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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Alex23 on January 06, 2008, 04:46:51 PM
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I wanna congratulate a guy who's been to hell and back, a true patriot who has put his life on the line for us.
Nothing short of a hero.
In case you guys wondered why I never post any upperbody stuff in my log, or read the pic thread, this is a picture of my arm after getting pimpslapped by an Al-Quaeda IED (roadside bomb). The IED its self was 2 107mm rockets which, IIRC, was about 22lbs of high explosive. It worked me pretty good. I was an inpatient in the hospital at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, DC for 3 months, and was a patient there for 18 months. I am currently retired from the US Army at the ripe old age of 27. Im sure I left something out, and if youve ot questions...just ask!
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193676.0;attach=225218;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193676.0;attach=225217;image)
Jason
However can't believe how disrespectful some supposedly "getbig legend" can get around here... :-\
"Yankee doodle dickweed went to town
Apple pie and Chevrolet shot him down
A patriotic, fatheaded, sucker, freak
Is proud to serve the country that served him weak"
Discuss >:(
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Thanks for your service, Jason Pegg. Without you, we wouldn't have the quality of life that we enjoy.
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Jason is a hell of a man no doubt about it, takes tremendous fortitude to make it through something like that.
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Oh man that second photo is some FUCKED UP SHIT. jesus christ dude, got any photos of what your arm looks like now all stitched up???
And way to go on serving your country, its fuckin great of you, theres too many god damn hippies around. I think there should be mandatory military service here in north America, like in israel. But yknow, minus the jew factor.
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RON YOU HAVE WARNED MANY HERE FOR MAKING RACIST JOKES AGAINST "THOSE" YET YOU ACCEPT BLUTO TO TALK SH1T AGAINST A FELLOW AMERICAN?
RON: ARE YOU WITH AMERICA OR NOT? PICK YOUR SIDE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW US WHO YOU REALLY ARE.
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Thank you Jason Pegg, your a true hero to our country. If your ever in Southern California, drinks on me.
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RON YOU HAVE WARNED MANY HERE FOR MAKING RACIST JOKES AGAINST "THOSE" YET YOU ACCEPT BLUTO TO TALK SH1T AGAINST A FELLOW AMERICAN?
RON: ARE YOU WITH AMERICA OR NOT? PICK YOUR SIDE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW US WHO YOU REALLY ARE.
benz, are you saying that making comments about a true soldier fighting against terrorism deserves timeout? >:(
"Yankee doodle dickweed went to town
Apple pie and Chevrolet shot him down
A patriotic, fatheaded, sucker, freak
Is proud to serve the country that served him weak"
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That comment by Bluto may be the worst Ive ever read on this site, fucker needs to just die after saying that.If I was the sites owner Id just delete his account on the spot.
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I wanna congratulate a guy who's been to hell and back, a true patriot who has put his life on the line for us.
Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
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That comment by Bluto may be the worst Ive ever read on this site, fucker needs to just die after saying that.If I was the sites owner Id just delete his account on the spot.
i agree, I'M THE LAST GUY to ever call for someone to be banned but that shit that bluto said is ban worthy.
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That comment by Bluto may be the worst Ive ever read on this site, fucker needs to just die after saying that.If I was the sites owner Id just delete his account on the spot.
We need to talk to Ron... shitface deserves timeout.
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benz, are you saying that making comments about a true soldier fighting against terrorism deserves timeout? >:(
bluto is verified scum
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Jason, sorry for your pain.
I wont retort if you hurl slurs at me. You have earned that right.
However, do not think for a second thar you fought for the greater good. You fought for cheaper gas prices, which I thank you for..
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
Move to fucking Iran. We'll have enough money for a 1 way ticket inside of 5 min here for you.
Guys like J make it so you have the Freedom to shoot your mouth off like this.
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RON YOU HAVE WARNED MANY HERE FOR MAKING RACIST JOKES AGAINST "THOSE" YET YOU ACCEPT BLUTO TO TALK SH1T AGAINST A FELLOW AMERICAN?
RON: ARE YOU WITH AMERICA OR NOT? PICK YOUR SIDE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW US WHO YOU REALLY ARE.
VERY true. The jokes stop here!
Bluto I liked some of your stuff before but you should be banned for life after saying something like that.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
That is harsh.
But atleast he may have canned savages in rags with an m16. Don't tell me that they deserved to even sniff air.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
They would like you over in Iran! WHy dont you just leave the country? Seriously?
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Jason, sorry for your pain.
I wont retort if you hurl slurs at me. You have earned that right.
However, do not think for a second thar you fought for the greater good. You fought for cheaper gas prices, which I thank you for..
LOL! Absolutely true.
War IS terror. And a war which resulted in the deaths of (very conservatively) 76,000 innocent people IS TERRORISM. The problem is, people believe the official story. If I went out to kill thousands of innocent people and got a major injury, would you call me a hero? Would you call me a hero if I believed in my heart that I was fighting a good cause?
It doesn't matter what the soldiers BELIEVE, it's what can be proven to be true, and they are no better than baby killers when you look at the actual FACTS. How ridiculous to justify their immoral actions by saying they believe in their hearts that what they are doing is right. No doubt many tyrants felt the same way. Some say they don't support the war, but they support the troops. Well the troops support the war, so it logically follows that to support the troops means to support the war.
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They would like you over in Iran! WHy dont you just leave the country? Seriously?
he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
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That comment by Bluto may be the worst Ive ever read on this site, fucker needs to just die after saying that.If I was the sites owner Id just delete his account on the spot.
Whatabout it? That's some good lyrics there from the band Pro-Pain.
Don't kill the messenger.
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Bluto, you sack guzzling terriorist. Definetly a member of Al-queera
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
Are you saying that there's a time and a place to make comments like these and that "MattC" is being disrespectful for attention seeking purposes? >:(
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Whatabout it? That's some good lyrics there from the band Pro-Pain.
Don't kill the messenger.
if you like it so much then post it in another fuccking thread instead of one saluting a man who gave two inches of his arm to an explosive.
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Are you saying that there's a time and a place to make comments like these and that "MattC" is being disrespectful for attention seeking purposes? >:(
absolutely, yes.
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
Not that I believe the official 911 story, but let's pretend Muslim terrorists did attack the WTC and lose their lives in the process. Are they heroes? No doubt they had been told that what they were doing was for the greater good. No doubt in their heart of hearts they felt they were doing something right. They lost their lives standing up for a cause which they believed was true and genuine. One which they sincerely thought would make the world a better place. Does that make them heroes? Or is it better to look beyond that and look at the facts, which would say they were cold blooded killers?
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Damn...thanks for your service Jason and Ron ban Bluto.
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VERY true. The jokes stop here!
Bluto I liked some of your stuff before but you should be banned for life after saying something like that.
Banned for life? Sounds more like something the Iraqies would say.
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Not that I believe the official 911 story, but let's pretend Muslim terrorists did attack the WTC and lose their lives in the process. Are they heroes? No doubt they had been told that what they were doing was for the greater good. No doubt in their heart of hearts they felt they were doing something right. They lost their lives standing up for a cause which they believed was true and genuine. One which they sincerely thought would make the world a better place. Does that make them heroes? Or is it better to look beyond that and look at the facts, which would say they were cold blooded killers?
i dont do pretend, do you?
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People shouldn't be banned for opinions.
What happened to free speech? Bluto's a moron for talking shit, but he shouldn't be banned.
Funny to me how you guys can speak of this nation and good old western values; but ignore free speech, which is one of the pillars that makes the west what it is.
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Not that I believe the official 911 story, but let's pretend Muslim terrorists did attack the WTC and lose their lives in the process. Are they heroes? No doubt they had been told that what they were doing was for the greater good. No doubt in their heart of hearts they felt they were doing something right. They lost their lives standing up for a cause which they believed was true and genuine. One which they sincerely thought would make the world a better place. Does that make them heroes? Or is it better to look beyond that and look at the facts, which would say they were cold blooded killers?
Theres a time and a place Matt, and this isnt it.
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Thank you for serving our country.
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People shouldn't be banned for opinions.
What happened to free speech? Bluto's a moron for talking shit, but he shouldn't be banned.
Funny to me how you guys can speak of this nation and good old western values; but ignore free speech, which is one of the pillars that makes the west what it is.
Theres a time and a place, and this isnt it.
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However, do not think for a second thar you fought for the greater good. You fought for cheaper gas prices, which I thank you for..
Actually it's a little more than that. He did fight to maintain our way of life and standard of living in the long term. I don't think anyone has a clue what happens if the supply of oil gets interrupted, even a little, even briefly. I do, and it ain't pretty. Your safe little middle-class lifestyle can collapse into something resembling Bosnia inside of a week or two... it doesn't take much.
The world is past peak oil, and China is growing more and more thirsty for a larger portion of what's left. Until we can transition to other energy sources, we must ensure our supply keeps flowing uninterrupted. Was Iraq about WMD or "freedom"? Of course not... that's the cover story for the great unwashed. But make no mistake about it, it IS all about maintaining our way of life. So how 'bout saying "thank you" to Jason, or shutting the fucck up?
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nothing should be done to him just know he's scum
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Actually it's a little more than that. He did fight to maintain our way of life and standard of living in the long term. I don't think anyone has a clue what happens if the supply of oil gets interrupted, even as little, even briefly. I do, and it ain't pretty. Your safe little middle-class lifestyle can collapse into something resembling Bosnia inside of a week or two... it doesn't take much.
The world is past peak oil, and China is growing more and more thirsty for a larger portion of what's left. Until we can transition to other energy sources, we must ensure our supply keeps flowing uninterrupted. Was Iraq about WMD or "freedom"? Of course not... that's the cover story for the great unwashed. But make no mistake about it, it IS all about maintaining our way of life. So how 'bout saying "thank you" to Jason, or shutting the fucck up?
Maintaining your way of life and standard of living in the long term is what isn't pretty.
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Can't you just appreciate the sacrifice the guy did and keep your rambling for another day? I don't think anybody cares what your views are on this thread...
I was supporting him, dumbass. ::)
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Theres a time and a place, and this isnt it.
Just place his ass in timeout then, but not a ban.
I'm sure he'd die not being able to post 500 times a day.
Actually it's a little more than that. He did fight to maintain our way of life and standard of living in the long term. I don't think anyone has a clue what happens if the supply of oil gets interrupted, even as little, even briefly. I do, and it ain't pretty. Your safe little middle-class lifestyle can collapse into something resembling Bosnia inside of a week or two... it doesn't take much.
Which is why I showed my gratitude. I'm not Milton Friedman, but I have a decent understanding of economics and oil is a huge part of it.
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People shouldn't be banned for opinions.
What happened to free speech? Bluto's a moron for talking shit, but he shouldn't be banned.
Funny to me how you guys can speak of this nation and good old western values; but ignore free speech, which is one of the pillars that makes the west what it is.
I see your point but as Alex said there are certain times for it. If Chick can ban us for bashing Cutler's wife then why can't Bluto be banned for this?
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I see your point but as Alex said there are certain times for it. If Chick can ban us for bashing Cutler's wife then why can't Bluto be banned for this?
Banned for what? You got Adolf Hitler in your avatar, you any idea who's running this place?
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I'm Jewish myself and yes so is Ron. But there's been plenty of talk about him being Jewish and he doesn't seem to care because he knows how this board is. And it's not like I'm being hateful about it.
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Just place his ass in timeout then, but not a ban.
I'm sure he'd die not being able to post 500 times a day.
That's what will prolly happen.. maybe it's a good way for him to get to the bottom of this:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193633.0
How pathetic is it for someone to worry about the "list" of people in timeout... ::)
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Banned for what? You got Adolf Hitler in your avatar, you any idea who's running this place?
Time for you to sleep in the bed you made kid. You want to be the big bad attention whore and fag up every thread you post in, yet you don't want to reap the consequences. Look at you flailing around again. All this because you're a skinny/fat, insecure 19 year old.
Team Matt C has been renamed to Team Terrorism!
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I'm Jewish myself and yes so is Ron. But there's been plenty of talk about him being Jewish and he doesn't seem to care because he knows how this board is. And it's not like I'm being hateful about it.
It's actually a pretty funny avatar.. The one how met Ron know he has a good sense of humor ;D
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I'm Jewish myself and yes so is Ron. But there's been plenty of talk about him being Jewish and he doesn't seem to care because he knows how this board is. And it's not like I'm being hateful about it.
So what is it you reckon I should be banned for? The lyrical part of the song that says "PROUD TO SERVE THE COUNTRY THAT HAD SERVED HIM WEAK" ?
I think that's pretty spot on.
And that was recorded back in '92.
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It's actually a pretty funny avatar.. The one how met Ron know he has a good sense of humor ;D
I'm cool with it. I'm no fan of censorship and banning people. You on the other hand... well let's just say that you fit in more in Iran than the US.
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So what is it you reckon I should be banned for?
How 'bout being a complete douchebag... is that good enough?
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That's what will prolly happen.. maybe it's a good way for him to get to the bottom of this:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=193633.0
How pathetic is it for someone to worry about the "list" of people in timeout... ::)
How about reducing his post count? Maybe to like 1.. haha
I'm sure that'd give him a heart attack. I mean its his crowning achievement. ;D
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let's all pm ron asking to Ban Bluto.
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How 'bout being a complete douchebag... is that good enough?
Nah. That's not good enough. That would make this place pretty empty.
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How about reducing his post count? Maybe to like 1.. haha
I'm sure that'd give him a heart attack. I mean its his crowning achievement. ;D
I doubt that would have much of an affect on me, I've already passed all milestones.
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So what is it you reckon I should be banned for? The lyrical part of the song that says "PROUD TO SERVE THE COUNTRY THAT HAD SERVED HIM WEAK" ?
I think that's pretty spot on.
And that was recorded back in '92.
So if your arm was blown in half we should make fun of you?
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Nah. That's not good enough. That would make this place pretty empty.
what time is it in the czec republic now at 8 42 eastern
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I doubt that would have much of an affect on me, I've already passed all milestones.
I would hardly consider calling it a "milestone".
But you seem hell bent on claiming it as some sort of crown; which btw no one even respects. ::)
Bluto is Canadian.
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
i've been against this war from the get go, and vehemently so, but dammit if you don't show respect for a man who will put himself through that in order to protect the country he lives in then you're beyond help.
i feel bad for men like him whose devotion and loyalty to their country has been exploited by political shitbags who sit around moving toy tanks around on a map and looking at poll numbers while men like jason get their limbs blown off or worse.
seeing things like that makes me angrier than anything. >:(
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So if your arm was blown in half we should make fun of you?
I haven't made fun of him.
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i've been against this war from the get go, and vehemently so, but dammit if you don't show respect for a man who will put himself through that in order to protect the country he lives in then you're beyond help.
i feel bad for men like him whose devotion and loyalty to their country has been exploited by political shitbags who sit around moving toy tanks around on a map and looking at pull numbers while men like jason get their limbs blown off or worse.
seeing things like that makes me angrier than anything. >:(
totally agreed.
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what time is it in the czec republic now at 8 42 eastern
Roughly 4 or 5 am. Bluto's "Czech Republic" schtick was demolished long ago. His posting times fit North America perfectly.
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what time is it in the czec republic now at 8 42 eastern
It's 2:45
Thanks for asking.
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Roughly 4 or 5 am. Bluto's "Czech Republic" schtick was demolished long ago. His posting times fit North America perfectly.
2:48 in prague currently. not impossible if you're a night owl (i've posted as late as 4:30am fairly recently), but any later and we're delving into "total BS" territory.
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Roughly 4 or 5 am. Bluto's "Czech Republic" schtick was demolished long ago. His posting times fit North America perfectly.
Canada...
Bluto's mutton chops are gayer than George Michael.
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Canada...
Bluto's mutton chops are gayer than George Michael.
Guys you need to make up your mind... why can't I be some place more exciting? I've always wanted to be in Japan. >:(
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i've been against this war from the get go, and vehemently so, but dammit if you don't show respect for a man who will put himself through that in order to protect the country he lives in then you're beyond help.
Why should I support someone who is doing something immoral? Just because those immoral actions are under the guise of something good doesn't make it justified.
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Epic backpeddling Bluto you doushbag with sh*t running down your leg as you sit in your 500lb moms basement as you contemplate actually having to get a life in the real world when you get kicked off. Guess we all better tune in to catch a preditor this season as I am sure Bluto will go back to his old tricks. What's it like to look in the mirror every morning and know that you are a complete c*nt.
ha ewww
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2:48 in prague currently. not impossible if you're a night owl (i've posted as late as 4:30am fairly recently), but any later and we're delving into "total BS" territory.
Yeah, not impossible. But holding a job as an adult and staying on til 4 or 5 am CET every weekday kind of skews that belief. Us college kids are afforded the luxury of posting until all hours of the night. :D
It just ruins his little "I'm Czech" gimmick.
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"No more money for bombs
When the poor people hungry on the street
No more sending young men to fight
As they die for false glory and false pride (do or die)"
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Actually, Bluto's stats fit better with a European poster than a North American poster, especially west coast North America.
His shitty attitude is more like a European's as well.
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"No more money for bombs
When the poor people hungry on the street
No more sending young men to fight
As they die for false glory and false pride (do or die)"
Pathetic back pedaling.
Damage done.
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Instead of banning the douche, Ron should just tell us which fags are running the account and their ip's and let the Getbiggers have their fun.
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Instead of banning the douche, Ron should just tell us which fags are running the account and their ip's and let the Getbiggers have their fun.
Sounds fair to me ;D
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Instead of banning the douche, Ron should just tell us which fags are running the account and their ip's and let the Getbiggers have their fun.
This would be the best option for getbig.
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how can a dude that looks like olive oil be called bluto lol
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
Matt, I understand the point you are trying to make here. I really do. And I agree for the most part. But this is more about showing our Getbig comrade a bit of encouragement rather than using the stage to pontificate political. Jason: get better pal and keep lifting. :)
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I can just see it now. Bluto crying his eyes out wearing his uncle Rico shirt pants combo looking up more useless lyrics to try and save his mongoloid ass. Just the facts.
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
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Matt C backing another Canadian in Bluto....how convienient ::)
I used to think you were alright "MattC" but I think your views and opinions on what Jason and others are going through is fucked up and you spouting your mouth off making this a political thread is bullshit.
Jason risked life and limb over there, had his arm f'd up, came back went through 30+ surgeries and rehab...and still busts his ass in the gym. While your scrawny Canadian ass talks shit, real manly of you.
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One might call this a fall from grace.
But he never had any to begin with so.. ;D
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Matt C backing another Canadian in Bluto....how convienient ::)
I used to think you were alright "MattC" but I think your views and opinions on what Jason and others are going through is fucked up and you spouting your mouth off making this a political thread is bullshit.
Jason risked life and limb over there, had his arm f'd up, came back went through 30+ surgeries and rehab...and still busts his ass in the gym. While your scrawny Canadian ass talks shit, real manly of you.
I'm inspired by Jason's commitment to getting back into weights and not giving up one fucking second.
He'll be back into outbenching all these queers in no time.
Fucking inspirational.
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I'm inspired by Jason's commitment to getting back into weights and not giving up one fucking second.
He'll be back into outbenching all these queers in no time.
Fucking inspirational.
I can dig that. Haven't said one negative thing about that.
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I admire jasons courage to help in the occupation and the destruction of an entire country.
It is a sad regret to not have stood for a noble cause, instead.
I wish he could have been home everynight while guarding our own borders, instead of being in a foreign country fighting them in the name of a forced democracy.
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I admire jasons courage to help in the occupation and the destruction of an entire country.
It is a sad regret to not have stood for a noble cause, instead.
I wish he could have been home everynight while guarding our own borders, instead of being in a foreign country fighting them in the name of a forced democracy.
Ouch!
They're gonna want you banned in no time now :-\
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Matt C backing another Canadian in Bluto....how convienient ::)
I used to think you were alright "MattC" but I think your views and opinions on what Jason and others are going through is fucked up and you spouting your mouth off making this a political thread is bullshit.
Jason risked life and limb over there, had his arm f'd up, came back went through 30+ surgeries and rehab...and still busts his ass in the gym. While your scrawny Canadian ass talks shit, real manly of you.
Not sure what you want me to say here. Good for him for going through something so terrible and still managing to plug away in the gym. That takes a lot of strength and spirit.
But if you expect me to support this illegal, immoral, and disgusting war of terror or to support the soldiers who are spokes on the wheel allowing it to happen, forget it.
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I admire jasons courage to help in the occupation and the destruction of an entire country.
It is a sad regret to not have stood for a noble cause, instead.
