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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
you know that this isn't Muscle Mayhem, right?
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
Very Chick inspired post..
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to add to this thread, I ask "Howard" this- Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
You can be an IFBB PRO without diet discipline(M. Anthony) ,without muscle shape(Paco Bautista) ,without training intensity (Bob Chick),with injuries (Branch Warren)........................ .......
You can't be a PRO without drugs.
Hope this helps
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like I said
"Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?"
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
can you PLEASE shut your mouth you fat old creepy retard
bodybuilding is about your genetic response to DRUGS..........plain and simple.............of course other factors come into play.............but genetic response to drugs is number one
stop trying to fool yourself that a couple more years in the gym, and some more discipline in the kitchen.........that you might lose your old fat man tits ::) ::)
as far as bodybuilding, adn BB culture goes..........GH15 is a fucking prophet.............and i dont doll out praise easily............GH15 know all when it comes to the BB scene
i dont care if he is dennis james, nasser, or some morbidly obes 300lb shlub sitting in his moms basement pullig the most elaborate message board prank of all time...............HE KNOWS HIS SHIT, HE KNOWS THIS CULTURE
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You can be an IFBB PRO without diet discipline(M. Anthony) ,without muscle shape(Paco Bautista) ,without training intensity (Bob Chick),with injuries (Branch Warren)........................ .......
You can't be a PRO without drugs.
Hope this helps
Melvin has incredible shape and balance. Branch trains like an animal and is able to dial in for a show like few others. Paco was always conditioned but his shape held him back from the top spots in the pros.
Chick took several years to get his pro card and having to deal with his back injury added to that time .
EVERY top bodybuilder has some area or issue that is a weakness. Dealing with THAT in a constrauctive manner is the key and drugs can't do that for ya.
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You are missing the point. Yes, obviously genetic talent for the sport is a HUGE factor in BB success. BUt to say it all relates to drugs is retarded.
There are a bunch of key factors to being a pro.
ANYONE who thinks it is all drugs never competed much or is delusional.
2 types of bbers
1. guys who built a core physique from a REAL sport than entered bbing ala Ronnie Coleman
2. guys who are ALL drugs, didnt do s##t before bbing...just grabbed a needle
(http://fitblog.biz/uploads/posts/thumbs/1213030879_tom_prince.jpg)
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can you PLEASE shut your mouth you fat old creepy retard
bodybuilding is about your genetic response to DRUGS..........plain and simple.............of course other factors come into play.............but genetic response to drugs is number one
stop trying to fool yourself that a couple more years in the gym, and some more discipline in the kitchen.........that you might lose your old fat man tits ::) ::)
as far as bodybuilding, adn BB culture goes..........GH15 is a fucking prophet.............and i dont doll out praise easily............GH15 know all when it comes to the BB scene
i dont care if he is dennis james, nasser, or some morbidly obes 300lb shlub sitting in his moms basement pullig the most elaborate message board prank of all time...............HE KNOWS HIS SHIT, HE KNOWS THIS CULTURE
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this old, out of touch foggie comes on here every once and while just to stink up this forum with his idiotic rhetoric
his grandeurs of illusion are almost Goodrum-esque
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Melvin has incredible shape and balance. Branch trains like an animal and is able to dial in for a show like few others. Paco was always conditioned but his shape held him back from the top spots in the pros.
Chick took several years to get his pro card and having to deal with his back injury added to that time .
EVERY top bodybuilder has some area or issue that is a weakness. Dealing with THAT in a constrauctive manner is the key and drugs can't do that for ya.
You don't get it do you ?
Name a natural IFBB PRO
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You don't get it do you ?
Name a natural IFBB PRO
Mike Asheley 1990 ASC champ after Shawn Ray was busted for the drug test * only yr they tested.
He was clean enough to pass the same drug test others failed!
Ronnie Coleman did NOT win the nationals when he went pro.He was the only finalist in the Hvy wt class to be willing to take and then pass the drug test to go to the IFBB worlds. He got his pro card at the IFBB amatuer worlds at 217 lbs.
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this old, out of touch foggie comes on here every once and while just to stink up this forum with his idiotic rhetoric
his grandeurs of illusion are almost Goodrum-esque
he's like one of those weirdos you find on the message boards............kind of like "mayor of bodybuilding" over at MD.............who is a TRUE FAN of the sport, and really wants to keep the dream alive that these guys are all champions
he is a fanboy of bodybuilders, and doesnt like hearing about the underbelly of the sport,.......cause they are his heroes
he is like that wrestling fan on that one video:
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In conclusion , let me simply say AGAIN, I never said that drugs didn't play a role in BB success in the pro ranks. That would be retarded to say drugs don't make a difference. BUT, to claim that it is mostly drugs is just silly. Oh well, keep listening to some mystery internet forum guru and I am sure you will be a success and know the truth. ::)
Some of you sure do get your pantys in a bunch over this issue hehehe. Good night. :-*
keep avoiding the issue, retard
again, I ask
"Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?"
Shit- have you ever seen how the majority of today's pro's "train"?
guy, the days of "2 a days" with each session being 3 hours of hardcore work ARE DEAD...stop fooling yourself
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can you PLEASE shut your mouth you fat old creepy retard
bodybuilding is about your genetic response to DRUGS..........plain and simple.............of course other factors come into play.............but genetic response to drugs is number one
stop trying to fool yourself that a couple more years in the gym, and some more discipline in the kitchen.........that you might lose your old fat man tits ::) ::)
as far as bodybuilding, adn BB culture goes..........GH15 is a fucking prophet.............and i dont doll out praise easily............GH15 know all when it comes to the BB scene
i dont care if he is dennis james, nasser, or some morbidly obes 300lb shlub sitting in his moms basement pullig the most elaborate message board prank of all time...............HE KNOWS HIS SHIT, HE KNOWS THIS CULTURE
QFT
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
You were always wrong and you are wrong again. You and Basile are very much alike, two old and creepy guys who know nothing about bodybuilding despite being "in it" for decades upon decades.
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keep avoiding the issue, retard
again, I ask
"Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?"
Shit- have you ever seen how the majority of today's pro's "train"?
####, the days of "2 a days" with each session being 3 hours of hardcore work ARE DEAD...stop fooling yourself
yes, as a matter of fact I not only saw Chris train , I was lucky enough to do a couple workouts with him ( along with 3-4 others) at Body Elite gym in Houma , La when he came down to guest pose at nearby meet 10 yrs ago. I was impressed at the wt he handled for decent reps in chest work. He seemd like he trained hard and heavy to me. We also were lucky enough to go out with him to few local clubs and he will be the first to admit he likes to party and THAT hurt his chances of winning the O.
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You were always wrong and you are wrong again. You and Basile are very much alike, two old and creepy guys who know nothing about bodybuilding despite being "in it" for decades upon decades.
Thanks I will take that as a compliment :D
I respect Basille and only wish I had won a national level title like he did years ago.
Thanks for the dialogue and belive it or not I do know about drug use in this game. I also know it takes a hell of lot more than drugs to be a success at bodybuilding. But , you guys keep listening to the drugs only gurus and good luck.
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Now that was funny and with a funny as hell video no less , seriously that made me laugh , thanks.
FYI< I am a real fan of BB and have competed in over 40 shows (1978 - 1995). I was a former AAU national judge and judged the AAU Mr America and am currently an " A level NPC judge" with many years experience.
I have posted ad naseum about how the IFBB fails to enforce their own 48 pgs of rules on drug testing and banned drugs, etc.So obviously I am honest and open about the drug use in BB.
... and your background and experience in BB is?
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yeh, your such an astute observer of the sport, you think it would be benificial for the NPC/IFBB to start enforcing it drug policies
a person with down syndrome could tell you that would kill the sport
their is NO bodybuilding without steroids, for a person with so much time spent in the sport, you really are out of touch with reality
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Thanks for the dialogue and belive it or not I do know about drug use in this game.
You do not. Drugs are the Alpha and Omega in bodybuilding. No drugs, no bodybuilding.
You're the one who suggested drug testing in professional bodybuilding. Only a retard would do that.
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You do not. Drugs are the Alpha and Omega in bodybuilding. No drugs, no bodybuilding.
You're the one who suggested drug testing in professional bodybuilding. Only a retard would do that.
so you dont think howards right, people wont come to see IFBB pros carrying about as much muscle as college swimmers ::) ::)
lol..........tested IFBB events
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
Are you really saying that if someone didn't use drugs and wanted to be Mr. Olympia one day that he could do it without hormones? Your post would be a much better post if we could all get into a time machine and go back in time. Say the 1950's. ::)
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Seems like old man Howard is jealous of the attention and popularity GH15 gets on the boards ::)
Howard tried steroids but only sissy doses and he is resentful that he couldnt man up and take the higher doses required to actually look like a bodybuilder and compete
As others have said bodybuilder is all drugs and response to drugs
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btw, I just read the title of this thread.....what kind of grown man uses the term "doggy doo"?!
seriously, is this guy like 5 or something?
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btw, I just read the title of this thread.....what kind of grown man uses the term "doggy doo"?!
seriously, is this guy like 5 or something?
mental age of 5, Howard is a retard and a schmoe
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mental age of 5, Howard is a retard and a schmoe
with idiots like Howard judging events, no wonder people like branch are taking 2nd at the Olympias.
and its hysterical how he boasts about being a "A level" BB judge, as if it were a respectable profession. Epic backfired thread LOL
" I was a former AAU national judge and judged the AAU Mr America and am currently an " A level NPC judge" with many years experience"
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Seems like old man Howard is jealous of the attention and popularity GH15 gets on the boards ::)
Howard tried steroids but only sissy doses and he is resentful that he couldnt man up and take the higher doses required to actually look like a bodybuilder and compete
As others have said bodybuilder is all drugs and response to drugs
I've heard he doesn't respond to hormones. Or that all he ever used was bunk shit believing it was real.
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with idiots like Howard judging events, no wonder people like branch are taking 2nd at the Olympias.
and its hysterical how he boasts about being a "A level" BB judge, as if it were a respectable profession. Epic backfired thread LOL
" I was a former AAU national judge and judged the AAU Mr America and am currently an " A level NPC judge" with many years experience"
Branch looked great last Olympia and desrved 2nd.
I judge because I love BB and enjoy being an official part of it.
I teach physics for a living.
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Branch looked great last Olympia and desrved 2nd.
I judge because I love BB and enjoy being an official part of it.
I teach physics for a living.
do you teach special ed kids?
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It is obvious my thoughts and ideas would fall on deaf ears by many who replied here.
I suspected as much when I wrote the post.
I find it interesting to read some of your posts on this.
It amazes me how some cling so strongly to their beliefs on this , almost like it is some religion? hmmmm.
Ya know , I am going to pro contests regardless of drug use. If they juice, fine, if they tested I would be even more happy.
No biggy, live and let live.
I just hope I can finally stay on a decent diet and get some abs showing in a few months.
The Olympics have been tested for decades and its pretty well known that many(MANY) use PED's. So whats your point?
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Ya know , I am going to pro contests regardless of drug use. If they juice, fine, if they tested I would be even more happy.
why do you go to pro shows for? are you some sort of homo or something?...seriously, shouldn't a grown ass man be trying to have sex with girls or something
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
You have blasphemed.
May the god of hormones have mercy on your soul.
Dismissed.
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It is obvious my thoughts and ideas would fall on deaf ears by many who replied here.
I suspected as much when I wrote the post.
I find it interesting to read some of your posts on this.
It amazes me how some cling so strongly to their beliefs on this , almost like it is some religion? hmmmm.
Ya know , I am going to pro contests regardless of drug use. If they juice, fine, if they tested I would be even more happy.
No biggy, live and let live.
I just hope I can finally stay on a decent diet and get some abs showing in a few months.
When Lance Armstrong finally comes out and admits his use of PED's but tells everyone that he only took them because he lost a testicle and his body wasn't producing the same amount of testosterone as him fellow riders. Will you also believe that PED's had nothing to do with his wins?
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LOL, for a guy that doesn't look like a bodybuilder , I did ok in actual contests.
I never too much and still beat guys that did.
Never won a national show or turned pro but I did palce 3rd at the AAU Jr America and won the only drug tested NPC show ever held in Lousiana (94 Ironman naturally
How do you know what those other guys were doing?
And the "only" tested NPC show , right there it screams you are a liar..your motivation for this thread comes across in that statement..you did lots of drugs but still were only good enough to look like a "natural" which of course we all know in bodybuilding there is no such thing , now fuck off you deluded all cu nt you are tiresome ::)
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So Howard answer this..the only drug tested mr olympia in 1990..do you beleive they were all natural ?
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How do you know what those other guys were doing?
And the "only" tested NPC show , right there it screams you are a liar..your motivation for this thread comes across in that statement..you did lots of drugs but still were only good enough to look like a "natural" which of course we all know in bodybuilding there is no such thing , now fuck off you deluded all cu nt you are tiresome ::)
The only drug tested (nattural) NPC ever held in the state of the Lousiana was the August 1994 Ironman naturally held at Baton Rouge Centrplex.
I got 1st and even did a 2 min spot on WWL news later that week.
I don't know what most of the guys in NON tested shows took. I do know what some told me they took however.
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
its all drugs...and genetics....nothing else.....working out, and diet is just the finishing touch...
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If they were NOT disqualified they were clean anough to pass whatever drug test they gave.
It doesn't matter what I think in this case , only what the facts are.
The IFBB has avoided dealing with the drug issue for a loooooong time .
They were all using ;) ,you using if they didnt get caught than they were clean enough to be clean is a crazy close your eyes and it didnt happen cos i missed it logic...they were not natural end of story..
Using the logic you just applyed there means you also must beleive the Olympic games is all natural to..
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I never have said that drugs are NOT a part of modern sport. I simply said that GH15 was wacky to think it was ALL DRUGS. Saying it is "all drugs" is as reatrded as saying drugs don't work or help. Hmmm, who is the one here being reasonable and logical?
If a human being can't compete at the Olympia level without using drugs, then it is all about the drugs.. Its has now become and unspoken rule that a person must use drugs and a lot of them to compete at that level. Its niave at best to think other wise.
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If they were NOT disqualified they were clean anough to pass whatever drug test they gave.
It doesn't matter what I think in this case , only what the facts are.
The IFBB has avoided dealing with the drug issue for a loooooong time .
hahahaha so naive...
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The only drug tested (nattural) NPC ever held in the state of the Lousiana was the August 1994 Ironman naturally held at Baton Rouge Centrplex.
I got 1st and even did a 2 min spot on WWL news later that week.
I don't know what most of the guys in NON tested shows took. I do know what some told me they took however.
What did you do a polygraph?
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Think for one minute ok. Think about some other performing activity like singing for example.
If you don't have the natural talent all the vocal coaches, drugs or whatever won't make you sound good live on stage.
In sports like sprinting or bodybuilding, drugs do ENHANCE your performance , no question.
BUT, the reality is ,you can't replace a lack of talent with drugs.
That is the cold hard fact and reality.
I went to bed with tears in my eyes when I knew I lacked the talent to be a top pro MANY years ago. It hurt to finally realize that I just didn't have what it took to be a top bodybuilder. It hurts to lose a dream, but I learned to accept it and enjoy bodybuilding as a fun lifestyle. I am quite greatful I had the sense to get an education and stable career. That is why I admire and respect pros in all sports so much. I tried hard and couldn't do it. Unlike some , I am not jealous or bitter as I gave it my best shot and busted my ass trying.
What some choose to BELIEVE is the drug myth. If they keep searching for the magic motion , they can unlock the secret to bodybuilding success. Of course the drug guru has this secret knowldge and will let you in...for a price ;)
I have seen many like this in bodybuilding over the years. Most end up frustrated and bitter , still convinced they never found the true holy grail of bodybuilding drugs. I may be a retarded old fart, but I do KNOW the truth on what drugs can/can't do.The supplement companies do a similar thing, but that is another story.
BB is a wonderful lifestyle and healthy if you don't go too crazy hehe.
bro, i played the BB/NPC game for a while.....its all drugs and genetics......i have been there, lived it, and seen it....
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Then you already know that if you lack the genetic talent , training habbits and diet discipline to win, all the drugs in the world won't make it happen. THAT is my point! The GH15 types want everyone to think you need the right magic potion.
This way the real secret is the magic drugs, NOT the other stuff.
i didnt lack it...not saying i would have went pro either....but it was sad....if you have the genetics....and a great supplier...and no life, or ambitions.....pro life is for you...
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not to further shit on aaron singerman, i understand this was a difficult day for him in light of all the expectations people were carrying for him
but here is why the most important thing in bodybuilding is your response to drugs:
he is a guy who lives the bodybuilding lifestyle EVERY hour of EVERYDAY................ trains like a bodybuilder, eats like a bodybuilders, sleeps like a bodybuilder
has access to some of the top prep minds in the industry, as his personal friends................. and no doubt has acess to some of the best sources in the industry
and with all that behind him.................THIS IS WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE ON STAGE TODAY:
AARON IS ON RIGHT
(http://i34.tinypic.com/pua1h.jpg)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/25ftvmd.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2dj4fwx.jpg)
WHY? cause he has bad bodybuilding genetics and shitty response to hormones...........its nothing he did wrong.........he trained hard, he juiced correctly..............h e diet probably could have been a little more polished, but all in all he did what he was supposed to
he blew up to a doughy 280 in the offseason, and when all was said and done, with all the great gear he has access to , and all the minds he has access to..............when he dieted down, he ended up being a stickly 6'2 215-220......................nothing he did wrong, he just doesnt have a great response to hormones
he was confusing fat for muscle, and when he went into a caloric deficit, most of his muscle disappeared...........
there are some guys, who with a couple of dbol can get leaner and carry more muscle then this............and THIS is an example of why GENETIC RESPONSE to HORMONES is SO IMPORTANT
(im not trying to shit on aaron, i dont have super-response either, he should be proud of himslef, he knows he will never be a IFBB pro..........he was just doign this to drum up attention for his radio show anyway, and it worked)
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Then you already know that if you lack the genetic talent , training habbits and diet discipline to win, all the drugs in the world won't make it happen. THAT is my point! The GH15 types want everyone to think you need the right magic potion.
