I was a 100% natural bodybuilder for 15yrs, plus I judged over 200 bodybuilding shows in 5 diffrent organizations.So I know what a person on anabolics looks like.
I think Kyioshi Moody, just might be natural.I got up to 250lbs naturally, and competed at around 216- 220lbs on stage.
I been training 22 years and like I said before I have judged over 200 bodybuilding and fitness contests.So I know what a body on drugs looks like.I think Kyioshi Moody, has a body that is obtainable without drugs.He is I think African American, and Japanese ,which would give him round muscvle bellies, and a fast metabolism.He competes as a light heavyweight, so he is not huge.He just has a small bone structure, which makes him appear larger then he really is.
Just because a person has a good physique does not mean they do drugs.I have known several African American Friends of mine who barley touched weighs, and had very musuclar bodies.
People like Kyioshi Moody and Michael Locket, were those kids you used to see in school, when you were growing up who never worked out but were just natural muscular.We all have seen them
Maybe he got the gyno from eating too many wheat products. ???;D
Maybe he got the gyno from eating too many wheat products. ???;D
In my opinion he might natural.Kiyoshi is half Japense, which would give him a very fast metabolism.My best friend is half Japense, and he is around 180lbs at 6-7.5% bodyfat year round and he eat anything he wants.He is muscular, but is as lean as crap.Kiyoshi Moody, is African American, and Japense, which would give him a very fast metabolism, small bones, and round muscle bellies.The guy isnt very big, he only competes at 195lbs, which isnt that impressive.You're dumb.
If you know what to look for, you can tell if a person has done gear, and in my opinion I think Kiyoshi Moody is Clean.
I know you guys are comparing hyim to Kevin Leverone, because he said he eats up for a show, but Kevin Leverone was also 250lbs, and alot leaner.There is literally no comparison.
In my opinion he might natural.Kiyoshi is half Japense, which would give him a very fast metabolism.My best friend is half Japense, and he is around 180lbs at 6-7.5% bodyfat year round and he eat anything he wants.He is muscular, but is as lean as crap.Kiyoshi Moody, is African American, and Japense, which would give him a very fast metabolism, small bones, and round muscle bellies.The guy isnt very big, he only competes at 195lbs, which isnt that impressive.::) ::)
If you know what to look for, you can tell if a person has done gear, and in my opinion I think Kiyoshi Moody is Clean.
I know you guys are comparing hyim to Kevin Leverone, because he said he eats up for a show, but Kevin Leverone was also 250lbs, and alot leaner.There is literally no comparison.
You're dumb.
That is like Pee Wee Herman calling Einstein dumb ;DIsn't it time for your hourly fest of fried chicken and chips you FAT FUCKIN POS
I am not dumb, I am just telling it like it is.Kiyoshi Moody, has a decent build, but you put him up against the light heavy weights at the Mr USA, and he would get killed.Why, because he is not on anabolics.He doesnt have a drug body.One of the things that make me think he is natural is his legs are a lil behind.Its hard to build really big legs naturally unless your a total freakhe has gyno, are you blind or just really stupid
Isn't it time for your hourly fest of fried chicken and chips you FAT FUCKIN POS
he has gyno, are you blind or just really stupid
;D
Your telling me this looks like a body on drugs? lol
First of all I have been on both sides of the fence, so I know what to look for.
Anyobody who has done a cycle will tell you that when you do your first cycle one of the first things that happens is your traps get alot thicker and more dense.Kiyoshi doesnt have dense traps, he has traps , Like I did when I was natural.
Anyone else think Getitonny sounds a lot like gh?
Your telling me this looks like a body on drugs? lolAre you fucking with me, Getitonny :D
First of all I have been on both sides of the fence, so I know what to look for.
Anyobody who has done a cycle will tell you that when you do your first cycle one of the first things that happens is your traps get alot thicker and more dense.Kiyoshi doesnt have dense traps, he has traps , Like I did when I was natural.
Kiyoshi Moody doesnt have gyno in those pics.Trust me gyno is alot worse
Are you kidding? He has BAD gyno!GETITON has a hardon for the guy, its useless, all he sees is the guys cock.
Look again, it's plain to see.
GETITON has a hardon for the guy, its useless, all he sees is the guys cock.
Here is a pic from 1999, the year I won the Mr Natural World.I was 100% natural, I passed a polygraph test, and a Urine test.I weighed arouind 218lbs here, I dieted dwon from 250lbs.pics look natty although shoulder looks suspect, synthol?
Since you guys asked for it here you go.
pics look natty although shoulder looks suspect, synthol?
He is twice as big as you can even dream of ;DJV at his all-time best
JV at his all-time best
The dude has gyno. It ain't that bad. Dude is not drug free. Dude has a weird head. Thank you.Truth has been spoken
Truth has been spoken
I give up,all these experts on getbig, lol.::), next
Kiyioshi Moody, has a body that is obtainable without drugs, IF, now this is a big IF
IF TRAIN HARD, EAT ENOUGH PROTEIN, DONT OVER TRAIN, AND GET PLENTY OF REST
I give up,all these experts on getbig, lol.
Kiyioshi Moody, has a body that is obtainable without drugs, IF, now this is a big IF
IF TRAIN HARD, EAT ENOUGH PROTEIN, DONT OVER TRAIN, AND GET PLENTY OF REST
Just cause he has slight gyno means jack shit. I know plenty of guys with gyno that are definitely natty's. Lots of people get it during puberty and can't get rid of it w/ out surgery. And I'm not talking FAT kids neither! Look it up.
