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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
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It's not anxiety, it's called:
You are a BETA!
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Do you drink coffee?
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Do you drink coffee?
One cup a day black
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Maybe have the doc check you dont have something stuck in your rectum
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Maybe have the doc check you dont have something stuck in your rectum
Lol
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Well this didnt go well, i should probably join a social anxiety board lol
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Up the test. The things you described will drop off the radar.
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Up the test. The things you described will drop off the radar.
Already crankin 500mgs man and an AI
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It's not anxiety, it's called:
You are a BETA!
This.
But seriously sounds like you have some major social anxiety disorder. I work with a woman like that. I'm sorta the same way but not as bad as you. Other than friends/family and chicks I want to bang I really dislike talking with people. Good luck.
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This.
But seriously sounds like you have some major social anxiety disorder. I work with a woman like that. I'm sorta the same way but not as bad as you. Other than friends/family and chicks I want to bang I really dislike talking with people. Good luck.
Its not that i mind talking to people, just constantly consumed with how im interacting and how its affecting others around me to the point that its semi-crippling
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Its not that i mind talking to people, just constantly consumed with how im interacting and how its affecting others around me to the point that its semi-crippling
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If... and I say "IF" you are being serious, it is called "social anxiety"
...and your feelings could be absolutely correct. I wouldn't know.
Sounds like a little bit of O.C.D. goin' on there also, which just feeds the fire.
If it gets out of hand to where it is crippling, it is called G.A.D. "Generalized Anxiety Disorder" and at that point Cognitive Behavior Therapy is a good choice...
...unless of course, you dig Benzos.
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If... and I say "IF" you are being serious, it is called "social anxiety"
...and your feelings could be absolutely correct. I wouldn't know.
Sounds like a little bit of O.C.D. goin' on there also, which just feeds the fire.
If it gets out of hand to where it is crippling, it is called G.A.D. "Generalized Anxiety Disorder" and at that point Cognitive Behavior Therapy is a good choice...
...unless of course, you dig Benzos.
Dead serious. I realized i had social anxiety but wonder if if was a certain kind or just text book social anxiety disorder
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Dead serious. I realized i had social anxiety but wonder if if was a certain kind or just text book social anxiety disorder
You're not a snowflake but these can manifest slightly different in different people. Some have it worse than others too.
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I looked up GAD.
These symptoms for sure...
-Difficulty concentrating, or the feeling that your mind "goes blank".
(In stressful situations like if a guy picks a fight or is a prick, i like shut down. I cant think on my feet at all. After its over im like "ah why didnt i say this or thAt")
-Worrying about excessively worrying
-Distress about making decisions for fear of making the wrong decision
-Carrying every option in a situation all the way out to its possible negative conclusion (this sums up my initial post i think?)
-Difficulty handling uncertainty or indecisiveness
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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
That sounds like typical social anxiety with certain aspects of O.C.D. also, you're right. Going to a social anxiety disorder board can help. But more importantly getting in touch with a psychiatrist or psychologist. But be warned. Anti-anxiety medications can put weight on you. No matter how crisp your diet is.
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you dont need friends. you dont need to be social. All you need is the iron
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Look outward at people with your eyes from where you are standing. Don't look back at yourself with their eyes.
Then you'll know exactly where they are when the time comes to kill them. After that they usually just stay in one place and stop plotting against you.
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Look outward at people with your eyes from where you are standing. Don't look back at yourself with their eyes.
Then you'll know exactly where they are when the time comes to kill them. After that they usually just stay in one place and stop plotting against you.
Damn that first sentence is pretty wise man, eventhough u are trying to make a joke, i think that is something i will try to remember
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I can relate. Sometimes I tell myself just to not give a crap about certain things and that works. I tried the meds but didn't like being a "test" subject. They just try one med after another and hope something works eventually. It was hell getting off of it too. Took over a year for the side effects to wear off. Din't like being "zoned out". It works for some people, just not me.
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That sounds like typical social anxiety with certain aspects of O.C.D. also, you're right. Going to a social anxiety disorder board can help. But more importantly getting in touch with a psychiatrist or psychologist. But be warned. Anti-anxiety medications can put weight on you. No matter how crisp your diet is.
Thanks
I also realize that i try hard to avoid confrontations because i wont know what or how to react. Its like i always freeze...even with positive comments. Im constantly planning in my head..."what if that guy comes over abd talks to me today, oh shit what will i say so i dont sound dumb!?". Always running situations thru my head before they actually happen because i am not quick on my feet
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How the hell old are you??
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How the hell old are you??
31
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31
Did you just recently go bugshit crazy like this? How long is the "while" you say it's been happening?
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Did you just recently go bugshit crazy like this? How long is the "while" you say it's been happening?
Always been like this since 17-18 from what i remember. Lately i feel like its starting to effect career and life though. Always managed with it and didnt thhink it was too debilitating but now its really pissing me off. I kind of feel like its making me depressed slighlty, like i want to feel normal and this is preventing me from it
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Thanks
I also realize that i try hard to avoid confrontations because i wont know what or how to react. Its like i always freeze...even with positive comments. Im constantly planning in my head..."what if that guy comes over abd talks to me today, oh shit what will i say so i dont sound dumb!?". Always running situations thru my head before they actually happen because i am not quick on my feet
Who would "that guy" be, exactly?
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Who would "that guy" be, exactly?
Guys from my gym i see daily. Some live near me. No-homo.
Dude, u should see me if a girl comes around...its 5 times worse
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Always been like this since 17-18 from what i remember. Lately i feel like its starting to effect career and life though. Always managed with it and didnt thhink it was too debilitating but now its really pissing me off. I kind of feel like its making me depressed slighlty, like i want to feel normal and this is preventing me from it
How?
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How?
Just sucked it up and tried to not to worry or think about it. I feel like im too old to still feel like this.
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Just sucked it up and tried to not to worry or think about it. I feel like im too old to still feel like this.
That's good, because it means you recognize it. You'll age out of it.
Meanwhile, I recommend that you find something more important to think about. It's a big world with big problems. Focusing too much on yourself leads to corruption and insanity.
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That's good, because it means you recognize it. You'll age out of it.
Meanwhile, I recommend that you find something more important to think about. It's a big world with big problems. Focusing too much on yourself leads to corruption and insanity.
Good points man. I do think about myself wayyy too much
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Good points man. I do think about myself wayyy too much
And you can't deny having insane thoughts, based on your posts in this thread. That's for sure.
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Damn that first sentence is pretty wise man, eventhough u are trying to make a joke, i think that is something i will try to remember
Only 1/2 joking. They really do stop plotting after that.
Another calming thing I try to do is resolve my internal dialogue into a monologue of one mind when appropriate. Letting a few voices have their say is good for hashing out problems when I'm working on something but isn't helpful when I need to interact with someone else or when I need to get rid of paralysis by analysis and get moving on something without The Voice of Doom nagging me about every unlikely possibility.
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What are you guys trying to convey to these mystery people, that causes you to get so tripped up?
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Just sucked it up and tried to not to worry or think about it. I feel like im too old to still feel like this.
Anxiety has no age limit. Trust me, I know. I suffer anxiety and depression. Sometimes lately it is hard to get out of bed in the morning, so I don't get up until 10:00 a.m. or 11:00 a.m. It probably doesn't help that I am retired. I am not required to be anywhere at a certain time. Although, finances are not a problem, I worry about them a lot. I strive to think positive thoughts, but the negative ones creep in when I least expect it.
I've tried "sucking it up" and it doesn't work. Ignoring something does not make it go away, it just stuffs it in the closet. Anyone opens the door and bam, out it comes.
For awhile, I took the meds my doctor prescribed for anxiety. I didn't like the side effects so I weaned myself off them. Presently, I am back taking Welbutrin which has helped in the past with minimal sides. Welbutrin is prescribed for depression.
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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
The examples your provide sound normal to me, spitting can be interpreted by others as you spitting on them so to speak or not respecting their presence.
We get a kick when we are seen to be doing the right thing by others, its out social conditioning.
Women these days think guys are perverts therefore you may want to prevent being seen in this dim light.
It is common courtesy to thank someone if they hold the door for you.
But beyond a wholesome respect for others you shouldn't be overly concerned and develop courage to do your own thing and be yourself.
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I hate trying piss at a urinal with two dudes either side of me having a conversation with each other lol.
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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
stop spitting, its disgusting.
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stop spitting, its disgusting.
Hahahah, yes! HAHAHAHAHA LOL
I do it all the time hahaha. Only in bad neigberhood. U can be more relaxed there :D
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Dead serious. I realized i had social anxiety but wonder if if was a certain kind or just text book social anxiety disorder
Pop a xanax and life will be great just don't get addicted,none of that shit will bother you in fact you will lose ambitions and go talk to the hot chick,tell the guy you held the dorr for "your welcome fucker" trust me that's how xanax works with me. actually really bad advice unless you really have a anxiety issues very addictive stuff.It will work though.
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Do something against it now - or you will be destroyed or an addict.
-realize that you're living in a system to kill you and that it's your healthy reaction to generate fear(the rabbit hole goes insanely deep)
-face all your worries and fears especially fears that make you fear that you will react with even more fear
-start doing breathing exercises
-start sorting out the dictionary in you head... see which words you're using and programming yourself with - language/thought often equates emotions and action
-learn that you, and only you, are your destiny's commander
-use math exercises to get back your skill to concentrate on things... start with easy things and up the ante
-be aware that as soon as you start working on your issue it will get worse in the short term... may be hours, may be days
-your brain is a computer and you can, and have to, rewire it through exercise
-your subconscious is the key to all things and bringing some things out from the dark may ease your burden
My tip: read material from C.G. Jung, Christopher S. Hyatt, Robert Anton Wilson, Timothy Leary and slowly let it sink in.
Breathing exercises(Hyatt)
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i was like that once and the best advice is get over it. no one is looking at you and if they are big deal not like your doing anything stupid.
ive had that girl in the gym problem many times once again if your not going to talk to her get over it and continue your work out if she happens to
be next to the bench and you need to use it do so and just ignore her. your there to workout and get back to normal life.
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Yo have to face your fears. Try interacting with people more since it's something you have trouble with. The more you do something the less threatening it will be. Tren made me feel this way. Equipose was even worse. I've also struggled with anxiety. You never completely over come it but you learn every day how to deal with it. Try not to take yourself so serious.
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Yo have to face your fears. Try interacting with people more since it's something you have trouble with. The more you do something the less threatening it will be. Tren made me feel this way. Equipose was even worse. I've also struggled with anxiety. You never completely over come it but you learn every day how to deal with it. Try not to take yourself so serious.
Will do man thanks, its good to know others are also going or gone thru this.i definitely take myself wayyy to serious which is part of the problem. I am trying to be more interactive with people and i dont get so frozen , but in uncomfortable situations my brain literally shuts down, making it even more akward and uncomfortable
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Pop a xanax and life will be great just don't get addicted,none of that shit will bother you in fact you will lose ambitions and go talk to the hot chick,tell the guy you held the dorr for "your welcome fucker" trust me that's how xanax works with me. actually really bad advice unless you really have a anxiety issues very addictive stuff.It will work though.
It is.
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Yo have to face your fears. Try interacting with people more since it's something you have trouble with. The more you do something the less threatening it will be. Tren made me feel this way. Equipose was even worse. I've also struggled with anxiety. You never completely over come it but you learn every day how to deal with it. Try not to take yourself so serious.
You make a good point. It can be considered like training. But for the mind. Though one shouldn't beat themselves up over not getting it right the first time. Take baby steps. But be sure to give yourself a pat on the back for even attempting it, thong maniac. Your mind will start to adapt to the situation with practise.
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To those who do not suffer from this, guys... Don't give out advice, you do not understand how it is.
