the time will come where it gets replaced and scientist will say we did not have a common ancestor with monkeys. ;D
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yes I agree theories serve a purpose but they get replaced often with better ones, such is the case with evolution, the time will come where it gets replaced and scientist will say we did not have a common ancestor with monkeys. ;D
well that's a better stance than outright rejection.
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loloolllll love it :D
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loloolllll love it :D
"I don't know he created a reasonable doubt, he makes me sound like a stupid science bitch"
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Theories don't need to be exact to enable science to utilize it. Case in point, they just recently revised the theory of lift regarding how planes fly (we knew what was happening, just as it turned out, unsure WHY?). Even though the original theories were slightly off, it hasn't prevented humanity building machines that actually fly. Just because a theory isn't 100% accurate doesn't mean the whole theory is useless. Theories aren't so much replaced but revised and updated. Ironically, it's amazing how many religious people put their FAITH in these "ridiculous" scientific theories every time they fly on a plane.
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yes I agree theories serve a purpose but they get replaced often with better ones, such is the case with evolution, the time will come where it gets replaced and scientist will say we did not have a common ancestor with monkeys. ;D
We share 98% of our DNA with monkeys. Are you saying we share no common ancestry? Seriously? ::) ::)
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Theories don't need to be exact to enable science to utilize it. Case in point, they just recently revised the theory of lift regarding how planes fly. Even though the original theories were slightly off, it hasn't prevented humanity building machines that actually fly. Just because a theory isn't 100% accurate doesn't mean the whole theory is useless. Theories aren't so much replaced but revised and updated. Ironically, it's amazing how many religious people put their FAITH in these "ridiculous" scientific theories every time they fly on a plane.
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That is the sad part is that people do not realize that science is about progress. And as you stated, most theories are revised, updated and built upon. For example, when evolution continues to gather evidence and change, it doesnt mean it was initially wrong, just that they made improvements. I do not understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp.
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That is the sad part is that people do not realize that science is about progress. And as you stated, most theories are revised, updated and built upon. For example, when evolution continues to gather evidence and change, it doesnt mean it was initially wrong, just that they made improvements. I do not understand why this is so difficult for people to grasp.
Theoretically, it's called cognitive dissonance, the discomfort experienced when simultaneously holding two or more conflicting cognitions: ideas, beliefs, values or emotional reactions. When you have convinced yourself a comforting illusion is real, to actually change that point of view for one that is less comforting (albeit real) creates a strong uncomfortable emotional reaction.
Evolution and essentially reality is cold and indifferent to individual life forms, it doesn't consider an individual as special or loved or needed or wanted for that matter, you're just another insignificant cog in the wheel of life, and that fact is utterly disturbing to the average narcissistic westerner who wants to believe they are somehow a divine creation who is cared for and protected. Most people can't handle cold hard reality, the comfort of make believe is there only salvation.
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We share 98% of our DNA with monkeys. Are you saying we share no common ancestry? Seriously? ::) ::)
I thought about responding to Onetimehard, but decided against it because I thought it would be a waste of my time and energy. It will be interesting to see if he has any comeback to your post.
I am just baffled how there are still people who believe as he does. Clearly some people have still not eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In Genesis 2:4-3:24 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
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I thought about responding to Onetimehard, but decided against it because I thought it would be a waste of my time and energy. It will be interesting to see if he has any comeback to your post.
I am just baffled how there are still people who believe as he does. Clearly some people have still not eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. In Genesis 2:4-3:24 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
He gives us the brain, but insists we don't use it. Lord God the Mindfuck.
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the scientist cant tell what was before big bang,the creation moment, yet they say theres no god(creating force)
have read a book recently from an atheist professor, hes not agnostic,he says straight up atheist, his views on religion were hilarious to read.
but how can we know or not know for sure?
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the scientist cant tell what was before big bang,the creation moment, yet they say theres no god(creating force)
have read a book recently from an atheist professor, hes not agnostic,he says straight up atheist, his views on religion were hilarious to read.
but how can we know or not know for sure?
That's the point, you can't know or not know for sure what is true and what is folklore. Ever play the game telephone? It only take a couple of people to completely convolute the truth. Imagine how stories told by the elders to their offspring for many generations get altered and you have some idea how far off the Bible could be from the actual facts of any situation. Even after something gets documented in written form as happened with the Bible, it changes with each rewrite and there have been many of those with this good book.
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the scientist cant tell what was before big bang,the creation moment, yet they say theres no god(creating force)
It remains a mystery, though they certainly have theories regarding it. Why simply chalk it up to God because it isn't yet (assuming it will ever be) understood? They do a pretty good job at explaining most everything else, certainly more convincingly than Creationists do.
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It remains a mystery, though they certainly have theories regarding it. Why simply chalk it up to God because it isn't yet (assuming it will ever be) understood? They do a pretty good job at explaining most everything else, certainly more convincingly than Creationists do.
Stephen Hawking hypothesized that time BEGAN at the big bang, therefore there was no time BEFORE the BIG BANG for GOD to exist in. The Universe is the one exception to the rule stating every effect has a cause. There was no cause to the Universe. Because there is a LAW such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist.
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Stephen Hawking hypothesized that time BEGAN at the big bang, therefore there was no time BEFORE the BIG BANG for GOD to exist in. The Universe is the one exception to the rule stating every effect has a cause. Due to the initial present forces, the Universe created itself. There was no cause to the Universe.
Is this mostly accepted by the scientific community, or still one man's hypothesis?
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Is this mostly accepted by the scientific community, or still one man's hypothesis?
I don't know the rest of the scientific community would be considered his peers, his conclusions are drawn from areas of research not widely studied. A documentary was produced on his beliefs that showed some pretty compelling arguments. Stephen has offered some brilliant ideas to build on and explore.
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knowing things "for sure"
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I just read this tyrannical diatribe utterly condemning the Theory that there was NO CAUSE to the Universes creation, the author makes statements such as "Obviously, something can't create itself" & "Thus, for something to create itself, the something would need to exist before it existed. This is clearly absurd." and the Author ends the piece with the following. "Atheists often try to refute the Creation model by saying that if every effect needs a cause, then what caused God? But the question is nonsensical. God has no origin. He is eternal. God is not an effect. Therefore He needs no cause." ::) Oh BROTHER !!!
http://www.4thdayalliance.com/articles/big-bang/stephen-hawking-and-the-big-bang/
Sometimes I think Hawkings proposed the NO CAUSE to the UNIVERSE theory just to fuck with the Religious NUTJOBS who have claimed that GOD has no cause. Give those zealots a taste of their own medicine.
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I don't know the rest of the scientific community would be considered his peers, his conclusions are drawn from areas of research not widely studied. A documentary was produced on his beliefs that showed some pretty compelling arguments. Stephen has offered some brilliant ideas to build on and explore.
Oh, for sure. I read "A Brief History of Time" years back, and he had some mind-blowing assertions. About 5-10% of which, maybe, I could grasp. Brilliant dude, but not overly accessible to a layman like me.
