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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Coach is Back! on January 26, 2020, 11:43:10 AM
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This really sucks...
Kobe Bryant Dead, Dies in Helicopter Crash
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Who?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-reportedly-killed-in-california-helicopter-crash/amp/
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Who?
Roman Fritzs master
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Un-fucking-believable.
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He used come into the sports facility where I had my S&C facility almost weekly with his daughter for basketball tournaments. Vanessa, his wife graduated from the school I coach at now. Man, tough loss in the sports world
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RIP
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This really sucks...
Kobe Bryant Dead, Dies in Helicopter Crash
Dang, a regular early AM fixture in Gold's Venice a while back. True Getbigger. PIP
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Horrible way to go out next to Paul Walker who was still barely alive but burnt to death after the car crash
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hard to believe. he just got passed last night in total points scored in a career by lebron james for 3 rd place on the all tine list.
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The world is full of coincidences
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https://en.mediamass.net/people/kobe-bryant/deathhoax.html
What’s crazier is that there was a Kobe death hoax earlier this week.
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I wonder what he had on the Clinton's.
Damn RIP
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He used come into the sports facility where I had my S&C facility almost weekly with his daughter for basketball tournaments. Vanessa, his wife graduated from the school I coach at now. Man, tough loss in the sports world
Sounds like you guys had a deep connection. Sorry for your loss Coach. :'(
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Damn, was he saved?
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Damn :o
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ABC saying it might of been Kobe and at least a couple of his daughters. Rough stuff :(.
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
Fuck off
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Dude shit all over the man code when he outed Shaq for cheating on his wife.
Never shit on the man code.
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Fuck off
How about you fuck off, self-righteous midget
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
Was he found guilty of rape?
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How about you fuck off, self-righteous midget
Coach lost a close friend, and this is how you treat him? ???
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
You probably should be banned or something. What terrible thing to write. He was with his daughters man.
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His daughter’s were onboard?
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Was he found guilty of rape?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession
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Was he found guilty of rape?
Settled out of court.
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Coach lost a close friend, and this is how you treat him? ???
"Close personal friend " 🙄
He's the one who told me to fuck off first.
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Rick Fox may have also been on board...hope it's not the case
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
It will be Paul Walker all over again... ::)
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His daughter’s were onboard?
Yes
17, 13 , 3 and 7 months old :-\
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Yes
17, 13 , 3 and 7 months old :-\
Most outlets are saying this is false atm. If it it true then kobe must have been the pilot.
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Rick Fox may have also been on board...hope it's not the case
Yes, let's hope that no orher celebrities were harmed 🙄
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It’s been confirmed with one daughter so far
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BREAKING FROM TMZ:
12:35 PM PT -- Kobe's daughter Gianna Maria Onore -- aka GiGi -- was also on board the helicopter and died in the crash ... reps for Kobe tell TMZ Sports. She was 13.
We're told they were on their way to the Mamba Academy for a basketball practice when the crash occurred. The Academy is in nearby Thousand Oaks.
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RIP Kobe and Gianna. Arthur Jones (bodybuilding related) said if people knew how hard it was to fly a helicopter or land one no one would ever get in one.
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This daughter
https://i.giphy.com/media/JQvUME2YOpTgqCKhDb/giphy.webp
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What did this reporter just say? ???
https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672 (https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672)
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RIP Kobe and Gianna. Arthur Jones (bodybuilding related) said if people knew how hard it was to fly a helicopter or land one no one would ever get in one.
This. 2 years ago leicester City were top of the English Premier league, number 1 soccer league in the world. After a game their billionaire owner took off from the middle of the pitch and this happened, killing everyone on board.
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"Close personal friend " 🙄
He's the one who told me to fuck off first.
CNN reporter Twattle bringing you more fake news.
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CNN reporter Twattle bringing you more fake news.
Coach, I realize this is a tough time for you. I'm here if you need anything. :'(
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CNN reporter Twattle bringing you more fake news.
Wrong post, numb nuts.
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What did this reporter just say? ???
https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672 (https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672)
kobe never played for new york only Los Angeles
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@Army of one. Do you cancel games tonight or go on? I’m thinking I’d call them off.
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Rick Fox not on board, confirmed by daughter, other family, and friends.
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13 year old daughter was supposedly on board also WTF
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His daughter’s were onboard?
GiGi was aboard ..yes
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I mean do you people really give a shit?Prob a rapist.lived a great life that most could never dream of.To bad his kid had to die.as for him,I could not care any less.
Not trying to be rude but m what the fuck has he done for you or me?Would he give a fuck if you died?Im with Griffith on this one.
The rich and famous mean fuck all to me.
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Why is this getting more attention on a bodybuilding board then when Franco Columbu died?
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Why is this getting more attention on a bodybuilding board then when Franco Columbu died?
Exactly
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Why is this getting more attention on a bodybuilding board then when Franco Columbu died?
He did lift
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I mean do you people really give a shit?Prob a rapist?lived a great life that most could never dream of.To bad his kid had to die.as for him,I could not care any less.
Not trying to be rude but why the fuck has he done for you or me?Would he give a fuck if you died?Im with Griffith on this one.
The rich and famous mean fuck all to me.
No, he wasn’t a rapist. He was acquitted of that. Just because a chick accuses him (or anyone) of it doesn’t mean they are. It’s not what he’s done for “you” or me it’s what he’s done for others
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No, he wasn’t a rapist. He was acquitted of that. Just because a chick accuses him (or anyone) of it doesn’t mean they are. It’s not what he’s done for “you” or me it’s what he’s done for others
If he was a good person then I guess it’s to bad but I just can’t stand when people get so bent out of shape about famous people they don’t know. I understand your stance as you are big in sports etc...
Also just cause he’s acquitted doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.We shall never really know if he did it or not.I mean OJ was acquitted right?hahaha.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/1221542230457905152
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https://mobile.twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/1221542230457905152
Somebody replied with: :D
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https://mobile.twitter.com/evanrachelwood/status/1221542230457905152
She is fucked
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If he was a good person then I guess it’s to bad but I just can’t stand when people get so bent out of shape about famous people they don’t know. I understand your stance as you are big in sports etc...
Also just cause he’s acquitted doesn’t mean he didn’t do it.We shall never really know if he did it or not.I mean OJ was acquitted right?hahaha.
People feel like they do know famous people because they are in their home (through television) everyday.
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Damn :'(
https://mobile.twitter.com/BackAftaThis/status/1221549683740303363
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RIP Kobe and Gianna. I saw his dad play on the Sixers with
DR. J. :'(.
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No, he wasn’t a rapist. He was acquitted of that. Just because a chick accuses him (or anyone) of it doesn’t mean they are. It’s not what he’s done for “you” or me it’s what he’s done for others
He wasn't acquitted. He was never tried. The accuser backed out and wouldn't testify. She got a couple bucks in a settlement.
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It will be Paul Walker all over again... ::)
Lol yes sir indeed!
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Rapist and adulterer.
New hashtag will be "4KOBE" ..
Let's clean up this city, #4KOBE
Let's make America fair and welcoming again ... #4KOBE
🙄
Lol exactly.people die every second. Poor people who have no money fame of helicopter. Dont see anything on the news about that.
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Video of the crash
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His 13 year old daughter as well. This is completely tragic. I didn't like him but he was a legend in basketball. RIP.
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Lol exactly.people die every second. Poor people who have no money fame of helicopter. Dont see anything on the news about that.
That's because millions of people don't know who they are.
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philheath
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To say that I am heartbroken is one thing as I am confused, sad, devastated to read this terrible news about Kobe along with his daughter Gigi and the other passengers onboard that helicopter. I can recall a moment in time meeting Young Kobe in his rookie season as the Lakers were practicing at our university (DENVER) before they played the DENVER Nuggets. I skipped class to watch them as I needed to see Kobe in the flesh. He practiced with such vigor, such passion and grace that I became an instant lifetime fan that after their practice, I followed him into the weight room just to see if I could shake his hand. As he did curls, I was so nervous but as I began to say hi, he looked and proceeding to say “what’s up, you play here?” I’m responded “yep I do and you’re fckin Kobe Bryant!!!” He was so nice and courteous to me along with some of my teammates that we all were in complete awe and amazement that he imprinted that moment into our hearts forever. I’m sure like many of you today are upset, sad, heartbroken but I’d like to encourage us to all pray for his family as this is something is hard to even fathom and digest. I’m just in complete shock, but I will always remember Kobe for his greatness, his mindset, his ferociousness on the court and the way he loved his family and fans. He gave us all some of the most memorable moments in NBA history and made sure to show us that he was more than an athlete with his work in film and business oh and coaching. My most sincere condolences to his family and loved ones. This one hurts deep. Thank you for listening everyone. Love to all!!!
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No, he wasn’t a rapist. He was acquitted of that. Just because a chick accuses him (or anyone) of it doesn’t mean they are. It’s not what he’s done for “you” or me it’s what he’s done for others
being found guilty or not guilty has absolutely nothing to do with the fact you did or did not do something..
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No, he wasn’t a rapist. He was acquitted of that. Just because a chick accuses him (or anyone) of it doesn’t mean they are. It’s not what he’s done for “you” or me it’s what he’s done for others
Kobe was not acquitted. His accuser agreed to "not testify", if he issued the following apology, which he did. Acquitted means you're found not guilty. There's a huge difference.
First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.
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philheath
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To say that I am heartbroken is one thing as I am confused, sad, devastated to read this terrible news about Kobe along with his daughter Gigi and the other passengers onboard that helicopter. I can recall a moment in time meeting Young Kobe in his rookie season as the Lakers were practicing at our university (DENVER) before they played the DENVER Nuggets. I skipped class to watch them as I needed to see Kobe in the flesh. He practiced with such vigor, such passion and grace that I became an instant lifetime fan that after their practice, I followed him into the weight room just to see if I could shake his hand. As he did curls, I was so nervous but as I began to say hi, he looked and proceeding to say “what’s up, you play here?” I’m responded “yep I do and you’re fckin Kobe Bryant!!!” He was so nice and courteous to me along with some of my teammates that we all were in complete awe and amazement that he imprinted that moment into our hearts forever. I’m sure like many of you today are upset, sad, heartbroken but I’d like to encourage us to all pray for his family as this is something is hard to even fathom and digest. I’m just in complete shock, but I will always remember Kobe for his greatness, his mindset, his ferociousness on the court and the way he loved his family and fans. He gave us all some of the most memorable moments in NBA history and made sure to show us that he was more than an athlete with his work in film and business oh and coaching. My most sincere condolences to his family and loved ones. This one hurts deep. Thank you for listening everyone. Love to all!!!
Lol good ol Phil never fails to induct himself into a story and make it about himself.
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Kobe was not acquitted. His accuser agreed to "not testify", if he issued the following apology, which he did. Acquitted means you're found guilty. There's a huge difference.
First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.
I think you mean Not Guilty
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I think you mean Not Guilty
Yes, meant not guilty
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Kobe was not acquitted. His accuser agreed to "not testify", if he issued the following apology, which he did. Acquitted means you're found guilty. There's a huge difference.
First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colo.I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado.
No, acquitted does not mean found guilty.
Kobe was required to make that statement. "I now understand how she feels she did not consent to this encounter." This is the problem with modern day rape charges. Rape is rape. Rape is not having consensual sex, enjoying it, going and having sex with another guy the same day, going to a party at night and bragging about how you had sex with Kobe and then a day or so later deciding it wasn't consensual.
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RIP Kobe and Gigi.
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No, acquitted does not mean found guilty.
Kobe was required to make that statement. "I now understand how she feels she did not consent to this encounter." This is the problem with modern day rape charges. Rape is rape. Rape is not having consensual sex, enjoying it, going and having sex with another guy the same day, going to a party at night and bragging about how you had sex with Kobe and then a day or so later deciding it wasn't consensual.
Typo.
Meant to say not guilty.
Forgive me.
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He wasn't acquitted. He was never tried. The accuser backed out and wouldn't testify. She got a couple bucks in a settlement.
QFT..
Rumor was he paid over $10 million..
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TMZ UPDATE:
2:40 PM PT -- Officials say they believe 9 people were on board -- 1 pilot and 8 passengers -- and there were no survivors. Still unclear why the chopper crashed but an investigation is under way.
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TMZ UPDATE:
2:40 PM PT -- Officials say they believe 9 people were on board -- 1 pilot and 8 passengers -- and there were no survivors. Still unclear why the chopper crashed but an investigation is under way.
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Gravity.
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If Hitler had died in 2020 they would have said RIP...
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If Hitler had died in 2020 they would have said RIP...
RIP to the oldest man in the world.
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Gravity.
Hahaha, yes that was the ultimate cause.
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Hahaha, yes that was the ultimate cause.
Actually it was the lack of a functioning propeller to create lift that supports the weight of the helicopter while providing thrust to move it forward. Gravity doesn't exist.
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No, acquitted does not mean found guilty.
Kobe was required to make that statement. "I now understand how she feels she did not consent to this encounter." This is the problem with modern day rape charges. Rape is rape. Rape is not having consensual sex, enjoying it, going and having sex with another guy the same day, going to a party at night and bragging about how you had sex with Kobe and then a day or so later deciding it wasn't consensual.
Interesting we all have an idea of what happened that night.
You forgot to mention the girl went and had a rape kit/test done at the hospital that night so it wasnt exactly a day later.
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Oscar winner.
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Bodybuilding related because Shawn Rhoden...
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Actually it was the lack of a functioning propeller to create lift that supports the weight of the helicopter while providing thrust to move it forward. Gravity doesn't exist.
If gravity doesn’t exist then you should not be using the word ‘weight’ in your explanation
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If gravity doesn’t exist then you should not be using the word ‘weight’ in your explanation
Because anything that weighs more than air falls.
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https://popculture.com/sports/2020/01/26/kobe-bryant-dead-msnbc-reporter-n-word-confusion-referencing-lakers/
oops
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She'll be looking for a new job tomorrow.
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Feel bad about the news . This a huge chin check to us well off americans we aall should aspire to bring positive change to others and make that the goal in life
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Holy shit.
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Man is nothing but dust blown by the wind and gone forever... :'(
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Video of the crash
could have survived..
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Interesting we all have an idea of what happened that night.
You forgot to mention the girl went and had a rape kit/test done at the hospital that night so it wasnt exactly a day later.
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Remember coach is an expert on everything including being a self absorbed narcissistic asshole who is an expert on everything notice how he had to somehow insert himself in this topic
I doubt this self righteous dwarf who constantly craves attention and talks about how much money he makes off his shitty diet and training programs ever came in contact once with Kobe Bryant
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Shot down by Chinese to divert attention from the Wu-Tang pandemic
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Dang, a regular early AM fixture in Gold's Venice a while back. True Getbigger. PIP
He was indeed. Always in good spirits. Always signed anything and took all pictures with fans.
N1S you and I must know each other.
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A shame two young girls died I read a teammate of his daughter was on the helicopter
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It's like seeing a part of your childhood die. I grew up in a basketball family and grew to actually like him while when I was younger I had to hate him because my brother loved him, lol.
Many experience it as you get older (actors dying, etc.). It's just that it happened so soon/in such a manner that is so shocking and the idea of the kids dying along with them.
Imagine potentially knowing that you can do nothing to help them and you are going to both probably die.
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"Close personal friend " 🙄
He's the one who told me to fuck off first.
And coach dwarf is so dumb he forgot that case was settled out of court coach dwarf also claims Cheick Kongo would have made 1 million dollars if he defeated Ryan Bader although Congo’s reported salary was nowhere near that figure
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Very sad rip..
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Sucks, but yup, people die every day.
If headline read "John Tidler dies in copter crash", no one would bat an eye, except the Tidler family and close friends. (Tidler himself doesn't know he's dead).
The guy had lots of fans, so they are upset over it. I get it.
I was like that when I was young, until my buddy said "Do you think Kurt Cobain would be upset if he read "Powerlift66 dies at age 27".
No he would not, changed my thinking on these things back then in the early 80's. But yes, Kobe could have raped.
Buying a person off doesn't prove guilt or innocence, so people can have their own opinions there.
Many might (and can if they want) think he's a PoS phony celeb who made millions playing a game.
Some will say he's a hero/legend. Each his own I guess. I'm a "Larry Bird Guy" so, I just say "RIP" to Kobe, and wish his family members the best.
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On the contrary, I would be sad for anybody dying in a helicopter crash. If you survive the impact, you're looking at burning to death in a tiny little cabin. That is a nasty way to die.
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his teammates and coaches hated him, but he was a great player so that makes his life important
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his teammates and coaches hated him, but he was a great player so that makes his life important
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Also coach dwarf “knew him” that makes him even more special
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Also coach dwarf “knew him” that makes him even more special
Come on mate, don't kick a man when he is down - he is mourning his close personal friend who used to come into the same building as him.
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Come on mate, don't kick a man when he is down - he is mourning his close personal friend who used to come into the same building as him.
You are right I can only imagine the pain coach is going through right now losing his close personal friend in
A tragic accident
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Based merchant.
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https://twitter.com/NickHintonn/status/1221549880453320706
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Video of the crash
30-60 seconds of utter terror. What a tragedy.
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30-60 seconds of utter terror. What a tragedy.
many are saying its from a crash in the middle east.Id hold off believing that for now.Kobe crashed in fog on a grassy hill, that was sunny and in to a canyon.From the sounds of it was extremely foggy and possibly the pilot was too low and didnt see the hill til too late.
"We know the pilot contacted the control tower at Burbank Airport around 9:30 AM PT, and the tower was aware the pilot had been circling for about 15 minutes. The pilot eventually headed north along the 118 freeway before turning to the west, and started following above the 101 freeway around Woodland Hills, CA.
At around 9:40 AM they encounter more weather -- as in seriously heavy fog -- and the chopper turned south. This was critical, because they turned toward a mountainous area. The pilot suddenly and rapidly climbed from about 1200 feet up to 2000 feet.
However, moments later -- around 9:45 AM -- they flew into a mountain at 1700 feet. Flight tracker data shows they were flying at about 161 knots."
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RIP Kobe.
You made some great steaks. :'(
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i remember thinking years ago when i heard he choppers to the games to avoid LA traffic, i would never want to be in a chopper that often
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i remember thinking years ago when i heard he choppers to the games to avoid LA traffic, i would never want to be in a chopper that often
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Same.
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i remember thinking years ago when i heard he choppers to the games to avoid LA traffic, i would never want to be in a chopper that often
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Interesting I thought the exact same years ago. I know LA traffic is awful but all the other Laker greats dealt with it.
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30-60 seconds of utter terror. What a tragedy.
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Ari Shaffir may have just committed career suicide. WTF man.
I have to say, I did not like Kobe as a young NBA player but he showed a lot of growth as a person in his later years and became quite likeable sort of like Mike Tyson has.
Seems like he was able to turn off the competitiveness where Jordan never was. Jordan was the greatest but would be hard to hang with him for sure...
In any case RIP. He and his family deserved more time than that.
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Ari Shaffir may have just committed career suicide. WTF man.
I have to say, I did not like Kobe as a young NBA player but he showed a lot of growth as a person in his later years and became quite likeable sort of like Mike Tyson has.
