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Title: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 09:49:04 PM
primobolana if legit is one of the biggest anabolic agents you can ever find,, along with hgh and trenbolona it transfer you into a very eficitn muscle machine,, tight large thick and dense ,, sharpness and actual lean muscle growth development from the inside of the muscle with no water retention on the outside what so ever


now! the trick with primobolana that no one will tell you ,, and this is a main trick of lay nortom and rest of the fake natural gang is as folow,,

they use PRIMOBOLANA ACATATO! NOT DEPOT NOT LONG ESTER BUT SHORT ESTER THAT LAST 1-2 DAYS,, they use an injectable version of the tablet from the past those old tablet from turky ,, this ! is what caused s quick and efective muscle growth and from the inside out while tightening the bodybuild up and sharpening him getting detail out ,, ofcourse water is also dependent of hgh ...and testosterona and anadrola and many otheer anabolic steroid,, but! when it come to primobolana ACATATO ! this is the main secret of fake natural along with trenbolona acatato

the changed with primbolona short ester are very fast,, it cause female to actualy look like bodybuild,, it make them tight hard and increase muscle diameter all same time ,, same with male bodybuild

we use alot of primobolna acatato ,, between 600 to 1500 mg a week and it deliver amazing amazing  result when go with trenbolona and hgh but also by itself IF LEGIT

the legitimcay of the product primobolana is alway sin question this is why i only recomend top chefs thaty i approved before for purchasing this from ,, you do not just buy it for 40 dolaros doesnt work this way ,, it is the magic aas in a bottle


primobolana is only second to trenbolona and! it is magic in a bottle same as hgh

it need to be done right ,, 200 mg every 2 day or 200 mg every day ,, then you see very quick how head get small and body gets large and incharge ,, ofcourse together with human growth hormone  you become top amatuer super fast


1000 mg of legit primobolana acatato

15 iu of legit gh

200 mg of legit testosterona

500-1000 mg of trenbolona

and few more products create MANY MANY TOP AMATUERS YOU SEE IN THE PAST AND ALSO NOW DAY ,, THE PROBLEM AS ALWYS NOW DAY IS WITH INSULINA ABUSE


gh15 approved/bible indx


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: diamondcut on February 01, 2012, 10:03:24 PM
where is the equipona


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 01, 2012, 10:03:40 PM
How about the Primobolan Acetate tablets, are they worth using?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Brocty on February 01, 2012, 10:05:08 PM
that lil combo looks killer

Primo ace, tren ace daily 1000mgs a week of each, and a squirt of test for good measures.  

Just dont see primo ace pop up everday from quality chef


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: prophecy on February 01, 2012, 10:07:32 PM
can you run primo + gh with no test?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 01, 2012, 10:08:15 PM
Anyone know an approved source that has Primo Ace inject please PM ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 10:10:45 PM
wait until website on ,, god willing ,, i will clean this cult to the core,, only the good will survive,, i am done with leting fellas be robed ,, raped,, im done with havgin fellas crying to me in pms ,, i am done with hearing storys from parents,, i am done with this,, since it is computer and you cant actualy prove a damn thing ....i decided to do it on website located on global server,, i estimate the number of peopel who wil vist gh15 website when it come out....and trust me we are fighting very big fellas in the hirarcy ,, but when gh15 website come out.... thenumber of fellas who visit it wil be in the millions

im putting it all out,, every little secret,, discusion about narcotics,, discusion about insulina,, discusion about excuses and the real reasons behind them ,, discusions about how bodybuild think and in what terms,, discusion about fake natural of the month or of the week it wil depend how much time i have,, my top elfs will have their own say and articles they will put out,, im bring down the fucking house becuase some fellas pisses me off,, i warned to not fucking piss me off,, i WARNED THIS,, i am known as compassion heart god ,, but i am furious for the lies and hte big lies say about someone who steped on mount olymous and hands on done it on himself for many many years,, im a walking fucking pharmacy

so! the website will talk about how it realy is in bodybuild ,, it wil be detailed ,, and it will put out the bad and PRAISE the good

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 10:11:30 PM
can you run primo + gh with no test?

all you need is 150mg testosterona a week and you can grow into top amatuer competitor

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 01, 2012, 10:28:47 PM
this is getting stupid...


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 01, 2012, 10:33:26 PM
this is getting stupid...

You really have nothing better to do ::)


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 01, 2012, 10:36:15 PM
You really have nothing better to do ::)
silence you peasant


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 01, 2012, 10:38:16 PM
silence you peasant

No


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: JAM on February 01, 2012, 10:39:11 PM
primobolana if legit is one of the biggest anabolic agents you can ever find,,
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gh15 approved/bible indx



GH15,

I have been natural so far (35 years old) and primo always interested me.  Does legit pharam grade primo (schering) still exist?  REAL primo tabs and depot injects?  Or is UGL's the only way to get primo now?   ???

I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schering-Plough (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schering-Plough) that indicates Schering is a subsidiary of Merk.  So wasn't sure if this amazing compound is still made by them.

Also everything I have ever read about primo indicates it is one of the few AAS that does not effect HDL/LDL cholesterol levels.  Is this really true?  



 


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 01, 2012, 10:40:24 PM


GH15,

I have been natural so far (35 years old) and primo always interested me.  Does legit pharam grade primo (schering) still exist?  REAL primo tabs and depot injects?  Or is UGL's the only way to get primo now?   ???

Also everything I have ever read about primo indicates it is one of the few AAS that does not effect HDL/LDL cholesterol levels.  Is this really true?  


dont bother, its too late for you


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 10:43:22 PM


GH15,

I have been natural so far (35 years old) and primo always interested me.  Does legit pharam grade primo (schering) still exist?  REAL primo tabs and depot injects?  Or is UGL's the only way to get primo now?   ???

Also everything I have ever read about primo indicates it is one of the few AAS that does not effect HDL/LDL cholesterol levels.  Is this really true?  




yes it does,, but what you wnt is big doses and you wwnt the acatato form for big doses to be afordable you want 600-100 mg of primobolana legit! ,, top chef only ,, i do not approve primobolan depot from schering simply because you wont be able to afford how much needeed financialy ,, the acatato is as good it actualy is better ,,when i say i dotn approve primobolan depot from schering it means too many fake around and not financialy good for the bodybuild,,with acatato from top chef you wil get to where you want to get,,

any serious bodybuild now days have a top chef working with him ,, many are sponsored and top chef help them ,, thats the reality ,, its all china and then some pharma grade but 20-30% pharma grade rest is china

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: prophecy on February 01, 2012, 10:51:45 PM
what top chefs have legit primo ace?
s@ndr@'S isnt ace and peepee's primo i heard was not legit  ???


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: JAM on February 01, 2012, 10:52:59 PM

yes it does,, but what you wnt is big doses and you wwnt the acatato form for big doses to be afordable you want 600-100 mg of primobolana legit! ,, top chef only ,, i do not approve primobolan depot from schering simply because you wont be able to afford how much needeed financialy ,, the acatato is as good it actualy is better ,,when i say i dotn approve primobolan depot from schering it means too many fake around and not financialy good for the bodybuild,,with acatato from top chef you wil get to where you want to get,,

any serious bodybuild now days have a top chef working with him ,, many are sponsored and top chef help them ,, thats the reality ,, its all china and then some pharma grade but 20-30% pharma grade rest is china

gh15 approved


Thanks boss!  I was afraid of the fact that too many counterfeits for real pharma and as a result ... UGL would be the only option.  Any particular UGL that is GH15 approved for Primo?  What about the tabs?  Could those be used alongside injects? 

Makes me sad that real primo may have too much counterfeit and the only option may be UGL.  Especially when China is mentioned.  I don't trust them to make a gallon of safe paint let alone hormones!  LOL 

PS.  What about living in Turkey, are there counterfeits there too considering it is legal there?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: hangclean on February 01, 2012, 10:58:53 PM
methenolone acetate is great shit if it's real.  It's also expensive as fuck.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 11:04:24 PM
methenolone acetate is great shit if it's real.  It's also expensive as fuck.

you hear what this fella say? ^^

the acetato version is what we all use ,, try go 1000 mg primobolana acatato,, 500-1000 mg trenbolona acatato,, gh 15 iu ....with little testosterona ...see what happen to your body ,,, you only then understand the allllll fitness and bodybuild illusion sold to you on magazines

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Max B on February 01, 2012, 11:06:57 PM
What about topchef equipona?? Dont forget about good old equipona lol


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: irishdave on February 01, 2012, 11:09:28 PM
all you need is 150mg testosterona a week and you can grow into top amatuer competitor

gh15 approved


wtf? this little test? Right now I'm running tren for the first time at 50mg/ed with 100mg prop/ed...so if I subbed legit primo for the prop, I could reduce my test a minimal amount like that? About to up my dose to 10iu Thanks as well


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: hangclean on February 01, 2012, 11:09:55 PM
What about topchef equipona?? Dont forget about good old equipona lol
use both.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: goomba420 on February 01, 2012, 11:10:39 PM
Here we go! The next phase of gh15's source pimping has begun - primobolan! How surprising it is also the most expensive steroid :P :-X :D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 11:15:36 PM
Here we go! The next phase of gh15's source pimping has begun - primobolan!

explain why you think its source pimp?  do i mention sourcing?

im here for opening eyes of bodybuild to whats going on ,,do you jknow i have fellas name their first born on me i have actual pms,, do you understand this people see what i do as blessing and chrish it? this is not sourcing push this is truth push ,, I CUT their road to the top by half sometimes by 70%

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: theheman on February 01, 2012, 11:18:25 PM
Yes!  This is the top notch advice we've all been waiting for from Gh15.  Thanks for the valuable insight.  We, I think I can speak for 1,000s of people that will read this, appreciate it.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 11:23:24 PM
i hopw you fellas understand that all this information i could keep for website,,i could just shut up about primobolana ,, i could say and movbe the time by saying nothing ,, i could just hav efun like everyone else,, THIS SHOW YOU I HAVE NO AGENDA,, i dont wait for no site,, i put it all here,, its because i know someone put price on my life ,, im very protected by the highest powers but someone already put a price on my life,, and i want evry bodybuild to have the information i give as fast as possible and not have to wait,,

when i say russian mafia is fighting top elfs of mine over in east europe i MEAN IT ,, they have big things going there now over gh15 becaue they move stocks ,, they move bunk stock and they need it sold!,, they dont care to fuck amwricanos and europians ,, they want it moved,, so now my top elfs 4  of them in eastern europe are in basicaly a fucking war

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: delta9mda on February 01, 2012, 11:27:30 PM
but i thought masteron(a) was the real key to stack with gh and tren? now you are flip flopping to another compound?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 01, 2012, 11:29:13 PM
masterona is highly importent as ANTI ESTROGENIC ,, this is all you need if you know hwo to use it ,, masterona itself do not add your the lean muscle ,, it is sharpening an already muscular physiqe that is in the singles....it put a cup on the estrogen just enouhg to bring out the best in the physiqe,,

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Fitness4Life on February 01, 2012, 11:42:54 PM
thanks gh15 for taking me and your pupils back to school with a new lesson.  Is pp's primo legit, they only have the tabs however I believe.


it's funny how all over the internet primo is explained as mild, and less important compared to other aas.  However, a fella, with pro size and conditioning once raved about gh and primo, everything else was secondary.  I always thought he was pulling my leg, then the bible explained hgh importance, now you talk about primo in such high regard.  It all makes sense now, btw, this pro size fella lifted like a pussy lol, all drugs  :D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 01, 2012, 11:47:57 PM
masterona is highly importent as ANTI ESTROGENIC ,, this is all you need if you know hwo to use it ,, masterona itself do not add your the lean muscle ,, it is sharpening an already muscular physiqe that is in the singles....it put a cup on the estrogen just enouhg to bring out the best in the physiqe,,

gh15 approved
are you trying to say that if you are 12% and you use masteron you wont see a difference ?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: aesthetics on February 02, 2012, 12:03:09 AM
are you trying to say that if you are 12% and you use masteron you wont see a difference ?

all hormones work better the leaner person gets. less water in skin and more water in muscle, giving look of fuller and rounder muscles.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 01:00:38 AM
are you trying to say that if you are 12% and you use masteron you wont see a difference ?

no, you wont.

nice of 'aesthetics' to chime in and not answer the question you posed in a effort to look like hes knows what hes talking about regardless.

you'll want to be about 6% to really see what it does. anything over that and its a waste as a hardener.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: chess315 on February 02, 2012, 01:03:07 AM
as good as primo may be it just makes no sense imo to pay 30-60$ a week for the shit unless your filthy rich. Hell at a gram a week you could have ran 7 ius of gh


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 01:03:51 AM
The demand for primobolona acetato chefs has just skyrocketed. A career with future is top chef.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 01:04:09 AM
all hormones work better the leaner person gets. less water in skin and more water in muscle, giving look of fuller and rounder muscles.

right, so the leaner you get the more water the muscle holds.

 ::)

just stick to repeating what you hear GH15 saying. that way you can save yourself some embarassment for repeating what someone wrote you read on a board somewhere that was wrong.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: ChevChelios on February 02, 2012, 01:12:39 AM
No you idiot,the leaner you are the less fat,less aromatization,less water retention,if you are 6% you will tend to hold more water in the muscle than sub-q. ::)


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: whitewidow on February 02, 2012, 01:22:50 AM
EM's AP primo amps are 200% legit. hell even the original british dragons primo was legit and high quality tested out perfect 99mg when labelled at 100mg. I dont think that many chefs make primo due to the demand not to high! Stranger does not make primo unless he just started making it recently. Gh15 is right to many bunk chering amps mostly it is Test prop! I am not trying to push a line but EM's AP primo amps are 200% legit authentic primo. but it is enathate. The original British dragon that GH15 hated so much actually had legit high quality primo. love them or hate them the original britsh dragon was the biggest UGL ever! even ret pushed BD


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 02, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
no, you wont.

nice of 'aesthetics' to chime in and not answer the question you posed in a effort to look like hes knows what hes talking about regardless.

you'll want to be about 6% to really see what it does. anything over that and its a waste as a hardener.
;D haha thank you


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 01:36:10 AM
EM's AP primo amps are 200% legit. hell even the original british dragons primo was legit and high quality tested out perfect 99mg when labelled at 100mg. I dont think that many chefs make primo due to the demand not to high! Stranger does not make primo unless he just started making it recently. Gh15 is right to many bunk chering amps mostly it is Test prop! I am not trying to push a line but EM's AP primo amps are 200% legit authentic primo. but it is enathate. The original British dragon that GH15 hated so much actually had legit high quality primo. love them or hate them the original britsh dragon was the biggest UGL ever! even ret pushed BD

i try many alpha pharma along years ,, it ws under dose then got on track but over all nothing even remotley close to strngo or alpha labs! level of quality as in purity of power,, and ....strngo doesnt do primobolana for you! thats true ,,

gh15 approved



Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 02, 2012, 01:39:53 AM
i try many alpha pharma along years ,, it ws under dose then got on track but over all nothing even remotley close to strngo or alpha labs! level of quality as in purity of power,, and ....strngo doesnt do primobolana for you! thats true ,,

gh15 approved


whats your opinion of canadian ugl's    ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 01:42:58 AM
this is 4th specialty ,, you ran him off the steroid boarding,, he could have help you fellas

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: falco on February 02, 2012, 02:19:03 AM
I have tried schering primo before at low dose and i can say it's a wonderfull drug if you are already lean.
But doesn't compare to tren ace. 300mg primo is nowhere as potent as 300mg of tren.
But primo doesn't make your dick soft for months like tren does if dostinex is out of the game ;D
Around here 100mg of primo costs as much as 100mg of tren, so it's always a tuff choice.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 02:22:16 AM
a bodybuiild has to be lean ,, if you dont sit 10% or unyder you are not lean even 10% is not exactly lean its the beggiining of being lean ....the first stage....it is lean for general public but for bodybuild it is only the beggining of being lean

 

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 02:55:43 AM
whats your opinion of canadian ugl's    ;D

what ones. this is my area of expertise.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: falco on February 02, 2012, 03:02:22 AM
a bodybuiild has to be lean ,, if you dont sit 10% or unyder you are not lean even 10% is not exactly lean its the beggiining of being lean ....the first stage....it is lean for general public but for bodybuild it is only the beggining of being lean

 

gh15 approved
X2.
A puffed up moon face test sponge fat fuck won't benefit much from primo.
If i had the money it would be always a hgh/primo combo.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: DBX on February 02, 2012, 03:03:15 AM
what ones. this is my area of expertise.
teragon,syrus,innovagen


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: whitewidow on February 02, 2012, 03:22:35 AM
AESTHETICS IS RIGHT THE LEANER YOU ARE THE MORE YOU SEE WHAT MASTERON REALLY DOES!  why not just use proviron for the anti estrogen effect when you are at a higher BF% I was always taught to use masteron when you are 6% BF till you get to 4% and keep using till the day of the show. masteron is magic in a vial or amp but you can really notice the magic of masteron when you are very lean like 6% and under! not saying 10-12% guys cant use it but prviron is a better choice for them save the masteron for when you are 6% and under and watch the striations come out everywhere and the hardening effect of the drug as well as it keeps you strong when you are on a very strict diet. very important drug to use up till showtime or if you are just trying to get as ripped as possible! You will never trully see the magic of masteron unless you are 6% or under. keeps you nice and strong during the grueling diet days.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 03:28:30 AM
teragon,syrus,innovagen

teragon i'd stay away from- . innovagen is good product, if its still around. havent seen it in about 8 months, but only cause i havent been looking for it. their 450 is nice. their orals are top shelf too, esp the 25mg anadrol. have never had a bad batch, or have heard anything negative from guys i know who are very experienced. you're from out west i take it?

syrus i have no experience with, nor do i know anyone who has run it. atlas pharmaceuticals is good product as well for the price point. had a batch of 400 out recently causing extreme discomfort and their orals have been less than phenomenal but apparently they've remedied that. those are the only two knocks i've ever heard on them from guys i know and trust. all that being said tho i would recommend them, based on my own personal experience and that of others.

theres a shit ton of other labs springing up all the time. they tend to be more localised. its a dice roll with them. you dont know if they are bringing in powder and cooking it here, under what conditions, or buying it from an online cook and re-bottling it. imo stick to what guys you know recommend that know what they are talking about, not what you read online cause the majority of the time its a 18 year old kid who doesnt end up on the cover of flex magasine after one run that thinks his 'shit might be fake, bro'.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: no one on February 02, 2012, 03:32:26 AM
AESTHETICS IS RIGHT THE LEANER YOU ARE THE MORE YOU SEE WHAT MASTERON REALLY DOES!  why not just use proviron for the anti estrogen effect when you are at a higher BF% I was always taught to use masteron when you are 6% BF till you get to 4% and keep using till the day of the show. masteron is magic in a vial or amp but you can really notice the magic of masteron when you are very lean like 6% and under! not saying 10-12% guys cant use it but prviron is a better choice for them save the masteron for when you are 6% and under and watch the striations come out everywhere and the hardening effect of the drug as well as it keeps you strong when you are on a very strict diet. very important drug to use up till showtime or if you are just trying to get as ripped as possible! You will never trully see the magic of masteron unless you are 6% or under. keeps you nice and strong during the grueling diet days.

wow! great post! or you could have just said


no, you wont.

you'll want to be about 6% to really see what it does. anything over that and its a waste as a hardener.

 ::)

the fuck is it with this place and everyone needing to sound like they are the man lately?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: wes on February 02, 2012, 03:49:26 AM
wow! great post! or you could have just said

 ::)

the fuck is it with this place and everyone needing to sound like they are the man lately?
Everybody`s an expert on the internet!


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 02, 2012, 04:49:05 AM
explain why you think its source pimp?  do i mention sourcing?

im here for opening eyes of bodybuild to whats going on ,,do you jknow i have fellas name their first born on me i have actual pms,, do you understand this people see what i do as blessing and chrish it? this is not sourcing push this is truth push ,, I CUT their road to the top by half sometimes by 70%

gh15 approved
primobolan is the best steroid out there hands down!
there was a thread about it a month ago or something...and people were calling primo weak... lol....
for me it even beats tren, because tren gives me sides.... but that is personal though...
primo gives me no sides at all except lean muscle... and i get full as hell on it!! it's great!!
also i feel great... combine it with hgh and you will be walking on air... lol!it was years ago that i used it though, god i miss it!


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: wes on February 02, 2012, 04:50:20 AM
PRIMOBOLIN = THE DRUG OF THE MONTH !!  ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: ChevChelios on February 02, 2012, 05:30:43 AM
First it was deca
Then equipona
anadrola,dianabola
Trenbolona acetato
looong live HGH
then primbolona acatato.

 8) Wonder what's next,halotestine  :D ?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: jon cole on February 02, 2012, 05:56:47 AM
First it was deca
Then equipona
anadrola,dianabola
Trenbolona acetato
looong live HGH
then primbolona acatato.

 8) Wonder what's next,halotestine  :D ?


exact,,,,


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Zé galinha on February 02, 2012, 06:03:59 AM
thanks for information gh15.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: makaveli25 on February 02, 2012, 06:18:02 AM
What if you can't get acetate. Is the longer ester primo okay?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: falco on February 02, 2012, 06:22:28 AM
I guess ALL DRUGS are great to GH15 except for test and slin.


primobolan is the best steroid out there hands down!
there was a thread about it a month ago or something...and people were calling primo weak... lol....
for me it even beats tren, because tren gives me sides.... but that is personal though...
primo gives me no sides at all except lean muscle... and i get full as hell on it!! it's great!!
also i feel great... combine it with hgh and you will be walking on air... lol!it was years ago that i used it though, god i miss it!


People call primobolana weak because it doesn't holds water so you only get lean muscle.
When i used it i can't say it makes muscles full, at least not like test.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: BiGHer on February 02, 2012, 06:40:01 AM
primobolan is the best steroid out there hands down!
there was a thread about it a month ago or something...and people were calling primo weak... lol....
for me it even beats tren, because tren gives me sides.... but that is personal though...
primo gives me no sides at all except lean muscle... and i get full as hell on it!! it's great!!
also i feel great... combine it with hgh and you will be walking on air... lol!it was years ago that i used it though, god i miss it!


I started a thread about it a month or maybe a couple of months back.  I think you actually chimed in on there Optimus.

I agree.  I've been running 600 mg Primo Acetate/week for 3 weeks now and it is a quality anabolic and from what I hear, it's effects can increase dramatically at higher doses than what I'm using.  I agree with gh15, it's no Tren, but Primo is a builder of quality muscle.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 02, 2012, 06:52:09 AM
I started a thread about it a month or maybe a couple of months back.  I think you actually chimed in on there Optimus.

I agree.  I've been running 600 mg Primo Acetate/week for 3 weeks now and it is a quality anabolic and from what I hear, it's effects can increase dramatically at higher doses than what I'm using.  I agree with gh15, it's no Tren, but Primo is a builder of quality muscle.

You have Primo Acetate injectable?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: dustin on February 02, 2012, 07:25:38 AM
I've run some good primo and it feels like you're natural, but on steroids at the same time. Does that make sense? No sides at all. You feel light and good. But you're full, round and thick.

My only challenge was that I was running enanthate and it was only 100mg per ml. I've tried higher concentrations but I think it was probably just test enth and maybe some prop in their. I can imagine primo acetate being a nice steroid. I think I do have access to it from a good underground chef so maybe I'll order that in my next order as I've pretty much cut the test out completely.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Growth NOOB on February 02, 2012, 09:32:20 AM
what top chefs have legit primo ace?
s@ndr@'S isnt ace and peepee's primo i heard was not legit  ???


Where did you hear that bro?


That's a pretty big accusation.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: nahb on February 02, 2012, 10:05:23 AM
yea id like that know that aswell ^^ all of his shit has been nothing but good to me


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: AlphaMaleDawg on February 02, 2012, 10:12:37 AM
masterona is highly importent as ANTI ESTROGENIC ,, this is all you need if you know hwo to use it ,, masterona itself do not add your the lean muscle ,, it is sharpening an already muscular physiqe that is in the singles....it put a cup on the estrogen just enouhg to bring out the best in the physiqe,,

gh15 approved

what is the main difference between masteron, equipoise, and primobolan? They all seem to provide very similar purposes overall. Well masteron maybe not as good muscle building as the other two but seems to be similar in terms of that "look" it gives. I've never used any of these three things personally so I don't know


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Voland on February 02, 2012, 10:18:46 AM
My summer may stack will be 1g primo 1g masteron 1g Eq and 10-15iu's gh. No test.
Pineapple as diuretic  ;)


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: dustin on February 02, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
what is the main difference between masteron, equipoise, and primobolan? They all seem to provide very similar purposes overall. Well masteron maybe not as good muscle building as the other two but seems to be similar in terms of that "look" it gives. I've never used any of these three things personally so I don't know

They're all very different in literature and work differently in real life too. I don't know what you want him to break down exactly?

They're all awesome steroids and if you get it from a good cook/lab you're in for a treat. I'm running 50/50mg of tren ace and masteron EOD along with 300mg of EQ all pinned EOD. Was running a bit of test but dropped it for the EQ and I'm leaner and have more rounded muscle. I'm already really vascular so I noticed no difference there, but my endurance is a lot better than it should be for being a lazy fuck in the last month and hardly training at all.

I found 200mg/ml primo from my source so although it's enanthate, I might run that when I'm cruising with my training. If he brings in acetate maybe I'll give that a shot. So many choices but they all work pretty well if you know your body.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: g101 on February 02, 2012, 10:20:32 AM
You have Primo Acetate injectable?

some sources carry Primo ace or do it under special request for the client.. depends


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: pitbulltank on February 02, 2012, 10:32:06 AM
gh15- if i was following your principles and was using the eq at 900mg/week...along w trenA, test, and mast...what would you replace with the primo? the eq?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: local hero on February 02, 2012, 10:32:43 AM
First it was deca
Then equipona
anadrola,dianabola
Trenbolona acetato
looong live HGH
then primbolona acatato.

 8) Wonder what's next,halotestine  :D ?

nah before that it was 1amp sus ed
no muscle without thai pink dbol.....   just saying!


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 10:48:55 AM
nah before that it was 1amp sus ed
no muscle without thai pink dbol.....   just saying!

every truth take time to penetrate a sick and tewisted cult,, you saw one of gh15 website comerical ,, sick and twisted cult,, gh15 had to grow on it ,, the truth had to grow on it ,, you cant immidiatly throw everything in on fellas who were posioned for so many years been abused and raped multiple times each one!

im a genious ,, you will learn it with the years,, im narcestistic,, but i am a genious

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gee38 on February 02, 2012, 10:55:11 AM
-stage one- rep the drug positively

stage two- have elfs say how good it is

stage three- first batch good

stage four- rest is shite

stage five- say its down to the people who make it they will pay

stage six- intro drug

stage seven - go back to stage one

repeat to fade

gh15 i like your posts but this is becoming a bit transparent now

will all those who ordered kigs on your say so get refunded- you do have the power after all eh?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 11:00:56 AM
notice,, another gimick!,, getbig is infatuated with penetration ,, this is their tactic to descredit gh15,, they all sit on computer al day long and build gimicks...they decided if you cant win against them ...JOIN them and fight from the inside!

i hope my pupils understand this

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
-stage one- rep the drug positively

stage two- have elfs say how good it is

stage three- first batch good

stage four- rest is shite

stage five- say its down to the people who make it they will pay

stage six- intro drug

stage seven - go back to stage one

repeat to fade

gh15 i like your posts but this is becoming a bit transparent now

will all those who ordered kigs on your say so get refunded- you do have the power after all eh?

as i said before,, who ever not geting refund let my elfs know and! the company is out of buesinns for good,, i dont like that company ,, they beg for second chance,,  money or legit product should be in yuro hand if not they will be executed for good

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gee38 on February 02, 2012, 11:05:19 AM
you can't say fairer than that. nice one pal.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: delta9mda on February 02, 2012, 11:12:08 AM
masterona is highly importent as ANTI ESTROGENIC ,, this is all you need if you know hwo to use it ,, masterona itself do not add your the lean muscle ,, it is sharpening an already muscular physiqe that is in the singles....it put a cup on the estrogen just enouhg to bring out the best in the physiqe,,

gh15 approved
you know i dont like you and you are a c u n t but..... thanks for the straight answer according to gh15 (yeah i said it).