I believe him.In Japan He told me that he is natural .
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!huh?
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!
What about drug use?haha, he chooses his words very carefully it seems. Good catch ;)
Kiyoshi Moody doesnt have gyno in those pics.Trust me gyno is alot worse
haha, he chooses his words very carefully it seems. Good catch ;)x2. A+
x2. A+haha glad someone else sees it that way too.
In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse.
The simple problem I have is I used to follow his career through the "natural" organization he used to compete with and be the poster boy for...simply put, he didn't look this hard/full back then ::)
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!natty just like you ::).
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!
Can u tell me what it is that he was supposed to do to "show you signs of drug abuse" ? What's he supposed to do, walk around with a needle stuck in his ass?
I can believe his physique could possibly be attained naturally..but the problem in my mind here is the guy goes from soft and small and then in a few months for the show, he gets at least 15 pounds bigger and twice as cut. Never saw a natural pull that one off.Thanks for your input ::)
I can believe his physique could possibly be attained naturally..but the problem in my mind here is the guy goes from soft and small and then in a few months for the show, he gets at least 15 pounds bigger and twice as cut. Never saw a natural pull that one off.You are "The Chemist", so what you say must be true. Do you have any pics that weren't taken 20 years ago. ::)
You guys need to chill.Kiyoshi Moddy isnt on drugs.I met the guy, and he is a cool person who is well spoken.I saw him up close, I beleive his physique is obtainable without drugs.If you saw Kiyoshi Moody up against the light heavyweights at the Mr USA, there is no comparison.Kiyoshi,has a nice lean symetrical body, but its not as dense, hard, or developed like the gys at rthe USA's.His legs could be bigger, and his chest could be thicker.His arms and shoulders are his real strong points.Like I said before I have judged well over 200 shows, tested and non tested shows, so I know what I am talking about.Kiyoshi looks pretty good, but I have seen other natural bodybuilders that look better then him.Did you hear George Bush is backing Obama.
The reason why Kiyoshi, Moody looks as good as he does is 1) he is obessessive, so he has made bodybuilding his life 2) he has pretty good genetics, round muscle bellies, small joints 3)he is a pretty smart guy.
When I was natural, bodybuilding was my life, its all I thought about.If I was dating a girl, I would dump her 4 months before a show because I didnt want any distractions.I didnt go out, I didnt have much of a social life, because I was so focused on winnning.
I look back on it now, and I was totally obsessed!!!! But I wanted to win.
I had the mindset that every meal I ate, every extra rep I did, and every good nights rest I got would take me one step closer to being the best I could be.It did work, but I had to make alot of sacrifices.
When I talked to Kiyoshi, I could see that he has the same mindset I had back then, the guy is really really focused on being the best he can be .
You can only achieve what your mind can concieve.
You guys need to chill.Kiyoshi Moddy isnt on drugs.I met the guy, and he is a cool person who is well spoken.I saw him up close, I beleive his physique is obtainable without drugs.If you saw Kiyoshi Moody up against the light heavyweights at the Mr USA, there is no comparison.Kiyoshi,has a nice lean symetrical body, but its not as dense, hard, or developed like the gys at rthe USA's.His legs could be bigger, and his chest could be thicker.His arms and shoulders are his real strong points.Like I said before I have judged well over 200 shows, tested and non tested shows, so I know what I am talking about.Kiyoshi looks pretty good, but I have seen other natural bodybuilders that look better then him.
The reason why Kiyoshi, Moody looks as good as he does is 1) he is obessessive, so he has made bodybuilding his life 2) he has pretty good genetics, round muscle bellies, small joints 3)he is a pretty smart guy.
When I was natural, bodybuilding was my life, its all I thought about.If I was dating a girl, I would dump her 4 months before a show because I didnt want any distractions.I didnt go out, I didnt have much of a social life, because I was so focused on winnning.
I look back on it now, and I was totally obsessed!!!! But I wanted to win.
I had the mindset that every meal I ate, every extra rep I did, and every good nights rest I got would take me one step closer to being the best I could be.It did work, but I had to make alot of sacrifices.
When I talked to Kiyoshi, I could see that he has the same mindset I had back then, the guy is really really focused on being the best he can be .
You can only achieve what your mind can concieve.
How you have the intelligence to even find out how to turn on your PC and navigate to getbig.com to make this post is beyond me.
You have the grammar and spelling of a fucking 5th grader, at best.
Hey, maybe he isn't on any drugs at all, and only the DHEA you claim you invented. Ha ha! ::)
You are "The Chemist", so what you say must be true. Do you have any pics that weren't taken 20 years ago. ::)Think I know whose gimmick you are. Didn't want to post this one, but it's only a few years old.. Me, at 40 and my pet Python at the time.
Think I know whose gimmick you are. Didn't want to post this one, but it's only a few years old.. Me, at 40 and my pet Python at the time.up the dose and lose the snake
up the dose and lose the snakeLOL. Don't have the snake anymore and definitely am not on juice.
LOL. Don't have the snake anymore and definitely am not on juice.debatable, but a clown like you will never admit it just like your pal Moody.
debatable, but a clown like you will never admit it just like your pal Moody.Not true, in the Member pic section that has about 10 years worth of pics, I readily admit that I did a few small cycles in 1985 and 1986. After 86, all the shots of me are totally clean, including this one which is from 2003.
Not true, in the Member pic section that has about 10 years worth of pics, I readily admit that I did a few small cycles in 1985 and 1986. After 86, all the shots of me are totally clean, including this one which is from 2003.ok we believe you ::) once a user always a user, even more tempting as you get older if you're addicted to iron.
ok we believe you ::) once a user always a user, even more tempting as you get older if you're addicted to iron.
