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I have to think the dumbest was drinking a glass of Alka Seltzer before a workout. I think it was Bill Phillips that wrote about ingesting sodium bicarbonate before a workout would reduce lactic acid build upin the muscle. Initially I was drinking Baking Soda mixed with water and some lemon juice and it was awful. My gut would be so bloated and I would just burp all workout then I read in Flex or some other mag about taking an Alka Seltzer. It sucked being so naïve about growing muscle and trying all of this shit.
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I have to think the dumbest was drinking a glass of Alka Seltzer before a workout. I think it was Bill Phillips that wrote about ingesting sodium bicarbonate before a workout would reduce lactic acid build upin the muscle. Initially I was drinking Baking Soda mixed with water and some lemon juice and it was awful. My gut would be so bloated and I would just burp all workout then I read in Flex or some other mag about taking an Alka Seltzer. It sucked being so naïve about growing muscle and trying all of this shit.
Drink a cup of vinegar before a show to bring out vasculaity. It was effing awful.
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Drink a cup of vinegar before a show to bring out vasculaity. It was effing awful.
WINE IS EASIER AND BETTER TASTING..
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gallon of milk a day diet.
toilet and I became inseparable for a week after two days of trying GOMAD.
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When I first started lifting "seriously" I'd mimic all the Jay Cutler workouts I could find.
Little did I know, I was following the wrong Cutler brother. :'(
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Less is more
Great motto for the lazy.
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(https://playingintheworldgame.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/atlas.jpg?w=538&h=738)
Charles Atlas didn't squat...
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These are not secrets but typical bodybuilding practices that impaired my well-being, and now without them, I am in better shape than I ever have been.
1) You must eat a gram of brotein per pound.
2) You have to eat every two to three hours or else you will "go catabolic".
3) You have to eat clean (what exactly is this?).
4) You should taper your carbs down as the day goes by. Don't eat carbs late at night except after a workout.
5) Thou must do back squats, regular deadlifts, and flat barbell bench press to get big.
6) You have to get a "base of strength" with low reps in the big lifts. After earning your stripes you can go onto a pure size routine. That is, you have to prove your powerlifting abilities before going on to being a bodybuilder or guy who wants to be jacked.
I also had other beliefs on BB that I've mentioned before.
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These are not secrets but typical bodybuilding practices that impaired my well-being, and now without them, I am in better shape than I ever have been.
1) You must eat a gram of brotein per pound.
2) You have to eat every two to three hours or else you will "go catabolic".
3) You have to eat clean (what exactly is this?).
4) You should taper your carbs down as the day goes by. Don't eat carbs late at night except after a workout.
5) Thou must do back squats, regular deadlifts, and flat barbell bench press to get big.
6) You have to get a "base of strength" with low reps in the big lifts. After earning your stripes you can go onto a pure size routine. That is, you have to prove your powerlifting abilities before going on to being a bodybuilder or guy who wants to be jacked.
I also had other beliefs on BB that I've mentioned before.
I think that #4 is good advice for women that have a tendency to over eat at night
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These are not secrets but typical bodybuilding practices that impaired my well-being, and now without them, I am in better shape than I ever have been.
1) You must eat a gram of brotein per pound.
2) You have to eat every two to three hours or else you will "go catabolic".
3) You have to eat clean (what exactly is this?).
4) You should taper your carbs down as the day goes by. Don't eat carbs late at night except after a workout.
5) Thou must do back squats, regular deadlifts, and flat barbell bench press to get big.
6) You have to get a "base of strength" with low reps in the big lifts. After earning your stripes you can go onto a pure size routine. That is, you have to prove your powerlifting abilities before going on to being a bodybuilder or guy who wants to be jacked.
I also had other beliefs on BB that I've mentioned before.
I'm yet to see anyone who has achieved that super human pro size advocate anything less than 1g per lbs.
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These are not secrets but typical bodybuilding practices that impaired my well-being, and now without them, I am in better shape than I ever have been.
1) You must eat a gram of brotein per pound.
2) You have to eat every two to three hours or else you will "go catabolic".
3) You have to eat clean (what exactly is this?).
4) You should taper your carbs down as the day goes by. Don't eat carbs late at night except after a workout.
5) Thou must do back squats, regular deadlifts, and flat barbell bench press to get big.
6) You have to get a "base of strength" with low reps in the big lifts. After earning your stripes you can go onto a pure size routine. That is, you have to prove your powerlifting abilities before going on to being a bodybuilder or guy who wants to be jacked.
I also had other beliefs on BB that I've mentioned before.
I believe most of these
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I'm yet to see anyone who has achieved that super human pro size advocate anything less than 1g per lbs.
Mike Mentzer ate less than a gram per pound. Nasser said he ate less than a gram per pound in the offseason. Maybe they were lying. Maybe they were not.
I'm still not sold on eating tons of protein. I believe 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound is fine. More is not harmful if you want to get your calories like that, but it's not necessary.
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Mike Mentzer ate less than a gram per pound. Nasser said he ate less than a gram per pound in the offseason. Maybe they were lying. Maybe they were not.
I'm still not sold on eating tons of protein. I believe 0.6 to 0.8 grams per pound is fine. More is not harmful if you want to get your calories like that, but it's not necessary.
You're giving examples of genetic outliers. They could probably eat cat food with their drug protocol and grow like a weed.
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I believe most of these
Believe they are true and necessary, or false?
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You're giving examples of genetic outliers. They could probably eat cat food with their drug protocol and grow like a weed.
I was expecting someone to pop in with this, something along the lines, "They can just LOOK at a weight and grow."
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Uncle Hany Rambod advocates 1-1.5 grams per lbm not overall weight
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I was expecting someone to pop in with this, something along the lines, "They can just LOOK at a weight and grow."
I'm not more wrong than you are, champ
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Uncle Hany Rambod advocates 1-1.5 grams per lbm not overall weight
Didn't Trevor Smith and Dante recommend 2 grams? :)
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When I first started lifting "seriously" I'd mimic all the Jay Cutler workouts I could find.
Little did I know, I was following the wrong Cutler brother. :'(
I did the same but with diet! I watched some video where Jay said he ate a ton of carbs (don't remember the exact number of grams, but i think he said it was close to 1,000g/day), so I thought, shit, I need to start packing away carbs! Needless to say I got fat as fuck eating the way Jay claimed to eat.
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You're giving examples of genetic outliers. They could probably eat cat food with their drug protocol and grow like a weed.
FWIW, cat food is 80% brotein.
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"To get big arms, all you need to do is squat" <-- this one is so fucking retarded.
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Believe they are true and necessary, or false?
I believe some are true at least if the trainer is natural. Food timing seems to be a big deal for a natural at least from my own experiences.
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I believe some are true at least if the trainer is natural. Food timing seems to be a big deal for a natural at least from my own experiences.
Food timing is super important when you are on HGH and Insulin, not so much otherwise.
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"To get big arms, all you need to do is squat" <-- this one is so fucking retarded.
You need to squat more ;D
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squat to get big legs, or deads for big back
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I did the same but with diet! I watched some video where Jay said he ate a ton of carbs (don't remember the exact number of grams, but i think he said it was close to 1,000g/day), so I thought, shit, I need to start packing away carbs! Needless to say I got fat as fuck eating the way Jay claimed to eat.
Jay ate 10 meals a day. He could easily reach 1000 carbs a day w/ a minimum of 100 grams at each meal. I think that he was eating every 90 minutes.
I was always kind of surprised at how small the protein portions were at his meals though. But again; with 10 meals a day, there was no need to eat heavy at one individual meal.
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High reps for cuts.
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squat to get big legs, or deads for big back
I have gotten more leg and back growth from stiff legged or dumbbell stiff legged or trap bar deadlifts and safety or front squats than back squats and regular deadlifts. Plus I actually feel good.
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I have gotten more leg and back growth from stiff legged or dumbbell stiff legged or trap bar deadlifts and safety or front squats than back squats and regular deadlifts. Plus I actually feel good.
I feel the same about rack pulls. I only ever went to them because of a lower back injury. But since trying them I've not gone back.