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: JAM on February 02, 2012, 11:20:19 AM
notice,, another gimick!,, getbig is infatuated with penetration ,, this is their tactic to descredit gh15,, they all sit on computer al day long and build gimicks...they decided if you cant win against them ...JOIN them and fight from the inside!

i hope my pupils understand this

gh15 approved


No worries, we have lots of weirdo's on here.  I don't even use hormones (yet) and I get it.  To me you just seem to give advice on different AAS as to how to use it etc.  What is wrong with that?  Or so hard to understand?  I would think for anyone who wants to compete it would be helpful.  Then after you give the advice it is up to the person if they want to follow the advice, try it, or not do it at all. 


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 02, 2012, 11:44:49 AM

No worries, we have lots of weirdo's on here.  I don't even use hormones (yet) and I get it.  To me you just seem to give advice on different AAS as to how to use it etc.  What is wrong with that?  Or so hard to understand?  I would think for anyone who wants to compete it would be helpful.  Then after you give the advice it is up to the person if they want to follow the advice, try it, or not do it at all. 

i wish it was hthat simple,, its not,, many fella make money out of this innocence of goolible kidos and nto only kidos actuay grown adult innocent,, i can not stand for it anymore,, i can nto and will nto stand for it,, in this cult money is everything and thank god im a millioner ,, so i hav epower but! the question need to be asked is

WHY what i say which is THE ABSOLIT truth been so rebeled against  right now....until now it wasnt,, right now there is new fire,, why? because it is the damn truth ,, because only when you take 1000 mg primbolana ace together with anadrola and hgh you understand what bodybuild is all about,, you understand the filt companys who make money from your goolibe asses and sell you balonie products to their kids have clothes on their bodys while YOU YOU! need to put your dog to sleep because you dont hav emoney for the surgery the dog need! so you lose your best friend,, while they feed their kidos with some  nice japanese food that your poor dog payed with his life for and you helped to sponsor ,,

what did you get in return ? NOTHING,, what they got i nreturn ? they got anothe month of income and being the shady mother fuckers they are selling bunk and illusion suplements who dont work on anyone! to the public,,

i am done with this fellas,, this is what i say when i say gh15 change dhistory ,, you aint seen nothing yet,, and if blackman think he can interpat me i have news for him ,, ro anyone else for that mater

THE ALL FUCKING DEA OF AMERICANA GOVERMENT WILL SIT IN YOUR FUCKING LIVING ROOM

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: ChevChelios on February 02, 2012, 11:58:54 AM
hey gh15

give us a hint on the guys in the 70s 80s arnold and company were using...

how did aas buffet looked like?

was he using good old doses of dianabol+primobolona+ moderate test and top of that added cadaver hgh?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 02, 2012, 12:05:42 PM
what is the main difference between masteron, equipoise, and primobolan? They all seem to provide very similar purposes overall. Well masteron maybe not as good muscle building as the other two but seems to be similar in terms of that "look" it gives. I've never used any of these three things personally so I don't know
masterone/proviron = just for estrogen sides.... not for building any musce directly....
eq.... gives you lean muscle... but also very high redbloodcell count... in some people this gives bp problems.. not everybody though.. i myself am very sensitive to eq... why??? don't know.. lol... everybody is different i guess...
primo.. lean muscle, gets the muscle a full look!! not like test which is mostly water retention.... but the muscle itself gets a nice full and tight look! and you just feel great on primo....
i used them all..... primo wins hands down... only negatives = cost and availability.. now with ugl not so much ... but back in the day, lots of fakes.... the scherings i am talking about..
primo 1000 mg a week
test p 50 mg eod
oxy 150/300 mg a day
hgh 7-15 iu a day depending on your level of mass....
mini pro physique right there...


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: apply85 on February 02, 2012, 12:10:19 PM
i wish it was hthat simple,, its not,, many fella make money out of this innocence of goolible kidos and nto only kidos actuay grown adult innocent,, i can not stand for it anymore,, i can nto and will nto stand for it,, in this cult money is everything and thank god im a millioner ,, so i hav epower but! the question need to be asked is

WHY what i say which is THE ABSOLIT truth been so rebeled against  right now....until now it wasnt,, right now there is new fire,, why? because it is the damn truth ,, because only when you take 1000 mg primbolana ace together with anadrola and hgh you understand what bodybuild is all about,, you understand the filt companys who make money from your goolibe asses and sell you balonie products to their kids have clothes on their bodys while YOU YOU! need to put your dog to sleep because you dont hav emoney for the surgery the dog need! so you lose your best friend,, while they feed their kidos with some  nice japanese food that your poor dog payed with his life for and you helped to sponsor ,,

what did you get in return ? NOTHING,, what they got i nreturn ? they got anothe month of income and being the shady mother fuckers they are selling bunk and illusion suplements who dont work on anyone! to the public,,

i am done with this fellas,, this is what i say when i say gh15 change dhistory ,, you aint seen nothing yet,, and if blackman think he can interpat me i have news for him ,, ro anyone else for that mater

THE ALL FUCKING DEA OF AMERICANA GOVERMENT WILL SIT IN YOUR FUCKING LIVING ROOM

gh15 approved




there is a problem gh15, it's that kami is being scammed himself on a massive level, in fact there's a guy walking around huge and lean who almost got his aas sponsorship ruined by me behind the scenes, he doesn't know it, but i decided not to chase that issue because ruining a bodybuilder's career is too serious of a thing to do, even if that bber is a reverse scammer who i dont like and a liar

in this pursuit of muscle called the bodybuilding cult, everyone is trying to fuck each other because there's so little money to go around, it's sick.

actually i may still fuck that sumbitch, i like to keep myself entertained myself, in between writing emails to venture capitalists around the world and working on my first novel lol. all in between job interviews too. i love my life lol


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 02, 2012, 12:25:46 PM
i wish it was hthat simple,, its not,, many fella make money out of this innocence of goolible kidos and nto only kidos actuay grown adult innocent,, i can not stand for it anymore,, i can nto and will nto stand for it,, in this cult money is everything and thank god im a millioner ,, so i hav epower but! the question need to be asked is

WHY what i say which is THE ABSOLIT truth been so rebeled against  right now....until now it wasnt,, right now there is new fire,, why? because it is the damn truth ,, because only when you take 1000 mg primbolana ace together with anadrola and hgh you understand what bodybuild is all about,, you understand the filt companys who make money from your goolibe asses and sell you balonie products to their kids have clothes on their bodys while YOU YOU! need to put your dog to sleep because you dont hav emoney for the surgery the dog need! so you lose your best friend,, while they feed their kidos with some  nice japanese food that your poor dog payed with his life for and you helped to sponsor ,,

what did you get in return ? NOTHING,, what they got i nreturn ? they got anothe month of income and being the shady mother fuckers they are selling bunk and illusion suplements who dont work on anyone! to the public,,

i am done with this fellas,, this is what i say when i say gh15 change dhistory ,, you aint seen nothing yet,, and if blackman think he can interpat me i have news for him ,, ro anyone else for that mater

THE ALL FUCKING DEA OF AMERICANA GOVERMENT WILL SIT IN YOUR FUCKING LIVING ROOM

gh15 approved
also, nobody is being forced to listen to you .....
you give info... honest info.... people can try it and see were it gets them....
or they can not listen, and be stuck at mr localgym level for the rest of their lives...
and they funny part is:
you actually SAVE people money....!!!!
a cycle like this:
low test
eq 900 mg a week
tren ace 150mg eod
hgh 5-10 iu a day
will cost a bodybuilder what? , if the bodybuilder is smart and has some connections... 300 dollars a month
a cycle like this gets you into national level type of physique... if you stick to it ofcourse...
so about 300 dollars a month... when i was younger i spent a lot more then that a month on bullshit supps and to much food! lol!!
so the whole agenda thing is just a dumb ass theory.... some people just do not like the fact someone is finally telling the truth.....
they want the "secret" only to be known by a select elite few....
that will end now..... thank god!


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Thespritz0 on February 02, 2012, 12:59:35 PM
where is the equipona
^^
 ;D ;D Same place the DIANABOLA went to.... ;D ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 02, 2012, 01:04:08 PM
where is the equipona

Only one place it should be, injected into your glutes EOD, now get to it fella, time is muscle ;)


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: JAM on February 02, 2012, 01:32:34 PM
also, nobody is being forced to listen to you .....
you give info... honest info.... people can try it and see were it gets them....
or they can not listen, and be stuck at mr localgym level for the rest of their lives...
and they funny part is:
you actually SAVE people money....!!!!
a cycle like this:
low test
eq 900 mg a week
tren ace 150mg eod
hgh 5-10 iu a day
will cost a bodybuilder what? , if the bodybuilder is smart and has some connections... 300 dollars a month
a cycle like this gets you into national level type of physique... if you stick to it ofcourse...
so about 300 dollars a month... when i was younger i spent a lot more then that a month on bullshit supps and to much food! lol!!
so the whole agenda thing is just a dumb ass theory.... some people just do not like the fact someone is finally telling the truth.....
they want the "secret" only to be known by a select elite few....
that will end now..... thank god!



Exactly my point!   ;)  Then up to the person reading it if they want to listen, try, modify, say hell with it, etc.   8)


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: irishdave on February 02, 2012, 02:05:02 PM
edit: stupid post, deleting


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 02, 2012, 02:47:26 PM
^^
 ;D ;D Same place the DIANABOLA went to.... ;D ;D
people... gh15 pushes you into the right direction!!!
no ant e 's or ai offseason for estrogen control..... use masterone. or proviron for this, masterone being the better choice ofcourse...
steroids that produce results...
anadrol
liquid dbol
tne/test
eq
primo
tren
nandrolone
all at various different times depending on need... availability and personal choice....
all this in combination with hgh....
4iu for beginner... up to 30 plus for advanced pro... for the advanced ofcourse in combo with slin.... :'(
this is it....! he is giving you all you need to know to become the best you!!!

the time he saves people.. the money... the effort!!
gh15 should be nominated for nobel prize!
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: g101 on February 02, 2012, 02:49:56 PM
people... gh15 pushes you into the right direction!!!
no ant e 's or ai offseason for estrogen control..... use masterone. or proviron for this, masterone being the better choice ofcourse...
steroids that produce results...
anadrol
liquid dbol
tne/test
eq
primo
tren
nandrolone
all at various different times depending on need... availability and personal choice....
all this in combination with hgh....
4iu for beginner... up to 30 plus for advanced pro... for the advanced ofcourse in combo with slin.... :'(
this is it....! he is giving you all you need to know to become the best you!!!

the time he saves people.. the money... the effort!!
gh15 should be nominated for nobel prize!
 ;D ;D ;D



some people are too dumb to understand this unfortunately  :-\


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 02, 2012, 03:20:14 PM

some people are too dumb to understand this unfortunately  :-\
yess.... lots of, not so bright lights here... ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: csnut18 on February 02, 2012, 03:29:52 PM
i try many alpha pharma along years ,, it ws under dose then got on track but over all nothing even remotley close to strngo or alpha labs! level of quality as in purity of power,, and ....strngo doesnt do primobolana for you! thats true ,,

gh15 approved




He recently added Primobolana to his list. On a side note, other than Stranger and ALpha labs, are their any other top chefs you recommend who are doing Primo the way it should be? I am not asking for info on how to get in touch with those sources cause chances are I know how, but rather just who you recommend. The reason I ask is because even PeePee has been having his gear questioned recently on some boardingS. I am sure you have seen some of that on OLM.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 02, 2012, 03:53:45 PM

They're all awesome steroids and if you get it from a good cook/lab you're in for a treat. I'm running 50/50mg of tren ace and masteron EOD along with 300mg of EQ all pinned EOD. Was running a bit of test but dropped it for the EQ and I'm leaner and have more rounded muscle. I'm already really vascular so I noticed no difference there, but my endurance is a lot better than it should be for being a lazy fuck in the last month and hardly training at all.

How does the EQ compare to test for mood, libido, etc?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: csnut18 on February 02, 2012, 04:32:40 PM
Defiant has primo for a relatively affordable price. Is this a high quality primo?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: aesthetics on February 02, 2012, 04:34:03 PM
all the sources with good primo are private. maybe a couple international ones, i don't know but the ones with good primo that i know of are private.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on February 02, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
Trending tonight on Getbig..."primobolana"


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: prophecy on February 02, 2012, 04:52:40 PM

Where did you hear that bro?


That's a pretty big accusation.

i heard this from a few members here who are definitely reliable and established. i know i dont have that many post's but i wanted to try primo before and was asking around about it


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: apply85 on February 02, 2012, 04:54:10 PM
there is exactly one guy who says his primo is not primo, one guy out of hundreds of thousands who used it, you have to use your brain at some point


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: aesthetics on February 02, 2012, 05:00:14 PM

Where did you hear that bro?


That's a pretty big accusation.

on AB, someone (maybe more??) said P's primo was eq.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: apply85 on February 02, 2012, 05:05:20 PM
for god's sake get your shit straight this does not need to be repeated there was already a thread deleted over this shit, aesthetics you lying scum shut the fuk up and stop repeating the lies of shills


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: g101 on February 02, 2012, 08:04:32 PM
i heard this from a few members here who are definitely reliable and established. i know i dont have that many post's but i wanted to try primo before and was asking around about it

yeah... definitely reliable and established

while receiving 20 free GH kits...

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

use your fucking head. you trust no one in this bodybuilding cult

it's filled with thiefs and crooks who would sell their own family for GH and other hormones !


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: hematocritter on February 02, 2012, 08:10:34 PM
I love primo, my favorite AAS hands down.
I love it so much because of the lack of sides.
As someone already mentioned, it is like being on AAS without being on AAS.
I get slow, lean gains and a good fullness without any negative sides or
feeling like I am on something. I am very sensitive to the mental effects of
all AAS other than primo. It is one way I can tell the primo I get is legit. I run
almost a gram of it from time to time, and if it were anything else, I would have
gone nuts from anxiety or some other side.

I am currently running some deca and a little tren, I am getting a little tired of
being on and I am thinking of going off cycle (800mg primo :) )


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: local hero on February 03, 2012, 12:19:01 AM

No worries, we have lots of weirdo's on here.  I don't even use hormones (yet) and I get it.  To me you just seem to give advice on different AAS as to how to use it etc.  What is wrong with that?  Or so hard to understand?  I would think for anyone who wants to compete it would be helpful.  Then after you give the advice it is up to the person if they want to follow the advice, try it, or not do it at all. 


 ::)brown nose...... fucking noob c.unt


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: NineGeez on February 03, 2012, 12:24:02 AM

 ::)brown nose...... fucking noob c.unt

your iq is the same as the amount of men your mom was with before she was 15 - about 80,,


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: falco on February 03, 2012, 09:00:53 AM
I was reading the bible and in november the 8th 2006 it was said: "anadrol = a drug that i find no place for in bodybuilding because it was never meant for building muscle,,it is for treatment of anemia and the doses needed for major results are not worthy of the side effects,,mainly the appetite killing and the depressed mood"

and

"i put dianabol and deca as the best drugs ever for a bodybuilder is the ability of them both to put a massive amout of size/muscle on a frame while maintaining side effects to minimum. "

and

"trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.

trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.

now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate"

And in August 2006: "only human grade pharma drugs should be used. no! eq is NOT nandrolone decanoate. deca made for humans,,,eq made for horses. humans are not horses. eq will never! get you the muscle nandrolone puts on you and is made in condition not suited for humans. get legit human grade pharma drugs if you ever wanna get big. muscle big. eq is good when you already have the size and muscle on you and you try to improve your performence and over all condition. when aiming at adding/building mass on your frame there is no replacment for legit pharma human grade deca test and dianabol"

But lately it's all the way around.

Now anapolona/trenbologna/ganabolona is the shit and testosterona/nandrolona/dianabolona are non existant.

Even growth hormona was not talked about as beeing the holy graal of muscle mass

Now primobolana acetato but liquid of course is the hidden secret.

I dig you GH15 and your youtube videos are awsome but the bible is mutating. Today is one thing, tomorrow another.





Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Hurricane Beef ! on February 03, 2012, 09:27:07 AM
wait until website on ,, god willing ,, i will clean this cult to the core,, only the good will survive,, i am done with leting fellas be robed ,, raped,, im done with havgin fellas crying to me in pms ,, i am done with hearing storys from parents,, i am done with this,, since it is computer and you cant actualy prove a damn thing ....i decided to do it on website located on global server,, i estimate the number of peopel who wil vist gh15 website when it come out....and trust me we are fighting very big fellas in the hirarcy ,, but when gh15 website come out.... thenumber of fellas who visit it wil be in the millions

im putting it all out,, every little secret,, discusion about narcotics,, discusion about insulina,, discusion about excuses and the real reasons behind them ,, discusions about how bodybuild think and in what terms,, discusion about fake natural of the month or of the week it wil depend how much time i have,, my top elfs will have their own say and articles they will put out,, im bring down the fucking house becuase some fellas pisses me off,, i warned to not fucking piss me off,, i WARNED THIS,, i am known as compassion heart god ,, but i am furious for the lies and hte big lies say about someone who steped on mount olymous and hands on done it on himself for many many years,, im a walking fucking pharmacy

so! the website will talk about how it realy is in bodybuild ,, it wil be detailed ,, and it will put out the bad and PRAISE the good

gh15 approved

Will this be a $300 website?

THE BEEF


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: JAM on February 03, 2012, 09:41:07 AM

 ::)brown nose...... fucking noob c.unt


Piss off  :P 


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh2 on February 03, 2012, 11:35:34 AM
I was reading the bible and in november the 8th 2006 it was said: "anadrol = a drug that i find no place for in bodybuilding because it was never meant for building muscle,,it is for treatment of anemia and the doses needed for major results are not worthy of the side effects,,mainly the appetite killing and the depressed mood"

and

"i put dianabol and deca as the best drugs ever for a bodybuilder is the ability of them both to put a massive amout of size/muscle on a frame while maintaining side effects to minimum. "

and

"trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.

trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.

now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate"

And in August 2006: "only human grade pharma drugs should be used. no! eq is NOT nandrolone decanoate. deca made for humans,,,eq made for horses. humans are not horses. eq will never! get you the muscle nandrolone puts on you and is made in condition not suited for humans. get legit human grade pharma drugs if you ever wanna get big. muscle big. eq is good when you already have the size and muscle on you and you try to improve your performence and over all condition. when aiming at adding/building mass on your frame there is no replacment for legit pharma human grade deca test and dianabol"

But lately it's all the way around.

Now anapolona/trenbologna/ganabolona is the shit and testosterona/nandrolona/dianabolona are non existant.

Even growth hormona was not talked about as beeing the holy graal of muscle mass

Now primobolana acetato but liquid of course is the hidden secret.

I dig you GH15 and your youtube videos are awsome but the bible is mutating. Today is one thing, tomorrow another.


Great post, Falco! GH15 is entertaining but there have been a lot of contradictions. How about an explanation to falco's post?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: apply85 on February 03, 2012, 11:42:18 AM
god works in mysterious ways

/thread


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Growth NOOB on February 03, 2012, 11:43:49 AM
god works in mysterious ways

/thread


 ;D


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh2 on February 03, 2012, 11:50:55 AM
god works in mysterious ways

/thread

That's where you have the problem. Just like religeous people who will argue until their last breath that the bible explains everything. But the bible can be interpreted in any way you want to depending on who you are and what you want to prove. So we are left with a lot of text that basically leads in any direction you want it to.

So we are back to square one again and there is not just one truth but many truths. Do what works for you and what you believe in.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 03, 2012, 11:59:34 AM
Great post, Falco! GH15 is entertaining but there have been a lot of contradictions. How about an explanation to falco's post?

i already explain why ,, i will nto repeat,,itds yoru mission to follow every word i say or in end of day every day to folow bible,, if the all cult do it there is no reason for you not to ,, it was explain


gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: apply85 on February 03, 2012, 12:14:25 PM
That's where you have the problem. Just like religeous people who will argue until their last breath that the bible explains everything. But the bible can be interpreted in any way you want to depending on who you are and what you want to prove. So we are left with a lot of text that basically leads in any direction you want it to.

So we are back to square one again and there is not just one truth but many truths. Do what works for you and what you believe in.

you have to be told to put one step in front of the other too? for some thing you gotta use your brain


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: sapp66 on February 03, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
That's where you have the problem. Just like religeous people who will argue until their last breath that the bible explains everything. But the bible can be interpreted in any way you want to depending on who you are and what you want to prove. So we are left with a lot of text that basically leads in any direction you want it to.

So we are back to square one again and there is not just one truth but many truths. Do what works for you and what you believe in.

read the all bible like he says... he explained many times even he was not fully truthfull and was only 90%  now he gives us the all truth which is why he is fallen angel ... its all there man..  u cant just read 08 and compare to yesterdays posts... gotta read it all through


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: jude2 on February 03, 2012, 08:35:52 PM
i already explain why ,, i will nto repeat,,itds yoru mission to follow every word i say or in end of day every day to folow bible,, if the all cult do it there is no reason for you not to ,, it was explain


gh15 approved
Come on gh15 what kind of response is that. Dude makes a great point and if we are going to take u seriously we need a better explanation than that. I don't understand the complete change of opinion.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: L.L on February 03, 2012, 08:45:13 PM
I love PRIMO but it is almost impossible to find legit Primo nowdays..


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: aesthetics on February 03, 2012, 08:48:08 PM
naw, it's just super expensive from the reputable sources. if you go with some new source, the primo will be shitty more than likely, same goes for var.


1-test cypionate, now that's something that's hard to find.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh15 on February 03, 2012, 09:14:49 PM
Come on gh15 what kind of response is that. Dude makes a great point and if we are going to take u seriously we need a better explanation than that. I don't understand the complete change of opinion.

ask flinsten he wil explain to you ,, i already explained this in detail to flinsten not even 2 months ago i dont egt it am i a fucking parot? its liek i say something and then after few minute it ask again ,,

liek that show on americnao tv ,, mom mom ,, mom ,, mom mom mom mom mommy mom mom mom mommy mom mommy  ,, whatttttttttttttttt?

hi



thats hwo i feel like that damn show with that litle bold kid you hve there

gh15 approved


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: ChristopherA on February 03, 2012, 09:28:53 PM
HAHA!! That was a great post. I bust your chops, mostly for effect, but that was gold. Gold Jerry! Gold!


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: jude2 on February 03, 2012, 09:59:48 PM
I was reading the bible and in november the 8th 2006 it was said: "anadrol = a drug that i find no place for in bodybuilding because it was never meant for building muscle,,it is for treatment of anemia and the doses needed for major results are not worthy of the side effects,,mainly the appetite killing and the depressed mood"

and

"i put dianabol and deca as the best drugs ever for a bodybuilder is the ability of them both to put a massive amout of size/muscle on a frame while maintaining side effects to minimum. "

and

"trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.

trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.

now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate"

And in August 2006: "only human grade pharma drugs should be used. no! eq is NOT nandrolone decanoate. deca made for humans,,,eq made for horses. humans are not horses. eq will never! get you the muscle nandrolone puts on you and is made in condition not suited for humans. get legit human grade pharma drugs if you ever wanna get big. muscle big. eq is good when you already have the size and muscle on you and you try to improve your performence and over all condition. when aiming at adding/building mass on your frame there is no replacment for legit pharma human grade deca test and dianabol"

But lately it's all the way around.

Now anapolona/trenbologna/ganabolona is the shit and testosterona/nandrolona/dianabolona are non existant.

Even growth hormona was not talked about as beeing the holy graal of muscle mass

Now primobolana acetato but liquid of course is the hidden secret.

I dig you GH15 and your youtube videos are awsome but the bible is mutating. Today is one thing, tomorrow another.




Ok Flintstone explain this post to me per gh15.


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: gh2 on February 04, 2012, 02:51:53 AM
Ok Flintstone explain this post to me per gh15.

Yeah Flintstone, please do!?


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: bigmc on February 04, 2012, 03:19:19 AM
I was reading the bible and in november the 8th 2006 it was said: "anadrol = a drug that i find no place for in bodybuilding because it was never meant for building muscle,,it is for treatment of anemia and the doses needed for major results are not worthy of the side effects,,mainly the appetite killing and the depressed mood"

and

"i put dianabol and deca as the best drugs ever for a bodybuilder is the ability of them both to put a massive amout of size/muscle on a frame while maintaining side effects to minimum. "

and

"trenbolone = cutting agent. i would not use it for anything other than contest prep IF at all! fina is a good drug for strength and for remaining at about the same weight while improving muscle hardness.

trenbolone is not even at the top 5 drugs i would say are a must for a bodybuilder. there are better drugs out there for cutting.

now,,,testosterone on the other hand is a major hormone and i would put it as top 3 drugs for a bodybuilder with dianabol and nandrolone decanoate"

And in August 2006: "only human grade pharma drugs should be used. no! eq is NOT nandrolone decanoate. deca made for humans,,,eq made for horses. humans are not horses. eq will never! get you the muscle nandrolone puts on you and is made in condition not suited for humans. get legit human grade pharma drugs if you ever wanna get big. muscle big. eq is good when you already have the size and muscle on you and you try to improve your performence and over all condition. when aiming at adding/building mass on your frame there is no replacment for legit pharma human grade deca test and dianabol"

But lately it's all the way around.

Now anapolona/trenbologna/ganabolona is the shit and testosterona/nandrolona/dianabolona are non existant.

Even growth hormona was not talked about as beeing the holy graal of muscle mass

Now primobolana acetato but liquid of course is the hidden secret.

I dig you GH15 and your youtube videos are awsome but the bible is mutating. Today is one thing, tomorrow another.





gh15 will push what ever he is selling at the time


Title: Re: primobolana/bible index
Post by: Omega on February 04, 2012, 04:38:19 AM
primobolan is the best steroid out there hands down!
there was a thread about it a month ago or something...and people were calling primo weak... lol....
for me it even beats tren, because tren gives me sides.... but that is personal though...
primo gives me no sides at all except lean muscle... and i get full as hell on it!! it's great!!
also i feel great... combine it with hgh and you will be walking on air... lol!it was years ago that i used it though, god i miss it!


I have always said this and even in the thread you speak of I was very vocal.
If there was only one I could run and afford it would be that. 1g a week of methenolone enanthate is just heaven.

I had about 700ml made up for me back in 2006-7 which is now coming to an end.
This was when it was decent raw powders. Still wasnt cheap but I knew what I was getting. Dosed it at 125mg/ml the only highest dose comfortable to suspend. Anything more is crippling.


Dickheads out there calling it weak and a womans drug...
I dont get on with androgens at all. This is perfect.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 06, 2012, 08:33:12 AM
I believe i read somewere in the bible that the reason for that "change of opinion" was due to being hard to find legit deca or dianabol these days. It was all bunk.

But that is not the point of your claims. The point is the drug itself and not if nowadays deca or dianabol is hall bunk.
You said in the past anapolona and tren are crap for bodybuilding. Not that crapy anapolona/trenbolona are no good just legit gear.

You are a worldwide phenomenon GH15!

Just because you can't find legit deca in the states you cannot say is not good anymore. You have discipules everywere.

I'm sure greeks have it almost for free (2€ the Normas 200mg ampouls) or the spanish have legit schering primobolana, zambon winstrols or the testex elmu at 2.5€ or so. Portuguese guys have organon testoviron/sustanon and deca 50mgs. It can be bought without prescription in the local pharmacy.