It's not like going in cold water if you don't like cold water, it's not about confronting fears. It's about getting rid of this annoying as fuck feeling in your stomach that just comes and goes. Not gonna go away by some "pep talk" or pat on the back saying "you're ok bro, everything's gonna be ok..."
Been struggling with this for the longest part of my life and am finally seeking professional help. Got bloodwork done and saw a cardiologue yesterday as my lifestyle has been a rough on over health wise since '98.
So just get over it you say? Pffff, it's like saying "you wanna get bigger, just lift more weight"
Dosen't really work that way...
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To those who do not suffer from this, guys... Don't give out advice, you do not understand how it is.
It's not like going in cold water if you don't like cold water, it's not about confronting fears. It's about getting rid of this annoying as fuck feeling in your stomach that just comes and goes. Not gonna go away by some "pep talk" or pat on the back saying "you're ok bro, everything's gonna be ok..."
Been struggling with this for the longest part of my life and am finally seeking professional help. Got bloodwork done and saw a cardiologue yesterday as my lifestyle has been a rough on over health wise since '98.
So just get over it you say? Pffff, it's like saying "you wanna get bigger, just lift more weight"
Dosen't really work that way...
I have anxiety issues. Having said this, one can know what it is like if they listen and sympathize with people who suffer from anxiety, even when they don't. Years ago, I had a good friend and co-worker who suffered from agoraphobia. It was so bad, she eventually couldn't leave her house to come to work which was only blocks away from where she lived.
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I have anxiety issues. Having said this, one can know what it is like if they listen and sympathize with people who suffer from anxiety, even when they don't. Years ago, I had a good friend and co-worker who suffered from agoraphobia. It was so bad, she eventually couldn't leave her house to come to work which was only blocks away from where she lived.
you've laid out some good posts here man, thanks for speaking up, made it easier for me. (that's right, was too much of a pussy too, but I am seeking help and am puting this down here to hopefully be able to report good news when this gets started. Would be nice to encourage others to seek help if they're ready....)
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you've laid out some good posts here man, thanks for speaking up, made it easier for me. (that's right, was too much of a pussy too, but I am seeking help and am puting this down here to hopefully be able to report good news when this gets started. Would be nice to encourage others to seek help if they're ready....)
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Why are you seeing a cardio doc?
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People grow out of things all the time.
Getting hooked on pharmaceuticals isn't going to help that happen, though. Count on it.
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you've laid out some good posts here man, thanks for speaking up, made it easier for me. (that's right, was too much of a pussy too, but I am seeking help and am puting this down here to hopefully be able to report good news when this gets started. Would be nice to encourage others to seek help if they're ready....)
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Why are you seeing a cardio doc?
Sine '98 been real rough on my body. Speed, cocaine, ghb in massive quantities. Cocaine, ghb more of the past but speed was taken every 2 weeks in my life for long periods of time.
The heart takes a beating from all this. Been having a feeling in my chest I don't like. Especially since my last party. (about 2.5 months ago) shit has not been the same since.
Threw out all my party stuff I had, just smoke weed now and doubt I could ever stop.
Cardio exam yesterday was really good, she even saw my blood work all was good but one reading. Gonna see the doc tonight to see how or why that one reading was like 4 times what it should be.
Have scrip for EKG in 2 months.
Heard of guys flat out dying on smaller forums a few years back. Some of those dudes lived real close to me. Makes you think...
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People grow out of things all the time.
Getting hooked on pharmaceuticals isn't going to help that happen, though. Count on it.
And some people don't grow out of things. There are plenty of people who are older and are still VERY anxious. The difference is the anxiety is manifested differently, but its still there. In your 20's, you may be anxious about school and finding a job, then in your 40's, it may be about your children. Nonetheless, it has not gone away, its just manifested differently. Of course a healthy amount of anxiety is okay, but not when it becomes excessive.
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People grow out of things all the time.
Getting hooked on pharmaceuticals isn't going to help that happen, though. Count on it.
I understand that. But at the moment will take the trade. Waking up 5 times per night has wiped me out.
So it's a pick your poison situation indeed.
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You won't know the true meaning of anxiety until you take Tren.
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You won't know the true meaning of anxiety until you take Tren.
which is why I will never use it.
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I understand that. But at the moment will take the trade. Waking up 5 times per night has wiped me out.
So it's a pick your poison situation indeed.
Would you describe the disruptive thoughts as being fearful ones?
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Would you describe the disruptive thoughts as being fearful ones?
Or course there is fear involved. Being scared to be crushed by your own bed covers at night is not very comforting.
See what I'm dealing with here?
And then some....
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Or course there is fear involved. Being scared to be crushed by your own bed covers at night is not very comforting.
See what I'm dealing with here?
And then some....
Crushed by your bed covers? Are you exaggerating for effect, or have you actually had that fear?
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Crushed by your bed covers? Are you exaggerating for effect, or have you actually had that fear?
had to sleep over my blankets for some time, not joking, trying to be funny/witty this is what I deal with.
Only the sleep meds make me forget about that shit to actually be able to sleep.
Fear of going to bed, dying in sleep, not being able to breath... Gonna end this hear, don't wanna put shit in other guys heads they don't have.
This is why I'm open to meds, this is suffering.
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I'm a shy person but tren made me aggressive and not give a fuck. Blood work was fucked on tren.
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had to sleep over my blankets for some time, not joking, trying to be funny/witty this is what I deal with.
Only the sleep meds make me forget about that shit to actually be able to sleep.
Fear of going to bed, dying in sleep, not being able to breath... Gonna end this hear, don't wanna put shit in other guys heads they don't have.
This is why I'm open to meds, this is suffering.
I don't want you to think I'm making fun of you. I'm sorry you've had those experiences, and that is sincere.
Since you already mentioned the bed covers: Can I ask how you thought they would crush you? Did you think there was a logical path toward believing that -- or did your mind simply jump to the crushing part?
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you've laid out some good posts here man, thanks for speaking up, made it easier for me. (that's right, was too much of a pussy too, but I am seeking help and am puting this down here to hopefully be able to report good news when this gets started. Would be nice to encourage others to seek help if they're ready....)
Those of us who have anxiety are lucky to live in the time we do because there are treatments available. Not too many years ago, a person just suffered through it and if it got bad enough, they might end up in a mental hospital/nut house. Ever see the old movie, The Snake Pit? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040806/
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Those of us who have anxiety are lucky to live in the time we do because there are treatments available. Not too many years ago, a person just suffered through it and if it got bad enough, they might end up in a mental hospital/nut house. Ever see the old movie, The Snake Pit? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040806/
Based on your earlier post, you should consider scheduling some volunteer work in the morning (always a strong need, especially in the morning)
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Based on your earlier post, you should consider scheduling some volunteer work in the morning (always a strong need, especially in the morning)
This morning I woke up and got out of bed at 7:30 a.m. So I am making progress. Perhaps the Welbutrin is starting to kick in and relieve some of my depression, hope so.
I agree with your suggestion about volunteer work. Unfortunately, most of my day, seven days a week, is spent taking care of my wife. Every Monday, Wednesday and Friday she's in dialysis for 5 hours. Not a week goes by that she doesn't have a doctor's appointment. There is very little she can do for herself. I do almost all the shopping, meal preparations and household chores as well as play nurse. The few things I'm involved in require my time out of the house only a couple of days a month. The rest of the volunteer work I can do from home using email and the phone. When I attend a monthly board meeting as chair, our daughter steps in and becomes that day's caregiver for her mother. In a good month, I might have 3 days off.
I am not complaining. If things were reversed, my wife would do the same for me. Fortunately, my health is excellent. It would really be difficult if we both suffered ill health.
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When does your wife usually wake up, Prime?
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When does your wife usually wake up, Prime?
Depends on when she goes to bed. Lately it's been about 9:30 p.m. She's been getting up around 7:30 or 8:00 a.m. She's not dressed and out of the bedroom for a least and hour because everything she does taxes her physically so she moves very slowly.
We each need some private time. Our house is pretty big which facilitates this, but each of us having a varied sleep schedule insures some alone time.
Like the ad says, "I've fallen and I can't get up" applies here. She's prone to losing her balance even though she uses a rollalator (it's a walker with wheels). I need to be in ear shot should this happen because she literally cannot get up, due to the fact that her legs have no strength and almost no muscle. She has bum knees caused by osteoarthritis which required knee replacement several years ago. She refuses to get one of those gadgets where she can notify someone should she fall. I tried to get her to carry a cell phone in her pocket so she could at least call someone. This was several years ago. The phone never leaves the charger. She's never used it. She doesn't carry it.
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ive lived with anxiety and anxiety attacks for YEARS now. It fuken sux. The meds im on now help quite well but theres still days when out of the blue for no reason it hits.
For those saying you have to face your fears and such...to a point yes youre right but its not that easy.
OP if u wanna chat about it at all feel free to PM me.....or anyone who suffers really
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Yes, so that's a reason to get up earlier for sure.
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And some people don't grow out of things. There are plenty of people who are older and are still VERY anxious. The difference is the anxiety is manifested differently, but its still there. In your 20's, you may be anxious about school and finding a job, then in your 40's, it may be about your children. Nonetheless, it has not gone away, its just manifested differently. Of course a healthy amount of anxiety is okay, but not when it becomes excessive.
Would you say it becomes excessive at the point it becomes illogical?
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Yes, so that's a reason to get up earlier for sure.
I am a light sleeper. If she should fall before I'm up, I'd hear her.
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ive lived with anxiety and anxiety attacks for YEARS now. It fuken sux. The meds im on now help quite well but theres still days when out of the blue for no reason it hits.
For those saying you have to face your fears and such...to a point yes youre right but its not that easy.
OP if u wanna chat about it at all feel free to PM me.....or anyone who suffers really
I have anxiety but pretty mild compared to most. For me it helps to just remind myself that it's just anxiety and also to run. Running is a great anxiety cure for me.
I remember when I was 21 and would bing drink more often. I had an anxiety episode while drunk downtown at a club, very weird feeling. Like I just didn't give a fuck hard to explain but I remember it was just super weird like I had no fears.
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I have anxiety but pretty mild compared to most. For me it helps to just remind myself that it's just anxiety and also to run. Running is a great anxiety cure for me.
I remember when I was 21 and would bing drink more often. I had an anxiety episode while drunk downtown at a club, very weird feeling. Like I just didn't give a fuck hard to explain but I remember it was just super weird like I had no fears.
ive been away from the gym for quite a few years now. My doc keeps telling me to get back at it and it will help a lot(like u with running).
With me, when im drinking i have no anxiety at all. Guess it kinda relaxes me??
The worst for me is when nothing stressful is going on. I can just be sitting home watching tv, playing video games or whatever and this "panic" just hits. Brutal
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ive been away from the gym for quite a few years now. My doc keeps telling me to get back at it and it will help a lot(like u with running).
With me, when im drinking i have no anxiety at all. Guess it kinda relaxes me??
The worst for me is when nothing stressful is going on. I can just be sitting home watching tv, playing video games or whatever and this "panic" just hits. Brutal
What is the panic like?
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A panic attack is extremely painful, hard to explain, I think you have to experience it to understand it.
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you dont need friends. you dont need to be social. All you need is the iron
(http://i.imgur.com/niVll.jpg)
This.
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Would you say it becomes excessive at the point it becomes illogical?
Not really. You can have an excessive amount of anxiety and still be logical. However, you can also be excessively anxious to the point of being illogical.
One way to define if it is excessive or not is whether or not it affects daily functioning. There are many people who are extremely anxious, but are still able to function. Others are then crippled by the same amount of anxiety, or less.
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I'll share my beta stuff with you guys.