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the scientist cant tell what was before big bang,the creation moment, yet they say theres no god(creating force)
have read a book recently from an atheist professor, hes not agnostic,he says straight up atheist, his views on religion were hilarious to read.
but how can we know or not know for sure?
We should just accept not knowing. We are frail, hairless monkeys on one of billons of planets with minds incapable of dealing with cosmic complexities.
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lmao, evolution?..... fuck ok buddy, Ya I am really going to believe we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys, you are dumb as a brick if you believe in evolution, no fucken evidence just a distorted perception of your arrogant ways
So, if you are the work of god, why you act like ape through your life? God make you as an image of himself, and you are butt fucking redneck gay whore? Sorry to say, but you are living proof that our ancestors were apes, with the exception that your behavior make the apes blush.
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lmao, evolution?..... fuck ok buddy, Ya I am really going to believe we evolved from a common ancestor with monkeys, you are dumb as a brick if you believe in evolution, no fucken evidence just a distorted perception of your arrogant ways
OTH, I hope youre trolling or youre dumb. We share over 98% of our DNA with chimps. Of course we share a common ancestry.
How can you argue DNA? :-\ :-\
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this is precisely the argument in the video, he is saying that we used to have 48 chromosome just like monkeys and somehow proving we lost two is suppose to mean something to ND, even if I accept his argument in that video what does that prove, why did ND use this video to prove to me that monkeys and us share a common ancestor. Enlighten me here, where is the evidence in this video?
I do not take the scriptures so literally, and religion and science do not conflict in my opinion by the real definition of science, not evolution gibberish that people like you classify as science when science is suppose to be observable and evolution takes place over millions of years, clearly observable right? ya OK
You have to be mentally ill to be that stupid. It is clear that you don't have the capacity to comprehend matters complicated as this, so your savior is religion, which you don't need to think at all. They say how you should feel about the things, what to do and how live your life. In real world there is tons of evidence about the evolution, and all you can do is deny them without any reasoning. You just deny these evidences, you don't even try to prove they are wrong, and that proves you are stupid. And what about the evidence for your bible, what proves it is word of god? Where is the evidence about the god, that he exists? How about this? In this video they prove ne of the vital part of your religion to be just illusion:
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You have to be mentally ill to be that stupid. It is clear that you don't have the capacity to comprehend matters complicated as this, so your savior is religion, which you don't need to think at all. They say how you should feel about the things, what to do and how live your life. In real world there is tons of evidence about the evolution, and all you can do is deny them without any reasoning. You just deny these evidences, you don't even try to prove they are wrong, and that proves you are stupid. And what about the evidence for your bible, what proves it is word of god? Where is the evidence about the god, that he exists? How about this? In this video they prove ne of the vital part of your religion to be just illusion:
Interesting to see the milk jug analogy. I've used the same argument using a doorknob for years..
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the scientist cant tell what was before big bang,the creation moment, yet they say theres no god(creating force)
have read a book recently from an atheist professor, hes not agnostic,he says straight up atheist, his views on religion were hilarious to read.
but how can we know or not know for sure?
A relationship with Jesus Christ is what did it for me.
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A relationship with Jesus Christ is what did it for me.
Typically, if I have a relationship with someone I could tell you a few things about them not found in a book. Happen to know who Jesus' best friend was when he was a teenager? Do you know his favorite food? Perhaps you can tell me his favorite song? How about his favorite color? Maybe his favorite carpenters tool or a particular piece of furniture he liked to make? Can you tell me anything beyond what is contained in the bible about Jesus if you have a relationship?
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A relationship with Jesus Christ is what did it for me.
I find one-sided relationships rather unfulfilling.
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OTH, I hope youre trolling or youre dumb. We share over 98% of our DNA with chimps. Of course we share a common ancestry.
How can you argue DNA? :-\ :-\
oh stop with your horse shit of being surprised that people DO NOT believe in evolution, that strategy is fucken old and played out.
The truth is is billions of people do not believe in evolution ( almost half the world), check out the stats and among them are Doctor, Professors, Engineers, every profession on the planet so stop your ignorant obsession that we must be doorknobs cause we do not believe what you believe.
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Typically, if I have a relationship with someone I could tell you a few things about them not found in a book. Happen to know who Jesus' best friend was when he was a teenager? Do you know his favorite food? Perhaps you can tell me his favorite song? How about his favorite color? Maybe his favorite carpenters tool or a particular piece of furniture he liked to make? Can you tell me anything beyond what is contained in the bible about Jesus if you have a relationship?
Sure thing! Have a few days? I have loads of stories and experiences to share!!
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I find one-sided relationships rather unfulfilling.
Would you tell me about your relationship with Christ and why it became one-sided?
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Typically, if I have a relationship with someone, I could tell you a few things about them NOT found in a book. Happen to know who Jesus' best friend was when he was a teenager? Do you know his favorite food? Perhaps you can tell me his favorite song? How about his favorite color? Maybe his favorite carpenters tool, or a particular piece of furniture he liked to make? His middle name? His last name? Can you tell me anything beyond what is contained in the bible about Jesus if you have a relationship?
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Would you tell me about your relationship with Christ and why it became one-sided?
He never said a word, it was all me. Total communication breakdown - might as well've been talking to a jug of milk. Had to cut it off.
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oh stop with your horse shit of being surprised that people DO NOT believe in evolution, that strategy is fucken old and played out.
The truth is is billions of people do not believe in evolution ( almost half the world), check out the stats and among them are Doctor, Professors, Engineers, every profession on the planet so stop your ignorant obsession that we must be doorknobs cause we do not believe what you believe.
That's the argumentum ad populum , just because a large group of people believe in something doesn't mean it's true. Just popular. millions of Catholics believe in evolution doesn't mean it's true either but it's a double edge sword.
Evolution is as much as fact as you and I are here breathing. It's going on despite your disbelief.
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The good thing about Science is that its true whether or not you believe in it.
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That's the argumentum ad populum , just because a large group of people believe in something doesn't mean it's true. Just popular. millions of Catholics believe in evolution doesn't mean it's true either but it's a double edge sword.
Evolution is as much as fact as you and I are here breathing. It's going on despite your disbelief.
read my post again cause you clearly missed the point and went off with some gibberish, duh obviously cause a large group believes in something does not mean shit. Was that my point, ah no.... my point was calling 3 billion people stupid is stupid in itself and my point also was among the them are very intelligent people, had nothing to do with the gibberish you spewed.
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The good thing about Science is that its true whether or not you believe in it.
obviously
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The good thing about Science is that its true whether or not you believe in it.
With science proving matter can not be created from energy, then big bang theory is a bust?
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read my post again cause you clearly missed the point and went off with some gibberish, duh obviously cause a large group believes in something does not mean shit. Was that my point, ah no.... my point was calling 3 billion people stupid is stupid in itself and my point also was among the them are very intelligent people, had nothing to do with the gibberish you spewed.