Equipoise the 50ml bottles (pharma legit) on the other hand is hard to get around here. You have to own a registered horse and buy the vet some beers to get a prescription ;D ;D

I only use pharma grade or legit/sold in the pharmacy gear. Underground labs vials are expensive injectable 10W40 motor oil! that is a fact, although some long time drug dealers friends of mine claim the opposite.

GH15 i don't want you to repeat yourself, i just think that as discipules that worship you we all deserve a better explanation of this contraditions of the bible. You or one of your elfs please.

best regards



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 06, 2012, 10:14:01 AM
I believe i read somewere in the bible that the reason for that "change of opinion" was due to being hard to find legit deca or dianabol these days. It was all bunk.

But that is not the point of your claims. The point is the drug itself and not if nowadays deca or dianabol is hall bunk.
You said in the past anapolona and tren are crap for bodybuilding. Not that crapy anapolona/trenbolona are no good just legit gear.

You are a worldwide phenomenon GH15!

Just because you can't find legit deca in the states you cannot say is not good anymore. You have discipules everywere.

I'm sure greeks have it almost for free (2€ the Normas 200mg ampouls) or the spanish have legit schering primobolana, zambon winstrols or the testex elmu at 2.5€ or so. Portuguese guys have organon testoviron/sustanon and deca 50mgs. It can be bought without prescription in the local pharmacy.

Equipoise the 50ml bottles (pharma legit) on the other hand is hard to get around here. You have to own a registered horse and buy the vet some beers to get a prescription ;D ;D

I only use pharma grade or legit/sold in the pharmacy gear. Underground labs vials are expensive injectable 10W40 motor oil! that is a fact, although some long time drug dealers friends of mine claim the opposite.

GH15 i don't want you to repeat yourself, i just think that as discipules that worship you we all deserve a better explanation of this contraditions of the bible. You or one of your elfs please.

best regards


lol.. normas / zambons/ and scherings the most copied brands they sell in europe... 90% of it on the market is fake bro.....
zambom is not called zambon anymore... it's desma since 2007
and norma's for 2 euros?? lol... good luck finding it for that price....
and eq pharma legit??? you do know eq is a vet product...??? eq pharm grade therefore does not exist. there are ugl that make it pharmgrade quality though...
and to my understanding it's not that easy anymore buying in local farmacies in spain and portugal...
ugl is the future.... humangrade quality but not officially....
less and less humangrade products on the market.. legit ones anyway... and if you find them it expensive as fuck!
so why use dbol , test , deca if you can use tren/eq/primo/masterone for the same or less money???
and as with anything times change brother.... when gh15 was just here... about 2006 i believe the market was not the same as it is now....
you have to do with what is available...
today all kinds of anabolics are being produced which were almost not available earlier ...
tren was difficult to get a hold of back then....
masteron same thing...
eq only vet and the dumb ass 50mg per ml version lol... pinning 20ml of oil a week sucks!
so ugl's changed the bb chemical arsenal... that and the lowered cost of hgh....thanks to china china man... ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh2 on February 06, 2012, 10:36:59 AM
lol.. normas / zambons/ and scherings the most copied brands they sell in europe... 90% of it on the market is fake bro.....
zambom is not called zambon anymore... it's desma since 2007
and norma's for 2 euros?? lol... good luck finding it for that price....
and eq pharma legit??? you do know eq is a vet product...??? eq pharm grade therefore does not exist. there are ugl that make it pharmgrade quality though...
and to my understanding it's not that easy anymore buying in local farmacies in spain and portugal...
ugl is the future.... humangrade quality but not officially....
less and less humangrade products on the market.. legit ones anyway... and if you find them it expensive as fuck!
so why use dbol , test , deca if you can use tren/eq/primo/masterone for the same or less money???
and as with anything times change brother.... when gh15 was just here... about 2006 i believe the market was not the same as it is now....
you have to do with what is available...
today all kinds of anabolics are being produced which were almost not available earlier ...
tren was difficult to get a hold of back then....
masteron same thing...
eq only vet and the dumb ass 50mg per ml version lol... pinning 20ml of oil a week sucks!
so ugl's changed the bb chemical arsenal... that and the lowered cost of hgh....thanks to china china man... ;D ;D


No. You can't explain the contradictions by saying the availability is not the same. GH15 said anadrol and tren were a bad choice for BB. Why were they a bad choice then and the best choice possible now? Why the contradiction? And suddenly out of nowhere primo is a top choice. Availability, prices or that "we were not ready" is not good enough. If his advice can not withstand logical, critical thinking and questions then that raises serious doubts about his credability.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 02:01:57 AM
My frend,

I am talking about buying the stuff in PUBLIC PHARMACIES were you buy your xanax and your viagra or the ibrufen for your kids! You can not get more legit gear than that!

And you buy the deca in greece for the 2€ and change in the pharmacy. Sorry, it's like that. Of course you have to buy small quantities in order to don't get authority problems.

And you buy equipoise in a vet pharmacy yes, you just have to get a prescription (or not depending if you have any "friend" there), harder in portugal, muuuuuucho más easy in spain amigo.

And 50mg of legit boldenone is VERY different than 50mg of some shit (or oily urine) non steril underdosed undergroung lab bunk, so you will do de party with a lot less ml's, for the sake of your ass chicks.

You say "all kinds of anabolics are being produced" but i have to disagree. It's more like al kinds of supposed to be anabolics are being produced, but fortunatelly there still are REAL steroids. Of course we all would like to have legit tren and the such but that is not a excuse to use bunk health hazard material.

An the thing about zambon or desma, it's the same factory, they just changed names in order to get funding.

You say "ugl is the future.... humangrade quality but not officially...." but how can you be assured of that humangrade quality? There is no entity that checks those labs for purity or sanitary conditions. You just can't be sure of what you are injecting in your ass.

My advice to all is go legit if possible and design your cycles around the legit steroids that you can get. If you can't let some brave human guinea pig try the ugl whatever before you. If it works with him or them, then give it a shot ;D

To end this nobody still answer my initial question:
How come trenbolona/anapolona/ganabola were shit for bodybuilders in 2006 and in 2011 they are the BEST CHOICES a bodybuilder can make? (and don't come with the cost argument because that was never the point in this discussion).
2012 as come and now.... it's the never before spoken PRIMOBOLANA!

The bible is a big mess.

Please oh mighty one enlighten us, your humble discipules.

Best regards










Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NineGeez on February 07, 2012, 02:18:06 AM
Why were they a bad choice then and the best choice possible now? Why the contradiction?

because he has product to shift,, simple!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 07, 2012, 02:32:30 AM
lol.. normas / zambons/ and scherings the most copied brands they sell in europe... 90% of it on the market is fake bro.....
zambom is not called zambon anymore... it's desma since 2007
and norma's for 2 euros?? lol... good luck finding it for that price....
and eq pharma legit??? you do know eq is a vet product...??? eq pharm grade therefore does not exist. there are ugl that make it pharmgrade quality though...
and to my understanding it's not that easy anymore buying in local farmacies in spain and portugal...
ugl is the future.... humangrade quality but not officially....
less and less humangrade products on the market.. legit ones anyway... and if you find them it expensive as fuck!
so why use dbol , test , deca if you can use tren/eq/primo/masterone for the same or less money???
and as with anything times change brother.... when gh15 was just here... about 2006 i believe the market was not the same as it is now....
you have to do with what is available...
today all kinds of anabolics are being produced which were almost not available earlier ...
tren was difficult to get a hold of back then....
masteron same thing...
eq only vet and the dumb ass 50mg per ml version lol... pinning 20ml of oil a week sucks!
so ugl's changed the bb chemical arsenal... that and the lowered cost of hgh....thanks to china china man... ;D ;D


finaplix was around for a long, long, long time



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 07, 2012, 05:00:11 AM
finaplix was around for a long, long, long time


you think everybody lives in usa???? ;D ;D ;D
in europe nobody liked or used finaplix bro.....
i said is was not easy to com by.... once the last para's were gone.... :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 07, 2012, 05:25:03 AM
My frend,

I am talking about buying the stuff in PUBLIC PHARMACIES were you buy your xanax and your viagra or the ibrufen for your kids! You can not get more legit gear than that!

And you buy the deca in greece for the 2€ and change in the pharmacy. Sorry, it's like that. Of course you have to buy small quantities in order to don't get authority problems.

And you buy equipoise in a vet pharmacy yes, you just have to get a prescription (or not depending if you have any "friend" there), harder in portugal, muuuuuucho más easy in spain amigo.

And 50mg of legit boldenone is VERY different than 50mg of some shit (or oily urine) non steril underdosed undergroung lab bunk, so you will do de party with a lot less ml's, for the sake of your ass chicks.

You say "all kinds of anabolics are being produced" but i have to disagree. It's more like al kinds of supposed to be anabolics are being produced, but fortunatelly there still are REAL steroids. Of course we all would like to have legit tren and the such but that is not a excuse to use bunk health hazard material.

An the thing about zambon or desma, it's the same factory, they just changed names in order to get funding.

You say "ugl is the future.... humangrade quality but not officially...." but how can you be assured of that humangrade quality? There is no entity that checks those labs for purity or sanitary conditions. You just can't be sure of what you are injecting in your ass.

My advice to all is go legit if possible and design your cycles around the legit steroids that you can get. If you can't let some brave human guinea pig try the ugl whatever before you. If it works with him or them, then give it a shot ;D

To end this nobody still answer my initial question:
How come trenbolona/anapolona/ganabola were shit for bodybuilders in 2006 and in 2011 they are the BEST CHOICES a bodybuilder can make? (and don't come with the cost argument because that was never the point in this discussion).
2012 as come and now.... it's the never before spoken PRIMOBOLANA!

The bible is a big mess.

Please oh mighty one enlighten us, your humble discipules.

Best regards









my friend,
are you familiar with the eu regulations?????
europe is one big happy family nowadays... the days of buying in spanish farmacias is long gone....
same for greece and portugal... it's not that easy anymore.... trust me... i have people there....
and 2 euro's for a norma...??? yeah the fake normas that are being made by that ugl! lol... real ones are more then 2 euro's bro...

street price of norma's were about 7 to 9 euro's and that was 6 years ago....my guy paid about 5 for them... and he got them from a big big big fish in europe.... that dude got them for about 3/4 maybe !! but i doubt it...this is all bulk!!! not 10 ampoules lol... BULK!!!!

and to answer your question.... read the bible... read back and the answer is right there...
that plus the stuff i said earlier....

about zambon...
desma has the liscence now.... zambom is no more.... different company...
if you have a zambon and it says 2008... it's fake... should say desma.... that is why i said what i said...
human grade brands are so much faked it's not even funny bro.... i have seen scherings.... testovirons, sustanons, anapolons, hell even cheap ass good for nothing omnadrens are being faked.... lol...
all from farmacias in turkey (except the omna's), official farmacias! and fake!!!
70/80% is fake.... and you can't tell by looking at it.... it's perfectly done...

we got stuff from iran at the time, as i had friends living there... so test/deca/anadrol.. all good to go...
but the rest.... 70% fake bro..... spain = lots of fake.... trust me.... turkey = lots of fake....
also many factories produce less and less, because they know where their products are going...lol...
that is why parabolan was stopped, it was not used in medicine anymore, the product went straight to the black market... primobolan production is stopped by schering germany... ect ect... you will see this happen more and more... prices of hg gear will be so high that is is simply better to buy a good ugl product.
that is why i keep telling ugl = the future.... you have decent ugl around you know, run by people who care... who want to give bodybuild good products...
there are goldfish among the sharks...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh2 on February 07, 2012, 06:50:33 AM
my friend,
are you familiar with the eu regulations?????
europe is one big happy family nowadays... the days of buying in spanish farmacias is long gone....
same for greece and portugal... it's not that easy anymore.... trust me... i have people there....
and 2 euro's for a norma...??? yeah the fake normas that are being made by that ugl! lol... real ones are more then 2 euro's bro...

street price of norma's were about 7 to 9 euro's and that was 6 years ago....my guy paid about 5 for them... and he got them from a big big big fish in europe.... that dude got them for about 3/4 maybe !! but i doubt it...this is all bulk!!! not 10 ampoules lol... BULK!!!!

and to answer your question.... read the bible... read back and the answer is right there...
that plus the stuff i said earlier....


about zambon...
desma has the liscence now.... zambom is no more.... different company...
if you have a zambon and it says 2008... it's fake... should say desma.... that is why i said what i said...
human grade brands are so much faked it's not even funny bro.... i have seen scherings.... testovirons, sustanons, anapolons, hell even cheap ass good for nothing omnadrens are being faked.... lol...
all from farmacias in turkey (except the omna's), official farmacias! and fake!!!
70/80% is fake.... and you can't tell by looking at it.... it's perfectly done...

we got stuff from iran at the time, as i had friends living there... so test/deca/anadrol.. all good to go...
but the rest.... 70% fake bro..... spain = lots of fake.... trust me.... turkey = lots of fake....
also many factories produce less and less, because they know where their products are going...lol...
that is why parabolan was stopped, it was not used in medicine anymore, the product went straight to the black market... primobolan production is stopped by schering germany... ect ect... you will see this happen more and more... prices of hg gear will be so high that is is simply better to buy a good ugl product.
that is why i keep telling ugl = the future.... you have decent ugl around you know, run by people who care... who want to give bodybuild good products...
there are goldfish among the sharks...

= you don't know. Ok, thanks for answering what we already knew. There is no plausible explanation.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 07:38:25 AM
My frend,

Europe is not a big happy family, it's a dieing former nazi unificating german dream.  
Spanish are not germans and greeks are never going to be french, or portuguese like Fins lol so as an european, we all couldn't be more fallen appart. It's just a matter of time until the europe comunity falls appart, to many different goals and needs and beliefes between countries.
Hope that this makes the steroid market more accessible and relaxed :D!

The laws that regulate medication production in europe are very strict even more so for veterinarian use.
But... underground labs are what the name says: underground labs and god knows what is going on there. Not even the god of hormones know. They don't have any king of control because officially they cannot sell their stuff as being medication.

I truly am sad for all the ones that cannot access legit steroids, must be very frustrating when ugl is the only resource some have. But that doesn't mean that bunk gear suddentely get's better than the real stuff.

About buying gear in farmacias of course you don't just go there and buy 100 ampouls at a time. You go from times to times during the year and buy a couple sustenons today, some deca the day after. You build a nice stock at home gathering the shit you will need for your cycle. You may even trade some between your fiends, that's what friends are for...

About the 2€ normas it's just a matter of reading what's writen in the little box of the 2ml ampoul, and there it says 2 FUCKING EUROS!!! you don't need a magnifying lens to read that!! trust me i was there last summer!

Gear from iran or whatever just doesn't enter my seringe, i don't know them, i don't want to know them, i have the best steroids around me, don't need whatever they have to sell. Don't even use their petrol anymore.

Factories don't produce less because they know that 80% of their primobolan depot an their testex elmu prolongatum is going straight to the ass of athletes and they don't care, they just want to profit.

An example:

Until february 2007 in portugal testoviron depot and sustenon cost 2,2€ each (80 cents each if you got a prescription.) I know cause i bought them. In March all the testos and sustos disapeered from the market for 7-8 months.
When they apeared again they cost 7€ each. They know that for the trt patient it's a tiny cost increase in his threatment but for us was a stab in the back. Luckily the spanish testex remained in the 2€ range.
So as you see, medication companies know their scheme very well and know that the steroid busisness is a rampant one and very profitable.

But again, the main and initial question remains unanswered.









Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 07:48:58 AM
In 20 january 2007, the bible:

"i,,*****,,can take OXANDROLONE (anavar) at 140-160mg a day and get ONLY BY USING THIS LITTLE TINY "FEMININE" TABLETS,, get from 280+ 12%  to 280+ 6% in 8 weeks or less.

we always tell you how anavar is a pussy drug,,,but what we dont tell you is how much we use it because it is,, together with dianabol and nandrolone,, the best drug ever made on planet earth,,,drug that burns and sheds adipose fat and the most stuborn bicellular fat cells,,but we just dont want you to use it,,why? bodybuilding is selfish sport where every one is a wolf,,especially if competes."

I thought it was the primobolana...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: goomba420 on February 07, 2012, 07:54:14 AM
In 20 january 2007, the bible:

"i,,*****,,can take OXANDROLONE (anavar) at 140-160mg a day and get ONLY BY USING THIS LITTLE TINY "FEMININE" TABLETS,, get from 280+ 12%  to 280+ 6% in 8 weeks or less.

we always tell you how anavar is a pussy drug,,,but what we dont tell you is how much we use it because it is,, together with dianabol and nandrolone,, the best drug ever made on planet earth,,,drug that burns and sheds adipose fat and the most stuborn bicellular fat cells,,but we just dont want you to use it,,why? bodybuilding is selfish sport where every one is a wolf,,especially if competes."

I thought it was the primobolana...

gh15 = idiot


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 07:55:59 AM
December 2006:

"best precontest drugs are masteron,,winstrol,,halo,,suspension,,and nolotil,, with duretics ofcourse in due time. ofcourse it changes from individual to individual and every one respond different to different products but those are main products needed  most in last few weeks,,,gh insulin and igf .. you gotta know well before you play with because they are known to ruin physiqes precontest and in general (you know who im talking about so no need for names)"

january 2007:

"the right way to bulk:

dianabol,,testosterone,,nandrolone

calorie high in the sky with some dirty meals,,aromasin from the pharmacy if you want to eliminate bloat completely,,bloat is good for you though! proviron for hardness and anti estrogen

the right way to cut:

oxandrolone,,testosterone+trenbolone,,,,masteron,,winstrol-inject and halo for final touch in this order too. aromasin and proviron for dryness and extra hardness all through.

every 2 weeks you add in a product till you get to a point where you are on all of them at once for a whole month.

clean diet! 5 days low carbs 1 days high carbs. no cytomel needed,,no clenbuterol needed. you can use some cytomel 25mcg if you add in growth and insulin but in general no cytomel needed when diet is clean,,not even for the trenbolone"


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NeilGM on February 07, 2012, 08:18:38 AM
Wooohoooo back to stacks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All that "I am the law" shit was boring me side ways and all that shit about growth fuck me... Thanks for finally getting back on track..

Thought you was quitting anyway?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 08:21:47 AM
The bible, february 2007:

I call this chapter, "Where's the growth hormona?"

Here it goes:

"this is what i recomend and ONLY if followed to the t,, that means brands of gear too,,

thai dianabol (snake and arrow pink octagon shape anabols) by british disp,, or naposim by terapia romania,,ONLY THOSE 2.

testosterone cyp testex from spain,, or portugease testovis,, or norma hellas test enanthate from greece ,,or watson usa or anyother american long ester testosterone if you can find legit ones,,

nandrolone decanoate by norma hellas.

50-75mg dianabol/day 6 weeks

500-1gram test/week 10-12 weeks

400-600mg nandrolone/week 10-12 weeks

i would not use anti estrogen like nolvadex at all on a bulk,,if you want to stay somewhat hard and afraid of bitch tits,, i suggest adding proviron at 50-200mg/day and keep diet in tact and that means feeding yourself nasty clean food but make sure to eat it a lot because you need a lot of "clean" calories in a bulk for it to make you happy,,

so either choke on the food and chew it,, or smash it in a blender and drink it,,,done it plenty of times throughout my years in bodybuiliding,,,i just took the tuna cans and smashed them in blender and drank it right there with olive oil or penut butter,,,

also avoid protien shakes and all that crap,,avoid bars avoid that crap,,,keep it to food and only food and enough food as in lots of calories while bulking,,

the moment you get to 250lb and i assume thats where you will be past the 10th week,,i would suggest imidiatly to add in pure ephedrine at 25mg a day with caffine at 200-300mg a day and cycle it with some var,,tren en,,eq or primo depot,,with little bit test,,i dont care much for brands here as long as your source is solid,, for couple more weeks till week 18-20 then look in the mirror and you will smile,,you can maintain a protocol of injections of 2 times a week since everything is long ester.

the doses on the var,,tren enanthate,,eq and/or primo depot can be less than optimal,, because you work a combo here that will work very nice and together twards the aim of hardening your physiqe to a new level of size,,solidifying your gains,,and eliminating stubborn fat,, all of this while increasing or at the least maintaining your strength,,it also will help in the elimination of water that will also occure naturally the moment you drop the dianabol and nandrolone and reduce the test intake,,

if you have lots of fat on you as in 15%+ at the end of week 10,,i would add in at this phase aromasin or arimidex to kill the estrogen in the best possibe way for some time,, because the less estrogen you have circulating around,,the easier it will be for the products you take to harden you and eliminating fat down to the single digit you are after,,and take out the proviron to save money,,if your body fat is closer to single digits i wouldnt bother with ai at all.

you can add a solid 10-15lb of lean muscle,,in a 5-6 month period,,following this route,,
10-15 lb of pure lean muscle makes HUGE diff on a physiqe,,naturally same time period you might add 2-3lb if lucky and young enough,, aka under 30."

March 2007:

"nah brother mac Cheesy

dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate

he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,

dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week

make sure you get legit products,,

no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,"

and

"[quote
GH- Can you give me a way to get ripped while still eating whatever i want ? Is it possible?? I don't want to use gear and have been training for 3 years now.
Leave my name off please.
[/quote]


better have some muscle on you before you follow my advice my friend,,

1)bronkaid 1 tablet 2-3 times a day
2)caffeine 200mg caps 2-3 times a day
3) some cardio if no hormones involved
4) eat your junk with moderation and stay active,,3 meals a day will do with junk diet,,you have to be active on junk diets
5) you wont see anything lower than true 7% but i assume thats  what you look for,,if you see anything lower it will look sickly and unhealthy in the real world
6) i would add test eq trenbolone and masterone with aromasin as ai,, and clean majority of the diet if you want to see anything on the scale that resemble 200+ ripped/shredded pounds

good luck?
dont recomend it to anyone who wanna grow,, you will get what you want though and get ripped for the usa girlys Smiley
Reply


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NotMrAverage on February 07, 2012, 08:27:18 AM
Nolotil was atleast no problem to get at spanish pharma in 2008...i lived there when i first read it was like esiclene...thought it would be better though...blows muscles up at the same grade as if you shot 2 ml of testex elmu or some 50 mg prop locally....might differ from people to people though


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NotMrAverage on February 07, 2012, 08:42:17 AM
the good ol dbol+deca+test is a great cycle...i was shocked on how strong and big i got on that combo...russian methandrostenolone in blisters, organon deca with the yellow tops and nile sustanon...btw makes you bloated as hell but you feel awesome and some bloat in the offseason is nothing to cry about...bread and butter cycle...have not seen these good old russian dbols for years and years now...nile sust is no biggie to get now, the yellow tops are abit harder to get and was alot of counterfeits even 15 years ago...still see them from time to time


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jon cole on February 07, 2012, 09:12:21 AM
my friend,
are you familiar with the eu regulations?????
europe is one big happy family nowadays... the days of buying in spanish farmacias is long gone....
same for greece and portugal... it's not that easy anymore.... trust me... i have people there....
and 2 euro's for a norma...??? yeah the fake normas that are being made by that ugl! lol... real ones are more then 2 euro's bro...

street price of norma's were about 7 to 9 euro's and that was 6 years ago....my guy paid about 5 for them... and he got them from a big big big fish in europe.... that dude got them for about 3/4 maybe !! but i doubt it...this is all bulk!!! not 10 ampoules lol... BULK!!!!

and to answer your question.... read the bible... read back and the answer is right there...
that plus the stuff i said earlier....

about zambon...
desma has the liscence now.... zambom is no more.... different company...
if you have a zambon and it says 2008... it's fake... should say desma.... that is why i said what i said...
human grade brands are so much faked it's not even funny bro.... i have seen scherings.... testovirons, sustanons, anapolons, hell even cheap ass good for nothing omnadrens are being faked.... lol...
all from farmacias in turkey (except the omna's), official farmacias! and fake!!!
70/80% is fake.... and you can't tell by looking at it.... it's perfectly done...

we got stuff from iran at the time, as i had friends living there... so test/deca/anadrol.. all good to go...
but the rest.... 70% fake bro..... spain = lots of fake.... trust me.... turkey = lots of fake....
also many factories produce less and less, because they know where their products are going...lol...
that is why parabolan was stopped, it was not used in medicine anymore, the product went straight to the black market... primobolan production is stopped by schering germany... ect ect... you will see this happen more and more... prices of hg gear will be so high that is is simply better to buy a good ugl product.
that is why i keep telling ugl = the future.... you have decent ugl around you know, run by people who care... who want to give bodybuild good products...
there are goldfish among the sharks...


1-buying gear in pharma was ok in the early 90's.

2-street price is now 12/15 e, and even 20e in town like Paris.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 07, 2012, 11:32:13 AM

1-buying gear in pharma was ok in the early 90's.

2-street price is now 12/15 e, and even 20e in town like Paris.
lol... isn't that what i said... those days are long gone? early 90's are long gone if you haven't noticed lolol!

12/15 euro's ??? yeah that seems about right.... the 8/9 euro's i was talking about was in 2005....
ever since then i have been making my own gear.... fuck all this hg.... 80% is fake anyway....
deca yellowtops? good luck finding originals... deca norma's almost all fake...
nile sustanon.... faked to the tenth degree....primo heavily faked, sustanon from organon/testoviron/anapolon.... faked faked faked...
the problem with hg brands is just as bad as with ugl's...... fakes everywhere....
nothing new the fake market... sometimes they ar good fakes with everything in them.... but a lot of times it's crap...
deca which has tes p in it.... primo also testP... etc etc...products underdosed....
better cook it yourself... ;)



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: g101 on February 07, 2012, 11:36:45 AM
ok guys for the millionth time........ i'll say it again

READ THE BIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE SAID IT AND ILL REPEAT THE REASON HE RECOMMENDED TEST DECA DBOL WAS BECAUSE IT WAS PHARM GRADE AND WAS EASIER TO GET LEGIT AND HE DID NOT WANT TO REVEAL ALL THE SECRETS AT ONCE

SO NOW HE IS GOING ALL OUT WITH THE SECRETS.

THERE IS YOUR ANSWER.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: g101 on February 07, 2012, 11:37:42 AM
gh15 = idiot

yet you still comment on EVERY SINGLE POST about gh15

go figure  ::) ::)


you're just like that delta clown.... hate on gh15 for 1 second the next ask for advice  ::)

hahah  we all know you praise him in private  :)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jon cole on February 07, 2012, 12:12:08 PM
lol... isn't that what i said... those days are long gone? early 90's are long gone if you haven't noticed lolol!

12/15 euro's ??? yeah that seems about right.... the 8/9 euro's i was talking about was in 2005....
ever since then i have been making my own gear.... fuck all this hg.... 80% is fake anyway....
deca yellowtops? good luck finding originals... deca norma's almost all fake...
nile sustanon.... faked to the tenth degree....primo heavily faked, sustanon from organon/testoviron/anapolon.... faked faked faked...
the problem with hg brands is just as bad as with ugl's...... fakes everywhere....
nothing new the fake market... sometimes they ar good fakes with everything in them.... but a lot of times it's crap...
deca which has tes p in it.... primo also testP... etc etc...products underdosed....
better cook it yourself... ;)


deca organon with yellow top, fake since 271 b.c...



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 07, 2012, 01:21:22 PM
deca organon with yellow top, fake since 271 b.c...


lol!
on the real yellows jesus himself would have lifted the cross out of the ground , and beat those romans to death with it!
we would not have easter fest today though... and that would suck... i love chocolat eggs!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh15 on February 07, 2012, 01:38:45 PM
you know reasoni dont respond to this balonie ?

eveyrthing he quote there is true ! lol i read it since havnt read bible in llong time ,, i dont read my own books,, but! when i read it now it is all 100% true,,

when you qupte bible you need to underdstand that ther eare ages for bodybuild not everyone is 19 or 20 ,, you also need to understand that full 100% truth was revealed slower,, i needed to get invinsibility first as in to my life remember in the begining....i did not even write in steroid boardings,, and had more limit than what i became now when im invinsible and finaly canmake fellas pay price,,


everythig i wrote then is trut but the missing parts are TIMEEEE...we advanced,, top chefs with top of the top powders came to the pictures along this last 10 years but mainly 6 years,, alot happened,, still! what i wrote is 100% true and you can do it but! the more i wrote the more my advice aim in the highest possible level of bodybuild which is top amatuerr and ofcoure profesional card holders which are ALL ALL! drug junkies and! drug dealers in many cases

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 07, 2012, 02:14:18 PM
I have a big smile in my face because i don't have to pay 20€ for a deca ampoul, but i also don't live in Paris...