Some times I'm the light of the party, some times I'm suicidal and very paranoid. Not as paranoid as paranoid skitzophrenic, I don't hear any voices in my head or see any hallucinations, but I can be super paranoid and could get depressed from the slightest obstacle. I imagine in my mind the worst case scenario's and I can't sleep, I can't eat and I'd get endorfin rush by imagining killing people and it would be mental to even go outside and I can't get anything done. Sometimes I think everyone has something against me, and the shit I tell people just makes people distant from me. People avoid me and look at me strange.
I guess when you don't need to worry about heat, water, food or general survival, you get... this, lol :D. I've been like this for my entire life.
I know all of the above is the product of my imagination because I've gotten used to quitting, so I've never really built my character by finishing the unpleasant but productive stuff everyone should do, so of course one gets depressed or anxious. When you get used to quitting, you won't even try after that, and you stop believing your self, and you start thinking negatively about yourself. And then you get depressed. And medication won't give you permanent relief, you only need to get shit done. The stuff that you quit you should start again no matter how boring and difficult it might seem, it's the only way away from this type of misery.
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devilsmile,
i think what you wrote is at the root of why people feel unfulfilled. Your are at least aware of what you need to do to ever feel it. Do those things you never did. Just pick one and do it. Move on from there.
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devilsmile,
i think what you wrote is at the root of why people feel unfulfilled. Your are at least aware of what you need to do to ever feel it. Do those things you never did. Just pick one and do it. Move on from there.
Precisely, but I should have been whooped more as a child because I'm lazy as fuck. Depression can cause it but I could have some shitty ass genes too. You never know. Lazy could be another word for being stupid. You can be as much of a smart ass as you can, as knowledgeable as you can, but if your cognitive part is zero, well, then bad luck :D
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I'll share my beta stuff with you guys.
I know all of the above is the product of my imagination because I've gotten used to quitting, so I've never really built my character by finishing the unpleasant but productive stuff everyone should do, so of course one gets depressed or anxious. When you get used to quitting, you won't even try after that, and you stop believing your self, and you start thinking negatively about yourself. And then you get depressed. And medication won't give you permanent relief, you only need to get shit done. The stuff that you quit you should start again no matter how boring and difficult it might seem, it's the only way away from this type of misery.
this is good words right here. I think thats how it starts.
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What is the panic like?
shortness of breathe
chest tightens a bit
insides racing like a mother fker...can make u almost feel nauseous
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Try Cognitive Behavior Therapy first...
I've seen it work wonders.. and it will keep the monkey off your back
If worse comes to worse, there are meds that truly do take away the agony and allow you to live, but there is a price..
So, in summary, it comes to this: Benefit to Risk ratios. Doesn't it always?
If you wanna live your life, you may have to be a victim to a pill... unless the CBT works. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. It is a process.. whereas the meds are an immediate relief.
Try CBT. That's my choice... first.
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shortness of breathe
chest tightens a bit
insides racing like a mother fker...can make u almost feel nauseous
Same for me. It actually triggers atrial flutter in me. If I don't keep anxiety under control it could cause me to have a stroke or heart failure according to my doctor.
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Its not that i mind talking to people, just constantly consumed with how im interacting and how its affecting others around me to the point that its semi-crippling
Is that the only area you have anxiety in? what about presentations? any rituals? checking shit?
does if feel like you can't stop the thoughts even though you want to? are they intrusive? are you a boi or girl.
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Not really. You can have an excessive amount of anxiety and still be logical. However, you can also be excessively anxious to the point of being illogical.
One way to define if it is excessive or not is whether or not it affects daily functioning. There are many people who are extremely anxious, but are still able to function. Others are then crippled by the same amount of anxiety, or less.
Logical about the subject that's causing a given bout of anxiety to occur?
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Logical about the subject that's causing a given bout of anxiety to occur?
yes.
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yes.
How can it be explained, when a particular fear is so unrealistic?
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How can it be explained, when a particular fear is so unrealistic?
what do you mean?
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what do you mean?
That a sufferer of this could be using logic.
I'm trying to imagine a point that someone could hold a reasoned bearing, while also being seen as (or believe themselves to be) a victim of this problem. Shouldn't it be one or the other?
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SF1900, just to be clear, you answered yes to this:
Logical about the subject that's causing a given bout of anxiety to occur?
That's what I'm trying to understand.
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It's called being self-aware. It goes along with having some semblance of intelligence. Would you rather be this way or like the loud obnoxious douche bags that seem to either not know or not care that they are subjecting everyone in earshot of them to their retarded nonsense. Be grateful and stop looking at it as a negative, just try not to let it control your interactions to the point of being paralyzed.
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Will study it more on my own. I'll admit it looks like a paper tiger from the outside. Judging by this thread, at least.
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I don't want you to think I'm making fun of you. I'm sorry you've had those experiences, and that is sincere.
Since you already mentioned the bed covers: Can I ask how you thought they would crush you? Did you think there was a logical path toward believing that -- or did your mind simply jump to the crushing part?
All good man. My chest is often feeling tight and weight on me makes me feel uncomfortable. This is where my zopicone comes in.
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All good man. My chest is often feeling tight and weight on me makes me feel uncomfortable. This is where my zopicone comes in.
When you were experiencing that, did you truly think the covers would crush you to death? If so, did you ask yourself if they could actually crush you to death?
If you don't want to answer, no problem. I'm just trying to get a better understanding.
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It's called being self-aware. It goes along with having some semblance of intelligence. Would you rather be this way or like the loud obnoxious douche bags that seem to either not know or not care that they are subjecting everyone in earshot of them to their retarded nonsense. Be grateful and stop looking at it as a negative, just try not to let it control your interactions to the point of being paralyzed.
I am some what jealous of them in a strange way. How comfortable they are with themselves
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When you were experiencing that, did you truly think the covers would crush you to death? If so, did you ask yourself if they could actually crush you to death?
If you don't want to answer, no problem. I'm just trying to get a better understanding.
truely? good question as i know that is not possible just know the pressure feels unbearable. Feel trapped? Sometimes, can envision being in trapped under rock boulders or weird things like that. Or being locked in a tanning bed or some torture like situation.
Could not even wear a heavy jacket when I went out to take a walk. Bugs me enough, I can't sleep. Weed used to relieve all this, no longer does. Actually often felt uncomfortable lying down, yet exhausted when standing from the lack of sleep and all.
So anything of weight on me, especially while lying down (often feels I'd need to elevate the bed to make me feel comfortable, like my head is forward too much) if that makes any sense....
Was even sleeping on the couch for a while just to be in more of an elevated position but then you don't really sleep well on a couch, so after I'd wake up, would dart to my bed and hope I fall asleep before I think of feeling tilted forward too much.
Hope none of this makes me sound too crazy or anything as I know I'M not nuts, lol!
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It's like you feel a need to repel or resist physical pressure. That is very interesting, Ritch.
But when it comes down to it, you say you know they can't actually crush you to death, but you just can't stand to have covers on you.
What would have happened if you chose temperature/climate control (to make it so you can sleep w/o covers), instead of the Zopiclone?
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It's like you feel a need to repel or resist physical pressure. That is very interesting, Ritch.
But when it comes down to it, you say you know they can't actually crush you to death, but you just can't stand to have covers on you.
What would have happened if you chose temperature/climate control (to make it so you can sleep w/o covers), instead of the Zopiclone?
Sometimes you can't logically reason your way out of an emotional reaction. Many people often know that their thoughts are illogical or irrational and leading to negative emotions. However, it doesn't mean that a change from illogical to logical will always lead to a change in emotional content.
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Ritch, do you think you could have sleep apnea? Thinking about the issue where you feel your head is too far forward.
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Sometimes you can't logically reason your way out of an emotional reaction. Many people often know that their thoughts are illogical or irrational and leading to negative emotions. However, it doesn't mean that a change from illogical to logical will always lead to a change in emotional content.
I understand. That's what makes me think it is a form of self-hatred (for lack of a less blunt term)
If you (a hypothetical person) tell yourself it is completely unnecessary and damaging to think this way: don't you trust yourself?
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I understand. That's what makes me think it is a form of self-hatred (for lack of a less blunt term)
If you (a hypothetical person) tell yourself it is completely unnecessary and damaging to think this way: don't you trust yourself?
It most likely has nothing to do with self-hatred.
And it has nothing to do with trusting yourself or not.
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Ritch, do you think you could have sleep apnea? Thinking about the issue where you feel your head is too far forward.
People who have it don't know!
How do I find out?
But possible, especially when I get to 225 or over. But hard for me to maintain that. Missing a meal will lower my weight a few lbs the very next day....
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It most likely has nothing to do with self-hatred.
And it has nothing to do with trusting yourself or not.
Then why don't they trust themselves?
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People who have it don't know!
How do I find out?
But possible, especially when I get to 225 or over. But hard for me to maintain that. Missing a meal will lower my weight a few lbs the very next day....
It could be a big part of your problem at night. The doctor can verify it, and treatment could change your life like you've never felt before. You can adjust off the drug that way, too.
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It could be a big part of your problem at night. The doctor can verify it, and treatment could change your life like you've never felt before. You can adjust off the drug that way, too.
Could be, can bring that up, but does not explain my other problems.
But when I wake up, often feel startled, the need to get outta bed and walk around. Then I feel weird as I feel like a weirdo pacing his place which pretty much is what I'm doing, lol! Sometimes, I'll go take a walk, come back in smoke another joint and just hope I can have that moment of letting go and falling alseep....
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Could be, can bring that up, but does not explain my other problems.
But when I wake up, often feel startled, the need to get outta bed and walk around. Then I feel weird as I feel like a weirdo pacing his place which pretty much is what I'm doing, lol! Sometimes, I'll go take a walk, come back in smoke another joint and just hope I can have that moment of letting go and falling alseep....
If you have accumulated fatigue, your mind will fall apart on you. No telling what tricks your brain will play.
I think you should start by finding out if you have apnea. At the very least, you can begin to put things in perspective that way. Sleep apnea can kill you, so it's something that should be on your radar no matter what.
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If you have accumulated fatigue, your mind will fall apart on you. No telling what tricks your brain will play.
I think you should start by finding out if you have apnea. At the very least, you can begin to put things in perspective that way. Sleep apnea can kill you, so it's something that should be on your radar no matter what.
I need a family doc for that I think. Can't use walk in clinics, or can I? Not sure, but I don't have a family doc.
Need to get on waiting list...
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I need a family doc for that I think. Can't use walk in clinics, or can I? Not sure, but I don't have a family doc.
Need to get on waiting list...
Yes, I think a clinic would give you a referral.
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Yes, I think a clinic would give you a referral.
I've asked every clinic for family doc referal. Everyone is full, need to be put on waiting list. And no way would they see me as a priority. But... Gonna do it anyway as time will pass anyhow...
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I've asked every clinic for family doc referal. Everyone is full, need to be put on waiting list. And no way would they see me as a priority. But... Gonna do it anyway as time will pass anyhow...
I thought you were European?
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I thought you were European?
LOL!
ya messin' with me, right?
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And I defintely agree about how time passes. So many things seem like too much of a hassle to start, because they will take too long. But as you say, the time will pass either way.
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LOL!
ya messin' with me, right?
Lol, no. I might have mistaken you for someone else.
Thanks for that statement about time, btw. That really got me thinking. It's one of the most valuable lessons in life, when taken seriously.
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Lol, no. I might have mistaken you for someone else.
Thanks for that statement about time, btw. That really got me thinking. It's one of the most valuable lessons in life, when taken seriously.
Nothing like spending time on Getbig and that is something we all take seriously, lol!
But no joke, this place has some good folks, never thought I'd have people give a shit about such stuff discussed here.
Thanks Mr thong for starting it, some good replies here and stuff said from people I never thought others felt.
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Don't feel bad. The batshit loony trophy goes to eternally concerned citizen Las Vegas. Who probably lives in London.