Roughly 1.6 billion people are Muslim. That's a lot of people. Does such a large number of muslim believers have any bearing on whether what they believe is true? Also, because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean that their disbelief stems from a thorough understanding of the subject. This applies to people who we might consider highly educated although not in a field relevant to evolution.
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Roughly 1.6 billion people are Muslim. That's a lot of people. Does such a large number of muslim believers have any bearing on whether what they believe is true? Also, because someone doesn't believe something doesn't mean that their disbelief stems from a thorough understanding of the subject. This applies to people who we might consider highly educated although not in a field relevant to evolution.
again, this is not the point. The point is nothing is set in concrete, what you believe in maybe right but say to you have absolutely 100% undeniable proof makes you ignorant.
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again, this is not the point. The point is nothing is set in concrete, what you believe in maybe right but say to you have absolutely 100% undeniable proof makes you ignorant.
Science wouldn't claim anything is 100% undeniable proof. But as far as we can know things evolution is as much a fact as we can use the word.
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TA laying alot of smack down.
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again, this is not the point. The point is nothing is set in concrete, what you believe in maybe right but say to you have absolutely 100% undeniable proof makes you ignorant.
What percentage of "undeniable truth" do you operate on when it comes to your lord and savior, Geezeus Christ?
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What percentage of "undeniable truth" do you operate on when it comes to your lord and savior, Geezeus Christ?
Its called faith not knowledge.
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Its called faith not knowledge.
ROFLMAO!
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ROFLMAO!
rotflmao at you too ;)
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rotflmao at you too ;)
What good is faith?
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Sure thing! Have a few days? I have loads of stories and experiences to share!!
go ahead, i have all the time in the world
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hey just bc theres some unexplainable stories in bible, and bc every religion believes in their god, doesnt mean theres some creative force out there.
i dont subscribe to any religion btw,but they have some valueable things going.
we are a nothing in the universe.
we dont know much.
one guy said the scientists have a theory for what was before big bang, well yeah i heard them all before, very entertaining, multi verse, inflating then deflating ,paralel universes etc.
but the religious ones could just bring up their theory,claiming its some godly force behind it.
religions will have some explaining to do when exterriarls come to earth, if they do,lol.
im on the fence on this issue.
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hey just bc theres some unexplainable stories in bible, and bc every religion believes in their god, doesnt mean theres some creative force out there.
i dont subscribe to any religion btw,but they have some valueable things going.
we are a nothing in the universe.
we dont know much.
one guy said the scientists have a theory for what was before big bang, well yeah i heard them all before, very entertaining, multi verse, inflating then deflating ,paralel universes etc.
but the religious ones could just bring up their theory,claiming its some godly force behind it.
religions will have some explaining to do when exterriarls come to earth, if they do,lol.
im on the fence on this issue.
Problem in this matter is simple: you all have point of view were the religions are work of god, and therefore mysterious. Take a while and try to think that religions are work of mankind, and you start to see how and why they manipulate people for certain purposes. If we take the muslim religion and strip it to the bone, what we will see? Set of orders which are based to the fact that women has to be slave to the man, and men has right to fuck everything which has pulse, no matter about species, age etc. Everything else in their book is utterly bullshit. There is set of commands in every religion because they are invented for crowd control, to make people busy with the religion, so they will be easier to rule. And what comes first in all western religions? Money. Religion is big business in any western countries. Thank god we have the evolution, which clearly has rise the IQ of the man near the level, where they abandon religion. Tens of thousands has abandon their religion in europe per year, so one day we will see how the religions die away.
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Problem in this matter is simple: you all have point of view were the religions are work of god, and therefore mysterious. Take a while and try to think that religions are work of mankind, and you start to see how and why they manipulate people for certain purposes. If we take the muslim religion and strip it to the bone, what we will see? Set of orders which are based to the fact that women has to be slave to the man, and men has right to fuck everything which has pulse, no matter about species, age etc. Everything else in their book is utterly bullshit. There is set of commands in every religion because they are invented for crowd control, to make people busy with the religion, so they will be easier to rule. And what comes first in all western religions? Money. Religion is big business in any western countries. Thank god we have the evolution, which clearly has rise the IQ of the man near the level, where they abandon religion. Tens of thousands has abandon their religion in europe per year, so one day we will see how the religions die away.
i think you went a little overboard there buddy. Being purmiscious is frowned upon for both sexes...
Basically balance---harmony...man/woman needs laws to achieve balance/harmony (read moderation) because we are prone to excessive indulgences, which then creates chaos.
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hey just bc theres some unexplainable stories in bible, and bc every religion believes in their god, doesnt mean theres some creative force out there.
i dont subscribe to any religion btw,but they have some valueable things going.
we are a nothing in the universe.
we dont know much.
one guy said the scientists have a theory for what was before big bang, well yeah i heard them all before, very entertaining, multi verse, inflating then deflating ,paralel universes etc.
but the religious ones could just bring up their theory,claiming its some godly force behind it.
religions will have some explaining to do when exterriarls come to earth, if they do,lol.
im on the fence on this issue.
not the Bible, in fact according to the Bible ET have already visited the Earth and have procreated with woman and have had on off spring that populated the Earth before the flood. ;)
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What good is faith?
faith is everything according to the Bible
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faith is everything according to the Bible
I can`t see any practical use for faith.
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I can`t see any practical use for faith.
But you are in the material world and do not have a part in spiritual matters, which are way more important and significant in reality because the spiritual realm is forever and the life is but a mere hair of a fraction in comparison, unfortunately for you, you have not tapped into this yet, or maybe never. :-\
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But you are in the material world and do not have a part in spiritual matters, which are way more important and significant in reality because the spiritual realm is forever and the life is but a mere hair of a fraction in comparison, unfortunately for you, you have not tapped into this yet, or maybe never. :-\
If that "spiritual life" is so much why would you bother trying to prolong your life?
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If that "spiritual life" is so much why would you bother trying to prolong your life?
Because I have duties but believe me dying would be better, you are right about that concept, as much as I love life and think it is good, what God has planned for us after death is better.
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Because I have duties but believe me dying would be better, you are right about that concept, as much as I love life and think it is good, what God has planned for us after death is better.
That is a very strange way to think about life.
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Because I have duties but believe me dying would be better, you are right about that concept, as much as I love life and think it is good, what God has planned for us after death is better.
or not..
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Because I have duties but believe me dying would be better, you are right about that concept, as much as I love life and think it is good, what God has planned for us after death is better.
I do believe this will make the actual dying part a little less distressing. That's about it, though.
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That is a very strange way to think about life.
Agreed.
When a person has no concept of anything beyond the death in this life I can understand how ridiculous it would appear for someone else to be excited about what lies ahead after that death.
For me, I simply humbled myself to the idea that there must to be something more that what I understood if others were willing to give their lives for the will of Jesus Christ......and were happy about it LOL.
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That is a very strange way to think about life.
strange is something that rarely happens, you know 1 in a million is strange but when half the world thinks this way I find it highly inappropriate for you to classify it as strange. Thinking there is nothing after death to me sounds strange as well.
