Hopefully we can stay out of it.
The US and Israel say Iran mustn’t get nukes — and threaten to destroy them to prove the point. But if you’re being threatened with annihilation, wouldn’t you want nukes too? The hypocrisy is nuclear.
Iran can’t have nukes — so we might have to bomb them.’ That logic is why Iran wants nukes. The bully says: disarm or else — and calls you the threat.
Nothing says ‘you don’t need nukes’ like constant threats of war. But sure, Iran’s the irrational one.
We threaten to bomb Iran to stop them from wanting nukes — and then act shocked when they want nukes. Genius diplomacy.
Iran doesn’t need nukes, they just need to trust the countries openly talking about bombing them. Totally reasonable.
Hopefully Hadi’s new gym is still intact.
In all seriousness Trump needs to stay TF away from this one.
In all seriousness Trump needs to stay TF away from this one.
Nothing says ‘you don’t need nukes’ like constant threats of war. But sure, Iran’s the irrational one.
We threaten to bomb Iran to stop them from wanting nukes — and then act shocked when they want nukes. Genius diplomacy.
Iran doesn’t need nukes, they just need to trust the countries openly talking about bombing them. Totally reasonable.
When we fail diplomatically to stop them producing nukes, you use force to stop it.
Stop sponsoring terrorism, stop working towards getting a nuke, and you don't get bombed.
Iran used to be a friggin' tourist destination. The mullahs have destroyed it.
Iran was the last on the 7 countries list that Wesley Clark talked about.
Israel, US, many Arab countries that are Sunni, India, the EU and many other countries needed these guys to be done with so a new age can come to the Middle East. Maybe one of peace in the future.
Yes we know Israel and the US love the Sunni because they are so peaceful. Except these are all the ones who attacked the US, the ISIS (which Israel backs even now in Gaza), and all these radical islamist groups. Al-Sharaa, a Sunni, killed Americans in Iraq but now Trump is praising him, calling him handsome. The US and Israel funded all these terrorist groups in Syria to overthrow Assad... because the Sunni are so peaceful :D It has nothing to do with peace, they want maximum war and terror in the Islamic countries. Trump said he wanted to see Iran thrive and prosper... what a load of crap. The goal is simply to cause chaos, to make them weak.
The US and Israel say Iran mustn’t get nukes — and threaten to destroy them to prove the point. But if you’re being threatened with annihilation, wouldn’t you want nukes too? The hypocrisy is nuclear.
Iran can’t have nukes — so we might have to bomb them.’ That logic is why Iran wants nukes. The bully says: disarm or else — and calls you the threat.
The idea that Iran poses “no existential threat” ignores the reality that they’ve been under constant threat of regime change or attack for decades — from nuclear-armed powers, no less. That is an existential threat.
Your "logic" is flawed. There is no existential threat to Iran. To Israel there is. Iran has stated many times it wants to destroy the entire state of Israel, they make no secret of it. So Israel has every right to prevent that from happening
Also: if Iran develops nukes and several get into the hands of terrorist organizations, Western countries also are at immense risk. Not only Israel. Israel is doing the dirty work for us. As usual the radical left pro islamisation EU will accuse Israel of everything, without the EU ever wanting to spend on defense. The EU prefers the American taxpayer to pay for Europe's safety
Don't care. No nukes for Iran.We say Iran can’t have nukes while pointing nukes at them. Irony’s gone nuclear.
Stunned here watching what is going on...Funny how “peace” always seems to require one side’s total destruction.
Axis of Resistance, loose and informal military network of militant groups, which bill themselves as resistance forces, and state-controlled armed forces in the Middle East that are supported by Iran and its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). In addition to the IRGC, the axis comprised of Syria, Hezbollah in Lebanon, Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, certain militias in Iraq, and Houthi forces in Yemen.
Israel, US, many Arab countries that are Sunni, India, the EU and many other countries needed these guys to be done with so a new age can come to the Middle East. Maybe one of peace in the future.
Syria - done
Hezbollah in Lebanon - done
Hamas in Gaza - almost done
Hoothis in Yemen - almost done
and last ... Iran... the supplier of all of these...
In a statement attributed to Wikipedia, General Wesley Clark mentioned a plan to target seven countries, beginning with Iraq and including Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran. This plan was part of a longer, five-year campaign, according to Clark.
Just like when Gaddafi stopped his program... ended with him getting a bayonet up his ass. So much for doing it the diplomatic way. And Hillary laughed... that bitch.A man was sodomized with a blade and executed on camera. She laughed about it. If that were my blood, I wouldn’t forgive. I wouldn’t forget. And I sure as hell wouldn’t move on.
Iran was the last on the 7 countries list that Wesley Clark talked about. Netanyahu's plan.
The idea that Iran poses “no existential threat” ignores the reality that they’ve been under constant threat of regime change or attack for decades — from nuclear-armed powers, no less. That is an existential threat.
Yes, Iran has made hostile statements — but so has Israel, and the U.S. has actually overthrown governments in the region. If preemptive threats justify nukes, then Iran has just as much logic for wanting them as Israel does for stopping them. That’s the hypocrisy.
And the “terrorist handoff” argument? It’s speculative. The only country in the Middle East with undeclared nukes and a history of military preemption is Israel. Yet we never question their nukes.
If nuclear non-proliferation is the goal, threatening countries with annihilation isn’t how you get there — it’s how you make sure they want the bomb even more.
Israel doesn’t have to say it wants to destroy Iran — it’s backed covert operations, assassinations, and cyberattacks against Iranian scientists and infrastructure. That’s not peacekeeping — that’s warfare.
Israel has had a nuclear weapon since 1966. Israel has never stated they want to destroy the country of Iran. They just don't want the crazy ayatollahs to support hezbollah, hamas, houthis etc
And more importantly they don't want nuclear weapons on the hands of religious fundamentalist muslims. Israel is a small country, it only takes one nuke to vaporise it.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.The U.S. is the only nation to ever drop nuclear bombs — not in theory, not in fear, but in action. On Japan. Twice. Remember that when talking about who “can’t be trusted” with nukes.
All countries should want nukes. They're a great deterrent. All countries who already have them should try to prevent others from obtaining them to keep their advantage. I think it is both logical and hypocritical, but I'm a cynic. ;DAgreed. There would be no Ukraine vs Russia war if Ukraine had kept their nukes. Nuclear warheads are the biggest peacemakers the world has ever known.
Even now, they are fighting and killing other clan factions in Gaza.
Israel is arming local militias in Gaza in an effort to counter Hamas in the besieged enclave, officials say, as opposition politicians warned that the move endangers national security.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended the covert enterprise on Thursday, calling it “a good thing.” In a video posted on social media, Netanyahu said Israel had “activated clans in Gaza which oppose Hamas,” and that it was done “under the advice of security elements.”
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/06/middleeast/israel-arming-hamas-rivals-gaza-intl
All countries should want nukes. They're a great deterrent. All countries who already have them should try to prevent others from obtaining them to keep their advantage. I think it is both logical and hypocritical, but I'm a cynic. ;DAgreed. In this case, two things can be true.
Israel has had a nuclear weapon since 1966. Israel has never stated they want to destroy the country of Iran. They just don't want the crazy ayatollahs to support hezbollah, hamas, houthis etc
And more importantly they don't want nuclear weapons on the hands of religious fundamentalist muslims. Israel is a small country, it only takes one nuke to vaporise it.
If the 9/11 terrorists had a nuke at their disposal, they would have used it. New York City, or another major American city, would be gone. The implications of such a action would be off the scales. Both in loss of lives, but also economically / socially.
We, as Americans are hypocritical at times. At this point, we are basically the equivalent of the Roman empire at its peak, with all it's military might, corruption, and rampant debauchery.
But sometimes we have to take off the rose-colored glasses, and maybe try to comprehend how other countries may view us.
Remember, we (America) are the ones who have used nuclear weapons before. Imagine the eyeballs at the negotiating tables with these other countries, when we tell them "you can't have these things to protect yourselves, but we can."
I grew up in America. I live in America. That's all I know.
However, I'm not dumb enough to not realize that other cultures around the world, may have other viewpoints. And sometimes, rightfully so.
Trump has been a disappointment. Everyday he appears more like a puppet. I'd like to be proven wrong. But he needs to lead with his actions.
You aren't wrong. But can you think of any politician other than Trump who would be more likely to keep us out of an Israeli war with Iran? (This is an honest question. I think Hillary, Biden, Bush, et al would be huge war hawks in this scenario... maybe Rand Paul would keep us out, I don't know)
IMO Trump has been a big backer of Israel in actions and words. But despite his past support I think he is stubborn and belligerent enough to go against the grain and stay out of a war over there.
But despite his past support I think he is stubborn and belligerent enough to go against the grain and stay out of a war over there.
Israeli spies infiltrated the heart of Iran before Friday morning’s Operation “Rising Lion” airstrikes and damaged the country’s missile infrastructure and air defenses in a series of covert operations.
Intelligence agents with Israel’s Mossad smuggled in weaponry that destroyed defense measures inside Iran, which threatened Israeli military capabilities.
Agents deployed “significant measures” on large quantities of special weaponry and deployed them across Iran, targeting designated areas, an Israeli security source told The Post.
Explosive-laden drones had been smuggled in and stashed in the heart of Iran before the unmanned aerial vehicles flew to the base and destroyed the launchers that had “posed a threat to Israeli strategic and civilian targets.”
I bet that Lindsey Graham fag is creaming his panties right now
i seriously doubt iran has any nukes and even if so israel has at least 200 and according to colin powell they where all aimed at iran. israel has the most powerful and well armed and trained military in the middle east.have to respect the jews in that they fought a war against multiple oponents ..stood their ground & won.
have to respect the jews in that they fought a war against multiple oponents ..stood their ground & won.
We, as Americans are hypocritical at times. At this point, we are basically the equivalent of the Roman empire at its peak, with all it's military might, corruption, and rampant debauchery.
But sometimes we have to take off the rose-colored glasses, and maybe try to comprehend how other countries may view us.
Remember, we (America) are the ones who have used nuclear weapons before. Imagine the eye rolls at the negotiating tables with these other countries, when we tell them "you can't have these things to protect yourselves, but we can."