I wish he could have been home everynight while guarding our own borders, instead of being in a foreign country fighting them in the name of a forced democracy.
Good post man.
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I used to think you were alright "MattC" but I think your views and opinions on what Jason and others are going through is fucked up and you spouting your mouth off making this a political thread is bullshit.
I agree completely
Fuck mattc and fuck his shitty board
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Ban Bluto:
http://snappoll.com/poll/237786.php
Vote!
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I'm inspired by Jason's commitment to getting back into weights and not giving up one fucking second.
He'll be back into outbenching all these queers in no time.
Fucking inspirational.
Exactly, some of these guys are too busy thinking about politics instead of the actual person who gives their lives/limbs/emotional scars in what is happening over there.
Assholes. >:(
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I agree completely
Fuck mattc and fuck his shitty board
MattC is running the risk of having the taste slapped out of his mouth at the ASC...
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Exactly, some of these guys are too busy thinking about politics instead of the actual person who gives their lives/limbs/emotional scars in what is happening over there.
Assholes. >:(
If more people actually protested this disgusting war (which is only meant to be SUSTAINED, not WON) then we wouldn't have our troops losing limbs to begin with! How's that for you?
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If more people actually protested this disgusting war (which is only meant to be SUSTAINED, not WON) then we wouldn't have our troops losing limbs to begin with! How's that for you?
Canadian troops are in Iraq?? When did this happen?
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If more people actually protested this disgusting war (which is only meant to be SUSTAINED, not WON) then we wouldn't have our troops losing limbs to begin with! How's that for you?
Agree. But that is not the point of the thread, Matt.
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Agree. But that is not the point of the thread, Matt.
It's ok, he's Canadian.....they take longer to "get it" that others, remember they have alot of French in them. ;)
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If more people actually protested this disgusting war (which is only meant to be SUSTAINED, not WON) then we wouldn't have our troops losing limbs to begin with! How's that for you?
That's where I was going with my original post.
After having read numerous comments with thanks for heroism, bravery etc.
This false pride and false glory is part of the problem.
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Jason is a good man...
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Canadian troops are in Iraq?? When did this happen?
When he said Al-Quaeda IED, I assumed Afghanistan, but who knows? ::)
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When he said Al-Quaeda IED, I assumed Afghanistan, but who knows? ::)
Exactly, you don't know shit. Off yourself
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That's where I was going with my original post.
After having read numerous comments with thanks for heroism, bravery etc.
This false pride and false glory is part of the problem.
Does this look like "false" to you?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193676.0;attach=225217;image)
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Does this look like "false" to you?
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=193676.0;attach=225217;image)
That's the point.
Getting something real, for something false = bad deal.
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That's the point.
Getting something real, for something false = bad deal.
That's not the point.
The point you have been disrespectful to Jason.
There's a time and a place to be political.
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That's not the point.
The point you have been disrespectful to Jason.
There's a time and a place to be political.
That might not have been the time and the place for my cut n paste of those lyrics. If I was being disrespectful to Jason I apologize. And as far as him getting back in shape etc I applaud it (I didn't even originally read that part, but I've read people commenting on it in this thread)
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Bluto/MattC
Please tell me you're not Canadian? This guy made a sacrifice that will be with him for the rest of his life. Where I live they have a saying:
IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, STAND IN FRONT OF THEM!
Bluto is a pussy with a loud keyboard.
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Exactly, you don't know shit. Off yourself
What are you talking about now? ??? Goatboy attempted to own me by suggesting that I was suggesting that there are Canadian troops in Iraq. I pointed out that a reference to "Al-Quaeda" would indicate Afghanistan (where Canadian troops ARE deployed) and not Iraq.
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What are you talking about now? ??? Goatboy attempted to own me by suggesting that I was suggesting that there are Canadian troops in Iraq. I pointed out that a reference to "Al-Quaeda" would indicate Afghanistan (where Canadian troops ARE deployed) and not Iraq.
aka owning-attempt-backfiring-into-a-self-owning a'la goatboy
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aka owning-attempt-backfiring-into-a-self-owning a'la goatboy
Exactly.
As far as "supporting the troops" is concerned - get real. As I said, they are nothing more than thugs with guns paid to protect the assets of the rich. Try being a poor person in North America, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, and telling me otherwise.
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Exactly.
As far as "supporting the troops" is concerned - get real. As I said, they are nothing more than thugs with guns paid to protect the assets of the rich. Try being a poor person in North America, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, and telling me otherwise.
No wonder your website failed.
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No wonder your website failed.
It still pays all my bills. And what do my political views have to do with my website? Keep grasping at straws there, chaos.
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Let the president answer a high anarchy
Strap him with a AK-47, let him go fight his own war
Let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to thinking that we ain’t loyal
If we don’t serve our own country, we’re patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, its all lies
The stars and stripes, have been swiped
Washed out and wiped and replaced with his own face
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MattC
You need to get real. The only reason you are on the internet is because of troops from the past and present. You of all people should know that being a Canadian.
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Oh brother what a shitstorm. ;D To all the guys who have offered their support, quite a few of you vehemently, I'd like to say thank you. It means alot, and I appreciate it. To MattC, I wont say that you arent entitled to your opinion, and you seem to want to present yourself as a free thinker, but to generalize and stereotype me, even here on the G&O, seems low. I think that your "thugs with guns" comments is so far off base its not funny, but Ive found that trying to explain the real deal to someone with a closed mind who only believes what Micheal Moore and CNN have to say is like arguing religion. Many want to tell you their views, but when you try to express yours, they have absolutely no interest in wanting to hear it. Hope this helps.
Jason
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Let the president answer a high anarchy
Strap him with a AK-47, let him go fight his own war
Let him impress daddy that way
No more blood for oil, we got our own battles to fight on our own soil
No more psychological warfare to trick us to thinking that we ain’t loyal
If we don’t serve our own country, we’re patronizing a hero
Look in his eyes, its all lies
The stars and stripes, have been swiped
Washed out and wiped and replaced with his own face
My favourite part of that song is below. I am not religious, but appreciate the comments directed towards Bush:
"Someone's tryina tell us something,
Maybe this is God just sayin' we're responsible
For this monster, this coward,
That we have empowered"
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It still pays all my bills. And what do my political views have to do with my website? Keep grasping at straws there, chaos.
What do your political views have to do with Jason? Nothing. that's the point you stupid Canadian. Keep your political views out of the thread.
Fuck, I swear, some people are dumber than a moose. ::)
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Get better soon Brother.
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Exactly.
As far as "supporting the troops" is concerned - get real. As I said, they are nothing more than thugs with guns paid to protect the assets of the rich. Try being a poor person in North America, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, and telling me otherwise.
This isnt about your views, you are entitled to them, its about showing some class and knowing when is the right time to discuss something and when isnt.
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MattC
You need to get real. The only reason you are on the internet is because of troops from the past and present. You of all people should know that being a Canadian.
This implies that the official reasons to wage wars are the true reasons. The reason wars are fought is due to international commercial interests. Bush is so stupid, he can't even consistently lie and pretend that's not the case anymore! Check it out here (first 15 seconds says it all):
It's all about money. Not about fake terrorists in caves who can't even be proven to exist. I love how 7 of 19 alleged 9.11 airplane hijackers are still alive. Bin Laden isn't even wanted anymore in conjunction with 9.11 on the FBI's own website:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Wars are started by commercial interest groups who get people to believe they are for true causes. War is a racket that costs lives and profits in dollars. War is rarely for "freedom" as you are suggesting. False war pretexts have happened many times throughout history. Hitler's Reichstag fire anyone? ::)
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This implies that the official reasons to wage wars are the true reasons. The reason wars are fought is due to international commercial interests. Bush is so stupid, he can't even consistently lie and pretend that's not the case anymore! Check it out here (first 15 seconds says it all):
It's all about money. Not about fake terrorists in caves who can't even be proven to exist. I love how 7 of 19 alleged 9.11 airplane hijackers are still alive. Bin Laden isn't even wanted anymore in conjunction with 9.11 on the FBI's own website:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm
Wars are started by commercial interest groups who get people to believe they are for true causes. War is a racket that costs lives and profits in dollars. War is rarely for "freedom" as you are suggesting. False war pretexts have happened many times throughout history. Hitler's Reichstag fire anyone? ::)
Unfortunately for you "MattC" you are Canadian......your opinion means shit.
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To MattC, I wont say that you arent entitled to your opinion, and you seem to want to present yourself as a free thinker, but to generalize and stereotype me, even here on the G&O, seems low.
Interesting fallacy. :) I used to feel the same way. I agree that some soldiers and police officers are worse than others. You may be one of the "good" ones, but even the good ones ultimately serve the same political ends, whether you realize that or not. It's not a matter of thinking you are a good guy. The fact remains, soldiers are used as political pawns to reach certain political goals. For example, someone in the German army during WWII is still a Nazi, regardless of whether or not he is just in the army and doesn't agree with it, or considers himself a nice guy, or whatever else.
I think it's great that you are strong willed enough to fight for something you believe to be true and just and still have enough heart to move on with your life after the fact, but I still completely oppose what you fought for.
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Interesting fallacy. :) I used to feel the same way. I agree that some soldiers and police officers are worse than others. You may be one of the "good" ones, but even the good ones ultimately serve the same political ends, whether you realize that or not. It's not a matter of thinking you are a good guy. The fact remains, soldiers are used as political pawns to reach certain political goals. For example, someone in the German army during WWII is still a Nazi, regardless of whether or not he is just in the army and doesn't agree with it, or considers himself a nice guy, or whatever else.
I think it's great that you are strong willed enough to fight for something you believe to be true and just and still have enough heart to move on with your life after the fact, but I still completely oppose what you fought for.
Well, Matt, as you again failed to ask me, what was I personally fighting for? Obviously you understand my intentions, so please, spell it out for everyone else. Also, to take offense to your generalization of me is no fallacy. Its fact.
Jason
Jason
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Well, Matt, as you again failed to ask me, what was I personally fighting for? Obviously you understand my intentions, so please, spell it out for everyone else. Also, to take offense to your generalization of me is no fallacy. Its fact.
Jason
Jason
The fallacy is that you think your intentions change the fact that you were a political pawn.
Why were you in the military? I assume to fight for freedom.
I'm saying the war is for money, not for "freedom" or "terrorists" or anything else. There was no terror threat, and not fighting that war would put anyone's freedom on the line. The purpose of the war on terror is to steal oil, nothing more.
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We're all pawns in the hands of Ron Avidan.
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If a terrorist from another country came in here, would you guys be supporting him? How about the Muslim websites where the Muslim terrorists are praised? Would you guys say I would be out of line to go in there and express my political views? This is a serious question and I am curious to hear your replies.
PS - guys, hopefully you can all forgive me for disrespecting one person. It just so happens the 76,000 other people collectively mean a little more to me.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
Fucking Canadian liberal ( and liberals in general) I swear you pacifists are completely useless and clueless................ .I have nothing, this post is so blatantly fucked up it leaves me speechless >:(
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benz, are you saying that making comments about a true soldier fighting against terrorism deserves timeout? >:(
yes of course, why would i want to see some fuck1ng dumb mongol loling at those brave men fighting for a better america? fu+ck that! DEATH TO BLUTO, THE COMMIE
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What are you talking about now? ??? Goatboy attempted to own me, and he succeeded by pointing out that I am a Canadian pussy, even though I unsuccessfully tried to evade it with misdirection.
fixed! :D
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Joe - I am not a liberal. My views can't be as easily stereotyped as your neo-conservative ones. Your points of view are obvious - I can basically tell you what your beliefs are on everything without even hearing them from you first. If I were a liberal, I would believe in welfare, universal health care, and other liberal ideas. I believe in nothing of the sort. I can't be so easily typecast.
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Joe - I am not a liberal. My views can't be as easily stereotyped as your neo-conservative ones. Your points of view are obvious - I can basically tell you what your beliefs are on everything without even hearing them from you first. If I were a liberal, I would believe in welfare, universal health care, and other liberal ideas. I believe in nothing of the sort. I can't be so easily typecast.
Whatever Matt.
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Epic armband tattoos. Monster 14.5" arms at 28% bodyfat. Hey, this is Getbig right?
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So far no real rebuttals, just the same tired rhetoric and ad hominem attacks.
The only point I concede with is that this thread is not the most appropriate place to voice my opinions, not that they are fundamentally flawed.
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So far no real rebuttals, just the same tired rhetoric and ad hominem attacks.
The only point I concede with is that this thread is not the most appropriate place to voice my fundamentally flawed opinions.
;D
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Jason, i sincerely apologize to you for a comment i had made previously, you are no longer just some handle to me but a superior to me in many ways. Respect.
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;D
This is a very factual report of the true reason for war, although I would not say that the matter was urgent at the time:
Actually it's a little more than that. He did fight to maintain our way of life and standard of living in the long term. I don't think anyone has a clue what happens if the supply of oil gets interrupted, even a little, even briefly. I do, and it ain't pretty. Your safe little middle-class lifestyle can collapse into something resembling Bosnia inside of a week or two... it doesn't take much.
The world is past peak oil, and China is growing more and more thirsty for a larger portion of what's left. Until we can transition to other energy sources, we must ensure our supply keeps flowing uninterrupted. Was Iraq about WMD or "freedom"? Of course not... that's the cover story for the great unwashed. But make no mistake about it, it IS all about maintaining our way of life. So how 'bout saying "thank you" to Jason, or shutting the fucck up?
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LOL! Absolutely true.
War IS terror. And a war which resulted in the deaths of (very conservatively) 76,000 innocent people IS TERRORISM. The problem is, people believe the official story. If I went out to kill thousands of innocent people and got a major injury, would you call me a hero? Would you call me a hero if I believed in my heart that I was fighting a good cause?
It doesn't matter what the soldiers BELIEVE, it's what can be proven to be true, and they are no better than baby killers when you look at the actual FACTS. How ridiculous to justify their immoral actions by saying they believe in their hearts that what they are doing is right. No doubt many tyrants felt the same way. Some say they don't support the war, but they support the troops. Well the troops support the war, so it logically follows that to support the troops means to support the war.
So the arabs who kill other arabs in roadside bombings, or bomb churches n coffee shops, they're not terrorists? Yeah i guess you're right, i find when i kill innocent people havin tea in a coffee shop i'd like to be called a freedom fighter.
hey matt c you're a fag grow some balls
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Fucking Canadian liberal ( and liberals in general) I swear you pacifists are completely useless and clueless................ .I have nothing, this post is so blatantly fucked up it leaves me speechless >:(
fortunately for us, you being speechless is a good thing. you're one of those idiots that listens to savage or limbaugh and actually takes their opinions seriously instead of as the comedy they are. probably a fan of ann coulter as well. ::)
there's a big bold line between being anti-war in the abstract and realizing that THIS war was a big heaping serving of bullshit. i supported the war in afghanistan but if you don't recognize that iraq was both a fraud and a failure then you're an idiot, plain and simple.
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So the arabs who kill other arabs in roadside bombings, or bomb churches n coffee shops, they're not terrorists? Yeah i guess you're right, i find when i kill innocent people havin tea in a coffee shop i'd like to be called a freedom fighter.
hey matt c you're a fag grow some balls
Sure, they are terrorists. How about the US soldiers who go overseas and end up killing innocent children, whether intentional or not?
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lol.
the Americans have gone around the globe for the better part of half a century, bulling nations and poking their noses in affairs that do not concern them, sacrificing its own citizenry for monetary gain.
but the minute one person speaks up and says take a look around you and at what your gov't is doing, you all cry 'ban him!"
lol.
if you only could hear how ignorant you all sound.
the land of the free, huh?
nice work guys.
nothing like keeping the stereotype of the way your nation is perceived thru the rest of the world'ds eyes alive.
you are your own worst enemy.
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lol.
the Americans have gone around the globe for the better part of half a century, bulling nations and poking their noses in affairs that do not concern them, sacrificing its own citizenry for monetary gain.
but the minute one person speaks up and says take a look around you and at what your gov't is doing, you all cry 'ban him!"
lol.
if you only could hear how ignorant you all sound.
the land of the free, huh?
nice work guys.
nothing like keeping the stereotype of the way your nation is perceived thru the rest of the world'ds eyes alive.
you are your own worst enemy.
shut up commie bastard
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So the arabs who kill other arabs in roadside bombings, or bomb churches n coffee shops, they're not terrorists? Yeah i guess you're right, i find when i kill innocent people havin tea in a coffee shop i'd like to be called a freedom fighter.
hey matt c you're a fag grow some balls
matt's a little... out there for me, but you have to define a terrorist versus a soldier. it strikes me as odd that so many of the people speaking out against "terrorists" think the solution would be to have our military kill all the men, women, and children of the area. from that perspective, terrorists are just soldiers without a concrete hierarchy.
on the other hand, if you realize that our military is intended for more noble purposes, then you realize why jason's situation is such a fucking tragedy.
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on the other hand, if you realize that our military is intended for more noble purposes, then you realize why jason's situation is such a fucking tragedy.
Zach_G85,
All countries say that about their armies! The exact same brainwashing exists all over the world. What facts do you have to prove that the American military is indeed more noble?
lol.
the Americans have gone around the globe for the better part of half a century, bulling nations and poking their noses in affairs that do not concern them, sacrificing its own citizenry for monetary gain.
but the minute one person speaks up and says take a look around you and at what your gov't is doing, you all cry 'ban him!"
lol.
if you only could hear how ignorant you all sound.
the land of the free, huh?
nice work guys.
nothing like keeping the stereotype of the way your nation is perceived thru the rest of the world'ds eyes alive.
you are your own worst enemy.
What's sad is that getbig is a liberal board! I find the series of responses here very frightening. That said, those who agree with me are for the most part just not chiming in. It's not that this point of view doesn't have numerous supporters.
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I can't believe the idiots calling soldiers "terrorists". No, the difference is NOT the "lack of a hierarchy". ::) The difference is that terrorists intentionally target civilian noncombatants. Soldiers do everything they can to try and avoid hitting civilians. In any war zone, civilians are going to become casualties, but there's a HUGE difference between accidentally hitting them (soldiers) and intentionally trying to hit them (terrorists).
Hope this helps. ::)
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shut up commie bastard
around the world you are regarded as fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers.
this response is typical and only strengthens the why others feel so poorly about you as a nation.
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around the world you are regarded as fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers.
this response is typical and only strengthens the why others feel so poorly about you as a nation.
hahaha hello "sleeping cell" bastard
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around the world you are regarded as fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers.
this response is typical and only strengthens the why others feel so poorly about you as a nation.
Benz lives in Chile. You're saying the world regards Chileans as "fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers"?
I had no idea! ::)
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around the world you are regarded as fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers.
this response is typical and only strengthens the why others feel so poorly about you as a nation.
Brutal ignorance on who you are talking to...... ;D
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I can't believe the idiots calling soldiers "terrorists". No, the difference is NOT the "lack of a hierarchy". ::) The difference is that terrorists intentionally target civilian noncombatants. Soldiers do everything they can to try and avoid hitting civilians. In any war zone, civilians are going to become casualties, but there's a HUGE difference between accidentally hitting them (soldiers) and intentionally trying to hit them (terrorists).
Hope this helps. ::)
oh please. the firebombing of germany and the nukes in japan weren't intentionally targeting civilians? i agree with you that ideally war should remain amongst the soldiers, but to act like militaries have never attempted to use mass civilian casualties in order to horrify the leaders into surrender is just ridiculous, ignoring still the vast number of war supporters who have proposed the "total war" mindset.
by and large the military doesn't "accidentally" hit civilians any more than you "accidentally" hit a tree while trying to shoot at a paint can. you may not have been aiming at it but you sure don't give a shit if you do.
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I can't believe the idiots calling soldiers "terrorists". No, the difference is NOT the "lack of a hierarchy". ::) The difference is that terrorists intentionally target civilian noncombatants. Soldiers do everything they can to try and avoid hitting civilians. In any war zone, civilians are going to become casualties, but there's a HUGE difference between accidentally hitting them (soldiers) and intentionally trying to hit them (terrorists).
Hope this helps. ::)
Got it. So 3,000 dead Americans "on purpose" is more of a terrorist act than 76,000+ dead Iraqis "by accident". Thanks for clarifying that, goatboy.
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Why should I support someone who is doing something immoral? Just because those immoral actions are under the guise of something good doesn't make it justified.
It is painfully obvious that you haven't the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about.
Now go run along kid...
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i'd also like to ask what it means, then, when someone plants a roadside bomb that blows up underneath a US military humvee. does that mean that WASN'T a terrorist, because the target was military?
so if an al-qaeda maniac sets off a bomb in a bus, he's a terrorist, but if he sets off a bomb on a street under a marine's truck, he isn't? gotta admit, that doesn't make much sense to me.