This way the real secret is the magic drugs, NOT the other stuff.
You have misread what he says..
At the top level it is all genetics and drugs , remove the drugs and genetics alone wont cut it.
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You have misread what he says..
At the top level it is all genetics and drugs , remove the drugs and genetics alone wont cut it.
I don't agree with that. If drugs were taken out of IFBB pro BB, 90% of the same guys would still be top pros.
The drugs enhance everyone and since they all are great talents they all get enhanced. In the end the guy with the best overall genetics, drive and contest prep wins.
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I don't agree with that. If drugs were taken out of IFBB pro BB, 90% of the same guys would still be top pros.
The drugs enhance everyone and since they all are great talents they all get enhanced. In the end the guy with the best overall genetics, drive and contest prep wins.
so ronnie coleman would have won all those contest without drugs?
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not to further shit on aaron singerman, i understand this was a difficult day for him in light of all the expectations people were carrying for him
but here is why the most important thing in bodybuilding is your response to drugs:
he is a guy who lives the bodybuilding lifestyle EVERY hour of EVERYDAY................ trains like a bodybuilder, eats like a bodybuilders, sleeps like a bodybuilder
has access to some of the top prep minds in the industry, as his personal friends................. and no doubt has acess to some of the best sources in the industry
and with all that behind him.................THIS IS WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE ON STAGE TODAY:
AARON IS ON RIGHT
(http://i34.tinypic.com/pua1h.jpg)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/25ftvmd.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2dj4fwx.jpg)
WHY? cause he has bad bodybuilding genetics and shitty response to hormones...........its nothing he did wrong.........he trained hard, he juiced correctly..............h e diet probably could have been a little more polished, but all in all he did what he was supposed to
he blew up to a doughy 280 in the offseason, and when all was said and done, with all the great gear he has access to , and all the minds he has access to..............when he dieted down, he ended up being a stickly 6'2 215-220......................nothing he did wrong, he just doesnt have a great response to hormones
he was confusing fat for muscle, and when he went into a caloric deficit, most of his muscle disappeared...........
there are some guys, who with a couple of dbol can get leaner and carry more muscle then this............and THIS is an example of why GENETIC RESPONSE to HORMONES is SO IMPORTANT
(im not trying to shit on aaron, i dont have super-response either, he should be proud of himslef, he knows he will never be a IFBB pro..........he was just doign this to drum up attention for his radio show anyway, and it worked)
Good post. And no doubt he looked very good in the gym around regular human beings who binge drink 2 to 3 times a week. These same people were no doubt probably blowing his ego sky high. Lets just hope that he steps back and doesn't pull a Mike A. and keep upping the dose. Aaron should just stay lean and get healthy.
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No question! If NOBODY in the Olympia juiced Ronnie would still have won and looked damn impressive albeit lighter and not as freaky.
His 286 ripped was unreal!
but you said its not about drugs....if ronnie has the uber genetics it wouldnt matter if anyone else was on anything...
also...from what your saying...ronnie would also be 286lbs, ripped as ever, without drugs...
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but you said its not about drugs....if ronnie has the uber genetics it wouldnt matter if anyone else was on anything...
also...from what your saying...ronnie would also be 286lbs, ripped as ever, without drugs...
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I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs
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I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs
But you are living in a fantasy world...the fact is there is no real natural be it in bb or other professional sports because records wont get broken or you wont see freaks of nature like Ronnie at his best..sure the geneticly surperior will always be on top but this is what gh15 has said all along..its genetics and drugs to get the look they have.
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not to further shit on aaron singerman, i understand this was a difficult day for him in light of all the expectations people were carrying for him
but here is why the most important thing in bodybuilding is your response to drugs:
he is a guy who lives the bodybuilding lifestyle EVERY hour of EVERYDAY................ trains like a bodybuilder, eats like a bodybuilders, sleeps like a bodybuilder
has access to some of the top prep minds in the industry, as his personal friends................. and no doubt has acess to some of the best sources in the industry
and with all that behind him.................THIS IS WHAT HE LOOKED LIKE ON STAGE TODAY:
AARON IS ON RIGHT
(http://i34.tinypic.com/pua1h.jpg)
(http://i33.tinypic.com/25ftvmd.jpg)
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2dj4fwx.jpg)
WHY? cause he has bad bodybuilding genetics and shitty response to hormones...........its nothing he did wrong.........he trained hard, he juiced correctly..............h e diet probably could have been a little more polished, but all in all he did what he was supposed to
he blew up to a doughy 280 in the offseason, and when all was said and done, with all the great gear he has access to , and all the minds he has access to..............when he dieted down, he ended up being a stickly 6'2 215-220......................nothing he did wrong, he just doesnt have a great response to hormones
he was confusing fat for muscle, and when he went into a caloric deficit, most of his muscle disappeared...........
there are some guys, who with a couple of dbol can get leaner and carry more muscle then this............and THIS is an example of why GENETIC RESPONSE to HORMONES is SO IMPORTANT
(im not trying to shit on aaron, i dont have super-response either, he should be proud of himslef, he knows he will never be a IFBB pro..........he was just doign this to drum up attention for his radio show anyway, and it worked)
hahaha, drugs to look like that? Pathetic. :D
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hahaha, drugs to look like that? Pathetic. :D
well in aarons defense.........
just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler
some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show
jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF and a myriad of other things
its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect
the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little
IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time
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well in aarons defense.........
just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler
some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show
jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF and a myriad of other things
its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect
the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little
IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time
Good post. You can't turn a Ford escort into a Indy race car hehehe. I agree that most who juice seem to use a LOT les then some IFBB pro.
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I don't know Aaron or what he took for drugs. I do know he had to diet his ass off to get this lean looking.
I bet he would be the first to tell ya a drug didn't do his diet nor did a drug get him into the gym. He looks lean and lanky but still built better than 95% of those who ever train in a gym.
I just hope to GOD he doesn't think he needs to find the magic drug potion to transform himself into a 290 lb muscle freak .
THAT is my main pt, no matter who you think is right ( me or GH15) I would hope you recognize that one can't make up for missing genetic talent in any sport. I have seen way too many people end up bitter and disguested over BB becuase they felt they never got the secret potion.
I bet Aaron would look about as good if took NO DRUGS. I mean if you guys say he doesn't respnd well to hormones could he not make the same gains without drugs then?
no, it goes like this:
steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)
but they work better for some then for others
if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter
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well in aarons defense.........
just cause someone uses steroids, does not mean they will look like jay cutler
some choose to use moderate amounts, carry some extra muscle mass. .............and in aaron's case do a show here and there to promote his PT business and radio show
jay cutler uses tons and tons of steroids, grams upon grams and tons of insulin HGH IGF and a myriad of other things
its like with cars.........it would be like saying there is just a ford escort and a ferrari................. .....when in truth we know there are countless cars boasting different performance levels between these two........a ford fusion., corvette, M3.....ect
the point is just cause someone takes steroids does not mean they should be chided for not lookign like an IFBB pro...............some people choose to use a little
IFBB pros chose to use A LOT........for LONG periods of time
I agree. However, is it worth it to take even a moderate amount of drugs to look like that? Hell, I am natural and I sort of look bigger than him. And I definitely don't live the bodybuilding lifestyle. I don't know, it just seems dumb to even take any amount of gear, especially if you're going to look like that, ya know.
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no, it goes like this:
steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)
but they work better for some then for others
if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter
Here is my food for thought .
It is a hell of alot more then ht/wt/body fat and drugs. Arnold is the same ht as Aarron and in Pumping Iron he won the Olympia at 6'2" and weighed in around 226 lbs , hmmm only 9-10 more lbs than this guy. See my point .... Good night , thanks again.
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I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs
You are an idiot.
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The big beef I have with GH15 is how he is 100% certain that a natty can only be "so big" something like a a 5'11" natty could never be over 185 lbs and 6% body fat. I have seen penty of massive "farm boy" types that can lift a ton as well as well as natty bodybuilders that are quite impressive .
I don't disagree with him ,you are anyone else that drugs are a big deal now in the current world of modern pro bodybuilding.
While I admire the big , freaky pros , I prefer a more classic looking (natty? ) physique.
The biggest shows have the biggest expos, fans and media so I enjoy going to them.
Thanks again to everyone who participated in this thread. It ended up being a good debate and exhange of ideas.
this is gettig boring , and you making yourslef look silly
of course there are big old farm boys, and big black dudes that walk around with impressive natural size.................but VERY VERY VERY rarely at single diget Bodyfat................. .and NEVER at 5-6%
your just starting to sound like a clueless old man who the scene past by
works like this...........good rule of thumb............people can get big without steroids, people can get shreaded without steroids................ but NO ONE gets BIG and SHREDDED without steroids., (couple of blacks have amazing genetics, people think they look huge and ripped, but usually the leanness creates the illusion of being big..........most of the black guys who have the best genetics are 5'9 170-175 {add 7lbs per inch of height})
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I don't know Aaron or what he took for drugs. I do know he had to diet his ass off to get this lean looking.
I bet he would be the first to tell ya a drug didn't do his diet nor did a drug get him into the gym. He looks lean and lanky but still built better than 95% of those who ever train in a gym.
I just hope to GOD he doesn't think he needs to find the magic drug potion to transform himself into a 290 lb muscle freak .
THAT is my main pt, no matter who you think is right ( me or GH15) I would hope you recognize that one can't make up for missing genetic talent in any sport. I have seen way too many people end up bitter and disguested over BB becuase they felt they never got the secret potion.
I bet Aaron would look about as good if took NO DRUGS. I mean if you guys say he doesn't respnd well to hormones could he not make the same gains without drugs then?
He probably could have looked close to that doing it natural. Then again, if he looks that bad on gear, he would probably look horrible natural :-\
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You are an idiot.
Yeah, there is no ripped 226 Ronnie Coleman before using drugs. Ronnie never competed without them.
no, it goes like this:
steroids WORK for EVERYONE.........there is no one in the world that steroids wont add muscle to (providing they are dieting, training, ect)
but they work better for some then for others
if aaron is 217 in that photo............with steroids, if he did it naturally, at 6'2.............he probably would have stepped on stage 30-40 lbs lighter
Exactly. It's amazing how clueless Howard is. He wouldn't even be close to that without the drugs. Take off at least 30lbs and add some fat.
I agree. However, is it worth it to take even a moderate amount of drugs to look like that? Hell, I am natural and I sort of look bigger than him. And I definitely don't live the bodybuilding lifestyle. I don't know, it just seems dumb to even take any amount of gear, especially if you're going to look like that, ya know.
He may not look like much on stage but without having seen you I can still say Aaron looks more jacked than you, when in a t-shirt, in a tank top at the gym, etc. Aaron shows all the signs of being on drugs, which no natural does. Like Unsung said, steroids work for everyone, and I bet Aaron is a big dude off stage in the off-season.
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Exactly. It's amazing how clueless Howard is.
He may not look like much on stage but without having seen you I can still say Aaron looks more jacked than you, when in a t-shirt, in a tank top at the gym, etc. Aaron shows all the signs of being on drugs, which no natural does. Like Unsung said, steroids work for everyone, and I bet Aaron is a big dude off stage in the off-season.
Yeah, it was more of a hyperbole. I am sure he is bigger than me. However, I just can't fathom taking drugs to look like that. I just can't. It is actually disconcerting :-\
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Same gene pool
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Howard, you seem like a nice family man
but seriously for fucks sake stop posting on getbig
we dont appreciate the bullshit muscular development head in the sand shit here
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Yeah, it was more of a hyperbole. I am sure he is bigger than me. However, I just can't fathom taking drugs to look like that. I just can't. It is actually disconcerting :-\
At least Aaron has bigger pecs than Fankhouser who is a PRO! :D
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_2417wtmk_DFIUQSFNNW.JPG)
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At least Aaron has bigger pecs than Fankhouser who is a PRO! :D
(http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/JEB_2417wtmk_DFIUQSFNNW.JPG)
But no one has cooler teeth lol :D
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Same gene pool
well, all things considered aaron has a big advantage over mike
mike has been at this shit since the 80s and looks like that.............aaron was a addicted to drugs just two years ago, and not even lifting
so the fact that in this short a time, aaron can get to where mike got in 3 decades, maybe aaron should consider himself lucky
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well, all things considered aaron has a big advantage over mike
mike has been at this shit since the 80s and looks like that.............aaron was a addicted to drugs just two years ago, and not even lifting
so the fact that in this short a time, aaron can get to where mike got in 3 decades, maybe aaron should consider himself lucky
Yeah , but I think money was always a big issue for Mike (still shit genetics)
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I'l make my reply brief and simple.
If everyone juices ( buisiness as usual) Ronnie blows them away at an unreal 286 and ripped.
If nobody juices , Ronnie still wins (in his prime) around 223-6 lbs
are you sure your last name isnt goodcum
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i see what howard is saying. genetics, training, rest do make the bber. i remember an interview with nasser that said you can give a rotweiller and a greyhound the same amount of drugs but the rotweiller is always going to be bigger..or something to that effect.
when you think about it bbing is all genetics. thats why you see some like marcus ruhl he is a freak..now if you gave someone like say dave henry the same amount of drugs would he be as freaky..no.
take flex wheeler. i am sure he took as much as nasser..was he as big..no
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Howard you've been around bb much longer than me...I've been around it 11 years. I have kept my head clear from bullshit and see everything as it is.
1. You, Bob, Tom Prince and just about every pro PUBLICLY underestimate the use of drugs in bodybuilding. No need to divert the conversation by saying all sports use, I'm not talking about all sports, I'm talking about bodybuilding. EVERY PRO uses and at that level EVERY PRO uses alot. The importance of the drugs is demonstrated by watching the drug tested Mr. O Haney competed in...
2. Training while important is overrated. This is demonstrated by the halfass effort you see pros give...NOT ALL PROS. If you have great genetic response to drugs and eat what and when you are supposed to you will grow even training half ass...
3. Food intake is incredibly important. You gotta eat ALOT and not chicken and rice bullshit. I believe this is tied in importance with drugs and drug response. No drugs no pro size, not alot of food no pro size.
4. Drug response nuff said.
Not all pros are lazy or garbage their are diamonds like Jay, Ronnie and Yates that have everything going for them and you can't use these fellas as examples.
Bottom line is you all underestimate drug importance yet when you take drugs out of the equation, look at Mike "Popeye" Morris or like I said the Drug tested O. It's clear as ice.
From what I wrote it may look like I'm saying you don't have to train or pros don't train....FALSE I'm saying if other things are covered, the amount of training and intensity said needed is overrated. important but not as the others.
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like I said
"Have you ever seen Chris Cormier train?"
what about you homosexual piece of shit, have YOU seen him train? ::)
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The big beef I have with GH15 is how he is 100% certain that a natty can only be "so big" something like a a 5'11" natty could never be over 185 lbs and 6% body fat. I have seen penty of massive "farm boy" types that can lift a ton as well as well as natty bodybuilders that are quite impressive .
I don't disagree with him ,you are anyone else that drugs are a big deal now in the current world of modern pro bodybuilding.
While I admire the big , freaky pros , I prefer a more classic looking (natty? ) physique.
The biggest shows have the biggest expos, fans and media so I enjoy going to them.
Thanks again to everyone who participated in this thread. It ended up being a good debate and exhange of ideas.
So you have seen 5'11 farm boys who were over 185 pounds at under 6 % body fat? Amazing.
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what about you homosexual piece of shit, have YOU seen him train? ::)
yeah
he does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
talks to some white girls
does a set
talks on his cell phone
he does this for 2 hours
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Howard you've been around bb much longer than me...I've been around it 11 years. I have kept my head clear from bullshit and see everything as it is.
1. You, Bob, Tom Prince and just about every pro PUBLICLY underestimate the use of drugs in bodybuilding. No need to divert the conversation by saying all sports use, I'm not talking about all sports, I'm talking about bodybuilding. EVERY PRO uses and at that level EVERY PRO uses alot. The importance of the drugs is demonstrated by watching the drug tested Mr. O Haney competed in...
2. Training while important is overrated. This is demonstrated by the halfass effort you see pros give...NOT ALL PROS. If you have great genetic response to drugs and eat what and when you are supposed to you will grow even training half ass...
3. Food intake is incredibly important. You gotta eat ALOT and not chicken and rice bullshit. I believe this is tied in importance with drugs and drug response. No drugs no pro size, not alot of food no pro size.
4. Drug response nuff said.
Not all pros are lazy or garbage their are diamonds like Jay, Ronnie and Yates that have everything going for them and you can't use these fellas as examples.
Bottom line is you all underestimate drug importance yet when you take drugs out of the equation, look at Mike "Popeye" Morris or like I said the Drug tested O. It's clear as ice.
From what I wrote it may look like I'm saying you don't have to train or pros don't train....FALSE I'm saying if other things are covered, the amount of training and intensity said needed is overrated. important but not as the others.
