Author Topic: New IFBB Pro Rules :The posing routine will not be scored? (Read 30613 times)

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #125 on:** October 20, 2009, 10:32:48 AM »

Quote from: The Showstoppa on October 20, 2009, 10:26:37 AM

Milos has spoken.

A-men!

Bobby · « **Reply #126 on:** October 20, 2009, 10:48:11 AM »

Milos, would you say this is your best?

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #127 on:** October 20, 2009, 10:58:18 AM »

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #128 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:06:33 AM »

C'mon, you bitches should arrange a good workout and smoke a pipe afterward.

Chick · « **Reply #129 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:23:00 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on October 20, 2009, 10:24:05 AM

Ouch Bobby The Clown stating yet another nonsense...
I have as much to do with the IFBB as any anonymous gimmick on this site...?

I had 10 consecutive Mr. Olympia qualifications, title of the IFBB PRO Champion and 72 IFBB pro shows "under my belt".
I've assisted numerous IFBB pros throughout the years and helped many promoters in their efforts to put great IFBB shows - for the fans...

My unjustifiable suspension should be embarrassment for the Federation and for the record - I'll give you a chance to show your "testicular fortitude" once again...Bozo.

No need...what you DID was in the past. In the PRESENT, you're not a part of the IFBB in any way shape or form...fact is..you're a FORMER member of the Pro League, that means you have NO impact and no say on what goes on TODAY.

You already owe me $50 K for one of your common, typical, everyday "getbig" stupidity (hence saying: stupid is what ~~stupid~~ Bob does) - betting me that you were able to purchase Humalog - WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION in particular store in Southern California...and I guarantee that you didn't...All you could get was Humulin R, N, U, L...and maybe mixes...but 100% for sure - NOT HUMALOG!
Not now, not ever...as simply - anyone could check rules and regulations of California pharmaceutical laws...and realize that Humalog was available only through valid Rx - medical prescription...

No one owes you anything moron, as you would have no way of knowing who I know or what transpired...fact is, I was able to get BOTH without Rx...prove I wasnt

So, after you've put your both feet in your (fortunately...I guess?) big mouth - and realized that you are in trouble - as your usual chicken-shit self with zero integrity - what did you do...?

Of course - instead of admitting your mistake - you manipulated the truth...as always.

Again, no need to manipulate anything...If we were ever in a position to have a polygraph taken, we would see who "wins" the bet...you're just too fuckin stupid to know what it is you're betting...It makes no difference what the law states, only what I was able to do

Whats more - you felt the need to challenge me and bet me...and not just bet me...but throw some fortune ~~cookies~~...I mean balls at me - checking my "testicular fortitude"...

So, I called your bluff and raised your bet from $5000 to $50000...as anything else would be considered - lousy "estrogenous foreplay" in comparison...

Now, you can take me up on double or nothing...as I am going to tell you that I am coming back to MY CHOSEN FEDERATION, where I spent most of my life in...and as you are suggesting otherwise - here is your opportunity to "get me"...

You want to bet that I will NOT be reinstated (as you are so arrogantly saying)?

I dont give a rats ass either way...

Common Bobby - check those raisins down there and put your money where your mouth is ...

I'll be glad to accept your offer.

Accept this....I dont care. You mean nothing to me whether you're back in the club or not...

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #130 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:29:48 AM »

Quote from: Bobby on October 20, 2009, 10:48:11 AM

Milos, would you say this is your best?

Yes - that was the look I considered "ideal" (for me - that is...)...but that would get me 10th place at the Olympia...so I made a mistake and listened to "experts" - got 20+ pounds bigger/heavier - and lost "my body"...

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #131 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:31:19 AM »

And just when I was ready to make the comeback...I got suspended...

2006 - October..in Romania with Mr. Olympia Jay Cutler

affeman · « **Reply #132 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:38:43 AM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on October 20, 2009, 11:29:48 AM

Yes - that was the look I considered "ideal" (for me - that is...)...but that would get me 10th place at the Olympia...so I made a mistake and listened to "experts" - got 20+ pounds bigger/heavier - and lost "my body"...

Wow Milos, you're hot. If I ever had to fuck a guy, I'd choose you (no homo).

jwb · « **Reply #133 on:** October 20, 2009, 11:50:48 AM »

Quote from: Chick on October 20, 2009, 04:43:18 AM

Yet, he managed to only place 4th in the posing round...

case and point

The guy was only 176lbs he probably would have been 6th if he wasn't the best poser... It did contribute to his placing back then.

