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Good? Bad? Indifferent?
I'm on the fence about this one. If it was my ass in captivity, I would want the trade, lol. But, I also think it sends a bad message.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/01/chuck-hagel-susan-rice-defend-decision-to-trade-terror-suspects-for-bergdahl-swap/
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I'm unfortunately going to be involved in this thing up to my ass as soon as he gets transferred back here. At this point don't expect him to get in any trouble.
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on the gossip main board, they're saying he deserted, while over there. In the middle of the night, left all his things and snuck off base to be with enemy?
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on the gossip main board, they're saying he deserted, while over there. In the middle of the night, left all his things and snuck off base to be with enemy?
Someome also posted Tweets his full bearded Muslim father made saying he wanted all Gitmo prisoners released, and some pretty anti American stuff.
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Someome also posted Tweets his full bearded Muslim father made saying he wanted all Gitmo prisoners released, and some pretty anti American stuff.
??? Wow.
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Lets see if this assclown gets the Jessica Lynch treatment, think its to late for that though, to much info already out there. Hope he spends his remaining days a resident of levenworth
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He was supposed to go back to his unit...which would have resulted in a lot of trouble...now he goes home and out through Kentucky. I'll be herding all the media for this all week.
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It turns out this shady "trading" practice with terr'ists goes way back. Reagan did it, too. I've always seen him as one of the greats, but his love of amnesty and now, I'm just learning about this... I dunno, I pictured Reagan as the kind to tell Iran to give us back our people or we're going to deliver 1500 missiles not in trucks, from from the clouds in a much louder fashion.
Ronald Reagan Gave Iran 1,500 Missiles for Hostages.
Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home."
The arms-for-hostages proposal divided the administration. Longtime policy adversaries Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz opposed the deal, but Reagan, McFarlane and CIA director William Casey supported it. With the backing of the president, the plan progressed. By the time the sales were discovered, more than 1,500 missiles had been shipped to Iran. Three hostages had been released, only to be replaced with three more, in what Secretary of State George Shultz called "a hostage bazaar."
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It turns out this shady "trading" practice with terr'ists goes way back. Reagan did it, too. I've always seen him as one of the greats, but his love of amnesty and now, I'm just learning about this... I dunno, I pictured Reagan as the kind to tell Iran to give us back our people or we're going to deliver 1500 missiles not in trucks, from from the clouds in a much louder fashion.
Ronald Reagan Gave Iran 1,500 Missiles for Hostages.
Reagan was driven by a different obsession. He had become frustrated at his inability to secure the release of the seven American hostages being held by Iranian terrorists in Lebanon. As president, Reagan felt that "he had the duty to bring those Americans home."
The arms-for-hostages proposal divided the administration. Longtime policy adversaries Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger and Secretary of State George Shultz opposed the deal, but Reagan, McFarlane and CIA director William Casey supported it. With the backing of the president, the plan progressed. By the time the sales were discovered, more than 1,500 missiles had been shipped to Iran. Three hostages had been released, only to be replaced with three more, in what Secretary of State George Shultz called "a hostage bazaar."
I can't tell if you're a closet liberal or you just hate hypocrisy with a passion?
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According to first-hand accounts from soldiers in his platoon, Bergdahl, while on guard duty, shed his weapons and walked off the observation post with nothing more than a compass, a knife, water, a digital camera, and a diary.
At least six soldiers were killed in subsequent searches for Bergdahl, and many soldiers in his platoon said attacks seemed to increase against the United States in Paktika Provice in the days and weeks following his disappearance.
Many of Bergdahl's fellow troops -- from the seven or so who knew him best in his squad, to the larger group that comprised the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division -- told CNN that they signed nondisclosure agreements agreeing to never share any information about Bergdahl's disappearance and the efforts to recapture him. Some were willing to dismiss that document in hopes that the truth would come out about a soldier who they now fear is being hailed as a hero, while the men who lost their lives looking for him are ignored.
Many are flocking to social media, such as the Facebook page "Bowe Bergdahl is NOT a hero," where they share stories detailing their resentment. A number of comments on his battalion's Facebook page prompted the moderator to ask for more respect to be shown.
- See more at: http://www.winknews.com/National-World/2014-06-02/Fellow-soldiers-call-Bowe-Bergdahl-a-deserter-not-a-hero#sthash.EINJF7Gf.dpuf
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If this is true, then the USA should have left him rot. But, then again, the traitorinchief is looking for anyway to close Gitmo.Look at what that "POW" supposedly stated prior to being "captured" (looks like he deserted):
“I am sorry for everything here,” he wrote. “These people need help, yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid.”
Bergdahl also complained about fellow soldiers. The battalion commander was a “conceited old fool,” he said, and the only “decent” sergeants, planning to leave the platoon “as soon as they can,” told the privates — Bergdahl then among them — “to do the same.”
“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”
One night, after finishing a guard-duty shift Bowe Bergdahl asked his team leader whether there would be a problem if he left camp with his rifle and night-vision goggles — to which the team leader replied “yes.”
Bergdahl then returned to his bunker, picked up a knife, water, his diary and a camera, and left camp, according to Rolling Stone.The next morning, he was reported missing, and later that day, a drone and four fighter jets began to search for him.
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Jesus...jumping through my ass today on this shit.....I guess Robin Meade is rolling in shortly.
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Bombshell: First words of Bergdahl’s father at White House were Arabic:
http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bombshell-first-words-bergdahls-father-white-house-arabic/
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http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/objective-military-assessment-bowe-bergdahl-case/
on the gossip main board, they're saying he deserted, while over there. In the middle of the night, left all his things and snuck off base to be with enemy?
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If this Guy Deserted and gave Information which resulted in casualties to his Regiment.. he should be kicked out of the US and his Muslim loving Family too. In the older days he would be shot. I remember Joining the British Army in Stirling Scotland and seeing a Picture on the wall in the Recruiting Office, "There is no finer Profession than that of a Soldier". The worst Thing a Man can do is Desert and Betray his Comrades.
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Its going to be awhile before the story comes out. My organization will be handling him while he recovers but as to the debrief....could be months.
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Not sure what I think about this. I like the fact we don't leave anyone behind, even if they don't deserve to be rescued, but I don't like the fact we gave up five people who are probably responsible for the death of Americans and will likely be back on the battlefield trying to kill more Americans.
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This could get ugly.
Susan Rice: Bergdahl Served With 'Honor and Distinction'
9:12 AM, JUN 2, 2014 • BY DANIEL HALPER
President Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, said on ABC that Bowe Bergdahl "served the United States with honor and distinction" and that "Sergeant Bergdahl wasn't simply a hostage; he was an American prisoner of war captured on the battlefield,"
“Certainly anybody who's been held in those conditions, in captivity for five years, has paid an extraordinary price. But that is really not the point. The point is that he's back,” Rice told ABC host George Stephanopoulos when asked whether Bergdahl was a deserter and whether he'd face punishment.
“He is going to be safely reunited with his family. He served the United States with honor and distinction. And we’ll have the opportunity eventually to learn what has transpired in the past years, but what's most important now is his health and well being, that he have the opportunity to recover in peace and security and be reunited with his family. Which is why this is such a joyous day.”
Elsewhere in the interview, Rice says, "Sergeant Bergdahl wasn't simply a hostage; he was an American prisoner of war captured on the battlefield." She adds, "We have a sacred obligation that we have upheld since the founding of our republic to do our utmost to bring back our men and women who are taken in battle, and we did that in this instance."
As Bill Kristol said this morning on TV, "There's a lot of reporting that he wasn't taken in battle. He seems to have deserted or at least gone AWOL. He may have cooperated with the enemy after they captured him. Soldiers have died trying to find him. His own platoon and his own battalion, company and battalion, seem to have come under a lot more attacks after he was taken. The degree of anger amongst soldiers, on email and on listservs, is unbelievable. And that needs to be taken seriously.
"Those are the people who fought, who fought in the same company in some cases, and who feel like they sacrificed to get this guy back who may have behaved at best irresponsibly and at worst worse. And we need to have honesty about that. There was a big Army investigation--what did Susan Rice know? What did President Obama know about the investigation about Bergdahl?
"It's one thing to trade terrorists for a real POW, someone who was taken on the battlefield fighting honorably for our country. It's another thing to trade away 5 high-ranking terrorists to someone who walked away."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/susan-rice-bergdahl-served-honor-and-distinction_794066.html
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Someone shoulda fragged this fuck. Then droned his old man.
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Bombshell: First words of Bergdahl’s father at White House were Arabic:
http://allenbwest.com/2014/06/bombshell-first-words-bergdahls-father-white-house-arabic/
If Obama was any kind of man he would have slapped that fool in the back of the head and knocked him over the podium when he started that shit..
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Its going to be awhile before the story comes out. My organization will be handling him while he recovers but as to the debrief....could be months.
Give him hell, make getbig proud ;D
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Interesting shit today...Army is trying to make sure we don't make him look like a hero. JUts do what we need to...to help him recover. Obama is free to do what he wants
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This is powerful commentary by one of his fellow Soldiers. I'm starting to form an opinion about this . . . .
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
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This is powerful commentary by one of his fellow Soldiers. I'm starting to form an opinion about this . . . .
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
Admirable that you don't jump to conclusions like the rest of us... lol
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Looks like Obama illegally aided a traitor, if that's the case that would (like I've been saying all along) a traitor as well. There's only one punishment for a traitor.
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He left a note before deserting his unit:
WASHINGTON — Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.
That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=1#
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He left a note before deserting his unit:
WASHINGTON — Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.
That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/us/us-soldier-srgt-bowe-bergdahl-of-idaho-pow-vanished-angered-his-unit.html?hp&_r=1#
Cool, it will be harder for Obama to cover up when there's physical evidence.
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Other soldiers state he deserted. I think I will take their word over a lying, failed community orgarnizer and the den of rats he calls his administration.
Military-related blogs, Twitter accounts and Facebook pages were filled with screeds from commenters accusing Bergdahl of being a “traitor” or a Taliban “collaborator.” The online publication The Daily Beast published a nearly 2,000-word first-person account by a former Army infantry officer who said he was privy to details of Bergdahl’s disappearance and who stated flatly that “he was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.”
The mother of one of six soldiers who’ve been identified as being killed in circumstances related to the search for Bergdahl was furious over the opaque handling of the case, telling Army Times that the Pentagon “really owes the parents of these fallen soldiers the truth.”
But instead of addressing the desertion issue head-on, complained many military analysts and war veterans, the Obama administration is allowing the debate to fester, only deepening the skepticism of current and former service members who demand to know how Bergdahl left his unit, how many U.S. forces were killed in the search effort, and whether there are plans to conduct a legal review of his case and, if necessary, prosecute him.
Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status.“He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.”
Angry commentators took special aim at National Security Adviser Susan Rice’s televised remarks Sunday that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.” They also bristled at Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s surprise visit Sunday to Afghanistan, where he praised the operation that freed Bergdahl but never mentioned the desertion issue before an audience of U.S. service members who undoubtedly have seen the debate swirling around the case.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/06/02/229148/anger-explodes-over-treatment.html#storylink=cpy
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646425/Taliban-prisoner-swap-ILLEGAL-claims-GOP-former-federal-prosecutor-claims-lead-Obamas-IMPEACHMENT.html
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jeffrey-toobin-obama-clearly-broke-the-law-on-bergdahl
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646764/Bearded-Pashto-speaking-father-Bowe-Bergdahl-fire-tweeting-Taliban-spokesman-God-repay-death-Afghan-child.html
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For all that, the administration’s handling of the matter raised some troubling questions. In releasing five senior Taliban commanders from Guantanamo Bay prison to the de facto custody of Qatar, Mr. Obama appears to have sidestepped a law requiring that Congress be notified before such releases from Guantanamo take place. The Afghan government, which was not informed of the prisoner swap before it took place, angrily alleged that it also violated international law by transferring detainees to a third country. Congressional Republicans charged that the administration had breached its policy of refusing to negotiate with terrorists — a precept it confirmed just weeks ago in advising Nigeria’s government not to negotiate with the Boko Haram movement about abducted schoolgirls.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/was-price-to-win-release-of-an-american-soldier-from-taliban-captivity-too-high/2014/06/02/7ee295e4-ea72-11e3-93d2-edd4be1f5d9e_story.html
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/06/03/bergdahl-never-listed-by-pentagon-as-prisoner-of-war/
That is because he was a traitor and a deserter - of course Obama loves him.
Seriously - Obama is as bad as it gets - but this is just speechless level of treason.
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Obama stepping on your little head already today huh?
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Obama stepping on your little already today huh?
Even hitler and stalin had their little fan boys till the end
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'Taliban Dream Team': Who are the 5 prisoners traded for Bergdahl's freedom?
Published June 02, 2014
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A top Republican senator called Monday for an “immediate hearing” to investigate the controversial release of five Taliban prisoners in exchange for American Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s freedom, as he and others raised alarm that the administration just freed the “Taliban Dream Team.”
New questions are surfacing about the terms of the deal, as details emerge about the Guantanamo Bay prisoners sent to Qatar in exchange for Bergdahl – who was a Taliban captive in Afghanistan for the past five years.
Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., sent a letter to the leaders of the Senate Armed Services Committee calling for a hearing. He said the prisoners “have American blood on their hands and surely as night follows day they will return to the fight.”
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on Sunday called the five former detainees “the hardest of the hard-core” and “the highest high-risk people,” who are “possibly responsible for the deaths of thousands.” In the interview on CBS’ “Face the Nation,” he noted others that have been released have “gone back into the fight.”
So who are these terror leaders the U.S. helped put back in circulation, and just how dangerous are they?
Experts tell Fox News the men served in various military and intelligence roles linked to Al Qaeda before being sent to the U.S. detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
The Joint Task Force Guantanamo classified all five as “high” risk to the U.S. Two of the five men are “wanted” by the United Nations on war crimes for the deaths of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan.
The Taliban has long pushed for the release of the men who have been called the “GITMO Five” – a group of experienced jihadists who helped run the terror organization’s operations in pre-9/11 Afghanistan.
Here’s a closer look at the five Taliban commanders released in exchange for Bergdahl:
Abdul Haq Wasiq
Thought to be in his early 40s, Wasiq served as the Taliban deputy minister of intelligence and “had direct access to Taliban and Hezb-e-Islami Gulbuddin leadership,” according to an internal memo that assessed risk at Guantanamo. He reportedly used his office to support Al Qaeda “and to assist Taliban personnel elude capture.” He also reportedly arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff. Wasiq belongs to the Khogyani Tribe and began his religious training under his father, Muhammad Saleem, who died in 1981.Three years later, he went to study Islam at Warah, a school located on the Afghanistan-Pakistan border near the Khyber Pass. When the Taliban assumed control in Afghanistan, a number of Islamic students, including Wasiq, went to Kabul. Wasiq has been accused by Human Rights Watch of mass killings and torture. According to a report by the Joint Task Force Guantanamo, Wasiq “arranged for Al Qaeda personnel to train Taliban intelligence staff in intelligence methods.”
Mullah Norullah Noori
As a senior Taliban military commander, Noori has been described in government reports as a military mastermind of sorts who engaged in hostilities “against U.S. and Coalition forces in Zabul Province.” Noori, who is estimated to be around 46 or 47 years old, has developed close ties to Taliban leader Mullah Omar and other senior Taliban officials, according to a JTF-GTMO report. Noori, who was named as the Taliban governor for the Balkh and Lagman provinces, is wanted by the United Nations for war crimes including the murder and torture of thousands of Shiite Muslims. Noori has been able to remain a “significant figure” to Taliban supporters and sympathizers. According to government records, which are based on conversations with Noori, he grew up in Shajoy where he learned to read and write at a mosque in his village. His father was the imam at the mosque. As a boy, he worked as a farmer on his father’s land. In March 1999, he traveled to Kabul where he met with Mullah Yunis, the commander of the Taliban security base, and expressed interest in joining the Taliban. After the Taliban front lines fell in November 2001, Noori traveled to Konduz where he was trained and worked with Omar. Noori has been implicated in the murder of thousands of Shiites in northern Afghanistan. When asked about the killings, Noori “did not express any regret and stated they did what they needed to do in their struggle to establish their ‘ideal state.’”
Mullah Mohammad Fazi
As the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister, Fazi was held at Guantanamo after being identified as an enemy combatant by the United States. Fazi is an admitted senior commander who served as chief of staff of the Taliban Army and as a commander of its 22nd Division. He’s also wanted by the United Nations on war crimes for the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims in Afghanistan. According to documents, Fazi “wielded considerable influence throughout the northern region of Afghanistan and his influence continued after his capture.” The Taliban has used Fazi’s capture as a recruiting tool. “If released, detainee would likely rejoin the Taliban and establish ties” with other terrorist groups, the Guantanamo report says.
Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa
Khairkhwa is the former governor of the Herat province and has close ties with Usama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. According to the Joint Task Force Guantanamo file, Khairkhwa “represented the Taliban during meetings with Iranian officials seeking to support hostilities against US and coalition forces.” Khairkhwa and his deputies are suspected of being associated with an extremist military training camp run by the Al Qaeda commander Abu Musab al Zarqawi, who was killed in 2006. U.S. authorities have also accused Khairkhwa of becoming a powerful opium trafficker.
Mohammad Nabi Omari
As a senior Taliban leader, Nabi Omari has held multiple leadership roles in various terror-related groups. Pre-9/11, Nabi, who is estimated to be in his mid-40s, worked border security for the Taliban – a position that gave him “access to senior Taliban commander and leader of the Haqqani Network, Jalaluddin Haqqani,” according to the JTF-GTMO report. Born in the Khowst Province of Afghanistan, Nabi Omari and his family were forced to resettle as refugees though In Miram Shah, Pakistan after the Soviet Union’s occupation in Afghanistan. In the late 1980s, Nabi Omari returned to Afghanistan where he fought with the mujahideen against the Soviets. During the early 1990s, he ping-ponged between Taliban-related positions and others, including a stint as a used car salesman. In August 2002, Nabi reportedly helped two al Qaeda operatives smuggle missiles in Pakistan. The weapons were smuggled in pieces and the plan was to reassemble the missiles once all of the pieces had been brought across. Nabi was caught in September 2002 and eventually moved to Guantanamo.
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Bowe Bergdahl’s Vanishing Before Capture Angered His Unit
By ERIC SCHMITT, HELENE COOPER and CHARLIE SAVAGEJUNE 2, 2014
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WASHINGTON — Sometime after midnight on June 30, 2009, Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl left behind a note in his tent saying he had become disillusioned with the Army, did not support the American mission in Afghanistan and was leaving to start a new life. He slipped off the remote military outpost in Paktika Province on the border with Pakistan and took with him a soft backpack, water, knives, a notebook and writing materials, but left behind his body armor and weapons — startling, given the hostile environment around his outpost.
That account, provided by a former senior military officer briefed on the investigation into the private’s disappearance, is part of a more complicated picture emerging of the capture of a soldier whose five years as a Taliban prisoner influenced high-level diplomatic negotiations, brought in foreign governments, and ended with him whisked away on a helicopter by American commandos.
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The release of Sergeant Bergdahl (he was promoted in captivity) has created political problems for the Obama administration, which is having to defend his exchange for five Taliban detainees held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, but it also presents delicate politics for Republicans who are attacking, through surrogates, America’s last known prisoner of war.
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Prisoner swap or negotiations with terrorists? Questions arise after the freeing of five senior Taliban figures in exchange for the American soldier Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl.
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The furious search for Sergeant Bergdahl, his critics say, led to the deaths of at least two soldiers and possibly six others in the area. Pentagon officials say those charges are unsubstantiated and are not supported by a review of a database of casualties in the Afghan war.
“Yes, I’m angry,” Joshua Cornelison, a former medic in Sergeant Bergdahl’s platoon, said in an interview on Monday arranged by Republican strategists. “Everything that we did in those days was to advance the search for Bergdahl. If we were doing some mission and there was a reliable report that Bergdahl was somewhere, our orders were that we were to quit that mission and follow that report.”
Sergeant Bergdahl slipped away from his outpost, the former senior officer said, possibly on foot but more likely hiding in a contractor’s vehicle. “He didn’t walk out the gate through a checkpoint, and there was no evidence he breached the perimeter wire and left that way,” the ex-officer said.
It was not until the 9 a.m. roll call on June 30 that the 29 soldiers of Second Platoon, Blackfoot Company, learned he was gone.
“I was woken up by my platoon leader,” said Mr. Cornelison, who had gone to sleep just three hours before after serving watch from 11 p.m. to 2 a.m. “Hey Doc,” his platoon leader said. “Have you seen Bergdahl?”
Platoon members said Sergeant Bergdahl, of Hailey, Idaho, was known as bookish and filled with romantic notions that some found odd.
“He wouldn’t drink beer or eat barbecue and hang out with the other 20-year-olds,” Cody Full, another member of Sergeant Bergdahl’s platoon, said in an interview on Monday also arranged by Republican strategists. “He was always in his bunk. He ordered Rosetta Stone for all the languages there, learning Dari and Arabic and Pashto.”
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The soldiers began a frantic search for Sergeant Bergdahl using Predator drones, Apache attack helicopters and military tracking dogs. The most intense search operation, leaked war reports show, wound down after eight days — well before the deaths of six soldiers on patrols in Paktika Province in late August and early September. But, complicating matters, some soldiers contend they were effectively searching for 90 days because of clear orders: If they heard rumors from locals that Sergeant Bergdahl might be nearby, they should patrol the area.
Mr. Full, then a specialist in the platoon, said he and other platoon members grew increasingly bitter at the time they were spending looking for Sergeant Bergdahl. “He had sent all his belongings home — his computer, personal items,” said Mr. Full, now 25. He said Sergeant Bergdahl used to gaze at the mountains around them and say he wondered if he could get to China from there. Other platoon members said that Sergeant Bergdahl wrote Jason Bourne-type novels in which he inserted himself as the lead character.
The anger toward Sergeant Bergdahl increased exponentially after Sept. 4, when they learned that two members of Third Platoon, which routinely went on tandem missions with Second Platoon and who they believed were also searching for Sergeant Bergdahl, had been killed in an ambush. Pfc. Matthew Martinek and Lt. Darryn Andrews, both of them friends of Mr. Cornelison, died in the ambush. A Defense Department official said it was unclear whether the two men were killed directly because of the search for Sergeant Bergdahl.
Some soldiers have also contended that the Taliban, knowing the units were out searching extensively for Sergeant Bergdahl, chose July 4, 2009, to attack another combat outpost, which was nearly overrun and several soldiers were killed. But American military officers said they saw no evidence that the Taliban started the attack on the outpost because they thought everyone would be out searching for Sergeant Bergdahl.
A second former senior military officer, who also was briefed on the Bergdahl investigation, said there was no direct evidence that diversion of surveillance aircraft or troops to search for Sergeant Bergdahl encouraged the Taliban attacks, or left other American troops vulnerable. “This was a dangerous region in Afghanistan in the middle of the ‘fighting season,’ ” the officer said in an email, adding that although the search “could have created some opportunities for the enemy,” it is “difficult to establish a direct cause and effect.”
A review of the database of casualties in the Afghan war suggests that Sergeant Bergdahl’s critics appear to be blaming him for every American soldier killed in Paktika Province in the four-month period that followed his disappearance.
Mr. Cornelison and Mr. Full both said they wanted to see Sergeant Bergdahl court-martialed as a deserter. “I’m not going to speak on the political, but I think that now that he’s back, he needs to be held accountable,” Mr. Full said.