I grew up in America. I live in America. That's all I know.
However, I'm not dumb enough to not realize that other cultures around the world, may have other viewpoints, and sometimes, rightfully so.
Question, especially if you applaud this war, let's say this leads to a spike in gas prices, will you accept it because it's the right thing to do? It's fun to watch bombings on the screen but may not be so fun if it has consequences for our comfortable lifestyles. Further, should it come to that, should the US sacrifice many American lives for Israel? America has given much blood for Israel in the ME wars and many of those that were involved in Iraq for example (Iraq was a war for Israel and the ones who engineered it in the US were mainly Jews), were disillusioned when they realized it was on false pretenses. All those grieving families, all those maimed, all that mental PTSD anguish. Perhaps even pangs of conscience, it was worth killing 500,000 children said Albright from her comfortable perch.
And of course these soft politicians would never shed blood themselves. Trump had bone spurs. It's sickening.
Oil prices spike whenever there's a hot conflict - or war - in the ME. However, Israel did not target Iran's oil refineries, infrastructure, etc.
https://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Iran-Says-No-Damage-to-Oil-Facilities-From-Israeli-Strikes.html
Yeah I was thinking if they close the strait of Hormuz like everyone has assumed they would in case of war. We'll see what happens. The US will want to take the oil of course so don't hit that :D
to be fair here , even if iran had a nuke i seriously doubt they would use it, it would be the assurance of them getting completely wiped off the map. putin has been threatining to use nukes for what three years now he wont. i doubt most of the russian nukes even work. the maintenance on nukes is very tedious and expensive as well.
you are right and if that straight is threatened they will just send in a air craft carrier navy strike fleet. and some nuclear subs
to be fair here , even if iran had a nuke i seriously doubt they would use it, it would be the assurance of them getting completely wiped off the map. putin has been threatining to use nukes for what three years now he wont. i doubt most of the russian nukes even work. the maintenance on nukes is very tedious and expensive as well.
Same reason as North Korea.
So no one attacks them.
And they deliberately promote themselves as if they're crazy enough to use them.
Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.my dad had $100 on Vietnam...
Never bet against America
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my dad had $100 on Vietnam...Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
you are right and if that straight is threatened they will just send in a air craft carrier navy strike fleet. and some nuclear subsAircraft carriers are sitting ducks—Iran has the capability to strike them. Submarines are a different story.
It was the right call. Saved millions of Japanese and US casualties.I know they were prepared to drop a third nuke if Japan did not surrender. And here's a link that claims they planned to drop 12. Not sure if it is legit.
Concerning the Roman Empire, the US and much of the West are probably nearing 400 AD territory...
obsidian, the Russia Today mouthpiece conveniently sidesteps the fact that the destruction of Israel is enshrined Iranian policy.
Whatever is going and whatever you're feeling, just remember one thing.
Never bet against America
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my dad had $100 on Vietnam...
Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
The timing of Israel's plan to attack Iran was top secret. But Washington pizza delivery trackers guessed something was up before the first bombs fell.
About an hour before Iranian state TV first reported loud explosions in Tehran, pizza orders around the Pentagon went through the roof, according to a viral X account claiming to offer "hot intel" on "late-night activity spikes" at the US military headquarters.
Not confining its analysis to pizza, the account noted three hours later that a gay bar near the Pentagon had "abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night," and said this probably pointed to "a busy night at the Pentagon."
Who won? Some say Vietnam won. ;D
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14)
;D
You really think winning wars against countries who are no danger to the US is ever the actual goal?Correct. It was a rhetorical question.
It's the ability to distract and pull the wool over peoples eyes that will keep America at the top.
Never bet against the worlds best psychopaths. Also known as corporate America
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American never lost a major battle in Vietnam. 58,200 US troops dead compared to 1.1 Million NVA. America ' lost ' a PR war and we should've never been there to begin with just like Iraq.https://allthatsinteresting.com/fragging-vietnam-war
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pizza-delivery-monitor-alerts-to-secret-israel-attack/ar-AA1GFvCx?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=7202e77f85334f24a87e271f196dfc8b&ei=14)
;D
Not confining its analysis to pizza, the account noted three hours later that a gay bar near the Pentagon had "abnormally low traffic for a Thursday night," and said this probably pointed to "a busy night at the Pentagon."LMFAO!
I bet that Lindsey Graham fag is creaming his panties right now
Hopefully we can stay out of it.
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Thousands of years of bitching and fighting about land and religion. ::)The infinite war. It never ends.
Oil... The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance. The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.
Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.
Once Putin is overthrown the Russians will be just like "us."I don't see that happening. This is pure fantasy. The US is an upstart compared to Russia. Russia existed long before Europeans even arrived in North America to build an outpost.
lol I wish.
Isreal been clamouring about the nukes since 1995 if I’m not mistaken.
Turn on the money printer.
Oil... The United States produces more crude oil than it consumes and has become a net exporter of petroleum products. While the US imports some crude oil, it exports even more, resulting in a net positive export balance. The US is ok with the price being higher, it makes for good profit for oil companies here.
Iran claims everything they can in their news - they need to keep the people thinking all is great. before they rise up against the leaders.
this is another reason china will not go to war with the u.s china gets 80% of there oil from the saudis the u.s can easily prevent this if they wanted to. the chinese would run out of oil and food in a few monthsChina can get their oil from Russia. They are already working on more pipelines. Look at a map. Russia is massive.
Who has caused most destruction so far in June?
Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?
Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.
Mark Levin was at the White House today, lobbying for war with Iran. To be clear, Levin has no plans to fight in this or any other war. He’s demanding that American troops do it. We need to stop Iran from building nuclear weapons, he and likeminded ideologues in Washington are now arguing. They’re just weeks away.
If this sounds familiar, it's because the same people have been making the same claim since at least the 1990s. It’s a lie. In fact, there is zero credible intelligence that suggests Iran is anywhere near building a bomb, or has plans to. None. Anyone who claims otherwise is ignorant or dishonest. If the US government knew Iran was weeks from possessing a nuclear weapon, we’d be at war already.
Iran knows this, which is why they aren’t building one. Iran also knows it’s unwise to give up its weapons program entirely. Muammar Gaddafi tried that and wound up sodomized with a bayonet. As soon as Gaddafi disarmed, NATO killed him. Iran’s leaders saw that happen. They learned the obvious lesson.
So why is Mark Levin once again hyperventilating about weapons of mass destruction? To distract you from the real goal, which is regime change — young Americans heading back to the Middle East to topple yet another government. Virtually no one will say this out loud. America’s record of overthrowing foreign leaders is so embarrassingly counterproductive that regime change has become a synonym for disaster. Officially, no one supports it. So instead of telling the truth about their motives, they manufacture hysteria: “A country like Iran can never have the bomb! They’ll nuke Los Angeles! We have to act now!”
They don’t really mean this, and you can tell they don’t by what they omit. At least two of Iran’s neighbors — both Islamic nations — already have nuclear weapons. That fact should scare the hell out of Mark Levin. Yet for some reason he never mentions it. How come? Because it’s not the weapons he hates. It’s the ideology of the Iranian government, which is why he’s lobbying to overthrow it.
It goes without saying that there are very few Trump voters who’d support a regime change war in Iran. Donald Trump has argued loudly against reckless lunacy like this. Trump ran for president as a peace candidate. That’s what made him different from conventional Republicans. It’s why he won. A war with Iran would amount to a profound betrayal of his supporters. It would end his presidency. That may explain why so many of Trump’s enemies are advocating for it.
And then there’s the question of the war itself. Iran may not have nukes, but it has a fearsome arsenal of ballistic missiles, many of which are aimed at US military installations in the Gulf, as well as at our allies and at critical energy infrastructure. The first week of a war with Iran could easily kill thousands of Americans. It could also collapse our economy, as surging oil prices trigger unmanageable inflation. Consider the effects of $30 gasoline.
But the second week of the war could be even worse. Iran isn’t Iraq or Libya, or even North Korea. While it’s often described as a rogue state, Iran has powerful allies. It’s now part of a global bloc called BRICS, which represents the majority of the world’s landmass, population, economy and military power. Iran has extensive military ties with Russia. It sells the overwhelming majority of its oil exports to China. Iran isn’t alone. An attack on Iran could very easily become a world war. We’d lose.
None of these are far fetched predictions. Most of them comport with the Pentagon’s own estimates: many Americans would die during a war with Iran. People like Mark Levin don’t seem to care about this. It’s not relevant to them. Instead they insist that Iran give up all uranium enrichment, regardless of its purpose. They know perfectly well that Iran will never accept that demand. They’ll fight first. And of course that’s the whole point of pushing for it: to box the Trump administration into a regime change war in Iran.
The one thing that people like Mark Levin don’t want is a peaceful solution to the problem of Iran, despite the obvious benefits to the United States. They denounce anyone who advocates for a deal as a traitor and a bigot. They tell us with a straight face that Long Island native Steve Witkoff is a secret tool of Islamic monarchies. They’ll say or do whatever it takes. They have no limits. These are scary people. Pray that Donald Trump ignores them.
The real divide isn’t between people who support Israel and people who support Iran or the Palestinians. The real divide is between those who casually encourage violence, and those who seek to prevent it — between warmongers and peacemakers. Who are the warmongers? They would include anyone who’s calling Donald Trump today to demand air strikes and other direct US military involvement in a war with Iran. On that list: Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Rupert Murdoch, Ike Perlmutter and Miriam Adelson. At some point they will all have to answer for this, but you should know their names now.
Iran is just piddling around. None of these fools ever actually really retaliate against Israel because they’re scared and Israel just has much better weapons. They’re smarter too.Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.
Who has caused most destruction so far in June?Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.
Israel on Iran or Iran on Israel?
Haifa has been hit very hard. Looked like a steady meteor shower. Most hit the ground.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProRussia_news/comments/1lanwrg/multiple_missiles_hit_haifa/
US and UK are moving military assets to the Middle East now. I think this is because the Iron Dome cannot fully protect Israel from Iran's missiles and those ships help shoot down Iran's missiles.
The last time this happened I think Jordan also helped shoot down Iranian missiles.