Good post Sir, hit the nail on the head ;)
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Howard you've been around bb much longer than me...I've been around it 11 years. I have kept my head clear from bullshit and see everything as it is.
1. You, Bob, Tom Prince and just about every pro PUBLICLY underestimate the use of drugs in bodybuilding. No need to divert the conversation by saying all sports use, I'm not talking about all sports, I'm talking about bodybuilding. EVERY PRO uses and at that level EVERY PRO uses alot. The importance of the drugs is demonstrated by watching the drug tested Mr. O Haney competed in...
2. Training while important is overrated. This is demonstrated by the halfass effort you see pros give...NOT ALL PROS. If you have great genetic response to drugs and eat what and when you are supposed to you will grow even training half ass...
3. Food intake is incredibly important. You gotta eat ALOT and not chicken and rice bullshit. I believe this is tied in importance with drugs and drug response. No drugs no pro size, not alot of food no pro size.
4. Drug response nuff said.
Not all pros are lazy or garbage their are diamonds like Jay, Ronnie and Yates that have everything going for them and you can't use these fellas as examples.
Bottom line is you all underestimate drug importance yet when you take drugs out of the equation, look at Mike "Popeye" Morris or like I said the Drug tested O. It's clear as ice.
From what I wrote it may look like I'm saying you don't have to train or pros don't train....FALSE I'm saying if other things are covered, the amount of training and intensity said needed is overrated. important but not as the others.
Wiggs, well put.
You dont even have to eat 'clean' now with all the drugs available. Exactly what GH15 said. I know first hand because I am putting it all into practice now aftyer 13yrs of training. I am now bigger and better conditioned than ever before.
A nod also goes to the great Dan Duchaine, well ahead of his time.
There is so much disinformation out there about this facet of weightlifting.
If the truth was ever told to the mass public, the disgust would be amplified x100 than what it is now.
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Mike Asheley 1990 ASC champ after Shawn Ray was busted for the drug test * only yr they tested.
He was clean enough to pass the same drug test others failed!
Ronnie Coleman did NOT win the nationals when he went pro.He was the only finalist in the Hvy wt class to be willing to take and then pass the drug test to go to the IFBB worlds. He got his pro card at the IFBB amatuer worlds at 217 lbs.
Ray was caught, Ashley wasnt. doesnt mean Ashley didnt take drugs.
Like at the 1990 mr o, the show wasnt nattie, they tested for diuretics so the guys came in lighter, worried they wouldnt make it at higher bw. Everybody was using hormones, obviously! they were just softer.
A tested show, was the wbf show where Mike Quinn illustrated what he looks like off. btw, Strydom was the poster boy, clean or not, he was not gona get dqd.
Also, Ronnie did team universe shows, was tested. Is that supposed to mean Ronnie was natural in his top amateur days? Ronnie was juicing in his teens, like unsung said, amazing response. Just because Flex outmassed him in the early 90's, and Ronnie surpassed him by leaps and bounds you're assuming he started juicing later...Flex had maxed out by 93, Ronnie was only upping the dosage, yet to discover growth, slin, synthol.
This tested thing is like saying everyone that passed the test at the olympics was clean, in other words, every champion sprinter incl Bolt, was clean before and after Ben Johnson, cause they werent caught positive for drugs. And Armstrong won all the tour de france's clean, and all the cyclists that dont show up positive for doping, arent doping... c'mon, grow up.
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well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,
1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,
2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything
3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves
4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,
5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,
6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,
7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true natural big fella that was able to get shredded down to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY
8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels
9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,
10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,
11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show
12, jason cutler and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history
13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china
14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and make a lot of money out of your dream
15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,
16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,
17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,
18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding
for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
gh15 approved
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well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,
1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,
2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything
3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves
4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,
5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,
6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,
7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true natural big fella that was able to get shredded down to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY
8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels
9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,
10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,
11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show
12, jason cutler and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history
13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china
14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and make a lot of money out of your dream
15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,
16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,
17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,
18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding
for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
gh15 approved
not only is he a kind god.............he is a GENEROUS god. pay your respects damn you.
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not only is he a kind god.............he is a GENEROUS god. pay your respects damn you.
LOL you dweeb ;D
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LOL you dweeb ;D
haha, i know my place
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well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,
1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,
2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything
3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves
4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,
5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,
6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,
7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true natural big fella that was able to get shredded down to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY
8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels
9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,
10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,
11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show
12, jason cutler and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history
13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china
14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and make a lot of money out of your dream
15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,
16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,
17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,
18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding
for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
gh15 approved
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well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,
1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,
2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything
3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves
4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,
5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,
6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,
7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true natural big fella that was able to get shredded down to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY
8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels
9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,
10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,
11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show
12, jason cutler and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history
13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china
14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and make a lot of money out of your dream
15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,
16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,
17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,
18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding
for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
gh15 approved
The fat blob Howard is sat at home crying now
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Poor Howard :D
Its not too complicated. The genetic foundation must be there from the get-go. If not, no amount of drugs in the world will make you into a pro.
An analogy would be to use a person like Isaac Newton. If Newton didn't have the foundation for intelligence, no amount of studying in the world have made him into a genius. I can study 24/7, and I would probably never be as smart as Newton. And that goes for 99% of the population.
Obviously, Newtons environment played a role in his success, as well as his hard work and determination. So yes, being a pro requires a certain level of hard work, etc. You cant be an IFBB pro if you never train or if you drink a 12 pack every day.
However, the same ingredient played a role in Isaac Newtons and Ronnie Colemans success: genetics.
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Ive been good friends with disgusted for the past two years and we talk on the phone on a weekly basis.
Ever since the beginning he used to always tell me how knowledgable and how he agreed with most if not all what gh15 had to say on getbig.
Then recently we were talking and he said something to me that gh15 had just posted minutes earlier on the board, i asked him, then he got really defensive and said that he didnt read the board anymore and had no clue bout what gh15 had said. He also tried to convince me that gh15 was someone else who used to post here.
Then i noticed a few similarities............ ....
Disgusted says most pros are all drugs and they both recommend similar drug cycles.
They both hate doggcrapp/genecrapp and think hes a snake oil salesman.
They both think phil heath is all drugs and say the exact same things bout him.
Those are just a few, but i think they are the same guy.
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wrong
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So youre saying Disgusted is a massive drug dealer!?
I need to PM him!
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i might be wrong, but i may be right.
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i might be wrong, but i may be right.
if you read everything he wrote ... you will see that gh15 is a top competitor also .... his eating advice is also diff than Jim's
gh15 is Dennis James ... you don't need to be smart to figure it out .. he dropped plenty of clues
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Ive been good friends with disgusted for the past two years and we talk on the phone on a weekly basis.
Ever since the beginning he used to always tell me how knowledgable and how he agreed with most if not all what gh15 had to say on getbig.
Then recently we were talking and he said something to me that gh15 had just posted minutes earlier on the board, i asked him, then he got really defensive and said that he didnt read the board anymore and had no clue bout what gh15 had said. He also tried to convince me that gh15 was someone else who used to post here.
Then i noticed a few similarities............ ....
Disgusted says most pros are all drugs and they both recommend similar drug cycles.
They both hate doggcrapp/genecrapp and think hes a snake oil salesman.
They both think phil heath is all drugs and say the exact same things bout him.
Those are just a few, but i think they are the same guy.
Ask him what he charges for Red Tops sent US domestic.
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im suprised you would post this! :o did you ask jim before doing so? ;D it owuld be nice to know for certain who it is at last, but it really doesnt matter who it is.
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if you read everything he wrote ... you will see that gh15 is a top competitor also .... his eating advice is also diff than Jim's
gh15 is Dennis James ... you don't need to be smart to figure it out .. he dropped plenty of clues
so...why dont you fill us in space man? he's ethnic european. dj does have the german connection. but gh isnt a black guy. could be one of the guys from the roid board who would know this board well and how to play it?
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if you read everything he wrote ... you will see that gh15 is a top competitor also .... his eating advice is also diff than Jim's
gh15 is Dennis James ... you don't need to be smart to figure it out .. he dropped plenty of clues
thats what i thought too, but jim has worked with many top competitors and hung backstage at a ton of shows, so he could talk just like he was a pro.
he has dropped clues, but lots were too obvious, it might just be someone trying to throw us off.
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im suprised you would post this! :o did you ask jim before doing so? ;D it owuld be nice to know for certain who it is at last, but it really doesnt matter who it is.
lol, no i didnt ask jim.
im sure ill get a call later today lol.
but gh15 is a knowledgable guy, i wouldnt be surprised if disgusted has been playin us all for a fool all along.
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Ive been good friends with disgusted for the past two years and we talk on the phone on a weekly basis.
Ever since the beginning he used to always tell me how knowledgable and how he agreed with most if not all what gh15 had to say on getbig.
Then recently we were talking and he said something to me that gh15 had just posted minutes earlier on the board, i asked him, then he got really defensive and said that he didnt read the board anymore and had no clue bout what gh15 had said. He also tried to convince me that gh15 was someone else who used to post here.
Then i noticed a few similarities............ ....
Disgusted says most pros are all drugs and they both recommend similar drug cycles.
They both hate doggcrapp/genecrapp and think hes a snake oil salesman.
They both think phil heath is all drugs and say the exact same things bout him.
Those are just a few, but i think they are the same guy.
Flex, do you cam with him too and use a microphone? ;)
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thats what i thought too, but jim has worked with many top competitors and hung backstage at a ton of shows, so he could talk just like he was a pro.
he has dropped clues, but lots were too obvious, it might just be someone trying to throw us off.
no... he said he will never lie
he said at least top 15 Mr O ... but also a contender for the title hopefully ... 90's generation ... has to be Dennis .. also Jim is too polite ;D
gh15 has a swagger to him .. his energetic signature when he posts is Dennises .. I get his mental picture
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gh15 has made posts during the O weekend. i guess that's how his prep gets f##ked everytime if he is dennis. ::)
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gh15 has made posts during the O weekend. i guess that's how his prep gets f##ked everytime if he is dennis. ::)
disgusted was @ home olympia weekend posting away on getbig!
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gh15 is def not DJ
ive met DJ before and hes dumb as shit
he could never be gh15
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Hahaha well I have to admit there have been times that I have read GH15's posts and thought it was something that I may have posted. ;D I'll say these two things. One, no one knows FOR SURE who he is. Second, Ron told me a while ago on the phone who he thought GH15 was and it wasn't a pro. If anyone knows it would be Ron. ;)
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disgusted was @ home olympia weekend posting away on getbig!
sorry...i dont know who disgusted is, dont remember his posts. i'm just saying the gh15 is ethnic euro guy or of descent. here is another pt: the romanian is just ghetto enough to use "swagger" which is more common with bros...not a term white guys in north america use. and he fits the bill as a poor, ethnic, east european. what is disgusted's ethnic origin?
and gh dont lie. how the hell you think dj got out that mess in thailand?
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Hahaha well I have to admit there have been times that I have read GH15's posts and thought it was something that I may have posted. ;D I'll say these two things. One, no one knows FOR SURE who he is. Second, Ron told me a while ago on the phone who he thought GH15 was and it wasn't a pro. If anyone knows it would be Ron. ;)
well played my friend.
let me just ask u one question, did your heart skip a couple of beats when u saw the title of this thread?
And guys, this thread was started not so much because of what disgusted says online, but what he says IRL!
believe me fellas, the similarities are there and i had to start this thread! I dont care if it jeopardizes our friendship or not!
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GH15 is Goodrum. The physical similarities are exact
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well played my friend.
let me just ask u one question, did your heart skip a couple of beats when u saw the title of this thread?
And guys, this thread was started not so much because of what disgusted says online, but what he says IRL!
believe me fellas, the similarities are there and i had to start this thread! I dont care if it jeopardizes our friendship or not!
Two things that you are assuming. One you are correct on the other um nope. ;)
1. We are friends
2. Disgusted is GH15
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GH15 is definetly Disgusted by this thread
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Two things that you are assuming. One you are correct on the other um nope. ;)
1. We are friends
2. Disgusted is GH15
And i thought we WERE friends.
I guess when u out someone they dont wanna be your friend anymore.
Whatever.
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gh15 is:
not an americano
likes football (some call it soccer)
likes good music (80's music)
is an ifbb top pro
calls milos "mishko"
with just those clues you can figure out easily who gh15 is. Some people just don't know how to think...
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And i thought we WERE friends.
I guess when u out someone they dont wanna be your friend anymore.
Whatever.
Since you never betrayed my confidence we can be friends. ;D If you really want to know if I'm GH15 just ask GH15, he's an honest man so I'm sure he'll tell you the truth. :D
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gh15 is:
not an americano
likes football (some call it soccer)
likes good music (80's music)
is an ifbb top pro
calls milos "mishko"
with just those clues you can figure out easily who gh15 is. Some people just don't know how to think...
one of the strongest pros
chest is best bodypart
likes to workout barefoot
multicultural and also multilingual
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Since you never betrayed my confidence we can be friends. ;D If you really want to know if I'm GH15 just ask GH15, he's an honest man so I'm sure he'll tell you the truth. :D
wow, speaking in circles now.
maybe we can be friends again after u admit that you're gh15!
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wow, speaking in circles now.
maybe we can be friends again after u admit that you're gh15!
Friends AGAIN??
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Friends AGAIN??
break out the lube....its gonna get rough...
bench
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gh15 is not Dennis James.
My guess is that he
Is not white, but could be of mixed ethnicity (like Nasser)
Wasn't born in America, but lives there and has been doing so for a few years
Is / was a top 10 pro, or at least worked closely with someone like that
Is well travelled
Is at least in his early to mid 30s, if not older
started juicing well before he hit his peak naturally
Most people here have a very short memory span, but those who don't will remember that his posts read normally in the beginning, when he started posting after the Craig Titus fiasco. Compare that writing to the writings of pros or the industry people scattered all over the net and you can find out who he is.
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Friends AGAIN??
lets just keep this on the boards! and not personal.
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sorry...i dont know who disgusted is, dont remember his posts. i'm just saying the gh15 is ethnic euro guy or of descent. here is another pt: the romanian is just ghetto enough to use "swagger" which is more common with bros...not a term white guys in north america use. and he fits the bill as a poor, ethnic, east european. what is disgusted's ethnic origin?
and gh dont lie. how the hell you think dj got out that mess in thailand?
You know jack shit about cracker and our swagger, stick to what you know......trannies and how to beg for money while selling "chicle" at the border. :-*
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You know jack shit about cracker and our swagger, stick to what you know......trannies and how to beg for money while selling "chicle" at the border. :-*
He sure is obsessed with culture and race and all that shit, isnt he?
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He sure is obsessed with culture and race and all that shit, isnt he?
;)
only when i post on getbig...because it fits with the get-uncultured climate.
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only when i post on getbig...because it fits with the get-uncultured climate.
Yes, because chasing iguanas for dinner = culture. ::)
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Get ron to trace his ip. Then figure out what pros live in that area
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lets just keep this on the boards! and not personal.
OK, but no need to get your posing thongs trunks in a bunch.
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gh15 is not Dennis James.
My guess is that he
Is not white, but could be of mixed ethnicity (like Nasser)
Wasn't born in America, but lives there and has been doing so for a few years
Is / was a top 10 pro, or at least worked closely with someone like that
Is well travelled
Is at least in his early to mid 30s, if not older
started juicing well before he hit his peak naturally
Most people here have a very short memory span, but those who don't will remember that his posts read normally in the beginning, when he started posting after the Craig Titus fiasco. Compare that writing to the writings of pros or the industry people scattered all over the net and you can find out who he is.
He is like those internet experts on any conspiracy topic you want , from Area 51 to who killed Kennedy. They always have the "true inside info", but nobody can ever verify any of their bullshit . Of course they would tell you who they are but they can't "risk it" as someone is out to get them like the CIA hehehe...sad but so true.
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oh yea,
the day michael jackson died, disgusted texted me damn near in tears.
just another coincidence?
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its nasser. alex23 told me so.
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its nasser. alex23 told me so.
dont believe alex, he just sent me a text that said nassar knows who gh15 is.
saying nassar was gh15 was just a ploy to get traffic to his fledgeling site.
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Unless you post who you are , and your actual education and experience in BB, you are little more than an internet numnut looking for 15 min of fame. Keep hidden behind the cpu and keep your sweethearts happy hehehehe
I am calling you out sweety :-*
I agree with a previous poster and you seem like a good guy and a family man but God is right here. You've been doing this for years now. You come on here once or twice a year to challenge GOH and you always get your ass handed to you. Why? What do you hope to accomplish? We already know part of the reason gh15 says what he says. He wants to expose bodybuilding and modern sports for what it is and buy HG americano or european testosterona. When you say you are calling him out what do you mean? Calling him out where? If he says he's Goonter,,, Beatifulman with glasess,,, DJ,,,, what would that change?
You either think what he says makes sense or you don't.
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gh15 is:
not an americano
likes football (some call it soccer)
likes good music (80's music)
is an ifbb top pro
calls milos "mishko"
with just those clues you can figure out easily who gh15 is. Some people just don't know how to think...
And he calls Cutler "Jason" and Ron "Yaroni" and Titus "Murderer."
So all fingers must point to.....
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LOL ass handed to me? Really? How can some clown with fake internet identity hand anyone there ass except in THE MATRIX.
The guys ONLY exists as an expert ON LINE in forums. I just enjoy messing with this douchebag and crack up over how sooo many think he is a real expert hehehehehe.