You're such a fucking reatrd.....I used all thru the 80's and have not done a cycle since 1989-19 years clean 8)what a waste of gear
what a waste of gear
Are you fucking with me, Getitonny :DAll natural lumps on his abs also.. ::)
The point is , That's him Off season ,a soft 175 lbs
This is him contest shape solid 195 lbs (with gyno)
Can u tell me what it is that he was supposed to do to "show you signs of drug abuse" ? What's he supposed to do, walk around with a needle stuck in his ass?hahaha, sarcastic post of the year nominee!!! :)
You guys need to chill.Kiyoshi Moddy isnt on drugs.I met the guy, and he is a cool person who is well spoken.I saw him up close, I beleive his physique is obtainable without drugs.If you saw Kiyoshi Moody up against the light heavyweights at the Mr USA, there is no comparison.Kiyoshi,has a nice lean symetrical body, but its not as dense, hard, or developed like the gys at rthe USA's.His legs could be bigger, and his chest could be thicker.His arms and shoulders are his real strong points.Like I said before I have judged well over 200 shows, tested and non tested shows, so I know what I am talking about.Kiyoshi looks pretty good, but I have seen other natural bodybuilders that look better then him.
The reason why Kiyoshi, Moody looks as good as he does is 1) he is obessessive, so he has made bodybuilding his life 2) he has pretty good genetics, round muscle bellies, small joints 3)he is a pretty smart guy.
When I was natural, bodybuilding was my life, its all I thought about.If I was dating a girl, I would dump her 4 months before a show because I didnt want any distractions.I didnt go out, I didnt have much of a social life, because I was so focused on winnning.
I look back on it now, and I was totally obsessed!!!! But I wanted to win.
I had the mindset that every meal I ate, every extra rep I did, and every good nights rest I got would take me one step closer to being the best I could be.It did work, but I had to make alot of sacrifices.
When I talked to Kiyoshi, I could see that he has the same mindset I had back then, the guy is really really focused on being the best he can be .
You can only achieve what your mind can concieve.
Now, I know you are fucking with us :D
BTW, you said this guy ,supposed to do some serious damage at the USA ,what happenned ?
Is He a lifetime natural also ?
You 2 losers are just like those idiots that walk around UFC with "TAP OUT" shirts telling everybody they trained with the Gracies, yet they never been in a fight in the life.
Now, I know you are fucking with us :D
BTW, you said this guy ,supposed to do some serious damage at the USA ,what happenned ?
Is He a lifetime natural also ?
Whateva, why are you busting my balls? I defended you and took your side when you went into the Mr Get Big.First of all , thank you for defending me ::).
When people on the board said you should have you Mr Get Big title stripped because your a WNBF ProI actually defended you.I told True Adonis to quit crying and take his defeat like a man.
This is the thanks I get??????
Whateva, you need to check yourself, because your the one who is a natural pro, who went into an amateur show, to beat amateur guys.In bodybuilding thats called "head hunting"
You knew you could beat these guys, your a natural pro for godsake.These guys in this board are just amateur lifters who screw around with weights.
Why do have this thing against Kiyoshi Moody????? How would you like for everyoby to accuse you of drug use?
Whateva are you jelious because Kiyoshi Moody has a better physique and is getting more expose then you.
Atleast Kiyoshi Moody isnt going into amateur online contests , and beating guys he knows he can beat.
You entering the Mr Get big is like Chuck Lindell picking a fight with an average Joe, it proves nothing
No George is not natural,I never claimed he was.I gave him some pointers, and he was looking really really good.Even at 4 weeks out he is ripped, and grainy hard.
I cant explain why he looks off in those pics.I dont know what he did wrong, I havent talked to him since Monday.
Alot can happen in 5 days.He could have messed up on his carb load, or he could have stressed himself out.
If you let stress get to you, it will smooth you out.
Temper and Van Bilderass, why dont you 2 clowns post pics of yourself???
You sit behind your computer and pick apart melike your have some knowledge, well lets see what you look like.
Atleast I can back up what I say, because I am actually a bodybuilder.Anybody can read Patrick Arnolds articles, and claim that know what they are talking about.But unless you been on a bodybuilding stage and been below 4% bodyfat, shut your mouth.
I hate people who talk trash, yet they hide behind a computer screen because they dont have the physique to back it up.You 2 losers are just like those idiots that walk around UFC with "TAP OUT" shirts telling everybody they trained with the Gracies, yet they never been in a fight in the life.
Sat with him last night at prejudging(USA) and he looked ready to rock. He's just 7-8 weeks away from the Team Universe and seems to be very focus. In my books he's totally clean- I spent an entire week with him in Korea(World Championships) and showed me NO signs of drug abuse. Very nice, polite and hard working. I'm pulling for him to get pro card this coming Sept. in NY. Good Luck Kiyoshi!Chris. Its super honor to talk to you.
Please explain how a guy like Kiyoshi develops gyno in his 30's which he then has to have surgically removed. That's not teenage gyno. That's gyno as a result of substantial steroid use. Please explain why he developed gyno as an adult! It also appears he is sponsored by Dave Palumbo, a guy who openly helps competitors beat the drug tests at natural shows.
You are an idiot, scammer and a fraud. You are lucky Patrick Arnold didn't want to start another flame war, he would've torn you a new asshole. You claiming to have invented DHEA was hilarious.
There are plenty of competitors and experts who have posted pics here who will tell you you're full of shit.
