How come they all look like they want to throw up after a training session with Milos?
::)It's Oscar!
It's bodybuilding not powerlifting!
yes but squatting with 1 plate per side? why dont you bring out the pink dumbbells while you're at it and shout "it's bodybuilding not powerlifting!!!"You know, a simple search of the GetBig archives will reveal many, many threads asking this very same question -- with plenty of explination from Milos.
typical sissy talk!
You know, a simple search of the GetBig archives will reveal many, many threads asking this very same question -- with plenty of explination from Milos.
Hope this helps.
You know, a simple search of the GetBig archives will reveal many, many threads asking this very same question -- with plenty of explination from Milos.
Hope this helps.
It's hard to convince someone who doesn't know any better!
They're sprinting a marathon. lol
I dunno man. Since apparently you know 100 bodybuilders personally, why don't you ask them?
how come 99 outta 100 bodybuilders NOT train the way milos trains if it's so great?
So whats your opinion? you're just a dummy doing what the coach says huh? how about having an opinion of your own?I think it works. I've tried heavy -- remember I trained for strongman for about 4 years. Went to WSM '98 in Morocco as a stand-in. So, I think I have a bit of experience training low-volume, heavy compound weight movements.
I bet you would pay me to have you use the pink dumbbells for the workout, and yes I'll make you throw up at the end of the set with that too
I dunno man. Since apparently you know 100 bodybuilders personally, why don't you ask them?
I think it works. I've tried heavy -- remember I trained for strongman for about 4 years. Went to WSM '98 in Morocco as a stand-in. So, I think I have a bit of experience training low-volume, heavy compound weight movements.
This is much, much better for size.
And last week when I did the pink dumbell workout for shoulders, I pushed it so far that my eyes teared up...that was a first for me. But imo, my shoulders are getting jakked.
and what is it YOU know? not much from what i can tell
how come 99 outta 100 bodybuilders NOT train the way milos trains if it's so great?
1. Hahaha..ok bluto.
2. Because they're on a gear and when on gear anything works!
When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.
For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.
Most bbers dont do this.... the very reason you should NEVER listen to the advice a bber gives in reguards to weight training.
When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.
For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.
Most bbers dont do this.... the very reason you should NEVER listen to the advice a bber gives in reguards to weight training.
and everyone who works with milos is natural?
Never said that!
but you are saying that any bodybuilder can pretty much do anything he wants and it wont matter, since theyre on drugs? whether they work out once a week, twice a day, lift hardly any weight, a lot of weight etc wont matter?You're right, I don't even really go to the gym. It's boring there and the music sucks.
hell, ronnie might as well do pink dumbbell curls for sets of 3 once every two weeks right?
because they're doing it wrong
monster waste of nutrition
If it's helping them gain more size and getting them in better shape and condition, they're not doing it "wrong" or engaging in a "waste of nutrition".
if there's tons of better methods then it's wrong.I always do it wrong tho. Didn't you know? Just look at all my failed businesses! I'm working on my next failed business as I type this.
and puking is a waste of nutrition.
if there's tons of better methods then it's wrong.
and puking is a waste of nutrition.
And who's to say that, for those particular bodybuilders, the methods they are currently aren't the best (or among the best).
How many guys bench lots of weight yet have lousy chests?
As one bodybuilding writer put it, "One type of training and one type of diet cannot and will not build a championship body".
There are times to lift heavy and there are times to lift lighter. Arnold himself has said much the same, specifically with arms. He wrote that he's seen bodybuilders do curls with 100-lb dumbbells; yet they are dumbfounded as to why their arms are still 18"; but they see Arnold using 60s, sporting his 21" guns.
As for the "puking", that's certainly not intentional. When reading about Milos and the guys he trains, the only I recall puking was Luke Wood (But, Wood had the flu for about a week or so).
in this thread this particular training is discussed.
as for puking, yet it seems intentional. maybe you need to watch some of the episodes from the fit show. training to you puke seems to be part of milos macho attitude when it comes to training.
the same attitude he displayed when asked on the radio what he thought about failure, where he said they always do it and you have to make up your mind if you want to train hard or some shit like that.
Puking has nothing to do with being macho. More often than not, it's simply a guy, getting dizzy or not getting enough rest between sets. I used to puke when I trained legs. Turns out, I kept holding my breath, while doing reps with heavy weight. So, I deliberately inhaled and exhaled, with a super-deep breath on the inhale and a big blowout on the exhale.
No more dizziness, no more puking!
Plus, it appears the bodybuilders are quite advanced. So, they have plenty of muscle, likely obtain from earlier years of more basic (and likely heavier) training.
