190+ Bush Administration Scandals

[Decker]

And?  So what? 

All this evidence would prove an ongoing relationship with Lay in any court of law.

For Bush to claim "Ken who?" is just another lie in a long list of lies put out by the man.

No wonder you are not surprised.  You've become conditioned to accept this behaviour from our president.

[240 is Back]

Ron paul endorsed a second 911 investigation earlier this year.

He said we have no reason to suspect anyone, but lots of reasons to suspect the investigation was incomplete (as helf the 911 commissioners themselves have now stated)

[Decker]

lol.  "DNC donors were allowed to spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom for a contribution of $150,000."  http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html#Lincoln

Good luck with this one.   

And each Bush guest at the Lincoln bedroom ponied up btn $100,000 and $200,000 for the honor.

It doesn't matter to me either way.  As I've said, this is not a scandal for either Clinton or Bush.

The scandal comes into play when Bush hypocritically chastised Clinton for using the Lincoln Bedroom for supporters when he did the same exact thing.

[Dos Equis]

All this evidence would prove an ongoing relationship with Lay in any court of law.

For Bush to claim "Ken who?" is just another lie in a long list of lies put out by the man.

No wonder you are not surprised.  You've become conditioned to accept this behaviour from our president.

Evidence?  Hardly.  Letters sent to a governor's office that the governor doesn't read.  Flights on corporate jets for which the corporation was reimbursed.  Anyone trying to use that "evidence" to prove that Bush made policy decisions to benefit Enron would be laughed out of court. 

"Lies" from our presidents are hardly new.  Bush Sr. lied about his "read my lips" pledge.  I was NOT happy about that.  Clinton looked in the face of the American people and lied.  You should be pretty conditioned yourself.   

[Dos Equis]

And each Bush guest at the Lincoln bedroom ponied up btn $100,000 and $200,000 for the honor.

It doesn't matter to me either way.  As I've said, this is not a scandal for either Clinton or Bush.

The scandal comes into play when Bush hypocritically chastised Clinton for using the Lincoln Bedroom for supporters when he did the same exact thing.

That's precisely what I said in this thread about the list of "scandals."  It's partisan nonsense. 

[Decker]

Evidence?  Hardly.  Letters sent to a governor's office that the governor doesn't read.  Flights on corporate jets for which the corporation was reimbursed.  Anyone trying to use that "evidence" to prove that Bush made policy decisions to benefit Enron would be laughed out of court. 

"Lies" from our presidents are hardly new.  Bush Sr. lied about his "read my lips" pledge.  I was NOT happy about that.  Clinton looked in the face of the American people and lied.  You should be pretty conditioned yourself.   

Yes those are presidential lies too. 

We've already shown that Bush has a history of corresponding with Lay--read the letters, they are not unilateral missives.  We've already shown that Bush used the Enron Corporate Jet.  In other words, we have shown an ongoing relationship between the president of the united states and one of american history's biggest corporate felons.

You are correct Beach Bum, it is merely coincidence that Cheney kept all national energy policy meetings a secret and that the resulting energy policy shitcanning energy caps just happened to enrich Enron for millions.  It's that kind of circumstantial evidence that is just spinning.

Like it's been said, "justice may be blind, but it is not stupid."

And as a pre-emptive measure, there's no lawsuit b/c the president is immune and Enron has nothing to give.

I'm not conditioned to accept presidential lies.  I'm conditioned to point out those lies.

[Dos Equis]

Yes those are presidential lies too. 

We've already shown that Bush has a history of corresponding with Lay--read the letters, they are not unilateral missives.  We've already shown that Bush used the Enron Corporate Jet.  In other words, we have shown an ongoing relationship between the president of the united states and one of american history's biggest corporate felons.

You are correct Beach Bum, it is merely coincidence that Cheney kept all national energy policy meetings a secret and that the resulting energy policy shitcanning energy caps just happened to enrich Enron for millions.  It's that kind of circumstantial evidence that is just spinning.

Like it's been said, "justice may be blind, but it is not stupid."