Whateva, thank you for clearing that up.I sponsored the first Mr Get Big, and I defended you, after you won.I told 240 I am a sponsor of this show, and I feel "Whateva' won and should be given the title.I even sent out your prizes to you because I felt you won fairly.
As far as Kiyoshi Moody goes, I feel the guy is natural, you may disagree.You know what it feels like you bust your ass, and have people accuse you of drug use, it sucks.I know I been there.My whole natural career I was accused of drug use because I was a bigger then normal natural bodybuilder.If you are truly natural like I was there is nothing worse then being accused of drug use.
Kiyoshi Moody has a pretty good physique, that I think is obtainable without drugs.
He is only 195lbs, and he is lean but not ripped to the bone.So I dont think he is a drug free athlete.Maybe I am wrong, but that is just my opinion.
If you look at Kiyoshi Moody next to a light heavyweight at the Mr USA, there is literally no comparison.
I hope Kiyoshi Moody is truly natural because there is nothing worse then a person going into a natural show using anabolics, thats a a scum, bad in my book
McWay, that was my point.Kiyoshi Moody 5'10" at 195lbs isnt that impressive.Especially at a national level.Most guys in the light heavyweight class are 5'8" tops usually.
My friend George who just did the Mr USA as a light heavyweight was 5'2" and he weighed 195lbs, granted he was off but still he was huge.
Kiyoshi Moody would look like a stick on the Mr USA stage next to most of those guys.Plus he gets lean, but trust me he isnt nearly as hard as the guys on a national stage.
Anybody with decent genetics, could easily be 195lbs, at 5'10" and compete naturally
Disgusted ,yes Flex Wheeler weighed 215lbs, when he won the Mr USA, but he looked alot better then Kiyoshi Moody looks.Besides 20lbs doesnt sound like alot but 20 lbs "on stage" is a shit load trust me.Most guys are lucky to put on 3-4 lbs "on stage ' a year, if there lucky.20lbs on stage weight is basically 20lbs of muscle.Putting on 20lbs of muscle is big task wether your natural or on drugs.
.So I dont think he is a drug free athlete.
Yeah but Flex is a least one inch taller which closes the gap as far as how much bigger Flex was in terms of weight. Maybe Flex would have weight 205 if he was 5'10. So, that would equate to only 10 pounds of muscle for Flex's steroids use and Flex has some VERY good genetics, better than Moody.
Van ,first of all you idiot I dont sell DHEA, you sound like a parrot for christ sake.
Van please post a pic of yourself, so we can see what the "expert behind the computer screen " looks like.Like I said before, your like one of those idiots thart walk around a UFC fight with a "TAPOUT" shirt on who tells people they trained with so and so.They are the "audience tough guy" telling everyone around them how they could beat up the fighters in the ring, yet they never been in a fight there whole life.
Your probably also one of those guys who goes to bodybuilding shows talking shit about the competitors on stage, saying he is smooth, he looks like shit, yet you would never have the balls to get on a bodybuilding stage.
Van its guys like you who ruin the sports.You have the true athlete " me" then you have the bitter losers" you".
Van unless you been on a bodybuilding stage or you post a pic of your self, do me a favor, and shut up.
above post and ive come to the conclusion.
Moody AINT NATURAL!!!!!
kyoishi is a cool guy.. very humble honest and been thru alot in his life..
i know this really has not much to do with the topic but i know a guy who took 2 shots of sust when he was like 18-20 and got gyno and had to have it removed..
Getitonny..........have you posted a pic of yourself? Are you natural?
2 shots at once-500 mg?????? Or two 250 shots over a week or two?????
All I can say is his body must have had a very bad reaction to the juice..... But sustenon is IMO the most powerful drug, at least for me it was.
He cometed natural and on juice.... I think he said he was 258# on juice...... which is pretty fucking big, but he actaully looked better drug free and 30# smaller.
Yeah but Flex is a least one inch taller which closes the gap as far as how much bigger Flex was in terms of weight. Maybe Flex would have weight 205 if he was 5'10. So, that would equate to only 10 pounds of muscle for Flex's steroids use and Flex has some VERY good genetics, better than Moody.jim,u know bbing as well as anyone here,moody looks very good and had great lines,and good muscle bellies esp from his heritage makes a difference,he's tall for asian too,wheeler had some of the best genes ever for bbing,his usa overall has to be considered one of the best in that show's history,his side chest pose from top to his crazy hams down was sick that night,he looked like he weighed 230 to 240 easily.back to moody clean or not he's good and i bet he would place top 5 in the usa's imo he has a good stage look ,i don't care if he looks small in clothes ,at gym,or dinner,what matters if your competing is to be stage ready and look lke u belong there,moody does.
2 shots at once-500 mg?????? Or two 250 shots over a week or two?????
All I can say is his body must have had a very bad reaction to the juice..... But sustenon is IMO the most powerful drug, at least for me it was.
Chaos, I have always been very open and honest with my drug use.
I was 100% natural until 2001.I did my first cycle in 2001, and I used anabolics up until 2005.
When I was natural I would get up to 252 lbs and compete ar around 216 -219lbs.
As a natural I competed as a PNBA pro.I won the Mr Natural World, Mr Natural International, Mr Natural Southwestern, took 4th in Mr Natural Universe, and 3rd in Musclemania.
When I used anabolics I would get up to 280-290lbs and I competed at 252-258lbs , thats the official weight from the Mr USA weigh in.I know alot of guys lie about there contest weight, I am not one of them.
When I used anabolics, my favorites were Sustanon 250, Trenbalone, and Primobolan.
