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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Primemuscle on March 05, 2015, 10:19:21 PM
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Whenever I start to feel a little too comfortable in my own skin, I can count on certain Getbiggers to remind me that they think I am some kind of pervert/schmoe.
Thanks guys for keeping me on my toes and offering me distraction from my everyday life, which mainly consists of taking care of my ailing wife.
I am in a particularly shitty mood tonight, so sling as much shit as you want. I am up for a fight. Bring it on.
BTW, I am confident in the knowledge that I am more of a man than most of you will ever be.
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Whenever I start to feel a little too comfortable in my own skin, I can count on certain Getbiggers to remind me that they think I am some kind of pervert/schmoe.
Thanks guys for keeping me on my toes and offering me distraction from my everyday life, which mainly consists of taking care of my ailing wife.
I am in a particularly shitty mood tonight, so sling as much shit as you want. I am up for a fight. Bring it on.
BTW, I am confident in the knowledge that I am more of a man than most of you will ever be.
Go to bed bro.
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Is this a suicide note ??? :-\
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Take care Primemuscle. Don't be too serious. It's only getbig, ya know?
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Go to bed bro.
Thanks for the solid advice. I should do that. I am really wound up tonight. I probably wouldn't be able to sleep anyway.
Without a doubt, I am going to regret tonight for a long time to come. I just need to exhaust some negative energy that has been piling up for the last couple of months. It's a long story. Those of you who know me well, know what I am talking about.
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Thanks for the solid advice. I should do that. I am really wound up tonight. I probably wouldn't be able to sleep anyway.
Without a doubt, I am going to regret tonight for a long time to come. I just need to exhaust some negative energy that has been piling up for the last couple of months. It's a long story. Those of you who know me well, know what I am talking about.
Tell us what happened friend.
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Prime just log off and watch some tv. This isn't the site to be on when your not feeling right. Your a good guy if you want to vent drop a pm. We have all had those days
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Tell us what happened friend.
My wife is dying. We had a fight over this tonight. I love her. I am tired of being her caregiver. She is a feisty woman. I used to love that about her. Lately, this has been a huge pain in my ass. I'm trying to be brief (Getbig style), so I won't go into the details.
Let me vent please. I have no life outside of taking care of her other than posting on get big. Heck, I am the old man version of the youngsters on here posting from their parent's basement. I have no life and I am sick of it.
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Shitty situation but you guys had a great life together and have made a family. Being a care giver is no easy thing. No shame asking for a little help.
Getbig can be great to "escape" these kinds of things for a few moments. I relied on getbig last year a lot when I had a parent in the hospital.
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A very Good friend used to say
'it's only temporary-it feels like forever now-life will change-you'll look back and think it wasn't that Bad or That Long.
It helped me through some very difficult times.
And still does when I look at my life situation.
Yes it must tough & all consuming being there & caring for some one so loved & so close.
You are the whole world to her.
Be proud of what you are doing.
Go out into the countryside or where not to many people are....
Scream shout be abusive etc vent your Spleen.
Then look around at the natural beauty of the landscape.
Failing the above Scream Shout Be Abusive here on Getbig
Say all the things you want to those on here you either like or dislike.
Let it out.
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Shitty situation but you guys had a great life together and have made a family. Being a care giver is no easy thing. No shame asking for a little help.
Getbig can be great to "escape" these kinds of things for a few moments. I relied on getbig last year a lot when I had a parent in the hospital.
Getbig is my escape. Has been for several years now. -Really is tonight.
I am having the meltdown of a lifetime tonight and I decided to do it on Getbig.
Tomorrow, I will take my wife to dialysis. I will try to honor her wishes and not play nurse. If she takes her meds on her own, great! If she fucks it up and dies because I backed off like she says to want me to do, then that is how the cookie crumbles.
A week ago we interviewed hospice. She seemed not ready to give up the fight. Our family and I were encouraged and ready to help her fight death and more importantly preserve her quality of life for as long as she has left with us.
Since the new year, my wife has been in the hospital almost more than she has been at home. She is likely going to die sooner rather than later. Not to make this a pity party for me, but I cannot imagine life without her. Fuck! We have been together for nearly 52 years.
Maybe shooting up a bunch of shit to be jacked even though it means you will probably die young is the way to go. Live big and die young.
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Prime, I thought you were a homo, but you have a wife. How does this work?
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Prime, I thought you were a homo, but you have a wife. How does this work?
He's bisexual.
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no homo
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Tonight is a good night for drinks, Prime. Take the edge off.
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Prime, I thought you were a homo, but you have a wife. How does this work?
Often, it doesn't work very well. I am speaking generally because sex is not a big issue for me these days, nor has it been for years.
It has been difficult issue for both of us for all of our married life. If I could have taken a pill that would have killed my attraction to other men, I would have paid a million dollars for it. There is no such pill.
My wife went though tough times thinking somehow she wasn't woman enough to satisfy me. But being honest here, she knew about my attraction to men long before we married.
The bottom line is it doesn't work very well. We just make it work the best we can.
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Soon your shitty life will come to an end, and you will be out chasing pussy again, start training and dieting, lots of horny woman at funerals
I know I can always count on you guys to pull me through a wallow through self pity. You are hit it on the nose. It is time for me to hit the gym and get a jacked as possible for what lies ahead.
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Often, it doesn't work very well. I am speaking generally because sex is not a big issue for me these days, nor has it been for years.
It has been difficult issue for both of us for all of our married life. If I could have taken a pill that would have killed my attraction to other men, I would have paid a million dollars for it. There is no such pill.
My wife went though tough times thinking somehow she wasn't woman enough to satisfy me. But being honest here, she knew about my attraction to men long before we married.
The bottom line is it doesn't work very well. We just make it work the best we can.
Strange that you both continued in the relationship, given the facts. Would you say your attraction to men is stronger than your attraction to women?
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Strange that you both continued in the relationship, given the facts. Would you say your attraction to men is stronger than your attraction to women?
My response to your question is yes.
I cannot explain how I ended up married to my wife for all these years. I love her more than I have ever loved anyone. I love the life we've made together. Our children are the best. I have a wonderful life and I know being married to this woman who I love is the reason for this. Honestly, had we not found each other, I would probably have gotten HIV and died a long time ago.
I guess one must define attraction. Sexually, men are wild sex. No one knows better what gets a man off then another man. Romantically, most men suck, I suspect. I have never been in love with a guy, so I don't really know.
Sex without love is for the young. Companionship which comes from building a life together is something older people who've been successful at doing this know.
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I have been accused of melting down sometimes. Let me say that those were not real meltdowns. Tonight you all witnessed me melting down for real, big time.
Thanks guys for putting up with this. Because I was able to post my true feelings at this moment here, I avoided going off on those I love.
Like the saying goes, tomorrow is another day. Hopefully, it will be a better day for us then today was. My wife will be in dialysis from 11:00 a.m. until they let her out. It is supposed to be 4 hours but it ends up being a lot longer. I am going to back off playing nurse Ratched. If she checks her blood sugar and takes her meds like she's supposed to, great. I am not going to check on her to see that she did what she's supposed to do. It is up to her. If she wants to live awhile longer, great. I am no longer going to be the gate keeper on this. It is killing me.
I just want to say that you all are the best. When the time came that I needed a sounding board, you were there for me. Getbig rules!
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Study electricity
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My response to your question is yes.
I cannot explain how I ended up married to my wife for all these years. I love her more than I have ever loved anyone. I love the life we've made together. Our children are the best. I have a wonderful life and I know being married to this woman who I love is the reason for this. Honestly, had we not found each other, I would probably have gotten HIV and died a long time ago.
I guess one must define attraction. Sexually, men are wild sex. No one knows better what gets a man off then another man. Romantically, most men suck, I suspect. I have never been in love with a guy, so I don't really know.
Sex without love is for the young. Companionship which comes from building a life together is something older people who've been successful at doing this know.
I guess: if it works, it works! Are your children aware of your persuasions, and if so, how do they feel about it?
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Study electricity
Wow! Great advice Marty. Actually, I have studied electricity back in the day when I was still gainfully employed and a limited electrical license was an advantage to my job. I rewired one of the homes I've owned from the meter out and it sailed though inspection. To this day, I'd take electrical over plumbing anytime. Play by the rules and electrical always works....plumbing, not so much.
I love how you always "ground" a conversation with a reply that seems somewhat existential. Remember when you ate dirt and other stuff. You are the "go to guy" for anything anyone ever thought about doing.
You are good people. I like you a lot. I am jealous of your big dick because mine isn't as big, but that is just how the cookie crumbles, isn't it? Keep up with your Youtube singing videos. They are unique. Someday, someone will discover you and you will become famous. We Getbiggers can say we knew you when you were just another nobody posting on
Getbig.
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Primebeef! ;D
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You will miss her when she is gone Prime. I'm sure its a struggle sometimes, but you must cherish these moments.
The hourglass may be almost empty, but you can control the quality of the sand that is left.
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Prime just log off and watch some tv. This isn't the site to be on when your not feeling right. Your a good guy if you want to vent drop a pm. We have all had those days decades : )
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genuinely
i would suggest you try and form some relationships in real life
if you are coming here for comfort
you need to re-evaluate your life
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Whenever I start to feel a little too comfortable in my own skin, I can count on certain Getbiggers to remind me that they think I am some kind of pervert/schmoe.
Thanks guys for keeping me on my toes and offering me distraction from my everyday life, which mainly consists of taking care of my ailing wife.
I am in a particularly shitty mood tonight, so sling as much shit as you want. I am up for a fight. Bring it on.
BTW, I am confident in the knowledge that I am more of a man than most of you will ever be.
Hope she recovers.
One thing i don't compute: If you are a homosexual is your wife a female? Serious question.
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Man, Getbig is tough. The dude is here, pouring out his soul (not the best choice of a soul-receptacle) and the hits keep coming.
Prime, we are all complex beings. You married your wife, you raised a family and you stayed with her and now you are further honoring your vows by helping to ease her into the next life.
As far as I am concerned, you are a real man. So much more than so many of the poseurs here on Getbig. Rest, my friend, for there will be many more tough days ahead. But this too shall pass. Ignore the peasantry, for they know not what they do.
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Prime does seem like a good man
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Old man Prime, few here would know what's it like to be in your situation. To be with someone for 52 yrs and then to see them deteriorate after years and years of marriage.
It's hard to see where our road in life will take us. But, you were on that journey with someone. Some of us are too bitter, too prideful, too angry, and too hurt, to be able to find someone to join them on such a journey.
I admire and envy you and your wife---your ups and downs, it's called life, but you've travelled that road together, and raised kids.
And now, the hardest part is possibly letting go, knowing that as a caregiver and a husband, it is your duty and responsibility to make sure your life mate pulls through. And it doubly hurts when it seems like that person is throwing in the towel. And so, you question whether it is selfish of you, and of her, for this seems like you both are going separate ways, when so long you both have travelled down the same road, TOGETHER.
Other than saying I wish you both well, I feel that there is nothing that I can say to help soothe the pain. No witty words, no humorous jokes or whimsical sayings. Only emphathy at your situation.
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Feeling low is a sign of early onset of Alzheimer's....at your age I'd go check with a doctor, and when you drive there put a balloon on your car aerial incase you forget where you parked it, old git.
^ is this the sort of bashing you like and come here for? :D
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MOS can you say a prayer
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best wishes for your wife, Prime.
Sucks to have an ill loved one.
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This place can be tough, but we have compassion for our own when they are having genuine issues.
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This place can be tough, but we have compassion for our own when they are having genuine issues.
Dude you need real world friends. I'm guessing you're some sort of social degenerate that goes into a corner when engaged in a big group of people.
And Prime you've always been a strange cat. Like really freaking weird.
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My wife is dying. We had a fight over this tonight. I love her. I am tired of being her caregiver. She is a feisty woman. I used to love that about her. Lately, this has been a huge pain in my ass. I'm trying to be brief (Getbig style), so I won't go into the details.
Let me vent please. I have no life outside of taking care of her other than posting on get big. Heck, I am the old man version of the youngsters on here posting from their parent's basement. I have no life and I am sick of it.
I see this all the time here in SFL. Not just because I work in the health care industry either. In almost every case, both of the people involved are dying. The caretaker is just dying a little bit slower than the other. That is what it does. It takes from you. It takes bits and pieces from you until you feel like a slave trapped in a situation that when all emotions are considered is like some kind of personal hell. It does take it's toll on you.
While you may not can do much about her dying, you can put some effort into you living. Take a little time for yourself. Not just here on GB either. Can you go to a movie for a couple of hours? Walk the mall? Play video games or put up a basket ball goal in the back yard and shoot some hoops when you are feeling the pressure. Is it possible to hire a nurse aide for half a day and give yourself some time to go on a day trip somewhere? Will your children take over the duties for one weekend to let you get away?
It sucks and sometimes you just want to give up and quit. But you know what really sucks? The way you feel for the rest of your life when it ends if you do give up. You have to be strong for her and YOU. But you also have to let her decide a few things along the way. (Assuming she is in the right frame of mind). It's her life and in some cases when things are really bad and there is no bright future or hope to look forward to, those people can get very depressed and frustrated and lash out at the ones closet to them.
Sorry you are going through this.
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I see this all the time here in SFL. Not just because I work in the health care industry either. In almost every case, both of the people involved are dying. The caretaker is just dying a little bit slower than the other. That is what it does. It takes from you. It takes bits and pieces from you until you feel like a slave trapped in a situation that when all emotions are considered is like some kind of personal hell. It does take it's toll on you.
While you may not can do much about her dying, you can put some effort into you living. Take a little time for yourself. Not just here on GB either. Can you go to a movie for a couple of hours? Walk the mall? Play video games or put up a basket ball goal in the back yard and shoot some hoops when you are feeling the pressure. Is it possible to hire a nurse aide for half a day and give yourself some time to go on a day trip somewhere? Will your children take over the duties for one weekend to let you get away?