In any event, it certainly isn't the first time, bodybuilders have switched to training, using lighter weights and more supersets and giant sets, after they've built their physique, to that point, with heavier weights for years prior.
look.Can I comment? I've been there when people have puked. Or do I have to watch the videos too before I comment?
watch the videos.
it's portrayed as being macho.
no point in discussing when you havent even watched the videos or know what im talking about.
Can I comment? I've been there when people have puked. Or do I have to watch the videos too before I comment?
personally i think its dumb...You're only a sheep if you don't verify something for youself. Just follow the crowd and/or loudest person in the room.
its a given if you do enough reps with any weight u will reach failure.... everybody is acting like milos has stumbled on to some new phenomenon..
if your gonna such light weight why even go to the gym.. yould do the same with... ur bodyweight....???
sometimes people as such sheep..
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yes but squatting with 1 plate per side? why dont you bring out the pink dumbbells while you're at it and shout "it's bodybuilding not powerlifting!!!"
typical sissy talk!
You're only a sheep if you don't verify something for youself. Just follow the crowd and/or loudest person in the room.
Since you haven't (and probably won't) try this method to verify it, you are therefore, a sheep.
How ironic.
I still want to know what is in this "Secret Shake" of Milos? I heard a lot of pros got sick from drinking the "Secret Shake" that Milos gives out. Is this the blame for the puking? Garraeth did you see any gains from this shake? Thanks
SGT. D
We all peed in a glass marked "This goes to Shawn Ray". ;D
I would think that it would be hard to put on a bunch of muscle whilest training in the manner of Milos, but it would be good for refining a lot of bulky mass. I personally would enjoy the training and that is what it is all about to me.
When you lift a submaximal load for many many reps you recruit the SLOW twitch fibers and thus result in Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy.... however when you use 90% or more of your percived 1rep MAX you RECRUIT the FAST TWITCH fibers which result in Sarcomere hypertrophy... most responsibly for muscle growth and myogenic tone.
For best results always cycle HEAVY loads in your training.
Sorry, you're wrong, your suggesting that by training that way that the muscle is recruting oxygen, that's not the case with almost any type of weight training!
You are somewhat right. Muscle fibers are recruited in order: from slow to fast. When you perform a lift the slow fibers come in to play first, always. When the load is too heavy for just the slow fibers to handle, the faster fibers come in to play. Yea but if you perform a 3 rep max you are going to recruit the TYPE IIB Fibers IMMEDIATELY
The difference between sarcoplasmic and sarcomere hypertrophy has nothing to do with the difference between slow and fast fibers. Wrong, Performing sets of 15 reps will target the SLOW TWITCH ( TYPE I) and also promote Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy, And at the other end of the spectrum performing sets of 3 reps will RECRUIT TYPE IIB FAST TWITCH fibers and also promote Myofrybl(sp?) HypertrophyWith sarcoplasmic hypertrophy the volume of the tissue that supplies energy to the fibers (all fibers) is increased. To put it simpler: your muscles hold more fluids. This kind of hypertrophy accurs from lighter weights, higher reps trainig.Thats what I just said
With sarcomere hypertrophy the volume of contractile machinery is increased: the volume of the actual muscle tissue increases.TRUE
The fast muscle fibers are much more susceptible to damage from weight training and that's why heavy weights, fewer reps is indeed the way to go for sarcomere hypertrophy.TRUE
Still the muscle fluids count for something like 20% of a muscles volume so you shouldn't discard sarcoplasmic hypertrophy neither.TRUE, Thats why I said to always cycle MAX or NEAR MAX loads into your training
Max Rep... will you provide an example of the actual shoulder workout... Specific exercises/movements, and loads perscribed ?
How come "manly-men" like you didn't show up at Milos's seminar and put yourselves on the line by actually going through the training session.no shit your dumb fuck.... go run a marathon and youll see its harder than it looks what were discussing here if its effective... dam your such a dumb fuck
I can promise you doing 6 -12 exercises in a row with no more than 5 to 10 seconds rest is a lot harder than it looks.
I still want to know what is in this "Secret Shake" of Milos? I heard a lot of pros got sick from drinking the "Secret Shake" that Milos gives out. Is this the blame for the puking? Garraeth did you see any gains from this shake? ThanksIt's here: www.koloseum.com
SGT. D
I still want to know what is in this "Secret Shake" of Milos? I heard a lot of pros got sick from drinking the "Secret Shake" that Milos gives out. Is this the blame for the puking? Garraeth did you see any gains from this shake? ThanksNo, it's not from the shake. Cuz the people I saw puking weren't drinking anything during their workout.
SGT. D
Max Rep... will you provide an example of the actual shoulder workout... Specific exercises/movements, and loads perscribed ?Here's a HUGE log of all that info: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.0
On the first exercise you train to max for approximately 10 reps
no shit your dumb fuck.... go run a marathon and youll see its harder than it looks what were discussing here if its effective... dam your such a dumb fuck
The logic must make sense.....eventually. Even in Milos's system there must be progression for gains to accumulate. That is probably true for all systems. The subject of load vs intensity seems to confuse people. I suppose some feel there must be a lower threshold below which no hypertrophy will occur. Milos might suggest that this threshold gets lowered when you do his training.