Seems like he was able to turn off the competitiveness where Jordan never was. Jordan was the greatest but would be hard to hang with him for sure...
In any case RIP. He and his family deserved more time than that.
I think he performs in LA a lot too. He should watch out for more than just his career after that. Lot of LA gangsters love Kobe.
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Ari's fine. He's been called out for fat shaming, disability shaming, and a few other things pretty hard, and he's survived. He's also in New York for a few months now, so it will blow over. If he was in LA, I'd be worried for him physically.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU
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This really sucks...
Kobe Bryant Dead, Dies in Helicopter Crash
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https://aleteia.org/2016/04/15/kobe-bryant-saved-by-his-catholic-faith/
Before anyone jumps to conclusions of where with article is from, read it
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What did this reporter just say? ???
https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672 (https://twitter.com/ZoomerMatthew/status/1221533011465756672)
Did she say Los Angeles Lakers?
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https://aleteia.org/2016/04/15/kobe-bryant-saved-by-his-catholic-faith/
Before anyone jumps to conclusions of where with article is from, read it
RIP
I'm so sorry for your loss ,Coach , at least he was saved
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https://aleteia.org/2016/04/15/kobe-bryant-saved-by-his-catholic-faith/
Before anyone jumps to conclusions of where with article is from, read it
If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
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https://aleteia.org/2016/04/15/kobe-bryant-saved-by-his-catholic-faith/
Before anyone jumps to conclusions of where with article is from, read it
What conclusion am I jumping to when the fucking url says kobe bryant saved by his catholic faith and contains an article expounding on this, with no surprise twist.
I know you're grieving for your close personal friend, who was in the same building as you - and possibly operated doors with hinges, that served as portals for you to - but you need to think straight.
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https://aleteia.org/2016/04/15/kobe-bryant-saved-by-his-catholic-faith/
Before anyone jumps to conclusions of where with article is from, read it
Buddy you’re nuts with this. Man just when you think you’re somewhat smart you post this? I feel bad for you Coach. Yes this got him and his family far, all the way to 41.
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What conclusion am I jumping to when the fucking url says kobe bryant saved by his catholic faith and contains an article expounding on this, with no surprise twist.
I know you're grieving for your close personal friend, who was in the same building as you - and possibly operated doors with hinges, that served as portals for you to - but you need to think straight.
If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
Why the hate guys ,today The coach lost his best friend ,give him a break .
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You guys are twisted
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You guys are twisted
I agree , they're fucked up
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You guys are twisted
Drop the god shit man. It’s so antiquated.
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Video of the crash
They went out in poor flying conditions. The LAPD grounded all of their helicopters this morning. I am going to guess it was a visibility type of crash. I guess we will find out the details. An OC coach died with his wife and daughters too. Does "Coach" know them?
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B0pQfgi9ZqU
That's fascinating. The time stamp is after 5 PM, so it's using UTC.
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Drop the god shit man. It’s so antiquated.
If you dumbasses would just read the fucking content. This is what I meant when I said “before you jump to conclusions”
“In 2003, Kobe Bryant was accused of raping a woman in his hotel room, while he was in Colorado for knee surgery. He admitted having sex with the woman but denied rape. A judge eventually dropped the charges, but the woman went on to file a civil lawsuit against Bryant that was settled outside of court. In the midst of it all, he issued a public apology, stating that he was sincerely ashamed of what he had done.“
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They went out in poor flying conditions. The LAPD grounded all of their helicopters this morning. I am going to guess it was a visibility type of crash. I guess we will find out the details. An OC coach died with his wife and daughters too. Does "Coach" know them?
The only thing I said he would come into the facility where I had my S&C facility. My last facility was within a 120,000sqft sports complex. Mostly basketball with 14 courts where tournaments where held. Lakers kids camps where held there every season. Lakers players would come in and out all the time.
Gianna played basketball and one of his younger daughters played on the soccer fields there. No, I met him once but didn’t know him.
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If you dumbasses would just read the fucking content. This is what I meant when I said “before you jump to conclusions”
“In 2003, Kobe Bryant was accused of raping a woman in his hotel room, while he was in Colorado for knee surgery. He admitted having sex with the woman but denied rape. A judge eventually dropped the charges, but the woman went on to file a civil lawsuit against Bryant that was settled outside of court. In the midst of it all, he issued a public apology, stating that he was sincerely ashamed of what he had done.“
You must be overcome by grief and not thinking straight. We already know the story. The apology was even pasted a few pages back.
I realise you must defend your close personal building cohabitation mate, but we're operating at full capacity, due to not having been honoured with being in the same building as Kobe.
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This really sucks...
Kobe Bryant Dead, Dies in Helicopter Crash
RIP too one of the all time greats in the history of Basketball always a different feel too someone passing when their children are with them :( :( :(
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He was indeed. Always in good spirits. Always signed anything and took all pictures with fans.
N1S you and I must know each other.
I'd bet we were there at the same times, seeing the same things, looking out over the floor from the high perch of the stationary bikes
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If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
Life isn’t promised. The Christian faith isn’t one of follow God and everything goes great. The belief is follow God and everything will be worth something.
The Bible is full of accounts of suffering, pain and loss, for Godly people. God even had His own Son crucified.
By all accounts Kobe had a great life, but it was lived with a double edge sword. If Kobe wasn’t the great basketball player he wouldn’t have been traveling by helicopter so often. Maybe he doesn’t die at 41 if he’s riding in a car.
If Kobe was born 75 years earlier he wouldn’t have been known today. We all die. Some deaths are better than others but even in best case scenarios it doesn’t erase the pain and trauma the survivors go through.
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Seems like from the radar and pings that the pilot literally flew the helicopter in to the mountain at 160mph while maintaining a level altitude, more than likely didnt even see the mountain through the fog and they all died instantly.
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He was a lying, cheating rapist. RIP asshole.
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This is truly a tragedy, Kobe was so young...I always liked him as a champion that handled being in the spotlight rather well. This sucks!
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Fuck Kobe Bryant.
Everyone crying their hearts out on Facebook.
All of a sudden he was everyone's favorite person,and also role model ???
Fuck them too,lying cretinous morons.
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If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
First of all it is very arrogant and ignorant to presume to know why God does anything ever. It is not for us to know, we are merely to be grateful for what we have, to chrrish the moments we are blessed with, to love God with all our hearts and to love each other.
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And why should I care about Kobe Bryant? ???
Would he care if I die?
Or any of you?
Except for his best friend Coach,none of you would matter.
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If he was a devote Catholic, why did God take him in a helicopter crash, along with his daughter. That's a horrible way to die, and now his wife and kids have to suffer. Was God punishing him?
God works in mysterious ways. :-\
You are assuming that the Creator is benevolent. What if the Creator is a Voyeur?
From your post it sounds like you are an atheist correct? You are being sarcastic when you say "God works in mysterious ways". What you really mean to say is:"See this is why God does not exist and is a fairy tale!".
In a dog fight, the humans organizing it is the Creator. They build a cage. They decide which dogs will fight. They place them in the cage. They Created the dog fight. Without the humans the dogs might have never met and fought. Why they make the dogs suffer in the fight is irrelevant to the winner / loser goal of the fight.
In Kobe's case, if he was a devote Catholic, him dying in a crash does not mean that God was punishing him. Kobe and his daughter were going to die at some point in their lives. In this case they died sooner than expected.
I see the Creation as organic and not following a planned script. The beauty is that there are all these possibilities and choices that can make the difference between living and dying. Should Kobe have taken a limo instead of flying in a helicopter? Should he have bought a helicopter? Maybe he hired the wrong maintenance crew or pilot? Perhaps there was a defect on the aircraft?
Based on how complex the Universe is it is clear that there are trillions of possibilities and the Creator designed it that way. I don't think it is odd that Kobe could die in a plane crash and a Creator can exist.
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And why should I care about Kobe Bryant? ???
Would he care if I die?
Or any of you?
Except for his best friend Coach,none of you would matter.
I think it sucks that he died at a relatively young age and that his daughter did not even reach adulthood. The coach, his wife and child all died also.
People die all the time I get it. All I know is I wouldn't like it if that happened to me or a family member. So in that sense I care. But life moves on. Shit happens. It does seem like it is not a good idea to get your own aircraft if you're a celebrity lol. How many have now died? Travolta better double check his equipment. He is an experienced pilot but still the dude better be careful!
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I think it sucks that he died at a relatively young age and that his daughter did not even reach adulthood. The coach, his wife and child all died also.
People die all the time I get it. All I know is I wouldn't like it if that happened to me or a family member. So in that sense I care. But life moves on. Shit happens. It does seem like it is not a good idea to get your own aircraft if you're a celebrity lol. How many have now died? Travolta better double check his equipment. He is an experienced pilot but still the dude better be careful!
It seems more like a JFK Jr and Aaliyah type crash. That controller audio said nothing about a malfunction. LAPD kept all of their copters grounded b/c of thick fog. Kobe copter hits mountainous area flying low roughly at 160 mph. Will this turn out to be a situation where the flight should have been canceled?
For me it's always about the children in these type of accidents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYKNqvsbKw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYKNqvsbKw)
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And why should I care about Kobe Bryant? ???
Would he care if I die?
Or any of you?
Except for his best friend Coach,none of you would matter.
Does this really need to be explained? Really? Kobe wouldn't care if you or I die because he doesn't know us. If he sees our names it would mean nothing to him.
You and I recognize his name and know him because of what he did with his life. The effect he had on billions of people. Is that really so hard to understand? Now it's quite valid to say that you don't care if he died because he didn't know you or you think he was a bad person, but don't presume to speak for the billions of people who do care. You may think it's silly and that's fine just as the vast majority don't agree with you and are affected by it deeply.
Even though I was just twelve years old I remember the impact it made on me when Bruce Lee died. More so than when one of my grandmothers died because I never met her or heard much of her growing up so she had zero impact on my life. Bruce Lee was a huge inspiration to me as a kid.
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He was a lying, cheating rapist. RIP asshole.
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I was never a basketball fan but the one impression that Kobe made on me was when he was drafted into the NBA at 17 years old. By the time someone gets to the NBA they have had to have beaten out tens of thousands of others vying for the one spot. And that's for a bench warmer. Forget about being a superstar. They are the truly gifted ones with the discipline to nurture it. But at 17 years old, hanging with the most elite gifted fully grown-up men, really made an impression on me. It confirmed the belief I had developed through personal experience and just following athletes that achieved greatness. That's it's a lie that champions are made and not born. They are born then made. As Arthur James said "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." (I know he was not the originator but it's when I first heard it). At 17 years old he simply didn't live long enough to train as long and as hard as the ones he was competing with and against. He was born with a gift and no amount of hard training can compete with that if you don't have the innate talent. Same with Lebron James.
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Does this really need to be explained? Really? Kobe wouldn't care if you or I die because he doesn't know us. If he sees our names it would mean nothing to him.
You and I recognize his name and know him because of what he did with his life. The effect he had on billions of people. Is that really so hard to understand? Now it's quite valid to say that you don't care if he died because he didn't know you or you think he was a bad person, but don't presume to speak for the billions of people who do care. You may think it's silly and that's fine just as the vast majority don't agree with you and are affected by it deeply.
Even though I was just twelve years old I remember the impact it made on me when Bruce Lee died. More so than when one of my grandmothers died because I never met her or heard much of her growing up so she had zero impact on my life. Bruce Lee was a huge inspiration to me as a kid.
when I think of bruce lee he transcended his sport he was bigger than it whenever someone mentions martial arts Bruce lee for millions and millions of people know who he is he’s the King, just like Ali in boxing Jordon in basketball and Arnold in bodybuilding, Bob Marley in reggae, Elvis in rock n roll etc
those guys went beyond being legendary and rightfully are known is genuine icons and when a icon dies millions of people all around the world are touched in some way or another I’m not 100% sure how close Kobe got too transcending his sport but there’s no doubt he’s one of the best too ever do it he’s certainly impacted millions worldwide sad that his young daughter went with him that adds too what people are feeling
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when I think of bruce lee he transcended his sport he was bigger than it whenever someone mentions martial arts Bruce lee for millions and millions of people know who he is he’s the King, just like Ali in boxing Jordon in basketball and Arnold in bodybuilding, Bob Marley in reggae, Elvis in rock n roll etc
those guys went beyond being legendary and rightfully are known is genuine icons and when a icon dies millions of people all around the world are touched in some way or another I’m not 100% sure how close Kobe got too transcending his sport but there’s no doubt he’s one of the best too ever do it he’s certainly impacted millions worldwide sad that his young daughter went with him that adds too what people are feeling
Another factor to consider is that Kobe died so young and unexpectedly. Just like Bruce Lee and Elvis. Ali was bigger than all of them (except maybe Elvis) but his death did not come as a big surprise. The impact is greater when death just comes out of nowhere like this.
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Lucky for me I got no private helicopter so this won't happen to me.... :D
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You are assuming that the Creator is benevolent. What if the Creator is a Voyeur?
From your post it sounds like you are an atheist correct? You are being sarcastic when you say "God works in mysterious ways". What you really mean to say is:"See this is why God does not exist and is a fairy tale!".
In a dog fight, the humans organizing it is the Creator. They build a cage. They decide which dogs will fight. They place them in the cage. They Created the dog fight. Without the humans the dogs might have never met and fought. Why they make the dogs suffer in the fight is irrelevant to the winner / loser goal of the fight.
In Kobe's case, if he was a devote Catholic, him dying in a crash does not mean that God was punishing him. Kobe and his daughter were going to die at some point in their lives. In this case they died sooner than expected.
I see the Creation as organic and not following a planned script. The beauty is that there are all these possibilities and choices that can make the difference between living and dying. Should Kobe have taken a limo instead of flying in a helicopter? Should he have bought a helicopter? Maybe he hired the wrong maintenance crew or pilot? Perhaps there was a defect on the aircraft?
Based on how complex the Universe is it is clear that there are trillions of possibilities and the Creator designed it that way. I don't think it is odd that Kobe could die in a plane crash and a Creator can exist.
You assume too much. No, I am not an atheist.
Your theory makes the most sense in this strange world. :-\
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oh damn, so the fucking chopper pilot felt that he was confident in flying in heavy fog and got disoriented and lost control and took all lives to hell with him....grrrrr.....audio released from air traffic controllers even told him he was flying too fucking low and to pull up......I guess they couldn't wait for the weather to clear out and they had to die that day
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Why risk flying into fog?
Was the pilot drunk?
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Crazy how some people are acting.. Crying like they knew him personally..
;D ;D
Millions of people die every day..
Watching ESPN this morning.
They make Kobe Bryant sound like he was a saint..
;D ;D
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Most of people‘s lives are so boring they have to live them through other people‘s achievements/adventures. It‘s a tragedy no doubt but it doesn‘t affect me personally.
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Kobe Bryant died 23 years too late today.
He got away with rape because all the Hollywood liberals who attack comedy enjoy rooting for the Lakers more than they dislike rape.
Big ups to the hero who forgot to gas up his chopper.
I hate the Lakers.
What a great day! #Fuckthelakers
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9Wi5NO2us (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV9Wi5NO2us)
look at the fog in the background. the problem in cal is, fog is more like smog, thick like mayonnaise.
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Holy shit, he said that? Fuck man, even if he didn’t like Kobe there were other people on board. Jeez what an asshole.
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News was on gym TV's, what a phony Fuster-Cluck. I bet the TV hosts couldn't tell you how many US troops died so far in 2020 in Afghanistan?
NBA player, wow, w hat a hero!! ::)
Phony/retarded country...
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I hope that X-Factor decides to sell his helicopter after this tragedy.
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fuck him , he was a rapist and an asshole, mourn for his daughter and the rest of the people in the chopper...if they were not assholes
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If you dumbasses would just read the fucking content. This is what I meant when I said “before you jump to conclusions”
“In 2003, Kobe Bryant was accused of raping a woman in his hotel room, while he was in Colorado for knee surgery. He admitted having sex with the woman but denied rape. A judge eventually dropped the charges, but the woman went on to file a civil lawsuit against Bryant that was settled outside of court. In the midst of it all, he issued a public apology, stating that he was sincerely ashamed of what he had done.“
in that case don't fuck him...Coach
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oh damn, so the fucking chopper pilot felt that he was confident in flying in heavy fog and got disoriented and lost control and took all lives to hell with him....grrrrr.....audio released from air traffic controllers even told him he was flying too fucking low and to pull up......I guess they couldn't wait for the weather to clear out and they had to die that day
kobe was his boss, wouldn't be surprised if he pressured him into flying
kobe had 500 million dollar net worth, his wife will be sued for some reason or another
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Crazy how some people are acting.. Crying like they knew him personally..
;D ;D
Millions of people die every day..
Watching ESPN this morning.
They make Kobe Bryant sound like he was a saint..
;D ;D
i don't disagree, but kobe was a regular on espn since 1996 and when you see somebody that often you feel like you know them
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i don't disagree, but kobe was a regular on espn since 1996 and when you see somebody that often you feel like you know them
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Thats called a stalker.... ive watched the same news channel for years same reporters if one died thats sad but i wouldnt cry over it
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Thats called a stalker.... ive watched the same news channel for years same reporters if one died thats sad but i wouldnt cry over it
a stalker is seeing a star on tv? ???
the news reporter isn't entertaining and doesn't have anything to do with a team you like or hate winning or losing, they read a teleprompter and you don't watch to see what they say or did, you watch to hear the news
you also know nothing about the news reporters life and you wouldn't care to know
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Flying in any weather would be no big deal to n nba star. I bet hes been on a few hundred flights
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News was on gym TV's, what a phony Fuster-Cluck. I bet the TV hosts couldn't tell you how many US troops died so far in 2020 in Afghanistan?
NBA player, wow, w hat a hero!! ::)
Phony/retarded country...
EXACTLY.
I hope that X-Factor decides to sell his helicopter after this tragedy.
Hahaha.I know I’m selling at least one of mine.
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not a good look for alf
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They are born
I have to disagree with my good friend Pellius
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I have to disagree with my good friend Pellius
How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.
You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya
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How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.
You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya
Haney was only training about 6 years when he won his first Olympia, Shawn Ray was on the Olympia stage at 22, a lot of the genetic elite go from stepping into a gym to pro bodybuilder in around 5 or 6 years
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How do you explain that Kobe, Lebron, and Tiger Woods were already at pro level, the elite of the elite, as teenagers? Phil started bbing at 22 years old. Six years later he's on the Olympia stage. The vast majority don't even make it that far no matter what they do. Three years later he's Mr. Olympia. Most elite bber spend their prime years chasing that title during their prime years and fail.
You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya
Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa used to send him basketball videos to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that , many people see the final product but they don't have any idea how much these athletes sacrifice to get there
Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).
Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.
Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.
He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.
Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"
Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."
It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.
As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]
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Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa used to send him basketball videos to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that , many people see the final product but they don't have any idea how much these athletes sacrifice to get there
Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).
Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.
Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.
He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.
Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"
Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."
It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.
As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]
Mental strength, work ethic and iq are just as big gifts.Everything comes down to genetics.
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Video of the crash
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Link is gone
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You were a high-level boxer. Why didn't you become the champ? If it's because you lost interest do you think you could have been champ if you wanted to? I believe you were in the same weight class and era of Oscar De La Hoya
I suffered a traumatic brain injury as a result of a motorcycle accident ,that was the end of my boxing career .