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Got it. So 3,000 dead Americans "on purpose" is more of a terrorist act than 76,000+ dead Iraqis "by accident". Thanks for clarifying that, goatboy.
How many of them were combatants vs. noncombatants? How many were directly killed by Americans? You're just tossing that figure out there without really explaining what's behind it. Something tells me if we drill down on that you're intended argument is going to evaporate.
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It is painfully obvious that you haven't the slightest fucking clue as to what you are talking about.
Now go run along kid...
The complete lack of any facts present in rebuttals of my posts never cease to amaze me. Are people so oblivious to the actual politics behind this war that they can't come back and refute anything I say with anything at all of substance? Again, these are very scary thoughts.
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Benz lives in Chile. You're saying the world regards Chileans as "fat, beer- drinking, unintelliigent, trailer-park dwellers"?
I had no idea! ::)
no, just benz.
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How many of them were combatants vs. noncombatants? How many were directly killed by Americans? You're just tossing that figure out there without really explaining what's behind it. Something tells me if we drill down on that you're intended argument is going to evaporate.
here's a few situations, tell me who the terrorists are and who aren't:
1) soldier who kills a soldier on purpose.
2) soldier who attempts to kill soldiers but accidentally kills a house full of civilians.
3) soldier who kills a house full of civilians on purpose.
4) non-soldier who kills a soldier on purpose.
5) non-soldier who attempts to kill soldiers but accidentally kills civilians.
6) non-soldier who kills civilians on purpose.
by your definition, only #6 is truly a terrorist, and possibly #3. however, we're calling all the people who did this to jason "terrorists". on what grounds?
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I remember when 240 was going through the phase "MattC" and mistermangoo are going through now....then he "got it" one day....whether or not you agree with it or like it....it's happening and not a fucking thing you Canadian cybabies or mistermangoo can do about it. ha :-*
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To MattC,
I am 100% against the war, but never in a million years would I disrespect a Unites States war veteran the way you just did.
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here's a few situations, tell me who the terrorists are and who aren't:
1) soldier who kills a soldier on purpose.
2) soldier who attempts to kill soldiers but accidentally kills a house full of civilians.
3) soldier who kills a house full of civilians on purpose.
4) non-soldier who kills a soldier on purpose.
5) non-soldier who attempts to kill soldiers but accidentally kills civilians.
6) non-soldier who kills civilians on purpose.
by your definition, only #6 is truly a terrorist, and possibly #3. however, we're calling all the people who did this to jason "terrorists". on what grounds?
I would say #3 and #6, since the intentional targeting of civilians is my qualifying definition.
I would call the people who did this to jason "enemy combatants", not terrorists. However, if those same people intentionally targeted civilians, then they would be terrorists. Either way they are the enemy... who cares what we call them?
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I remember when 240 was going through the phase "MattC" and mistermangoo are going through now....then he "got it" one day....whether or not you agree with it or like it....it's happening and not a fucking thing you Canadian cybabies or mistermangoo can do about it. ha :-*
There were a lot of reasons the war happened. It keeps opium flowing, it sets up an attack base for Iraq. It allows the US to 'squeeze' Iran. The US gets access to the trillions of dollars in oil in the Caspian sea. The USA gets to give money to defense contractors.
Is the US quality of life higher now since the events of 9.11? Sure. Was any of that moral? Hell no. I would rather have my quality of life suffer than hurt my fellow man. I would sooner die than steal from someone else to live.
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I would rather have my quality of life suffer than hurt my fellow man. I would sooner die than steal from someone else to live.
That's what makes you disposable. You are the type of person that thinks he will be a martyr for giving up his "quality of life" before "hurting your fellow man".
Some kind of moral high ground you are trying to take.....funny how you have to belittle the actions of American troops to do it. Some morality ::)
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That's what makes you disposable. You are the type of person that thinks he will be a martyr for giving up his "quality of life" before "hurting your fellow man".
Some kind of moral high ground you are trying to take.....funny how you have to belittle the actions of American troops to do it. Some morality ::)
I'm against the war and the troops are the spokes in the wheel which allow the war to continue, so by logic, I need to be against the troops too.
Do you think that a person who has no experience in the military shouldn't judge the troops?
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Do you think that a person who has no experience in the military shouldn't judge the troops?
No, every man is free to judge who he wants. But when the judgement comes back on you, for your opinion, don't cry about it, you brought it on yourself.
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No, every man is free to judge who he wants. But when the judgement comes back on you, for your opinion, don't cry about it, you brought it on yourself.
I don't mind judgment...
But I would prefer a civilized debate. Rather than simply "your [sic] an idiot for not following the status quo" and other comments like that.
But I agree, this is not the most appropriate time and place. I admire Jason for being able to move on despite what happened to him. I'm sure my opinions would be better received in a separate thread.
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I'm sure my opinions would be better received in a separate thread.
Probably not. ;D
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But I agree, this is not the most appropriate time and place.
Why didnt you realise that 7 pages ago?
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Probably not. ;D
I meant...uh...well you know what I mean.
Why didnt you realise that 7 pages ago?
I did, but I am a big sound byte. I still mean what I said, but I apologize for derailing this thread.
Almost always on the first page of threads like this you have someone saying "And let's NOT talk about [related controversial topic]." With that the controversial topic is introduced and the thread is subsequently derailed. ;D
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RON YOU HAVE WARNED MANY HERE FOR MAKING RACIST JOKES AGAINST "THOSE" YET YOU ACCEPT BLUTO TO TALK SH1T AGAINST A FELLOW AMERICAN?
RON: ARE YOU WITH AMERICA OR NOT? PICK YOUR SIDE RIGHT NOW AND SHOW US WHO YOU REALLY ARE.
hahahaahah.
your a jackass.
way to give every non-american a cliche american post to laugh at.
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hahahaahah.
your a jackass.
way to give every non-american a cliche american post to laugh at.
How was the re-hab in Oakland Candidate?
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I remember when 240 was going through the phase "MattC" and mistermangoo are going through now....then he "got it" one day....whether or not you agree with it or like it....it's happening and not a fucking thing you Canadian cybabies or mistermangoo can do about it. ha :-*
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sometimes you take the "i have to be a hardass" shtick so far you look kinda stupid, buddy.
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sometimes you take the "i have to be a hardass" shtick so far you look kinda stupid, buddy.
No offense Magoo but I'm one of the few who met chaos IRL and he ain't short of a hardass....
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Jason,
Brutal arm wound. Fuck lifting. Call in tomorrow night and let's talk about your time in the shit and getting fragged IRL.
646-595-3895
gh14.9
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Jason,
Brutal arm wound. Fuck lifting. Call in tomorrow night and let's talk about your time in the shit and getting fragged IRL.
646-595-3895
gh14.9
Hope he does call in.. Great dude with a strong heart.
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How was the re-hab in Oakland Candidate?
great, thanks
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Who here has served in the military?
;D
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Jason is a shittalker here on getbig....who looked/looks like shit. And another thing...u don't owe him anything for your freedom to lift and eat...he fought for the wrong cause. Noone threatened america in irak...except for weapons of mass destruction ::)..wanna be patriotic / ok: accept the fact that your country is led by a bunch of criminals who don't give a fuck about u and would kill u in a sec if u in the way of their goals...CIA is responsible for all drug imports and the methamphetamine addiction all over US.....and stop talking about those goat shepperds who threaten your liberty....America is the biggest bully around this planet and only an ignorant would fail to recon that Jason pegg was sent there to kill some foreigners who never threatened him like a dumb sheep.....Too bad for your injuries homey...but noone asked u to go there....dumb meathead.
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Jason is a shittalker here on getbig....who looked/looks like shit. And another thing...u don't owe him anything for your freedom to lift and eat...he fought for the wrong cause. Noone threatened america in irak...except for weapons of mass destruction ::)..wanna be patriotic / ok: accept the fact that your country is led by a bunch of criminals who don't give a fuck about u and would kill u in a sec if u in the way of their goals...CIA is responsible for all drug imports and the methamphetamine addiction all over US.....and stop talking about those goat shepperds who threaten your liberty....America is the biggest bully around this planet and only an ignorant would fail to recon that Jason pegg was sent there to kill some foreigners who never threatened him like a dumb sheep.....Too bad for your injuries homey...but noone asked u to go there....dumb meathead.
All true! I particularly like the parts I put in bold above.
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All true! I particularly like the parts I put in bold above.
thank u matt....is good to know that there are some normal people out there who realise what's happening around them....cause 99 % of people I talk to just laugh at me...
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thank u matt....is good to know that there are some normal people out there who realise what's happening around them....cause 99 % of people I talk to just laugh at me...
A lot of people in Canada and Europe feel the same way that you do, and even in the US, George Bush's supporters are no greater than 30-35% of the population and probably even less than that. I think the thing about this thread is that people want to support their fellow getbigger and would also prefer to depersonalize the war by blaming the government rather than the soldiers. I understand their point of view, although I still hold the soldiers accountable. I do feel sorry for the many poor people who become soldiers not because it's what they believe in, but because they have no other choice. :-\
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Jason Pegg : So what if I'm poor and don't see anything in my future ? I can go in the army , in IRAK AND KILL A FEW PEOPLE ( they are terrorists so BIG BROTHER up there will forgive me ) , and the nice US gov the biggest contract killing client on the planet will even pay me for it....with the money I can buy all the tren and hallo I need and go back home to play powerlifter for a few years un til I figure out what to do.... I do feel a little fucked up in the head from the methamphetamines they gave me so I can kill people easier but that's ok now :-\
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
100 percent with you on that one... To even act like the actions that he took weren't truly heroic is disgusting.
No matter what you believe about the war, or what country you're from... respect the people who put it on the line every day.
Other soldiers respect each other... It's a shame that some other people don't.
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Exactly.
As far as "supporting the troops" is concerned - get real. As I said, they are nothing more than thugs with guns paid to protect the assets of the rich. Try being a poor person in North America, or anywhere else in the world for that matter, and telling me otherwise.
u are on fucking point there brotha
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Fucking Canadian liberal ( and liberals in general) I swear you pacifists are completely useless and clueless................ .I have nothing, this post is so blatantly fucked up it leaves me speechless >:(
STFU you bring NOTHING to this thread
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A lot of people in Canada and Europe feel the same way that you do, and even in the US, George Bush's supporters are no greater than 30-35% of the population and probably even less than that. I think the thing about this thread is that people want to support their fellow getbigger and would also prefer to depersonalize the war by blaming the government rather than the soldiers. I understand their point of view, although I still hold the soldiers accountable. I do feel sorry for the many poor people who become soldiers not because it's what they believe in, but because they have no other choice. :-\
and if these men did not sign up there would be a draft. You are simply genious.
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Message to Jason: You are a hero in my book. If you are in Maryland, PM me and your membership at my gym is on me.
It does seem odd that Ron and Hedge get shitty when I point out the facts of Islam and what it is doing to innocent people abroad and our guys in uniform everyday of the week. What is their motivation?
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I wanna congratulate a guy who's been to hell and back, a true patriot who has put his life on the line for us Bush and his rich friends and US oil and banking interests.
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100 percent with you on that one... To even act like the actions that he took weren't truly heroic is disgusting.
No matter what you believe about the war, or what country you're from... respect the people who put it on the line every day.
Other soldiers respect each other... It's a shame that some other people don't.
Are you saying all soldiers are heroes, regardless of what they are fighting for?
and if these men did not sign up there would be a draft. You are simply genious.
haha, yeah, good luck drafting someone like ME. There is no fucking way that I would fight in any war for profit - I would sooner go to jail. Unfortunately people falsely believe wars are for freedom and not for money and that is why they are so eager to fight in them. And if I genuinely felt the same way, I would gladly enlist.
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Wars are never about quarells, but are about assets - Jean Jacques Rousseu
Good luck on the recovery bro
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When did this happen?
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Fixed.
Are you saying all soldiers are heroes, regardless of what they are fighting for?
haha, yeah, good luck drafting someone like ME. There is no fucking way that I would fight in any war for profit - I would sooner go to jail. Unfortunately people falsely believe wars are for freedom and not for money and that is why they are so eager to fight in them. And if I genuinely felt the same way, I would gladly enlist.
A soldier who fights is ALWAYS a hero... Even if you don't believe in it yourself.
He may not be a hero to you or me... but he's a hero to someone.
Soldiers respect each other.
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Good luck bro! many ppl in your shoes would have given up. I don't think the war is justified but that's easy to say in hindsight. Back in 2002-3 i believed in it and was for it, afghanistan that is...iraq however ...too many americans are gonna die for something that isn't a threat. it's easy to be for it when u watch the news but when you see the al jazera footage of the dead Americans :'(
Are you saying all soldiers are heroes, regardless of what they are fighting for?
Yes! remember this... many soldier don't fight for their country or their leaders, but for themselves and their brothers in arms.
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A soldier who fights is ALWAYS a hero... Even if you don't believe in it yourself.
He may not be a hero to you or me... but he's a hero to someone.
Soldiers respect each other.
If you take the "ideal" the hero = fighting for out of the picture (if the ideal = good or bad is often a matter of who's judging anyway), then you can say that a soldier fighting in Irak is a hero, because he/she has to have many of the traits that we commonly associate with being a hero. Risking ones life for a higher agenda, hard work, courage, not giving up no matter what and so on...
Of course, if you use this way of thinking, you can also claim that a terrorist = a hero.
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If you take the "ideal" the hero = fighting for out of the picture (if the ideal = good or bad is often a matter of who's judging anyway), then you can say that a soldier fighting in Irak is a hero, because he/she has to have many of the traits that we commonly associate with being a hero. Risking ones life for a higher agenda, hard work, courage, not giving up no matter what and so on...
Of course, if you use this way of thinking, you can also claim that a terrorist = a hero.
While any terrorist isn't a hero to me... we can not deny that terrorists are indeed heroes to SOMEONE.
I'll slice and dice them, but that doesn't mean that somewhere, someone isn't praying for their safe return.
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Jay-good luck with your arm.
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While any terrorist isn't a hero to me... we can not deny that terrorists are indeed heroes to SOMEONE.
I'll slice and dice them, but that doesn't mean that somewhere, someone isn't praying for their safe return.
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Debussey thinks that a requirement for being a hero is to possess the personality traits of being a true hero.
Then, if the overwhelming majority of the population that judges the "hero" (since the only universal criteria for judging the higher ideal = if many people agree with it at a certain point in time) agrees with the ideal the hero fights for, then he is a true hero.
Then, what people thinks varies througout time, so a "hero" today can be a "zero" in 100 years because the ideal is seen in another light.
How the majority of the people in the US evaluates the ideal the soliders are fighting for (not just the war, but also the ideal of doing your best as an army representative (the internal army ideals, lot of honor associated with that, no matter what the war is fought for) and how they see their courageful efforts is the best way to determine if a solider risking his life = a hero.
We need to split the "ideal" into several sub parts, like:
- The reason for the war
- the general view of a solider following order
- The general view of the US army
- the romantic view of somebody sacrificing themselves for something greater
- the historical way this war will be seen
- the long term effects of removing Saddam. Perhaps the arabic world will be better off by this war in the long term (50+ years)? Who knows.
- spreading western values
If the majority of the sub parts of the "ideal" turns out positive, and is supported by the majority, then a soldier fighting in Irak is a hero, based on the criteria for which a true hero is judged, as described within this post.
Another distinction: A desk job in Irak does not satisfy the requirements for being a true hero. One has to either contribute strategically through tactical genius, or be out there risking ones life on the battlefields.
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Jay Pegg. From a fellow service member, thanks for everything. I'm Air Force, 10 years, I get out in September. Had enough...Seen enough...
To all the Americans on the board whether or not you support the war should make no difference. You should always stand behind the troops. They might not agree with the reason they fight every time but they do it because they swore to.
Ron, if it hasn't already been done I highly recommend Bluto is put in time out for six months minimum. I consider stuff like this worse than racism.
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Debussey, what about the Appeal to Popularity fallacy?
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To all the Americans on the board whether or not you support the war should make no difference.
Let's please stop promoting this illogical thought! By no means should people always support the troops. If the troops were sent to kill babies in China, should we support them too? Of course not! Think about what you are saying here.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
Ban this nerd
ta ta
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Debussey thinks that a requirement for being a hero is to possess the personality traits of being a true hero.
Then, if the overwhelming majority of the population that judges the "hero" (since the only universal criteria for judging the higher ideal = if many people agree with it at a certain point in time) agrees with the ideal the hero fights for, then he is a true hero.
Then, what people thinks varies througout time, so a "hero" today can be a "zero" in 100 years because the ideal is seen in another light.
How the majority of the people in the US evaluates the ideal the soliders are fighting for (not just the war, but also the ideal of doing your best as an army representative (the internal army ideals, lot of honor associated with that, no matter what the war is fought for) and how they see their courageful efforts is the best way to determine if a solider risking his life = a hero.
We need to split the "ideal" into several sub parts, like:
- The reason for the war
- the general view of a solider following order
- The general view of the US army
- the romantic view of somebody sacrificing themselves for something greater
- the historical way this war will be seen
- the long term effects of removing Saddam. Perhaps the arabic world will be better off by this war in the long term (50+ years)? Who knows.
- spreading western values
If the majority of the sub parts of the "ideal" turns out positive, and is supported by the majority, then a soldier fighting in Irak is a hero, based on the criteria for which a true hero is judged, as described within this post.
Another distinction: A desk job in Irak does not satisfy the requirements for being a true hero. One has to either contribute strategically through tactical genius, or be out there risking ones life on the battlefields.
Given the questionable reasons behind the "ideal" they are fighting for, plus the fact that this was an injury from a bomb, Debussey does not think he fulfills the critieria of being a hero.
If he had saved a friend from being burned alive in a truck in Irak by risking his life and perhaps getting injured, he'd be a hero almost regardless of the "ideal". But this is not the case.
He is a brave man though, very brave.
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'hero' is vague.
If you think about it, a larger % of the world believes Osama is a hero, than they believe Bush is.
So I don't put much worth into public perception of a hero.
Jason Pegg is a hero to me beacuse he fought to help preserve my way of life. Do I believe the WMD fairy tale? Of course not. Most educated people have given up on that story now. But I do believe the war will make America stronger. We now control 80% of Iraqi oil, and we have a slew of new permanent military bases in the region. I will have more access to gas for my truck, and I will fear a Russian attack, less, thanks to his service.
Guys, you have to remember that this war serves an offensive AND a defensive purpose. Sure, there are war profiteers and there are abuses. But the oil and global position we're gaining has made us safer, there is no denying that. Half of the 911 commissioners have called the official story a lie - we can take their word for it, that 911 had a lot of shady shit about it. And WMD was all a lie, because Americans can't do the math and see we need bases and oil control.
It is what it is. We can't change it. We all play our positions. Jason is a hero to me for protecting my country and my way of life. That's it.
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While any terrorist isn't a hero to me... we can not deny that terrorists are indeed heroes to SOMEONE.
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter 8)
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STFU you bring NOTHING to this thread
And this was the only post I've seen of yours. Whats your point?
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Jason is a helluva man, and its an honour to have him post on getbig.
Bluto should be put in time-out for that response.
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Ban this nerd
ta ta
Ironically, I have more service with the military and with the UN than almost everyone bashing me in this thread.
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Ironically, I have more service with the military and with the UN than almost everyone bashing me in this thread.
As if the UN has any credibility. Just because someone was in the military doesn't make then an expert.
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Debussey, what about the Appeal to Popularity fallacy?
Well, if you posted this in a direct response to Debusseys post about the criteria for being a true "hero", then you got to remember that since the "ideal" part of the hero - defenition is not determinable by definitive criteria, the critieria of intersubjectivity in the given population that are to evaluate if one is a hero or not is to be used. Thus, since there = no clear cut truth here, only the intersubjectivity in a population at point X in time, the idea of a a determinable truth is not usable. Ergo, the Appeal to Popularity might not have its place here.?
Within this area, you can say that the ones in power has manipulated the population with the Appeal to Popularity fallacy to promote the ideals that leads to the intersubjectivity that then leads to the fulfillment of the ideal sub criteria. But this is still not relevant because the subjective feelings of the population = still there, and the ways to it is irrelevant.
Then one can ask oneself if it is ethical for a population to accept a flawed ideal, but this is another thing, because the ethics to determine the hero = decided within the population where the intersubjectivity exists if this defenition are to hold true.