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Thinking there is nothing after death to me sounds strange as well.
But the brain stops working, no more thought. Why would that sound strange?
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But the brain stops working, no more thought. Why would that sound strange?
because the body is only a temporary entity where the spirit resides, the spirit carries on in another way our 5 sense can not comprehend.
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because the body is only a temporary entity where the spirit resides, the spirit carries on in another way our 5 sense can not comprehend.
That doesn't sound strange to you? Not the "millions who also believe," but you.
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That doesn't sound strange to you? Not the "millions who also believe," but you.
I am not trolling or have anything against you but what you think sounds so strange to me, how you think it ends all at death is the strangest thing in the world to me, but hey to each their own, your entitled to your beliefs.
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I am not trolling or have anything against you but what you think sounds so strange to me, how you think it ends all at death is the strangest thing in the world to me, but hey to each their own, your entitled to your beliefs.
Ok, fair enough.
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Because I have duties but believe me dying would be better, you are right about that concept, as much as I love life and think it is good, what God has planned for us after death is better.
That doesn't make any sense, why not checkout now then. Like living in a prison when you are allowed to leave at any time. If people actually believed that, they would simply check out. It just sounds like another nice fairy tale religious people tell themselves rather than accepting that no one knows what happens after death. You ever notice how it's always this COMFORTING illusion that is chosen.
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strange is something that rarely happens, you know 1 in a million is strange but when half the world thinks this way I find it highly inappropriate for you to classify it as strange. Thinking there is nothing after death to me sounds strange as well.
You were nothing before you were born, why not after death?
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because the body is only a temporary entity where the spirit resides, the spirit carries on in another way our 5 sense can not comprehend.
isnt the spirit only a bunch of random strategies of survival stored in your brain that come from all the previous people who breeded with each others?
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Froth not from thine mouth, my atheistic brethren. :(
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That doesn't make any sense, why not checkout now then. Like living in a prison when you are allowed to leave at any time. If people actually believed that, they would simply check out. It just sounds like another nice fairy tale religious people tell themselves rather than accepting that no one knows what happens after death. You ever notice how it's always this COMFORTING illusion that is chosen.
I agree, I do not know, my belief is based on faith.
As for checking out, it does not work that way, lol, we have duties here and are judged on both are selfishness and selflessness.
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haha. doodies.
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The only reason people believe in an afterlife is because they fear death. Plain and simple.
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The only reason people believe in an afterlife is because they fear death. Plain and simple.
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For me, I simply humbled myself to the idea that there must to be something more that what I understood if others were willing to give their lives for the will of Jesus Christ......and were happy about it LOL.
I'm sorry, I'm afraid that that can't be what happened. If it were, you would be willing to change your belief(s) regarding Jesus given that the 'willing to give their lives and be happy about it' criterion for the veracity of beliefs is actually much, much more in favor of Al Qaeda's core beliefs -- to say nothing of a huge variety of historical belief systems. Since this won't happen anytime soon, you obviously didn't use that criterion to determine your belief (or at least, you aren't using it to maintain said belief).
It is also apparently the case that you won't change your beliefs for literally any reason whatsoever, whether said reasons be derived from history, science, logic, or everyday experience.* These beliefs are seemingly completely inaccessible to the faculties that typically produce reasoned thought in cognitive systems like ours. And that's an interesting phenomenon that I hope cognitive psychologists can provide insights on some day.
*This is easily confirmed: no matter what any scientist says, you aren't going to say, "Ah, my relationship with God was an illusion this whole time!" and so on for any other reason proffered. Surely you would agree that this is the case?
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strange is something that rarely happens, you know 1 in a million is strange but when half the world thinks this way I find it highly inappropriate for you to classify it as strange. Thinking there is nothing after death to me sounds strange as well.
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Great logic. People believe a lot of things that arent true, and just because the vast majority believe something, doesnt make it true.
Try again.
Oh wait, it is, because the world isn't flat.
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and simply put, its true. You fear the unknown. You fear hell. If this was never instilled in you, you would probably find no reason to believe in a God.
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Great logic. People believe a lot of things that arent true, and just because the vast majority believe something, doesnt make it true.
Try again.
Oh wait, it is, because the world isn't flat.
again taking shit out of content, who said anything about believing in something because half the world does? You do not classify something strange unless it is not the norm, you missed the point entirely.
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again taking shit out of content, who said anything about believing in something because half the world does? You do not classify something strange unless it is not the norm, you missed the point entirely.
Well, actually I did not miss the point because it really depends on how you are operationally defining the word "strange."
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Well, actually I did not miss the point because it really depends on how you are operationally defining the word "strange."
is it strange to believe in Islam, no because there are a billion Muslims, is it strange to believe there is no God, no because a lot of people do not believe in God, is it strange to believe in Godzilla, YES that is strange because it is not the norm.
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stranger danger
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I agree, I do not know, my belief is based on faith.
As for checking out, it does not work that way, lol, we have duties here and are judged on both are selfishness and selflessness.
It's hard keeping up with you religious types, you said after death God has something better for us, that doesn't sound like someone who claims they don't know what happens after death. And I don't believe there is such a thing as selflessness, it's self defeating. Whatever actions people take, it is always based on what they get out of it, even if it's simply praise for being so called selfless.
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It's hard keeping up with you religious types, you said after death God has something better for us, that doesn't sound like someone who claims they don't know what happens after death. And I don't believe there is such a thing as selflessness, it's self defeating. Whatever actions people take, it is always based on what they get out of it, even if it's simply praise for being so called selfless.
not true at all, I care less or give 2 shits about anything when my son is sick, I am by his side to comfort him unconditionally.
I know it is hard for you to understand the concept of selflessness but there are actions that have no self benefit among a few good people/
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not true at all, I care less or give 2 shits about anything when my son is sick, I am by his side to comfort him unconditionally.
I know it is hard for you to understand the concept of selflessness but there are actions that have no self benefit among a few good people/
You fail to understand the concept. What you described is an incredibly selfish act, you have a vested interest in keeping your genes ongoing. By caring for your son, you are REWARDED, you benefit from the interaction, there is a biological payoff. There may also be secondary benefits, that others will consider you a caring SELFLESS person and favor you in their interactions. Your son may also return the favour at a later date. In short, your chance of survival is increased by behaving in such a way. There is no such thing as SELFLESS. There is a reason you treat your son in this way and are completely indifferent to other peoples suffering, you receive no biological payoff by caring for other peoples children.
