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It's called a pre-emptive strike — but what if Iran decides to act first? Every nation has the right to defend its survival.
https://www.rt.com/news/619057-israel-strikes-iran-reports/
Explosions and missile interceptions reported in Tehran on Friday
Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz announced on Friday that the Israeli Air Force has conducted a “preemptive” strike in Iran.
Iranian media reported explosions in Tehran, as well as missile interceptions.
An emergency situation has been declared across Israel. “Following the State of Israel’s preemptive strike against Iran, a missile and drone attack against the State of Israel and its civilian population is expected in the immediate future,” Katz said.
The attack comes after weeks of simmering tensions following the collapse of renewed negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program. Multiple news outlets reported last month that Israel had discussed potential strikes on Iranian nuclear sites with the United States.
US President Donald Trump recently accused Tehran of “slow-walking” the negotiations and reiterated that his objective is the complete dismantlement of Iran’s nuclear program. Iran has denied pursuing nuclear weapons, maintaining that its nuclear activities are solely for civilian purposes.
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Hopefully we can stay out of it.
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The US and Israel say Iran mustn’t get nukes — and threaten to destroy them to prove the point. But if you’re being threatened with annihilation, wouldn’t you want nukes too? The hypocrisy is nuclear.
Iran can’t have nukes — so we might have to bomb them.’ That logic is why Iran wants nukes. The bully says: disarm or else — and calls you the threat.
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Hopefully we can stay out of it.
Nothing says ‘you don’t need nukes’ like constant threats of war. But sure, Iran’s the irrational one.
We threaten to bomb Iran to stop them from wanting nukes — and then act shocked when they want nukes. Genius diplomacy.
Iran doesn’t need nukes, they just need to trust the countries openly talking about bombing them. Totally reasonable.
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The US and Israel say Iran mustn’t get nukes — and threaten to destroy them to prove the point. But if you’re being threatened with annihilation, wouldn’t you want nukes too? The hypocrisy is nuclear.
Iran can’t have nukes — so we might have to bomb them.’ That logic is why Iran wants nukes. The bully says: disarm or else — and calls you the threat.
Neo-Con Logic.
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Nothing says ‘you don’t need nukes’ like constant threats of war. But sure, Iran’s the irrational one.
We threaten to bomb Iran to stop them from wanting nukes — and then act shocked when they want nukes. Genius diplomacy.
Iran doesn’t need nukes, they just need to trust the countries openly talking about bombing them. Totally reasonable.
All countries should want nukes. They're a great deterrent. All countries who already have them should try to prevent others from obtaining them to keep their advantage. I think it is both logical and hypocritical, but I'm a cynic. ;D
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Hopefully Hadi’s new gym is still intact.
In all seriousness Trump needs to stay TF away from this one.
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Hopefully Hadi’s new gym is still intact.
In all seriousness Trump needs to stay TF away from this one.
Trump has been a disappointment. Everyday he appears more like a puppet. I'd like to be proven wrong. But he needs to lead with his actions.
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In all seriousness Trump needs to stay TF away from this one.
How can he? The US and Israel are intertwined, hard to tell them apart. There is no unilateral in this imo.
This could be a total nightmare for the world. Iran retaliates and nukes are dropped and then... what are Russia and China going to do?
IMO this has little or nothing to do with Iran having nukes. This could be controlled and Iran was/is ready for strict inspections. This is about Israel wanting to be the ME hegemon.
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Nothing says ‘you don’t need nukes’ like constant threats of war. But sure, Iran’s the irrational one.
We threaten to bomb Iran to stop them from wanting nukes — and then act shocked when they want nukes. Genius diplomacy.
Iran doesn’t need nukes, they just need to trust the countries openly talking about bombing them. Totally reasonable.
When we fail diplomatically to stop them producing nukes, you use force to stop it.
Stop sponsoring terrorism, stop working towards getting a nuke, and you don't get bombed.
Iran used to be a friggin' tourist destination. The mullahs have destroyed it.
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When we fail diplomatically to stop them producing nukes, you use force to stop it.
Stop sponsoring terrorism, stop working towards getting a nuke, and you don't get bombed.
Iran used to be a friggin' tourist destination. The mullahs have destroyed it.
Just like when Gaddafi stopped his program... ended with him getting a bayonet up his ass. So much for doing it the diplomatic way. And Hillary laughed... that bitch.
Iran was the last on the 7 countries list that Wesley Clark talked about. Netanyahu's plan.
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Don't care. No nukes for Iran.
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Stunned here watching what is going on...
Axis of Resistance, loose and informal military network of militant groups, which bill themselves as resistance forces, and state-controlled armed forces in the Middle East that are supported by Iran and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). In addition to the IRGC, the axis comprised of Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, certain militias in Iraq, and Houthi forces in Yemen.
Israel, US, many Arab countries that are Sunni, India, the EU and many other countries needed these guys to be done with so a new age can come to the Middle East. Maybe one of peace in the future.
Syria - done
Hezbollah in Lebanon - done
Hamas in Gaza - almost done
Hoothis in Yemen - almost done
and last ... Iran... the supplier of all of these...
Iran was the last on the 7 countries list that Wesley Clark talked about.
In a statement attributed to Wikipedia, General Wesley Clark mentioned a plan to target seven countries, beginning with Iraq and including Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. This plan was part of a longer, five-year campaign, according to Clark.
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Israel, US, many Arab countries that are Sunni, India, the EU and many other countries needed these guys to be done with so a new age can come to the Middle East. Maybe one of peace in the future.
Yes we know Israel and the US love the Sunni because they are so peaceful. Except these are all the ones who attacked the US, the ISIS (which Israel backs even now in Gaza), and all these radical islamist groups. Al-Sharaa, a Sunni, killed Americans in Iraq but now Trump is praising him, calling him handsome. The US and Israel funded all these terrorist groups in Syria to overthrow Assad... because the Sunni are so peaceful :D
It has nothing to do with peace, they want maximum war and terror in the Islamic countries. Trump said he wanted to see Iran thrive and prosper... what a load of crap. The goal is simply to cause chaos, to make them weak.
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Yes we know Israel and the US love the Sunni because they are so peaceful. Except these are all the ones who attacked the US, the ISIS (which Israel backs even now in Gaza), and all these radical islamist groups. Al-Sharaa, a Sunni, killed Americans in Iraq but now Trump is praising him, calling him handsome. The US and Israel funded all these terrorist groups in Syria to overthrow Assad... because the Sunni are so peaceful :D It has nothing to do with peace, they want maximum war and terror in the Islamic countries. Trump said he wanted to see Iran thrive and prosper... what a load of crap. The goal is simply to cause chaos, to make them weak.
Al-Sharaa, a Sunni - might have turned to trying to do something for Syria instead of destroying it when he overthrew Assad. Maybe he realized there is a better way than Jihad and Matrydom. For the people of Syria, to grow. People can change. If Hamas agreed to release the hostages, stop calling for the destruction of Israel, and wanted something better, than maybe things can change. Even now, they are fighting and killing other clan factions in Gaza.
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The US and Israel say Iran mustn’t get nukes — and threaten to destroy them to prove the point. But if you’re being threatened with annihilation, wouldn’t you want nukes too? The hypocrisy is nuclear.
Iran can’t have nukes — so we might have to bomb them.’ That logic is why Iran wants nukes. The bully says: disarm or else — and calls you the threat.
Your "logic" is flawed. There is no existential threat to Iran. To Israel there is. Iran has stated many times it wants to destroy the entire state of Israel, they make no secret of it. So Israel has every right to prevent that from happening
Also: if Iran develops nukes and several get into the hands of terrorist organizations, Western countries also are at immense risk. Not only Israel. Israel is doing the dirty work for us. As usual the radical left pro islamisation EU will accuse Israel of everything, without the EU ever wanting to spend on defense. The EU prefers the American taxpayer to pay for Europe's safety
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Your "logic" is flawed. There is no existential threat to Iran. To Israel there is. Iran has stated many times it wants to destroy the entire state of Israel, they make no secret of it. So Israel has every right to prevent that from happening
Also: if Iran develops nukes and several get into the hands of terrorist organizations, Western countries also are at immense risk. Not only Israel. Israel is doing the dirty work for us. As usual the radical left pro islamisation EU will accuse Israel of everything, without the EU ever wanting to spend on defense. The EU prefers the American taxpayer to pay for Europe's safety
The idea that Iran poses “no existential threat” ignores the reality that they’ve been under constant threat of regime change or attack for decades — from nuclear-armed powers, no less. That is an existential threat.