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Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa used to send him basketball videos to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that , many people see the final product but they don't have any idea how much these athletes sacrifice to get there
Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).
Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.
Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.
He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.
Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"
Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."
It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.
As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]
Remember, I said, "They are the truly gifted ones with the discipline to nurture it."
Kobe worked hard but I'm sure he wasn't the only one. A lot of bbers work hard and juice themselves to death but will never be a Coleman or Heath. Why?
I've seen five Gracie brothers train at various times. They all have the same genetics, same environment, same training. They all worked hard because their father expected and demanded it. The just grew up training and hard training was all they knew and it was normal for them. But of all of them the third eldest, Rickson, was head and tails above the rest. Why? You can't get any more of a "controlled environment" as that. Same nutrition, household, training, motivation... yet only one stood out above the rest.
Again I'll ask you, why didn't you become a world champion? You just were not willing to work hard enough and if that was the case do you think you would have been champion if you did taking into account that there were thousands just like you working just as hard?
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Nobody is born a champion,you can be gifted but if you don't put the work you'll never be a champion , I don't know how gifted Kobe was as a kid but what I know is that he started playing when he was 3 years old ,his dad was a NBA player , his grandpa used to send him basketball videos to Italy when he was a kid , he was obsessed with basketball , it is easy to say they were just born like that , many people see the final product but they don't have any idea how much these athletes sacrifice to get there
Bryant's work ethic is legendary (and that's an understatement).
Bryant would show up for 7 a.m. practices at 5 a.m. After high school practices, he'd make teammates stay to play games of one-on-one to 100.
Lakers head coach Byron Scott would find a sweaty 18-year-old rookie Bryant in a darkened gym, two hours before practice, doing individual shooting and dribbling drills.
He routinely outworked the NBA's best players. During the run-up to the 2008 Olympics, he did full predawn workouts before official practices started.
Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade recounted such an episode to ESPN's Michael Wallace. "We're in Las Vegas and we all come down for team breakfast at the start of the whole training camp," Bosh said. "And Kobe comes in with ice on his knees. He's got sweat drenched through his workout gear. And I'm like, 'It's 8 o'clock in the morning. Where is he coming from?'"
Wade added, "Everybody else just woke up. We're all yawning, and he's already three hours and a full workout into his day."
It wasn't just on the court. Bryant claims to have taught himself to play Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata on the piano throughout the course of a season.
As a business pro, yes, outworking your peers can be a strategy.[/size]
Was Mr. Goodrums success due to genetics or environment?
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Was Mr. Goodrums success due to genetics or environment?
Both, exceptionally and profoundly gifted human being .
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Haney was only training about 6 years when he won his first Olympia, Shawn Ray was on the Olympia stage at 22, a lot of the genetic elite go from stepping into a gym to pro bodybuilder in around 5 or 6 years
I didn't know that about Haney. I grew up in the same area so I was hearing about Shawn Ray when he was still a teenager.
With bbing it's easy to see how much genetics play a part in being a champion because it's right before your eyes. You see everybody doing pretty much the same thing but one guy just transforms himself in a matter of months. I remember this one black kid who just seem to get bigger and bigger every week. Six months time he was more developed than most of the guys that were training and juicing for decades. When he started juicing he was on a whole different level. You're talking about a span of like three years. And though he was gifted and got to the Olympia stage, it still wasn't enough when he had to compete with other even more gifted athletes. He trained hard, and trained even harder when more was on the line, but he could never match Dillet who sleepwalked through his workouts holding a towel in his mouth. His name was J.J. Marsh.
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I didn't know that about Haney. I grew up in the same area so I was hearing about Shawn Ray when he was still a teenager.
With bbing it's easy to see how much genetics play a part in being a champion because it's right before your eyes. You see everybody doing pretty much the same thing but one guy just transforms himself in a matter of months. I remember this one black kid who just seem to get bigger and bigger every week. Six months time he was more developed than most of the guys that were training and juicing for decades. When he started juicing he was on a whole different level. You're talking about a span of like three years. And though he was gifted and got to the Olympia stage, it still wasn't enough when he had to compete with other even more gifted athletes. He trained hard, and trained even harder when more was on the line, but he could never match Dillet who sleepwalked through his workouts holding a towel in his mouth. His name was J.J. Marsh.
Great physique
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I suffered a traumatic brain injury as a result of a motorcycle accident ,that was the end of my boxing career .
Sorry to hear that. But do you think you would have been a world champion if you didn't suffer this brain injury?
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I'd bet we were there at the same times, seeing the same things, looking out over the floor from the high perch of the stationary bikes
:D Yes indeed. The stationary bikes high above the action in the front room. My favorite seat many mornings for fasted cardio. Hmm? Let me think...
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Sorry to hear that. But do you think you would have been a world champion if you didn't suffer this brain injury?
That was my dream ,that's what I trained for, maybe, maybe not, who knows .
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Seems like from the radar and pings that the pilot literally flew the helicopter in to the mountain at 160mph while maintaining a level altitude, more than likely didnt even see the mountain through the fog and they all died instantly.
100 percent.
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Very interesting comments from a witness.
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That was my dream ,that's what I trained for, maybe, maybe not, who knows .
Che there is no doubt Kobe worked harder and was more disciplined than almost anyone. But his genetics and lineage played a large role in his success.
If he was 5’9 from Thunderbay, Canada he may have used that same work ethic to get to the NBA. But he was a 6’7 son of an NBA player with an incredible work ethic. On talent/genetics alone he would have been an NBA player.
Alex Curraso could train twice as hard as Lebron James and he would never be half the player Lebron is.
Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with Kobe’s work ethic would be at a completely different status today.
All pro athletes train hard. The truly great push themselves to a different level.
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Che there is no doubt Kobe worked harder and was more disciplined than almost anyone. But his genetics and lineage played a large role in his success.
If he was 5’9 from Thunderbay, Canada he may have used that same work ethic to get to the NBA. But he was a 6’7 son of an NBA player with an incredible work ethic. On talent/genetics alone he would have been an NBA player.
Alex Curraso could train twice as hard as Lebron James and he would never be half the player Lebron is.
Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with Kobe’s work ethic would be at a completely different status today.
All pro athletes train hard. The truly great push themselves to a different level.
You really can't knock Vince Carter's work ethic... Dude is still in the league.
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You really can't knock Vince Carter's work ethic... Dude is still in the league.
I’m not knocking it, I said if he had the work ethic of Kobe. VC was a great player, his athleticism is still phenomenal at 42. He obviously worked and took care of his body, he’s had a HOF career but if he had Kobe’s drive he’s a different player.
*Kobe could have hung around like Vince and been a role player off the bench and still be playing today.
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I’m not knocking it, I said if he had the work ethic of Kobe. VC was a great player, his athleticism is still phenomenal at 42. He obviously worked and took care of his body, he’s had a HOF career but if he had Kobe’s drive he’s a different player.
*Kobe could have hung around like Vince and been a role player off the bench and still be playing today.
Again, genetics. If kobe had Jordans mental strength and calm under pressure he'd have been even better. What separates the athletic elite in the nba is their minds.
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Again, genetics. If kobe had Jordans mental strength and calm under pressure he'd have been even better. What separates the athletic elite in the nba is their minds.
Don't you think there were other players with the mental strength, drive, determination, and presence of mind as Jordan or was he the only one?
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Don't you think there were other players with the mental strength, drive, determination, and presence of mind as Jordan or was he the only one?
To be that composed, motivated and consistent while being arguably the most famous man on the planet in the 90s?Nearly everyone wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure. Look at everyone else who was arguably as famous as him at the time, Tyson, Woods and Michael Jackson. All cracked under the fame and pressure. Jordans mind is truly one in a million.
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Again, genetics. If kobe had Jordans mental strength and calm under pressure he'd have been even better. What separates the athletic elite in the nba is their minds.
Agreed.
Because you also have players like Dion Waiters who think they are the elite of the elite, but lack the actual skill/talent (at the elite of the elite level), it’s a combination of everything.
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To be that composed, motivated and consistent while being arguably the most famous man on the planet in the 90s?Nearly everyone wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure. Look at everyone else who was arguably as famous as him at the time, Tyson, Woods and Michael Jackson. All cracked under the fame and pressure. Jordans mind is truly one in a million.
So only Jordan in the NBA? Not sure how you can determine that but that's impressive. Too bad it didn't work in baseball. Would have been epic.
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So only Jordan in the NBA? Not sure how you can determine that but that's impressive. Too bad it didn't work in baseball. Would have been epic.
Wayne Gretzky dominated his team sport more than Michael Jordan ever did.
And Gretzky did it while he was at a distinct physical disadvantage to his peers.
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So only Jordan in the NBA? Not sure how you can determine that but that's impressive. Too bad it didn't work in baseball. Would have been epic.
Cant overcome all those missed years playing, he was coming around in his second season of baseball but the draw of the nba and getting used by the mlb during the strike cut the dream short.Jordans need to go hard even every minute of practice was seen as completely abnormal by everyone he played with from UNC right up to his last bulls game.It is one of the most noted things about him, his sick desire to win at all costs.Even cheating at cards against a teammates grandma.You cant teach that.
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To be that composed, motivated and consistent while being arguably the most famous man on the planet in the 90s?Nearly everyone wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure. Look at everyone else who was arguably as famous as him at the time, Tyson, Woods and Michael Jackson. All cracked under the fame and pressure. Jordans mind is truly one in a million.
Not sure how you can compare these guys.
Jackson was a singer and dancer ,who had a thing with boys.
Tyson and Woods played individual sports. If there were a hole in their games, there wasn't teammates to pick up the slack for them.
Also, since you bring up Tyson ,he had the rape conviction and years taken out of his career,during his 20's A short explosive heavyweight like him, in a competitive era, is usually done in his early 30's . Kobe ,if we recall, was able to pay his way out of a rape trial . Tyson offered his accusant millions to drop the charges,but she refused. So a degree of chance or luck plays a part in a sportsman's career.
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Wayne Gretzky dominated his team sport more than Michael Jordan ever did.
And Gretzky did it while he was at a distinct physical disadvantage to his peers.
So his unworldly talent even trumped his physical disadvantage? He was quite the twink.
He must have been really, really, composed and motivated.
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So his unworldly talent even trumped his physical advantage? He was quite the twink.
He must have been really, really, composed and motivated.
His unworldly talent trumped his physical disadvantage. On a bad night he couldn’t rely on a god given genetic physical advantage.
His drive and motivation to excel matched or exceeded Jordan.
He was also one of the nicest and most humble athletes in history.
I lived in Chicago and believe me, Michael Jordan was not the saint the media made him out to be.
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His unworldly talent trumped his physical disadvantage. On a bad night he couldn’t rely on a god given genetic physical advantage.
His drive and motivation to excel matched or exceeded Jordan.
He was also one of the nicest and most humble athletes in history.
I lived in Chicago and believe me, Michael Jordan was not the saint the media made him out to be.
I meant to write "disadvantage". My bad. I'll edit.
Obviously, in Hawaii, hockey is not a big sport here but everyone knew who Wayne Gretzky was.
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I meant to write "disadvantage". My bad. I'll edit.
No it’s okay, I thought you probably meant that.
But I had the “senile soggy old beach bum” post teed up in case you didn’t !
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Cant overcome all those missed years playing, he was coming around in his second season of baseball but the draw of the nba and getting used by the mlb during the strike cut the dream short.Jordans need to go hard even every minute of practice was seen as completely abnormal by everyone he played with from UNC right up to his last bulls game.It is one of the most noted things about him, his sick desire to win at all costs.Even cheating at cards against a teammates grandma.You cant teach that.
I have no doubt, being the gifted athlete that he was, could have been a baseball star if he chose that sport over basketball.
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Not sure how you can compare these guys.
Jackson was a singer and dancer ,who had a thing with boys.
Tyson and Woods played individual sports. If there were a hole in their games, there wasn't teammates to pick up the slack for them.
Also, since you bring up Tyson ,he had the rape conviction and years taken out of his career,during his 20's A short explosive heavyweight like him, in a competitive era, is usually done in his early 30's . Kobe ,if we recall, was able to pay his way out of a rape trial . Tyson offered his accusant millions to drop the charges,but she refused. So a degree of chance or luck plays a part in a sportsman's career.
Going to trial with don king tax attorney did him no favors
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I have no doubt, being the gifted athlete that he was, could have been a baseball star if he chose that sport over basketball.
Maybe but it be a shame to waste a 45 inch vertical like that :D
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Does this really need to be explained? Really? Kobe wouldn't care if you or I die because he doesn't know us. If he sees our names it would mean nothing to him.
You and I recognize his name and know him because of what he did with his life. The effect he had on billions of people. Is that really so hard to understand? Now it's quite valid to say that you don't care if he died because he didn't know you or you think he was a bad person, but don't presume to speak for the billions of people who do care. You may think it's silly and that's fine just as the vast majority don't agree with you and are affected by it deeply.
Even though I was just twelve years old I remember the impact it made on me when Bruce Lee died. More so than when one of my grandmothers died because I never met her or heard much of her growing up so she had zero impact on my life. Bruce Lee was a huge inspiration to me as a kid.
Good post
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Che there is no doubt Kobe worked harder and was more disciplined than almost anyone. But his genetics and lineage played a large role in his success.
If he was 5’9 from Thunderbay, Canada he may have used that same work ethic to get to the NBA. But he was a 6’7 son of an NBA player with an incredible work ethic. On talent/genetics alone he would have been an NBA player.
Alex Curraso could train twice as hard as Lebron James and he would never be half the player Lebron is.
Tracy McGrady or Vince Carter with Kobe’s work ethic would be at a completely different status today.
All pro athletes train hard. The truly great push themselves to a different level.
Tracy McGrady was too injury prone
Derek Rose too
Tom Brady comes to mind as very similar mindset to Kobe and other elite of the elites
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How long until HHWYHI threads are fair game for Vanessa? Or instead of a deadpool 2020 maybe something like how long until she's fucking? Or A. How long until she's fucking and B. Will it be back to mudsharking or will she try to cross back over? I'm woke as fuck and don't want to use improper etiquette.
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This chick sent her Hollyweird brethren into a tizzy-fit...
https://pagesix.com/2020/01/28/outrage-after-evan-rachel-wood-calls-kobe-bryant-rapist-just-hours-after-his-death/
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Tracy McGrady was too injury prone
Derek Rose too
Tom Brady comes to mind as very similar mindset to Kobe and other elite of the elites
So you think Tracy McGrady could not train and work as hard Kobe because he was injury prone and that would just accelerate his injuries? Or would the extra work have included preventive training?
If anything this furthers the idea of Kobe's elite genetics/giftings as he was able to push his body further than a typical NBA star could before he broke down. Dirk is another example of extreme dedication although his peak was no where near Kobe's.
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Tracy McGrady was too injury prone
Derek Rose too
Tom Brady comes to mind as very similar mindset to Kobe and other elite of the elites
DEREK JETER
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6OPxxbSyc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6OPxxbSyc)
pilot
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28QYy8lrww8)
witness
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Kobe's dead.
Today we're not.
Tomorrow we might be dead.
That's all.
Life is random.
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https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/ari-shaffir-kobe-bryant/ (https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/ari-shaffir-kobe-bryant/)
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Kobe and Nipper Hustler
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So you think Tracy McGrady could not train and work as hard Kobe because he was injury prone and that would just accelerate his injuries? Or would the extra work have included preventive training?
If anything this furthers the idea of Kobe's elite genetics/giftings as he was able to push his body further than a typical NBA star could before he broke down. Dirk is another example of extreme dedication although his peak was no where near Kobe's.
I'm looking back over this conversation, trying to figure out how this became a matter of one over the other. Arguments can be made for both because both were extremely important. You can do well with either good genetics or a dogged work ethic, but combining both is a recipe for being elite.
There's actually a name for this concept where once your proficiency in something begins to improve, it begins to improve exponentially, not gradually. It comes not just from the fact that you practice more, but because you are motivated to make greater improvements once you get past certain hurdles.
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https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/ari-shaffir-kobe-bryant/ (https://heavy.com/sports/2020/01/ari-shaffir-kobe-bryant/)
LOL, if Kobe had raped her and she didn't f##k another dude less 24 hrs before him, he would have been under the jail with Cosby and Sharper. But because he was an incident he got to walk with white convicts like Weinstein, Stacy, Rosenberger, Woody Allen, and Stanford dumpster f#ckboy.
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I'm looking back over this conversation, trying to figure out how this became a matter of one over the other. Arguments can be made for both because both were extremely important. You can do well with either good genetics or a dogged work ethic, but combining both is a recipe for being elite.
There's actually a name for this concept where once your proficiency in something begins to improve, it begins to improve exponentially, not gradually. It comes not just from the fact that you practice more, but because you are motivated to make greater improvements once you get past certain hurdles.
I think Pelius implied that great athletes are born, which to an extent is true. As my point was if Kobe was a 5'9 male from Thunderbay, Canada he could have had the same work ethic but would have likely not ended up in the NBA, let alone been an all time great.
Conversely Kobe would have likely had multiple opportunities to play basketball at the elite/professional level putting forth minimal effort based on his physical gifts alone (Korelone Young was considered a diamond in the rough based on his physical gifts and he was drafted in the 2nd round 2 years after Kobe. But he wasnt mentally muture enough to be a professional).
It can be either or but RARELY is either one alone enough to be "great".
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I'm looking back over this conversation, trying to figure out how this became a matter of one over the other. Arguments can be made for both because both were extremely important. You can do well with either good genetics or a dogged work ethic, but combining both is a recipe for being elite.
There's actually a name for this concept where once your proficiency in something begins to improve, it begins to improve exponentially, not gradually. It comes not just from the fact that you practice more, but because you are motivated to make greater improvements once you get past certain hurdles.
Dogged work ethic is genetics.
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I think Pelius implied that great athletes are born, which to an extent is true. As my point was if Kobe was a 5'9 male from Thunderbay, Canada he could have had the same work ethic but would have likely not ended up in the NBA, let alone been an all time great.
Conversely Kobe would have likely had multiple opportunities to play basketball at the elite/professional level putting forth minimal effort based on his physical gifts alone (Korelone Young was considered a diamond in the rough based on his physical gifts and he was drafted in the 2nd round 2 years after Kobe. But he wasnt mentally muture enough to be a professional).
It can be either or but RARELY is either one alone enough to be "great".
I would say that either or is NEVER enough to be truly great, but greatness is defined differently in different fields, so I guess it's possible for that not to be true in some cases. I don't think it could ever be the case in basketball.
I could be missing your point (and the point of the convo and if so I apologize for that), but it sounds like you're saying he had a predisposition to be good at basketball because he was tall and agile. Those aren't qualities that are rare among nba players, so it wasn't like those things preordained him for greatness.
There's a book by Malcolm Gladwell called The Outliers. I'm sure you've heard of it and probably read it or some stuff related to it. Anyway, he makes the argument that the people who achieve greatness are people who have had 10,000 hours to perfect their craft. That's a huge simplification of the book, but he makes what I considered to be a good case- obviously, ymmmv. Kobe excelling so early is like the embodiment of what he argued in the book in some aspects.