Mr. Cornelison echoed Mr. Full. “I won’t get into the politics, but now that he’s back he needs to be held 100 percent accountable,” he said. “For putting myself and 29 other people in my platoon in hell for 90 days.”
Rear Adm. John F. Kirby, the Pentagon spokesman, said that there was a larger matter at play: The American military does not leave soldiers behind. “When you’re in the Navy, and you go overboard, it doesn’t matter if you were pushed, fell or jumped,” he said. “We’re going to turn the ship around and pick you up.”
Eric Schmitt and Charlie Savage reported from Washington, and Helene Cooper from Brussels. Andrew W. Lehren contributed reporting from New York.
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Even hitler and stalin had their little fan boys till the end
Obama just has BBC Jungle Fever midgets it seems.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/02/soldier_who_served_with_bergdahl_at_best_a_deserter_and_at_worst_a_traitor.html
This was not one of our own - this was a traitor and a deserter. F Obama - finding any excuse to release terrorists into society.
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/03/obama_absolutely_a_possibility_released_taliban_prisoners_will_return_to_terrorism.html
So when these criminals and terrorists kill soldiers who are still deployed in Afghanistan - was it worth it to free a deserter and a traitor?
No! F Obama!
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/2/pentagon-knew-berghdahls-whereabouts-but-didnt-ris
Yup - they knew where he was the entire time and would not risk going in for him since he was a deserter.
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if this is all true then this Guy deserves punishment. NO SOLDIER BETRAYS HIS COMRADES. We must however Keep an open mind to all this. Was his Father put under pressure to make Statements on Twitter? Very Hard to say. The evidence does Point out to Desertion. i tend to believe the Soldiers on the Ground. They have no reason to lie about this.
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if this is all true then this Guy deserves punishment. NO SOLDIER BETRAYS HIS COMRADES. We must however Keep an open mind to all this. Was his Father put under pressure to make Statements on Twitter? Very Hard to say. The evidence does Point out to Desertion. i tend to believe the Soldiers on the Ground. They have no reason to lie about this.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
This is what fellow soldiers are saying.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/02/we-lost-soldiers-in-the-hunt-for-bergdahl-a-guy-who-walked-off-in-the-dead-of-night.html
This is what fellow soldiers are saying.
Mate i am an ex Soldier and i know what this means. I believe them.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/02/father-of-army-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-appears-to-have-posted-another-eyebrow-raising-tweet
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/02/father-of-army-sgt-bowe-bergdahl-appears-to-have-posted-another-eyebrow-raising-tweet
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>:( yes he is openly doing it now but i think , well you know i´m sure the intelligence have had him under Observation for years. His time will come.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1305184/Bowe-Bergdahl-Taliban-claim-captured-U-S-solider-teaching-fighters-bomb-making-skills.html
Just fng wow
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Another interesting day....media has really turned on this shit.
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Another interesting day....media has really turned on this shit.
and the cult of Obama still worships this worthless drug addicted chooming coke head
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Here's the thing - Obama KNOWS he will get away with it. He KNOWS the repubs didn't do shit about benghazi, fast & furious, irs, birth certificate, or anything else.
They know it's hard to attack him publicly because it's a soldier... Yes, the extreme right will rightfully call him out for it, but they know it won't play with swing voters. Have you seen the comments on some of the CNN and FOX news blogs? So much of the "maybe he abandoned his post, but he was scared in war!" and other kinds of justifications for what he did.
So I think it's a touchy issue to attack obama with in midterms 2014. Yes, deserter dude is shady... but some people will back him. Read the comments from people out there - SO MANY are soft on him deserting.
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Here's the thing - Obama KNOWS he will get away with it. He KNOWS the repubs didn't do shit about benghazi, fast & furious, irs, birth certificate, or anything else.
They know it's hard to attack him publicly because it's a soldier... Yes, the extreme right will rightfully call him out for it, but they know it won't play with swing voters. Have you seen the comments on some of the CNN and FOX news blogs? So much of the "maybe he abandoned his post, but he was scared in war!" and other kinds of justifications for what he did.
So I think it's a touchy issue to attack obama with in midterms 2014. Yes, deserter dude is shady... but some people will back him. Read the comments from people out there - SO MANY are soft on him deserting.
That is because they worship Obama as cultists and blind koolaiders over anything else - just like the last of the hiterl youth in Berlin
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Col. David Hunt: US Lost 14 SOLDIERS Searching for Deserter Bowe Bergdahl (Video)
Posted by Jim Hoft on Tuesday, June 3, 2014, 12:22 AM
Free at Last – SGT Bowe Bergdahl Released
Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was released by the Taliban Saturday in a prisoner swap.
bergdahl
Bergdahl was the only living POW held by the Taliban. He was captured by the Taliban in 2009 in Afghanistan.
Colonel David Hunt told Bill O’Reilly tonight that Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter.
“Bowe Bergdahl was a deserter. Bergdahl on June 20, 2009 crawled underneath a wire at his fire base with water, food, a change of clothes, a knife and a cell phone. He called his unit the day after he deserted to tell his unit he deserted… Bill, we lost 14 soldiers, killed, searching for a deserter. He left his unit in combat. It’s non-arguable… We don’t know yet if he joined the Taliban or not. But, there’s no question he deserted.
There were already reports of at least five US heroes who were lost looking for Bowe Bergdahl:
ALL KILLED IN ACTION SEARCHING FOR BERGDAHL:
•PFC Matthew Michael Martinek,Died September 11, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 20, of DeKalb, Ill.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Sept. 11 at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Germany, of wounds sustained in Paktika province, Afghanistan, Sept. 4 when enemy forces attacked his vehicle with an improvised-explosive device followed by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms fire.
•Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss,Died August 26, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 27, of Murray, Utah; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 26 in Sar Howzeh, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when he was shot while his unit was supporting Afghan security forces during an enemy attack.
•SSG Clayton Bowen,Died August 18, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 29, of San Antonio; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 18 in Dila, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Also killed was Pfc. Morris L. Walker.
•PFC Morris Walker,Died August 18, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 23, of Chapel Hill, N.C.; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Airborne Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Aug. 18 in Dila, Afghanistan, of wounds sustained when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Also killed was Staff Sgt. Clayton P. Bowen.
•SSG Michael Murphrey,Died September 6, 2009 Serving During Operation Enduring Freedom 25, of Snyder, Texas; assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team (Airborne), 25th Infantry Division, Fort Richardson, Alaska; died Sept. 6 in FOB Sharana, Afghanistan, of wounds suffered when enemy forces attacked his unit with an improvised explosive device. were ALL KIA FROM OUR UNIT WHO DIED LOOKING FOR Bergdahl .
•Many others from various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for Bergdahl.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/hillary-clinton-defends-tough-decision-bergdahl-prisoner-swap-n120996
guess who is supporting this act of treason?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10868673/Bowe-Bergdahl-a-darker-story-behind-the-release-of-Americas-last-prisoner-of-war.html
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/01/us/bergdahl-deserter-or-hero/index.html
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Dude (Berg-whateva) does sound like a POS of some sort.
Nevertheless, it's gotta make a significant percentage of folks who have family serving in the armed services feel good to know that even if their loved one isn't the best soldier/sailor/airman, he or she will not be forgotten if captured and every effort will be made to bring them back. -- When your armed forces are totally made up of volunteers, that's gotta count for something...
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Dude (Berg-whateva) does sound like a POS of some sort.
Nevertheless, it's gotta make a significant percentage of folks who have family serving in the armed services feel good to know that even if their loved one isn't the best soldier/sailor/airman, he or she will not be forgotten if captured and every effort will be made to bring them back. -- When your armed forces are totally made up of volunteers, that's gotta count for something...
The dumbass walked off an FOB in A-stan, what the fuck did he think was going to happen to him? So because he is a fucking moron, 14 soldiers get killed and the US released 5 Muj, hope this asshole spends his remaining days as an oxygen thief at levenworth
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The dumbass walked off an FOB in A-stan, what the fuck did he think was going to happen to him? So because he is a fucking moron, 14 soldiers get killed and the US released 5 Muj, hope this asshole spends his remaining days as an oxygen thief at levenworth
A court martial would seem to be in his future.
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Anger explodes over treatment of Bergdahl’s release as veterans, troops call him a deserter
By Hannah Allam and Jonathan S. Landay
McClatchy Washington BureauJune 2, 2014 Updated 17 hours ago
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This undated image provided by the U.S. Army shows Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, whose release was part of a negotiation that includes the release of five Afghan detainees held in the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
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WASHINGTON — For all the yellow ribbons strewn across his hometown in Idaho and the gratitude expressed by his parents in an emotional visit to the White House on Saturday, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl will receive a hero’s welcome when he returns to the United States after nearly five years in Taliban captivity.
From military forums across the country, a groundswell of anger is rising over the Obama administration’s silence on perhaps the most controversial question surrounding the deal that freed Bergdahl in exchange for five senior Taliban members: Was he a deserter?
So far, the U.S. government has shied away from the long-nagging question, which raged anew Monday with growing clamor on the Internet about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance from his unit’s small forward position in Afghanistan on June 30, 2009.
Military-related blogs, Twitter accounts and Facebook pages were filled with screeds from commenters accusing Bergdahl of being a “traitor” or a Taliban “collaborator.” The online publication The Daily Beast published a nearly 2,000-word first-person account by a former Army infantry officer who said he was privy to details of Bergdahl’s disappearance and who stated flatly that “he was a deserter, and soldiers from his own unit died trying to track him down.”
The mother of one of six soldiers who’ve been identified as being killed in circumstances related to the search for Bergdahl was furious over the opaque handling of the case, telling Army Times that the Pentagon “really owes the parents of these fallen soldiers the truth.”
But instead of addressing the desertion issue head-on, complained many military analysts and war veterans, the Obama administration is allowing the debate to fester, only deepening the skepticism of current and former service members who demand to know how Bergdahl left his unit, how many U.S. forces were killed in the search effort, and whether there are plans to conduct a legal review of his case and, if necessary, prosecute him.
Michael Waltz, who as an Army major commanded U.S. Special Forces in eastern Afghanistan at the time Bergdahl disappeared, said the sergeant deserted and shouldn’t have been accorded POW status.
“He just walked off after guard duty and wandered into the nearby village,” Waltz told McClatchy in an interview Monday. “This guy needs to be held accountable when the time is right, of course. Every American deserves to come home. I’m happy for his family. But he needs to be held accountable.”
Angry commentators took special aim at National Security Adviser Susan Rice’s televised remarks Sunday that Bergdahl “served the United States with honor and distinction.” They also bristled at Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel’s surprise visit Sunday to Afghanistan, where he praised the operation that freed Bergdahl but never mentioned the desertion issue before an audience of U.S. service members who undoubtedly have seen the debate swirling around the case.
Even military voices warning against trying Bergdahl in the court of public opinion say the Obama administration owes its enlisted men and women more transparency.
“Hagel hopped up on stage saying, ‘Oh, it’s a great day. We got him back.’ Crickets. Crickets,” said Fred Wellman, a retired lieutenant colonel who as spokesman for Army Gen. David Petraeus in Iraq handled the communications on many crises that reflected poorly on the U.S. military.
Wellman said his advice to defense officials would be to acknowledge the concerns of the enlisted ranks and veterans, to explain that there’s a plan to deal with the legal implications, and to stress that the most important focus now is restoring Bergdahl to health and reuniting him with his family in Idaho after nearly five years in the hands of a brutal enemy of the United States.
“They’re really underestimating the fury over this,” Wellman said. “It’s a tidal wave of anger.”
At White House, State Department and Pentagon briefings, reporters asked directly whether Bergdahl was a deserter. Officials all offered variations of the same talking point: “We would characterize him as a member of the military who was detained while in combat,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said Monday.
The questions also didn’t dampen enthusiasm for Bergdahl’s return in his hometown of Hailey, Idaho, where planning for a welcome event at the end of the month were proceeding. “For now, we’re going to keep the politics out of Hailey and focus on the news that Bowe was found, and he is safe,” said Stefanie O’Neill, a co-organizer of the group “Bring Bowe Back,” now renamed “Bowe is Back.”
O’Neill said she hasn’t had any cancellations from those slated to perform, including singer Carole King and Travis Hardy Band. Bergdahl’s parents, Bob and Jani, also are expected to attend.
“I think the event is growing, as opposed to diminishing, through all of this,” said O’Neill, a stay-at-home mother of two who estimates she’s done 70 interviews with local, national and international media over the past two days.
When asked about the questions swirling around Bergdahl’s capture at a news conference at Boise’s National Guard facility Sunday, Ralph Kramer, the director of the Boise Valley POW MIA support organization, had a simple response: “We’re happy he’s home.”
Waltz, the former Special Forces commander, said the enthusiasm for Bergdahl’s return should be tempered by knowledge of his actions, which Waltz said jeopardized the lives of thousands of U.S. troops who were redeployed to prevent the Taliban from taking him across the border into Pakistan’s tribal area, where they, al Qaida and other Islamic extremist groups have bases.
“Men and women were diverted by the thousands,” he said. “Every soldier who was in the province where he was deployed was told to stop what they were doing and to look for him. It went on for at least weeks. We were receiving a lot of conflicting information about whether he was over the border or not.”
Regular U.S. troops set up checkpoints along the border, and Waltz said his Special Forces units swept towns and villages looking for Bergdahl. He said they were lured into ambushes and booby-trapped homes because the Taliban knew about the manhunt and were able to mobilize.
“The soldiers he was with, the soldiers who were in that country and the soldiers who didn’t get to come home are owed an explanation,” Waltz said. “I don’t personally believe that he should be in the same category as the Americans who were in the Bataan Death March (during World War II) and the aviators who were shot down over Vietnam. He needs to be held to account.”
Other veterans of U.S. wars warned, however, that the high-pitched tenor of the desertion debate is harmful to the military’s reputation and damaging to the age-old ethos of never leaving a service member behind. Like him or not, the more muted camp said, Bergdahl was captured by the enemy, endured untold hardships, and must first be repatriated and rehabilitated before it’s appropriate to discuss punitive action.
“He doesn’t even know how to speak English again yet and we’re already talking about trials and what he could face. Now is not the time,” said Alex Horton, 28, a former Army infantryman from Dallas who was deployed to Iraq. Horton said he doesn’t consider Bergdahl a hero, but also opposes the piling on when Bergdahl has been free for only a couple of days.
“This guy was a POW for five years _ not a German POW eating wiener schnitzel and drinking brandy _ he was most likely brainwashed and tortured,” Horton said. “Without a doubt this guy has been through some awful hardships and you have to think: how much further can this guy be punished?”
Analysts say the legal side of Bergdahl’s homecoming could have far-reaching implications for trust in the fairness of the military’s justice system, which already is under attack for its handling of sexual abuse cases. And, of course, a legal review could affect Bergdahl personally, determining his eventual discharge status, eligibility for health benefits, whether he gets to keep the pay he accumulated over nearly five years, and whether he should face any punitive measures in the case of a desertion determination.
Eugene R. Fidell, an expert on the Uniform Code of Military Justice who teaches at Yale Law School, said it’s important to remember that it’s “completely discretionary” as to whether commanders decide to prosecute any reported violation. He said there must be an official preliminary report of an offense even though, in Bergdahl’s case, “there’s certainly enough already known to suggest that an act of desertion was committed.”
An initial report, Fidell said, would be followed by a series of steps that determine how a case will proceed, such as whether it’s handled administratively without involving courts or is sent all the way to a general court martial. Fidell notes that Bergdahl almost certainly “has something to trade” – five years of up-close observation of the Taliban, one of the world’s most persistent militant groups. Any hypothetical defense team would be sure to argue that Bergdahl already has suffered enough as an apparent hostage.
“There’s a dramatic set of pushes and pulls in this, such as whether lives were lost in this,” Fidell said. “If it turns out to be not ‘Saving Private Ryan’ but ‘Saving Private Ryan who was a deserter,’ that’s a little different.”
Contributing to this report were James Rosen and Lindsay Wise from Washington and Katy Moeller of the Idaho Statesman from Boise.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/06/02/229148/anger-explodes-over-treatment.html#storylink=cpy
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A court martial would seem to be in his future.
An execution should be in his future.......
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I'm glad we got him back. Now he can sit in jail over court martial in the country he disgraced.
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anyone that knows the facts is calling him a traitor. but i'm telling you, look at the comments on the new stories. "oh, he was probably scared. Oh, he was in battle. Oh, he was young and confused".
Right has to be careful not to demonize him too much - despite the fact he is a traitor. Have a trial and lock him up for life, YES, but if they just play to use him for their own PR/talking points for a week, then forget about it, that's a huge risk.
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Why is the USA negotiating and trading with terrorists? Isn't that a No No? This only encourages terrorists even more and gives them the impression that they can get their way if only they have hostages to trade for their demands.
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anyone that knows the facts is calling him a traitor. but i'm telling you, look at the comments on the new stories. "oh, he was probably scared. Oh, he was in battle. Oh, he was young and confused".
Right has to be careful not to demonize him too much - despite the fact he is a traitor. Have a trial and lock him up for life, YES, but if they just play to use him for their own PR/talking points for a week, then forget about it, that's a huge risk.
Yeah OK, If I'm scared the first thing I'm going to do is wander off my base in A-Stan unarmed ::).
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I'm glad we got him back. Now he can sit in jail over court martial in the country he disgraced.
Won't happen. The white house has gone out of its way to make a hero out of this man. To radically change course and condemn him would do nothing but make the white house appear the duped fool.
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An execution should be in his future.......
Couldn't agree more.
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http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06/03/report-bowe-bergdahl-wrote-a-note-saying-he-wanted-to-renounce-his-american-citizenship
Isnt this just nice.
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"You don't mail all your personal belongings home, especially your computer. It's not like you can go to a sports bar -- there's no sports bars over there," says Specialist Full. "You just wouldn't give up your computer if you weren't planning to leave. He knowingly deserted and he put countless fellow Americans in danger -- not just his platoon mates."
If there is little question in the minds of the former members of Bergdahl's unit that he was a deserter, it's not clear that the military came to that same conclusion—at least formally.
Current and former military and intelligence officials tell THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the U.S. Army conducted an exhaustive investigation into Bergdahl's separation from his platoon. The investigation, undertaken by an officer from outside of the unit and called an AR 15-6, involved sworn testimony from virtually everyone who had regular contact with Bergdahl. The soldiers in Bergdahl's platoon were questioned repeatedly by investigators. Many were ordered to sign non-disclosure agreements, a step that a former senior military official calls "highly unusual."
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/we-swore-oath-and-we-upheld-ours-he-did-not_794093.html#
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Yeah OK, If I'm scared the first thing I'm going to do is wander off my base in A-Stan unarmed ::).
hey man, i agree with you 100%. But as I was telling the wifey about this story, she was a tad liberal about it. Usually she's quite neocon on lots of issues lol. But this time, she's all like "How many years did he serve before it? It could be Post-traumatic" and "people do crazy things when scared" and "probably just undiagnosed mental illness", etc. I was all like, "Die, you worthless lib!" as I was taught on getbig, and she took her luggage and moved out, so I think it worked out well.
Point is, I think there will be a softness for him that other traitors don't see, and any politicians that go at him hard in the press may suffer because of the people that sympathize with him (and i"m not one of them lol).
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About 6 months after this is settles they'll get him on the 15-6 and everything will be done quietly. A deal could be done to just keep him quiet and his dad quiet but they're going to do somthing
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http://twitchy.com/2014/06/03/getting-worse-by-the-hour-fnc-reports-bergdahl-renounced-us-citizenship
I wonder - is he still one of our own if he renounced citizenship?
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Gen. Dempsey: Army may still pursue desertion charge for Bowe Bergdahl
DAVID ZUCCHINO
The Army may consider pursuing an investigation of possible charges of desertion or other violations by Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, who was freed Saturday after nearly five years in Taliban custody, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said Tuesday.
Army Gen. Martin Dempsey noted that U.S. military leaders "have been accused of looking away from misconduct.” Dempsey said that was "premature" in the case of Bergdahl, who has been accused of desertion by former members of his unit in Afghanistan for abandoning his post during a combat deployment.
The remarks, in a telephone interview with the Associated Press, were Dempsey’s first public comment on Bergdahl since he was freed Saturday in exchange for the transfer to Qatar of five Taliban commanders held at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
In a separate posting on Facebook, Dempsey said of Bergdahl:
"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred."
Any decision on disciplinary measures will be up to the Army, Dempsey said in the interview. He said he does not want to pre-judge Bergdahl or say anything that might influence Army commanders.
In the Facebook post, Dempsey said in response to "those of you interested in my personal judgments about the recovery of SGT. Bowe Bergdahl, the questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity."
He added: "This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him."
Several members of Congress have criticized the prisoner swap, described as a "transfer" by the Obama administration. Critics said the administration caved in to Taliban demands and raised the ransom price for any future U.S. service member captured by insurgents, and also failed to properly notify Congress of prisoner releases.
Dempsey said he had not spoken to Bergdahl or his parents since the soldier’s release. The military is expected to learn more about the circumstances of Bergdahl’s disappearance and captivity by questioning him.
He is undergoing evaluation at a U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, and has not had direct contact with his parents in Idaho.
Bergdahl, 28, left a small observation post in eastern Afghanistan in the early morning hours of June 30, 2009, without informing anyone, three former members of his 30-man platoon said in interviews Monday. In his one-man tent, they said, they found Berghdahl’s rifle, helmet, body armor, night-vision goggles and other gear neatly stacked.
The former soldiers said Bergdahl had expressed disillusionment with the way the Army was conducting the U.S. combat mission in Afghanistan and had made off-hand comments about walking into the mountains or walking to India.
Calling Bergdahl a deserter, the soldiers said he should be held accountable for possible violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. They contended that several U.S. service members died in direct or indirect connection with the massive 90-day search for the missing sergeant.
The Pentagon has not confirmed that any deaths were related to the search for Bergdahl.
In the Facebook post, Dempsey said: "I want to thank those who for almost five years worked to find him, prepared to rescue him, and ultimately put themselves at risk to recover him."
Dempsey said in the interview that Bergdahl, a private, who was promoted to sergeant during his captivity, will no longer be automatically promoted to staff sergeant because he is now free.
New signs hang at Zaney's coffee house in Hailey, Idaho, after the announcement that U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl had been released from captivity.
Soldiers missing in action are normally promoted on the same schedule as their peers. But for Bergdahl, "his status has now changed, and therefore the requirements for promotion are more consistent with normal duty status," Dempsey said.
Bergdahl could face court-martial if the Army uncovers sufficient evidence of desertion, said Eugene Fidell, who teaches military law at Yale Law School. The Army might also decide to separate Bergdahl from the service through administrative procedures.
Any physical or psychological trauma could make Bergdahl unfit for continued service, Fidell said. If so, the Army would likely begin the process of arranging for retirement, medical care and other benefits.
Because the U.S. is not formally at war with the Taliban — Congress authorized military force against terrorists — a soldier serving in Afghanistan would not face the death penalty if convicted of desertion, Fidell said. The maximum penalty under these circumstances is five years in prison and a dishonorable discharge for "intent to avoid hazardous duty or shirk important service," Fidell said.
The maximum penalty for a soldier absent without leave for less than 30 days is six months in prison. The penalty is one year in jail (or 18 months if the soldier has to be apprehended) and a dishonorable discharge for AW0L more than 30 days Fidell said.
Fidell said the military may decide that, regardless of any offenses Bergdahl may have committed, he suffered nearly five years in enemy custody and should not be punished further.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html
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I've been watching a lot of interviews today with vet after vet who served with this guy, talking about him being a deserter. If it turns out to be true, f_ck him. Turn him back over.