Yes, Iran has made hostile statements — but so has Israel, and the U.S. has actually overthrown governments in the region. If preemptive threats justify nukes, then Iran has just as much logic for wanting them as Israel does for stopping them. That’s the hypocrisy.
And the “terrorist handoff” argument? It’s speculative. The only country in the Middle East with undeclared nukes and a history of military preemption is Israel. Yet we never question their nukes.
If nuclear non-proliferation is the goal, threatening countries with annihilation isn’t how you get there — it’s how you make sure they want the bomb even more.
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Don't care. No nukes for Iran.
We say Iran can’t have nukes while pointing nukes at them. Irony’s gone nuclear.
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Stunned here watching what is going on...
Axis of Resistance, loose and informal military network of militant groups, which bill themselves as resistance forces, and state-controlled armed forces in the Middle East that are supported by Iran and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). In addition to the IRGC, the axis comprised of Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, certain militias in Iraq, and Houthi forces in Yemen.
Israel, US, many Arab countries that are Sunni, India, the EU and many other countries needed these guys to be done with so a new age can come to the Middle East. Maybe one of peace in the future.
Syria - done
Hezbollah in Lebanon - done
Hamas in Gaza - almost done
Hoothis in Yemen - almost done
and last ... Iran... the supplier of all of these...
In a statement attributed to Wikipedia, General Wesley Clark mentioned a plan to target seven countries, beginning with Iraq and including Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. This plan was part of a longer, five-year campaign, according to Clark.
Funny how “peace” always seems to require one side’s total destruction.
You can’t bomb your way to a stable Middle East. Dismantling every actor Iran supports doesn’t end the conflict — it just removes any balance of power. What comes next? Unchecked domination? Occupation? More resentment? More blowback?
Also worth noting: every time someone says “we’re almost done” with a group, it usually means a new one is about to rise from the rubble. The region’s not a video game — you don’t beat the “final boss” and roll credits.
If peace is the goal, maybe stop trying to achieve it through annihilation.
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Just like when Gaddafi stopped his program... ended with him getting a bayonet up his ass. So much for doing it the diplomatic way. And Hillary laughed... that bitch.
Iran was the last on the 7 countries list that Wesley Clark talked about. Netanyahu's plan.
A man was sodomized with a blade and executed on camera. She laughed about it. If that were my blood, I wouldn’t forgive. I wouldn’t forget. And I sure as hell wouldn’t move on.
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The idea that Iran poses “no existential threat” ignores the reality that they’ve been under constant threat of regime change or attack for decades — from nuclear-armed powers, no less. That is an existential threat.
Yes, Iran has made hostile statements — but so has Israel, and the U.S. has actually overthrown governments in the region. If preemptive threats justify nukes, then Iran has just as much logic for wanting them as Israel does for stopping them. That’s the hypocrisy.
And the “terrorist handoff” argument? It’s speculative. The only country in the Middle East with undeclared nukes and a history of military preemption is Israel. Yet we never question their nukes.
If nuclear non-proliferation is the goal, threatening countries with annihilation isn’t how you get there — it’s how you make sure they want the bomb even more.
Israel has had a nuclear weapon since 1966. Israel has never stated they want to destroy the country of Iran. They just don't want the crazy ayatollahs to support hezbollah, hamas, houthis etc
And more importantly they don't want nuclear weapons on the hands of religious fundamentalist muslims. Israel is a small country, it only takes one nuke to vaporise it.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
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Israel has had a nuclear weapon since 1966. Israel has never stated they want to destroy the country of Iran. They just don't want the crazy ayatollahs to support hezbollah, hamas, houthis etc
And more importantly they don't want nuclear weapons on the hands of religious fundamentalist muslims. Israel is a small country, it only takes one nuke to vaporise it.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
Israel doesn’t have to say it wants to destroy Iran — it’s backed covert operations, assassinations, and cyberattacks against Iranian scientists and infrastructure. That’s not peacekeeping — that’s warfare.
And yes, Israel is small — but so are plenty of countries that don’t get to stockpile nukes without scrutiny. The concern over “religious fundamentalists” having nukes ignores the fact that Israel is a nuclear-armed religious state too. The double standard isn’t about religion — it’s about power.
As for 9/11 — it was horrific, but not committed by Iran. Bringing it up to justify preventing Iran from nuclear self-defense is a distraction. You don’t stop proliferation by threatening countries — you cause it. Iran didn’t build a bomb after the nuclear deal; it accelerated efforts after it was torn up.
Fear of the worst-case scenario can’t replace policy based on fairness — or we’ll keep repeating the same cycle of threats, escalation, and war.
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If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
The U.S. is the only nation to ever drop nuclear bombs — not in theory, not in fear, but in action. On Japan. Twice. Remember that when talking about who “can’t be trusted” with nukes.
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All countries should want nukes. They're a great deterrent. All countries who already have them should try to prevent others from obtaining them to keep their advantage. I think it is both logical and hypocritical, but I'm a cynic. ;D
Agreed. There would be no Ukraine vs Russia war if Ukraine had kept their nukes. Nuclear warheads are the biggest peacemakers the world has ever known.
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obsidian, the Russia Today mouthpiece conveniently sidesteps the fact that the destruction of Israel is enshrined Iranian policy.
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Iran should never be allowed to have nukes - end of.
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Even now, they are fighting and killing other clan factions in Gaza.
You do realize Israel is right now arming ISIS-related factions in Gaza?! If Hamas became peaceful Israel would still not agree to a two state solution, because they simply do not want Palestnians there. As you know at one point early on Israel actually built up Hamas. Israel know the terrorists now in power in Syria hate Jews but they still built up these groups with the US for years because it fit the agenda. Now these groups are slaughtering and torturing and raping alawites, kurds and other groups in Syria. Does Israel care? No, this was exactly the plan, plunge the country into chaos so they remain weak.
Israel is arming local militias in Gaza in an effort to counter Hamas in the besieged enclave, officials say, as opposition politicians warned that the move endangers national security.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended the covert enterprise on Thursday, calling it “a good thing.” In a video posted on social media, Netanyahu said Israel had “activated clans in Gaza which oppose Hamas,” and that it was done “under the advice of security elements.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/06/middleeast/israel-arming-hamas-rivals-gaza-intl
What the new leaders do in Syria
https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/asequals/syria-army-commander-women-abuse-as-equals-intl-invs/
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All countries should want nukes. They're a great deterrent. All countries who already have them should try to prevent others from obtaining them to keep their advantage. I think it is both logical and hypocritical, but I'm a cynic. ;D
Agreed. In this case, two things can be true.
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Israel has had a nuclear weapon since 1966. Israel has never stated they want to destroy the country of Iran. They just don't want the crazy ayatollahs to support hezbollah, hamas, houthis etc
And more importantly they don't want nuclear weapons on the hands of religious fundamentalist muslims. Israel is a small country, it only takes one nuke to vaporise it.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
Everyone assumes if Iran had the bomb they would use it. But that would be suicide obviously. Would they commit suicide just to destroy Israel? I don't think Iran "wants" the bomb, at least not to use it. The mullahs have said these weapons are evil, and I doubt their faith includes a plan to destroy the whole world, which is real risk if someone drops the first one.
Most Jews in Israel are atheist as far as I know and they have the Samson-option; they say if their existence is threatened they will take out the whole world with them.
Now Trump says they will face more brutal bombing if they don't "negotiate." JFC! Trump the peace maker.
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We, as Americans are hypocritical at times. At this point, we are basically the equivalent of the Roman empire at its peak, with all it's military might, corruption, and rampant debauchery.
But sometimes we have to take off the rose-colored glasses, and maybe try to comprehend how other countries may view us.
Remember, we (America) are the ones who have used nuclear weapons before. Imagine the eye rolls at the negotiating tables with these other countries, when we tell them "you can't have these things to protect yourselves, but we can."
I grew up in America. I live in America. That's all I know.
However, I'm not dumb enough to not realize that other cultures around the world, may have other viewpoints, and sometimes, rightfully so.