Apparently, Iran’s warheads are heavier than Israel’s. Iran is also a much larger country with the geographical advantage of housing its nuclear and weapons facilities deep underground—something Israel doesn’t have the same luxury to do. Without U.S. backing, Israel would likely lose a conventional war with Iran. Its only trump card is nuclear weapons—but using them would only highlight the hypocrisy. The message would essentially be: Iran wasn’t allowed to have nukes, so we had to nuke them to prove our point.
Iran also holds strategic value for both Russia and China. The effort to undermine it follows a familiar pattern—just like Ukraine, Syria, and Afghanistan. It’s part of a broader strategy: slowly encircle and weaken Russia, with the endgame of breaking it into controllable regions. But it’s hard to imagine Putin—or the Russian people—standing by and letting that happen.
America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.
AFAIK the UK doesn't have hardly any assets :D
Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.
I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.
Israel has won the loathing of the whole world.
I think, according to polls, at least 70% of Americans are against Israel due to what it's doing in Gaza. It has lost a whole lot of soft power. Americans loathe Israel so much that Trump has had to put them in a new special protected class, curbing freedom of speech. If Israel resorts to nuclear weapons now, they will have to invent a new class of evil to describe it. You can win and still lose.
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America loves a winner. Israel is a winner.
Israel has beat the Nazis (despite genocide they survived and got their own state), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, hamas, houthi and hezbollah, PLO, and now Iran. Russia has all but left Syria too. Israel is the clear winner, and rightly so.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
I hope so.
And that their leadership get hanged to death from their own cranes in the public squares.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
I hear what you are saying, Israel and the US makes this claim all the time. However, with all the regime change operations it ends up with more extreme factions picking up the slack. Look at Syria, it was kind of secular, now it's headed by an Al-Qaeda general who was killing Americans in Iraq! It was unbelievable how Trump flattered and praised Al-Sharaa, could hardly believe my eyes! :D In the past Israel has built up ISIS and has treated it's wounded soldiers. NOW Israel is arming ISIS-linked groups in Gaza! :o Is ISIS more moderate than Hamas? IS HST more moderate than Assad? I think Syria just launched rockets towards Israel so they are hardly Jew lovers over there. Seems to me these regime change operations have nothing to do with making countries more moderate or about helping muslims get successful LOL, the whole point is to make them descend into sectarian fighting, that's what Israel is hoping for. Iran has actually been fighting all the fundamentalist Sunni terrorist groups and keeping them in check. Thinking Iran will become a western liberal democracy is absurd. All this is a cynical take but I think it's right. Tell me I'm wrong.
BTW, I'm pretty sure Hamas was actually built up by Israel in the early days, that's a claim I've seen repeated many times at least. And that ISIS was an Israeli creation.
You made a typo - just trying to be helpful! :P
Israel has beat the Nazis (despite genocide they survived and got their own state), Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, hamas, houthi and hezbollah, PLO, and now Iran. Russia has all but left Syria too. Israel is the clear winner, and rightly so.
If the Israeli campaign continues succesfully there is a possibility of the fall of the insane ayatollah regime in Iran. They are very weakened right now. Highly humiliating how the Israeli Air Force is dominating. The Iranian people are poor, the country despite all its commodities is in ruins and near third world level.
Fundamentalist islam always is a losing bet.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtaY1IQWgAE39i_?format=jpg&name=large)Vaporize Netanyahu and Zelenskyy already!
Israel now so completely controls the skies over Iran that, reportedly, it is refueling over Tehran. The IRGC is so weakened that its officers are not reporting and are being threatened with treason for not showing up. Elon Musk has activated Starlink over Iran so that civilians can more easily transmit outside the country after what’s left of the government shut down internet access. I’ve seen videos of Iranians dancing in the streets, apparently no longer fearful of recriminations. Finally, there are reports of private airplanes ferrying out what’s left of the regime elsewhere, perhaps to Russia, where they can play backgammon with Assad, who also fled there from Syria earlier.
Putin and Russia are fools if they fail to back up Iran. The end goal is to break up Russia. I am starting to doubt Putin - is he another Deep State puppet? I know there are many Russian Jews in Israel. And Putin has many Jewish AND Muslim friends. I wonder what Ramzan Kadyrov thinks of Israel attacking Iran?Why have allies if they won't back you up? Russia and China need to be there for Iran.
Russians should still hold Jews accountable for the Russian Revolution where Jews murdered the Russian Tsar and his entire family in a ritualistic manner. Yakov Yurovsky, the chief executioner, was of Jewish descent.
Some observers saw Lenin and his band as a motley group of Jewish revolutionaries. Alexander Guchkov, the Russian minister of war in the Russian Provisional Government after Tsar Nicholas II abdicated in March 1917, told the British military attaché General Alfred Knox that “the extreme element consists of Jews and imbeciles.” Lenin’s train had included 19 members of his Bolshevik party, several of his allies among the Mensheviks and six Jewish members of the Jewish Labor Bund. Almost half the passengers on the train were Jewish.
https://www.jpost.com/magazine/was-the-russian-revolution-jewish-514323
(https://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/June%2015%20Israeli%20Strike%20on%20Iranian%20Leadership.png)Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has spent decades preparing for this scenario. Its key defense systems and nuclear infrastructure are buried deep underground, designed specifically to withstand external attacks.
Iran has a population nearly 10 times larger than Israel. There’s no realistic path for Israel to defeat Iran in a conventional war without direct U.S. military support. But such intervention would likely trigger a broader conflict—Russia, China, and Pakistan are unlikely to sit on the sidelines. None of them would tolerate another regime change or a Western puppet state in such a strategic region.
Iran has spent decades preparing for this scenario. Its key defense systems and nuclear infrastructure are buried deep underground, designed specifically to withstand external attacks.
China and Russia might give arms and intelligence, but I doubt they'd do more than that.
Pakistan depends on international support for its conflicts with India. I don't think they'd involve themselves in a meaningful way.Pakistan does have nukes though so that's probably why they entered the conversation.
China and Russia might give arms and intelligence, but I doubt they'd do more than that.
:D
You might laugh, but Pakistan possesses roughly 170 nuclear warheads and has conducted six nuclear tests. It shares a border with Iran, making logistical support—by land or air—a very real possibility. If Israel were to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, Pakistan could supply Iran with nuclear weapons under the justification of collective self-defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
This is pure gold!
The pieces of interior and the dust make that epic video complete hahaha
Israel doesn’t need to use nukes. This will be settled shortly.
Iran’s only card is the Straight of Hormuz but if it messes with that it will become completely isolated and countries like China, who need Iran’s oil, will tell it to stand down or its current leadership will not be part of the picture going forward (assuming they’re still alive by the end of this week). The rational actors have no time for Iran’s nonsense.
You might laugh, but Pakistan possesses roughly 170 nuclear warheads and has conducted six nuclear tests. It shares a border with Iran, making logistical support—by land or air—a very real possibility. If Israel were to launch a nuclear strike on Iran, Pakistan could supply Iran with nuclear weapons under the justification of collective self-defense.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
This is true. However, Pakistan will not do anything as it would just draw India into the conflict. And THIS (Paki-Inida) is where WW3 will really start. None of this Iran or China or NK bullshit.
This is true. However, Pakistan will not do anything as it would just draw India into the conflict. And THIS (Paki-Inida) is where WW3 will really start. None of this Iran or China or NK bullshit.
How do you know? Your a prophet?
The Samson Option (Hebrew: ברירת שמשון, romanized: b'rerat shimshon) is Israel's deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.[1] Commentators also have employed the term to refer to situations where non-nuclear, non-Israeli actors have threatened conventional weapons retaliation.[2]
Trump says Tehran should evacuate. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/trump-urges-tehran-evacuation-iran-israel-conflict-enters-fifth-day-2025-06-17/
How do you know? Your a prophet?
“Israel has total superiority over Iranian air space. IDF planes can fly as freely over Tehran as they can over Tel Aviv. The ayatollahs have been unable to protect even the upper levels of their military command, which has been decimated almost at a stroke. This is unprecedented in the annals of warfare.
The same goes for some of the most important nuclear scientists who should have been among the most protected people in the country. Heavily guarded nuclear sites have been repeatedly struck, as has energy infrastructure. Substantial numbers of ballistic missiles and drones have been destroyed before they could be launched. Israeli special forces have been operating on the ground in Iran with impunity and the extent of intelligence penetration of the regime and its military seems breathtaking.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/khamenei-guards-militarily-defeated-rest-160201625.html
;D
il Donaldo Trumpo
@PapiTrumpo
WHO DID THIS???😂😂😂
https://x.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1933641292182896998
Never forgetI went to school with a girl related to one of the hostages (uncle I think).
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Doesn't sound good at all to me.
Bannon says the Iran war, all the forever wars, are Deep State ideas. Ending forever wars is a central tenet of Trumpism. But what are we heading towards? Bannon thinks the coming 200 days are critical.
Guess who's winning again?
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They, and Bannon in particular, are fringe voices at this point.
The “Deep State,” if you want to call it that, was never going anywhere. Trump’s campaign rhetoric to end it was just that, rhetoric.
Hate to say the obvious, but AGAIN?! When did America win a war the last time? Iraq and Afghanistan were hardly wins, they are national traumas. What are you referring to? Trump is between a rock and a hard place here, who thinks this will just be some bombing and then it's all over, the US can pivot to Asia?
Yeah, it wasn't going anywhere, you're probably right it was delusional to think that. I've said as much here for a long time. Other posters here said Trump has killed the Deep State, he's really doing it! "Fuck you, you love Biden!" :D If what you say is true it just means the so-called "MAGA base" is fringe, the "little guy" who Trump depended on for votes, ultimately doesn't matter. Trump has the same fucking neocons and Jews calling the shots now, almost everyone in his circle is actively working against his stated objectives, as Bannon says. I don't know if Bannon matters at all, I don't watch his podcast at all, but I've seen mentions in MSM that Bannon is hugely influential, the "base" listens to him. But it's the same base that is fringe. Not really having watched Bannon previously I was kind of impressed with this podcast. Tucker had the most watched show in the whole of US, did he not?