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If any of the information coming out about this guy is at all accurate, it makes the Obama Administration look horribly foolish and clueless. Im going to reserve judgement until the facts are all gathered but so far the info looks legit.
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From Bums post a few up
I agree with this sentiment.
Getting him released is a separate issue from whether he deserted or abandoned his post. If that is true then I hope the army will investigate and I expect that they will
In a separate posting on Facebook, Dempsey said of Bergdahl:
"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred."
Any decision on disciplinary measures will be up to the Army, Dempsey said in the interview. He said he does not want to pre-judge Bergdahl or say anything that might influence Army commanders.
In the Facebook post, Dempsey said in response to "those of you interested in my personal judgments about the recovery of SGT. Bowe Bergdahl, the questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity."
He added: "This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him."
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From Bums post a few up
I agree with this sentiment.
Getting him released is a separate issue from whether he deserted or abandoned his post. If that is true then I hope the army will investigate and I expect that they will
Trade him for top-level Taliban, though? With what they already knew?
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If any of the information coming out about this guy is at all accurate, it makes the Obama Administration look horribly foolish and clueless. Im going to reserve judgement until the facts are all gathered but so far the info looks legit.
Yes. The evidence seems to be growing, but HH6 is dealing with this mess and he hasn't (to my knowledge) called this guy a deserter. So, we all know how the initial press stories like this tend to roll...
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Boys I will do my best at some point to tell you what I know but I can't right now. I'm not sure I'll be in a room with him but I will meet his parents at some point. I guess a good indication at this point is that nobody in his platoon is bringing out another side of this. In any case we're not worried about that at this point. We have to get him healthy and sane enough to tell his story and/or stand trial. He has useful info and we'll get that from him. I suspect this kid was a weird dude....a fucking retard can get into the legion...staying is another story.
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Boys I will do my best at some point to tell you what I know but I can't right now. I'm not sure I'll be in a room with him but I will meet his parents at some point. I guess a good indication at this point is that nobody in his platoon is bringing out another side of this. In any case we're not worried about that at this point. We have to get him healthy and sane enough to tell his story and/or stand trial. He has useful info and we'll get that from him. I suspect this kid was a weird dude....a fucking retard can get into the legion...staying is another story.
Make sure you tell his pop thanks. Such an eloquent patriot.
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Yes. The evidence seems to be growing, but HH6 is dealing with this mess and he hasn't (to my knowledge) called this guy a deserter. So, we all know how the initial press stories like this tend to roll...
Trotting out Bergdahl's terrorist sympathizer father and creating a huge publicity stunt out of Bergdhal's "rescue", apparently without even bothering to obtain the full story first, smacks of utter incompetence. Im still in wait and see mode but at the very least this administration should not have made such a big deal out of this and should have been aware that there was some evidence Bergdahl may have deserted and possibly colluded with the enemy. Instead, they chose to play the hero angle.
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nobody talking about benghazi anymore. obama's happy about that.
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nobody talking about benghazi anymore. obama's happy about that.
Isn't this worse? What, we got six soldiers now killed trying to "rescue" this traitorous fuck?
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That is clearly not Obama's fault. That would have happened regardless...looking for him etc. The trade, the results whatever is squarely Obama's. NBC reported that the admin was/is clearly shocked at the reaction by the country and the military. I can tell you the folks in the pentagon are spinning....I've made pop corn and am watching a small piece of history unfold in front of me. Its kinda cool if this dude wasn't such a retard.
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That is clearly not Obama's fault. That would have happened regardless...looking for him etc. The trade, the results whatever is squarely Obama's. NBC reported that the admin was/is clearly shocked at the reaction by the country and the military. I can tell you the folks in the pentagon are spinning....I've made pop corn and am watching a small piece of history unfold in front of me. Its kinda cool if this dude wasn't such a retard.
The trade was wrong. Horribly wrong.
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I'm sure they were hoping that Bergdahl's release would be a positive PR move and provide a distraction from the VA mess. This fiasco will only add to the perception that this President doesn't "get " the military.
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That is clearly not Obama's fault. That would have happened regardless...looking for him etc. The trade, the results whatever is squarely Obama's. NBC reported that the admin was/is clearly shocked at the reaction by the country and the military. I can tell you the folks in the pentagon are spinning....I've made pop corn and am watching a small piece of history unfold in front of me. Its kinda cool if this dude wasn't such a retard.
Its pretty clear they didnt even look into the particulars of the situation before they made a public spectacle.
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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/379481/why-team-obama-was-blindsided-bergdahl-backlash-ralph-peters
Obama is a terrorist sympathizer
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Chuck Todd: White House Expected ‘Euphoria’ Over Bergdahl’s Release
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | June 3, 2014 | Staff
Posted on June 3, 2014 at 5:19:48 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Todd: White House was 'caught off guard'
MSNBC’S Chuck Todd observed Tuesday that the White House was “caught off guard” by the disastrous public roll out of their prisoner exchange for Army Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl.
Todd and Andrea Mitchell agreed that the White House had likely thought there would be “some euphoria around this, the only POW that was remaining in Afghanistan, that there would be a rally around the flag. That didn’t happen.”
“They were expecting criticisms of Gitmo, criticisms of the detainees that were chosen,” Todd said. “They did not expect this criticism of the attempt to go get Bergdahl in the way that it was done.”
Todd noted the White House’s change of tone over the last several days, using as an example a Pentagon spokesperson who defended Bergdahl’s rescue in the New York Times today by citing the Navy’s policy of rescuing sailors who go overboard, regardless of whether they fell out of the ship or jumped themselves. “That wasn’t necessarily what they were saying on Sunday.”
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http://www.militarytimes.com/article/20140602/NEWS/306020055/Gold-Star-mom-guy-worth-my-son-s-life-
Horrible. But this is obama the terrorists' best friend so it is what it is
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/03/krauthammer_part_of_obamas_arrogance_ignorance_to_celebrate_bergdahl_trade.html
Incredible how fucking awful this worthless ghetto fag is. You voted for him - hang yourself
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/03/wolf_blitzer_to_jay_carney_is_it_okay_now_for_the_united_states_to_negotiate_with_terrorists.html
Obama and Rice lied about this too. When will you fags who worship this pos wake the hell up!!!!
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Dude....every time they say something on TV we feel it an hour later. The narrative has gotten away from them and we're getting hourly orders that contradict the last orders. ;D
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Dude....every time they say something on TV we feel it an hour later. The narrative has gotten away from them and we're getting hourly orders that contradict the last orders. ;D
That is because Obama, rice, biden, Kerry are liars, criminals, frauds, traitors, and pieces of worthless shit trying to cya. They can not tell the truth EVER because the truth to these worthless thugs and traitors would send them directly to jail.
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Dude....every time they say something on TV we feel it an hour later. The narrative has gotten away from them and we're getting hourly orders that contradict the last orders. ;D
What's the sentiment around there?
The soldiers have got to be PISSED.
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What's the sentiment around there?
The soldiers have got to be PISSED.
Soldiers died looking for this asshole
Soldiers died capturing the 5 Taliban commanders o-fag is releasing
Soldiers will die now as a result of these worthless animals being let back out.
All for one worthless deserter whose fathers' mission is still to free these animals.
This is who you assholes worship.
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What's the sentiment around there?
The soldiers have got to be PISSED.
I'm sure his unit is pissed...here...everybod y just wants to make sure he doesn't screw our weekend. Glad we're knocking this out now rather then football season.
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The Administration's Bowe Bergdahl Fairy Tale
By Tom Bevan - June 3, 2014
Those watching cable television Saturday afternoon or perusing the headlines the following morning were treated to a surprise story with the makings of a Hollywood blockbuster: The president of the United States steps up to a sun-splashed podium in the Rose Garden flanked by the grateful parents of an American soldier held captive for nearly five years.
The return of U.S. Army Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl was, according to the White House’s script, “a joyous occasion” and a fulfillment of one of America’s “most sacred obligations” of never leaving a man behind on the battlefield. For his family and friends, it certainly was both of those things.
But it was more than that. Even as the administration’s spinners fanned out the following morning on the Sunday talk shows to further regale Americans with the heartwarming tale of Bergdahl’s return, the story began to unravel as uncomfortable questions began popping up about the details of the swap:
-- Why did the administration fail to give Congress 30 days’ advance notice of the transfer of five Guantanamo Bay detainees, as required by law -- one signed by President Obama himself?
-- Was the release of five of the most dangerous and hardened prisoners from Guantanamo too steep a price to pay, and what assurances did we receive that these terrorists would not return to the battlefield and kill more Americans?
-- Had the administration reversed a long-standing U.S. policy of not negotiating with terrorists?
-- How had Bowe Bergdahl come to be taken prisoner in the first place?
This last question was the most disturbing. Fellow soldiers from his own unit have come forth to claim Bergdahl just walked off his post one night in June 2009. They considered him a deserter. Making matters worse, several soldiers lost their lives in efforts to recover him from the Taliban.
None of this was mentioned by the president, or any administration official, even though it was well known inside the Army, which investigated the sketchy circumstances of the soldier’s disappearance.
Among those working on Sunday to spin the administration’s narrative of Bergdahl’s return -- and gloss over questions about the details of the prisoner swap -- was none other than Susan Rice, who played a starring role in the Obama administration’s efforts at misdirection over the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.
Rice was in similar form Sunday, sticking to the White House’s pre-approved script and dodging questions about the details of the exchange. Asked why Congress wasn’t informed, Rice first said that members had been briefed many times on the subject of negotiating with the Taliban. Asked about this assertion, Rep. Howard “Buck” McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said that there had been discussions about whether to engage the Taliban -- but not about swapping Bergdahl for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.
Rice also asserted that the administration was forced to move quickly and bypass Congress because of Bergdahl’s “acute” medical condition. Rice did not offer any specifics for this justification, and there is no evidence -- other than the administration's claim -- that Bergdahl’s health condition was life-threatening.
Rice also deflected questions about what assurances the government of Qatar, which helped broker the deal and will house the five released terrorists, had provided the United States to make sure they would not pose a future threat. Her answer essentially was that we have to take the administration’s word for it.
When queried about claims that Bowe Bergdahl may have gone simply AWOL, Rice responded that he had served America with “honor and distinction.” According to his fellow soldiers, neither of those adjectives accurately reflects his service record.
In the end, the administration’s carefully crafted story of Bergdahl’s homecoming has crumbled, leaving more questions than answers. What the White House surely viewed as a public relations coup and chance to generate positive news coverage amid the VA scandal has turned into another fiasco and yet another example of the disturbing trend in Obama’s tenure for putting public relations triumphs ahead of sound public policy concerns.
In this case, they may have gotten neither one.
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Tom Bevan is the co-founder and Executive Editor of RealClearPolitics and the co-author of Election 2012: A Time for Choosing. Email: tom@realclearpolitics.com, Twitter: @TomBevanRCP
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This isn't working out well....
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nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.
the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier. Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi. Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers.
Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi. He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that. but it's a news story that has people all over the place. Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out. Can't do that in this case. have to use kid gloves when talking about it. All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?
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This isn't working out well....
Nothing o-fag goes near EVER works out well. He is the kiss of death
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http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/06/03/unit-comrade-bergdahl-was-that-one-guy-that-wanted-to-disappear
Yeah - o-traitor knows more than the people who were in his unit. ::) ::)
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The soldiers coming out in droves, giving interviews and wishing this guy to be prosecuted and labeling him a deserter is the worst possible angle of this whole story for The White House.
How can they even counter something like that?
It's one thing if it's a Congressman or Senator saying these things.
But a fellow soldiers who were there!?
Yeah that's pretty damning.
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nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.
the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier. Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi. Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers.
Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi. He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that. but it's a news story that has people all over the place. Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out. Can't do that in this case. have to use kid gloves when talking about it. All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?
In my opinion the Bergdahl situation is far worse than Benghazi. Benghazi was a muddled mess. The current situation is straight forward and easy to understand. How the Obama Administration would conclude that this is a better scandal to manage demonstrates a complete dissassociaton from reality.
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nobodys talking about shitty economy or benghazi.
the debate is whether or not obama did right thing by freeing a soldier. Now, I'm thinking he would MUCH rather be having this discussion, than having one about benghazi. Politicians have to be VERY careful standing up saying "We need to imprison this soldier who lost his marbles and went AWOL", particularly because last week the big story was just how shitty treatment for mental health issues was for soldiers.
Obama would MUCH rather be having this discussion than Benghazi. He's 100% wrong on this trade, most of us agree on that. but it's a news story that has people all over the place. Politicians have been very careful when talking about it, whereas with benghazi they can just come at obama 100% with claws out. Can't do that in this case. have to use kid gloves when talking about it. All it takes is one fumbled response to "Do you think XYZ bill you voted against in 2007, which would have paid for more mental health assistance for soldiers, could have prevented this?" and suddenly the obama attackers are very much on the defense, you know?
Correct but the narrative he's trying to block or escape from is the VA issue. Its bipartisan and a clear fuck up on his part...this thing can go either way. They knew that the swap would be controversial. What's become a nightmare has been the reaction.......the Army is pissed. Bergdahl should never have been allowed to enlist. I don't think he even knew what he was getting into.
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Unit Comrade: Bergdahl Was ‘That One Guy That Wanted To Disappear’
June 3, 2014 11:59 PM
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WASHINGTON — Three former members of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon spoke to The Associated Press on Tuesday about Bergdahl’s disappearance, his freedom and how he should be treated now that he’s out. The interviews were facilitated by a public relations firm, Capitol Media Partners, co-owned by Republican strategist Richard Grenell. All three men said Bergdahl should be investigated for desertion. Army Secretary John McHugh said Tuesday that after Bergdahl has recovered, the Army will “review” the circumstances of his disappearance.
Taliban Video: Bergdahl Returned to U.S. Forces After 5 Years
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Joshua Cornelison, 25, who was a medic in the platoon:
Cornelison said Bergdahl was unusually reluctant to talk to fellow soldiers about his personal life or his background.
“He was very, very quiet. He kept everything very close to the vest,” Cornelison said, speaking from Sacramento, California. “So, after he actually left, the following morning we realized we have Bergdahl’s weapon, we have Bergdahl’s body armor, we have Bergdahl’s sensitive equipment (but) we don’t have Bowe Bergdahl.” At that point, Cornelison said, it occurred to him that Bergdahl was “that one guy that wanted to disappear, and now he’s gotten his wish.”
Cornelison, who completed his Army service in 2012, said he believes Bergdahl should be held accountable.
“Bowe Bergdahl needs to be held 100 percent accountable for all of his irresponsibility and all of his actions. He willfully deserted his post and he needs to be held accountable for that,” he said.
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Evan Buetow, 27, who was a sergeant in the platoon:
Buetow, speaking from Maple Valley, Washington, said Bergdahl had asked him a number of questions a short time before his disappearance that, in retrospect, make it apparent that Bergdahl had been planning to leave.
Bergdahl asked him, for example, how much of a cash advance he could get and how to go about mailing home his personal computer and other belongings. He also asked what would happen if his weapon and other sensitive items such as night vision goggles went missing. He said he told Bergdahl that, as any soldier would know, that would be “a big deal.”
“At the time … it wasn’t really alarming” to hear Bergdahl ask about those things, Buetow said. “Yes, it was a kind of off-the-wall question,” but the notion of a fellow soldier running off during the night seemed so far-fetched as to not be possible, he said.
Buetow said he feels strongly that Bergdahl should face trial for desertion, but he said it is less clear that he should be blamed for the deaths of all soldiers killed during months of trying to find him. Beutow said he knows of at least one death on an intelligence-directed infantry patrol to a village in search of Bergdahl. More broadly, the mission of his entire unit changed after Bergdahl’s disappearance because it began to incorporate efforts to pursue clues to his whereabouts.
“Those soldiers who died on those missions, they would not have been where they were … if Bergdahl had never walked away,” he said. “At the same time I do believe it is somewhat unfair for people to say, ‘It is Bergdahl’s fault that these people are dead.’ I think that’s a little harsh.”
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Matt Vierkant, 27, of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, was a team leader of another squad in Bergdahl’s platoon.
He’s now out of the military and studying mechanical engineering.
Soldiers from his unit and other units were wounded or killed on missions to chase down leads related to Bergdahl, he said.
Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.”
He said Bergdahl’s fellow soldiers knew within five or 10 minutes from the discovery of disappearance that he had walked away. In retrospect the signs were there, he said, but there was nothing so definitive that would have prompted action.
“He said some strange things, like, ‘I could get lost in those mountains,’ which, at the time, that doesn’t really strike you as someone who is going to leave their weapon and walk out.”
Vierkant said he believes it’s paramount that an investigation determine whether Bergdahl deserted or collaborated with the enemy.
“It shouldn’t even be a question of whether, it should question of when,” he said.
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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/06/02/Who-Wrote-Susan-Rice-s-Talking-Points-This-Time
Exactly - this is like Benghazi all over again - Susan Rice sent out to lie w bogus talking points that are clearly lies and false.
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In my opinion the Bergdahl situation is far worse than Benghazi. Benghazi was a muddled mess. The current situation is straight forward and easy to understand. How the Obama Administration would conclude that this is a better scandal to manage demonstrates a complete dissassociaton from reality.
You could argue that the swap was done for the right reason..getting our guy back. What they didn't care about...and I say care because there was a 15-6 done and I think they concluded he was AWOL.....is the backlash from active and former soldiers and now the republican party. If this guy was Rambo and captain America all in one...hard as hell to argue.....pretty easy however when he comes across as a piece of shit and a blithering idiot.
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Asked about the statement Sunday by National Security Adviser Susan Rice that Bergdahl served “with honor and distinction,” he said: “That statement couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t know if she was misinformed or doesn’t know about the investigations and everything else, or what.”
The level of incompetence is unbelievable.
That is our National Security Adviser speaking right there.
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Its actually very discouraging...at our level we practice this twice a year with everything we're going to do and these people either refuse to participate or just don't care..now they care and its a disaster.
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You could argue that the swap was done for the right reason..getting our guy back. What they didn't care about...and I say care because there was a 15-6 done and I think they concluded he was AWOL.....is the backlash from active and former soldiers and now the republican party. If this guy was Rambo and captain America all in one...hard as hell to argue.....pretty easy however when he comes across as a piece of shit and a blithering idiot.
I agree. The portrayal of Bergdahl as a hero and a victim is extremely disturbing and manipulative. Surely they had access to the information regarding Bergdahls possible desertion. How they could believe this whole debacle would come off without a hitch is beyond my ability to understand. Parading his shady father around is another major fuck up. Personally I'm not sure the trade was worth it.
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Clip showing his release.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/taliban-video-shows-bowe-bergdahls-release/story?id=23984604
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Rubio: Obama ‘Believes He’s Become A Monarch Or An Emperor’
06/03/2014
Florida Republican Senator Marco Rubio savaged President Obama for his failure to notify Congress about the release of five Taliban prisoners from Guantanamo Bay as the law requires, claiming the president “believes somehow he’s become a monarch or an emperor.”
Rubio spoke Tuesday with Fox News’ host Gretchen Carlson about the White House’s refusal to tell Congress before they traded five high-level Taliban prisoners for Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, captured by the Taliban after his likely desertion in 2009.
“The president has violated the law here,” the Florida senator asserted. “The law is very clear. He must give congressional notification 30 days before any prisoner in Guantanamo is released. He failed to do that.”
“Apparently the only person he told was [Senate Majority Leader] Harry Reid,” Rubio continued. “He didn’t even tell the chairwoman of the intelligence committee, a Democrat, Diane Feinstein.”
“This is a pattern of behavior by this White House,” the lawmaker later declared. “He believes somehow that he’s become a monarch or an emperor, that can basically ignore the law and do whatever he wants. And there’s a real, growing frustration — even among Democrats — at this sort of behavior.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/03/rubio-obama-believes-hes-become-a-monarch-or-an-emperor/#ixzz33hRm4gj3
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Good? Bad? Indifferent?
I'm on the fence about this one. If it was my ass in captivity, I would want the trade, lol. But, I also think it sends a bad message.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/01/chuck-hagel-susan-rice-defend-decision-to-trade-terror-suspects-for-bergdahl-swap/
bad...the absolute worst possible thing that happened since the war started!
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Good? Bad? Indifferent?
I'm on the fence about this one. If it was my ass in captivity, I would want the trade, lol. But, I also think it sends a bad message.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/06/01/chuck-hagel-susan-rice-defend-decision-to-trade-terror-suspects-for-bergdahl-swap/
Debatable, for sure.
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Bergdahls is the new Benghazi which is the old Obamacare.
Despite all the whining and crying over it, the GOP isn't going to hammer the issue home and make it a rallying point for their benefit. They are too pussy whipped to actually turn it into actions. Impeachment? HAHAHAHA.
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Bergdahls is the new Benghazi which is the old Obamacare.
Despite all the whining and crying over it, the GOP isn't going to hammer the issue home and make it a rallying point for their benefit. They are too pussy whipped to actually turn it into actions. Impeachment? HAHAHAHA.
I dont usually go this route but all I can say is get obamas dick out of your ass. I say ass because that is what youre talking out of.
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I dont usually go this route but all I can say is get obamas dick out of your ass. I say ass because that is what youre talking out of.
Feel free to prove me wrong. The last two rallying points really worked out well huh?
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Feel free to prove me wrong. The last two rallying points really worked out well huh?
The fact is, all your capable of is carrying water for Obama like every other mindless dumbass follower. You have no goddamn scruples. Youre contribution to this thread consists of gloating like fairy.
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The fact is, all your capable of is carrying water for Obama like every other mindless dumbass follower. You have no goddamn scruples. Youre contribution to this thread consists of gloating like fairy.
Translation - "Maybe the little GOP will really put some effort into this issue so I can then say 'oh look you were wrong' "
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Translation - "Maybe the little GOP will really put some effort into this issue so I can then say 'oh look you were wrong' "
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Youre a pathetic fuck who only cares when the other team plays dirty. Keep using the rolling eyes like a teenage girl. It suits you. As I said, all you do is gloat like a fairy instead of actually thinking about the issue and making a relevent comment on it. Its not about what the gop does its about what the obama administration did. Partisan hacks like you dont know the difference.
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Youre a pathetic fuck who only cares when the other team plays dirty. Keep using the rolling eyes like a teenage girl. It suits you. As I said, all you do is gloat like a fairy instead of actually thinking about the issue and making a relevent comment on it. Its not about what the gop does its about what the obama administration did. Partisan hacks like you dont know the difference.
Meltdown.
Don't worry. After the ass raping Obama has given the GOP with Obamacare, FF, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, etc.. etc.. etc.. you are pretty well lubed up. Don't blame the rest of us because the GOP doesn't have a backbone to pursue action against him.
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Meltdown.
Don't worry. After the ass raping Obama has given the GOP with Obamacare, FF, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, etc.. etc.. etc.. you are pretty well lubed up. Don't blame the rest of us because the GOP doesn't have a backbone to pursue action against him.
Again, your dumbass is missing the point entirely. Its not about the GOP. Thats all you can think about. I suppose thats your way of disassociating yourself from the issue.
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Archer is making a good point: this really shouldn't be a partisan issue. And I'm not sure it is at this point? The fact the president broke the law and traded terrorists for a detainee is very troubling. That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc. This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.
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Archer is making a good point: this really shouldn't be a partisan issue. And I'm not sure it is at this point? The fact the president broke the law and traded terrorists for a detainee is very troubling. That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc. This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.
Political score card is a perfect way to describe it. Thanks, beach.