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We, as Americans are hypocritical at times. At this point, we are basically the equivalent of the Roman empire at its peak, with all it's military might, corruption, and rampant debauchery.
But sometimes we have to take off the rose-colored glasses, and maybe try to comprehend how other countries may view us.
Remember, we (America) are the ones who have used nuclear weapons before. Imagine the eyeballs at the negotiating tables with these other countries, when we tell them "you can't have these things to protect yourselves, but we can."
I grew up in America. I live in America. That's all I know.
However, I'm not dumb enough to not realize that other cultures around the world, may have other viewpoints. And sometimes, rightfully so.
Delta Force operator saying the US is not a good friend
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Trump has been a disappointment. Everyday he appears more like a puppet. I'd like to be proven wrong. But he needs to lead with his actions.
You aren't wrong. But can you think of any politician other than Trump who would be more likely to keep us out of an Israeli war with Iran? (This is an honest question. I think Hillary, Biden, Bush, et al would be huge war hawks in this scenario... maybe Rand Paul would keep us out, I don't know)
IMO Trump has been a big backer of Israel in actions and words. But despite his past support I think he is stubborn and belligerent enough to go against the grain and stay out of a war over there.
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You aren't wrong. But can you think of any politician other than Trump who would be more likely to keep us out of an Israeli war with Iran? (This is an honest question. I think Hillary, Biden, Bush, et al would be huge war hawks in this scenario... maybe Rand Paul would keep us out, I don't know)
IMO Trump has been a big backer of Israel in actions and words. But despite his past support I think he is stubborn and belligerent enough to go against the grain and stay out of a war over there.
Uncle sam only cares about Uncle Sam.. $$$$$$
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But despite his past support I think he is stubborn and belligerent enough to go against the grain and stay out of a war over there.
Impossible. Israel owns congress.
“I have said to people when they ask me if this Capitol crumbled to the ground, the one thing that would remain is our commitment to our aid…and I don’t even call it aid…our cooperation with Israel. That’s fundamental to who we are.”
- Nancy Pelosi
Meaning, Israel is more important than the US.
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https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/world-news/israel-mossad-infiltrated-iran-to-damage-air-defense-systems-during-operation-rising-lion-airstrikes/ (https://nypost.com/2025/06/13/world-news/israel-mossad-infiltrated-iran-to-damage-air-defense-systems-during-operation-rising-lion-airstrikes/)
Israeli spies infiltrated the heart of Iran before Friday morning’s Operation “Rising Lion” airstrikes and damaged the country’s missile infrastructure and air defenses in a series of covert operations.
Intelligence agents with Israel’s Mossad smuggled in weaponry that destroyed defense measures inside Iran, which threatened Israeli military capabilities.
Agents deployed “significant measures” on large quantities of special weaponry and deployed them across Iran, targeting designated areas, an Israeli security source told The Post.
Explosive-laden drones had been smuggled in and stashed in the heart of Iran before the unmanned aerial vehicles flew to the base and destroyed the launchers that had “posed a threat to Israeli strategic and civilian targets.”
Sounds similar to what Ukraine did the other day to Russia's strategic bombers.
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I bet that Lindsey Graham fag is creaming his panties right now
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Iran should most certainly have nukes. How else is one going to "accidentally" go off in their borders?
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Question, especially if you applaud this war, let's say this leads to a spike in gas prices, will you accept it because it's the right thing to do? It's fun to watch bombings on the screen but may not be so fun if it has consequences for our comfortable lifestyles. Further, should it come to that, should the US sacrifice many American lives for Israel? America has given much blood for Israel in the ME wars and many of those that were involved in Iraq for example (Iraq was a war for Israel and the ones who engineered it in the US were mainly Jews), were disillusioned when they realized it was on false pretenses. All those grieving families, all those maimed, all that mental PTSD anguish. Perhaps even pangs of conscience, it was worth killing 500,000 children said Albright from her comfortable perch.
I bet that Lindsey Graham fag is creaming his panties right now
And of course these soft politicians would never shed blood themselves. Trump had bone spurs. It's sickening.
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more weapons of mass destruction
U.S. Diplomacy provided for Israeli proving that the US is Israel's bitch
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No Kings, just Autopens.
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God Bless Israel!!!
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This will explain why Netanyahu is doing what he is doing and will not listen to anyone including Trump
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i seriously doubt iran has any nukes and even if so israel has at least 200 and according to colin powell they where all aimed at iran. israel has the most powerful and well armed and trained military in the middle east.
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i seriously doubt iran has any nukes and even if so israel has at least 200 and according to colin powell they where all aimed at iran. israel has the most powerful and well armed and trained military in the middle east.
have to respect the jews in that they fought a war against multiple oponents ..stood their ground & won.
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have to respect the jews in that they fought a war against multiple oponents ..stood their ground & won.
they are tough, hell they are all trained to fight. there special forces train with ours. and well equipped there isnt any nation on the middle east that can take them in a conflict.
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Why are the USA the arbiters of who has nukes or chrm weapons
They cowardly did the Japs and Vietcong as they couldn't beat them
Everywhere they go turns to shit afghan Iraq Vietnam Cambodia sierra Leone Haiti absolute abortion of an army
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So obviously the US is all in as Trump is now saying, and all this was planned with the US, Israel wouldn't go in without US backing it. Trump brags about Israel is attacking with US weapons and how they are the best. So forget all about the baloney of whether the US will get involved or not LOL. A round of talks was planned for this weekend. So the US was "negotiating" in bad faith. Trump is demanding Iran make a deal, but this shows again how the US is not to be trusted. What would a deal be worth when it would be reneged on anyway? Iran was willing to talk, even if they had red lines. US and Trump went back and forth on whether missiles would be included in the deal, whether civilian enrichment would be acceptable, or if it would be zero. Demands changed as often as Trump posted on Truth social. Why would anyone trust the US? Same as Russia has been saying all along, US promised lots of things, like no NATO expansion, and then reneged on it.
Looks devastating for Iran so far, let's see if they can mount any retaliation. Maybe it's best they can't, no doubt Israel would resort to nukes if threatened.
"We had nothing to do with this, Israel did this unilaterally, Iran don't you attack US assets... oh look at how successful Israel is, we knew all about it!"
You think Putin thinks Trump is honest when he says he knew nothing about the strikes in Russia?
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We, as Americans are hypocritical at times. At this point, we are basically the equivalent of the Roman empire at its peak, with all it's military might, corruption, and rampant debauchery.
But sometimes we have to take off the rose-colored glasses, and maybe try to comprehend how other countries may view us.
Remember, we (America) are the ones who have used nuclear weapons before. Imagine the eye rolls at the negotiating tables with these other countries, when we tell them "you can't have these things to protect yourselves, but we can."
I grew up in America. I live in America. That's all I know.
However, I'm not dumb enough to not realize that other cultures around the world, may have other viewpoints, and sometimes, rightfully so.
It was the right call. Saved millions of Japanese and US casualties.
Concerning the Roman Empire, the US and much of the West are probably nearing 400 AD territory...
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Question, especially if you applaud this war, let's say this leads to a spike in gas prices, will you accept it because it's the right thing to do? It's fun to watch bombings on the screen but may not be so fun if it has consequences for our comfortable lifestyles. Further, should it come to that, should the US sacrifice many American lives for Israel? America has given much blood for Israel in the ME wars and many of those that were involved in Iraq for example (Iraq was a war for Israel and the ones who engineered it in the US were mainly Jews), were disillusioned when they realized it was on false pretenses. All those grieving families, all those maimed, all that mental PTSD anguish. Perhaps even pangs of conscience, it was worth killing 500,000 children said Albright from her comfortable perch.
And of course these soft politicians would never shed blood themselves. Trump had bone spurs. It's sickening.
Oil prices spike whenever there's a hot conflict - or war - in the ME. However, Israel did not target Iran's oil refineries, infrastructure, etc.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Says-No-Damage-to-Oil-Facilities-From-Israeli-Strikes.html
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to be fair here , even if iran had a nuke i seriously doubt they would use it, it would be the assurance of them getting completely wiped off the map. putin has been threatining to use nukes for what three years now he wont. i doubt most of the russian nukes even work. the maintenance on nukes is very tedious and expensive as well.