Trump keeping fucking Lindsey Graham around is absurd! :D
But I have a question, especially to the ones who support this Iran affair, if US goes on the offensive, should Trump put the question to congress before he does? Should Americans have a say?
I read on BBC that Trump said “we have total control over Iran's skies”. Mimicking what Israel said but then adding that American weapons are superior to irans defense tech. I don’t like that kind of talk.
I read on BBC that Trump said “we have total control over Iran's skies”. Mimicking what Israel said but then adding that American weapons are superior to irans defense tech. I don’t like that kind of talk.Not sure what's propaganda and what's not. But let's assume Iran is completely losing right now.
We are going to establish some kind of military base in iran watch. To keep russia in check as well as to guarantee Israels long term safety. I would enlist in case of a draft.Sounds like you suffer from "The Secret Life of Walter Mitty" syndrome. There is little chance of this happening. The US is basically bankrupt. Nobody wants to buy US bonds, except for the US government and I guess stablecoin issuers. Where will all the money come for all these bases?
But I have a question, especially to the ones who support this Iran affair, if US goes on the offensive, should Trump put the question to congress before he does? Should Americans have a say?
Today, U.S. Senator Tim Kaine (D-VA), a member of the Senate Armed Services and Foreign Relations Committees, introduced a war powers resolution expressing concern about the escalating violence in the Middle East and its potential to pull the U.S. into conflict. The resolution will require a prompt debate and vote prior to using any U.S. military force against Iran.
A bipartisan group of House members on Tuesday introduced a war powers resolution to prohibit U.S. involvement in Iran as its conflict with Israel intensifies, signaling they may force a vote on the matter.
Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who is one of the most outspoken libertarian-leaning Republicans advocating against U.S. military intervention abroad, posted on the social media site X on Monday that he would introduce such a resolution on Tuesday.
We are going to establish some kind of military base in iran watch. To keep russia in check as well as to guarantee Israels long term safety. I would enlist in case of a draft.
They’ll have as much say as they usually do but Congress is fully behind Israel so it really doesn’t matter.
If Israel truly has air superiority and Iranian air defenses are neutralized, the U.S. will send B-2 bombers with 30,000 lb bunker busters to destroy Iranian nuke installations.The U.S. MOP (GBU‑57A/B) can penetrate ~60 m (~200 ft) of reinforced concrete/soil
No need to invade Iran with troops which would be foolish.
Hate to say the obvious, but AGAIN?! When did America win a war the last time? Iraq and Afghanistan were hardly wins, they are national traumas. What are you referring to? Trump is between a rock and a hard place here, who thinks this will just be some bombing and then it's all over, the US can pivot to Asia?
The Israelis are highly competent and the Iranians have shown shocking incompetence.So was Iran never really a threat? If that’s the case, then Israel’s attack becomes even more indefensible. You can’t simultaneously claim Iran was an existential danger and then gloat about how easily they're being defeated. That contradiction only exposes this war as yet another Western regime-change operation—no different from what we saw in Iraq, Libya, or Syria: topple a sovereign state and replace it with a compliant puppet.
So was Iran never really a threat? If that’s the case, then Israel’s attack becomes even more indefensible. You can’t simultaneously claim Iran was an existential danger and then gloat about how easily they're being defeated. That contradiction only exposes this war as yet another Western regime-change operation—no different from what we saw in Iraq, Libya, or Syria: topple a sovereign state and replace it with a compliant puppet.
So was Iran never really a threat? If that’s the case, then Israel’s attack becomes even more indefensible. You can’t simultaneously claim Iran was an existential danger and then gloat about how easily they're being defeated
They don't go into those "wars" trying to win. The conflicts are to feed the military industrial complex and there is also a lot of dirty money laundering goes on.Trump is captured by them, and he may have no choice. He may have been told behind closed doors that he or his children will be killed if he does not play along with the Deep State.
It's beyond Trumps sphere of influence.
You easily can and they did: Iran is CLOSE to a bomb, so we have to take them out now BEFORE they become more formidable.They've been close to a bomb for 25 years. That's a tired old argument. And Russia or Pakistan should have just given them one and allowed them to test it in the desert somewhere for Proof-of-Nuke. I am still wondering why Russia did not do this. Perhaps they don't trust the Iranians 100%? The US has nuclear weapons in numerous nations. They even had some on Okinawa in the 60s, even though Japan technically did not allow it. I know someone that actually worked there.
Trump is captured by them, and he may have no choice. He may have been told behind closed doors that he or his children will be killed if he does not play along with the Deep State.
The US empire is facing financial collapse. Few buyers remain for US bonds—except the government itself. The US is turning pro-crypto because stablecoin issuers are now buying these bonds. However, it seems that the government wants to outlaw allowing interest to be paid directly to stablecoin holders, reserving yield exclusively for their prized bonds or traditional financial institutions.
For decades Iran funded proxies across the middle east. In Syria, Iraq, Yeman, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. They were all systematically dismantled. All that's left now is Iran.But they were never an existential threat.
As for Khamenei. I'm pretty sure they could have taken him out, but they left him alive as they want him to surrender. They don't want to make him a martyr and encourage the crazies to fight on.
They've been close to a bomb for 25 years. That's a tired old argument. And Russia or Pakistan should have just given them one and allowed them to test it in the desert somewhere for Proof-of-Nuke. I am still wondering why Russia did not do this. Perhaps they don't trust the Iranians 100%? The US has nuclear weapons in numerous nations. They even had some on Okinawa in the 60s, even though Japan technically did not allow it. I know someone that actually worked there.
But they were never an existential threat.Strong stock demand doesn't solve the US debt crisis.
How likely do you think a steady invasion of Israel by millions of Muslims willing to die for their cause is? Remember Brad Pitt's World War Z? With all the Zombies climbing over the walls? I guess Muslims are not that fanatical. But it made me think how Israel would deal with a mass infiltration and literal war in the streets, door to door. The population is concentrated in small areas, and they can't bomb themselves. Seems to me if the Muslims were hell bent on taking out Israel that they could eventually take that approach?
But they were never an existential threat.
How likely do you think a steady invasion of Israel by millions of Muslims willing to die for their cause is? Remember Brad Pitt's World War Z? With all the Zombies climbing over the walls? I guess Muslims are not that fanatical. But it made me think how Israel would deal with a mass infiltration and literal war in the streets, door to door. The population is concentrated in small areas, and they can't bomb themselves. Seems to me if the Muslims were hell bent on taking out Israel that they could eventually take that approach?
Russia and Iran might have some interests aligned at this time but historically they have not been allies.Ukraine and Russia were at one point, and now look where they are. Russia manufacture and gave nuclear warheads to Ukraine during the Soviet Union era, and was smart enough to take it back when the USSR collapsed. Perhaps that could influence their decision with Iran. Or they could use Iran to deplete more of the US' weapons supply, reducing Ukraine's resistance. Then there's the US / China / Taiwan issue. These BRICS nations are obviously gaming scenarios behind the scenes. I don't see how a pro-Western puppet regime in Iran is in the best interest of Russia, China, or BRICS. And they have the means to prevent it.
I'd be surprised if one country willingly gave nukes to another unless it was a very "special relationship" like USA and England, or Russia and Belarus. I don't think Iran and Russia or Iran and Pakistan are on that level.
Why do you think Iran funded groups like Hamas and Hezbollah? If Iran was attacked as they are being now then those Iranian proxies were meant be mobilised onto the streets, door to door and fighting in those small areas of Israel.Those were small numbers. I am wondering what if it becomes a mass mobilization. In the movie "The Day After", nuclear weapons are detonated over advancing Soviet Troops.
Whats next?
Another bombardment from Israel?
They've been close to a bomb for 25 years. That's a tired old argument.
It's close to ending
[T]he US and Israel did not launch this war to try to eliminate the nuclear sites. They know they can't. They are too well-protected and dispersed and any damage can be reconstituted in the short-term. They launched it to cause total state collapse in Iran, beginning in phases. The first phase was the eliminate the top military and IRGC leaders, while also going after scientists and mass killing civilians in the process.
This would create the false impression that they are still somewhat restrained and focused on military/nuclear targets.
After taking what they expect will be a similarly constrained response from Iran, they will see that as confirmation that Iran will not adhere to its own stated red lines and is still afraid of meeting Israel at the same level of escalation.
That is their green light to proceed to the next phase, which is to target and kill top political leaders, including Khamenei.
Their hope isn't to replace the current government and state with some re-hash of the monarchist Zionist fascist through his failson, they know there is no base of support for that inside the country.
Their hope is to do another Libya and Syria: Unleash proxy forces they fund and arm together with the Gulf "Arab shield" puppet regimes and NATO-Erdogan and turn it into a spiral of death and chaos, a concocted "civil war" where Iranians are paid and armed by the CIA and Mossad to kill Iranians.
The MEK and other such proxy forces have already been trained and prepared and are ready to be activated. They will begin with car bombings and terrorist attacks mass killing civilians. "ISIS" will reappear again and do its typical job for their CIA-Mossad masters.
The US and Israel decided to launch this war since before Trump was elected, and it has the full and total support of the entire US military-intelligence-industrial complex and the media and political class, both Republicans and Democrats and it would have also happened if Kamala Harris won the election.
They see Iran and the Axis of Resistance and its alliance with Russia and China as the main obstacle to full and total Zionist US-NATO-Israeli imperial hegemony in the region and by extension the world, and they want to destroy it as it is the only one that unlike Russia and China does not have a nuclear deterrent and they want to get to it before it obtains it.
This is an existential war of survival not just for the Iranian state, but for Iran as a nation.
If this project succeeds, the country will be balkanized, ethnic divisions will be stirred by foreign actors, the CIA and Mossad and the Gulf puppets will fund and arm dozens of proxy death and rape-squads roaming their fiefdoms, tens of millions of lives will be destroyed.
Everything must be done to prevent this. Iran has the weapons to do so. It has the capacity to do so, it is only a question of will. Does it have the will to do what it takes to prevent the mass destruction of their own people and nation. I hope it does. We must all hope it does.