Larry Scott recommended quick training using partial reps and ascending and descending sets. Up and down the racks for biceps and deltoids. Many of us have tried that protocol with varying success. Few sustain that kind of training. Perhaps it isn't that easy to do it in busy gyms.
Should there be lactic acid pain when training to grow? Not necessarily but probably. The question is can you sustain growth with sub-maximal effort? It may be unlikely. Question to muscle? Why should it grow?
All hypertrophy training is an attempt to trigger growth. If you can do it in 1 set, as long as it is safe to do so, then why do more? That is what HIT asked. The trouble is there are no HIT champions. Not one. Therefore we can accept that some kind of volume training is required. Is it necessary to train quickly as Milos suggests? I don't think so. Will training quickly induce growth? There is no doubt about that. Will it sustain growth? That is unknown but Milos is confident it does.
I approach hypertrophy from the results point of view then try to reverse engineer training programs. I assume that rapid growth is accompanied by delayed onset muscle soreness. No soreness and there is no rapid or substantial growth. This is not accepted by the bodybuilding community and that doesn't surprise me because most have no idea what to do to keep growing. If they did they would already be huge without drugs.
Okay, this is the test of the DOMS theory. First you have to use whatever protocols you like to get your biceps really DOMS sore for several days. If you can achieve that state you should be 1/16 to 1/10th inch larger. Then you retrain your biceps before the soreness disappears. That means retraining every 3rd or 4th day. It may be possible to train more frequently but not beneficial or necessary. The trick is to do only what is sufficient at any time to generate maximum hypertrophy. Practically speaking, we are most pleased if we can measure our growth and it is positive after every workout.
If you get your biceps sore and they don't grow, and you have a positive nitrogen balance and are gaining weight then the DOMS theory is false.
How come "manly-men" like you didn't show up at Milos's seminar and put yourselves on the line by actually going through the training session.
I can promise you doing 6 -12 exercises in a row with no more than 5 to 10 seconds rest is a lot harder than it looks.
The logic must make sense.....eventually. Even in Milos's system there must be progression for gains to accumulate. That is probably true for all systems. The subject of load vs intensity seems to confuse people. I suppose some feel there must be a lower threshold below which no hypertrophy will occur. Milos might suggest that this threshold gets lowered when you do his training.
Larry Scott recommended quick training using partial reps and ascending and descending sets. Up and down the racks for biceps and deltoids. Many of us have tried that protocol with varying success. Few sustain that kind of training. Perhaps it isn't that easy to do it in busy gyms.
Should there be lactic acid pain when training to grow? Not necessarily but probably. The question is can you sustain growth with sub-maximal effort? It may be unlikely. Question to muscle? Why should it grow?
All hypertrophy training is an attempt to trigger growth. If you can do it in 1 set, as long as it is safe to do so, then why do more? That is what HIT asked. The trouble is there are no HIT champions. Not one. Therefore we can accept that some kind of volume training is required. Is it necessary to train quickly as Milos suggests? I don't think so. Will training quickly induce growth? There is no doubt about that. Will it sustain growth? That is unknown but Milos is confident it does.
I approach hypertrophy from the results point of view then try to reverse engineer training programs. I assume that rapid growth is accompanied by delayed onset muscle soreness. No soreness and there is no rapid or substantial growth. This is not accepted by the bodybuilding community and that doesn't surprise me because most have no idea what to do to keep growing. If they did they would already be huge without drugs.
Okay, this is the test of the DOMS theory. First you have to use whatever protocols you like to get your biceps really DOMS sore for several days. If you can achieve that state you should be 1/16 to 1/10th inch larger. Then you retrain your biceps before the soreness disappears. That means retraining every 3rd or 4th day. It may be possible to train more frequently but not beneficial or necessary. The trick is to do only what is sufficient at any time to generate maximum hypertrophy. Practically speaking, we are most pleased if we can measure our growth and it is positive after every workout.
If you get your biceps sore and they don't grow, and you have a positive nitrogen balance and are gaining weight then the DOMS theory is false.
::)
mustve missed that. havent seen anyone ever training to the their max in the first exercise? that would be for example some very heavy weight in squat or legpresses and all video footage is with 1 plate per side or something like that.
So the squat ALWAYS has to be the first exercise and not the fourth or fifth? You could never do extensions, lunges, hacks and then squats?
Hmmmm... I'll have to remember that.
If you’ve built quality muscle with conventional training and heavy weights why do you think that it is just going to wilt and dry up with a month or two of experimenting with something else?