Look unless GH15 proves me wrong by revealing who he is, his actual education and background in BB.
Short of doing that , I call bullshit on this clown and know he will keep hiding behind his cpu like most do on these forums.
How does revealing who he is, his education, and background in BB prove you wrong?
You cannot get to the top without drugs. You can without training particularly hard or following a good diet most to the year (as long as you eat enough calories and protein no matter where it comes from).
And reread the thread. You are getting your ass handed to you whether you know it or not.
But please tell us? Who do you think is a real expert? Layne Norton, Skip Lacour, Dante?
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dont believe alex, he just sent me a text that said nassar knows who gh15 is.
saying nassar was gh15 was just a ploy to get traffic to his fledgeling site.
wel he didnt tell me nasser was gh15, he told me about a conversation he had with nasser and nasser saying that he didnt want to comment on it, because if something ever came out he didnt want to have to be suspicious of alex. alex is probably going to be pissed that im posting this ;D
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dont believe alex, he just sent me a text that said nassar knows who gh15 is.
saying nassar was gh15 was just a ploy to get traffic to his fledgeling site.
Nasser El Sonbaty - there are 15 letters in that name. Coincidence?
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There was a GH15 thread that Milos posted in a while back an when GH saw that it was Milos he greeted him and said it was "ROLAND"..
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I like your Newton example here . Look, I am no expert but neither are any of these so called internet gurus . THAT is my pt.
Some numbnut comes on a spouts some crap and he is the hormone GOD hehehe. Next he will convince you to join him on a hillside to wait for the end of the world and to fly with him to Uranus . hehe
I mean, none of us are experts. However, genetics plays a HUGE role in where you will wind up. It is not the only factor that comes into play. Nonetheless, when it comes to certain endeavors, it is EXTREMELY important!
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If Disgusted was GH15 he is a busy man on the net. Disgusted is Magnum.
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wel he didnt tell me nasser was gh15, he told me about a conversation he had with nasser and nasser saying that he didnt want to comment on it, because if something ever came out he didnt want to have to be suspicious of alex. alex is probably going to be pissed that im posting this ;D
he'll get over it. dont worry.
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Ya know what? I really don't care about Gh15 or his silly claims. He has a perfect right to post them and if others believe him, well fine.
(I went back and just removed my last few posts about him as I'm done with it.). In my opinion he is full of shit and I will leave it at that.
Sure, great genetics and extreme drug use is a part of being a top IFBB pro . BUT to me, and for 99% of us in bodybuilding, that isn't our reality.
Look at a young guy like Leafy Bug who just posted his contest prep pics. He isn't a freak and I seriously doubt he uses a lot of juice. I do know he has trained hard, dieted his ass off and produced a damn impressive, conditioned physique.
I am lot more intersted in that reality than any pro or con theory about extreme steroid use.
I am no expert on drugs in bodybuilding nor do I claim to be. I only know that you don't need a lot of juice to develop a decent, regional contest physique and enjoy the sport of bodybuilding. THAT is what I think is important.
How do you know what leafybug uses ? if you were to ask him he would tell you but it will be a lie anyway , bb lie about there doses end of..
One things for certain he has some nasty gyno going on now either he is very prone or he is using a shit load of gear.
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drugs are only for finishing touches...right?
yeah right.
drugs are 99.9% of being a pro BB. the more you push, and the better you respond to them, the better the results.
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If drugs were 99,9% of what it takes to be a pro bb then every gym would have at least one pro and there would be big guys everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, there is no bodybuilding as we know it without drugs but without the right genes you're not going to be a huge pro no matter how much you take.
You still gotta train and eat also...
There are thousands of people on >3grams of hormones , most of them still look like shit..
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here we go again ::)
best advice I have is for you to experiment in reality - learn, observe, talk, participate
you will find the answers and personal convictions you seek through this and not just the opinions of a few men...
in short there isn't one answer and many differences in the question - use your own critical thought
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Yeah I agree ..
if you get on the juice you'll realize that it matters a lot in bodybuilding but the term "all drugs" is still bs - "all genes" would be more appropriate.
When my best friend and I did our first cycle together I really started to see how important genetics are. I was counting calories , eating every 2-3hrs , stuffing myself with protein , never went out without some chicken/boiled eggs/thuna/protein shake , busted my ass in the gym at least 4 times a week etc... basically just living the bb lifestyle. My friend on the other hand never cared too much about nutrition, skipped a workout here and there, drank a lot of alcohol - pretty much the opposite of what I was doing... guess who made the better gains ? Yep it was my friend .. his arms got so big that I was really frustrated - I remember that one time when we finished our workout and I was rushing to the locker room to get in my post-workout-shake as quickly as possible while he was standing outside of the gym and smoking a cigarette and not having a proper meal for at least an hour or so.
Bottom line is : You're either made to be a big guy or not. Of course everyone can get bigger and muscular but only within their own limitations... just enjoy life and don't care too much about being a 250+ freak and don't chase the wrong dreams. I'm just overall happier after I accepted that fact and just stay in good shape all year round without using a lot of drugs and without heavy bulking with bloated face..
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Yeah I agree ..
if you get on the juice you'll realize that it matters a lot in bodybuilding but the term "all drugs" is still bs - "all genes" would be more appropriate.
When my best friend and I did our first cycle together I really started to see how important genetics are. I was counting calories , eating every 2-3hrs , stuffing myself with protein , never went out without some chicken/boiled eggs/thuna/protein shake , busted my ass in the gym at least 4 times a week etc... basically just living the bb lifestyle. My friend on the other hand never cared too much about nutrition, skipped a workout here and there, drank a lot of alcohol - pretty much the opposite of what I was doing... guess who made the better gains ? Yep it was my friend .. his arms got so big that I was really frustrated - I remember that one time when we finished our workout and I was rushing to the locker room to get in my post-workout-shake as quickly as possible while he was standing outside of the gym and smoking a cigarette and not having a proper meal for at least an hour or so.
Bottom line is : You're either made to be a big guy or not. Of course everyone can get bigger and muscular but only within their own limitations... just enjoy life and don't care too much about being a 250+ freak and don't chase the wrong dreams. I'm just overall happier after I accepted that fact and just stay in good shape all year round without using a lot of drugs and without heavy bulking with bloated face..
Your friend probably ended up consuming more calories and used more drugs
i.e. his "reckless" behaviours extended to peds (performance enhancing drugs) and nutrition
But its good that you say you are happy
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friends,,first i can not answer every pm and mail im getting ,,i have career,,not to forget when im here i answer so dont bombard me with million question,,
now,,i cant respond to each individually in posts,,i answer as a whole,,gh15 came to getbig with the promise to remain anonymous,,thats that and thats how it should stay so howard know it and should respect it ,,notice gh15 information is never up to dabate by the close circles because IT IS TRUE information ,,why? because i HAVE done it for years over years hands on my own self,,all the talkers never nailed top 10 o placings,,the gurus and the know it all talk from hear say,,i tell you how it work because i DO IT and doen it for many years,,
i gave you bible in the last 6 years,,this bible shoulud be read even by the elder know it all mislead generation that still live in illusion ,,this is how modern bodybuilder truly is ,,and the older generation didnt go up to 30 units of gh because they didnt HAVE gh,,
its very common to see now days 20-30 units of gh in light heavy clases in national competitions around the world not only in americana,,the use of aas is at all time high,,and any one who ever wanna get close to win a national show as AMATUER knows what they have to do ,,its not if or what or if genetics this or that ,,there is specific protocol that is followed ,,its base,,
the dantas of the world,,the howards of the world ,,the massive gs of the world ,,and many more corrupt people in the cult want you to belivee one thing because they MAKE MONEY OF YOU ,,they have agenda in the supplement industry or just never had the courage to actually do what it takes due to illusions,,lies fed by arnie and his generation from reeves days ,,and ofcourse many other flees on the back of this cult called modern bodybuilding,,
you can see in one posting fellas liek getny say they use 20mg dianabol,,then a year later it become testosterona dbol anadrol gh and trenbolona with some horse eq and dog winstrol,,bodybuilders are LIARS,,we lie,,thats what we do for living ,,lie and thats why we are at the shit we are in as a sport and became a cult ....due to the severe abuse of aas and hormones in general ,,and gh15 is not even talking about the use of narcotics in bodybuilding which is there my friends that includes ivs,,
i told you before YOU CAN MAKE A CHIWAWA INTO A PITBALL,,i can take that kid leafy and make him to a top amatuer which he is far from now with the addition of aas and hormones into the higher grams,,he is just playing with gym rat dosages and minimal boards products delivered from china and integraded with hg but still he play with little shit and it look like it ,,thats why he isi stuc and will not advance till he up the game and he will up the game because he want to advance,,
the doses howard talk about that he himself used for many years are good enough for locals,,and thats exactly where you are left when doing them ,,third place local mr phenix arizona,,you cant do much more than that beside gettig complements that you look good but in reality it doesnt cut it in modern bodybuilding,,
you fellas need to look and see what kuclo were doing ,,thats more like the BEGGINING of the road into the pros even though he is gonna have to work at it few more years ,,but thats where its at and the misleaders dont want you to know it because the moment you do their illusion is finished and you would spit at their faces like many of you do now,,
mr howard,, when it comes to bodybuilding gh15 is known as the final authority ,,there is nothing above me,,unlike bodybuilders who can reveal their names i cant because moment i do i will have to be like them and that will make me a liar,,
look for a list i will write later on ,,it will outline the worst liars in the industry ,,look for it it will be interesting,,
gh15 approved
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fellas ,, relax with the bombarding noticing me about bodybuilder say this about gh15 say that about gh15,,this is going for 6 years already its not new,,i understand this character got into an icon stage,,i never wished for it ,,the gh15 character came because its TRUE LIFE OF A PROFESSIONAL,,that what it was meant to be ,,stop asking if i want money for biographies,,no i dont need a job i have a contract,,no i dont need money i make enough of it and live very good,,i dont want supplement on my name and i WILL make sure that anyhone that use gh15 name to promote over the counter garbage supplement pay heavily,,the name gh15 is a get big icon name and will for ever remain on getbig no matter what money wil be offer,,the privacy is very important in this indutry when it comes to truth telling,,
if i count the time the name gh15 is said in one single day on boards around the world i would lose my mind ,,i dont need to know about what people say and what people think ,, all i came here for is FOR YOU THE YOUNGER BODYBUILDER TO KNOW THE TRUTH,,
thats that,,
gh15 approved
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Nope I was consuming way more calories than him.
I wasn't always eating clean , most of the times I ate just tons of foods including mcdonalds and sweets ... never was under 4500 kcal a day.
We also used the same amounts , he was getting his gear from me and we often did injected at the same time.
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Finishing touches often cost schomoes extra dollars.
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Finishing touches often cost schomoes extra dollars.
:D
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Anybody can get BIG. you are delusional if you don't think so. Bodybuilding SIZE WISE is ALL DRUGS. the top guys are the top guys because they have better shape then fellow competitors/better conditioned. And most people can't obtain all the drugs top pros have nor how to use them nor can afford them.
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Getting gear is easy in most places and aas + slin are cheap. The only expensive thing is the growth hormone.
Even a student can easily afford 3grams of aas a week.
And do you really think most of the pros have a lot of knowledge in that field ? Most competitors I know are pretty dumb and just take everything they can get their hands on / or what their dealer suggests. Of course there are exceptions .. but it's not rocket science anyway.
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friends,,first i can not answer every pm and mail im getting ,,i have career,,not to forget when im here i answer so dont bombard me with million question,,
now,,i cant respond to each individually in posts,,i answer as a whole,,gh15 came to getbig with the promise to remain anonymous,,thats that and thats how it should stay so howard know it and should respect it ,,notice gh15 information is never up to dabate by the close circles because IT IS TRUE information ,,why? because i HAVE done it for years over years hands on my own self,,all the talkers never nailed top 10 o placings,,the gurus and the know it all talk from hear say,,i tell you how it work because i DO IT and doen it for many years,,
i gave you bible in the last 6 years,,this bible shoulud be read even by the elder know it all mislead generation that still live in illusion ,,this is how modern bodybuilder truly is ,,and the older generation didnt go up to 30 units of gh because they didnt HAVE gh,,
its very common to see now days 20-30 units of gh in light heavy clases in national competitions around the world not only in americana,,the use of aas is at all time high,,and any one who ever wanna get close to win a national show as AMATUER knows what they have to do ,,its not if or what or if genetics this or that ,,there is specific protocol that is followed ,,its base,,
the dantas of the world,,the howards of the world ,,the massive gs of the world ,,and many more corrupt people in the cult want you to belivee one thing because they MAKE MONEY OF YOU ,,they have agenda in the supplement industry or just never had the courage to actually do what it takes due to illusions,,lies fed by arnie and his generation from reeves days ,,and ofcourse many other flees on the back of this cult called modern bodybuilding,,
you can see in one posting fellas liek getny say they use 20mg dianabol,,then a year later it become testosterona dbol anadrol gh and trenbolona with some horse eq and dog winstrol,,bodybuilders are LIARS,,we lie,,thats what we do for living ,,lie and thats why we are at the shit we are in as a sport and became a cult ....due to the severe abuse of aas and hormones in general ,,and gh15 is not even talking about the use of narcotics in bodybuilding which is there my friends that includes ivs,,
i told you before YOU CAN MAKE A CHIWAWA INTO A PITBALL,,i can take that kid leafy and make him to a top amatuer which he is far from now with the addition of aas and hormones into the higher grams,,he is just playing with gym rat dosages and minimal boards products delivered from china and integraded with hg but still he play with little shit and it look like it ,,thats why he isi stuc and will not advance till he up the game and he will up the game because he want to advance,,
the doses howard talk about that he himself used for many years are good enough for locals,,and thats exactly where you are left when doing them ,,third place local mr phenix arizona,,you cant do much more than that beside gettig complements that you look good but in reality it doesnt cut it in modern bodybuilding,,
you fellas need to look and see what kuclo were doing ,,thats more like the BEGGINING of the road into the pros even though he is gonna have to work at it few more years ,,but thats where its at and the misleaders dont want you to know it because the moment you do their illusion is finished and you would spit at their faces like many of you do now,,
mr howard,, when it comes to bodybuilding gh15 is known as the final authority ,,there is nothing above me,,unlike bodybuilders who can reveal their names i cant because moment i do i will have to be like them and that will make me a liar,,
look for a list i will write later on ,,it will outline the worst liars in the industry ,,look for it it will be interesting,,
gh15 approved
For starters I make no money off of BB as you claim by lumping me in with othersthat do. 2nd, I teach physics for a living and never competed in any Mr Pheonix, etc. You have some interesting ideas but without any VERIFICATION it is all heresay and take your word for it. You might be legit, you might be full of shit, who knows, good luck.
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Pretty soon Howard will be back to teaching and oogling his female students so we won't have to worry about threads like this.
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fellas ,, relax with the bombarding noticing me about bodybuilder say this about gh15 say that about gh15,,this is going for 6 years already its not new,,i understand this character got into an icon stage,,i never wished for it ,,the gh15 character came because its TRUE LIFE OF A PROFESSIONAL,,that what it was meant to be ,,stop asking if i want money for biographies,,no i dont need a job i have a contract,,no i dont need money i make enough of it and live very good,,i dont want supplement on my name and i WILL make sure that anyhone that use gh15 name to promote over the counter garbage supplement pay heavily,,the name gh15 is a get big icon name and will for ever remain on getbig no matter what money wil be offer,,the privacy is very important in this indutry when it comes to truth telling,,
if i count the time the name gh15 is said in one single day on boards around the world i would lose my mind ,,i dont need to know about what people say and what people think ,, all i came here for is FOR YOU THE YOUNGER BODYBUILDER TO KNOW THE TRUTH,,
thats that,,
gh15 approved
I didn't (or couldn't) read this jibberish but is this other guy who is outing you, someone you told you swallowed but spit it up on his dashboard and he is pissed.
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Anybody can get BIG. you are delusional if you don't think so. Bodybuilding SIZE WISE is ALL DRUGS. the top guys are the top guys because they have better shape then fellow competitors/better conditioned. And most people can't obtain all the drugs top pros have nor how to use them nor can afford them.
Bingo,
All the drugs in the world won't give you the genetic shape/structure of Flex Wheeler or Cedric Mcmillan
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Bingo,
All the drugs in the world won't give you the genetic shape/structure of Flex Wheeler or Cedric Mcmillan
EXACTLY! Take the top guys in each wt class at the NPC nationals. In most yrs , 1 or 2 guys stand out in the line up.
Considering most guys in each class are similar in: wt, ht and stature; use similar drugs and diet regimes, it comes down to shape and conditioning.
For example, there are a lot of 5'9" 190's lb, ripped to the bone Lt Hvys that compete. Not too many look anything close to Frank Zane when he won his 3 Olympias.
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Pretty soon Howard will be back to teaching and oogling his female students so we won't have to worry about threads like this.
LOL whatever :P
Seriously dude , I have been teaching for over 20 yrs and always treat all my students with respect.
I know it sounds corney but I take pride in having ethics as a career teacher. Last yr I had a real victory. I was teaching 2 exam prep classes ( total 42 students) that had failed the state science graduation exam as jr's. As 12th graders they took the re-test after being in my prep class and 100% of them, passed. YUP! All went on to graduate.
I know you guys crack on me and maybe I am not much in bodybuilding. BUT, in all modesty I do a decent job teaching HS science.