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Oil prices spike whenever there's a hot conflict - or war - in the ME. However, Israel did not target Iran's oil refineries, infrastructure, etc.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Says-No-Damage-to-Oil-Facilities-From-Israeli-Strikes.html
Yeah I was thinking if they close the strait of Hormuz like everyone has assumed they would in case of war. We'll see what happens. The US will want to take the oil of course so don't hit that :D
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Yeah I was thinking if they close the strait of Hormuz like everyone has assumed they would in case of war. We'll see what happens. The US will want to take the oil of course so don't hit that :D
you are right and if that straight is threatened they will just send in a air craft carrier navy strike fleet. and some nuclear subs
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to be fair here , even if iran had a nuke i seriously doubt they would use it, it would be the assurance of them getting completely wiped off the map. putin has been threatining to use nukes for what three years now he wont. i doubt most of the russian nukes even work. the maintenance on nukes is very tedious and expensive as well.
Yeah like I said Iran using a nuke would be suicide.
AI:
"Russia is estimated to have around 5,580 nuclear warheads, according to various sources like the Federation of American Scientists (FAS). This includes both strategic and non-strategic warheads, some of which are deployed and others retired but largely intact."
Assuming Russia doesn't have capabilities would be insanity. Look at what they've done with the Oreshnik, experts say they are far ahead in missile tech from what I've seen. The US doesn't even have hypersonic ballistic missiles. I saw some podcast with an MIT professor expert in missiles who said the planned US Golden Dome cannot be achieved, there's no defense against these missiles. Even if they could shoot one warhead there are many decoys in every nuke so you have like one chance in 20 to guess the right one. The project is a grift for the military-industrial complex. That's what I heard, I know nothing myself :
you are right and if that straight is threatened they will just send in a air craft carrier navy strike fleet. and some nuclear subs
Wouldn't that mean it will be closed regardless? I don't know exactly what the Iranians could do, they might be able to mine the whole area quickly? Or bomb it themselves? Didn't countries in the ME set aflame their own oil too?
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to be fair here , even if iran had a nuke i seriously doubt they would use it, it would be the assurance of them getting completely wiped off the map. putin has been threatining to use nukes for what three years now he wont. i doubt most of the russian nukes even work. the maintenance on nukes is very tedious and expensive as well.
Same reason as North Korea.
So no one attacks them.
And they deliberately promote themselves as if they're crazy enough to use them.
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Same reason as North Korea.
So no one attacks them.
And they deliberately promote themselves as if they're crazy enough to use them.
I think it's The Chosen who are the most likely to use them. I'm actually nervous now.
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Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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As long as the US maintains the technological advantage in weapon development and innovation, they will remain in the lead.
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Direct Hit in "Tel Aviv"
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ik5G1C3pyqlN
Iran can destroy Israel with conventional weapons. No need for nukes. As others have mentioned, Israel has a small footprint.
Just remember, Israel attacked Iran first. And they launched the last attack in 2024, Iran did not retaliate then, because they were waiting to see what happens with Trump.
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Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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my dad had $100 on Vietnam...
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my dad had $100 on Vietnam...
Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
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you are right and if that straight is threatened they will just send in a air craft carrier navy strike fleet. and some nuclear subs
Aircraft carriers are sitting ducks—Iran has the capability to strike them. Submarines are a different story.
But here’s the irony: nuking Iran would only prove why Iran felt it needed nukes in the first place.
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It was the right call. Saved millions of Japanese and US casualties.
Concerning the Roman Empire, the US and much of the West are probably nearing 400 AD territory...
I know they were prepared to drop a third nuke if Japan did not surrender. And here's a link that claims they planned to drop 12. Not sure if it is legit.
That would have killed millions.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-planned-to-drop-12-atomic-bombs-on-japan/
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obsidian, the Russia Today mouthpiece conveniently sidesteps the fact that the destruction of Israel is enshrined Iranian policy.
Funny how ‘destruction of Israel is policy’ gets repeated like gospel, but nobody mentions Israel actually attacked Iran first—multiple times in 2024. Iran responded, then didn’t retaliate after the last one. Now Israel strikes again in June 2025.
If anyone’s acting on a ‘destruction policy,’ it sure doesn’t look like Iran.
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Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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;D
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my dad had $100 on Vietnam...
Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
You really think winning wars against countries who are no danger to the US is ever the actual goal?
It's the ability to distract and pull the wool over peoples eyes that will keep America at the top.
Never bet against the worlds best psychopaths. Also known as corporate America
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I do not have a horse in this race,but Trump did say to Jew to do not attack Iran and Jew did so anyways knowing America will support Jews.
Trump should left Jews on their own and not to get involved.He will look like Jew puppet now.
Once alpha leader becomes Jew sucking beta if he doesn’t push Netanyahu against the wall.
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The timing of Israel's plan to attack Iran was top secret. But Washington pizza delivery trackers guessed something was up before the first bombs fell.
About an hour before Iranian state TV first reported loud explosions in Tehran, pizza orders around the Pentagon went through the roof, according to a viral X account claiming to offer "hot intel" on "late-night activity spikes" at the US military headquarters.
Not confining its analysis to pizza, the account noted three hours later that a gay bar near the Pentagon had "abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night," and said this probably pointed to "a busy night at the Pentagon."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14)
;D
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Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
American never lost a major battle in Vietnam. 58,200 US troops dead compared to 1.1 Million NVA. America ' lost ' a PR war and we should've never been there to begin with just like Iraq.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14)
;D
LOL I read about this last night, genius analysis method.
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You really think winning wars against countries who are no danger to the US is ever the actual goal?
It's the ability to distract and pull the wool over peoples eyes that will keep America at the top.
Never bet against the worlds best psychopaths. Also known as corporate America
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Correct. It was a rhetorical question.
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American never lost a major battle in Vietnam. 58,200 US troops dead compared to 1.1 Million NVA. America ' lost ' a PR war and we should've never been there to begin with just like Iraq.
https://allthatsinteresting.com/fragging-vietnam-war
Fragging: When Soldiers In Vietnam Revolted Against Their Officers By Murdering Them With Grenades
As the Vietnam War dragged on, soldiers began to see the war as unjust and unwinnable, leading to openly mutinous behavior.
By way of a “fragmentation grenade,” from which the term “fragging” was derived, a soldier could effectively do away with an officer without leaving any evidence. Because the shell of the grenade was destroyed, any fingerprints were destroyed with it. Individual grenades were also not given unique serial numbers, so any effort to trace the murder weapon back to the murderer was unlikely.
Fragging attacks were usually retaliation for some disciplinary action, although they were also sometimes a convenient means for worried troops to get rid of an officer they thought was incompetent.
Targets were sometimes even given a warning in the form of a grenade with their names painted on it, planted in their sleeping quarters with the safety pin still in.
Over the course of the entire Vietnam War, there were 800 documented fragging attempts in the Army and Marine Corps. By another account, over 1,000 such incidents were thought to have occurred. Between 1969 and 1970 alone, the U.S. Army reported 305 fraggings.
The true number of fragging incidents, however, may never be known. This is partly because the attacks themselves make it difficult to determine which were deliberate and partly because, in an attempt to spare the victims’ families further pain, the Army did not officially report the true cause of death of some of the officers.
The United State officially ended its involvement in Vietnam in 1973, along with its military draft. The end of the war also marked the end of the fragging epidemic, something which some historians speculate is not unrelated to the end of the draft.
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I read that Iran has downed 2-4 Israeli F-35 jets. Most likely US tax payers paid for those.
https://news.sky.com/story/iran-claims-it-has-shot-down-four-israeli-jets-as-it-fires-missiles-in-response-to-fridays-attacks-13383379
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14)
;D
Not confining its analysis to pizza, the account noted three hours later that a gay bar near the Pentagon had "abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night," and said this probably pointed to "a busy night at the Pentagon."
LMFAO!
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I bet that Lindsey Graham fag is creaming his panties right now
Lmao. Not sure why this is so funny 😂
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Hopefully we can stay out of it.
lol I wish.
Isreal been clamouring about the nukes since 1995 if I’m not mistaken.
Turn on the money printer.
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Oil... The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance. The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.
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Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.
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Thousands of years of bitching and fighting about land and religion. ::)
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Thousands of years of bitching and fighting about land and religion. ::)
The infinite war. It never ends.