Do you really think that muscle development is THAT volatile?
I’m not even arguing that one should completely switch over to Milo’s type of training (and by the way he did not originate the method, Steve Michalik has been training people like this for years. Arthur Jones, Gironda, Larry Scott and many others all had their own variations of this method).
stick to the subject.
BM... stick with your method. You seem to know it all.
allright ive took a quick look at the video again, hard to see what their first exercise is, but let's say the first set is the hardest and the rest is without rest then it wont come down to strength it will come down to endurance. the more endurance you got the better off you are. otherwise you will not be able to get very far, end up puking etc, not because your muscles say stop - but because your endurance say stop and your conditioning.
so let's say it's 1 set heavy and - 3-4 sets for endurance
why this would be better than 3 set heavy is beyond me.
looks like your cheating yourself off 2 heavy sets (or 4-5 or even 6 sets if you're into volume, like for example lee priest)
someone like ronnie wouldnt do ver well since he wont have the heart and conditioning for this type of training. on the other hand, those who who do would have a hard time training like ronnie because theyre not used to that kinda weight for several sets.
garreth hardcore training with no weights at all now thats hardcoreToday we did chest. It hurt so bad I felt like shooting myself in the head. omg
imagine working so slow that you dont need ANY WEIGHTS! thats brutal
My problem with milos style of training is the volume. You should do the least amount of volume possible to stimulate muscle so you can recover quicker and hit a muscle more frequently so you can get more growth phases. Milos style takes longer to recover from which means less growth phases.I do the Arnolds Encyclopedia Bodybuilding routine though it takes me 2/2 to3 hours to do 6 days a week 3 muscle groups a week it works well though compared to Milos routine i take 1to 2 minute rests per set.Some of what Croatch said is true you have the androgens in your body you grow like a weed if you stimulate the muscle groups in any manner.I use the dark side of the force sometimes and thats when im balls to the wall Heavy and change my routine to core lifts heavy with fewer reps and sets.
Look at the endrance strongmen have. Shouldn't just be statues.
Today we did chest. It hurt so bad I felt like shooting myself in the head. omg
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=138114.msg2217549#msg2217549
I cant even remember what we did -- it's all a blur...
did you do bench presses with the bar only? thats hardcore!
Bluto,
You can come to my gym ANYTIME and show us how hardcore you really are.
I can even invite Fitshow guys to tape our training session...
Any day next week good for you?
Bluto,
You can come to my gym ANYTIME and show us how hardcore you really are.
I can even invite Fitshow guys to tape our training session...
Any day next week good for you?
don't hold your breath
depends on how you define hardcore. your definition of hardcore seems to be little or no rest - and of course that is tough on the body. but so is running.
it's very easy to be outta breath but is being outta breath a good thing? that remains the question.
HARDCORE session with me doesn't interest you?Im calling your Bluff Milos just send me a return ticket from Down under and accommodation and i will be there. ;D
I will NOT charge you anything - if you can even manage to do what few of my female clients do...
You question my training principles and how hardcore or effective my workouts truly are...and I am offering you THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT.
Are you hardcore enough... or you are going to come up with every excuse in the book to avoid the challenge?
HARDCORE session with me doesn't interest you?
I will NOT charge you anything - if you can even manage to do what few of my female clients do...
You question my training principles and how hardcore or effective my workouts truly are...and I am offering you THE BEST WAY TO FIND OUT.
Are you hardcore enough... or you are going to come up with every excuse in the book to avoid the challenge?
I have adopted HIT training principle over 30years
But since I try Milos's HARDCORE Giant Set training ,It's real No-bullshit !!!
You try,then you know !
Hey guys ,try it in the gym . no more talk here !
Train HARD,or go home !
Yes,when you getting older you training smarter !
How about training smart? Now that's a concept!
Getting stronger=Getting bigger provided nutrition and rest are adequate, simple as that. You can dropset, super set, giant set, etc. all you want but if the weight doesn't increase or increases slowly gains are going to be little(slow weight increase) to none(no increase). This is common sense.haha, omg...ok, so that must mean that all pro bbers would murder all pro powerlifters and/or strongmen in strength contests since pro bbers muscles are like 3x as big.
I'm pretty sure they would get far better result if they starting training more like Ronnie!
Discuss
haha, omg...ok, so that must mean that all pro bbers would murder all pro powerlifters and/or strongmen in strength contests since pro bbers muscles are like 3x as big.
Common sense, eh? Some deep thinkers on this board, there are.
::)
Its not about the weight, tis about intensity.
really? ok
guy 1 - does 3 sets of squats with the bar only, no rest between sets
guy 2 - does 3 sets of squats with 4 plates per side 2 minutes rest between sets
you say guy 1 will have better development.