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Didn't Trevor Smith and Dante recommend 2 grams? :)
Who would want to look like either of them ???
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Train natural.....so worthless i went back to the juice after 4 months
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Who would want to look like either of them ???
Those aiming to permabulk for four decades.
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I think that #4 is good advice for women that have a tendency to over eat at night
What about men who over eat at night? Does it not affect them the same as it does women?
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Those aiming to permabulk for four decades.
280 "with abs" of peace ::)
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Who would want to look like either of them ???
LOL exactly this! ^
fridge physiques, both looked pretty fucking horrid.
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Don`t forget to rinse your beef! ;D
-Dante`aka Dogcrapp
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Don`t forget to rinse your beef! ;D
-Dante`aka Dogcrapp
Before or after you stick it in her?
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Before or after you stick it in her?
lmao..
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I bought a fucking cybergenics kit and mega mass 4000 and thought I was going to be huge in a few weeks!!
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Don`t forget to rinse your beef! ;D
-Dante`aka Dogcrapp
lol. I like to troll dante as he inspired a generation to permabulk (using food as their main anabolic ;D) but have to give it to him, if you look at the old time hardcore bb board guys he is one of the few stand up ones. in a cult full of scammers, druggies, schmoes and prostitutes that is impressive.
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Train natural.....so worthless i went back to the juice after 4 months
Spot on! Worthless and senseless
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What about men who over eat at night? Does it not affect them the same as it does women?
Men carry more muscle and less fat than women carry; so men can get away with things that would make women balloon up
But yes; if a man is trying to get into contest shape.... meal tapering is good
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Men carry more muscle and less fat than women carry; so men can get away with things that would make women balloon up
But yes; if a man is trying to get into contest shape.... meal tapering is good
A woman without carbs is a crazy fucking batshit woman. They need that serotonin release.
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Eat every 2h
Fart powder abuse
Creatine
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Eat every 2h
Fart powder abuse
Creatine
AT TIMES THESE WORK...NOT SET IN STONE,,VARIES ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN LIFE AT THE TIME..
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Less is better to gain muscles (in case of "overtraining").
Stretching before and after training (what a waste of time !)
Training abs and calves (purely genetics).
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"Breathing pullovers" for rib cage expansion
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Testosterun
Deco
Dianaballs
Winnie
Trenballin
Annavar
Sustanun
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Bulking.
What a monumental waste of time.
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"Breathing pullovers" for rib cage expansion
Haha! Yes!
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Brewers yeast. Sticks to the ribs. :-\
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ok heres one when i was in higschool and a puny lil bodybuilder. lou ferrigno was making his comeback. and he was huge then.
so of course flex magazine publishes lous diet and me being the naive dork i was actually beleived if i ate like lou and trained like lou i would look like lou.
bwa ha ha i h ad my plastic weights and set them up on my porch. needless to say i lasted maybe a week eating like lou. ha ha i got sick of eating and i fucking hated
oat mail it would make me puke.
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Synthol.
I don't know why anyone would use it, it tasted awful.
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The tons of money I wasted on supplements as a kid.........I ate more pills than I did food for Christs sake.
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"You gotta lift heavy brah."
Some guys can. Guys like me become a pile of injury. Counterproductive, pain, loss of income. Fuck heavy.
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ok heres one when i was in higschool and a puny lil bodybuilder. lou ferrigno was making his comeback. and he was huge then.
so of course flex magazine publishes lous diet and me being the naive dork i was actually beleived if i ate like lou and trained like lou i would look like lou.
bwa ha ha i h ad my plastic weights and set them up on my porch. needless to say i lasted maybe a week eating like lou. ha ha i got sick of eating and i fucking hated
oat mail it would make me puke.
Kwon_2 might refer to you as a "porch dweller"
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Didn't Trevor Smith and Dante recommend 2 grams? :)
Idk
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I followed a 12week Kevin Levrone shoulder workout from flex magazine as a relative newbie.
I bought weight gainer for a few years as a young fella too
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ok heres one when i was in higschool and a puny lil bodybuilder. lou ferrigno was making his comeback. and he was huge then.
so of course flex magazine publishes lous diet and me being the naive dork i was actually beleived if i ate like lou and trained like lou i would look like lou.
bwa ha ha i h ad my plastic weights and set them up on my porch. needless to say i lasted maybe a week eating like lou. ha ha i got sick of eating and i fucking hated
oat mail it would make me puke.
if it was the same one I read and tried first 2 meals was like..
breakfast- 2 cups oatmeal(dry measure, then cooked) plus 2 bananas
post workout- 24 egg whites with 2 english muffins with diet butter(lol, wtf is diet butter)
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Dumbest bodybuilding trick I ever tried and did not gain any muscle from was this whole "LOL"ing, so funny I just spit my protein drink on my keyboard" thing that happens only on bodybuilding message forums
That expression never helped my gains
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if it was the same one I read and tried first 2 meals was like..
breakfast- 2 cups oatmeal(dry measure, then cooked) plus 2 bananas
post workout- 24 egg whites with 2 english muffins with diet butter(lol, wtf is diet butter)
I always loved all the egg whites. Was a firm believer yolks would soften your conditioning, lol.
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Bulking.
What a monumental waste of time.
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bodybuilding is a stupid secret
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A glory hole is in no way 'the most anabolic environment'.
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-tribulus
-Sarms are like steroids without side effects (my ass. where does my gyno and acne came from then ??)
-bench press is the best chest builder for EVERYONE
-thinking overhead presses work the 3 heads of the delts
-i used to drink a can of coke and ate like 5 slices of white bread to spike my insulin post workout (hello fat gains)
-dirty bulking
-fancy forms of creatine
-not drinking any coffee because of cortisol
-starting strengh 4chan gospel
-reading zyzz interview on simplyshredded and actually though he knew about training and nutrition and drugs were only the finishing touch to his look
-thinking GH15 was a genuine expert and taking 15ius gh and tren will have no side and can make you get away with eating junk all day
-buying herbal "anabolic" blends
-stacking test boosters in hope for massive gains (all i got was massive boners and cum loads)
-DMAA supplement ARE safe. according to USP Labs researches
-supplements contains whats on the label
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I tried eating a dozen raw eggs a day..............intersp ersed throughout the day,along with my other meals.
It was OK at first,then I had huge digestive issues.............never again,I felt like I was gonna` die.
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I tried eating a dozen raw eggs a day..............intersp ersed throughout the day,along with my other meals.
It was OK at first,then I had huge digestive issues.............never again,I felt like I was gonna` die.
Sounds like you were the last one in...therefore a "rotten egg"...
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How about some other classics over the years:
Bill Phillips - "HMB feels like Deca".
Rheo Blair / Larry Scott (and others) - "Use heavy whipping cream with my protein for amazing Rheo Blair like gains" (Had nothing to do with the Nilevar Blair was peddling).
Franco Santoriello got HUGE using Cybergenics (not steroids).
"This works better than steroids" (Any supplement manuf can go here).
I like Drapers line: "The secret is, there are no secrets"...
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Super slow reps.
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White bread or maltodexterin post workout...lol
Man i was a delusional teen idiot, even in college i was dumb
6 meals
Keto
Lol i tried all that dumb shit.
Cutler saying coke is good PWO so i tried that too
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White bread or maltodexterin post workout...lol
Man i was a delusional teen idiot, even in college i was dumb
6 meals
Keto
Lol i tried all that dumb shit.
Cutler saying coke is good PWO so i tried that too
I do keto and love it. My body-type allows me to bulk and cut on it all the same lol. Do you mean keto strictly for fat loss? Or keto as a diet in general?
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I tried eating a dozen raw eggs a day..............intersp ersed throughout the day,along with my other meals.
It was OK at first,then I had huge digestive issues.............never again,I felt like I was gonna` die.
Eggs are always a crapshoot with me (pun intended). Some days I can stomach eating 6-8 at a time. Other days it destroys me and I feel like I get food poisoning.
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I tried eating a dozen raw eggs a day..............intersp ersed throughout the day,along with my other meals.
It was OK at first,then I had huge digestive issues.............never again,I felt like I was gonna` die.