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You fail to understand the concept. What you described is an incredibly selfish act, you have a vested interest in keeping your genes ongoing. By caring for your son, you are REWARDED, you benefit from the interaction, there is a biological payoff. There may also be secondary benefits, that others will consider you a caring SELFLESS person and favor you in their interactions. There is no such thing as SELFLESS. There is a reason you treat your son in this way and are completely indifferent to other peoples suffering, you receive no biological payoff by caring for other peoples children.
wrong, I do not give a shit about keeping my genes going, that is bs, if my son decided not to have kids I would not care/
Everything I do for him benefits me nothing accept satisfying my love and that in itself is what selflessness is, I see your perspective but you are being way to technical here
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wrong, I do not give a shit about keeping my genes going, that is bs, if my son decided not to have kids I would not care/
Everything I do for him benefits me nothing accept satisfying my love and that in itself is what selflessness is, I see your perspective but you are being way to technical here
If you do not care about your genes surviving, why did you have children in the first place? Was that a selfish act? Did you want something too care for to obtain some psychological reward? You admit by doing things for your son your need for love is satisfied, in effect your son is used as a proxy to fulfill some need you have for satisfying your love. Sounds kind of co-dependent. From what you have stated, it appears you receive plenty of psychological reward from perceiving yourself to be SELFLESS. You like how it feels when you consider yourself SELFLESS. If you acknowledged that your actions were selfish you wouldn't benefit as much, even if the benefit to the other was still the same.
And motivations are technical, human relationships deeply complex. I just think you choose to see things simply as that is all you have the capacity for. There is nothing wrong with that, but I do think it puts limitations on the levels of self awareness that is obtainable.
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If you do not care about your genes surviving, why did you have children in the first place? Was that a selfish act? Did you want something too care for to obtain some psychological reward? You admit by doing things for your son your need for love is satisfied, in effect your son is used as a proxy to fulfill some need you have for satisfying your love. Sounds kind of co-dependent. From what you have stated, it appears you receive plenty of psychological reward from perceiving yourself to be SELFLESS. You like how it feels when you consider yourself SELFLESS. If you acknowledged that your actions were selfish you wouldn't benefit as much, even if the benefit to the other was still the same.
And motivations are technical, human relationships deeply complex. I just think you choose to see things simply as that is all you have the capacity for. There is nothing wrong with that, but I do think it puts limitations on the levels of self awareness that is obtainable.
This is not what people mean when they use that word, this is to technical and I do not care to discuss semantics.
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Can we at least agree that Jesus is by far a better paragon of moral virtue than the desert rat, Muhammad.
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Can we at least agree that Jesus is by far a better paragon of moral virtue than the desert rat, Muhammad.
I do not wish to insult Muslims but yes Jesus is by far better them anyone, including Muhammad
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I do not wish to insult Muslims but yes Jesus is by far better them anyone, including Muhammad
You might be surprised but I do read the bible and Jesus is a vastly superior teacher to Muhammad. It's not politically correct to say so but it's obvious to anyone. Islams treatment of Jesus should be insulting and blasphemous to a Christian.
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You might be surprised but I do read the bible and Jesus is a vastly superior teacher to Muhammad. It's not politically correct to say so but it's obvious to anyone. Islams treatment of Jesus should be insulting and blasphemous to a Christian.
I read the Koran and they refer to Jesus as son of Mary and they do not insult Jesus but from the perspective of a Christian it does come across as mockery.
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I read the Koran and they refer to Jesus as son of Mary and they do not insult Jesus but from the perspective of a Christian it does come across as mockery.
I've read a lot on Islam as well. Islam denies the divinity of Christ and do not believe he died on the cross. These are two very essential components of the Christian faith. Muslims believe when Christ returns he will destroy all the crosses because they are false symbols. Read not only the Quran but the Surah.
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I'm sorry, I'm afraid that that can't be what happened. If it were, you would be willing to change your belief(s) regarding Jesus given that the 'willing to give their lives and be happy about it' criterion for the veracity of beliefs is actually much, much more in favor of Al Qaeda's core beliefs -- to say nothing of a huge variety of historical belief systems. Since this won't happen anytime soon, you obviously didn't use that criterion to determine your belief (or at least, you aren't using it to maintain said belief).
It is also apparently the case that you won't change your beliefs for literally any reason whatsoever, whether said reasons be derived from history, science, logic, or everyday experience.* These beliefs are seemingly completely inaccessible to the faculties that typically produce reasoned thought in cognitive systems like ours. And that's an interesting phenomenon that I hope cognitive psychologists can provide insights on some day.
*This is easily confirmed: no matter what any scientist says, you aren't going to say, "Ah, my relationship with God was an illusion this whole time!" and so on for any other reason proffered. Surely you would agree that this is the case?
No offense, but I don't really understand what you're suggesting.
What I mentioned is just one of the reasons I began to belief....it's just one thing I considered that started me down a path.
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The only reason people believe in an afterlife is because they fear death. Plain and simple.
I agree with this. Not just the fear of death but also the fear that this is all there is. When your done, there's nothing more. That's hard to take for many people.
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I agree with this. Not just the fear of death but also the fear that this is all there is. When your done, there's nothing more. That's hard to take for many people.
For me it's always been exactly the opposite. If this life is all there is it makes it pretty simple to undertake. Since we're basically cosmic trash we're virtually without genuine purpose and will eventually return to the cloud of expanding stardust that we originated from. While here we can invent temporary purpose and live according to it, but it serves no greater end...it's barely fleeting. There's a much greater responsibility in realizing there's far more ahead. Belief in Christ comes with a price, with ridicule, with responsibility, with committment, with submission, with love, with compassion, with purpose. This short life can be lived on your terms without God....it can be virtually whatever you choose it to be.
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For me it's always been exactly the opposite. If this life is all there is it makes it pretty simple to undertake. Since we're basically cosmic trash we're virtually without genuine purpose and will eventually return to the cloud of expanding cloud stardust that we originated. While here we can invent temporary purpose and live according to it, but it serves no greater end...it's barely fleeting. There's a much greater responsibility in realizing there's far more ahead. Belief in Christ comes with a price, with ridicule, with responsibility, with committment, with submission, with love, with compassion, with purpose. This short life can be lived on your terms without God....it can be virtually whatever you choose it to be.
Life is good from my perspective. I hope mine continues for a couple more decades at least. -Not because I am afraid of it ending, but because I enjoy life and try to make it the best life I can every hour of every day that I am alive.
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Reasoned skepticism.
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Life is good from my perspective. I hope mine continues for a couple more decades at least. -Not because I am afraid of it ending, but because I enjoy life and try to make it the best life I can every hour of every day that I am alive.
I hope the same thing for you and for myself!
In the meantime I pray for the opportunity to share Christ and what he's done in my life with some folks and maybe they too will come to experience him like I have.
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For me it's always been exactly the opposite. If this life is all there is it makes it pretty simple to undertake. Since we're basically cosmic trash we're virtually without genuine purpose and will eventually return to the cloud of expanding stardust that we originated from. While here we can invent temporary purpose and live according to it, but it serves no greater end...it's barely fleeting. There's a much greater responsibility in realizing there's far more ahead. Belief in Christ comes with a price, with ridicule, with responsibility, with committment, with submission, with love, with compassion, with purpose. This short life can be lived on your terms without God....it can be virtually whatever you choose it to be.
I still have never received a clear answer on what the purpose of being here even if there is a God and an afterlife.
I'm going to create and entire universe/multiverse with just one planet with life so you can be born to give yourself to Jesus to go to the afterlife and be happy for ever ???