::)
guy 1 - does 3 sets of squats with the bar only, no rest between sets
guy 2 - does 3 sets of squats with 4 plates per side 2 minutes rest between sets
you say guy 1 will have better development.
::)
Guy 1 doing picture perfect slow squats, squeezing every muscle in his leghahahaha, yeah because we all know how slow and controlled guys like Ronnie, Branch and Jay squat. ::)
Guy 2 doing 3 inch squats for 3 reps
Yes guy 1 will have better leg development. You really needed to ask?
Guy 2 is actually training the muscles more intense, where as guy 1 is training the cardiovascular system more intense. So as long as he didn't confuse the difference in intensity, than he would be right.
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/martinezolympiapodcasta.jpg)What do you notice about all these "top guys" bench this. They have torn biceps, lats, legs that are bigger then the other, torn pecs, etc... Heavy weight has its place but once in a blue moon.
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_16.JPG)
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/images/maf/58/157.jpg)
(http://www.gabriellereillyweekly.com/gabrielle_reilly/fitness/fitness_health_diet_gabrielle_reilly/jay_cutler2.jpg)
(http://weightlifting.cowebz.com/bodybuilding.jpg)all the top guys train like milos they just keep it under wraps so they could sell there videos ::)[/size]
milos has multiple injuries over the yearsYes but i doubt from doing 35 pound shoulder presses etc.. If course you are going to get injured. The key to to avoid it. Those types of work outs are the most efficient. Notice how all Milo's guys are lean year round. Most, if not all are placing very high.
get a clue
Yes but i doubt from doing 35 pound shoulder presses etc.. If course you are going to get injured. The key to to avoid it. Those types of work outs are the most efficient. Notice how all Milo's guys are lean year round. Most, if not all are placing very high.
most efficient? says who? you might as well claim it's most efficient to go into the sauna and lift your nutsack up and down and do giant sets with your boyfriendpound of bricks or a pound of feathers? You choose. Both work. One is safer.
milos has multiple injuries over the yearsall from heay lifting too, what's your point?
get a clue
all from heay lifting too, what's your point?
how do you know?::) oh for christs sake
please list each and every injury and what he did when he got them
Hmm if your stupid azz has done real research, you'd know that Milos trains very heavy. Go watch him do legs at his gym. It's always a great idea to switch things up and go for very high volume and extreme failure sometimes. You should try it. It does work great. Milos trains guys like this sometimes becuz, truth is, way too many bodybuilders (advanced or rookies, including Bluto) can't leave their ego at the gym door. They go heavy all year round because they feel like a pussy lifting light weight. In the process, they cheat themselves of muscle growth.I hope this is directed at Bluto :)
(http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/images/2006/martinezolympiapodcasta.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/gymcentertr/galeri/ron1/coleman_16.JPG)
(http://www.muscleandfitness.com/images/maf/58/157.jpg)
(http://www.gabriellereillyweekly.com/gabrielle_reilly/fitness/fitness_health_diet_gabrielle_reilly/jay_cutler2.jpg)
(http://weightlifting.cowebz.com/bodybuilding.jpg)all the top guys train like milos they just keep it under wraps so they could sell there videos ::)[/size]
how do you know?
please list each and every injury and what he did when he got them
A single serious injury: quadriceps tear - doing Hack Squats with 900 lbs (10 plates on each side)...can a member join in, even if I'm not laughing at your methods :D
I am back doing 8 plates each side at this point...but I can get away with one 25 pound plate on each side and make Hacks almost impossible to finish...
Again, any takers to come to my gym for GIANT SETS WORKOUT?
I am all for it - Lets have 10 of you guys who are now laughing at my methods...
I will gladly take you through my workout for free.
Again, any takers to come to my gym for GIANT SETS WORKOUT?
I am all for it - Lets have 10 of you guys who are now laughing at my methods...
I will gladly take you through my workout for free.
(http://www.elitefitness.com/images/specials/milos/milos-sacrev-bodybuilder.jpg)
dont get me wrong milos does looks great but his "technique " and his results dont compare to the guys above who train with with heavier weights and greater volume
(http://www.elitefitness.com/images/specials/milos/milos-sacrev-bodybuilder.jpg)
dont get me wrong milos does looks great but his "technique " and his results dont compare to the guys above who train with with heavier weights and greater volume
At 300.00 per hour????.
.maybe you need reading glasses coach, it says free in the bottom line ::)
maybe you need reading glasses coach, it says free in the bottom line ::)
maybe you need reading glasses coach, it says free in the bottom line ::)
I had 4 hours free seminar for getbig fans organized back in May...and I will continue organizing the same FOR FREE - just to all of you "oh so grateful bodybuilding fans"...I was there :-*
Ah, I missed that part!so are you going to sign up for a giant set leg workout? let me know when, I want to watch ;D
so are you going to sign up for a giant set leg workout? let me know when, I want to watch ;D
Today Troy Alves did that with Hide, Garraeth, me and Franco (Troy's training partner)...:D I've seen that photo on your site
Ask them (Troy and Franco) how they feel?