I think i live in wonderland of juicers ;D!

When i quote the bible i was looking for enlightment because of the contradictions in there.

Ganabola was meant for horses in the past but when a bodybuilder mutates is a excellent steroid.

Anapolona was no good for bodybuilding just for anemia but after the mutation is the drug that every mutato has to have in blood.

Nowadays when extreme mutations have occured (and bible discipules are being called to The Hulk 3 castings) primobolana has to enter blood along with growht hormona.

This is no balonie GH15 and i am not here against you. I think your endeavour for the truth is very important in todays filth world of professional baloniebuilding. I morally support you God.

Plus the videos are something else, i e-mail them to all my juicehead and naturalliarsonlycreatine friends.

I just feel it's confusing all this sudden change in substances. My conclusion can only be: USE ALL the legit shit you can get your hands on/afford. LEGIT.

PS: 20 euros for a deca? JEEEESUUUUUS god almighty!!!

 


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 07, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
I have a big smile in my face because i don't have to pay 20€ for a deca ampoul, but i also don't live in Paris...

I think i live in wonderland of juicers ;D!

When i quote the bible i was looking for enlightment because of the contradictions in there.

Ganabola was meant for horses in the past but when a bodybuilder mutates is a excellent steroid.

Anapolona was no good for bodybuilding just for anemia but after the mutation is the drug that every mutato has to have in blood.

Nowadays when extreme mutations have occured (and bible discipules are being called to The Hulk 3 castings) primobolana has to enter blood along with growht hormona.

This is no balonie GH15 and i am not here against you. I think your endeavour for the truth is very important in todays filth world of professional baloniebuilding. I morally support you God.

Plus the videos are something else, i e-mail them to all my juicehead and naturalliarsonlycreatine friends.

I just feel it's confusing all this sudden change in substances. My conclusion can only be: USE ALL the legit shit you can get your hands on/afford. LEGIT.

PS: 20 euros for a deca? JEEEESUUUUUS god almighty!!!

 
about the deca.....
back in the day i stopped buying them.... both the yellows and they norma's....
90% is fake..... yes 90%!!
20 is alot i agree... someone close to a good source should pay no more then 10/12...
i used to pay around 6/7 lol......
20 euros for just 200mg of nandrolone is fucking ridiculous.... buy a good ugl product and you have 10ml of 300mg/ml of deca... for 35/40 euro's.... if your well connected even less...
that is why i say ugl = future....
hg prices will rise and rise....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: flinstones1 on February 07, 2012, 04:23:51 PM
The bible, february 2007:

I call this chapter, "Where's the growth hormona?"

Here it goes:

"this is what i recomend and ONLY if followed to the t,, that means brands of gear too,,

thai dianabol (snake and arrow pink octagon shape anabols) by british disp,, or naposim by terapia romania,,ONLY THOSE 2.

testosterone cyp testex from spain,, or portugease testovis,, or norma hellas test enanthate from greece ,,or watson usa or anyother american long ester testosterone if you can find legit ones,,

nandrolone decanoate by norma hellas.

50-75mg dianabol/day 6 weeks

500-1gram test/week 10-12 weeks

400-600mg nandrolone/week 10-12 weeks

i would not use anti estrogen like nolvadex at all on a bulk,,if you want to stay somewhat hard and afraid of bitch tits,, i suggest adding proviron at 50-200mg/day and keep diet in tact and that means feeding yourself nasty clean food but make sure to eat it a lot because you need a lot of "clean" calories in a bulk for it to make you happy,,

so either choke on the food and chew it,, or smash it in a blender and drink it,,,done it plenty of times throughout my years in bodybuiliding,,,i just took the tuna cans and smashed them in blender and drank it right there with olive oil or penut butter,,,

also avoid protien shakes and all that crap,,avoid bars avoid that crap,,,keep it to food and only food and enough food as in lots of calories while bulking,,

the moment you get to 250lb and i assume thats where you will be past the 10th week,,i would suggest imidiatly to add in pure ephedrine at 25mg a day with caffine at 200-300mg a day and cycle it with some var,,tren en,,eq or primo depot,,with little bit test,,i dont care much for brands here as long as your source is solid,, for couple more weeks till week 18-20 then look in the mirror and you will smile,,you can maintain a protocol of injections of 2 times a week since everything is long ester.

the doses on the var,,tren enanthate,,eq and/or primo depot can be less than optimal,, because you work a combo here that will work very nice and together twards the aim of hardening your physiqe to a new level of size,,solidifying your gains,,and eliminating stubborn fat,, all of this while increasing or at the least maintaining your strength,,it also will help in the elimination of water that will also occure naturally the moment you drop the dianabol and nandrolone and reduce the test intake,,

if you have lots of fat on you as in 15%+ at the end of week 10,,i would add in at this phase aromasin or arimidex to kill the estrogen in the best possibe way for some time,, because the less estrogen you have circulating around,,the easier it will be for the products you take to harden you and eliminating fat down to the single digit you are after,,and take out the proviron to save money,,if your body fat is closer to single digits i wouldnt bother with ai at all.

you can add a solid 10-15lb of lean muscle,,in a 5-6 month period,,following this route,,
10-15 lb of pure lean muscle makes HUGE diff on a physiqe,,naturally same time period you might add 2-3lb if lucky and young enough,, aka under 30."

March 2007:

"nah brother mac Cheesy

dianabol
testosterone
nandrolone decanoate

he will grow like a weed,,he got italian what ever build on him,,his build screams muscle,,its like little bobbie,,
no need for gh or sliin if not competing at the high level,,

dianabol 40-50mg a day
test cyp or enanthate 500-750mg a week
nandrolone decanoate 400-600mg a week

make sure you get legit products,,

no need for anything else,,can add some ephedra caffeine and aspirin to eliminate the fat,,but it wont be a problem,,his genetics is good,,"

and

"[quote
GH- Can you give me a way to get ripped while still eating whatever i want ? Is it possible?? I don't want to use gear and have been training for 3 years now.
Leave my name off please.



better have some muscle on you before you follow my advice my friend,,

1)bronkaid 1 tablet 2-3 times a day
2)caffeine 200mg caps 2-3 times a day
3) some cardio if no hormones involved
4) eat your junk with moderation and stay active,,3 meals a day will do with junk diet,,you have to be active on junk diets
5) you wont see anything lower than true 7% but i assume thats  what you look for,,if you see anything lower it will look sickly and unhealthy in the real world
6) i would add test eq trenbolone and masterone with aromasin as ai,, and clean majority of the diet if you want to see anything on the scale that resemble 200+ ripped/shredded pounds

good luck?
dont recomend it to anyone who wanna grow,, you will get what you want though and get ripped for the usa girlys Smiley
Reply

Bro this advice was made for 20 year olds gh15 is trying to get foundation! on....even then, do you think kuclo would be with his pro card if he played with test deca and dbol for 6 years with no gh? ::) Dorian Yates took Gh throughout his whole bodybuilding career, he didn't start the insulin until later. You have to be very gifted to look like a bodybuilder without GH, good structure, respond Incredbily tosteroids , and have high natural gh in the body. Not saying it can't be done but it's difficult, the kind of muscle you buiild with steroids is water between the skin and muscle. It's shit weight dude...it's real mucle of course but it still will look like shit. The new fibers HGH creates is what makes you a mutant/ not human. You will still be human on plain old steroids....just a bigger one with some thickness. You need to mutate to become an alien.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: dustin on February 07, 2012, 05:40:08 PM
Old testament, new testament. It's all good shit. 8)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 07, 2012, 05:45:29 PM
In 20 january 2007, the bible:

"i,,*****,,can take OXANDROLONE (anavar) at 140-160mg a day and get ONLY BY USING THIS LITTLE TINY "FEMININE" TABLETS,, get from 280+ 12%  to 280+ 6% in 8 weeks or less.

we always tell you how anavar is a pussy drug,,,but what we dont tell you is how much we use it because it is,, together with dianabol and nandrolone,, the best drug ever made on planet earth,,,drug that burns and sheds adipose fat and the most stuborn bicellular fat cells,,but we just dont want you to use it,,why? bodybuilding is selfish sport where every one is a wolf,,especially if competes."

I thought it was the primobolana...

var is better than primo but primo gives better cosmetic effects (minus the hair loss).


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Growth NOOB on February 07, 2012, 09:32:58 PM
var is better than primo but primo gives better cosmetic effects (minus the hair loss).

Hey bro,

Could you go into more detail about your experience with primo?  I always wrote it off as a "weak" drug for some reason.  After reading here and this thread, I am seriously considering using it.  Could you go into a littl more detail what your experience with it was and how you liked it? 

Come the spring time, I am considering the following cycle:

500mg test cyp or enanthate per week
600mg masteron per week
600mg primo per week
600mg tren per week
100mg anavar every day for 20 days
100mg winstrol (oral) everyday for 6 weeks
15-20iu gh every day
T3

That will be the most hardcore cycle I have ever done by far.  I am really considering competing again and trying to get in great conditioning and be rock solid.


Any thoughts?  Thanks


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 07, 2012, 10:52:00 PM
hey bro

i'm in no way the premiere primo expert, i've not run it a lot nor for long periods of time but my brief experience with it is pretty similar to everyone else's and i have no real unique insight. running primo can be best described as EQ without the pumps, but instead giving a more continually full looking muscle belly along with really nice effects on the skin, best way i can describe that is better "hue" and glow - skin just looks healthier. it was ultimately derived from EQ, so it's pretty similar to it in anabolism/androgenic, though a bit less potent mg for mg and more androgenic.

i ran some from the "G" man, probably the best source that exists now, was mixed at 200mg/ml and gave a little pip, not unlike test-prop. no real drastic gains on it, nor do you really feel like you're "on" but first thing you'll notice is your delts look more capped, i also noticed hair fell out more and libido went up a bit. so, i have no desire to run it anymore due to the hairloss but if i would run it again, disregarding hairloss, i think 600mg along with tren + other steroids would be best dosage for the money, if it's by itself or the base of a cycle, or money isn't an issue i'd run it at 200mg/day.

in your cycle, i think if you lower the test dosage and then swapped out the var/winny for anadrol you'd get better gains and look better, but if you are 10% bodyfat or higher drol isn't the best choice. real beast cycle though and it's fine the way it is, just i just don't like winny because it has a bad reputation for increasing chances of tearing muscles + it's hard on the lipid profile


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 03:04:41 AM
Hey bro,

Could you go into more detail about your experience with primo?  I always wrote it off as a "weak" drug for some reason.  After reading here and this thread, I am seriously considering using it.  Could you go into a littl more detail what your experience with it was and how you liked it? 

Come the spring time, I am considering the following cycle:

500mg test cyp or enanthate per week
600mg masteron per week
600mg primo per week
600mg tren per week
100mg anavar every day for 20 days
100mg winstrol (oral) everyday for 6 weeks
15-20iu gh every day
T3

That will be the most hardcore cycle I have ever done by far.  I am really considering competing again and trying to get in great conditioning and be rock solid.


Any thoughts?  Thanks

first... loose the var... that is for woman....
lol at someone telling you that var is better then primo... lolol...
second up the test! with that much hgh you can use more test....
third masterone is way to high! use msteron eod at 50 mg.... go from there and see what you look like.
4th.. NO STANOZOLOL!!!! it is worthless

you should use this:
test : 750mg/1500mg depending on your look.. start with 750 and work your way up...
primo: 1000 mg a week
tren A: 150 eod , go from there
masterone 50mg eod.
15 iu hgh a day..
then when you are lean.... 7% lean..... introduce anadrol.....
that is what you should do!!!
thank me later lol...




Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 03:13:54 AM
ok guys for the millionth time........ i'll say it again

READ THE BIBLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HE SAID IT AND ILL REPEAT THE REASON HE RECOMMENDED TEST DECA DBOL WAS BECAUSE IT WAS PHARM GRADE AND WAS EASIER TO GET LEGIT AND HE DID NOT WANT TO REVEAL ALL THE SECRETS AT ONCE

SO NOW HE IS GOING ALL OUT WITH THE SECRETS.

THERE IS YOUR ANSWER.

I am reading the bible mate, all this fuss is because I AM READING THE BIBLE!

It's not like gh15 was not revealing all the secrets, he had a totally change in substances.

In 2006/7 it was deca and dianabola without growth hormona and NEVER one should use anapolona or ganabola and only heretics would dare to shot trenbolona.

In 2011 it's blasfemie to even speak the word deca and growth hormona is a must. Today trenbolona is the base steroid starting to compete with the newcomer primobolana and don't forget the anadrola. The issue of availability or being pharma grade was never the issue.

It's like: "Ei GH15 how do i develop great legs?" and he says: "superset leg presses with lunges", but 5 years later he comes and say "no no no man, it's all about the squats bro"! that yes is true balonie.

The truth is out there...
 





Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 03:18:37 AM
hey bro

i'm in no way the premiere primo expert, i've not run it a lot nor for long periods of time but my brief experience with it is pretty similar to everyone else's and i have no real unique insight. running primo can be best described as EQ without the pumps, but instead giving a more continually full looking muscle belly along with really nice effects on the skin, best way i can describe that is better "hue" and glow - skin just looks healthier. it was ultimately derived from EQ, so it's pretty similar to it in anabolism/androgenic, though a bit less potent mg for mg and more androgenic.

i ran some from the "G" man, probably the best source that exists now, was mixed at 200mg/ml and gave a little pip, not unlike test-prop. no real drastic gains on it, nor do you really feel like you're "on" but first thing you'll notice is your delts look more capped, i also noticed hair fell out more and libido went up a bit. so, i have no desire to run it anymore due to the hairloss but if i would run it again, disregarding hairloss, i think 600mg along with tren + other steroids would be best dosage for the money, if it's by itself or the base of a cycle, or money isn't an issue i'd run it at 200mg/day.

in your cycle, i think if you lower the test dosage and then swapped out the var/winny for anadrol you'd get better gains and look better, but if you are 10% bodyfat or higher drol isn't the best choice. real beast cycle though and it's fine the way it is, just i just don't like winny because it has a bad reputation for increasing chances of tearing muscles + it's hard on the lipid profile
dude if you give advice... please know what you are talking about!
boldenone was created when scientists wanted to make an injectable version of dbol....
methenolone(primo) is not derived from boldonone man.... where did you get that info...
google some more before you give your expert advice... lol...
and var better then primo... lol.... sure...
go and use 100mg of var a day or 1000 mg a week of legit primo... have you done that?
go and tell me var is better...  ::) ::) ::) ::)
and stanozolol does not tear muscle... it is hard on tendons and joints! if you have actually used it ,you would know how that feels....
not hating here bro... but you are talking out of your ass....





Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 03:38:41 AM
about the deca.....
back in the day i stopped buying them.... both the yellows and they norma's....
90% is fake..... yes 90%!!
20 is alot i agree... someone close to a good source should pay no more then 10/12...
i used to pay around 6/7 lol......
20 euros for just 200mg of nandrolone is fucking ridiculous.... buy a good ugl product and you have 10ml of 300mg/ml of deca... for 35/40 euro's.... if your well connected even less...
that is why i say ugl = future....
hg prices will rise and rise....


When ugl = future

Antibiotics = future, you will need them to treat the abcesses and cysts that non-sterile ugl ampouls can give you.

Mega-dosing = future, i'm talking in the 10gram mark because ugl ampouls are so underdosed that 10grams will be equivalent to 750mg of good organon testoviron.

Go wise, go legit.



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: ChevChelios on February 08, 2012, 03:41:40 AM
abscess?I heard only rare case where stanozolol was used,cause winstrol injectable is micro-cristals in water.Fking painfull and some risk of abscess....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NotMrAverage on February 08, 2012, 03:48:40 AM
talked to a friend of mine yesterday who sells alot and he said 75% hg is faked nowadays and maybe 50% ugl...sounds quite right...hg was tons of fakes even 15 years ago...esp the norma deca or deca overall and primo...we would go and show our amps to van_b and he would always know...dead on all the time too...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 04:04:40 AM
talked to a friend of mine yesterday who sells alot and he said 75% hg is faked nowadays and maybe 50% ugl...sounds quite right...hg was tons of fakes even 15 years ago...esp the norma deca or deca overall and primo...we would go and show our amps to van_b and he would always know...dead on all the time too...
this!
finally someone that knows...!

these noobs think just because the have hg, it's real.. lol!!!
hg gear is faked more then ugl!
and there are good and sterile and correctly dosed ugl's out there...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 04:08:12 AM
abscess?I heard only rare case where stanozolol was used,cause winstrol injectable is micro-cristals in water.Fking painfull and some risk of abscess....
Never had a problem with zambon/desma winstrols, i used to shot them in my bi's and tri's. It's not even painfull.

Diamond pharma primo gave such an abcess that i had to skip work for a couple of days. Had to use painkillers.

Britishdragon andropen275 gave me a cyst in my left shoulder that is still there after 5 years.

Legit organon sustenon sometimes is painfull sometimes don't, i believe it has to do with the way i inject it.

norma decas, testoviron depot, testex elmu, primobolan depot never gave me either pain or problems, just good results.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 04:14:35 AM
When ugl = future

Antibiotics = future, you will need them to treat the abcesses and cysts that non-sterile ugl ampouls can give you.

Mega-dosing = future, i'm talking in the 10gram mark because ugl ampouls are so underdosed that 10grams will be equivalent to 750mg of good organon testoviron.

Go wise, go legit.


you are a little steroidvirgin aren't you..??  ;D ;D
hg gear is more faked then ugl's ..... get it???
15 years ago hg was faked, today it is faked.... 80% is fake!!!!
you act like hg gear is the holey grail or something....
i have been shooting up with my own cooked gear since 2006.. never , NEVER not once have i got an abcess, or cyste...
what gave me an inflamation though back in 2003 was sustanon , from organon... supposedly "legit" so go figure.... ::) ::)
i will not even mention the crapp that comes out of poland by the name of OMNADREN... crap of the highest degree... that crap is also considered hg .... i would not give it to my dog!!
there are good and reliable ugl's out there, correctly dosed, sterile and legit!
ugl = future.... remember these words.... look where ugl's have gone from 2005 up until now... that line of growth will only continue....



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 04:22:41 AM
Never had a problem with zambon/desma winstrols, i used to shot them in my bi's and tri's. It's not even painfull.

Diamond pharma primo gave such an abcess that i had to skip work for a couple of days. Had to use painkillers.

Britishdragon andropen275 gave me a cyst in my left shoulder that is still there after 5 years.

Legit organon sustenon sometimes is painfull sometimes don't, i believe it has to do with the way i inject it.

norma decas, testoviron depot, testex elmu, primobolan depot never gave me either pain or problems, just good results.
lol.. somebody had fake winni....
winstrol hurts , period!
you have to inject it with a thick needle.... as the cristals get stuck in the needle.... you push and push and then all at once, all comes out...! hurts like fucking hell!! everybody who used that crap knows what i mean..... lol...!
crap.... it's crap....
norma's are 90% fake... there is a ugl that makes them... has everyting in it though.... but it's fake lol...
testoviron.... mostly fake..... testex elmu also.... primo i would say today is 99% fake...
back in the day i bought it all from iran... had friends there.... test aburaihan, npp, anapolon great stuff....
turkey farmacia sold fake stuff.....
and that was back in 2004/2005.... imagine today....
hg gear has been faked forever.... nothing new....




Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 08, 2012, 04:44:55 AM
dude if you give advice... please know what you are talking about!
boldenone was created when scientists wanted to make an injectable version of dbol....
methenolone(primo) is not derived from boldonone man.... where did you get that info...
google some more before you give your expert advice... lol...
and var better then primo... lol.... sure...
go and use 100mg of var a day or 1000 mg a week of legit primo... have you done that?
go and tell me var is better...  ::) ::) ::) ::)
and stanozolol does not tear muscle... it is hard on tendons and joints! if you have actually used it ,you would know how that feels....
not hating here bro... but you are talking out of your ass....





practice what you preach, in my opinion. the more i read this, the more irritating it becomes because you typed about 50 words and yet you managed to say nothing in the process.
you say primo isn't derived from eq, but then where is it derived from? look at the chemical structure of primo and compare it to 1-test, then think about where 1-test comes from.

also, when someone tears their pec or bicep, what do you think they mean when they say that? is your pec or your bicep a tendon? no, obviously when people say they tear a muscle it's because the tendon was partially or fully torn. i have a partial tear in my rhomboid, keeps me from being able to really lift consistently, it's awful and i would never touch anything that would increase the chances of tearing a muscle because of how debilitating it is.

"not hating bro" but what you are an idiot.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 05:33:57 AM
practice what you preach, in my opinion. the more i read this, the more irritating it becomes because you typed about 50 words and yet you managed to say nothing in the process.
you say primo isn't derived from eq, but then where is it derived from? look at the chemical structure of primo and compare it to 1-test, then think about where 1-test comes from.

also, when someone tears their pec or bicep, what do you think they mean when they say that? is your pec or your bicep a tendon? no, obviously when people say they tear a muscle it's because the tendon was partially or fully torn. i have a partial tear in my rhomboid, keeps me from being able to really lift consistently, it's awful and i would never touch anything that would increase the chances of tearing a muscle because of how debilitating it is.

"not hating bro" but what you are an idiot.
well i have said nothing in my post? you abviously can't read then
i will say it again because you seem a bit slow.
lol... boldenone was created in an attempt to make a long esterified version of methandrostonolone.. so were the fuck do you think it is dirived from...??????
has nothing to do with methenolone.. Primo....
you say var is better then primo...lolol... sure.... ::) ::) ::)
and you say stanozolol increases the change of muscles to tear....it is bad on tendons and joints... not muscles.... muscles get stiff... but it's the tendons and joint that are damaged...
muscles tear because of reckless lifting...


and i praticed everything i preach.....
you have no clue.... and you are the idiot....

 



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: tupiniskin on February 08, 2012, 05:41:19 AM
IIRC, the body has 3 types of collagen, winny increase one of them (the bad one) who weaken ur tendons and joint, increasing the chances u have to get an injury.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 05:47:08 AM
you are a little steroidvirgin aren't you..??  ;D ;D
hg gear is more faked then ugl's ..... get it???
15 years ago hg was faked, today it is faked.... 80% is fake!!!!
you act like hg gear is the holey grail or something....
i have been shooting up with my own cooked gear since 2006.. never , NEVER not once have i got an abcess, or cyste...
what gave me an inflamation though back in 2003 was sustanon , from organon... supposedly "legit" so go figure.... ::) ::)
i will not even mention the crapp that comes out of poland by the name of OMNADREN... crap of the highest degree... that crap is also considered hg .... i would not give it to my dog!!
there are good and reliable ugl's out there, correctly dosed, sterile and legit!
ugl = future.... remember these words.... look where ugl's have gone from 2005 up until now... that line of growth will only continue....



Now underground stuff is better than legit steroids bought in farmacias. How cool is that?

Before you say that europe has the most severe strict rules when it comes to quality control but now you say that steroids sold in legal pharmacies in poland or some other european countries is counterfeit. How cool is that?

How cool is that for a drug dealer? just how cool is that?

i arrest my case.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 05:53:27 AM
Now underground stuff is better than legit steroids bought in farmacias. How cool is that?

Before you say that europe has the most severe strict rules when it comes to quality control but now you say that steroids sold in legal pharmacies in poland or some other european countries is counterfeit. How cool is that?

How cool is that for a drug dealer? just how cool is that?

i arrest my case.
first i was talking EU that is not the same as EUROPE....
Poland only recently joined the EU, and is still a shithole....
omnadren sucks and always was crap!
second i never said ugl is better, can you read??? i said hg gear is more faked then ugl's.... and hg gear always was faked... even 15/20 years ago....
and i said there are decent ugl's around....
drugdealer???? are you accusing me? PROOF!!! where do you have proof...??

oh and go and "arrest" your case lolol!
that sentence right there is PROOF that you are an idiot...  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 06:01:41 AM
lol.. somebody had fake winni....
winstrol hurts , period!
you have to inject it with a thick needle.... as the cristals get stuck in the needle.... you push and push and then all at once, all comes out...! hurts like fucking hell!! everybody who used that crap knows what i mean..... lol...!
crap.... it's crap....
norma's are 90% fake... there is a ugl that makes them... has everyting in it though.... but it's fake lol...
testoviron.... mostly fake..... testex elmu also.... primo i would say today is 99% fake...
back in the day i bought it all from iran... had friends there.... test aburaihan, npp, anapolon great stuff....
turkey farmacia sold fake stuff.....
and that was back in 2004/2005.... imagine today....
hg gear has been faked forever.... nothing new....




How could i have bought fake winstrol if it was bought in a legal pharmacia with prescription? How?

And the cristals beeing stucked in the needle? Are you for real? do you think that legit winstrol has like sand in it? Please bro give me a break...
I could give you a class about microns size of those cristals versus the 21-23G size of the needles but why bother...

I can understand that must be hard to get real steroids in the states but trying to discredit me claiming that winstrol has sand in it?
You can do better than that man!

Once again, kids are being deceived.

I guess BALONIE is just the right word for all this thread  :(



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 06:11:16 AM
How could i have bought fake winstrol if it was bought in a legal pharmacia with prescription? How?

And the cristals beeing stucked in the needle? Are you for real? do you think that legit winstrol has like sand in it? Please bro give me a break...
I could give you a class about microns size of those cristals versus the 21-23G size of the needles but why bother...

I can understand that must be hard to get real steroids in the states but trying to discredit me claiming that winstrol has sand in it?
You can do better than that man!

Once again, kids are being deceived.

I guess BALONIE is just the right word for all this thread  :(


you really are slow aren't you...??
i am not from usa... i am from europe....and live in Brasil...
i knew the big fish in europe...knew the situation
i know how stuff works in europe.... and yes in spain fake stuff was sold by farmacias...
and YES real winni has microcrystals... why do you think all the stanozolol sinks to the bottem of the vial?
it's not like sand dude, but try pinning it with a slin pin or a thin needle.... goodluck....
it gets clogged up, and you keep pushing and pushing and then all of a sudden it shoots out all at once.. fucking hurts like hell!!!!
i know of several top amatuers who got cysts because of that crap winnie... and that is because of injecting it every day by the vials like a top amateur does.... not like you eod 1 vial lol....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GmkjnL4EYw


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: apply85 on February 08, 2012, 06:38:47 AM
people really dont know how health care works

there was an article in ny times i think, it was an anonymous surveyr where 50% of hospitals admitted to buying black market drugs

their excuses?

its gray market not black - bs

there is a shortage, and we had to buy more expensive black market versions - black market more expensice? LOL

50% - the other 50% didnt believe in the anonymity of the article

first realize that black market drugs are cheaper, second realize that when drugs come in off the record then the revenue from them is off the record, then realize that the director of a hopsital gets his job and keeps his job based on how much money he makes... if u dont know what is going on u are blind

not only are anabolics faked in pharmacies, but people have died from fake cancer drugs in england already. it has to do with drug plants buying powders from china and china also being #1 source of counterfeit everything


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on February 08, 2012, 06:53:41 AM
I'm with Prime on this one. UGL DOES equal the future. Plain and simple. No if's, and's, or but's about it. What it boils down to is one damn thing and one damn thing only ... getting yourself a safe and reliable cook. I can assure you, Falco, that my products { especially my Tren } is not underdosed in any which way. Overdosed is more like it ! Hahahahaha. And if you can't get yourself a good cook, then cook the shit yourself. Much more affordable in the end. :-) :-)


My two cents.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 06:57:05 AM
I'm with Prime on this one. UGL DOES equal the future. Plain and simple. No if's, and's, or but's about it. What it boils down to is one damn thing and one damn thing only ... getting yourself a safe and reliable cook. I can assure you, Falco, that my products { especially my Tren } is not underdosed in any which way. Overdosed is more like it ! Hahahahaha. And if you can't get yourself a good cook, then cook the shit yourself. Much more affordable in the end. :-) :-)


My two cents.
i  "arrest" my case!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2012, 07:14:30 AM
i  "arrest" my case!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
good info into things here prime.....need to do research before even pinning now,,,,or your wasting money and time,,,depending on what u get real or bunk some might be better off clean/natural ;D...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 07:18:58 AM
good info into things here prime.....need to do research before even pinning now,,,,or your wasting money and time,,,depending on what u get real or bunk some might be better off clean/natural ;D...
well lot's of good ugl's around bro....
and here on getbig you can find all you need to know!
i was just making a point, some people think that before ugl's all hg was legit or something... and that fakes stuff is something of recent times...
lol... steroidmarket has forever been flooded with fakes...
where there is money, there are teh scambags....

besides.....natural????? naaah bro.... life is to short to be training and watching diet 24/7...1
lol better enjoy life a little more and do ped's... ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2012, 07:21:05 AM
well lot's of good ugl's around bro....
and here on getbig you can find all you need to know!
i was just making a point, some people think that before ugl's all hg was legit or something... and that fakes stuff is something of recent times...
lol... steroidmarket has forever been flooded with fakes...
where there is money, there are teh scambags....

besides.....natural????? naaah bro.... life is to short to be training and watching diet 24/7...1
lol better enjoy life a little more and do ped's... ;D ;D ;D ;D
cool,,,i here ya but training is a rush too,,,


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 08, 2012, 07:24:29 AM
How could i have bought fake winstrol if it was bought in a legal pharmacia with prescription? How?