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I still have never received a clear answer on what the purpose of being here even if there is a God and an afterlife.
I'm going to create and entire universe/multiverse with just one planet with life so you can be born to give yourself to Jesus to go to the afterlife and be happy for ever ???
I tend to look at it this way.
No parent ever tells their children everything when they are first born or even after a year of two. Such knowledge comes with the passage of time when they are better equipped to understand it. This may be how it is for us. Or, it may not.
All the best.
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The only reason people believe in an afterlife is because they fear death. Plain and simple.
some look forward to death, 70+ virgin waiting for them
very nice sexual promise.
but i wouldnt sign such contract, you never know if those virgons are hot, maybeits the bottom barral virgins who never got fucked for a reason(being ugly).
and when youre dead, you have no body, how to make sex with them?
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Simple answer. They atheists don't believe in made up men in the sky or little devilish men living underground. You know, the type of shit you tell kids to keep them from raping and stealing.
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The only reason people believe in an afterlife is because they fear death. Plain and simple.
No. Its because they cannot imagine life could be pointless, absurd, there has to be something better, or at least simply something else after it. They can fathom the possibility we could just be animals randomly killing each others aimlessly until we get wiped by an asteroid just like the dinosaurs. In the meanwhile we re all struggling to survive just like vegetals and other animal species. You could die at any moment struck by a car, a robber, a solar flash just like an eagle could catch a mouse in the grass. When it happens, there s no meaning, no justice or anything it just happens.
Even in religion we categorize people and even in religion there are dominating individuals and dominated individuals. But that's because it s the same everywhere in nature; it's always the same principles, alphas, and betas. Betas want to become alphas and alphas do their best to keep their place at the top. We are "intelligent" and can protect ourselves form many more dangers than other "dumber" animal species, but in the end the elites would still kill everyone else if needed, just like alpha lions would kill another male's offspring after defeating him if needed.
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For me it's always been exactly the opposite. If this life is all there is it makes it pretty simple to undertake. Since we're basically cosmic trash we're virtually without genuine purpose and will eventually return to the cloud of expanding stardust that we originated from. While here we can invent temporary purpose and live according to it, but it serves no greater end...it's barely fleeting. There's a much greater responsibility in realizing there's far more ahead. Belief in Christ comes with a price, with ridicule, with responsibility, with committment, with submission, with love, with compassion, with purpose. This short life can be lived on your terms without God....it can be virtually whatever you choose it to be.
but, there were men living in tribes everywhere on earth who didnt believe in God but were just as happy and did give a different meaning to life. Fact is gorillas, monkeys and so on all create societies with hierarchies and everyone has to know his place, just like in humans, there are alphas and so on and it's all about dominating or being dominated. Humans smell eachother's fear, we all make noises with tongue, nose, have postures, etc to show signals to others , we are all forced to accept a position in a lader, we all fight for better access to ressources etc, just like monkeys or other animal species. There is no need for a god to do so.
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No. Its because they cannot imagine life could be pointless, absurd, there has to be something better, or at least simply something else after it. They can fathom the possibility we could just be animals randomly killing each others aimlessly until we get wiped by an asteroid just like the dinosaurs.
Life is not pointless or absurd when you are enjoying it. I enjoy life. I have never aimlessly killed another, but the possibility of my getting wiped out by an asteroid exists. I'm not holding my breath until this happens though.
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No. Its because they cannot imagine life could be pointless, absurd, there has to be something better, or at least simply something else after it. They can fathom the possibility we could just be animals randomly killing each others aimlessly until we get wiped by an asteroid just like the dinosaurs. In the meanwhile we re all struggling to survive just like vegetals and other animal species.
however, were working on becoming undeathable.
well atleast the scientists do, im sure when it happens, only selected ppl will be able to get it or buy it
if they manage to put us in half robot half human body and replace the organs which fail first(youre always as old as your worst organ is in shape),then thats easy 200 years lifespan.
theres animals which reverse again process, theyre on that too,so far no avail.
and when they can manage to run the brain and eyes and nerous system, then the goal is reached.
then colonize other planets etcetc.
thats what some of the best scientists have in mind-dream of.
one of them is upset about the religions keeping down science for a while.
nice honorable thingking, but some wrong ppl will take advantage of this, as usual.
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Life is not pointless or absurd when you are enjoying it. I enjoy life. I have never aimlessly killed another, but the possibility of my getting wiped out by an asteroid exists. I'm not holding my breath until this happens though.
Your pleasure and happiness is always at the expense of someone else. Butmost people are taught it's alright; we re all passive aggressive, all pretending to be nice while calculating how to obtain as much as we can from others in order to insure our own survival. you are happy cause you were born at the right time, the economy was booming, tons of jobs, population was smaller, then it exploded, less and less jobs, more and more stress. Good for you grandpa. You were lucky, you re not worried about anything, no wonder you feel good and "dont care much about the future".
Also Laughing, joking is mostly always at the expense of someone else too. It's a defense mechanism that developed over time to face the absurd. Resources going to someone are going to lack for someone else. Nothing is free, no one is innocent. We re all animal who pretend they arent, some are luckier, better equipped to dominate than others, and will be happier. Good news if you enjoy life, it doesnt make it any less absurd intrinsically tho, especially for those who arent as lucky.
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however, were working on becoming undeathable.
well atleast the scientists do, im sure when it happens, only selected ppl will be able to get it or buy it
if they manage to put us in half robot half human body and replace the organs which fail first(youre always as old as your worst organ is in shape),then thats easy 200 years lifespan.
theres animals which reverse again process, theyre on that too,so far no avail.
and when they can manage to run the brain and eyes and nerous system, then the goal is reached.
then colonize other planets etcetc.
thats what some of the best scientists have in mind-dream of.
one of them is upset about the religions keeping down science for a while.
nice honorable thingking, but some wrong ppl will take advantage of this, as usual.
you know, a student doesnt study to better the world. .. he study to survive, dominate others and get a lot of money. And his parents teach him to defend himself and dominate others; to be nice to those he will have interest to know, and to kill , ignore, eradicate those who will be an obstacle in his struggle for survival. This is what we are doing. We teach our kids to dominate instead of being dominated, justlike parents in other animal species teach their offsrping to defend, fight and dominate instead of being dominate/killed. We dont even choose any of it, not more than other animal, it's just programmed, enbeded in us and we do it subconsciously. And life goes on until for some random reason it gets annihilated by some random force or law of physics.
Why does life exist? Most will answer; to be happy, the point of life is hapiness. Yeah. Great. And how do you become happy? by dominating other life forms.
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however, were working on becoming undeathable.
well atleast the scientists do, im sure when it happens, only selected ppl will be able to get it or buy it
if they manage to put us in half robot half human body and replace the organs which fail first(youre always as old as your worst organ is in shape),then thats easy 200 years lifespan.
theres animals which reverse again process, theyre on that too,so far no avail.
and when they can manage to run the brain and eyes and nerous system, then the goal is reached.
then colonize other planets etcetc.
thats what some of the best scientists have in mind-dream of.
one of them is upset about the religions keeping down science for a while.
nice honorable thingking, but some wrong ppl will take advantage of this, as usual.