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That's funny Wes, for me it works (probably we have very different digestion). I usually drink 2-3 raw eggs every 6 hours during the day, with 2 digestive enzyme tabs...
I keep 18-packs of eggs in my work fridge.
I survive on KETO all week, except on either Saturdays or Sundays I'll have a big cheat meal.
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That's funny Wes, for me it works (probably we have very different digestion). I usually drink 2-3 raw eggs every 6 hours during the day, with 2 digestive enzyme tabs...
I keep 18-packs of eggs in my work fridge.
I survive on KETO all week, except on either Saturdays or Sundays I'll have a big cheat meal.
To be considered KETO you can't have any cheat meals. It takes a while of no carbs to hit ketosis. By eating carbs on weekends you'll never achieve it. You are mistaking keto with carb cycling.
Watch out on those digestive enzymes. Not only do they break food down, they do the same to your stomach lining.
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I do keto and love it. My body-type allows me to bulk and cut on it all the same lol. Do you mean keto strictly for fat loss? Or keto as a diet in general?
I dont buy it bro. If you get shredded on 2k calories keto...u will also getbshredded on 2k calories mixed diet.
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I dont buy it bro. If you get shredded on 2k calories keto...u will also getbshredded on 2k calories mixed diet.
Fair enough. I agree you can get shredded eating pretty much anything as long as you're getting your protein requirements in. I'm CONSTANTLY hungry, though. So eating keto keeps me from overeating because I feel fuller longer. Fats jive well with me and keep me from binging. I don't ever crave carbs, so this diet clearly works pretty well for me. But, again, to each their own. If you can handle not getting super hungry eating rice and chicken breast, more power to ya!
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thong warrior, how long did you try keto for?
from what i've been reading, it seems like even 3 weeks might not necessarily be long enough to "adapt"... maybe at least a month to be safe?
wannabepro, what are your meals like on keto? i just keep envisioning a bunch of meat and oil with some greens. i don't necessarily mind eating like that, but it seems like the cooking and prep would be pretty hard.
To be considered KETO you can't have any cheat meals. It takes a while of no carbs to hit ketosis. By eating carbs on weekends you'll never achieve it. You are mistaking keto with carb cycling.
Watch out on those digestive enzymes. Not only do they break food down, they do the same to your stomach lining.
I've been reading Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. I think he would disagree with your claim, but I haven't read enough yet to say why exactly. In short though, there are a number of ways to get your body to start producing enough ketone bodies to survive on... it's not so cut and dry.
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thong warrior, how long did you try keto for?
from what i've been reading, it seems like even 3 weeks might not necessarily be long enough to "adapt"... maybe at least a month to be safe?
wannabepro, what are your meals like on keto? i just keep envisioning a bunch of meat and oil with some greens. i don't necessarily mind eating like that, but it seems like the cooking and prep would be pretty hard.
I've been reading Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. I think he would disagree with your claim, but I haven't read enough yet to say why exactly. In short though, there are a number of ways to get your body to start producing enough ketone bodies to survive on... it's not so cut and dry.
So you're a Keto, Vegan, anorexic holocaust survivor?
Props! :D
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Believing any supplement actually contributes in any significant aspect to the way an IFBB looks.
I didn't believe Cell Tech would give me a 400% increase bench, but I also did not doubt that some supplements probably helped.
Had no idea the incredible impact drugs make... just look at these guys deflating nowadays.
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thong warrior, how long did you try keto for?
from what i've been reading, it seems like even 3 weeks might not necessarily be long enough to "adapt"... maybe at least a month to be safe?
wannabepro, what are your meals like on keto? i just keep envisioning a bunch of meat and oil with some greens. i don't necessarily mind eating like that, but it seems like the cooking and prep would be pretty hard.
I've been reading Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. I think he would disagree with your claim, but I haven't read enough yet to say why exactly. In short though, there are a number of ways to get your body to start producing enough ketone bodies to survive on... it's not so cut and dry.
Ketosis is not the body's natural state. It's a starvation response. That's why you get "kicked out" of it so easily. It's because the brain prefers glucose.
Moreover, it's not the Ketosis that makes you lose weight. It's the not eating which, then, causes the Ketosis to kick in.
For some reason, basic nutrition often, needlessly, gets taken to extremes. So, "limiting carbs," turns into "no carbs."
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So you're a Keto, Vegan, anorexic holocaust survivor?
Props! :D
up 20+ lbs from 2 months ago, as i've told you for about the 8th time now... ::)
i just want to learn about nutrition, no need for the snide remarks
Ketosis is not the body's natural state. It's a starvation response. That's why you get "kicked out" of it so easily. It's because the brain prefers glucose.
Moreover, it's not the Ketosis that makes you lose weight. It's the not eating which, then, causes the Ketosis to kick in.
For some reason, basic nutrition often, needlessly, gets taken to extremes. So, "limiting carbs," turns into "no carbs."
the "reason" is that we're on a bodybuilding board. people want to get as lean and muscular as possible. i've heard enough stories of people using ketosis to improve both body composition and mental state to be curious about it.
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up 20+ lbs from 2 months ago, as i've told you for about the 8th time now... ::)
i just want to learn about nutrition, no need for the snide remarks
the "reason" is that we're on a bodybuilding board. people want to get as lean and muscular as possible. i've heard enough stories of people using ketosis to improve both body composition and mental state to be curious about it.
You're reading the right guy. Lyle knows his stuff.
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That's funny Wes, for me it works (probably we have very different digestion). I usually drink 2-3 raw eggs every 6 hours during the day, with 2 digestive enzyme tabs...
I keep 18-packs of eggs in my work fridge.
I survive on KETO all week, except on either Saturdays or Sundays I'll have a big cheat meal.
I wish I could have handled it as I was making decent gains until I developed the digestive issue.
Never thought to try digestive enzymes at the time though I have used them in the past..........I just felt so terrible I gave up on the idea.
One thing I`ll say is that tons of guys told me I`d get Salmonella (sp),but I never did and I ate a veritable ton of raw eggs.
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something like 1 in 30,000 eggs contains salmonella
even if you eat it, the bacteria aren't guaranteed to give you an infection
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Fair enough. I agree you can get shredded eating pretty much anything as long as you're getting your protein requirements in. I'm CONSTANTLY hungry, though. So eating keto keeps me from overeating because I feel fuller longer. Fats jive well with me and keep me from binging. I don't ever crave carbs, so this diet clearly works pretty well for me. But, again, to each their own. If you can handle not getting super hungry eating rice and chicken breast, more power to ya!
Agree. I can eat McDonalds every day and get and stay shredded. The only thing that makes me look soft is overtraining and the body holding more fluid. Other than that as long as I don't overeat when hungry I stay shredded.
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thong warrior, how long did you try keto for?
from what i've been reading, it seems like even 3 weeks might not necessarily be long enough to "adapt"... maybe at least a month to be safe?
wannabepro, what are your meals like on keto? i just keep envisioning a bunch of meat and oil with some greens. i don't necessarily mind eating like that, but it seems like the cooking and prep would be pretty hard.
I've been reading Lyle McDonald's The Ketogenic Diet. I think he would disagree with your claim, but I haven't read enough yet to say why exactly. In short though, there are a number of ways to get your body to start producing enough ketone bodies to survive on... it's not so cut and dry.
Pretty much all I eat is: meat (all kinds), eggs, leafy greens, and nuts. I keep it simple. Cooking or "meal prep" is extremely easy. just cook up some meat in bulk, buy a bag of spinach. and you've got your meals ready lol. Add in nuts between meals and you're set. Plus, fatty meats cost less than lean meats, so that's kinda nice.
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Pretty much all I eat is: meat (all kinds), eggs, leafy greens, and nuts. I keep it simple. Cooking or "meal prep" is extremely easy. just cook up some meat in bulk, buy a bag of spinach. and you've got your meals ready lol. Add in nuts between meals and you're set. Plus, fatty meats cost less than lean meats, so that's kinda nice.
thanks man.
if you don't mind me asking, do you eat a lot of red meat, or no? what type do you eat the most of?
ever get blood work done (e.g. lipid profiles)?