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Don't feel bad. The batshit loony trophy goes to eternally concerned citizen Las Vegas. Who probably lives in London.
Getbig's way of saying "you're a good dude" lol!
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Sometimes anxiety is warranted. I got a call this afternoon reminding me of a commitment I'd completely spaced on coming up tomorrow. I've already made other plans that I cannot change so I won't be attending the day long meeting out of town. Furthermore, I am the secretary/treasurer on this board and I needed to get the minutes from the last meeting out as well as the latest treasurer's report. Unfortunately, we'd planned a family dinner out at Olive Garden tonight. I just finished up with all the information I needed to email the other board member a few minutes ago. I was feeling very anxious most of the evening this evening.
This type of anxiety can be explained and makes sense. What doesn't make sense is when I suffer a panic attack and there is nothing going on to panic over. I hate that the symptoms are physical as well and mental. It is not a comfortable feeling. I remember feeling like I was going to pass out. Probably because I have literally passed out when I had severe anxiety in the past. Both times it was in public. One time at a bus stop when I was 16 years old and another time it was at a Ray Charles concert attended by hoards of people. It was the crowd that sent me into a panic.
When I realized I'd spent over $2,000 today it gave me a moment of panic that at this rate I'd go broke. Fortunately, I don't tap my bank account this heavily everyday. Another example of justified anxiety.
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Getbig's way of saying "you're a good dude" lol!
Mmmm, in this case more like 'you'll troll until the wheels come off.' I watched him haunt Prime for like 8 pages, ever so softly. The kid's got endurance and enough crazy to put it to use.
It's actually not a bad gimmick considering I reckon it's Joon. It's a little gross that he does it in serious topics, but I appreciate that nothing is sacred here. He walks the tightrope pretty well between being annoying and being concerned. So well that no one ever just tells him to fuck off and mind his own business, even when it's clear they've had more than enough of him, lol.
Must be my paranoia flaring up again. But I wouldn't be sharing any details with that guy.
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Furthermore, I am the secretary/treasurer on this board and I needed to get the minutes from the last meeting out as well as the latest treasurer's report.
I don't want to tell you your job but I've never seen a single report from you. What do we have in the coffers at the moment? I trust we can still afford the cruise this year now that all your spending sprees are over?
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I don't want to tell you your job but I've never seen a single report from you. What do we have in the coffers at the moment? I trust we can still afford the cruise this year now that all your spending sprees are over?
Ha, ha! This is a great post.
About all we could do is cruise around the block with the funds from this association. If we tapped into my personal finances we could go a bit further. How about Hawaii when the weather sucks at home? Another corporation where I chair the board, we have many more $ in the bank. Sadly, I cannot legally sign checks paying for personal cruises without risking going to jail.
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Pfff. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. There's no extradition from international waters. I say buy the yacht and set sail for Destiny! Damn the torpedoes!
If you're gonna beat anxiety you might as well do it in style.
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Pfff. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. There's no extradition from international waters. I say buy the yacht and set sail for Destiny! Damn the torpedoes!
If you're gonna beat anxiety you might as well do it in style.
Ha, ha. I'm a seasoned worrier. If I followed your advice (which I admit seems like fun) I'd have the anxiety attack to end all and probably my life. I actually derive peace of mind from obeying the law....weird, I know.
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Probably not quite what you are looking for but maybe you'll find something here:
http://www.artofmanliness.com/tag/depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/03/16/the-history-of-depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/03/31/managing-depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/03/09/leashing-the-black-dog-my-struggle-with-depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2009/09/01/dealing-with-male-depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/03/23/what-causes-depression/
http://www.artofmanliness.com/2015/03/24/leashing-the-black-dog-the-symptoms-of-depression/
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Dude this is so funny because I have the same EXACT problem. Try to get a vyvanse prescription from your doctor for some reason it puts me in a great mood all day and it makes me anxiety A LOT better and is much safer than Xanax or other anxiety meds. Another example for me is when I'm in class at university I sit in the middle and I feel like everyone is just staring at me and I get super bad anxiety so I always try to stay in the back of the class so I make sure I don't feel like that. I take vyvanse now to help with school and I must say it helps tremendously because now I sit dead in the middle of the class and don't even think about people looking at me anymore. I know exactly how you feel and I'm not saying you need to take the same thing I am to help cope with your anxiety it's just something that worked for me really well so I thought I would just let you know
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How can it be explained, when a particular fear is so unrealistic?
You need to do some more research brother.
Check out the "Sympathetic" and the "Parasympathetic" nervous system. It will give you a much better understanding of what sets things off.
Most of what occurs begins in the frontal lobe, the eyes. It's how you react mentally to your visual cues and also how your Adrenaline flows... out of control. Your mind is a powerful tool. How many times have you heard this? Well, it's true. You can either learn to douse the fire or let it feed itself out of control until your blood pressure is up, a few fearful things are thought of and spoken out loud,and the next thing you know, you are in the midst of a full-blown panic attack.
At the same time, you can look at a cat... sleeping. How many milliseconds does it take that cat (if startled) to be up on it's feet and gone? Prepped for a fight?
And then, after the incident, how long does it take the cat to fall into a restful sleep as if nothing ever happened?
This is the Sympathetic/Parasympathetic nervous system at work to its fullest. Humans can learn to develop their skills also.
Excessive thinking and O.C.D. do not help the situation, but you can start by controlling your thoughts away from what is bothering you and learn to let things go a bit when it comes to the O.C.D. stuff. You don't have to be a pig, but you can let your socks sit on top of your shoes for a moment... or two.
You have only the moment. You have control of what you will think about. You have 24 hours in a day. 8 of those hours can be spent asleep. Deal with only what you have. Don't think about the next day until it's time to do so.
Planning ahead is great... until it consumes you, and then you find that your plans have taken on a drastic change that had absolutely nothing to do with any decisions you made.
All the worry in the world changes nothing... so don't.
The Beatles said it best: "Let it Be..."
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You need to do some more research brother.
Check out the "Sympathetic" and the "Parasympathetic" nervous system. It will give you a much better understanding of what sets things off.
Most of what occurs begins in the frontal lobe, the eyes. It's how you react mentally to your visual cues and also how your Adrenaline flows... out of control. Your mind is a powerful tool. How many times have you heard this? Well, it's true. You can either learn to douse the fire or let it feed itself out of control until your blood pressure is up, a few fearful things are thought of and spoken out loud,and the next thing you know, you are in the midst of a full-blown panic attack.
At the same time, you can look at a cat... sleeping. How many milliseconds does it take that cat (if startled) to be up on it's feet and gone? Prepped for a fight?
And then, after the incident, how long does it take the cat to fall into a restful sleep as if nothing ever happened?
This is the Sympathetic/Parasympathetic nervous system at work to its fullest. Humans can learn to develop their skills also.
Excessive thinking and O.C.D. do not help the situation, but you can start by controlling your thoughts away from what is bothering you and learn to let things go a bit when it comes to the O.C.D. stuff. You don't have to be a pig, but you can let your socks sit on top of your shoes for a moment... or two.
You have only the moment. You have control of what you will think about. You have 24 hours in a day. 8 of those hours can be spent asleep. Deal with only what you have. Don't think about the next day until it's time to do so.
Planning ahead is great... until it consumes you, and then you find that your plans have taken on a drastic change that had absolutely nothing to do with any decisions you made.
All the worry in the world changes nothing... so don't.
The Beatles said it best: "Let it Be..."
Sounds like some pretty solid advice. You choose what occupies your mind, make it something positive.
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You need to do some more research brother.
Check out the "Sympathetic" and the "Parasympathetic" nervous system. It will give you a much better understanding of what sets things off.
Most of what occurs begins in the frontal lobe, the eyes. It's how you react mentally to your visual cues and also how your Adrenaline flows... out of control. Your mind is a powerful tool. How many times have you heard this? Well, it's true. You can either learn to douse the fire or let it feed itself out of control until your blood pressure is up, a few fearful things are thought of and spoken out loud,and the next thing you know, you are in the midst of a full-blown panic attack.
At the same time, you can look at a cat... sleeping. How many milliseconds does it take that cat (if startled) to be up on it's feet and gone? Prepped for a fight?
And then, after the incident, how long does it take the cat to fall into a restful sleep as if nothing ever happened?
This is the Sympathetic/Parasympathetic nervous system at work to its fullest. Humans can learn to develop their skills also.
Excessive thinking and O.C.D. do not help the situation, but you can start by controlling your thoughts away from what is bothering you and learn to let things go a bit when it comes to the O.C.D. stuff. You don't have to be a pig, but you can let your socks sit on top of your shoes for a moment... or two.
You have only the moment. You have control of what you will think about. You have 24 hours in a day. 8 of those hours can be spent asleep. Deal with only what you have. Don't think about the next day until it's time to do so.
Planning ahead is great... until it consumes you, and then you find that your plans have taken on a drastic change that had absolutely nothing to do with any decisions you made.
All the worry in the world changes nothing... so don't.
The Beatles said it best: "Let it Be..."
Thank you brother. I've been thinking a lot about what SF1900 said here:
Sometimes you can't logically reason your way out of an emotional reaction. Many people often know that their thoughts are illogical or irrational and leading to negative emotions. However, it doesn't mean that a change from illogical to logical will always lead to a change in emotional content.
It's almost looking like a war between an emotional state and a logical state, with the emotional state clubbing to death the logical state.
I will look at sympathetic vs. parasympathetic. Thank you, dyslexic.
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And Ritch, I meant a referral to a someone that knows sleep disorders. But I'm not exactly sure how that process would work.
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You don't need to read any of it, Tapeworm.
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You don't need to read any of it, Tapeworm.
I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. Dry your eyes, mate.
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If it is ADHD, OCD etc then no thinking or acting in anyway will not remove the symptoms.These are neurodevelopmental disorders, present from birth and has all kinds of genetic and structural differences in the brain compared to those without.
The brain is an organ, well comprised of many organs ostensibly, it can get sick.
I have OCD and it's nothing I can stop , think out of etc. When it is bad i can't think my own thoughts, just constant intrusive thoughts that interrupt my normal thinking. I could be reading a book and if it's bad I will think about a pain in my back maybe 100 times, I am not concerned about my back logical, it's illogical, the key part of OCD. It has waxed and waned but will never go away, it's a disease, it runs in my family. As a child I would be in existential crisis after crisis, the thoughts are absurd also in there severity. I "know" they are not my thoughts, yet when they hit it feels like everyone I know has died, there is a physical reaction, I can ignore it, move to something else but there is an uneasy dread as if nothing is right.
As a kid I would do an hourly routine at night to ensure everyone is safe. Check the taps, the cats, the fridge, the stove etc. Sometimes when it was really bad (like 12-15) I would stand over the stove with tears running down my face trying to stop touching the stove but I was stuck, checking it, looking away, feeling for heat, twisting the gauges, for over an hour. The other cruel thing about OCD is it correlates with a very high declarative memory and IQ, which only worsens things, scenarios that are so divergent they are ludicrous and completely foreign to me.
Other issues are the intrusive thoughts, for example if I was about to cross the street, my brain would give me the image of a bus hitting and killing me, it just pops in your head and it's vivid and real, as real as your own thoughts. Or knife on the counter would give me the image of stabbing my mother to death, the thoughts are always distressing and conflict with my core values.
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I took Valium for 2-3 months to minimize side effects from taking my meds for chronic liver disease. That stuff was great but made me very sleepy. Too bad the doctor wouldn't allow me to stay on it.
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I'm sorry. I didn't mean it. Dry your eyes, mate.
It doesn't bother me at all, Tapeworm. You can fire away if that's what you want to do. That's life.