And as a pre-emptive measure, there's no lawsuit b/c the president is immune and Enron has nothing to give.

I'm not conditioned to accept presidential lies.  I'm conditioned to point out those lies.

No, we didn't show a history of Bush corresponding with Lay.  I didn't read all of the letters, but what I saw was Lay sending letters to Bush as gov, and I pointed out how govs don't personally read their mail.  Were there letters from Bush to Lay?  Even if there were, that does not establish that Bush tried to make policy to benefit Enron. 

I think what you're doing is acting like a garden variety partisan on this Decker.  You're not simply pointing out lies and misconduct by government officials.  You're highlighting alleged misconduct and nefarious conspiracies involving Bush because you hate him so much.  At least that's the way it appears to me.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 

Here is another example of how the pendulum swings both ways (from an earlier thread):

Report: Hillary Clinton Big Money Donor Wanted for Grand Theft
Wednesday, August 29, 2007

U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton
A Democratic fundraiser who has raised $1 million for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says he has done nothing wrong and has asked no favors in return, but Norman Hsu didn't mention that he's a wanted man.

A California prosecutor says Hsu pleaded no contest to grand theft, was sentenced to three years in prison and then disappeared, The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295031,00.html

What is going on with these Democrats?  Fieger indicted for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164964.0

Married L.A. mayor sleeping with a news reporter who covers him.   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0

S.F. mayor sleeping with his campaign manager's wife.   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123851.0

Married New Jersey mayor having homosexual affair.   http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/

Member of Congress accepting bribes.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152739.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165554.0

[Decker]

No, we didn't show a history of Bush corresponding with Lay.  I didn't read all of the letters, but what I saw was Lay sending letters to Bush as gov, and I pointed out how govs don't personally read their mail.  Were there letters from Bush to Lay?  Even if there were, that does not establish that Bush tried to make policy to benefit Enron. 

I think what you're doing is acting like a garden variety partisan on this Decker.  You're not simply pointing out lies and misconduct by government officials.  You're highlighting alleged misconduct and nefarious conspiracies involving Bush because you hate him so much.  At least that's the way it appears to me.  Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. 

Here is another example of how the pendulum swings both ways (from an earlier thread):

Report: Hillary Clinton Big Money Donor Wanted for Grand Theft
Wednesday, August 29, 2007

U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton
A Democratic fundraiser who has raised $1 million for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says he has done nothing wrong and has asked no favors in return, but Norman Hsu didn't mention that he's a wanted man.

A California prosecutor says Hsu pleaded no contest to grand theft, was sentenced to three years in prison and then disappeared, The Los Angeles Times reported Wednesday.

. . .

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,295031,00.html

What is going on with these Democrats?  Fieger indicted for illegal campaign contributions to Edwards.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=164964.0

Married L.A. mayor sleeping with a news reporter who covers him.   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157718.0

S.F. mayor sleeping with his campaign manager's wife.   http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=123851.0

Married New Jersey mayor having homosexual affair.   http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/08/12/mcgreevey.nj/

Member of Congress accepting bribes.  http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=152739.0

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=165554.0

That's a nice diversion. 

How do you explain Bush's using the ENRON Jet 14 times for campaigning and claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay--Enron's CEO?

[Decker]

For you to not see any working connection between the men:

*Federal Election records would have to be wrong:  An analysis of Federal Election Commission records shows that Bush-Cheney paid Enron roughly $60,000 for use of its jet during the campaign. Federal rules permit such use, as long as the campaigns reimburse the company for the cost of a first-class plane ticket—a major bargain, considering corporate jets cost at least $1,000 per flight hour, not including other charges.

http://www.opensecrets.org/newsletter/ce74/flying.asp

*Political Donations would have to be anonymous b/c ENRON was Bush's single largest contributor to his 2 terms as gov. of texas:  an Austin-based non-profit research group, found in a January 2000 study that Enron was the biggest corporate supporter of Bush’s 1994 and 1998 gubernatorial campaigns in Texas, with its employees contributing more than $312,000 during the two races. Of that total, Enron chief Kenneth Lay contributed $100,000, making him one of the most generous individual contributors to Bush on the state level.  http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_other.asp


How totally insulated would Bush have to be to not know who Ken Lay was?