Now Trump stands poised on the knife’s edge of one of his most historically critical decisions—whether to betray the mandate of the American people and consign his second term and dwindling legacy to the trash heap of history, or to pull back on the strings of Miriam Adelson and other donors and show a spine in standing up for the real ‘America First’ vision he promised to all. As of this writing, there are reports of urgent meetings in the Pentagon surrounding precisely the issue of Israel’s request for the US to officially enter the war to ‘finish off Iran’.
Yanis Varoufakis writes:
"This is Trump's Waterloo. He posed as the Leviathan who would bring a stealthy Peace, a smart Deal that averts a war with Iran. Then, with one more gross violation of international law, Netanyahu puts him in a little box: For either Trump knew of the attack, in which case he is no more than Netanyahu's stooge. Or he didn't know, which begs the question why he didn't know and how will he react to being treated like a fool by Netanyahu. Either way, Trump's strongman, dealmaking image is now toast. Either way, he goes down in history as yet another US President that Netanyahu bent to his genocidal will."
The entire non-Western world is now watching this pivotal turning point moment with bated breath: Trump can either make a move to redeem at least some lost hope for America’s global leadership, or instead pound the final nail in its coffin, forever edifying the rising Global South as to the true nature of the immoral, barbarous, and unprincipled West. It is a metaphysical crossroads: Trump will either stay true to his quasi-spiritual mission of world betterment, or he will drown the US in the blood of neocon imperialism.
Israel’s long-term approach is security driven:
Israel backed Hamas against Fatah, a policy whose consequences are visible in the carnage in Gaza today.
It backed the South Lebanese army (SLA) in Lebanon, until the SLA’s collapse amid the emergence of Hezbollah.
If Netanyahu’s comments appear eerily familiar, it is because they are. The same Netanyahu, and Iran hawks in the US, pushed a similar argument in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq in 2003. Iraqis then, like Iranians, the world was told, would welcome the removal of Saddam. The Middle East would be reshaped.
Meaningful regime change, however (whatever that means in practical terms), is not the same as regime destruction.
In Iraq, where ultimately an incompetent US effort was made at nation-building, and Libya – where it was not – there followed periods of bloody chaos, which continues in Libya.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/17/netanyahu-israel-iran-regime-change-destruction
I see you copied and pasted this from a Guardian article. The article echoes what I said previously:
That is, the goal is chaos, death and destruction, not betterment for the Iranians or to free them from an oppressive regime. Bibi says "We are not against you, the Iranian people." Meanwhile the plan, if successful, is to kill millions of people through a civil war through terror groups funded and instructed by the CIA and Mossad.
Perhaps the aim of constant war in the Middle East is to prevent them being stable enough to take a side of a larger country wanting to wage war on the US and Allies?
It does seem at any sign of unity, next minute they are being bombed.
Iran’s disruptive regime needs to fall in line with the new world order.
And let me guess, with a world court in Jerusalem ruling over all?
What a nightmare vision. It doesn't get more dark than this in my opinion.
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And let me guess, with a world court in Jerusalem ruling over all?
What a nightmare vision. It doesn't get more dark than this in my opinion.
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Watch this vid bror
Earlier I edited my post above to include this vid 8)Reckless rhetoric from Trump. You can't evacuate 10 million people. Where do they go? And the ones that don't make it out? Too bad, we warned you, now we bomb the fuck out of your city. Iran should absolutely develop a nuclear weapon after Trump threatened 10 million Iranians. Or Russia / China / Pakistan should donate enough to match Israel's 200 nukes. Deterrence for Peace.
We will see who is right, the doomsayers or the ones here who say this will be over in a couple of weeks and forgotten in 6 months. I fucking hope I'm 100% wrong and worried for no reason. I just don't get how one can be so optimistic; Trump tells Iranians the whole of Tehran should evacuate - all 10 million people! My reading tells me they are going to do an insane blitz, bombers refueling from US tankers and no one is safe in Tehran and elsewhere in Iran. So much for Israel being able to do this on their own.
Look at this insane text Trump reposted on Truth Social. Madness.
Earlier I edited my post above to include this vid 8)
We will see who is right, the doomsayers or the ones here who say this will be over in a couple of weeks and forgotten in 6 months. I fucking hope I'm 100% wrong and worried for no reason. I just don't get how one can be so optimistic; Trump tells Iranians the whole of Tehran should evacuate - all 10 million people! My reading tells me they are going to do an insane blitz, bombers refueling from US tankers and no one is safe in Tehran and elsewhere in Iran. So much for Israel being able to do this on their own.
Look at this insane text Trump reposted on Truth Social. Madness.
Reckless rhetoric from Trump. You can't evacuate 10 million people. Where do they go? And the ones that don't make it out? Too bad, we warned you, now we bomb the fuck out of your city. Iran should absolutely develop a nuclear weapon after Trump threatened 10 million Iranians. Or Russia / China / Pakistan should donate enough to match Israel's 200 nukes. Deterrence for Peace.
Man that’s just fucking nuts. Trump needs to back the fuck off of the Iran rhetoric and let this thing play out between the two parties currently involved.
Man that’s just fucking nuts. Trump needs to back the fuck off of the Iran rhetoric and let this thing play out between the two parties currently involved.
OlympiaGym above thinks Russia and China support this action, the protests are just fake rhetoric for the masses. I don't think so, they know they are next on the chopping block. But they have the bomb, so...
I posted above that the USS Liberty incident is as good as proven to be a malicious action. Israel never had to answer for it. Sailors were threatened if they spoke out. US president turned back the planes that were en route to help. Said something to the effect of, "I'll be damned if I turn against our ally for a few dead sailors."
Iran is on it's own here and a couple of bunker buster bombs ends this.
Iran couldn’t maintain the integrity of its airspace for even a few hours. Anyone even remotely familiar with military history knows what that means. One way or another the end result is inevitable. Iran has been neutered.
So the choice is up to the Iranian people - get in the fold or see your living conditions deteriorate beyond anything you’ve previously experienced.
China is very dependent on Iranian oil and is actually relying on us to keep the Straight of Hormuz open because its military doesn’t have the force projection to do so (at least not yet). People need to realize how much more advanced the US military is relative to every other country in the world both in size and technology. No country has the force projection capabilities of the US. It’s not even close. Google how many military aircraft the US has compared to everyone else. The difference is mind blowing.
I sure hope you are right. But if this is such an easy win, why does the US have to get involved at all? Israel is panicking, they can't take even a little bombing.
This could be over any time the US wants it to be over
Depends on what you mean by "over" I guess. If you mean killing everyone then sure. But it's not like the affair ends there. The country has to be engineered to US and Israeli liking. They probably will want to fly over the Shah's exiled son, but I don't know if anyone can predict how that will go over with the Iranian people. And then you have to secure the Iranian energy resources.
Ending Iran's nuclear capabilities is the primary goal and that alone will bring stability back to the region.
Any regime change would be a bonus, but it's not a necessity.
Why would they need to kill everyone?
Btw you are doing a great impression of MattC when he would bug out over something ;D
Earlier I edited my post above to include this vid 8)
We will see who is right, the doomsayers or the ones here who say this will be over in a couple of weeks and forgotten in 6 months. I fucking hope I'm 100% wrong and worried for no reason. I just don't get how one can be so optimistic; Trump tells Iranians the whole of Tehran should evacuate - all 10 million people! My reading tells me they are going to do an insane blitz, bombers refueling from US tankers and no one is safe in Tehran and elsewhere in Iran. So much for Israel being able to do this on their own.
Look at this insane text Trump reposted on Truth Social. Madness.
I just don’t see a doomsday scenario here for Americans. Even in the worst-case outcome. Say, a full-scale invasion and occupation like we saw in Afghanistan or Iraq. I think that would be a terrible mistake. I’d strongly oppose it. But as an American, living half a world away and not serving in the military, it likely wouldn’t affect my daily life in any tangible way. I’d see it as a waste of taxpayer money and a deeply flawed foreign policy decision. However, my life would remain unchanged, just like after those other wars. (No doubt it would devastate the average Iranian citizen like we did to the average Iraqi)
What if gas spiked to for example 25 bucks a gallon, like some doomsayers are speculating? :D It's also coldhearted to not care at all about the carnage for ordinary Iranians. Obviously we can't care about everything in the world, but still. Like I've said it's "fun" to watch bombing on TV but what about if sacrifices have to be made, even relatively minor ones like gas price. If the Iranians decide to attack and kill scores of American troops in other countries around there, (if they do manage to fire missiles it appears there's little defense against it) it could/would be traumatic nationally. "Then we will annihilate them," sure but that doesn't bring back those troops. If this thing spirals out of control it will cause frictions and new factions fighting each other within American society. People like Tucker and Bannon say this war will alienate many within the MAGA movement because may voted for Trump to end foreign entanglements.
Like I said, I hope we aren't on a road to hell :-\ EVERYONE acknowledges the risk of this spreading into a regional war, if not world war.
Edit: so now I'm watching some analysts like Gilbert Doctorow and Douglas McGregor who say Israel only has Iron Dome missiles for another 7-10 days. Gilbert says this is why Russia isn't rushing in, because this isn't as existential for Iran as media will have you believe. Gilbert also says Trump is likely bluffing about America going in because even Trump, as stupid as he is, knows he will completely fuck himself if he does, the US assets in the region are totally exposed and Iran also has militias in other countries like Iraq that can attack US bases. So maybe Israel will shortly start talking about a ceasefire while declaring they already won by setting back the nuclear program by decades. We will see :D
There will be no world war. The people of iran have suffered long enough. God has answered their prayers and has come to their aid. The psychotic noose of islam is being removed from their throats so that they may live a free people.Plus Russia has been greatly weakened in their war with Ukraine and China's economy would collapse. Nobody really wants to back Iran.
What if gas spiked to for example 25 bucks a gallon, like some doomsayers are speculating? :D It's also coldhearted to not care at all about the carnage for ordinary Iranians. Obviously we can't care about everything in the world, but still. Like I've said it's "fun" to watch bombing on TV but what about if sacrifices have to be made, even relatively minor ones like gas price. If the Iranians decide to attack and kill scores of American troops in other countries around there, (if they do manage to fire missiles it appears there's little defense against it) it could/would be traumatic nationally. "Then we will annihilate them," sure but that doesn't bring back those troops. If this thing spirals out of control it will cause frictions and new factions fighting each other within American society. People like Tucker and Bannon say this war will alienate many within the MAGA movement because may voted for Trump to end foreign entanglements.