Thanks for listening to me brag. Take care, gotta go work legs...yikes :o
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If drugs were 99,9% of what it takes to be a pro bb then every gym would have at least one pro and there would be big guys everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, there is no bodybuilding as we know it without drugs but without the right genes you're not going to be a huge pro no matter how much you take.
You still gotta train and eat also...
There are thousands of people on >3grams of hormones , most of them still look like shit..
To even compete at the higher levels of "pro" bodybuilding you must use anabolic steroids so being a pro is dependent on drug use. It is physically impossible for 99.9 percent of the population, including those who are professional bodybuilders, to obtain the size and cuts without drugs, period.
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fellas ,, relax with the bombarding noticing me about bodybuilder say this about gh15 say that about gh15,,this is going for 6 years already its not new,,i understand this character got into an icon stage,,i never wished for it ,,the gh15 character came because its TRUE LIFE OF A PROFESSIONAL,,that what it was meant to be ,,stop asking if i want money for biographies,,no i dont need a job i have a contract,,no i dont need money i make enough of it and live very good,,i dont want supplement on my name and i WILL make sure that anyhone that use gh15 name to promote over the counter garbage supplement pay heavily,,the name gh15 is a get big icon name and will for ever remain on getbig no matter what money wil be offer,,the privacy is very important in this indutry when it comes to truth telling,,
if i count the time the name gh15 is said in one single day on boards around the world i would lose my mind ,,i dont need to know about what people say and what people think ,, all i came here for is FOR YOU THE YOUNGER BODYBUILDER TO KNOW THE TRUTH,,
thats that,,
gh15 approved
What are your thoughts on the LST-7 protocol?
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If drugs were 99,9% of what it takes to be a pro bb then every gym would have at least one pro and there would be big guys everywhere.
Don't get me wrong, there is no bodybuilding as we know it without drugs but without the right genes you're not going to be a huge pro no matter how much you take.
You still gotta train and eat also...
There are thousands of people on >3grams of hormones , most of them still look like shit..
nope. you are interpreting the 99.9% as 1 in 1 thousand of all people..not 1 in 1 thousand of those who do gear.
in most gyms there's a few people doing gear. so you might see a huge guy in every few gyms.
the point im making is that genes define what you will look like with gear, and its response to it.
there are loads of people with great genes who either dont do gear at all, or choose to not do massive amounts of it.
great genes will make you look good, no doubt. But its the massive amounts of drugs that make a pro- make no mistake about it.
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Anybody can get BIG. you are delusional if you don't think so. Bodybuilding SIZE WISE is ALL DRUGS. the top guys are the top guys because they have better shape then fellow competitors/better conditioned. And most people can't obtain all the drugs top pros have nor how to use them nor can afford them.
This is correct. When you think about it, per every succesfull bodybuilder there are 100 guys who are as big as he is, but they lack something that makes them lose against the better bodybuilders.
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Guys, on a serious note here just this once. ;D What GH15 says on here is pretty much correct. I could nitpick with a few things, but it's not enough to even bother with. At the stage of BBing today, it's all drugs. Howard and other people like to say that take the drugs away and the same guys would be winning and this is absolutely NOT true. In 1990 when they drug tested the Olympia the guy that suffered the most IMO was Lee Haney. The tall guys in general suffered the most. Guys like Labrada and Ray still maintained a pretty decent physique. The exception was Gaspari, but he was all drugs and always was. Genetics is not just one thing!! Look at Dorian and some of the other guys before they started lifting and you would never be able to single them out as being even a top amateur. Genetics is response to drugs, shape of muscle etc, plus of course diet and going to the gym which matters least. Lifting weights is not a complicated matter and never was. Anyone who buys Arnold's Encyclopedia and takes a few weeks to learn will then know enough about how to lift weights. All this other fancy stuff as far as lifting routines is complete BULLSHIT!!
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Guys, on a serious note here just this once. ;D What GH15 says on here is pretty much correct. I could nitpick with a few things, but it's not enough to even bother with. At the stage of BBing today, it's all drugs. Howard and other people like to say that take the drugs away and the same guys would be winning and this is absolutely NOT true. In 1990 when they drug tested the Olympia the guy that suffered the most IMO was Lee Haney. The tall guys in general suffered the most. Guys like Labrada and Ray still maintained a pretty decent physique. The exception was Gaspari, but he was all drugs and always was. Genetics is not just one thing!! Look at Dorian and some of the other guys before they started lifting and you would never be able to single them out as being even a top amateur. Genetics is response to drugs, shape of muscle etc, plus of course diet and going to the gym which matters least. Lifting weights is not a complicated matter and never was. Anyone who buys Arnold's Encyclopedia and takes a few weeks to learn will then know enough about how to lift weights. All this other fancy stuff as far as lifting routines is complete BULLSHIT!!
Ouch, you just crushed alot of egos Jimmy, I hope you're ready for a 10k backlash!!
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Ouch, you just crushed alot of egos Jimmy, I hope you're ready for a 10k backlash!!
;D Well, I was one of those young kids that got lied too. I went for years wasting my fuking time thinking that I would turn pro naturally. I thought that if I lifted really hard that I would magically grow like the pros did. I tried every Goddamned training routine know to man. Then I found out the truth and if I could go back in time I'd smash some of these fukin liars in the face with a 50 lb dumbbell. At least be honest and let a man make his decision based on the truth instead of pissing down his back and telling him it's raining.
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Guys, on a serious note here just this once. ;D What GH15 says on here is pretty much correct. I could nitpick with a few things, but it's not enough to even bother with. At the stage of BBing today, it's all drugs. Howard and other people like to say that take the drugs away and the same guys would be winning and this is absolutely NOT true. In 1990 when they drug tested the Olympia the guy that suffered the most IMO was Lee Haney. The tall guys in general suffered the most. Guys like Labrada and Ray still maintained a pretty decent physique. The exception was Gaspari, but he was all drugs and always was. Genetics is not just one thing!! Look at Dorian and some of the other guys before they started lifting and you would never be able to single them out as being even a top amateur. Genetics is response to drugs, shape of muscle etc, plus of course diet and going to the gym which matters least. Lifting weights is not a complicated matter and never was. Anyone who buys Arnold's Encyclopedia and takes a few weeks to learn will then know enough about how to lift weights. All this other fancy stuff as far as lifting routines is complete BULLSHIT!!
thank you!!!
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the part about training being the least important is off base. some might feel that way if theyve always trained correctly, or at least they never over trained or undertrained. but lifting weights, and doing it correctly (progressive overload, adequate recovery), is just as important as taking steroids. one doesnt work without the other.
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the part about training being the least important is off base. some might feel that way if theyve always trained correctly, or at least they never over trained or undertrained. but lifting weights, and doing it correctly (progressive overload, adequate recovery), is just as important as taking steroids. one doesnt work without the other.
What I said is not disputable. Reread what I said very carefully and you might understand why.
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What I said is not disputable.
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What I said is not disputable. Reread what I said very carefully and you might understand why.
you operate on the assumption that lifting weights isnt complicated. id say that 80% of weighlifters dont understand the basics. id also say that the reason most long term juicers dont look like the pros is because they arent training and eating properly along with their juicing. i know several dudes whove been juicing for years and they look the same as they did when they gained their initial 20ish pounds from jumping on cycle. theyre still lifting the same amount of weight, and still eating the same amount of food.
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Guys take notes and read this very carefully, Jim/GH15 is giving some fukin knowledge here!
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Guys take notes and read this very carefully, Jim/GH15 is giving some fukin knowledge here!
Anything you say, flexingtonsqueal. :D
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the part about training being the least important is off base. some might feel that way if theyve always trained correctly, or at least they never over trained or undertrained. but lifting weights, and doing it correctly (progressive overload, adequate recovery), is just as important as taking steroids. one doesnt work without the other.
Seriously taylor you're a good kid. But when u have someone like disgusted telling u how it is, just listen. Because u can learn something.
The guy has been doing this shit for over 25 years, hes got a library of books at his house that most men would be afraid to look at, plus more real life experience w/success than most people who have ever touched a weight.
Just sit back and read what he says and learn something bro!
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Anything you say, flexingtonsqueal. :D
so you're saying he doesnt know what hes talking about?
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so you're saying he doesnt know what hes talking about?
Is that what you read?
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Is that what you read?
no i read "anything you say flexingtonsqueal"
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Seriously taylor you're a good kid. But when u have someone like disgusted telling u how it is, just listen. Because u can learn something.
The guy has been doing this shit for over 25 years, hes got a library of books at his house that most men would be afraid to look at, plus more real life experience w/success than most people who have ever touched a weight.
Just sit back and read what he says and learn something bro!
hes saying he wishes people would have told him the truth. telling people that only steroids matter, and training really doesnt mean much, is just wrong. maybe theres 1 or 2 guys out there who can get on juice, never make any strength gains, and get some good results. but nobody is ever going to get huge unless they are consistantly getting stronger.
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no i read "anything you say flexingtonsqueal"
OK so how did you get "so you're saying he doesnt know what hes talking about?" out of that?
LOL
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OK so how did you get "so you're saying he doesnt know what hes talking about?" out of that?
LOL
tell me what u meant then chaos.........
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tell me what u meant then chaos.........
Exactly what I posted, flexingtonsqueal. :-*
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hes saying he wishes people would have told him the truth. telling people that only steroids matter, and training really doesnt mean much, is just wrong. maybe theres 1 or 2 guys out there who can get on juice, never make any strength gains, and get some good results. but nobody is ever going to get huge unless they are consistantly getting stronger.
thats not what he said at all lol.
im not gonna argue with you bro, just sometimes u gotta sit back and learn from those who have had more experiences than us.
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thats not what he said at all lol.
im not gonna argue with you bro, just sometimes u gotta sit back and learn from those who have had more experiences than us.
no cuz gh15 used to say the same shit and influenced me to start being lazy about training. my results suffered and i didnt make any gains even though i was juicing. progressive overload is the name of the game, juice or no juice.
im all about learning from experience.
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no cuz gh15 used to say the same shit and influenced me to start being lazy about training. my results suffered and i didnt make any gains even though i was juicing. progressive overload is the name of the game, juice or no juice.
im all about learning from experience.
but jims not saying that at all lol! have him write u up a training program for 6 weeks and i promise you it'll be anything but lazy.
and bro learn from not only your own experiences but those with more experience than you!
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you operate on the assumption that lifting weights isnt complicated. id say that 80% of weighlifters dont understand the basics. id also say that the reason most long term juicers dont look like the pros is because they arent training and eating properly along with their juicing. i know several dudes whove been juicing for years and they look the same as they did when they gained their initial 20ish pounds from jumping on cycle. theyre still lifting the same amount of weight, and still eating the same amount of food.
Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.
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Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.
jim, when u post as gh15 u say the same thing.
atleast keep disgusted seperate from gh15!
thank u
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Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.
So by that fine logic, if you take plenty of drugs and eat a lot of food you will get big,strong and ripped without doing much lifting. wtf?
That makes about as much sense as saying jerking off , is better than having actual sex . ::)
I swear to GOD I am laughing right now . Some of you nitwits never cease to amuse me with your keen insights...bravo, bravo ;D
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So by that fine logic, if you take plenty of drugs and eat a lot of food you will get big,strong and ripped without doing much lifting. wtf?
That makes about as much sense as saying jerking off , is better than having actual sex . ::)
I swear to GOD I am laughing right now . Some of you nitwits never cease to amuse me with your keen insights...bravo, bravo ;D
If you laugh, you laugh at yourself. Did I say that you did not need to lift much? I said least important. You twist my words to suite your insecurities.
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If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. :-\
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Look, I'll say this one more time, lifting is least important. It's drugs, food then weights. This is not rocket science. You can eat a stellar diet and lift as hard and smart as humanly possible and without drugs you will not get much past the 200 pounds mark. On the other hand you can get in your protein requirement and the rest can be mostly junk and lift using any basic routine say 10X10 one body part a week and blow past the first guy I used as an example and leave him in the dust. Now before you say, what if the second guy ate a perfect diet and used the perfect lifting routine then he would be biggest, well that's another BS myth. As long as you do what I just said you can use a fukin Bowflex and get huge.
i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.
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If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. :-\
Correct, if all it took to get bigger was getting stronger then all the pros would benching 900 pounds and winning all the power lifting meets. Some of these guys are still the same amount of weights they were using as a state level champ.
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i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.
Read my response to Shockwave.
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If you take drugs, and you eat right, you can still grow more from everday work and activities than you could not.
If you lift weights, and eat right, and not juice, youll never go pass the 200lbs mark.
If you do drugs, lift, and dont eat, your not going to grow period.
Bottom line Howard, lifting is the least important of the three. I know it makes you butthurt, but you may as well accept that.
Theyre all important, however your progress is gonna be worst if you slack off on eating or drugs more than lifting.
You can watch any pro train today and realize that. :-\
I can't even respond to that nonsense ...I wish you happy hunting and good luck ;)
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Correct, if all it took to get bigger was getting stronger then all the pros would benching 900 pounds and winning all the power lifting meets. Some of these guys are still the same amount of weights they were using as a state level champ.
you should re-read your posts before submitting them. i get what your saying but, the way your workding it makes it appear like your syaing something else. now, on to the subject at hand..
are those guys any bigger than when they were state level champ? if you havent lifted heavier weight or done more reps, then your muscle hasnt grown.
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i agree with everything. but when you use that bowflex you better be getting stronger every workout.
Tell that to Chris Corimer. He really pushed himself every workout to maximize his gains. ;)
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I can't even respond to that nonsense ...I wish you happy hunting and good luck ;)
Yup, just as I thought, you cant refute what I said so instead you stick to your guns stubbornly and refuse to admit youre wrong. Lol.
Its pretty clear who the fool is, the old guy who is so set in his ways cause you "just know better". Lol. What absolute garbage.
Right now, Youre being that old fucker that you argued with when you were a kid, who was dead wrong and you knew it, but he just wouldnt admit he was wrong. Thats you.
Look howard, you can look at these pros train today and realize what is said is true, No one said lifting isnt important, but its far and away the least important of the three. Cause so many of these pros are so hardcore. lol.
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Tell that to Chris Corimer. He really pushed himself every workout to maximize his gains. ;)
he did to gain his muscle for sure
hungry...
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you should re-read your posts before submitting them. i get what your saying but, the way your workding it makes it appear like your syaing something else. now, on to the subject at hand..
are those guys any bigger than when they were state level champ? if you havent lifted heavier weight or done more reps, then your muscle hasnt grown.
u can get bigger without lifting heavier weights.
load is only one mechanism by which a muscle can grow.
i went to college with some sprinters on the track team who had HUGE quads and hams and they rarely squated over 225.
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What a bunch of bullshit posted here. It is possible to get huge without drugs or supplements. The flotsam is too damn thick to even investigate the possibility. Almost everyone is a follower and believes what the other guy believes. No wonder the public believe bodybuilders are stupid. Most are. Ignorant as well.
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Hey Vince, can you post a pic of someone who you absolutely know to be totally drug free and huge? Thanks
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Yup, just as I thought, you cant refute what I said so instead you stick to your guns stubbornly and refuse to admit youre wrong. Lol.
Its pretty clear who the fool is, the old guy who is so set in his ways cause you "just know better". Lol. What absolute garbage.
Right now, Youre being that old fucker that you argued with when you were a kid, who was dead wrong and you knew it, but he just wouldnt admit he was wrong. Thats you.
Look howard, you can look at these pros train today and realize what is said is true, No one said lifting isnt important, but its far and away the least important of the three. Cause so many of these pros are so hardcore. lol.
Since you made a thoughtful resonse I will do likewise.
Believe it or not I have made good steady gains my entire life and used very few drugs . At 51, I can still do 8-10 strict reps with 315 on the bench .
I am 5 '10" around 250 with 20" arms , but I do admit I need to get leaner this yr.
I am NOT alone and know plenty of other guys that have done the same in bodybulding, powerlifting, football training, etc.
Over my 33 years in the iron game I have done ok in bodybuilding, powerlifting and arm wrestling. I held my own, winning various state/regional meets and am proud of what I acomplished via hard, ball busting workouts. I don't just talk theory here but actual fact and action.
I am no expert on steroids but do know for a fact that busting ass in the gym with some heavy iron and good basic food will make you bigger and stronger. At my age I look back with no regrets, proud that I did my best with the talent I had. Some claim I would have done better had I used a lot more drugs. Sure I would have done better at bigger shows, but I never was going to be anything great, no matter how many drugs I took.
If you want to believe you can make incredible gains via drugs WITHOUT hard training, all I can say again , is good luck.
I don't know you, GH15 or your pals who post here, or what your plans in lifting or BB are. BUT I do know you won't win shit if you really have that kind of training attitude.
Ok let's shift gears for a second and let's end this on a positive note. Go ahead and take whatever drugs you want BUT add some ball busting training and good diet to it and see what happens. I bet you do better than you ever imagined you could.For added motivation watch some training clips of Arnold in PUMPING IRON busting ass in his prime.
Look, I can understand doing a limited amount of drugs due to legal and $$ reasons. You are correct , I am that old fart trying to talk some sense to a young buck. Maybe you will blow me off and call me crazy. BUT, what do you have to lose from spending the next few months giving 100% in the gym>? Go for it!
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As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.