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up 20+ lbs from 2 months ago, as i've told you for about the 8th time now... ::)
i just want to learn about nutrition, no need for the snide remarks
Learning about nutrition by putting your body through extreme diets and weight fluctuations, sounds good to me.
Hope you are enlightened beyond belief.
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Learning about nutrition by putting your body through extreme diets and weight fluctuations, sounds good to me.
Hope you are enlightened beyond belief.
People don't want to accept, that, in the long run, it's going to be discipline that determines success. So, they look for a dietary magic bullet. Almost all of the people I've seen who are always on a diet, and talk about it endlessly, never lose weight for more than brief periods, then, quickly gain it back.
The psychological aspect of weight maintenance always gets the short shrift. All of us are continually bombarded with stimuli to overeat, whether it be a television commercial for Papa John's or a supermarket that puts the bakery right in front of the cashier. It takes mental toughness to overcome it all.
Ketosis is not a realistic LONG TERM option for MOST people. We have the holiday season coming up. How many are going to go through it until New Year's Day without eating anything sweet?
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Bulking was the thing back in the day. I was a super lean sprinter in college. Then I spent about 10 years drinking gain weight shakes and lifting heavy. I really think I damaged my health doing that. If you have a choice in life of being a perma bulker or lean you should choose lean every time.
I also fell for the supplement nonsense like I guess we all do in our twenties. Just when you realize it's all bs there is another crop of twenty somethings putting out big money for the latest greatest snake oil scam.
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thanks man.
if you don't mind me asking, do you eat a lot of red meat, or no? what type do you eat the most of?
ever get blood work done (e.g. lipid profiles)?
I eat red meat probably 2ce a week. I stick to chicken thigh, salmon, tilapia (I really like the taste for some reason..), and eggs as a staple. And then when I feel like it I'll eat some med ground beef, ground chicken, ground turkey, ground bison. I try and mix it up, but I really like the tastes of chicken thigh so that's what I eat most of the time.
As for bloodwork, I get it done once a year, though this past year I didn't get the chance to. I plan on getting it done again in January. The only thing that's been a bit high is liver numbers, but I've been told that it could be due to training. I'd have to look back at the paperwork again, but IIRC that's the only thing that was on the high end, but not out of range.
I had extremely low testosterone in 2011 after I did a natty bb show, but it bounced back after I started eating fats again.
Keep in mind that I do take vitamins (not a multi-vit, but I buy them individually and take doses I feel like I need), fish oils, glucosamine, niacin. So that could also play a role in staying healthy since I'm sure I'm missing out on a lot of vitamins found in fruits and more "carby" vegetables.
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People don't want to accept, that, in the long run, it's going to be discipline that determines success. So, they look for a dietary magic bullet. Almost all of the people I've seen who are always on a diet, and talk about it endlessly, never lose weight for more than brief periods, then, quickly gain it back.
The psychological aspect of weight maintenance always gets the short shrift. All of us are continually bombarded with stimuli to overeat, whether it be a television commercial for Papa John's or a supermarket that puts the bakery right in front of the cashier. It takes mental toughness to overcome it all.
Ketosis is not a realistic LONG TERM option for MOST people. We have the holiday season coming up. How many are going to go through it until New Year's Day without eating anything sweet?
Fully agree. Food is entrenched in our social culture as well. How anyone can live happily while being a full-time keto, and keep their relationships with those around them, is completely beyond me.
What is the point if you are already in shape, and have no intentions of competing, etc.? I don't think I will be on my deathbed thinking, "I'm glad I did that keto diet for X weeks/months instead of having a great time out with family and friends."
Just bust your ass and don't eat stupid amounts of calories.
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Fully agree. Food is entrenched in our social culture as well. How anyone can live happily while being a full-time keto, and keep their relationships with those around them, is completely beyond me.
What is the point if you are already in shape, and have no intentions of competing, etc.? I don't think I will be on my deathbed thinking, "I'm glad I did that keto diet for X weeks/months instead of having a great time out with family and friends."
Just bust your ass and don't eat stupid amounts of calories.
I know people like to shit on keto because apparently it makes them moody or hazy or whatever else. I feel awesome on keto. I have more than enough energy to train as hard as I want and work 12hr days AND do school on top of that (part time masters student). I never have problems with thinking or tiredness. I say, if it works for you then why not do it? Not just from a physical point of view, but from a mental and well being point of view.
I have no problem "breaking" the diet every now and then, but I feel horrible the next day, headaches, laziness, tiredness. I'll hop back on keto and the next day I'm back to my normal self. I do live a bit like a hermit, but nothing to do with diet, its cause I work a lot and have to get schoolwork done after work. My days begin at 5am and end at 11pm.
On the rare occasion I do go out to dinner with friends/family or a date I'll just order a steak and some greens. Maybe some shrimp as an appetizer. No biggie.
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I know people like to shit on keto because apparently it makes them moody or hazy or whatever else. I feel awesome on keto. I have more than enough energy to train as hard as I want and work 12hr days AND do school on top of that (part time masters student). I never have problems with thinking or tiredness. I say, if it works for you then why not do it? Not just from a physical point of view, but from a mental and well being point of view.
I have no problem "breaking" the diet every now and then, but I feel horrible the next day, headaches, laziness, tiredness. I'll hop back on keto and the next day I'm back to my normal self. I do live a bit like a hermit, but nothing to do with diet, its cause I work a lot and have to get schoolwork done after work. My days begin at 5am and end at 11pm.
On the rare occasion I do go out to dinner with friends/family or a date I'll just order a steak and some greens. Maybe some shrimp as an appetizer. No biggie.
8)..works for you...
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I tried the "add one inch to your arms in 24 hours" thing.
Was doing curls/tricep presses all day and eating eggs and shit.
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Gotta weigh in here now cuz my main fellow headcase man Ceph is in the house now.
Keto did these things to me (and when i say keto, i mean anabolic diet-cheese, beef, full fat anything, oils, butter, green veggies and no carbs but maybe once a week). I did this for almost 8 weeks with no change in body comp or muscle growth.
-unpleasant personality
-Sever brain fog (to the point of not being able to grasp words i needed to use from my head, like would freeze)
-lipids all over the place (high as shit), triglycerides higher than when i was eating balanced diet (was still doing some heart health cardio)
-breath smelled awful
-overall uncomfortable with body, didnt feel good
-bp was still semi high
-weight stayed same, and my wife even commented that i wasnt looking as good (dammnnn!)
-social outings with wife or friends became a hassle (thong, why are u not eating potatos), wife giving me dirty looks for not being a normal human like everyone else (for most anti social, always single, getbiggers this wont be an issue)
-not possible as a lifestyle, as much as you read or hear people say otherwise.
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Gotta weigh in here now cuz my main fellow headcase man Ceph is in the house now.
Keto did these things to me (and when i say keto, i mean anabolic diet-cheese, beef, full fat anything, oils, butter, green veggies and no carbs but maybe once a week). I did this for almost 8 weeks with no change in body comp or muscle growth.
-unpleasant personality
-Sever brain fog (to the point of not being able to grasp words i needed to use from my head, like would freeze)
-lipids all over the place (high as shit), triglycerides higher than when i was eating balanced diet (was still doing some heart health cardio)
-breath smelled awful
-overall uncomfortable with body, didnt feel good
-bp was still semi high
-weight stayed same, and my wife even commented that i wasnt looking as good (dammnnn!)
-social outings with wife or friends became a hassle (thong, why are u not eating potatos), wife giving me dirty looks for not being a normal human like everyone else (for most anti social, always single, getbiggers this wont be an issue)
-not possible as a lifestyle, as much as you read or hear people say otherwise.
damn...I feel I would respond the same as you to this...I eat as balanced as I can,enjoy some extras when I feel,but eat good foods...grains /fruits/vege..just not overboard..i think a temporary keto for a few wks hardening/cut will suffice short term for a quick vacation or summer look...
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something like 1 in 30,000 eggs contains salmonella
even if you eat it, the bacteria aren't guaranteed to give you an infection
All it takes is that one egg to make you pray to the porcelain god while you vomit and shit yourself at the same time for 48 hours before being rushed to the ER for dehydration. Sooner or later you'll learn your lesson.