It sucks and sometimes you just want to give up and quit. But you know what really sucks? The way you feel for the rest of your life when it ends if you do give up. You have to be strong for her and YOU. But you also have to let her decide a few things along the way. (Assuming she is in the right frame of mind). It's her life and in some cases when things are really bad and there is no bright future or hope to look forward to, those people can get very depressed and frustrated and lash out at the ones closet to them.
Sorry you are going through this.
I've watched others in my family and coworkers become consumed with direct care giving for a loved one. It's a challenging, wonderful, sincere act of love that takes everything out of you.
What you wrote is great advice.
There is nothing wrong with recharging your batteries, stepping out for a bit or engaging in a hobby, etc.....can't provide solid care if your own physical and mental health is suffering.
And yes, sometimes the best of caregivers want to let out a scream or get some form of release.....it's ok.
I admire the longetivity of his marriage and his faithful, loving care of his wife.....Prime has a servant's heart.....we need more Primes.
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we need more Primes.
Well, there's always Optimus Prime...
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Well, there's always Optimus Prime...
Yes there is aj.....yes there is
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Prime I know you have mentioned on here you have adult children. Are you able to get any help, support from them?
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most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to still dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. At this point we see ourselves and others for what they truly are; machines, animals, and everything else we say, think, is just fairytales. We re constantly lying to ourselves and others about our intentions.
We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief. The biggest "love" becomes the biggest hate, two sides of the same coin.
This is our true nature. We all abandon others, and we all get abandonned by them.
Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms.
Only the strong enjoy life, while his, her position of domination lasts. The weak "hope" he or his offsprings will dominate. If for some reason he realizes he or his offsprings wont be able to dominate, life gradually loses its taste.
Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.
Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.
Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.
Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.
You can try to focus on "new stuff", think about something else than the cold hard reality, in the end it always win, we all slowly, gradually realize the true nature of existence, our true animal nature, and how vain the whole process of life is at its core. Even those who successfully by different methods, spend their lives willingly ignoring death, absurdity, randomness, die because their organs fail at some point. For others, the body still work, but the mind have seen it all too soon.
And there is no coming back , no possibility to become an ignorant, innocent child again, it's a one way travel.
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Prime rib?
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Deion "Prime Time" Sanders?
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most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief.
This is our true nature.
Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms. Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.
Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.
Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.
Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.
Wow, your response is so original. I would have never thought this would be your opinion. What a surprise. ::) ::)
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Stay strong Primemuscle.
Vent your frustration, be pissed, feel your feelings..........and then refocus.
What you are doing is not easy, but it's very important as I'm sure you know.
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Whenever I start to feel a little too comfortable in my own skin, I can count on certain Getbiggers to remind me that they think I am some kind of pervert/schmoe.
Thanks guys for keeping me on my toes and offering me distraction from my everyday life, which mainly consists of taking care of my ailing wife.
I am in a particularly shitty mood tonight, so sling as much shit as you want. I am up for a fight. Bring it on.
BTW, I am confident in the knowledge that I am more of a man than most of you will ever be.
TL/DR
YLLS
HTH
;D
(I'm sorry to hear of your troubles - try to find strength and happiness in everything you do. Count your blessings that you had over 50 wonderful years together. Sorry, but life isn't a Cosmo magazine)
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most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief.
This is our true nature.
Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms. Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.
Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.
Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.
Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.
point to where the bad man touched you
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I've watched others in my family and coworkers become consumed with direct care giving for a loved one. It's a challenging, wonderful, sincere act of love that takes everything out of you.
What you wrote is great advice.
There is nothing wrong with recharging your batteries, stepping out for a bit or engaging in a hobby, etc.....can't provide solid care if your own physical and mental health is suffering.
And yes, sometimes the best of caregivers want to let out a scream or get some form of release.....it's ok.
I admire the longetivity of his marriage and his faithful, loving care of his wife.....Prime has a servant's heart.....we need more Primes.
you could argue that he broke the sanctity of his marriage when he went to get his cock sucked at the local glory hole
not quite husband of the year material
what if his wife happened to read this
forum
where he openly boasts about craving the cock
and how low do you have to be to throw her under the bus by starting a thread like this
a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
guy is a weirdo period
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
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Sorry for your current situation bruh.as someone stated previously "this too shall pass" . Whatever happens it will be easier with a stronger body and stronger mental discipline so get off ur arse, get in the gym and lift some iron niggah! !
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a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
in the beginning caring for the weak makes you feel good, then it gets boring, and utlimately annoying especially if you get nothing out of it. If people werent paid to "take care" of others, they simply wouldnt. Most retirement homes, hospital and jails employees are openly disgusted by the people they re supposed to "take care" of. They only do it cause they re paid to do so. There is no compassion, empathy, they often only get a kick at subtly despising, laughing at the weak who are abandonned in their hands, at their mercy. Again, most people's main pleasure in life is to see others suffer. We never say it, talk about it, we always pretend we are something we arent, this is how life keeps going on.
At some point weakness disgusts you as it somewhat contaminates you and reduces your own odds of survival. And you reject it. You think you re better than that. You dont realize you re just luckier, you think you re smarter, until one day it's your turn, and the comedy keeps going on and on and on.
This is animal nature, we re designed to worship what is beautiful, strong, dominating which means "alive", and to be disgusted by what is ugly, weak, submissive which means "death".
And we laugh at what is weak , ugly, disgusting. Until one day people laugh at us because we ve become weak, ugly, disgusting too, no matter how hard we tried to look tough as long as we could.
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in the beginning caring for the weak makes you feel good, then it gets boring, and utlimately annoying especially if you get nothing out of it. If people werent paid to "take care" of others, they simply wouldnt.
At some point weakness disgusts you as it somewhat contaminates you and reduces your own odds of survival. And you reject it.
This is animal nature, we re designed to worship what is beautiful, strong, dominating which means "alive", and to be disgusted by what is ugly, weak, submissive which means "death".
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most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to still dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. At this point we see ourselves and others for what they truly are; machines, animals, and everything else we say, think, is just fairytales. We re constantly lying to ourselves and others about our intentions.
We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief. The biggest "love" becomes the biggest hate, two sides of the same coin.
This is our true nature. We all abandon others, and we all get abandonned by them.
Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms.
Only the strong enjoy life, while his, her position of domination lasts. The weak "hope" he or his offsprings will dominate. If for some reason he realizes he or his offsprings wont be able to dominate, life gradually loses its taste.
Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.
Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.
Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.
Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.
You can try to focus on "new stuff", think about something else than the cold hard reality, in the end it always win, we all slowly, gradually realize the true nature of existence, our true animal nature, and how vain the whole process of life is at its core. Even those who successfully by different methods, spend their lives willingly ignoring death, absurdity, randomness, die because their organs fail at some point. For others, the body still work, but the mind have seen it all too soon.
And there is no coming back , no possibility to become an ignorant, innocent child again, it's a one way travel.
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Often, it doesn't work very well. I am speaking generally because sex is not a big issue for me these days, nor has it been for years.
It has been difficult issue for both of us for all of our married life. If I could have taken a pill that would have killed my attraction to other men, I would have paid a million dollars for it. There is no such pill.
My wife went though tough times thinking somehow she wasn't woman enough to satisfy me. But being honest here, she knew about my attraction to men long before we married.
The bottom line is it doesn't work very well. We just make it work the best we can.
You just went up in my book. That's about as real as an answer as one could ask for
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you could argue that he broke the sanctity of his marriage when he went to get his cock sucked at the local glory hole
not quite husband of the year material
what if his wife happened to read this
forum
where he openly boasts about craving the cock
and how low do you have to be to throw her under the bus by starting a thread like this
a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
guy is a weirdo period
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
I choose to uplift and encourage folks who are hurting. In doing so doesn't mean I endorse all facets of their lifestyle or worldview.
I've personally witnessed folks that have provided dedicated care for a dying loved one. Helping them wash, wipe, eat, take meds, doctor visits, hear them groan in pain night after night and every other need they may have.
I haven't done this myself, but my parents have and my coworkers have. It's an amazing act of love that can drain the caregiver completely.
Again, I simply choose to be uplifting and encouraging.
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you could argue that he broke the sanctity of his marriage when he went to get his cock sucked at the local glory hole
not quite husband of the year material
what if his wife happened to read this
forum
where he openly boasts about craving the cock
and how low do you have to be to throw her under the bus by starting a thread like this
a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
guy is a weirdo period
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
Some days a coward like you should just leave the sanctimonious prick act at home.
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Some days a coward like you should just leave the sanctimonious prick act at home.
anonymity
that's all you have buttons
:-*
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I choose to uplift and encourage folks who are hurting. In doing so doesn't mean I endorse all facets of their lifestyle or worldview.
I've personally witnessed folks that have provided dedicated care for a dying loved one. Helping them wash, wipe, eat, take meds, doctor visits, hear them groan in pain night after night and every other need they may have.
I haven't done this myself, but my parents have and my coworkers have. It's an amazing act of love that can drain the caregiver completely.
Again, I simply choose to be uplifting and encouraging.
that's very Christian of you
I just don't think get big is the place to discuss stuff like this
and I also don't think validation through sympathy is helpful
a real life mutual support group or such like
would be much more emotionally beneficial
and healthier
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anonymity
that's all you have buttons
:-*
Oh?
And here I thought you and your little Arab jerk off partner were absolutely certain I was some fat guido from Arizona?
See, anonymity is something you DON'T have.
Toots. ::)
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It would be great if my friends Walter and bigmc could get along.
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Oh?
And here I thought you and your little Arab jerk off partner were absolutely certain I was some fat guido from Arizona?
See, anonymity is something you DON'T have.
Toots. ::)
not given it any thought sparkles
keep throwing virtual hands pit bull
you are a bad man on the tinterwebz 8)
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that's very Christian of you
I just don't think get big is the place to discuss stuff like this
and I also don't think validation through sympathy is helpful
a real life mutual support group or such like
would be much more emotionally beneficial
and healthier
I agree
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Prime is old school. Cant teach an old prime new tricks. He is OK in my book.
I hope tomorrow is a better day for the Geezer
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Primemuscle, I am curious why isn't there a hospice nurse coming to the home? Or why isn't she in hospice? Was it a conscious decision to not go this route? A hospice nurse coming to the home can definitely take the burden off of you. It doesn't mean your abandoning her, as you will still be at home when the nurse is there. Its just an extra set of hands, especially from someone who is trained in this type of care. We all need support, whether its through family, friends, or trained professionals.
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Most people let themselves die when they realize even their "loved ones" dont want to take care of them anymore. This is when the psychological decline starts which often worsens the physical decline at the same time. Most "mentally ill" people are just people who were hurt psychologically by those supposed to take care of them. This is why old people also often develop "mentally illnesses" when abandonned by their kids and grandkids in various kind of institutions. Most mental illnesses are the result of high level of stress and psychological abuse that deteriorate the thought process and biological functionning of the brain altogether.
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It would be great if my friends Walter and bigmc could get along.
You are 100% correct, this thread is not the time or place.
My apologies to Primemuscle.
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Prime is my second favorite cocksucker, right behind OMR.
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Waaaait a min................ooohh h.... so prime is into schlongs???? :O
Holly shit. GetBig still surprises me!
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You will miss her when she is gone Prime. I'm sure its a struggle sometimes, but you must cherish these moments.
The hourglass may be almost empty, but you can control the quality of the sand that is left.
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Like the song goes, maybe tomorrow is a better day. Today is a better day.
I apologize to anyone I offended by creating this thread about my and my wife's real life situation. Getbig is a strange place to look for solace and understanding. You all surprised me though with you honest replies. I really appreciate what you posted, even the negative replies. Where else can you go that there will be so many people busting your chops and so many expressing good ideas an heartfelt wishes.
I am going to try to take some of the great advice which was offered. Although I know I need to start doing more for myself, like hitting the gym regularly, I've been sidetracked by my own depression. I really don't have any excuse for not doing some of what you all recommended because I do have help with my wife. Our daughter steps up to the plate on a daily basis. My son-in-law helps me out by doing some of the chores around the house.
Someone asked why my wife isn't in hospice. We interviewed hospice last month because she though she was ready to throw in the towel. After talking to the hospice rep and then discussing this with our family, we all agreed to keep up the fight. My wife decided she'd give dialysis a try. So far, dialysis has made her feel better. Her quality of life has improved.
Most of the time, we do well. I think I just hit a low point yesterday.
- Bottom line, (this is the bottom line ;D), thanks to all of you for being there for me when I needed both some slapping around and some pats on the back.
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genuinely
i would suggest you try and form some relationships in real life
if you are coming here for comfort
you need to re-evaluate your life
I have a lot of real life friends and family who I interact with on a regular basis. My friends are great friends who have the habit of telling me exactly what I want to hear. Sometimes I need a different perspective. Getbig is one place that guarantees I will get it.
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Like the song goes, maybe tomorrow is a better day. Today is a better day.
I apologize to anyone I offended by creating this thread about my and my wife's real life situation. Getbig is a strange place to look for solace and understanding. You all surprised me though with you honest replies. I really appreciate what you posted, even the negative replies. Where else can you go that there will be so many people busting your chops and so many expressing good ideas an heartfelt wishes.
I am going to try to take some of the great advice which was offered. Although I know I need to start doing more for myself, like hitting the gym regularly, I've been sidetracked by my own depression. I really don't have any excuse for not doing some of what you all recommended because I do have help with my wife. Our daughter steps up to the plate on a daily basis. My son-in-law helps me out by doing some of the chores around the house.
Someone asked why my wife isn't in hospice. We interviewed hospice last month because she though she was ready to throw in the towel. After talking to the hospice rep and then discussing this with our family, we all agreed to keep up the fight. My wife decided she'd give dialysis a try. So far, dialysis has made her feel better. Her quality of life has improved.
Most of the time, we do well. I think I just hit a low point yesterday.
- Bottom line, (this is the bottom line ;D), thanks to all of you for being there for me when I needed both some slapping around and some pats on the back.
Better days ahead, Prime. Good luck with everything.
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Hope she recovers.