And the cristals beeing stucked in the needle? Are you for real? do you think that legit winstrol has like sand in it? Please bro give me a break...
I could give you a class about microns size of those cristals versus the 21-23G size of the needles but why bother...

I can understand that must be hard to get real steroids in the states but trying to discredit me claiming that winstrol has sand in it?
You can do better than that man!

Once again, kids are being deceived.

I guess BALONIE is just the right word for all this thread  :(



ya, i agree with prime here, winstrol suspends very poorly. if you put it in a clear vial and let it sit for awhile you will see it crystallize and form on the bottom. anyway that it can be made it will be painful to some extent, either it will crash or it will need a lot of solvents to the point it will still hurt. some people get less PIP than others, i don't know why but since it was pharm grade it was probably made well and you might be one of the people who just doesn't get bad PIP. winstrol is the hardest to suspend oral, next is drol, then var, then dbol and tbol, but winstrol is going to hurt for most people and i don't see the point in injecting it rather than just eating more if someone is worried about bioavailability   


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 07:27:21 AM
cool,,,i here ya but training is a rush too,,,
yes i enjoy my training days as well... both of them..... lol..
hell i enjoy it so much sometimes i even train 3 times a week.... lol!!
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: njflex on February 08, 2012, 07:30:03 AM
yes i enjoy my training days as well... both of them..... lol..
hell i enjoy it so much sometimes i even train 3 times a week.... lol!!
 ;D ;D ;D
prick ;D....how ya looking theses days pic?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 07:38:20 AM
I hope GH15 doesn't read all this blasfemies!
Underground labs being better than legit steroids bought in legal pharmacies...

Then all hell will break loose!

I have access to legit primobolana depota but maybe i should avoid it and buy some weird 10ml bottle that say metenolone balonie for the same price. Because optimus knows how stuff works in europe...

I can't believe i have been wrong all those years,

i must have been just lucky to have had amazing results with legit pharmacie steroids, all fake off course.

Maybe it was the placebo effect and i am natural after all these shots.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: matrixgh on February 08, 2012, 07:45:45 AM
I remember 10 years ago when primo was made by Schering co.which is now made by Bayer alots of fakes was floating around and ppl was going with ugl like axio when the first came out, they're was making same quality as pharma grade, of course nowadays they're all pure crap


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 07:53:34 AM
I hope GH15 doesn't read all this blasfemies!
Underground labs being better than legit steroids bought in legal pharmacies...

Then all hell will break loose!

I have access to legit primobolana depota but maybe i should avoid it and buy some weird 10ml bottle that say metenolone balonie for the same price. Because optimus knows how stuff works in europe...

I can't believe i have been wrong all those years,

i must have been just lucky to have had amazing results with legit pharmacie steroids, all fake off course.

Maybe it was the placebo effect and i am natural after all these shots.
check the following link:
www.ineedtolearnhowtorea d.com


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 08, 2012, 07:56:10 AM
You're changing your agenda all the time. Back then it was all deca, huge dose (and every pro used it) according to you, then it was tren ace, then gh, now primo? Gosh. Just stick with one version, it's better for your image.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 08:01:42 AM
prick ;D....how ya looking theses days pic?
lol!
plenty of pics around here of me...
still 106 kilos... that is about 235 pounds i think... i am 6'2,5
feel great and light! maintaining this weight is easy for me, only test P and some NPP.
nice to have a break from being close to 120 kilos for years....

mma training gets ya lean.... ;D
but i have stopped, will be going back to bodybuilding.... i miss it...
waiting on some cash , and i am waiting till carnaval is done.... lol!!!
it's carnaval here.... PARTY!!  ;D ;D
but after that..... i plan a mutation cycle....
want to get to around 120 again, lean ofcourse....
at my height that is all i want.... no more... and i will not compete, i think...



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: apply85 on February 08, 2012, 08:12:55 AM
axio was a big deal when it came out, but if u look at its history, its not mystery why what happened happened


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 08:32:59 AM
You're changing your agenda all the time. Back then it was all deca, huge dose (and every pro used it) according to you, then it was tren ace, then gh, now primo? Gosh. Just stick with one version, it's better for your image.

I guess it could be the legit growth hormona that mutates your cell response to gear  :D.

Like: after you use gh your body will stop responding to deca, but will start to respond to trenbolona. Then, when you reach 15ius another mutation happens and your muscle cells start being hyper responsive to the weakest steroid around: primobolana!

Amazing!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 09:03:36 AM
I guess it could be the legit growth hormona that mutates your cell response to gear  :D.

Like: after you use gh your body will stop responding to deca, but will start to respond to trenbolona. Then, when you reach 15ius another mutation happens and your muscle cells start being hyper responsive to the weakest steroid around: primobolana!

Amazing!
immitation , the purest form of flattery.....  ;D ;D ;D

even people who make fun of gh15, talk just ike him.... lol!
stupid noobs!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 09:05:07 AM
I think he was making some kind of point ... :-\


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 09:07:19 AM
I think he was making some kind of point ... :-\
falco and making a point??? lol....
he is not capable of that.... for Falco is the real Bonobo here....


Falco now googling what the fuck a Bonobo is to give a response.... LOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Growth NOOB on February 08, 2012, 09:24:04 AM
Thanks for the info Aesthetic and Optimus.  You guys are both good dudes and knowledgeable.  No need to argue with one another.  If one of you was mistaken, it's no big deal.  You both provide a lot of good info here and it would benefit the board if both of you were on the same side.  I demand you make up right now  ;D


But in all seriousness, thanks for both of your inputs.  I have a few months to decide so I will keep everyone updated.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 09:32:24 AM
Thanks for the info Aesthetic and Optimus.  You guys are both good dudes and knowledgeable.  No need to argue with one another.  If one of you was mistaken, it's no big deal.  You both provide a lot of good info here and it would benefit the board if both of you were on the same side.  I demand you make up right now  ;D


But in all seriousness, thanks for both of your inputs.  I have a few months to decide so I will keep everyone updated.  Thanks!
i was not argueing... lol.. it's a forum.... and he is a cool dude... does not melt down...
Aesthetic talks out of his ass sometimes..... as do i.... no big deal....  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 09:34:33 AM
falco and making a point??? lol....
he is not capable of that.... for Falco is the real Bonobo here....


Falco now googling what the fuck a Bonobo is to give a response.... LOL!!!  ;D ;D ;D

Hahaha well one thing is surten...they can fuck like pornstars... ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 09:35:35 AM
Hahaha well one thing is surten...they can fuck like pornstars... ;D
;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 09:42:40 AM
I saw you posted something about training in a hardcore gym in the netherlands with the little room upstairs?
Is that gym in a town with starts with an A?...enquiring minds need to know... ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 10:35:17 AM
I saw you posted something about training in a hardcore gym in the netherlands with the little room upstairs?
Is that gym in a town with starts with an A?...enquiring minds need to know... ;D
well..... it's near a town that starts with an A... lol...
the town itself starts with a D... way up north ....   ;)
a lot of champs came from that gym.... and the gym itself was a small dungeon....
the connection was what it was all about... lol....
i am talking late 90's here....
after 2005 it all got fucked.... i think you know why....  ;)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 10:47:22 AM
Haha yup those were the good old days buddy!!

Maar jij woont niet meer in nederland als ik het goed begrijp toch?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: LurkerNoMore on February 08, 2012, 11:19:34 AM
I guess it could be the legit growth hormona that mutates your cell response to gear  :D.

Like: after you use gh your body will stop responding to deca, but will start to respond to trenbolona. Then, when you reach 15ius another mutation happens and your muscle cells start being hyper responsive to the weakest steroid around: primobolana!

Amazing!

LOL!!

Someone that sees through the pretend bullshit on here. 


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 08, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
Thanks for the info Aesthetic and Optimus.  You guys are both good dudes and knowledgeable.  No need to argue with one another.  If one of you was mistaken, it's no big deal.  You both provide a lot of good info here and it would benefit the board if both of you were on the same side.  I demand you make up right now  ;D


But in all seriousness, thanks for both of your inputs.  I have a few months to decide so I will keep everyone updated.  Thanks!

naw, wasn't a serious argument just difference in opinion, and since it's getbig a little trash talking was involved, lol.

the only real disagreement was whether var is better than primo and to be completely honest i don't think there is any single steroid that is unanimously the best because it is all so subjective and how people react to the sides or how well they individually gain off certain steroids. both var and primo are pretty similar, being mild steroids with subtle but important differences - mainly that var is less androgenic and better for a "beach body" aesthetically orientated physique. while primo makes the muscle bellies more full and gives the illusion of being bigger, which is really what professional bodybuilding is all about and why insulin and hgh have become the most important hormones of the current era.

on the issue of gains, the truth is that what steroids someone uses is really irrelevant, when diet and training are constant, the only thing that matters is total weekly MG dosages, and that includes hgh as you won't get bigger than a 70's physique without hgh and to a lesser extent slin.  


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 11:24:16 AM
Haha yup those were the good old days buddy!!

Maar jij woont niet meer in nederland als ik het goed begrijp toch?

nee ik zit in brazilie... thank god....!  ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 11:26:31 AM

nee ik zit in brazilie... thank god....!  ;D


De tering gozer...doe je goed... ;D
I would love to move to brasil but the thought of having even less money there than i have over here is scary... ;D

Did uoi move for busyness or for love?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 11:48:10 AM
De tering gozer...doe je goed... ;D
I would love to move to brasil but the thought of having even less money there than i have over here is scary... ;D

Did uoi move for busyness or for love?
loveeeeeeeeeeeeeee! hahahahaha..
i have a daughter here..... moved back to be with here... and take care of her...
you need less money here... and i make a decent living...
life = good!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Bonobo on February 08, 2012, 12:06:13 PM
 8)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 08, 2012, 01:19:57 PM
you really are slow aren't you...??
i am not from usa... i am from europe....and live in Brasil...
i knew the big fish in europe...knew the situation
i know how stuff works in europe.... and yes in spain fake stuff was sold by farmacias...


Fake winstrol was sold in pharmacies in spain? Are you delusional or you just take this intel out of your ass?
What the fuck do you think spain is? Angola or Mozambique? Who's the bonobo you ignorant?
Go and check your hemogenin source cause it has alucinogenics for sure!

And you can continue to discredit me all you want because getbigers can tell when a bullshitther is on the house

Still, my initial doubts about the bible remains because all that the elfs did was insult me and discredit me until i disapear.

Were's the balonie now?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 08, 2012, 03:11:58 PM
I've been considering adding primo to my gh/test/var stack. What's the word on pp's primo?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 08, 2012, 03:14:03 PM
I've been considering adding primo to my gh/test/var stack. What's the word on pp's primo?

g2g ;)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Voland on February 08, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
how are the primo stocks? Up and rising?

(http://www.scottonmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/stocks_board.jpg)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 03:27:38 PM
Fake winstrol was sold in pharmacies in spain? Are you delusional or you just take this intel out of your ass?
What the fuck do you think spain is? Angola or Mozambique? Who's the bonobo you ignorant?
Go and check your hemogenin source cause it has alucinogenics for sure!

And you can continue to discredit me all you want because getbigers can tell when a bullshitther is on the house

Still, my initial doubts about the bible remains because all that the elfs did was insult me and discredit me until i disapear.

Were's the balonie now?
yes there was... dumb dumd little man....
wake up....with EU regulations a lot of spain farmacias were not alowed anymore to sell their anabolics so freely...
government checked everything....
but all these tourist from all over europe kept coming....
along came achmed de dealer.... made a deal with farmacia man... and farmacia man kept selling ... not his legal stock, but achmed's stock, so no problems with government, and still his nice little extra money at the end of the month....
get it now??? get it how it works??
turkey same story....
everywhere where there is money to be made, you will have scambags!!!
here in brazilian farmacias are also fakes being sold...
it's usually the farmacia owner that wants to get rich.... over the backs of bodybuilders..
so hg gear is just as shady of a world as ugl's that is my whole point...
and btw i am not using hemo....

and your final sentence.....lololol!
"because all the elfs did was insult me and discredit me and bla bla bla"...????
stop crying like a little kid.... you asked , got answered... don't like the answer....? fuck off... ;D ;D

ps: do not take it to personal and please do not cry , ok?? ;)







Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 08, 2012, 03:35:08 PM
g2g ;)

Cool. I assume it's not ace though, right.

Man, at 100mg/ml I would need a ml/ed. To run this shit for 12 weeks it would cost me close to $600!!

Is it really worth it?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 04:06:19 PM
Cool. I assume it's not ace though, right.

Man, at 100mg/ml I would need a ml/ed. To run this shit for 12 weeks it would cost me close to $600!!

Is it really worth it?
bro depends what you are looking for.... your goals...
do you compete.... or not...
if you just want to be big and in shape and grow...
i would save that 600 and buy 600 dollars worth of hgh... lol!
nothing beats hgh....
buy the hgh... add test... get to 7% and boom add anadrol... cheap and it works!!!
 however if you are a mini pro or any competitor for that matter and compete ... primo is worth the money,
so depends on your situation really...
but hgh> everything else... lol...
you can look awesome on just hgh and test....
you want fullblown effect add tren...eq....
some ideas for ya to think about....
but primo is awesome.... it's expensive though real primo always was... and always will be...



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 08, 2012, 04:25:50 PM
Good reply Optimus. Thanks.

I'm definitely not interested in ever competing. I just want to walk around all day at 220/6%. Right now I'm at 205/10% with only a test cycle so far. I just started gh an will add test and var to that. I'm just trying to figure out what will get me to my goal outside of androgens (to avoid hairloss). Primo sounded real good but goddamn it's expensive.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 08, 2012, 04:29:17 PM
Good reply Optimus. Thanks.

I'm definitely not interested in ever competing. I just want to walk around all day at 220/6%. Right now I'm at 205/10% with only a test cycle so far. I just started gh an will add test and var to that. I'm just trying to figure out what will get me to my goal outside of androgens (to avoid hairloss). Primo sounded real good but goddamn it's expensive.
primo is a dht steroid... will cause hairloss... it stil an androgen..
ditch the var man and go for eq...
eq
test
tren
hgh...
all you will ever need to walk as a god among mortals...  ;)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 08, 2012, 04:36:59 PM
primo is a dht steroid... will cause hairloss... it stil an androgen..
ditch the var man and go for eq...
eq
test
tren
hgh...
all you will ever need to walk as a god among mortals...  ;)

I'm just going by what this guy I saying http://www.hairlossfromsteroids.com/Specific-Steroids-and-Hair-Loss.html 

According to him primo and var are ok, eq and tren are not.

Thoughts?

I just finally regrew some hair by aggressively applying nizoral, rogaine, and propecia. Not trying to lose it again.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 08, 2012, 04:41:06 PM
bro depends what you are looking for.... your goals...
do you compete.... or not...
if you just want to be big and in shape and grow...
i would save that 600 and buy 600 dollars worth of hgh... lol!
nothing beats hgh....
buy the hgh... add test... get to 7% and boom add anadrol... cheap and it works!!!
 however if you are a mini pro or any competitor for that matter and compete ... primo is worth the money,
so depends on your situation really...
but hgh> everything else... lol...
you can look awesome on just hgh and test....
you want fullblown effect add tren...eq....
some ideas for ya to think about....
but primo is awesome.... it's expensive though real primo always was... and always will be...



yeah i agree with every sentence of this. if you are on a budget get more HGH, but if money isn't a concern and only looking the best that you can is your concern, then get some primo. at least run it once to see what it's like.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 09, 2012, 01:59:08 AM
yes there was... dumb dumd little man....
wake up....with EU regulations a lot of spain farmacias were not alowed anymore to sell their anabolics so freely...
government checked everything....
but all these tourist from all over europe kept coming....
along came achmed de dealer.... made a deal with farmacia man... and farmacia man kept selling ... not his legal stock, but achmed's stock, so no problems with government, and still his nice little extra money at the end of the month....
get it now??? get it how it works??
turkey same story....
everywhere where there is money to be made, you will have scambags!!!
here in brazilian farmacias are also fakes being sold...
it's usually the farmacia owner that wants to get rich.... over the backs of bodybuilders..
so hg gear is just as shady of a world as ugl's that is my whole point...
and btw i am not using hemo....

and your final sentence.....lololol!
"because all the elfs did was insult me and discredit me and bla bla bla"...????
stop crying like a little kid.... you asked , got answered... don't like the answer....? fuck off... ;D ;D

ps: do not take it to personal and please do not cry , ok?? ;)







Lol, another steroid connections love story... and it has names and everything... Achmed... lol!

Why is it so important to you to make people believe that legit steroids are fake and underground steroids are the best?

And please don't compare brasil to spain in terms of legislation and corrupcy (and pretty much all other things).

And please don't compare spain to turkey, turkey is more arab than anything else (not judging).

And yes i am crying of laughter seeing this all little agendas

And NO, i didn't got answered. Nobody still has told me why anadrol, trenbolone and equipoise wheren't choices in 2007 and in 2011 they are simply the best steroids a bodybuilder can use.

I DIDN'T GOT ANSWERED, and you are still trying to diminish me and insult me.

And optimus, just another silly question: If you are not a dealer how come you claim to know so much about steroid connections in europe?

I'm just a people's fella that buy small quantities of steroids for personal use and i am spreading the word how to do it in southern europe, but you seem to be the only one offended by it. Why is that?

É fodido descobrirem-te a careca! Mas não leves a mal somos todos amigos, o mundo precisa de traficantes.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 05:34:29 AM
Lol, another steroid connections love story... and it has names and everything... Achmed... lol!

Why is it so important to you to make people believe that legit steroids are fake and underground steroids are the best?

And please don't compare brasil to spain in terms of legislation and corrupcy (and pretty much all other things).

And please don't compare spain to turkey, turkey is more arab than anything else (not judging).

And yes i am crying of laughter seeing this all little agendas

And NO, i didn't got answered. Nobody still has told me why anadrol, trenbolone and equipoise wheren't choices in 2007 and in 2011 they are simply the best steroids a bodybuilder can use.

I DIDN'T GOT ANSWERED, and you are still trying to diminish me and insult me.

And optimus, just another silly question: If you are not a dealer how come you claim to know so much about steroid connections in europe?

I'm just a people's fella that buy small quantities of steroids for personal use and i am spreading the word how to do it in southern europe, but you seem to be the only one offended by it. Why is that?

É fodido descobrirem-te a careca! Mas não leves a mal somos todos amigos, o mundo precisa de traficantes.


nao so trafficante .... eu ganho minha grana fazendo cobranças.... ja falei isso 1000 vezes ...
entao ja basta , ok?
if you call me a dealer prove it!! portugues burro....... ;)

and why do you keep saying i said hg gear is not as good as ugl?????
READ for gods sake!!!!
you are the one that thinks just because you buy from a farmacia and buy hg gear that it's guarenteed real....
well, it's not.....
i never said ugl is better!!!!!! i said good ugl = good hg.... the SAME it's just ugl will be cheaper.... get it now????
hg gear is just as much , if not more faked!!! was 15 years ago and still is....
and you do not really think achmed was a real name now, do you?.... i made it up just for the sake of the story, to explain to a steroid noob how it works....
if i would say real names, people would be in trouble....
ok turkey is not arabic... !! they do not even talk arabic....they speak Turkish, you are really stupid...
turkey is more european then arabic... just because the islam is their relegion does not make them arabic... lol... i had turkish friends, call a turk an arab and see what happens.... Do tape it and put it on youtube so we can have a laugh at your expense here on the Thunderdome, ok?
and where did i compare countries? i said fakes are being sold in brazilian farmacia's as well..... like in spain at the time.... ofcourse not all farmacia's but fakes are being sold. not comparing , just pointing something out here, spain is a different country... but still fakes were being sold...
there was research being done in europe by the NECEDO (antidopingagency) they researched black market of anabolics at the time , must have been 2005 or something... conclusion... 80% was fake!!! so there you go.... and do not think for one second some legal farmacia were not into black market...!!!!!!
where there is money= scambags.... understand????
and my connections to the european black market... well being around mr Universe, all kinds of National Champs, Elite Amateurs, Pro's.... that helps... i knew people .... the big fish.... they were friends of some real close friends of mine...
connected everywhere.... egypt, iran, turkey, spain, poland, germany... etc etc...
i never sold.... not my thing... i got my shit cheap though... that was nice!!!
and snce 2006 i cooked all my own stuff! never used hg gear since that time.... can't say i missed it... ;)
see i do not sell , i USE... the fact i pay fuck all for my gear is enough for me...
i make my money doing other stuff not bb related...
i love bodybuilding , and i just know a lot about the chemical side of it... learned from being there and doing it...
learned at a young age what was the essence of bb....
an elite bb once said to me... when i told him i love to be in shape and be big....
he said, "yes but what does that have to do with bodybuilding competition???"
"want to be a champ... use as much drugs as your body can handle, and get as big and conditioned as you can..."
i stopped competing after that lol....
and your question has been answered allready a few times... you are just to busy following me around to notice....

What do you do when a Portugues throws a handgranade at you????
You yank out the pin, and throw it back......  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: no one on February 09, 2012, 05:45:07 AM
I'm just going by what this guy I saying http://www.hairlossfromsteroids.com/Specific-Steroids-and-Hair-Loss.html 

According to him primo and var are ok, eq and tren are not.

Thoughts?

I just finally regrew some hair by aggressively applying nizoral, rogaine, and propecia. Not trying to lose it again.

can you outline this please. i have noticed thinning. am using nizoral, minoxidil and finastride.  just wondering how you are dosing it when you say 'aggressively'


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 06:02:20 AM
I'm just going by what this guy I saying http://www.hairlossfromsteroids.com/Specific-Steroids-and-Hair-Loss.html 

According to him primo and var are ok, eq and tren are not.

Thoughts?

I just finally regrew some hair by aggressively applying nizoral, rogaine, and propecia. Not trying to lose it again.
androgens cause hairloss... period.... one more so than others... but all do...
only deca in low dose will not harm your scalp very much.... but having a full head of hair and a limp dick is not what you want either lol!
finasteride blocks a lot of the conversion to dht from test... but not all!!!!
primo is a dht steroid and WILL cause hairloss....
eq will not cause a lot of hairloss, so another one you could try....
but on a whole.... the more androgenic the steroid the faster hair will go....
want to be big , but are prone to mpb....???? you are fucked..... ;D ;D
go huge and bald... or stay small with a receding hairline.... lol!!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: njflex on February 09, 2012, 06:35:55 AM
androgens cause hairloss... period.... one more so than others... but all do...
only deca in low dose will not harm your scalp very much.... but having a full head of hair and a limp dick is not what you want either lol!
finasteride blocks a lot of the conversion to dht from test... but not all!!!!
primo is a dht steroid and WILL cause hairloss....
eq will not cause a lot of hairloss, so another one you could try....
but on a whole.... the more androgenic the steroid the faster hair will go....
want to be big , but are prone to mpb....???? you are fucked..... ;D ;D
go huge and bald... or stay small with a receding hairline.... lol!!

in a nutshell,,,


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 07:08:22 AM
in a nutshell,,,
could be i am letting something out...
but my experience is this...
i knew some dudes that were prone to mpb..... in the end they all had to make the choice lol!!
bald & huge
hair(well whatever still was there, lolol!) % little sissy cycles and small....
remember if you are prone you WILL loose your hair no matter what..... steroids just speed up the process so to speak...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 09, 2012, 08:21:51 AM
could be i am letting something out...
but my experience is this...
i knew some dudes that were prone to mpb..... in the end they all had to make the choice lol!!
bald & huge
hair(well whatever still was there, lolol!) % little sissy cycles and small....
remember if you are prone you WILL loose your hair no matter what..... steroids just speed up the process so to speak...


How small is small? If I diet and train right I can't get to 220/6% with gh/test/var at good doses for a while? If not, then I guess you're right, bald and big it is, although I look horrible without hair.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 09, 2012, 08:26:34 AM
can you outline this please. i have noticed thinning. am using nizoral, minoxidil and finastride.  just wondering how you are dosing it when you say 'aggressively'

Well, aggressive as in applying all 3 at the same time consistently. I never missed a rogaine application, did it twice a day. Finasteride at 1.25mg Ed, and nizoral at least 3 times a week. Leave the shampoo on as long as possible, even overnight if you can. I don't have hair like when I was 17, but man within 3 months of this shit, I have hair like I did a few years ago. Shit worked real well for me.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 09, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
nao so trafficante .... eu ganho minha grana fazendo cobranças.... ja falei isso 1000 vezes ...
entao ja basta , ok?
if you call me a dealer prove it!! portugues burro....... ;)

and why do you keep saying i said hg gear is not as good as ugl?????
READ for gods sake!!!!
you are the one that thinks just because you buy from a farmacia and buy hg gear that it's guarenteed real....
well, it's not.....
i never said ugl is better!!!!!! i said good ugl = good hg.... the SAME it's just ugl will be cheaper.... get it now????
hg gear is just as much , if not more faked!!! was 15 years ago and still is....
and you do not really think achmed was a real name now, do you?.... i made it up just for the sake of the story, to explain to a steroid noob how it works....
if i would say real names, people would be in trouble....
ok turkey is not arabic... !! they do not even talk arabic....they speak Turkish, you are really stupid...
turkey is more european then arabic... just because the islam is their relegion does not make them arabic... lol... i had turkish friends, call a turk an arab and see what happens.... Do tape it and put it on youtube so we can have a laugh at your expense here on the Thunderdome, ok?
and where did i compare countries? i said fakes are being sold in brazilian farmacia's as well..... like in spain at the time.... ofcourse not all farmacia's but fakes are being sold. not comparing , just pointing something out here, spain is a different country... but still fakes were being sold...
there was research being done in europe by the NECEDO (antidopingagency) they researched black market of anabolics at the time , must have been 2005 or something... conclusion... 80% was fake!!! so there you go.... and do not think for one second some legal farmacia were not into black market...!!!!!!
where there is money= scambags.... understand????
and my connections to the european black market... well being around mr Universe, all kinds of National Champs, Elite Amateurs, Pro's.... that helps... i knew people .... the big fish.... they were friends of some real close friends of mine...
connected everywhere.... egypt, iran, turkey, spain, poland, germany... etc etc...
i never sold.... not my thing... i got my shit cheap though... that was nice!!!
and snce 2006 i cooked all my own stuff! never used hg gear since that time.... can't say i missed it... ;)
see i do not sell , i USE... the fact i pay fuck all for my gear is enough for me...
i make my money doing other stuff not bb related...
i love bodybuilding , and i just know a lot about the chemical side of it... learned from being there and doing it...
learned at a young age what was the essence of bb....
an elite bb once said to me... when i told him i love to be in shape and be big....
he said, "yes but what does that have to do with bodybuilding competition???"
"want to be a champ... use as much drugs as your body can handle, and get as big and conditioned as you can..."
i stopped competing after that lol....
and your question has been answered allready a few times... you are just to busy following me around to notice....