Ok, then what do we do once our evolved grandgrand grand kids reach a planet. They work, drink, eat, fuck get in fights, someone wants that beach, someone want that hill...someone wants control of that shiny stone,of that ass, someone wants control of that funny plant that makes you feel good - when you smoke it; one dude is bigger than the other dude , but the smaller dude developed more intelligence to survive and compensate of his lack of muscle mass...and there we go again, conflict, physical, psychological war ad vitam eternam. Struggle, inequalities, wars over and over again. Fact is everysingle lifeform has noting else to do of its whole existence but struggle for its own survival.
I am afraid mankind will simply die out out of boredom. We re not "evolving ", and people in the west , the so called most advanced civilizations, are decimated by ever increasing rates of suicides you just dont hear about it -and there are many people living off of it-. Fact is we re just monkeys with more diversified, complex ways of interacting, but the bottom line is and will universally and eternally be the same; someone is spawned by someone else, and he has to struggle for survival, fight, or die from day one to his last. Being sucesful at surving makes you happy, being unsucesful for whatever reason frustrates you.
Life is a giant pointless random butchery. Humans have different ways to express, channel their inner energy, themselves, their libido; destroy or create. When they re frustrated they often destroy, when they re "happy" they create or are slaves earning their living. We re all slaves of life that spawned us even if we never asked anything in the first place. And we re all supposed to play the game, a game that is simply sumed by "killing or getting killed" for every single lifeform on earth. So;e people are better fit to play the game, start with a full deck, while others dont. Just like some animals are spawned with disabilites and others dont. Humans created charity and care because it gave jobs to some of them, because it could translate into a lucrative activity. In other animal species they ignore the weak and old, because they didnt develop economic systems , money. In our specie, we use the weak and old to make a living out of them and because we need their knowledges to better our own odds of survival.
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some look forward to death, 70+ virgin waiting for them
very nice sexual promise.
but i wouldnt sign such contract, you never know if those virgons are hot, maybeits the bottom barral virgins who never got fucked for a reason(being ugly).
and when youre dead, you have no body, how to make sex with them?
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but, there were men living in tribes everywhere on earth who didnt believe in God but were just as happy and did give a different meaning to life. Fact is gorillas, monkeys and so on all create societies with hierarchies and everyone has to know his place, just like in humans, there are alphas and so on and it's all about dominating or being dominated. Humans smell eachother's fear, we all make noises with tongue, nose, have postures, etc to show signals to others , we are all forced to accept a position in a lader, we all fight for better access to ressources etc, just like monkeys or other animal species. There is no need for a god to do so.
Agreed and as I noted above:
This short life can be lived on your terms without God....it can be virtually whatever you choose it to be.
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Hard atheists spend more time discussing God and religion than theists do LOL....figures they'd have a "church" so they can "avoid religion".
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It's really simple.
The more intelligent you are - the more you respect your ability to research and understand the world around you. The more you understand how far the human race has come in understanding the physical world around them.
Cut to people who have suspended all that, in favour of faith.
Most of them are dumb c u n t s and it wouldn't matter if they are intelligent - they're not using or developing it whilst they studiously keep their head in the sand.
A typical example of this would be the frequently broached concept of when science admits it was "wrong" and reframes estimates associated with physics. The religious see this as confirmation that god exists and science is hokum. The intelligent people see this as progress and an increased accuracy - which still does not verify a man in the sky who gives Derek Anthony a kidney and lets better people die, every day.
If you're offended by the idea that you're being mostly in the company of dumb c u n t s, research average IQ by religious affiliation.
If you're still offended by this fact, console yourself by placing yourself at the rightmost end of the bell curve that defines the range of intelligence of your faith. Chances are - if you know what the bell curve is, you should be smart enough to drag yourself to the right side
The thing you have to remember is that being smarter than someone does not mean you "win". There is no correlation between intelligence and happiness (certainly no positive correlation - and plenty that points to the opposite) and however you look at it, we are at the top of the food chain - there is only really one reason to exist and that's to enjoy life.
There is no essential truth to the idea that people in the first world are "happier" than those in the third world. If your frame of reference is that you really want a new bucket for christmas and you don't know any better - are you less "happy" on the day than some snot nose shithead in the US gets his new playstation? Of course not. It means nothing. There is only that which is in the eye of the beholder.
On the whole, Jews are amongst the most intelligent of the religious people I have witnessed - in terms of their leaders having their shit together. They have answers for questions that Christians will lie, or dodge like the plague. Say what you want about Jews - they aren't afraid of physics and that in itself has my respect. Typical christian bullshit involves sensationalising something to make a hasty exit.
This is a waste of a friday night, answering this shit - you're going to believe what you want to believe, you are an individual and words like "most" apply in terms of averages. All that I would say is it's constantly mystifying how closed minded most religious people are (hence the smarter idea) and you can't blame atheists for thinking that - regardless of the truth of the matter - there are millions of experiments that prove we know what we're talking about to a far greater extent than a book from thousands of years ago mistranslated, misrepresented and often selectively believed in could ever hope to satisfy anybody with a shred of self respect (for their own intellect), could.
I have heard christians talk about the complexity of biology as their stimulus for their beliefs - and I can get behind that, because at the very least it's based on some level of logical thought. I mean, it's a big step for many to accept that regression iteration could produce such incredible complexity and I wouldn't really blame anybody for struggling to get their head around that.
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LOL - Self converted Atheist
Matt was raised as a Baptist Christian and sought to become a Baptist minister. His religious studies, instead of bolstering his faith as he intended, led to him no longer believing Christianity and, eventually, all religions. Only until recently, Matt was the president of the Atheist Community of Austin
"I want to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible." - Matt Dillahunty
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LOL - Self converted Atheist
Matt was raised as a Baptist Christian and sought to become a Baptist minister. His religious studies, instead of bolstering his faith as he intended, led to him no longer believing Christianity and, eventually, all religions. Only until recently, Matt was the president of the Atheist Community of Austin
"I want to believe as many true things as possible and as few false things as possible." - Matt Dillahunty
The atheist bible is a collection of works: The God Delusion, Atlas Shrugged, A Brief History of Time and the collected writings of David Hume
Atheist mega-preachers are Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins and Dan Dennett (note for the late Christopher Hitchens as well). Head of the atheist deacons is Matt Dillahunty.
Atheist hymnals? Couldn't say, but I figure John Lennon's "Imagine" would be sung often.
"Sought"....that's a great word people sling around. I've sought out many things myself, but I claim virtually none of them. Matt did not attend seminary or have any religious "schooling". It's just padding for his atheist resume....makes him look "legit". It's like saying "I work at law firm and currently we're working on two big cases." The implication for most being "I'm an attorney that attended law school" when in fact you're neither, but yes you worked for the firm in some capacity.....could be reception, could be IT, could be accounting.