One thing i don't compute: If you are a homosexual is your wife a female? Serious question.
Yes my wife is female. We have two biological children. Medical science hasn't advanced enough that a man can get pregnant. :)
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I have a lot of real life friends and family who I interact with on a regular basis. My friends are great friends who have the habit of telling me exactly what I want to hear. Sometimes I need a different perspective. Getbig is one place that guarantees I will get it.
there are people in this thread doing the same
then attacking others for the brutal truth
looking after someone you love isnt a chore
just as she would say accepting you for you "interests" isnt a chore
its swings and roundabouts gramps
try a help group for people in the same boat seriously
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Feeling low is a sign of early onset of Alzheimer's....at your age I'd go check with a doctor, and when you drive there put a balloon on your car aerial incase you forget where you parked it, old git.
^ is this the sort of bashing you like and come here for? :D
After taking my wife to dialysis, I went to the store and bought a :) helium balloon which is now attached to my antenna. Thanks for the suggestion! Forgetting which handicap spot I parked the car in is always annoying.
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We all get the blues sometimes. Good to see you feeling better and up to your feisty self. (no homo)
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there are people in this thread doing the same
then attacking others for the brutal truth
looking after someone you love isnt a chore
just as she would say accepting you for you "interests" isnt a chore
its swings and roundabouts gramps
try a help group for people in the same boat seriously
You are right, looking after a loved one shouldn't be a chore....and yet, there are times when it is. Most of the time, it isn't.
If I start to feel like I felt last night most of the time, I will get help. Be that with a support group or in therapy. Your advice is appreciated.
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Thanks for the solid advice. I should do that. I am really wound up tonight. I probably wouldn't be able to sleep anyway.
Without a doubt, I am going to regret tonight for a long time to come. I just need to exhaust some negative energy that has been piling up for the last couple of months. It's a long story. Those of you who know me well, know what I am talking about.
I'd advise you to:
1. Get in bed
2. place head under the covers
3. Fart until you pass out.
4. Post about it here
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I'd advise you to:
1. Get in bed
2. place head under the covers
3. Fart until you pass out.
4. Post about it here
Hmmmm, seems like shit advices, but I'll keep an eye on the thread as I would like to see his report if he decides to do it.
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you could argue that he broke the sanctity of his marriage when he went to get his cock sucked at the local glory hole
not quite husband of the year material
what if his wife happened to read this
forum
where he openly boasts about craving the cock
and how low do you have to be to throw her under the bus by starting a thread like this
a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
guy is a weirdo period
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
I am not husband of the year by a long shot. Sometimes I am a "weirdo" too.
As for what and when something that shouldn't be a chore feels like one, come see me after you have spent the last seven years taking care of another person. My wife has been ill for a very long time.
You are making an assumption as to when that sexual adventure happened. You got the timeline wrong.
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You are right, looking after a loved one shouldn't be a chore....and yet, there are times when it is. Most of the time, it isn't.
If I start to feel like I felt last night most of the time, I will get help. Be that with a support group or in therapy. Your advice is appreciated.
I'm sure she's got a few painkillers you can dip into. When you're down, I mean. Norco and wine, good for the soul.
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I'd advise you to:
1. Get in bed
2. place head under the covers
3. Fart until you pass out.
4. Post about it here
I'll pass.
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I'm sure she's got a few painkillers you can dip into. When you're down, I mean. Norco and wine, good for the soul.
Last night scotch was my pain killer. That was bad enough. No thanks on the happy pills.
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Last night scotch was my pain killer. That was bad enough. No thanks on the happy pills.
Ok, whatever helps.
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We are animals bro ........................ ........... survival ........................ ........animals......... ........................ .....resources .................surviva l ,animal ,survival, survival , you know what I'm saying.
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We are animals bro ........................ ........... survival ........................ ........animals......... ........................ .....resources .................surviva l ,animal ,survival, survival , you know what I'm saying.
Please tell me more about survival and animals!!
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you could argue that he broke the sanctity of his marriage when he went to get his cock sucked at the local glory hole
not quite husband of the year material
what if his wife happened to read this
forum
where he openly boasts about craving the cock
and how low do you have to be to throw her under the bus by starting a thread like this
a forum where people abuse each other is not the correct place to say you are sick of caring for your wife
guy is a weirdo period
caring for your wife isn't a chore ffs
which is why I can respect the answer he gave when asked how his bisexuality worked in the marriage.
instead of the usual vague bullshit answer, he straight up said "it didn't work" .
I don't condone his lifestyle, but i can respect that he's being honest
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PRIME, I'm impressed by some of these great and well-intended comments here and find it difficult to say anything better than what the best GetBiggers have already stated.
But......
I've experienced a similar situation for a period of 35 years and when it came to an end ....... I was somewhat 'sadly' glad that it was over but even more "gladder" that I had done what I could do for so damn many years.
I can guarantee that you will be feeling pretty darn proud of yourself later even though you are going throughout some major torments today.
God bless a and all my best.
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Damn, pass the tissues to tbombz. You though he was crying the other day! That was nothing...
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PRIME, I'm impressed by some of these great and well-intended comments here and find it difficult to say anything better than what the best GetBiggers have already stated.
But......
I've experienced a similar situation for a period of 35 years and when it came to an end ....... I was somewhat 'sadly' glad that it was over but even more "gladder" that I had done what I could do for so damn many years.
I can guarantee that you will be feeling pretty darn proud of yourself later even though you are going throughout some major torments today.
God bless a and all my best.
Thanks. I try to hang onto the positive side of things whenever I can. Obviously, I slipped big time last night.
We as a family with my wife at the helm, all want what is best for her. None of us believes in trading quality of life just to extend it. This is why we looked into hospice. What we got from the hospice representative did not convince us that the quality of my wife's remaining life would be better. They'd just dope her up so she wouldn't know or care that she was dying.
There are only three choices with stage IV kidney failure as best as I understand. One is do nothing and wait to die, which generally takes a few weeks (hospice approach). Another choice is to have dialysis which replaces the previous function of the kidneys by removing toxins from the blood. And for a lucky few, have a kidney replacement.
Choice one means you will feel ill, like with a case of the flu. It also means you will become increasingly less coherent, loose control of your body and generally die slowly over the course of a few weeks.
With choice two, dialysis removes the toxins in the blood and improves how you feel. With luck, one can live quite awhile on dialysis. However, the kidneys continue to fail and will eventually stop working altogether. We've neglected to ask what happens then. Obviously, you'll still die. When this happens is it quicker? Don't know. This is something we need to talk to the doctor about.
My wife has a raft of health issues. This means she is not a candidate for a kidney replacement because she is too sick to survive this or any other surgery. So choice three is simply not an option.
At the moment, dialysis is extending her life and improving the quality of that life. She's the crazy woman we all know and love (who obviously sometimes exasperates me). The win is that she feels better and we get to have her around longer. The hard part is knowing that we are extending the inevitable. She will not get out of this alive.
Since the New Year, my wife has been in the hospital as much as she's been at home. That's hard on all of us, but mostly her. It has been a really rough couple of months.
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Damn, pass the tissues to tbombz. You though he was crying the other day! That was nothing...
That was something wasn't it? I mean he is either a very emotional guy or he is one hell of an actor.
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I am going to back off playing nurse Ratched. If she checks her blood sugar and takes her meds like she's supposed to, great. I am not going to check on her to see that she did what she's supposed to do. It is up to her.
If she takes her meds on her own, great!
I am tired of being her caregiver.
These are the exact things that will return to haunt you when she is gone. Sort through these issues now, my friend. It will be the most important thing you ever do. Seriously, it may end up killing you with regret if you don't.
Can you describe how it goes, when she resists you?
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Find someone to watch her Sat and Sun and get on a plane and go to the Arnold's and get your fill of the glittery thong. I'm sure Ohio has it's version of the Mirage room 7 ice machine. So with a little dough, I'd imagine you can get one of the lads to cross the imaginary line for you...
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Why isn't she in hospice care? I never understood people who complain about caring for dying people. There is a reason why there are professionals and institutions who are dedicated to working with dying people. BECAUSE ITS A LOT OF WORK!!
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These are the exact things that will return to haunt you when she is gone. Sort through these issues now, my friend. It will be the most important thing you ever do. Seriously, it may end up killing you with regret if you don't.
Can you describe how it goes, when she resists you?
The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.
I get that she wants to retain her independence. It is hard to balance this with wanting to insure she's doing everything she's supposed to be as healthy and safe as possible. For now, I am going to try and not bug her about it in hopes that she will do what she knows she is supposed to do. If she has an episode of low blood sugar as happened a few weeks ago and ends up in the emergency room, then we will do something different. When thinking about quality of life, it just isn't worth it if we are arguing about this one issue everyday.
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The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.
What's your most honest answer as to why she reacts like this?
I get that she wants to retain her independence. It is hard to balance this with wanting to insure she's doing everything she's supposed to be as healthy and safe as possible. For now, I am going to try and not bug her about it in hopes that she will do what she knows she is supposed to do. If she has an episode of low blood sugar as happened a few weeks ago and ends up in the emergency room, then we will do something different. When thinking about quality of life, it just isn't worth it if we are arguing about this one issue everyday.
What does her independence amount to at this point, if I can ask that. What does she do with it...where does she go and what does she do?
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Thanks. I try to hang onto the positive side of things whenever I can. Obviously, I slipped big time last night.
We as a family with my wife at the helm, all want what is best for her. None of us believes in trading quality of life just to extend it. This is why we looked into hospice. What we got from the hospice representative did not convince us that the quality of my wife's remaining life would be better. They'd just dope her up so she wouldn't know or care that she was dying.
There are only three choices with stage IV kidney failure as best as I understand. One is do nothing and wait to die, which generally takes a few weeks (hospice approach). Another choice is to have dialysis which replaces the previous function of the kidneys by removing toxins from the blood. And for a lucky few, have a kidney replacement.
Choice one means you will feel ill, like with a case of the flu. It also means you will become increasingly less coherent, loose control of your body and generally die slowly over the course of a few weeks.
With choice two, dialysis removes the toxins in the blood and improves how you feel. With luck, one can live quite awhile on dialysis. However, the kidneys continue to fail and will eventually stop working altogether. We've neglected to ask what happens then. Obviously, you'll still die. When this happens is it quicker? Don't know. This is something we need to talk to the doctor about.
My wife has a raft of health issues. This means she is not a candidate for a kidney replacement because she is too sick to survive this or any other surgery. So choice three is simply not an option.
At the moment, dialysis is extending her life and improving the quality of that life. She's the crazy woman we all know and love (who obviously sometimes exasperates me). The win is that she feels better and we get to have her around longer. The hard part is knowing that we are extending the inevitable. She will not get out of this alive.
Since the New Year, my wife has been in the hospital as much as she's been at home. That's hard on all of us, but mostly her. It has been a really rough couple of months.
if she wants to die, why not sign papers for euthanasia
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Yes my wife is female. We have two biological children. Medical science hasn't advanced enough that a man can get pregnant. :)
I can't phantom how one can have TWO kids with a female when one is attracted to males. I mean - I could not get a hard to fuck another male no matter what.
One thing for sure (after reading all this story) - one and only way I would like to get to an old age is if I'd have the genome like my grandgrandmother had. She never ever felt any serious pain, any serious illness, was completely healthy (even had long hair at fukkin 90+, no lies) and her mind was working well right upon her sudden death when her spleen gave up and she died in like 20seconds. Other than that - thanks, but I'd like to go while young enough (or - healthy and strong enough) not to witness my own slow, gradual demise.
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Prime ever ask your doctor about an insulin pump? A 20 something kid down the block has one. Some kind of electronic device that automatically pumps the correct amount of insulin into the body. It's a small device that goes into the body and you can barely see it. That's all I know about it.
I do know when blood sugar is messed up the a person can act like they're drunk. Obnoxious and out of it. Maybe her mood would be more stable if her sugar is stabilized automatically instead of relying on her to monitor is because she is not thinking coherently due to kidneys and blood sugar problems.
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What's your most honest answer as to why she reacts like this?
In almost every relationship, one person is more dominant that the other. In our relationship, that would be me. Every so often, my wife like to assert herself. This was one of those times. Also, she's been so sick for so long, she feels like she doesn't have much control over her own life. Credit to her that she still is willing to put up a fight.
What does her independence amount to at this point, if I can ask that. What does she do with it...where does she go and what does she do?
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She has almost no independence. She no longer drives because she started having some minor accidents which suggested she was blacking out. She's smart and caring enough to not want to put others at risk. Most everything she does, she has to rely on me or our daughter to do it. If she's got a lunch date with some former work cronies, I drive her there and later pick her up. I not only take her to her doctor's appointments, I go in with her when she sees the doctor. This is at her request, BTW.
My wife loves to cook. She doesn't have the energy or physical strength to successfully cook a meal without someone helping her. This is a big loss for her. When our daughter or I help her fix a meal, we gladly play the roll of sous chef. It helps her feel like the kitchen is still her domain.
She likes to feel like she has a hand in our finances. She will go on Quicken to update our bank accounts. She doesn't know, but I frequently go behind her and fix all the little things she doesn't get right. Funny story: she downloaded some ongoing monthly deposits which come in on the 1st of the month and which I had already entered. Because the amounts had changed slightly, Quicken didn't recognize them. So for a few hours it looked like we had an extra $4,500. to spend this month. It was nice seeing that false account balance even if I did know it had to be a mistake.
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I can't phantom how one can have TWO kids with a female when one is attracted to males. I mean - I could not get a hard to fuck another male no matter what.
One thing for sure (after reading all this story) - one and only way I would like to get to an old age is if I'd have the genome like my grandgrandmother had. She never ever felt any serious pain, any serious illness, was completely healthy (even had long hair at fukkin 90+, no lies) and her mind was working well right upon her sudden death when her spleen gave up and she died in like 20seconds. Other than that - thanks, but I'd like to go while young enough (or - healthy and strong enough) not to witness my own slow, gradual demise.