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Hey Vince, can you post a pic of someone who you absolutely know to be totally drug free and huge? Thanks
Exactly! This guy has been posting his own "bunch of BS" for years. Vince, you present a lot of theories for "muscle hypertrophy". You don't need anabolics. You can get huge at any age after puberty. Can you please give us one example. Just one fucking example. Of someone who is huge, and i mean Ronnie coleman, Jay Cutler, Kai Greene huge with out drugs. And is there anybody, anybody at all, who has been able to maintain their size until their sixties. I know you will say that Bill Grant or Robby Robinson don't train and eat like they use and that's why their not as hgue as they were. But maybe it's because of age that thy are no longer able to train like they did before. Bill Grant said that due to age he can no longer do bar bell squats.
Amnd I know you will say that nobody has given your theories a fair go because they always resort to drugs. You ever think that the reason they started taking drugs is because how many and different traiining routines they followed, includeing yours which is nothing new, they reached a stand still.
Why don't you apply your theories to yourself? I know, I know, because you are no longer interested and have the drive to build big muscels. Every think that the reason for that is becaus your old. Yor testosteron level is so low you can even manage a decent hard on let alone find the drive to push some heavy wieights.
Shut up already, everyody has heard your rants and nobody cares.And it's no because we're all dumb, It's because we're smart and have seen it all already and have dealt with delusinal theorist like you.
I know, I know, everyone is an expert. You too.
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As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.
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As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.
Reeeves, Ross and Grimek couldn't win a local show in a high school auditorium today. And many train just as hard if not harder thatn your old heroes. Guys like Coleman and Branch bust their asses. And so do a lot of no names that are out there.
Easilhy win the olympia with modern mcahines and nutrition. LOL!
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As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.
To me what is kinda sad is here we have an actual former Mr Canada with decades of diet and training wisdom (YOU Vince!) .
Yet, these numbnuts would rather listen to some internet guru who doesn't have a real ID.
I know you don't agree with Bob Chick, but he was a Mr USA and IFBB pro. Yup, the even give him shit and rarely listen to his advice and answers.
I am not a great BB , but am an experienced NPC judge and even judged the Mr America. In all modesty I have a pretty good knowldge base some of these young guys could learn from.
I know you first gained your knowledge from the older lifters in the gym ,hands on, as did I. Nobody paid for a contest guru or trainer when I first competed . You got the advice of the best , experienced BB in your gym and you LISTENED. In Arnold's book " Education of a BB" he explains how he picked the older lifters brains and they took him under their wing.
It was trial and error in the gym and a lot of hard work. Sure, some guys took drugs but it was used to SUPPLEMENT the hard work and good diet.
Oh, well some guys never learn.
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To me what is kinda sad is here we have an actual former Mr Canada with decades of diet and training wisdom (YOU Vince!) .
Yet, these numbnuts would rather listen to some internet guru who doesn't have a real ID.
I know you don't agree with Bob Chick, but he was a Mr USA and IFBB pro. Yup, the even give him shit and rarely listen to his advice and answers.
I am not a great BB , but am an experienced NPC judge and even judged the Mr America. In all modesty I have a pretty good knowldge base some of these young guys could learn from.
I know you first gained your knowledge from the older lifters in the gym ,hands on, as did I. Nobody paid for a contest guru or trainer when I first competed . You got the advice of the best , experienced BB in your gym and you LISTENED. In Arnold's book " Education of a BB" he explains how he picked the older lifters brains and they took him under their wing.
It was trial and error in the gym and a lot of hard work. Sure, some guys took drugs but it was used to SUPPLEMENT the hard work and good diet.
Oh, well some guys never learn.
A lot has change since basile's glory days. Today his mr canada build wouldn't win a teen show.
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A lot has change since basile's glory days. Today his mr canada build wouldn't win a teen show.
I am sure all you "experts" will go on to great glory and bigger titles than Vince Basille in your prime.
Most of you clowns won't even compete and yet claim to be BETTER than a former national champ of Canada.
Good luck and keep us posted after your first contest win. Better yet, stay in touch after you and your pals all go pro and place top 5 in the Olympia. I don't know you or your BB background. BUT I suspect you never won jackshit in actual BB. If I am wrong about that I apologize in advance. It strikes me as pretty dumb for so many here at get big to brag when they never did shit. I would wish you good luck, but since you already know everything I don't need to.
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I am sure all you "experts" will go on to great glory and bigger titles than Vince Basille in your prime.
Most of you clowns won't even compete and yet claim to be BETTER than a former national champ of Canada.
Good luck and keep us posted after your first contest win. Better yet, stay in touch after you and your pals all go pro and place top 5 in the Olympia. I don't know you or your BB background. BUT I suspect you never won jackshit in actual BB. If I am wrong about that I apologize in advance. It strikes me as pretty dumb for so many here at get big to brag when they never did shit. I would wish you good luck, but since you already know everything I don't need to.
Uh, that former national champ is a very bitter has been that has turned his back on that industry and his country.
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Uh, that former national champ is a very bitter has been that has turned his back on that industry and his country.
Look on a forum any fan or lifter can post as they wish obviously. But seriously don't any of you think it silly to have some Mr Nobody/Never will be cracking on a guy that won an actual MR Canada. Some of you guys remind me of this;
" I never did compete in an actual bodybuilding contest. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night"
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I am sure all you "experts" will go on to great glory and bigger titles than Vince Basille in your prime.
Most of you clowns won't even compete and yet claim to be BETTER than a former national champ of Canada.
Good luck and keep us posted after your first contest win. Better yet, stay in touch after you and your pals all go pro and place top 5 in the Olympia. I don't know you or your BB background. BUT I suspect you never won jackshit in actual BB. If I am wrong about that I apologize in advance. It strikes me as pretty dumb for so many here at get big to brag when they never did shit. I would wish you good luck, but since you already know everything I don't need to.
Howard, may I ask you a personal question?
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Look on a forum any fan or lifter can post as they wish obviously. But seriously don't any of you think it silly to have some Mr Nobody/Never will be cracking on a guy that won an actual MR Canada. Some of you guys remind me of this;
" I never did compete in an actual bodybuilding contest. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night"
Um, no it's not silly at all, if he was as good as he thinks he is, he would be training some high caliber athletes or bbers right now, instead he's hiding out in Australia, going to funerals of people he never knew, and painting machines pink.
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Howard, may I ask you a personal question?
No I am not queer and no I don't want you to toos my salad.
Sure ask away, seriously
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No I am not queer and no I don't want you to toos my salad.
Sure ask away, seriously
OK it's kinda personal so feel free not to answer. Are you on any type of anti-depressants?
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I am sure all you "experts" will go on to great glory and bigger titles than Vince Basille in your prime.
Most of you clowns won't even compete and yet claim to be BETTER than a former national champ of Canada.
Good luck and keep us posted after your first contest win. Better yet, stay in touch after you and your pals all go pro and place top 5 in the Olympia. I don't know you or your BB background. BUT I suspect you never won jackshit in actual BB. If I am wrong about that I apologize in advance. It strikes me as pretty dumb for so many here at get big to brag when they never did shit. I would wish you good luck, but since you already know everything I don't need to.
No ones claiming to be better than anyone else. Vince is DELUSIONAL to claim you could be a natural pro.
Thats the stupidest fucking thing I've heard all day.
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Howard, I had to do all my thinking myself. I grew up in Kamloops and there were no gyms in 1959. In Vancouver I went to UBC and started a Fig Club so we could use the weight room. There were no big bodybuilders there, either. I had to study nutrition and figure out how much protein to eat and so on. The one thing I never resolved was the number of sets. I ended up doing about 8 sets which is close but not enough. If I had done 8 maximum sets I would have grown a lot bigger. We really will never know what is possible naturally because most muscleheads opt for the drugs. This is lunacy but what can we say. I don't blame them because the drugs might save them a lot of time. A pity, though, that this has happened to our sport and maybe ruined it forever.
I have a theory of hypertrophy which is much more than the flotsam possess. Very rare to find a thinker who lifts weights.
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Howard, I had to do all my thinking myself. I grew up in Kamloops and there were no gyms in 1959. In Vancouver I went to UBC and started a Fig Club so we could use the weight room. There were no big bodybuilders there, either. I had to study nutrition and figure out how much protein to eat and so on. The one thing I never resolved was the number of sets. I ended up doing about 8 sets which is close but not enough. If I had done 8 maximum sets I would have grown a lot bigger. We really will never know what is possible naturally because most muscleheads opt for the drugs. This is lunacy but what can we say. I don't blame them because the drugs might save them a lot of time. A pity, though, that this has happened to our sport and maybe ruined it forever.
I have a theory of hypertrophy which is much more than the flotsam possess. Very rare to find a thinker who lifts weights.
I would like to hear more of this thoery myself Vince. Thanks in advance
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friends,,this is important that you understand what gh15 is writing here,,first of im not disgusted,,he has a lot of knowledge and say the truth but im not him,,second i repededly say here that the absolut highest authority on your board when it comes to hormones is van b ,,there is a reason i back up van b ,,he is the closest to the real deal when it comes to what a professional actually do and also describe in good language the importance of hormones in sports in particular bodybuilding,,
disgusted does say it like it is and tell you the truth from the posting i read in this thread,,van b though show consitancy in giving you the right knowledge closest you will ever find to what the reality is,,that is why getny hate him so much ,,thats why many discredit him because he is saying the truth and thats why i put him as my lutenent in the bible,,
now,,we all know when it comes to bodybuilding the board of body of science is the final authority about drugs and where everyone in the know is ,,i consider william and ronny t as good embasador of true bodybuilding,,,
as i said before ,,the drug market is huge,,we have now days drugs like mdrol hdrol that are real drugs that stayed in the dark because the grey zone of othe fda,,a loop,,they are very very strong drugs,,so they are used by kids who order them with out even needing a dealer ,,they go to block buster and just get it like you get movie ,,you get your drugs online together with the movie and pizza you oroder,,
tbomb said gh15 said to be lazy abotu training,,NO gh15 didnt say to be laxy ,,gh15 said that the drugs are the most important factor in the bodybuilder physiqe,,training come third after nutrition,,ofcourese you need to train and be consistant with both training and drugs because if you dont train you wont develop to the most potential ,,the muscle need resistance stimulation in the form of training,,so thats that
to finish this i will add one more thing,,you as a bodybuilder can stop working chest with free barbel,,you can use hammer incline ,,and still grow the chest to be top of the top,,it is all in the drugs respond and the dosaes in addition to resistance training in any form,,lifters still do not get this concept,,you can have huge legs with out squating even once! you can have amazing arms if you got good response to the hormones and genetically good arms even if you work with machines only ...infact you will isolate the muscle much better,,
there is aura the older generation did around bodybuilding which is wrong and misleading and misguided,,take a good look at thomas prince,,this is a very very good example of how much drugs a major 90% factor of a bodybuilder,,
no test = no bodybuilder ...learn it ,,
i told you before the older generation claimed to only use 2 dianabol and little deca while in reality they pumped themselves with 1 gramn testosterona,,thats where the lie was,,the natural generation now which ofcourse is not natural ...keep saying it is but behind your backl buy superdrols from companies who sit online and still sell it because they have left overs and they are still ALLOWED TO SELL IT and the law is very grey so you cant do anything to them,,but are those fellas natural? hell no they are not,,they are more hormonized than fellas on dianabol
all the dry gains you see on naturals come from DESIGNER STEROIDS with are real steroids in addition to tne or test prop and growth hormone,,is that a natural bodybuilder? hell no its not,,a true natural bodybuilder will be 5'9 180 at 10% and he will be very very dedicated and even then any juicer will wipe the floor with him even if the juicer is little more body fat %
this cult is MAINLY hormones,,the finnishing touch is nutrition ,,
training should always be when youre on ,,when youre off you shoudnt even enter a gym its useless for a bodybuilder,,pct is also compete useless and made up by the dantas of the worlds to gain money
gh15 approved
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This is a real expert!
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Howard
here is why I dislike you
You, in my opinion, are the type of person who makes posts on here that YOU think are funny. I picture you then bursting out laughing at your own posts while sitting there and constantly refreshing the screen praying that someone finds ANY of your posts funny. However, 99.99% of the time they are lame and unfunny. You come across as ultra creepy
anyways just my 2 cents
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AHAHAHAHAHHA you have no idea how hard I laughed at that
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AHAHAHAHAHHA you have no idea how hard I laughed at that
what about this?
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what about this?
no lol's
and to Howard---dude you are super creepy, thats just a given---you have pedo written ALL OVER you
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friends,,this is important that you understand what gh15 is writing here,,first of im not disgusted,,he has a lot of knowledge and say the truth but im not him,,second i repededly say here that the absolut highest authority on your board when it comes to hormones is van b ,,there is a reason i back up van b ,,he is the closest to the real deal when it comes to what a professional actually do and also describe in good language the importance of hormones in sports in particular bodybuilding,,
disgusted does say it like it is and tell you the truth from the posting i read in this thread,,van b though show consitancy in giving you the right knowledge closest you will ever find to what the reality is,,that is why getny hate him so much ,,thats why many discredit him because he is saying the truth and thats why i put him as my lutenent in the bible,,
now,,we all know when it comes to bodybuilding the board of body of science is the final authority about drugs and where everyone in the know is ,,i consider william and ronny t as good embasador of true bodybuilding,,,
as i said before ,,the drug market is huge,,we have now days drugs like mdrol hdrol that are real drugs that stayed in the dark because the grey zone of othe fda,,a loop,,they are very very strong drugs,,so they are used by kids who order them with out even needing a dealer ,,they go to block buster and just get it like you get movie ,,you get your drugs online together with the movie and pizza you oroder,,
tbomb said gh15 said to be lazy abotu training,,NO gh15 didnt say to be laxy ,,gh15 said that the drugs are the most important factor in the bodybuilder physiqe,,training come third after nutrition,,ofcourese you need to train and be consistant with both training and drugs because if you dont train you wont develop to the most potential ,,the muscle need resistance stimulation in the form of training,,so thats that
to finish this i will add one more thing,,you as a bodybuilder can stop working chest with free barbel,,you can use hammer incline ,,and still grow the chest to be top of the top,,it is all in the drugs respond and the dosaes in addition to resistance training in any form,,lifters still do not get this concept,,you can have huge legs with out squating even once! you can have amazing arms if you got good response to the hormones and genetically good arms even if you work with machines only ...infact you will isolate the muscle much better,,
there is aura the older generation did around bodybuilding which is wrong and misleading and misguided,,take a good look at thomas prince,,this is a very very good example of how much drugs a major 90% factor of a bodybuilder,,
no test = no bodybuilder ...learn it ,,
i told you before the older generation claimed to only use 2 dianabol and little deca while in reality they pumped themselves with 1 gramn testosterona,,thats where the lie was,,the natural generation now which ofcourse is not natural ...keep saying it is but behind your backl buy superdrols from companies who sit online and still sell it because they have left overs and they are still ALLOWED TO SELL IT and the law is very grey so you cant do anything to them,,but are those fellas natural? hell no they are not,,they are more hormonized than fellas on dianabol
all the dry gains you see on naturals come from DESIGNER STEROIDS with are real steroids in addition to tne or test prop and growth hormone,,is that a natural bodybuilder? hell no its not,,a true natural bodybuilder will be 5'9 180 at 10% and he will be very very dedicated and even then any juicer will wipe the floor with him even if the juicer is little more body fat %
this cult is MAINLY hormones,,the finnishing touch is nutrition ,,
training should always be when youre on ,,when youre off you shoudnt even enter a gym its useless for a bodybuilder,,pct is also compete useless and made up by the dantas of the worlds to gain money
gh15 approved
Hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa I love this guy. ;D (no homo)
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friends,,this is important that you understand what gh15 is writing here,,first of im not disgusted,,he has a lot of knowledge and say the truth but im not him,,second i repededly say here that the absolut highest authority on your board when it comes to hormones is van b ,,there is a reason i back up van b ,,he is the closest to the real deal when it comes to what a professional actually do and also describe in good language the importance of hormones in sports in particular bodybuilding,,
disgusted does say it like it is and tell you the truth from the posting i read in this thread,,van b though show consitancy in giving you the right knowledge closest you will ever find to what the reality is,,that is why getny hate him so much ,,thats why many discredit him because he is saying the truth and thats why i put him as my lutenent in the bible,,
now,,we all know when it comes to bodybuilding the board of body of science is the final authority about drugs and where everyone in the know is ,,i consider william and ronny t as good embasador of true bodybuilding,,,
as i said before ,,the drug market is huge,,we have now days drugs like mdrol hdrol that are real drugs that stayed in the dark because the grey zone of othe fda,,a loop,,they are very very strong drugs,,so they are used by kids who order them with out even needing a dealer ,,they go to block buster and just get it like you get movie ,,you get your drugs online together with the movie and pizza you oroder,,
tbomb said gh15 said to be lazy abotu training,,NO gh15 didnt say to be laxy ,,gh15 said that the drugs are the most important factor in the bodybuilder physiqe,,training come third after nutrition,,ofcourese you need to train and be consistant with both training and drugs because if you dont train you wont develop to the most potential ,,the muscle need resistance stimulation in the form of training,,so thats that
to finish this i will add one more thing,,you as a bodybuilder can stop working chest with free barbel,,you can use hammer incline ,,and still grow the chest to be top of the top,,it is all in the drugs respond and the dosaes in addition to resistance training in any form,,lifters still do not get this concept,,you can have huge legs with out squating even once! you can have amazing arms if you got good response to the hormones and genetically good arms even if you work with machines only ...infact you will isolate the muscle much better,,
there is aura the older generation did around bodybuilding which is wrong and misleading and misguided,,take a good look at thomas prince,,this is a very very good example of how much drugs a major 90% factor of a bodybuilder,,
no test = no bodybuilder ...learn it ,,
i told you before the older generation claimed to only use 2 dianabol and little deca while in reality they pumped themselves with 1 gramn testosterona,,thats where the lie was,,the natural generation now which ofcourse is not natural ...keep saying it is but behind your backl buy superdrols from companies who sit online and still sell it because they have left overs and they are still ALLOWED TO SELL IT and the law is very grey so you cant do anything to them,,but are those fellas natural? hell no they are not,,they are more hormonized than fellas on dianabol
all the dry gains you see on naturals come from DESIGNER STEROIDS with are real steroids in addition to tne or test prop and growth hormone,,is that a natural bodybuilder? hell no its not,,a true natural bodybuilder will be 5'9 180 at 10% and he will be very very dedicated and even then any juicer will wipe the floor with him even if the juicer is little more body fat %
this cult is MAINLY hormones,,the finnishing touch is nutrition ,,
training should always be when youre on ,,when youre off you shoudnt even enter a gym its useless for a bodybuilder,,pct is also compete useless and made up by the dantas of the worlds to gain money
gh15 approved
This is Howie approved you douchbag!