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Again, your dumbass is missing the point entirely. Its not about the GOP. Thats all you can think about. I suppose thats your way of disassociating yourself from the issue.
I really don't see Dems whining over these issues to this extent.
If this is such a big issue, and the others before it. Impeach him. Oh... you can't because the GOP is a bunch of pansy waists who are scared to take the black man on.
Everything is a political scorecard. If you don't think it is, you are either naive or stupid. Continue on though... in a couple weeks this will be on the back burner and a new scandal will be out. For Obama to shove down your throat and you sit there and take it just like the rest of the little party.
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Archer is making a good point: this really shouldn't be a partisan issue. And I'm not sure it is at this point? The fact the president broke the law and traded terrorists for a detainee is very troubling. That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc. This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.
Agreed. Everyone should be troubled by this.
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I really don't see Dems whining over these issues to this extent.
If this is such a big issue, and the others before it. Impeach him. Oh... you can't because the GOP is a bunch of pansy waists who are scared to take the black man on.
Everything is a political scorecard. If you don't think it is, you are either naive or stupid. Continue on though... in a couple weeks this will be on the back burner and a new scandal will be out. For Obama to shove down your throat and you sit there and take it just like the rest of the little party.
Yes of course, let Obama set a precedent with all this shit, then you 'll be screaming when a rep does the same thing. You are missing the point that as an American you should be pissed of over what has happened over the GWB admin and now the Obama admin. Little by little the rule of law means less and less. I guess it won't matter to you until there is a drone buzzing your house with a hellfire, because for some reason you have been classified as a domestic terrorist
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That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc. This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.
ANY prez that does this should be impeached. Not just dems or repubs.
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Archer is making a good point: this really shouldn't be a partisan issue. And I'm not sure it is at this point? The fact the president broke the law and traded terrorists for a detainee is very troubling. That's the issue, not whether Obama will be impeached, etc. This isn't about keeping some political scorecard.
Agreed, this wouldn't constitute a 'high crime' by any measure. But, the Congress would need to be united in the message they are sending, and we have to consider the micromanagement aspect over the Executive's duties....I'm not too big on that.
I was reading that this guy had gone on a walk-about twice before and came back. It's getting really muddy as to whether or not he's a defector or an idiot.
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Agreed, this wouldn't constitute a 'high crime' by any measure. But, the Congress would need to be united in the message they are sending, and we have to consider the micromanagement aspect over the Executive's duties....I'm not too big on that.
I was reading that this guy had gone on a walk-about twice before and came back. It's getting really muddy as to whether or not he's a defector or an idiot.
I don't like what I've been hearing at all. He is definitely an idiot, but it is also looking pretty clear that he wasn't captured.
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I don't like what I've been hearing at all. He is definitely an idiot, but it is also looking pretty clear that he wasn't captured.
really
nothing I've read says that he wasn't
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-commanders-say-they-found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846
The Taliban found Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walking alone, acting abnormally and cursing his countrymen before they captured him in Afghanistan in 2009, two men who were Taliban commanders at the time told NBC News on Thursday.
They said that Afghan locals first informed fighters about the soldier, and then the fighters rushed to capture him.
“Our people at the time couldn’t understand his language, but it was after he was shifted to a safe location, he said he wasn’t happy with his countrymen, but he didn’t intend to convert to Islam or join mujahideen (holy warriors),” one of the commanders said.
The commanders said that Taliban officers first thought it was a trick — perhaps an American soldier sent out alone to spy on the enemy.
“As we never saw their soldier patrolling alone … we would ask him how he managed to walk out of his base,” one of the commanders said. “He would tell us that it was personal issue.”
The descriptions filled in some of the details about the capture of Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years before he was released to U.S. forces. In exchange, five Taliban operatives were freed from the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
One of the two commanders quit the Taliban fighting U.S. forces in 2010. He joined another faction that is working to find a negotiated political solution to the Afghan conflict. He is now living in the United Arab Emirates.
The second of the two commanders is based in Helmand province in Afghanistan.
The commander who left in 2010 said that, at least through that time, Bergdahl did not convert to Islam.
“Think he had deserted his army with a mission and wanted to accept Islam, but our people didn’t trust him. That shattered his belief,” he said.
In the initial hours after Bergdahl was reported missing, on June 30, 2009, the United States mounted a furious search operation to find him. It included armed drones, teams of dogs, raids on suspected enemy hideouts and F-15 fighter jets for air cover.
The Taliban officials would not say where they took Bergdahl immediately after the capture, only that it was a safe location.
Later, according to Taliban sources, he was taken to the South Waziristan region of Pakistan. Later he was shifted to the forested, mountainous area of Shawal Valley, also in Pakistan.
Bergdahl was returned to American forces over the weekend and is recovering at an American military hospital in Germany. He was promoted twice in captivity and holds the rank of sergeant.
The trade for the five Taliban at Guantanamo has drawn outrage, primarily from Republicans. Former members of Bergdahl’s platoon have described him as a deserter who walked away from his outpost.
In addition, members of Congress have faulted the Obama administration — even suggesting that it broke the law — for failing to notify Congress before it executed the trade.
The administration has argued that it had to move quickly because Bergdahl’s health was deteriorating quickly.
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really
nothing I've read says that he wasn't
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-commanders-say-they-found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846
The Taliban found Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walking alone, acting abnormally and cursing his countrymen before they captured him in Afghanistan in 2009, two men who were Taliban commanders at the time told NBC News on Thursday.
They said that Afghan locals first informed fighters about the soldier, and then the fighters rushed to capture him.
“Our people at the time couldn’t understand his language, but it was after he was shifted to a safe location, he said he wasn’t happy with his countrymen, but he didn’t intend to convert to Islam or join mujahideen (holy warriors),” one of the commanders said.
The commanders said that Taliban officers first thought it was a trick — perhaps an American soldier sent out alone to spy on the enemy.
“As we never saw their soldier patrolling alone … we would ask him how he managed to walk out of his base,” one of the commanders said. “He would tell us that it was personal issue.”
The descriptions filled in some of the details about the capture of Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years before he was released to U.S. forces. In exchange, five Taliban operatives were freed from the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
One of the two commanders quit the Taliban fighting U.S. forces in 2010. He joined another faction that is working to find a negotiated political solution to the Afghan conflict. He is now living in the United Arab Emirates.
The second of the two commanders is based in Helmand province in Afghanistan.
The commander who left in 2010 said that, at least through that time, Bergdahl did not convert to Islam.
“Think he had deserted his army with a mission and wanted to accept Islam, but our people didn’t trust him. That shattered his belief,” he said.
In the initial hours after Bergdahl was reported missing, on June 30, 2009, the United States mounted a furious search operation to find him. It included armed drones, teams of dogs, raids on suspected enemy hideouts and F-15 fighter jets for air cover.
The Taliban officials would not say where they took Bergdahl immediately after the capture, only that it was a safe location.
Later, according to Taliban sources, he was taken to the South Waziristan region of Pakistan. Later he was shifted to the forested, mountainous area of Shawal Valley, also in Pakistan.
Bergdahl was returned to American forces over the weekend and is recovering at an American military hospital in Germany. He was promoted twice in captivity and holds the rank of sergeant.
The trade for the five Taliban at Guantanamo has drawn outrage, primarily from Republicans. Former members of Bergdahl’s platoon have described him as a deserter who walked away from his outpost.
In addition, members of Congress have faulted the Obama administration — even suggesting that it broke the law — for failing to notify Congress before it executed the trade.
The administration has argued that it had to move quickly because Bergdahl’s health was deteriorating quickly.
Perhaps you should look harder
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He was found....by the Taliban...he knew what he was doing. No idea for what purpose.....me thinks he has a bit of the retard. He was also a hadji lover. There were more then a few....
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He was found....by the Taliban...he knew what he was doing. No idea for what purpose.....me thinks he has a bit of the retard. He was also a hadji lover. There were more then a few....
People act like this jagoff is some kind of hero ::), this shit head deserted his post, wandered off the FOB in A-stan unarmed. Last time I checked you can't just fucking pack your shit up and join the enemy without committing treason. If anyone deserved a drone strike it was this fuck head
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really
nothing I've read says that he wasn't
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/taliban-commanders-say-they-found-bergdahl-cursing-his-countrymen-n123846
The Taliban found Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl walking alone, acting abnormally and cursing his countrymen before they captured him in Afghanistan in 2009, two men who were Taliban commanders at the time told NBC News on Thursday.
They said that Afghan locals first informed fighters about the soldier, and then the fighters rushed to capture him.
“Our people at the time couldn’t understand his language, but it was after he was shifted to a safe location, he said he wasn’t happy with his countrymen, but he didn’t intend to convert to Islam or join mujahideen (holy warriors),” one of the commanders said.
The commanders said that Taliban officers first thought it was a trick — perhaps an American soldier sent out alone to spy on the enemy.
“As we never saw their soldier patrolling alone … we would ask him how he managed to walk out of his base,” one of the commanders said. “He would tell us that it was personal issue.”
The descriptions filled in some of the details about the capture of Bergdahl, who was held by the Taliban for five years before he was released to U.S. forces. In exchange, five Taliban operatives were freed from the American prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
One of the two commanders quit the Taliban fighting U.S. forces in 2010. He joined another faction that is working to find a negotiated political solution to the Afghan conflict. He is now living in the United Arab Emirates.
The second of the two commanders is based in Helmand province in Afghanistan.
The commander who left in 2010 said that, at least through that time, Bergdahl did not convert to Islam.
“Think he had deserted his army with a mission and wanted to accept Islam, but our people didn’t trust him. That shattered his belief,” he said.
In the initial hours after Bergdahl was reported missing, on June 30, 2009, the United States mounted a furious search operation to find him. It included armed drones, teams of dogs, raids on suspected enemy hideouts and F-15 fighter jets for air cover.
The Taliban officials would not say where they took Bergdahl immediately after the capture, only that it was a safe location.
Later, according to Taliban sources, he was taken to the South Waziristan region of Pakistan. Later he was shifted to the forested, mountainous area of Shawal Valley, also in Pakistan.
Bergdahl was returned to American forces over the weekend and is recovering at an American military hospital in Germany. He was promoted twice in captivity and holds the rank of sergeant.
The trade for the five Taliban at Guantanamo has drawn outrage, primarily from Republicans. Former members of Bergdahl’s platoon have described him as a deserter who walked away from his outpost.
In addition, members of Congress have faulted the Obama administration — even suggesting that it broke the law — for failing to notify Congress before it executed the trade.
The administration has argued that it had to move quickly because Bergdahl’s health was deteriorating quickly.
So what's your take on this, Straw? His fellow soldiers, etc. are lying?
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Perhaps you should look harder
feel free to post a link
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He was found....by the Taliban...he knew what he was doing. No idea for what purpose.....me thinks he has a bit of the retard. He was also a hadji lover. There were more then a few....
he would have to be a retard to want to be captured by the Taliban
from what I've read it sounds like he was just an idiot who thought he could wander around the countryside
Skip posted that he had done this twice before and if that's the case then he probably thought he could do it again and this time his luck ran out
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/06/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-secret-documents-show
Fuck you libfags
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/06/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-secret-documents-show
Fuck you libfags
Let's see straw boy's attempt to spin this in order to defend his personal savior Hussein Obama.
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he would have to be a retard to want to be captured by the Taliban
from what I've read it sounds like he was just an idiot who thought he could wander around the countryside
Skip posted that he had done this twice before and if that's the case then he probably thought he could do it again and this time his luck ran out
No Soldier just wanders around the countryside, not on active Service. If he was caught doing this twice before then why was he still out there? surly a high risk to his comrades. i would not trust a wanker like this to cover my back. I don´t know about the US Army but the British Army would have removed him from duty. I am sure most guys in his unit wanted rid of him. Can´t blame the troops, they knew he was a waste of space. Muslim loving Kunt.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/06/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-secret-documents-show
Fuck you libfags
hey dipshit
are you ever going to learn to read the articles before you post them?
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No Soldier just wanders around the countryside, not on active Service. If he was caught doing this twice before then why was he still out there? surly a high risk to his comrades. i would not trust a wanker like this to cover my back. I don´t know about the US Army but the British Army would have removed him from duty. I am sure most guys in his unit wanted rid of him. Can´t blame the troops, they knew he was a waste of space. Muslim loving Kunt.
well I guess you of all people would know since you were with him at the time
I'm just repeating what Skip wrote in an earlier post
One thing I know for sure is that every poster on this board (except for one person) is just repeating the crap they hear in the media and there is no doubt that a lot of it will turn out to be false or greatly lacking in accurate details
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No Soldier just wanders around the countryside, not on active Service. If he was caught doing this twice before then why was he still out there? surly a high risk to his comrades. i would not trust a wanker like this to cover my back. I don´t know about the US Army but the British Army would have removed him from duty. I am sure most guys in his unit wanted rid of him. Can´t blame the troops, they knew he was a waste of space. Muslim loving Kunt.
He was supposed to have done this atleast once. I'm reading between the lines but I think he wasn't going outside the wire anymore but had him doing bullshit details. As a leader I would have had him on the next bird smoking outa there...HOWEVER...I suspect the leadership had things like sandbag repair and other shit and figured they would get the shitbird to do it..what's the worst that could happen. I bet the DUSTWUN call that went into their battalion had to really suck to make.
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hey dipshit
are you ever going to learn to read the articles before you post them?
Everything so far from. Imam Obama has been a lie
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well I guess you of all people would know since you were with him at the time
I'm just repeating what Skip wrote in an earlier post
One thing I know for sure is that every poster on this board (except for one person) is just repeating the crap they hear in the media and there is no doubt that a lot of it will turn out to be false or greatly lacking in accurate details
I was on active Service and i know this is not, never known.
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I was on active Service and i know this is not, never known.
yet from multiple reports that appears to be exactly what he did
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EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in captivity, secret documents show
By James Rosen
Published June 05, 2014FoxNews.com
U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.
The reports indicate that Bergdahl's relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, "he became much more of an accepted fellow" than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times.
The documents show that Bergdahl at one point escaped his captors for five days and was kept, upon his re-capture, in a metal cage, like an animal. In addition, the reports detail discussions of prisoner swaps and other attempts at a negotiated resolution to the case that appear to have commenced as early as the fall of 2009.
The reports are rich in on-the-ground detail -- including the names and locations of the Haqqani commanders who ran the 200-man rotation used to guard the Idaho native -- and present the most detailed view yet of what Bergdahl's life over the past five years has been like. These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.
The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial.
Clarridge counts a number of achievements in his spy career as well, including a prominent role in the establishment of a national counterrorism center at CIA, a move widely copied around the world by foreign intelligence agencies. A New York Times profile of Clarridge published in January 2011 disclosed the contractual relationship Eclipse had with the Pentagon, through subcontractors, and reported further that Clarridge's activities had included efforts to help find Bergdahl.
Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract through the assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the elaborate network of informants and handlers that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl's status.
Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brig. Gen. Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.
Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley.
The latter is now commanding general at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence and Fort Huachuca, where a message left with the public affairs office was not immediately returned.
The documents obtained by Fox News show that Eclipse developed and transmitted numerous status reports on the whereabouts of the errant American soldier, spanning a period from October 2009, roughly three months after Bergdahl reportedly walked off his base in Afghanistan and fell into custody of the Haqqani network, up through August 2012.
At one point -- in late June 2010, after Bergdahl succeeded in one of his escape attempts -- the Haqqani commanders constructed a special metal cage for him, and confined him to it. At other points, however, Bergdahl was reported to be happily playing soccer with the Haqqani fighters, taking part in AK-47 target practice and being permitted to carry a firearm of his own, laughing frequently and proclaiming "Salaam," the Arabic word for "peace."
Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.
Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community -- despite intensive investigation of such allegations -- ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. "We were always looking for actionable intelligence," Mattis said. "It wasn't just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. ... There was never any evidence of collaboration."
Fox News reported on Monday that Bergdahl was the subject of a "major classified file" prepared by the U.S. intelligence community, and that many members of that community harbored concerns that Bergdahl, during his period of captivity, may have engaged in collaboration with the enemy.
Experts consulted by Fox News said that SITREP # 3023 presents a picture of an American captive who, if not an active collaborator, may have succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome -- the dynamic by which hostages can become enamored of their captors and join their cause -- or simply feigned allegiance in order to survive. The report cited a source new to Eclipse -- a member of the Haqqani network said to be close to Mullah Sangeen, the Haqqani commander charged at all points over the last five years with operational custody and control of Bergdahl -- whose trustworthiness had not been fully vetted by the group. However, the report stated, the informant "does have plausible access to the information reported below, and claims to have seen Bergdahl personally in Shawal," in North Waziristan.
"In the early stages Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's captivity," the report states, "he was held at Palasin, Naurak, FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], under the control of Mullah Sangeen and under the direct supervision of Haji Mursaleem, Sangeen's father. Conditions and locality changed after Mursaleem died [in September 2010], and Bergdahl was kept under tight guard after his attempted escape from his new place of detention in Shawal.
"As of August 2012," the report continues, "the person with responsibility for Bergdahl's captivity is Sangeen's brother, who has delegated the actual guarding of Bergdahl to Abubakr Asadkhel, a Burra Khel Wazir loyal to Sangeen, and whose sub-tribe lives in Shawal. Abubakr leads approximately 200 armed men from his tribe and operates from five bases (markaz) in Shawal. ... Abubakr's tribe is one of the prosperous branches of the Wazir and owns lots of trucks. Abubakr circulates his prisoner between schools in the area he controls, and his different insurgent bases."
Conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid. Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion. Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and bounds around the pitch like a mad man. He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying 'Salaam' repeatedly.
At other points, the SITREPs depict a much nastier relationship between Bergdahl and his captors. In July 2010, Eclipse SITREPs based on confidential talks with Afghan Taliban commanders reported that "the original command structure for the responsibility of holding the captured soldier remains intact."
Overall responsibility for the captive is in the hands of Haqqani commander Sangeen, with Bandiwan, one of his deputies, responsible for making the detailed arrangements. There are two locations where the soldier is kept: one in Degan and the other in Shawal, North Waziristan. When in Degan he is kept in the compound of Eid Wale, a local Dawr who is close to Sangeen and is a chromite dealer. The other location is at Shawal. The [source] confirmed that the soldier had been missing for five days and when he was recovered, he was a little worse from wear (lack of food; a bit slimmer) but otherwise in good health.
But an earlier dispatch stated that after his re-capture, on or about June 22, 2010, Bergdahl was "in ill-health, and has been collapsing."A SITREP dated one week before Bergdahl's ill-fated escape attempt placed him in the Bazaar area of Miramshah, and noted that "he seemed not to be tightly controlled."
The Eclipse reports suggest that negotiations over Bergdahl's fate began within a few months after his capture. An October 2009 SITREP disclosed that Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Pashtun warlord controlling the broader network that bears his name, had reached out through Pakistani political contacts to propose a prisoner swap. A July 2010 SITREP stated that two months prior, in late May, "negotiations between the Haqqani and representatives of the missing US soldier collapsed." At that point, the report said, Bergdahl was moved to a more secure location.
The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents' dispatches as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports." The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case -- all previously unpublished -- available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: "We know what we're talking about."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/05/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-secret-documents-show/
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yet from multiple reports that appears to be exactly what he did
Well don´t you think that his walk arounds were not for a reason? Meeting the enemy? intelligence?..
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EXCLUSIVE: Bergdahl declared jihad in captivity, secret documents show
By James Rosen
Published June 05, 2014FoxNews.com
U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.
The reports indicate that Bergdahl's relations with his Haqqani captors morphed over time, from periods of hostility, where he was treated very much like a hostage, to periods where, as one source told Fox News, "he became much more of an accepted fellow" than is popularly understood. He even reportedly was allowed to carry a gun at times.
The documents show that Bergdahl at one point escaped his captors for five days and was kept, upon his re-capture, in a metal cage, like an animal. In addition, the reports detail discussions of prisoner swaps and other attempts at a negotiated resolution to the case that appear to have commenced as early as the fall of 2009.
The reports are rich in on-the-ground detail -- including the names and locations of the Haqqani commanders who ran the 200-man rotation used to guard the Idaho native -- and present the most detailed view yet of what Bergdahl's life over the past five years has been like. These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.
The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial.
Clarridge counts a number of achievements in his spy career as well, including a prominent role in the establishment of a national counterrorism center at CIA, a move widely copied around the world by foreign intelligence agencies. A New York Times profile of Clarridge published in January 2011 disclosed the contractual relationship Eclipse had with the Pentagon, through subcontractors, and reported further that Clarridge's activities had included efforts to help find Bergdahl.
Clarridge told Fox News his group enjoyed a subcontract through the assistant Secretary of Defense for Special Operations and Low-Intensity Conflict from November 2009 through May 31, 2010, and that after the contract was terminated, he invested some $50,000 of his own money to maintain the elaborate network of informants and handlers that had yielded such detailed accounts of Bergdahl's status.
Clarridge further told Fox News that by the end of 2010, he had furnished at least 13 of these detailed SITREPs, or situation reports, that his network generated about Bergdahl to Brig. Gen. Robert P. Ashley Jr., who in April 2010 was named director of intelligence, at the J-2 level, at U.S. Central Command, or CENTCOM, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Florida.
Clarridge said Eclipse SITREP # 3023, dated Aug. 23, 2012 -- in which a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors, reported that the American prisoner had declared himself a "mujahid" -- was among the reports provided to Ashley.
The latter is now commanding general at the U.S. Army Intelligence Center of Excellence and Fort Huachuca, where a message left with the public affairs office was not immediately returned.
The documents obtained by Fox News show that Eclipse developed and transmitted numerous status reports on the whereabouts of the errant American soldier, spanning a period from October 2009, roughly three months after Bergdahl reportedly walked off his base in Afghanistan and fell into custody of the Haqqani network, up through August 2012.
At one point -- in late June 2010, after Bergdahl succeeded in one of his escape attempts -- the Haqqani commanders constructed a special metal cage for him, and confined him to it. At other points, however, Bergdahl was reported to be happily playing soccer with the Haqqani fighters, taking part in AK-47 target practice and being permitted to carry a firearm of his own, laughing frequently and proclaiming "Salaam," the Arabic word for "peace."
Reached by telephone, retired U.S. Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, a 45-year service veteran who served as CENTCOM commander from August 2010 to August 2012, told Fox News he may have received bits and pieces of the intelligence generated by Eclipse, but said Ashley, with whom he maintained a close working relationship, had not forwarded on to him the specific SITREPs cited by Fox News.
Mattis was also adamant that no one at CENTCOM or within the broader U.S. military or intelligence community -- despite intensive investigation of such allegations -- ever learned of anything to suggest Bergdahl had evolved into an active collaborator with the Haqqani network or the Taliban. "We were always looking for actionable intelligence," Mattis said. "It wasn't just the IC [intelligence community]. We had tactical units that were involved in the fight. We had SIGINT. Any collaborators who were on the other side and who came over to our side. We kept an eye on this. ... There was never any evidence of collaboration."
Fox News reported on Monday that Bergdahl was the subject of a "major classified file" prepared by the U.S. intelligence community, and that many members of that community harbored concerns that Bergdahl, during his period of captivity, may have engaged in collaboration with the enemy.
Experts consulted by Fox News said that SITREP # 3023 presents a picture of an American captive who, if not an active collaborator, may have succumbed to Stockholm Syndrome -- the dynamic by which hostages can become enamored of their captors and join their cause -- or simply feigned allegiance in order to survive. The report cited a source new to Eclipse -- a member of the Haqqani network said to be close to Mullah Sangeen, the Haqqani commander charged at all points over the last five years with operational custody and control of Bergdahl -- whose trustworthiness had not been fully vetted by the group. However, the report stated, the informant "does have plausible access to the information reported below, and claims to have seen Bergdahl personally in Shawal," in North Waziristan.