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APOCALYPSE NOW IN TEL AVIV
https://rumble.com/v6urhgb-paocalypse-now-in-tel-aviv.-1-video-for-5-footages.html?mref=x8y2t&mc=722lg
Just remember who started this.
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Oil... The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance. The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.
Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.
These regime change operations always work out so great, once they rise up finally there will be democracy and liberalism. Worked great in Irak, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and on and on. Once Putin is overthrown the Russians will be just like "us." Seems to me what comes after color revolutions is always worse, and that is the intention.
Western media is so honest. Israeli media never lies either. All reporting on the Palestine war there has to pass through state censors, can't have the people hearing the "wrong" information. I'm sure you know this Ron but in case someone doubts this look it up. Israel never intentionally shot against civilians, never abused prisoners, "most moral army in the world." What is the Mossad motto? "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israelis are known for being at the forefront of intelligence gathering and manipulation of public perception. Anyhow, in wars all sides always manipulate information, don't publicize own losses and exaggerate wins.
I don't know what will happen to oil prices but I know for sure the average man in the US is awfully sensitive about gas prices. All the experts are warning that prices may spike. They are worried about Saudi oil installations becoming a target also and Saudi is *extremely* important for the US.
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Once Putin is overthrown the Russians will be just like "us."
I don't see that happening. This is pure fantasy. The US is an upstart compared to Russia. Russia existed long before Europeans even arrived in North America to build an outpost.
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lol I wish.
Isreal been clamouring about the nukes since 1995 if I’m not mistaken.
Turn on the money printer.
It is hard to know the real motivations. Netanyahu has his own political reasons to instigate and prolong conflicts. I'm no expert. Maybe they really wanted to stop Iran's nuclear program, maybe their real objective is regime change, maybe it is "wagging the dog," or maybe it is just a combination of all the above.
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Oil... The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance. The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.
Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.
this is another reason china will not go to war with the u.s china gets 80% of there oil from the saudis the u.s can easily prevent this if they wanted to. the chinese would run out of oil and food in a few months
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this is another reason china will not go to war with the u.s china gets 80% of there oil from the saudis the u.s can easily prevent this if they wanted to. the chinese would run out of oil and food in a few months
China can get their oil from Russia. They are already working on more pipelines. Look at a map. Russia is massive.
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How many booms for Tel Aviv?
https://x.com/bigmadcrab/status/1933685791340798461
https://x.com/oneofnine/status/1933697085716451641
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Here's Trump saying Biden will start a war with Iran because he has absolutely no ability to negotiate, and he is weak, and ineffective.
The irony. What is Trump then? How close are we to war with Iran?
https://x.com/bigmadcrab/status/1932938203045965873
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Who has caused most destruction so far in June?
Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?
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Who has caused most destruction so far in June?
Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?
Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.
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Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.
It is embarrassing for Iran how Israelis have infiltrated their country, building a drone base there. Likely money to Iranians has played a part, CIA and Israeli money.
Yes they are obviously operating from a base of weakness, not many options. Some analysts I watch and like think Iranians should concentrate on keeping the regime together instead of retaliating militarily right now. However they HAVE to respond in some measure because not doing anything undermines their authority as well. I have no love for Iranians as such, have many personal gripes with many of them. But here I sympathize still, they were negotiating and would have made significant concessions, accepted very tough inspections and so on, and now they're getting fucked in the ass by two faced liars like Trump. Israel and the US were demanding they lie down like dogs. Never trust Americans, that's what countries are learning more and more if they didn't think like that already.
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Netanyahu had a call with Putin and the Russian readout says they blame Israel entirely and condemn the attack. It also appears as though Russia blames the drone attacks in Russia on UK, US and Israeli cooperation with Ukraine. Interesting considering Israel also had drones in Iran itself. How much support will Russia now give Iran?
Tucker Carlson on June 5:
Mark Levin was at the White House today, lobbying for war with Iran. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war. He’s demanding that American troops do it. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, he and likeminded ideologues in Washington are now arguing. They’re just weeks away.
If this sounds familiar, it's because the same people have been making the same claim since at least the 1990s. It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb, or has plans to. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already.
Iran knows this, which is why they aren’t building one. Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him. Iran’s leaders saw that happen. They learned the obvious lesson.
So why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating about weapons of mass destruction? To distract you from the real goal, which is regime change — young Americans heading back to the Middle East to topple yet another government. Virtually no one will say this out loud. America’s record of overthrowing foreign leaders is so embarrassingly counterproductive that regime change has become a synonym for disaster. Officially, no one supports it. So instead of telling the truth about their motives, they manufacture hysteria: “A country like Iran can never have the bomb! They’ll nuke Los Angeles! We have to act now!”
They don’t really mean this, and you can tell they don’t by what they omit. At least two of Iran’s neighbors — both Islamic nations — already have nuclear weapons. That fact should scare the hell out of Mark Levin. Yet for some reason he never mentions it. How come? Because it’s not the weapons he hates. It’s the ideology of the Iranian government, which is why he’s lobbying to overthrow it.
It goes without saying that there are very few Trump voters who’d support a regime change war in Iran. Donald Trump has argued loudly against reckless lunacy like this. Trump ran for president as a peace candidate. That’s what made him different from conventional Republicans. It’s why he won. A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his supporters. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for it.
And then there’s the question of the war itself. Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at US military installations in the Gulf, as well as at our allies and at critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. It could also collapse our economy, as surging oil prices trigger unmanageable inflation. Consider the effects of $30 gasoline.
But the second week of the war could be even worse. Iran isn’t Iraq or Libya, or even North Korea. While it’s often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We’d lose.
None of these are far fetched predictions. Most of them comport with the Pentagon’s own estimates: many Americans would die during a war with Iran. People like Mark Levin don’t seem to care about this. It’s not relevant to them. Instead they insist that Iran give up all uranium enrichment, regardless of its purpose. They know perfectly well that Iran will never accept that demand. They’ll fight first. And of course that’s the whole point of pushing for it: to box the Trump administration into a regime change war in Iran.
The one thing that people like Mark Levin don’t want is a peaceful solution to the problem of Iran, despite the obvious benefits to the United States. They denounce anyone who advocates for a deal as a traitor and a bigot. They tell us with a straight face that Long Island native Steve Witkoff is a secret tool of Islamic monarchies. They’ll say or do whatever it takes. They have no limits. These are scary people. Pray that Donald Trump ignores them.
On June 13:
The real divide isn’t between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians. The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence, and those who seek to prevent it — between warmongers and peacemakers. Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone who’s calling Donald Trump today to demand air strikes and other direct US military involvement in a war with Iran. On that list: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter and Miriam Adelson. At some point they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
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Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.
Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRussia_news/comments/1lanwrg/multiple_missiles_hit_haifa/
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Who has caused most destruction so far in June?
Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?
Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.
Iran also holds strategic value for both Russia and China. The effort to undermine it follows a familiar pattern—just like Ukraine, Syria, and Afghanistan. It’s part of a broader strategy: slowly encircle and weaken Russia, with the endgame of breaking it into controllable regions. But it’s hard to imagine Putin—or the Russian people—standing by and letting that happen.
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"Moments from the new normal that the residents of Haifa must get used to as Netanyahu continues to slaughter Palestinians and attacks Iran... Good luck!"
https://x.com/SavageFunFacts/status/1934048143429222740
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Finally finally someone doing what I wanted always, showing atrocities of Israel live to enablers and funders (Council)
https://x.com/GozukaraFurkan/status/1931397898660413871
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Saw this. I think it is fake news / propaganda though:
https://x.com/IRIran_official/status/1933975339149250971
#Pakistan has informed the United States that any nuclear attack on #Iran will be met with a nuclear response from Pakistan against Israel.
Pakistan has also informed France and the U.S. that if any country directly intervenes in the war against Iran and Israel, the Pakistani military will enter the war alongside Iran against Israel.
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Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRussia_news/comments/1lanwrg/multiple_missiles_hit_haifa/
US and UK are moving military assets to the Middle East now. I think this is because the Iron Dome cannot fully protect Israel from Iran's missiles and those ships help shoot down Iran's missiles.
The last time this happened I think Jordan also helped shoot down Iranian missiles.