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Dogged work ethic is genetics.
Disagree. You can start out as an unmotivated person and develop a strong work ethic. Likewise, you can be highly motivated in one aspect of your life and other aspects of your life could be in shambles. There are many examples of athletes and entertainers who are hard workers almost exclusively when it comes to their craft. You can't be tall or agile or stronger than average only when you're motivated to be so.
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Born with the Right / Best Genetics for your chosen sport
Coupled with Strength of Mind / Determination & Hard Work / Practice
Makes for the Top Tier ATG.
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Disagree. You can start out as an unmotivated person and develop a strong work ethic. Likewise, you can be highly motivated in one aspect of your life and other aspects of your life could be in shambles. There are many examples of athletes and entertainers who are hard workers almost exclusively when it comes to their craft. You can't be tall or agile or stronger than average only when you're motivated to be so.
I'll tell that to the down syndrome kids, that it isn't their genetics, just that they are not developing a strong work ethic.
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I'll tell that to the down syndrome kids, that it isn't their genetics, just that they are not developing a strong work ethic.
But someone with down's syndrome can have an admirable work ethic. They just have mental and physical limitations that limit what they can achieve. Those are two separate things. Someone without down's syndrome can have a strong work ethic, too, but may not have a body that is naturally strong or fast. Someone who is a natural runner could beat them in a race, but that says nothing about either racer's work ethic. Work ethic =/= potential, it's how close you get to reaching your potential.
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I know what’s certain and what’s certain is Lebron is about to will his way to a title. I’m no Bron fan but it’s about to be lights out for everyone not wearing yellow and purple.
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Who?
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I know what’s certain and what’s certain is Lebron is about to will his way to a title.
How would he be willing his way to a title when he has Anthony Davis? That's like saying he willed himself to the title in Miami when he had two top 10 players beside him. They are favorites.
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How would he be willing his way to a title when he has Anthony Davis? That's like saying he willed himself to the title in Miami when he had two top 10 players beside him. They are favorites.
He didn’t will himself to a title before. They aren’t the best team in the league as they don’t have the bench. He’s going to need to play almost every min of every game come playoffs
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What if leBron died tomorrow? Would that be as significant as kobe?
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What if leBron died tomorrow? Would that be as significant as kobe?
Good question. As a Raptors season ticket holder and having watched him destroy us year in and year out when he was at Cleveland I might not be as upset
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I once read that of all the athletes in various sports the most gifted are pro basketball players. One of the reasons they gave is simply their height. The average height for men in the world is 5'7". The average height for an American male is 5'10". The percentage of men over 6 feet tall is 14.5%. The percentage of men 6'4" and over is 1%. You now get into fractions of a percent when you're talking Kobe Bryant's height.
So just by height alone makes them part of the elite.
In addition, what makes them also so special is that after about 6'4" a man becomes more awkward and less stable. Graceful movement is compromised as height increases. This is because most of a person's height comes from their legs. Try it some time. Find someone that's considerably taller than you are and then sit down next to each other. Now they are not towering over you as much.
So when you are essentially walking on stilts it is that much harder doing layups and dribbling down court -- unless you are gifted, as all pro basketball players are to various degrees.
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The world is acting like an epic leader (Ghandi or some shit) died.
Very bizarre...
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The world is acting like an epic leader (Ghandi or some shit) died.
Very bizarre...
In a city that has the most famous people in the world, once they finished playing fancy dress and cowboys and Indians for the day, they all paid thousands of dollars to sit courtside and feel inferior to someone with real physical talent. They worshipped him in L. A thus the media outpoor and coverage. Maybe the first biggest star to die who had his peak since the social media generation? When people see someone so much on TV and Internet, they feel like they know them.
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I once read that of all the athletes in various sports the most gifted are pro basketball players. One of the reasons they gave is simply their height. The average height for men in the world is 5'7". The average height for an American male is 5'10". The percentage of men over 6 feet tall is 14.5%. The percentage of men 6'4" and over is 1%. You now get into fractions of a percent when you're talking Kobe Bryant's height.
So just by height alone makes them part of the elite.
In addition, what makes them also so special is that after about 6'4" a man becomes more awkward and less stable. Graceful movement is compromised as height increases. This is because most of a person's height comes from their legs. Try it some time. Find someone that's considerably taller than you are and then sit down next to each other. Now they are not towering over you as much.
So when you are essentially walking on stilts it is that much harder doing layups and dribbling down court -- unless you are gifted, as all pro basketball players are to various degrees.
Funny, I read somewhere it was pro baseball players, all around ultimate athletes
On getbig, majority of getbiggers are 6’4 and over....
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The world is acting like an epic leader (Ghandi or some shit) died.
Very bizarre...
I don't see that at all. They are mourning someone that they have followed, admired, and brought them joy for twenty years.
I really don't get this attitude. I don't why it's so hard to believe that a lot of people cared about Kobe and are shocked that he died so young and tragically.
And it is certainly not bizarre but quite common. The same will happen when Stallone or Arnold dies.
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In a city that has the most famous people in the world, once they finished playing fancy dress and cowboys and Indians for the day, they all paid thousands of dollars to sit courtside and feel inferior to someone with real physical talent. They worshipped him in L. A thus the media outpoor and coverage. Maybe the first biggest star to die who had his peak since the social media generation? When people see someone so much on TV and Internet, they feel like they know them.
You think fans, whether of sports or entertainment, feel inferior when they watch them? Is that what happens to you when you watch sports or a movie? For me that thought doesn't even enter my mine. For instance, I just watch and enjoy watching MMA. Watching a high level of skill that has evolved so quickly as well as the drama of conflicting personalities finally settling the matter. The idea that they could easily beat the crap out of me doesn't even enter my mind.
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Funny, I read somewhere it was pro baseball players, all around ultimate athletes
On getbig, majority of getbiggers are 6’4 and over....
What were some of the attributes they highlighted to come to this conclusion?
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I would say basketball too and have heard this many times before. The sport demands you have a good/great vertical leap which is probably the best assessment of fast twitch fibers, along with huge amounts of stamina needed to play 82 games minimum a season. Throw in the fact the NBA has the highest average salary in the world so will attract all the best athletes.
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I would say basketball too and have heard this many times before. The sport demands you have a good/great vertical leap which is probably the best assessment of fast twitch fibers along with huge amounts of stamina to play 82 games minimum a season.
Watching that guy take one leap from the free-throw line all the way to the basket to dunk the basketball was just jaw-dropping.
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Watching that guy take one leap from the free-throw line all the way to the basket to dunk the basketball was just jaw-dropping.
Which guy? Farthest out I've ever seen dunk is Mike Conley the ex long jumper and James "flight" white, both dunked from around a foot behind the free throw line.
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Which guy? Farthest out I've ever seen dunk is Mike Conley the ex long jumper and James "flight" white, both dunked from around a foot behind the free throw line.
Yeah, I hate to have had to say "that guy". I don't follow basketball but he was mentioned here on one of the threads. He seemed to be a newcomer and everyone seemed to be really anticipating his performance in an upcoming game. I'll see if I can find it. I watched it about five times in a row. I was mesmerizing.
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Yeah, I hate to have had to say "that guy". I don't follow basketball but he was mentioned here on one of the threads. He seemed to be a newcomer and everyone seemed to be really anticipating his performance in an upcoming game. I'll see if I can find it. I watched it about five times in a row. I was mesmerizing.
Ah, ZION Williamson, I believe his vertical has been measured at 45 inches. All the best dunkers now are not in the NBA. 2 highest off the top of my head are 50 and 51 inches. Jordan kilganon is white and 6'1 and the best dunker I've ever seen and recorded a 50.
This guy, Daniel kebaya, while not as stylish looks to go even higher around the 51inch range
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Ah, ZION Williamson, I believe his vertical has been measured at 45 inches. All the best dunkers now are not on the NBA. 2 highest off the top of my head are 50 and 51 inches. Jordan kilganon is white and 6'1 and the best dunker I've ever seen and recorded a 50.
This guy, Daniel kebaya, while not as stylish looks to go even higher around the 51inch range
Yeah, Zion Williamson, that's the guy I was referring to.
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What if leBron died tomorrow? Would that be as significant as kobe?
Is he dying in a horrific chopper crash with his daughter as his side?
I think people who are wondering why there is a reaction to his seem to forget that that is a brutal way to go out.
I think the football (the real football) world was shocked when the Leicester owner suffered the same fate, only months ago.
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Is he dying in a horrific chopper crash with his daughter as his side?
I think people who are wondering why there is a reaction to his seem to forget that that is a brutal way to go out.
I think the football (the real football) world was shocked when the Leicester owner suffered the same fate, only months ago.
same way thurman Munson went 32 yrs old and the yankees heart and soul i remember i was so shocked.diana munson every old timers day is there and as she gets flowers and a nice applause thats class.dean martins son same thing crashed his plane dino never recovered.
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Is he dying in a horrific chopper crash with his daughter as his side?
I think people who are wondering why there is a reaction to his seem to forget that that is a brutal way to go out.
I think the football (the real football) world was shocked when the Leicester owner suffered the same fate, only months ago.
looks to me like they would have been flying in the fog then just black, like being switched off.I doubt they knew or felt anything the speed they were going and the complete lack of visibility.Instant death.
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looks to me like they would have been flying in the fog then just black, like being switched off.I doubt they knew or felt anything the speed they were going and the complete lack of visibility.Instant death.
Uh, well if hitting the top of a hill then falling 2000 feet at 185mph is not feeling anything...well, I doubt I'd want to find out.
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Uh, well if hitting the top of a hill then falling 2000 feet at 185mph is not feeling anything...well, I doubt I'd want to find out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6OPxxbSyc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df6OPxxbSyc)
pilot
Flight data has the helo at just over 100 knots, then accelerating to over 150 knots while descending.
It doesn't make sense to me that it accelerated after impact, so I believe the collision occurred at 150
knots. Any ground collision at over 100 knots will cause instant unconsciousness if not death, and the
impact crater and extensive debris field point to instant "lights out."
You can crash a car into a brick wall at 50 knots (~55 mph), and the air bag and seat belt can prevent death,
but at three time that speed with just a lap belt (which was what the helo had), all bets are off.
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I would say that either or is NEVER enough to be truly great, but greatness is defined differently in different fields, so I guess it's possible for that not to be true in some cases. I don't think it could ever be the case in basketball.
I could be missing your point (and the point of the convo and if so I apologize for that), but it sounds like you're saying he had a predisposition to be good at basketball because he was tall and agile. Those aren't qualities that are rare among nba players, so it wasn't like those things preordained him for greatness.
There's a book by Malcolm Gladwell called The Outliers. I'm sure you've heard of it and probably read it or some stuff related to it. Anyway, he makes the argument that the people who achieve greatness are people who have had 10,000 hours to perfect their craft. That's a huge simplification of the book, but he makes what I considered to be a good case- obviously, ymmmv. Kobe excelling so early is like the embodiment of what he argued in the book in some aspects.
Agreed.
Great athletes work hard.
The only non hard working star I can think of would be Michael Vick, his athleticism covered his work habits, partially.
But my point was Kobe wouldn’t have been an NBA player at 5’9.
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But my point was Kobe wouldn’t have been an NBA player at 5’9.
Why not ?
Kay Felder 5'9''
Isaiah Thomas 5'9''
Keith Jennings. Height: 5'7” ...
Red Klotz. Height: 5'7” ...
Wataru Misaka. Height: 5'7” ...
Monte Towe. Height: 5'7” ...
Spud Webb. Height: 5'7” ...
Mel Hirsch. Height: 5'6”
Earl Boykins. Height: 5'5”
Muggsy Bogues. Height: 5'3
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Why not ?
I’m wrong he may have been played in the NBA at 5’’9 being born and raised in Thunde Bay, Canada. But he would have not have been a HOF player with a long and storied career.
Making it in the NBA at the size in the last decade were I.Thomas and N.Washington? Anyone else?
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Ah, ZION Williamson, I believe his vertical has been measured at 45 inches. All the best dunkers now are not in the NBA. 2 highest off the top of my head are 50 and 51 inches. Jordan kilganon is white and 6'1 and the best dunker I've ever seen and recorded a 50.
This guy, Daniel kebaya, while not as stylish looks to go even higher around the 51inch range
Are you a Hebrew?
you know and follow a heck of a lot basketball ;D
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Why not ?
Kay Felder 5'9''
Isaiah Thomas 5'9''
Keith Jennings. Height: 5'7” ...
Red Klotz. Height: 5'7” ...
Wataru Misaka. Height: 5'7” ...
Monte Towe. Height: 5'7” ...
Spud Webb. Height: 5'7” ...
Mel Hirsch. Height: 5'6”
Earl Boykins. Height: 5'5”
Muggsy Bogues. Height: 5'3
Exactly. In the last 30 years ZERO HOF players under 5’9. AI is 5’10 a historic statistical anomaly.
ZERO players from Thunderbay at that size either.
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If Kobe wasn't rich he wouldn't be dead. Oh well..really meaningless to me.
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Exactly. In the last 30 years ZERO HOF players under 5’9. AI is 5’10 a historic statistical anomaly.
ZERO players from Thunderbay at that size either.
First you said Kobe wouldn’t have been an NBA player at 5’9 , now you are talking about HOF , BTW 90% of basketball players don't make it in the HOF
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Exactly. In the last 30 years ZERO HOF players under 5’9. AI is 5’10 a historic statistical anomaly.
ZERO players from Thunderbay at that size either.
Iverson is 5’11 ft
Chris Paul is 5’11 ft
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Would this guy or any Hollywood celebs give a flying fuck if you and your family members died?!
Stupid American fucks act like they actually knew this guy.
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Not at all a basketball fan except for when the playoffs come around. In this world of turmoil and chaos if there ever is a time when we as men can just zone it out it’s during sports. Not a huge Kobe fan but I loved watching him play, after Jordan I thought we’d never see greatness close to that again, and then came Kobe.
It was a blast watching him play and again it was a sort of way just to just get away mentally. Then came the rape allegations, which I’m going to be honest , just seem like some bitch that got banged, dumped and didn’t like it and sought to ruin a mans career. The entire world should have seen through it but he was never really allowed to get out of the shadow of it. If there ever were a true blood getbigger it was him lol.
Horrible way to die, for your child to die and even now a band of feminazi’s are out there adding tarnish to his name. My prayers are that he and his daughter are resting in peace with our Heavenly Father. Rest In Peace Kobe and thank you for giving people like me an outlet.
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To be that composed, motivated and consistent while being arguably the most famous man on the planet in the 90s?Nearly everyone wouldn't have been able to handle the pressure. Look at everyone else who was arguably as famous as him at the time, Tyson, Woods and Michael Jackson. All cracked under the fame and pressure. Jordans mind is truly one in a million.
he quit twice, once to play baseball so he felt the pressure too
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What if leBron died tomorrow? Would that be as significant as kobe?
i was thinking about this, kobe's death is easily the biggest celebrity death since michael jackson
i think a large part of it is because he played in LA and those games are always filled with celebrities and being a star athlete in LA he made friends with them, so i think that might make his death a little bigger than lebron's but lebron still being active might make it bigger because that creates the "what if" for the basketball years he loses
tom brady, peyton manning, lebron, shaq, magic, jordan, tiger
i think that is the list of athlete deaths that would get similar or bigger reactions compared to kobe's death
maybe derek jeter too even though he was never the best at baseball, but he was a star and winner for the yankees maybe the most prestigous team in all of sports so that would enhance the reaction
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First you said Kobe wouldn’t have been an NBA player at 5’9 , now you are talking about HOF , BTW 90% of basketball players don't make it in the HOF
Nah bro you have to go back a couple pages when I was making my initial point, that being 6’7 and the son of a former NBA player with was a huge factor in Kobe’s NBA career but his work ethic set him apart.
Today I was beating home my idea that Kobe’s genetic gifts/lineage were as important as factor as anything else.
I think Pelius implied that great athletes are born, which to an extent is true. As my point was if Kobe was a 5'9 male from Thunderbay, Canada he could have had the same work ethic but would have likely not ended up in the NBA, let alone been an all time great.
Conversely Kobe would have likely had multiple opportunities to play basketball at the elite/professional level putting forth minimal effort based on his physical gifts alone (Korelone Young was considered a diamond in the rough based on his physical gifts and he was drafted in the 2nd round 2 years after Kobe. But he wasnt mentally muture enough to be a professional).
It can be either or but RARELY is either one alone enough to be "great".
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Iverson is 5’11 ft
Chris Paul is 5’11 ft
Maybe. You can show me 15 links saying 5’11, I’ll share the same amount saying 5’10 and someone else will post NBA and ESPN .com saying 6’, which we know he was not.
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Exactly. In the last 30 years ZERO HOF players under 5’9. AI is 5’10 a historic statistical anomaly.
ZERO players from Thunderbay at that size either.
That's because no one from Thunder Bay (or Lakehead University for that matter) wants to join.
They were getting offered millions but to no avail.
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It was a blast watching him play and again it was a sort of way just to just get away mentally. Then came the rape allegations, which I’m going to be honest , just seem like some bitch that got banged, dumped and didn’t like it and sought to ruin a mans career. The entire world should have seen through it but he was never really allowed to get out of the shadow of it. w a band of feminazi’s are out there adding tarnish to his name.
Everyone has their own feelings on the rape case.
Kobe said they had sex but didn’t rape her but later publicly said he knows the woman did not share the same idea of what transpired between them.
The 19 year old girl said she was raped.
The prosecutor felt there was enough evidence to get a conviction.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28591646/kobe-bryant-colorado-prosecutor-recalls-case-linked-them
Whatever happened is irrelevant as Kobe sort of became an advocate of women and girls. I imagine being a father of all girls helped shaped this perspective.
The rape case is interesting though because people see Kobe as a victim or villain (and mostly victim) and they see the girl in the opposite light as Kobe, villain (mostly) or victim.
That said this incident never really tainted his legacy like most thought it would and that Kobe was able to change his life’s narrative despite the charges (especially in today's culture) is nothing short of amazing.
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I’m not knocking it, I said if he had the work ethic of Kobe. VC was a great player, his athleticism is still phenomenal at 42. He obviously worked and took care of his body, he’s had a HOF career but if he had Kobe’s drive he’s a different player.
*Kobe could have hung around like Vince and been a role player off the bench and still be playing today.
I think we are kind of saying the same thing, and more so in reference to some of your other posts.
There are lots of guys who have a relentless work ethic even at the top tier.
It's hard to say that Kobe truly 'worked harder' than a guy like VC.
We don't know that Kobe really could have still been playing, that achilles tear is a total trajectory changer more than other injuries.
But Kobe had 'something' other players simply didn't. It's an intangible quality. Its not just talent, or drive, or skill. It's a combination of all those things plus the X factor that only the .001% possess.
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Would this guy or any Hollywood celebs give a flying fuck if you and your family members died?!
Stupid American fucks act like they actually knew this guy.
I already explained this. Hundreds of millions knew who Kobe Bryant was. It doesn't mean we were his best friend and knew everything about him but, like you, they knew who he was, and for many, he was a source of great joy and inspiration.