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Let's please stop promoting this illogical thought! By no means should people always support the troops. If the troops were sent to kill babies in China, should we support them too? Of course not! Think about what you are saying here.
I'm thinking me arguing with you is going to be pointless but I have some time waste to education an uniformed board member. Illogical thought? You speak as if we (America) go to war on a whim ALL THE TIME. Like I said, we service members don't always agree with the reasons why we go but the moment you sign and raise your hand, you know what your getting into. Even though I don't agree with the initial reasons why we went in, we are there and to leave at this moment would be grave mistake. This has been acknowledged by many politicians (minus Ron Paul). If you don't believe in your government perhaps you should find another country of residence assuming you live in the U.S. You're probably like one of those guys that go and interrupt troop funerals.
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Nobody should be put in time-out for bashing him. This would only follow if Getbig = a board only for those hard core people from US. It is not, and since bashing of religion and other things that resembles this situation = allowed, it would be fucked up to ban or time out somebody for making posts like Bluto did.
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As if the UN has any credibility. Just because someone was in the military doesn't make then an expert.
That is true. The reason why I am so passionate about this topic is in part due to my years of service for the Canadian Forces reserve and knowing what a farce world politics are. I couldn't stand being a political pawn and had to quit. The CF was paying me $2,000 a year to go to university and a half day's pay ($52 for me at the time) to come in on Tuesday nights for three hours (minimum requirement of course, I did way more most of the time). I had to stay in until October of 2004 to get my $2,000 payment and I would only have to work six more Tuesday nights (18 hours). I would have been paid $2,300 for 18 hours work and I still quit. That's how much I despised the military. I felt very under-appreciated for what I did on all fronts, but I can accept a civilian not appreciating what I did, but I find it very offensive that people within the army treat each other so terribly, and that is in the Canadian army - it is no doubt far worse in the USA.
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Make LOVE Not WAR :-*
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That is true. The reason why I am so passionate about this topic is in part due to my years of service for the Canadian Forces reserve and know what a farce world politics are. I couldn't stand being a political pawn and had to quit. The CF was paying me $2,000 a year to go to university and a half day's pay ($52 for me at the time) to come in on Tuesday nights for three hours (minimum requirement of course, I did way more most of the time). I had to stay in until October of 2004 to get my $2,000 payment and I would only have to work six more Tuesday nights (18 hours). I would have been paid $2,300 for 18 hours work and I still quit. That's how much I despised the military. I felt very under-appreciated for what I did on all fronts, but I can accept a civilian not appreciating what I did, but I find it very offensive that people within the army treat each other so terribly, and that is in the Canadian army - it is no doubt far worse in the USA.
The army in Debusseys opinion holds one great promise for men like us: The access to extreme ways of pushing ones comfort zone and developing intense courage, not easily obtained in the civil world. This of course, requires special training, but that = another thing.
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The army in Debusseys opinion holds one great promise for men like us: The access to extreme ways of pushing ones comfort zone and developing intense courage, not easily obtained in the civil world. This of course, requires special training, but that = another thing.
If I scanned pictures of all of my military achievement awards, I think a lot of people would immediately lend credibility to some of my statements. Even though, that too, is illogical. ;D
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That is true. The reason why I am so passionate about this topic is in part due to my years of service for the Canadian Forces reserve and know what a farce world politics are. I couldn't stand being a political pawn and had to quit. The CF was paying me $2,000 a year to go to university and a half day's pay ($52 for me at the time) to come in on Tuesday nights for three hours (minimum requirement of course, I did way more most of the time). I had to stay in until October of 2004 to get my $2,000 payment and I would only have to work six more Tuesday nights (18 hours). I would have been paid $2,300 for 18 hours work and I still quit. That's how much I despised the military. I felt very under-appreciated for what I did on all fronts, but I can accept a civilian not appreciating what I did, but I find it very offensive that people within the army treat each other so terribly, and that is in the Canadian army - it is no doubt far worse in the USA.
Oh you're Canadian? I just wasted the last 10 minutes. You're propaganda is different than ours, you wouldn't understand ::)
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If I scanned pictures of all of my military achievement awards, I think a lot of people would immediately lend credibility to some of my statements. Even though, that too, is illogical. ;D
Well, in ones journy through life, it is wise to accept that people = not always logical, and to take advantage of that ;D
Please respond to Debusseys answer about the appeal to popularity fallacy. Debussey = not quite sure what your intention was, and Debusses answer might have been totally off.
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Oh you're Canadian? I just wasted the last 10 minutes. You're propaganda is different than ours, you wouldn't understand ::)
Somewhat different, yes. We are mostly just the "little buddy" of the USA.
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Oh you're Canadian? I just wasted the last 10 minutes. You're propaganda is different than ours, you wouldn't understand ::)
Well, you can comfort your hurt soul with the fact that MattC can outsmart you 10 times over and run intellectual circles around you on one foot.
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If I scanned pictures of all of my military achievement awards, I think a lot of people would immediately lend credibility to some of my statements. Even though, that too, is illogical. ;D
Who gives a shit about what awards you have? How does that lend credence to anything you say because you were in the military? I just told you, I'm in the military (10 years), I have tons of awards ribbons, etc...I'm against the war but I know what I got into when I signed up. You don't pick what wars you want to support when you're in. I'm not worried about your support, you're Canadian I could give two shits...
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Well, you can comfort your hurt soul with the fact that MattC can outsmart you 10 times over and run intellectual circles around you on one foot.
Really? You think so? In political ideologies and theories? I highly doubt it.....Matt's right nut called it wants you to let go of it.
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Really? You think so? In political ideologies and theories? I highly doubt it.....Matt's right nut called it wants you to let go of it.
Yes, when he = not playing stupid, he can outsmart you 10 times over, even in politics.
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ok... ::)
Let me guess what you're basing this on...............nah.... to easy.
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It should be noted that some people here
1) Still believe we went to war in Iraq primarily over wmd, and
2) Still believe the official 911 story, despite half of the 911 commissioners themselves calling it a false whitewash from the white house.
So we're at all different starting points here.
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Who gives a shit about what awards you have? How does that lend credence to anything you say because you were in the military? I just told you, I'm in the military (10 years), I have tons of awards ribbons, etc...I'm against the war but I know what I got into when I signed up. You don't pick what wars you want to support when you're in. I'm not worried about your support, you're Canadian I could give two shits...
Yes, my military background is irrelevant, but somehow people in general do not treat it that way. I do not support the war. I do not support the troops.
It's unfortunate that what happened to Jason happened, but when three police officers decide to beat the shit out of a black man for no reason other than the fact that he's black and the black man ends up shooting and killing them, don't expect me to praise them just because they are police officers and swear to serve and protect. If you go to bat for something that is illegal and immoral and suffer consequences from it, don't expect my support, and for that matter, you have no right to expect any support at all.
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ok... ::)
Let me guess what you're basing this on...............nah.... to easy.
MattC's educational accomplishments, his ability to use logic in "fuzzy" areas that still demands it (like remaining rational in this discussion) and so on.
And the fact that you = a dumb irrational fuck.
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Yes, my military background is irrelevant, but somehow people in general do not treat it that way. I do not support the war. I do not support the troops.
It's unfortunate that what happened to Jason happened, but when three police officers decide to beat the shit out of a black man for no reason other than the fact that he's black and the black man ends up shooting and killing them, don't expect me to praise them just because they are police officers and swear to serve and protect. If you go to bat for something that is illegal and immoral and suffer consequences from it, don't expect my support, and for that matter, you have no right to expect any support at all.
That's the difference between us. You see the war as illegal and immoral and I don't.
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MattC's educational accomplishments, his ability to use logic in "fuzzy" areas that still demands it (like remaining rational in this discussion) and so on.
And the fact that you = a dumb irrational fuck.
yeah ok...buh, bye now... :-*
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That's the difference between us. You see the war as illegal and aimmoral and I don't.
FIFY :)
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yeah ok...buh, bye now... :-*
Nice try cotton.
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FIFY :)
"an"....sue me Mr. English teach a typo ::)
Sheesh :P
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I believe two things.
1.) The bravery and courage it takes to enter a warzone and carry out your duties as a soldier and go through the psychological and obvious physical pain is something special.
2.) Yes, all the fighting and dying is done in vain. He may have done it for the free college tuition or the brainwashing ideas that they're fighting for freedom and democracy, but in either case he's a hero for his personal experiences, not for his cause. I'm sorry.
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That's the difference between us. You see the war as illegal and immoral and I don't.
I guess that is open to debate, but yes, I do see the war as being both illegal and immoral. I have heard some compelling arguments to the contrary and that is fine. What I do not appreciate are thoughts that simply because the USA is participating in this war it automatically makes it moral. That to me is not a demonstration of critical thinking.
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i didn't read this entire thread but i respect Jason for putting himself in harms way for our country. i've had several family members die for this war and it's really hard to think about sometimes.
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I guess that is open to debate, but yes, I do see the war as being both illegal and immoral. I have heard some compelling arguments to the contrary and that is fine. What I do not appreciate are thoughts that simply because the USA is participating in this war it automatically makes it moral. That to me is not a demonstration of critical thinking.
Where did that appeal to popularity fallacy answer go? Debussey = wondering what you meant by that post >:(
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"an"....sue me Mr. English teach a typo ::)
Sheesh :P
Far from a typo. I think amoral, not immoral, is the word you are looking for, my bellicose friend. :)
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Where did that appeal to popularity fallacy answer go? >:(
It appears that you are correct. ;D
I need to go pay my tuition for this semester now. I will be back online later to say more on your post!
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hahaha there's an argument going on, one side supporting the war and one not??? lol I'm not going to waste my time from page to page to leave a footprint in the debate.
All I have to say is one position is smart, educated, moral and ethically in tune with a reasonable and rational society and the other position is a primitive belief that's proof that we clearly have not evolved beyond superstitious, fearful cave dwelling talking warmongering monkies.
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It appears that you are correct. ;D
I need to go pay my tuition for this semester now. I will be back online later to say more on your post!
Debussey = still wondering what the hell you meant by that post >:( ;D
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Ironically, I have more service with the military and with the UN than almost everyone bashing me in this thread.
I actually agree with your sentiments, there is a time and a place for that discussion and this thread was simply not it!
I will elaborate further if you need me to, however this was about what Jason sacrificed rightly or wrongly and I felt your diatribe was best saved for a more appropriate thread!
Point taken?
ta ta
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I guess that is open to debate, but yes, I do see the war as being both illegal and immoral. I have heard some compelling arguments to the contrary and that is fine. What I do not appreciate are thoughts that simply because the USA is participating in this war it automatically makes it moral. That to me is not a demonstration of critical thinking.
If you were to give the U.S. government the benefit of the doubt that they acted on information which they believed to be true at the time, I still feel it was the wrong thing to do at the time and that a more diplomatic approach should have taken place. In addition, we should have had our energies focused 100% on Afghanistan versus starting something totally new in Iraq. Like you, views from your side can be very compelling with the war for oil etc....but I chose to give my government the benefit of the doubt.
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Point taken?
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No.
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LOL
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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter 8)
Also correct.
The US Revolutionary war would be considered a terrorist action in today's world... As would the French revolution and the Bolshevik revolution as well.
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It should be noted that some people here
1) Still believe we went to war in Iraq primarily over wmd, and
And some people still think we originally went to war was ONLY becuase of oil, which is total BS
2) Still believe the official 911 story, despite half of the 911 commissioners themselves calling it a false whitewash from the white house.
You can give that a rest now Rob, it's getting old!
So we're at all different starting points here.
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No.
Are you his spokesman these days or just the guy that tucks him in at night?
ta ta
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1) Still believe we went to war in Iraq primarily over wmd, and
And some people still think we originally went to war was ONLY becuase of oil, which is total BS
Joe, you're a religious man. Is it morally right to TAKE 80% of Iraqi oil?
The fact that you're okay with SOME of the invasion reason being oil... I don't know how you can justify that. Thou shalt not steal. You're defending theft. I defend it too, because I like the US owning their shit. But you are a very religious person, and that's theft no matter how you cut it!
2) Still believe the official 911 story, despite half of the 911 commissioners themselves calling it a false whitewash from the white house.
You can give that a rest now Rob, it's getting old!
Actually, one of the ten 911 Commissioners came forward LAST WEEK. He was furious that no one told him that 2 of the hijackers spent the year before the attacks living in an FBI safe house. And when it came up in the investigation, the White House themselves froze the investigation so the commissioners never heard it.
Did ya know that?
I suppose if you lost a loved one in the attacks, or cared about American lives, you would care about this.
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Great idea. Let's replace a lost truth with new lies, if it'll make you sleep better. Here, take a Prozac and go back to bed. Your government is under control. Go back to bed, America. Your government is under control.
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Joe, you're a religious man. Is it morally right to TAKE 80% of Iraqi oil?
The fact that you're okay with SOME of the invasion reason being oil... I don't know how you can justify that. Thou shalt not steal. You're defending theft. I defend it too, because I like the US owning their shit. But you are a very religious person, and that's theft no matter how you cut it!
Actually, one of the ten 911 Commissioners came forward LAST WEEK. He was furious that no one told him that 2 of the hijackers spent the year before the attacks living in an FBI safe house. And when it came up in the investigation, the White House themselves froze the investigation so the commissioners never heard it.
Did ya know that?
I suppose if you lost a loved one in the attacks, or cared about American lives, you would care about this.
Damn, I'm a "truther" and I didn't know that. It gets more and more clear as the fog of bullshit breaks.
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Damn, I'm a "truther" and I didn't know that. It gets more and more clear as the fog of bullshit breaks.
I stopped following most of that 6 months ago... but this one grabbed me.
I don't know why people aren't interested in finding out who helped murder 3000 fellow Americans. They think ti's a partisan issue - that a proper investigation of mass murder is somehow "liberal". I wonder if Gore had been in office, and we had learned all of this, if Joe and others would care so little about this.
I'm a 2-time Bush voter. Joe voted for Clinton. I've been a repub a lot longer than he has, and I still am. But I'm not a neocon, I"m a traditional repub.
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Joe, you're a religious man. Is it morally right to TAKE 80% of Iraqi oil?
The fact that you're okay with SOME of the invasion reason being oil... I don't know how you can justify that. Thou shalt not steal. You're defending theft. I defend it too, because I like the US owning their shit. But you are a very religious person, and that's theft no matter how you cut it!
Actually, one of the ten 911 Commissioners came forward LAST WEEK. He was furious that no one told him that 2 of the hijackers spent the year before the attacks living in an FBI safe house. And when it came up in the investigation, the White House themselves froze the investigation so the commissioners never heard it.
Did ya know that?
I suppose if you lost a loved one in the attacks, or cared about American lives, you would care about this.
1. If were taking it, where the hell is it?
2. The original invation wasn't about oil and you know it, they were blowing oil lines so we HAD to protect it, and yes, it's in our best intrest to protect it.
Just think Rob, if the pansy ass enviromentalists (I call them Libs) wouldn't stop us from drilling we have less intrest in oil in the middle east.
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1. If were taking it, where the hell is it?
Dude. The central Iraqi govt signed a hydrocarbon agreement. US oil firms now manage 80% of Iraqi oil field indefinitely, no matter what elections do there. We have the bases there to protect this oil. This isn't a CT theory - this is law now. THat's where the hell it is. We own 4/5 of their fields forever. Google iraqi oil hydrocarbon law.
2. The original invation wasn't about oil and you know it, they were blowing oil lines so we HAD to protect it, and yes, it's in our best intrest to protect it.
Our best interest? Of course! But it's still theft - 'Involuntary sharing"
You can look in the mirror and say it's not, but I'm honest enough to say that yes, it's theft. The iraqi people and their legislature rejected it, but we forced al-maliki to sign the agreement.
I'm all for taking their oil, but I'm man enough to admit I support theft. You're hiding behind that phrase "our best interest". Don't do that. Admit you support the conquering of another nation for their resouece, which belonged to them, not us. Admit it!
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Dude. The central Iraqi govt signed a hydrocarbon agreement. US oil firms now manage 80% of Iraqi oil field indefinitely, no matter what elections do there. We have the bases there to protect this oil. This isn't a CT theory - this is law now. THat's where the hell it is. We own 4/5 of their fields forever. Google iraqi oil hydrocarbon law.
If this is true...then good
Our best interest? Of course! But it's still theft - 'Involuntary sharing"
You can look in the mirror and say it's not, but I'm honest enough to say that yes, it's theft. The iraqi people and their legislature rejected it, but we forced al-maliki to sign the agreement.
I'm all for taking their oil, but I'm man enough to admit I support theft. You're hiding behind that phrase "our best interest". Don't do that. Admit you support the conquering of another nation for their resouece, which belonged to them, not us. Admit it!
How is it theft if we already owned part of it?
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How is it theft if we already owned part of it?
What % of it did we "own", and when did we own it?
As of 2007, the US oil firms took control of all future oil exploration rights for 80% of Iraqi oil, indefinitely. We drill it as we please, we sell it to ourselves at any price we choose.
If I point a gun at you and tell you I'll give you $20 for your SUV, is that theft?
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As if the UN has any credibility. Just because someone was in the military doesn't make then an expert.
more credibility than some chicken hawk who never served but is now oh so brave.
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As I like stated before, the gesture is appreciated. Jason is a hero in my book. He took a great risk with his life and suffered, and I am deeply sorry for his suffering. But the cause for which it was done is immoral, but of course it kept down gas prices and made the lives of Americans better.
Fuck Bluto.. I don't care. However, MattC and Debussey make great arguements, and you guys just can't seem to find any counters without resorting to ad hominem attacks.. I also find it ironic that you guys call Matt a pussy and consider his opinions invalid when he himself has served in the military, while many of you insulting him haven't.
MattC is getting a hard time because you guys can't take politically incorrect statements. Just pull your heads out of your asses for once.
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Are you his spokesman these days or just the guy that tucks him in at night?
ta ta
Debussey could be your spokesman if you bought it a new anal probe.
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Not many people I have encountered have the ability to disect a certain issue and make it as clear as matt and 240 are. What I would do to see one of you two on fox news debateing with O'reilly. Bravo.
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Not many people I have encountered have the ability to disect a certain issue and make it as clear as matt and 240 are. What I would do to see one of you two on fox news debateing with O'reilly. Bravo.
I believe OReilly would mute me. Given equal time, I could show his viewers that 911 involved more than 19 pricks. Of course, he'd say "Popular Mechanics already debunked this", ignoring the fact that PM made things up, said they were shown evidence that didn't exist, and actually claimed to have recovered - and identified - all 10 WTC terrorists DNA from the burning collapsed skyscrapers within 25 hours. Yes, plus their editor was cousin of Homeland security chief Michael chertoff.
And I'd ask him about the ABC report about the hijackers training with the FBI and living with them. And he'd insult me and bring up something about the Holocaust, a common tactic used when people don't want to talk evidence.
After I schooled him on the evidence (as I did with joelocal tonight - he's very quiet now), I'd tell him that I actually SUPPORT the war for oil and bases, because I want a strong USA. I just detest being lied to :)
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I believe OReilly would mute me. Given equal time, I could show his viewers that 911 involved more than 19 pricks. Of course, he'd say "Popular Mechanics already debunked this", ignoring the fact that PM made things up, said they were shown evidence that didn't exist, and actually claimed to have recovered - and identified - all 10 WTC terrorists DNA from the burning collapsed skyscrapers within 25 hours. Yes, plus their editor was cousin of Homeland security chief Michael chertoff.
And I'd ask him about the ABC report about the hijackers training with the FBI and living with them. And he'd insult me and bring up something about the Holocaust, a common tactic used when people don't want to talk evidence.
After I schooled him on the evidence (as I did with joelocal tonight - he's very quiet now), I'd tell him that I actually SUPPORT the war for oil and bases, because I want a strong USA. I just detest being lied to :)
I can appreciate the last two lines here Rob, definitely.
Jason
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I see the debate about Jason's heroic actions rages on.
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Thanks for what you do Jason. If it's not too much to ask and have you remember again, would you mind telling the procedures as to how they saved your arm both in the truck and in the hospital?
Guess you have some "cred" now huh?! ;D They ever offer to do any other kind of reconstruction to you or no? ???
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After I schooled him on the evidence (as I did with joelocal tonight - he's very quiet now), I'd tell him that I actually SUPPORT the war for oil and bases, because I want a strong USA. I just detest being lied to :)
this is incredibly stupid of you 240.
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All I have to say is one position is smart, educated, moral and ethically in tune with a reasonable and rational society and the other position is a primitive belief that's proof that we clearly have not evolved beyond superstitious, fearful cave dwelling talking warmongering monkies.
figgs you are a kool kat
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I see the debate about Jason's heroic actions rages on.
