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« Reply #400 on: May 05, 2006, 07:44:45 AM »

 What a great thread.

 
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Radio show. Hmm.. a radio show that people can listen to and haer these guys talk... wow. Is there something like that Bob? Dan? Letís make one, and get these guys to go on, one by one, in an hourly format Wink

I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.

I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.




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« Reply #401 on: May 05, 2006, 07:49:07 AM »

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control.

IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle.  They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth.  You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.
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« Reply #402 on: May 05, 2006, 07:54:14 AM »

I think Lee or any other person could use other cases.  It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offeneses that are considered equally wrong by the organization.  The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.  

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« Reply #403 on: May 05, 2006, 07:54:54 AM »

What a great thread.

 
I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

Why does the IFBB not push for more exposure? It seems to me that they just have the ship on cruise control. I live in L.A. and for the Olympia, the only coverage I saw was in BB mags and a 2 minute pony show with Gunter ,Mustaffa, and the weatherman on the morning news station. He spent more time trying to pronounce their names than they did talking about the Olympia. There are entire channels now devoted to fitness, yet I don't see any IFBB advertisements on there even. People don't order Pay-Per-View for things they aren't already interested in beforehand, but they will spend an hour watching just about any crap on regular t.v.

I am glad the PDI is going to try to make a go of things, if only for the fact that it might wake up the IFBB. They don't try to get new fans and they run off existing fans with sub-par productions.






I don't think the Bodybuilding as a whole can push for greater exposure or marketability right now.
With the "hard on" the American Government has over steroids use, BBing would be ripped apart if they make alot of noise right now.  They have to keep their collective heads low and hope the Government doesn't try to deflect improtant issues such as Iraq or unemployment away from the public eye and expose how evil bodybuilding is, with all its accepted use of steroids. 

Lord knows how much safer the world would be if the great Government had all the dangerous steroids droids off the street. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #404 on: May 05, 2006, 08:19:51 AM »

I think Lee or any other person could use other cases.  It could go towards showing pattern of behavior in the IFBB and how they do not have equal sanctioning for offenses that are considered equally wrong by the organization.  The porn example would work in his case if argued correctly and trust me, lawyers can bullshit any point.  

True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose
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« Reply #405 on: May 05, 2006, 08:37:25 AM »

IMO, the IFBB is in cruise control because they're in the milking stage of the product life cycle.  They're no longer interested in new opportunities and growth.  You see individuals like Solomon doing their things, but in general, the IFBB is content in letting things just ride, AS IS.

Point of information - the people at the top (who control the bodybuilding side, not the publishing side) are not interested in growth, because growth means less CONTROL for them. 

Don't ever underestimate the egos involved in controlling bodybuilding, bodybuilders, etc.
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« Reply #406 on: May 05, 2006, 08:41:52 AM »

I like the show, but it is being marketed to people already interested in the sport. If you want interest in the sport to grow, the trick is to get exposure in places without a pre-existing fanbase (advertising 101). If they secured a spot on broadcast radio, or were linked off of sites other than bodybuilding related portals then it would be different. (I know that is easier said than done, but it does not make it untrue).

I hear ads for Bodybuilding.com on ESPN radio all the time.  They're also a sponsor of the NCAA bowl game (MPC Computers) that's held in Boise, ID. 
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« Reply #407 on: May 05, 2006, 09:21:12 AM »

True the IFBB could not single me out and fine and suspend me in accordance to their rules.While others are breaking the rules and are have nothing done to them.They must punish all or no one.You can't just pick and choose

Tell that to Barry Bonds.
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« Reply #408 on: May 05, 2006, 09:23:17 AM »

Tell that to Barry Bonds.

  Great point, McGuire refused to answer any questions and has been let off the hook.
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« Reply #409 on: May 05, 2006, 09:24:55 AM »

Was it a dumb post or did you laugh at the lawyer part?  Smiley
excellent funny and truthful post
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« Reply #410 on: May 05, 2006, 09:33:09 AM »

despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post
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« Reply #411 on: May 05, 2006, 09:34:47 AM »

despite attempts by the moderators to protect bob (my post was deleted)
it is quite apparent that no one buys bob's
"i have a background in law, it is ok for the ifbb to selectively enforce its rules" post

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.
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« Reply #412 on: May 05, 2006, 09:35:55 AM »

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.

