matt ogus looks to have a fat dopey face but shredded body

[arce1988]

  Thanks Coach.

[The True Adonis]

youre in the top 10 i respect on this board along with mr nobody and some others but i think your fuckin dreaming about squating that much but hey maybe im just jealous

Like a boss.

[Twaddle]

No, but I was a fat 235 lbs at the time.  Also Deadlifting 600. 


My Squat is now inching up to what I could do at 235 only now I am a very lean 175-178.  Using low bar technique.


You don`t have to believe me if you don`t want to.

Exactly you were a fat 235 squatting 405 x 5 as you say.  Ogus is about 180-190 in that squat vid.  He's 5'7".  at 7:50 in the vid, he squats 450 x 2 easy reps.  

I respect you as somebody that knows a lot about nutrition, and bodybuilding.  However, you're delusional if you think this kid is natural.  I've known a lot of steroid abusers in my life, and this kid is not natural.  He may be clean at certain times, but he most certainly didn't build that body naturally.  Same goes for Dave Goodin.  He claims 100% natural, and dominated the TX shredder for years.  He's not natural either.    

[Jovo]

Natural ? yea depends what you think is natural.

Maybe not fullblown gram of test/tren, but this guy IS using clen/efedrin and hardening agents that are derived from DHT ( anavar, winstrol/stana / superdrol ect)

[arce1988]

  Great post twaddle.

[arce1988]

 

[Papper]

I'd rather be lean in the face and have som stomach fat than vice versa. Puffy face is instant fail.

[cephissus]

i've deadlifted 10 less pounds than this, but my best ever squat is 405 low bar, for 1 rep.

315 x 12 is the best i could do for high reps.

i'm not good at squatting, but 470 x 5 olympic style is extremely good.  i've seen one person do that in real life, and he was a near 300 lb football player no doubt far from natural.

[The True Adonis]

i've deadlifted 10 less pounds than this, but my best ever squat is 405 low bar, for 1 rep.

315 x 12 is the best i could do for high reps.

i'm not good at squatting, but 470 x 5 olympic style is extremely good.  i've seen one person do that in real life, and he was a near 300 lb football player no doubt far from natural.

There are plenty random lifetime Naturals hitting 500 plus in squats.  This guy is 167 lbs and hitting it.

[The True Adonis]

Look at this guy squatting 500 for 6 reps.

[Kwon_2]

I'd rather be lean in the face and have som stomach fat than vice versa. Puffy face is instant fail.

How is that possible though? That's impossible for many of us

[The True Adonis]

ATG 405 for 9 Olympic Lifetime Natural Drug Free at 175 lbs.

[Papper]

How is that possible though? That's impossible for many of us

Idk some have lean faces just from good diet and drinking water and still some fat on midsection.. I have a strip of fat on the abs left when all else is gone.

[kreator]

mr matt loves his orals 

[Costanza]

i want to sleep with my face close to her butthole long enough to get a rash on my face

x2

[Jovo]

ill by default not believe any natural claims anymore.

all liars.

you know who ill believe hes natural?

the guys who lived before steroids were invented.

thatll be mr sandow.and was quite the twink with 13inch toothpick arms

from what I recall about sandow, he was naturally shredded type guy, with FAT wrists and bone structure... Guys like that can get huge

[Marty Champions]

Like a boss.

thats about 520 on deadlifts, that is boss n1gga weight

but thats not 450 squat all the way to they flo'

[deceiver]

How is that possible though? That's impossible for many of us

That's called water retention and is caused by steroids.

Whenever I read TA saying "no, he's lifetime natural", "no, you're wrong, he's lifetime natural" I fucking vomit. First of all, you arrogant dumbfuck, who gives a fuck? Results are what is important, not how you achieved it. Secondly, how the fuck can you know? Have you carefully examined their butts so you know for sure they werent tainted by dirty needles?

3x bodyweight squat is awesome no matter what you took. 2.5 bodyweight squat is good in my book no matter what you took. It's not like you take some testosterone and boom, you can squat 200kg. No, it doesn't work like that. I know a guy who squatted 200kg, deadlifted 250kg and benched 150kg all with good form (he's IPF competitor) at 75kg NATURAL. Then he started steroids and took it to whole another level. I know because I advised him what to take. I admit that I am weaker than this guy because I just don't have so much talent AND good trainer around me. My technique blows and it takes away about 20kg from my squat I believe.

So fucking what, 2 years from now and more needles in my butt and more hard work in the gym and I'm gonna be stronger than him.