There really is no debate...
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Thanks for what you do Jason. If it's not too much to ask and have you remember again, would you mind telling the procedures as to how they saved your arm both in the truck and in the hospital?
Guess you have some "cred" now huh?! ;D They ever offer to do any other kind of reconstruction to you or no? ???
It will be easier for me to explain to Ed next week. Its a long story and I dont type very fast.
Jason
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It will be easier for me to explain to Ed next week. Its a long story and I dont type very fast.
Jason
You calling into pignation next week? Awesome.
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You calling into pignation next week? Awesome.
Yeah. It should be a good time. I enjoy listening to it.
Jason
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this is incredibly stupid of you 240.
I'm a republican. I understand that controlling Iraqi oil means they cannot disrupt our economy or lives. And bases there mean we can protect against russia or china in the future.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
Do you live in America?
If so your one of those lil loud mouth pussies I bet who talked about how you would smoke basic training huh. In actuality i bet you would have been one of those pussies that helped with the army try stress cards. Wow you should be the happiest that he was man enough to almost give up all the use of his arm, so you could sit on a computer and write shit like that. Pussies who talk big should be the happiest he did what he did. That way you don't have someone kicking in your door and whacking you with a machete and shit. We have our rights because of the people who serve. You need to tell your history teacher son that you need some more school. You are probally hoping Hillarie wins the election huh?
SOrry meltdown.
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Do you live in America?
If so your one of those lil loud mouth pussies I bet who talked about how you would smoke basic training huh. In actuality i bet you would have been one of those pussies that helped with the army try stress cards. Wow you should be the happiest that he was man enough to almost give up all the use of his arm, so you could sit on a computer and write shit like that. Pussies who talk big should be the happiest he did what he did. That way you don't have someone kicking in your door and whacking you with a machete and shit. We have our rights because of the people who serve. You need to tell your history teacher son that you need some more school. You are probally hoping Hillarie wins the election huh?
SOrry meltdown.
Sin, if you read some of the thread, I pointed out several times,MattC is Canadian, his opinion doesn't count. ;)
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If so your one of those lil loud mouth pussies I bet who talked about how you would smoke basic training huh.
haha, did I call this one or what? ;D Monster foreshadowing:
I would prefer a civilized debate. Rather than simply "your [sic] an idiot for not following the status quo" and other comments like that.
And yes, I did promise I would smoke basic training. And as always, I'm a man of my word. ;)
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haha, did I call this one or what? ;D Monster foreshadowing:
And yes, I did promise I would smoke basic training. And as always, I'm a man of my word. ;)
Canada has an ARMY. Holy shit I have heard it all. I bet you pussies rode bikes for basic training. Give me a break your police ride horses and don't carry guns. Has canada ever had to use their army. Minus that time where you guys were used as security for the hannah montana concert..
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Matt c tells the truth. Not 1 person has countered his points.
The whole world knows we are land stealing, lying, greedy, pigs. We are the ultimate Terrorists as America has proven.
Just the way we like it , i guess........
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Canada has an ARMY. Holy shit I have heard it all. I bet you pussies rode bikes for basic training. Give me a break your police ride horses and don't carry guns. Has canada ever had to use their army. Minus that time where you guys were used as security for the hannah montana concert..
ROFL! ;D
The combined air, sea, and land forces of Minnesota are no doubt stronger than the entire forces in Canada! But to be fair, you are exaggerating things a little. I think our basic training is more or less the same, but I'm not sure.
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Let me guess we stole land in germany when we took down hitler. Let me guess we are stealing land in Iraq? Wait I know you are gonna come back with the horrible attempt of saying we are stealing oil and making gazzilions of dollars. Where is it all going. I know Bush is gonna retire with 300 trilion in off shore accounts huh? WoW. Talk to people who have come back, they know that this war was inevitable and was something that needed to happen or at least was going to happen. Land stealing ha-ha...
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whether you like the war or hate the war, one thing cannot be denied...
In 10 years, the US will control 80% of Iraqi oil and we'll still have bases in great spots for defense against Russia and China and anyone else.
America WILL BE stronger as a result of the Iraq war. yeah, it's costing a trillion bucks, but Iraq sits on 50 to 75 trillion worth of saleable oil. In ten years, you'll still be able to fill your SUV and you'll still sleep safe at night, thanks to this war.
It ain't perfect. But if you want to keep living like #1, you need stable resources and protection. Most of us would choose this war over living in a shack and eating from a garden again.
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ROFL! ;D
The combined air, sea, and land forces of Minnesota are no doubt stronger than the entire forces in Canada! But to be fair, you are exaggerating things a little. I think our basic training is more or less the same, but I'm not sure.
Basic was a piece of cake, no question. You are using to great a force to compare with Canada's forces. Idaho has more troops and more fire power in their armed forces then all of Canade. I would be more terrified of your hockey players then your service men.. ha-ha.
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whether you like the war or hate the war, one thing cannot be denied...
In 10 years, the US will control 80% of Iraqi oil and we'll still have bases in great spots for defense against Russia and China and anyone else.
America WILL BE stronger as a result of the Iraq war. yeah, it's costing a trillion bucks, but Iraq sits on 50 to 75 trillion worth of saleable oil. In ten years, you'll still be able to fill your SUV and you'll still sleep safe at night, thanks to this war.
It ain't perfect. But if you want to keep living like #1, you need stable resources and protection. Most of us would choose this war over living in a shack and eating from a garden again.
See, 240 gets it, why don't most others? Or do they get it, but they don't want to accept it ???
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haha, did I call this one or what? ;D Monster foreshadowing:
And yes, I did promise I would smoke basic training. And as always, I'm a man of my word. ;)
the diploma @ right looks so fake. I can certificate thats comic sans font lol wtf
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Basic was a piece of cake, no question. You are using to great a force to compare with Canada's forces. Idaho has more troops and more fire power in their armed forces then all of Canade. I would be more terrified of your hockey players then your service men.. ha-ha.
I would imagine any state in the US has more power than the entire CF. I'm not totally sure about that though so I won't claim it to be a fact or anything.
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See, 240 gets it, why don't most others? Or do they get it, but they don't want to accept it ???
I have an MBA and was a damn history teacher, and it still took a year of whining for me to accept it. So despite all the economic and historical precedents, I was just too immature to accept it.
Now I see that Bush/Cheney will, incredibly, be remembered as an administratino that put us in a very good position for the next few decades. The world isn't big USA fans at the moment, but it was necessary. China is growing, Russia is debt-free and scarey as hell, and they have a treaty with iran to care for one another. They're a beast, and they will be the biggest threat for the next 30 years.
Now we have a nice reserve of oil. Now we have bases there, and we aren't dependent upon keeping them in saudi arabia. Now we ensure Iraqi oil is sold in dollars FOREVER.
Bush and Cheney will be judged very favorably by history. They listed their goals in PNAC before entering office - a new pearl harbor then bases and oil control in arabia - and that is EXACTLY what they did. If we didn't want that, we shouldn't have elected and re-elected them. They told us what they'd do, and they did it. As sad and immoral as it seems, it's necessary, and I'm glad they are able to make calls like that, which I couldn't.
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I have an MBA and was a damn history teacher, and it still took a year of whining for me to accept it. So despite all the economic and historical precedents, I was just too immature to accept it.
So people like MattC are just to immature to....nevermind, he's Canadian his opinion doesn't count! ;D
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See, 240 gets it, why don't most others? Or do they get it, but they don't want to accept it ???
I get the concept, but i see a problem. I think being closer to russia or china will not be-freind them or make things easiar. As we are already admitting....we illegally occupied Iraq for conveince of its assets. This puts russia and china on gaurd to the fact that we are capable of war-mongering at any time, so why niot them!! Sleep with one open.....we have new neighbors!!
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Now we have a nice reserve of oil. Now we have bases there, and we aren't dependent upon keeping them in saudi arabia. Now we ensure Iraqi oil is sold in dollars FOREVER.
That is a lot of ASSumptions. What weak puppet government we install in Iraq-will not last very long. Oil is going to be sold in Euros in the future and our collapsing weak dollar is not something any other countries will want. I doubt we have any troops in Iraq 10 years from now.
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I get the concept, but i see a problem. I think being closer to russia or china will not be-freind them or make things easiar. As we are already admitting....we illegally occupied Iraq for conveince of its assets. This puts russia and china on gaurd to the fact that we are capable of war-mongering at any time, so why niot them!! Sleep with one open.....we have new neighbors!!
all countries do what's best for their people and longterm sustainability - they build up defenses, create relationships, and hoard resources.
RUS and CHI are big trading and strategic partners. But at the same time, they're doing what we are - trying to grab up every advantage they can. All countries (save sweden) do it. We WANT our leaders to be aggressive like this. If we hadn't acquired iraqi oil, iran or china would have.
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So people like MattC are just to immature to....nevermind, he's Canadian his opinion doesn't count! ;D
Not immature...idealist, maybe to the point of naivety. I can accept that.
If in 100 years from now the total loss of life ends up being smaller than it would have been had this not happened, I can appreciate that. I don't like this concept of relative ethics though. I am a strict constitutionalist. I don't like the idea of giving up any of my civil liberties for the sake of "the greater good". Ultimately, Bush is still a very greedy person driven solely by money. He would do anything to make himself and his buddies rich and whether history proves those things to be good things doesn't change the fact that he would kill you and your entire family in a heartbeat if it interfered with his goals.
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That is a lot of ASSumptions. What weak puppet government we install in Iraq-will not last very long. Oil is going to be sold in Euros in the future and our collapsing weak dollar is not something any other countries will want. I doubt we have any troops in Iraq 10 years from now.
Do your homework. We have 14+ permanent bases there. They will be there 50 years from now. Long term infrastructure is in place.
We own 80% of their oil exploration rights, regardless of the party/govt structurein place. And yes, we have the guns to back it up :) We own these rights forever. And this means this oil will be sold in dollars, forever. Other nations will use the dollar if they want to purchase iraqi oil.
Please don't insult me by making "ASSumptions". This was a longterm streategic move, and it worked, and we're all glad it did, whether or not we admit it.
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Do your homework. We have 14+ permanent bases there. They will be there 50 years from now. Long term infrastructure is in place.
See Vietnam, we had permanent bases all over the country ::)
The Iraqi people arent fond of our presence there, no puppet govt will last. Wait until we pull our troops out in the next 24 months..........shit will hit the fan.
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That is a lot of ASSumptions. What weak puppet government we install in Iraq-will not last very long. Oil is going to be sold in Euros in the future and our collapsing weak dollar is not something any other countries will want. I doubt we have any troops in Iraq 10 years from now.
Do you know how much China has invested in our dollar?
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the diploma @ right looks so fake. I can certificate thats comic sans font lol wtf
haha, epic example of the Canadian Force's budget.
I have many, many more military achievement certificates for anyone wishing to see them. ;D
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The Iraqi people arent fond of our presence there, no puppet govt will last. Wait until we pull our troops out in the next 24 months..........shit will hit the fan.
I disagree. Shit has alrady hit the fan there for a long time, and it's nearly under control. There will always be violence. But our bases are isolated and safe. And the Green Zone is about the size of Rhode Island.
We still have what, 50k troops and a ton of bases in S. Korea from the 50s. That's sixty years. And those bases have proven useful for many reasons during that time.
It's like having a girl in every area code. You go uptown, you have a place to get laid. You go downtown, you get her to cook you a steak and a BJ, hit the shower and head to the beach. At the beach, you meet girl #3 and play all night. Having resources (bases or girls) all over the place makes things convenient, makes you ready for more things, and just make you a more powerful nation/happy guy.
We have bitches in Korea, Germany, Iraq, and a score of other places. They're ready if/when we need them :)
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Do you know how much China has invested in our dollar?
When you owe the bank $10,000 - they own you.
When you owe the bank $10,000,000 - you own the damn bank!
China has it in their absolute best interest for the dollar to thrive.
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I disagree. Shit has alrady hit the fan there for a long time, and it's nearly under control. There will always be violence. But our bases are isolated and safe. And the Green Zone is about the size of Rhode Island.
We still have what, 50k troops and a ton of bases in S. Korea from the 50s. That's sixty years. And those bases have proven useful for many reasons during that time.
It's like having a girl in every area code. You go uptown, you have a place to get laid and hit it. You go downtown, you get her to cook you a steak and a BJ, hit the shower and head to the beach. At the beach, you meet girl #3 and play all night. Having resources (bases or girls) all over the place makes things convenient, makes you ready for more things, and just make you a more powerful nation/happy guy.
We have bitches in Korea, Germany, Iraq, and a score of other places. They're ready if/when we need them :)
shit same thing with our bases in germany.
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240 or Bust,
How do you justify the bloodshed and loss of life?
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When you owe the bank $10,000 - they own you.
When you owe the bank $10,000,000 - you own the damn bank!
China has it in their absolute best interest for the dollar to thrive.
I see you are a well educated man when it comes to history and what is going on right now. Excellent post and thanks for making my point even stronger.
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240 or Bust,
How do you justify the bloodshed and loss of life?
War is unavoidable. It always has been and always will be. Would you rather us just allow shit to happen and then it ends up in Canada. Cause lord knows if we didn't do shit you guys would be fucked if something happened to us.
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240 or Bust,
How do you justify the bloodshed and loss of life?
I cannot. It's two different things.
You either have a utilitarian mindset, and all of this is good.
Or you have a moral mindset, and all of this is bad.
I have no interest in judging it nor justifying it nor changing it. It's history unfolding before our eyes, and all we are really doing is 1) enjoying its benefits and 2) bitching about it.
It's fascinating, but it's beyond my silly comprehension.
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Do you know how much China has invested in our dollar?
Its called "Baiting" Remember in the cartoon when tazmanian devil has bugs bunny in a pot of water and is chopping carrots......not time yet.
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Its called "Baiting" Remember in the cartoon when tazmanian devil has bugs bunny in a pot of water and is chopping carrots......not time yet.
Okay keep thinking that. Hey better get all of your assests into cash as well. I heard the government is gonna crash the stock market tomorrow. :-X :-X ;) ;) ;)
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Cause lord knows if we didn't do shit you guys would be fucked if something happened to us.
Regarding Canada's dependence on the USA, truer words have never been spoken!
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240 or Bust,
How do you justify the bloodshed and loss of life?
Future security for our country (and yours via ours) is justification enough.
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Ya know, I was whining last year about all of this, and Stark said something to me.
he said if we weren't doing this now, China would be "finding WMD" in Mexico and Canada in 20 years. They'd stage some BS, blame them, and take over. They'd quietly surround us. Then they would make a move on us. We'd have foreign occupiers. Our land and industry and families destroyed.
he said that nations do this, and you're either eating or being eaten. I laid in bed that night and suddenly it all made sense. THe people leading this country know more about the complexities of keeping 300 mil people living well, than I ever will. And since we're the only remaining superpower, they're sure doing something right.
I realized then - there are 2 mindsets - utilitarian and moral - and they will never be in agreement. I gave up trying to see the "right" thing, and grew the fvck up and started focusing on what keeps us strong.
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Future security for our country (and yours via ours) is justification enough.
That in itself seems selfish, unless you can show that protection of North America is in the overall best interest of the safety and security of the world's future.
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Okay keep thinking that. Hey better get all of your assests into cash as well. I heard the government is gonna crash the stock market tomorrow. :-X :-X ;) ;) ;)
Why would it crash it, dumbass. Itll be around forawhile but you better watch your 401ks cuz theyre losing big money right now......
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Ya know, I was whining last year about all of this, and Stark said something to me.
he said if we weren't doing this now, China would be "finding WMD" in Mexico and Canada in 20 years. They'd stage some BS, blame them, and take over. They'd quietly surround us. Then they would make a move on us. We'd have foreign occupiers. Our land and industry and families destroyed.
he said that nations do this, and you're either eating or being eaten. I laid in bed that night and suddenly it all made sense. THe people leading this country know more about the complexities of keeping 300 mil people living well, than I ever will. And since we're the only remaining superpower, they're sure doing something right.
I realized then - there are 2 mindsets - utilitarian and moral - and they will never be in agreement. I gave up trying to see the "right" thing, and grew the fvck up and started focusing on what keeps us strong.
Are you saying that Matt Canning should get out of Thunder Bay, stop watching CBC for a while and do the same?
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That in itself seems selfish, unless you can show that protection of North America is in the overall best interest of the safety and security of the world's future.
It is selfish, that is what is going to secure our future oil supply and put bases in position to keep those oil supplies safe. It's all about the future survival of our way of life....and that is what is important to me.
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We still have what, 50k troops and a ton of bases in S. Korea from the 50s. That's sixty years. And those bases have proven useful for many reasons during that time.
Comparing Korea to Iraq, very very bad analogy. The Koreans wanted us in Korea, there was a civil war. The Iraqis were invaded by us, for no legitimate reason, they do not want us there.
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I realized then - there are 2 mindsets - utilitarian and moral - and they will never be in agreement. I gave up trying to see the "right" thing, and grew the fvck up and started focusing on what keeps us strong.
240 or Bust and all others, check this out:
After learning about the nature of most people, I think we need a predominantly right wing system which leans to the left in intelligent manners. Not blindly following any one system exactly. This is just how I see it as part of my utilitarian world view.
I'm a utilitarian, so I believe in the system which offers the most utility. Legalizing drugs may be the system or maybe it isn't. All I know is that the current system involving both drugs and guns is not working.
Note: it appears that I am pro-gun control based on that post, and I am absolutely NOT pro-gun control. Guns in the hands of the people is the difference between freedom and slavery.
As a utilitarian I do not feel it is necessarily socially responsible to exclude speaking about steroids in a magazine that promotes it through pictures and training routines.
Yep, as a utilitarian I just don't see it being practical. Nice idea though. Kind of like socialism.
[I am] VERY much so [libertarian], but perhaps more utilitarian. Libertarianism is more morally defensible, but utilitarianism is ultimately more pragmatic and as a result, more moral (in my opinion).
Discuss.
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Comparing Korea to Iraq, very very bad analogy. The Koreans wanted us in Korea, there was a civil war. The Iraqis were invaded by us, for no legitimate reason, they do not want us there.
They must hold guns to the heads of the iraqis that take pictures with the troops and thank them for what they are doing huh?
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haha, yea candy and flowers for us, just like Rummy promised ::)
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240 or Bust and all others, check this out:
Note: it appears that I am pro-gun control based on that post, and I am absolutely NOT pro-gun control. Guns in the hands of the people is the difference between freedom and slavery.
Discuss.
What do you suggest we do Matt C?
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What do you suggest we do Matt C?
Regarding what in particular?
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Regarding what in particular?
I'm not going to blast you right now, I just have to keep telling myself you're Canadian........ ::)
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Regarding what in particular?
For a start, about war heros like Jason Pegg?
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About war heros like Jason Pegg?
First off, if he is truly fighting for freedom, such as freedom of speech, he should by all rights accept people's speech which may not be supportive of him. As for Jason, we are also free to support him or not. I've already stated my opinions on this thread and also already pointed out that I will agree that this thread is not the time or the place to necessarily speak on the topic of war. So while I don't take back anything I said, in hindsight I would have or should have posted it in another thread.
Here is just such a thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157933.0
The problem is, topics don't attract as many posters unless they are in the G&O board!
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First off, if he is truly fighting for freedom, such as freedom of speech, he should by all rights accept people's speech which may not be supportive of him. As for Jason, we are also free to support him or not. I've already stated my opinions on this thread and also already pointed out that I will agree that this thread is not the time or the place to necessarily speak on the topic of war. So while I don't take back anything I said, in hindsight I would have or should have posted it in another thread.
Here is just such a thread:
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=157933.0
The problem is, topics don't attract as many posters unless they are in the G&O board!
This thread got off topic on the first page with you and Bluto......it's now 13 pages long.... ::)
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This thread got off topic on the first page with you and Bluto......it's now 13 pages long.... ::)
True, and in this case it happened to be by Bluto and I, but when do threads like this not get off topic? I've seldom found that threads relating to controversial topics will stay on the original topic.
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True, and in this case it happened to be by Bluto and I, but when do threads like this not get off topic? I've seldom found that threads relating to controversial topics will stay on the original topic.
So you recognize this thread being about a war hero amongst us?
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True, and in this case it happened to be by Bluto and I, but when do threads like this not get off topic? I've seldom found that threads relating to controversial topics will stay on the original topic.
The topic didn't start out controversial, it was to honor the service of Jason Pegg and recognize his wartime injury. You guys had the option of starting another thread against the war, instead you guys insulted the man.