Problem is the judges got lazy around 1996...

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #134 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:04:51 PM »

No one owes you anything moron, as you would have no way of knowing who I know or what transpired...fact is, I was able to get BOTH without Rx...prove I wasnt

Moron is that asshole staring at you every time you look in the mirror (checking how is your wig holding in Florida's humidity...)

Now, THIS IS exactly what I am saying by "Bobservations" and manipulations...

As you would like to assume that I would have no way of knowing who you know or what transpired - you are talking big again...but I have already figured you out - puppet...TRUTH finds its way out every time - and I can easily take all your "facts"

and prove it to you - without shadow of the doubt that you might got both Humulin R and Humulin N at the time - without Rx...but HUMALOG - you couldn't possibly...and YES, there is a way of knowing...For MY $50000 bet money that I have won, here on this very board as you were the one checking my testicular fortitude...I'll find MANY WAYS to prove it...You can run but you cannot hide...and I'll collect my money - as I've earned it.

That will teach you a lesson - to be KIND to people and hopefully - to loose that arrogant attitude of yours.

Mustafa owes me money - and I collected partial of that money as I was there at the pro shows where he earned some prize money...With every effort to convince me to let him have it - I didn't. I took what was mine...Probably that might be a reason he is not competing anymore...?

In your case I will PROVE that I won our bet - fairly...with witnesses - your witnesses IF YOU CHOSE TO PICK SOME?

Unfortunately for you - some things are much easier to prove than what people think...and our bet is one of those...so keep hopping that "you got away with it"...

Again, no need to manipulate anything...If we were ever in a position to have a polygraph taken, we would see who "wins" the bet...you're just too fuckin stupid to know what it is you're betting...It makes no difference what the law states, only what I was able to do

IF ?
Like IF is really a question?
WHEN - is much better question to ask...and whenever that is going to happen - I will inform Ron - to come with his camcorder and make getbig special...pay-per-view event...

And stop encouraging yourself that I am just too fuckin stupid to know what is that I am betting...I ALWAYS DO...AND ESPECIALLY something that is posted on public forum for World to see...IN WRITING!!! You imbecile! [ And as you can see I am giving you more IQ points than I should by calling you imbecile rather than idiot - which is my choice of words for you most of the time...but considering that IQ of the idiot is 0-25, imbecile 26-50 and moron 51-70 [thank you for giving me honor of being called moron... ;)I guess...

My choice to call you imbecile was not so much because your mental retardation but more cause of other two things: criminal tendencies and weak-mindedness...all you are paragon for - no doubt.

I dont give a rats ass either way...

Really?

Again, keep hopping and encouraging yourself that you might just get away with it...but you should give a rats ass when you owe someone $50 Grand...

Accept this....I dont care. You mean nothing to me whether you're back in the club or not...

Accept this...I don't think so....I will mean A LOT to you when I get back...a lot of green ones...your greens that you lost due to your obvious imbecility...

Milos_Sarcev · « **Reply #135 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:09:36 PM »

Quote from: affeman on October 20, 2009, 11:38:43 AM

Wow Milos, you're hot. If I ever had to fuck a guy, I'd choose you (no homo).

Nasser, for the last time: get lost!
Try Bobby the puppet...or Bob...but leave me a fuck alone.

Just because my ~~boy~~best friend is gay doesn't mean I am too...

jwb · « **Reply #136 on:** October 20, 2009, 12:22:07 PM »

back to the debate...

why was there a separate round for presentation (essentially posing) scoring anyway?

in ice skating they do their long program at the finals and technical and artistic scores are given from the one round.

Why can't the judges in bb give presentation scores based on all the rounds as a separate score?

Someone might be great at showing his ass and win the posing award yet not be able to do a single compulsory correctly...

why not have all three rounds and then score 1. size, 2. proportion/symmetry, 3. conditioning, 4. presentation as equal factors?

Chick · « **Reply #137 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:02:34 PM »

Quote from: Milos_Sarcev on October 20, 2009, 12:04:51 PM

No one owes you anything moron, as you would have no way of knowing who I know or what transpired...fact is, I was able to get BOTH without Rx...prove I wasnt

Moron is that asshole staring at you every time you look in the mirror (checking how is your wig holding in Florida's humidity...)

Now, THIS IS exactly what I am saying by "Bobservations" and manipulations...