Like I said, I hope we aren't on a road to hell :-\ EVERYONE acknowledges the risk of this spreading into a regional war, if not world war.
Edit: so now I'm watching some analysts like Gilbert Doctorow and Douglas McGregor who say Israel only has Iron Dome missiles for another 7-10 days. Gilbert says this is why Russia isn't rushing in, because this isn't as existential for Iran as media will have you believe. Gilbert also says Trump is likely bluffing about America going in because even Trump, as stupid as he is, knows he will completely fuck himself if he does, the US assets in the region are totally exposed and Iran also has militias in other countries like Iraq that can attack US bases. So maybe Israel will shortly start talking about a ceasefire while declaring they already won by setting back the nuclear program by decades. We will see :D
There will be no world war. The people of iran have suffered long enough. God has answered their prayers and has come to their aid. The psychotic noose of islam is being removed from their throats so that they may live a free people.
Plus Russia has been greatly weakened in their war with Ukraine and China's economy would collapse. Nobody really wants to back Iran.
I don't think gas would go up that high. I don't remember it doing that in either Iraq war. Maybe it would go up to $4 or $5 a gallon at worst? Who knows.
I don’t think Iran will attack one of our bases in the Middle East. Not only out of concern for how we’d react, but also because it would push the Gulf countries even further against them. The Arabs and Persians aren’t exactly allies to begin with, and Iran has its own regional image to worry about. Someone on the political board mentioned a false flag event to pull the US into this, which is what I think would really happen. All those squawking war hawks in congress will become unbearably loud.
The thoughts on the Iron Dome make sense to me. We move ships and planes to that area to help shoot down Iranian missiles, probably because of the dome's limitations.
Guys on this thread are saying regime change isn't the goal. But now the Israelis are themselves confirming the focus has shifted and regime change is on the agenda. Who would have guessed :D
And Israel says Iran now crossed a red line when they hit a hospital, it's a "despicable war crime by the terrorist Iranian regime!" The GALL of these people, they make me sick. After bombing all the Gaza hospitals, all the schools and other institutions, after killing 55 thousand (at least) mostly defenseless women and children. Israel killed I think 60 children in Iran in just one strike. Has there ever been a more evil people in the history of the world? These people also approve of homosexual raping of unconvicted detainees. While at the same time spreading proven lies about beheaded babies and mass rape on October 7. All this is justified because their Yahweh told them they have the right. From the old testament to now these people have been genocidal. Modern terrorism was invented by Israel. By all standards the pager attack was terrorism. The gall to call others war criminals ::)>:(
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I don't think gas would go up that high. I don't remember it doing that in either Iraq war. Maybe it would go up to $4 or $5 a gallon at worst? Who knows.lol dude gas already costs that much here
I don’t think Iran will attack one of our bases in the Middle East. Not only out of concern for how we’d react, but also because it would push the Gulf countries even further against them. The Arabs and Persians aren’t exactly allies to begin with, and Iran has its own regional image to worry about. Someone on the political board mentioned a false flag event to pull the US into this, which is what I think would really happen. All those squawking war hawks in congress will become unbearably loud.
The thoughts on the Iron Dome make sense to me. We move ships and planes to that area to help shoot down Iranian missiles, probably because of the dome's limitations.
Fuck Israel.
Ending Iran's nuclear capabilities is the primary goal and that alone will bring stability back to the region.I don't think nuclear is the issue. It's about controlling Iran's resources. Which is why Iraq was invaded. They knew Iraq never had any WMDs. They wanted to control the oil.
Any regime change would be a bonus, but it's not a necessity.
Why would they need to kill everyone?
Btw you are doing a great impression of MattC when he would bug out over something ;D
Iran is said to supply 1/6 of the world's oil supply.Good luck with that. Apparently the Iranians are as good with concrete construction as the Iraqis. They will have moved the strategic nuclear material somewhere else before the bombing, and build another facility in the blink of an eye.
I think the U.S. will bomb that nuke site inside the mountain with the B-2 bomber and the MOP bunker buster.
A good way to test if it works.
The world is insane.
I've become obsessed with this topic :D I don't think I'm on the spectrum though, but have never been evaluated :Dlol. Already been shown to be a bunch of BS
By "everyone" I mean going after all the politicians and regime supporters. Trump saying Tehran needs to evacuate sounds ominous though; he's clearly saying those 10 million people are at risk of dying.
Guys on this thread are saying regime change isn't the goal. But now the Israelis are themselves confirming the focus has shifted and regime change is on the agenda. Who would have guessed :D
This has to be satire, no one can actually think like this ::)??? :D
People in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya feel so free. Israel's genocidal God Yahweh has liberated them, the people greet the colonizers with flowers and parades. Al-Qaeda and ISIS and now Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) never oppressed anyone.
From the very start of the SMO in Ukraine it was repeatedly reported Russia will be broken economically, their weapon stocks have run out as well. Reality on the ground doesn't bear this out. Now Russia stands to benefit because many countries removed the air defenses and resources and moved them to the ME. Trump's diplomatic power in that conflict has evaporated, he failed utterly, now he's begging Putin to intervene in the Iran conflict (another interpretation says it was Putin who offered mediating help but Trump's ego can't accept it.) Some claim the sanctions just helped Russia to reorganize their economy to become self-sufficient, little outside trade needed. But maybe this is wrong and Russia will collapse any day now... :D
Yeah I don't claim to know how for example gas prices would/could be affected, just relaying some alarmist projections. Everyone does seem to worry about the Strait of Hormuz. The Ayatollah has said they will attack American assets if the US attacks. There is NO defense to hypersonic ballistic missiles, we see that in Israel right now. US THAAD systems haven't helped, nothing works. Like I said, several analysts claim to know Israel only has defensive missiles for another 2 weeks at most anyway, at current levels of bombing. See what Ted Postol said about Israel's missile defense capabilities.
No Iron Dome on other countries US bases either. We will see if Iran makes good on their promise, if they have the resolve and iron will...
Israel is known for false flag events, many such examples. Like with USS Liberty, Israel attacked with the Star of David sign covered up on their planes, hoping the US would blame Egypt and be drawn into Israel's aid.
The war hawks are incredibly loud, like they are with Russia. Lindsey Graham. Levin. All that money accepted from Jewish donors, Miriam Adelson surely demands something for the reported 600 million dollars. And read that Mike Huckabee lunatic message to Trump if you didn't yet. I'm sure it tickled Trump's ego just right, him basically being called a God-ordained messiah :D
So apparently Israel has been trying to censor any footage of Iranian strikes. The Iron Dome and other defenses are running out of supplies, and soon Iran will be able to strike with impunity. Some video footage still escapes the censorship.
lol Russian bot detected.
Iran also apparently built the facilities deep enough where bunker busters could not reach.
Iran is putting a ban on social media to prevent the world seeing what's happening there too. Actually full internet shutdown.
lol. Already been shown to be a bunch of BS
Regime change isn't the primary goal, but the US will put a squeeze on them for as long as possible hoping for a surrender or for them to be overthrown.
If it doesn't happen they'll cut some kinda deal
"Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks."
If you overlook the Russophilia, are you on Israel's side on this? Israel's or the Palestinian side? :D And regarding the Ukraine issue, you actually said with a straight face that NATO is in no way expansionist unlike Russia :D :D :D
I'm agnostic but if there is a righteous God I pray that there's a measure of justice for Israel's crimes.
Ted Postol goes over the many issues with the bunker busters. They have ways to deflect the impact so the missile turns sideways, and who says the bunkers are straight down from whatever entrance is on top, and so on. He thinks the attempt will fail unless the Iranians were stupid in building them.
Sure, but what about Israel? Come on man, Israel has banned any filming of crash sites, almost all journalists are banned, unless they are allowed in some very limited cases, there is a threat of jail time. Control of information happens by all sides in all wars. Both sides here downplay their damage and exaggerate the successes. Israel will downplay damage until they are losing then it's the usual Jewish playbook of being oppressed and being eternal victims, "look what these barbarian terrorists are doing, they are hitting hospitals, where CHILDREN sleep!" like Bibi does right now. Like this lunatic never bombed a hospital or outright targeted children!
Iran is putting a ban on social media to prevent the world seeing what's happening there too. Actually full internet shutdown.
I am not with Israel, nor Iran. Russia warned today for the US not to get involved. The thing is a powder keg there now. Ukraine was not close to joining Nato. All those former soviet countries wanted in to Nato it was not something pushed on them, unlike Russia's full scale war with Ukraine. Ukraine does not want to be a second class citizen in Russia's empire any longer.
It is easy to call the internet shutdown an attempt at censorship and suppression of dissent towards the regime. And Iran clearly does censor. But in this case, I think it is actually about national defense. I'm sure WhatsApp and Facebook and whatever else is being used will have information scoured by AI and sent to Israel. In the US there is a big push to ban TikTok so China couldn't do that to us.
We will revisit this in the future, we'll see if this is over in a few days, if it's an easy win, if it's all but forgotten in 6 months, as you predict :D Even Bibi is now saying this is a complicated situation but they have to do it, but you know better I'm sure.
I am not with Israel, nor Iran. Russia warned today for the US not to get involved. The thing is a powder keg there now. Ukraine was not close to joining Nato. All those former soviet countries wanted in to Nato it was not something pushed on them, unlike Russia's full scale war with Ukraine. Ukraine does not want to be a second class citizen in Russia's empire any longer.
It was someone else who said these things. I said this isn't a prelude to WWIII and it will be over soon. Ranking the most likely to least likely scenarios
Negotiations/Ceasefire
Iranian regime surrender
Iranian regime is overthrown
US boots on the ground and it's another Iraq.
We canrevist this (this has reminded me to revisit some other threads ;D)
In just before Italy ;D:D
It was someone else who said these things. I said this isn't a prelude to WWIII and it will be over soon. Ranking the most likely to least likely scenarios
Negotiations/Ceasefire
Iranian regime surrender
Iranian regime is overthrown
US boots on the ground and it's another Iraq.