Not cool. If you don't like the war, fine, but don't take it out on the people that are doing what their government asks them to.
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The topic didn't start out controversial, it was to honor the service of Jason Pegg and recognize his wartime injury. You guys had the option of starting another thread against the war, instead you guys insulted the man.
Not cool. If you don't like the war, fine, but don't take it out on the people that are doing what their government asks them to.
Seems like these guys, much like a fat chick staring at a prom dress, can't simply appreciate something, ought to run their mouths simply to hear themselves talking >:(
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So you recognize this thread being about a war hero amongst us?
No. I don't see Jason as being a war hero any more than I would see one of Hitler's soldiers as being a hero (extreme example, but you get the point). Whether the long term result of what Jason did will have profound and positive effects on the safety and security of the world is not something that I can use to come to terms with the USA's actions in Iraq - not at this point in my life. Possibly later if/when I realize that I am naive in my idealism, but I just can't say "the end justifies the means".
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No. I don't see Jason as being a war hero any more than I would see one of Hitler's soldiers as being a hero (extreme example, but you get the point). Whether the long term result of what Jason did will have profound and positive effects on the safety and security of the world is not something that I can use to come to terms with the USA's actions in Iraq - not at this point in my life. Possibly later if/when I realize that I am naive in my idealism, but I just can't say "the end justifies the means".
A couple of word close to the speech I got from a chick I dumped last month.
What is a war hero then "Matt C"?
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No. I don't see Jason as being a war hero any more than I would see one of Hitler's soldiers as being a hero (extreme example, but you get the point). Whether the long term result of what Jason did will have profound and positive effects on the safety and security of the world is not something that I can use to come to terms with the USA's actions in Iraq - not at this point in my life. Possibly later if/when I realize that I am naive in my idealism, but I just can't say "the end justifies the means".
You my retarded mexican to the north....are naive to the "nth" degree.
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A couple of word close to the speech I got from a chick I dumped last month.
What is a war hero then "Matt C"?
Someone who does the same thing that Jason does, but for a morally justifiable cause. And while morality may not be objective, sometimes there are a lot less shades of gray than there are in the Iraq war (also a great name for a gay Florida based rock band).
You my retarded mexican to the north....are naive to the "nth" degree.
Please forgive me for having a hard time coming to terms with the deaths of [very conservatively] 76,000 Iraqis for the sake of "freedom".
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Someone who does the same thing that Jason does, but for a morally justifiable cause. And while morality may not be objective, sometimes there are a lot less shades of gray than there are in the Iraq war (also a great name for a gay Florida based rock band).
Please forgive me for having a hard time coming to terms with the deaths of [very conservatively] 76,000 Iraqis for the sake of "freedom".
Your entire way of life is preserved by men like Jason making the ultimate sacrifice every 20 years or so.
Would you like this to go away?
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Your entire way of life is preserved by men like Jason making the ultimate sacrifice every 20 years or so.
Would you like this to do away?
What happened to the thread you made about me?
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The topic didn't start out controversial, it was to honor the service of Jason Pegg and recognize his wartime injury. You guys had the option of starting another thread against the war, instead you guys insulted the man.
Not cool. If you don't like the war, fine, but don't take it out on the people that are doing what their government asks them to.
Been reading this thread, interesting stuff.
That's pretty vague, Chaos...what their government asks them to. Are you suggesting that Jason's government can never be wrong, in the things they ask him to do? And that soldiers such as Jason can never be morally culpable for their actions, so long as they are just doing what their government has asked them to do? I'm not saying what Jason has done is wrong, I'm just saying that claiming one's actions are necessarily OK because their government has asked them to do it is a very slippery slope.
I'm sure Jason is a great person, and a great soldier, and the country needs men like him to survive, flourish and maintain the status quo, but not every soldier is automatically a hero or a great man, and not every government request of its soldiers is automatically just and honorable.
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what's funny....
those of you saying you wouldn't serve now because you don't agree with the current reason of conflict.....what makes me believe you still would join if there was a good cause?
A warrior never search's for an excuse of "why nots". Guess what....you're not a warrior..... but don't look at it as being a bad thing....just don't get in the way of those who are willing. Otherwise, your comforts of life that you take for granted will be taken away.
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what's funny....
those of you saying you wouldn't serve now because you don't agree with the current reason of conflict.....what makes me believe you still would join if there was a good cause?
A warrior never search's for an excuse of "why nots". Guess what....you're not a warrior..... but don't look at it as being a bad thing....just don't get in the way of those who are willing. Otherwise, your comforts of life that you take for granted will be taken away.
From my vantage point you can be a soldier by picking your causes. I would still be in the military to this day had I believed in what I was working for.
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What happened to the thread you made about me?
check the politics board in general topics
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what's funny....
those of you saying you wouldn't serve now because you don't agree with the current reason of conflict.....what makes me believe you still would join if there was a good cause?
A warrior never search's for an excuse of "why nots". Guess what....you're not a warrior..... but don't look at it as being a bad thing....just don't get in the way of those who are willing. Otherwise, your comforts of life that you take for granted will be taken away.
Ouch. Canada's G.I. Jane just got owned.
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Ouch. Canada's G.I. Jane just got owned.
I just talked to a friend of mine who I did basic training with at the gym today. He served in Afghanistan shortly after I quit. He was not in denial at all about the reasons for the Afghanistan invasion. He knew it was totally based on opium profits. He pointed out that the production has only gone up since our participation there. I was glad to see that at least he understood the true reason why he put his life on the line.
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I just talked to a friend of mine who I did basic training with at the gym today. He served in Afghanistan shortly after I quit. He was not in denial at all about the reasons for the Afghanistan invasion. He knew it was totally based on opium profits. He pointed out that the production has only gone up since our participation there. I was glad to see that at least he understood the true reason why he put his life on the line.
does the US get the profits?
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does the US get the profits?
Yes. We get all of Canadas War Profits in exchange for some of our hippie draft dodgers. Pretty good deal if you ask me.
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Hey argue on another site about the war, man this is tribute Jason Pegg who almost gave the ultimate price for fighting for AMERICA, OUR COUNTY. Regardless, what the war stands in your mind......to each there own...so lets get this back on track and thank Jason Pegg a true hero!!!I thank you Jason for everything you have done for me and my family and friends,and for the "getbig" family, we are truly blessed to have soldiers like you and not QUITTERS like Matt C. (you quit the military, your the bottom of the bucket bro, if you start something for our country then finish it, if we had more people like you we wouldn't have the liberty to do what we are doing right now..Someday some of you should look up the word respect and try it sometime...IF you dont agree, fine..find another thread and make 14 pages of "your uneducated opinions and ignorant posts" and leave this for tribute thread for OUR (excuse me, MY hero Jason Pegg....Just a thought!--so anyways back on track..Thank you Jason!
(Jason its Ben G. (BIG BEN) from Ball State--hope your doing o.k.--hey Chris J...(red head) has my number, call me if you when you can, or write!
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does the US get the profits?
240 or Bust could be more helpful in discussing the dynamics of how laundered drug money sustains the US economy.
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Actually he is a political pawn who doesn't even realize that he himself is a terrorist fighting an immoral and illegal war for MONEY while being brainwashed to believe it is for freedom. Without soldiers, this war could not continue. Soldiers and police officers are hired thugs with guns to protect the assets of the rich.
That said, in his own subjective perspective, he is a hero, fighting for what he (falsely) believes to be a just cause. But the same can be said for Hitler, so that argument is meaningless.
You are officially the getbig douche bag of the year! Hope your proud.
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Thank You Jason Pegg
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i dont know anything more than what i've seen on google video. the talk about how the drug trade gives us some free cash flow which allows our economy to function. if it means our economy doesn't crash, I could care less.
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You are officially the getbig douche bag of the year! Hope your proud.
ROFL! ;D Guys, did I call these responses or what??
I would prefer a civilized debate. Rather than simply "your [sic] an idiot for not following the status quo" and other comments like that.
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ROFL! ;D Guys, did I call these responses or what??
Yeah, Fortunatly their the bottom 20% war supporters. Most of the world agrees with MATT C, so its a sore spot for them.
This whole "We went over there, so they wouldnt come over here" story is BS.
If we were thinking that a WMD story was going to be made up for mexico or canada, then we could have poured the trillions of dollars into our defense and Jason could have been home with his family and 76,000 iraqis would still be above ground.
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Ok, Mr. Canada. Your country wouldn't exist if Americans didn't kick your ancestors out into the snow dunes for disagreeing with our cause (i.e. not wanting to be England's bitch).
The American government doesn't do "what's right", it does "what's right for America". If other countries tag along, they might get a piece of the pie. If not, oh well. Sucks for them.
Jason did what's right for America, according to the American government. If you want to say he's much of a hero as a nazi soldier, then fine, I suppose he is. The one major difference is Jason CHOSE to fight for his country; no one made him. As for the skinny Arabs who flew the planes into WTC, i guess they're heroes in the eyes of whoever they follow, but not to America. Jason is a hero to us, but not to whoever he was fighting. What's so hard to figure out?
The day I see border jumpers trying to sneak into any place other than America, I might change my mind on some issues. But for now, I'm good where i'm at.
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Ok, Mr. Canada. Your country wouldn't exist if Americans didn't kick your ancestors out into the snow dunes for disagreeing with our cause (i.e. not wanting to be England's bitch).
The American government doesn't do "what's right", it does "what's right for America". If other countries tag along, they might get a piece of the pie. If not, oh well. Sucks for them.
Jason did what's right for America, according to the American government. If you want to say he's much of a hero as a nazi soldier, then fine, I suppose he is. The one major difference is Jason CHOSE to fight for his country; no one made him. As for the skinny Arabs who flew the planes into WTC, i guess they're heroes in the eyes of whoever they follow, but not to America. Jason is a hero to us, but not to whoever he was fighting. What's so hard to figure out?
The day I see border jumpers trying to sneak into any place other than America, I might change my mind on some issues. But for now, I'm good where i'm at.
What kind of sad, sick people get ahead in life by torturing and killing other people? That's horrible, but at least you admit it.
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What kind of sad, sick people get ahead in life by torturing and killing other people? That's horrible, but at least you admit it.
Appeal to Popularity fallacy >:(
Spill it bitch. >:(
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What kind of sad, sick people get ahead in life by torturing and killing other people?
Humankind since the beginning of time.
But I guess in your head it is just the US and it started in 1776. Sorry to mess up the worlds Utopia ::)
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Humankind since the beginning of time.
But I guess in your head it is just the US and it started in 1776. Sorry to mess up the worlds Utopia ::)
Incredibly stupid people, incredibly poor people who have no choice, or people from centuries ago have an excuse for this type of behaviour. The USA, with the current status of the world economy and politics do NOT have an excuse to act like savages. >:(
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Incredibly stupid people, incredibly poor people who have no choice, or people from centuries ago have an excuse for this type of behaviour. The USA, with the current status of the world economy and politics do NOT have an excuse to act like savages. >:(
You should be thanking Jason for protecting your punk-ass, Faux-French country.
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You should be thanking Jason for protecting your punk-ass, Faux-French country.
Thank him for promoting this new age predatory capitalism (communism under the guise of free market principles)?
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This thread became illogical and irrational fast.
MattC = holding up the fort. (yet refuses to debate the Appeal to Popularity Fallacy >:( )
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you dont fight for a cause...those who fight do it because they know its the only thing they re good at or because they didnt find something else to do they re good at in life (most of the soldiers).
Thats why you dont choose to become a hero, a hero of war is just a guy good at being a soldier.
There are no "warriors", just people who are better at ruling, owning or killing the others due to the genetics mother nature gave em, and they dont chose it, it's just what they are suposed to do for some reasons, like some people are good at something else.
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you dont fight for a cause...those who fight do it because they know its the only thing they re good at.
Thats why you dont choose to become a hero, a hero of war is just a guy good at being a soldier.
There are no "warriors", just people who are better at ruling, owning or killing the others, and they dont chose it, it's just what they are suposed to do for some reasons, like some people are good at something else.
Debussey suck (dick) at everything. Is there any hope? :)
Ps: That was one incredibly stupid post. Just incredibly dumb.
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does being wounded means one's a hero ?
wounded protecting other people yeah, but a hero is a soldier who either sacrifices himself for others mates, or a soldier who dies after taking numerous ennemies with him.
Just standing here and being hurt by the explosion of a bomb doest make you a hero i think.
Another thing ; its a very common need nowadays to be a "hero", or a "star", the funny is, you find hapiness and personal acomplishment in doing things for yourself, things the whole world will never see or hear about, it's the key of being ok with yourself. And you don't have to be a star or a hero to achieve it. There are others and vastly unexplored ways to feel good with yourself , and while trying to become a hero or astar, most people dont even have any idea of what it is to feel like to be "someone really happy".
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Debussey suck (dick) at everything. Is there any hope? :)
Ps: That was one incredibly stupid post. Just incredibly dumb.
you mean your own answer to my post is incredibly dumb?
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you mean your own answer to my post is incredibly dumb?
No. Your post was just stupid as hell, because it makes implications that makes it completely illogical. The only way to believe the shit you wrote was to abandon all forms of critical evaluation of the implications, kind of believing in a fairy tale like the bible.
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you dont fight for a cause...those who fight do it because they know its the only thing they re good at or because they didnt find something else to do they re good at in life (most of the soldiers).
Thats why you dont choose to become a hero, a hero of war is just a guy good at being a soldier.
There are no "warriors", just people who are better at ruling, owning or killing the others due to the genetics mother nature gave em, and they dont chose it, it's just what they are suposed to do for some reasons, like some people are good at something else.
Exactly. If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. :P That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And that explains my situation personally. I am way too smart to be serving in the military. I DO NOT accept bullshit from people, especially people pushing 50 who dropped out of school in grade 10.
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Exactly. If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. :P That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And that explains my situation personally. I am way too smart to be serving in the military. I DO NOT accept bullshit from people, especially people pushing 50 who dropped out of school in grade 10.
Care to elaborate? BOth on what we should be doing and what caused you to see the light and become so selfish?
Jason
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Care to elaborate? BOth on what we should be doing and what caused you to see the light and become so selfish?
Jason
This is pretty self explanatory:
If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. Tongue That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And not understanding this proves my point.
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Exactly. If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. :P That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And that explains my situation personally. I am way too smart to be serving in the military. I DO NOT accept bullshit from people, especially people pushing 50 who dropped out of school in grade 10.
Matt C, what do you know about career opportunities within the military or police?
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This is pretty self explanatory:
If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. Tongue That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And not understanding this proves my point.
Your poor attempts at dodging the question are laughable. You left out how you were retarded, but are now better. Perhaps missing that solidifies your point.
Jason
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This is pretty self explanatory:
If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. Tongue That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And not understanding this proves my point.
::)Wow, well you do show plenty of heroism and intelligence on this board day in and day out Matt C!
Oh brother. I love it when we have these pseudo-intellectual/ political science experts/ smartest men in the world on here. Always opining (bravely I might add) from behind their mighty keyboard about how everyone else that doesn't share their point of view is a "dumb ass" or "ignorant" blah blah. You read some Daily Kos, Mother Jones and little Chomsky and you lecture everyone on here because you can't possibly be wrong.
I have friends in the Air Force, Army and one in the Marines. They are intelligent, upstanding people who seem to care for their country. Is this the only reason they serve? Not all, one is doing it to pay for college, the other two just want to be in the military. Honestly, who are you ,Matt C, to be stereo typing the millions who have served this country in some capacity or another? You obviously know little about which you speak, whether it be those actually serving or the branches that they serve in. It must be nice having an incredibly narrow and fixed view of people and their vocations.
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::)Wow, well you do show plenty of heroism and intelligence on this board day in and day out Matt C!
Oh brother. I love it when we have these pseudo-intellectual/ political science experts/ smartest men in the world on here. Always opining (bravely I might add) from behind their mighty keyboard about how everyone else that doesn't share their point of view is a "dumb ass" or "ignorant" blah blah. You read some Daily Kos, Mother Jones and little Chomsky and you lecture everyone on here because you can't possibly be wrong.
I have friends in the Air Force, Army and one in the Marines. They are intelligent, upstanding people who seem to care for their country. Is this the only reason they serve? Not all, one is doing it to pay for college, the other two just want to be in the military. Honestly, who are you ,Matt C, to be stereo typing the millions who have served this country in some capacity or another? You obviously know little about which you speak, whether it be those actually serving or the branches that they serve in. It must be nice having an incredibly narrow and fixed view of people and their vocations.
The part in bold is a strawman argument.
I also never denied that there are some smart people in the police and military services, I'm simply pointing out that as far as a trend is concerned, on the average, they are not as smart as a myriad of other professions.
Matt C, what do you know about career opportunities within the military or police?
Lots. What in particular do you want to know? Not everyone enlisted in the military is a military doctor.
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This is why I wish Alex23 never created this thread. Because what happened to Jason Pegg was serious, as he almost died in a warzone. Now, people in the real world would generally not call Jason a savage, war-criminal or an idiot in so many words. Nor would they try to compare him to Hitler or his causes/ thought processes through some incredibly murky and contrived moral relativism, most likely in an attempt to sound hip or "with it". Some would say thanks, shake his hand (whats left of it) by him a beer and move on. But of course we have our much vaunted "GetBig TinyTit Keyboard Warrior Taskforce" that descends on this man and tears the man apart, although I think hes shown he can take it.
Now Matt C, I actually did not know you were in the military. I take it you are Canadian, not a knock, but from your post I take it you were part of the the Canadian military? Did you go to Afghanistan or anywhere else? Your service certainly does lend you credibility, but of course, everyones experience is different I guess.
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"If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. Tongue That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true."
Oh you never denied it, but you sure did waste no time telling our faithful readers that if police and soldiers were smart then they wouldn't be police and soldiers. Good one though.
Ultimately what I'm saying is that if they had career options outside of police and military services, they would probably take them. I found that most of the guys on my basic training had no other choices, and even within the military, they could only join the infantry, rofl. ;D
Care to elaborate? BOth on what we should be doing and what caused you to see the light and become so selfish?
Jason
What I specifically mean is that to get a job as a soldier or a constable does not require a particularly high level of intelligence. I won't say that any monkey can get the job, but intelligence requirements are not very high.
As for selfishness, I think a lot of the actions of the US military are selfish, and Canada just does whatever the US tells them to do. As I said, if I felt I was fighting for a cause which was virtuous, I would never have quit the military.
I would post more of my excellent service record on here, but I will just be bashed for it anyway. It seems that no matter what I may have done in the military isn't helping the people on the other side of the debate realize that I have seen both sides, and decided to formulate my view accordingly. I didn't just come to this point of view through academic research as some on here think.
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Please, supply moar pics of the COMIC SANS FONT DIPLOMA
haha epic canadian failure
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Please, supply moar pics of the COMIC SANS FONT DIPLOMA
haha epic canadian failure
EDIT: just noticed some of these are also comic sans font, rofl. ;D
Here are some, but there are better ones than this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=194045.0;attach=225791;image)
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That was one of those new, "Anti Tribal Tattoo" IEDs I've been hearing about.
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I just talked to a friend of mine who I did basic training with at the gym today. He served in Afghanistan shortly after I quit. He was not in denial at all about the reasons for the Afghanistan invasion. He knew it was totally based on opium profits. He pointed out that the production has only gone up since our participation there. I was glad to see that at least he understood the true reason why he put his life on the line.
You "quit" the military, everyone know that soldiers serve in war for one another, not politics or politicians. You must be pretty popular, to "quit" while your fellow soldiers go over seas. When it comes time to pull the trigger, ultimatly its your decision. I love it how so many guys think the military ORDERS you to kill, thats complete bullshit. You guys are great you think you know every thing about something because you've seen a couple youtube clips.
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For six years, the Bush administration has kept America safe from another terrorist attack, allowing the Democrats to claim that the war on terrorism is a fraud, a "bumper sticker," a sneaky ploy by a power-mad president to create an apocryphal enemy so he could spy on innocent librarians in Wisconsin. And that's the view of the moderate Democrats. The rest of them think Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks.
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Your poor attempts at dodging the question are laughable. You left out how you were retarded, but are now better. Perhaps missing that solidifies your point.