I really don't see what difference it makes about not mourning over Kobe's death just because he wouldn't mourn over yours. Why would he when he never knew who you were.
I don't know why that's not obvious to you.
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I think we are kind of saying the same thing, and more so in reference to some of your other posts.
There are lots of guys who have a relentless work ethic even at the top tier.
It's hard to say that Kobe truly 'worked harder' than a guy like VC.
We don't know that Kobe really could have still been playing, that achilles tear is a total trajectory changer more than other injuries.
But Kobe had 'something' other players simply didn't. It's an intangible quality. Its not just talent, or drive, or skill. It's a combination of all those things plus the X factor that only the .001% possess.
I agree with you bro BUT Kobe’s legacy was his work ethic.
There’s no question he “worked” harder than VC (just in terms of hours spent in practice) there are multiple accounts of other “superstar” players who were in awe of Kobe’s time spent working on his craft; From LeBron and Wade to teammates like Rick Fox. VC stated when he brought his wrist in high school he learned to play with it or shoot left handed,something, because he heard of Kobe doing something similar. Kobe was a grade behind Vince. This was before the internet and AAU became what they are today.
But I will admit it’s hard to quantify “work” or quality work and what works for one doesn’t work for another.
Also the Achilles tear is typically a career ender and in Kobe’s case a career changer but he played 2 more seasons after that. I wasn’t saying he could be a primary option or a starter I meant he could be doing what VC is doing coming off the bench for 10 minutes a game.
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Maybe. You can show me 15 links saying 5’11, I’ll share the same amount saying 5’10 and someone else will post NBA and ESPN .com saying 6’, which we know he was not.
Perhaps
But this site is pretty accurate
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Allen-Iverson-1232.html
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I think we are kind of saying the same thing, and more so in reference to some of your other posts.
There are lots of guys who have a relentless work ethic even at the top tier.
It's hard to say that Kobe truly 'worked harder' than a guy like VC.
We don't know that Kobe really could have still been playing, that achilles tear is a total trajectory changer more than other injuries.
But Kobe had 'something' other players simply didn't. It's an intangible quality. Its not just talent, or drive, or skill. It's a combination of all those things plus the X factor that only the .001% possess.
How about people not in sports like
Jeff bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, zuckerberg, etc.... in ways I think they possess something that’s even greater?
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This guy is a country star, right?
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This guy is a country star, right?
Hahaha
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This guy is a country star, right?
I don't know, but apparently he was a rapist who enjoyed strangling women during sex.
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How about people not in sports like
Jeff bezos, Bill Gates, Elon Musk, zuckerberg, etc.... in ways I think they possess something that’s even greater?
Absolutely agree. We just don't see it as much because we don't watch them in action the same way.
Also business is even more of a 'team sport' at that level.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVK7uYJzO8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcVK7uYJzO8)
drone
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzvMdE6KZD4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzvMdE6KZD4)
flew away from the airport. disorientated?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12bSCpujtc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T12bSCpujtc)
over twa engineer before heading the wrong way
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https://youtu.be/dOee3WQGFv8?t=664 (https://youtu.be/dOee3WQGFv8?t=664)
was he looking for sheriff's helipad?
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Perhaps
But this site is pretty accurate
https://www.celebheights.com/s/Allen-Iverson-1232.html
LOL this is exactly what I'm talking about.
The site is accurate based on what? There comments below his height on the page all argue Iverson is 5'10 and change. The site is so accurate its users dispute his posted height.
It doesn't matter you want to say hes 5'11 that's fine.
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LOL this is exactly what I'm talking about.
The site is accurate based on what? There comments below his height on the page all argue Iverson is 5'10 and change. The site is so accurate its users dispute his posted height.
It doesn't matter you want to say hes 5'11 that's fine.
But is he sexual
(https://www.celebheights.com/sr/p/peter-kent.jpg)
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I think the reason Kobe's death has affected so many people is multifactorial.
Some people genuinely have an obsession with celebrities and sports figures that makes them feel as if they somehow know the person. They know very well that if they were to ever meet, they would be looked upon as strangers, but they still have a sense of familiarity that leads them to live out the celebrity's shortcomings and success.
Others feel that Kobe and many other athletes and actors of this time play roles throughout the landscape of the average individual's life. These are key resounding figures in our lives. They mark an era with their presence. Their names are echoed enough throughout time that it adds meaning to our lives by serving as a benchmark for the time period in which we live in. Just like Michael Jordan, Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ron Avidan are synonymous with the 90s in that they are generational figure pieces that remind us of where we presently live (time wise), Kobe did the same.
Kobe's death is certainly sad. I do not see it as a tragedy, but I can certainly understand why so many are compelled to speak of it and post about it.
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I think the reason Kobe's death has affected so many people is multifactorial.
Some people genuinely have an obsession with celebrities and sports figures that makes them feel as if they somehow know the person. They know very well that if they were to ever meet, they would be looked upon as strangers, but they still have a sense of familiarity that leads them to live out the celebrity's shortcomings and success.
Others feel that Kobe and many other athletes and actors of this time play roles throughout the landscape of the average individual's life. These are key resounding figures in our lives. They mark an era with their presence. Their names are echoed enough throughout time that it adds meaning to our lives by serving as a benchmark for the time period in which we live in. Just like Michael Jordan, Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ron Avidan are synonymous with the 90s in that they are generational figure pieces that remind us of where we presently live (time wise), Kobe did the same.
Kobe's death is certainly sad. I do not see it as a tragedy, but I can certainly understand why so many are compelled to speak of it and post about it.
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I think these things are true, but I think the biggest factors were just that it was a surprise and it was a sensational death. He was a celebrity in the prime of his life, it wasn't just him, it was his daughter and many of their friends, it was a controversial mode of transportation so it's kind of a cautionary tale. Whenever deaths come out of the blue, the reaction is always outsized. It's also the type of accident that probably would have gotten attention if Kobe wasn't a legend.
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I think the reason Kobe's death has affected so many people is multifactorial.
Some people genuinely have an obsession with celebrities and sports figures that makes them feel as if they somehow know the person. They know very well that if they were to ever meet, they would be looked upon as strangers, but they still have a sense of familiarity that leads them to live out the celebrity's shortcomings and success.
Others feel that Kobe and many other athletes and actors of this time play roles throughout the landscape of the average individual's life. These are key resounding figures in our lives. They mark an era with their presence. Their names are echoed enough throughout time that it adds meaning to our lives by serving as a benchmark for the time period in which we live in. Just like Michael Jordan, Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ron Avidan are synonymous with the 90s in that they are generational figure pieces that remind us of where we presently live (time wise), Kobe did the same.
Kobe's death is certainly sad. I do not see it as a tragedy, but I can certainly understand why so many are compelled to speak of it and post about it.
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Why do you think his death was not a tragedy?
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Why don't you think his death was not a tragedy?
he said he doesnt see it as a tragedy, its his personal opinion
I dont think its a tragedy when anyone I dont know dies, who fucking cares about people they dont know?
PS you have a double negative question as well
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he said he doesnt see it as a tragedy, its his personal opinion
I dont think its a tragedy when anyone I dont know dies, who fucking cares about people they dont know?
PS you have a double negative question as well
so 9/11 wasn't a tragedy if you didn't know anybody that died?
i understand it not affecting you, i feel like kobe's ego killed them all and the others probably liked to brag about how they know and travel with kobe makes them less sympathetic, but it's still a tragedy
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I think the reason Kobe's death has affected so many people is multifactorial.
Some people genuinely have an obsession with celebrities and sports figures that makes them feel as if they somehow know the person. They know very well that if they were to ever meet, they would be looked upon as strangers, but they still have a sense of familiarity that leads them to live out the celebrity's shortcomings and success.
Others feel that Kobe and many other athletes and actors of this time play roles throughout the landscape of the average individual's life. These are key resounding figures in our lives. They mark an era with their presence. Their names are echoed enough throughout time that it adds meaning to our lives by serving as a benchmark for the time period in which we live in. Just like Michael Jordan, Tom Hanks, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Ron Avidan are synonymous with the 90s in that they are generational figure pieces that remind us of where we presently live (time wise), Kobe did the same.
Kobe's death is certainly sad. I do not see it as a tragedy, but I can certainly understand why so many are compelled to speak of it and post about it.
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Great post.
I also don't see it as a tragedy, but I guess other's do see it as a tragedy. I guess it's a matter of how invested you are in that person or their life or if you derived something from them, whether physically or emotionally.
But, I also think its important how we articulate and define "tragedy." I would assume there is a drastic difference between "personal tragedy" and "worldly tragedy."
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he said he doesnt see it as a tragedy, its his personal opinion
I dont think its a tragedy when anyone I dont know dies, who fucking cares about people they dont know?
PS you have a double negative question as well
Your shallowness reveals itself again. I know it is his personal opinion and I want to know why he believes that. You have made it quite clear in previous post that the question "why?" is meaningless to you.
I have corrected the grammatical error pointed out and I will extend you the same courtesy. "PS" is an abbreviation of two words and should be written as "P.S." And "dont" should be written as "don't" and "its" if used in its possessive form should be written as "it's".
And not "fucking" caring about innocent people who die really shows what kind of person you are. What a heart. I care and so do hundred of millions of others. Fortunately, people who lack basic human decency like you are still a minority. I often wonder how people like you get like that. So little regard for human life.
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Why don't you think his death was not a tragedy?
I judge it by way of magnitude.
The coronavirus that has killed over 200 people in China is a tragedy to me. There deaths are a tragedy given the sheer amount of people and generations it has affected. The 911 attacks were a tragedy, given how it affected the USA for the last 2 decades and the additional lives it has taken by way of war. The Spanish influenza of 1918 was a tragedy, killing close to 50 million people. These are events that shape humanity, hence why I call them a tragedy.
Kobe's death is a very sad one. He was a fantastic NBA player. But I also look at it from a very objective standpoint. Even in Kobe's 41 years of life, he had already lived a better life than millions before have and millions after him will. The sheer pleasures, things he had seen and experienced are all things which the vast majority of us will never experience. His stardom/fame alone is something that in this lifetime is experienced by very little. His wife and surviving children will have it hard, but it can certainly be worse. They could be poor and without a great father & husband. Kobe's family will never suffer by way of a lack of financial means, they will instead suffer due to the lack of his presence, which will come with its own level of hardship.
For all those in attendance, please understand that I believe his death was a sad event. Kobe's name/reputation echoed throughout the late 90's and early 2000's in a way which certainly made him a NBA name that I could remember far past the time that I stopped caring for that sport. I guess I just look at what a tragedy is differently.
Now, if tomorrow someone on GetBig dies, I believe I know them better than I knew Kobe. You guys are real to me, Kobe was not. Onlyme died and that shit affected me. I literally felt his death and would feel the same if any of you died.
I wish Kobe's family the best life has to offer moving forward.
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LOL this is exactly what I'm talking about.
The site is accurate based on what? There comments below his height on the page all argue Iverson is 5'10 and change. The site is so accurate its users dispute his posted height.
It doesn't matter you want to say hes 5'11 that's fine.
Never claimed it’s 100 percent accurate, said its pretty accurate and more believable than ESPN or anything or any site for the matter
The NFL combine info, however, is accurate to a T, example : Russell Wilson is measured at 5’10 and change and Tom Brady is 6’4 and a quarter
Matt T height approved
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A sad death for his fans and loved ones for sure.
A tragedy, no (IMO only). (Tragic for his family for sure though).
A real tragedy to me is the Vegas shooting, or FL nightclub shooting, or Franco winning the '81 Mr. O.
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Great post.
I also don't see it as a tragedy, but I guess other's do see it as a tragedy. I guess it's a matter of how invested you are in that person or their life or if you derived something from them, whether physically or emotionally.
But, I also think its important how we articulate and define "tragedy." I would assume there is a drastic difference between "personal tragedy" and "worldly tragedy."
You don't feel it is a tragedy when innocent people suffer or die? That surprises me. Where's your heart and empathy that Liberal like to tout so much? A tragedy is when something horrible happens to someone that they did nothing to earn or deserve. They were just a group of passengers taking a helicopter ride, like so many others do, when it crashed and killed them all. Something that their families and close friends will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
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I judge it by way of magnitude.
The coronavirus that has killed over 200 people in China is a tragedy to me. There deaths are a tragedy given the sheer amount of people and generations it has affected. The 911 attacks were a tragedy, given how it affected the USA for the last 2 decades and the additional lives it has taken by way of war. The Spanish influenza of 1918 was a tragedy, killing close to 50 million people. These are events that shape humanity, hence why I call them a tragedy.
Kobe's death is a very sad one. He was a fantastic NBA player. But I also look at it from a very objective standpoint. Even in Kobe's 41 years of life, he had already lived a better life than millions before have and millions after him will. The sheer pleasures, things he had seen and experienced are all things which the vast majority of us will never experience. His stardom/fame alone is something that in this lifetime is experienced by very little. His wife and surviving children will have it hard, but it can certainly be worse. They could be poor and without a great father & husband. Kobe's family will never suffer by way of a lack of financial means, they will instead suffer due to the lack of his presence, which will come with its own level of hardship.
For all those in attendance, please understand that I believe his death was a sad event. Kobe's name/reputation echoed throughout the late 90's and early 2000's in a way which certainly made him a NBA name that I could remember far past the time that I stopped caring for that sport. I guess I just look at what a tragedy is differently.
Now, if tomorrow someone on GetBig dies, I believe I know them better than I knew Kobe. You guys are real to me, Kobe was not. Onlyme died and that shit affected me. I literally felt his death and would feel the same if any of you died.
I wish Kobe's family the best life has to offer moving forward.
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I see your point
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I see your point
And not for a second am I suggesting that what I see as a tragedy should be the tragedy.
Everyone translates events in subjective ways that will dictate what they embrace as a tragedy. His death might have affected some individuals in a way that will forever change their lives, in that respect I can see how that becomes a tragedy given the long-lasting effect it has on their lives.
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I judge it by way of magnitude.
The coronavirus that has killed over 200 people in China is a tragedy to me. There deaths are a tragedy given the sheer amount of people and generations it has affected. The 911 attacks were a tragedy, given how it affected the USA for the last 2 decades and the additional lives it has taken by way of war. The Spanish influenza of 1918 was a tragedy, killing close to 50 million people. These are events that shape humanity, hence why I call them a tragedy.
Kobe's death is a very sad one. He was a fantastic NBA player. But I also look at it from a very objective standpoint. Even in Kobe's 41 years of life, he had already lived a better life than millions before have and millions after him will. The sheer pleasures, things he had seen and experienced are all things which the vast majority of us will never experience. His stardom/fame alone is something that in this lifetime is experienced by very little. His wife and surviving children will have it hard, but it can certainly be worse. They could be poor and without a great father & husband. Kobe's family will never suffer by way of a lack of financial means, they will instead suffer due to the lack of his presence, which will come with its own level of hardship.
For all those in attendance, please understand that I believe his death was a sad event. Kobe's name/reputation echoed throughout the late 90's and early 2000's in a way which certainly made him a NBA name that I could remember far past the time that I stopped caring for that sport. I guess I just look at what a tragedy is differently.
Now, if tomorrow someone on GetBig dies, I believe I know them better than I knew Kobe. You guys are real to me, Kobe was not. Onlyme died and that shit affected me. I literally felt his death and would feel the same if any of you died.
I wish Kobe's family the best life has to offer moving forward.
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So if I am understanding you right, what merits a tragedy is a numbers game and the quality of life that person lived. So what number of innocent people have to die before you consider it a tragedy? And is there a ballpark estimation as to the quality of life one has lived to be considered "he got more than enough good living" so it's not so bad. Is it a tragedy that the other people died other than Kobe because they didn't live such a blessed life? I think that puts the number at 8 people dead, one we know was just a kid. Is that not enough innocent people dead through no fault of their own?
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You don't feel it is a tragedy when innocent people suffer or die? That surprises me. Where's your heart and empathy that Liberal like to tout so much? A tragedy is when something horrible happens to someone that they did nothing to earn or deserve. They were just a group of passengers taking a helicopter ride, like so many others do, when it crashed and killed them all. Something that their families and close friends will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
Im not a liberal.
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Im not a liberal.
OK. Though I have found that many who hold many liberal views such as you do, don't like calling themselves Liberal. Which I understand. But that is beside the point.
You do not feel empathy for people who suffer and die through no fault of their own? Just from a human decency point of view?
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OK. Though I have found that many who hold many liberal views such as you do, don't like calling themselves Liberal. Which I understand. But that is beside the point.
You do not feel empathy for people who suffer and die through no fault of their own? Just from a human decency point of view?
What liberal views do I hold? I barely talk about politics or social issues on this forum. Most of the time I post something, its purely for fun. You and most people here don't know my true views on most topics because I don't talk about such things on a public forum.
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You don't feel it is a tragedy when innocent people suffer or die? That surprises me. Where's your heart and empathy that Liberal like to tout so much? A tragedy is when something horrible happens to someone that they did nothing to earn or deserve. They were just a group of passengers taking a helicopter ride, like so many others do, when it crashed and killed them all. Something that their families and close friends will have to live with for the rest of their lives.
Tragedy: an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe.
It doesn't cause me great suffering, so I don't view it as a personal tragedy. It may be a worldly tragedy, as people around the world are affected by it. It sucks for his family who has to suffer, but I don't view it as a personal tragedy.
It's not a black or white thing, i.e., you either have or don't have empathy. I have different levels of empathy based on the situation and circumstance. Many factors come into play that determine my level of empathy and emotional response.
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Tragedy: an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe.
It doesn't cause me great suffering, so I don't view it as a personal tragedy. It may be a worldly tragedy, as people around the world are affected by it. It sucks for his family who has to suffer, but I don't view it as a personal tragedy.
It's not a black or white thing, i.e., you either have or don't have empathy. I have different levels of empathy based on the situation and circumstance. Many factors come into play that determine my level of empathy and emotional response.
I would def feel personal tragedy if any getbiggers or if you died
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Tragedy: an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe.
It doesn't cause me great suffering, so I don't view it as a personal tragedy. It may be a worldly tragedy, as people around the world are affected by it. It sucks for his family who has to suffer, but I don't view it as a personal tragedy.
It's not a black or white thing, i.e., you either have or don't have empathy. I have different levels of empathy based on the situation and circumstance. Many factors come into play that determine my level of empathy and emotional response.
OK. I can't control people's feelings but I am interested to know their perspective and what motivates them. I just believe that people are becoming more and more inured to the suffering of others and it takes a higher bar of suffering to move them. I don't consider that a good thing.
And as far as the definition you presented, I understand it doesn't cause you great suffering as is the same with me, but you are not even distressed about it (also included in the criteria of the definition you posted)? That surprised me given my impression of you.
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OK. I can't control people's feelings but I am interested to know their perspective and what motivates them. I just believe that people are becoming more and more inured to the suffering of others and it takes a higher bar of suffering to move them. I don't consider that a good thing.
And as far as the definition you presented, I understand it doesn't cause you great suffering as is the same with me, but you are not even distressed about it (also included in the criteria of the definition you posted)? That surprised me given my impression of you.
Let me reiterate my last point of view because I didn't make it clear the first time around.