I never used GH or Insulin because I have large bones and a big rib cage, and I didnt want to appear any more blocky
When I was natural I would take in 500 grams of protein per day, 25 grams of L-Glutamine, and 20 grams of American Creatine Monohydrate.I ate atleast 12 oz of lean meat a day, and I used protein powder contained Whey,Isolate Egg, Casein,Miscellar Casein,Whey Protein Concentrates ( never below 80%)and Milk Protein Isolates..
I am natural again, I havent used any for of anabolics in 2 1/2 years .My current weight is right around 247lbs - 250lbs
Temper, please post a pic.I would love to see what a bitter loser looks like.
Temper like I said about your buddy Van Bilderass.Your probably one of those losers who goes to UFC fights wearing one of his 20 "TAPOUT "shirts, bragging about how tough they are.Telling people they trained with the gracies, yet you never been in a fight in your life.
Temper so L-Glutamine is useless? omg, you are a real idiot.Now I know why you wont post a pic of yourself, you look like crap.
Not taking L-Glutamine is like not putting gas in your car.Temper, whats next your going to tell me protein powder is useless to.lol.
I guess L-Glutamine is uselss, thats why Jay Cutler takes 30 grams of L-Glutamine per day, minimum
Getitonny..........have you posted a pic of yourself? Are you natural?
I guess L-Glutamine is uselss, thats why Jay Cutler takes 30 grams of L-Glutamine per day, minimum
he killed his mom ???
Hey bro, I was cool about reading all these points until I read this one. You can disrespect me all you want, but please dont cross the line with the mother comments. Not cool bro. Like I said disrespect me all you want if that makes you happy
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Quote from: bigbalddaddy on July 25, 2008, 01:47:15 PM
Kiyoshi,
Great build, looks like you've trained awfully hard. I'm not saying I don't believe you but I want to find someone who will prove they are a natural.
Lets do this the right way.
I have an independent lab that can test your blood for anabolic/banned substances and i'll pay for it. I can set it up for any zip code in the U.S so that you can pop in to any clinic and be out in minutes.
Would you be up to the test to prove you are natural and at anytime a test is requested?
I'd be curious to know if just one person who claims to be natural will submit to blood testing...just one.
Kiyoshi's Reply
Hey Bro NO PROBLEM ANYTIME, ANYWHERE, NO NOTICE. I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY. U ARE ACTUALLY MY THIRD TAKER. AS LONG AS THEY ARE A LEGITIMATE DRUG TESTING LAB CENTER
Those foolproof drug tests will surely solve thisPalumbo, is the man (when it comes to passing drug tests) you should be thanking him daily Moody! Livin the Lie!
::)
Palumbo, is the man (when it comes to passing drug tests) you should be thanking him daily Moody! Livin the Lie!
Can u tell me what it is that he was supposed to do to "show you signs of drug abuse" ? What's he supposed to do, walk around with a needle stuck in his ass?
Most likely on for the show.
If he can look like that on stage without extra hormones than he's a mutant.
It's always what you look like onstage!!!! It's an illusion onstage. Most people I met especially this weekend in vegas at the USA's have said I'm alot smaller offstage.
Take it as a compliment. Guys much worse looking get accused of juice.
With todays many bullshitters it's hard to believe anybody.
It's always what you look like onstage!!!! It's an illusion onstage. Most people I met especially this weekend in vegas at the USA's have said I'm alot smaller offstage.
How did you get the gyno moody? You seem to want to talk, speak up about the gyno.
KiyoshiMoody - How do you think you got your gyno ? What do you think was the root cause? Have you always had it or did it suddenly come on?
he eats a lot of pussy, thats where all the estrogen comes from and thats how he got the gyno.
that would be my excuse .
How did you get the gyno moody? You seem to want to talk, speak up about the gyno.
I dont need to explain if I dont have gyno. endof story
How many other lifetime naturals do you know who can "diet up", kevin levrone style?
Gaining muscle mass at the same time as going down to a very low bodyfat I thought was practically impossible for a natural.
In a relative short amount of time aswell.
How do you explain the injection spots on the your abs area?
::), liars are losers.
I dont need to explain if I dont have gyno. endof story
i've never heard of a natty who grows into his contest weight. i'm genuinely convinced it ain't possible.Impossible, indeed .
Impossible, indeed .
you look fantastic regardless of whether you're clean or not, congrats.
why would it be impossible? because know diets this way!!!!. Right now i'm still at a steady 205. So pretty good chance I will come in light heavy instead of heavy as I wanted too. With dropping water I'm looking at 197 on the dot at weighins then carbing up
why would it be impossible? because know diets this way!!!!. Right now i'm still at a steady 205. So pretty good chance I will come in light heavy instead of heavy as I wanted too. With dropping water I'm looking at 197 on the dot at weighins then carbing up
I dont need to explain if I dont have gyno. endof story
::), liars are losers.Indeed.
Indeed.
Its sad that people take anything this guy says seriously.
Kyoshi you must have trouble sleeping at night knowing your natural status is a joke and a lie and you look like shit when compared to other guys on gear.
Epic horselike teeth, alien lumps on abs,xenomorph head, brutal gyno and merciless balding.
Naturals can't gain size and get leaner at the same time, unless they are beginners. Kiyoshi is quite the bullshitter.
what is this magically diet that you can gain size fast and lose body fat at the same time? ::)there is none, he's full of shit, looks good though.
what is this magically diet that you can gain size fast and lose body fat at the same time?
what is this magically diet that you can gain size fast and lose body fat at the same time?
so would you take me up on this offer?why not just outline this magical diet plan for us all?