Hes bisexual. He enjoys women and glory holes. :-X
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These are the exact things that will return to haunt you when she is gone. Sort through these issues now, my friend. It will be the most important thing you ever do. Seriously, it may end up killing you with regret if you don't.
^ X2
Are you the only caregiver or do you have some "scheduled time" off?
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I can't phantom how one can have TWO kids with a female when one is attracted to males. I mean - I could not get a hard to fuck another male no matter what.
One thing for sure (after reading all this story) - one and only way I would like to get to an old age is if I'd have the genome like my grandgrandmother had. She never ever felt any serious pain, any serious illness, was completely healthy (even had long hair at fukkin 90+, no lies) and her mind was working well right upon her sudden death when her spleen gave up and she died in like 20seconds. Other than that - thanks, but I'd like to go while young enough (or - healthy and strong enough) not to witness my own slow, gradual demise.
Dude, phantom it already. He obviously doesn't have your grandmother's genome, but he found a way to make babies anyway. Why not just wish him luck?
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Hes bisexual. He enjoys women and glory holes. :-X
I should slap myself. I'd decided not to further respond to comments about my sexuality. I just don't get why anyone would be that interested in the sex history of an old man who has almost zero sex life at this time.
I am taking your comment as being purely humorous. Aside from the fact that the term "enjoys" suggest this is a current issue, what you wrote is very funny.
How about you all start thinking of me as being nonsexual since I am getting no sex of any kind these days. Well, that's a bit of a lie. I do a little frapping every so often in the privacy of our master bathroom. ;D
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I should slap myself. I'd decided not to further respond to comments about my sexuality. I just don't get why anyone would be that interested in the sex history of an old man who has almost zero sex life at this time.
I am taking your comment as being purely humorous. Aside from the fact that the term "enjoys" suggest this is a current issue, what you wrote is very funny.
How about you all start thinking of me as being nonsexual since I am getting no sex of any kind these days. Well, that's a bit of a lie. I do a little frapping every so often in the privacy of our master bathroom. ;D
I was merely stating what you stated. I don't care if youre straight, bisexual or gay. I support all LGBT rights.
Its just getbig.
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I should slap myself. I'd decided not to further respond to comments about my sexuality. I just don't get why anyone would be that interested in the sex history of an old man who has almost zero sex life at this time.
I am taking your comment as being purely humorous. Aside from the fact that the term "enjoys" suggest this is a current issue, what you wrote is very funny.
How about you all start thinking of me as being nonsexual since I am getting no sex of any kind these days. Well, that's a bit of a lie. I do a little frapping every so often in the privacy of our master bathroom. ;D
I so didn't want to read this. Please tell me it has something to do with making desserty-tasting coffee.
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Prime ever ask your doctor about an insulin pump? A 20 something kid down the block has one. Some kind of electronic device that automatically pumps the correct amount of insulin into the body. It's a small device that goes into the body and you can barely see it. That's all I know about it.
I do know when blood sugar is messed up the a person can act like they're drunk. Obnoxious and out of it. Maybe her mood would be more stable if her sugar is stabilized automatically instead of relying on her to monitor is because she is not thinking coherently due to kidneys and blood sugar problems.
Insulin injections are something new. She'd been on oral meds to control blood sugar levels. The problem is that with her kidneys not working, those meds take longer to get out of her system. This is why she ended up in emergency with low blood sugar. It took several days in the hospital to get it back up to a normal level.
An insulin pump might be the answer in a little while. For now, she's having enough trouble adjusting to giving herself a shot when her blood sugar goes over 200.
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Are you the only caregiver or do you have some "scheduled time" off?
Nothing scheduled yet. I am not her only caregiver. Our daughter and son-in-law live with us. They step up whenever I can't do something schedule wise and they are a great help around the house too. Clearly, we are lucky to have caring family. Several of our friends have also offered relief. We have not taken them up on this yet though. It seems like an awkward thing to ask someone to do. My wife's sister lives about 100 miles from us. We have nieces close by. It is not like we are without help if we need it. Asking for it is just hard to do.
Once the dialysis schedule is down pat, I plan to schedule those 5 hour blocks of time she's in dialysis as time for me. I miss having lunch with my buds and hitting the gym on a regular basis.
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Dude, phantom it already. He obviously doesn't have your grandmother's genome, but he found a way to make babies anyway. Why not just wish him luck?
This is surreal and very funny. ;D
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This is surreal and very funny. ;D
Sometimes you just work with what's given, Prime.
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I was merely stating what you stated. I don't care if youre straight, bisexual or gay. I support all LGBT rights.
Its just getbig.
Hey. We're all having fun, right? I really liked the term nonsexual although it has a bit of a pathetic ring to it, don't your think?
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I am in a great mood tonight! I have all of you to thank for this. When the chips were down, you all came through for me. I won't forget you when I win Powerball. ;D
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ok fun is fun but at this time I think it would be appropriate for you to bust out that infamous pic of you in that yellow thong oldtimer okay! >:(
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Hey. We're all having fun, right? I really liked the term nonsexual although it has a bit of a pathetic ring to it, don't your think?
I'm with you on the nonsexual deal, Prime. Don't like the pee pees and chicks are an incredible pain in the ass. Please don't tell my girlfriend.
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Dude, phantom it already. He obviously doesn't have your grandmother's genome, but he found a way to make babies anyway. Why not just wish him luck?
I wish him luck, that was not a negative comment, I'm not even a homophone. I'm just naturally surprised by stuff like this. It must be tough, to want a pussy and a cock at the same time (even tho' I can't imagine how is that possible). That explains why he was telling about so many years with his wife, etc... something was not right, I fukkin knew it lol.. But it's all good.
Prime>If your wife passes out - find another bi/gay or whatever and have a blast. -
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it must be hard for her to feel like you want to get rid of the dead weight she now is for you. Maybe she thinks you want to fuck men and women while she s dying, and is wondering where the fuck she went wrong.
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it must be hard for her to feel like you want to get rid of the dead weight she now is for you. Maybe she thinks you want to fuck men and women while she s dying, and is wondering where the fuck she went wrong.
shut up.
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PRIME, I hope that the GetBiggers who are reading this topic get some sort of an education.
There is a lot of good information here and although I don't have any statistics .... I would estimate that 50% or more of these GetBiggers will be going through a similar problem sometime during their lifetime.
As I mentioned earlier. I was a sole caregiver for a good number of years and was 'forced' to seek outside help when family members were having troubles of their own and were unable to be of too much help.
I was encouraged to seek some form of state or federal help but there was absolutely no help at that time unless you were a refugee from a foreign country who somehow managed to sneak into the borders of the good old USA. If such was the case ... you got financial assistance.
I'm not positive how it works today, but back then (just a few years ago) it was a living hell for the dieting as well as for the caregiver.
I hope that situation has changed over the past few years.
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PRIME, I hope that the GetBiggers who are reading this topic get some sort of an education.
There is a lot of good information here and although I don't have any statistics .... I would estimate that 50% or more of these GetBiggers will be going through a similar problem sometime during their lifetime.
As I mentioned earlier. I was a sole caregiver for a good number of years and was 'forced' to seek outside help when family members were having troubles of their own and were unable to be of too much help.
I was encouraged to seek some form of state or federal help but there was absolutely no help at that time unless you were a refugee from a foreign country who somehow managed to sneak into the borders of the good old USA. If such was the case ... you got financial assistance.
I'm not positive how it works today, but back then (just a few years ago) it was a living hell for the dieting as well as for the caregiver.
I hope that situation has changed over the past few years.
Fucking despicable.
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PRIME, I hope that the GetBiggers who are reading this topic get some sort of an education.
There is a lot of good information here and although I don't have any statistics .... I would estimate that 50% or more of these GetBiggers will be going through a similar problem sometime during their lifetime.
As I mentioned earlier. I was a sole caregiver for a good number of years and was 'forced' to seek outside help when family members were having troubles of their own and were unable to be of too much help.
I was encouraged to seek some form of state or federal help but there was absolutely no help at that time unless you were a refugee from a foreign country who somehow managed to sneak into the borders of the good old USA. If such was the case ... you got financial assistance.
I'm not positive how it works today, but back then (just a few years ago) it was a living hell for the dieting as well as for the caregiver.
I hope that situation has changed over the past few years.
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POLY, Dispicable....YES!!!
But TRUE!
At least it was true back then (1990's).
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Prime, I can relate to what you are going through. Over the last 20 years I have gone through my father in law dying from stomach cancer. He never made it to our wedding. My mother in law going into a clinical depression, after we came back from our honeymoon, and basically have taken care of her including having to move in with her, with our two daughters. She is now starting to show signs of Dementia. My mother passed away from Alzheimer's after 7 years. Thank god my father and brother were around to be the main caregivers. My father passed away 8 years ago,just missed his 90th birthday by 2 weeks. My brother who was Bipolar and had addiction problems was killed, hit by a car 3 yrs ago, while living in my condo 1 block away while crossing the street. You my friend are not alone.
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In almost every relationship, one person is more dominant that the other. In our relationship, that would be me. Every so often, my wife like to assert herself. This was one of those times. Also, she's been so sick for so long, she feels like she doesn't have much control over her own life. Credit to her that she still is willing to put up a fight.
She has almost no independence. She no longer drives because she started having some minor accidents which suggested she was blacking out. She's smart and caring enough to not want to put others at risk. Most everything she does, she has to rely on me or our daughter to do it. If she's got a lunch date with some former work cronies, I drive her there and later pick her up. I not only take her to her doctor's appointments, I go in with her when she sees the doctor. This is at her request, BTW.
My wife loves to cook. She doesn't have the energy or physical strength to successfully cook a meal without someone helping her. This is a big loss for her. When our daughter or I help her fix a meal, we gladly play the roll of sous chef. It helps her feel like the kitchen is still her domain.
She likes to feel like she has a hand in our finances. She will go on Quicken to update our bank accounts. She doesn't know, but I frequently go behind her and fix all the little things she doesn't get right. Funny story: she downloaded some ongoing monthly deposits which come in on the 1st of the month and which I had already entered. Because the amounts had changed slightly, Quicken didn't recognize them. So for a few hours it looked like we had an extra $4,500. to spend this month. It was nice seeing that false account balance even if I did know it had to be a mistake.
After 50+ years as the dominant mate, how do you suppose she might rely on, and expect you to act when something extremely important is at stake?
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I wish him luck, that was not a negative comment, I'm not even a homophone. I'm just naturally surprised by stuff like this. It must be tough, to want a pussy and a cock at the same time (even tho' I can't imagine how is that possible). That explains why he was telling about so many years with his wife, etc... something was not right, I fukkin knew it lol.. But it's all good.
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If my wife passes out? Do you mean when she dies?
I have no idea what I will do should that happen. I tell folks I plan to travel more since it has been next to impossible these last several years. As for partnering up again. I'll probably pass on that. No one can fill the gap her not being here would leave.
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it must be hard for her to feel like you want to get rid of the dead weight she now is for you. Maybe she thinks you want to fuck men and women while she s dying, and is wondering where the fuck she went wrong.
If that were true, it would be awful for her. No one wants to get rid of her, least of all me. We have been together for over 50 years. We were barely adults when we met. I cannot fathom life without her.
Sex is not an issue for either of us. She's not been healthy enough for sex for many years. If I wanted to play around, she's given me her blessing. I am not interested in complicating our lives anymore then they already are.
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I so didn't want to read this. Please tell me it has something to do with making desserty-tasting coffee.
You got it! I make chai tea frappuccinos. ;D
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Prime, I can relate to what you are going through. Over the last 20 years I have gone through my father in law dying from stomach cancer. He never made it to our wedding. My mother in law going into a clinical depression, after we came back from our honeymoon, and basically have taken care of her including having to move in with her, with our two daughters. She is now starting to show signs of Dementia. My mother passed away from Alzheimer's after 7 years. Thank god my father and brother were around to be the main caregivers. My father passed away 8 years ago,just missed his 90th birthday by 2 weeks. My brother who was Bipolar and had addiction problems was killed, hit by a car 3 yrs ago, while living in my condo 1 block away while crossing the street. You my friend are not alone.
I know I am not alone. I wish for the sake of others I was alone in this.
It is inevitable that as we age, we experience more illness and death. I've lost my mom, dad, step-dad, sister, beloved aunts, uncles and grandparents plus a lot of friends in my lifetime. My mom lived with us for three years when she was dying from emphysema. That was no picnic. She was not an easy person to have around, but she was my mom and I loved her.
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After 50+ years as the dominant mate, how do you suppose she might rely on, and expect you to act when something extremely important is at stake?
When it is a major decision, she most often defers to me. As her life partner, she has every right to expect that I will take care of her. She would do the same for me if the situation were reversed. I have no intention of abandoning her. She knows this.
I hope people haven't misread what I posted in momentary frustration. I never meant to imply I wouldn't continue to care for my wife.
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When it is a major decision, she most often defers to me. As her life partner, she has every right to expect that I will take care of her. She would do the same for me if the situation were reversed. I have no intention of abandoning her. She knows this.
I hope people haven't misread what I posted in momentary frustration. I never meant to imply I wouldn't continue to care for my wife.
C'mon bro you were just having a tough night.
We all know you're going through an extremely difficult time and were just looking to vent.
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I wish him luck, that was not a negative comment, I'm not even a homophone. I'm just naturally surprised by stuff like this. It must be tough, to want a pussy and a cock at the same time (even tho' I can't imagine how is that possible). That explains why he was telling about so many years with his wife, etc... something was not right, I fukkin knew it lol.. But it's all good.
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Misunderstanding, sorry. I wasn't accusing you of being a homophone. Not at all. But why bring up his wife passing out and stuff? Nobody wants to dwell on sudden lapses of consciousnesses; too painful, bro.
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When it is a major decision, she most often defers to me. As her life partner, she has every right to expect that I will take care of her. She would do the same for me if the situation were reversed. I have no intention of abandoning her. She knows this.
I hope people haven't misread what I posted in momentary frustration. I never meant to imply I wouldn't continue to care for my wife.