"In the early stages Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's captivity," the report states, "he was held at Palasin, Naurak, FATA [Federally Administered Tribal Areas], under the control of Mullah Sangeen and under the direct supervision of Haji Mursaleem, Sangeen's father. Conditions and locality changed after Mursaleem died [in September 2010], and Bergdahl was kept under tight guard after his attempted escape from his new place of detention in Shawal.
"As of August 2012," the report continues, "the person with responsibility for Bergdahl's captivity is Sangeen's brother, who has delegated the actual guarding of Bergdahl to Abubakr Asadkhel, a Burra Khel Wazir loyal to Sangeen, and whose sub-tribe lives in Shawal. Abubakr leads approximately 200 armed men from his tribe and operates from five bases (markaz) in Shawal. ... Abubakr's tribe is one of the prosperous branches of the Wazir and owns lots of trucks. Abubakr circulates his prisoner between schools in the area he controls, and his different insurgent bases."
Conditions for Bergdahl have greatly relaxed since the time of the escape. Bergdahl has converted to Islam and now describes himself as a mujahid. Bergdahl enjoys a modicum of freedom, and engages in target practice with the local mujahedeen, firing AK47s. Bergdahl is even allowed to carry a loaded gun on occasion. Bergdahl plays soccer with his guards and bounds around the pitch like a mad man. He appears to be well and happy, and has a noticeable habit of laughing frequently and saying 'Salaam' repeatedly.
At other points, the SITREPs depict a much nastier relationship between Bergdahl and his captors. In July 2010, Eclipse SITREPs based on confidential talks with Afghan Taliban commanders reported that "the original command structure for the responsibility of holding the captured soldier remains intact."
Overall responsibility for the captive is in the hands of Haqqani commander Sangeen, with Bandiwan, one of his deputies, responsible for making the detailed arrangements. There are two locations where the soldier is kept: one in Degan and the other in Shawal, North Waziristan. When in Degan he is kept in the compound of Eid Wale, a local Dawr who is close to Sangeen and is a chromite dealer. The other location is at Shawal. The [source] confirmed that the soldier had been missing for five days and when he was recovered, he was a little worse from wear (lack of food; a bit slimmer) but otherwise in good health.
But an earlier dispatch stated that after his re-capture, on or about June 22, 2010, Bergdahl was "in ill-health, and has been collapsing."A SITREP dated one week before Bergdahl's ill-fated escape attempt placed him in the Bazaar area of Miramshah, and noted that "he seemed not to be tightly controlled."
The Eclipse reports suggest that negotiations over Bergdahl's fate began within a few months after his capture. An October 2009 SITREP disclosed that Sirajuddin Haqqani, the Pashtun warlord controlling the broader network that bears his name, had reached out through Pakistani political contacts to propose a prisoner swap. A July 2010 SITREP stated that two months prior, in late May, "negotiations between the Haqqani and representatives of the missing US soldier collapsed." At that point, the report said, Bergdahl was moved to a more secure location.
The New York Times, in its 2011 profile of Clarridge, described his agents' dispatches as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports." The fabled ex-spook made the more than one dozen SITREPs that Eclipse prepared on the Bergdahl case -- all previously unpublished -- available to Fox News because he wanted to demonstrate, as he put it: "We know what we're talking about."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/05/exclusive-bergdahl-declared-jihad-secret-documents-show/
so he tried to escape multiple times and was kept in a cage and yet he was also allowed to shoot a gun and play soccer yet he was also so weak he was collapsing
All this info comes from a group led by a person who indicted for lying to Congress
Oh yes, and the alleged declaration of jihad came from a member of the Haqqani network, said to be close to Bergdahl's captors .....hmm why would they lie about that? I'm sure we can trust this person to tell the truth
The way the media is handling this event is truly pathetic
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Well don´t you think that his walk arounds were not for a reason? Meeting the enemy? intelligence?..
I have no idea but why would you assume he's somehow setting up covert meeting with the "enemy" or providing them intelligence especially when there is zero evidence of that
Much more plausible to assume that he just wanted to get the hell away on his own (granted this is fucking stupid to borderline retarded given that he is in a war zone) and he made comments and request to this as has been reported in the media
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bowe-bergdahl-freed-soldier-hero-or-deserter-n121756
Other soldiers say he used to gaze at the mountains around them, wonder aloud if he could get to China from there, and ask questions like whether he could leave camp alone with his gun and night vision goggles. Sgt. Josh Korder, who served in Bergdahl’s platoon, told TODAY that Bergdahl became disillusioned with combat and “just wanted to go on an adventure and walk the mountains of Afghanistan and not have anybody to answer to.
I, like you and almost everyone else actually have no idea what happened at this point in time.
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It's funny how bias works. During the whole Zimmerman thing a lot of the same people who are arguing that we don't know the facts, we can't make assumptions about Bergdahls intentions and that we can't know what happened because we weren't there are the same folks who did those very things during the Zimmerman case. It's all political bullshit and about circling the wagons.
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It's funny how bias works. During the whole Zimmerman thing a lot of the same people who are arguing that we don't know the facts, we can't make assumptions about Bergdahls intentions and that we can't know what happened because we weren't there are the same folks who did those very things during the Zimmerman case. It's all political bullshit and about circling the wagons.
we had an abundance of facts about the Zimmerman situation, basically everything except how the fight started.
we have very little info on Bergdahl and frankly the media should stop publishing speculation based on formerly discredited sources. The problem with our media is that they have stop reporting the news and have moved on to creating the news and trying to influence the story for their own agenda
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I have no idea but why would you assume he's somehow setting up covert meeting with the "enemy" or providing them intelligence especially when there is zero evidence of that
Much more plausible to assume that he just wanted to get the hell away on his own (granted this is fucking stuborderline retarded given that he is in a war zone) and he made comments and request to this as has been reported in the media
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bowe-bergdahl-freed-soldier-hero-or-deserter-n121756
I, like you and almost everyone else actually have no idea what happened at this point in time.
yeah he just wanted to get away from his OWN..fuck off.
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we had an abundance of facts about the Zimmerman situation, basically everything except how the fight started.
we have very little info on Bergdahl and frankly the media should stop publishing speculation based on formerly discredited sources. The problem with our media is that they have stop reporting the news and have moved on to creating the news and trying to influence the story for their own agenda
Did we have an abundance of facts? What were the facts and how do they prove anything? You don't think the Zimmerman case wasn't an example of the news media creating a story to push an agenda? What relevance does the Zimmerman case have? Incidence of that kind are few and far between. How about NBC news editing the 911 call? Was that an example of pushing an agenda? The Bergdahl situations is much more relevant to the Zimmerman case by far but you didn't seem to mind all the media attention given to Zimmerman but do now with Bergdahl. You need to just admit all of this is political for you.
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yeah he just wanted to get away from his OWN..fuck off.
Its funny, he says don't make assumptions about Bergdahl while simultaneously providing an explanation for his behavior that supports his position. Its all partisan bullshit.
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yeah he just wanted to get away from his OWN..fuck off.
weird reaction to me posting an excerpt from an article and a link
I guess you're prefer the "pull and opinion out of your ass and pretend it's fact" method that you employ
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Its funny, he says don't make assumptions about Bergdahl while simultaneously providing an explanation for his behavior that supports his position. Its all partisan bullshit.
great reading comprehension
I merely questioned his ridiculous statement and said multiple times that I (just like you and everyone else) have no idea at this point what occurred
I have no idea but why would you assume he's somehow setting up covert meeting with the "enemy" or providing them intelligence especially when there is zero evidence of that
Much more plausible to assume that he just wanted to get the hell away on his own (granted this is fucking stupid to borderline retarded given that he is in a war zone) and he made comments and request to this as has been reported in the media
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bowe-bergdahl-released/bowe-bergdahl-freed-soldier-hero-or-deserter-n121756
I, like you and almost everyone else actually have no idea what happened at this point in time.
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weird reaction to me posting an excerpt from an article and a link
I guess you're prefer the "pull and opinion out of your ass and pretend it's fact" method that you employ
Anything to defend your lord and messiah right? The fact is yhat these islamic filth who are responsible for thousabds of deaths are now free to kill again all so that fagbama can get the va scandal off the news
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great reading comprehension
I merely questioned his ridiculous statement and said multiple times that I (just like you and everyone else) have no idea at this point what occurred
Susan Rice knows more than those who served w him right? Lmfao. You are a payhetic troll and lackey
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Did we have an abundance of facts? What were the facts and how do they prove anything? You don't think the Zimmerman case wasn't an example of the news media creating a story to push an agenda? What relevance does the Zimmerman case have? Incidence of that kind are few and far between. How about NBC news editing the 911 call? Was that an example of pushing an agenda? The Bergdahl situations is much more relevant to the Zimmerman case by far but you didn't seem to mind all the media attention given to Zimmerman but do now with Bergdahl. You need to just admit all of this is political for you.
yep, that was bullshit and I commented on it at the time and that person was fired
My statement about Zimmerman is self explanatory. We have virtually all the facts on Zimmerman shooting except how the fight started.
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Anything to defend your lord and messiah right? The fact is yhat these islamic filth who are responsible for thousabds of deaths are now free to kill again all so that fagbama can get the va scandal off the news
Hey closet queen
go find a post where I said Obama is my messiah or STFU with that crap
the only one on this board who worships Obama is you
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great reading comprehension
I merely questioned his ridiculous statement and said multiple times that I (just like you and everyone else) have no idea at this point what occurred
I can't even take you seriously anymore. You're as bad a shill as the republican water carriers on this board.
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Susan Rice knows more than those who served w him right? Lmfao. You are a payhetic troll and lackey
really
the biggest troll and closet case on this board is accusing me of trolling
I guess in your mind trolling is countering arguments with quotes and links
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I can't even take you seriously anymore. You're as bad a shill as the republican water carriers on this board.
I've tried to take seriously but I see it's futile
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Administration official apologizes for tweets suggesting Bergdahl platoon 'psychopaths'
Fox News ^ | Jun 6, 2014
Posted on June 6, 2014 at 1:33:38 PM EDT by KeyLargo
White House Administration official apologizes for tweets suggesting Bergdahl platoon 'psychopaths' Published June 05, 2014 FoxNews.com
WASHINGTON – An Obama administration official apologized Thursday after suggesting on Twitter that Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon might have been filled with “psychopaths” – in an apparent attempt to defend Bergdahl against criticism from his fellow soldiers.
Brandon Friedman, deputy assistant secretary for public affairs at the Department of Housing and Urban Development, sent out a series of tweets Wednesday night questioning those soldiers trying to “smear” Bergdahl for abandoning his post in 2009.
The first said: “Here's the thing about Bergdahl and the Jump-to-Conclusions mats: What if his platoon was long on psychopaths and short on leadership?
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
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yep, that was bullshit and I commented on it at the time and that person was fired
My statement about Zimmerman is self explanatory. We have virtually all the facts on Zimmerman shooting except how the fight started.
Translation: you are talking out of your ass as usual and can't back up your argument about the abundance of facts.
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I've tried to take seriously but I see it's futile
At least 333 and Coach can be humorous with their partisanship. Youre just a boring run of the mill partisan ideologue.
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Susan Rice defends Bergdahl comments, calls his service 'honorable' (Doubling down)
CNN ^ | June 6, 2014 | Jim Acosta, Senior White House Correspondent
Posted on June 6, 2014 at 12:57:49 PM EDT by 2ndDivisionVet
(VIDEO-AT-LINK)
Colleville-sur-Mer, FRANCE (CNN) -- President Barack Obama's national security adviser said Friday that her full-throated praise of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl was appropriate given the former Taliban prisoner's willingness to go to war for his country -- despite questions about whether or not he deserted his Army colleagues.
Susan Rice, who on Sunday said Bergdahl served the United States with "honor and distinction," told CNN in an interview that she was speaking about the fact the Idaho native enlisted and went to Afghanistan in the service of his country.
"I realize there has been lots of discussion and controversy around this," Rice said. "But what I was referring to was the fact that this was a young man who volunteered to serve his country in uniform at a time of war. That, in and of itself, is a very honorable thing."(continued)
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
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Translation: you are talking out of your ass as usual and can't back up your argument about the abundance of facts.
are you referring to Zimmerman?
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are you referring to Zimmerman?
Well, isn't that the context you used the term abundance of facts. You don't have much self awareness do you?
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At least 333 and Coach can be humorous with their partisanship. Youre just a boring run of the mill partisan ideologue.
I make no apologies for my sheer hatred and disgust of all things obama and the far left. None at all f em. I would pay anything to kenya for them to take back its native son.
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At least 333 and Coach can be humorous with their partisanship. Youre just a boring run of the mill partisan ideologue.
nothing I've posted on this board can be defined as partisan
the basic premise of all my posts is that at this point we have very few facts about what happened with Bergdahl.
If you choose to view that as a partisan position then so be it
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nothing I've posted on this board can be defined as partisan
the basic premise of all my posts is that at this point we have very few facts about what happened with Bergdahl.
If you choose to view that as a partisan position then so be it
You're joking right? I was right, you aren't the least bit self aware.
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Well, isn't that the context you used the term abundance of facts. You don't have much self awareness do you?
just wanted to make sure you were referring to Zimmerman
I assume you are aware there was a trial where and ABUNDANCE of FACTS became known and the only thing we did not find out was who started/escalated the fight.
I'm surprised an informed guy like you was not aware of the trial
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You're joking right? I was right, you aren't the least bit self aware.
I see you have no actual counter argument
feel free to address my statement if you can
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nothing I've posted on this board can be defined as partisan
the basic premise of all my posts is that at this point we have very few facts about what happened with Bergdahl.
If you choose to view that as a partisan position then so be it
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Gtfo! Lmfao!
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just wanted to make sure you were referring to Zimmerman
I assume you are aware there was a trial where and ABUNDANCE of FACTS became known and the only thing we did not find out was who started/escalated the fight.
I'm surprised an informed guy like you was not aware of the trial
What are those facts? If you're so aware of the trial it should be easy to answer.
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What are those facts? If you're so aware of the trial it should be easy to answer.
you really want to talk about Zimmerman
how about we bump some old threads where we (everyone here) discussed it
ad nauseam
the only thing we didn't learn in the trial was who started the confrontation and/or escalated
no one saw it and Zimmerman didn't take the stand under oath
do you deny that?
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you really want to talk about Zimmerman
how about we bump some old threads where we (everyone here) discussed it
ad nauseam
the only thing we didn't learn in the trial was who started the confrontation and/or escalated
no one saw it and Zimmerman didn't take the stand under oath
do you deny that?
I'm only pointing out the total hypocrisy of the we don't know the facts about bergdahl club. The same individuals who rendered judgement before the trial and who seem capable of understanding and describing Zimmermans every thought and action. Chief among then, Goodrum. And beyond getbig, the media.
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I'm only pointing out the total hypocrisy of the we don't know the facts about bergdahl club. The same individuals who rendered judgement before the trial and who seem capable of understanding and describing Zimmermans every thought and action. Chief among then, Goodrum. And beyond getbig, the media.
We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin
We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead
We all knew that from almost the very beginning. The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started
In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0
are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this
http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798
But Mr. Hagel cautioned against a rush to judgment. "Let's get the facts, but first let's focus on getting Sgt. Bergdahl well," he said.
Mr. Hagel repeatedly said the U.S. had a responsibility to get its soldiers back.
Mr. Hagel said that until the facts were in and investigations were complete, it was "a bit unfair to presume anything."
"We don't do that in the United States," he said.
The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html
In a separate posting on Facebook, Dempsey said of Bergdahl:
"Like any American, he is innocent until proven guilty. Our Army’s leaders will not look away from misconduct if it occurred."
Any decision on disciplinary measures will be up to the Army, Dempsey said in the interview. He said he does not want to pre-judge Bergdahl or say anything that might influence Army commanders.
In the Facebook post, Dempsey said in response to "those of you interested in my personal judgments about the recovery of SGT. Bowe Bergdahl, the questions about this particular soldier’s conduct are separate from our effort to recover ANY U.S. service member in enemy captivity."
He added: "This was likely the last, best opportunity to free him."
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We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin
We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead
We all knew that from almost the very beginning. The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started
In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0
are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this
http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798
The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html
Lmfao. It takes effort to be this dumb if you believe this. Ghettobama and rice already said he served honorably and gave a hero welcome in the roae garden.
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Lmfao. It takes effort to be this dumb if you believe this. Ghettobama and rice already said he served honorably and gave a hero welcome in the roae garden.
great job as usual not being able to refute one thing I've posted
I'm sure a well informed guy like you already knows he was promoted twice while he was in captivity
why don't you go back to jerking off to your prized video of Obama working out
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We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin
We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead
We all knew that from almost the very beginning. The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started
There aren't facts. What you are presenting is pure speculation about Zimmermans motivation. One could easily argue that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in recently experienced multiple break-ins by young black men that it would only be natural for anyone to take notice of an unfamiliar young black male walking around the neighborhood. If purple haired midgets were robbing McDonalds I would be highly suspicious if I saw one at McDonalds.
Stalking is a loaded word and based on your interpretation rather than facts. By describing Zimmerman as stalking Trayvon you are placing the two in opposition or in others words as predator and prey. What you are saying is from the start Zimmerman intended to do Trayvon harm and that is pure speculation. You've ascribed intent on Zimmerman that you can't objectively prove.
Below is the definition of stalking
stalking [staw-king] S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
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There aren't facts. What you are presenting is pure speculation about Zimmermans motivation. One could easily argue that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in recently experienced multiple break-ins by young black men that it would only be natural for anyone to take notice of an unfamiliar young black male walking around the neighborhood. If purple haired midgets were robbing McDonalds I would be highly suspicious if I saw one at McDonalds.
Stalking is a loaded word and based on your interpretation rather than facts. By describing Zimmerman as stalking Trayvon you are placing the two in opposition or in others words as predator and prey. What you are saying is from the start Zimmerman intended to do Trayvon harm and that is pure speculation. You've ascribed intent on Zimmerman that you can't objectively prove.
Below is the definition of stalking
stalking [staw-king] S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
the best you can do is argue semantics?
the 2nd definition say "pertaining to the act of pursuing OR harassing"
we know for a fact that he was pursuing Martin. Zimmerman said so himself
what else ya got?
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the best you can do is argue semantics?
the 2nd definition say "pertaining to the act of pursuing OR harassing"
we know for a fact that he was pursuing Martin. Zimmerman said so himself
what else ya got?
So its pursuing Martin now? Words have meaning and how they are used changes the subtext dramatically. Following, pursuing and stalking don't mean the same thing. Yes, the second definition says harassing and that proves my point. By using the term you're saying that Zimmerman from the beginning was intent on harassing or harming Martin. You're making a judgement about Zimmerman's intent thus your opinion will be inclined toward bias against Zimmerman.
Here are two examples.
The man stalked the woman down the street.
The man followed the woman down the street.
The first example explicitly implies ill intent on the part of the man but the second example does not. In the second example the man might very well be walking with his wife down the street with no malicious intent.
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So its pursuing Martin now? Words have meaning and how they are used changes the subtext dramatically. Following, pursuing and stalking don't mean the same thing. Yes, the second definition says harassing and that proves my point. By using the term you're saying that Zimmerman from the beginning was intent on harassing or harming Martin. You're making a judgement about Zimmerman's intent thus your opinion will be inclined toward bias against Zimmerman.
Here are two examples.
The man stalked the woman down the street.
The man followed the woman down the street.
The first example explicitly implies ill intent on the part of the man but the second example does not. In the second example the man might very well be walking with his wife down the street with no malicious intent.
I'm using the definition that YOU provided which was "pursuing" or "harassing" and Zimmerman admitted pursuing Martin
Here's the 911 call where Zimmerman said that Martin is running and he is following him and I'm sure even you would agree that "follow" and "pursue" are
synonymous so my use of the work stalking is fine.
Again, why the tortured attempt to make a semantic argument over Zimmerman when it's got nothing to do with Bergdahl
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I'm using the definition that YOU provided which was "pursuing" or "harassing" and Zimmerman admitted pursuing Martin
Here's the 911 call where Zimmerman said that Martin is running and he is following him and I'm sure even you would agree that "follow" and "pursue" are
synonymous so my use of the work stalking is fine.
Again, why the tortured attempt to make a semantic argument over Zimmerman when it's got nothing to do with Bergdahl
Again, you're only proving my point. You're assuming he was intent on harassing Martin but you can't prove that. You're speculating on his intentions. I could easily counter speculated that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in had recently been subjected to a string of home break-ins by young black males, Zimmerman was right to be suspicious upon seeing an unrecognizable young black male in the neighborhood.
How you arrived at the idea that you can use stalking because follow and pursue are as you say synonymous is a huge leap in logic. If you were walking with your boyfriend down the street would you use the word stalk? You wouldn't because the implications of the word stalk don't fit the context of the situation.
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Again, you're only proving my point. You're assuming he was intent on harassing Martin but you can't prove that. You're speculating on his intentions. I could easily counter speculated that because the neighborhood Zimmerman lived in had recently been subjected to a string of home break-ins by young black males, Zimmerman was right to be suspicious upon seeing an unrecognizable young black male in the neighborhood.
How you arrived at the idea that you can use stalking because follow and pursue are as you say synonymous is a huge leap in logic. If you were walking with your boyfriend down the street would you use the word stalk? You wouldn't because the implications of the word stalk don't fit the context of the situation.
I've never said that or implied
I said he was "stalking" Martin and by the definition you provided stalking can be defined as "pursuing" and Zimmerman admitted following Martin which is the same as pursuing
I never said he was "intent on harassing" him or anything else like that
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I've never said that or implied
I said he was "stalking" Martin and by the definition you provided stalking can be defined as "pursuing" and Zimmerman admitted following Martin which is the same as pursuing
I never said he was "intent on harassing" him or anything else like that
Thats part of the definition of stalking.
And we do have plenty of info about Bergdahl. We know what he was thinking about before he left from emails. We know that he make comments to those in his unit about leaving. We have corroborating statements from multiple soldiers that he intended or at the very least was considering deserting. Thats a hell of a lot of information. Way more evidence for motivation and cause than was ever given in the zimmerman case.
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Thats part of the definition of stalking.
And we do have plenty of info about Bergdahl. We know what he was thinking about before he left from emails. We know that he make comments to those in his unit about leaving. We have corroborating statements from multiple soldiers that he intended or at the very least was considering deserting. Thats a hell of a lot of information. Way more evidence for motivation and cause than was ever given in the zimmerman case.
the definition you provided
stalking [staw-king] S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
the act of pursuing was exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing
it doesn't say pursuing AND harassing...it says pursuing OR harassing
everything you said about Bergdahl is stuff that I've already mentioned
We all can agree he left his unit and that's pretty much all we know at this point
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the definition you provided
stalking [staw-king] S
1.
the act or an instance of stalking, or harassing another in an aggressive, often threatening and illegal manner:
2.
of or pertaining to the act of pursuing or harassing
the act of pursuing was exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing
it doesn't say pursuing AND harassing...it says pursuing OR harassing
everything you said about Bergdahl is stuff that I've already mentioned
We all can agree he left his unit and that's pretty much all we know at this point
This only proves my point. The word stalking as very specific implications and that is why you used the word. A word by the way that was very popular on the left. You didnt even come up with the useage of the word for the zimmerman case yourself. You just regurgitated what you read and watched.