GH, Finasteride + his juice
why not just outline this magical diet plan for us all?
so would you take me up on this offer?
what is this magically diet that you can gain size fast and lose body fat at the same time?Test prop/suspension for starters
lol, dont think so, if you would like my services then we do it the right way!!!!!!
Is there a website where you have posted your diet? I would have to see the diet first before considering trying it. I'm happy with my current diet though.
So your priority is to make money, not that there is anything wrong with that. So you do have a motive to lie and claim to be natural; to make money.
If your happy then stick to it!!!! ok just think high protein depending on ur weight moderate to low carbs and very low fat, very low!!!. Training would be completly different than your probably use too also
So your priority is to make money, not that there is anything wrong with that. So you do have a motive to lie and claim to be natural; to make money.
ok just think high protein depending on ur weight moderate to low carbs and very low fat, very low!!!.
How is this a magic diet? It's probably the most common and most used by bodybuilders. It's certainly the oldest as nowadays we know a bit more fat is better.
lol, did i say anything about money? You see, you assume too much. Never assume!!!! I usually take some people that are really serious about dieting and training and I teach them. I dont charge alot of people. Iam trying to help, but if someone just wants info to critizize then no I wont gie out or help in any way
It's not magic!!!! Most people diet up too much then diet back down. Very unhealthy.
Kiyoshi Moody does not have gyno, trust me my best friend had gyno, and had to have it surgically removed.
Kiyoshi, You dont need to defend yourself,the only reason there busting your balls is because they have nothing better to do.Most of these jokers have 4000+ posts,do you realize how much wasted time it took to post that many posts.If you have more then a 1000 posts you need to get a life, lol.
Well, how many calories do you take in to gain size and lose fat? For gaining size low calories aren't gonna cut it. For getting leaner, high calories aren't gonna cut it. Naturally, that is.
The thing to remember is always manipulate the pro/carbs/fat according to how your body changes from week to week. Most people stick with the same diet. At the same time as the more muscle you gain during training meaning not doing the samething over and over and over which most people do you will recruit more muscle fibers if different types of training are involved. I have been training and training people since 1989, I have 2 degrees in the related field and certified CPT. I am not saying I am expert by no means Iam always learning about different methods techniques, diets always keep an open mind!!!
Calm down poindexter. Our own in house expert candydizzle is as equally qualified and learned as you. Even he can't diet up.
i agree.
gyno ain't an indicator. i'm pretty sure if i dieted down i'd have a little gyno (get fat, it seems to come with the territory).
Kiyoshi Moody does not have gyno, trust me
Only a fool would "trust you". If you can't see the gyno in the above pic you either need glasses or are a total moron who doesn't know jack shit about bodybuilding.
There is a difference between someone who used to be fat or who has droopy pecs as teen and a lean bodybuilder who develops gyno in his 30's. Not fat pecs but a disc of fibrous looking tissue (with a sharp edge to the mass of tissue) on an otherwise very lean body.
Did anyone see the pics I posted links to earlier? To me it looks like there is a scar under the nipple meaning he had gyno surgery. Guys take a look, tell me if you see it. Maybe someone can enlarge and sharpen it up.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2qvqr61.jpg)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ntlnjc.jpg)
Can u tell me what it is that he was supposed to do to "show you signs of drug abuse" ? What's he supposed to do, walk around with a needle stuck in his ass?
I dont need to explain if I dont have gyno. endof story
wat up kiyoshi u get my message on myspace? i tried to help ya out over here and bring up some points i think alot of these guys are starting to understand u.. from the thread.. u know ur stuff...anyways..hope prep is going well for team u.. our crew from around ny will def be there.
Lies
What up !!!! I got it!!! Thanks bro!!!! I have a guy I'm training right now. He is doing the samething I put myself through. He is a lightweight but most likely we will be a welterweight, after we are done.
Prep is going good!!!! Still holding at 205, should come in as a light heavy again. I was looking at heavy but my body just wont put on the weight. So after I cut my water once I get there in NYC I should weigh in at 197 on the dot. Ready to rock!!!! Thanks for the support big dogg!!!!I will be staying uptown again on 101st. Like it up there, away from everything!!!
lol
I feel stupid even arguing about this ,you are full of shit ,I know it ,You know it .
why would it be impossible? because know diets this way!!!!. Right now i'm still at a steady 205. So pretty good chance I will come in light heavy instead of heavy as I wanted too. With dropping water I'm looking at 197 on the dot at weighins then carbing up
bigbalddaddy
Getbig IV
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Re: Kiyoshi Moody
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Kiyoshi,
Great build, looks like you've trained awfully hard. I'm not saying I don't believe you but I want to find someone who will prove they are a natural.
Lets do this the right way.
I have an independent lab that can test your blood for anabolic/banned substances and i'll pay for it. I can set it up for any zip code in the U.S so that you can pop in to any clinic and be out in minutes.
Would you be up to the test to prove you are natural and at anytime a test is requested?
I'd be curious to know if just one
There is a difference between someone who used to be fat or who has droopy pecs as teen and a lean bodybuilder who develops gyno in his 30's. Not fat pecs but a disc of fibrous looking tissue (with a sharp edge to the mass of tissue) on an otherwise very lean body.
Did anyone see the pics I posted links to earlier? To me it looks like there is a scar under the nipple meaning he had gyno surgery. Guys take a look, tell me if you see it. Maybe someone can enlarge and sharpen it up.