I don't like to view emotional responses as in either-or principle (empathy vs. no empathy). I have a range of empathic responses based on the situation and circumstance. My response is hardly ever "absolutely no empathy" vs. "overwhelming empathy." My empathic response lies somewhere on a continuum.
As for your belief that there is a higher bar for suffering these days, that's not really true. Psychoanalytic thinkers, including Freud, as well as early Sociologists, have discussed how humans respond differently to suffering based on the situation and circumstance. The fact is, most Americans are not moved to a great degree when 100 children die in Uganda, but are more moved when 100 American children die. The further away the tragedy is in terms of locality, the less suffering and less empathy we have over the situation (proven in many different studies).
So, you ask, am I distressed over the situation? Not distressed in clinical terms, such as that I am crying, cannot sleep, or cannot eat. I don't feel distressed in terms of behavioral, cognitive, or emotional symptoms. It stinks what happened to them. My empathic response was, "Damn, I can't imagine what Kobe's wife is going through to in terms of losing a child. It must be overwhelming grief for her. I wish she didn't have to go through that." That's pretty much the extent of my distress.
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Rapist.
Got away with it.
God knows what else he got away with.
Fuck him.
Good riddance.
The joke in all of this is that the NBA will now bend over (literally) to hand the championship to the Lakers. ::)
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Let me reiterate my last point of view because I didn't make it clear the first time around.
I don't like to view emotional responses as in either-or principle (empathy vs. no empathy). I have a range of empathic responses based on the situation and circumstance. My response is hardly ever "absolutely no empathy" vs. "overwhelming empathy." My empathic response lies somewhere on a continuum.
As for your belief that there is a higher bar for suffering these days, that's not really true. Psychoanalytic thinkers, including Freud, as well as early Sociologists, have discussed how humans respond differently to suffering based on the situation and circumstance. The fact is, most Americans are not moved to a great degree when 100 children die in Uganda, but are more moved when 100 American children die. The further away the tragedy is in terms of locality, the less suffering and less empathy we have over the situation (proven in many different studies).
So, you ask, am I distressed over the situation? Not distressed in clinical terms, such as that I am crying, cannot sleep, or cannot eat. I don't feel distressed in terms of behavioral, cognitive, or emotional symptoms. It stinks what happened to them. My empathic response was, "Damn, I can't imagine what Kobe's wife is going through to in terms of losing a child. It must be overwhelming grief for her. I wish she didn't have to go through that." That's pretty much the extent of my distress.
Of course, I realize there are gradations of emotions. It's just that you seemed unmoved by this tragedy. And, of course, the more distance you are from the victims the less of an impact it has on you. But when I was a kid you didn't have teenagers murdering, and even cutting off the heads or lighting them on fire, of other people like it happens now. I don't know if you remember back in the early 80's when a postal worker went nuts and started randomly shooting people. It was huge and shocking news at the time. This set off a trend and more people started doing it. Hence the term "going postal". As acts happen they become more common and more "accepted" in the sense that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
When I was a kid we had an encyclopedia set and I looked up the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre where seven people were executed. This event merited three pages in the book. Hardy big news, and certainly not national news, today. It's probably already happened in Chicago sometime in the last month.
People are far less honest, decent, and respectful today then they were in my father's generation. And it is accepted more and more.
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Of course, I realize there are gradations of emotions. It's just that you seemed unmoved by this tragedy. And, of course, the more distance you are from the victims the less of an impact it has on you. But when I was a kid you didn't have teenagers murdering, and even cutting off the heads or lighting them on fire, of other people like it happens now. I don't know if you remember back in the early 80's when a postal worker went nuts and started randomly shooting people. It was huge and shocking news at the time. This set off a trend and more people started doing it. Hence the term "going postal". As acts happen they become more common and more "accepted" in the sense that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
When I was a kid we had an encyclopedia set and I looked up the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre where seven people were executed. This event merited three pages in the book. Hardy big news, and certainly not national news, today. It's probably already happened in Chicago sometime in the last month.
People are far less honest, decent, and respectful today then they were in my father's generation. And it is accepted more and more.
If I was moved by every tragedy/death, I’d be emotionally burned out.
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If I was moved by every tragedy/death, I’d be emotionally burned out.
Welcome to my world. ;D
Actually, that's part of my point. Tragedy, needless and undeserved suffering and pain, is becoming more commonplace that you just get numb to it.
That's a tragedy in its own right.
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One thing has become apparent reading this thread.
When it came right down to it....Kobe Bryant was no “Chopperrider”
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I never watch sports, least of all bassetball. This turd's existence or death neither detracts from nor enhances my life and the lives of those I know and care for.
IOW, I could give an aerial intercourse about Kobe Bryant. Some here might claim, if that is true, why then did I feel the need to post in this thread?
I never "feel". I just thought I should make clear my thought on the subject. Fuck 'im. And the media that slobber all over his cold ballsack.
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Your shallowness reveals itself again. I know it is his personal opinion and I want to know why he believes that. You have made it quite clear in previous post that the question "why?" is meaningless to you.
I have corrected the grammatical error pointed out and I will extend you the same courtesy. "PS" is an abbreviation of two words and should be written as "P.S." And "dont" should be written as "don't" and "its" if used in its possessive form should be written as "it's".
And not "fucking" caring about innocent people who die really shows what kind of person you are. What a heart. I care and so do hundred of millions of others. Fortunately, people who lack basic human decency like you are still a minority. I often wonder how people like you get like that. So little regard for human life.
No, you really dont, you pretend to care , like milions of others, you probably roll out the cliche " My thoughts and prayers are with the familes at this sad time" and 5 seconds later get on with your day and dont give them another thought, fake outpourings of grief are pathetic and fake platitudes are tiresome .
And as for correcting grammar, your posts just wasnt an apostrophe, it made no sense.. Jeez, touchy aren't we...
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Of course, I realize there are gradations of emotions. It's just that you seemed unmoved by this tragedy. And, of course, the more distance you are from the victims the less of an impact it has on you. But when I was a kid you didn't have teenagers murdering, and even cutting off the heads or lighting them on fire, of other people like it happens now. I don't know if you remember back in the early 80's when a postal worker went nuts and started randomly shooting people. It was huge and shocking news at the time. This set off a trend and more people started doing it. Hence the term "going postal". As acts happen they become more common and more "accepted" in the sense that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
When I was a kid we had an encyclopedia set and I looked up the Saint Valentine's Day Massacre where seven people were executed. This event merited three pages in the book. Hardy big news, and certainly not national news, today. It's probably already happened in Chicago sometime in the last month.
People are far less honest, decent, and respectful today then they were in my father's generation. And it is accepted more and more.
he doesnt see it as a tragedy, that would be you...
As for people caring about other people , go and read "Ordinary Men" by Christopher R Browning , that will open your eays to what normal everyday people can do in the right circumstances..
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These days people have to settle for my thoughts since prayers are an abominable waste of time.
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No, you really dont, you pretend to care , like milions of others, you probably roll out the cliche " My thoughts and prayers are with the familes at this sad time" and 5 seconds later get on with your day and dont give them another thought, fake outpourings of grief are pathetic and fake platitudes are tiresome .
And as for correcting grammar, your posts just wasnt an apostrophe, it made no sense.. Jeez, touchy aren't we...
Don't presume to know what I feel. What an arrogant self-absorbed guy you are. And you and everybody else understood my post so you just lied that it made no sense.
And it was you that made an issue of my writing mistake. You of all people.
Sure, I make some mistakes when writing on a message board. I'm not trying to display polish prose but for you to compare my writing to yours is just laughable. You have never made a post that wasn't littered with spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors. It's obvious you are not an educated person.
Just this post alone: "dont" should be "don't" (still haven't learned), "milions" should be "millions", "familes" should be "families", "wasnt" should be "wasn't", no idea why you put a space before a period and a comma. Ending with "..." which really doesn't make any sense.
How many boards have you been kicked off of now, including this one? "BeingThere, JeffUK, and now Joswift?
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he doesnt see it as a tragedy, that would be you...
As for people caring about other people , go and read "Ordinary Men" by Christopher R Browning , that will open your eays to what normal everyday people can do in the right circumstances..
What's "eays" retard? And just one period will suffice. No space needed in front of a comma.
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What's "eays" retard? And just one period will suffice. No space needed in front of a comma.
LOL @ that word.
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Pellius,
These discussions remind me of what I experienced 40+ yrs ago when I was an undergrad sitting in a Philosophy class discussing Aristotle's and Plato's view on tragedy and how humans have an inherent need for pathos. I remember the constant waves of empty rhetoric coming from both opposing sides in trying to prove their point over the other. Everyone wore business casual to class back then, can you imagine?
Anyhow, I think everyone's unique experiences will determine their threshold for deeming an event a tragedy or not. In my earliest memories of childhood, I remember summers spent in Sderot Israel where bombs used to go off every so often and many lives were lost. The death of people from both sides was very sad. In New York City during the late 70s and 80s, I remember the days of the crack epidemic and seeing thousands of people dying. These types of events were tragedies for me, as it affected many people I knew and changed the landscape with regards to how people lived, but even then I moved on with my life. What these events shared in common was magnitude (it affected many people 100's-1000's), long-lasting effects (caused that part of Israel to enforce restrictive practices with regards to when people can be outside and increased military presence which took away from the beauty of the environment + the crack epidemic practically destroyed the overall look/feel of certain parts of NYC) and struck home (both instances affected people I directly knew, some friends and other acquaintances).
I think a tragedy is an event that will be uniquely perceived and your individual experiences will determine which events qualify. To someone that has left/loss a job a bunch of times, but always found a way to get right back up and land another job, losing a job isn't a tragedy. To someone else, who has never left or lost a job, getting fired can be a tragedy if they have a wife and kids depending on them and no way to pay their bills.
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What's "eays" retard? And just one period will suffice. No space needed in front of a comma.
ad hominem attacks show that you really dont have an argument..
Clutching at straws over grammatical errors, really.... ::)
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Don't presume to know what I feel. What an arrogant self-absorbed guy you are. And you and everybody else understood my post so you just lied that it made no sense.
And it was you that made an issue of my writing mistake. You of all people.
Sure, I make some mistakes when writing on a message board. I'm not trying to display polish prose but for you to compare my writing to yours is just laughable. You have never made a post that wasn't littered with spelling, grammatical, and punctuation errors. It's obvious you are not an educated person.
Just this post alone: "dont" should be "don't" (still haven't learned), "milions" should be "millions", "familes" should be "families", "wasnt" should be "wasn't", no idea why you put a space before a period and a comma. Ending with "..." which really doesn't make any sense.
How many boards have you been kicked off of now, including this one? "BeingThere, JeffUK, and now Joswift?
We have achieved meltdown... ;D
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Is this the “Thunder Rolls” guy? Giant cowboy hat?
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ad hominem attacks show that you really dont have an argument..
Clutching at straws over grammatical errors, really.... ::)
Cry me a river, bitch. You were the one who started the spelling/grammar/punctuation beef which is just ludicrous as my errors are few and far between and usually the result of sloppiness. Whereas there is not a single post you've ever made that is not replete with writing errors. And it's due to ignorance and lack of education, not sloppiness. And it's not clutching at straws, another concept you don't grasp. The errors are clear and flagrant. You still don't know how to use an apostrophe.
You picked the wrong guy in this regard and now your cry like a baby.
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We have achieved meltdown... ;D
Ah, the go to phrase when one runs out of arguments.
Yeah, I'm really falling apart here.
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Cry me a river, bitch. You were the one who started the spelling/grammar/punctuation beef which is just ludicrous as my errors are few and far between and usually the result of sloppiness. Whereas there is not a single post you've ever made that is not replete with writing errors. And it's due to ignorance and lack of education, not sloppiness. And it's not clutching at straws, another concept you don't grasp. The errors are clear and flagrant. You still don't know how to use an apostrophe.
You picked the wrong guy in this regard and now your cry like a baby.
“Your crying like a baby.”
It should be “You’re.”
Your = possession.
You’re = you are.
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Joswift, Be There, Ukjeff, will be back and better than ever under a new name. He will be making much more than 35k with a new name!
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“Your crying like a baby.”
It should be “You’re.”
Your = possession.
You’re = you are.
Should actually be "yo....Wtf is this, people arguing about spelling and grammar to score epenis points?Who gives a shit, as long as people understand the point of whatever is being said.
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“Your crying like a baby.”
It should be “You’re.”
Your = possession.
You’re = you are.
Actually it should be written as "you" but thanks for pointing it out. I do take some pride in writing well.
Give my regards to Rory.
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Actually it should be written as "you" but thanks for pointing it out. I do take some pride in writing well.
Give my regards to Rory.
pity you dont hold evidence and facts in the same high esteem..
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Joswift, Be There, Ukjeff, will be back and better than ever under a new name. He will be making much more than 35k with a new name!
Why does he have so many accounts?
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Actually it should be written as "you" but thanks for pointing it out. I do take some pride in writing well.
Give my regards to Rory.
For me, part (a great part, actually!) of what I would term "writing" is the author's ability to get their thoughts across with style, including a touch wit. Even the best of "paid" writers have editors to clean up their grammar and spelling.
You write just fine, my friend.
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Why does he have so many accounts?
I have only ever had one account...
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LMAO. Days after Kobe memorial/mural goes up, it's vandalized with "RAPIST".
https://www.the-sun.com/news/340078/kobe-bryant-mural-defaced-rapist
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I have only ever had one account...
Actually that’s a great question why do you have so many? More importantly why aren’t you doing anything else during your days?
Clean that messy house up lol
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Actually that’s a great question why do you have so many? More importantly why aren’t you doing anything else during your days?
Clean that messy house up lol
I only have one account at a time, some I stopped using, simple simon and bethere was the same account, Ron changed the name on it
I work during tha day and train and have lots of free time.. posting on here is fun, you seem to be here as much as me
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LMAO. Days after Kobe memorial/mural goes up, it's vandalized with "RAPIST".
https://www.the-sun.com/news/340078/kobe-bryant-mural-defaced-rapist
Unreal! Whoever did that can burn in hell!
I'm sure a good looking (no homo) rich as fuck athlete is gonna rape a random chick when he is getting pussy thrown at him every single day!
Keep in mind this bitch wouldn't testify and all charges were dropped, YET she found it possible to get a civil case... who would have known!
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No, I was thinking Tobey Keith ...
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Lebron must be pissed. He was never gonna overtake MJ as a legend in the game, but he had done enough to overtake Kobe. Kobe dying like this just demoted Lebron back down to 3.
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Why does he have so many accounts?
On one occasion, he said he was leaving for good, but came back. ??? ???
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On one occasion, he said he was leaving for good, but came back. ??? ???
no one ever leaves, unless its feet first..
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Lebron must be pissed. He was never gonna overtake MJ as a legend in the game, but he had done enough to overtake Kobe. Kobe dying like this just demoted Lebron back down to 3.
Lebron just got a black mamba tattoo and of course he had to make sure the media seen it lebron has to turn the attention on himself
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Having anything tattooed on you that has something to do with another man just makes you a cuck.
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LMAO. Days after Kobe memorial/mural goes up, it's vandalized with "RAPIST".
https://www.the-sun.com/news/340078/kobe-bryant-mural-defaced-rapist
People are entitled to their opinion...
Many historical statues have been vandalized and torn down by progressives, so there's that. (And many in the US dont care).
They should feel the same way here...
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Lebron must be pissed. He was never gonna overtake MJ as a legend in the game, but he had done enough to overtake Kobe. Kobe dying like this just demoted Lebron back down to 3.
tracy mcgrady said kobe told him he wanted to die young because that would immortalize him
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Remember coach is an expert on everything including being a self absorbed narcissistic asshole who is an expert on everything notice how he had to somehow insert himself in this topic
I doubt this self righteous dwarf who constantly craves attention and talks about how much money he makes off his shitty diet and training programs ever came in contact once with Kobe Bryant
Quoted for truth
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Who is more successful in life, Xfactor or BeThere/UKJeff/Simple Simon/Joswift?
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Who is more successful in life, Xfactor or BeThere/UKJeff/Simple Simon/Joswift?
on material things xfactor
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pity you dont hold evidence and facts in the same high esteem..
Much higher than you do. In your world, everything is based on personal opinion.
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on material things xfactor
Who do you think is happier?
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Who is more successful in life, Xfactor or BeThere/UKJeff/Simple Simon/Joswift?
He’s more jacked and always will be. :D
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Why does he have so many accounts?
Because he gets repeatedly owned and humiliated and then has to start all over with a new account. Also, if he just had one account people would notice he would have about a 50,000 post count. Jeeze, I post a lot here and it takes a lot of my time but he more than doubles that.
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Because he gets repeatedly owned and humiliated and then has to start all over with a new account. Also, if he just had one account people would notice he would have about a 50,000 post count. Jeeze, I post a lot here and it takes a lot of my time but he more than doubles that.
Jesus Pellius. Dropping beat downs all over the place on this guy.
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Actually that’s a great question why do you have so many? More importantly why aren’t you doing anything else during your days?
Clean that messy house up lol
Because at 55 years old he's still living the lazy, fratboy, bbing lifestyle. Working just enough as a personal trainer to get by (30,000 grand a year by his account) and spend the rest of his time training, posting on GetBig, and resting and recovering to get "huge".
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Because at 55 years old he's still living the lazy, fratboy, bbing lifestyle. Working just enough as a personal trainer to get by (30,000 grand a year by his account) and spend the rest of his time training, posting on GetBig, and resting and recovering to get "huge".
Lol I see the laziness in the messy house albeit his physique crushes mine. My house is cleaner.
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I want the life of Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT.
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I want the life of Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT.
Sounds relaxing! You don’t want mine it’s full of work, chasing my kids around, sprinkled with a few fun vacations.
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Who is more successful in life, Xfactor or BeThere/UKJeff/Simple Simon/Joswift?
I've had serious beefs with both of them so it's not like I'm favoring anybody by personality and past personal conflicts but there is no comparison. Xfactor by lightyears. Not only because he is successful personally but because he provides jobs for others so that they too can support themselves and their families. To me that is huge. Knowing that people are living good and fulfilling lives because of your work and sacrifice is something. Rich successful business owners are so ofter demonized but they do more for the economy and the society than ordinary working people ever do. More, importantly, something I did not realize until later, he is not so self-absorbed as I had accused him of being. He gets involved with his community trying to make to better. If anybody has ever been a member of the Rotary Club (as he is) knows what I mean. Also, unlike most parents, he plans for his children's future and though nothing is full proof he does as much as he can to ensure their success. Again, I am saying this about someone I have serious fundamental disagreements with.
Joswift is a one-dimensional, snarky, vapid, lazy nothing. His life and self-image just revolve around his body's appearance and the only job this lazy bum could handle was working part-time counting reps and barking "Come on!." He even admitted that he was offered a job that paid well but it required too much time, work, and responsibility. Something an adolescent studiously avoids. That would interfere with his rigid feeding schedule and would risk going catabolic if he has to go a whole five hours without food or suffer anxiety attacks if not posting on GetBig.
They're both quite vain, but personal vanity doesn't stop with Xfactor whereas it's the be all end all for joswift.
Xfactor >>>> joswift
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I want the life of Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT.
Quit your full-time job. Work part-time. Juice. Then spend the rest of your day lifting weights, posting on GetBig and looking at the mirror blowing kisses at yourself.
