Police State - Official Thread

[Dos Equis]

Like the gestapo nazis who showed up at this innocent guys home?   

Nah.  Just in general.  You disagree that you are in imminent danger when someone points a weapon at you? 

C'mon dude.  Are you really saying that if someone points a weapon at you, you will tell them to drop their weapon, ask them if it's loaded, ensure it's not safe, etc.?   You know good and well if someone pointed a weapon at you, and you were armed, you'd cap them.  I know I would. 

[Soul Crusher]

Ha ha ha ha.   Oh lord.   

She said she saw mwn w guns attacking the house.  She is supposed to assume they are cops when no marked cars or uniformed police are rthere? 

How you defend this really is beyond my comprehension, especially since they have already been caught in about 5 lies so far.

[Dos Equis]

Ha ha ha ha.   Oh lord.  

She said she saw mwn w guns attacking the house.  She is supposed to assume they are cops when no marked cars or uniformed police are rthere?  

How you defend this really is beyond my comprehension, especially since they have already been caught in about 5 lies so far.

I'm not defending what happened.  I need more information.  But . . . based on what I've seen so far, I find it hard to believe she didn't know SWAT was at the door.  I also think the guy was dumb to point a weapon at the police, especially if the weapon was on safe.  

Not sure how you can condemn the police without knowing what really happened.  

[Dos Equis]

That's not inherently true and it's not what is taught at most police academy training... at least not the ones I used to assist with.

I call BS.   

[kcballer]

Don't point a gun at police officers or you will be shot.  He pointed a gun, and got shot. 

Officers will get off and move onward and upward in their careers. 

[Soul Crusher]

I don't believe there is any justification on a search warrant alone for these type of tactics in the first place.

[kcballer]

I don't believe there is any justification on a search warrant alone for these type of tactics in the first place.

It's not your call.  You aren't putting yourself in danger are you?  So STFU. 

[Dos Equis]

Unless a person has killed someone already, there is no call for imminent danger, now if he has already killed someone, then you are well within legal law to kill that person.

If you had police training, and this is what you were taught and/or believe, then you should demand a refund. 

I don't believe any legitimate law enforcement agency taught you that kind of nonsense.  That is absolutely ridiculous.   

[Soul Crusher]

No kidding TU. We are all guilty until proven innocent now.

[Dos Equis]

It's often a judgement call, but considering who you are, and you are simply believing this on your own opinion, I'll let you slide.

This is not a "war" there Beach... These are citizens of the United States of America we are talking about... Not enemy combatants.

When a police officer kills an individual he is becoming the judge and jury and denying that citizen due process... So no... I don't think my training and education in the criminal justice field needs a refund.

You simply need to be educated.

Absurd.  Nobody taught you that crap.  I challenge you to find one piece of paper from the use of force guidelines from any law enforcement agency in the country that says:  "Unless a person has killed someone already, there is no call for imminent danger, now if he has already killed someone, then you are well within legal law to kill that person." 

I'll apologize to you if you find something.  But I doubt you will, because that's just retarded. 

[Soul Crusher]

They created the situation by showing up like that. 

Regular search warrants are not supposed to be served like this. 

[Dos Equis]

You don't have to go far... A quick google will show you the extreme instances when the use of deadly force is warranted.

There are hundreds of cases to back my opinion and many less to back yours.

Since you disbelieve... and are in the minority, why don't you prove ME wrong... You're the one who says I'm full of shit... so you show me.

Being a cop doesn't give you some ability to choose to use deadly force more so than the average citizen.

You pull something out of your rear end and ask me to disprove it?  Absolutely not. 

[Dos Equis]

Today a three-judge panel of the Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals held that in a deadly force case brought under the Fourth Amendment, the jury must affirmative be instructed that: "The use of deadly force is inappropriate unless the police officer had probable cause to believe that the suspect posed a threat of serious harm to the officers or others." 

Sorry, but this does not support your position.  An officer has probable cause to believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious harm to officer if the suspect is pointing an assault rifle at him.

To quote Drinking With Bob:  It's common-freaking-sense.  

Since you claim to have had police training, post something (if you still have it) from the portion of your training that discusses the use of deadly force, which confirms your earlier claim about when it's appropriate.  

[Dos Equis]

Right... So you know more than me, even though I'm the one with experience, but I have to prove it because you choose to not believe it.

Bullshit.

No. You made a retarded statement and asked me to disprove it.  Not going to happen.  
  

[Deicide]

If you had police training, and this is what you were taught and/or believe, then you should demand a refund. 

I don't believe any legitimate law enforcement agency taught you that kind of nonsense.  That is absolutely ridiculous.   

You also believe that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was legitimate and real.

[Dos Equis]

You think I'm just hanging on to police policies... Fuck off Beach.

I have been involved in the scenarios... you haven't... go fuck yourself.

Of course you don't believe it... You just wanna claim you know everything. Guess what genius... You don't.

LOL!  Is that all you got?     I don't know quite a bit.  But one thing I do know is you are full of crap on this.  I can't believe you actually believe some of the stuff you say.    

[Dos Equis]

You also believe that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was legitimate and real.

What??  lol.  What the heck?  lol . . . .

[Deicide]

What??  lol.  What the heck?  lol . . . .

That's just another way of saying that you are incredulous when someone makes known that the government has done something fishy.The Gulf of Tonkin is just one example. Another would be multiple instances of our CIA helping to assassinate elected leaders of other countries, installing dictators and turning a blind eye to their crimes. You think it simply did not happen.

[Dos Equis]

That's just another way of saying that you are incredulous when someone makes known that the government has done something fishy.The Gulf of Tonkin is just one example. Another would be multiple instances of our CIA helping to assassinate elected leaders of other countries, installing dictators and turning a blind eye to their crimes. You think it simply did not happen.

What the heck you talking about?   I thought the issue was when a police officer can use deadly force?   

[Jadeveon Clowney]

You think I'm just hanging on to police policies... Fuck off Beach.

I have been involved in the scenarios... you haven't... go fuck yourself.

Of course you don't believe it... You just wanna claim you know everything. Guess what genius... You don't.

You've been meltdowning at an alarming rate lately... que pasa, holmes?

[Dos Equis]

That's because you're scared to fucking look.

What I find the most funny... is that one day, you're gonna be fucked over, or your kid is going to get fucked over, and then you will be the one bitching and complaining.

So now you're resorting to the elementary school "you're scared" approach?  C'mon man.  lol . . . .

I tell you what, this is only the internet.  It's only a message board.  You don't have to support anything you say.  I aint mad atcha.  Take a few deep breaths.  

But what you said is still retarded.  

[Soul Crusher]

That's how I look at it.  Beach I am sure is well meaning, buts needs to realize that happened to that ex marine could happen to him or anyone just even the smallest change of circumstances.

[Jadeveon Clowney]

That's how I look at it.  Beach I am sure is well meaning, buts needs to realize that happened to that ex marine could happen to him or anyone just even the smallest change of circumstances.

Probably not.... you're taking what happens to maybe .001% of the population and trying to act like it's happening all over the place.

[Dos Equis]

That's how I look at it.  Beach I am sure is well meaning, buts needs to realize that happened to that ex marine could happen to him or anyone just even the smallest change of circumstances.

Abuse of police power can happen to anyone. 

[Dos Equis]

No... I'm just tired of talking to you because you're a fucking idiot.

I ain't mad at you either... you're just a buffoon.

Here is an easy solution:  don't engage me.  

This is the part where say you're not posting in the thread anymore.