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2qvqr61.jpg)
(http://i35.tinypic.com/2ntlnjc.jpg)
Anyone look at the pics and see the gyno surgery scar I think I'm seeing?
(right click and view pic to see full size)
Anyone look at the pics and see the gyno surgery scar I think I'm seeing?
(right click and view pic to see full size)
Are you fucking with me, Getitonny :D
The point is , That's him Off season ,a soft 175 lbs
This is him contest shape solid 195 lbs (with gyno)
actually 188lbs in that pic
actually 188lbs in that pic
I beleive Kiyoshi Moody is natural, he looks good but he isnt freaky.If you saw him in the Mr USA contest he held his own, but you could tell that he is to tall for the weight class.Just because a guy is muscular and lean doesnt mean he is on the juice.
Kiyoshi Moody is only 200lbs!!!! Your telling me a person cant be lean and muscular at 200lbs and be natural?
Kiyoshi Moody looks great by himself, but at Mr USA, he didnt look as impressive standing next to guys on anabolics.
Kiyoshi Moody does not have gyno, trust me thats not gyno.
Hey hows it going..I SAw u post a comment on how bad Kyoshio Gyno surgery was.. I Just happened to go to the doctor that did surgery on him and showed me his before and after pics..i never heard of kiyoshi..so i wrote the name down and looked him up and stumbled on this site.. U think he did a bad job? you guys know a lot bout this..Thought i ask..hes only charging me $3000..So i dunno..if its worth it..or just keep looking..Thanks in advance
I beleive Kiyoshi Moody is natural, he looks good but he isnt freaky.If you saw him in the Mr USA contest he held his own, but you could tell that he is to tall for the weight class.Just because a guy is muscular and lean doesnt mean he is on the juice.
Kiyoshi Moody is only 200lbs!!!! Your telling me a person cant be lean and muscular at 200lbs and be natural?
Kiyoshi Moody looks great by himself, but at Mr USA, he didnt look as impressive standing next to guys on anabolics.
Kiyoshi Moody does not have gyno, trust me thats not gyno.
Think I know whose gimmick you are. Didn't want to post this one, but it's only a few years old.. Me, at 40 and my pet Python at the time.
Van Gyno surgery doesnt mean someone did roids.I know a guy who didnt do any juice at all and had bitch tit.If a man has high amounts of estrogen and eats alot of Soy protein it could cause Gyno.
Van if you saw Kiyoshi Moody on stage at trhe Mr USA, you would beleive he is natural.He looked good, but he got 13th place in his class.Like I said before when he is standing by himself he looks awesome, but against top level national light heavy weights on anabolics he didnt look as impressive.
If you see Kiyoshi Moody in person he doesnt look that impressive.He looks good, but he isnt huge.
I think anyobody who had good genetics, and worked hard could look like Kiyoshi Moody.
I mean come on he is only 190lbs on stage.Accusing him of drug use is like a witch hunt, its stupid.
On this website if anybody has any muscle, and looks half way decent.they ...... must be on drugs
Stan doesn't look natural Kiyoshi Moody, does.If you look at the leg difference between Stan Mcquay and Kiyoshi Moody you can tell.A real natural bodybuilder always has a hard time keeping legs mass from cardio.If you look at Kiyoshi Moodys legs in that pic, they don't look big at all, while Stans legs look huge.
Van Kiyoshi Moody isn't nearly as big or as lean as Lee Labrada, Frank Zane, or Franco ,lol.He took 13th in the Mr USA, which isn't impressive, but impressive for a natural.
Moody = lying asshole
Do you think GetItOnNY is serious or is he just playing?
If your happy then stick to it!!!! ok just think high protein depending on ur weight moderate to low carbs and very low fat, very low!!!. Training would be completly different than your probably use too also
A man his age doesn't suddenly develop gyno like that from eating soy, which I doubt he eats anyway. He wasn't obese during the time either.
I always say this, and it should be so obvious; forget about the weight. Look at the build!
Was Frank Zane natural? Was Lee Labrada natural? Was Francois Benfatto natural? Was Shawn Ray natural? They weren't that heavy so they must've been natural right?
This is so ridiculous. :'(
What do you think of a natural considering hiring Hany Rambod for prep? Is that a guy a natural would hire? Or Palumbo?
I bet you think Jose Raymond is natural too. And Stan McQuay. Why couldn't they be? Quite a "slender" physique on Stan.
(http://www.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/DSC_3784_JRQVQEGFYW.JPG)
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Neither have overwhelming size, so I say they must both be natural! They both claim natural status. It's fantastic that you can win pro shows without drugs these days.
Well actually, Stan doesn't look that far from natural. IMHO!
Pat
ppl underestimate the amount of muscle that can be built naturally.
ppl underestimate the amount of muscle that can be built naturally.
I couldn't even tie my shoes naturally
all drugs
oh shit stavy, my bad.........i meant people OVERestimate the amount of muscle that can be built naturally.
LOL my bad...ive been up since 4am, im tired lol.
haha I was serious bro I am all drug ;D
haha, but u look great, so it doesnt matter.
thats what i really dont understand, if u look good, to me it doesnt matter if u use drugs or not. thats why i dont understand if a guy like kiyoshi uses drugs or not, because the guy looks good, he should just admit what hes doing, because all he has to do is look around, and realize that every other guy in the room is taking drugs, and no one is going to look at him weird, cos they're all doing the same thing.