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...it's illogical, the key part of OCD.... I "know" they are not my thoughts, yet when they hit it feels like everyone I know has died....
Necrosis, is this a case of an emotional state totally overwhelming a logical state, due to the disorder? (I'm not trying to say someone can "out-think" it...just asking)
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I actually went through a phase (1 year) of suffering from anxiety and panic attacks, the first one came on me when I was at the end of a day at work and in the middle of a diet. I had not eaten for hours, drank loads of caffeine and stupidly at the time used a pre-workout that contained yohimbine(a substance actually used to induce anxiety attacks in lab rats), I felt like I was dying of a heart attack and went to hospital, after 5 minutes in the hospital I felt normal again, my life also contained a lot of stress at that time.
After that incident I suffered continual anxiety and even took an anti-depressant citalopram for 6 months, which did nothing but perhaps a placebo effect. It felt like I would never overcome it at the time but fortunately I have stronger than average willpower and through positive thinking and avoiding any feelings of despair I learned to supress it to the point of insignificance.
Coming off the citalopram gave me harsh withdrawals for 2 weeks. Felt so dizzy whenever I was not sitting down that I was convinced I was going to pass out but again through will power I overcame it and defeated my anxiety without them, never stopped working throughout this whole process.
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Dude this is so funny because I have the same EXACT problem. Try to get a vyvanse prescription from your doctor for some reason it puts me in a great mood all day and it makes me anxiety A LOT better and is much safer than Xanax or other anxiety meds. Another example for me is when I'm in class at university I sit in the middle and I feel like everyone is just staring at me and I get super bad anxiety so I always try to stay in the back of the class so I make sure I don't feel like that. I take vyvanse now to help with school and I must say it helps tremendously because now I sit dead in the middle of the class and don't even think about people looking at me anymore. I know exactly how you feel and I'm not saying you need to take the same thing I am to help cope with your anxiety it's just something that worked for me really well so I thought I would just let you know
Thanks man im glad im not alone.
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If it is ADHD, OCD etc then no thinking or acting in anyway will not remove the symptoms.These are neurodevelopmental disorders, present from birth and has all kinds of genetic and structural differences in the brain compared to those without.
The brain is an organ, well comprised of many organs ostensibly, it can get sick.
I have OCD and it's nothing I can stop , think out of etc. When it is bad i can't think my own thoughts, just constant intrusive thoughts that interrupt my normal thinking. I could be reading a book and if it's bad I will think about a pain in my back maybe 100 times, I am not concerned about my back logical, it's illogical, the key part of OCD. It has waxed and waned but will never go away, it's a disease, it runs in my family. As a child I would be in existential crisis after crisis, the thoughts are absurd also in there severity. I "know" they are not my thoughts, yet when they hit it feels like everyone I know has died, there is a physical reaction, I can ignore it, move to something else but there is an uneasy dread as if nothing is right.
As a kid I would do an hourly routine at night to ensure everyone is safe. Check the taps, the cats, the fridge, the stove etc. Sometimes when it was really bad (like 12-15) I would stand over the stove with tears running down my face trying to stop touching the stove but I was stuck, checking it, looking away, feeling for heat, twisting the gauges, for over an hour. The other cruel thing about OCD is it correlates with a very high declarative memory and IQ, which only worsens things, scenarios that are so divergent they are ludicrous and completely foreign to me.
Other issues are the intrusive thoughts, for example if I was about to cross the street, my brain would give me the image of a bus hitting and killing me, it just pops in your head and it's vivid and real, as real as your own thoughts. Or knife on the counter would give me the image of stabbing my mother to death, the thoughts are always distressing and conflict with my core values.
i have OCD, ADHD (and mild Tourettes)...and yes your right these go hand-in-hand with anxiety. I can remember as far back as grade 5 and having anxiety issues
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For many, it starts with breathing. Are you breathing correctly? Many of us tend to shallow breathe or continuously inhale without exhaling enough. Eventually, the nervous system releases the autonomic arousal and the chemical reaction begins of panic anxiety. I use a breathe right strip every night, bought a proper pillow and adjusted my sleep height just right. I've noticed that I'm getting quality sleep and I don't fall apart during the day with the "fatigue" which leads to anxiety. Whenever I remember, I practice proper breathing exercises with very long exhales. It seems to reset my nervous system.
Also, when you feel it, do anything to distract yourself. Panic is like flooring your car with the brake on. You need to spin out that energy surge.. even if it's just organizing paperwork or cleaning a closet. Just continue to shut it down and distract yourself by doing things that won't get you even more amped up.
Of course, there are so many possibilities and triggers for anxiety, but oxygen is the most important thing we require to stay alive. Start with breathing/positive distractions and see what happens.
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From above:
Eventually, the nervous system releases the autonomic arousal and the chemical reaction begins of panic anxiety
Yes. Dyslexic's advice is gold, about studying the sympathetic and parasympathetic system if you want to understand why it's difficult to control.
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Good post, viking1.
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Speaking of mental health issues, does anyone else feel numb? Like completely emotionally numb like you could get terrible news and not even cry or show emotion?
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Speaking of mental health issues, does anyone else feel numb? Like completely emotionally numb like you could get terrible news and not even cry or show emotion?
no, not for me.
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Speaking of mental health issues, does anyone else feel numb? Like completely emotionally numb like you could get terrible news and not even cry or show emotion?
I've worried about this issue. I am so logical that I tend to leave emotions out of the picture. It infuriates my family. I didn't get emotional when my mom died, yet she was like a best friend and a sometimes mom. My stepfather was my mentor, I didn't feel any sorrow when he died. My sister died young. Her death was unfortunate and happened with in weeks of the discovery of lung cancer. I am not sure how I will react if my wife, who is very ill, dies.
My mom made many attempts to commit suicide. I'd geared myself up for her eventual death although she didn't end her own life. My stepfather's death followed a short illness and was unexpected. My sister was like my mom, always doing things that kills people....she was a drug attic and an alcoholic. My wife has been seriously ill for years and it is amazing she's survived as long as she has. See how the logic works?
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I've worried about this issue. I am so logical that I tend to leave emotions out of the picture. It infuriates my family. I didn't get emotional when my mom died, yet she was like a best friend and a sometimes mom. My stepfather was my mentor, I didn't feel any sorrow when he died. My sister died young. Her death was unfortunate and happened with in weeks of the discovery of lung cancer. I am not sure how I will react if my wife, who is very ill, dies.
My mom made many attempts to commit suicide. I'd geared myself up for her eventual death although she didn't end her own life. My stepfather's death followed a short illness and was unexpected. My sister was like my mom, always doing things that kills people....she was a drug attic and an alcoholic. My wife has been seriously ill for years and it is amazing she's survived as long as she has. See how the logic works?
Yes I'm very similar to this. Also I think about death a lot so I think it "prepares" me more than others, so when tragedy happens I don't seem as emotional as others.
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Necrosis, is this a case of an emotional state totally overwhelming a logical state, due to the disorder? (I'm not trying to say someone can "out-think" it...just asking)
I would argue it is, I know that the stove is off, I know that the house is fine (in fact I would berate myself). There appears to be something wrong in the limbic system, fearful thoughts normally saved for survival etc lack inhibition and just flood through.
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Speaking of mental health issues, does anyone else feel numb? Like completely emotionally numb like you could get terrible news and not even cry or show emotion?
A flat affect is a sign of depression.
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I would argue it is, I know that the stove is off, I know that the house is fine (in fact I would berate myself). There appears to be something wrong in the limbic system, fearful thoughts normally saved for survival etc lack inhibition and just flood through.
Sometimes when one excessively worries about these things, it OCDC creeping in. I've drive back home a number of times because I imagine I left the garage door open....never once was that the case.
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A flat affect is a sign of depression.
Not always. Sometimes people just aren't emotional.
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This morning I woke up and got out of bed at 7:30 a.m. So I am making progress. Perhaps the Welbutrin is starting to kick in and relieve some of my depression, hope so.
I agree with your suggestion about volunteer work. Unfortunately, most of my day, seven days a week, is spent taking care of my wife. Every Monday, Wednesday and Friday she's in dialysis for 5 hours. Not a week goes by that she doesn't have a doctor's appointment. There is very little she can do for herself. I do almost all the shopping, meal preparations and household chores as well as play nurse. The few things I'm involved in require my time out of the house only a couple of days a month. The rest of the volunteer work I can do from home using email and the phone. When I attend a monthly board meeting as chair, our daughter steps in and becomes that day's caregiver for her mother. In a good month, I might have 3 days off.
I am not complaining. If things were reversed, my wife would do the same for me. Fortunately, my health is excellent. It would really be difficult if we both suffered ill health.
You are a good man.
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I would argue it is, I know that the stove is off, I know that the house is fine (in fact I would berate myself). There appears to be something wrong in the limbic system, fearful thoughts normally saved for survival etc lack inhibition and just flood through.
Thank you, Necrosis.
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Glad this topic is still going.
Sometimes it is just as soothing to talk about the issues you are experiencing.
Finding that there are others who are suffering, realizing that you are not alone.
We, as men, tend to want to shove our feelings of fear away as if it makes us less masculine.
I can tell you from experience that even if your anxiety or depression is crippling you... you can still fight, and when I say "fight" I mean fight.
When the fight is over, you come to a realization. You feel better.
Why?
Because you realize that you aren't as crippled as you thought.
You want to know another trick? It's rare, but it works. Go to a convalescent home and just sit and listen for a moment.
You won't believe what you hear.
Then go find someone who has aged.. I mean 'really' aged... like 90 years old. Make sure it is someone who's body has aged, but their mental faculties are still there.
Engage them in a conversation. Trust me, they are literally DYING to talk to someone, visit with someone, share life experiences with SOMEONE. Their fucking families (sorry) act as if it is a chore to go and see them.
Picture them, 30, 40 years back. Realize that they were probably vibrant, strong, caring for a family, carrying the weight of the world...
They will have life experiences that you have not yet had.
They will have answers to questions that nobody else has.
You will leave with a new friend. You will leave appreciating your youth and vitality.
They will know how to calm your nerves.
Not enough people visit the elderly in this country. In other countries, they are worshipped and taken care of... in their own homes. The families and children gather together at night to listen to the wisdom of the elders.
Sometimes we are so ignorant in this country.
When you want to learn something new, you have to go to the ones who know. Learning the hard way takes too long. Learning the hard way can be dangerous.
Learning from those with experience in whatever it is you want to know is traveling "as the Crow flies.."
Try it. I guarantee it will be a learning experience you will not soon forget.
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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
You seem like the type who holds in a fart until he goes to the bathroom?
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Glad this topic is still going.
Sometimes it is just as soothing to talk about the issues you are experiencing.
Finding that there are others who are suffering, realizing that you are not alone.
We, as men, tend to want to shove our feelings of fear away as if it makes us less masculine.
I can tell you from experience that even if your anxiety or depression is crippling you... you can still fight, and when I say "fight" I mean fight.
When the fight is over, you come to a realization. You feel better.
Why?
Because you realize that you aren't as crippled as you thought.
You want to know another trick? It's rare, but it works. Go to a convalescent home and just sit and listen for a moment.
You won't believe what you hear.
Then go find someone who has aged.. I mean 'really' aged... like 90 years old. Make sure it is someone who's body has aged, but their mental faculties are still there.
Engage them in a conversation. Trust me, they are literally DYING to talk to someone, visit with someone, share life experiences with SOMEONE. Their fucking families (sorry) act as if it is a chore to go and see them.
Picture them, 30, 40 years back. Realize that they were probably vibrant, strong, caring for a family, carrying the weight of the world...
They will have life experiences that you have not yet had.
They will have answers to questions that nobody else has.
You will leave with a new friend. You will leave appreciating your youth and vitality.
They will know how to calm your nerves.