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This only proves my point. The word stalking as very specific implications and that is why you used the word. A word by the way that was very popular on the left. You didnt even come up with the useage of the word for the zimmerman case yourself. You just regurgitated what you read and watched.
how do you think it proves your point when one of the definitions of stalking it "to pursue" and that's exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing.
These are absolutely my words and the 911 call where Zimmerman admits following Martin are his words
what exactly do you think I'm "regurgitating" and how do you know what I've read and watched
What a wrote is a pretty concise summation of what happened.
We had a LOT more facts about Zimmerman and Martin
We had a kid walking home from the store who was falsely profiled, stalked and ultimately shot dead
We all knew that from almost the very beginning. The only thing we didn't know and NEVER found out was how the fight started
In comparison we know almost nothing about Bergdahl except that he walked off camp after having talked about doing that very thing and according to this source had done it before. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/asia/bowe-bergdahl-walked-away-before-military-report-says.html?_r=0
are you aware the even the military right up to Chuck Hagel has said this
http://online.wsj.com/articles/chuck-hagel-unaware-of-soldiers-killed-in-search-for-bowe-bergdahl-1401886798
The only thing that seems pretty clear at this point is that he willfully left the camp. The army hasn't yet started an investigation but it appears that they will at some point.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dempsey-deserter-soldier-20140603-story.html
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Only an idiot like straw is concerned w ashtray while the ghetto pos he voted for 2x over just released 5 of the worst terrorists on the planet. Good job asshole.
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how do you think it proves your point when one of the definitions of stalking it "to pursue" and that's exactly what Zimmerman admitted doing.
These are absolutely my words and the 911 call where Zimmerman admits following Martin are his words
what exactly do you think I'm "regurgitating" and how do you know what I've read and watched
What a wrote is a pretty concise summation of what happened.
That only a partial definition of stalk and only an aspect of what the word means. Pursue and follow have negative connotations but only the particular context in which they are used.
Why did the news source you took the usesge from use that term instead of follow or pursue? They use the term stalk because of the connotations the word has. Stalk implies predatory behavior and thats precisely why it was being used to describe Zimmerman actions. This was the narrative on the left and the one you decided to regurgitate. I know you regurgitate information because what you post is a rehash of opinions ive read and seen myself, right down to the usage of the word stalk.
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Only an idiot like straw is concerned w ashtray while the ghetto pos he voted for 2x over just released 5 of the worst terrorists on the planet. Good job asshole.
Hes has to be young. I deal with arguments like his all the time.
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That only a partial definition of stalk and only an aspect of what the word means. Pursue and follow have negative connotations but only the particular context in which they are used.
Why did the news source you took the usesge from use that term instead of follow or pursue? They use the term stalk because of the connotations the word has. Stalk implies predatory behavior and thats precisely why it was being used to describe Zimmerman actions. This was the narrative on the left and the one you decided to regurgitate. I know you regurgitate information because what you post is a rehash of opinions ive read and seen myself, right down to the usage of the word stalk.
Archer, I honestly can't figure out if you're slow or just have really poor reading comprehension
I'm going to shorten my responses to you so that you can focus on only one thing at a time
Let's start with this
Would you agree that the word "pursue" and the word "follow" are basically synonymous
yes or no
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PESHAWAR, Pakistan - One of the five Taliban leaders freed from Guantanamo Bay in return for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's release has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan, according to a fellow militant and a relative.
"After arriving in Qatar, Noorullah Noori kept insisting he would go to Afghanistan and fight American forces there,” a Taliban commander told NBC News via telephone from Afghanistan.
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FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.
Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."
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FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.
Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."
Posted the video in another thread here.
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zimm's own words... "He's running away" LOL...
dude was winded, armed, and advancing 2 blocks in under a minute thru backyards to "observe" a person he called a fcking punk and a-hole, who was then shot dead 60 seconds later.
9 outta 10 times, Zimm is going to jail for something here. But it was a unique mix of the law, media, hype, etc that he walked on the charge. Nobody here would want zimm on their block, randomly chasing down kids with a 9mm in the middle of the night... cause one of these days, it might be any of us out for a jog when mr 9mm decides to chase us thru the darkness and lie about a whole lotta shit while we bleed out lol.
zimm is a prick. he chases a grown man 2 blocks with a 9mm in the rainy dark and there ain't no conversation - grown ass man fears for his life and shoots zimm as he advances. Zimm got luck he chose an unarmed kid. Try that shit in Texas... chase a man 2 blocks with a gun, mumbling profanity as the dude hides to avoid the MMA trained dude, 50 pounds larger, CHASING HIM.... LOL...
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FOX News: In a powerful interview with Megyn Kelly, six of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl's platoon members, including the platoon's former leader, spoke out on the latest developments in the embattled Taliban trade that secured Bergdahl's freedom.
Responding to Kelly's questions about an exclusive Fox News report by James Rosen that alleges Bergdahl converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "warrior for Islam," former platoon leader Evan Buetow said, "We knew that he had deserted."
what an idiotic excerpt
Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."
and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?
his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?
Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?
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His platoon called him a deserter who fraternized w locals. That is good enough for me. Obama and rice can both go suck a dick w their lies and treason.
what an idiotic excerpt
Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."
and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?
his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?
Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?
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what an idiotic excerpt
Megan Kelly references a report by by a group who's leader was indicted for lying to Congress and who's "reports" have been described by the New York times as "an amalgam of fact, rumor, analysis and uncorroborated reports."
and former platoon leader "responds" that "we knew he had deserted"?
his response has nothing to do with the nonsense that Megan Kelly was even referring to ?
Is it any surprise that people are so fucking confused all the time about almost everything?
You guys are funny, Obama never seems to know about anything, or "he can't watch what everyone does". But a PFC who is a shitbird, Obama and his admin know everything there is to possibly know about his service and motivations. Fucking priceless
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This.......
Why Team Obama Was Blindsided By The Bergdahl Backlash
By Ralph Peters
Congratulations, Mr. President! And identical congrats to your sorcerer’s apprentice, National Security Adviser Susan Rice. By trying to sell him as an American hero, you’ve turned a deserter already despised by soldiers in the know into quite possibly the most-hated individual soldier in the history of our military.
I have never witnessed such outrage from our troops.
Exhibit A: Ms. Rice. In one of the most tone-deaf statements in White House history (we’re making a lot of history here), the national-security adviser, on a Sunday talk show, described Bergdahl as having served “with honor and distinction.” Those serving in uniform and those of us who served previously were already stirred up, but that jaw-dropper drove us into jihad mode.
But pity Ms. Rice. Like the president she serves, she’s a victim of her class. Nobody in the inner circle of Team Obama has served in uniform. It shows. That bit about serving with “honor and distinction” is the sort of perfunctory catch-phrase politicians briefly don as electoral armor. (“At this point in your speech, ma’am, devote one sentence to how much you honor the troops.”)
I actually believe that Ms. Rice was kind of sincere, in her spectacularly oblivious way. In the best Manchurian Candidate manner, she said what she had been programmed to say by her political culture, then she was blindsided by the firestorm she ignited by scratching two flinty words together. At least she didn’t blame Bergdahl’s desertion on a video.
The president, too, appears stunned. He has so little understanding of (or interest in) the values and traditions of our troops that he and his advisers really believed that those in uniform would erupt into public joy at the news of Bergdahl’s release — as D.C. frat kids did when Osama bin Laden’s death was trumpeted.
Both President Obama and Ms. Rice seem to think that the crime of desertion in wartime is kind of like skipping class. They have no idea of how great a sin desertion in the face of the enemy is to those in our military. The only worse sin is to side actively with the enemy and kill your brothers in arms. This is not sleeping in on Monday morning and ducking Gender Studies 101.
But compassion, please! The president and all the president’s men and women are not alone. Our media elite — where it’s a rare bird who bothered to serve in uniform — instantly became experts on military justice. Of earnest mien and blithe assumption, one talking head after another announced that “we always try to rescue our troops, even deserters.”
Uh, no. “Save the deserter” is a recent battle cry of the politically indoctrinated brass. For much of our history, we did make some efforts to track down deserters in wartime. Then we shot or hanged them. Or, if we were in good spirits, we merely used a branding iron to burn a large D into their cheeks or foreheads. Even as we grew more enlightened, desertion brought serious time in a military prison. At hard labor.
This is a fundamental culture clash. Team Obama and its base cannot comprehend the values still cherished by those young Americans “so dumb” they joined the Army instead of going to prep school and then to Harvard. Values such as duty, honor, country, physical courage, and loyalty to your brothers and sisters in arms have no place in Obama World. (Military people don’t necessarily all like each other, but they know they can depend on each other in battle — the sacred trust Bergdahl violated.)
President Obama did this to himself (and to Bergdahl). This beautifully educated man, who never tires of letting us know how much smarter he is than the rest of us, never stopped to consider that our troops and their families might have been offended by their commander-in-chief staging a love-fest at the White House to celebrate trading five top terrorists for one deserter and featuring not the families of those soldiers (at least six of them) who died in the efforts to find and free Bergdahl, but, instead, giving a starring role on the international stage to Pa Taliban, parent of a deserter and a creature of dubious sympathies (that beard on pops ain’t a tribute to ZZ Top). How do you say “outrageous insult to our vets” in Pashto?
Nor, during the recent VA scandal, had the president troubled himself to host the families of survivors of those vets who died awaiting care. No, the warmest attention our president has ever paid to a “military family” was to Mr. and Mrs. Bergdahl.
(I will refrain from criticism of the bumptious attempts to cool the flames of this political conflagration by Secretary Hagel: I never pick on the weak.)
What is to be done? Behind the outrage triggered by Team Obama’s combination of cynicism and obliviousness (Bergdahl was so ill we had to set those terrorists free immediately, without notifying Congress, but now he’s chugging power shakes in a military hospital . . . and all this just happened to come at the peak of the VA scandal . . . ), military members don’t really want to lynch Bergdahl. But they want justice.
Our military leaders need to rediscover their moral courage and honor our traditions, our regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. We need a fresh, unprejudiced 15-6 investigation (the military equivalent of a grand jury). We already know, as the military has known since the first 24 hours after Bergdahl abandoned his post, that sufficient evidence exists for a court-martial, but it’s important to do this by the numbers.
It’s hard to believe that the resulting court-martial would not find Bergdahl guilty of desertion (although there will be heavy White House pressure to reduce the charge to Absent Without Leave, or AWOL, status, a lesser offense). If he is convicted, I for one do not want him to go to prison. I’m sure he has paid and paid for betraying his comrades, quite possibly suffering brutal sexual violence. But if he is found guilty, he needs to be formally reduced to the rank of private, stripped of all privileges and entitlements (the taxpayer should not pay for a deserter’s lifelong health care — Bergdahl’s book and film deals can cover that), and he should be given the appropriate prison sentence, which would then be commuted by the president. Thereafter, let Mr. Bergdahl go home and live with himself.
As for President Obama, how about just one word of thanks to the families of those fallen soldiers you sent out to find Bowe Bergdahl?
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Posted the video in another thread here.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-kelly-file/transcript/2014/06/06/exclusive-sgt-bowe-bergdahls-platoon-members-speak-out?page=2
Reposting
Unfortunately none of the soldiers interviewed were black, so Goodrum will maintain that Bowe crawled off through weeds unarmed in the most dangerous place in the world to be an unarmed American soldier, to "let off some steam" by goat tipping with the locals.
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His platoon called him a deserter who fraternized w locals. That is good enough for me. Obama and rice can both go suck a dick w their lies and treason.
your excerpt only had his platoon leader calling him a deserter and since when is fraternizing with locals a bad thing? You can find millions of examples of that and it doesn't mean shit.
I'm not aware of any stories of anyone in his platoon who has any personal knowledge of Bergdahl post capture
save you dick sucking fantasies for your boyfriend
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"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.
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"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.
wow - full on retard
I guess if he left camp on his own volition that he was impervious to being "captured"
why didn't he just explain this to his captors
it makes perfect sense
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wow - full on retard
I guess if he left camp on his own volition that he was impervious to being "captured"
why didn't he just explain this to his captors
it makes perfect sense
Yeah its called desertion, which is a crime. And if he went and joined the Muj it is called treason. Either way he is a criminal and should be treated as such.
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Exactly....he wasn't "captured" . He crawled out of camp and sought out the very people he spent the next five years living with. Only a complete fucktard would call that being "captured"
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Exactly....he wasn't "captured" . He crawled out of camp and sought out the very people he spent the next five years living with. Only a complete fucktard would call that being "captured"
These obama cultists would do anything to defend their god king.
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"post capture"?.....he wasn't captured, he left of his own volition...crawling on his belly like a maggot.
Are you saying that you don't think it's possible that he was captured (i.e., held against his will) after he voluntarily left the base?
He may well have thought that he was gonna be greeted with open arms, sure, but it seems likely that his new buddies weren't as nice and friendly as he stupidly thought they would be.
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Are you saying that you don't think it's possible that he was captured (i.e., held against his will) after he voluntarily left the base?
He may well have thought that he was gonna be greeted with open arms, sure, but it seems likely that his new buddies weren't as nice and friendly as he stupidly thought they would be.
At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton
So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.
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At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton
So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.
Oshitface called him a hero so to a cult of ofag he is a hero. End of story
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At this point what difference does it make? -- Hillary Clinton
So what, you going to split hairs over if he was "captured"? He left his post, went AWOL, deserted, joined the Muj and became a traitor whatever you want to call it. He is a criminal no matter how you slice it.
If you read back in this thread, you'll realize that no one's "splitting hairs".
Let me recap in case you've been having someone read this thread to you and they've been confusing you by only reading the latest one or two posts at a time:
Basically, someone mentioned that something (it doesn't matter what) happened "post-capture". Then, another guy said, "Capture? - He wasn't captured, he deserted." What I'm pointing out here, in the interest of accuracy (instead of truthiness, lol), is that both could be true, i.e., Bergdahl could well have deserted AND was also (subsequently) captured.
Ya follow that?
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Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?
If you read back in this thread, you'll realize that no one's "splitting hairs".
Let me recap in case you've been having someone read this thread to you and they've been confusing you by only reading the latest one or two posts at a time:
Basically, someone mentioned that something (it doesn't matter what) happened "post-capture". Then, another guy said, "Capture? - He wasn't captured, he deserted." What I'm pointing out here, in the interest of accuracy (instead of truthiness, lol), is that both could be true, i.e., Bergdahl could well have deserted AND was also (subsequently) captured.
Ya follow that?
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Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?
It's hard to quantify value , but as a symbolic gesture it was a bad one that showed kidnapping US citizens pays dividends
Even if o wants gitmo empty (debatable, his greatness was filling bagram faster than emptying gitmo, but the us media never mentioned the former airbase) this was not the way to do it
Much Better would have been a rescue op , like the others he took credit for, despite doing his best to scupper them.. The maersk Alabama incident where he tried to send in FBI negotiators then took credit for the sniper kills he never wanted, and scuppered a large scale rescue op that was supposed to follow it.
us sf might be killed in the process of rescuing this shitbag deserter , but it sends an unmistakable message to the kidnappers that they will be risking taking a dirt nap if they try to use us nationals as negotiating tools.
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Obama is the worst, he's surpassed Bush which is truly scary... :-X :-X :-X
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Was it worth 5 of the worst terrorists?
Ya know, what is it about these guys that makes them "the worst"? Superpowers? Clairvoyance? What?
Will the terrorists be measurably stronger because of these 5 guys? I'd like to hear something that seems reasonable that supports that. Did these 5 guys ever even come before a judge? If they're the worst, why not?
Convince me that these 5 guys are capable of doing stuff that the other umpteen gazillion terrorists can't and maybe I'll think about your question.
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It's hard to quantify value , but as a symbolic gesture it was a bad one that showed kidnapping US citizens pays dividends
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So are there currently a lot of Americans who these terrorists haven't been snatching up because the USA doesn't make deals often? I guess it's possible to some degree, but if there are Americans living where these terrorists live, I think it'd be pretty dumb of them to count on this factor carrying much weight.
Much Better would have been a rescue op , like the others he took credit for, despite doing his best to scupper them.. The maersk Alabama incident where he tried to send in FBI negotiators then took credit for the sniper kills he never wanted, and scuppered a large scale rescue op that was supposed to follow it.
us sf might be killed in the process of rescuing this shitbag deserter , but it sends an unmistakable message to the kidnappers that they will be risking taking a dirt nap if they try to use us nationals as negotiating tools.
Much better for whom? Not for the poor Americans who might die trying to rescue this Cat Stevens wannabe.
And certainly not better for Obama who is gonna have his detractors no matter what.
IMO, the choice made by Obama here was OK...but I question why he made a big deal about what was pretty much a "40 degree day".
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LOL I am watching season 3... just saw that scene today lol. Good call.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651223/Wife-soldier-left-paralyzed-unable-speak-risking-life-save-Bowe-Bergdahl-vents-fury-message.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2651882/Parents-Bowe-Bergdahl-receiving-threats-amidst-claims-lives-lost-looking-deserter-son-Bob-Bergdahl-claimed-White-House-Allah.html
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Ya know, what is it about these guys that makes them "the worst"? Superpowers? Clairvoyance? What?
Will the terrorists be measurably stronger because of these 5 guys? I'd like to hear something that seems reasonable that supports that. Did these 5 guys ever even come before a judge? If they're the worst, why not?
Convince me that these 5 guys are capable of doing stuff that the other umpteen gazillion terrorists can't and maybe I'll think about your question.
These men had achieved respectable ranks within their terrorist organization and therefore would have greater knowledge pertinent to US interests . Doesn't that fact in itself prove they were more valuable than the typical low ranking goat herder?
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These men had achieved respectable ranks within their terrorist organization and therefore would have greater knowledge pertinent to US interests . Doesn't that fact in itself prove they were more valuable than the typical low ranking goat herder?
The cultists who worship obama could care less. That the taliban wanted these 5 specific most means nothing to the average obama slave.
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The cultists who worship obama could care less. That the taliban wanted these 5 specific most means nothing to the average obama slave.
Youre absolutely right. Great point. The fact that the taliban wanted these specific men means a whole lot in terms of their importance.
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Youre absolutely right. Great point. The fact that the taliban wanted these specific men means a whole lot in terms of their importance.
Oh, for reals? So, I guess the fact that the USA wanted Bergdahl back must mean he's super-important to the fight against the Taliban? lol
Think, mofo, think!
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Oh, for reals? So, I guess the fact that the USA wanted Bergdahl back must mean he's super-important to the fight against the Taliban? lol
Think, mofo, think!
The white house was possibly looking for cover in order to avoid criticism for releasing these men. There are reports that the deal was in the works before Bergdahl was part of the swap. Unfortunately the white house was either completely ignorant of Bergdahls murky past, when they clearly shouldnt have, or they intentionally misrepresented Bergdahls character and story for propaganda purposes. You're left with two options, incompetence or manipulation. It seems likely they assumed no one would criticize the release of these terrorist if a soldier was also released. Anyone doing so would be branded unpatriotic. Sounds like some shady Bush tactics.
Think, mofo. Stop being a partisan water carrier.
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Oh, for reals? So, I guess the fact that the USA wanted Bergdahl back must mean he's super-important to the fight against the Taliban? lol
Think, mofo, think!
You might be asking a bit too much.
On the flip side, seeing how these five most likely have drone strikes penciled into their futures, I think it is a good thing their wanted them back so badly. Now we get more bodies for the bang so to speak.
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These men had achieved respectable ranks within their terrorist organization and therefore would have greater knowledge pertinent to US interests .
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Greater knowledge pertinent to US interests? That sounds like you're saying these guys had/have knowledge that would help the US.
And this might be so but do ya seriously think that we haven't already extracted all that info from them in the 12 years these guys have been imprisoned? (All 5 were captured in 2001 or 2002.)
Or do you think they've just been hanging out at Guantanamo watching HBO, or what?
Doesn't that fact in itself prove they were more valuable than the typical low ranking goat herder?
LOL. (So if one is more valuable than a goat herder, you keep them indefinitely?)
Anyway, the key word here is: "were"
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The white house was possibly looking for cover in order to avoid criticism for releasing these men. There are reports that the deal was in the works before Bergdahl was part of the swap. Unfortunately the white house was either completely ignorant of Bergdahls murky past, when they clearly shouldnt have, or they intentionally misrepresented Bergdahls character and story for propaganda purposes. You're left with two options, incompetence or manipulation. It seems likely they assumed no one would criticize the release of these terrorist if a soldier was also released. Anyone doing so would be branded unpatriotic. Sounds like some shady Bush tactics.
Think, mofo. Stop being a partisan water carrier.
Bergdahl is/was an American soldier held against his will for years by terrorists. He deserved to be freed. (And then investigated or court martialed or whatever, sure.)
Bad PR or not, who gives a fuck? He deserved to be freed.
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Greater knowledge pertinent to US interests? That sounds like you're saying these guys had/have knowledge that would help the US.
And this might be so but do ya seriously think that we haven't already extracted all that info from them in the 12 years these guys have been imprisoned? (All 5 were captured in 2001 or 2002.)
Or do you think they've just been hanging out at Guantanamo watching HBO, or what?
LOL. (So if one is more valuable than a goat herder, you keep them indefinitely?)
Anyway, the key word here is: "were"
The terrorists are still valuable as they understand the inner workings of the taliban. Their knowledge is useful for multiple situations not just those they were directly involved in.
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Bergdahl is/was an American soldier held against his will for years by terrorists. He deserved to be freed. (And then investigated or court martialed or whatever, sure.)
Bad PR or not, who gives a fuck? He deserved to be freed.
Sounds like the party line. Youre fine with being manipulated and lied to if its your team doing it. Some of us can't live that way.
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Seeing how the Taliban has been bombed, blitzed and scrambled with the deaths of many leaders and high ranking Lts, I think it is pretty obvious - or at least it should be pretty obvious to anyone with common sense - that these five people have NO useful knowledge of the current state of their affairs.
Are you suggesting that someone that has been imprisoned for over a decade knows more about that group than the US does currently? How did they obtain this knowledge after being separated for over 10 years? Their comrades send up smoke signals to them? Carrier pigeons? Email perhaps? Maybe the new Taliban sent this info to them via whispered secrets during conjugal visits?
Any "situations" they may know about - whether involved directly in or not - have long since been disrupted, executed, or abandoned.
Whining is ok. Going out on a limb to justify your whining is ok - and quite expected from the peanut gallery here - but whining in the complete absence of common sense is just laughable. Come back and do better at least.
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Seeing how the Taliban has been bombed, blitzed and scrambled with the deaths of many leaders and high ranking Lts, I think it is pretty obvious - or at least it should be pretty obvious to anyone with common sense - that these five people have NO useful knowledge of the current state of their affairs.
Are you suggesting that someone that has been imprisoned for over a decade knows more about that group than the US does currently? How did they obtain this knowledge after being separated for over 10 years? Their comrades send up smoke signals to them? Carrier pigeons? Email perhaps? Maybe the new Taliban sent this info to them via whispered secrets during conjugal visits?
Any "situations" they may know about - whether involved directly in or not - have long since been disrupted, executed, or abandoned.
Whining is ok. Going out on a limb to justify your whining is ok - and quite expected from the peanut gallery here - but whining in the complete absence of common sense is just laughable. Come back and do better at least.
Id like some evidence for the taliban no longer being a threat. Im trying to have a genuine discuss while you repeat the party. Id say try better next time but you dont even seem to be trying.