We canrevist this (this has reminded me to revisit some other threads ;D)
If you overlook the Russophilia, are you on Israel's side on this? Israel's or the Palestinian side? :D And regarding the Ukraine issue, you actually said with a straight face that NATO is in no way expansionist unlike Russia :D :D :D
I'm agnostic but if there is a righteous God I pray that there's a measure of justice for Israel's crimes.
Ted Postol goes over the many issues with the bunker busters. They have ways to deflect the impact so the missile turns sideways, and who says the bunkers are straight down from whatever entrance is on top, and so on. He thinks the attempt will fail unless the Iranians were stupid in building them.
Sure, but what about Israel? Come on man, Israel has banned any filming of crash sites, almost all journalists are banned, unless they are allowed in some very limited cases, there is a threat of jail time. Control of information happens by all sides in all wars. Both sides here downplay their damage and exaggerate the successes. Israel will downplay damage until they are losing then it's the usual Jewish playbook of being oppressed and being eternal victims, "look what these barbarian terrorists are doing, they are hitting hospitals, where CHILDREN sleep!" like Bibi does right now. Like this lunatic never bombed a hospital or outright targeted children!
Trump is getting cold feet, whatever he does here he is fucked, I don't see any way where he doesn't lose big.
Israel is running out of ammo for their missile defense. They will demand Trump intervene. If he does, there are huge risks. Regional war, US troops at huge risk (planes being repositioned in Qatar right now for example), turning the MAGA base against him and on and on.
We will revisit this in the future, we'll see if this is over in a few days, if it's an easy win, if it's all but forgotten in 6 months, as you predict :D Even Bibi is now saying this is a complicated situation but they have to do it, but you know better I'm sure.
I saw that video you posted. Really interesting info. I often listen to long YouTube discussions at 2x. If it is really interesting, I might slow it down to 1.5x or even 1x.
It seems some of you forget about the massacre on oct 7th in Israel of 1500 women and children. Masterminded by the regime of iran. They are going to burn for their crimes, and i am going to enjoy watching very much. Van keeps saying Israel attacked iran first, BULLSHIT. had it.been 1500 swedish women and children you would feel differently.
Fuck all of that. Regime change is not the goal, its eye for an eye mother fucker
Violence is all these animals understand, its what they know. Live by the sword, die by it.
It seems some of you forget about the massacre on oct 7th in Israel of 1500 women and children. Masterminded by the regime of iran. They are going to burn for their crimes, and i am going to enjoy watching very much. Van keeps saying Israel attacked iran first, BULLSHIT. had it.been 1500 swedish women and children you would feel differently.
Fuck all of that. Regime change is not the goal, its eye for an eye mother fucker
Violence is all these animals understand, its what they know. Live by the sword, die by it.
This is the guy many claim the CIA wants to fly in after the regime change. I don't know how Iranians in Iran would feel about him. I do know the Iranians I know here don't like the clerics, but many here are homos who would probably want gay pride parades in Tehran. I don't know if the "Crown Prince of Iran" would accomodate that.
It seems some of you forget about the massacre on oct 7th in Israel of 1500 women and children. Masterminded by the regime of iran. They are going to burn for their crimes, and i am going to enjoy watching very much. Van keeps saying Israel attacked iran first, BULLSHIT. had it.been 1500 swedish women and children you would feel differently.
Fuck all of that. Regime change is not the goal, its eye for an eye mother fucker
Violence is all these animals understand, its what they know. Live by the sword, die by it.
I saw some guy talking about how isreal was built like a fortress and idf were every 10 feet according to him, then he wondered out loud how they could be invaded like that without knowing.
“Despite all the complexity of the situation around Iran, we built a nuclear reactor in Bushehr... And despite all the challenges and certain risks, we continue this work.”
I saw some guy talking about how isreal was built like a fortress and idf were every 10 feet according to him, then he wondered out loud how they could be invaded like that without knowing.
Know what to do in case!
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Relax.
Everyone doom posting, thinking other muslim nations will side with Iran and join any war. It's not gonna happen. Pakistan is and has always been Americas bitch. The Arab powers will condemn any actions from Israel and the US, but they are aligned. They want the Iranian regime to end and stability in the region.
Iran is on it's own here and a couple of bunker buster bombs ends this.
Flexacon > youtube "experts"
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Wow. But hold your horses just a while longer. Now it's really getting interesting.
Declaring victory immediately?
Ending Iran's nuclear capabilities is the primary goal and that alone will bring stability back to the region.
Any regime change would be a bonus, but it's not a necessity.
Why would they need to kill everyone?
Btw you are doing a great impression of MattC when he would bug out over something ;D
Trump is already getting his victory speech ready :D There may still be some more bombs that fly between Israel and Iran, but it will all fizzle out.
You see there is one important thing here I'm assuming you didn't consider as probably don't believe it, but the Iranian regime do not seek war with Israel despite what people might say.
Their primary objective (based on prophetical reasons) is to stay in power Iran. As long as they are not made to look weak or like cucks, they will take the negotiations/peace route
This is a report on what is most likely to happen in Iran, as early as this weekend, according to Israeli insiders and American officials I’ve relied upon for decades. It will entail heavy American bombing. I have vetted this report with a longtime US official in Washington, who told me that all will be “under control” if Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei “departs.” Just how that might happen, short of his assassination, is not known.
Yeah we will see if Iran responds, if they can respond.
Iran doesn't want war with Israel, as some analysts have said if Israel stopped the genocide, perhaps released all the Palestinian detainees, peace would be immediate. Iran has also sought better relations with the US. According to the Iranians and various analysts at least. There are also Jews who live in Iran and, again according to some analysts, one of whom I watched yesterday say this, feel less "anti-semitism" there than Jews feel in the US.
Seymour Hersh whom I quoted above was right, the bombing came on the weekend.
So Khamenei might "depart" soon but it's said he's already appointed two others to succeed him.
It has very little to do with genocide.
The Iranian regime will forever be preparing for war, but they don't seek war (yet)
They are waiting for a descendent of prophet Mohammed called Mahdi to appear. Jesus is gonna show up too and they team up like the avengers and the lead all muslims to war against the antichrist and Jews.
You can forget what analysts, podcasters and doomers are saying, because until Mahdi, Jesus and the Antichrist show up, the Iranian regime have no desire for war (only preparing for war)
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I saw some guy talking about how Israel was built like a fortress and idf were every 10 feet according to him, then he wondered out loud how they could be invaded like that without knowing.
I'm referring to Gaza and the Palestinian territories in case I wasn't clear. Iran says they have sunk hundreds of billions into Palestine, and have a special government account for Palestine support. So they are committed to their cause. It's only Iran and Yemen who really support Palestine, they are abandoned by the Gulf states and other Sunni states.
I don't think the Iranians ever wanted the bomb, they just wanted some leverage. If the clerics take their religion seriously I'm pretty sure they see using a nuclear bomb as a great sin. That's what Khamenei has always stated anyway. Religious people are notoriously corrupt, maybe the clerics want power for power's sake, and live a life of luxury and hedonism. Maybe, maybe not. I think some Muslims take their religion seriously, like Bin Laden who moved into a cave, when he was immensely wealthy and could have lived a life of hedonism instead. I'm not sure but I think Judaism is more permissive and in my understanding there's not much emphasis on the afterlife. But someone could educate me if I'm wrong.
Evangelical Christians wait for Jesus and Armageddon to start in Israel and they see this Iran war as hastening that process, it's an end-of-days cult. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that in their interpretation Jews have a chance then to convert or be killed. Jews wait for the building of the third temple, and the Al Aqsa Mosque needs to be destroyed, and then their Messiah, the real Messiah, unlike the son of a whore Jesus, will appear (Jesus is in hell boiling in a vat of shit and semen now according to the Talmud) :D
How Christian Zionists worship the Jews who hate Christ is a little hard to understand, but all these religions are lunatic as far as I'm concerned. Israel founded and funded Hagee's "Christians for Jews" in the US, they may not have that much influence but I'm sure they're useful.
They've been close to a bomb for 25 years. That's a tired old argument. And Russia or Pakistan should have just given them one and allowed them to test it in the desert somewhere for Proof-of-Nuke. I am still wondering why Russia did not do this. Perhaps they don't trust the Iranians 100%? The US has nuclear weapons in numerous nations. They even had some on Okinawa in the 60s, even though Japan technically did not allow it. I know someone that actually worked there.
A “number of countries” are ready to supply Iran with nuclear warheads following American strikes on nuclear facilities early on Sunday, Russian ex-president Dmitriy Medvedev claimed on social media.
It is not. One day I hope you get to go there and see for yourself instead of the vision the TikTokker bullcrap making people think that it is that reality. It is not. Tel-Aviv is a modern city, with many different people and high tech. Jerusalem is much more ancient, more religious in many areas. Each city has its own unique style. But because of Gaza and the fences, and because of the West Bank and the suicide bombers in the past, a wall was built to stop those. Unless you are right next to it, it is different. Not so much in the last year or two, because of Hamas and the attacks, and the missles from Hezbollah, Hoothies, Iran. But hopefully, in a few months, things will change. Hamas will be out, and perhaps new Palestinians who do want peace, and not the destruction of Israel will be more brave and come forward for that reality for their children and families. Like Syria, which took 30 years. Like Lebanon is trying to do with keeping Hezbollah in check.
most Palestinians i sense have lost family and friends to Israeli bombs and bullets, finding a majority that want peace will be difficultMy problem with the situation is they bring their differences to places like Germany, Palestinians here hate Jews
Read my lips - no more forever wars
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My problem with the situation is they bring their differences to places like Germany, Palestinians here hate Jews
I think in the USA they don't see this on a daily basis like say here.
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on their way to the UKYes & the shit will start. ..of course Bart Simpson in Idaho will scream hell yeah..go Trump but he won't live with the whole problem in his back yard.