We'll see how long Rory will put up with that.
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Sounds relaxing! You don’t want mine it’s full of work, chasing my kids around, sprinkled with a few fun vacations.
Liar! You could do that right now. You're an achiever. A trait that's encoded in your DNA.
You'd be miserable rattling around at home looking at the clock to tell you when it's time to eat or go to the gym.
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I've had serious beefs with both of them so it's not like I'm favoring anybody by personality and past personal conflicts but there is no comparison. Xfactor by lightyears. Not only because he is successful personally but because he provides jobs for others so that they too can support themselves and their families. To me that is huge. Knowing that people are living good and fulfilling lives because of your work and sacrifice is something. Rich successful business owners are so ofter demonized but they do more for the economy and the society than ordinary working people ever do. More, importantly, something I did not realize until later, he is not so self-absorbed as I had accused him of being. He gets involved with his community trying to make to better. If anybody has ever been a member of the Rotary Club (as he is) knows what I mean. Also, unlike most parents, he plans for his children's future and though nothing is full proof he does as much as he can to ensure their success. Again, I am saying this about someone I have serious fundamental disagreements with.
Joswift is a one-dimensional, snarky, vapid, lazy nothing. His life and self-image just revolve around his body's appearance and the only job this lazy bum could handle was working part-time counting reps and barking "Come on!." He even admitted that he was offered a job that paid well but it required too much time, work, and responsibility. Something an adolescent studiously avoids. That would interfere with his rigid feeding schedule and would risk going catabolic if he has to go a whole five hours without food or suffer anxiety attacks if not posting on GetBig.
They're both quite vain, but personal vanity doesn't stop with Xfactor whereas it's the be all end all for joswift.
Xfactor >>>> joswift
XFACTOR helped me improve my resume, gave me solid job and life advice, and I am more successful than I have ever been.
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I've had serious beefs with both of them so it's not like I'm favoring anybody by personality and past personal conflicts but there is no comparison. Xfactor by lightyears. Not only because he is successful personally but because he provides jobs for others so that they too can support themselves and their families. To me that is huge. Knowing that people are living good and fulfilling lives because of your work and sacrifice is something. Rich successful business owners are so ofter demonized but they do more for the economy and the society than ordinary working people ever do. More, importantly, something I did not realize until later, he is not so self-absorbed as I had accused him of being. He gets involved with his community trying to make to better. If anybody has ever been a member of the Rotary Club (as he is) knows what I mean. Also, unlike most parents, he plans for his children's future and though nothing is full proof he does as much as he can to ensure their success. Again, I am saying this about someone I have serious fundamental disagreements with.
Joswift is a one-dimensional, snarky, vapid, lazy nothing. His life and self-image just revolve around his body's appearance and the only job this lazy bum could handle was working part-time counting reps and barking "Come on!." He even admitted that he was offered a job that paid well but it required too much time, work, and responsibility. Something an adolescent studiously avoids. That would interfere with his rigid feeding schedule and would risk going catabolic if he has to go a whole five hours without food or suffer anxiety attacks if not posting on GetBig.
They're both quite vain, but personal vanity doesn't stop with Xfactor whereas it's the be all end all for joswift.
Xfactor >>>> joswift
Are we talking about Joswift, Be there, simple Simon, or ukjeff?
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I've had serious beefs with both of them so it's not like I'm favoring anybody by personality and past personal conflicts but there is no comparison. Xfactor by lightyears. Not only because he is successful personally but because he provides jobs for others so that they too can support themselves and their families. To me that is huge. Knowing that people are living good and fulfilling lives because of your work and sacrifice is something. Rich successful business owners are so ofter demonized but they do more for the economy and the society than ordinary working people ever do. More, importantly, something I did not realize until later, he is not so self-absorbed as I had accused him of being. He gets involved with his community trying to make to better. If anybody has ever been a member of the Rotary Club (as he is) knows what I mean. Also, unlike most parents, he plans for his children's future and though nothing is full proof he does as much as he can to ensure their success. Again, I am saying this about someone I have serious fundamental disagreements with.
Joswift is a one-dimensional, snarky, vapid, lazy nothing. His life and self-image just revolve around his body's appearance and the only job this lazy bum could handle was working part-time counting reps and barking "Come on!." He even admitted that he was offered a job that paid well but it required too much time, work, and responsibility. Something an adolescent studiously avoids. That would interfere with his rigid feeding schedule and would risk going catabolic if he has to go a whole five hours without food or suffer anxiety attacks if not posting on GetBig.
They're both quite vain, but personal vanity doesn't stop with Xfactor whereas it's the be all end all for joswift.
Xfactor >>>> joswift
I’m vain for sure but I put that aside to help others. Can’t win doing my life solo! Now for the record let’s not forget I’m freezing downtown in Toronto and you’re probably sitting on your patio with an ocean breeze posting. I know who’s really winning here >:(
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XFACTOR and Pellius have put up a united front in the fight against one poster with four identities or four identities of one poster, Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT?
Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT--Possible D.I.D!!!
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Unreal! Whoever did that can burn in hell!
I'm sure a good looking (no homo) rich as fuck athlete is gonna rape a random chick when he is getting pussy thrown at him every single day!
Keep in mind this bitch wouldn't testify and all charges were dropped, YET she found it possible to get a civil case... who would have known!
Kobe was an ugly mofo
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XFACTOR helped me improve my resume, gave me solid job and life advice, and I am more successful than I have ever been.
I applied for Auto Zone after I retired looking for a part-time job. There were two things I wanted to learn more about: being a handyman and able to do home repairs and improvements myself, and fixing cars and even modifying them to improve performance. I was summarily rejected by Auto Zone. Their standards are quite high. I should have consulted X. But props to you for rising above the crowd that are clamoring to get into such a great company.
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I’m vain for sure but I put that aside to help others. Can’t win doing my life solo! Now for the record let’s not forget I’m freezing downtown in Toronto and you’re probably sitting on your patio with an ocean breeze posting. I know who’s really winning here >:(
Actually, I am on my patio ("Lanai" as we call it here) but it's a cloudy day so it's a bit nippy at 72 degrees according to the cell phone.
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Kobe was an ugly mofo
So where does that put Palumbo?
I tell you one thing about Kobe. If he just put on a white t-shirt and b-ball shorts and shoes he could still pass for a guy in his mid-twenties even though he was past 40.
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XFACTOR helped me improve my resume, gave me solid job and life advice, and I am more successful than I have ever been.
XFACTOR is a very generous man , he paid for my grandma's funeral.
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XFACTOR is a very generous man , he paid for my grandma's funeral.
He also paid for Vince Goodrums jaguar
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He also paid for Vince Goodrums jaguar
He provided in n out burger to all the kids on my sons baseball team, very generous indeed
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David Palumboism saying Kobe's life was already over, "created his exit" :D. Just like Columbo was "meant to drown".
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Because at 55 years old he's still living the lazy, fratboy, bbing lifestyle. Working just enough as a personal trainer to get by (30,000 grand a year by his account) and spend the rest of his time training, posting on GetBig, and resting and recovering to get "huge".
Jeez,, how wrong can someone be
I work as a safety trainer/briefer in heavy industry, I work Monday to Friday with weekends off, I would never be a personal trainer , I have no patience for that.
I have worked in the same industry for 30 years, sure I turned down working 60/70 hours a week to do a job that required me to do 35 hours a week, thats because I value my time outside work.
I could have been earing 70/80k now but I would have spent twice the amount of time in work, you only get one life , so its best to do what you want with it rather than spend it at work..
As for living the bodybuilding lifestyle, I pretty much eat what I like, I go training when I can be bothered, its a hobby for me.
And as for my onscreen persona, if you met me without knowing you would never guess that arse on here was me.. ;D
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XFACTOR and Pellius have put up a united front in the fight against one poster with four identities or four identities of one poster, Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT?
Be There/UKJEFF/Simple Simon/JOSWIFT--Possible D.I.D!!!
Not to worry, I have Shizzo , Joon and Anabolichalos number,. time to rally the troops..
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Jeez,, how wrong can someone be
I work as a safety trainer/briefer in heavy industry, I work Monday to Friday with weekends off, I would never be a personal trainer , I have no patience for that.
I have worked in the same industry for 30 years, sure I turned down working 60/70 hours a week to do a job that required me to do 35 hours a week, thats because I value my time outside work.
I could have been earing 70/80k now but I would have spent twice the amount of time in work, you only get one life , so its best to do what you want with it rather than spend it at work..
As for living the bodybuilding lifestyle, I pretty much eat what I like, I go training when I can be bothered, its a hobby for me.
And as for my onscreen persona, if you met me without knowing you would never guess that arse on here was me.. ;D
Brutal meltdown of trying to justify your life to strangers on an Internet forum.
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Brutal meltdown of trying to justify your life to strangers on an Internet forum.
Brutally obvious post that almost everyone expected, after all, getbig is nothing if not predictable ;D
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Brutally obvious post that almost everyone expected, after all, getbig is nothing if not predictable ;D
Brutal display of brutal brutality...'n' sheit. ;D
Have fun with it, lads!
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Joswift is not a sheep
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
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Everyone I know think I'm an asshole,at work , my wife ,my kid ...........I blame it on GETBIG
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
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I'd be sad if something had happened to OMR, but regarding Kolby Bryant, i couldn't care less.
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate men in thongs, with striated glutes.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
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Jeez,, how wrong can someone be
I work as a safety trainer/briefer in heavy industry, I work Monday to Friday with weekends off, I would never be a personal trainer , I have no patience for that.
I have worked in the same industry for 30 years, sure I turned down working 60/70 hours a week to do a job that required me to do 35 hours a week, thats because I value my time outside work.
I could have been earing 70/80k now but I would have spent twice the amount of time in work, you only get one life , so its best to do what you want with it rather than spend it at work..
As for living the bodybuilding lifestyle, I pretty much eat what I like, I go training when I can be bothered, its a hobby for me.
And as for my onscreen persona, if you met me without knowing you would never guess that arse on here was me.. ;D
I made these comments because I am sure you said that you were a personal trainer, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I believe you on this one. I retract my comments regarding this issue.
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
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Are you sexual?
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Are you sexual?
Very much so, but only in the privacy of my bedroom.
Very conservative in many respects.
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Very much so, but only in the privacy of my bedroom.
Very conservative in many respects.
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This is as it should be, elsewise that which is called "private" is anything but. Your life is reflective of my limited experience with the good people of Israel. You are a good man, sir.
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This is as it should be, elsewise that which is called "private" is anything but. Your life is reflective of my limited experience with the good people of Israel. You are a good man, sir.
Thank you sir.
Israeli people, outside of any politics and religious affiliation, are good people. We love different cultures, are open to try new things and are fond of societal growth by way of academic advancements.
I stay conservative in many of my practices. I respect everyone and try to be fair in my ways.
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Flea exhibiting cuck behavior. :-X
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPqIfqgUwAEpcHj.jpg)
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Guys,
Just have fun with it. We're all just a bunch of people shooting the shit, that just so happen to have an appreciation of bodybuilding in varying extents. Sooner or later we dive into other, non-bodybuilding related topics, and we realize that we are all very different. What we do seem to have in common is an appreciation for humor and debate.
With that, just roll with it guys. Ultimately, these are just words on a screen. Don't take any of this shit to heart. There are enough real-world assholes that we all deal with on a weekly basis. Typically, we don't go full "Getbig" on them, because that can lead to all sorts of problems. Let's all realize that this place is one of the few places in our daily existence that we can congregate at and be our most ruthless and uninhibited selves. In other words, it's incredibly therapeutic, hence why we keep coming back.
Enjoy it gentlemen!
"1"
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/l0MYF66nKUnhmCBYk/giphy.gif)
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Flea exhibiting cuck behavior. :-X
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPqIfqgUwAEpcHj.jpg)
Looks like an old buffoon here
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Because at 55 years old he's still living the lazy, fratboy, bbing lifestyle. Working just enough as a personal trainer to get by (30,000 grand a year by his account) and spend the rest of his time training, posting on GetBig, and resting and recovering to get "huge".
Who cares what somebody makes.There are guys living in the Philippines on 12k a year that are happier than anyone on this forum.Stuff won't make you happier, and that's largely all money will get you once the basics are taken care of.Anyone judging someone on material wealth really needs to take a long hard look in the mirror on why they are doing that.
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Who cares what somebody makes.There are guys living in the Philippines on 12k a year that are happier than anyone on this forum.Stuff won't make you happier, and that's largely all money will get you once the basics are taken care of.Anyone judging someone on material wealth really needs to take a long hard look in the mirror on why they are doing that.
Education is more important combined with travel and experience. The majority of my good friends took similar paths and are affluent. Now some became professors and only make $150k but still are super smart and good people to be around in general. When it comes to lifestyle it’s hard to be friends with a janitor and integrate them at a dinner party or for them to join on a ski trip to vail or aspen like
My friends and I do.
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Education is more important combined with travel and experience. The majority of my good friends took similar paths and are affluent. Now some became professors and only make $150k but still are super smart and good people to be around in general. When it comes to lifestyle it’s hard to be friends with a janitor and integrate them at a dinner party or for them to join on a ski trip to vail or aspen like
My friends and I do.
And you wouldn't fit in with the janitor and his janitor buddies, or a group of all black friends, or a group of female nurses etc.Doesnt mean you or them is anymore or less happy.as great as Vail and aspen are, especially Vails backbowls and Aspen mountain, like anything they get old after a while and pale to the more important areas of life.
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And you wouldn't fit in with the janitor and his janitor buddies, or a group of all black friends, or a group of female nurses etc.Doesnt mean you or them is anymore or less happy.as great as Vail and aspen are, especially Vails backbowls and Aspen mountain, like anything they get old after a while and pale to the more important areas of life.
Aspen and Vail never get old if you enjoy the sport and family time there. Always spectacular for us! Those back bowls are legendary man!!
Take "black friends" out of your statement I have many black friends, I am a big brother to a black child that we have integrated into our family. I'm not racist like most are here.
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Aspen and Vail never get old if you enjoy the sport and family time there. Always spectacular for us! Those back bowls are legendary man!!
Take "black friends" out of your statement I have many black friends, I am a big brother to a black child that we have integrated into our family. I'm not racist like most are here.
you might not be racist, but they could likely be.People like to hang with what they know.Races tend to stick together, economic class like you and your friends, working friends, similar hobbies etc.
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Lol at XFactor friends only making 150k a year. ;D ;D ;D
Gotta love getbig!
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Lol at XFactor friends only making 150k a year. ;D ;D ;D
Gotta love getbig!
I firmly believe this chasing numbers in life attitude and working all the hours under the sun for shit you dont need is a massive killer/ ruiner of mental health in todays society.What people really want is freedom.
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I firmly believe this chasing numbers in life attitude and working all the hours under the sun for shit you dont need is a massive killer/ ruiner of mental health in todays society.What people really want is freedom.
$$ buys freedom.
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Lol at XFactor friends only making 150k a year. ;D ;D ;D
Gotta love getbig!
Most of my friends make a lot more than this. I don't think some of you realize how expensive Toronto is. Go look at real estate prices downtown. I live on 1 Market st next to the St. Lawrence market in a 3 plus den.
Daycare is $2,600 a month for 1 kid. Let that sink in.
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$$ buys freedom.
in theory it should, but people get caught in raising their living expenses with their increased wages, or stuck with greed for more.Very few people are happy living below their means so they can retire early, usually pressure from the wife or keeping up with the joneses means they spend more money on bigger homes they dont need, to buy more expensive cars they dont need, or fill their homes they are never in with crap they wont touch after the first week."stuff" will never make you happy.
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Money does equate to happiness to a certain point.
The research is quite clear that there is a leveling and/or cut off point to income and happiness.
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Most of my friends make a lot more than this. I don't think some of you realize how expensive Toronto is. Go look at real estate prices downtown. I live on 1 Market st next to the St. Lawrence market in a 3 plus den.
Daycare is $2,600 a month for 1 kid. Let that sink in.
Seems like you surround yourself with the “high rollers,” big dawg!!
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Money does equate to happiness to a certain point.
The research is quite clear that there is a leveling and/or cut off point to income and happiness.
I think the figure is around 70k in pounds 90k in eu.Usually thats for a family of 4-5 though with all the trimmings.And that happiness is probably having less struggle to feed kids, keep a western wife happy etc etc.Things that could have been avoided in the first place.
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Seems like you surround yourself with the “high rollers,” big dawg!!
I wish I could tell you I was a "high roller" with no cares about money buddy. Like I said, look at real estate prices here. Coupled with day care for my 17 month old $2,600 and Montessori for my daughter at $2,000 that's $4,600 a month in schooling. Lot of work!
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I wish I could tell you I was a "high roller" with no cares about money buddy. Like I said, look at real estate prices here. Coupled with day care for my 17 month old $2,600 and Montessori for my daughter at $2,000 that's $4,600 a month in schooling. Lot of work!
You’ve made quite the life for yourself! I wish I was you.
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You’ve made quite the life for yourself! I wish I was you.
You do not wish that and don't say that. You probably have a lot less responsibility and can make decisions based on your liking. I have to think about three others (wife and two kids) before I make a decision.
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You’ve made quite the life for yourself! I wish I was you.
You have Rory to help you out so that’s not too bad
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I wish I could tell you I was a "high roller" with no cares about money buddy. Like I said, look at real estate prices here. Coupled with day care for my 17 month old $2,600 and Montessori for my daughter at $2,000 that's $4,600 a month in schooling. Lot of work!
Yawn.
$2,600 a month is a parking spot in Manhattan.
But, you never fail to amuse with your bullshit.
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You’ve made quite the life for yourself! I wish I was you.
No you don't. You have no idea regarding the level of hardship that XFactor has possibly dealt with in his life. He might be very comfortable in his present circumstance, but don't assume that you can't achieve the same or even better.
You're a very smart young man. I can tell. You're not nearly as smart as Vince Goodrum, but then again I struggled to meet any PhD'ers that were smarter than Goodrum during my times in both NYU and Columbia University.
Believe in yourself SF1900, become the man you were meant to be.
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Yawn.
$2,600 a month is a parking spot in Manhattan.
But, you never fail to amuse with your bullshit.
Hey having $4,600/Mo in schooling for my kids is high. Maybe to you it’s nothing.
On another note I have an office in SOHO (via acquisition made last year) address is posted here (along with my home address for the stalkers). The parking is absolutely nowhere near $2,600/Mo. You’re grasping on that one.
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Hey having $4,600/Mo in schooling for my kids is high. Maybe to you it’s nothing.
On another note I have an office in SOHO (via acquisition made last year) address is posted here (along with my home address for the stalkers). The parking is absolutely nowhere near $2,600/Mo. You’re grasping on that one.
serious question, why spend so much on schooling?IQ is pretty much fixed in your genetic code, and amazing daycare, elementary or middle school isnt going to do shit for a kids intelligence.Put them through a good high school so they get in a good college so it looks good on a cv by all means, but I wouldn't waste money so young.Just my 2 cents.
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serious question, why spend so much on schooling?IQ is pretty much fixed in your genetic code, and amazing daycare, elementary or middle school isnt going to do shit for a kids intelligence.Put them through a good high school so they get in a good college so it looks good on a cv by all means, but I wouldn't waste money so young.Just my 2 cents.