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no lol's
and to Howard---dude you are super creepy, thats just a given---you have pedo written ALL OVER you
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Howard, does your girlfriend watch Three stooges reels off your forehead late at night while you sleep?
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hes saying he wishes people would have told him the truth. telling people that only steroids matter, and training really doesnt mean much, is just wrong. maybe theres 1 or 2 guys out there who can get on juice, never make any strength gains, and get some good results. but nobody is ever going to get huge unless they are consistantly getting stronger.
Not to nitpick ;D but this bit here
but nobody is ever going to get huge unless they are consistantly getting stronger.
As long as theres intensity the muscle will recover and grow.As long as theres progressive overload then you are heading in the right direction..
At the begining you can get stronger very quickly but this does start to slow over time..Of all the bigger BB's in the world actualy Ill say "built" and Im not just talking in the pro ranks but everywhere , in every gym throughout the world how many of the real BBs are repping out with 200kg on the bench etc etc ? plus other exercises.
I mean impressive BBs not the fat wanabe ones.
Sure getting a muscle stronger is one way but as long as the intensity is there thats all that matters,
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Howard, what was it you said? Read closely. :D
You are exactly like Basile. Basile believes one could win the Olympia without drugs if he just found the "right" training program. It is possible you know.
I don't think Basille ever said that
No?
As anyone knows who has been around for 50 years the muscleheads stopped serious training decades ago and have relied upon drugs. This is ubiquitous and therefore you can't find natural pros. That doesn't mean it isn't possible. If we accept that Reeves, Ross and Grimek were natural then they could easily be a Mr Olympia with modern training, equipment and nutrition knowledge.
To me what is kinda sad is here we have an actual former Mr Canada with decades of diet and training wisdom (YOU Vince!) .
You call that wisdom? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Howard, does your girlfriend watch Three stooges reels off your forehead late at night while you sleep?
No she watches them off my back doing a massive lat spread :-*
Now go suck a fart out of dead cats ass and go to bed sweety
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This thread has gone so many directions, I have no idea whats going on.
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Howard, what was it you said? Read closely. :D
And now again:
You call that wisdom? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Van B wtach my vid and you will see I am mostly a joker, seriously check it and listen to my silly answers.
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friends,,this is important that you understand what gh15 is writing here,,first of im not disgusted,,he has a lot of knowledge and say the truth but im not him,,second i repededly say here that the absolut highest authority on your board when it comes to hormones is van b ,,there is a reason i back up van b ,,he is the closest to the real deal when it comes to what a professional actually do and also describe in good language the importance of hormones in sports in particular bodybuilding,,
disgusted does say it like it is and tell you the truth from the posting i read in this thread,,van b though show consitancy in giving you the right knowledge closest you will ever find to what the reality is,,that is why getny hate him so much ,,thats why many discredit him because he is saying the truth and thats why i put him as my lutenent in the bible,,
now,,we all know when it comes to bodybuilding the board of body of science is the final authority about drugs and where everyone in the know is ,,i consider william and ronny t as good embasador of true bodybuilding,,,
as i said before ,,the drug market is huge,,we have now days drugs like mdrol hdrol that are real drugs that stayed in the dark because the grey zone of othe fda,,a loop,,they are very very strong drugs,,so they are used by kids who order them with out even needing a dealer ,,they go to block buster and just get it like you get movie ,,you get your drugs online together with the movie and pizza you oroder,,
tbomb said gh15 said to be lazy abotu training,,NO gh15 didnt say to be laxy ,,gh15 said that the drugs are the most important factor in the bodybuilder physiqe,,training come third after nutrition,,ofcourese you need to train and be consistant with both training and drugs because if you dont train you wont develop to the most potential ,,the muscle need resistance stimulation in the form of training,,so thats that
to finish this i will add one more thing,,you as a bodybuilder can stop working chest with free barbel,,you can use hammer incline ,,and still grow the chest to be top of the top,,it is all in the drugs respond and the dosaes in addition to resistance training in any form,,lifters still do not get this concept,,you can have huge legs with out squating even once! you can have amazing arms if you got good response to the hormones and genetically good arms even if you work with machines only ...infact you will isolate the muscle much better,,
there is aura the older generation did around bodybuilding which is wrong and misleading and misguided,,take a good look at thomas prince,,this is a very very good example of how much drugs a major 90% factor of a bodybuilder,,
no test = no bodybuilder ...learn it ,,
i told you before the older generation claimed to only use 2 dianabol and little deca while in reality they pumped themselves with 1 gramn testosterona,,thats where the lie was,,the natural generation now which ofcourse is not natural ...keep saying it is but behind your backl buy superdrols from companies who sit online and still sell it because they have left overs and they are still ALLOWED TO SELL IT and the law is very grey so you cant do anything to them,,but are those fellas natural? hell no they are not,,they are more hormonized than fellas on dianabol
all the dry gains you see on naturals come from DESIGNER STEROIDS with are real steroids in addition to tne or test prop and growth hormone,,is that a natural bodybuilder? hell no its not,,a true natural bodybuilder will be 5'9 180 at 10% and he will be very very dedicated and even then any juicer will wipe the floor with him even if the juicer is little more body fat %
this cult is MAINLY hormones,,the finnishing touch is nutrition ,,
training should always be when youre on ,,when youre off you shoudnt even enter a gym its useless for a bodybuilder,,pct is also compete useless and made up by the dantas of the worlds to gain money
gh15 approved
i dont think there is a better message board poster than gh15.
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This is a real expert!
you really are a sickening old, fat titted attention whore
one of those people who thinks people are laughing with him, when in fact, they are laughing at him
and the worst part, you act like people need to be exposed to you, like they need to hear your thoughts, and you point of view
just an awful old loser,....go and treat a shotgun barrel like you would an 8 year olds cock ::) ::) ::)
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just an awful old loser,....go and treat a shotgun barrel like you would an 8 year olds cock ::) ::) ::)
ROFL ;D
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a true natural bodybuilder will be 5'9 180 at 10% %
,,gh15 approved
5'9'' 175lbs (w/thong) 10 %BF lifetime natural
Is this the limit for a true natural,? I hope not.
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you really are a sickening old, fat titted attention whore
one of those people who thinks people are laughing with him, when in fact, they are laughing at him
and the worst part, you act like people need to be exposed to you, like they need to hear your thoughts, and you point of view
just an awful old loser,....go and treat a shotgun barrel like you would an 8 year olds cock ::) ::) ::)
thank you for wording it wayyyyy better than I did
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OK it's kinda personal so feel free not to answer. Are you on any type of anti-depressants?
I'll take your non answer as a yes.
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Van B wtach my vid and you will see I am mostly a joker, seriously check it and listen to my silly answers.
So you admit you are just bullshitting all the time? I just don't get it, the motivation behind it. What are you gaining? gh15 is completely right, Americanos lie all the time, it's a way of life. They lie to others, they lie to themselves. A sick society. :D
Disgusted's question was sort of strange at first but there's gotta be some kind of mental issue going on. But then again there's still people on psychotropics who don't turn into compulsive liars. Maybe you need psychotropics when everything about you is a lie and it's eating away at your core. ??? :D
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I know and I am so jealous and hate him. He gets all the nice replys and is the most poular boy in class.
I bet he could run for Get big class president .
I am going to bed ....night night all
FYI look folks I am just a big fat joker, no hard feelings I am just having fun
I'll take your non answer as a yes.
By the above response and about 10 others tonite, ill take that as a yes as well.
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So you admit you are just bullshitting all the time? I just don't get it, the motivation behind it. What are you gaining? gh15 is completely right, Americanos lie all the time, it's a way of life. They lie to others, they lie to themselves. A sick society. :D
Disgusted's question was sort of strange at first but there's gotta be some kind of mental issue going on. But then again there's still people on psychotropics who don't turn into compulsive liars. Maybe you need psychotropics when everything about you is a lie and it's eating away at your core. ??? :D
It is BB gossip forum sooo I think that answers it and sums it up Good night
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the part Howard doesnt get is EVERYONE on here finds him creepy and pedo-like, and he thinks everyone is joking. No Howard, no jokes, you genuinely seem like a grade A weirdo who cruises playgrounds.
You dont get that while you think its all funny, its not when it comes to you. Something is just not right with you. Ya I may be somewhat nuts but I am quite obvious and dont hide it. You have a lot of weird shit going on and you try to mask it in humor.
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So you admit you are just bullshitting all the time? I just don't get it, the motivation behind it. What are you gaining? gh15 is completely right, Americanos lie all the time, it's a way of life. They lie to others, they lie to themselves. A sick society. :D
Disgusted's question was sort of strange at first but there's gotta be some kind of mental issue going on. But then again there's still people on psychotropics who don't turn into compulsive liars. Maybe you need psychotropics when everything about you is a lie and it's eating away at your core. ??? :D
id bet there are a good amount of people who post on this board who are on some type of psychotropic meds.
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I guess a blowjob is out of the question then? How about tossing my salad then?
So you like using a pump action on 8 yo boys cocks ? ???
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the part Howard doesnt get is EVERYONE on here finds him creepy and pedo-like, and he thinks everyone is joking. No Howard, no jokes, you genuinely seem like a grade A weirdo who cruises playgrounds.
You dont get that while you think its all funny, its not when it comes to you. Something is just not right with you. Ya I may be somewhat nuts but I am quite obvious and dont hide it. You have a lot of weird shit going on and you try to mask it in humor.
Maybe ? well at least I am not writting some lame countdown on various bodyparts and posting it each day :D got ya
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id bet there are a good amount of people who post on this board who are on some type of psychotropic meds.
In laws ? :D
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Damn those are nice :P
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Why did you use the words "all of you haters of me" when you could have said "all of Getbig"?
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In laws ? :D
lol.
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the part Howard doesnt get is EVERYONE on here finds him creepy and pedo-like, and he thinks everyone is joking. No Howard, no jokes, you genuinely seem like a grade A weirdo who cruises playgrounds.
You dont get that while you think its all funny, its not when it comes to you. Something is just not right with you. Ya I may be somewhat nuts but I am quite obvious and dont hide it. You have a lot of weird shit going on and you try to mask it in humor.
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So you admit you are just bullshitting all the time? I just don't get it, the motivation behind it. What are you gaining? gh15 is completely right, Americanos lie all the time, it's a way of life. They lie to others, they lie to themselves. A sick society. :D
Disgusted's question was sort of strange at first but there's gotta be some kind of mental issue going on. But then again there's still people on psychotropics who don't turn into compulsive liars. Maybe you need psychotropics when everything about you is a lie and it's eating away at your core. ??? :D
Always thought he was a little manic.
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ROFL ;D
Ditto. Harsh but hilarious.
I've got nothing against Howie, but it's a different crowd now than the one that was around 5 - 6 years ago when he first posted that video, which he has milked everything possible out of and then some. Guess attention whoring isn't an affliction that dies with ageing ;D
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id bet there are a good amount of people who post on this board who are on some type of psychotropic meds.
Think of all the dead bodies if they weren't
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Howard
here is why I dislike you
You, in my opinion, are the type of person who makes posts on here that YOU think are funny. I picture you then bursting out laughing at your own posts while sitting there and constantly refreshing the screen praying that someone finds ANY of your posts funny. However, 99.99% of the time they are lame and unfunny. You come across as ultra creepy
anyways just my 2 cents
100% spot on.
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Why did you use the words "all of you haters of me" when you could have said "all of Getbig"?
aahahahaaha, oh boy.
You should learn from JNN, Howie.
This dude has almost 10,000 funny posts, every one a hit.
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Howard
here is why I dislike you
You, in my opinion, are the type of person who makes posts on here that YOU think are funny. I picture you then bursting out laughing at your own posts while sitting there and constantly refreshing the screen praying that someone finds ANY of your posts funny. However, 99.99% of the time they are lame and unfunny. You come across as ultra creepy
anyways just my 2 cents
He also strikes me as a very dense guy....the type who cannot fathom that we all think he's not funny, it bounces right off him
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stfu Howard you fat sack of shit
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He also strikes me as a very dense guy....the type who cannot fathom that we all think he's not funny, it bounces right off him
ya
good call
no matter what people say he still thinks he is funny
I could see 14 year old girls doing everything in their power to shy away from him when he states "Oh look how you have all grown up" and then laughs some creepy laugh
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ya
good call
no matter what people say he still thinks he is funny
I could see 14 year old girls doing everything in their power to shy away from him when he states "Oh look how you have all grown up" and then laughs some creepy laugh
Yup.
If he taught at my Daughter's school I'd get his ass fired
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Some of the posters here know about exercise science. The vast majority have no real knowledge at all about hypertrophy so default to what they read on the forums and in the magazines. If you are a student of hypertrophy you will know that the science is difficult and complicated. That alone will eliminate 99% of those who lift weights. The other 1% might be capable of comprehending the research but I doubt many are current.
Thus we have pseudo experts arguing with other pseudo experts and no one ever wins because they don't know the science as a test of the truth. Combine that with the lack of hypertrophy research about large muscles and you end up with the present vacuum where everyone is an expert but knows bugger all. They all are betting that the others know even less than themselves.
Gh15 reckons drugs are 1st then nutrition and then training. Well, that is the mentality of most professionals and wannabes. This is what they believe so they are not going to change their beliefs. Since the research is either non-existent or too difficult to comprehend the scene remains the same and just about anyone can claim to be an expert in bodybuilding.
It is possible to get huge without drugs. I remember Leroy Colbert who got huge arms in the early fifties. Had he not had a motorcycle accident that injured his legs he would have won all the titles in his day.
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Above all, still I havent seen his contest days pic.
Anyone has seen it?
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Herbert Howard
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stfu Howard you fat sack of shit
Now you have gone and hurt my feelings. I am going away for a long cry.
I only wish I could be half the man, some of you are ::)
Good luck
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Some of the posters here know about exercise science. The vast majority have no real knowledge at all about hypertrophy so default to what they read on the forums and in the magazines. If you are a student of hypertrophy you will know that the science is difficult and complicated. That alone will eliminate 99% of those who lift weights. The other 1% might be capable of comprehending the research but I doubt many are current.
Thus we have pseudo experts arguing with other pseudo experts and no one ever wins because they don't know the science as a test of the truth. Combine that with the lack of hypertrophy research about large muscles and you end up with the present vacuum where everyone is an expert but knows bugger all. They all are betting that the others know even less than themselves.
Gh15 reckons drugs are 1st then nutrition and then training. Well, that is the mentality of most professionals and wannabes. This is what they believe so they are not going to change their beliefs. Since the research is either non-existent or too difficult to comprehend the scene remains the same and just about anyone can claim to be an expert in bodybuilding.
It is possible to get huge without drugs. I remember Leroy Colbert who got huge arms in the early fifties. Had he not had a motorcycle accident that injured his legs he would have won all the titles in his day.
Ya know vince , it would be one thing if some pro or national champ said what these clowns and GH15 post. BUT, to my knowledge NONE of these clowns ever won anything and I bet most never got into an actual contest. I consider the source and leave it at that. Good luck and stay in touch
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I agree with a previous poster and you seem like a good guy and a family man but God is right here. You've been doing this for years now. You come on here once or twice a year to challenge GOH and you always get your ass handed to you. Why? What do you hope to accomplish? We already know part of the reason gh15 says what he says. He wants to expose bodybuilding and modern sports for what it is and buy HG americano or european testosterona. When you say you are calling him out what do you mean? Calling him out where? If he says he's Goonter,,, Beatifulman with glasess,,, DJ,,,, what would that change?
You either think what he says makes sense or you don't.
This is actually a decent, thoughtful post. You are 100% correct in that you either accept what GH15 says as truth or you don't.
I admit that I am no steroid expert. However, I do know from years of lifting , that you will get, bigger and stronger from basic hard training and good diet. Granted, you may never get close to an IFBB pro card, but can develop a strong , impressive physique WITHOUT drugs.
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u can get bigger without lifting heavier weights.
load is only one mechanism by which a muscle can grow.
i went to college with some sprinters on the track team who had HUGE quads and hams and they rarely squated over 225.
the only thing that is going to caus eyour muscle to grow is increased load, whether total weight or repitition. for upper body repitition should increase untill it exceeds 8-10 reps, at which point total weight should be increase so repition drops back down to 4-6 reps. and then the cycle continues until your strong enough to rep that new weight 8-10 times, and you increase the weight again.
lower body muscles tend to respond well to weights/contractions done with higher reps. sprinting, running, jogging, all seem to do very well for developing the legs, at least as far as muscle definiton, hardness, and to a degree size as well. for your srpinters who got huge quads and calves, you dont think those guys's legs experienced progressive overload all the way up to that point? unless that sprinter has gotten faster, or ran longer, then they havent gotten their legs any bigger.