Jason
u did the dirty work for the us gov myt friend...as a contract killer....u didn't defend shit nor did u have to nor was it necessary....the cold truth....your main boss Mr Bush w geaorge...u can trace him back to allistair crowley whom was personally contacted by a messenger of horus to prep thge world for the nwo ....: messege ? erase christianity and I'll come ( horus ) if u understand what allistair did , u will understand what bush is DOING . If u don't know who allistair is or what he looks like , pick up a very femiliar beatles cover and u can spot him bald and ugly in the left upper row . Use the internet , u're a smart guy . ;)
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One can make this generalization about men: they are ungrateful, fickle, liars, and deceivers, they shun danger and are greedy for profit; while you treat them well, they are yours. They would shed their blood for you, risk their property, their lives, their children, so long, as I said above, as danger is remote; but when you are in danger they turn against you. -- Niccolo Machiavelli
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Your poor attempts at dodging the question are laughable. You left out how you were retarded, but are now better. Perhaps missing that solidifies your point.
Jason
Jason, for every Punk Ass Bitch like Matt, there are 100 Men and Women and Children around the Globe that respect you, and know what we are at risk of.
If he wants to see his standard of living reduced to the stone age he should just move to Iran, Afghanistan, or Iraq and not promote things that would drag down the rest of the civilised world to that level.
He owes you a big thankyou for being able to have the freedom to shoot his mouth off.
Seems to me most combat soldiers know and even support this, even if its repulsive.
Id say don't lower yourself to his level.
Its a good thing he was never hurt, because he don't have the integrity and fortitude to recover and move on.
A end-game slide show of his life's crowing accomplishments and experiences will be a yawn no doubt.
Keep on improving w/ the arm, and know you have support from way more than the few critical assholes w/ nothing to do but complain about their unsatisfactory state of affairs in life.
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Good luck with everything Jason.
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This is pretty self explanatory:
If police and soldiers were smart, they wouldn't be police and soldiers to begin with. Tongue That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
And not understanding this proves my point.
Not to be mean or anything but you would be the last person I would want covering my back in any situation after reading your posts. You couldn't be trusted because you are the type that would turn around and run when something went down.. My brother is a cop and I promise you 10000000000% his education blows you out the door and so does his awards and accolades. He has met 3 presidents in his life. Everyone of them invited him. He graduated with a degree and became a cop instead of a pro football player like everyone thought he was going to be. He did this because he wanted to help people who needed help. Guys like you use an excuse because in simple terms you are afraid. It takes a certain person to volunteer to be a cop or in the military. Look at Tillman. It's alright if you are afraid and you want to use this excuse but to say these guys aren't smart is pretty stupid on your part.
That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
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Matt, perhaps if someone crashed a couple of jets into your house, you'd feel differently.
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MattC,
Go express your views about the troops while standing on a bridge overlooking The Highway of Heros the next time a soilder comes home. Bet you can't fly when someone throws you off the bridge.
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Here are some, but there are better ones than this:
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=194045.0;attach=225791;image)
I guess everyone needs a "me" wall ::)
Lisa
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I guess everyone needs a "me" wall ::)
Lisa
Yeah, I don't want to jump on the anti-Matt bandwagon, but that struck me, too. I've got a slew of academic stuff I could decorate a wall with...probably look pretty impressive to some. If I had to guess, they're in a box in my storeroom. I could be wrong tho.
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Dude you were a radio operator; in the rear with the gear.
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Jason, for every Punk Ass Bitch like Matt, there are 100 Men and Women and Children around the Globe that respect you, and know what we are at risk of.
If he wants to see his standard of living reduced to the stone age he should just move to Iran, Afghanistan, or Iraq and not promote things that would drag down the rest of the civilised world to that level.
He owes you a big thankyou for being able to have the freedom to shoot his mouth off.
Seems to me most combat soldiers know and even support this, even if its repulsive.
Id say don't lower yourself to his level.
Its a good thing he was never hurt, because he don't have the integrity and fortitude to recover and move on.
A end-game slide show of his life's crowing accomplishments and experiences will be a yawn no doubt.
Keep on improving w/ the arm, and know you have support from way more than the few critical assholes w/ nothing to do but complain about their unsatisfactory state of affairs in life.
You can add that sevastes queer to this also!
MAtt C you must have been one hell of a smart private! LMFAO the pussified french come bail me out military. I get a kick out of this frenchie talking shit about the US Military when the frENch are always calling on us to back them up when they lose a war!
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Dude you were a radio operator; in the rear with the gear.
Hahah LMAO definitely not infantry. Any US infantry would own you.
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Why would someone "way too smart to serve in the military" have a wall full of plaques showing his accomplishments while in the military ???
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Matt, perhaps if someone crashed a couple of jets into your house, you'd feel differently.
Maybe not so if u knew that THAT someone is your DAD. ;)
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seeing that shit still freaks me out to this day over 6 years later. :o
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You "quit" the military, everyone know that soldiers serve in war for one another, not politics or politicians. You must be pretty popular, to "quit" while your fellow soldiers go over seas. When it comes time to pull the trigger, ultimatly its your decision. I love it how so many guys think the military ORDERS you to kill, thats complete bullshit. You guys are great you think you know every thing about something because you've seen a couple youtube clips.
You don't even know what my military service record is. I have certificates of appreciation from everyone ranging from Majors from my local reserve to high ranking Colonels in base commander positions to former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien. I have months of field training, and when I say months, I mean that by the age of 20, I had spent over two full months of my life field training with the military, 24/7. From my experience, training is a lot harder than actual operations, although there is more of a real danger threat during operations.
I would be happy to help my fellow man or risk my life for something that I loved and truly believed was a genuine cause. Being politically aware, it was impossible for me to stay in the military knowing that an immoral and illegal war was being fought for oil monies at the expense of so many innocent people and their children.
Not to be mean or anything but you would be the last person I would want covering my back in any situation after reading your posts. You couldn't be trusted because you are the type that would turn around and run when something went down.. My brother is a cop and I promise you 10000000000% his education blows you out the door and so does his awards and accolades. He has met 3 presidents in his life. Everyone of them invited him. He graduated with a degree and became a cop instead of a pro football player like everyone thought he was going to be. He did this because he wanted to help people who needed help. Guys like you use an excuse because in simple terms you are afraid. It takes a certain person to volunteer to be a cop or in the military. Look at Tillman. It's alright if you are afraid and you want to use this excuse but to say these guys aren't smart is pretty stupid on your part.
That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
Keith, you have to admit, this is a typical post from you. ;D You are bigging up your brother much like you big up yourself in posts. But to respond, I will point out that there are some soldiers and police officers who do choose to do what they do. From my experience in the military, I would say the majority do it because they have no other options which would pay as well given their level of education. As an example, I cite my friends in the infantry - I have done plenty of infantry courses in my day, three QL4s which are all Corporal qualifiers, including mountain ops and winter warfare. Most of the infantry soldiers I worked with were not qualified for any other trades.
Matt, perhaps if someone crashed a couple of jets into your house, you'd feel differently.
Fair enough, Ed, and perhaps you would feel differently if 76,000 people around you were killed for oil profits.
I guess everyone needs a "me" wall ::)
Lisa
That's in my house, and I still have a box full of awards sitting in my basement - since the walls in two rooms were covered in them and there were so many left over.
Dude you were a radio operator; in the rear with the gear.
I also got top honours on my basic training course which was instructed entirely by infantry with the exception of two medics. Also, half of the troops in my course were in the infantry and I still kicked their butts. ;D The infantry instructors were begging me to transfer, and when I did put in my transfer papers I was informed the next day that I did not qualify due to my poor vision (at the time 20/200, now 20/12 thanks to LASIK). As I pointed out above, I did plenty of training with the infantry, enough to keep my rank even if I had transferred.
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me the moral justification of all the bloodshed from the Iraq war. Saying that we get to use the internet and watch television and swim in heated pools because of the war is not good enough. I would rather sleep on a mattress in a shack than know that my quality of life came from the blood of innocent people and worst of all, their children.
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I guess everyone needs a "me" wall ::)
Lisa
Are you trying to imply that there is something wrong with that? ::)
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Comment: A hero amongst us.
Matt C: I would say that depends if the war is moral or not. Do you think the war is moral?
Comment: The war IS moral!
Matt C: So it's moral to fight a war that resulted in the deaths of (very conservatively) 76,000 innocent people so far?
Comment: ...well, our quality of life is higher now that the US is involved!
Matt C: So the war isn't moral, but you're justifying it with the "means to an end" principle?
Comment: Hey, who are you to talk?! Your [sic] just some keyboard commander who has never left his mother's basement.
Matt C: [posts parts of military record].
Comment: [bashes Matt C's military record]. Well, you never trained in the infantry.
Matt C: [posts proof of years of infantry training].
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Great debate so far. It's really nice to see no remnants of any civilized debate whatsoever that you guys are actually providing me with facts and evidence so that I can discuss my point of view more clearly.
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anyone who thinks this "war" is moral is insane.
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Comment: A hero amongst us.
Matt C: I would say that depends if the war is moral or not. Do you think the war is moral?
Comment: The war IS moral!
Matt C: So it's moral to fight a war that resulted in the deaths of (very conservatively) 76,000 innocent people so far?
Comment: ...well, our quality of life is higher now that the US is involved!
Matt C: So the war isn't moral, but you're justifying it with the "means to an end" principle?
Comment: Hey, who are you to talk?! Your [sic] just some keyboard commander who has never left his mother's basement.
Matt C: [posts parts of military record].
Comment: [bashes Matt C's military record]. Well, you never trained in the infantry.
Matt C: [posts proof of years of infantry training].
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Great debate so far. It's really nice to see no remnants of any civilized debate whatsoever that you guys are actually providing me with facts and evidence so that I can discuss my point of view more clearly.
Debussey = certain that Debussey could somehow find a way to argument for the fact that this war = moral.
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Debussey = certain that Debussey could somehow find a way to argument for the fact that this war = moral.
:P
I have to run again, but I would like you to update me in this thread if you can show that. I was reading a book in the summer on objective morality versus relativism and I was more persuaded by the philosophers who were defending objective morality. Would be very interested in learning more.
PS - as an example, stealing land from Native Americans may have been in our best long term interest, but that hardly made it moral, and hardly made the men doing it heroes.
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Comment: A hero amongst us.
Matt C: I would say that depends if the war is moral or not. Do you think the war is moral?
Comment: The war IS moral!
Matt C: So it's moral to fight a war that resulted in the deaths of (very conservatively) 76,000 innocent people so far?
Comment: ...well, our quality of life is higher now that the US is involved!
Matt C: So the war isn't moral, but you're justifying it with the "means to an end" principle?
Comment: Hey, who are you to talk?! Your [sic] just some keyboard commander who has never left his mother's basement.
Matt C: [posts parts of military record].
Comment: [bashes Matt C's military record]. Well, you never trained in the infantry.
Matt C: [posts proof of years of infantry training].
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Great debate so far. It's really nice to see no remnants of any civilized debate whatsoever that you guys are actually providing me with facts and evidence so that I can discuss my point of view more clearly.
Matt,
You're pre-supposing that YOUR information is accurate. For example:
1. What evidence do you have that 76,000 civilians have been killed?
2. What evidence do you have that all civilians killed were in fact innocent, and not aiding the enemy?
3. What evidence do you have that those civilians have been killed by American soldiers and not by the enemy?
4. What evidence do you have that suicide bombers and their victims are not included in your "civilian" figure?
Answer: You have no evidence. You rely on reports of a media that is biased against the current administration. Civilian casualties are a necessary evil. But you cannot make a moral equivalent between civilian casualties in this war anymore than you can in any other war. In WWII, the Germans blitzed England killing thousands of innocent civilians. When the Royal Air Force bombed Dresden over the course of THREE DAYS, they killed between 30,000-40,000 civilians. Do you condemn the Royal Air Force?
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onlyme,
your brother skipped the NFL draft to be a cop to help people?
IMO, he should have played for 3 years, and saved up enough $ to buy 20 people new homes. Or to invest $ in his community to help the youth. THEN work as a cop. Anytime you have a job where you're going to make 500k a year (or much more), you take it, and do the world lots of good with that kinda $.
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Not to be mean or anything but you would be the last person I would want covering my back in any situation after reading your posts. You couldn't be trusted because you are the type that would turn around and run when something went down.. My brother is a cop and I promise you 10000000000% his education blows you out the door and so does his awards and accolades. He has met 3 presidents in his life. Everyone of them invited him. He graduated with a degree and became a cop instead of a pro football player like everyone thought he was going to be. He did this because he wanted to help people who needed help. Guys like you use an excuse because in simple terms you are afraid. It takes a certain person to volunteer to be a cop or in the military. Look at Tillman. It's alright if you are afraid and you want to use this excuse but to say these guys aren't smart is pretty stupid on your part.
That's not politically correct to point out, but it is nevertheless true.
Another meaningless ad hominem attack..
Thought your fatass was reforming? hahahaha
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Matt,
You're pre-supposing that YOUR information is accurate. For example:
1. What evidence do you have that 76,000 civilians have been killed?
2. What evidence do you have that all civilians killed were in fact innocent, and not aiding the enemy?
3. What evidence do you have that those civilians have been killed by American soldiers and not by the enemy?
4. What evidence do you have that suicide bombers and their victims are not included in your "civilian" figure?
Answer: You have no evidence. You rely on reports of a media that is biased against the current administration. Civilian casualties are a necessary evil. But you cannot make a moral equivalent between civilian casualties in this war anymore than you can in any other war. In WWII, the Germans blitzed England killing thousands of innocent civilians. When the Royal Air Force bombed Dresden over the course of THREE DAYS, they killed between 30,000-40,000 civilians. Do you condemn the Royal Air Force?
Ed. You know better than this. Well respected organizations such as Medicines Sans Frontieres, for instance, have tried to document actual numbers, not the inflated ones by the 'liberals' nor the laughably low-balled ones by the Bush regime. They are truly significant. To say they aren't diminishes us all.
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Ed. You know better than this. Well respected organizations such as Medicines Sans Frontieres, for instance, have tried to document actual numbers, not the inflated ones by the 'liberals' nor the laughably low-balled ones by the Bush regime. They are truly significant. To say they aren't diminishes us all.
Not familiar with 'Medicines Sans Frontieres', but if they're French, they cannot be trusted.
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Not familiar with 'Medicines Sans Frontieres', but if they're French, they cannot be trusted.
Hehe. Rifle droppers, eh? Worse than the Italians? MSF are also, as you can probably tell, better known as Doctors without Borders. I think they got the peace prize a few years ago for their work. Beyond reproach. The baddies know this and frequently impede their work by using them as shields or hostages.
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Are you trying to imply that there is something wrong with that? ::)
Oh no, i think that's awesome for anyone :-X
Lisa
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Oh no, i think that's awesome for anyone :-X
Lisa
The only problem with your post was that you presupposed that your interpretation of the "common norms" are more mature than MattC's, and that you subtily wanted to show this, plus your disgust for him not following your interpretation.
Sad, when the entire foundation behind your reasoning is based on ways of thinking that simply inhibits individual freedom to keep people centered around the average, concieled as "maturity". Unfortunately, nobody with this way of thinking has ever contributed more to society than to keep it flowing around status quo.
Luckily, individuals of higher quality break free from this kind of thinking, because they understand that there is no rational reason for doing so, except conformity. Who cares what the average contemporary losers thinks? People that thinks for themselves = the best of the best.
Thus, your little remark shows little besides the fact that you are pretty average, and wants everybody else (including people of higher quality than yourself, judged by rational indicators) to be so as well. At least then you can feel good for being the "superior interpretator" of the social codec you think = the only one, while you in reality = trapped in a mental paradigm for the average thrash.
:)
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Matt,
You're pre-supposing that YOUR information is accurate. For example:
1. What evidence do you have that 76,000 civilians have been killed?
2. What evidence do you have that all civilians killed were in fact innocent, and not aiding the enemy?
3. What evidence do you have that those civilians have been killed by American soldiers and not by the enemy?
4. What evidence do you have that suicide bombers and their victims are not included in your "civilian" figure?
Answer: You have no evidence. You rely on reports of a media that is biased against the current administration. Civilian casualties are a necessary evil. But you cannot make a moral equivalent between civilian casualties in this war anymore than you can in any other war. In WWII, the Germans blitzed England killing thousands of innocent civilians. When the Royal Air Force bombed Dresden over the course of THREE DAYS, they killed between 30,000-40,000 civilians. Do you condemn the Royal Air Force?
Alright Ed, it's fair that you hold me to a high burden of proof to show you how 76,000+ innocent people have been killed, but how come the same burden of proof doesn't seem to apply to the official story of 9.11? Can you conclusively prove to me (beyond media conjecture) that it was in fact an act of terrorism exactly as described?
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Alright Ed, it's fair that you hold me to a high burden of proof to show you how 76,000+ innocent people have been killed, but how come the same burden of proof doesn't seem to apply to the official story of 9.11? Can you conclusively prove to me (beyond media conjecture) that it was in fact an act of terrorism exactly as described?
The only burden of proof around = proving that Gary Busey = not god. THAT = impossible. Good luck!
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onlyme,
your brother skipped the NFL draft to be a cop to help people?
IMO, he should have played for 3 years, and saved up enough $ to buy 20 people new homes. Or to invest $ in his community to help the youth. THEN work as a cop. Anytime you have a job where you're going to make 500k a year (or much more), you take it, and do the world lots of good with that kinda $.
Absolutely true. Let me be totally clear on this for those ignorant or naive to this fact: money buys EVERYTHING in life. If you have a billionaire, you can pretty well live outside the law! In fact, the only crime you would be convicted of in such a case would be one that resulted in someone else's money being compromised. Bill Gates has done far more for the world than any one single police officer. Money is survival and survival is everything.
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Absolutely true. Let me be totally clear on this for those ignorant or naive to this fact: money buys EVERYTHING in life. If you have a billionaire, you can pretty well live outside the law! In fact, the only crime you would be convicted of in such a case would be one that resulted in someone else's money being compromised. Bill Gates has done far more for the world than any one single police officer. Money is survival and survival is everything.
Many people thinks money = bad. How stupid.
Money = one of mankinds greatest inventions. Without money, civilization would be back to the exchange economy, and quickly go back to the stone age.
Money = great.
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Many people thinks money = bad. How stupid.
Money = one of mankinds greatest inventions. Without money, civilization would be back to the exchange economy, and quickly go back to the stone age.
Money = great.
Money is everything! It means so much. I used to feel guilty for holding these sentiments. Now there is no chance that I ever would. I feel no guilt at all for that. Money absolutely makes the world go 'round. If money was irrelevant we wouldn't be fighting this war to begin with.
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Money is everything! It means so much. I used to feel guilty for holding these sentiments. Now there is no chance that I ever would. I feel no guilt at all for that. Money absolutely makes the world go 'round. If money was irrelevant we wouldn't be fighting this war to begin with.
Debussey cringes when somebody says "money is the root to all evil".
The reality is that if money did not exists, the same people would be living in the stone age with a huge risk of being killed in tribal warfare or something.
People should thank the idea of money for what it has given mankind. We live in the safest times in history, with technology and unlimited food supply. Without the concept of money, this would never ever happen. We'd still be in the stone age.
Without money, we'd still be getting killed by animals and people like Fred Flintstone.
Thinking money = bad is an irrational stupid life destroying idea.
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The fact is the people who are most angry at Blutos' comments are the same type who usually make hate comments and either call for Muslim civilians to be killed or make comments suggesting they have no sympathy when Muslim civilians are killed. While I would not make Bluto's comments on here, I think he is just giving you a taste of your own medicine.
And I think many on this thread are misunderstanding any opposition to US foreign policy as a direct and personal attack on Jason Pegg.
That said, I've only read the first page of this thread, came across it too late and dont want to read 15 more pages
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..... Let me be totally clear on this for those ignorant or naive to this fact: money buys EVERYTHING in life.
You are a stupid little boy,...
If by some accident you should suddenly come into money, you will learn, in not so long, that money is far from everything.
I support your right to free speech as long as it harms nobody else, even if you are wrong.
In fact why dont you go out to the nearest bars and talk loud about your fucked up beliefs instead of from the safety of your keyboard.
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You are a stupid little boy,...
Do you think you = smarter?
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Oh and one more thing, to the people who are getting upset that people are discussing the war in a thread that is supposed to be a tribute to Jason Pegg, ask yourself if you would reply and discuss the war itself if an Afghan made a thread here paying tribute to a fellow Afghan who nearly lost his life in an attack?
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woah guys...
50% of the 911 commissioners have called for a new investigation. One of them called it a 'whitewash'. One announced 2 weeks ago that he was outraged the whitehouse stopped the FBI from investigating ties between the hijackers and their FBI informant LANDLORD. And one of them went on CNN and mentioned the missile that hit the pentagon.
So please, don't bother defending the 911 Commission findings - because they readily admit it is flawed and that new information has come to light requiring a new investigation. You're trying to sell a recalled car here, fellahs.