[Dos Equis]

That's a nice diversion. 

How do you explain Bush's using the ENRON Jet 14 times for campaigning and claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay--Enron's CEO?

What I did was provide examples of illegality, corruption, and misconduct that affects Democrats.  I understand why you won't touch those.  It would interfere with this partisan tactic. 

Where is the quote from Bush "claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay"?   

[Dos Equis]

For you to not see any working connection between the men:

*Federal Election records would have to be wrong:  An analysis of Federal Election Commission records shows that Bush-Cheney paid Enron roughly $60,000 for use of its jet during the campaign. Federal rules permit such use, as long as the campaigns reimburse the company for the cost of a first-class plane ticket—a major bargain, considering corporate jets cost at least $1,000 per flight hour, not including other charges.

http://www.opensecrets.org/newsletter/ce74/flying.asp

*Political Donations would have to be anonymous b/c ENRON was Bush's single largest contributor to his 2 terms as gov. of texas:  an Austin-based non-profit research group, found in a January 2000 study that Enron was the biggest corporate supporter of Bush’s 1994 and 1998 gubernatorial campaigns in Texas, with its employees contributing more than $312,000 during the two races. Of that total, Enron chief Kenneth Lay contributed $100,000, making him one of the most generous individual contributors to Bush on the state level.  http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/enron_other.asp


How totally insulated would Bush have to be to not know who Ken Lay was?

Again, and?  Big deal.  Are you trying to establish Bush lied about knowing Ken Lay (see my previous question) or are you trying to establish Bush made policy to benefit Enron based on campaign contributions? 

[240 is Back]

let's not forget the bulk of the Enron evidence being moved to World Trade 7 a few weeks before the attacks.  It was destroyed.  It happened to be the bulk of the evidence against Lay.  Once he was declared dead, the judge dismissed the case anyway for lack of evidence.  He would have walked anyway.  

[Decker]

What I did was provide examples of illegality, corruption, and misconduct that affects Democrats.  I understand why you won't touch those.  It would interfere with this partisan tactic. 

Where is the quote from Bush "claiming he'd never heard of Ken Lay"?   

I guess I was wrong.  I apologize. 

Here's President Bush identifying who Ken Lay was:

"He was a supporter of Ann Richards in my run in 1994. And she had named him the head of the Governor's Business Council. And I decided to leave him in place, just for the sake of continuity."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020110-1.html

See, he was a supporter of the democrat.

That figures.  Boy was I wrong about the president.

[Ozark]

let's not forget the bulk of the Enron evidence being moved to World Trade 7 a few weeks before the attacks.  It was destroyed.  It happened to be the bulk of the evidence against Lay.  Once he was declared dead, the judge dismissed the case anyway for lack of evidence.  He would have walked anyway. 

240,   Ken Lay was found Guilty on All Counts.  Lay died as he was awaiting sentencing,  A judge then vacated Lay's conviction.

[Dos Equis]

240,   Ken Lay was found Guilty on All Counts.  Lay died as he was awaiting sentencing,  A judge then vacated Lay's conviction.

Noooo.  Not the facts again.   

[JBGRAY]

Well, we can lay a lot of scandals and lies at the feet of all US Administrations.....just happens that Bush tops the list is all.

I won't even get into the bullshit I saw when I was on 3 different Caribbean Basin Counter-Drug Op deployments. 

[Brixtonbulldog]

Well, we can lay a lot of scandals and lies at the feet of all US Administrations.....just happens that Bush tops the list is all.

I won't even get into the bullshit I saw when I was on 3 different Caribbean Basin Counter-Drug Op deployments. 

Not even close.  And if you saw something yet don't contribute to the discussion then you don't have much to offer do you?

C'mon, spill it!!