Bob is a form of law.
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« Reply #413 on: May 05, 2006, 09:37:01 AM »

Bob is a form of law.

   For Bob commanded it and so shall it be done! Angry
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« Reply #414 on: May 05, 2006, 09:37:58 AM »

  Bob does have a background in law. Just ask him.

while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info
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« Reply #415 on: May 05, 2006, 09:39:18 AM »

while i'm at it i should also ask him if he still has access to bb.com client info

 He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him.
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« Reply #416 on: May 05, 2006, 10:21:02 AM »

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Also, fewer shows would benefit things. We have what, 14 or 16 IFBB events this year? 

All parties would be better served with FOUR BIG EVENTS each year on par with the O/ASC, and put a wildcard qualifier the night before

I totally agree with this.  When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting.  You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year.  But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests?  It loses it's shock value.  Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night.  That was exciting.  But, what if 15 people did that each year?  We wouldn't even watch anymore.  The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia.  The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money.   
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« Reply #417 on: May 05, 2006, 10:23:14 AM »

I totally agree with this.  When you go to the Olympia and see Ronnie, Jay, Dexter, etc., it's exciting.  You look forward to the show months ahead of time, even if you go every year.  But, what happens when there's an oversaturation of contests?  It loses it's shock value.  Just like Mike Metzger's backflip jump over the fountains at Caesar's Palace last night.  That was exciting.  But, what if 15 people did that each year?  We wouldn't even watch anymore.  The IFBB should run it's own shows and have 3 big shows plus the Olympia.  The shows would be full of tier 1 bodybuilders, with an increase in fan enthusiasm, attendance, sponsorship, and prize money.   

 The first few times I read you post I saw Mike Mentzer instead of Mike Metzger and I was completely confused Undecided
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« Reply #418 on: May 05, 2006, 11:08:38 AM »


Using your analogy, as a bodybuilding fan (customer), I can go to Wal-Mart, Target, or whatever. That is the fans (customers) choice. No arguement there. They are not with Wal-Mart or Target. Now the employees have a different choice. They can either work full time at Wal-Mart or at Target, or any other store they want. But they can't do both. You only have 40-50 hours a week of work, logically. They need to choose. And I can guarantee you that if they work 40 hours at Wal-Mart, Target won't hire them.



When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor.

They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with.
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« Reply #419 on: May 05, 2006, 11:09:57 AM »

He could probably get it if he wanted, but it wouldn't be worth it to him and he might need several people to help him.

bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to.

your point?
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« Reply #420 on: May 05, 2006, 11:11:01 AM »

bob could probably rob a bank too, if he wanted to.

your point?

 He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.
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« Reply #421 on: May 05, 2006, 11:25:49 AM »

When you work for a retail company, you sign an agreement that you will be terminated from employment for working at a competitor.

They could care a less if you have 1 or 2 other different jobs....you just can't be working for someone they're in direct competition with.

When you work for a retail company, you also get paid.

Your analogy fails.
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« Reply #422 on: May 05, 2006, 11:40:43 AM »

He probably could get the records, but there is no reason to fear that he will.

of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't,
at least according to the owner of bb.com.
do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius?
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« Reply #423 on: May 05, 2006, 11:44:32 AM »


Therefore, the Wal-Mart/Target analogy is invalid.

shit, it took 5 pages of debate tor realize this?
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« Reply #424 on: May 05, 2006, 11:46:21 AM »

of course no one fears bob being able to access anyones info because he can't,
at least according to the owner of bb.com.
do you know something he (deluca) doesn't lucius?

 All you have to do to access records is know somebody. Even though students' college records are legally forbidden to be shown, if you knew a student working in records and registration, you could get access to the info. It's not like the information is locked in a vault Roll Eyes
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