What do you do when a Portugues throws a handgranade at you????
You yank out the pin, and throw it back......  ;D ;D ;D

Perché mi stai chiamando portoghese?

I don't have nothing against turkish or arabs or anyone else (i mean the people) but if someday you have an opportunity to visit turkey (beautiful country) you will understand the difference between them and the central europe countries.

I have been in Recife, Pernambuco some years ago. I didn't drank water for 12 days, just caipirinha, Skol and coconuts :P. and picanha of course for protein ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 08:49:22 AM
How small is small? If I diet and train right I can't get to 220/6% with gh/test/var at good doses for a while? If not, then I guess you're right, bald and big it is, although I look horrible without hair.
sure.... but the nasty look that is required to compete at a high level today.... requires high dose androgens..... so there goes your hair.. lol!
and btw whats your height.... must be about 6' or more....
5'9 or something like that and 220 at 6% requires a lot more then gh/test/and var....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 09, 2012, 08:51:50 AM
sure.... but the nasty look that is required to compete at a high level today.... requires high dose androgens..... so there goes your hair.. lol!
and btw whats your height.... must be about 6' or more....
5'9 or something like that and 220 at 6% requires a lot more then gh/test/and var....


I'm 5'10.5". Definitely no aspirations to ever compete. 220/6% has always been my goal, but I'll settle for 210-215/6% if it means I get to keep my hair.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: The_Iron_Disciple on February 09, 2012, 08:52:13 AM


learned at a young age what was the essence of bb....
an elite bb once said to me... when i told him i love to be in shape and be big....
he said, "yes but what does that have to do with bodybuilding competition???"
"want to be a champ... use as much drugs as your body can handle, and get as big and conditioned as you can..."




Truer words have never been spoken. This sums up bb'ing completely .


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Omega on February 09, 2012, 08:55:47 AM
I found primo very mild on the scalp.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 09:12:05 AM
Perché mi stai chiamando portoghese?

I don't have nothing against turkish or arabs or anyone else (i mean the people) but if someday you have an opportunity to visit turkey (beautiful country) you will understand the difference between them and the central europe countries.

I have been in Recife, Pernambuco some years ago. I didn't drank water for 12 days, just caipirinha, Skol and coconuts :P. and picanha of course for protein ;D

lol the way you wrote portugues is not brazilian.... it's correct portuguese from portugal... ;D
i have no intention of ever visiting that shithole Turkey..... lots of turks in the Netherlands and they have ruined every intention to ever visit their home country for me.... lol... same reason you will never see me in marocco.....  ;)
you said Turkey was an arab country, well it's not! that's all i was saying....

skol is the better cerveja here, agreed! lol! and nothing beats a good picanha! 8)



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: JAM on February 09, 2012, 10:38:13 AM
Bro, you gotta know where to go in Turkey man.   8)  Antalya is nice, lots of beach, mountains, and 5 star luxury hotels.  Check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2EzCvfsKWU


 ;D


But back to Primobolan.  From what I have read, it always fascinated me because it seems to not effect cholesterol HDL/LDL levels and has very little to no sides.  So it seems primo is a good choice for long term use. 

Did we ever get a list of trusted UGL's?  Figured that may help folks out since this is supposed to be a bible entry. 

Also I had read that primo injects hurt a bunch compared to other stuff.  Is this really true?  Any tricks to dampen that effect?  Or is it due to bad injection methods / non sterile crap gear?

I also saw where it was stated you need 600mg and up.  Could you also supplement with primo tabs?  How effective are the tabs?  Like 100mg a day you absorb how much roughly?  half? 

Hope my questions help for anyone considering primo.   ;)







Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 11:53:28 AM
Bro, you gotta know where to go in Turkey man.   8)  Antalya is nice, lots of beach, mountains, and 5 star luxury hotels.  Check it out...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2EzCvfsKWU


 ;D


But back to Primobolan.  From what I have read, it always fascinated me because it seems to not effect cholesterol HDL/LDL levels and has very little to no sides.  So it seems primo is a good choice for long term use. 

Did we ever get a list of trusted UGL's?  Figured that may help folks out since this is supposed to be a bible entry. 

Also I had read that primo injects hurt a bunch compared to other stuff.  Is this really true?  Any tricks to dampen that effect?  Or is it due to bad injection methods / non sterile crap gear?

I also saw where it was stated you need 600mg and up.  Could you also supplement with primo tabs?  How effective are the tabs?  Like 100mg a day you absorb how much roughly?  half? 

Hope my questions help for anyone considering primo.   ;)






yes beautyfull places indeed bro... but you know what ruins it for me?? there are turks there....
marocco, same story it's the marrocans that ruin it, tunesia, egypt...etc...all those places, i would not wnat te be found dead there.... ever!  
same for dutch antillen...
i worked in the dutch nightlife as a bouncer... seen to much stuff... i know i am generalising, but just seen to much, and 9 out of 10 times it were punks from the before mentioned groups... i am sure my felow dutchies know what i mean....
when i hear a turkish accent , or maroccan(arab), or antillen.... my bp goes way up!
and this is from someone who has arab , turkish and antillian friends btw, before someone puts a racist label on me.... there are good individuals.. just as a whole these groups suck! just a fact of life, at least in the Netherlands
and as i believe that traveling should be fun and relaxing, i prefere to save myself the stress and high bloodpressure,...  ;D ;D ;D

ok, primo,
yes it's mild on cholesterol levels.
all injections can hurt a little the first time.... afterwards your body addapts...
primo tabs??? well..... mmmm no!
if you can get injectable always choose injectable!
if i use oxy or dbol.... i make them injectable! i like it all better injectable....no scientific proof that backs up my claims...
just my experience... it gets straight were it needs to be , in the muscle!
dosage:
at about 600 mg a week it begins to have a good effect....





Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: JAM on February 09, 2012, 12:02:50 PM
Sorry to hear you had crappy experiences with those folks.  I don't think you are racists.  I think you just had bad luck and met crappy people.  I only know a few Turkish and Arab people and they are all very nice, easy going, and would help anyone who ask them.  But they also live here in USA.  So maybe it is different elsewhere in the world, in fact I'm sure it is.

Thanks for the Primo info, I guess shots plus tabs is a waste by the sound of it.  Now the trick is finding legit product.  All the folks I know locally basically say primo in any form is about as rare as hens teeth.   :'(

Wonder if anyone has insight as to why some website says primo hurts so much?  I just figured people are doing it wrong.  I had to take allergy shots (on in each arm) once a week for years till the allergies when away.  Granted it was an insulin needled (sub-Q) and not a muscle shot but dude... it wasn't rocket science. 


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 12:07:38 PM
Sorry to hear you had crappy experiences with those folks.  I don't think you are racists.  I think you just had bad luck and met crappy people.  I only know a few Turkish and Arab people and they are all very nice, easy going, and would help anyone who ask them.  But they also live here in USA.  So maybe it is different elsewhere in the world, in fact I'm sure it is.

Thanks for the Primo info, I guess shots plus tabs is a waste by the sound of it.  Now the trick is finding legit product.  All the folks I know locally basically say primo in any form is about as rare as hens teeth.   :'(

Wonder if anyone has insight as to why some website says primo hurts so much?  I just figured people are doing it wrong.  I had to take allergy shots (on in each arm) once a week for years till the allergies when away.  Granted it was an insulin needled (sub-Q) and not a muscle shot but dude... it wasn't rocket science. 
it's a dutch problem.... all these lowlifes come to the Netherlands because they are given everything they want and need.....
as i said i know i am generalising... that is wrong... but i just saw to much.... for me it's ruined! lol...

about the primo, my guess is it's soluble less in oil then other steroids....
you can almost only get it in a 100mg/ml solution...
less soluble=thicker solution... i remember the original scherings always had thick oil....
thick oil hurts a little more.... my guess...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 09, 2012, 01:15:33 PM
I have family in germany and turkish population there is a problem also. If you have a beef with a german he talks to solve things, a turk grabs his kebab knife and fucks you up (if he can).
But usually is an intimidation game. Were i live there are some gypsy bullies but if you show your balls all their courage goes away. Most times that is; sometimes is wiser to get the fuck out of there. :D One should never mistake bravery with dumbness.

I have been in marocco and didn't like it a bit. Everybody looks at you like you are guilty of something and tries to sell you stuff. Plus there is a constant camel smell everywere.

Primobolana: hurts more than deca, less than sustenon
Health problems maybe prostate enlargement and some hairloss. And the usual heart enlargement.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 01:32:58 PM
I have family in germany and turkish population there is a problem also. If you have a beef with a german he talks to solve things, a turk grabs his kebab knife and fucks you up (if he can).
But usually is an intimidation game. Were i live there are some gypsy bullies but if you show your balls all their courage goes away. Most times that is; sometimes is wiser to get the fuck out of there. :D One should never mistake bravery with dumbness.

I have been in marocco and didn't like it a bit. Everybody looks at you like you are guilty of something and tries to sell you stuff. Plus there is a constant camel smell everywere.

Primobolana: hurts more than deca, less than sustenon
Health problems maybe prostate enlargement and some hairloss. And the usual heart enlargement.
lol...!!!
the fuckers only have a big mouth when in groups or armed.... alone and unarmed they are the biggest pussies!
i had maroccan and palestino friends, they themselves were ashamed of how most maroccan and other arab people behaved themselves in the Netherlands.
turks are big con artists, they screw over their best friends to make a dime....
again i am generalising here..... but in 90% of the cases i am right...


about the primo.... agreed..
but the heart getting bigger is due to the strenght training itself.....
naturals get a bigger hart as well.... athletes hart....
only dangerous when you have some underlying heart problem.... with an otherwise healthy hart no problemo...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Omega on February 09, 2012, 04:47:38 PM
Primo has never really hurt me, injection wise (pharma) and I have years of experience with it.
Most it can be suspended in with relative comfort by brewing is 125mg/ml after that it just plain hurts. Thats the figure we got to after many attempts.
Also with it being a DHT derivative I can understand the assumption that it is harsh on the hair (as with stanz) but I think it really differs from person to person. I find them both easy on the scalp.

Trenbolone however theoretically converting to DHN should be the lesser of the two evils however it made me shed like nothing else.
It boils down for me to the strength of androgenicity of the compound = hair loss....for myself.


I love the stuff. Its amazing.
Shame that most of it is bunk.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 04:51:53 PM
Primo has never really hurt me, injection wise (pharma) and I have years of experience with it.
Most it can be suspended in with relative comfort by brewing is 125mg/ml after that it just plain hurts. Thats the figure we got to after many attempts.
Also with it being a DHT derivative I can understand the assumption that it is harsh on the hair (as with stanz) but I think it really differs from person to person. I find them both easy on the scalp.

Trenbolone however theoretically converting to DHN should be the lesser of the two evils however it made me shed like nothing else.
It boils down for me to the strength of androgenicity of the compound = hair loss....for myself.


I love the stuff. Its amazing.
Shame that most of it is bunk.
yes it is very very personal....
but primo is a great drug..... best steroid hands down... my personal experience...


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: 5antasy on February 09, 2012, 04:59:13 PM
yes it is very very personal....
but primo is a great drug..... best steroid hands down... my personal experience...

Wow. What about it makes it your favorite, especially to warrant the cost?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 05:13:20 PM
Wow. What about it makes it your favorite, especially to warrant the cost?
on primo you get a very specific look.....
it's like nandrolone but without the nasty water retention..
and on primo , i swear my muscles looked full!! can't explain it, just am telling you guys what i noticed and felt....
also i love the way it makes me feel.... it's like seeing life thru colored sunglasses.. lol... you feel happy and warm....
every lb you gain on primo is hard defined muscle... so while you are not packing on the pounds you gain solid quality, and isn't that what it's all about?
i mean on a cycle of primo , low test and some tren you gain less in pounds then on a cycle of dbol , deca and 2 grams of test... but!!
get rid of the water retention and you are left with what??? about the same , just it looks less hard...
i love products like
primo
eq
tren
that is what you build quality with...
you then play with test and oxy....
ofcourse hgh all you can afford....
but in combination with above mentioned steroids....
you look like advanced bodybuilder...
5-10 iu = berry de mey/bob paris
10-15 iu = haney/ early yates
15-30 current crop of pro's
special catagory = 30 plus = marcus ruhl and friends... but you can see how you end up in the end....
fubar! lol... marcus is falling apart.... lol....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 09, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
Anyone have any experience with Primo Acetate tabs?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 09, 2012, 08:42:04 PM
Anyone have any experience with Primo Acetate tabs?
no!
and bro, why would you want to, if you can inject it?????
injection>swallowing.... this sounds so wrong, in so many ways.... lol!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
i meant to say injection is far better then taking the steroid orally....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Schmoe Buster on February 09, 2012, 08:44:53 PM
no!
and bro, why would you want to, if you can inject it?????
injection>swallowing.... this sounds so wrong, in so many ways.... lol!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
i meant to say injection is far better then taking the steroid orally....


I agree, im injecting Primo now ;D just was wondering if the tabs are in anyway effective


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: prophecy on February 09, 2012, 09:41:36 PM
no!
and bro, why would you want to, if you can inject it?????
injection>swallowing.... this sounds so wrong, in so many ways.... lol!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
i meant to say injection is far better then taking the steroid orally....


he is asking about the tabs because they are primo ACE. and the only inject available for a certain source is not ACE

id rather inject too, but still curious is the ace pills are effective


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 05:41:29 AM
he is asking about the tabs because they are primo ACE. and the only inject available for a certain source is not ACE

id rather inject too, but still curious is the ace pills are effective
i know, but primo = primo....
only the ester is different...
however.... with tren.... it does make a difference..... i do not know why....
i have used tren E, and it's great... but nowhere near as effective as tren A....
but once the ester is taken away, what you re left with is the same hormone... so makes no sense...
still i know what i experienced.... strange...

and of course pills are effective to a point... but! a lot gets rendered useless when passing the stomach/gut/liver....
injection is by far the more effective way of administering steroids....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 10, 2012, 08:38:47 AM
Money wise, if one could shot 3iu of growth instead of 100mg of primobolan depot what would be your choice, in a protocol with no growth hormone to begin with?

Like let's say instead of 1200mg primo/250 test a week only, use 500mg primo/250 test and add 3iu a day using the money i had for the primo?

Or something different but with the same substances

I don't know if you all can catch my drift ;).

Note: Test dosage cannot increase due to gyno sensitivity, anti-es help but not totaly

Thank you all


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: ChevChelios on February 10, 2012, 08:50:43 AM
i know, but primo = primo....
only the ester is different...
however.... with tren.... it does make a difference..... i do not know why....
i have used tren E, and it's great... but nowhere near as effective as tren A....
but once the ester is taken away, what you re left with is the same hormone... so makes no sense...
still i know what i experienced.... strange...

and of course pills are effective to a point... but! a lot gets rendered useless when passing the stomach/gut/liver....
injection is by far the more effective way of administering steroids....

God fucking right!

Used 600 mg of tren-e versus 350(100 eod) of tren-a.Same novocrine.Let's just say tren-a just blows up tren-e.Don't know why,never sweat on tren-e,it gave strength,vascularity,little rage(more like being a jackass) but that's about it.Since tren-a better vascularity,same strength,night sweats(first week had to change 2 set per night lol),more agresivity.I cannot imagine what 100 mg ED will do,will try that in a month  :D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 09:38:42 AM
God fucking right!

Used 600 mg of tren-e versus 350(100 eod) of tren-a.Same novocrine.Let's just say tren-a just blows up tren-e.Don't know why,never sweat on tren-e,it gave strength,vascularity,little rage(more like being a jackass) but that's about it.Since tren-a better vascularity,same strength,night sweats(first week had to change 2 set per night lol),more agresivity.I cannot imagine what 100 mg ED will do,will try that in a month  :D
yeah and the magic number is 5!
i slept exactly 5 hours every fucking night on tren A....
after 5 hours i would wake up...5 hours of sleep, on the minute... serious lol!!!
and yeah on tren i am a total paranoid douche.... i can control it ofcourse, but after a few months on it , that gets tiring!
and if people knew what i was thinking during a typical day..... lol.... i would be sent off to a psych ward.....
it was really hard on my relationship at the time.... really hard... i was very edgy, very short tempered.... altough i could control it, living with me was not easy....
my next attempt to mutate will not include tren....

primo/eq cycling the two.... the cycle will be an endless one ofcourse....
low dose test, and playing with the low dose.... depend on look..
masterone/proviron for water retention problems and libido...
hgh start at 5iu work my way up as high as my wallet allows
oxy as a fill r up! lol...

my starting point is now about 106 kilos...
single digits
been on testP and NPP at girlyman doses for about 6 months now.... a nice break from heavy cycling.
want to be around 115/120 single digits....
tall , huge and lean.....
not looking to compete.....maybe a male physique competition though.....
it's really the 80's look.....!! they just need to lose the boardshorts.... and go for tight mma type of shorts.... much better... legs and ass do matter on the beach ..... ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 10, 2012, 09:49:26 AM
primobolana if legit is one of the biggest anabolic agents you can ever find,, along with hgh and trenbolona it transfer you into a very eficitn muscle machine,, tight large thick and dense ,, sharpness and actual lean muscle growth development from the inside of the muscle with no water retention on the outside what so ever


now! the trick with primobolana that no one will tell you ,, and this is a main trick of lay nortom and rest of the fake natural gang is as folow,,

they use PRIMOBOLANA ACATATO! NOT DEPOT NOT LONG ESTER BUT SHORT ESTER THAT LAST 1-2 DAYS,, they use an injectable version of the tablet from the past those old tablet from turky ,, this ! is what caused s quick and efective muscle growth and from the inside out while tightening the bodybuild up and sharpening him getting detail out ,, ofcourse water is also dependent of hgh ...and testosterona and anadrola and many otheer anabolic steroid,, but! when it come to primobolana ACATATO ! this is the main secret of fake natural along with trenbolona acatato

the changed with primbolona short ester are very fast,, it cause female to actualy look like bodybuild,, it make them tight hard and increase muscle diameter all same time ,, same with male bodybuild

we use alot of primobolna acatato ,, between 600 to 1500 mg a week and it deliver amazing amazing  result when go with trenbolona and hgh but also by itself IF LEGIT

the legitimcay of the product primobolana is alway sin question this is why i only recomend top chefs thaty i approved before for purchasing this from ,, you do not just buy it for 40 dolaros doesnt work this way ,, it is the magic aas in a bottle


primobolana is only second to trenbolona and! it is magic in a bottle same as hgh

it need to be done right ,, 200 mg every 2 day or 200 mg every day ,, then you see very quick how head get small and body gets large and incharge ,, ofcourse together with human growth hormone  you become top amatuer super fast


1000 mg of legit primobolana acatato

15 iu of legit gh

200 mg of legit testosterona

500-1000 mg of trenbolona

and few more products create MANY MANY TOP AMATUERS YOU SEE IN THE PAST AND ALSO NOW DAY ,, THE PROBLEM AS ALWYS NOW DAY IS WITH INSULINA ABUSE


gh15 approved/bible indx

Ten pages of a "fact" we've know for 30 fugging years. Prima was Grymko's favorite. Arnold as well. Arnold's stack according to people who know him was prima and d-bol.

Jeez how about actually teaching us something we don't already know. How does 30 year old info warrant 10 pages?

 


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: apply85 on February 10, 2012, 09:51:57 AM
Ten pages of a "fact" we've know for 30 fugging years. Prima was Grymko's favorite. Arnold as well. Arnold's stack according to people who know him was prima and d-bol.

Jeez how about actually teaching us something we don't already know. How does 30 year old info warrant 10 pages?

 

ilove u how u say yeah yeah we all know this as fact and then repeat a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 10, 2012, 12:19:45 PM
i love u how u say yeah yeah we all know this as fact and then repeat a bunch of unsubstantiated rumors

Since I've sat across a kitchen table with Pete on many occasions and saw the prima on the table... It's not a rumor to me. True I cannot produce "proof".

Arnold spoke about using prima in articles that appeared in Muscle Builder Power (the Weider predecessor of Muscle & Fitness and/or Flex). I guess Arnold writing it in an international publication does translate into an unsubstantiated rumor. Friends of mine trained with him and have confirmed this... sure technically hearsay but not 4 and 5 people removed and not a contradiction of what Arnold wrote.

Remember the climate and laws were much different then. People were much more open. Pete would walk up to people he just met and start talking about his menu of what he called "medication".



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: apply85 on February 10, 2012, 12:23:21 PM
u know how much bs has been written in publications by bbers? dont u remember how arnold likes to give wrong advises to his competition? can u name a credible bber besides gh15?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 10, 2012, 12:56:52 PM
u know how much bs has been written in publications by bbers? dont u remember how arnold likes to give wrong advises to his competition? can u name a credible bber besides gh15?

BESIDES gh15!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha,ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: apply85 on February 10, 2012, 12:59:51 PM
dont knwo anyone named ha


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 10, 2012, 01:23:35 PM

Arnold spoke about using prima in articles that appeared in Muscle Builder Power (the Weider predecessor of Muscle & Fitness and/or Flex). I guess Arnold writing it in an international publication does translate into an unsubstantiated rumor. Friends of mine trained with him and have confirmed this... sure technically hearsay but not 4 and 5 people removed and not a contradiction of what Arnold wrote.


Any idea from what they said what a typical Arnold cycle would look like as far as doses/compounds?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 02:36:10 PM
Any idea from what they said what a typical Arnold cycle would look like as far as doses/compounds?
well...
if i were arnold......
lol....
about 1500 to 2000 mg of primo
around 300 mg anadrol a day
arnold is always mentioned when dbol comes up... but arnold lover anadrol!!!
low dose test to keep functioning in the sack....
and he was experimenting with hgh... cadaver hgh... crescormon by kabi, available in mid to late 70's....



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: nosleep on February 10, 2012, 03:46:07 PM
IDK IF I BELEIVE HE USED TEST. I DONT THINK ANY USED TEST. JUST DECA, PRIMO, DBOL, ADROL.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: flinstones1 on February 10, 2012, 03:47:53 PM
well...
if i were arnold......
lol....
about 1500 to 2000 mg of primo
around 300 mg anadrol a day
arnold is always mentioned when dbol comes up... but arnold lover anadrol!!!
low dose test to keep functioning in the sack....
and he was experimenting with hgh... cadaver hgh... crescormon by kabi, available in mid to late 70's....



wow really? I didn't know that...always thought he was pretty much "built" on dbol primo deca


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 10, 2012, 03:57:07 PM
Any idea from what they said what a typical Arnold cycle would look like as far as doses/compounds?

Everyone from that ERA talked about low dosages and 6 week cycles. In reality they were LONG, LONG cycles. Dr Walkzak (who I know for a fact Arnold went to) didn't even like guys to go off but maybe for a month per year. I wouldn't hold the low dosages as truthful though possible. Walkzak hated AD-50 so I don't know about Arnold taking it however they may have had more than one source.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 05:52:07 PM
Everyone from that ERA talked about low dosages and 6 week cycles. In reality they were LONG, LONG cycles. Dr Walkzak (who I know for a fact Arnold went to) didn't even like guys to go off but maybe for a month per year. I wouldn't hold the low dosages as truthful though possible. Walkzak hated AD-50 so I don't know about Arnold taking it however they may have had more than one source.
exactly... these guys never went off..... just like the guys today....
they went lower dose.... cruising... but never ever off!!!
and in his early days indeed he loved dbol... but the later years where he built the quality and he shedded the bloofyness... you can bet your ass ad50 was used.... he love it....
a lot of guys (me included) always say guys from the 70 's looked great.... well... fr a great part it has to do with primo... it was used a lot back then.... they used it like a lot use test today... as a base steroid..
cycles were built around primo....
and yes they used test.... ofcourse they did... back then test was not an exotic compound... it has been around since the 30's...
they just did not rely on it... they knew a lot of test = bloofy.... today with the abuse of hgh , high test is less of a problem...
they used test to keep functioning as a male.... and to control thickness...
they way it should be imo....
just add a little hgh in the 5-10 iu range... and you have great bodybuilders... with no guts!



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jude2 on February 10, 2012, 06:20:14 PM
Dang some of u guys know Arnold really well. How was he in the bed? ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 06:54:37 PM
Dang some of u guys know Arnold really well. How was he in the bed? ;D
dunno.... ask your mom...  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jude2 on February 10, 2012, 07:08:09 PM
dunno.... ask your mom...  ;D ;D ;D ;D
She said he is huge like a mule, but she is also known to lie at times. You seem to know him better bc you know his drugs cycles so well.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 10, 2012, 07:25:22 PM
She said he is huge like a mule, but she is also known to lie at times. You seem to know him better bc you know his drugs cycles so well.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
no bro.. don't know him.... but i do know roids....
he got from europe over to usa all bloofy and watery, fat...
screaming heavy dbol and test use....
in usa were they had dudes like Zane... he was taught how to cycle properly...
test was lowered, dbol traded in for ad50's and primo was used in higher dosages...
i am talking prep here.... and hgh was experimented with....
i'll bet my money this is more or less how they prepped back then....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jude2 on February 10, 2012, 07:27:59 PM
Ok because I know in the 70 and 80's they loved Dbol, then Anadrol became popular.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 10, 2012, 11:41:47 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
no bro.. don't know him.... but i do know roids....
he got from europe over to usa all bloofy and watery, fat...
screaming heavy dbol and test use....
in usa were they had dudes like Zane... he was taught how to cycle properly...
test was lowered, dbol traded in for ad50's and primo was used in higher dosages...
i am talking prep here.... and hgh was experimented with....
i'll bet my money this is more or less how they prepped back then....


AD-50 causes just as much water retention as D-bol and is WAY harder on the liver. This post is pure speculation in terms of usage.

If Zane was taking high test and AD-50 he would have been bigger. Common prep back then was Decca-Anavar. Prima for those that could get it. HCG was used a lot as was Wydase, injectable thiomucase and Cytomel. Advice of the day was to taper off orals starting about 10 days out from a contest. I had lunch one time at the Omelet Parlor in Santa Monica with Grymko and Tinerino. This was right after the 1981 Olympia. Dennis was raving Wydase and how quickly he got ripped with it.    





Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: TheGrinch on February 10, 2012, 11:42:34 PM
damn...

no Phase 4??


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 11, 2012, 03:49:32 AM
AD-50 causes just as much water retention as D-bol and is WAY harder on the liver. This post is pure speculation in terms of usage.

If Zane was taking high test and AD-50 he would have been bigger. Common prep back then was Decca-Anavar. Prima for those that could get it. HCG was used a lot as was Wydase, injectable thiomucase and Cytomel. Advice of the day was to taper off orals starting about 10 days out from a contest. I had lunch one time at the Omelet Parlor in Santa Monica with Grymko and Tinerino. This was right after the 1981 Olympia. Dennis was raving Wydase and how quickly he got ripped with it.    




no,
oxy is contest prep drug.... dbol is not...
oxy no water retention if used properly....the trick is to be very very lean when use oxy....
i know and knew plenty of guys that used oxy pre contest...
and arnold did to.......

i was talking prep....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: aesthetics on February 11, 2012, 03:52:52 AM
AD-50 causes just as much water retention as D-bol and is WAY harder on the liver. This post is pure speculation in terms of usage.