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woah guys...
50% of the 911 commissioners have called for a new investigation. One of them called it a 'whitewash'. One announced 2 weeks ago that he was outraged the whitehouse stopped the FBI from investigating ties between the hijackers and their FBI informant LANDLORD. And one of them went on CNN and mentioned the missile that hit the pentagon.
So please, don't bother defending the 911 Commission findings - because they readily admit it is flawed and that new information has come to light requiring a new investigation. You're trying to sell a recalled car here, fellahs.
Don't forget that the Twin Towers are still standing. They just painted the towers camouflage like the Predator and only Arnold can see them!
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Don't forget that the Twin Towers are still standing. They just painted the towers camouflage like the Predator and only Arnold can see them!
Why is the Block being replaced?
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Still ???
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Don't forget that the Twin Towers are still standing. They just painted the towers camouflage like the Predator and only Arnold can see them!
:)
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Why is the Block being replaced?
We thought Gary Busey could do a better job. And is there really a better nickname than "Scary Abusee"?
Johnny Utah
Attended Law School on a Football Scholarship
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We thought Gary Busey could do a better job. And is there really a better nickname than "Scary Abusee"?
Johnny Utah
Attended Law School on a Football Scholarship
If you got god on the show, I'd be your life long faithful servant for free! I'd follow you anywhere!!!! :o
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Many people thinks money = bad. How stupid.
Money = one of mankinds greatest inventions. Without money, civilization would be back to the exchange economy, and quickly go back to the stone age.
Money = great.
If you had made an analogy to food then I'm sure Donutme would have understood and spared us of another tedious story.
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If you had made an analogy to food then I'm sure Donutme would have understood and spared us of another tedious story.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Don't forget that the Twin Towers are still standing. They just painted the towers camouflage like the Predator and only Arnold can see them!
come on ed... we're talking about 3000 dead people here.
the people who investigated it have come fwd and said they didn't get relevant info, and some of the coverup came directly from the white house.
You know the law better than I do... if 5 of the 10 cops that investigated a mass murder scene came fwd with statements they believed there was something amiss with the evidence, would the state re-evaluate the case?
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come on ed... we're talking about 3000 dead people here.
the people who investigated it have come fwd and said they didn't get relevant info, and some of the coverup came directly from the white house.
You know the law better than I do... if 5 of the 10 cops that investigated a mass murder scene came fwd with statements they believed there was something amiss with the evidence, would the state re-evaluate the case?
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why the eye roll? 200 people jumped off the roof/windows to their death that day. If there are more than 19 people responsible, don't you want a proper investigation?
3000 dead americans. doesn't that mean anything to you?
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onlyme,
your brother skipped the NFL draft to be a cop to help people?
IMO, he should have played for 3 years, and saved up enough $ to buy 20 people new homes. Or to invest $ in his community to help the youth. THEN work as a cop. Anytime you have a job where you're going to make 500k a year (or much more), you take it, and do the world lots of good with that kinda $.
My brother is 6'6" and in college weighed 330 and ran a 40 in 5.0 with fullpads. He had numerous scholrships but for some odd reason chose Humboldt State. He got a full ride. I think he got a degree in drafting. After that stupid struck him and he became a cop. I am not "bigging" my brother up as Matt says. I do not get along with him and have not sen or talked to him since he got married in 1997. His wife made him invite me. If that didn't happen then it would be well over 20 years since I saw. My brother inherited the bulk of my mom and dads estate. The last thing he needs is money. He was abig and strong fucker but did not have the killer instinct to play pro ball seriously so he didn't really try. His size alone got him everything. This was back in 1977 or so. There were not many 300 pound football players. And also there were none if any $500K salaries back in 1977.
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My brother is 6'6" and in college weighed 330 and ran a 40 in 5.0 with fullpads. He had numerous scholrships but for some odd reason chose Humboldt State. He got a full ride. I think he got a degree in drafting. After that stupid struck him and he became a cop. I am not "bigging" my brother up as Matt says. I do not get along with him and have not sen or talked to him since he got married in 1997. His wife made him invite me. If that didn't happen then it would be well over 20 years since I saw. My brother inherited the bulk of my mom and dads estate. The last thing he needs is money. He was abig and strong fucker but did not have the killer instinct to play pro ball seriously so he didn't really try. His size alone got him everything. This was back in 1977 or so. There were not many 300 pound football players. And also there were none if any $500K salaries back in 1977.
I thought it was Arnold who told your brother to invite you to the wedding, because he and Sly wanted to talk to you about making up with Chuck Liddell after you knocked him out in a barfight for hitting on your then girlfriend, Carmen Electra.
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You are a stupid little boy,...
If by some accident you should suddenly come into money, you will learn, in not so long, that money is far from everything.
I support your right to free speech as long as it harms nobody else, even if you are wrong.
In fact why dont you go out to the nearest bars and talk loud about your fucked up beliefs instead of from the safety of your keyboard.
I talk about my beliefs all the time in any number of contexts. Just recently I told another friend of mine who will be going to Afghanistan this year that I neither support the war nor support the troops going to fight the war and explained to him why I found it to be inherently immoral. He will be quitting the military after doing his tour and only wanted to get some experience overseas. Numerous of my ex-colleagues agree with me. That said, foreign intervention has done some good for the people of Afghanistan, for example, in terms of women's rights
Let me explain more regarding money: money is a necessary but not sufficient condition for happiness. In other words, you can be a billionaire and still suffer from depression. What I'm saying is that happiness is a lot harder and sometimes impossible to achieve completely independent of money. If you really believe otherwise, send me all of your money and tell me whether or not your subjective stress and happiness levels remain the same.
I am a miser and for my age I am doing very well for myself. I'm still able to continue with graduate studies on full scholarship and have money left over so that being a student is actually employment for me. I will keep going until I get my Ph.D unless I get married and start a family. Money to me is freedom to do what you want, and for me that is staying in school for as long as possible. For others, goals will vary. In any event, I truly believe money is extremely important.
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Jason, we will never know the extent of the personal sacrifices you've made and how many people you've helped, but you have definitely made a positive difference in many people's lives here and over there. Hope you heal, recover and feel better soon.
Even if one believes Iraq was better off under Saddam Hussein's leadership, it is not consistent to blame american troops for casualities in Iraq while simultaneously ignoring Hussein's 20 year regime of genocide, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and torture. In those 20 years, 5% of the men, women and children of Iraq were killed or mysteriously disappeared never to be seen again after being arrested. Since the arrival of american troops, hundreds of thousands of the disappeared have been found in Iraq--in mass graves. No american is happy that our troops are over there and wish they were at home (for a variety of reasons), but the overall decrease in Iraqi casualities now in comparison to what has occurred in the past several decades needs to be considered before blaming american military of making the situation over there worse.
Iraq suffered more than a million violent deaths under Saddam Hussein's regime which averages about 50,000 deaths a year for 20 years in the population of 25 million. In the first two years the Americans had been fighting in Iraq, 13,650 Iraqis were killed...many of them by terrorist attacks by their own countrymen. Others by military action. That averaged out at 6,825 deaths per year in a population of 25 million. To ignore that american involvement in Iraq dropped the rate of violent deaths from 50,000 a year under Saddam Hussein to 6,825 a year with the Americans in Baghdad is to ignore that the total number of deaths from violence had been REDUCED in Iraq by 87%. The current figure mentioned here for the number of Iraqi casualitites would change that 87% to a degree, but in no way would it begin to compete or compare to Saddam's "house cleaning" record.
I actually spoke to a few hardcore liberals who were angered at Saddam's hanging. Honestly, try thinking of what he did during his reign before feeling sorry for the guy! I don't believe that the death penalty is effective but I didn't lose any sleep over Saddam being hung!
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The gov't can stage the world trade center bombings but can't stage finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How hard would that be to do? I'm surprised they have'nt done it just to shut the nutjobs up.
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911 is a inside job, a excuse to start a war against some mid east country's just for OIL ..
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911 is a inside job, a excuse to start a war against some mid east country's just for OIL ..
It's always important to follow the money during a time of war. You shouldn't discount that as being motivation to start a war.
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It's always important to follow the money during a time of war. You shouldn't discount that as being motivation to start a war.
its the reality we call it imperialism
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seeing that shit still freaks me out to this day over 6 years later. :o
As it should...it was a masonic ritual performed on YOU by YOUR government involving a stargate..by the way : that's the closest we've been to " heaven "
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It's always important to follow the money during a time of war. You shouldn't discount that as being motivation to start a war.
It's all the Federal Reserve system. Since 1913, the Fed has been the root cause of all of our wars. Think of this, a banking cartel that is the central source of currency for a thriving industrial nation, run by the wealthiest names to rise from the smog of the industrial revolution, people with all the money in the world and had become motivated by power.
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Wrap your mind around this: When America goes to war, it's forced to lend money from the Fed, with interest! And understand that the Fed is a PRIVATE company! It's not even exactly one with the government and is, in fact, unconstitutional since it's stated that our government should not have a central bank! hahahaha Look at all they've been getting away with for a whole century! They laugh at us in their sleep, knowing how manipulative we are. We're like a giant tank of water to them. Waves crash and settle but if they rise high enough, they'll crash right through the glass. But they try to play God, they try to decide when and how the water settles. They try to control nature and destiny.
An early childhood memory of mine is Puff the Magic Dragon. I saw this scene in the movie then, but now I understand it completely...
(Talking about the living black couds that cover the ''sea of the starless skies'') "They're jealous! They're jealous of the stars. You see, the stars can fly a thousand, thousand times higher than those clouds can even image. And so, like all small spirited and stupid beings, they believe that they can deny beauty by hiding it."
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The only problem with your post was that you presupposed that your interpretation of the "common norms" are more mature than MattC's, and that you subtily wanted to show this, plus your disgust for him not following your interpretation.
Sad, when the entire foundation behind your reasoning is based on ways of thinking that simply inhibits individual freedom to keep people centered around the average, concieled as "maturity". Unfortunately, nobody with this way of thinking has ever contributed more to society than to keep it flowing around status quo.
Luckily, individuals of higher quality break free from this kind of thinking, because they understand that there is no rational reason for doing so, except conformity. Who cares what the average contemporary losers thinks? People that thinks for themselves = the best of the best.
Thus, your little remark shows little besides the fact that you are pretty average, and wants everybody else (including people of higher quality than yourself, judged by rational indicators) to be so as well. At least then you can feel good for being the "superior interpretator" of the social codec you think = the only one, while you in reality = trapped in a mental paradigm for the average thrash.
:)
You know Dubussey honey, i am sure everything you wrote there is really important and makes a ton of sense to all...except to me at this point...i'm at work waiting for the local 20 somethings to finish their 9% beers and i'm tired.
I will say i like Matt and to be honset my hubby who is presently in the military has a wall that has pics of his "military" grandfathers plus one of his 4 Shellback certificates (or whatever it's called) so i know all about a "me" wall.
kiss kiss
Lisa
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Thanks for your service Jason! A true hero!
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The only problem with your post was that you presupposed that your interpretation of the "common norms" are more mature than MattC's, and that you subtily wanted to show this, plus your disgust for him not following your interpretation.
Sad, when the entire foundation behind your reasoning is based on ways of thinking that simply inhibits individual freedom to keep people centered around the average, concieled as "maturity". Unfortunately, nobody with this way of thinking has ever contributed more to society than to keep it flowing around status quo.
Luckily, individuals of higher quality break free from this kind of thinking, because they understand that there is no rational reason for doing so, except conformity. Who cares what the average contemporary losers thinks? People that thinks for themselves = the best of the best.
Thus, your little remark shows little besides the fact that you are pretty average, and wants everybody else (including people of higher quality than yourself, judged by rational indicators) to be so as well. At least then you can feel good for being the "superior interpretator" of the social codec you think = the only one, while you in reality = trapped in a mental paradigm for the average thrash.
:)
Brilliant post. I suggest it be read again and again until the message sinks in.
This one's for DF.
"Question your beliefs, your reason for existence. Question your will. What will become of you in the end? This is necessary for all of humanity, but most of us do not seek out an answer. We merely continue on, conforming to a society that creates a perpetual state of depression and increases the tendency towards suicide.
Ask yourself, what are you doing it for? Take an honest look at the pillars of this civilization, media destroys truth, schools destroy knowledge, religions destroy spirituality, and governments destroy freedom. Ponder the meaning of Your Own existence and what YOU could become with your own self will. Not the dogma of greed stricken establishments. Running along the path of capital gain to be on TV and show how much money they have, rather than pronounce themselves true to their instincts and true to their hearts."
-Aleister Crowley
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SEMPER FI!!!!!!!!!
USMC
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Brilliant post. I suggest it be read again and again until the message sinks in.
This one's for DF.
"Question your beliefs, your reason for existence. Question your will. What will become of you in the end? This is necessary for all of humanity, but most of us do not seek out an answer. We merely continue on, conforming to a society that creates a perpetual state of depression and increases the tendency towards suicide.
Ask yourself, what are you doing it for? Take an honest look at the pillars of this civilization, media destroys truth, schools destroy knowledge, religions destroy spirituality, and governments destroy freedom. Ponder the meaning of Your Own existence and what YOU could become with your own self will. Not the dogma of greed stricken establishments. Running along the path of capital gain to be on TV and show how much money they have, rather than pronounce themselves true to their instincts and true to their hearts."
-Aleister Crowley
Great great quote! :D
You know Dubussey honey, i am sure everything you wrote there is really important and makes a ton of sense to all...except to me at this point...i'm at work waiting for the local 20 somethings to finish their 9% beers and i'm tired.
I will say i like Matt and to be honset my hubby who is presently in the military has a wall that has pics of his "military" grandfathers plus one of his 4 Shellback certificates (or whatever it's called) so i know all about a "me" wall.
kiss kiss
Lisa
Stick to serving beers and cleaning floors sweetpie.
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Stick to serving beers and cleaning floors sweetpie.
If only it was you i was serving ;)
Lisa
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If only it was you i was serving ;)
Lisa
Even better: You could be serving Debusseys mentor and personal god, Gary Busey.
Think of the great pride you would feel when serving GodGaryBusey, and having him giving you 10 dollars in tips. You would frame the 10 dollar bill on your "me" wall as the greatest moment in your entire life.
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Even better: You could be serving Debusseys mentor and personal god, Gary Busey.
Think of the great pride you would feel when serving GodGaryBusey, and having him giving you 10 dollars in tips. You would frame the 10 dollar bill on your "me" wall as the greatest moment in your entire life.
I actually saw him here in the town we live...he was filming a movie...anyhow, he was nice enough but a bit odd.
As for my "me" wall...don't have one as of yet but i'm thinkin' about it after all of this :-*
Lisa
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I actually saw him here in the town we live...he was filming a movie...anyhow, he was nice enough but a bit odd.
As for my "me" wall...don't have one as of yet but i'm thinkin' about it after all of this :-*
Lisa
;D
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
ABSOLUTELY.
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he's from Canada, look, what Matt says about the war being a farce is the TRUTH but under no circumstances should a man and hero like Jason ever be shown anything other than the utmost of respect.
Agreed... It's not the message, it's the delivery.
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epic "no one has replied to my post in 10 seconds so ill spam it everywhere"
Snakecharmer
Jason
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epic "no one has replied to my post in 10 seconds so ill spam it everywhere"
Snakecharmer
Jason
Sevastase, don't you have some Transylvanian cadavers to scanvenge since you've heard it could be anabolic to go necrophilia on them?
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epic "no one has replied to my post in 10 seconds so ill spam it everywhere"
Snakecharmer
Jason
did u get high on shooting people in irak ?....did u manage to come at peace with yourself ?..are u self medicating your post war depression ?
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did u get high on shooting people in irak ?....did u manage to come at peace with yourself ?..are u self medicating your post war depression ?
Truth be told, it is iraQ, not iraK. Idiot.
Jason
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did u get high on shooting people in irak ?....did u manage to come at peace with yourself ?..are u self medicating your post war depression ?
no idea why it did it but that little shit stain of a comment really pissed me off..
since you seem to be the expert..why don't you tell us how you've dealt with your depression of being outed as a closet queer, attention whore, and all around e-bitch of late here home slice? If the rest of you were as big as your mouth and ego, you'd be on the olympia stage getting your dicks for free instead of posting self glorified "home growns" on a bodybuilding board for your next ass stuffing?!
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no idea why it did it but that little shit stain of a comment really pissed me off..
since you seem to be the expert..why don't you tell us how you've dealt with your depression of being outed as a closet queer, attention whore, and all around e-bitch of late here home slice? If the rest of you were as big as your mouth and ego, you'd be on the olympia stage getting your dicks for free instead of posting self glorified "home growns" on a bodybuilding board for your next ass stuffing?!
pwnd. She wont ever recover.
Jason
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Holy smokes, JP was an awesome bro in my book already but seein' those pics in the first post of the thread...shit bro, you're a true American hero. 8)
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Truth be told, it is iraQ, not iraK. Idiot.
Jason
the rest of the world spells it irak u criminal for hire....lowlife
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no idea why it did it but that little shit stain of a comment really pissed me off..
since you seem to be the expert..why don't you tell us how you've dealt with your depression of being outed as a closet queer, attention whore, and all around e-bitch of late here home slice? If the rest of you were as big as your mouth and ego, you'd be on the olympia stage getting your dicks for free instead of posting self glorified "home growns" on a bodybuilding board for your next ass stuffing?!
when u will stop calling glorified shruggs as being bent over rows and start taking off your shirt to amaze us with the results of your labour...only then u can speak to me tarzan....u are like a hairy ballerina with a fragile ego in search for self validation on youtube.....basically an all around bottom ;)
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when u will stop calling glorified shruggs as being bent over rows and start taking off your shirt to amaze us with the results of your labour...only then u can speak to me tarzan....u are like a hairy ballerina with a fragile ego in search for self validation on youtube.....basically an all around bottom ;)
settle down sev...do we all need to kick ur ass to shut u the fuck up
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settle down sev...do we all need to kick ur ass to shut u the fuck up
bitch...in real life u would be pissing while squatting in front of me like a female . U are of no relevance whatsoever just like the voghelpohl wannabe jason peggy .
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the rest of the world spells it irak u criminal for hire....lowlife
Really? IraQis dont. Nice 3rd world living douchetase.
Jason
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bitch...in real life u would be pissing while squatting in front of me like a female . U are of no relevance whatsoever just like the voghelpohl wannabe jason peggy .
STFU bitch.
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the rest of the world spells it irak u criminal for hire....lowlife
Irak is definitely the wrong spelling, if u knew arabic you would know this to be true ;)
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Really? IraQis dont. Nice 3rd world living douchetase.
Jason
I'd guess he's just too busy being a pro-tennis player, professional trainer, semi-pro bodybuilder, gay porn fluffer to learn to spell.
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STFU bitch.
cpt doughnut to the rescue hahahhahahaa
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I see sevestastetsate stepped up to take the ass pounding of a lifetime today.
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I see sevestastetsate stepped up to take the ass pounding of a lifetime today.
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I see sevestastetsate stepped up to take the ass pounding of a lifetime today.
Umm.. Doesn't he do that every day?
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Umm.. Doesn't he do that every day?
Are you saying SpermaTaste = being raped hard in the anus by big cocks every day Camel Jockey?
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Are you saying SpermaTaste = being raped hard in the anus by big cocks every day Camel Jockey?
its his drug of choice; entirely a personal decision that you need not concern yourself with Mr. DickFace >:(
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I want your Dick in my Face >:(
You fucking pervert ;D
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You fucking pervert ;D
you modifying a post to fit your desire = you are the pervert ;)
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Sevastese is like the european version of Mr. Slave from South Park
(http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/82/0000074482/97/imgbde164fc674s6k.jpeg)
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Sevastese is like the european version of Mr. Slave from South Park
(http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/82/0000074482/97/imgbde164fc674s6k.jpeg)
he reminds me more of teh indian shadow than anyone else ;D
Both meltdown and get owned on a daily basis
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you modifying a post to fit your desire = you are the pervert ;)
YOu = the one starting with the dick innuendo. "DickFace" just screams your desire: "pleasestickyourDickinmyFace
Pervo >:(
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IraQ or IraK?
it's actually neither. It's a sound unique to arabic languages.
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IraQ or IraK?
it's actually neither. It's a sound unique to arabic languages.
Youre right. Ive never been and would obviously have absolutely no fucking idea how to spell a 4 letter word. Thanks!
Jason
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I took a little bit of arabic. some of those sounds make it sound like you're gargling...the alphabet is interesting though, most of it loops together in words
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I hope sevestes gets shot in the face.