When it comes to the most important things in your life together, do you think she relies on you to be there trying to see everything goes right...or do you think she expects you to only involve yourself after the fact?
Because if you only involve yourself after the fact, it might be seen as something that's less than the greatest importance, right?
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btw prime...no one thinks that you're about to abandon caring for your wife...really dont think anyone would believe that about you
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it must be hard for her to feel like you want to get rid of the dead weight she now is for you. Maybe she thinks you want to fuck men and women while she s dying, and is wondering where the fuck she went wrong.
Noone cares. Sometimes you write good, sometimes it's pure bullshit. This is one of the later ones.
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If that were true, it would be awful for her. No one wants to get rid of her, least of all me. We have been together for over 50 years. We were barely adults when we met. I cannot fathom life without her.
Sex is not an issue for either of us. She's not been healthy enough for sex for many years. If I wanted to play around, she's given me her blessing. I am not interested in complicating our lives anymore then they already are.
You are a very decent man.
God's speed to find peace and strength during this ordeal.
I wish you the best
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If my wife passes out? Do you mean when she dies?
I have no idea what I will do should that happen. I tell folks I plan to travel more since it has been next to impossible these last several years. As for partnering up again. I'll probably pass on that. No one can fill the gap her not being here would leave.
Take everything you can if the chance will arrive. You have one shot, one opprtunity (Eminem), take life by it's fukkin balls, no regrets, no nothing, just do it and feel ALIVE while you still can.
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I'll pass The GAS
fixed
;) That's the spirit!
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What's with the saggy tits? At least find a body that looks fit to photoshop my head onto.
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Take everything you can if the chance will arrive. You have one shot, one opprtunity (Eminem), take life by it's fukkin balls, no regrets, no nothing, just do it and feel ALIVE while you still can.
Well said, Captain.
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When it comes to the most important things in your life together, do you think she relies on you to be there trying to see everything goes right...or do you think she expects you to only involve yourself after the fact?
Because if you only involve yourself after the fact, it might be seen as something that's less than the greatest importance, right?
I am not sure what you are getting at. We've made any important decisions together. 99% of the time we are in agreement. When I came to big financial decisions, such as buying houses or relocating we agreed, but she'd made it clear it was ultimately my decision. We are both pretty traditional people. She sees the man as the head of the house and the woman as someone who supports and maintains the home front. This doesn't mean I go off and make decisions without her input nor does she do that without mine. There was one exception that I can think of when she made a decision and informed me after the fact. That was when she decided to retire. She just came home one day from work and told me she'd filed paperwork for retirement. It took me by surprise, to say the least.
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Take everything you can if the chance will arrive. You have one shot, one opprtunity (Eminem), take life by it's fukkin balls, no regrets, no nothing, just do it and feel ALIVE while you still can.
Would those be the metal balls FitnessFrenzy has me holding in that photoshop? ;D
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I am not sure what you are getting at. We've made any important decisions together. 99% of the time we are in agreement. When I came to big financial decisions, such as buying houses or relocating we agreed, but she'd made it clear it was ultimately my decision. We are both pretty traditional people. She sees the man as the head of the house and the woman as someone who supports and maintains the home front. This doesn't mean I go off and make decisions without her input nor does she do that without mine. There was one exception that I can think of when she made a decision and informed me after the fact. That was when she decided to retire. She just came home one day from work and told me she'd filed paperwork for retirement. It took me by surprise, to say the least.
the daily things that are done to follow doctor's orders..the things that are done for her well-being.
Nothing else is more important to you, is it?
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Would those be the metal balls Fitness Frenzy has me holding in that photoshop? ;D
Grab balls of a real man, I know you'd like that :D and don't feel ashamed at all. Life is what it is, no need to live by anyones rules except yours. Actually - these who can live by their own rules and these who can not - submit to others.. Nothing better that a person who goes through some serious shit and finally gets a courage to go full throttle/carpe diem, it tastes ten times better for such a person, more colors, more flavors.
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Is she mostly comfortable or in constant pain, Prime?
She has some pain, but it isn't from kidney failure. She has osteoarthritis and severe sciatica which cause her constant discomfort. Sometimes, she gets leg cramps which is related to kidney failure. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and she's sleeping sitting up in a chair in our bedroom. Sometimes it is because she stopped there to rest on the way back to bed and sometimes it's because of the cramping.
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She has some pain, but it isn't from kidney failure. She has osteoarthritis and severe sciatica which cause her constant discomfort. Sometimes, she gets leg cramps which is related to kidney failure. I'll wake up in the middle of the night and she's sleeping sitting up in a chair in our bedroom. Sometimes it is because she stopped there to rest on the way back to bed and sometimes it's because of the cramping.
Ok.
Seems the gym might be a great way for you to channel stress every day. You know how therapeutic it can be.
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Grab balls of a real man, I know you'd like that :D and don't feel ashamed at all. Life is what it is, no need to live by anyones rules except yours. Actually - these who can live by their own rules and these who can not - submit to others.. Nothing better that a person who goes through some serious shit and finally gets a courage to go full throttle/carpe diem, it tastes ten times better for such a person, more colors, more flavors.
Somehow I've failed to make the point that what you suggest is not something that's on my mind at all. I get it though, you are probably young enough that you still think about sex a lot. I could care less about sex. I agree that it is best to live life to the fullest....doing this takes on many forms.
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Ok.
Seems the gym might be a great way for you to channel stress every day. You know how therapeutic it can be.
You got it. I just need to get off my fucking lazy ass and drag it to the gym for some stress relief. Starting Monday, I plan on doing this.
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Somehow I've failed to make the point that what you suggest is not something that's on my mind at all. I get it though, you are probably young enough that you still think about sex a lot. I could care less about sex. I agree that it is best to live life to the fullest....doing this takes on many forms.
Just kidding, but you got the point, that is enough. Good luck.
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Prime what has she said about this part
The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.
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Prime what has she said about this part
Well, it has only been a little more than a day since we blew up over this very issue. Tonight she volunteered what her blood sugar was an how she handled it. This is real progress for both of us. She is willing to take some responsibility for her well being and I have backed off on being so controlling.
We had some really meaningful discussions about where each of us are tonight. She's worried about my being depressed and I am worried about the same for her. I have a lot of issues which aren't helping our situation any. I think we had a really good conversation tonight. I wish I could say that we've got it all figured out, but that would be a lie. Bottom line is that we will continue to take life one day at a time because there really is no other choice.
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must be hard to progressively lose control and pleasure in most activities and what life has to offer; no more taste, no more sex, no more physical activity, no more tv, no more reading, no more eating until you simply cant enjoy anything anymore and are even rejected by your so called loved ones.
We earn everything progressively only to progressively lose it all. Some lose them faster than others tho.
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Well, it has only been a little more than a day since we blew up over this very issue. Tonight she volunteered what her blood sugar was an how she handled it. This is real progress for both of us. She is willing to take some responsibility for her well being and I have backed off on being so controlling.
We had some really meaningful discussions about where each of us are tonight. She's worried about my being depressed and I am worried about the same for her. I have a lot of issues which aren't helping our situation any. I think we had a really good conversation tonight. I wish I could say that we've got it all figured out, but that would be a lie. Bottom line is that we will continue to take life one day at a time because there really is no other choice.
in what way had you been exercising control in the situation?
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If people werent paid to "take care" of others, they simply wouldnt.
people have to make a living somehow, how would the workers "survive" if they didn't do it for money?
most of them don't get paid much anyways, i've heard of social workers making less than 20 grand a year
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in what way had you been exercising control in the situation?
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Sometimes we are controlling because we know we are the ones in control. It is hard to explain.
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Sometimes we are controlling because we know we are the ones in control. It is hard to explain.
If there are issues over whether certain steps have been taken per the doctor's instructions, wouldn't that show that you didn't have control over the situation?
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If there are issues over whether certain steps have been taken per the doctor's instructions, wouldn't that show that you didn't have control over the situation?
If my wife wants to be in control of her own life, I am going to let her do that. If she doesn't follow doctor's advice, that is her choice. She's not senile. If she wants or needs my help, she can ask for it.
She is on dialysis on a treatment by treatment basis. She can decide she wants to stop at any point and we will honor her wishes even though it likely means she will die within weeks. She didn't want to do dialysis at all but finally agreed to give it a try.
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If my wife wants to be in control of her own life, I am going to let her do that. If she doesn't follow doctor's advice, that is her choice. She's not senile. If she wants or needs my help, she can ask for it.
She is on dialysis on a treatment by treatment basis. She can decide she wants to stop at any point and we will honor her wishes even though it likely means she will die within weeks. She didn't want to do dialysis at all but finally agreed to give it a try.
Why would she make that choice?
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Why would she make that choice?
It is a common occurrence with people how have long term illness
& medication.
I have a similar problem with my youngest son,
consultant says its psychosomatic symptom with him.
Very tough to deal with day in day out.
Especially as it could be life threatening.
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Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living
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Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living
this is good advice
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this is good advice
it actually is to be fair 28k posts
he was due a good one
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Why would she make that choice?
She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection. "love" ? ... well it always become exposed for what it is at some point in any relationship. An illusion at best, a joke at worst.
In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. They let themselves die. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.
This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.
This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.
The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.
I remember this old woman who had a dying very old dog. Dog wasnt able to do shit anymore but curl and sleep at her feets, didnt want to eat anymore. She forced it to eat, went to a veterinary. She pretended to love the poor animal, but she was just forcing it to stay alive while it was suffering 24/7. She didnt do it for the dog, but for herself, cause she didnt want to be alone. Eventually dog got euthanazed, and she bought a new dog.
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She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection.
In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.
This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.
This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.
The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.
You really need to stop posting this stuff.
I know you're just playing a game (previously posting as some form of "Christian" [who I was skeptical of then] to now posting as some form of a nihilist).
I also know that most on here don't give two handfuls of dog crap what you're posting either, but you should stop.....switch gears to a hippie or something like that.
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You really need to stop posting this stuff.
I know you're just playing a game (previously posting as some form of "Christian" [who I was skeptical of then] to now posting as some form of a nihilist).
I also know that most on here don't give two handfuls of dog crap what you're posting either, but you should stop.....switch gears to a hippie or something like that.
You obviously read and give a crap about it as you came to the conclusion you dont want me to expose the truth any further because it hurts you. I'm not playing any game, I'm just explaining what I see,experienced, like many others, and the number of people who will come to that conclusion about the true nature of life will increase as time goes, it's a normal, natural process that accompanies the decline of a civilization.
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She probably wants to die, but is prevented to do so by people who keep her alive against her will. Probably talked about it to prime. But prime is duplicit about it, he obviously simultaenously wants her to die as she s only a pain in the ass for him, but cant say it either, which creates this highly toxic, unhealthy situation. Fact is, life is brutally cold, for one lifeform to survive, it often has to abandon another one. Natural selection. "love" ? ... well it always become exposed for what it is at some point in any relationship. An illusion at best, a joke at worst.
In the end she deteriorates both physically and psychologically and is just a number for doctors. Nobody really cares about her but those who have to stay with her until she finally die. Everyone else is too busy focusing on surviving daily to care about someone who s already in her final days. At this stage most people give up because they realize nobody really care about them as they dont have anything anymore to produce, bring to others. They let themselves die. People only care about you if they have interests in doing so, if you give them something in return. Being old, not working, slowly abandonned by your loved ones, having some money, not being able to provide sex or anything in return, you re pretty much useless and as a result drugged until you pass away.
This is why euthanasia will become an increasingly important matter in the next decade, especially in the dying west, white occidental world. The problem with euthanasia, is that doctors and big pharma make more money keeping people alive against their will in various institutions, force feeding them with drugs -which kill them, but slowly- so they ll pretty much fight against it.
This is why suicide exists; when you know there s only pain and suffering waiting for you, but everyone wants to keep you alive -while wishing you could just go so they can inherit your shit or simply release themselves from your suffering- because they have -financial- interests in doing so.
The real mechanics of "life" are really twisted, far from the bullshits stories adults feed their kids with. Growing up is just realizing how cynical and vain animals we "humans" truly are.
I remember this old woman who had a dying very old dog. Dog wasnt able to do shit anymore but curl and sleep at her feets, didnt want to eat anymore. She forced it to eat, went to a veterinary. She pretended to love the poor animal, but she was just forcing it to stay alive while it was suffering 24/7. She didnt do it for the dog, but for herself, cause she didnt want to be alone. Eventually dog got euthanazed, and she bought a new dog.
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You obviously read and give a crap about it as you came to the conclusion you dont want me to expose the truth any further because it hurts you. I'm not playing any game, I'm just explaining what I see,experienced, like many others, and the number of people who will come to that conclusion about the true nature of life will increase as time goes, it's a normal, natural process that accompanies the decline of a civilization.
::) ;D just stop already
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It is a common occurrence with people how have long term illness
& medication.
I have a similar problem with my youngest son,
consultant says its psychosomatic symptom with him.
Very tough to deal with day in day out.
Especially as it could be life threatening.
You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".
Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.
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You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".
Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.
And you know my son & have had a conversation with him..??
My lad does not want to die & neither do I,
As for needing a senior consultant md yes he does & the meds
That are given to him & taken most of the time by him make a huge difference
To his quality of life. Clearly they work well for him.
My lad is a bright intelligent young man whom we hope & wish has a
Very Bright Future. Why would he not.
Life my be all Doom & Gloom for you & your outlook.
We don't all share that same outlook.
There are still some very Good things in Life To Live For.
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Why would she make that choice?
This is actually a discussion about quality of life. My wife has kidney failure, congestive heart failure, type II diabetes, severe anemia, osteoarthritis, a non functioning thyroid and probably some other things, I'm not remembering. She takes a bunch of medications several times a day, uses oxygen 24/7 and needs a walker to get around. For her, getting though each day is a huge chore. Although my wife agreed to give dialysis a try, she did this for me and our children then for herself. Initially, she declined to do dialysis when it became an ongoing thing, which it is at this point.