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US and UK are moving military assets to the Middle East now. I think this is because the Iron Dome cannot fully protect Israel from Iran's missiles and those ships help shoot down Iran's missiles.
The last time this happened I think Jordan also helped shoot down Iranian missiles.
AFAIK the UK doesn't have hardly any assets :D
Prof. Marandi of Iran said right now Jordan, Iraq, and I think he said Qatar, UAE and a couple more muslim states are involved in shooting down Iranian missiles.
Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.
Iran also holds strategic value for both Russia and China. The effort to undermine it follows a familiar pattern—just like Ukraine, Syria, and Afghanistan. It’s part of a broader strategy: slowly encircle and weaken Russia, with the endgame of breaking it into controllable regions. But it’s hard to imagine Putin—or the Russian people—standing by and letting that happen.
These points are also my impression. They don't know how many missiles Iran has exactly, they themselves I think claimed like 3000 plus there's a large industrial base all over Iran producing more. I don't know if Russia is supplying more or more defense batteries at the moment, at least not overtly. The US has a shortage of missiles, a depleted stock, they say they can't even keep supplying Ukraine anymore. So question is what happens if this becomes a war of attrition. If Israel attacks oil refineries who knows if Iran targets the Gulf oil producing states, Marandi says these states are finished if so, but he's partisan of course.
Edit: of course Israel has now attacked the largest gas field in the world in Iran.
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America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.
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America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.
Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.
I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.
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AFAIK the UK doesn't have hardly any assets :D
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Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.
I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.
These attacks affect financial markets and peoples investments, so definitely not going to help with popularity.
If the US drops support for Israel, it's pretty much over for them.
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Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.
I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.
The curbs on free speech started before Trump. There was a US House resolution equating anti-Zionism and antisemitism.
My guess is that this conflict peters out just like the India-Pakistan conflict did. At some point there will come a time when both sides can save face and say they've "won." Then we'll be back to where we started minus our tax dollars.
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Extremely risky to sail into the persian gulf.
F-35s have a limited range. So that ship would have to be positioned in the arab sea, relatively close to Iran. Unless US tankers would help.
Thanks to the IDF complete air superiority in parts of Iran is possible. Important, as otherwise the F-35s would not be able to carry underwing armament and fuel tanks, as that would ruin their radar signature
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America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.
Israel has beat the Nazis (despite genocide they survived and got their own state), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, hamas, houthi and hezbollah, PLO, and now Iran. Russia has all but left Syria too. Israel is the clear winner, and rightly so.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
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what is truly amazing is how iran looked back in the 60's and 70's totally different country back then before the revolution. the citiizens there are the ones who have been getting ass fucked for a few generations now ,
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Israel has beat the Nazis (despite genocide they survived and got their own state), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, hamas, houthi and hezbollah, PLO, and now Iran. Russia has all but left Syria too. Israel is the clear winner, and rightly so.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
I hope so.
And that their leadership get hanged to death from their own cranes in the public squares.
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I hope so.
And that their leadership get hanged to death from their own cranes in the public squares.
griffith you are right i have seen youtube videos of people who have visited iran, the general iranian people are kind, they are just under the control of a goverment with guns and military i feel sorry for them actually.
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If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
I hear what you are saying, Israel and the US makes this claim all the time. However, with all the regime change operations it ends up with more extreme factions picking up the slack. Look at Syria, it was kind of secular, now it's headed by an Al-Qaeda general who was killing Americans in Iraq! It was unbelievable how Trump flattered and praised Al-Sharaa, could hardly believe my eyes! :D In the past Israel has built up ISIS and has treated it's wounded soldiers. NOW Israel is arming ISIS-linked groups in Gaza! :o Is ISIS more moderate than Hamas? IS HST more moderate than Assad? I think Syria just launched rockets towards Israel so they are hardly Jew lovers over there. Seems to me these regime change operations have nothing to do with making countries more moderate or about helping muslims get successful LOL, the whole point is to make them descend into sectarian fighting, that's what Israel is hoping for. Iran has actually been fighting all the fundamentalist Sunni terrorist groups and keeping them in check. Thinking Iran will become a western liberal democracy is absurd. All this is a cynical take but I think it's right. Tell me I'm wrong.
BTW, I'm pretty sure Hamas was actually built up by Israel in the early days, that's a claim I've seen repeated many times at least. And that ISIS was an Israeli creation.
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I hear what you are saying, Israel and the US makes this claim all the time. However, with all the regime change operations it ends up with more extreme factions picking up the slack. Look at Syria, it was kind of secular, now it's headed by an Al-Qaeda general who was killing Americans in Iraq! It was unbelievable how Trump flattered and praised Al-Sharaa, could hardly believe my eyes! :D In the past Israel has built up ISIS and has treated it's wounded soldiers. NOW Israel is arming ISIS-linked groups in Gaza! :o Is ISIS more moderate than Hamas? IS HST more moderate than Assad? I think Syria just launched rockets towards Israel so they are hardly Jew lovers over there. Seems to me these regime change operations have nothing to do with making countries more moderate or about helping muslims get successful LOL, the whole point is to make them descend into sectarian fighting, that's what Israel is hoping for. Iran has actually been fighting all the fundamentalist Sunni terrorist groups and keeping them in check. Thinking Iran will become a western liberal democracy is absurd. All this is a cynical take but I think it's right. Tell me I'm wrong.
BTW, I'm pretty sure Hamas was actually built up by Israel in the early days, that's a claim I've seen repeated many times at least. And that ISIS was an Israeli creation.
Or at least the monarchy of Persia again :D
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Israel has beat the Nazis (despite genocide they survived and got their own state), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, hamas, houthi and hezbollah, PLO, and now Iran. Russia has all but left Syria too. Israel is the clear winner, and rightly so.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
You made a typo - just trying to be helpful! :P
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Putin and Russia are fools if they fail to back up Iran. The end goal is to break up Russia. I am starting to doubt Putin - is he another Deep State puppet? I know there are many Russian Jews in Israel. And Putin has many Jewish AND Muslim friends. I wonder what Ramzan Kadyrov thinks of Israel attacking Iran?
Russians should still hold Jews accountable for the Russian Revolution where Jews murdered the Russian Tsar and his entire family in a ritualistic manner. Yakov Yurovsky, the chief executioner, was of Jewish descent.
Some observers saw Lenin and his band as a motley group of Jewish revolutionaries. Alexander Guchkov, the Russian minister of war in the Russian Provisional Government after Tsar Nicholas II abdicated in March 1917, told the British military attaché General Alfred Knox that “the extreme element consists of Jews and imbeciles.” Lenin’s train had included 19 members of his Bolshevik party, several of his allies among the Mensheviks and six Jewish members of the Jewish Labor Bund. Almost half the passengers on the train were Jewish.
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323
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Vaporize Netanyahu and Zelenskyy already!
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Sun Tzu smiles
From the American Thinker Website
June 15, 2025
Peering Through the Fog of War
By Clarice Feldman
In wartime, it’s particularly difficult to ascertain what’s happening. Governments have a natural and healthy instinct to hide from public eyes what is going on, even those fully democratic ones that in peace have some constraints on official censorship. Nevertheless, the fact that so many people around the world have video-capable mobile phones and access to the internet makes it harder to hide what is happening.
All week long I’ve been looking at these videos, reading official IDF reports and statements by leaders of involved countries, and they show that Stacey McCain and Lee Smith, whose takes I link to below, are in full accord with what I’ve seen. The Israelis pulled off the most astonishing, most brilliant offensive in modern military history; the President orchestrated a genius misdirection allowing the Israelis to cap off 20 years preparation for this attack; Iran’s regime is on its back feet from which it will not recover; Israel has saved the world with the assistance of a number of Arab countries and the U.S.; Britain under Keir Starmer has earned the disregard of the western world and was prudently left entirely out of advance knowledge of the attacks. Obama and Biden’s loony foreign policy gave the mullahs an almost two-decade opportunity to build their nuclear capacity, which Israel, with Trump’s assistance, has destroyed. Finally, the war will continue for about a week or two, but I, at least, have no doubt about the outcome -- the end of the Mullahcracy.
Misdirection
Ido Hilbany wrote of the brilliant misdirection campaign Trump orchestrated with Netanyahu, which allowed Israel to get into position if, as was certain, the mullahs would dither in negotiations to end their nuclear enrichment program.