As you would like to assume that I would have no way of knowing who you know or what transpired - you are talking big again...but I have already figured you out - puppet...TRUTH finds its way out every time - and I can easily take all your "facts" and prove it to you - without shadow of the doubt that you might got both Humulin R and Humulin N at the time - without Rx...but HUMALOG - you couldn't possibly...and YES, there is a way of knowing...For MY $50000 bet money that I have won, here on this very board as you were the one checking my testicular fortitude...I'll find MANY WAYS to prove it...You can run but you cannot hide...and I'll collect my money - as I've earned it.

That will teach you a lesson - to be KIND to people and hopefully - to loose that arrogant attitude of yours.

Mustafa owes me money - and I collected partial of that money as I was there at the pro shows where he earned some prize money...With every effort to convince me to let him have it - I didn't. I took what was mine...Probably that might be a reason he is not competing anymore...?

In your case I will PROVE that I won our bet - fairly...with witnesses - your witnesses IF YOU CHOSE TO PICK SOME?

Unfortunately for you - some things are much easier to prove than what people think...and our bet is one of those...so keep hopping that "you got away with it"...

Again, no need to manipulate anything...If we were ever in a position to have a polygraph taken, we would see who "wins" the bet...you're just too fuckin stupid to know what it is you're betting...It makes no difference what the law states, only what I was able to do

IF ?
Like IF is really a question?
WHEN - is much better question to ask...and whenever that is going to happen - I will inform Ron - to come with his camcorder and make getbig special...pay-per-view event...

And stop encouraging yourself that I am just too fuckin stupid to know what is that I am betting...I ALWAYS DO...AND ESPECIALLY something that is posted on public forum for World to see...IN WRITING!!! You imbecile! [ And as you can see I am giving you more IQ points than I should by calling you imbecile rather than idiot - which is my choice of words for you most of the time...but considering that IQ of the idiot is 0-25, imbecile 26-50 and moron 51-70 [thank you for giving me honor of being called moron... ;)I guess...

My choice to call you imbecile was not so much because your mental retardation but more cause of other two things: criminal tendencies and weak-mindedness...all you are paragon for - no doubt.

I dont give a rats ass either way...

Really?

Again, keep hopping and encouraging yourself that you might just get away with it...but you should give a rats ass when you owe someone $50 Grand...

Accept this....I dont care. You mean nothing to me whether you're back in the club or not...

Accept this...I don't think so....I will mean A LOT to you when I get back...a lot of green ones...your greens that you lost due to your obvious imbecility...

LOL...you need to put the crack pipe down Gumby...you cant prove but two things...Jack and SHIT

Topskin69 · « **Reply #138 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:28:00 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 20, 2009, 04:43:18 AM

Yet, he managed to only place 4th in the posing round...

case and point

No Chick...you are missing the point entirely... The entire Judging system needs to be overhauled and reconsidered, if Lee Labrada gets 4th in any posing round. That is absurd and both you and I know it. The answer isn't to say, "well the judging is screwed up, so we will just default to having a little sideshow attraction, with a Best Poser award." If the judges cant appropriately asses posing, and score it accordingly, then they sure as hell wont do it when handing out "Best Poser" awards. Again...this just means a few more paydays for Melvin, before this idea is scrapped, and you are towing the line, for another half-assed cause.

OVERHAUL THE SYSTEM, or ROTATE THE JUDGES.

M!

churbro · « **Reply #139 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:31:25 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 20, 2009, 06:44:47 AM

So whats the "value" of posing? 10%? 40%? 90%? you cant compare diametrically different routines...

Then under this new system how are the judges going to award 10k to the "best" posing routine? Are there going to be defined rules or guidelines as to what constitutes a good posing routine, or will other factors such as audience reaction be taken into account. As you say, you cant compare a Ed Corney type of routine with a Kai Greene routine, so it's just going to come down to the preference of each individual judge, in which case it makes the whole idea seem kind of pointless.

Chick · « **Reply #140 on:** October 20, 2009, 01:51:25 PM »

Quote from: Topskin69 on October 20, 2009, 01:28:00 PM

No Chick...you are missing the point entirely... The entire Judging system needs to be overhauled and reconsidered, if Lee Labrada gets 4th in any posing round. That is absurd and both you and I know it. The answer isn't to say, "well the judging is screwed up, so we will just default to having a little sideshow attraction, with a Best Poser award." If the judges cant appropriately asses posing, and score it accordingly, then they sure as hell wont do it when handing out "Best Poser" awards. Again...this just means a few more paydays for Melvin, before this idea is scrapped, and you are towing the line, for another half-assed cause.