An example
My infant son communicates to us in sign language and my daughter is learning 3 languages (English, Chinese, and Spanish). They are excelling at all and I can confidently attribute this to excellent schooling.
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Hey having $4,600/Mo in schooling for my kids is high. Maybe to you it’s nothing.
On another note I have an office in SOHO (via acquisition made last year) address is posted here (along with my home address for the stalkers). The parking is absolutely nowhere near $2,600/Mo. You’re grasping on that one.
You need thicker skin.
If you’re spending money on your children’s education, then you’re making an excellent investment in their future.
You’re still full of shit and brag about material crap you don’t have and we all know it.
If you truly had half the things you brag about, we would never know. Wealthy people don’t go around trying to convince people they’re wealthy
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You need thicker skin.
If you’re spending money on your children’s education, then you’re making an excellent investment in their future.
You’re still full of shit and brag about material crap you don’t have and we all know it.
If you truly had half the things you brag about, we would never know. Wealthy people don’t go around trying to convince people they’re wealthy
You’re very jealous and I can appreciate that I see it from time to time. I do appreciate that you follow me so much, as I have no clue who you are nor care. Hope you can pull your life together and make something of yourself one day.
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You’re very jealous and I can appreciate that I see it from time to time. I do appreciate that you follow me so much, as I have no clue who you are nor care. Hope you can pull your life together and make something of yourself one day.
Mmmmm-kay.
Run along Shemp, no one here believes any of your bullshit.
Another $30,000/year millionaire.
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Mmmmm-kay.
Run along Shemp, no one here believes any of your bullshit.
Another $30,000/year millionaire.
Aww Poor thing. Hope you can pull it together it’s not too late plane Jane.
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Aww Poor thing. Hope you can pull it together it’s not too late plane Jane.
I bet you have a closet full of used Ed Hardy shirts to match your leased 3-Series BMW.
I’ll pop my collar and do a jaeger bomb in honor of you maxing out your 6th credit card.
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I bet you have a closet full of used Ed Hardy shirts to match your leased 3-Series BMW.
I’ll pop my collar and do a jaeger bomb in honor of you maxing out your 6th credit card.
How about this post a pic of yourself and let's see who is bullshitting? I'll do the same and do it on three separate continents. I'll start...
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How about this post a pic of yourself and let's see who is bullshitting? I'll do the same and do it on three separate continents. I'll start...
What continent is this?
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Cheers
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What continent is this?
The continent of ugly bald men...
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The continent of ugly bald men...
Where you at? Let’s see your pics? That’s what I thought who’s all talk now.
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Where you at? Let’s see your pics? That’s what I thought who’s all talk now.
Serious question here, you care about your look, spending money and time on your physical appearance, clothes and accessories, etc...why have you not gotten a hair transplant?
Is hair not something you value for your appearance, do you shave it by choice because you prefer to?
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Serious question here, you care about your look, spending money and time on your physical appearance, clothes asm's accessories why have you not gotten a hair transplant?
Is hair not something you value for your appearance, do you shave it by choice because you prefer to?
I’m good with how I look I wouldn’t post a pic shirtless all over the place if not. Hey Dave what do you look like?
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I’m good with how I look I wouldn’t post a pic shirtless all over the place if not. Hey Dave what do you look like?
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I look alright. Ive made some money off of my look.
I wasnt attacking you it was an honest question.
I never thought Id care about thinning hair, but as it is happening it bothers me. Not enough to do anything about it but when I see it "obsess" over it.
All that said you've admitted to being "vain", and maybe thats me putting words in your mouth, I was just curious your feelings on the topic as you have posted some details about your life on here.
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I look alright. Ive made some money off of my look.
I wasnt attacking you it was an honest question.
I never thought Id care about thinning hair, but as it is happening it bothers me. Not enough to do anything about it but when I see it "obsess over it".
All that said you've admitted to being "vain", and maybe thats me putting words in your mouth, I was just curious your feelings on the topic as you have posted some details about your life on here.
At first it was an adjustment but I got use to it. I don’t think I’d feel comfortable with the transplant things.
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At first it was an adjustment but I got use to it. I don’t think I’d feel comfortable with the transplant things.
Fair enough, this was my thought for myself.
Thanks.
Keep on living your best life bro.
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What continent is this?
looks like calgary which is in north america :)
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I look alright. Ive made some money off of my look.
I wasnt attacking you it was an honest question.
I never thought Id care about thinning hair, but as it is happening it bothers me. Not enough to do anything about it but when I see it "obsess" over it.
All that said you've admitted to being "vain", and maybe thats me putting words in your mouth, I was just curious your feelings on the topic as you have posted some details about your life on here.
my buddy started to thin on top and went on finasteride, he grew his hair back
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looks like calgary which is in north america :)
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my buddy started to thin on top and went on finasteride, he grew his hair back
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This is something I've looked into, Im weird about drugs though...
Thanks Earl!
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This is something I've looked into, Im weird about drugs though...
Thanks Earl!
I was going to do it but heard there might be sex side effects not being able to get it up. That changed my mind given I was trying to have kids ;D
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I was going to do it but heard there might be sex side effects not being able to get it up. That changed my mind given I was trying to have kids ;D
the sex side effects are rare, who knows about long term health effects
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Where you at? Let’s see your pics? That’s what I thought who’s all talk now.
Trying to upload pics.
My photos are definitely JPG and I keep getting an error message saying the site won’t allow a JPEG photo?
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Trying to upload pics.
My photos are definitely JPG and I keep getting an error message saying the site won’t allow a JPEG photo?
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It sometime works and sometimes doesn't work with photos. I've had the same issues. Here is another one as we wait
Another big client of mine :-) Same continent
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It sometime works and sometimes doesn't work with photos. I've had the same issues. Here is another one as we wait
Another big client of mine :-) Same continent
Near my house in Florence.
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Let's keep things Jersey Shore'ish though.
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Near my house in Florence.
LOL!!!! Where is plane jane. who is full of bullshit now?
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Lol at XFactor friends only making 150k a year. ;D ;D ;D
Gotta love getbig!
;D ;D you are nothing to him.
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;D ;D you are nothing to him.
you are everything to me Che. Want to go camping bro just you and me.
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LOL!!!! Where is plane jane. who is full of bullshit now?
Look at the shadow at the bottom, Guido.
Next up, what I call my Pellius Neighborhood house outside of Hilo.
Then I will upload pics of my ski condo in Canmore.
Not quite a cheap all-inclusive Sandals vacation with “wife”, but you keep trying lil fella, you will get there.
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X, you've been working out? Looks like you've been working out.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
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you are everything to me Che. Want to go camping bro just you and me.
Do you mean glamping ;D
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Look at the shadow at the bottom, Guido.
Next up, what I call my Pellius Neighborhood house outside of Hilo.
Then I will upload pics of my ski condo in Canmore.
Not quite a cheap all-inclusive Sandals vacation with “wife”, but you keep trying lil fella, you will get there.
A shadow is supposed to be you?? Hahahahaha ok squadfather
I’m starting to feel bad for you here.
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X, you've been working out? Looks like you've been working out.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
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Here and there you know ;)
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Do you mean glamping ;D
Sounds like you probably know me. Damn!
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
Might I also add that in order to make this look (above) work, you have to technically wear your jeans/pants particularly low in order to have the v cuts to the waist showing. Strategically low enough in order show the lines, but not have pubic hair or skin from your shaft showing. It's a delicate process, because the crack of your ass should also not show.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
Might I also add that in order to make this look (above) work, you have to technically wear your jeans/pants particularly low in order to have the v cuts to the waist showing. Strategically low enough in order show the lines, but not have pubic hair or skin from your shaft showing. It's a delicate process.
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Good eye my friend. It’s very strategic and my shopping habits can be quite cumbersome when planning for those events. I’d love to say it’s effortless but alas I’d be lying if I did.
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A shadow is supposed to be you?? Hahahahaha ok squadfather
I’m starting to feel bad for you here.
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Good eye my friend. It’s very strategic and my shopping habits can be quite cumbersome when planning for those events. I’d love to say it’s effortless but alas I’d be lying if I did.
Oh, I know. I'm a gay man. We take more time than women getting ready.
No way implying that you're gay, but I know that making a look come together takes work. People don't appreciate these things sometimes.
By the way, for what it's worth, with the hat and shades, you look a lot like UFC fighter Colby Covington:
(http://www.bjpenn.com/wp-content/uploads/Colby-Covington-20-1200x900.png)
(http://dmxg5wxfqgb4u.cloudfront.net/styles/background_image_xl/s3/2019-08/ufc%20newark%20colby%20covington%20open%20workouts%20hero%202019.jpg?E89TDGBrsSHESq68NDDiLwSpRRWZacFZ&itok=fAzLWDwV)
(http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4FRqm94UCBmNvL0EWvoQwD6Ow0E=/0x0:1920x1280/1200x800/filters:focal(1096x62:1402x368)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64692651/040_Colby_Covington.0.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785518;image)
Beautiful, has so much character.
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Beautiful, has so much character.
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You’re not even going to comment on my massive forearm ?
I’m crushed.
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Oh, I know. I'm a gay man. We take more time than women getting ready.
No way implying that you're gay, but I know that making a look come together takes work. People don't appreciate these things sometimes.
By the way, for what it's worth, with the hat and shades, you look a lot like UFC fighter Colby Covington:
(http://www.bjpenn.com/wp-content/uploads/Colby-Covington-20-1200x900.png)
(http://dmxg5wxfqgb4u.cloudfront.net/styles/background_image_xl/s3/2019-08/ufc%20newark%20colby%20covington%20open%20workouts%20hero%202019.jpg?E89TDGBrsSHESq68NDDiLwSpRRWZacFZ&itok=fAzLWDwV)
(http://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/4FRqm94UCBmNvL0EWvoQwD6Ow0E=/0x0:1920x1280/1200x800/filters:focal(1096x62:1402x368)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64692651/040_Colby_Covington.0.jpg)
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Not just gay men. Christ it takes me twenty minutes figuring out the sunglasses and 20 for shoes. No shame in my game. I take longer than the wife.
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You’re not even going to comment on my massive forearm ?
I’m crushed.
Well, it's not that you don't have forearms, but it's more that I thought you were a girl all this time.
Nonetheless, nice home you have there.
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I bet Plane Jane doesn't have a wine cellar..
By the way are you a transgender?
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Well, it's not that you don't have forearms, but it's more that I thought you were a girl all this time.
Nonetheless, nice home you have there.
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You mean female or was that the auto correct?
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You mean female or was that the auto correct?
Female. Auto correct strikes again.
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Well, it's not that you don't have forearms, but it's more that I thought you were a girl all this time.
Nonetheless, nice home you have there.
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I am 100% female.
Which is 50% more than half the guys on here.
🤣
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By the way are you a transgender?
I was just going to ask you the same thing about your “wife”.
Poor thing.
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I am 100% female.
Which is 50% more than half the guys on here.
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So that arm is from a female?? Gross. Ok I think we are done here. I can’t rip on you for being trans that’s not cool. You seem ok Jane. Thanks for playing.
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So that arm is from a female?? Gross. Ok I think we are done here. I can’t rip on you for being trans that’s not cool. You seem ok Jane. Thanks for playing.
You’re right.
I shouldn’t have joked about your wife.
You two seem happy, you spend your money on your kids, it’s all good.
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No you don't. You have no idea regarding the level of hardship that XFactor has possibly dealt with in his life. He might be very comfortable in his present circumstance, but don't assume that you can't achieve the same or even better.
You're a very smart young man. I can tell. You're not nearly as smart as Vince Goodrum, but then again I struggled to meet any PhD'ers that were smarter than Goodrum during my times in both NYU and Columbia University.
Believe in yourself SF1900, become the man you were meant to be.
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Thank you for the kind words, OMR. :) :) :D :D
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;D ;D you are nothing to him.
I am the gum on XFactor's shoe.
Dude probably wouldn't even have dinner with me. But, I know you would Che.
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Shit just got real.
XFACTOR posting a photo of him wearing an $18,000 suit with $8,000 shoes.
Can any getbigger match this?!??!?!
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Let's keep things Jersey Shore'ish though.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
Lookin' good Colby!
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I am 100% female.
Which is 50% more than half the guys on here.
🤣
With forearms / hands like that? :D
Lower the dose Jane!
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Lookin' good Colby!
Lol Does he at least win fights?
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Lol Does he at least win fights?
He's a good fighter! A Cardio-machine!
XFactor Covington VS Tres Onions
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Shit just got real.
XFACTOR posting a photo of him wearing an $18,000 suit with $8,000 shoes.
Can any getbigger match this?!??!?!
I just bought 5 t-shirts from Amazon for $20.
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I just bought 5 t-shirts from Amazon for $20.
XFACTOR would not even spit on the same ground that you walked on.
His spit is worth at least $5,000.
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XFACTOR would not even spit on the same ground that you walked on.
His spit is worth at least $5,000.
Haha exactly , XFACTOR is so rich he takes a golden shower every morning.
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Haha exactly , XFACTOR is so rich he takes a golden shower every morning.
Roflmao. I can’t even fight back that was such a good one. Oh man
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Haha exactly , XFACTOR is so rich he takes a golden shower every morning.
Che, what would be the first think you would say to XFACTOR if you met him?
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$$ buys freedom.
This.
WW is free.
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Che, what would be the first think you would say to XFACTOR if you met him?
Why does Xfactor smell like piss?
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Che, what would be the first think you would say to XFACTOR if you met him?
"You're paying."
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In my experiences in life people who brag about how much money they have usually don’t have any coach dwarf and X factor are two examples on our own forum
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On that note an elite 170 lb mma fighter would kill most people in a fight
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In my experiences in life people who brag about how much money they have usually don’t have any coach dwarf and X factor are two examples on our own forum
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I ain’t bragging I’m complaining about the cost of educating my children well. But since you’re here how about back up your presence by showing a photo of yourself. Why will nobody just do that one thing? I’ve backed up everything I say. If we are going to post here all the time let’s at least see what’s on the other side of the key board.
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On that note an elite 170 lb mma fighter would kill most people in a fight
Jesus dude nobody is saying otherwise. I think it’s time for you to go. Bodybuilding.com might workout better for you “oldschool fan”
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Jesus dude nobody is saying otherwise. I think it’s time for you to go. Bodybuilding.com might workout better for you “oldschool fan”
Maybe you should they may even believe your fairy tale stories you make up about yourself
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Che, what would be the first think you would say to XFACTOR if you met him?
Are you kidding me ,I would stand speechless in his presence.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a65ad0b1d1b2f8929414acd700e38b44/tenor.gif?itemid=4824878)
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Che, what would be the first think you would say to XFACTOR if you met him?
Ask him if he's sexual.
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Are you kidding me ,I would stand speechless in his presence.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a65ad0b1d1b2f8929414acd700e38b44/tenor.gif?itemid=4824878)
That looks like Weezus of Nastinuf, the Methsiah of Libs.
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On that note an elite 170 lb mma fighter would kill most people in a fight
Pretty much but there are born brawlers who would tear a 170pounder to pieces.
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Pretty much but there are born brawlers who would tear a 170pounder to pieces.
Umm nobody has stated otherwise
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XFactor always have a special place in my heart.
To me, he is a born brawler.
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XFactor always have a special place in my heart.
To me, he is a born brawler.
wonder how he would do against the brooklyn brawler
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wonder how he would do against the brooklyn brawler
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/9b011db65d8151f79145464947acb8ec/tumblr_p54k5go2gW1srlpa6o4_1280.jpg)
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wonder how he would do against the brooklyn brawler
Probably not well unless we were performing side tri's
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Mom’s letting me stay in the basement till I get back on my feet.
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/7bd55930843f4785966f722c8047434c/tumblr_q56l918nqs1ytsttzo1_640.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=660970.0;attach=785515;image)
Might I also add that in order to make this look (above) work, you have to technically wear your jeans/pants particularly low in order to have the v cuts to the waist showing. Strategically low enough in order show the lines, but not have pubic hair or skin from your shaft showing. It's a delicate process, because the crack of your ass should also not show.
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He's definitely got that pants thing down. Men are going way too much on lowering the pants though. Don't mind the obliques showing like X is doing here but hate the dick-root look.
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He's definitely got that pants thing down. Men are going way too much on lowering the pants though. Don't mind the obliques showing like X is doing here but hate the dick-root look.
Can’t win em’ all guys but I come close :P
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He's definitely got that pants thing down. Men are going way too much on lowering the pants though. Don't mind the obliques showing like X is doing here but hate the dick-root look.
Worst than some rappers with the crack of his a$$ showing!
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There used to be a getbigger by the name Scorpio, he was the light skin black version of Xfactor ;D
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Can’t win em’ all guys but I come close :P
No, you got it just right here. No dick root action going on. Perfect physique for the most public appeal.
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He's definitely got that pants thing down. Men are going way too much on lowering the pants though. Don't mind the obliques showing like X is doing here but hate the dick-root look.
Xfactor got the oblique-show on point!
Perfect height on dem dat dere jeans!
Props!
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No, you got it just right here. No dick root action going on. Perfect physique for the most public appeal.
Pussypulling physique down pat.
Not huge steroidy that scares away the wimmens, and not too skinny but with respectable mass.
I am sure he gets the question "How much do ya bench?" asked regularly on those parties / raves / concerts
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Pussypulling physique down pat.
Not huge steroidy that scares away the wimmens, and not too skinny but with respectable mass.
I am sure he gets the question "How much do ya bench?" asked regularly on those parties / raves / concerts
Don't forget the "Can I blow you?" from the PrimeMuscle types.
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Don't forget the "Can I blow you?" from the PrimeMuscle types.
Prime walking up silently behind Xfactor and whispers in his ear : "But are you sexual?"
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Prime walking up silently behind Xfactor and whispers in his ear : "But are you sexual?"
LMAO!
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Prime walking up silently behind Xfactor and whispers in his ear : "But are you sexual?"
Kwon/Pellius these are unsolicited visuals that I now must take with me to meetings today. When people ask why I keep looking over my shoulder in a paranoid way I’ll show them Prime’s glorious photo.
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Kwon/Pellius these are unsolicited visuals that I now must take with me to meetings today. When people ask why I keep looking over my shoulder in a paranoid way I’ll show them Prime’s glorious photo.
The Perpetual VISUALS of Peace, so to speak :D
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Snoop Dogg wonders why Ogre Winfrey's pal Gayle King attacked KB but was silent on Weinstein.
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https://youtu.be/9ofStn2KScg?t=131 (https://youtu.be/9ofStn2KScg?t=131)
3 banks to the left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FMK9ubC3Q&list=FLPyjbrWSPuvXAPTvV6zB_uQ&index=14&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2FMK9ubC3Q&list=FLPyjbrWSPuvXAPTvV6zB_uQ&index=14&t=0s)
:14 in the trees to the right and banks to the left
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M2YVuKgwBM&list=FLPyjbrWSPuvXAPTvV6zB_uQ&index=17 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M2YVuKgwBM&list=FLPyjbrWSPuvXAPTvV6zB_uQ&index=17)
good job