It can be something as simple as not wanting to disappoint naive family members or even spouses. Once you tell the lie you have to keep it going, even if you'd rather not.thats exactly whats happened bro, hes started the lie, now he cant stop.
thats exactly whats happened bro, hes started the lie, now he cant stop.
sad as it might be, i think your right.
but then again, who knows.......he may be a habitual liar?
I am a certified judge in the NPC, ABA, PNBA,as well as other organizations.So I have judged over 200 shows, natural and non tested shows.I have seen at least 2 dozen guys look as good and even better then Kiyoshi Moody over the years.
I seen Kiyoshi Moody in person and he doesn't look that big, or look like a person that does anabolics.
If Kiyoshi Moody is using anabolics, which I doubt, it would be pretty sad considering that he isn't that big or that impressive for that matter.He looks good, but your guys are making out to be some sort of freak when he is barely 190lbs.
Say what you want but I think the guy is clean.
lmao!!!!!
Yes, a juicer must have huge thighs. Frank Zane had these huge tree trunks. Mike Arvilla never touched any anabolics either since his legs aren't huge. Darrem Charles must be natural since his thighs look quite small from some angles.
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Kiyoshi: a guy who hasn't gone all out with his use yet since he's competed in these tested shows. But he has used plenty, way way more than Zane ever did. He IS leaner than Zane, and certainly much leaner than Franco ever was. Growth Hormone.
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Van Gyno surgery doesn't mean someone did roids.I know a guy who didn't do any juice at all and had bitch tit.If a man has high amounts of estrogen and eats alot of Soy protein it could cause Gyno.
Van if you saw Kiyoshi Moody on stage at the Mr USA, you would believe he is natural.He looked good, but he got 13th place in his class.Like I said before when he is standing by himself he looks awesome, but against top level national light heavy weights on anabolics he didn't look as impressive.
If you see Kiyoshi Moody in person he doesn't look that impressive.He looks good, but he isn't huge.
I think anybody who had good genetics, and worked hard could look like Kiyoshi Moody.
I mean come on he is only 190lbs on stage.Accusing him of drug use is like a witch hunt, its stupid.
On this website if anybody has any muscle, and looks half way decent.they ...... must be on drugs
the biggest lair in modern bodybuilding ?I trust the guy....competed against him....he's good , getting better.....and will be a top NPC guy for the next 3 yrs.
Testosterone Nation: Just to play devil's advocate here, are you a lifetime natural or one of those "natural at this present moment" guys?
Kiyoshi: I'm a lifetime natural athlete at this time. Have I ever thought about using? Of course!
Testosterone Nation: What are your current stats?
Kiyoshi: Right now I'm 36 years old, 5' 10", and my current weight is 205 pounds because I'm getting ready for a contest. Entering the show I should be around 195 to 205. Off-season I'm about 175 to 185. I diet up.
Testosterone Nation: So wait, you get heavier, not lighter closer to show time? Don't most bodybuilders lose weight as they lose fat for the contest?
Kiyoshi: Most competitors do diet down for a competition, but there are some out there (and they are rare) that diet up. Kevin Levrone comes to mind.
I trust the guy....competed against him....he's good , getting better.....and will be a top NPC guy for the next 3 yrs.
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I would never have thought that a Physique like Stans would win a Pro Show. He's got a great Physique, don't get me wrong, but it just doesn't seem like a Physique that would be winning IFBB (Pretty much the Pinnacle of Bodybuilding) shows. I haven't followed many of the 202 comps but I can't remember seeing any linups like this one. Just my opinion.
Pat
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I would never have thought that a Physique like Stans would win a Pro Show. He's got a great Physique, don't get me wrong, but it just doesn't seem like a Physique that would be winning IFBB (Pretty much the Pinnacle of Bodybuilding) shows. I haven't followed many of the 202 comps but I can't remember seeing any linups like this one. Just my opinion.
Pat
yeah it was a very weak 202 show
Its a known fact that eating high amounts of eating Soy Protein can increase Estrogen in men and women.
If I have to explain to you why,then you really need help.
Fertil Steril. 2009 Jun 11.
Clinical studies show no effects of soy protein or isoflavones on reproductive hormones in men: results of a meta-analysis.
Hamilton-Reeves JM, Vazquez G, Duval SJ, Phipps WR, Kurzer MS, Messina MJ.
Department of Family, Consumer, and Nutrition Science, St. Catherine University, and Department of Food Science and Nutrition, University of Minnesota, St. Paul, Minnesota.
OBJECTIVE: To determine whether isoflavones exert estrogen-like effects in men by lowering bioavailable T through evaluation of the effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on T, sex hormone-binding globulin (SHBG), free T, and free androgen index (FAI) in men. DESIGN: PubMed and CAB Abstracts databases were searched through July 1, 2008, with use of controlled vocabulary specific to the databases, such as soy, isoflavones, genistein, phytoestrogens, red clover, androgen, testosterone, and SHBG. Peer-reviewed studies published in English were selected if [1] adult men consumed soy foods, isolated soy protein, or isoflavone extracts (from soy or red clover) and [2] circulating T, SHBG, free T, or calculated FAI was assessed. Data were extracted by two independent reviewers. Isoflavone exposure was abstracted directly from studies. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURE(S): Fifteen placebo-controlled treatment groups with baseline and ending measures were analyzed. In addition, 32 reports involving 36 treatment groups were assessed in simpler models to ascertain the results. RESULT(S): No significant effects of soy protein or isoflavone intake on T, SHBG, free T, or FAI were detected regardless of statistical model. CONCLUSION(S): The results of this meta-analysis suggest that neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable T concentrations in men.
Yoshi is no stranger to the needle, John Hansen is even worse liar than Moody.