One way to avoid it is to buy pasteurized eggs.
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All it takes is that one egg to make you pray to the porcelain god while you vomit and shit yourself at the same time for 48 hours before being rushed to the ER for dehydration. Sooner or later you'll learn your lesson.
One way to avoid it is to buy pasteurized eggs.
yeah i'll pass on the uncooked egg thing...
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yeah i'll pass on the uncooked egg thing...
I feel the same way. It's like raw clams on the half shell that's popular at this shore region where I live. You can eat raw clams for a life time but when you hit the one with bacteria that you couldn't smell prior it will be coming out of both ends for days. It happened to me.
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I feel the same way. It's like raw clams on the half shell that's popular at this shore region where I live. You can eat raw clams for a life time but when you hit the one with bacteria that you couldn't smell prior it will be coming out of both ends for days. It happened to me.
oh for sure,,rich I never eat those either and I love seafood too...esp from your area its so good those raw clam bars/shrimp/mussels/clams I can go on and on...
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-bulking
-bulking and not doing cardio
-bulking and training less, to avoid catabolism
-bulking at any cost
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Gotta weigh in here now cuz my main fellow headcase man Ceph is in the house now.
Keto did these things to me (and when i say keto, i mean anabolic diet-cheese, beef, full fat anything, oils, butter, green veggies and no carbs but maybe once a week). I did this for almost 8 weeks with no change in body comp or muscle growth.
-unpleasant personality
-Sever brain fog (to the point of not being able to grasp words i needed to use from my head, like would freeze)
-lipids all over the place (high as shit), triglycerides higher than when i was eating balanced diet (was still doing some heart health cardio)
-breath smelled awful
-overall uncomfortable with body, didnt feel good
-bp was still semi high
-weight stayed same, and my wife even commented that i wasnt looking as good (dammnnn!)
-social outings with wife or friends became a hassle (thong, why are u not eating potatos), wife giving me dirty looks for not being a normal human like everyone else (for most anti social, always single, getbiggers this wont be an issue)
-not possible as a lifestyle, as much as you read or hear people say otherwise.
Strange because Keto advocates say that initially you get listless and foggy but once in full ketosis that they had full energy and felt amazing. I tried keto once. Zero carbs for over 2 weeks, got those keto sticks that you pee on and if they turn color it means there's ketones present in your piss. I pissed on a dozen sticks and none of them changed color. I said fuck it and went back to eating carbs.
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Dessicated liver tabs
Weider Anabolic Mega Paks AM
Weider Anabolic Mega Paks PM
^^ before my time though... saw the ads in the old M&F mags in the gym
Personally, the worst thing I have ever tried was that 24 hour bicep routine. Where you took two exercises (barbell curl and dumb bell concentration curl) and alternating by doing one set each half hour.
Crippling tendinitis from that.
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Dessicated liver tabs
Weider Anabolic Mega Paks AM
Weider Anabolic Mega Paks PM
^^ before my time though... saw the ads in the old M&F mags in the gym
Personally, the worst thing I have ever tried was that 24 hour bicep routine. Where you took two exercises (barbell curl and dumb bell concentration curl) and alternating by doing one set each half hour.
Crippling tendinitis from that.
Yup
I tried the "add one inch to your arms in 24 hours" thing.
Was doing curls/tricep presses all day and eating eggs and shit.
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Semi surprised that no one has mentioned private posing or g4p sessions.
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Semi surprised that no one has mentioned private posing or g4p sessions.
Those aren't considered stupid.
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Those aren't considered stupid.
LOL...
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I wish I could have handled it as I was making decent gains until I developed the digestive issue.
Never thought to try digestive enzymes at the time though I have used them in the past..........I just felt so terrible I gave up on the idea.
One thing I`ll say is that tons of guys told me I`d get Salmonella (sp),but I never did and I ate a veritable ton of raw eggs.
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One of the "truths" I believe in is that the digestive enzymes MAKE the eggs more digestible and aid in the general well-being of the digestive tract.
Since I've been taking them, I've never been constipated or even had pains.
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One of the "truths" I believe in is that the digestive enzymes MAKE the eggs more digestible and aid in the general well-being of the digestive tract.
Since I've been taking them, I've never been constipated or even had pains.
I never thought to use them because I felt sick from so many eggs and decided to just give up.
In the past I used Papaya Enzymes and Hydrochloric Acid tabs,but I was finito on those raw eggs... at that amount anyway. :(
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Believing that I could get huge naturally..
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I never thought to use them because I felt sick from so many eggs and decided to just give up.
In the past I used Papaya Enzymes and Hydrochloric Acid tabs,but I was finito on those raw eggs... at that amount anyway. :(
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No harm in trying it again for a few days, just remember to take your digestive enzyme tabs!!
THIS TIME, it might just be what you were looking for in nutrition!
It's cheap too!!
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thanks thong maniac and wannabepro, very useful information.
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No harm in trying it again for a few days, just remember to take your digestive enzyme tabs!!
THIS TIME, it might just be what you were looking for in nutrition!
It's cheap too!!
Ya` know,I`m just dumb enough to try it again! LOL ;D
I`ll start Monday with a small amount and gradually build up and keep you posted.
If I die,I`ll sue you! ;D
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Believing that I could get huge naturally..
I believed I could get huge and ripped natty... What a shock when I first dieted down with no gear
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I tried programs I read in Flex :-\
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Ya` know,I`m just dumb enough to try it again! LOL ;D
I`ll start Monday with a small amount and gradually build up and keep you posted.
If I die,I`ll sue you! ;D
Almost every morning I have a protein shake with a couple of raw eggs in there. I like the taste.
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Almost every morning I have a protein shake with a couple of raw eggs in there. I like the taste.
Yeah,I can deal with the taste,but my problem was just eating too damn many of them along with other meals thrown in.
"Digestive overload" is what Vince Gironda called it and it was a fitting description. :D
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Bulking was the thing back in the day. I was a super lean sprinter in college. Then I spent about 10 years drinking gain weight shakes and lifting heavy. I really think I damaged my health doing that. If you have a choice in life of being a perma bulker or lean you should choose lean every time.
I also fell for the supplement nonsense like I guess we all do in our twenties. Just when you realize it's all bs there is another crop of twenty somethings putting out big money for the latest greatest snake oil scam.
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I always wonder if bulking permanently altered my body in a really bad way. Before bulking, I could eat more or less instinctively and never gain an ounce of fat. Then, for years, I stuffed my face with 4500-6500 cals a day. I experienced hypoglycemia after huge bowls of oatmeal, felt awful all the time, and said farewell to pumps, soreness, and the like pretty much for good.
Of course, I did tons of other dumb stuff during this time as well, so it's impossible to say what effect the bulk had. But I can't help but wonder if I gained some permanent degree of "insulin resistance" as a result.
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All the literature states that it insulin resistance is completely reversible, tho.
It would be hilarious if "bulking" altered a person's DNA to insure that they are forever a fat fuck.
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I always wonder if bulking permanently altered my body in a really bad way. Before bulking, I could eat more or less instinctively and never gain an ounce of fat. Then, for years, I stuffed my face with 4500-6500 cals a day. I experienced hypoglycemia after huge bowls of oatmeal, felt awful all the time, and said farewell to pumps, soreness, and the like pretty much for good.
Of course, I did tons of other dumb stuff during this time as well, so it's impossible to say what effect the bulk had. But I can't help but wonder if I gained some permanent degree of "insulin resistance" as a result.
When I permabulked I was constantly hungry. I'd eat a huge meal and be hungry like an hour later. I constantly sweat and smelled.
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When I permabulked I was constantly hungry. I'd eat a huge meal and be hungry like an hour later. I constantly sweat and smelled.
As does all of GetBig
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I always wonder if bulking permanently altered my body in a really bad way. Before bulking, I could eat more or less instinctively and never gain an ounce of fat. Then, for years, I stuffed my face with 4500-6500 cals a day. I experienced hypoglycemia after huge bowls of oatmeal, felt awful all the time, and said farewell to pumps, soreness, and the like pretty much for good.