OVERHAUL THE SYSTEM, or ROTATE THE JUDGES.

M!

The point YOU'RE missing is that we dont need ANOTHER round to assess a physique...and certainly not the "posing round". Being the best poser, deosnt equate to being the best PHYSIQUE, necessarily...

Last time I checked, they were still physique competitions

MB · « **Reply #141 on:** October 20, 2009, 04:56:33 PM »

I believe Wayne Demilia said that the Night of Champions was the first show to have posing routines set to music. I think it was a great marketing angle that brought some creativity and a larger audience to the night show. Whether it is scored or not doesn't change the outcome of the show because it's still a physique competition. I would make it a competition within itself, set some rules, and take it back to a classical display.

Chick · « **Reply #142 on:** October 20, 2009, 05:25:15 PM »

Quote from: MB on October 20, 2009, 04:56:33 PM

I believe Wayne Demilia said that the Night of Champions was the first show to have posing routines set to music. I think it was a great marketing angle that brought some creativity and a larger audience to the night show. Whether it is scored or not doesn't change the outcome of the show because it's still a physique competition. I would make it a competition within itself, set some rules, and take it back to a classical display.

ahhhhhh....no

I believe Wayne missed it by about 25 years or so

erics · « **Reply #143 on:** October 20, 2009, 06:01:39 PM »

Quote from: Chick on October 20, 2009, 08:03:04 AM

The use of props is NOT inconsequential to the issue...

Actually, the use of props is inconsequential. Personally, I think the use of props in competition is absurd but their use or not has nothing to do with the issue of how do the other artisitc/creative sports deal with subjectivity.

Quote from: Chick on October 20, 2009, 08:03:04 AM

The only real issue is elimination of a outdated, useless scoring round that limits the creativity and potential money earning to athletes...

You mean like the posedown round?

If you cannot see what separates a reason from a justification than the only replies fans will get are media oneliners and soundbites. If the discussions within the organisation are done with such oneliners and soundbites...

If it is simply a matter of the names of the rounds causing problems, then a useful question you can ask is in what way can the IFBB make best use of what the names imply in order to develop the sport?

The reason this question is useful is because it provides direction for the discussion and debate.

Again, I am not trying to cause problems or get on your nerves or anythng like that.

(so much for me calling it quits with this thread...!)

Flexb · « **Reply #144 on:** October 20, 2009, 06:10:19 PM »

The best posing Routine I've seen.. The last half

erics · « **Reply #145 on:** October 20, 2009, 06:14:51 PM »

Quote from: churbro on October 20, 2009, 01:31:25 PM

Are there going to be defined rules or guidelines as to what constitutes a good posing routine...

Good question.

There ought to be.

The purpose of such rules and guidelines would be to ensure a minimum standard of quality.

jtsunami · « **Reply #146 on:** October 20, 2009, 08:14:34 PM »

Bob just doesn't know when to quit

soon enough he'll hit the other side of the earth considering how much nonsense he is talking.

jt

Vince B · « **Reply #147 on:** October 20, 2009, 08:30:59 PM »

Now we see clearly demonstrated why Bob was appointed pro athletes rep. He is one of the backroom, inside boys who makes decisions in the Pro League. The league should be deposited outside the 200 mile limit because the stench is rather tasteless.

Bob could give a rat's ass about bodybuilding and the guys competing. That is why he can be the MC and also comment on the radio about the physiques, etc. The IFBB is nothing but an asskissing organization. Musclemen learn early to cooperate and nothing has changed that I have seen.

Milos should have something to say about judging, not Bob C, patsy extraordinaire.

jtsunami · « **Reply #148 on:** October 20, 2009, 08:35:28 PM »

those are some monster shoes on the guy in the white suit

jwb · « **Reply #149 on:** October 20, 2009, 09:50:05 PM »

why not judge the whole thing at night?

round 1- determination of the top ten via comparisons-judges figure out their favourite ten not exact placings yet... guys out of top ten are now out... once top ten is determined the scores are thrown out.

round 2- top ten free posing routines - not scored but since the top ten judging is yet to be done the guys try their best to make a good impression before round 3.

round 3- determination of the top 6 via comparisons... 7-10 are now out.... scores are thrown out again.

round 4- posedown and extra comparisons as needed to determine placings 1-6.

with each round the guys get a chance to move up and improve rather than it all be over in the first 5 mins of the prejudging.

the crowd gets to play a part in the show and watch the eliminations and they aren't forced to watch routines of guys out of the top ten.