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Sounds like the party line. Youre fine with being manipulated and lied to if its your team doing it. Some of us can't live that way.
Dude, honestly, how am I being manipulated?; No matter what Bergdahl did to get himself held captive by terrorists, the dumbfuck deserved to be freed. To have any other policy would be retarded in an all-volunteer army.
Your "my team" stuff is off-base. I was active army for 4 years so I'd feel the same way no matter which president was in power.
And you "can't live that way"? Oh, quit with the melodrama because, holy hyperbole batman, I think you ARE living that way -- you're just saying you don't like something (which is fine, really).
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Right the Taliban is no longer a threat...Al Qaeda was "no longer a threat" until they launched their attack on the consulate in Benghazi. Why anyone would take the analysis of this administration at face value is beyond me.
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Dude, honestly, how am I being manipulated?; No matter what Bergdahl did to get himself held captive by terrorists, the dumbfuck deserved to be freed. To have any other policy would be retarded in an all-volunteer army.
Your "my team" stuff is off-base. I was active army for 4 years so I'd feel the same way no matter which president was in power.
And you "can't live that way"? Oh, quit with the melodrama because, holy hyperbole batman, I think you ARE living that way -- you're just saying you don't like something (which is fine, really).
Dont play the I'm offended becuse I was in the military card. I was also in the military. As I stated earlier, Its either utter incompetence and ignorance or manipulation. The administration either didnt know about bergdahls past( they should have)or they intentionally withheld the information in order to profit off the rescued soldier angle, providing cover from scrutiny. They might very well have known about Bergdahls murky particulars but assumed the public and media would be hesitant to raise objections in fear of being called unpatriotic.
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Id like some evidence for the taliban no longer being a threat. Im trying to have a genuine discuss while you repeat the party. Id say try better next time but you dont even seem to be trying.
I don't think he's saying that the Taliban isn't currently (at least some kind of) a threat. I think he's saying that after 12 years of being out of the loop while being imprisoned, these 5 terrorists won't have much to offer their cause.
That seems reasonable and he's not the only one saying that:
The release of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl this weekend was greeted at first by elation. But among some, the positive feelings have given way to more mixed emotions as some of the worrying implications of his release become clear.
One big concern is that the U.S. will be releasing five Taliban commanders in exchange for Bergdahl. So who are these men? And what might they do when released?
When the five Taliban commanders were detained by the United States, the American war here had only just begun. Though most of them held high-profile positions in the Taliban regime, they had little experience in the protracted insurgency that followed the American invasion. The Taliban to which they will return looks much different from the one they were torn from.
A decade or more later, they could be seen as martyrs, buoyed by the sacrifices made for the group’s cause and their role in its formation, or, alternatively, perhaps as men unfamiliar with the Taliban’s new mission – the 13th year of trying to destabilize the Afghan government.
In the years that the five detainees spent at Guantanamo, the Taliban mission has evolved in large and small ways, from shifts in roadside bomb construction to changes in the geography of the battlefield. It is unclear what role they will play in the current fight when they leave Qatar in 12 months.
Are their years-old Al Qaeda links still relevant? Could their experience be used as a recruitment tool? U.S. officials considered those questions before the prisoner exchange, but there are no conclusive answers. They could again ascend the insurgency’s ranks, or they could be marginalized as outsiders by new leadership.
More of this even-handed article here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-was-traded-for-5-taliban-commanders-heres-who-they-are/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/06/02/bowe-bergdahl-was-traded-for-5-taliban-commanders-heres-who-they-are/)
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The terrorists are still valuable as they understand the inner workings of the taliban. Their knowledge is useful for multiple situations not just those they were directly involved in.
You are guessing, I think.
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Are their years-old Al Qaeda links still relevant? Could their experience be used as a recruitment tool? U.S. officials considered those questions before the prisoner exchange, but there are no conclusive answers. They could again ascend the insurgency’s ranks, or they could be marginalized as outsiders by new leadership."
This the most pertinent portion of the article. The terrorists wete released without a clear understanding of the consequences. As I've made clear, my personal objection is mainly with the presentation of Bergdahl to the public. If reports are true and the deal was already in the works before Bergdahl, this can only mean that Bergdahl was being used as cover from scrutiny.
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Id like some evidence for the taliban no longer being a threat. Im trying to have a genuine discuss while you repeat the party. Id say try better next time but you dont even seem to be trying.
Did I say the Taliban was no longer a threat?
No, I said :
Seeing how the Taliban has been bombed, blitzed and scrambled with the deaths of many leaders and high ranking Lts, I think it is pretty obvious - or at least it should be pretty obvious to anyone with common sense - that these five people have NO useful knowledge of the current state of their affairs.
Are you suggesting that someone that has been imprisoned for over a decade knows more about that group than the US does currently? How did they obtain this knowledge after being separated for over 10 years? Their comrades send up smoke signals to them? Carrier pigeons? Email perhaps? Maybe the new Taliban sent this info to them via whispered secrets during conjugal visits?
Any "situations" they may know about - whether involved directly in or not - have long since been disrupted, executed, or abandoned.
You made the claim that these men could have direct knowledge of the inner workings of the current Taliban structure. I challenged that claim you made by presenting the fact that these men have been in isolation from the current Taliban for over 10 years and asked you how they possibly could know anything about the current regimen.
So instead of backing your stupid ass claim up with evidence or even more inane ramblings that are on the same topic, you would rather try to change the topic and make it about another topic all together by asking me a question completely unrelated to anything I posted about. In other words, you ain't got shit.
Again : PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
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Did I say the Taliban was no longer a threat?
No, I said :
You made the claim that these men could have direct knowledge of the inner workings of the current Taliban structure. I challenged that claim you made by presenting the fact that these men have been in isolation from the current Taliban for over 10 years and asked you how they possibly could know anything about the current regimen.
So instead of back your stupid ass claim up with evidence or even inane ramblings that are on the same topic, you would rather try to change the topic and make it about another topic all together by asking me a question completely unrelated to anything I posted about. In other words, you ain't got shit.
Again : PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
I never used the word current. Anyone with knowledge of an organization is useful.
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Did I say the Taliban was no longer a threat?
No, I said :
You made the claim that these men could have direct knowledge of the inner workings of the current Taliban structure. I challenged that claim you made by presenting the fact that these men have been in isolation from the current Taliban for over 10 years and asked you how they possibly could know anything about the current regimen.
So instead of backing your stupid ass claim up with evidence or even more inane ramblings that are on the same topic, you would rather try to change the topic and make it about another topic all together by asking me a question completely unrelated to anything I posted about. In other words, you ain't got shit.
Again : PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
I didnt change the subject. Dont have hurt feelings. This is suppose to be a good natured discussion.
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I don't think he's saying that the Taliban isn't currently (at least some kind of) a threat. I think he's saying that after 12 years of being out of the loop while being imprisoned, these 5 terrorists won't have much to offer their cause.
That seems reasonable and he's not the only one saying that:
Exactly. But don't expect an answer from him. He's proven that he just pulls statements out of his ass in an effort to deflect from having to comment on anything you challenge him with over his previous statements/claims.
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Fox News trainee right here.
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Exactly. But don't expect an answer from him. He's proven that he just pulls statements out of his ass in an effort to deflect from having to comment on anything you challenge him with over his previous statements/claims.
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Fox News trainee right here.
See, thats what im talking about. Guys like you see the world in black and white. If I dont agree with you I must be a fox news watching righty. Im sorry to tell you this but the world is far more complicated
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I didnt change the subject. Dont have hurt feelings. This is suppose to be a good natured discussion.
Yeah. You tried to.
Want to keep backpedaling or want to explain your previous Einstein-ish claim. Here just to save a bit of brainwattage for you, I will repeat it.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
Have fun. Gotta run to Publix for more BBQ sauce for the cookout I'm doing today. Will check back and see how what weak excuse you offer up. If any. Most likely will not address your own statement and instead ignore it, hoping everyone else does too.
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Dont play the I'm offended becuse I was in the military card. I was also in the military. As I stated earlier, Its either utter incompetence and ignorance or manipulation. The administration either didnt know about bergdahls past( they should have)or they intentionally withheld the information in order to profit off the rescued soldier angle, providing cover from scrutiny. They might very well have known about Bergdahls murky particulars but assumed the public and media would be hesitant to raise objections in fear of being called unpatriotic.
I'm not playing any military cred card. I'm saying that as former military it's always been my opinion that if a soldier is being held by enemy forces, you do all you can to free him. And you DON'T first make sure his record is clean. Do you get this?
Be clear here, please. Are you saying that Bergdahl should not have been freed because of allegations of his desertion?
Was the gov't trying to milk this situation for good PR? Duh, par for the course.
But, I've gotta say that getting your panties in a twist about it is to seem near laughably ignorant of how innocuous this situation is compared to other military situations in the not-so-distant past. Remember Jessica Lynch? Shit, remember Pat Tillman?
If you wanna freak out about "being lied to and manipulated" you should probably do it about something more substantial than goofy Bergdahl's conscience and lack of good sense causing him to desert in Afghanistan, imo.
Any of this make sense?
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Yeah. You tried to.
Want to keep backpedaling or want to explain your previous Einstein-ish claim. Here just to save a bit of brainwattage for you, I will repeat it.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
Have fun. Gotta run to Publix for more BBQ sauce for the cookout I'm doing today. Will check back and see how what weak excuse you offer up. If any. Most likely will not address your own statement and instead ignore it, hoping everyone else does too.
Youre obviously upset. You shouldn't be. This all in good fun. The terrorists will not have direct knowledge of current operations (never said they did) but their experience with the inner workings of taliban can provide context and understanding of the talibans current activities. Essentially they act as translators who can interpret what the actions mean and possible information as to what may happen.
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I'm not playing any military cred card. I'm saying that as former military it's always been my opinion that if a soldier is being held by enemy forces, you do all you can to free him. And you DON'T first make sure his record is clean. Do you get this?
Be clear here, please. Are you saying that Bergdahl should not have been freed because of allegations of his desertion?
Was the gov't trying to milk this situation for good PR? Duh, par for the course.
But, I've gotta say that getting your panties in a twist about it is to seem near laughably ignorant of how innocuous this situation is compared to other military situations in the not-so-distant past. Remember Jessica Lynch? Shit, remember Pat Tillman?
If you wanna freak out about "being lied to and manipulated" you should probably do it about something more substantial than goofy Bergdahl's conscience and lack of good sense causing him to desert in Afghanistan, imo.
Any of this make sense?
You should make sure his record is clean before you trump his story in the media.
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I never used the word current. Anyone with knowledge of an organization is useful.
Oh shit, with weak sauce like that, you've got to just be trolling here.
Sorry to have taken you seriously.
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Oh shit, with weak sauce like that, you've got to just be trolling here.
Sorry to have taken you seriously.
Why so angry? I explained further what I meant. Now get on your lurker account and back yourself up.
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You should make sure his record is clean before you trump his story in the media.
What does "trump" mean in this context?
And why does one need to make sure his record is clean?; And how important is this consideration in your world?
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Why so angry? I explained further what I meant. Now get on your lurker account and back yourself up.
I'm not angry. I just think you're mostly trolling now.
(Fuck, if that kind of thing made me angry, how could I ever look at 90% of SC's posts? lol)
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Why so angry? I explained further what I meant. Now get on your lurker account and back yourself up.
LOL. Just caught the "lurker" part.
Do you really think we're the same person? lol
Weren't you just saying something about folks seeing everything in black and white?
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What does "trump" mean in this context?
And why does one need to make sure his record is clean?; And how important is this consideration in your world?
Its important when the government tries to sell the public and the media a story that is clearly not 100% factual. I would be less offended if they hadnt attempted to make a spectacle out of the situation.
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I'm not angry. I just think you're mostly trolling now.
(Fuck, if that kind of thing made me angry, how could I ever look at 90% of SC's posts? lol)
Im not trolling. Im bringing up issues is all. Nothing I've said is unreasonable. Im not yelling traitor or Obamas a homo.
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I'm not playing any military cred card. I'm saying that as former military it's always been my opinion that if a soldier is being held by enemy forces, you do all you can to free him. And you DON'T first make sure his record is clean. Do you get this?
Be clear here, please. Are you saying that Bergdahl should not have been freed because of allegations of his desertion?
Was the gov't trying to milk this situation for good PR? Duh, par for the course.
But, I've gotta say that getting your panties in a twist about it is to seem near laughably ignorant of how innocuous this situation is compared to other military situations in the not-so-distant past. Remember Jessica Lynch? Shit, remember Pat Tillman?
If you wanna freak out about "being lied to and manipulated" you should probably do it about something more substantial than goofy Bergdahl's conscience and lack of good sense causing him to desert in Afghanistan, imo.
Any of this make sense?
All these episodes are about PR, not like this is something new been going on since there have been wars. Lynch a lot of fabrication, wrong turn into Nasiriyah. Tillman blue on blue, he was a recognized name back in the world. Spin to cover up incompetence. This is just another in a long line of Obama miscalculations on who should be paraded out as a hero. You don't hear about the real hero's, guess it doesn't make good propaganda for what ever administration is in office at the time.
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LOL. Just caught the "lurker" part.
Do you really think we're the same person? lol
Weren't you just saying something about folks seeing everything in black and white?
Your comments are nearly identical. Youre both upset and defensive.
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Its important when the government tries to sell the public and the media a story that is clearly not 100% factual. I would be less offended if they hadnt attempted to make a spectacle out of the situation.
What part wasn't 100% factual? Are you referring to the characterization of Bergdahl?
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Your comments are nearly identical. Youre both upset and defensive.
That you think they're nearly identical is revealing.
I can't speak for lurker but I'm not upset.
And you seem to be playing a lot of defense here (which means nothing, btw).
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What part wasn't 100% factual? Are you referring to the characterization of Bergdahl?
Absolutely.
That you think they're nearly identical is revealing.
I can't speak for lurker but I'm not upset.
And you seem to be playing a lot of defense here (which means nothing, btw).
Im not defensive in the least. Im genuinely trying to have a discussion. I voted for Obama. I thought benghazi wasn't a legitimate scandal. I dont have a vested interest in defending the Republicans. Ive never voted Republican in my life. I argued with coach and 333 during the bush years way more than I have over the obama administration.
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Absolutely.
Im not defensive in the least. Im genuinely trying to have a discussion. I voted for Obama. I thought benghazi wasn't a legitimate scandal. I dont have a vested interest in defending the Republicans. Ive never voted Republican in my life. I argued with coach and 333 during the bush years way more than I have over the obama administration.
Fair enough.
For the record, sorry if I may have been a little bit uncivil -- Although it goes against my nature, lol, I try not to get too insulting with those I disagree with here -- with exceptions made for a select few, of course.
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Lol, outside of government media how exactly is the talban "no longer a threat" ? .. in a few months of the NATO troops withdrawing they'll be running the country again. Then attacks on Pakistan will intensify, and the area will continue to devolve back to the stone age. They are down in number but have been at war for a decade and have learned a lot about terror campaigns during that time. Other radicals will swarm in from Syria etc, armed with US supplied weapons to assist them and the us will have to spend billions more in back door "aid" aka buying Viagra and jeeps for tribal chiefs and arming militias to try to counter them
It doesn't matter if the terrorists have been held in insulation for a decade, what matters is they are a rallying point for thousands of new recruits in a tribal, proud culture.
Bear in mind there is absolutely no way the us can ever "win" in that region no matter how many billions we bleed out, so this is all pointless in the long run. All were doing is creating more death And pain for our so called allies next door.
IMO we should have told canada to fuck off and mined the entire border then pulled out a decade ago.
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We'll be taking bets on how long the central government lasts. The various army units will dissolve or come under the control of the various tribal chiefs. The Taliban will have to decide what they want to do about the narco's as they've very powerful now. I suspect they'll have to allow them some autonomy. Those 5 guys will assimilate back into the power structure and do what they did before. Its been a mess and will always be a mess.
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Yeah. You tried to.
Want to keep backpedaling or want to explain your previous Einstein-ish claim. Here just to save a bit of brainwattage for you, I will repeat it.
PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW A DETAINEE OF OVER 10 YEARS COMPLETELY ISOLATED FROM ALL CONTACT WITH HIS FORMER COMRADES WOULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF "THE INNER WORKINGS OF THE CURRENT TALIBAN AND MULTIPLE SITUATIONS THAT THEY WERE NOT EVEN DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN" (your words and claim)
Have fun. Gotta run to Publix for more BBQ sauce for the cookout I'm doing today. Will check back and see how what weak excuse you offer up. If any. Most likely will not address your own statement and instead ignore it, hoping everyone else does too.
Any reason you are avoiding your own statements and words?
Other than you are full of shit and got exposed? If you feel otherwise please elaborate on what YOU SAID.
LOL @ anyone "being angry". We are not the ones back pedaling, running in circles and talking out of our asses. Good luck at making yourself feel better with that lie.
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Posted on June 7, 2014 at 8:41:35 AM EDT by GregNH
As more revelations emerge about Bergdahl’s disappearance, it becomes clearer that the White House has something really big to hide. Here are three clues:
1. In predictable fashion, those who question the official story must be discredited. The Soldiers who are providing their own on-the-ground recollections must be “psychopaths,” as an Obama administration official at HUD referred to them. State Department spokesperson Marie Harf has attacked their integrity, and now the media has resurrected “swift-boating” — all meant to disparage, demean, and discredit these brave American Soldiers. This is what liberals do — and I speak from experience.
2. The Soldiers who served alongside Bergdahl and were on the ground with him when he disappeared were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements. Why? Would that be anything like the muzzling of the Benghazi survivors?
3. The classified Pentagon report from 2010 on Sergeant Bergdahl should by now be de-classified, but it’s not. Why? What’s in it?
Oh, and then there’s the case of Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings who wrote about Bergdahl’s disappearance in 2012 and ended up dead in 2013.
(Excerpt) Read more at allenbwest.com ...
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If you thought President Obama’s release of five top Taliban commanders in exchange for POW Bowe Bergdahl was bad, wait until you see what his Gitmo parole board plans.
Desperate to empty the Guantanamo Bay prison by the end of his term, Obama quietly is giving “get out of jail free” cards for the flimsiest of excuses.
One al Qaeda suspect captured in Afghanistan is considered reformed because he took up yoga and read a biography of the Dalai Lama. Another is eligible for release because of his “positive attitude.”
And one longtime detainee, a former bodyguard for Osama bin Laden, is now harmless because he’s going to start a “milk and honey farm.”
The Periodic Review Board already helped clear 78 of the remaining 149 prisoners for release, documents show, and has scheduled more hearings for this summer.
Many of these men were dubbed “forever prisoners” because of the threat they posed to the US — with intelligence officials warning that, if free, they would return to the jihad to kill Americans.
Based on past cases, that’s a good bet.
In a report on detainee recidivism, Obama’s own director of national intelligence this year documented that 178, or 29 percent, of the 614 prisoners already transferred from the prison have been confirmed to have, or are suspected of having, re-engaged in terrorism.
That means for every three freed from Gitmo, one has rejoined the war against us. Intelligence analysts admit their ability to track all former detainees is limited, so the recidivism rate may, in fact, be much higher.
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One notorious recidivist, Abdullah Gulam Rasoul, became the Taliban’s operations commander in southern Afghanistan soon after his 2007 release from Gitmo. He was blamed for masterminding a surge in roadside attacks against American troops and organizing assaults on US aircraft in Afghanistan.
Another repeat terrorist is Said Ali al-Shihri, who after his 2007 release ran al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and helped plan the deadly bombing of the US Embassy there.
Already, one of the five Taliban leaders freed last week in exchange for Bergdahl — Mullah Noorullah Noori — has pledged to return to fight Americans in Afghanistan.
Obama’s terrorist parole board was established in 2011. He appoints its members — officials from the Justice Department, Pentagon, State Department and Homeland Security — without a congressional confirmation process. It is secretive and lacking in accountability.
In setting up the Periodic Review Board, meanwhile, Obama prohibited members from relying on information that has been obtained as a result of “cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment (in order) to support a determination that continued law of war detention is warranted for a detainee.”
The bias against interrogation evidence potentially opens up the release of some of Gitmo’s hardest cases, including al Qaeda leader Abu Zubaydah, 2002 Bali bombing mastermind “Hambali,” and Mohammed al-Qahtani, the suspected 20th hijacker of the 9/11 attacks.
But these releases won’t cause the same outcry, because it’s being done in virtual secrecy. Already, more than 600 prisoners have been transferred out of Gitmo with little fanfare. Two hundred of them were sent back to Afghanistan.
As defense lawyer David Remes explained to Al Jazeera news network, “The Periodic Review Board is likely to be predisposed to approval to transfer because the idea here is to close down Guantanamo.”
The inmates slated for release include:
GHALEB NASSER AL-BIHANI, 34
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“He loves yoga”
What he did: Classified as an “indefinite detainee” in 2010 because of the danger he posed to the US. The Yemeni national was captured in 2001 fighting in Afghanistan. The military said he was a troublemaker while in custody, even inciting riots. He was uncooperative in interviews, showing “ill intentions toward the US.” One of his brothers in Yemen is a leader in al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the terror group’s most lethal branch.
What they say now: His government-appointed lawyer argued he was merely an assistant cook for an unspecified military group. “He has asked for yoga magazines and self-help books,” lawyer Pardiss Kebriaei told the parole board in April, noting he practices yoga in his cellblock and has read biographies of the Dalai Lama and Martin Luther King Jr.
In his own plea to the board, Bihani suggested his hostility comes from losing his parents as a boy, saying, “It was hard growing up without a mother or father.” He promised to start a family and live a peaceful life if freed. “I look forward to the day when I can hold my baby in my hands,” he said. Last month, the board said it found his story “credible” and declared al-Bihani “no longer…a threat to the security of the United States.”
MAHMUD ABD AL AZIZ AL MUJAHID, 33
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“Wants a milk & honey farm”
What he did: Served as Osama bin Laden’s bodyguard and was captured after 9/11. The military warns that, if freed, he would likely hook up in Yemen with his brother, “another former bin Laden bodyguard.”
Without explanation, the board blacked out a large section of Mujahid’s testimony dealing with al Qaeda.
What they say now: “Mujahid is a peacemaker,” his lawyer David Remes insisted, adding he “requires no rehabilitation when he returns.”
Mujahid called a character witness — another detainee — who testified that Mujahid had told him he wants to start a “milk and honey farm” in Yemen.
In November, the board cleared Mujahid for release, reasoning he would maintain his good behavior through “extensive family support in Yemen.” Panelists were impressed with his personal statement that, while growing up, “in our household, we were taught politeness, decency and human being [sic].”
ALI AHMAD MOHAMED AI-RAZIHI, 33
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“Has a positive attitude”
What he did: Served as an Osama bin Laden bodyguard. There’s evidence he wrote to his family boasting of his commitment to jihad. The military cautioned officials against believing that “his stated intentions are genuine.”
Curiously, the board withheld Razihi’s written testimony and hearing transcript.
What they say now: In taking him off the threat list, the board cited his “positive attitude.” His personal representative convinced board members that Razihi “has keen business acumen” and seeks to take over the family’s “fruit and vegetable business” in Yemen.
Added the unnamed government advocate: “He’s ready to live out the rest of his days as a peaceful man, a family man and an entrepreneur, and no longer should be considered a continued significant threat to the United States.”
Prisoners in Gitmo at height in 2003: 684
Prisoners left: 149
Cleared for transfer but not yet released: 78
Prisoners, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who are considered “high-value detainees” charged with war crimes: 16
Recidivism rate for released prisoners: 29%
Paul Sperry is a Hoover Institution media fellow and author of “Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington.”