Of course, I did tons of other dumb stuff during this time as well, so it's impossible to say what effect the bulk had. But I can't help but wonder if I gained some permanent degree of "insulin resistance" as a result.
ALOT OF INNFLAMMATION FROM OVERCARBING/DIGESTION/RUNNING THE BODY DOWN,
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All the literature states that it insulin resistance is completely reversible, tho.
It would be hilarious if "bulking" altered a person's DNA to insure that they are forever a fat fuck.
Insulin Resistance is an excellent example of the cluelessness of the medical establishment.
The reason for the resistance is the cells protecting themselves from damage. It's actually a sign that the body is functioning properly.
The action that is causing the reaction called Insulin Resistance is overconsumption of carbohydrates.
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Bought those magazines. Idiot! ::)
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Bought those magazines. Idiot! ::)
And believed the weights in shoots were legit?
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Yeah,I can deal with the taste,but my problem was just eating too damn many of them along with other meals thrown in.
"Digestive overload" is what Vince Gironda called it and it was a fitting description. :D
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Just REMEMBER to take your digestive enzyme tabs along with the eggs, you need the HCL to start digesting them ASAP!!!
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Insulin Resistance is an excellent example of the cluelessness of the medical establishment.
The reason for the resistance is the cells protecting themselves from damage. It's actually a sign that the body is functioning properly.
The action that is causing the reaction called Insulin Resistance is overconsumption of carbohydrates.
amen
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another shitty thing about bulking/adding fat is that your body produces more fat cells which never go away, they only shrink in the future based on body fat levels, but once you make em, they're there for life. dunno what this means as far as actually affecting how you look, but its interesting nonetheless.
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I know when you're in a perma bulker state it feels really good walking around in a tight tee shirt but in truth nothing looks better than being lean.
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another shitty thing about bulking/adding fat is that your body produces more fat cells which never go away, they only shrink in the future based on body fat levels, but once you make em, they're there for life. dunno what this means as far as actually affecting how you look, but its interesting nonetheless.
This, never again will i do that shit. Maintence or a tiny over is all i will ever do
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interesting how high carb low fat diets can dramatically improve insulin sensitivity?
http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/
also how is it that ive been awake for 30+ hours now, blood glucose at 59 (lowest ive ever seen it), yet i feel great and full of energy, almost manic ???
can anyone offer insight into this phenomenon? always seems to happen when i skip a night of sleep... crazy energy and laser focus. cortisol overload? similar feeling to caffeine.
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interesting how high carb low fat diets can dramatically improve insulin sensitivity?
http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/
also how is it that ive been awake for 30+ hours now, blood glucose at 59 (lowest ive ever seen it), yet i feel great and full of energy, almost manic ???
can anyone offer insight into this phenomenon? always seems to happen when i skip a night of sleep... crazy energy and laser focus. cortisol overload? similar feeling to caffeine.
I think that under circumstances, natural brain chemicals that have a weak amphetamine-like effect get released
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^^second wind, find a dance floor with good music now......do posing routines :)
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Strange because Keto advocates say that initially you get listless and foggy but once in full ketosis that they had full energy and felt amazing. I tried keto once. Zero carbs for over 2 weeks, got those keto sticks that you pee on and if they turn color it means there's ketones present in your piss. I pissed on a dozen sticks and none of them changed color. I said fuck it and went back to eating carbs.
im the latter, after my 3 day fog passes i feel like a million bucks. but I dont handle carbs well, I "bulk" on about 150-200grams at 220lbs.
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another shitty thing about bulking/adding fat is that your body produces more fat cells which never go away, they only shrink in the future based on body fat levels, but once you make em, they're there for life. dunno what this means as far as actually affecting how you look, but its interesting nonetheless.
As you get older skin never bounces back as tight. Last summer I was leaner than I've been in years but had skin ripples on my lower abs. Was so fucking annoying. Tried all sorts of skin tightening creams but nothing worked. Think the only way is to have plastic surgery to tighten the skin again.
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As you get older skin never bounces back as tight. Last summer I was leaner than I've been in years but had skin ripples on my lower abs. Was so fucking annoying. Tried all sorts of skin tightening creams but nothing worked. Think the only way is to have plastic surgery to tighten the skin again.
Wait until you're in your 70's. Plastic surgeons do tummy tucks on women....not sure how it's done for men.
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As you get older skin never bounces back as tight. Last summer I was leaner than I've been in years but had skin ripples on my lower abs. Was so fucking annoying. Tried all sorts of skin tightening creams but nothing worked. Think the only way is to have plastic surgery to tighten the skin again.
love to see photos of your low back sometime.
For science purposes.
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love to see photos of your low back sometime.
For science purposes.
How about a private posing session so you can point out my weak points?
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How about a private posing session so you can point out my weak points?
set it up
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Training in the early morning because that's when testosterone levels are the highest.
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interesting how high carb low fat diets can dramatically improve insulin sensitivity?
http://rawfoodsos.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/
also how is it that ive been awake for 30+ hours now, blood glucose at 59 (lowest ive ever seen it), yet i feel great and full of energy, almost manic ???
can anyone offer insight into this phenomenon? always seems to happen when i skip a night of sleep... crazy energy and laser focus. cortisol overload? similar feeling to caffeine.
Twilight zone 8)
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Bulking is great if you're sick bone skinny. I was 25 years old, 5 10, and 125 pounds.
It took 18 months of compounds lifts, Taco Bell, Wendy's, oatmeal, and protein shakes + Golden Corral.
I went up to 220 pounds and yeah, maybe half was fat, but I was a lean 180 once I added cardio and eca
In some cases, sickly ectomorphs who play basketball all day, bulking can help. I'm still under 140 today (like rest of family) without bulking
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Bulking is great if you're sick bone skinny. I was 25 years old, 5 10, and 125 pounds.
It took 18 months of compounds lifts, Taco Bell, Wendy's, oatmeal, and protein shakes + Golden Corral.
I went up to 220 pounds and yeah, maybe half was fat, but I was a lean 180 once I added cardio and eca
In some cases, sickly ectomorphs who play basketball all day, bulking can help. I'm still under 140 today (like rest of family) without bulking
You were 10 pounds lighter than I was when I started.
Bulking isn't just great; it's a necessity if you were being my like us. But let's clarify something. Bulking simply means eating more than you burn. It isn't necessarily a license to eat everything in site.
I tried the fast food route. That was ineffective and too expensive. I stopped that and bought my own ground beef, whole eggs, and milk. You're right on the money about the crew activities. I played softball with my church league, pinch running for the old guys with bad knees (on my team and others).
That definitely puts a cramp on your ability to put on size, unless you're ingesting calorie-dense foods.
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I have to think the dumbest was drinking a glass of Alka Seltzer before a workout. I think it was Bill Phillips that wrote about ingesting sodium bicarbonate before a workout would reduce lactic acid build upin the muscle. Initially I was drinking Baking Soda mixed with water and some lemon juice and it was awful. My gut would be so bloated and I would just burp all workout then I read in Flex or some other mag about taking an Alka Seltzer. It sucked being so naïve about growing muscle and trying all of this shit.
You know, I've been taking bicarbonate every now and then for a couple of decades, I really feel it helps endurance a little bit. There are so many factors that influence performance so it's hard to say for sure, but I suspect it helps me get a rep more here and there. :D
It does have scientific backing but more for endurance sports, which I don't do.
Theoretically, actually there's some research supporting this, stacking with beta-alanine might be even more effective.
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I tried this "supp" just to prove that it was not anabolic.
Boy was I wrong.
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This was the secret to getting my pecs, traps and "wings" swole
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This was the secret to getting my pecs, traps and "wings" swole
what do U think of that brand? I've used their whey before
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Chicken, potatoes and veggie diet
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I've tried fst7 and think it works somewhat. Maybe not exactly stretching the fascia as claimed but I noticed difference in the feel of the chest in 1 workout. Triceps too a little.
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what do U think of that brand? I've used their whey before
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They DO make the most hardcore Aminos (at least they did back in the day), and AT LEAST they were legit...