Now here's the reality. Matt is an honest, intelligent man who has acquired a great deal of knowledge who is also a skilled, spirited debator. I've seen his public atheist program based out of Austin many, many times and I've watched many of their youtube broadcasts as well. I've also watched a few of his debates on youtube.
He and his crew could teach a master class in the art of the condescending smile.
Matt Dillahunty would definitely be on the top of the list to replace the late Christoper Hitchens as one of the Four Horsemen.
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to be honest, atheism is a depressing religion. I have written many things on here, to my "virtual audience" and e-friends, but i have never been able to come up with anything that encourages life, so I think it should be better for everyone to refrain from pretending to know "the truth" especially if that truth destroys life instead of promoting it, and to let people find the answer in God himself, instead of me. I'm just a man.
All I can say is that I have been saved two times now. Ill keep doubting, and hope Love will allow me to stop doubting.
I'll keep telling my thoughts cause im human and need to share,but only when they are positive tho -ill try my best-, and advise people again to listen to God directly instead of me. After all most of the genuinely positive stuff i wrote i deducted from reading the Bible, not from observing the world with atheist eyes.
I would like to thank MOS for his genuine humble faith, the way he spreads it and arce who I hope will understand the best of what i ve come with, was inspired by God Himself.
He is the alpha and the omega, an He sees all. Men are nothing compared to Him.
Hope I'm not too pompous, God doesnt want our lives to be pompous, he wants them to be fulfiled , full of joy, we are the ones who dont want to often because we want to be god himself. The possibility to make a choice exists.
God is in every single of us, he is the best of ourselves.
A very interesting website; http://www.godandscience.org/
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Matt Dillahunty would definitely be on the top of the list to replace the late Christoper Hitchens as one of the Four Horsemen.
I suspect Christoper Hitchens was God himself who visited briefly in a failed attempt to eradicate religion and get the millions of god botherers off his back. ;D
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! "I has a baseball"
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Just because a belief is from the past, doesnt mean it is inappropriate or "wrong" because things have "evolved". Nothing evolved. We re the same. The basic rules of life never and will never evolved. There are many things from the past that are still useful nowadays, and will still be in the future.
We got access to new stuff, but the need to do a good use of what we re allowed to discover still necessitates faith/spirituality, or our intelligence and strenghts would be badly used and could destroy everything. Also there are many things we still dont understand. Many times in the past did men need to restart, re learn everything after destroying it all. It could have happened somewhere else in the universe. Again there are many things we dont know, we dont see. But there are things we know work, and we often write them on stone, paper , keyboard to get recognition, a salary, and to improve other people lives in return.
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I tend to look at it this way.
No parent ever tells their children everything when they are first born or even after a year of two. Such knowledge comes with the passage of time when they are better equipped to understand it. This may be how it is for us. Or, it may not.
All the best.
anthropomorphism; you explain how an entity works by subconsciously giving it human traits because that's all you know/been exposed to. Still, it doesnt mean you re wrong and I personally think the same. It makes sense.
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to be honest, atheism is a depressing religion. I have written many things on here, to my "virtual audience" and e-friends, but i have never been able to come up with anything that encourages life, so I think it should be better for everyone to refrain from pretending to know "the truth" especially if that truth destroys life instead of promoting it, and to let people find the answer in God himself, instead of me. I'm just a man.
All I can say is that I have been saved two times now. Ill keep doubting, and hope Love will allow me to stop doubting.
I'll keep telling my thoughts cause im human and need to share,but only when they are positive tho -ill try my best-, and advise people again to listen to God directly instead of me. After all most of the genuinely positive stuff i wrote i deducted from reading the Bible, not from observing the world with atheist eyes.
I would like to thank MOS for his genuine humble faith, the way he spreads it and arce who I hope will understand the best of what i ve come with, was inspired by God Himself.
He is the alpha and the omega, an He sees all. Men are nothing compared to Him.
Hope I'm not too pompous, God doesnt want our lives to be pompous, he wants them to be fulfiled , full of joy, we are the ones who dont want to often because we want to be god himself. The possibility to make a choice exists.
God is in every single of us, he is the best of ourselves.
A very interesting website; http://www.godandscience.org/
I read a lot of heart, humility and strength in this post!!! Thanks uberman!!
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Uberman you fucking moron, atheism is not a religion by definiton.
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Just because a belief is from the past, doesnt mean it is inappropriate or "wrong" because things have "evolved". Nothing evolved. We re the same. The basic rules of life never and will never evolved. There are many things from the past that are still useful nowadays, and will still be in the future.
We got access to new stuff, but the need to do a good use of what we re allowed to discover still necessitates faith/spirituality, or our intelligence and strenghts would be badly used and could destroy everything. Also there are many things we still dont understand. Many times in the past did men need to restart, re learn everything after destroying it all. It could have happened somewhere else in the universe. Again there are many things we dont know, we dont see. But there are things we know work, and we often write them on stone, paper , keyboard to get recognition, a salary, and to improve other people lives in return.
Yes, but belief is just belief. Hard facts are hard facts, and none of the religions include no such thing. That's why I have strong belive that you are moron, and it tends to be better proven than your belief of god. In fact, you don't have any way to prove even a little bit about the base of your religion, the god, because there is only belief. You are believer of BS, and nothing more.
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Simple answer. They atheists don't believe in made up men in the sky or little devilish men living underground. You know, the type of shit you tell kids to keep them from raping and stealing.
This. A load of cack that made no sense when I first heard it and still makes no sense 25 years later.
A God. in 2013. Lol. Thought only Muslims were dumb enough to believe fairy tales
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Uberman you fucking moron, atheism is not a religion by definiton.
But it can become one...This. A load of cack that made no sense when I first heard it and still makes no sense 25 years later.
A God. in 2013. Lol. Thought only Muslims were dumb enough to believe fairy tales
Yeah I know, in 2013 humans still kill one another---whether it be over jealousy, greed, race, religion, sex, ethnicity, power, fame, drugs, etc
And in 2013, we are still learning about the human body, the mind, and cough, the soul.
In 2013, we are still discovering new species of animals and plants, and we haven't had underwater colonies yet...
But, damn all this we haven't done yet the embodiment of good and evil (God and The Devil) instill so much emotion from people who supposedly don't believe in them...
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But it can become one...Yeah I know, in 2013 humans still kill one another---whether it be over jealousy, greed, race, religion, sex, ethnicity, power, fame, drugs, etc
And in 2013, we are still learning about the human body, the mind, and cough, the soul.
In 2013, we are still discovering new species of animals and plants, and we haven't had underwater colonies yet...
But, damn all this we haven't done yet the embodiment of good and evil (God and The Devil) instill so much emotion from people who supposedly don't believe in them...
It's not just a matter of belief, it's that belief in GOD leads to organised religion which leads to all kinds of suffering and torment for countless human beings. That's why people get pissed off with it.
And atheism becoming a religion is about as much a chance of NOT PLAYING GOLF becoming a favorite past-time.