Seriously, this whole "I AM NATURAL" shit is so fucking boring. That's an excuse to be average or, in this particular case, attention whoring. Maybe we should create division for guys who don't eat more than 1g of protein per kg. Or divison for guys who don't train at all. Fuck those cheaters who go to the gym, there are guys who are naturally strong! If you're competetive in something then you do WHATEVER IT TAKES to be the best in what you do. That's obvious to anyone above 120 IQ or even less.

[Marty Champions]

That's called water retention and is caused by steroids.

Whenever I read TA saying "no, he's lifetime natural", "no, you're wrong, he's lifetime natural" I fucking vomit. First of all, you arrogant dumbfuck, who gives a fuck? Results are what is important, not how you achieved it. Secondly, how the fuck can you know? Have you carefully examined their butts so you know for sure they werent tainted by dirty needles?

3x bodyweight squat is awesome no matter what you took. 2.5 bodyweight squat is good in my book no matter what you took. It's not like you take some testosterone and boom, you can squat 200kg. No, it doesn't work like that. I know a guy who squatted 200kg, deadlifted 250kg and benched 150kg all with good form (he's IPF competitor) at 75kg NATURAL. Then he started steroids and took it to whole another level. I know because I advised him what to take. I admit that I am weaker than this guy because I just don't have so much talent AND good trainer around me. My technique blows and it takes away about 20kg from my squat I believe.

So fucking what, 2 years from now and more needles in my butt and more hard work in the gym and I'm gonna be stronger than him.

Seriously, this whole "I AM NATURAL" shit is so fucking boring. That's an excuse to be average or, in this particular case, attention whoring. Maybe we should create division for guys who don't eat more than 1g of protein per kg. Or divison for guys who don't train at all. Fuck those cheaters who go to the gym, there are guys who are naturally strong! If you're competetive in something then you do WHATEVER IT TAKES to be the best in what you do. That's obvious to anyone above 120 IQ or even less.

thats wrong in so many circumstances
clearly you are stupid when you wrote that

probably the dumbest thing you could think of and you posted that statement .

or maybe thats what you beleive and your parents were some loser redneck shot gun hunters in the trailer park

[Marine]

Matt Ogus is not natty,,,,,,bloated face, bad asian genetics,,,,,,LISTEN to me fellas.......5''5 is 130lbs DRY...,,,,bodybuilda on stage....If 131 he's been on hormones.....this guys is obvious abuser.......

Marine approved

[prizm]

nah, a guy with zyzzs random astetic frame still has yet to show up.

naso

[arce1988]

deceiver is correct

[Papper]

thats wrong in so many circumstances
clearly you are stupid when you wrote that

probably the dumbest thing you could think of and you posted that statement .

or maybe thats what you beleive and your parents were some loser redneck shot gun hunters in the trailer park

Laughed my ass off to this. Flawless victory

[The True Adonis]

That's called water retention and is caused by steroids.

Whenever I read TA saying "no, he's lifetime natural", "no, you're wrong, he's lifetime natural" I fucking vomit. First of all, you arrogant dumbfuck, who gives a fuck? Results are what is important, not how you achieved it. Secondly, how the fuck can you know? Have you carefully examined their butts so you know for sure they werent tainted by dirty needles?

3x bodyweight squat is awesome no matter what you took. 2.5 bodyweight squat is good in my book no matter what you took. It's not like you take some testosterone and boom, you can squat 200kg. No, it doesn't work like that. I know a guy who squatted 200kg, deadlifted 250kg and benched 150kg all with good form (he's IPF competitor) at 75kg NATURAL. Then he started steroids and took it to whole another level. I know because I advised him what to take. I admit that I am weaker than this guy because I just don't have so much talent AND good trainer around me. My technique blows and it takes away about 20kg from my squat I believe.

So fucking what, 2 years from now and more needles in my butt and more hard work in the gym and I'm gonna be stronger than him.

Seriously, this whole "I AM NATURAL" shit is so fucking boring. That's an excuse to be average or, in this particular case, attention whoring. Maybe we should create division for guys who don't eat more than 1g of protein per kg. Or divison for guys who don't train at all. Fuck those cheaters who go to the gym, there are guys who are naturally strong! If you're competetive in something then you do WHATEVER IT TAKES to be the best in what you do. That's obvious to anyone above 120 IQ or even less.

You are a homosexual.  I support your right to marry by the way.

[Parker]

nah, a guy with zyzzs random astetic frame still has yet to show up.

this guy is more shredded yeah,but its not the same.