Now so many Amino drinks around they're probably stronger too!!
P.S. This is the FIRST stuff I ever bought by mail back in the day, their glandular supp- it worked too!!!
I remember in one month adding 40lb to my bench, where it NEVER budged for months before that (my face got greasy as hell, and my back started getting pimples!!).
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THERE LABELS ARE BASIC,NO ADVERTISING,NO GLOSS,THERE PROTEIN HAD GOOD RATIO PER SCOOP,2 LBS ONLY CONTAINER IS $$$JUST LIKE BEVERLY BRAND GREAT STUFF BUT PRICEY..
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Bulking is great if you're sick bone skinny. I was 25 years old, 5 10, and 125 pounds.
It took 18 months of compounds lifts, Taco Bell, Wendy's, oatmeal, and protein shakes + Golden Corral.
I went up to 220 pounds and yeah, maybe half was fat, but I was a lean 180 once I added cardio and eca
In some cases, sickly ectomorphs who play basketball all day, bulking can help. I'm still under 140 today (like rest of family) without bulking
When and why did you stop going for a heavier bodyweight? Like you my genetic norm is skinny. For years I worked out and ate like a pig to overcome this. Recently, I decided to drop some weight. I'm about 5'10" and I weigh between 175-180, depending on how much water I'm holding. At this weight I feel much better than I did when I was around 200 lbs. Another bonus is clothes look better on me now.
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When and why did you stop going for a heavier bodyweight? Like you my genetic norm is skinny. For years I worked out and ate like a pig to overcome this. Recently, I decided to drop some weight. I'm about 5'10" and I weigh between 175-180, depending on how much water I'm holding. At this weight I feel much better than I did when I was around 200 lbs. Another bonus is clothes look better on me now.
we all prefer you naked.
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we all prefer you naked.
Have you seen me naked? Thanks for the compliment. ;D
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Have you seen me naked? Thanks for the compliment. ;D
You left a crack in your curtains.
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we all prefer you naked.
you are one strange guy... :o
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You left a crack in your curtains.
LOL,,,,
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I'm yet to see anyone who has achieved that super human pro size advocate anything less than 1g per lbs.
Why do you guys are still mixing grams and pounds? Gram comes from SI-standard and lb comes from U.S. Customary System. Originally this thumb rule comes from Arnold/Weider, who are from Austria and Canada, which both uses the SI-standard, so what it really means is 1-2g per kilo of lean mass. If you take 1-2 per lb, you take double doses all the time, so it is no wonder why muscles grow with the lower intake. For example, Steve Reeves used to eat three meals per day and measured his protein powder by table spoon. Most of the protein was sold as pills before protein powders really came to the market at the Armolds era. Grams per pound is a misinterpretation, one of thousands in this sport.
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Why do you guys are still mixing grams and pounds? Gram comes from SI-standard and lb comes from U.S. Customary System. Originally this thumb rule comes from Arnold/Weider, who are from Austria and Canada, which both uses the SI-standard, so what it really means is 1-2g per kilo of lean mass. If you take 1-2 per lb, you take double doses all the time, so it is no wonder why muscles grow with the lower intake. For example, Steve Reeves used to eat three meals per day and measured his protein powder by table spoon. Most of the protein was sold as pills before protein powders really came to the market at the Armolds era. Grams per pound is a misinterpretation, one of thousands in this sport.
You are taking broscience way too seriously.
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you are one strange guy... :o
lån coming from the guy that asked dp if he wants your cream
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what do U think of that brand? I've used their whey before
The company is/was very solid. Reputable.
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You are taking broscience way too seriously.
And you are stupid, so what next?
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You left a crack in your curtains.
No way you would have seen me through the bedroom curtains without my knowing it. I have four dogs. Anything happens in the back yard and they're all over it. Nice try.... ;D
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Even though it seems to fallen out of fave recently, I really place high importance on the post workout meal. Nothing like going into a workout just slightly hungry, killing it then going home to feast and recover.
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Even though it seems to fallen out of fave recently, I really place high importance on the post workout meal. Nothing like going into a workout just slightly hungry, killing it then going home to feast and recover.
I'm with ya...this one is crucial. Pre and Post meals are the only ones that really truly matter i believe.
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what makes you guys think PWO meal is important? just how good it makes you feel?
i know when im hypo after a long cycling session, eating feels like the best thing in the world. had i eaten more and kept stable blood sugar, the pwo meal wouldn't feel special.
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what makes you guys think PWO meal is important? just how good it makes you feel?
i know when im hypo after a long cycling session, eating feels like the best thing in the world. had i eaten more and kept stable blood sugar, the pwo meal wouldn't feel special.
For me yeah it just feels good to be depleted from my workout the get some food in. Maybe there is an anabolic window but who knows, difference is likely negligible if there is. I just like the feeling.
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what makes you guys think PWO meal is important? just how good it makes you feel?
i know when im hypo after a long cycling session, eating feels like the best thing in the world. had i eaten more and kept stable blood sugar, the pwo meal wouldn't feel special.
big difference between doing a massive cardio session. For those, i don't care so much about pre workout meals, because the goal is massive calorie deficit and fat burning. But before a huge lift like a 1.5 hour brutal leg session or something, no pre workout meal means bad pump, less reps, less strength, etc. It sucks.
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What do you eat preworkout, and how long before?
I've occasionally noticed a big difference, but it was so intermittent I eventually gave up trying to figure it out.
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What do you eat preworkout, and how long before?
I've occasionally noticed a big difference, but it was so intermittent I eventually gave up trying to figure it out.
I've switched between working out early in morning and mid afternoon. I'm back to morning workouts so I tend to workout on an empty stomach, but I found that in the afternoon I tended to have endless energy for my workouts. I wouldn't eat anything about 2 hours before because on heavy sets I found myself getting a little sick in the stomach if I ate too soon before. As for PWO. I have a whey shake but tend not to eat real food for a couple hours later. I have no appetite for food after a workout.
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I've switched between working out early in morning and mid afternoon. I'm back to morning workouts so I tend to workout on an empty stomach, but I found that in the afternoon I tended to have endless energy for my workouts. I wouldn't eat anything about 2 hours before because on heavy sets I found myself getting a little sick in the stomach if I ate too soon before. As for PWO. I have a whey shake but tend not to eat real food for a couple hours later. I have no appetite for food after a workout.
I can't workout in the morning, that causes me to want to crash about 5 pm.
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what makes you guys think PWO meal is important? just how good it makes you feel?
i know when im hypo after a long cycling session, eating feels like the best thing in the world. had i eaten more and kept stable blood sugar, the pwo meal wouldn't feel special.
I train 2 hours post meal. TRaining can take up to 2 hours. By then, it's been 4 hours since I've eaten. You bet I wanna get some cals in during that time. But liquid, no hunger at all. Can take me 2 hours to wanna eat whole foods again. I hate to eat, but do feel the need for bigger meals during the "infamous window of opportunity"...
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What do you eat preworkout, and how long before?
I've occasionally noticed a big difference, but it was so intermittent I eventually gave up trying to figure it out.
well I'm unusual, because i need food an hour before i train or i go hypo. The last 6 months of done a keto type diet with a weekly carb up and this is my favorite way of eating ever. So my pre workout is a shake and like 3 tablespoons peanut butter or chicken breasts with an avocado or some combo of protein/fats. throw in some caffeine and my energy and pumps are through the roof. I lift for 75 mins and do 45 mins cardio, 6 days a week.
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interesting. thanks for the replies everyone. chiro have you actually measured whether you're producing ketones or not? ever consider ditching the carb day and going pure keto?
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what makes you guys think PWO meal is important? just how good it makes you feel?
i know when im hypo after a long cycling session, eating feels like the best thing in the world. had i eaten more and kept stable blood sugar, the pwo meal wouldn't feel special.