Personally, I think she is a brave woman to put up as much of a fight to continue life as she is currently doing. I don't know that I would be that brave. This is why these choices are hers. She's not a child. I am not her parent.
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Its a sad world when we choose not to keep learning
Learning=life improvement =more creative life paths
Start making more pathways prime
More things to do=more reasons for living
Right now, I am limited to baby steps with regards to taking on new things. Your advice is excellent though.
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In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.
And the same awaits all of us.
Life.
Isnt it beautiful?
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You really need "consultants" to realize he wants to die because he knows nothing good awaits him in the future ?
Most medications dont cure shit, they only slow it and often worsen it by developing side effects that are often worse than the initial "problem".
Also "caregivers" often medicate "loved ones" they secretly hate to kill them slowly, hoping it will dumb them down enough so they cant expose the bad stuff they did to them.
Have you been watching Dateline a lot lately? While there have been cases of caregivers over medicating those in their care, it is surely not a common occurrence. I can assure you that my wife's caregivers, this being mainly my daughter and I, do not secretly hate her and wish her dead. We are doing everything we can to keep her alive as longs as that's what she wants.
You are right about many medications having negative side effects. Often when you take a medication it is a trade off. The medications and treatments my wife is on will not cure her. There is no cure currently available to her. They do extend her life and make her feel better.
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In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.
And the same awaits all of us.
Life.
Isnt it beautiful?
According to her nephrologist, dying from kidney failure is not the worst way to go. It is also likely she, could die from congestive heart failure. If that ends up being the case, she and I both hope she dies during the night, which is not uncommon with congestive heart failure.
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Cant she simply fill papers to be euthanasied at her own demand?
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In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.
And the same awaits all of us.
Life.
Isnt it beautiful?
Boy, you sound like you have a shitty life.
Yes everything and everyone will end. It can't be helped. Change the fucking record.
Oh, and... animals.
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Boy, you sound like you have a shitty life.
Yes everything and everyone will end. It can't be helped. Change the fucking record.
Oh, and... animals.
animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.
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animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.
Animals that I hope break into your house and buttfuck you into such a state of shame you can't even bring yourself to keep posting the same shit.
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most animals instinctively abandon weaker animals to their death if they re risking their own survival in helping them. We all abandon weaker ones at some point, no matter how hard we pretend to "love" them. Because our instinct of survival, the survival of our own body, our deep inner desire to still dominate, have fun, have pleasure, is the only thing that matters. At this point we see ourselves and others for what they truly are; machines, animals, and everything else we say, think, is just fairytales. We re constantly lying to ourselves and others about our intentions.
We only stay with others because of mutual shared interests, and if these interests vanish, we throw each others into the trash bin without a second thought just like we trash material objects which are of no use anymore with relief. The biggest "love" becomes the biggest hate, two sides of the same coin.
This is our true nature. We all abandon others, and we all get abandonned by them.
Rest is fairytales. The concept of "love" is a joke. Behind "love", there are interests, and survival.
All religions and philosophies came to the conclusion the point of life for a human being was to be happy. Science proves more and more that what underlies hapiness, the feeling of hapiness, of pleasure, is to actually be able to dominate other lifeforms.
Only the strong enjoy life, while his, her position of domination lasts. The weak "hope" he or his offsprings will dominate. If for some reason he realizes he or his offsprings wont be able to dominate, life gradually loses its taste.
Basically the strong always need to see the weak suffer, in order to feel better, to feel good. And we only help others who are important to our survival, who we identify with, while ignoring those who are of no use in our own survival.
Life is brutal from the very beginning to the very end no matter how hard you try to sugarcoat it. There is somehow, some perversity in lying to your kids, in giving birth to them, in spawning them into this hell known as "life". Humans are definitly sadistic, hypocritical duplicit animals who spend most of their lives enjoying other people demise and suffering.
Prime, you spent a lot of time pretending to be happier than you actually were, and now you re exposing what most of us were able to see; your life was as much pointless and painful than anyone else's existence.
Most people spend their lives pretending to be happier than they are. We all end miserable wondering what kind of sad joke life is, and how hard we ve been owned originally by those who gave birth to us.
You can try to focus on "new stuff", think about something else than the cold hard reality, in the end it always win, we all slowly, gradually realize the true nature of existence, our true animal nature, and how vain the whole process of life is at its core. Even those who successfully by different methods, spend their lives willingly ignoring death, absurdity, randomness, die because their organs fail at some point. For others, the body still work, but the mind have seen it all too soon.
And there is no coming back , no possibility to become an ignorant, innocent child again, it's a one way travel.
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animals, who fight for survival, for access to limited resources that at one point anyway, will disapear for all.
Because resources.
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I see this all the time here in SFL. Not just because I work in the health care industry either. In almost every case, both of the people involved are dying. The caretaker is just dying a little bit slower than the other. That is what it does. It takes from you. It takes bits and pieces from you until you feel like a slave trapped in a situation that when all emotions are considered is like some kind of personal hell. It does take it's toll on you.
While you may not can do much about her dying, you can put some effort into you living. Take a little time for yourself. Not just here on GB either. Can you go to a movie for a couple of hours? Walk the mall? Play video games or put up a basket ball goal in the back yard and shoot some hoops when you are feeling the pressure. Is it possible to hire a nurse aide for half a day and give yourself some time to go on a day trip somewhere? Will your children take over the duties for one weekend to let you get away?
It sucks and sometimes you just want to give up and quit. But you know what really sucks? The way you feel for the rest of your life when it ends if you do give up. You have to be strong for her and YOU. But you also have to let her decide a few things along the way. (Assuming she is in the right frame of mind). It's her life and in some cases when things are really bad and there is no bright future or hope to look forward to, those people can get very depressed and frustrated and lash out at the ones closet to them.
Sorry you are going through this.
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In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.
And the same awaits all of us.
Life.
Isnt it beautiful?
Or... you die like my grand grandmother, at 92, fully capable, in a great health (up to her last minutes), suddenly, in seconds, without pain.
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All this human condition nonsense will dissapear relatively soon (for the rich, obviously). They will die from: accidents, infection, injury, etc... but not from gradual physical degeneration, just like other species who doesn't age (some aligators, some fish, some turtles, some birds.. They die from anything except getting old, because they simply... doesn't show any signs of aging. Evolution was very kind for them. A perfectly adapted species, who at some point did not have any external dangers, predators, etc.. so natural selection was working on their mollecular mechanisms that keep organism in a youth phenotype, a perpetual state of perfectly working reproduction system).
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Advice for the younger getbiggers:
1. Save now as much as you can and invest in very low cost index funds in a 401K, Traditional IRA or Roth IRA.
2. Look into Long Term Care insurance. It's not for everybody, but if it's for you it could be a life saver if/when you need it.
3. If you can, buy or build a home for "aging in place" with only one level, no stairs, on flat property, with door handles instead of door knobs, wide hallways, wide door frames, etc.
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Cant she simply fill papers to be euthanasied at her own demand?
Not sure where you live, but in Oregon assisted suicide is legal. This doesn't mean someone can just arbitrarily fill out paperwork asking to be euthanized. Assisted suicide is reserved for folks whose death is eminent. Folks who have similar health issues to my wife's has can live a long time.
Just saw her doctor today. The hope is she will continue to feel better over the next several weeks as the positive affects of dialysis kick in.
If at some point she decides she no longer wishes to do dialysis, she can do this. No paperwork is necessary. For various reasons, people do sometimes chose to discontinue dialysis.
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Or... you die like my grand grandmother, at 92, fully capable, in a great health (up to her last minutes), suddenly, in seconds, without pain.
did you see her die? often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.
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All this human condition nonsense will dissapear relatively soon (for the rich, obviously). They will die from: accidents, infection, injury, etc... but not from gradual physical degeneration, just like other species who doesn't age (some aligators, some fish, some turtles, some birds.. They die from anything except getting old, because they simply... doesn't show any signs of aging. Evolution was very kind for them. A perfectly adapted species, who at some point did not have any external dangers, predators, etc.. so natural selection was working on their mollecular mechanisms that keep organism in a youth phenotype, a perpetual state of perfectly working reproduction system).
keep telling yourself that... fact is you ll probably die in pain just like everyone else, sorry to break it to you.
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Advice for the younger getbiggers:
1. Save now as much as you can and invest in very low cost index funds in a 401K, Traditional IRA or Roth IRA.
2. Look into Long Term Care insurance. It's not for everybody, but if it's for you it could be a life saver if/when you need it.
3. If you can, buy or build a home for "aging in place" with only one level, no stairs, on flat property, with door handles instead of door knobs, wide hallways, wide door frames, etc.
This is great advice.
My wife and I are fortunate in that we invested/saved for our retirement years. As a result we have a modest but substantial income which should continue to meet our financial needs for decades, should we live that long.
We did not invest in long term care insurance. We invested in our family who are committed to helping us as we age....much as I am helping my wife. The option of living in a nursing home is not something either of us wants nor do our children want this for us.
Our home allows for aging in place. We have almost 2,000 sq. ft on the main level with three bedrooms and two baths. We have levers instead of knobs on the doors. Only one hallway lacks enough width should we become wheelchair bound. Minor remodeling would fix this is the need were ever there. There is one step up to each of two doors and no steps out to the patio. We have an additional 1,000 sq. ft. upstairs with a second master bedroom, bath and exceptionally large second living room. This home accommodates multiple generations with ease.
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did you see her die? often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.
Any pain one feels when they are dying is quickly overcome once they die. Many women go through a lot of pain during childbirth. Most survive it. Not only that, they often forget how bad it was. Ever passed a kidney stone? I've heard that it is the worst for men. My with passed kidney stones a few times when she was in her 30's. She says the pain was pretty bad. I once dropped a cast iron tub while trying to move it. The edge of it cut deeply into my right shin. Once the shock of it passed and it started pouring blood, it hurt like a son-of-a-bitch.
Point is, it is not just at the time of dying that we could feel enormous pain. Life's little bumps can be very painful too.
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did you see her die? often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.
That was like 6 years ago or so, I was a fully griwn adult already, no need to lie anything to me, and I was seeing her pretty often. She annoyed the hell out of my grandmother as she lived together with my grandparents (was a mother of my grandfather) and due to her great health she always wanted to "keep things in check" and participate in everything. My father was visiting them at the weekend and in the morning she woke up, came to a kitchen, said "I feel unwell today" and minutes after just dropped dead, her spleen ruptured, blood came out of the mouth, that's it. No pain, no prior health issues, nothing. She was exceptionally calm person btw, I think it contributed to her great health as basically nothing was able to make her overly anxious or nervous (the same is my grandfather, genes..).
Know a few other people who died like that.
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keep telling yourself that... fact is you ll probably die in pain just like everyone else, sorry to break it to you.
You obviously have no idea about the current events in these fields. You'll be in for quite a dissapointment if you won't find a way to earn some good money as therapies who will make it at least a lot easier to face that reality are closer than you think.
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This is actually a discussion about quality of life. My wife has kidney failure, congestive heart failure, type II diabetes, severe anemia, osteoarthritis, a non functioning thyroid and probably some other things, I'm not remembering. She takes a bunch of medications several times a day, uses oxygen 24/7 and needs a walker to get around. For her, getting though each day is a huge chore. Although my wife agreed to give dialysis a try, she did this for me and our children then for herself. Initially, she declined to do dialysis when it became an ongoing thing, which it is at this point.
Personally, I think she is a brave woman to put up as much of a fight to continue life as she is currently doing. I don't know that I would be that brave. This is why these choices are hers. She's not a child. I am not her parent.
Then are you saying these are suicidal gestures?:
The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.
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In the end she will die in uter physical and psychological pain and distress and prime will just go on until it's his turn.
And the same awaits all of us.
Life.
Isnt it beautiful?
What's your goal here? Just making strangers as uncomfortable and unhappy as you possibly can?
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did you see her die? often family members tell the younger ones "he, she, went at peace without pain "in her sleep"... when people actually died shitting their pants crying and shouting while having convulsions. You re pretty naive/ ignorant. Not too surprised, young generations ignore death or think they know what it s about from seeing it on TV, but REAL death is another matter. Just like young uneducated soldiers who watched action movies suddenly face gorish stuff on the battlefield and get shocked while the educated officers stay far away and tell them to move on.
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Cool thing is, knowing you don't have the balls to end your own suffering, you too will be faced with a prolonged, miserable death when the time comes. You've certainly earned it.
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Natural Man, as the arabs once said the world is like a cucumber. One day its in hand, the next its up your butt.
You? You'd pull it out and make a salad.
Sheesh but you are one depressing individual.
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Then are you saying these are suicidal gestures?:
What are suicidal gestures? I am not clear on what you are asking here.
Are you suggesting that by not checking her blood sugar, she is overtly trying to off herself? I don't this very much.
If we all only did what was good for our health, most of us might live longer....or not. Sometimes, especially for people who have to monitor their health on a continuing basis, it just gets old.
Just so you understand, people in stage 5 kidney failure sometimes get confused and forget things. I am not suggesting my wife has dementia, but when toxins build up in her system she probably isn't as sharp as she normally would be. The challenge for me is to understand when reminding her to do stuff won't make her feel like she is becoming senile or that I am ruling her life.
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This is great advice.
My wife and I are fortunate in that we invested/saved for our retirement years. As a result we have a modest but substantial income which should continue to meet our financial needs for decades, should we live that long.
We did not invest in long term care insurance. We invested in our family who are committed to helping us as we age....much as I am helping my wife. The option of living in a nursing home is not something either of us wants nor do our children want this for us.
Our home allows for aging in place. We have almost 2,000 sq. ft on the main level with three bedrooms and two baths. We have levers instead of knobs on the doors. Only one hallway lacks enough width should we become wheelchair bound. Minor remodeling would fix this is the need were ever there. There is one step up to each of two doors and no steps out to the patio. We have an additional 1,000 sq. ft. upstairs with a second master bedroom, bath and exceptionally large second living room. This home accommodates multiple generations with ease.
Good for you! You and your wife are very smart and fortunate indeed.