BTW - they did Giant sets CHEST on Friday...and Giant sets HAMSTRINGS + CALVES on Saturday...
Brutal pink dumbbells all the way...but wait until you see photo of Troy tomorrow morning (it is in the gym right now...so I'll just continue posting photos of - /can you believe it?/ - ME! ;D
Today Troy Alves did that with Hide, Garraeth, me and Franco (Troy's training partner)...
Ask them (Troy and Franco) how they feel?
BTW - they did Giant sets CHEST on Friday...and Giant sets HAMSTRINGS + CALVES on Saturday...
Brutal pink dumbbells all the way...but wait until you see photo of Troy tomorrow morning (it is in the gym right now...so I'll just continue posting photos of - /can you believe it?/ - ME! ;D
so are you going to sign up for a giant set leg workout? let me know when, I want to watch ;D
Last month in Malta (family vacation) after ONLY training in month of June...
Decent physique but what is wrong with your arm? Maybe it is the picture but did you have a bicep injury?
Thank you very much. It is great to have decent physique...
Now, what is wrong with my arms?
I was on vacation - and left a good pair at home in California...(my "brutal 17 inch pythons" perfectly fit my obliques... ;D)
Do you train your obliques specifically?
But off course "Basty" - just like you showed me the other day...
Your version of "side crunches" was confusing at first...but I did get a "hold of it" in the second set...
You'll be proud of me when you see me again. ;)
Maybe you're taking too much drugs that they grew too much?
Maybe? ;)
Yet, my waist is somehow THE SMALLEST -EVER...(Under 30 inches)!
Remember 1997?
Here, my waist was about 32 inches...What happened?
Would you be able to tell me?
I thought your side crunches would work...
Maybe you're taking too much drugs that they grew too much?
A single serious injury: quadriceps tear - doing Hack Squats with 900 lbs (10 plates on each side)...
I am back doing 8 plates each side at this point...but I can get away with one 25 pound plate on each side and make Hacks almost impossible to finish...
Again, any takers to come to my gym for GIANT SETS WORKOUT?
I am all for it - Lets have 10 of you guys who are now laughing at my methods...
I will gladly take you through my workout for free.
ive watched the 17+ pages or so long thread from garreths workout at milos gym and of a hundred pictures posted maybe 1-2 has heavy weights. the rest is barbell only or one plate a side etc.
the lack of rest between sets and the numerous exercises makes people eventually get tired - but is it optimal for hypertrophy?
i can get tired squatting up and down at the toilet with no rest but i have no reason to believe that would build more mass to my legs than any other training program. in fact, im pretty convinced it wouldnt.
you keep asking silly questions because clearly you don't have much experience in bodybuilding. don't question someone's method when their physique is leaps and bounds better than yours. you are debating with someone known among the professional world of bodybuilding as "the mind". dude, ur stupid.
Pretty much. Bluto's just trolling now...typical for him.
you keep asking silly questions because clearly you don't have much experience in bodybuilding. don't question someone's method when their physique is leaps and bounds better than yours. you are debating with someone known among the professional world of bodybuilding as "the mind". dude, ur stupid.
Pretty much. Bluto's just trolling now...typical for him.
You're a troll and you know it. Everyone on the board knows it. Duh.
I'm trying to discuss training methods.
With you it's pointless since you know nothing and are unable to think for yourself - you just seek up a guru and do what he tell you. That along with steroid and synthol abuse shows us what a tool you are.
Milos seems to be unable, or unwilling, to go into details rather he plays it safe and says "come to my gym and train!" like that would prove anything. Stupid reasoning.
Why don't you go and post another 500 pictures of you using 1 plate per side regardless of exercise? (and let's not forget walking lunges with NO weight!)
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You're a troll
Looking incredible Luke.
so what made you injure yourself at 10 plates? wouldnt your legs be weaker this time around and because of that there's a risk of injury at 8 plates?
if you can get away with one plate why would you do 8 plates per side?
and having people do your workout would prove what? that people eventually get tired? i can have you and 10 guys getting tired at my gym in prague and i wont charge you either!
would that make you believe that my methods are the best because i would make you outta breath?
this isnt an intelligent reasoning.
ive watched the 17+ pages or so long thread from garreths workout at milos gym and of a hundred pictures posted maybe 1-2 has heavy weights. the rest is barbell only or one plate a side etc.
the lack of rest between sets and the numerous exercises makes people eventually get tired - but is it optimal for hypertrophy?
i can get tired squatting up and down at the toilet with no rest but i have no reason to believe that would build more mass to my legs than any other training program. in fact, im pretty convinced it wouldnt.