If Zane was taking high test and AD-50 he would have been bigger. Common prep back then was Decca-Anavar. Prima for those that could get it. HCG was used a lot as was Wydase, injectable thiomucase and Cytomel. Advice of the day was to taper off orals starting about 10 days out from a contest. I had lunch one time at the Omelet Parlor in Santa Monica with Grymko and Tinerino. This was right after the 1981 Olympia. Dennis was raving Wydase and how quickly he got ripped with it.    





not sure which one you are saying is harsher on the liver from how you worded it but yeah d-bol is harsher if that's what you said.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 11, 2012, 04:09:02 AM
Everyone from that ERA talked about low dosages and 6 week cycles. In reality they were LONG, LONG cycles. Dr Walkzak (who I know for a fact Arnold went to) didn't even like guys to go off but maybe for a month per year. I wouldn't hold the low dosages as truthful though possible. Walkzak hated AD-50 so I don't know about Arnold taking it however they may have had more than one source.

Thanks for your info Max. You mentioned Deca/Var were common for prep back then, what kind of dosing of those was normal?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: g101 on February 11, 2012, 09:58:21 AM
damn...

no Phase 4??

on the website


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Mawse on February 11, 2012, 10:08:46 AM

I brought a suitcase full of 'legit primobolaina' back from istanbul many years ago, when you could walk through customs in my country with such things, and was distinctly unimpressed by the results compared to trenbalonie

nowadays since im on hrt I think it would be a saner alternative to other compounds but for mass and strength tren is way better.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Aussie Duffman on February 11, 2012, 10:25:33 AM
Aussies pm me clues


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 11, 2012, 10:26:51 AM
I brought a suitcase full of 'legit primobolaina' back from istanbul many years ago, when you could walk through customs in my country with such things, and was distinctly unimpressed by the results compared to trenbalonie

nowadays since im on hrt I think it would be a saner alternative to other compounds but for mass and strength tren is way better.

And for $$.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 11, 2012, 11:30:52 AM
not sure which one you are saying is harsher on the liver from how you worded it but yeah d-bol is harsher if that's what you said.

I’m going by what I learned from Dr. Kerr and Dr. Walkzak. Dr. Kerr would have guys on 4 tabs of D-bol (5 mg/per tab back then) per day OR 2 Tabs of AD-50 (obviously 50 mg/per tab). He felt that was equal dosing and effectiveness. Dr. Walkzak had people on 3 D-bol a day and wouldn’t prescribe AD-50 as he felt AD-50 was much harsher on the liver.

Thanks for your info Max. You mentioned Deca/Var were common for prep back then, what kind of dosing of those was normal?

That’s where it gets kind of fuzzy and hearsay comes into play. I know what guys said. I know what the doctors prescribed. Those were 200 mg a week of decca and 4 tabs of Var a day (2.5 mg/per tab) I know personally I made gains on that and got hardness that I wasn’t able to achieve before that. Kerr told me that guys would be on double the amount before a competition.

A good friend of mine went to Dr. Walkzak forever. I know his protocol was 200 mg a week of decca and EITHER 3 tabs of VAR or 3 tabs of D-bol. He said that Dr. Walkzak told him that “some guys” would get up to a total dosage of 700 mg a week all things combined.

The fuzzy part lies in what the heck were guys really doing. Peter Grymko probably exaggerated his dosages and everyone else probably downplayed their dosages. One pro I trained with said he took 3 D-bol a day and I saw him take 3 with one meal. Was that is for the day? A mystery.

This clip with Ric Drasin interviewing Steve Davis tells a little bit about the drugs back then form about 7:30 to about 10:30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-kQbjtxDc


 
 



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 11, 2012, 01:33:38 PM
I’m going by what I learned from Dr. Kerr and Dr. Walkzak. Dr. Kerr would have guys on 4 tabs of D-bol (5 mg/per tab back then) per day OR 2 Tabs of AD-50 (obviously 50 mg/per tab). He felt that was equal dosing and effectiveness. Dr. Walkzak had people on 3 D-bol a day and wouldn’t prescribe AD-50 as he felt AD-50 was much harsher on the liver.

That’s where it gets kind of fuzzy and hearsay comes into play. I know what guys said. I know what the doctors prescribed. Those were 200 mg a week of decca and 4 tabs of Var a day (2.5 mg/per tab) I know personally I made gains on that and got hardness that I wasn’t able to achieve before that. Kerr told me that guys would be on double the amount before a competition.

A good friend of mine went to Dr. Walkzak forever. I know his protocol was 200 mg a week of decca and EITHER 3 tabs of VAR or 3 tabs of D-bol. He said that Dr. Walkzak told him that “some guys” would get up to a total dosage of 700 mg a week all things combined.

The fuzzy part lies in what the heck were guys really doing. Peter Grymko probably exaggerated his dosages and everyone else probably downplayed their dosages. One pro I trained with said he took 3 D-bol a day and I saw him take 3 with one meal. Was that is for the day? A mystery.

This clip with Ric Drasin interviewing Steve Davis tells a little bit about the drugs back then form about 7:30 to about 10:30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-kQbjtxDc

Interesting stuff. Curious that Dr Kerr considered 20mg of dianabol and 100mg of anadrol as similar.....
 




Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 11, 2012, 04:19:36 PM
Why is it so important to know what Arnold took? Does any one think he can be replicated?

I remenber Mike Mentzer claiming taking 300mg deca each 10 days and 35mg of dianabol a day.
I call bullshit.
He could have had decent results on those amounts but he will never be a olympia contender.
He had severe kidney problems wich cause his premature dead. Ray mentzer died of heart attack very young too.
They must have done some serious abuse of roids and diuretics.

There is a lot of bullshit and ear-say from that era. The only thing that was different back then was the quality of the gear - La creme de la creme.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 11, 2012, 04:29:27 PM
Why is it so important to know what Arnold took? Does any one think he can be replicated?

I remenber Mike Mentzer claiming taking 300mg deca each 10 days and 35mg of dianabol a day.
I call bullshit.
He could have had decent results on those amounts but he will never be a olympia contender.
He had severe kidney problems wich cause his premature dead. Ray mentzer died of heart attack very young too.
They must have done some serious abuse of roids and diuretics.

There is a lot of bullshit and ear-say from that era. The only thing that was different back then was the quality of the gear - La creme de la creme.

if i am not mistaken it was Ray who had sever kidney problems and Mike died of hartattack.... just days after his bro Ray died.....
mike was a known narcotic user though , that is way harder on kidney's then the steroids...
he was seen running thru the street naked screaming arnold i hate you, and it should have been me who won the o in 1980.... something like that lololol!!!
2 very disturbed individuals....
when i see pics of mentzer i always get the creeps.... he has a dark aura.... or maybe it's the stache... dunno  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 12, 2012, 06:16:12 AM
I’m going by what I learned from Dr. Kerr and Dr. Walkzak. Dr. Kerr would have guys on 4 tabs of D-bol (5 mg/per tab back then) per day OR 2 Tabs of AD-50 (obviously 50 mg/per tab). He felt that was equal dosing and effectiveness. Dr. Walkzak had people on 3 D-bol a day and wouldn’t prescribe AD-50 as he felt AD-50 was much harsher on the liver.

That’s where it gets kind of fuzzy and hearsay comes into play. I know what guys said. I know what the doctors prescribed. Those were 200 mg a week of decca and 4 tabs of Var a day (2.5 mg/per tab) I know personally I made gains on that and got hardness that I wasn’t able to achieve before that. Kerr told me that guys would be on double the amount before a competition.

A good friend of mine went to Dr. Walkzak forever. I know his protocol was 200 mg a week of decca and EITHER 3 tabs of VAR or 3 tabs of D-bol. He said that Dr. Walkzak told him that “some guys” would get up to a total dosage of 700 mg a week all things combined.

The fuzzy part lies in what the heck were guys really doing. Peter Grymko probably exaggerated his dosages and everyone else probably downplayed their dosages. One pro I trained with said he took 3 D-bol a day and I saw him take 3 with one meal. Was that is for the day? A mystery.

This clip with Ric Drasin interviewing Steve Davis tells a little bit about the drugs back then form about 7:30 to about 10:30. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31-kQbjtxDc


 
 



So how the fuck did they cope with deca dick from no test? I know for a fact that one study proven that minimal amount of deca supresses your own natural production of test 100%.

So assuming they used a little bit of test then... How much is little?

And no, I don't want you optimusprime to reply. You don't know jack shit.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: NineGeez on February 12, 2012, 06:22:25 AM


And no, I don't want you optimusprime to reply. You don't know jack shit.

lol lol,, so true
fuck off optimus you know it all cunt


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 12, 2012, 06:31:53 AM
lol... lot of hate..... ;D ;D
i do not know it all...never said i do
but i know a lot more then you 2 idiots....
asking about what bodybuilders took 30 years ago.... knowing that they had all available to them that is available to today's bodybuilders.....  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
all except hgh in megadoses and slin... and the bullshit peptides....
 
use you fucking brains....


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 12, 2012, 07:09:34 AM
lol... lot of hate..... ;D ;D
i do not know it all...never said i do
but i know a lot more then you 2 idiots....
asking about what bodybuilders took 30 years ago.... knowing that they had all available to them that is available to today's bodybuilders.....  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
all except hgh in megadoses and slin... and the bullshit peptides....
 
use you fucking brains....


Yeh sure and Poland is 2nd world country and we have bunk gear in our pharmacies...

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

You prolly don't even know that we have more regulations regarding drugs and prescription than USA becouse:

 - we are part of European Union
 - we have socialistic government

When you said that Poland got bunk gear that second I knew you don't know SHIT about drugs. You're just random kid from internet, who read about all of this on the internet, mixed it up and spreads it. Anyone with half brains can tell, you're not fooling anyone. It's really pathetic than you're trying to look as knowleadgable as guy like MAX REP...

Now get the fuck out.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: wes on February 12, 2012, 07:16:30 AM
No matter what anyone says,NOBODY knows what Arnold took,except Arnold.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 12, 2012, 07:18:03 AM
No matter what anyone says,NOBODY knows what Arnold took,except Arnold.


Yup, just interesting to try and piece it together. Not that it matters since most don't have his genetic response either.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: wes on February 12, 2012, 07:19:31 AM
Yup, just interesting to try and piece it together. Not that it matters since most don't have his genetic response either.

I hear ya` bud,it just gets redundant after being on these boards for so many years.

Kind of like the who`s better,Yates or Coleman crap!  ;)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 12, 2012, 07:44:46 AM
I hear ya` bud,it just gets redundant after being on these boards for so many years.

Kind of like the who`s better,Yates or Coleman crap!  ;)

It's not about him, it's about drugs of their era. They had that unique look which is far more appealing than what we see now. They were full, ripped and not bloated at all at any point.

That level of bloat is only achievable for me on 50mg prop eod OR 100mg prop + 25mg ATD ed. So that's crazy low dose of test or low dose of test + mild AI.

I don't think you can use more than that and still have your face look normal.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: wes on February 12, 2012, 07:48:19 AM
It's not about him, it's about drugs of their era. They had that unique look which is far more appealing than what we see now. They were full, ripped and not bloated at all at any point.

That level of bloat is only achievable for me on 50mg prop eod OR 100mg prop + 25mg ATD ed. So that's crazy low dose of test or low dose of test + mild AI.

I don't think you can use more than that and still have your face look normal.
Very true,but don`t forget how long and hard they trained combined with whatever they used.

Training,sadly enough,takes a BIG backseat these days and drugs are relied upon by most instead.

Also,diet plays a huge role in how you look........eating ice cream,pizza,and sushi,just ain`t gonna` cut it as far as being ripped with striations is concerned.

Edit:

I`m sure you know this,but I`m just trying to make a point.  ;)


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: StanZoLOL on February 12, 2012, 07:49:53 AM
It's not about him, it's about drugs of their era. They had that unique look which is far more appealing than what we see now. They were full, ripped and not bloated at all at any point.

That level of bloat is only achievable for me on 50mg prop eod OR 100mg prop + 25mg ATD ed. So that's crazy low dose of test or low dose of test + mild AI.

I don't think you can use more than that and still have your face look normal.

Did you try adding Mast or Prov for the bloat?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 12, 2012, 08:06:31 AM
Did you try adding Mast or Prov for the bloat?

Prov does nothing to me, ATD is way more potent. Masteron is expensive compared to ATD and has its own side effects like acne, just like proviron by the way.

Wes my diet is 100% clean, low sodium. My brain sucks without carbs so I can't limit them. Don't take me wrong, I DO manage my bloat. But anything more than 100mg of prop will bloat me at this dose of ATD.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 12, 2012, 08:59:51 AM
Yeh sure and Poland is 2nd world country and we have bunk gear in our pharmacies...

 ::) ::) ::) ::)

You prolly don't even know that we have more regulations regarding drugs and prescription than USA becouse:

 - we are part of European Union
 - we have socialistic government

When you said that Poland got bunk gear that second I knew you don't know SHIT about drugs. You're just random kid from internet, who read about all of this on the internet, mixed it up and spreads it. Anyone with half brains can tell, you're not fooling anyone. It's really pathetic than you're trying to look as knowleadgable as guy like MAX REP...

Now get the fuck out.
first Poland IS a shithole....
why are 50% of polish people working in the Netherlands and Germany etc etc ???? for half of the salary that Dutch and Germans earn?????? well???
second, you have become part of the EU, so what...? so is Greece, look how well that worked out .... ;D
and more regulations as to hormone's then USA.. lol... yeah right buddy....
and what does that have to do with Socialistic Government....? and that Socialistic government of yours isn't really working well, is it....? polish people have to work in other EU countries for a crappy pay, because in that shithole they call a homecountry the pay is even worse! Doesn't your country have social plans for people who are jobless? no reasonable minimum salary? yeah great country Poland....very socialistic  ::) ::)
also you guys steal away jobs from Dutch and Germans etc etc....because you guys work for half the pay... that way killing the market for the people who live in these countries.. you polish people are hated because of that.. also you guys drink 24/7 and behave as barbarians...go ask dutchguy or Droppingplates if i am lying about this....
 
third, i never said omnadren is bunk! it contains everything that it should hormone wise... it is just dirty and a shitty product hormone wise! it's the caproate ester.... it makes the product suck.... any experienced bodybuilder knows what i mean... and its dirty! it is... could be a bit better now, but i doubt it...
and also i never once said poland has crappy gear , or has bunk gear in the farmacia.... learn to read please!!!!
maybe you can do a course in reading, payed by that fantastic socialistic government of yours...
i said OMNADREN sucks!!! maybe there is fantastic gear coming from poland, there are some g2g ugls there.... but omnadren = crapp!
there is a reason it is being sold for half the price as SUSTANON.... get it????
nobody wants it....
so before accusing someone of something, at least make sure you have your facts straight.
i do not pretend to be anybody.... let alone max rep.... he is a cool dude.... but why would i want to pretend to be anybody but myself?
i am happy with myself.. lol
you do not like what i have to say..... well.... watcha gonna do????

and really , get the fuck out ? why because you say so.....? again watcha gonna do ..???
internet tough guy....  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 12, 2012, 11:00:46 AM
first Poland IS a shithole....
why are 50% of polish people working in the Netherlands and Germany etc etc ???? for half of the salary that Dutch and Germans earn?????? well???
second, you have become part of the EU, so what...? so is Greece, look how well that worked out .... ;D
and more regulations as to hormone's then USA.. lol... yeah right buddy....
and what does that have to do with Socialistic Government....? and that Socialistic government of yours isn't really working well, is it....? polish people have to work in other EU countries for a crappy pay, because in that shithole they call a homecountry the pay is even worse! Doesn't your country have social plans for people who are jobless? no reasonable minimum salary? yeah great country Poland....very socialistic  ::) ::)
also you guys steal away jobs from Dutch and Germans etc etc....because you guys work for half the pay... that way killing the market for the people who live in these countries.. you polish people are hated because of that.. also you guys drink 24/7 and behave as barbarians...go ask dutchguy or Droppingplates if i am lying about this....
 
third, i never said omnadren is bunk! it contains everything that it should hormone wise... it is just dirty and a shitty product hormone wise! it's the caproate ester.... it makes the product suck.... any experienced bodybuilder knows what i mean... and its dirty! it is... could be a bit better now, but i doubt it...
and also i never once said poland has crappy gear , or has bunk gear in the farmacia.... learn to read please!!!!
maybe you can do a course in reading, payed by that fantastic socialistic government of yours...
i said OMNADREN sucks!!! maybe there is fantastic gear coming from poland, there are some g2g ugls there.... but omnadren = crapp!
there is a reason it is being sold for half the price as SUSTANON.... get it????
nobody wants it....
so before accusing someone of something, at least make sure you have your facts straight.
i do not pretend to be anybody.... let alone max rep.... he is a cool dude.... but why would i want to pretend to be anybody but myself?
i am happy with myself.. lol
you do not like what i have to say..... well.... watcha gonna do????

and really , get the fuck out ? why because you say so.....? again watcha gonna do ..???
internet tough guy....  ;D ;D ;D ;D

Shithole? It's regular first world country, like spain, czech republic, slovakia and so on. Jelfa is well known and respected drug company and people from all around the world use our products. Omnadren is 1 to 1 identical product to sustanon, just under different name. They had to change name of one of esthers for copyright reasons and that's all. You would know things like that if you knew jack shit about gear.

People emigrate from Poland just like they emigrate from whole Europe except from few wealthy countries. It's natural process and has nothing to do with our regulations or quality of Jelfa products. Again, you would know it if you were remotely close to being intelligent. Unfortunatelly, you're a moron.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Max_Rep on February 12, 2012, 02:59:58 PM
So how the fuck did they cope with deca dick from no test? I know for a fact that one study proven that minimal amount of deca supresses your own natural production of test 100%.

So assuming they used a little bit of test then... How much is little?

And no, I don't want you optimusprime to reply. You don't know jack shit.

We were taking HCG to come off a cycle which brought natural production back. Probably would have been better to use it all the way through. I don't know about just a little decca shutting you down because I never had an issue with that.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 12, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
Shithole? It's regular first world country, like spain, czech republic, slovakia and so on. Jelfa is well known and respected drug company and people from all around the world use our products. Omnadren is 1 to 1 identical product to sustanon, just under different name. They had to change name of one of esthers for copyright reasons and that's all. You would know things like that if you knew jack shit about gear.

People emigrate from Poland just like they emigrate from whole Europe except from few wealthy countries. It's natural process and has nothing to do with our regulations or quality of Jelfa products. Again, you would know it if you were remotely close to being intelligent. Unfortunatelly, you're a moron.
copyright has nothing to do with it. different product , different name...
sustanon has different ester buddy, decanoate... omnadren has the caproate.... on omnadren you hold a shit more water then on sustanon.... i have used both... and the omnadren gave me a nice rash as an extra...and on the black market sustanon goes for double the price then that crappy omnadren... lol back in the day i paid 1,5 euro for a vial omnadren , shitty pink boxes.... even the boxes they come in look cheap and crappy, NOBODY LIKED IT OR WANTED IT , only if no other option was available..or the bodybuilder had no money he would by the cheap ass omna's

oh, and these polish guestworkers do not emigrate, do you even know what it means to emigrate????
poland is shithole, low salaries, no work , no social securities.... just like brazil lol!, but brazil has happy people and beautifull wether and nice beaches... poland is a dark shithole, like a lot of these slavic countries...
and what is natural about having all these polish guestworkers in the Netherlands?  it's a real invasion... they drive like idiots in their crappy old cars... always drunk lol..btw i worked for a dutch company that hired these people, so i saw first hand how they are... my boss actually did random alcohol checks on the polish workers.... lol!!! they drink every day, use speed, look 40 when infact they are 23.

where did i say they moved to another country because of your regulations and jelfa products... lolol! has nothing to do with it... learn to read!!!!!
calling me stupid, yet you can not even read and get your facts straight...
i am sure there are good polish people, but they stay in poland... have no reason to leave....
al these lowlifes go abroad to work....
anyway you can disagree with my on everything.... but not on drugs... i know my ped's....

na zdrowie! ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 13, 2012, 04:13:16 AM
No, decanoate is synonym of caproate. Actually in new Jelfa products they changed name back becouse they didn't have to worry about copyright anymore. So now Omnadren consists of propionate, phenylpropionate, isacaproate and decanoate. I know becouse I have box of this shit right in my fucking hand right now.

(http://www.omnadren.info/wp-content/blogs.dir/55/files/omnadren-images/omnadren5.jpg)

This if you don't believe.

And I told you that there is no CORRELATION, you know what that is? I didn't tell that you told about CAUSATION, jesus christ kid, go back to school.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Aussie Duffman on February 13, 2012, 04:15:43 AM
Those ampules dont all look alike


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: jon cole on February 13, 2012, 04:31:36 AM
omnadren makes you insane, i want to destroy barbell with omnadren, it's more potent than sust
.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 13, 2012, 04:58:15 AM
And if you took these stuff outside of Poland then lol... No way on earth it was real. I know becouse there were billions of times when police destroyed groups producing fake Jelfa stuff. Last time it was in my city, produced by people everyone knew lol. No wonder everyone had cheap Jelfa in huge quantities here :D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 05:23:41 AM
No, decanoate is synonym of caproate. Actually in new Jelfa products they changed name back becouse they didn't have to worry about copyright anymore. So now Omnadren consists of propionate, phenylpropionate, isacaproate and decanoate. I know becouse I have box of this shit right in my fucking hand right now.

(http://www.omnadren.info/wp-content/blogs.dir/55/files/omnadren-images/omnadren5.jpg)

This if you don't believe.

And I told you that there is no CORRELATION, you know what that is? I didn't tell that you told about CAUSATION, jesus christ kid, go back to school.
you are confused bro.... isocaproate is the same as isohexanoate..
decanoate is a different ester then caproate buddy... the caproate ester is what made omnadren worthless..
since it acts faster then the decanoate. the timing of the various ester blends was not ok.... lot of estrogen built up.... = water retention to the 10th degree....
i asked around with some of my friends and you are right that omnadren now is a copy of sustanon... guess they knew their product was shit... lol.. still omnadren is worth half of what sus or abu's go for.... so go figure...
however poland IS still a shithole, and i would still not touch omna's if i could get my hands on enanthate from abu....you just can not compare Jelfa to organon or schering/plough, abu's etc etc, it's like comparing a trabant to a mercedes ;D and i have real world experience! seen guys on omnadren get infections, i myself got a rash.... lots of buddy's of mine acne... etc etc... stuff was anything but clean... maybe now it's better but i doubt it...
btw test blends suck imo.. go for test E or test P....
anyway all this shit does not matter.. anyone can google and get info like this..... like i said i have real world exsperience, that is worth more then these silly details about a formula or whatever.... i used it all..... and omna's sucked.... period.... i never used it again and no buddy of mine ever used it again....
eastern euro countries are known for not being that strict with regulation bro....

correlation, causation... nice words .... none have anything to do with what i said...
how does polish people "emigrating" (which they are not even doing lol, they're just working abroad) correlate with jelfa and steroid/hormone/medicine regulations in your country.... remember we were talking steroids my friend.... that is what you said in that one sentence.... makes no sense...
i am busting your balls a bit, and calling poland a shithole... (which it is ;D ;D)
poland is not a 1st world country , and for a long time will not be one....
and you keep avoiding the points i made about your fantastic country and it's social government.. lol...
poland joined EU yes.... that does not make it a 1st world country.... its still far behind... like other eastern euro countries who have joined.
so you live in a dark shithole... it's not that i am attacking you as a person. relax a little....
btw who are you calling a kid????
i am 32, raise a daughter on my own.... i am a single dad.... i am responsable for that little girl ...... i am hardly a kid...i have responsabilities...

going by with what you wright and how you wright it, it's you that is the kid..... not me lol!





Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 05:25:22 AM
And if you took these stuff outside of Poland then lol... No way on earth it was real. I know becouse there were billions of times when police destroyed groups producing fake Jelfa stuff. Last time it was in my city, produced by people everyone knew lol. No wonder everyone had cheap Jelfa in huge quantities here :D
correct.....
but hg gear always is and was being faked.... still is...
mine were real.....
omna's always were cheaper then the rest .... always...there is a reason for that....



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 05:45:35 AM
omnadren makes you insane, i want to destroy barbell with omnadren, it's more potent than sust
.


omnadran shmomnadran ,, it all the same damn thing is legit,, learn it ,, i haev so much omnadran up my ass i could name my prostat omna,, it is good very good testosterona but! and this is a big  big but! when you finaly realize the truth about bodybuild and you all will ,, you wil see that top chef tesosterona is same IF NOT BETTER! than pharma grade ,, ESPECIALY today when pharma grade is truly being fakes to an unbeliavbel level,, if you can get legit omnadran its good but it wont chaneg your bloofy look if you dont have the right compound to go with it !

water does not! equal quality size,, it can enhance size but it has to be in the right places,, water is water...it had to be in the muscle mainly to produce size! ,, testosterona water tend to be outside muscle as much as inside muscle and this is what ruin looks of today bodybuild,, you need to know how to cycle testosterona into your regimen ,, you can get very far with 250-500mg testosterona if you have the other products in tact! high testosterona that you hear in the 2 gram is usualy reserved to the most highest addicts thta really put in their delts every single day 15+ iu of gh on a biblistic ceramonial basis for months! 15 -20 -25 even the ones who take 15 iu gh ...2  gram testosterona is not their level of play ,, the 2 gram testosterona got to go with good good dose of gh in the 20s and even then! it doesnt alwys look pretty lol

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 13, 2012, 05:47:43 AM
you are confused bro.... isocaproate is the same as isohexanoate..
decanoate is a different ester then caproate buddy... the caproate ester is what made omnadren worthless..
since it acts faster then the decanoate. the timing of the various ester blends was not ok.... lot of estrogen built up.... = water retention to the 10th degree....
i asked around with some of my friends and you are right that omnadren now is a copy of sustanon... guess they knew their product was shit... lol.. still omnadren is worth half of what sus or abu's go for.... so go figure...
however poland IS still a shithole, and i would still not touch omna's if i could get my hands on enanthate from abu....you just can not compare Jelfa to organon or schering/plough, abu's etc etc, it's like comparing a trabant to a mercedes ;D and i have real world experience! seen guys on omnadren get infections, i myself got a rash.... lots of buddy's of mine acne... etc etc... stuff was anything but clean... maybe now it's better but i doubt it...
btw test blends suck imo.. go for test E or test P....
anyway all this shit does not matter.. anyone can google and get info like this..... like i said i have real world exsperience, that is worth more then these silly details about a formula or whatever.... i used it all..... and omna's sucked.... period.... i never used it again and no buddy of mine ever used it again....
eastern euro countries are known for not being that strict with regulation bro....

correlation, causation... nice words .... none have anything to do with what i said...
how does polish people "emigrating" (which they are not even doing lol, they're just working abroad) correlate with jelfa and steroid/hormone/medicine regulations in your country.... remember we were talking steroids my friend.... that is what you said in that one sentence.... makes no sense...
i am busting your balls a bit, and calling poland a shithole... (which it is ;D ;D)
poland is not a 1st world country , and for a long time will not be one....
and you keep avoiding the points i made about your fantastic country and it's social government.. lol...
poland joined EU yes.... that does not make it a 1st world country.... its still far behind... like other eastern euro countries who have joined.
so you live in a dark shithole... it's not that i am attacking you as a person. relax a little....
btw who are you calling a kid????
i am 32, raise a daughter on my own.... i am a single dad.... i am responsable for that little girl ...... i am hardly a kid...i have responsabilities...

going by with what you wright and how you wright it, it's you that is the kid..... not me lol!





Can you fucking read you moron? There is no caproate in Jelfa anymore for few years now. And when it was switched it was just about copyright thing, ask anyone who worked there.

And no, you never had real Omna unless you had prescription for it lol. You cannot tell any difference between bunk and real stuff, I'm sorry.