Not enough people visit the elderly in this country. In other countries, they are worshipped and taken care of... in their own homes. The families and children gather together at night to listen to the wisdom of the elders.
Sometimes we are so ignorant in this country.
When you want to learn something new, you have to go to the ones who know. Learning the hard way takes too long. Learning the hard way can be dangerous.
Learning from those with experience in whatever it is you want to know is traveling "as the Crow flies.."
Try it. I guarantee it will be a learning experience you will not soon forget.
I think it's like the 3rd or 4th time I heart part in bold this week. I'm considering it. Just don't wanna commit to something I can't keep up either.
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A flat affect is a sign of depression.
Yea I think this is a big part of it.
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I think it's like the 3rd or 4th time I heart part in bold this week. I'm considering it. Just don't wanna commit to something I can't keep up either.
You don't have to commit...
Unfortunately, they understand.
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I really appreciate your wisdom in this thread, Dyslexic. Very cool.
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dyslexic you old dog! :D
Wise words indeed - props.
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Sometimes when one excessively worries about these things, it OCDC creeping in. I've drive back home a number of times because I imagine I left the garage door open....never once was that the case.
What you are describing is anxiety and uncertainty, perhaps in isolation, could be a host of things. Now if you went to check the garage everyday and couldn't get to where you wanted because of how much you are checking it then it's creeping into OCD. You can feel OCD, you can sense it in people when they are battling it, it's this tension and aloofness that is overwhelming.
It's a ANXIETY disorder, without constant chronic anxiety (it's the worst of the bunch) it's not OCD. if you gain pleasure from rituals, like cleaning etc it's not OCD. I do not want to do these things, the problem is I couldn't stop, hence the disorder.
The way I would look at mental health issues is that it's a magnitude issue, everyone gets sad, everyone gets anxious, however, if you can't leave your bed for weeks , have suicidal ideation etc you are now clinically depressed. Same with OCD, can people be obsessive? of course, can people be compulsive, sure. The problem is that the brain has regulatory mechanisms to stop these things from spiraling out of control (like your pancreas deals with excess sugar, however, in diabetes (type one) the pancreas cannot regulate. Once these regulators are out of control and completely lack homeostatic mechanisms it's a disorder.
only 1% of the population have real OCD, it's like saying you have ADHD(or were being ADHD) because you are having an energetic day, it's treating mental illness like a personality or behavioural issue, it's just not. OCD is present from birth, the nervous system is wired different, it has a familial component as well.
The key is being unable to stop the thoughts/actions despite logic, distraction etc. you want to do something but you can't, it's like trying to walk while paralyzed.
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Not always. Sometimes people just aren't emotional.
Not having emotions is not normal. You are either masking them or are a sociopath. :D I am half assing with you. Trauma etc can do this, but being flat is not a normal state, no joy, no rage etc not normal.
You on meds? any serotonergics?
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What you are describing is anxiety and uncertainty, perhaps in isolation, could be a host of things. Now if you went to check the garage everyday and couldn't get to where you wanted because of how much you are checking it then it's creeping into OCD. You can feel OCD, you can sense it in people when they are battling it, it's this tension and aloofness that is overwhelming.
It's a ANXIETY disorder, without constant chronic anxiety (it's the worst of the bunch) it's not OCD. if you gain pleasure from rituals, like cleaning etc it's not OCD. I do not want to do these things, the problem is I couldn't stop, hence the disorder.
The way I would look at mental health issues is that it's a magnitude issue, everyone gets sad, everyone gets anxious, however, if you can't leave your bed for weeks , have suicidal ideation etc you are now clinically depressed. Same with OCD, can people be obsessive? of course, can people be compulsive, sure. The problem is that the brain has regulatory mechanisms to stop these things from spiraling out of control (like your pancreas deals with excess sugar, however, in diabetes (type one) the pancreas cannot regulate. Once these regulators are out of control and completely lack homeostatic mechanisms it's a disorder.
only 1% of the population have real OCD, it's like saying you have ADHD(or were being ADHD) because you are having an energetic day, it's treating mental illness like a personality or behavioural issue, it's just not. OCD is present from birth, the nervous system is wired different, it has a familial component as well.
The key is being unable to stop the thoughts/actions despite logic, distraction etc. you want to do something but you can't, it's like trying to walk while paralyzed.
I like your comments in this post. Sometimes we are almost too aware of how we are feeling and we over react. Like you said most everyone suffers these symptoms at sometime or another. There can be good reason to be depressed, angry or anxious etc. It is when it seriously starts interfering with your daily life that it is a problem. The trick is to know when it is time to get some help and when one should ride out these symptoms.
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Not having emotions is not normal. You are either masking them or are a sociopath. :D I am half assing with you. Trauma etc can do this, but being flat is not a normal state, no joy, no rage etc not normal.
You on meds? any serotonergics?
Sometimes watching a movie will make me cry. War movies, for instance, do this to me. Father son relationship movies can trigger it. There's probably something to the fact that extraneous stuff like this brings about an emotional response while real life situations don't. I suspect it is because in real life I want to remain strong.
It's convoluted, but I am not planing on going into therapy for this. I've considered the possibility that I might be a sociopath, but it is more likely that I am masking my emotions regarding real events. It's too long a story, but I learned to do this early on in life in order to survive unpleasant situations emotionally. These days, there are a lot of things to get emotional about, but I have delegated myself as the one who keeps things together. When a person's health is in in the balance, someone has to maintain a level head.
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Dude, you are normal....
The only difference is, you ain't afraid to talk about shit.
We ALL have our crosses to bear.
We all have those same issues at some point in life whether we admit it or not.
You could be driving along and all of a sudden have a dizzy spell. Never had one before in your life, or maybe you did and just didnt pay it much mind...
But now, you stand up and take notice. You wonder if something is wrong? Your heart starts pounding, you start sweating, you get scared... you realize that maybe you aren't as invincible as you thought... you become more anxious.... the 'fight or flight' syndrome kicks in and you are now on red alert.
Here's the rub: Are you going to trip on this incident from here on out? Waiting, just looking and intensely feeling anything that might resemble this "episode?"... or, are you gonna let it go and move on with your life?
If you choose to obsess, trust me when I say, your mind will be more than happy to accommodate you in this venture.
There are actually people in this world who feel like total dog shit every second of every day, but they never say a word and even if they know what is causing them to feel this way, they don't stop that either. Why? Maybe because their daddy's taught them that you live, you work, you die and nothing gets in your way, ever. Or maybe they just dont give a fuck.
For those who feel that maybe they are attached to their kids, wives, girlfriends, grandkids, life.. whatever... maybe they feel they have something to lose and suddenly they feel that life is "fragile" just like everyone say's... so they spend their life... or should I say "they stop living".... now fear controls them.
Meanwhile, that other dude who is actually going out of his way to fuck himself up is just motating along as if nothing is wrong without a care in the world.
I know this isn't addressing the issue directly, but it is something to think about.
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Dude, you are normal....
The only difference is, you ain't afraid to talk about shit.
We ALL have our crosses to bear.
We all have those same issues at some point in life whether we admit it or not.
You could be driving along and all of a sudden have a dizzy spell. Never had one before in your life, or maybe you did and just didnt pay it much mind...
But now, you stand up and take notice. You wonder if something is wrong? Your heart starts pounding, you start sweating, you get scared... you realize that maybe you aren't as invincible as you thought... you become more anxious.... the 'fight or flight' syndrome kicks in and you are now on red alert.
Here's the rub: Are you going to trip on this incident from here on out? Waiting, just looking and intensely feeling anything that might resemble this "episode?"... or, are you gonna let it go and move on with your life?
If you choose to obsess, trust me when I say, your mind will be more than happy to accommodate you in this venture.
There are actually people in this world who feel like total dog shit every second of every day, but they never say a word and even if they know what is causing them to feel this way, they don't stop that either. Why? Maybe because their daddy's taught them that you live, you work, you die and nothing gets in your way, ever. Or maybe they just dont give a fuck.
For those who feel that maybe they are attached to their kids, wives, girlfriends, grandkids, life.. whatever... maybe they feel they have something to lose and suddenly they feel that life is "fragile" just like everyone say's... so they spend their life... or should I say "they stop living".... now fear controls them.
Meanwhile, that other dude who is actually going out of his way to fuck himself up is just motating along as if nothing is wrong without a care in the world.
I know this isn't addressing the issue directly, but it is something to think about.
Boy oh boy, did you just hit the nail on the head here with this post. Our minds are a very powerful tool. I am a huge fan of positive thinking. It will get you out of a lot of shit that comes with just being alive.
Family is great when you don't obsess over them. Heck, my wife's health issues are well documented on Getbig. I'm her primary caregiver. Sometimes it is a pain and then I remember that there for the grace of God go I and taking care of her becomes more fulfilling then a burden. I remind myself there are people who have no one to care for and no one who cares for them. It's positive thinking, plain and simple.
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We have 24 hours in a day.
That's all I deal with.
Tomorrow I deal with tomorrow.
If I wake up cool, great. I thank God for that, I don't take it for granted.. and at least I woke up, right?
All the worry in the world...
changes nothing.
I just keep pounding that into my head and it eventually works. The pain and anguish back off a bit and I feel like I'm alive... and I don't take it for granted... and I think of those who live with obvious adversities... every single minute of every single day.
I have friends who are younger than me that are hanging by a thread. They have kids. Grandkids. Homes. Jobs.
They stand to lose everything because of an illness or an injury... something chronic.
If they can live through their day, I can sure live through mine.
I try to see things the way that they really are, but then I realize we can only see things the way we perceive them, the way we make them, accept them... live them.
Some people are truly afflicted and they are suffering. I have to keep that in mind when my low back is killing me and my heart races and the worry kicks in... hell, I don't even know what I'm worried about. I'm just a "worry-wort" I guess. I can worry so bad that my stomach will ache and I don't want to move, but not moving hurts even more so I have to get up. It's a crazy daily cycle.
I just hope one day it will pass. I believe it's just a mental crisis that I've created because a few years ago my life took on some very drastic changes. Everything had been "A-O.K' for so long, that I just figured it always would be. Then change came... and poor little me wasn't ready or prepared to deal with change.
Now I embrace it. Now I realize that change is more often good than bad.
This is why I like to talk to folks older than myself who have seen it all. They look at my problems as if they are nothing, asking if I would like to be in their shoes....
Nope. I'll stay in mine. Isn't that funny? We suffer, but we don't want to be anyone else... it's because we know deep down inside that they might be more fucked up than we are... right?
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I truely don't worry about anything
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/25/article-2638950-1E32E02900000578-97_306x423.jpg)
Do what Elliot does when he gets anxiety , jerk your dick and enjoy a glass of wine or a martini
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/25/article-2638950-1E32E02900000578-97_306x423.jpg)
Do what Elliot does when he gets anxiety , jerk your dick and enjoy a glass of wine or a martini
looks the image of the cartoon fella Butthead
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(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/05/25/article-2638950-1E32E02900000578-97_306x423.jpg)
Do what Elliot does when he gets anxiety , jerk your dick and enjoy a glass of wine or a martini
Supreme gentleman - hilarious till eternity :D
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I truely don't worry about anything
You should speak on this. I'm sure people would love to learn the trick, but then again, it could backfire on you.
If you have never experienced anything like worry or anxiety, I wouldn't wish it on my best friend. If you start clouding your mind with our problems, they could affect you, then again, maybe you are one of those I was speaking about. I have lots of friends who seriously are NOT BOTHERED by anything. Even if they have something coming up that is very "up in the air" as to how it's gonna land, they still dont fret. It's cool and I envy them.
I guess I should just be happy that U R happy.
To live at peace... in peace... is a gift.