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/08/us/bergdahl-search-soldiers
6 soldiers dies looking for this deserting pos
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Fair enough.
For the record, sorry if I may have been a little bit uncivil -- Although it goes against my nature, lol, I try not to get too insulting with those I disagree with here -- with exceptions made for a select few, of course.
I respect and appreciate your contributions, kore. We probably agree on 99% of issues.
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I respect and appreciate your contributions, kore. We probably agree on 99% of issues.
How is that possible if he and I are the same person?
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http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/americas-last-prisoner-of-war-20120607
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I think the only problem I have with GITMO.... is how we determine who is a POW and who is an enemy combatant. I mean, because of where they're standing on the street, if they have a uniform or not?
And not because I really give a shit about the people locked up there - but because I would hate to think, if North Korea invaded Hawaii, and people living there came out of their homes with guns to protect themselves on the streets where they live (without uniforms of training), then NK could lock them up in Siberia for over a decade, even after the war actually ends lol.
That's the weird part... lock their asses up, totally cool there... but we're decalaring a win there. It's a huge dangerous precedent to set globally... "We think these dudes are bad dudes, so yeah, we're just going to lock them up for years after the war is over". Would hate to see thousands of US soldiers from Vietnam still sitting in POW camps because "We think they might be dangerous when we let them go".
If that's the case, make a change and execute them back in 2003 or 2004 when you caught them. But locking them up for decades - to me, that puts our troops at risk.
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Pretty naive to think that these five terrorists will not rejoin the fight. And saying they pose no threat to Americans because they have been locked up for so long is wrong. They don't need to know the "inner workings" of the Taliban to be able to step right back into leadership roles. Part of the reason they are leaders is they possess leadership qualities. Those didn't disappear because we had them locked up. Nor did they become less extreme. If anything, their imprisonment has hardened them.
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Another psycho, or whatever name Obama and his minions are calling these folks.
Bergdahl platoon medic says captured soldier deserted his post, 'not a hero'
Published June 08, 2014
FoxNews.com
A member of Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl’s platoon in Afghanistan said Sunday the former Taliban prisoner deserted his post before being captured and fired back against Obama administration arguments that only Bergdahl knows exactly what happened.
“After Bowe Bergdahl purposely and willfully walked away, every single mission was titled toward finding him,” platoon medic Joshua Cornelison told “Fox News Sunday.” “We were there. This isn’t some second- or third-hand account.”
Cornelison’s comments come several days after a State Department spokeswoman told Fox News that Bergdahl is “probably the person who knows best what happened on that night” and dismissed published accounts from platoon mates about the events surrounding Bergdahl’s June 5, 2009, disappearance and capture.
“The American people need to be educated that Bowe Bergdahl is not a hero.”
- Joshua Cornelison
Cornelison also spoke on the same day Fox News confirmed with Defense Department officials specifics about Bergdahl’s recovery at a U.S. military base in Landstuhl, Germany, including that he attempted to escape at least once -- possibly twice -- and that he was put in a metal cage or small room for periods of time that included solitary confinement.
The escape and confinement was reported earlier this week by Fox News, based on secret documents prepared for the Defense Department by a private firm.
Bergdahl also is being treated for some nutritional deficits that would be considered normal after being in captivity for five years and that he still has not spoken to his parents.
Bergdahl was returned by his Taliban captors June 3 in eastern Afghanistan in exchange for the release of five Taliban detainees at the U.S. prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
“The American people need to be educated that Bowe Bergdahl is not a hero,” Cornelison said.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/08/bergdahl-platoon-medic-says-captured-solider-deserted-his-post-not-hero/
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seriously, why not just execute them back in 2003 or 2004?
I mean, at the end of WWII, we could have looked at the Japanese fighters who were also seriously hardcore batshit crazy (kamikaze pilots and all that) and said we couldn't release them, cause anyone that crazy is totally gonna keep doing us harm.
I think each prez just wants to pass it to the next prez, so they're not the ones that released the dude that caused the next 911.
Or, I think Bush should have just sunk the boatload of them on the way to GITMO and called it a day lol.
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Or why not have public decapitations of anyone who talks stink about Americans? Kill the firstborn of every Muslim?
(This is sarcasm.)
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/i-ve-had-enough-when-democrats-quit-on-obama-20140609
:o
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Pretty naive to think that these five terrorists will not rejoin the fight. And saying they pose no threat to Americans because they have been locked up for so long is wrong. They don't need to know the "inner workings" of the Taliban to be able to step right back into leadership roles. Part of the reason they are leaders is they possess leadership qualities. Those didn't disappear because we had them locked up. Nor did they become less extreme. If anything, their imprisonment has hardened them.
These 5 Terrorists will be if anything stronger now in their beliefs. This all reminds me of how our Government sold us out on the Good Friday Agreement. letting known IRA shit scum on the streets. So this has happend to us in the UK. However this Terrorist threat is GLOBAL. i hope the US agencies take These guys out >:(
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2653672/Now-White-House-says-Hagel-final-call-Bergdahl-criticism-Obama-prisoner-swap-mounts.html
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White House: The Taliban Five Aren't As Bad As You Think
The Cable - Foreign Policy ^ | JUNE 10, 2014 | JOHN HUDSON
Posted on 6/10/2014 10:23:42 AM by RobinMasters
Facing growing skepticism on Capitol Hill about its decision to swap five Taliban prisoners for Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, the White House told lawmakers at a classified briefing late Monday night that some of the freed militants were political figures, not hardened soldiers, according to lawmakers who attended the session.
In the past several days, the administration has rolled out a number of reasons to justify swapping Bergdahl, a potential deserter, for the five Taliban officials. White House officials said they had concerns about Berdgahl's health, felt an obligation to never leave a soldier on the battlefield, and feared the militants were preparing to kill the missing soldier. But House lawmakers exiting a late Monday briefing said the administration was now shifting to a new defense that emphasized the lack of threat posed by the individuals that were released as part of the deal.
They discussed "the dangerousness of the individuals," or lack thereof, said Rep. Mike Turner (R-Ohio) in an interview, referring to Abdul Haq Wasiq, Mullah Norullah Noori, Mullah Mohammad Fazi, Mullah Khairullah Khairkhwa and Mohammad Nabi Omari, otherwise known as the "Taliban Five." While Turner said he didn't trust the way the administration characterized their rap sheets, other Democratic lawmakers were convinced that claims about the Taliban Five being "hardcore" terrorists were exaggerated.
"They don't seem to have been combatants at all," said Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), who attended Monday's briefing. "The guys we traded, you hear all kinds of things about ‘they killed Americans.' Three of them were governors of provinces under the Taliban government...They were governors."
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Governors...fuck me so they have Status now? Only Thing correct is we Show no mercy to These Taliban scum and Muslim Radicals. like i wrote before it´s like the IRA shit scum that now are respectable politicians. Terrorist murderers. fucking sell out. being serious now, if i was asked to serve again i would.
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It's certainly possible any or all of these 5 guys could go back and "joint the fight"
A perfect example is Said Ali al-Shihri who was released from Gitmo by the Bush Administration in 2007 and became the deputy leader of Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and who was eventually killed in a drone strike.
The reality is that he wasn't so much a danger to anyone in the US as he was to his fellow countrymen. Same goes for most of these nutbags and just like domestic prisoners some will return to their criminal ways and others will not
If we're concerned about our own personal safety in this country there are more important things to worry about than these guys
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It's certainly possible any or all of these 5 guys could go back and "joint the fight"
A perfect example is Said Ali al-Shihri who was released from Gitmo by the Bush Administration in 2007 and became the deputy leader of Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and who was eventually killed in a drone strike.
The reality is that he wasn't so much a danger to anyone in the US as he was to his fellow countrymen. Same goes for most of these nutbags and just like domestic prisoners some will return to their criminal ways and others will not
If we're concerned about our own personal safety in this country there are more important things to worry about than these guys
how about our soldiers in the field who lost limbs and lives capturing these Islamic filth and will do so in the future getting shot at by these savages?
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how about our soldiers in the field who lost limbs and lives capturing these Islamic filth and will do so in the future getting shot at by these savages?
you mean exactly what they volunteered to do ?
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you mean exactly what they volunteered to do ?
Unbelievable - well not really - you are a lib so that probably in your twisted head makes sense
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Unbelievable - well not really - you are a lib so that probably in your twisted head makes sense
yes, they all know what they are getting into when they volunteered
like I said, this guy was more of a danger to his fellow countrymen than he was to either US citizens or US soldiers (unless you think we have troops actively fighting on the ground in Yemen)
This guy was killed by a US drone strike
Remember how much you hate drone strikes and feel sorry for the terrorist that we kill with drone strikes. If you don't remember I'm sure I can find the threads and bump them for you to jog your memory
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Unbelievable - well not really - you are a lib so that probably in your twisted head makes sense
Got to agree with Soul Crusher on this what you are saying straw Man is just ridiculous. the Soldiers who go out their are Heros and don´t Need a kunt like you writing sympathetic love Posts for Islamic terrorists. What are you for a man ?
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Got to agree with Soul Crusher on this what you are saying straw Man is just ridiculous. the Soldiers who go out their are Heros and don´t Need a kunt like you writing sympathetic love Posts for Islamic terrorists. What are you for a man ?
you're a moron if you think I'm sympathizing with Islamic terrorists
If you're looking for someone who sympathizes with terrorists then have a conversation with 333 who expressed sympathy and outrage that he US killed Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone.
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you're a moron if you think I'm sympathizing with Islamic terrorists
If you're looking for someone who sympathizes with terrorists then have a conversation with 333 who expressed sympathy and outrage that he US killed Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone.
Oh fng please - I said that as a citizen they should have had a trial - even if in abstentia to make it legit. Same w the 16 yo Obama killed.
I hate these Islamic filth - they are slime and sludge
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you're a moron if you think I'm sympathizing with Islamic terrorists
If you're looking for someone who sympathizes with terrorists then have a conversation with 333 who expressed sympathy and outrage that he US killed Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone.
Son Don´t call me a Moron. Show respect.
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Oh fng please - I said that as a citizen they should have had a trial - even if in abstentia to make it legit. Same w the 16 yo Obama killed.
I hate these Islamic filth - they are slime and sludge
you expect us to believe that you want a trial in absentia for someone we know is was involved with terrorist activities when at the same time you wish for violent death on your fellow citizens with no trial at all?
try to have some consistency if you expect anyone to believe your bullshit
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what else can I call you except a moron if you believe my post was sympathizing with terrorists
A little sensitive today? :'( :'(
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Son Don´t call me a Moron. Show respect.
I can't tell if your prior post was sarcasm or not
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I can't tell if your prior post was sarcasm or not
LOL - you are not too bright - figure it the fuck out yourself moron.
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I can't tell if your prior post was sarcasm or not
then Show respect Son. Don´t write i´m a moron.
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then Show respect Son. Don´t write i´m a moron.
ok, so not sarcasm
I'll repeat it just so there is no confusion
If you think my post is sympathetic of muslims or terrorists then not only are you not familiar with my prior posts but you are also a world class moron
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ok, so not sarcasm
I'll repeat it just so there is no confusion
If you think my post is sympathetic of muslims or terrorists then not only are you not familiar with my prior posts but you are also a world class moron
I think you are a crazy mixed up kid.
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I think you are a crazy mixed up kid.
I'm the same age as you
anyone who comes to this board and expects respect is the definition of a moron
even 333, who is profoundly stupid, knows that
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I'm the same age as you
anyone who comes to this board and expects respect is the definition of a moron
even 333, who is profoundly stupid, knows that
Plenty of posters get respect - since you don't lift, train, etc, are a lib, voted for Obama 2x over - you get none at all.
See how that works? ;)
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Plenty of posters get respect - since you don't lift, train, etc, are a lib, voted for Obama 2x over - you get none at all.
See how that works? ;)
every here get's disrespected at one time or another
anyone who doesn't know that should go find somewhere else to post
you of all people should know this since you've been kicked off every other site you've ever posted on and you get your ass handed to you on this site every day of the year
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every here get's disrespected at one time or another
anyone who doesn't know that should go find somewhere else to post
you of all people should know this since you've been kicked off every other site you've ever posted on and you get your ass handed to you on this site every day of the year
I got kicked off HP for making fun of michelle Obama and calling her a disgusting she-man on a thread where people were falling all over themselves to say she was the best FATASSOTUS ever and FR for trashing W over amnesty for invaders and harriet meirs
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every here get's disrespected at one time or another
anyone who doesn't know that should go find somewhere else to post
you of all people should know this since you've been kicked off every other site you've ever posted on and you get your ass handed to you on this site every day of the year
i doubt if you know what moron means
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I got kicked off HP for making fun of michelle Obama and calling her a disgusting she-man on a thread where people were falling all over themselves to say she was the best FATASSOTUS ever and FR for trashing W over amnesty for invaders and harriet meirs
why don't you take a break from acting like a closet queen and make some posts about these domestic terrorists who just executed 3 people this weekend
I guess from your lack of post condemning them that you probably sympathize and agree with them.
You do actually share many common opinions so it's quite likely you actually do sympathize with them just like you sympathize with Anwar al-Aulaqi
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;D
http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/moron/
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i doubt if you know what moron means
jeez, if you're just going to phone it in then why even bother posting
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;D
http://thinkexist.com/dictionary/meaning/moron/
I did not think that you have even graduated from the 8th grade
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why don't you take a break from acting like a closet queen and make some posts about these domestic terrorists who just executed 3 people this weekend
I guess from your lack of post condemning them that you probably sympathize and agree with them.
You do actually share many common opinions so it's quite likely you actually do sympathize with them just like you sympathize with Anwar al-Aulaqi
LOL - why don't you post the thread yourself Mr. Straw Twink
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LOL - why don't you post the thread yourself Mr. Straw Twink
already posted it about it dipshit
and if these two had been some sort of left wing radicals you'd have 50 threads about it already, probably all by only one or two people
instead they were far right wing radicals so you don't hear a word about it on this board
Specifically, the center/left posters on this board don't lose their minds and go on a 5 day posting spree and the right wingers (~ 80% of this board) never even bother to mention these two (who share points of view with some of our craziest posters, targeted and gunned down 2 police officers. The writings of these two nutbags would not have looked out of place for some of the crazier/insane posters on this board.
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I did not think that you have even graduated from the 8th grade
My Education was real life. I also later learned a very respectable Job in a foreign language. i speak Fluent German, Work in Sport.
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My Education was real life. I also later learned a very respectable Job in a foreign language. i speak Fluent German, Work in Sport.
if you didn't graduate the 8th grade then by your own definition you are are moron
Of course there are other definitions of a moron as well such as the one below for which you certainly qualify
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if you didn't graduate the 8th grade then by your own definition you are are moron
Of course there are other definitions of a moron as well such as the one below for which you certainly qualify
you wrote you are my Age (48) but you sure don´t Show it.
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you wrote you are my Age (48) but you sure don´t Show it.
you're a moron so of course you're confused
it goes with the territory
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you wrote you are my Age (48) but you sure don´t Show it.
Straw is 46 yo w the mentality of an 8 yo
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you're a moron so of course you're confused
it goes with the territory
seriously are you 48 ?
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seriously are you 48 ?
read my posts again or find someone to read them to you
It's certainly possible any or all of these 5 guys could go back and "joint the fight"
A perfect example is Said Ali al-Shihri who was released from Gitmo by the Bush Administration in 2007 and became the deputy leader of Al Qaeda’s Yemeni branch and who was eventually killed in a drone strike.
The reality is that he wasn't so much a danger to anyone in the US as he was to his fellow countrymen. Same goes for most of these nutbags and just like domestic prisoners some will return to their criminal ways and others will not
If we're concerned about our own personal safety in this country there are more important things to worry about than these guys
you're a moron if you think I'm sympathizing with Islamic terrorists
If you're looking for someone who sympathizes with terrorists then have a conversation with 333 who expressed sympathy and outrage that he US killed Anwar al-Awlaki with a drone.
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Straw is 46 yo w the mentality of an 8 yo
yet I still kick your ass on a daily basis
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yet I still kick your ass on a daily basis
LOL - if you say so.
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Straw man is a guy you want to watch your back on patrol >:(
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Straw man is a guy you want to watch your back on patrol >:(
Straw Fag would be staring at my ass more than anything. He is a flamer
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/10/pentagon-believes-bergdahl-was-drugged-in-proof-of
Obama played for a fool again
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got to give Soul Crusher one Thing... he is firm in his beliefs... ;D
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White House says up to 90 staffers knew about Bergdahl swap, but Congress couldn’t be trusted
June 10, 2014 by Michele Kirk 112 Comments
White House officials told members of the House of Representatives in Monday afternoon’s classified briefing that 80 to 90 people had knowledge prior to the controversial “secret” trade of prisoners.
The disturbing news ruffled some feathers in Congress, CNN reports:
“If anything, I have more concerns,” said Rep. Peter King, R-New York. “Probably the most distressing thing or the most disturbing thing I heard was at least 80 to 90 people in the administration were aware of this proposed deal, and yet they couldn’t notify anyone in Congress.”
So, White House aides just out of college knew about the decision to exchange five dangerous terrorist leaders for suspected deserter Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl, but elected members of Congress were kept in the dark.
That sounds about right for this administration. Listen to reaction via CNN:
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'Lone Survivor' Luttrell Says He Wouldn’t Have Wanted a Prisoner Exchange
June 9, 2014 - 12:18 PM
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The former Navy SEAL behind the "Lone Survivor" book, Marcus Luttrell, was asked by Anderson Cooper Friday, "Had the situation with you been different, would you have wanted an exchange of prisoners?"
"No," Luttrell responded.
"I can tell you from my experience... the only negotiations for me was that the [Taliban] were trying to get me out of that hole that I was in, and cut my head off," he said. Luttrell was captured by the Taliban in 2005 after a deadly shootout which claimed the lives of three of his fellow SEALs.
"Would [the prisoner exchange] have been something that would have cut you the wrong way?" Cooper asked.
"When I went out there, I knew the risks and I accepted those," he added. "If I died on the battlefield, then that was the way it was supposed to be. When I did get captured, the only thing I held onto was the fact that my teammates were going to come get me, period."
"I understand the fear - when he was in the back of that truck, I remember that look, I had it. I mean it's the unknown," Luttrell said of the video showing Bergdahl's release.
Luttrell also said that the criticism of Bergdahl's father, Robert, isn't "a good idea."
"I know from experience when I was missing that my family and what they went through, my mother and my father - it's got to be the most painful thing any parent can experience. And to drop down on them the way a lot of people have, is probably a little, outside the box," he said.
"The Army will take care of" Bergdahl if he really did "leave his men behind," Luttrell said. But he cautioned against coming to judgment too quickly: "The problem with that whole social media campaign - I mean, heaven help this kid if he's not a deserter, because he's branded already."
Luttrell added that President Obama should have had the parents of the soldiers who died looking for Bergdahl at the Rose Garden ceremony along with Bergdahl's parents.
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Straw Fag would be staring at my ass more than anything. He is a flamer
says the closet queen who has begged me multiple times for a picture and calls Obama a twink and a bottom and of course like all other "straight" men spends his life gossiping about another man being secretly gay
The only possible redeemable quality about o-twink is that he s half black and gay.
and seems completely oblivious to how flaming he sounds
Twink please - Christie mess is nothing compared to the Obama admin scandals
Twink please - every plan of O-Twink had taxes going up on those at 250k
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says the closet queen who has begged me multiple times for a picture and calls Obama a twink and a bottom and of course like all other "straight" men spends his life gossiping about another man being secretly gay
and seems completely oblivious to how flaming he sounds
Out of you me and lurker - I am the only one in a relationship w a woman - case closed you lose
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Out of you me and lurker - I am the only one in a relationship w a woman - case closed you lose
LOL - you're not actually a lawyer are you?
btw - you forgot the other claim about me that you get off on ....remember?
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LOL - you're not actually a lawyer are you?
btw - you forgot the other claim about me that you get off on ....remember?
About you lifting? Yeah - that one is hilarious too.
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About you lifting? Yeah - that one is hilarious too.
LOL - moron closet case
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'Lone Survivor' Luttrell Says He Wouldn’t Have Wanted a Prisoner Exchange
June 9, 2014 - 12:18 PM
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The former Navy SEAL behind the "Lone Survivor" book, Marcus Luttrell, was asked by Anderson Cooper Friday, "Had the situation with you been different, would you have wanted an exchange of prisoners?"
"No," Luttrell responded.
"I can tell you from my experience... the only negotiations for me was that the [Taliban] were trying to get me out of that hole that I was in, and cut my head off," he said. Luttrell was captured by the Taliban in 2005 after a deadly shootout which claimed the lives of three of his fellow SEALs.
"Would [the prisoner exchange] have been something that would have cut you the wrong way?" Cooper asked.
"When I went out there, I knew the risks and I accepted those," he added. "If I died on the battlefield, then that was the way it was supposed to be. When I did get captured, the only thing I held onto was the fact that my teammates were going to come get me, period."
"I understand the fear - when he was in the back of that truck, I remember that look, I had it. I mean it's the unknown," Luttrell said of the video showing Bergdahl's release.
Luttrell also said that the criticism of Bergdahl's father, Robert, isn't "a good idea."
"I know from experience when I was missing that my family and what they went through, my mother and my father - it's got to be the most painful thing any parent can experience. And to drop down on them the way a lot of people have, is probably a little, outside the box," he said.
"The Army will take care of" Bergdahl if he really did "leave his men behind," Luttrell said. But he cautioned against coming to judgment too quickly: "The problem with that whole social media campaign - I mean, heaven help this kid if he's not a deserter, because he's branded already."
Luttrell added that President Obama should have had the parents of the soldiers who died looking for Bergdahl at the Rose Garden ceremony along with Bergdahl's parents.
Mr "Lone Surviver" needs to worry more about the families that he's pissed off which some of the bullshit he peddled in that book
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Out of you me and lurker - I am the only one in a relationship w a woman - case closed you lose
Repeating something doesn't make it true. Or else docs would have burned cities, Obama would have resigned, Obama would have dropped out of his reelection race, and Obama would have lost in a LANDSLIDE.
You are only repeating these delusions in an effort to make your own self feel better.
No straight man has ever admitted to dressing like a twink on purpose or constantly talks all this gay talk you do. Face facts, you are a queer. Staying in the closet is only feeding that self loathing binge you are on.
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Bergdahl’s dad was accused of stalking twin sisters
The New York Post ^ | June 13, 2014 | Lia Eustachewich
Posted on 6/13/2014 12:05:12 PM by 2ndDivisionVet
The father of Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl creepily stalked twin sisters for four and a half months, watching them as they showered and even accusing one of being a “two-timing bitch” though she never dated him, according to reports.
Bob Bergdahl allegedly began harassing Allie and Lacey Hillman, then 28, in June 2011 – two years after his son was captured by the Taliban — leading the terrified sisters to call the police because they were “very scared” of his “disturbing behavior,” the Daily Mail reported.
The bizarre stalking began when Lacey caught Bergdahl, 51, creeping around the sisters’ Hailey, Idaho home, according to a police report. The brunette ignored him when he asked if “something was missing” from the yard.
About a week later, Bergdahl returned the small garden gnome he had swiped and laughed at them, the twins told police.
They told cops the bearded Bergdahl, who worked for UPS at the time, “was always near or on” their property even though he wasn’t delivering packages to them....
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Mr "Lone Surviver" needs to worry more about the families that he's pissed off which some of the bullshit he peddled in that book
Please assclown, enlighten us with your wisdom ::)