My friend has real Prolongatum from doctor, he has also fake Prolongatum from black market. It's 1:1 identical, guys who made those fakes did REAL good job.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 05:56:43 AM
Can you fucking read you moron? There is no caproate in Jelfa anymore for few years now. And when it was switched it was just about copyright thing, ask anyone who worked there.

And no, you never had real Omna unless you had prescription for it lol. You cannot tell any difference between bunk and real stuff, I'm sorry.

My friend has real Prolongatum from doctor, he has also fake Prolongatum from black market. It's 1:1 identical, guys who made those fakes did REAL good job.

i had legit omnas for years from retabolil and then from naps both of them served me to my feet with all the omnas i wanted ,, naps was the export version of omna to the ukrainian market and eastern europian market ,, ret was legit real deal omnas ,, got so many of them ,, yes good quality testosterona,, it wasnt fake ,, al through 2000-2005 wasnt fake but! but! ! take a top chef like strngo ...he can make omnadren look like a mini version of mexicana burito compare to the product he will come up with ,, its all in the chef and quality of powder ,, do you think felas that sit in americana 240 250 lb single digit now day got there with lol omnadrans all over lol they fucking use top chefs all over ,, half of them are fuckin remailers and dealers,,

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Swlabr on February 13, 2012, 06:00:56 AM
gh15, while you're here, just a quick question -- I feel a small amount of fat under my left nipple, I don't have any anti-estrogens at hand. I'm on 50 mg masteron EOD, and I'm concerned about gyno. If I bump the masteron will that take care of it?


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: gh15 on February 13, 2012, 06:07:04 AM
gh15, while you're here, just a quick question -- I feel a small amount of fat under my left nipple, I don't have any anti-estrogens at hand. I'm on 50 mg masteron EOD, and I'm concerned about gyno. If I bump the masteron will that take care of it?

no,, letrozole will but ....letrozole is one shitty product,, especialy if liquid research chemicals,, then again ...if you feel like you growing tits...and im not talking abotu little puff puff im talking if you feel a big ass problem then letrozole will flaten it out or surgery ,,

i woudnt worry abotu small things,, usualy most fellas exagurate and create a problem from nothing,, fat under nipple is usualy adipose and it is because you are in the mid doubles or high singls,, get down to 6% and you will se its gone ,,if its there and noticable then surgery but most dont hav ehtis problems

gh15 approved


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: Swlabr on February 13, 2012, 06:08:48 AM
Great, that's a worry off my mind. Thanks!


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 06:30:02 AM
Can you fucking read you moron? There is no caproate in Jelfa anymore for few years now. And when it was switched it was just about copyright thing, ask anyone who worked there.

And no, you never had real Omna unless you had prescription for it lol. You cannot tell any difference between bunk and real stuff, I'm sorry.

My friend has real Prolongatum from doctor, he has also fake Prolongatum from black market. It's 1:1 identical, guys who made those fakes did REAL good job.
isn't that what i said???
you are the one who does not seem to be able to read... yet are calling me the moron.... lol!
i may be a moron, at least i do not live in a fucking dark shithole...  ;D ;D ;D ;D

and i had real ones buddy..... you do not know me , and who i hung around with.... so please.... ::) ::) ::)
only with prescription huh... lol yeah right.....
the guys i knew did not buy from farmarcia's , they bought straight from the factories.... lol...
farmarcias do not sell thousends of units you know....


tschau sua bixona.... ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: deceiver on February 13, 2012, 07:23:15 AM
isn't that what i said???
you are the one who does not seem to be able to read... yet are calling me the moron.... lol!
i may be a moron, at least i do not live in a fucking dark shithole...  ;D ;D ;D ;D

and i had real ones buddy..... you do not know me , and who i hung around with.... so please.... ::) ::) ::)
only with prescription huh... lol yeah right.....
the guys i knew did not buy from farmarcia's , they bought straight from the factories.... lol...
farmarcias do not sell thousends of units you know....


tschau sua bixona.... ;D

If you or your friends got infections then it wasn't real for sure. Straight from factories? Ahahahaha who told you this? Have you seen those factories yourself? It was straight from cracow underground you fool ahahahahahahahahahahHHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHGAHA

I'm sorry idiot, but I just can't read your whole posts becouse of your absolutely terrible grammar and lack of interpunction. Well, I guess it's you being an idiot again.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 08:33:36 AM
If you or your friends got infections then it wasn't real for sure. Straight from factories? Ahahahaha who told you this? Have you seen those factories yourself? It was straight from cracow underground you fool ahahahahahahahahahahHHAH AHHAHAHAHAHAHGAHA

I'm sorry idiot, but I just can't read your whole posts becouse of your absolutely terrible grammar and lack of interpunction. Well, I guess it's you being an idiot again.
well, I can wright in perfect english if i wanted to.
I just choose not to. The omnadrens were straight from the factory , that is where the big fish buy their stuff.
Same goes for the abu's , Karachi's, Primotestons, sustanons, decas, norma's etc etc....
Do you think they go from pharmacy to pharmacy and buy 10/15 ampoules in each pharmacy they go to?
Sure .....  ::) ::) ::) ::)
These guys bought in bulk, by the thousands. GET IT???
And no, i never saw a factory because like i said Poland is a shithole so why would i go there?
I was very much into Bodybuilding and had friends, friends who were big fish. Why is that so hard to believe?
I could name names, but that would be a stupid thing to do.
One of them got arrested in Poland, lol.
And for someone attacking me on my spelling and or grammar, you are worse then me.
Because is spelled like this and not "becouse"
Again you faill.
You can't read properly , keep attacking me on stuff i haven't even said, and YOU can not even spell a simple word like because yourself.
And it's not a typ O because the o and the a are far away from eachother on the keyboard, lol!!
You are some 15 year old punk trying to impress a man, it's not working KID!
Next time you call someone an idiot make sure you look in the mirror.

and now i go back to my old writing style..... as i like that way better....
fuck.... you... kid!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 13, 2012, 12:20:14 PM
well, I can wright in perfect english if i wanted to.
I just choose not to. The omnadrens were straight from the factory , that is where the big fish buy their stuff.
Same goes for the abu's , Karachi's, Primotestons, sustanons, decas, norma's etc etc....
Do you think they go from pharmacy to pharmacy and buy 10/15 ampoules in each pharmacy they go to?
Sure .....  ::) ::) ::) ::)
These guys bought in bulk, by the thousands. GET IT???
And no, i never saw a factory because like i said Poland is a shithole so why would i go there?
I was very much into Bodybuilding and had friends, friends who were big fish. Why is that so hard to believe?
I could name names, but that would be a stupid thing to do.
One of them got arrested in Poland, lol.
And for someone attacking me on my spelling and or grammar, you are worse then me.
Because is spelled like this and not "becouse"
Again you faill.
You can't read properly , keep attacking me on stuff i haven't even said, and YOU can not even spell a simple word like because yourself.
And it's not a typ O because the o and the a are far away from eachother on the keyboard, lol!!
You are some 15 year old punk trying to impress a man, it's not working KID!
Next time you call someone an idiot make sure you look in the mirror.

and now i go back to my old writing style..... as i like that way better....
fuck.... you... kid!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
You sure know how to handle quantities...

Nobody can buy 10-15 ampules in a pharmacy even with prescription, at least in europe. Way less!

Hey optimus like you are such an authority in steroid buying in europe tell us, just out of curiosity, how many testex ,winstrol, primobolan and anavar did you bought in spain pharmacies, and how many testoviron, sustanon deca50, proviron did you bought in portugal and how many Norma deca durabolin did you bought in greece. And what about italy, how did things worked out for you there, i mean... with all your connections.



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 13, 2012, 12:51:29 PM
You sure know how to handle quantities...

Nobody can buy 10-15 ampules in a pharmacy even with prescription, at least in europe. Way less!

Hey optimus like you are such an authority in steroid buying in europe tell us, just out of curiosity, how many testex ,winstrol, primobolan and anavar did you bought in spain pharmacies, and how many testoviron, sustanon deca50, proviron did you bought in portugal and how many Norma deca durabolin did you bought in greece. And what about italy, how did things worked out for you there, i mean... with all your connections.



get your info straight!!! i never sold!!!!! i do not have "connections"
i was close friends with people who did..... get it?
why do you you think i know what i know...????
you can think i am an asshole, or am full of myself or whatever.....
but the things i say are the truth.....
some of my friends got caught.... 100000 euro's worth of steroids.... that is the kind of people i am talking about....
not some dumb ass reseller....
these people do not buy in pharmacies.... lol!
stuff came out of
turkey/iran/egypt/england/russia and we had some good dutch ugl's
i never needed to buy in a pharmacy when living in the Netherlands....
always got stuff cheap from my friends...










Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 14, 2012, 02:58:57 AM
get your info straight!!! i never sold!!!!! i do not have "connections"
i was close friends with people who did..... get it?
why do you you think i know what i know...????
you can think i am an asshole, or am full of myself or whatever.....
but the things i say are the truth.....
some of my friends got caught.... 100000 euro's worth of steroids.... that is the kind of people i am talking about....
not some dumb ass reseller....
these people do not buy in pharmacies.... lol!
stuff came out of
turkey/iran/egypt/england/russia and we had some good dutch ugl's
i never needed to buy in a pharmacy when living in the Netherlands....
always got stuff cheap from my friends...










So you never ever bought a fucking little box saying 100% guaranteed LEGIT primobolan depot with a small glass ampoul in it.

But you have no problem assuring everybody that spanish primo sold in legal pharmacies is fake! Because you just know.. Have you ever been in spain?

You know it all because bigfish achmed guy told you so...

YOU KNOW    N O T H I N G     ABOUT STEROIDS IN EUROPE.

You have never had a legit norma deca-durabolin ampoul in your hand because if you had you would know it's tag price! It's written there you liar asshole!

And the winstrol has cristals like sand in it and it hurts when they get stuck in the needle... You are a lying sack of shit! you have never ever ever ever shot a legit spanish winstrol ampoul in you delts before! I have done it in my bi's in my tri's and my calves, god damm only my dick didn't get a winstrol shot, and there was no sand in it!

And you know it all when it comes to polish omnadren yet you have never ever ever ever had it in your ass chicks, but you know because the bigfish told you so.

And when getbigers who know their shit (deceiver as an example) discover your lies you start shooting in all directions and insulting them!

You should change your name to OPTIMUSBALONIE100%GUARANTEED!

You talked the talk but i have walked the walk my friend.

I have bought equipoise, primobolan depot, winstrol, testex elmu prolongatum in spain and testoviron depot, sustenon, deca-durabolin, proviron in portugal and deca-durabolin in greece.

And you called me a steroid virgin... what a bozo!

Calling me a bonobo you xenophobic racist dutch guy. I'm more white than you you fucking nazi!

Tell me one thing, during your MMA workouts how does it taste the swea
t of a halbreed brazilian you racist?

And when you stick your little white dick in an half amazonic half african bubble but brazilian girl how does it feel you white supremacy guy?

Who the fuck do you think you are insulting entire ethnic groups because of some isolated dissidents you apartheid-lover-guy!

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT STEROIDS WHATSOEVER.

YOU ARE A REPEATER, YOU TALK SHIT FROM EAR-SAY

There is another filth in getbig, and his name is Optimusracistprime!

Keep up the good (lying) job, you are a natural.



Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 14, 2012, 05:38:10 AM
So you never ever bought a fucking little box saying 100% guaranteed LEGIT primobolan depot with a small glass ampoul in it.

But you have no problem assuring everybody that spanish primo sold in legal pharmacies is fake! Because you just know.. Have you ever been in spain?

You know it all because bigfish achmed #### told you so...

YOU KNOW    N O T H I N G     ABOUT STEROIDS IN EUROPE.

You have never had a legit norma deca-durabolin ampoul in your hand because if you had you would know it's tag price! It's written there you liar asshole!

And the winstrol has cristals like sand in it and it hurts when they get stuck in the needle... You are a lying sack of shit! you have never ever ever ever shot a legit spanish winstrol ampoul in you delts before! I have done it in my bi's in my tri's and my calves, god damm only my dick didn't get a winstrol shot, and there was no sand in it!

And you know it all when it comes to polish omnadren yet you have never ever ever ever had it in your ass chicks, but you know because the bigfish told you so.

And when getbigers who know their shit (deceiver as an example) discover your lies you start shooting in all directions and insulting them!

You should change your name to OPTIMUSBALONIE100%GUARANTEED!

You talked the talk but i have walked the walk my friend.

I have bought equipoise, primobolan depot, winstrol, testex elmu prolongatum in spain and testoviron depot, sustenon, deca-durabolin, proviron in portugal and deca-durabolin in greece.

And you called me a steroid virgin... what a bozo!

Calling me a bonobo you xenophobic racist dutch ####. I'm more white than you you fucking nazi!

Tell me one thing, during your MMA workouts how does it taste the swea
t of a halbreed brazilian you racist?

And when you stick your little white dick in an half amazonic half african bubble but brazilian girl how does it feel you white supremacy ####?

Who the fuck do you think you are insulting entire ethnic groups because of some isolated dissidents you apartheid-lover-####!

YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT STEROIDS WHATSOEVER.

YOU ARE A REPEATER, YOU TALK SHIT FROM EAR-SAY

There is another filth in getbig, and his name is Optimusracistprime!

Keep up the good (lying) job, you are a natural.


wow what a post... somebody has anger management problems...
lololol!!!
first, you again need TO LEARN HOW TO READ IDIOT!
i never , ever said ALL products sold in whatever pharmacy are fake.... never said that...
What i said was, that there were fakes being sold... as well as good legit stuff... so please read before you go all angry ok buddy??
Also i never said winstrol had sand in it, those are your words.... i said microcrystals.... LEARN TO READ!!!
Second the price on the Norma's is the price they are sold for in the pharmacies.. you dumbass! if you buy by the thousends you do NOT pay this price. Goes to show it's YOU that doesn't know shit!
third, omnadrens were different then sus in the old days... i am not some kid anymore.... i have had plenty of omna's in my asscheeck... and got nasty sides from it.... my friends as well... was not clean as it should be. maybe the new ones are better. yes i did not know the formula had changed since it's been that long that i have not used it anymore. for years i make my own gear. but still i would not buy them , there is a reason they are so cheap....
So you bought eq?? lol.... you do know it's a vet product not sold in pharmacies? it's made in Latin America , Canada, Australia and of course the ugl's.... again YOU know jack shit and are a steroid virgin...
If you bought eq in europe... it were dudes like my friends who got it there, hell maybe it were my buddies... ;D
and really all the products you just named are the ones being faked the most of all hg gear, lol!!!
And really calling me a rascist is dumb... just because i am not afraid to tell the truth??
in the Netherlands there is an invasion of polish guestworkers, nobody likes them, they steal away jobs, act like barbarians... drink, drive like idiots lol.... just a fact...
and yes i like to stick my small dick in a nice bubble but.... greatest thing in the world... better to stick in in a nice bubble but then a flat pancake polish ass.... ;D
and what does mma have to do with anything, and i do not taste sweat of half breeds.... only fullbred Brazilians ... lol! and they are females....
and you are calling me a repeater? yet you are using all kinds of gh15 words... lol...
Also since i am the idiot, can you please explain to me what does EAR - SAY mean...????
i am only familiair with the words HEAR - SAY...
and lol at you still mentioning achmed.... hahahhaahaha...
like i will go and talk names with some kid....


again epic fail on your part..... i must say it's fun though.....  ;D ;D ;D ;D
please read before you go and say stuff i haven't even said.... makes you look real stupid ok..... ;)




Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 14, 2012, 06:24:44 AM
wow what a post... somebody has anger management problems...
lololol!!!
first, you again need TO LEARN HOW TO READ IDIOT!
i never , ever said ALL products sold in whatever pharmacy are fake.... never said that...
What i said was, that there were fakes being sold... as well as good legit stuff... so please read before you go all angry ok buddy??
Also i never said winstrol had sand in it, those are your words.... i said microcrystals.... LEARN TO READ!!!
Second the price on the Norma's is the price they are sold for in the pharmacies.. you dumbass! if you buy by the thousends you do NOT pay this price. Goes to show it's YOU that doesn't know shit!
third, omnadrens were different then sus in the old days... i am not some kid anymore.... i have had plenty of omna's in my asscheeck... and got nasty sides from it.... my friends as well... was not clean as it should be. maybe the new ones are better. yes i did not know the formula had changed since it's been that long that i have not used it anymore. for years i make my own gear. but still i would not buy them , there is a reason they are so cheap....
So you bought eq?? lol.... you do know it's a vet product not sold in pharmacies? it's made in Latin America , Canada, Australia and of course the ugl's.... again YOU know jack shit and are a steroid virgin...
If you bought eq in europe... it were dudes like my friends who got it there, hell maybe it were my buddies... ;D
and really all the products you just named are the ones being faked the most of all hg gear, lol!!!
And really calling me a rascist is dumb... just because i am not afraid to tell the truth??
in the Netherlands there is an invasion of polish guestworkers, nobody likes them, they steal away jobs, act like barbarians... drink, drive like idiots lol.... just a fact...
and yes i like to stick my small dick in a nice bubble but.... greatest thing in the world... better to stick in in a nice bubble but then a flat pancake polish ass.... ;D
and what does mma have to do with anything, and i do not taste sweat of half breeds.... only fullbred Brazilians ... lol! and they are females....
and you are calling me a repeater? yet you are using all kinds of gh15 words... lol...
Also since i am the idiot, can you please explain to me what does EAR - SAY mean...????
i am only familiair with the words HEAR - SAY...
and lol at you still mentioning achmed.... hahahhaahaha...
like i will go and talk names with some kid....


again epic fail on your part..... i must say it's fun though.....  ;D ;D ;D ;D
please read before you go and say stuff i haven't even said.... makes you look real stupid ok..... ;)




How can a 106 kilo guy have a ton of bullshit in him? That's remarkable!

I'm surprised that a person who claims to know so much about steroids in europe doesn't ever heard about veterinarian pharmacies. I pass through one at least 4 times a day. Were the hell do you think equipoise is sold? At the Gas station?

Plus the legit deca that comes from greece to other countries from legal or illegal pathways has the price tag on it simply because ALL the ampouls that get out from the factory legally have to have that sticked there. The place were they go from there is a all different story. That reveals how NOTHING you know about steroid legal or illegal distribution in europe.

I REPEAT: YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT STEROID DISTRIBUTION IN EUROPE MR. OPTIMUSPRIME!

Fullbreed brazilians = genetic mix of: 33% nativesouthamericans 33% african slaves (maybe them came from south africa), 33% portuguese 1% who cares... You must be really disgusted of living there, there are no arians around to join you in your ethnic insulting sessions.

earsay  hearsay wow! that's the best way you found to insult me and discredit me? or calling a guy older than you a kid?

Luckily for the sake of truth, all getbigers that folow this thread easily recognize how full of shit you are and can easily see that my small interventions are truthfull and helpfull for the average joe that just want to buy legit steroids and doesn't give a flying fuck about bigfish steroid dealers or microcristals that get stucked in needles or other IMAGINARY stuff!

I guess GH15 sees so much bullshit going around in this thread that he gave up on it. I don't blame him a bit, because it passed the "incredible ridiculous" point some pages ago...

...but i bet the PRIMEbullshitter isn't going to give up on his delusional claims. Maybe some lithium would help him.

Get well, get big.







Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 14, 2012, 09:46:51 AM
How can a 106 kilo guy have a ton of bullshit in him? That's remarkable!

I'm surprised that a person who claims to know so much about steroids in europe doesn't ever heard about veterinarian pharmacies. I pass through one at least 4 times a day. Were the hell do you think equipoise is sold? At the Gas station?

Plus the legit deca that comes from greece to other countries from legal or illegal pathways has the price tag on it simply because ALL the ampouls that get out from the factory legally have to have that sticked there. The place were they go from there is a all different story. That reveals how NOTHING you know about steroid legal or illegal distribution in europe.

I REPEAT: YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT STEROID DISTRIBUTION IN EUROPE MR. OPTIMUSPRIME!

Fullbreed brazilians = genetic mix of: 33% nativesouthamericans 33% african slaves (maybe them came from south africa), 33% portuguese 1% who cares... You must be really disgusted of living there, there are no arians around to join you in your ethnic insulting sessions.

earsay  hearsay wow! that's the best way you found to insult me and discredit me? or calling a guy older than you a kid?

Luckily for the sake of truth, all getbigers that folow this thread easily recognize how full of shit you are and can easily see that my small interventions are truthfull and helpfull for the average joe that just want to buy legit steroids and doesn't give a flying fuck about bigfish steroid dealers or microcristals that get stucked in needles or other IMAGINARY stuff!

I guess GH15 sees so much bullshit going around in this thread that he gave up on it. I don't blame him a bit, because it passed the "incredible ridiculous" point some pages ago...

...but i bet the PRIMEbullshitter isn't going to give up on his delusional claims. Maybe some lithium would help him.

Get well, get big.






yes 106 kilo lean at 6'2,5 real small lolol! i enjoyed other sports for a while.. a REAL sport even lol!
no need to be 120 kilo's every day of ones life....
where does this arian shit come from..... lol... you brought that up , not me....
actually i love living here.... have my daughter with me, nice job, enough money and a beautifull girl....
life = good!
this discussion is silly because i said there were fakes being sold .... and you make up stories along the way...
saying stuff i haven't even said...
hey, you think i do not know shit... fine by me.... i couldn't care less... ;D ;D ;D ;D
i know what i know....  i know what i have seen... i do not need to convince you....
i had friends that were Pro and top , elite amateurs......
why do you think I was the one that mentioned slin use at the correct doses... 300/400  iu's of humalog a day.... while everyone here was talking 20 iu post training ,lol...!!why?? because i saw it being done.
you do not like me, fine.....
you think i am a rascist , fine
you think i have a small dick , fine
you think i do not know shit about european steroids trade, fine....
i do not care .... lolol!
but i know my hormones buddy...










Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: falco on February 14, 2012, 03:01:14 PM
yes 106 kilo lean at 6'2,5 real small lolol! i enjoyed other sports for a while.. a REAL sport even lol!
no need to be 120 kilo's every day of ones life....
where does this arian shit come from..... lol... you brought that up , not me....
actually i love living here.... have my daughter with me, nice job, enough money and a beautifull girl....
life = good!
this discussion is silly because i said there were fakes being sold .... and you make up stories along the way...
saying stuff i haven't even said...
hey, you think i do not know shit... fine by me.... i couldn't care less... ;D ;D ;D ;D
i know what i know....  i know what i have seen... i do not need to convince you....
i had friends that were Pro and top , elite amateurs......
why do you think I was the one that mentioned slin use at the correct doses... 300/400  iu's of humalog a day.... while everyone here was talking 20 iu post training ,lol...!!why?? because i saw it being done.
you do not like me, fine.....
you think i am a rascist , fine
you think i have a small dick , fine
you think i do not know shit about european steroids trade, fine....
i do not care .... lolol!
but i know my hormones buddy...


It's not like i don't like you man, i just can't stay shut hearing you telling me how thing are when i know for a fact they are different.
I held nothing against you.

If you are not a racist you sure hate a lot of ethnic groups. You just can't insult entire countries/ethnic groups based on small bad examples. I have a lot of bouncers friends that have had very bad incidents with brazilians here. But most brazilians are awsome people, relaxed and nice. I just don't go insulting them.
We have some severe gypsy assholes around here but most gypsies, besides our differences, just want to have a decent peacefull life.

I had pretty much gave up on this thread but when you came insulting deceiver when he clearly knows what he his talking about, i just couldn't stay shut.

I have no doubts about your knowledge about steroids, but how to buy them (legit) in south european countries you might learn a thing or two.

And that shit about your dick, come on man, i was just playing with you. I couldn't care less about your dick and i hope your dick feels the same.

Best regards for you and your family.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 14, 2012, 06:12:52 PM
It's not like i don't like you man, i just can't stay shut hearing you telling me how thing are when i know for a fact they are different.
I held nothing against you.

If you are not a racist you sure hate a lot of ethnic groups. You just can't insult entire countries/ethnic groups based on small bad examples. I have a lot of bouncers friends that have had very bad incidents with brazilians here. But most brazilians are awsome people, relaxed and nice. I just don't go insulting them.
We have some severe gypsy assholes around here but most gypsies, besides our differences, just want to have a decent peacefull life.

I had pretty much gave up on this thread but when you came insulting deceiver when he clearly knows what he his talking about, i just couldn't stay shut.

I have no doubts about your knowledge about steroids, but how to buy them (legit) in south european countries you might learn a thing or two.

And that shit about your dick, come on man, i was just playing with you. I couldn't care less about your dick and i hope your dick feels the same.

Best regards for you and your family.
look i know what i know , i know what my friends did, and where they did it and how...  ;)
you have your thoughts fine by me man...
about ethnic groups... i do not hate individuals.... but i have some problems with these groups..
in the Netherlands there are severe problems with certain groups. i am just not afraid to say it out loud...
maroccans, turks, antillians, joego's, and more scum.... they get to be that way because dutch law let's them.
i myself am a forreigner here in brasil, i adjust... respect the culture.... in the Netherlands these groups do not do that...!
ofcourse you have decent people, and yes i am generalising... i know... it's just i have seen to much..
and like i said, this is coming from someone who had friends in all of these ethnic groups...
and i did not insult anybody.... deceiver believes just because poland joined the eu it's a 1st world country...
it's far from it, i just pointed out problems, which he had no answers for btw...
and yes omnadren is now the same as sustanon.... i did not know that... maybe it's better now.... though i doubt it...
back in the day, me and all bodybuilders i knew never ever wanted omna's they were considered inferior...
and they were.... known not to be clean and pure... ofcourse there were good batches but it was very inconsistent.... and the old formula sucked.... like i said there is a reason sus is double the price of a omnadren....
i know i can come across as an arrogant prick..... i am just very direct.... but i also have no problem of admitting when i am wrong...

and my dick is just fine ... lol... he only worries about what misses Optimus thinks.... ;)
someone on getbig can think all he wants lol!!!!
as long as she is still screaming "CARALHO" and beating her hands against the wall..... i am doing just fine!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

thanx for the regards for my family... :)
idem dito..


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: D.O.U.P on February 14, 2012, 06:17:58 PM
It's not like i don't like you man, i just can't stay shut hearing you telling me how thing are when i know for a fact they are different.
I held nothing against you.

If you are not a racist you sure hate a lot of ethnic groups. You just can't insult entire countries/ethnic groups based on small bad examples. I have a lot of bouncers friends that have had very bad incidents with brazilians here. But most brazilians are awsome people, relaxed and nice. I just don't go insulting them.
We have some severe gypsy assholes around here but most gypsies, besides our differences, just want to have a decent peacefull life.

I had pretty much gave up on this thread but when you came insulting deceiver when he clearly knows what he his talking about, i just couldn't stay shut.

I have no doubts about your knowledge about steroids, but how to buy them (legit) in south european countries you might learn a thing or two.

And that shit about your dick, come on man, i was just playing with you. I couldn't care less about your dick and i hope your dick feels the same.

Best regards for you and your family.

LOWER the dose dude.


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: OptimusPrime1980 on February 14, 2012, 06:27:38 PM
LOWER the dose dude.
lot of estrogen related sides in this thread...
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Bible Index - Primobolana
Post by: flinstones1 on February 14, 2012, 07:32:22 PM
 Is there any truth to this here - that the new trend in modern bodybuilding to make up for poor response to AAS is insulin abuse? shuttling nutrients to muscle cells all day more efficiently, as well as decreasing protein breakdown (what insulin does) can compenstate for poor response to sex hormones I'm guessing...


.it really is amazing, why  response to anabolics varies so much person to person. I'm talking about anabolics only, I have yet to see a person I know not mutate with enough growth hormone but I've seen so many guys respond differently to steroids it's umbelievable. And you could never guess by looking at them either...peptides and sex hormones work through completely different mechanisms so it makes sense why one could have a horrible response to anabolics and respond like crazy to gh and slin..