What is Russia going to do? Its threats are meaningless. Ukraine has exposed Russia’s conventional military as second-rate at best. Russia’s only threat is the nuclear one and I doubt they can handle that competently.
olympia you got that right russias military is a joke, they cant even take ukraine ,they have no navy now as well
We will see in the future. Might take a while, Russia hasn't been in a hurry. But Russia doesn't want to "take" Ukraine. They have said all along that they want a sovereign Ukraine but it cannot form a hostile block with the US. Because the US is hostile, do you deny that? When the US goals have been documented for decades. If Russia wanted to destroy the Ukraine don't you think they could easily do that? They look beyond, they will have to live with the Ukrainians in the future. Russia hasn't even targeted the leadership which they easily could, like US and Israel have done in Iran. I don't pretend to know everything that happens there, these are just my impressions so far 8)
Russia can’t do anything “easily” militarily. You think they want to be mired in a war of attrition with Ukraine? If they could’ve destroyed Ukraine, or taken out its leadership, they would have. Have you seen the videos of Russian soldiers going to the front on personal motorcycles? Russia’s soldiers have low morale and are ill-equipped. Russia has nuclear weapons and that’s about it.
Latinos are very passionate peopleThankfully they don't have nukes.
We will see in the future. Might take a while, Russia hasn't been in a hurry. But Russia doesn't want to "take" Ukraine. They have said all along that they want a sovereign Ukraine but it cannot form a hostile block with the US. Because the US is hostile, do you deny that? When the US goals have been documented for decades. If Russia wanted to destroy the Ukraine don't you think they could easily do that? They look beyond, they will have to live with the Ukrainians in the future. Russia hasn't even targeted the leadership which they easily could, like US and Israel have done in Iran. I don't pretend to know everything that happens there, these are just my impressions so far 8)
Russia has given everything it has and it still can't claim Ukraine as its own. Putin just said he considers Ukraine to be Russia already. They tried to take Kyiv so what's that about sovereignty? And many tens of thousands of "liberated" Ukrainians in Mariupol and other places.No it hasn't
Say what you want about Russias Military but we all can agree on one thing
US MILITARY is TOP NOTCH
US MILITARY DELIVERS
US MILITARY = Most Efficient in The World!
= brilliant Israeli control of the US
No it hasn't
No it hasn't
Russia has given everything it has and it still can't claim Ukraine as its own. Putin just said he considers Ukraine to be Russia already. They tried to take Kyiv so what's that about sovereignty? And many tens of thousands of "liberated" Ukrainians in Mariupol and other places.
Russia can’t do anything “easily” militarily. You think they want to be mired in a war of attrition with Ukraine? If they could’ve destroyed Ukraine, or taken out its leadership, they would have. Have you seen the videos of Russian soldiers going to the front on personal motorcycles? Russia’s soldiers have low morale and are ill-equipped. Russia has nuclear weapons and that’s about it.
4000 destroyed tanks and 250 000 dead Russians later.
Over 1 million Ukrainians dead.
Some claim Russian losses as over 1 million as well.
Whatever the losses, they're more than the US deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan combined!
Over 1 million Ukrainians dead.
Looking back, the rhetoric that paved the way for that invasion seems unsettlingly familiar. The US, along with the United Kingdom, tried to convince the world that Iraq had WMDs as the war progressed.
How well can you tell the difference? Read these 10 statements and decide: were they made in the lead-up to the 2003 war or in 2025?
Guys on this thread are saying regime change isn't the goal. But now the Israelis are themselves confirming the focus has shifted and regime change is on the agenda. Who would have guessed :D
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So what's you explanation for Trump's post about regime change? ;) Yeah I know he bullshits and misdirects all the time, 5D chess baby!
What Trump wants and what he's told needs to happen are not the same things.
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D
on this occasion donald is Bens boi
Some claim Russian losses as over 1 million as well.
Whatever the losses, they're more than the US deaths in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1 and 2, and Afghanistan combined!
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D
Probably Netanyahu or Big Ron Avidanhu
CNN: "The US military strikes on three of Iran’s nuclear facilities last weekend did not destroy the core components of the country’s nuclear program and likely only set it back by months, according to an early US intelligence assessment that was described by seven people briefed on it.
The assessment, which has not been previously reported, was produced by the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon’s intelligence arm. It is based on a battle damage assessment conducted by US Central Command in the aftermath of the US strikes, one of the sources said.Two of the people familiar with the assessment said Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was not destroyed. One of the people said the centrifuges are largely “intact.” Another source said that the intelligence assessed enriched uranium was moved out of the sites prior to the US strikes.
“So the (DIA) assessment is that the US set them back maybe a few months, tops,” this person added."
^^^ Even if they get or have a nuke can they actually deliver it? The latest set of bombings only landed less than 5%.
This is part of why I don't think the US needs to worry about an Iranian nuke. If Iran gets a nuke, it is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Europe. If they're so crazy and going to nuke everyone it forces other people to watch over the Iranian nuclear program. It doesn't have to be our problem. It should be their problem long before it becomes our problem.
^^^ Even if they get or have a nuke can they actually deliver it? The latest set of bombings only landed less than 5%.
Someone who absolutely detests the evil Bibi said he's an extremely competent politician whereas Trump's nowhere near that level. Obviously Bibi finally got what he's wanted for decades and got a US President to bomb Iran. Then he kissed Trump's ass afterwards to flatter him. I imagine Bibi isn't happy if the US withdraws from further attacking Iran, though I think here they absolutely needed a breather since it's been reported Israel only had defensive missiles for a few more days. But it's far from over for Israel* Nor for the US; both will absolutely demand Iran hand over all their uranium. If you looked at the news today it says some US intelligence agencies estimated the nuclear program is still there, probably only set back a few months, the bombing failed to reach its objective. I think Trump blocked a briefing about it for some congress members.
Further, former Russian President Medvedev claims Iran has now been offered nuclear warheads from several states! One of which was North Korea. So the world security situation is now far worse.
Israel will do much more fighting in the future, not just in Iran.
*Greater Israel
Are you saying Trump isn't really in control? Who is really pulling the levers? :D
Israel. What do you think the Epstein situation was all about? Gathering kompromat on politicians, in order to ensure they serve the interests of Israel.
This is part of why I don't think the US needs to worry about an Iranian nuke. If Iran gets a nuke, it is a much bigger problem for Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Europe. If they're so crazy and going to nuke everyone it forces other people to watch over the Iranian nuclear program. It doesn't have to be our problem. It should be their problem long before it becomes our problem.
The USA only gets involved when it suits their needs.Sounds like your country might be next for a "regime change" if you keep talking like that. :D
they´re not " Captain America " saving the free world...let´s not be fooled here.
The USA only gets involved when it suits their needs.
they´re not " Captain America " saving the free world...let´s not be fooled here.
The supposed weapons of mass destruction situation in Iraq almost certainly would have not arisen if it were not for the massive support the US gave Iraq when it (Iraq) invaded Iran in 1980
Sounds like your country might be next for a "regime change" if you keep talking like that. :DThe UK definitely needs a big change 😄 but as far as Germany goes Trump won't have any problems with Merz ( the Blackrock man ) his tongue is firmly in Donald's cheeks 🤣
FedEx or UPS.That is thinking outside the box. Foreign governments should hire you as a consultant IroNat.
So what's you explanation for Trump's post about regime change? ;) Yeah I know he bullshits and misdirects all the time, 5D chess baby!
So what's you explanation for Trump's post saying he doesn't want a regime change? ;)trump acts like a woman always being dramatic and changing his mind every time he farts. He is quickly fizzling out and looks to be a lame duck sadly.
trump acts like a woman always being dramatic and changing his mind every time he farts. He is quickly fizzling out and looks to be a lame duck sadly.
What Trump wants and what he's told needs to happen are not the same things.
trump acts like a woman always being dramatic and changing his mind every time he farts. He is quickly fizzling out and looks to be a lame duck sadly.
So what's you explanation for Trump's post saying he doesn't want a regime change? ;)
Well what Methyl m1ke said. The guy can change his mind in the middle of a sentence. Does he even know himself what he wants to do, I doubt it. I know what he wants, to WIN, and the strategy and goal changes in seconds. He is obsessed with praise and accolades, he demands a Nobel Peace Prize a minute after declaring a ceasefire (let's not forget him aiding a new holocaust, that can never be forgotten and probably can never be forgiven, maybe God can).
Unfortunately Israel clamped down hard with censorship on all media so we can't assess how much damage Israel took, but it has to be considerable or they would have proudly show how ineffective Iran's missiles were, like they did when Iran launched that missile and drone barrage earlier. I'd like to know how much damage particularly Israel's ports took. Both sides are now sure to be re-arming and planning frenetically. We don't know how much help is coming from China and Russia. During all this, Gaza was forgotten, tons of people at the food delivery sites, women and children were massacred, I think someone said 100 people the other day. Netanyahu cried about when that evacuated hospital took a bit of unintended damage, he said this is where children usually slept! That is rich when at the same time they are intentionally targeting defenseless women and children in Gaza :(
I'm not a "fan" of Islam or arabs or whatever but it's usually agreed that intentionally targeting children is always wrong and evil. You don't have to be a muslim apologist to think that. With US supplied weapons, and Trump wants a Nobel Peace Price. That's rich ::)
Iran’s supreme leader warns against further American attacks in his first statement since ceasefireThe guy has more balls than brains.
Khamenei spoke in a recorded video broadcast on Iranian state television, his first appearance since June 19. The 86-year-old looked and sounded more tired than he did only a week ago, speaking in a hoarse voice and occasionally stumbling over his words.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-supreme-leader-ali-khamenei-102534072.html
Dude finally emerges in the open from hiding in his nursing home bunker. The ceasefire must be real then, at least for now. Libtards are fuming.
Iran’s supreme leader warns against further American attacks in his first statement since ceasefire
Khamenei spoke in a recorded video broadcast on Iranian state television, his first appearance since June 19. The 86-year-old looked and sounded more tired than he did only a week ago, speaking in a hoarse voice and occasionally stumbling over his words.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-supreme-leader-ali-khamenei-102534072.html
Dude finally emerges in the open from hiding in his nursing home bunker. The ceasefire must be real then, at least for now. Libtards are fuming.
When a country has a 'Supreme Leader' you already know it's a complete shithole :-\
I know one other guy who wants to be 'Supreme Leader' with freedom to make unilateral decisions and his constituents agree.