THE ART OF THE MISDIRECT:
I know some people are so broken they will never be able to muster a compliment for Trump, but the level of misdirection and coordination with Israel on this Iran attack was brilliant. Trump used his public platforms to lull Iran into complacency while privately coordinating with Israel. Trump and Netanyahu went so far as to meet privately this week to finalize things while publicly both leaking that Trump was urging restraint.
The problem here for the press corps is that so many of them hate Trump so much, they cannot nuance the cleverness of this. They must either approach it as Trump is a failure who even Israel does not respect or Trump is a liar who lied to everyone to get Iran.
The reality is everyone honest knows Iran has always been the liar, claiming it had no nuclear ambitions even as it plotted a bomb. The Obama/Biden policies helped Iran, which embedded agents within the Biden Administration. And Trump has turned the tables on it all, including probably taking advantage of Iran’s embedded agents to amplify his misdirection.
And now Iran has been set back significantly and the world is safer today.
But scream about Orange Man Bad if you must. The press corps that does not deal with the truth of what happened is just going to further discredit itself. They couldn’t detect Biden’s decline and cannot accept Trump’s calculated misdirection.
It’s amazing what allies can accomplish when they actually act like allies.
He played a straight course between those in his party who wanted the U.S. to militarily intervene and those who said we should have nothing to do with this. He let Steve Witkoff play at allowing the Iranian regime to do its usual dithering while he said on April 11 that they had 60 days to end the enhancement program. Doubtless, they thought they were dealing with the Obama/Biden-type vanishing red line. They weren’t. On the 61st day, Israel struck.
Lee Smith has been a longtime critic of America’s Middle East policies. This week, he thinks Trump finally got it right:
At last, an American president kept his word. He was very clear about it even before his second term started: Iran can’t have a bomb. Trump wanted it to go peacefully, but he warned that if the Iranians didn’t agree to dismantle their program entirely, they’d be bombed. Maybe Israel would do it, maybe the United States, maybe both, but in any case, they’d be bombed. Trump gave them 60 days to decide, and on day 61, Israel unleashed Operation Rising Lion.
Until this morning, when Trump posted on Truth Social to take credit for the raid, there was some confusion about the administration’s involvement. As the operation began, Secretary of State Marco Rubio released a statement claiming that it was solely an Israeli show without any American participation. But even if details about intelligence sharing and other aspects of Israeli-U.S. coordination were hazy, the statement was obviously misleading: The entire operation was keyed to Trump. Without him, the attack wouldn’t have happened as it did, or maybe not at all.
Trump spent two months neutralizing the Iranians without them realizing he was drawing them into the briar patch. Iranian diplomats pride themselves on their negotiating skills. Generations of U.S. diplomats have marveled at the Iranians’ ability to wipe the floor with them: It’s a cultural thing -- ever try to bargain with a carpet merchant in Tehran? And Trump also praised them repeatedly for their talents -- very good negotiators! The Iranians were in their sweet spot and must have imagined they could negotiate until Trump gave in to their demands or left office. But Trump was the trickster. He tied them down for two months, time that he gave to the Israelis to make sure they had everything in order.
Has Operation Rising Lion enhanced America’s peace? If it ends Iran’s nuclear weapons programs, the answer is absolutely yes. When American partners advance U.S. interests, it adds luster to American glory.
There’s already lots of talk about Trump’s deception campaign, and in the days and weeks to come, we’ll have more insight into which statements were real and which were faked and which journalists were used, without them knowing it, to print fake news to ensure the operation’s success. One Tablet colleague says it’s the most impressive operational feint since the Normandy invasion. [snip] It’s now clear that the insanely dense communications environment -- including foreign actors like the Iranians themselves, anti-Bibi Israeli journalists, the Gulf states, and the Europeans -- served the purpose of the deception campaign. But most significant was the domestic component. Did the Iranians believe reports that the pro-Israel camp was losing influence with Trump and that the “restraintists” were on the rise? Did Iran lobbyist Trita Parsi tell officials in Tehran that his colleagues from the Quincy Institute and other Koch-funded policy experts who were working in the administration had it in the bag? Don’t worry about the neocons -- my guys are steering things in a good way. It seems that, like the Iranians, the Koch network got caught in its own echo chamber.
The Brilliant Israeli Military Campaign
Stacy McCain described what I saw: a brilliant military campaign by Israel. He compared what we saw to Michael Corleone’s elimination of rival Mafia heads.
Can you imagine the kind of long-term surveillance and planning that went into this operation? Like, figuring out where the Iranian air force leaders would meet in an emergency, mapping out the location of that bunker, giving them some kind of signal of an impending attack, then watching them scurry to their bunker and -- WHAM! -- you took out the leadership at the outset of the campaign, so “that there was nobody to give the order” for the Iranian counter-attack. Meanwhile, you’ve got Mossad spies sneaking around all over Iran, ready to play their part in wrecking the enemy’s air defenses, so that the Israeli Air Force can fly in without danger of getting shot down.
One standard deviation -- it’s a lethal advantage.
He detailed some of the campaign:
As it became clear Israel was about to attack, the commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps’ air force convened in a bunker to coordinate the response.
But Israel knew that emergency protocol, and the location of the bunker. They destroyed it, killing the overall commander and the heads of the drone and air defense forces. “The fact that there was nobody to give the order neutralized an immediate Iranian response,” an Israeli official said.
They were among the more than two dozen Iranian commanders targeted in a sprawling attack on Iran’s military command-and-control. The heads of the IRGC, the Iranian military, and Iran’s emergency military headquarters were all eliminated in the opening salvo.
Another key target was Iran’s air defense systems and radars. Israeli intelligence mapped their locations, and most were hit by the Israeli Air Force in the opening strike. That gave the IDF virtually unchallenged freedom of operation in Iran’s skies.
Meanwhile on the ground, Israel’s Mossad spy agency was conducting a series of covert sabotage operations deep inside Iran to take out air defenses and ballistic missile launchers...
In central Iran, Mossad commando units had positioned guided weapons systems in open areas near Iranian surface-to-air missile launchers.
In another area inside Iran, Mossad covertly deployed weapon systems and sophisticated technologies hidden in vehicles. When the Israeli attack began, these weapons were launched and destroyed Iranian air defense targets.
Iran Stood Alone
It helps that Iran really has no friends that matter.
The coordination went deeper, though. While it is unlikely that Arab nations in the region knew the time and scope of Israeli attacks, they were all prepared to help Israel beat back any Iranian counterstrike, and they did. While many of them are making noises about how unhappy they are regarding the Israeli attacks on Iran, they are also helping Israel defend itself against retaliation.
So far, around 100 Iranian drones have been launched against Israel, and none have hit anything important.
If your knowledge of the Middle East comes from the New York Times, Washington Post, CNN, or one of many loony U.S. universities, you may be astonished to realize how hated Iran’s regime is.
“Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Azerbaijan, Qatar, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates allowed Israel to use their airspace and/or defended Israel against Iranian drone attacks last night. That also suggests Russia was likely OK with the Israeli strike and China at least knew about it.” Apparently, left in the dark was onetime ally Great Britain.
One of the architects of Obama’s disastrous policy on Iran reared his head, Ben Rhodes. The Great Iowahawk (David Burge) shot it off:
@Iowahawkblog
“No matter how absurd and lunatic the White House inner circle is right now, it will never top assigning a failed creative writing grad student and campaign van drivers [sic] -- to concoct a strategy of appeasing Iran with a billion dollar airdrop of $100 bills.”
Iowahawk did, however, find some joy in this because some of this money went to Hezb’allah and was used by them to buy pagers which the Israelis had tricked out to blow up their private parts.
By week’s end, numbers of Europeans who share a never-ending delusion that the Middle East is just like us marched, drove, and flew to Egypt expecting to be allowed to breach the border into Gaza to stand with Hamas. They were beaten up by Egyptian police and civilians and tossed out bodily, left in shock and tears. You must see this video of one of them on his knees to a group of Egyptians enforcing the border with Gaza as they roll their eyes at his stupid entreaty that all Islamic believers should stick together.