EVERY EXERCISE IS DONE TO FAILURE OR ALMOST FAILURE...regardless of the weight used...
"EGO TRAINERS" (obviously YOU) focus on amount of weight rather than WHAT IS BEING DONE...
I can make ANY WEIGHT be impossible to handle IF I just change some training variables...
I tried your style per say in my last leg workout and I have to say I am hooked. My legs felt far more worked then when I trained heavier. I am just sick of loading up lots of plates and putting that stress on my body, I find it far more exhausting and less joint stress to train using light weight and giant sets. I admit though I have not been able to bring my self to train that way for any other body parts though.
Low weight, high reps work wonders for legs.. Not so much the upperbody.
Well, for those of you who actually believe IN GOOD...I explained my TRAINING THEORY and NUTRITION PROTOCOLS....on my "Secrets of the pros" DVD...
Did you consider maybe that we did barbell squats, leg press, leg extensions...3 more exercises, than hack squat with 8 plates and sissy squats BEFORE?
And I am talking NO REST BETWEEN EXERCISES (or to be exact 5 to 10 seconds in between).
2) "and having people do your workout would prove what? that people eventually get tired?"
People doing my workout TO GET IN THE BEST SHAPE OF THEIR LIVES - not to get tired Bozo.
And if you live in Prague (one of my favorite cities in the whole world) - I will come to your gym next time I organize appearance there and show you what INTENSITY IS ALL ABOUT...Start training...to be ready for me...
I will offer you two solutions:
I can do all the exercises with triple amount of weight you will be doing or I can do three times the reps (if you do 10 in each set...I will do 30)...
And WHY would I be able to claim that I can beat you so badly - as I don't even know you?
Well, I can't tell you that yet...as you don't deserve the answer.
However, you can ask some other guys who trained with me...like maybe Troy Alves who in pat 3 days trained 3 times with me and Hide...
I tried your style per say in my last leg workout and I have to say I am hooked. My legs felt far more worked then when I trained heavier. I am just sick of loading up lots of plates and putting that stress on my body, I find it far more exhausting and less joint stress to train using light weight and giant sets. I admit though I have not been able to bring my self to train that way for any other body parts though.
You turned Gustavo Badell from a third Tier Pro to a World class bodybuilder and from being from downunder i hope Luke all the best with your training methods but im a bit suspect about your protien shakes.I will pay for Blutos Flight and Accomodatian if he can hang with you Milos.
You turned Gustavo Badell from a third Tier Pro to a World class bodybuilder and from being from downunder i hope Luke all the best with your training methods but im a bit suspect about your protien shakes.I will pay for Blutos Flight and Accomodatian if he can hang with you Milos.lol...now that's something I'd like to see...I'm PMing Milos right now w/ the link to this thread.
so basically whether milos training method is superior or not, comes down to whether i can hang with him or not?Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.
thank you doctor, you're a genius!
I have no interest in who can keep up with whom during workouts. However, Milos agrees that information should be shared. Now, he posted that his version of what the pros take re drugs is a lot less than what gh15 claimed. My point is any drugs should be unnecessary for hypertrophy. What I would like to know here is if the giant set protocol works on natural bodybuilders? I have my doubts. Using drugs contaminates training theories. Milos also said that the body often doesn't produce optimal amounts of hormones needed for growth. Surely that is not a justification to supplement those hormones?you should just quit.
While I am all for rapid growth I do not endorse taking additional hormones. If hormone supplementation is part of optimal hypertrophy, according to Milos, then I won't debate hypertrophy training with him.
Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.Pull it off...send him his plane ticket.
Pull it off...send him his plane ticket.he'll never do it. he's all mouth
I'll post 1000+ pictures of Bluto trying to keep up w/ Hide, Milos, Rick and me. It'll be a hoot!
Bluto sounds like he is in great shape. Why all the hate ???
Your a loud mouth bigot and if you can hang with Milos i will retract my statement.When comes to this matter you do not have to be a genius.
I have no interest in who can keep up with whom during workouts. However, Milos agrees that information should be shared. Now, he posted that his version of what the pros take re drugs is a lot less than what gh15 claimed. My point is any drugs should be unnecessary for hypertrophy. What I would like to know here is if the giant set protocol works on natural bodybuilders? I have my doubts. Using drugs contaminates training theories. Milos also said that the body often doesn't produce optimal amounts of hormones needed for growth. Surely that is not a justification to supplement those hormones?
While I am all for rapid growth I do not endorse taking additional hormones. If hormone supplementation is part of optimal hypertrophy, according to Milos, then I won't debate hypertrophy training with him.
I bet you anything Bluto has chicken legs LOL..... Just reading the guy's posts you kinda get an idea of how his physique looks. Sadly some people just don't know how to shut up and learn from people more advanced than they are.