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Oh I have experienced some shit that lads on here wouldnt believe, hence I don't care about trivial things anymore
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Oh I have experienced some shit that lads on here wouldnt believe, hence I don't care about trivial things anymore
That reminds me of a Youtube video of this debt collector in the U.K.. it's pretty brutal.. the life he lived and the things that he endured.
All it did was make him stronger. So strong in fact, that people prefer to pay him to get things done rather than call the police, and he actually has a chronic illness.. among other things.
I wish I could remember the name of that vid.
Prob wouldn't be hard to find.
I was watching these vids in the U.K where groups of people would stand up for themselves at injustices, for example, unlawful evictions from huge corporate banks.
These people unified and they stood their ground, and won.
These vids led to this kind of bounty hunter in the U.k...
and I just totally changed the subject. I have a way of doing that, but most people that know me already know this.... lolo
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Well I 'alledgedly' was responsible for gathering a group of 300 locals and 9500 online supporters in my small city to stand up to and drive out of town the roma gypsies who were robbing old people in churches, grooming local children with drugs for sex, mugging lads after nightclubs, shoplifting etc etc etc when the police weren't acting
http://www.irishcentral.com/opinion/others/Roma-protests---whats-behind-the-demonstrations-against-Roma-families-in-Waterford.html
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Necrosis:
only 1% of the population have real OCD, it's like saying you have ADHD(or were being ADHD) because you are having an energetic day, it's treating mental illness like a personality or behavioural issue, it's just not. OCD is present from birth, the nervous system is wired different, it has a familial component as well
How does that compare to other anxiety problems? (Is it thought that those are present from birth?)
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Watching the media and everything is clearly aiming for the emotional mind. I've noticed that since this thread.
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Necrosis:
How does that compare to other anxiety problems? (Is it thought that those are present from birth?)
I mean the all-encompassing anxiety problems that the people described in this thread.
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I have been doing some self analysis about all of this and i think a lot of it comes down to not being comfortable in my own skin. Could this be the case or is that just a reason or effect of anxiety?
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I have been doing some self analysis about all of this and i think a lot of it comes down to not being comfortable in my own skin. Could this be the case or is that just a reason or effect of anxiety?
I think it's the same thing, isn't it? If you go down the road of cause-and-effect, it only legitimizes crazy thoughts -- and you can't afford to do that.
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How does that compare to other anxiety problems? (Is it thought that those are present from birth?)
Doesn't look like there's a definite answer to this, in case anyone's keeping track.
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I have been doing some self analysis about all of this and i think a lot of it comes down to not being comfortable in my own skin. Could this be the case or is that just a reason or effect of anxiety?
I'm telling you man....Get a vyvanse prescription from your doctor I had the same problems, anxiety when meeting new people, quiet as shit in all my classes, I would sweat profusely before a presentation I had to do for classes, hated the mall because of all the people, sort of depressed, gloomy outlook on life, socially awkward, couldn't concentrate for shit, never comfortable with the way I looked then I started vyvanse and I became way more social, love life, concentrate on anything, very talkative in classes, people are telling me I seem much happier now overall
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I'm telling you man....Get a vyvanse prescription from your doctor I had the same problems, anxiety when meeting new people, quiet as shit in all my classes, I would sweat profusely before a presentation I had to do for classes, hated the mall because of all the people, sort of depressed, gloomy outlook on life, socially awkward, couldn't concentrate for shit, never comfortable with the way I looked then I started vyvanse and I became way more social, love life, concentrate on anything, very talkative in classes, people are telling me I seem much happier now overall
Interesting statement, right there.
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Interesting statement, right there.
Yes many people have noticed. Close friends and family have noticed. I've been told I am a lot happier with life and always seem to be in a good mood and have a positive outlook now
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Yes many people have noticed. Close friends and family have noticed. I've been told I am a lot happier with life and always seem to be in a good mood and have a positive outlook now
Interesting statement, right there.
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Yes many people have noticed. Close friends and family have noticed. I've been told I am a lot happier with life and always seem to be in a good mood and have a positive outlook now
To be fair to you, I am going to guess English isn't your first language. Because it reads very strange.
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The loss of individualism plays a part in this, you can be sure.
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all prescriptions and drugs gonna ruin you - drop those in the trash; yes defenders will come now and say but I, I, me, me is sick hormones, me poor little me can't function, me can't w/out these drugs I'll die me me poor little me - lol DROP IT you little pussy and get on your feets bunch of little babies!
drop everything and seek answers within deep inside you it's all there - read certain books
alan watts
osho
mirdad (by mikhail naimy)
khairil gibran
love is your answer, love is the law of god - you live so you may learn how to love, and you love so you may learn how to live - there are no other laws in this world.
HTH.
and lift heavy
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I looked up GAD.
These symptoms for sure...
-Difficulty concentrating, or the feeling that your mind "goes blank".
(In stressful situations like if a guy picks a fight or is a prick, i like shut down. I cant think on my feet at all. After its over im like "ah why didnt i say this or thAt")
-Worrying about excessively worrying
-Distress about making decisions for fear of making the wrong decision
-Carrying every option in a situation all the way out to its possible negative conclusion (this sums up my initial post i think?)
-Difficulty handling uncertainty or indecisiveness
Haha this describes me to a T... Suggestion from my recent experience: drop the coffee if dieting.
Lack of food alone greatly exacerbates my worries.
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Haha this describes me to a T... Suggestion from my recent experience: drop the coffee if dieting.
Lack of food alone greatly exacerbates my worries.
Yeah man those are my main issues. Kev, any health concerns with vynasse? Does it help with presentations and just being more confident or comfortable? How did u get put on it?
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Yeah man those are my main issues. Kev, any health concerns with vynasse? Does it help with presentations and just being more confident or comfortable? How did u get put on it?
I have like 90% less social anxiety, always confident etc. pretty much the complete opposite of my symptoms. Go to the doctor and tell him you've always had trouble concentrating and you can't focus if your life depended on it
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I've been taking Welbutrin for a little over a week. The first week the doctor wanted me to take one a day. This week I'm supposed to take two a day. The information that comes with the prescription suggests that it can take a month or more to truly feel the effects. It's not a dramatic change, but I feel much calmer already. Welbutrin also helps curb addictive behavior. I notice that I am drinking less since starting this med.
The big question is will Welbutrin mess up my sex life? When I was taking a different anxiety medication, I found it difficult to have an orgasm. We'll see if I still have them with Welbutrin.
Yes, even 70 year old guys like that feeling and release every once in a while. It just not as frequent as it was when I was younger.
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I hope this doesn't reflect the strength of the drugs, and that it was just miswritten:
I've been told I am a lot happier with life
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I have like 90% less social anxiety, always confident etc. pretty much the complete opposite of my symptoms. Go to the doctor and tell him you've always had trouble concentrating and you can't focus if your life depended on it
Interesting because i had an rx for adderall and i did notice somewhat more confidence and over all not giving a fuck-ness type of demeanor , but i dunno if that is healthy long term. I need something more calming
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I've been taking Welbutrin for a little over a week. The first week the doctor wanted me to take one a day. This week I'm supposed to take two a day. The information that comes with the prescription suggests that it can take a month or more to truly feel the effects. It's not a dramatic change, but I feel much calmer already. Welbutrin also helps curb addictive behavior. I notice that I am drinking less since starting this med.
The big question is will Welbutrin mess up my sex life? When I was taking a different anxiety medication, I found it difficult to have an orgasm. We'll see if I still have them with Welbutrin.
Yes, even 70 year old guys like that feeling and release every once in a while. It just not as frequent as it was when I was younger.
i tried wellbutrin years ago. It was ok but didnt do much for me. Im on Cipralex for my anxiety and it works quite well
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i tried wellbutrin years ago. It was ok but didnt do much for me. Im on Cipralex for my anxiety and it works quite well
I've taken it in the past with good results. There is no reason for me to expect anything different now. I agree that the change in my mental state, like you describe, is subtle, but that's fine with me. I like myself and would not want to take something that made me into a different person.
I only suffer mild anxiety and depression. The depression can be attributed to circumstances in my life which are not in my control. The anxiety is not that bad. I have a couple of phobias and I probably worry too much.
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I have like 90% less social anxiety, always confident etc. pretty much the complete opposite of my symptoms. Go to the doctor and tell him you've always had trouble concentrating and you can't focus if your life depended on it
Interesting stuff here Kev, good posts. I see a lot of myself in all of many posters here.
vyyanse is like an amphetamine I read. Does it interfere with your sleeping or do you take something to down at night also?
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I've been taking Welbutrin for a little over a week. The first week the doctor wanted me to take one a day. This week I'm supposed to take two a day. The information that comes with the prescription suggests that it can take a month or more to truly feel the effects. It's not a dramatic change, but I feel much calmer already. Welbutrin also helps curb addictive behavior. I notice that I am drinking less since starting this med.
The big question is will Welbutrin mess up my sex life? When I was taking a different anxiety medication, I found it difficult to have an orgasm. We'll see if I still have them with Welbutrin.
Yes, even 70 year old guys like that feeling and release every once in a while. It just not as frequent as it was when I was younger.
It will not worsen libido etc. in fact it should help. It is used adjunctively for SSRI induced anorgasmia and sexual dysfunction.
It's not the best for anxiety as it's stimulating in a norepinephrine way, not dopaminergic.
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I'll share my beta stuff with you guys.
Some times I'm the light of the party, some times I'm suicidal and very paranoid. Not as paranoid as paranoid skitzophrenic, I don't hear any voices in my head or see any hallucinations, but I can be super paranoid and could get depressed from the slightest obstacle. I imagine in my mind the worst case scenario's and I can't sleep, I can't eat and I'd get endorfin rush by imagining killing people and it would be mental to even go outside and I can't get anything done. Sometimes I think everyone has something against me, and the shit I tell people just makes people distant from me. People avoid me and look at me strange.
I guess when you don't need to worry about heat, water, food or general survival, you get... this, lol :D. I've been like this for my entire life.
I know all of the above is the product of my imagination because I've gotten used to quitting, so I've never really built my character by finishing the unpleasant but productive stuff everyone should do, so of course one gets depressed or anxious. When you get used to quitting, you won't even try after that, and you stop believing your self, and you start thinking negatively about yourself. And then you get depressed. And medication won't give you permanent relief, you only need to get shit done. The stuff that you quit you should start again no matter how boring and difficult it might seem, it's the only way away from this type of misery.
Great post!
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Interesting stuff here Kev, good posts. I see a lot of myself in all of many posters here.
vyyanse is like an amphetamine I read. Does it interfere with your sleeping or do you take something to down at night also?
Yes you should always take it upon waking and it's a slow release adderall so it'll gradually release over 8 hours. I don't take anything else but vyvanse and sleep like a baby every night as long as I don't take it past 1pm
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This girl is great. A true inspiration to anyone who suffers from anxiety. To even just get on that stage!!!!.....................let alone how fantastic she is
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The last couple of days I've found a good run seems like the only thing that can set me right for the rest of the day. It has to be 30 min+, then I can open up and start feeling good.
After a run like that, so many worries disappear... Particularly with regard to food...
We'll see if it's repeatable. I think running may even have a synergistic effect with lifting. Lifting alone can have the same effect, but much more rarely...
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The last couple of days I've found a good run seems like the only thing that can set me right for the rest of the day. It has to be 30 min+, then I can open up and start feeling good.
After a run like that, so many worries disappear... Particularly with regard to food...
We'll see if it's repeatable. I think running may even have a synergistic effect with lifting. Lifting alone can have the same effect, but much more rarely...
One gets a "runner's high". Plus, once you are cutting, being lighter is a high in itself.
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One gets a "runner's high". Plus, once you are cutting, being lighter is a high in itself.
Yeah, I plan on researching this phenomenon now... Got another one this morning... This is the feeling I always seek with training. Every time I failed, my anxiety grew, as my mind spun around trying to figure out why.