Israel now so completely controls the skies over Iran that, reportedly, it is refueling over Tehran. The IRGC is so weakened that its officers are not reporting and are being threatened with treason for not showing up. Elon Musk has activated Starlink over Iran so that civilians can more easily transmit outside the country after what’s left of the government shut down internet access. I’ve seen videos of Iranians dancing in the streets, apparently no longer fearful of recriminations. Finally, there are reports of private airplanes ferrying out what’s left of the regime elsewhere, perhaps to Russia, where they can play backgammon with Assad, who also fled there from Syria earlier.
Related Topics: Israel, Iran, Trump, Middle East, Military
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Israel now so completely controls the skies over Iran that, reportedly, it is refueling over Tehran. The IRGC is so weakened that its officers are not reporting and are being threatened with treason for not showing up. Elon Musk has activated Starlink over Iran so that civilians can more easily transmit outside the country after what’s left of the government shut down internet access. I’ve seen videos of Iranians dancing in the streets, apparently no longer fearful of recriminations. Finally, there are reports of private airplanes ferrying out what’s left of the regime elsewhere, perhaps to Russia, where they can play backgammon with Assad, who also fled there from Syria earlier.
Yes the Iranians will greet American and Israeli troops with flowers and parades LOL. Just like all the other ME countries did LOL
The truth is that patriotism is likely to increase and even people opposed to the regime will rally around the government as a response to bombing by foreign invaders. That's always what happens, basic psychology.
I can't tell what will happen, but these rosy depictions of an easy victory are way too premature. Iraq was defeated militarily in 5 minutes but it didn't turn out so great. Afghanistan didn't turn out great, took 20 years of senseless war, lots of Americans dead and crippled, and ended with a democratic Taliban government LOL.
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Putin and Russia are fools if they fail to back up Iran. The end goal is to break up Russia. I am starting to doubt Putin - is he another Deep State puppet? I know there are many Russian Jews in Israel. And Putin has many Jewish AND Muslim friends. I wonder what Ramzan Kadyrov thinks of Israel attacking Iran?
Russians should still hold Jews accountable for the Russian Revolution where Jews murdered the Russian Tsar and his entire family in a ritualistic manner. Yakov Yurovsky, the chief executioner, was of Jewish descent.
Some observers saw Lenin and his band as a motley group of Jewish revolutionaries. Alexander Guchkov, the Russian minister of war in the Russian Provisional Government after Tsar Nicholas II abdicated in March 1917, told the British military attaché General Alfred Knox that “the extreme element consists of Jews and imbeciles.” Lenin’s train had included 19 members of his Bolshevik party, several of his allies among the Mensheviks and six Jewish members of the Jewish Labor Bund. Almost half the passengers on the train were Jewish.
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323
Why have allies if they won't back you up? Russia and China need to be there for Iran.
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There’s a real possibility that Trump is playing Israel. He recently suggested that Iran and Israel should “fight it out,” signaling a potential shift away from automatic U.S. intervention. Israel may have gambled on guaranteed American support—but if Trump’s posture is a strategic bluff, it could be a setup for Israel to overextend and expose itself. Time will tell whether this was calculated restraint or just rhetoric.
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Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has spent decades preparing for this scenario. Its key defense systems and nuclear infrastructure are buried deep underground, designed specifically to withstand external attacks.
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Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has spent decades preparing for this scenario. Its key defense systems and nuclear infrastructure are buried deep underground, designed specifically to withstand external attacks.
:D
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Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has spent decades preparing for this scenario. Its key defense systems and nuclear infrastructure are buried deep underground, designed specifically to withstand external attacks.
Pakistan depends on international support for its conflicts with India. I don't think they'd involve themselves in a meaningful way.
China and Russia might give arms and intelligence, but I doubt they'd do more than that.
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China and Russia might give arms and intelligence, but I doubt they'd do more than that.
I'm watching a military fella now who says the US is removing air defense from Ukraine and shipping it to Israel. Maybe that's "good," the US should quit Ukraine but supporting Israel now weakens the US elsewhere. Can't build the posture against China if all resources go to the ME. US has already admitted they don't have much more to give Ukraine as it is and must pivot to Asia. And how to protect its self with no arms? Russia and China oppose the Israeli aggression and this will hardly make them more friendly to The Empire. They also see Trump's fake "negotiating," where he was planning an attack while saying he was close to a deal with Iran and saying he wanted peace. Trump already lost on Ukraine after all that posturing and chest thumping. Remains to be seen what happens with Iran but I fear the US will intervene directly. Will average Americans support Trump on this adventure? If gas prices skyrocket I think Americans will lose their minds :D
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Iran has no choice but to keep the oil flowing. As a result, they can’t win this. The oil markets are reflecting this.
Israeli hegemony in the ME is the future and the world is better off because of it.
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Obsidian is a good dude. I enjoy our chats on finance and AI subjects. His political views need work though. :) However, in this case he is not wrong.
You can't live by a Rules For Thee, None For Me attitude for so long and not expect it to catch up with you.
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Shalom,
fellow non jews - what to do now?
Since, by pure coincidence, we're full to the brink of the same "natural" enemies shouldn't we join the brave fight and march to Jerusalem...
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Pakistan depends on international support for its conflicts with India. I don't think they'd involve themselves in a meaningful way.
China and Russia might give arms and intelligence, but I doubt they'd do more than that.
Pakistan does have nukes though so that's probably why they entered the conversation.
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This is pure gold!
The pieces of interior and the dust make that epic video complete hahaha
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You might laugh, but Pakistan possesses roughly 170 nuclear warheads and has conducted six nuclear tests. It shares a border with Iran, making logistical support—by land or air—a very real possibility. If Israel were to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, Pakistan could supply Iran with nuclear weapons under the justification of collective self-defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
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You might laugh, but Pakistan possesses roughly 170 nuclear warheads and has conducted six nuclear tests. It shares a border with Iran, making logistical support—by land or air—a very real possibility. If Israel were to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, Pakistan could supply Iran with nuclear weapons under the justification of collective self-defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
Israel doesn’t need to use nukes. This will be settled shortly.
Iran’s only card is the Straight of Hormuz but if it messes with that it will become completely isolated and countries like China, who need Iran’s oil, will tell it to stand down or its current leadership will not be part of the picture going forward (assuming they’re still alive by the end of this week). The rational actors have no time for Iran’s nonsense.
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This is pure gold!
The pieces of interior and the dust make that epic video complete hahaha
Ha Ha Ha Allah just said FUCK YOU. ;D
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Israel doesn’t need to use nukes. This will be settled shortly.
Iran’s only card is the Straight of Hormuz but if it messes with that it will become completely isolated and countries like China, who need Iran’s oil, will tell it to stand down or its current leadership will not be part of the picture going forward (assuming they’re still alive by the end of this week). The rational actors have no time for Iran’s nonsense.
And Israel doesn't need the US either? In no way are they right now begging the US to enter the war in an offensive way? No way are the neocons in congress agitating for US interference like rabid dogs? Israel is probably completely calm and can sustain a war of attrition... no need for nukes... Israeli public is just as comfortable with being bombed and just as willing to sacrifice, as Iran. Israel is completely self sufficient, doesn't need outside help at all, the defensive Iron dome missiles will last a long time :D
“The ‘forever war’ is what Iran wants, and they’re bringing us to the brink of nuclear war. In fact, what Israel is doing is preventing this, bringing an end to this aggression,”
- Netanyahoo
I think Trump is being set up as the fall guy if he doesn't enter the war, thereby putting enormous pressure on him. Everyone has always predicted Israel will need the goyim to fight their future war with Iran. We'll see...
BTW, in one article above it says Iranians are celebrating and using Starlink that has been activated, now finally getting "freedom." It's ridiculous, Israel has a total media blackout, it's forbidden to film missile crash sites. Even with the Palestine issue, Israeli media has to clear all articles on it by censors. "Freedom" ::) The fog of war is heavy all around, difficult to get accurate info.
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You might laugh, but Pakistan possesses roughly 170 nuclear warheads and has conducted six nuclear tests. It shares a border with Iran, making logistical support—by land or air—a very real possibility. If Israel were to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, Pakistan could supply Iran with nuclear weapons under the justification of collective self-defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
This is true. However, Pakistan will not do anything as it would just draw India into the conflict. And THIS (Paki-Inida) is where WW3 will really start. None of this Iran or China or NK bullshit.