To clarify, Long Term Care Insurance doesn't only cover nursing home stays. Long-term care insurance generally covers home care, assisted living, adult daycare, respite care, hospice care, nursing home and Alzheimer's facilities. If home care coverage is purchased, long-term care insurance can pay for home care, often from the first day it is needed.
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Natural Man, as the arabs once said the world is like a cucumber. One day its in hand, the next its up your butt.
You? You'd pull it out and make a salad.
Sheesh but you are one depressing individual.
Stop mocking arabs as the joke is in yourself.
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What are suicidal gestures? I am not clear on what you are asking here.
Are you suggesting that by not checking her blood sugar, she is overtly trying to off herself? I don't this very much.
If we all only did what was good for our health, most of us might live longer....or not. Sometimes, especially for people who have to monitor their health on a continuing basis, it just gets old.
Just so you understand, people in stage 5 kidney failure sometimes get confused and forget things. I am not suggesting my wife has dementia, but when toxins build up in her system she probably isn't as sharp as she normally would be. The challenge for me is to understand when reminding her to do stuff won't make her feel like she is becoming senile or that I am ruling her life.
Is there some reason why you can't be with her before the problem arises?
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What's your goal here? Just making strangers as uncomfortable and unhappy as you possibly can?
When you realize that stuff - you don't want to be "alone" who knows it.. Evem suffering is easier when these around you suffer too. And he's right on many points, the thing is... if many people would realize it - they would go insane, literally. it takes a serious strength to know the "behind the scenes" of life and not to become crazy. His goal is exactly that - to not suffer the realization alone. I'm still not sure whether it is better to suffer as a clueless animal or as an enlightened one tho'.
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Is there some reason why you can't be with her before the problem arises?
We are together most of the day, everyday. We are not joined at the hip.
I think you might be missing the point. She has the right to do as she wishes.It is her choice to do what it takes to be as healthy as possible or not to be.
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We are together most of the day, everyday. We are not joined at the hip.
I think you might be missing the point. She has the right to do as she wishes.It is her choice to do what it takes to be as healthy as possible or not to be.
You just said this:
Just so you understand, people in stage 5 kidney failure sometimes get confused and forget things.
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So which is it Prime
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So which is it Prime
Both. Sometimes she is gets confused and sometimes she is fine. Sometimes she just wants some control over her life and often times she needs some help. If this were as simple as the answer you are looking for, there would be no problem. It is balancing her needs with her desires that creates confusion and tension.
In the end, like all of us, she will die. In the meantime, the goal is to support her in whatever way she wants.
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Both. Sometimes she is gets confused and sometimes she is fine. Sometimes she just wants some control over her life and often times she needs some help. If this were as simple as the answer you are looking for, there would be no problem. It is balancing her needs with her desires that creates confusion and tension.
In the end, like all of us, she will die. In the meantime, the goal is to support her in whatever way she wants.
Questions over whether the doctor's orders were followed are what creates confusion and tension, right?
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When you realize that stuff - you don't want to be "alone" who knows it.. Evem suffering is easier when these around you suffer too. And he's right on many points, the thing is... if many people would realize it - they would go insane, literally. it takes a serious strength to know the "behind the scenes" of life and not to become crazy. His goal is exactly that - to not suffer the realization alone. I'm still not sure whether it is better to suffer as a clueless animal or as an enlightened one tho'.
Thanks, I was sorta asking him, though.
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Questions over whether the doctor's orders were followed are what creates confusion and tension, right?
This issue is a little broader than this. Obviously, there is concern over taking her prescribed prescriptions appropriately. Just to be clear, we are not talking about her abusing prescriptions, but remembering to take them as prescribed. This is no small task since some of the dosages change regularly according to lab results. Some meds she was taking no longer are necessary because she gets them as part of dialysis. So in some cases there is less to remember.
She's supposed to check her blood sugar three times a day, always just prior to eating. The fact that she checks her blood sugar less often and somewhat irregularly is not something that just started. She's been diabetic for nearly 40 years. She ignored any symptoms she had for decades. She starting taking having diabetes more seriously when she got diabetic retinopathy and had to have surgery on her eyes. That was what it took for a wake up call.
Tension is caused by balancing being a caregiver and being her partner. As her partner, I respect her desire to remain independent. As her caregiver, I feel an obligation to do everything possible to keep her as healthy as I can. There are times when these two things are at odds. This creates uncertainty and tension for both of us.
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This issue is a little broader than this. Obviously, there is concern over taking her prescribed prescriptions appropriately. Just to be clear, we are not talking about her abusing prescriptions, but remembering to take them as prescribed. This is no small task since some of the dosages change regularly according to lab results. Some meds she was taking no longer are necessary because she gets them as part of dialysis. So in some cases there is less to remember.
She's supposed to check her blood sugar three times a day, always just prior to eating. The fact that she checks her blood sugar less often and somewhat irregularly is not something that just started. She's been diabetic for nearly 40 years. She ignored any symptoms she had for decades. She starting taking having diabetes more seriously when she got diabetic retinopathy and had to have surgery on her eyes. That was what it took for a wake up call.
Tension is caused by balancing being a caregiver and being her partner. As her partner, I respect her desire to remain independent. As her caregiver, I feel an obligation to do everything possible to keep her as healthy as I can. There are times when these two things are at odds. This creates uncertainty and tension for both of us.
Of course they will be at odds. That means you have to make a choice in how to act, right?
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Of course they will be at odds. That means you have to make a choice in how to act, right?
We are both content to just take things as they come. If my wife feels like I am infringing on her independence, she won't hesitate to let me know.
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Sweet photo. -Seems a trifle gay. Remember I characterized this thread as (no homo). ;) By you guys, I meant guys as in people with no preference as to gender.
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We are both content to just take things as they come. If my wife feels like I am infringing on her independence, she won't hesitate to let me know.
You have said several times that you're uninterested in whether she follows the doctor's orders, for one thing, so maybe you could explain what you mean by the above.
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You have said several times that you're uninterested in whether she follows the doctor's orders, for one thing, so maybe you could explain what you mean by the above.
Personally, I believe I have answered your questions as honestly as possible. I am curious as to what you are driving at here.
If I said several times that I am not interested in whether she follows doctors orders, I misspoke. I am very concerned about this. I am just not going to bug her about it all the time.
If you have additional questions, I'd be happy to answer you via PM because I don't believe pursuing this same conversation over and over with you is of any interest to others reading this thread.
Go back to the beginning of the thread. I started it because I needed to blow off some steam. The thread was about how I was feeling with regards to taking care of my wife. I believe you have taken it off track.
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Personally, I believe I have answered your questions as honestly as possible. I am curious as to what you are driving at here.
If I said several times that I am not interested in whether she follows doctors orders, I misspoke. I am very concerned about this. I am just not going to bug her about it all the time.
You don't need to bug her. You just need to be there beforehand so she knows she can rely on you. If you know she doesn't like doing certain things (as you have stated), then why don't you do it for her? Won't that send her all the right messages? Won't you be upholding your vows like a champ?
So do it. Because you will be reliving these last days in your mind, when she is gone. You'd better believe it now while you have a chance.
If you have additional questions, I'd be happy to answer you via PM because I don't believe pursuing this same conversation over and over with you is of any interest to others reading this thread.
Go back to the beginning of the thread. I started it because I needed to blow off some steam. The thread was about how I was feeling with regards to taking care of my wife. I believe you have taken it off track.
No, it was right on track. It was what you needed to know. Now you do know it, so it's on you.
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Personally, I believe I have answered your questions as honestly as possible. I am curious as to what you are driving at here.
If I said several times that I am not interested in whether she follows doctors orders, I misspoke. I am very concerned about this. I am just not going to bug her about it all the time.
If you have additional questions, I'd be happy to answer you via PM because I don't believe pursuing this same conversation over and over with you is of any interest to others reading this thread.
Go back to the beginning of the thread. I started it because I needed to blow off some steam. The thread was about how I was feeling with regards to taking care of my wife. I believe you have taken it off track.
You had a few drinks and was looking for a fight that evening.
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You had a few drinks and was looking for a fight that evening.
This is a real possibility. I do tend to blur things that are getting me down with a little too much scotch. I don't think I was looking for a fight though. I was looking for a way to cope with a difficult situation that isn't going to go away. I am a fixer. It really gets me down when I can't fix something.
Focusing on the positive; everything has been much better since I started this thread. It would seem I needed an outlet. You all stepped up to the plate and allowed me this. Thank you and my wife thanks you too.
In fairness, as she continued with dialysis, she has become much more rational and more like the woman I know and love. It seems like it is a win. We don't know how long the win will last, but let's hope it is for quite awhile.
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You don't need to bug her. You just need to be there beforehand so she knows she can rely on you. If you know she doesn't like doing certain things (as you have stated), then why don't you do it for her? Won't that send her all the right messages? Won't you be upholding your vows like a champ?
So do it. Because you will be reliving these last days in your mind, when she is gone. You'd better believe it now while you have a chance.
No, it was right on track. It was what you needed to know. Now you do know it, so it's on you.
I agree with some of what you've posted. My wife does need to know that I am there for her and I need to be there for her when she needs me. As long as she has a voice, she can ask for help when she needs it.
As for doing certain things for her that she doesn't or won't do for herself, well that's a bit of a different story. She is desperately hanging onto remaining as independent as possible. This is the really touchy area. For now, we are both good with her asking for help. Should things change and she is no longer in a place where she can reasonably do this, it will trigger reevaluating this part as long as I am around to fill that gap.
Sometimes I don't feel like much of a champ. All our family and friends keep telling me I am, but that just does not make it so. I am grateful that I have so much support. I can't imagine how people get through this stuff when they don't have a network behind them.
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This is a real possibility. I do tend to blur things that are getting me down with a little too much scotch. I don't think I was looking for a fight though. I was looking for a way to cope with a difficult situation that isn't going to go away. I am a fixer. It really gets me down when I can't fix something.
Focusing on the positive; everything has been much better since I started this thread. It would seem I needed an outlet. You all stepped up to the plate and allowed me this. Thank you and my wife thanks you too.
In fairness, as she continued with dialysis, she has become much more rational and more like the woman I know and love. It seems like it is a win. We don't know how long the win will last, but let's hope it is for quite awhile.
I think it was good for you....you've been alot more laid back since then.
Bro you sounded pretty stressed out that evening!
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I think it was good for you....you've been alot more laid back since then.
Bro you sounded pretty stressed out that evening!
I was out of my mind with stress. You guys rule. Thanks.
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I agree with some of what you've posted. My wife does need to know that I am there for her and I need to be there for her when she needs me. As long as she has a voice, she can ask for help when she needs it.
As for doing certain things for her that she doesn't or won't do for herself, well that's a bit of a different story. She is desperately hanging onto remaining as independent as possible. This is the really touchy area. For now, we are both good with her asking for help. Should things change and she is no longer in a place where she can reasonably do this, it will trigger reevaluating this part as long as I am around to fill that gap.
Sometimes I don't feel like much of a champ. All our family and friends keep telling me I am, but that just does not make it so. I am grateful that I have so much support. I can't imagine how people get through this stuff when they don't have a network behind them.
With all due respect, Prime, you are both not good with her asking for help. If that were true, this wouldn't be happening:
The main issue is checking her blood sugar. She's supposed to do this before every meal and if it is over 200 give herself an insulin shot. The shots are something new for her. She was on an oral medication for blood sugar control but that was causing her to have low blood sugar which is very dangerous too. She doesn't like doing this. If no one reminds her to check her blood sugar, she'll often skip it and the insulin shot. If I remind her by asking if she's checked it, she sometimes snaps back that she's got it under control and to stop treating her like a child. This is what started the ruckus last night.
And she wouldn't have unresolved issues that has led you to keep an unused CPAP in the closet.
This is the truth, isn't it?
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Stop mocking arabs as the joke is in yourself.
Pathetic. Go intercourse yourself.
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I'm not trying to harass you Prime. These are things that once you face, it will make you both feel much better. Lots of people right here can help you find answers to things like CPAP alternatives and diabetes issues. You like to communicate, so why not use it for these things?
As for right now, the most important thing you can do is to be with her when it's time to do a medical procedure. It gives you the perfect opportunity to connect and to show her what she means to you. And knowing the doctor's orders are being followed will give you the security of mind to enjoy that quality of life you mentioned.
All immediate problems solved with just a little bit of effort from you.
Won't you start doing it, now?
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With all due respect, Prime, you are both not good with her asking for help. If that were true, this wouldn't be happening:
And she wouldn't have unresolved issues that has led you to keep an unused CPAP in the closet.
This is the truth, isn't it?
The unused CPAP in the closet is hers. She put it there because she refused to use it. This was never an issue between us.
Exactly what is happening?
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Prime is a good man. If it wasnt for his lust for dudes he would make a stand up citizen in best korea
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how would your wife feel if she read this thread prime
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If she doesn't ask you for help maybe it's because you don't kindly help her and look unhappy while doing it. Think about it. Then you know now that you wanted to abondon your 70yo wife so don't be surprised if she does the same to you years later.
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Prime is a good man. If it wasnt for his lust for dudes he would make a stand up citizen in best korea
agreed. However, if he is bisexual, it is not easy to find happiness being with only 1 person.
I wish you the best, Prime. :)
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I'm not trying to harass you Prime. These are things that once you face, it will make you both feel much better. Lots of people right here can help you find answers to things like CPAP alternatives and diabetes issues. You like to communicate, so why not use it for these things?
As for right now, the most important thing you can do is to be with her when it's time to do a medical procedure. It gives you the perfect opportunity to connect and to show her what she means to you. And knowing the doctor's orders are being followed will give you the security of mind to enjoy that quality of life you mentioned.
All immediate problems solved with just a little bit of effort from you.
Won't you start doing it, now?
Jesus....mind your fucking businesss nosy
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shouldn't you be spying on complete strangers on Facebook..... and "reporting" back to us, like we give a fuck ::)
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The unused CPAP in the closet is hers. She put it there because she refused to use it. This was never an issue between us.