Every time I succeed, I'm at peace, at least for a while. That I finally might be able to attain this state at will... Givese hope.
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That running effect will unfortunately dissapear...just saying! Its great in the beginning...but you will soon get used to it and reality is stil there...
Try skipp coffie and beer. Skipp everything that make you feel better than normal. Bcz feeling better than normal for a while just make it worse coming back to normal...
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I've been taking Welbutrin for a little over a week. The first week the doctor wanted me to take one a day. This week I'm supposed to take two a day. The information that comes with the prescription suggests that it can take a month or more to truly feel the effects. It's not a dramatic change, but I feel much calmer already. Welbutrin also helps curb addictive behavior. I notice that I am drinking less since starting this med.
The big question is will Welbutrin mess up my sex life? When I was taking a different anxiety medication, I found it difficult to have an orgasm. We'll see if I still have them with Welbutrin.
Yes, even 70 year old guys like that feeling and release every once in a while. It just not as frequent as it was when I was younger.
Try Aurorix - only one I know that somehow is "enhancing". It's pretty mild and you may be able to go off sooner than later.
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That running effect will unfortunately dissapear...just saying! Its great in the beginning...but you will soon get used to it and reality is stil there...
Try skipp coffie and beer. Skipp everything that make you feel better than normal. Bcz feeling better than normal for a while just make it worse coming back to normal...
I agree with your last statement, but I think my case may be different. I'm not talking about the initial high... That fades quickly, like any drug-induced euphoria, and I can deal with that. However, my entire mental state is altered for the whole day. I think this goes deeper for me.
After a run (or lift) like that, I enter a state which seems much more like what ought to be 'normal' for me. By contrast, my usual mental state seems overly depressed and anxious.
I perceive nearly every aspect of 'reality' completely differently after a good workout. Things which trouble me I seek to fix, things I had no appetite for I suddenly desire, I can solve problems far faster, Im more outgoing, I'm far less conservative; in general, I can make decisions instead of being consumed by doubt; I type faster, I feel hunger pangs, my body temperature is higher, I'm not wracked with chills; I don't obsessively worry about food choices, caloric intake, what time it is (whether I'm eating too soon), etc.; I'm able to read patiently; I don't frantically rush over words, I can be contemplative and creative; the list goes on...
Yes, there's still a slight worry that i may fold as soon as the first bad thing happens to me, but there are too many startling differences of various nature to ignore or write this off as 'just another high', no different than any drug. I think the profound effect of a good workout affects me more seriously, being tied to the immense amount of time and effort I've put into this endeavor, over the years. Generally, it puts me in a more optimistic state until I have another bad workout and don't know why things didn't turn out as expected.
I sense I'm on the verge of reproducible success. For me, i suspect that's a more profound success than the 'endorphin rush', one which may have far more significant implications.
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I agree with your last statement, but I think my case may be different. I'm not talking about the initial high... That fades quickly, like any drug-induced euphoria, and I can deal with that. However, my entire mental state is altered for the whole day. I think this goes deeper for me.
After a run (or lift) like that, I enter a state which seems much more like what ought to be 'normal' for me. By contrast, my usual mental state seems overly depressed and anxious.
I perceive nearly every aspect of 'reality' completely differently after a good workout. Things which trouble me I seek to fix, things I had no appetite for I suddenly desire, I can solve problems far faster, Im more outgoing, I'm far less conservative; in general, I can make decisions instead of being consumed by doubt; I type faster, I feel hunger pangs, my body temperature is higher, I'm not wracked with chills; I don't obsessively worry about food choices, caloric intake, what time it is (whether I'm eating too soon), etc.; I'm able to read patiently; I don't frantically rush over words, I can be contemplative and creative; the list goes on...
Yes, there's still a slight worry that i may fold as soon as the first bad thing happens to me, but there are too many startling differences of various nature to ignore or write this off as 'just another high', no different than any drug. I think the profound effect of a good workout runs deeper, being tied to the immense amount if time and effort I've put into this endeavor, over the years.
I sense I'm on the verge of reproducible success. For me, i suspect that's a more profound success than the 'endorphin rush', one which may have far more significant implications.
You are increasing blood flow to the brain, stimulating hormones, neurotrophic factors like Brain derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF, which is possibly how anti-depressants work and explains the lag in effects). You also experience glycogen depletion and a rebound of gaba which gives that relaxing effect. Try meditation if you haven't, that, proper diet and exercise are cornerstones for anxiety/mood disorders.
Exercise has all sorts of unique effects on brain physiology which have latent and cumulative effects.
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I hold the door for people all the time and if they dont say thank you i tell them to get some manners and then i tell them to fuck off.learn to not hive a fuck.if you try to be nice and its not acknowledged fuck em
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I hold the door for people all the time and if they dont say thank you i tell them to get some manners and then i tell them to fuck off.learn to not hive a fuck.if you try to be nice and its not acknowledged fuck em
Couldn't agree more. Despite being a girl :D on here, I am far to giving and kind and easily taken advantage of.. retarded? It can make you bitter when you go out of your way only to get fucked over again and again.
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You are increasing blood flow to the brain, stimulating hormones, neurotrophic factors like Brain derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF, which is possibly how anti-depressants work and explains the lag in effects). You also experience glycogen depletion and a rebound of gaba which gives that relaxing effect. Try meditation if you haven't, that, proper diet and exercise are cornerstones for anxiety/mood disorders.
Exercise has all sorts of unique effects on brain physiology which have latent and cumulative effects.
Ive been reading the standard fare of wiki articles on this subject, of which you just gave a nice summary. :D
Just learning about all this stuff. Strange thing is how I never noticed these effects before, specifically with regard to running. My current hypothesis is that I can only enter this 'high' state if:
1. The duration is long enough. May take longer in the morning than evening.
2. The intensity starts low and 'naturally' ramps up.
3. I'm not overly preoccupied with anxieties related to performance (e.g. how far I'm running, how many calories I'm burning, whether I'm going to get 'high').
Not sure about 2 and 3. I suspect this 'natural' progression (2) might only be possible if i can 'free my mind' (3).
I've experienced this state while running and biking, but it seems I can only achieve it at will (so far), while running. Biking is hit or miss. Might be related to the increased concentration I need while biking (manipulating the bike, planning the trip, planning duration, etc).
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What type of anxiety or issue is this? Been plaguing me for a while now but never sought help, but as I get older its becoming more of a burden.
These are some examples of thought processes during the day and sometimes they get compounded and really start bothering me and i get all worried/anxious:
-i dont want to spit while that car is there and that guy is looking at me..he will think im spitting to piss him off or be confrontational
-i hope that guy sees me taking weights off the bar when im done so he thinks im a good guy
-i made eye contact with that hot chick at the gym earlier, but now i want to use the machine right next to her. She is going to think i want to fuck her and now its akward, so i wont go over by her. I dont want her to think she is hot shit
-Did that guy acknowledge i held the door for him? He didnt even thank me. What a dick
These are just some examples from today that clogged up my mind.
Its like this social anxiety thing. Its like im overly conscientious, or afraid of confrontations so im always trying to be super respectful of everyone around me. I wish i could just be in my own world and not worty about outside shit like this.
You don't have anxiety, you're just a pussy.
Don't worry about it, there are a lot of pussies in the world and they usually get along just fine.
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You don't have anxiety, you're just a pussy.
Don't worry about it, there are a lot of pussies in the world and they usually get along just fine.
Haha ;D
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Couldn't agree more. Despite being a girl :D on here, I am far to giving and kind and easily taken advantage of.. retarded? It can make you bitter when you go out of your way only to get fucked over again and again.
Then why be so helpful? You are just asking for more if you keep giving and not receiving.
I've really never understood this in people. They give and give and get used and used and they keep repeating the same pattern, usually with the same person. Do you feel sorry for these people?
I'm very curious about this mindset as I have the complete opposite.
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Then why be so helpful? You are just asking for more if you keep giving and not receiving.
I've really never understood this in people. They give and give and get used and used and they keep repeating the same pattern, usually with the same person. Do you feel sorry for these people?
I'm very curious about this mindset as I have the complete opposite.
It's weird man, if you did it to yourself I couldn't lend a hand to piss on you, people who I think are down and out, or need help I will go way out of my way. It's a symptom I think, over responsibility, an OCD thing.
Helping people is one of my only motivators. After 20 years of existential issues etc.. it can alter your perspective.
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It's weird man, if you did it to yourself I couldn't lend a hand to piss on you, people who I think are down and out, or need help I will go way out of my way. It's a symptom I think, over responsibility, an OCD thing.
Helping people is one of my only motivators. After 20 years of existential issues etc.. it can alter your perspective.
I wouldn't say that's getting burned since you are getting a high off of it with self entitlement. I was thinking you were the kind of people who loan a junkie money and expect them to pay you back, and when they come back asking for more you open your wallet again.
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I wouldn't say that's getting burned since you are getting a high off of it with self entitlement. I was thinking you were the kind of people who loan a junkie money and expect them to pay you back, and when they come back asking for more you open your wallet again.
Or he's just altruistic. Sometimes people just help others. Not because they want some payoff. They're simply nice people.
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Some were just not raised to say "thank you" and when confronted about it, they gotta be complete assholes. I still hold doors open for people, most the time people seem surprised but often appreciate the act. (at least these weeks or so...)
Why do I do this? Don't you like it when someone holds the door open for you? Don't you like it when others say "thank you" little things like that can make my day, if in a bad mood, break it if I feel ignored. Who likes to be ignored? DoN't tell me it does not bother you if the person does not say thank you.
Is it expected, not really, well, kinda yeah, lol! But it's a nice gesture that creates good vibes and puts a smile on most people's faces. Why not acknowledge someone else's good doing?
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Some were just not raised to say "thank you" and when confronted about it, they gotta be complete assholes. I still hold doors open for people, most the time people seem surprised but often appreciate the act. (at least these weeks or so...)
Why do I do this? Don't you like it when someone holds the door open for you? Don't you like it when others say "thank you" little things like that can make my day, if in a bad mood, break it if I feel ignored. Who likes to be ignored? DoN't tell me it does not bother you if the person does not say thank you.
Is it expected, not really, well, kinda yeah, lol! But it's a nice gesture that creates good vibes and puts a smile on most people's faces. Why not acknowledge someone else's good doing?
Agreed 100%. It's just plain rude to not hold the door if someone is reasonably close, and a thank you should always be tendered. Most people follow this protocol, a small minority however were raised like shit and are not concerned with common decency.
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meditation.
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People frequently hold a door open for me. This always happens when my wife is with me. Both of us thank the person for their thoughtfulness. Likewise, I hold doors open whenever someone is close by. Most thank me. Occasionally someone doesn't. When this happens, I don't give it more than a passing thought. It's not worth it to fret over someone's thoughtlessness.
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People frequently hold a door open for me. This always happens when my wife is with me. Both of us thank the person for their thoughtfulness. Likewise, I hold doors open whenever someone is close by. Most thank me. Occasionally someone doesn't. When this happens, I don't give it more than a passing thought. It's not worth it to fret over someone's thoughtlessness.
Yes, it seems they like to close it on you too.
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Yes, it seems they like to close it on you too.
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Classic.
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Yes, it seems they like to close it on you too.
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Correction: Shizzo still finds a very old and tired joke funny enough to keep posting it over and over again.
Are you sure it's not you who is getting the door shut on them? You don't seem very popular around here. Not being mean, just making a logical observation.
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Sometimes at night when trying to sleep I will get anxiety and a lot of racing thoughts like a TV channel changing fast and also feel like there is not enough oxygen in the room. I open a window and this helps.
Also when having this night time anxiety I feel like my heart is beating very hard.