Pull it off...send him his plane ticket.
I'll post 1000+ pictures of Bluto trying to keep up w/ Hide, Milos, Rick and me. It'll be a hoot!
I trained with the Mentzers and now I've trained with Milos (if only 1 workout) and there are few, if any commonalities in thier routines. Milos is high volume-high intensity and Mikes was low-volume high intensity.
Learning HIT directly from training with Mike and ray was WAY more valuable than reading about in a magazine or a book. For everyone that opportunity is gone since Mike and Ray are gone.
You now have an opportunity to learn directly from Milos a completely different concept. He’s offering it openly and I’ve heard every excuse in the book… well I’d have to fly, well I don’t think it will work, well my shoes are to tight, well the sun is in my eyes… jeez I could get drunk on all the whining.
Get on a plane and fly out and train with the man, go home and use his methods for two months. If it doesn’t work for you… so what? You gave it a shot and you can go back to your old training methods. If it does work, you save yourself years of frustration.
5 excuses in 5 posts from Bluto...poor porky kid would burn in the Southern California sun :'(Answer me this though, 'garraeth', do you really think this kind of traing works for natruals? How many natruals train this way with Milos? If so what were the results?
Answer me this though, 'garraeth', do you really think this kind of traing works for natruals? How many natruals train this way with Milos? If so what were the results?It worked for me.
Since the weight being used isn't the same for everyone, but individual, it all comes down to cardio - not strength. That means any sprinter, marathon runner etc won't have a problem keeping up - and beating you.
Their cardio is superior.
Luke what else did Milos show you in his office besides his massive legs? Did you get a chance to try some of Milos shake? I heard it's really popular. Good stuff
SGT. D
Not real bright are you?? Aside from being wrong about "it all comes down to cardio"........you can't compare a sprinter to a marathon runner. After you learn energy systems 101, then maybe you can come back speak with a little intelligence.
How much procent is it better than cell tech?
im not comparing them, im saying theyre generally have good condition.
are you saying it doesnt matter how good your cardio is for this type of training? even milos admit it is.
so what exactly is it that i say that you disagree with? let me hear it!
No, that's not what I'm saying, but you seem to be talking along the lines that you have to have the conditioning of a sprinter or marathon runner to do this program. Remember, he's going giant sets (there really not giant sets, it's circuit training) with the SAME bodypart not the entire body.
I run my clients and athletes throught power circuits ALL THE TIME especially in season athletes, the difference is I run my circuits with the entire body. When I get back, I'll give an example.
29382%!
it worked for you? what you accomplished so far besides losing weight?You're nosy.
have you got stronger in the big 3 lifts? if so how much stronger in what time period?
are your arms bigger, or cant you tell because you used synthol?
are you even a natural or "clean" at the moment?
You're nosy.
thats allright i dont really care but if you claim it worked wonders you should go into detail about itWhy?
Why?
to check if your bullshiting or notHuh?
from what i understand you mainly talk about losing weight
so if thats the main thing that happend to you then you could've just hit the stairclimber and it would result the same
can someone tell me how performing a marathon workout with ridiculously light weights is supposed to be anabolic?It's hardcore when you do it wearing leg warmers and tights.
This Milos workout sounds like a glorified cardio session.
Bluto i could not hang with Milos either now natural or chemically enhanced 3 or so years ago i like my methodical training,Arnolds Encylopedia of Bodybuilding is my Bible training 6 days a week, with nice long rest periods in between sets.Heres the sergio routine notice the use of heavier weights!
Every one has there style, im sure if i did more cardio took no rest between sets and pratically burned myself out i could hang with some of Milos natural students but not the Man himself.
Milos style remindes me of what Sergio Oliva went through with Arthur Jones i am suprised nobody has brought this up.Sergio looked the best he ever did in the 72 MrO with some white guy beating him ive forgot his name.
It's hardcore when you do it wearing leg warmers and tights.
So whats your opinion? you're just a dummy doing what the coach says huh? how about having an opinion of your own?u obviously never came close to feeling what a workout of that intensity feels like.
I bet you would pay me to have you use the pink dumbbells for the workout, and yes I'll make you throw up at the end of the set with that too
u obviously never came close to feeling what a workout of that intensity feels like.
im not so much into the feeling, im more into resultsthey are directly proportional...the better u "feel" the better results :)
they are directly proportional...the better u "feel" the better results :)
How much procent is it better than cell tech?
I am combining them with the SIX STAR products and i love the combo!!!!How much do you think you will weigh next year in contest shape.
Milos training somehow reminds me of Steve Michalik's I&I.
im not so much into the feeling, im more into resultsprove it and post a pic of your fabulous results ::)
prove it and post a pic of your fabulous results ::)
I'm pretty sure they would get far better result if they starting training more like Ronnie!
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