PostWOrkoutMeal? Why it is so important? Just because it feels good? Ok. Sounds reasonable in this environment, where half of the growd thinks that moon landing was fake. In the real world, when I look how the bodybuilders in the gym are sitting in the lounge and eating plain tuna and rice from a plastic container, they do it just because it feels good? Or could it have something to do with the fact, that you have drain your energy resources to the max at the workout, and they try to fill those resources, so their body would have even a slight change to build some muscles? Relation of protein and muscle tissue is scientific fact, and the need for nutrients is biggest right after the workout, so there is obvious reasons for the PWO.
How about the PWO cigarette? How many of you guys do that? Arnie was defending his cigars in one interview by saying, that nicotine benefits the muscle growth, and there were lot of simple minded bodybuilders to follow his lead, and smoking cigarettes. Well, there is a slight difference between cigar and cigarette, because you do not inhale the cigar smoke. So there is heard of bodybuilders smoking PWO cigarettes filling their bloodstream with carbon monoxide instead of oxygen after the workout. Can you guess which is more important to the muscle, an oxygen or carbon monoxide? ;D
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no to measuring, don't really care.
and no to full keto....i walk around single digit body fat year round now, this diet allows me to live a great life, and stay lean year round with tons of energy, but still allows me to eat my favorite food on the weekends or go out and have some drinks if i feel like. And when i mean eat my favorite food, I'm talking epic gluttonous cheat meals.
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PostWOrkoutMeal? Why it is so important? Just because it feels good? Ok. Sounds reasonable in this environment, where half of the growd thinks that moon landing was fake. In the real world, when I look how the bodybuilders in the gym are sitting in the lounge and eating plain tuna and rice from a plastic container, they do it just because it feels good? Or could it have something to do with the fact, that you have drain your energy resources to the max at the workout, and they try to fill those resources, so their body would have even a slight change to build some muscles? Relation of protein and muscle tissue is scientific fact, and the need for nutrients is biggest right after the workout, so there is obvious reasons for the PWO.
How about the PWO cigarette? How many of you guys do that? Arnie was defending his cigars in one interview by saying, that nicotine benefits the muscle growth, and there were lot of simple minded bodybuilders to follow his lead, and smoking cigarettes. Well, there is a slight difference between cigar and cigarette, because you do not inhale the cigar smoke. So there is heard of bodybuilders smoking PWO cigarettes filling their bloodstream with carbon monoxide instead of oxygen after the workout. Can you guess which is more important to the muscle, an oxygen or carbon monoxide? ;D
a post workout piece of nicorette gum is glorious.
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They DO make the most hardcore Aminos (at least they did back in the day), and AT LEAST they were legit...
Now so many Amino drinks around they're probably stronger too!!
P.S. This is the FIRST stuff I ever bought by mail back in the day, their glandular supp- it worked too!!!
I remember in one month adding 40lb to my bench, where it NEVER budged for months before that (my face got greasy as hell, and my back started getting pimples!!).
Lol you realise that was shit was spiked with AAS right ?
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Lol you realise that was shit was spiked with AAS right ?
^^
Probably was, all I remember it just really, really worked I was horny like a 2-peckered hoot owl as well...
I started taking it on Christmas holidays, and when I returned to school my friends REALLY noticed!!
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PostWOrkoutMeal? Why it is so important? Just because it feels good? Ok. Sounds reasonable in this environment, where half of the growd thinks that moon landing was fake. In the real world, when I look how the bodybuilders in the gym are sitting in the lounge and eating plain tuna and rice from a plastic container, they do it just because it feels good? Or could it have something to do with the fact, that you have drain your energy resources to the max at the workout, and they try to fill those resources, so their body would have even a slight change to build some muscles? Relation of protein and muscle tissue is scientific fact, and the need for nutrients is biggest right after the workout, so there is obvious reasons for the PWO.
Sounds interesting. Can't say I've ever actually seen someone eat tuna and rice after a workout. Would love to see the source of your 'scientific facts'.
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Lol you realise that was shit was spiked with AAS right ?
There was a protein way back that I tried and made my nips super red and itchy. Who the fuck knows what they put into this shit.
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There was a protein way back that I tried and made my nips super red and itchy. Who the fuck knows what they put into this shit.
I would love to see pictures from that time'no homo'
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I would love to see pictures from that time'no homo'
X2 love to see some EDB itchy nips
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PostWOrkoutMeal? Why it is so important? Just because it feels good? Ok. Sounds reasonable in this environment, where half of the growd thinks that moon landing was fake. In the real world, when I look how the bodybuilders in the gym are sitting in the lounge and eating plain tuna and rice from a plastic container, they do it just because it feels good? Or could it have something to do with the fact, that you have drain your energy resources to the max at the workout, and they try to fill those resources, so their body would have even a slight change to build some muscles? Relation of protein and muscle tissue is scientific fact, and the need for nutrients is biggest right after the workout, so there is obvious reasons for the PWO.
How about the PWO cigarette? How many of you guys do that? Arnie was defending his cigars in one interview by saying, that nicotine benefits the muscle growth, and there were lot of simple minded bodybuilders to follow his lead, and smoking cigarettes. Well, there is a slight difference between cigar and cigarette, because you do not inhale the cigar smoke. So there is heard of bodybuilders smoking PWO cigarettes filling their bloodstream with carbon monoxide instead of oxygen after the workout. Can you guess which is more important to the muscle, an oxygen or carbon monoxide? ;D
Many years ago I actually read about a drug company patenting nicotine as an anabolic drug. I tried searching for the reference but couldn't find it. But I specifically remember that one proposed mechanism was growth of new blood vessels.
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Preparation H on the glutes and lower abs when i tan! :'(
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Many years ago, I took a stimulant that contained Yohimbe. That stuff could kill a person. My heart was racing so bad, I was panicking. Never took that shit again.
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Many years ago, I took a stimulant that contained Yohimbe. That stuff could kill a person. My heart was racing so bad, I was panicking. Never took that shit again.
I've heard the same from many people.
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Many years ago, I took a stimulant that contained Yohimbe. That stuff could kill a person. My heart was racing so bad, I was panicking. Never took that shit again.
Same here. I'm very sensitive to yohimbe and whenever I take it I feel like I'm about to die.
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Same here. I'm very sensitive to yohimbe and whenever I take it I feel like I'm about to die.
We should treat our bodies like temples. Sometimes we forget this.
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Many years ago, I took a stimulant that contained Yohimbe. That stuff could kill a person. My heart was racing so bad, I was panicking. Never took that shit again.
Robby Robinson advocated yohimbe claiming it raises testosterone, but from what I've read I'm too scared to try it.
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yohimbe is nice! I take it with ephedrine, tyrosine, sulbutiamine as well!
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yohimbe is nice! I take it with ephedrine, tyrosine, sulbutiamine as well!
Do you keep a defibrillator handy?
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yohimbe is nice! I take it with ephedrine, tyrosine, sulbutiamine as well!
You are shaping up to be quite the satirical humorist.
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Sounds interesting. Can't say I've ever actually seen someone eat tuna and rice after a workout. Would love to see the source of your 'scientific facts'.
Tuna = cheap protein source in this country. Let rephrase the sentence to the more understandable form: the bodybuilders in the gym are sitting in the lounge and eating what ever cheap protein source and rice from a plastic container.
Fact's? Well, while I try to find some scientific facts you would understand, I find a new study which reveals the secret: You need PWO meal IF you are working out twice a day, if you are dieting and training, or training very hard, just to get your glycogen resources filled as fast as possible. For all other it really isn't so important..http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-10-5.pdf (http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-10-5.pdf)
Nutrients after workout:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12580650?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12235033?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1601794?dopt=Abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12580650?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12235033?dopt=Abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1601794?dopt=Abstract)
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all studies refer to performance increases during "SUBSEQUENT EXERCISE" after the first bout of exercise.
do you train 2 times within 4 hours? ::)
exercise does have some beneficial short term effects that potentially could increase the importance of the PWO-meal, however the studies you posted have a completely different point
the main benefits of heavy exercise are glut4 translocation, resulting in more carbs of your PWO meal ending up in your muscles and less in fat tissue.
however its controversial how long these effects actually last, therefore making the debate about PWO meals pointless again.
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I tried not cooking my eggs much so as not to over cook and "denature" the protein.