I know it's hers, Prime. And I know that most people have resistance to sleep treatment, until they feel the benefit from it. Then they don't want to do without it. I know there are ways around a CPAP, too, for the people that won't use them.
Exactly what is happening?
You know what's happening.
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how would your wife feel if she read this thread prime
Mostly, she'd be okay with it. She'd probably get on my case for responding to some of the less kind to me comments. She'd very protective of me. I haven't posted anything here she and I have not discussed. We have no secrets. Secrets are barriers to a good relationship.
She's not into social networking aside from email. She might think Getbig is stupid. I talk about Getbig to her, but she doesn't really seem that interested.
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If she doesn't ask you for help maybe it's because you don't kindly help her and look unhappy while doing it. Think about it. Then you know now that you wanted to abondon your 70yo wife so don't be surprised if she does the same to you years later.
Sorry, but this is laughable.
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agreed. However, if he is bisexual, it is not easy to find happiness being with only 1 person.
I wish you the best, Prime. :)
Do you have personal experience with this situation?
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I know it's hers, Prime. And I know that most people have resistance to sleep treatment, until they feel the benefit from it. Then they don't want to do without it. I know there are ways around a CPAP, too, for the people that won't use them.
You know what's happening.
Then you don't know the folks in our house who are supposed to use a CPAP. My wife tried to use hers for a long time. She never liked it. Eventually she told her doctor she wasn't going to use it. My son-in-law has a CPAP which he only sometimes uses. He says he feels better when he does, but that it is a hassle to use.
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Then you don't know the folks in our house who are supposed to use a CPAP. My wife tried to use hers for a long time. She never liked it. Eventually she told her doctor she wasn't going to use it. My son-in-law has a CPAP which he only sometimes uses. He says he feels better when he does, but that it is a hassle to use.
She wants the benefit of healthy sleep but the particular device is what's putting her off. That's what you're saying.
Have you investigated any alternatives?
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Thanks for the solid advice. I should do that. I am really wound up tonight. I probably wouldn't be able to sleep anyway.
Without a doubt, I am going to regret tonight for a long time to come. I just need to exhaust some negative energy that has been piling up for the last couple of months. It's a long story. Those of you who know me well, know what I am talking about.
still having irresistible homosexual thoughts my friend?..be honest
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She wants the benefit of healthy sleep but the particular device is what's putting her off. That's what you're saying.
Have you investigated any alternatives?
Yes. She tried several different models before completely giving up on them. There are also some limitations because the CPAP has to be a model that works with oxygen. She uses oxygen 24/7 with the flow rate currently at 4. There are other nuisances with using a CPAP. Namely, she gets up to pee several times during the night. Each time she did, she had to disconnect and reconnect the CPAP.
Currenty, she sleeps about half or more of the night sitting up in a large comfortable chair in the bedroom. This position actually helps with her breathing. Her lung function is poor enough that it becomes harder for her to breath when she's laying down. This is not because her airway is blocked but because her lungs have flattened out according to the doctor. A CPAP would not help with this problem.
We've talked about getting a hospital bed for her, but she doesn't want one because she says they aren't comfortable. She should know. She's almost spent more time in the hospital this year then out.
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still having irresistible homosexual thoughts my friend?..be honest
I am always honest. It is one of only a few good features about my personality.
Sexual thoughts of any type were not on my mind the other night. Has anyone ever mentioned to you that you have a one track mind and an unusual curiosity about my sex life? Frankly, it makes you seem somewhat perverted.
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Yes. She tried several different models before completely giving up on them. There are also some limitations because the CPAP has to work with oxygen. She uses oxygen 24/7 with the flow rate currently at 4. There are other nuisances with using a CPAP. Namely, she gets up to pee several times during the night. Each time she did, she had to disconnect and reconnect the CPAP.
Currenty, she sleeps about half or more of the night sitting up in a large comfortable chair in the bedroom. This position actually helps with her breathing. Her lung function is poor enough that it becomes harder for her to breath when she's laying down. This is not because her airway is blocked but because her lungs have flattened out according to the doctor. A CPAP would not help with this problem.
We've talked about getting a hospital bed for her, but she doesn't want one because she says they aren't comfortable. She should know. She's almost spent more time in the hospital this year then out.
Does she still snore or have other breathing irregularities when she sleeps in the chair?
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Does she still snore or have other breathing irregularities when she sleeps in the chair?
Her airway is restricted because of an enlarged thyroid. She is not healthy enough to have surgery to have her non functioning thyroid removed. Actually, she rarely snores these days. I am not sure why she isn't snoring. She used to snore so loud that I couldn't sleep without wearing earplugs.
As I mentioned, it is easier for her to breath sitting up. I've not only offered up the idea of getting a hospital bed or even one of those sleep number beds with dual controls, I've got her one of the bed pillows with arms that's specifically designed for sitting up in bed. It's in the closet along with the CPAP.
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Her airway is restricted because of an enlarged thyroid. She is not healthy enough to have surgery to have her non functioning thyroid removed. Actually, she rarely snores these days. I am not sure why she isn't snoring. She used to snore so loud that I couldn't sleep without wearing earplugs.
As I mentioned, it is easier for her to breath sitting up. I've not only offered up the idea of getting a hospital bed or even one of those sleep number beds with dual controls, I've got her one of the bed pillows with arms that's specifically designed for sitting up in bed. It's in the closet along with the CPAP.
Seems that would be a good thing, but has the doctor commented on it? I've heard of apnea being suppressed with diet changes etc. Do you think that could have happened with her?
Do you see or hear anything from her when she sleeps that would tell you something is interfering with her breathing these days...something that would indicate an apnea problem?
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Who deleted my Groink photoshop?
Why is he allowed special treatment?
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Seems that would be a good thing, but has the doctor commented on it? I've heard of apnea being suppressed with diet changes etc. Do you think that could have happened with her?
Do you see or hear anything from her when she sleeps that would tell you something is interfering with her breathing these days...something that would indicate an apnea problem?
Sometimes, maybe often sleep apnea occurs in people who are obese. A change in diet that reduces someone's weight could correct sleep apnea. In my wife's case, the sleep apnea may have been the result of her having an enlarged thyroid. An enlarged thyroid can restrict the airway thus causing sleep apnea.
Has the doctor commented on what? The fact that she sleeps part of the night in a chair as opposed to laying down in bed? Not really. Her primary care physician and the nephrologist both asked her about using the CPAP for quite awhile. When it became obvious that she wasn't going to use it, they've both let it go. Realistically, while not using a CPAP when it might help with breathing and sleep can be life threatening, my wife has much more serious health issues going on then this and has had for a least 10 years.
She doesn't sleep well, but then her sleep patterns have been messed up for quite awhile. It's better since she started dialysis, but she generally sleeps about 12 to 14 hours in any 24 hour period. The quality of that sleep is not great for a number of reasons. When I've listened to her breathe while sleeping lately, it has been pretty regular.
You seem to be trying to figure out how to make her well. If you can do what many doctors have failed to accomplish over the last few decades, it would be amazing. My wife has never had really great health her entire adult life. Some of this is due to her not taking good care of her health and mostly, it is just crap genetics.
Maybe we are all taking the easy way out, but her specialists and regular doctors are just concentrating on making her feel as good as possible. She's feeling a lot better since starting dialysis. The doctor told her she would continue to feel better and better over the next several weeks. This being said, there is no medical reason that suggests her kidney failure will go away. Dialysis is doing the work her kidneys no longer do. As I mentioned she also has congestive heart failure. That doesn't get better with time or treatment either.
Read about chronic stage V kidney failure. There are three ways to deal with it. One is to simply do nothing and die over the course of several weeks. Another is to have a kidney transplant, which my wife cannot do because she would most certainly die during surgery. And lastly, go on dialysis for as long as that works which might extend your life some, but won't resolve the kidney failure.
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I agree with some of what you've posted. My wife does need to know that I am there for her and I need to be there for her when she needs me. As long as she has a voice, she can ask for help when she needs it.
As for doing certain things for her that she doesn't or won't do for herself, well that's a bit of a different story. She is desperately hanging onto remaining as independent as possible. This is the really touchy area. For now, we are both good with her asking for help. Should things change and she is no longer in a place where she can reasonably do this, it will trigger reevaluating this part as long as I am around to fill that gap.
Sometimes I don't feel like much of a champ. All our family and friends keep telling me I am, but that just does not make it so. I am grateful that I have so much support. I can't imagine how people get through this stuff when they don't have a network behind them.
we get it, she s dying, you re alone , depressed, you both have duplicit twisted feelings about each other and death... not sure how people on the internet can help you, especially on here where most are young, very young, or inexperienced/immature with such stuff and care more about getting bigger muscles, cars to..get the girls.
my advice would be to let her die if she wants it. Ask her and if you really love her understand her useless suffering and help her make her pain stop asap. Ask her if she wants to be euthanasied and be done with it. Will be better for everyone involved. You pretend to have a great relationships with her, why come on fucking getbig to discuss all these things. Real couples dont do that, they get straight to the point and keep it between them.
Seriously who wants to live in these conditions you enumerated about her health. Chair/bed ridden all day long, watching tv, eating... knowing everyone wants you to die asap so the burden stops and they can resume their lives (and inherit stuff). Two people who love each other simply ask themselves "ok, do you still want to live or not " and that's it. It's also better to do it while she s still conscious / aware. Im baffled you seem to never have had such a discussion with her. Apparently some people spend their lives together saying nothing or very few things to each others, weird, but i'm not surprised.
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Who deleted my Groink photoshop?
Why is he allowed special treatment?
He has two cocks and can please twice the amount of schmoes as any other superior human building.
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Sometimes, maybe often sleep apnea occurs in people who are obese. A change in diet that reduces someone's weight could correct sleep apnea. In my wife's case, the sleep apnea may have been the result of her having an enlarged thyroid. An enlarged thyroid can restrict the airway thus causing sleep apnea.
Has the doctor commented on what? The fact that she sleeps part of the night in a chair as opposed to laying down in bed? Not really. Her primary care physician and the nephrologist both asked her about using the CPAP for quite awhile. When it became obvious that she wasn't going to use it, they've both let it go. Realistically, while not using a CPAP when it might help with breathing and sleep can be life threatening, my wife has much more serious health issues going on then this and has had for a least 10 years.
She doesn't sleep well, but then her sleep patterns have been messed up for quite awhile. It's better since she started dialysis, but she generally sleeps about 12 to 14 hours in any 24 hour period. The quality of that sleep is not great for a number of reasons. When I've listened to her breathe while sleeping lately, it has been pretty regular.
You seem to be trying to figure out how to make her well. If you can do what many doctors have failed to accomplish over the last few decades, it would be amazing. My wife has never had really great health her entire adult life. Some of this is due to her not taking good care of her health and mostly, it is just crap genetics.
Maybe we are all taking the easy way out, but her specialists and regular doctors are just concentrating on making her feel as good as possible. She's feeling a lot better since starting dialysis. The doctor told her she would continue to feel better and better over the next several weeks. This being said, there is no medical reason that suggests her kidney failure will go away. Dialysis is doing the work her kidneys no longer do. As I mentioned she also has congestive heart failure. That doesn't get better with time or treatment either.
Read about chronic stage V kidney failure. There are three ways to deal with it. One is to simply do nothing and die over the course of several weeks. Another is to have a kidney transplant, which my wife cannot do because she would most certainly die during surgery. And lastly, go on dialysis for as long as that works which might extend your life some, but won't resolve the kidney failure.
If the doctor commented on the sharp decline in snoring, is what I was asking. It used to be so loud, and now you say she rarely snores, seems like something to question. If she reversed the apnea, it would be good to know.
Yes, I saw earlier when you mentioned the three ways. I don't think there's much "maybe" about whether dialysis will improve and extend life compared to not doing it, as long as the patient takes to it, is there?
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You know what Prime I know me and you haven't always seen eye to eye but I sincerely wish you and your wife the best.
Also nothing wrong with being who you are or letting off some steam on here or otherwise, so keep your head up always.
If you finally ever wanna talk on the phone you can ring me anytime. I'll drop you my number on PM, just don't give it out to anyone please.
I am a lot nicer person in real life than I make out on here.
Peace
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If the doctor commented on the sharp decline in snoring, is what I was asking. It used to be so loud, and now you say she rarely snores, seems like something to question. If she reversed the apnea, it would be good to know.
Yes, I saw earlier when you mentioned the three ways. I don't think there's much "maybe" about whether dialysis will improve and extend life compared to not doing it, as long as the patient takes to it, is there?
I see, well the last time the doctor asked my wife about the CPAP, I mentioned that she seems to be sleeping more soundly and that she wasn't snoring or "catching her breath" as she had been before. I go to most of her doctors appointment and go in with her to the exam room. When I am not there, our daughter is. While it seems like something to question, in the scope of things and given that she refuses to use the CPAP, the doctor is not pursuing this.
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I see, well the last time the doctor asked my wife about the CPAP, I mentioned that she seems to be sleeping more soundly and that she wasn't snoring or "catching her breath" as she had been before. I go to most of her doctors appointment and go in with her to the exam room. When I am not there, our daughter is. While it seems like something to question, in the scope of things and given that she refuses to use the CPAP, the doctor is not pursuing this.
what's her specific complaint about the cpap...besides the part about getting up to use the restroom
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if she's no longer snoring, and you believe her snoring had been caused by an enlarged thyroid..do you have any more comment? do you still think it was due to that?
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shouldn't you be spying on complete strangers on Facebook..... and "reporting" back to us, like we give a fuck ::)
Yes, we need more reports from FitnessFrenzy!
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how are things prime
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prime, something i meant to include earlier when you said this:
Sometimes, maybe often sleep apnea occurs in people who are obese. A change in diet that reduces someone's weight could correct sleep apnea.
someone can eat certain things or have it too late in the day and it can trigger bad snoring, too. i know you suspect her thyroid was causing it, though...since you say her snoring is mostly gone, don't forget to give your thoughts on whether you still think that