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the only thing that is going to caus eyour muscle to grow is increased load, whether total weight or repitition. for upper body repitition should increase untill it exceeds 8-10 reps, at which point total weight should be increase so repition drops back down to 4-6 reps. and then the cycle continues until your strong enough to rep that new weight 8-10 times, and you increase the weight again.
lower body muscles tend to respond well to weights/contractions done with higher reps. sprinting, running, jogging, all seem to do very well for developing the legs, at least as far as muscle definiton, hardness, and to a degree size as well. for your srpinters who got huge quads and calves, you dont think those guys's legs experienced progressive overload all the way up to that point? unless that sprinter has gotten faster, or ran longer, then they havent gotten their legs any bigger.
Strength, power, and hypertrophy are all different bro!
and if we all had to get stronger to get bigger muscles than everyone who had big muscles would be benching 500lbs for 20 plus reps. no?
im not gonna argue this, everyone has different opinions on what works and what doesnt work. and in your head if what you're doing is working than its working :)
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Strength, power, and hypertrophy are all different bro!
and if we all had to get stronger to get bigger muscles than everyone who had big muscles would be benching 500lbs for 20 plus reps. no?
no, everyone who has big muscles has to be stronger than they were when they had smaller muscles. its relative.
im not gonna argue this, everyone has different opinions on what works and what doesnt work. and in your head if what you're doing is working than its working :)
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well of course you're gonna be stronger from the first day you picked up a weight, but its gotta stop sometime. :)
you're not always gonna get stronger, but you can keep on getting bigger.
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well of course you're gonna be stronger from the first day you picked up a weight, but its gotta stop sometime. :)
you're not always gonna get stronger, but you can keep on getting bigger.
but your not gonna get bigger unless youve gotten stronger. ;)
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This is actually a decent, thoughtful post. You are 100% correct in that you either accept what GH15 says as truth or you don't.
I admit that I am no steroid expert. However, I do know from years of lifting , that you will get, bigger and stronger from basic hard training and good diet. Granted, you may never get close to an IFBB pro card, but can develop a strong , impressive physique WITHOUT drugs.
What constitutes an impressive physique varies widely. The standards here on GetBig does not reflect the public at large. What gh15 is saying is that you cannot build a competitive bodybuilding physique without drugs. And at the top level it requires a lot of them. He does not like the lies being spewed to the young and naive that if you take supplements they endorse and follow their training protocol (which I doubt is accurately featured in the magazine articles) you can close to looking like Victor Martinez
I think gh15 once described a truly natural physique, not just clean, that can be attained with proper and consistent training and nutrition is one that looks "fit."
Recall how the general public thought how great Brad Pitt looked in Fight Club and I remember as a boy thinking Bruce Lee was a muscular marvel. Both would be laughed off this board.
I remember as a kid when I first saw this short 35 second clip in the movie house I thought to myself, "Bruce Lee looks just like those guys in the magazine." And when Bruce hit a lat spread the audible gasps of awe was clearly heard by all. LOL!
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but your not gonna get bigger unless youve gotten stronger. ;)
Not true
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Not true
so you think its possible for someone to use the same amount of weight for the same amount of reps every workout for one year and have gained muscle from doing so?
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so you think its possible for someone to use the same amount of weight for the same amount of reps every workout for one year and have gained muscle from doing so?
Size and strength is of course related. But what stimulates an adaptive response, i.e., muscle growth in this case is subjecting your body to a stimuli it is not accustom to. This could be an increase resistance, or time under tension (TUT) often measured by an increase in reps. But like all things this has it's limits. As I mentioned in my previous post you can keep increasing load but this may be that you are simply getting better at the movement. If you switch the stimuli, say squats to front squats, this may trigger a new adaptive response.
Of course, everything has it's limits no matter what you do or what you take.
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I made a reference to a previous post I made but just found out it never posted. This board is so fucking slow that I often reply to one comment in one window and make another comment in another GetBig window.
This board is great. Board performance is just unbelievably bad.
Here's the post I tried to make:
well of course you're gonna be stronger from the first day you picked up a weight, but its gotta stop sometime. :)
you're not always gonna get stronger, but you can keep on getting bigger.
Not really. Everyone pretty much reaches a point where they max out of size and consequently also max out of strength. Or vice versa.
It varies here and there but a guy like Cutler is pretty much maxed out on size and strength.
Now you can make the opposite argument that you can get stronger but not bigger. Say in power lifting/Olympic lifting. But that is not because you are getting stronger in the sense of increase muscular contractile force but more likely from neurological efficiency and technique. Your body just gets better and more efficient in that particular movement (say, a bench press).
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so you think its possible for someone to use the same amount of weight for the same amount of reps every workout for one year and have gained muscle from doing so?
Yes I do , based on my own experience .
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so you think its possible for someone to use the same amount of weight for the same amount of reps every workout for one year and have gained muscle from doing so?
Guess what? The act of working with weights stimulates muscle hypertrophy.
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Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.
Whats so hard about this to understand?
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Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.
Whats so hard about this to understand?
This is the basic pt of my side of the argument. Your post is a great, basic example.
Now, in fairness to pellius, GH 15, etc to be a top level bodybuilder you have to use drugs. The freakish size and cuts required to be a top IFBB pro require enhancement and great genetics. We could argue just how important drugs are all day. BUT, without drug testing it is a moot pt and basic reality in hardcore ,elite level BB.
The reality is that most guys who lift are never going to come close to an IFBB pro card.
The vast majority of guys who lift simply want a "6 pack", a bigger bench or bigger guns, etc.
ANY guiy who trains hard and east a decent diet can make gains WITHOUT a bunch of drugs.
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What constitutes an impressive physique varies widely. The standards here on GetBig does not reflect the public at large. What gh15 is saying is that you cannot build a competitive bodybuilding physique without drugs. And at the top level it requires a lot of them. He does not like the lies being spewed to the young and naive that if you take supplements they endorse and follow their training protocol (which I doubt is accurately featured in the magazine articles) you can close to looking like Victor Martinez
I think gh15 once described a truly natural physique, not just clean, that can be attained with proper and consistent training and nutrition is one that looks "fit."
Recall how the general public thought how great Brad Pitt looked in Fight Club and I remember as a boy thinking Bruce Lee was a muscular marvel. Both would be laughed off this board.
I remember as a kid when I first saw this short 35 second clip in the movie house I thought to myself, "Bruce Lee looks just like those guys in the magazine." And when Bruce hit a lat spread the audible gasps of awe was clearly heard by all. LOL!
Great post and makes the pt for both sides of this debate. Most guys that lift could care less about being an IFBB pro. Most woman sure as hell don't want to look like a pro BB shebeast. In fact seeing some male freak with 10 coats of pro tan isn't the female idea of male sex appeal. BB is what it is and top level BB is quite unique.
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I made a reference to a previous post I made but just found out it never posted. This board is so fucking slow that I often reply to one comment in one window and make another comment in another GetBig window.
This board is great. Board performance is just unbelievably bad.
Here's the post I tried to make:
Not really. Everyone pretty much reaches a point where they max out of size and consequently also max out of strength. Or vice versa.
It varies here and there but a guy like Cutler is pretty much maxed out on size and strength.
Now you can make the opposite argument that you can get stronger but not bigger. Say in power lifting/Olympic lifting. But that is not because you are getting stronger in the sense of increase muscular contractile force but more likely from neurological efficiency and technique. Your body just gets better and more efficient in that particular movement (say, a bench press).
not what i said at all.
what im saying is, simply this. u dont have to keep lifting heavier weights to get bigger.
now of course there is a time where u wont get any bigger or stronger, we see this all the time with pro bodybuilders and athletes in other sports.
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not what i said at all.
what im saying is, simply this. u dont have to keep lifting heavier weights to get bigger.
now of course there is a time where u wont get any bigger or stronger, we see this all the time with pro bodybuilders and athletes in other sports.
I think every pro has had to: hoist some heavy iron at some pt and also would admit they can't always lift heavy and need some pumping.
If lifting the biggest wt was the real , end all key to BB success, the best bodybuilders would be the best powerlifters.
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ANyone who claims that bodybuilding success is mostly about drugs and your genetic response to them is an IDIOT.
That is as silly as saying that drugs don't work at all or make any difference in the size of a bodybuilder.
Obviously drugs enhance any physique and make a difference . BUT to me , diet discipline , muscle shape, separation , training intensity, avoiding injury, peaking , etc are all key factors . To act like drugs is the vast majority of success is ignornant and stupid.
this is why your a sickening old man............who who should be barred from speaking. you are almost so dumb, its embarrasing. and you dont do it anonymously either, EVERYONE knows who your creepy old ass is. ::) ::)
why would jim (disgusted) be GH15...............it makes ZERO sense to ANYONE with a fucking brain.
when you get past, gh15s 3rd person speech pattern, fucked up diction and nuanced way of speaking..............At the end of the day, what he says as far as hormones and pro bodybuilding is pretty much identical to what Disgusted says
so why would he need to make a gimmick............to say what he is already saying...........its fucking redundant
if i was going to make a gimmick, i would be to fuck with someone, or to be provocative and outlandish.............. ..not to say what i , myself, am already saying
and thats why your a moron................i honestly dont even know how people like you exist from day to day.............you must have mental problems, creepy old fuck ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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this is why your a sickening old man............who who should be barred from speaking. you are almost so dumb, its embarrasing. and you dont do it anonymously either, EVERYONE knows who your creepy old ass is. ::) ::)
why would jim (disgusted) be GH15...............it makes ZERO sense to ANYONE with a fucking brain.
when you get past, gh15s 3rd person speech pattern, fucked up diction and nuanced way of speaking..............At the end of the day, what he says as far as hormones and pro bodybuilding is pretty much identical to what Disgusted says
so why would he need to make a gimmick............to say what he is already saying...........its fucking redundant
if i was going to make a gimmick, i would be to fuck with someone, or to be provocative and outlandish.............. ..not to say what i , myself, am already saying
and thats why your a moron................i honestly dont even know how people like you exist from day to day.............you must have mental problems, creepy old fuck ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Hmmm, I guess the romance is over and the wedding postponed?
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well ,,every 5-6 month or so ,,usually bi yearly,,mr howard like to come and challenge god of hormones,,now i could let my pack of hyenas tare him apart like they just did along the posting,,but i since he is an elder and love bodybuilding i will contribute to this thred with few facts for mr howard,,
1. the hormones are not a must inorder to be an ifbb pro ,,it is amust to be able to compete in almost ANY COMPETITION unless you do a local classroom in middle texas competition but even part of those kids wil lbe on ,,so the drugs are there from the get go ,,
2. the more you take the bigger you will be,,it is a rule of thumb ,,yes there is diminishing returns but! the more legit test yuo are on the bigger you will be and 1 gram is not even close to diminishing anything
3. foundation is very impoerant and this is why i keep saying that phillip heath is a bad bodybuilder,,he just dont have it ,,same as tomas prince,,they blew up on drugs ,,so yes in this case i agree the foundation is a must inroder to develop an even better physiqe on hormones in relashion to fellas who just stuck needle in themselves
4. genetic repsonse is the key factor when it comes to pro level,,every one take drugs amatuer and professional but the professional responded better to it ,,their genetic RESPONSE was better thus were able to pull more for the same and also were able to sustain more drugs ,aka our body was able to use the drugs and sustain the abuse the best if you can call it the best,,
5. all the aspects you say about training and nutrition and th e such will be absolutely useless and worthless with out hormones and enough of those hormones for the lean muscle mass the bodybuilder is ,,it is not sustainable with out the constant use and abuse of those drugs,,
6. in relashion to who has best genetics ,,the ones with best genetics doesnt mean biggest size,,it means best muscle shape ,,those are usually fellas that sit at 160-170lb at 5'10 at 8% with well developed muscle bellies ,,thats what it is no more no less,,
7.in the amatuer level genetics means absolutely nothing,,it is the consistancy in drug taking and the ability to nail condition while maintainig enough size which wont be there unless the bodybuilder use hormones,,there was never a true natural big fella that was able to get shredded down to mid singles ,,never been such an animal as of yet,,in the PROS thats where genetics matter when you try to decide who win show at the top level thats when the little things come into considerations when everyone has similar development and you need to establish a winner ,,THATS WHEN GENETICS COMES INTO PLAY
8. ron colman was on hormones way way before he was even remotely a professional,,he was on all through amatuer levels
9. you can only GROW into a show by using HGH ,,no hgh meaning you can not grow into a show and can only DIET INTO ONE AKA LOSING WEIGHT INORDER TO GET ON STAGE,,
10. if the jew was fed what we take he may have not been a top pro or even top amatuer but he would be able to do national and place 15th like 1000s other bodybuilder around the world who do it on regular basis,,
11. diet ONLY matter when dieting for a show
12, jason cutler and dorian are both fellas with average genetics as in NOTHING TO WRITE HOME ABOUT that responded to drugs PHENOMINALLY and the rest is history
13. the hormone smarket is absolutely HUGE ,,there is so much sells going in americana its starrts being equivelentto prostitution number,,that includes professional athletes liek the football players you were talkin about which are ALWAYS ON HORMONES,, not to forget gh has no way of being detcted,,anyone can claim being diabetic and in need of insulin ,,and no ester produducts being sold to pro athletes on regular basis via team docs,,via black market ,,and via gurus,, they all buy it in bulk from suppliers who sit both in europe and china
14. the black market got so big that any kid now days in americana buy poweders cook them and open some stupid ug lab that sell bunk balonie ,,they keep everything for thmselves and sell you kids bunk shit that make you think you have average response since you INJECT BUNK GEAR,,those are the real criminals ,,they abuse the begginers who have all intention to be serious in bodybuilding and make a lot of money out of your dream
15. the bodybuilder who got anywhere always got there buy using HUMAN GRADE LEGIT HORMONES,,he always have good connection and always use good prducts ,,it is never hrt by the way and always black market but! it is legit products sold by legit suppliers,,
16. the fact mr howard didnt become a professional doesnt mean he should come here and ruin it to the beggining fellas which i consider my pupils,,the fact you coudnt do it doesnt mean they cant,,and trust me there are a number on this board that one day will be professionals and dont need your bad karma ,,the reason they will be professionals is not new technics or new food ,,it is because they knew to begin with what to do ! they had god of hormones to guide them when they were 18 and saved them years over years of the TEARS YOU SHED BECAUSE OF YOUR GYM RAT ATTITUDE BACK IN THE DAY,,
17. there sare many boards on the internet ,,gh15 has invitation to each and every one of them including BEGGINGS to just come and be member of honor just to the board get following,,gh15 refused to all,,gh15 chose the getbig board because it is a no bullshit place ,,majority of members here are the bodybuilders themselves who compete and also fans who know the real truth and have no agenda!,,all other boards have agendas with suppliers and corrupt people on them who live and make a living on your stupidity,,this is the only place that is not and thats why it became the DUNGEON OF BODYBUILDING,,this is the place to be ,,and this is not a place to spit bullcrap,,you as a past competetive bodybuilder should know that this cult is mainly drugs,,you know it well and so are everyone around on each and every board concerning bodybuilding,,
18. next time you try to say what gh15 says ,,make sure you quote it right,,i said majority of bodybuilding is hormones ,,there is still training and nutrition in the equation,,its just not as important as the products you use in modern bodybuilding
for I! AM THE GOD OF HORMONES,,
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aahahaahah, now that must've hurt, Howie.
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aahahaahah, now that must've hurt, Howie.
No, not really hehe. In fact I started an outline fromat thread on BOTH sides of this debate.
Think about adding your thoughts on the drugs issue in that thread.There is more than enough silly insult threads here. Maybe, just maybe we can all act like adults and argue on an actual topic, Thanks
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No, not really hehe. In fact I started an outline fromat thread on BOTH sides of this debate.
Think about adding your thoughts on the drugs issue in that thread.There is more than enough silly insult threads here. Maybe, just maybe we can all act like adults and argue on an actual topic, Thanks
I guess disturbia was right when he mentioned that you're so dull that you only get one tenth of all the jokes around here and completely no understand that nobody here likes you.
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Size and strength is of course related. But what stimulates an adaptive response, i.e., muscle growth in this case is subjecting your body to a stimuli it is not accustom to. This could be an increase resistance, or time under tension (TUT) often measured by an increase in reps. But like all things this has it's limits. As I mentioned in my previous post you can keep increasing load but this may be that you are simply getting better at the movement. If you switch the stimuli, say squats to front squats, this may trigger a new adaptive response.
Of course, everything has it's limits no matter what you do or what you take.
the only thing thats going to cause an adaptive response is if you overload the muscle and cause trauma. only possible if your using more weight or more reps (or same weight and same reps just faster on the concentric and slower on the eccentric)
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the only thing thats going to cause an adaptive response is if you overload the muscle and cause trauma. only possible if your using more weight or more reps (or same weight and same reps just faster on the concentric and slower on the eccentric)
No, you can also do so by changing the stimuli. Your body adapts very readily. Say, you have been flat dumbbell flies for eons. You're able to add weight over the years but eventually weight/overload progression slows considerably. You never experience DOMS. Then say you switch to the pec dec. Chances are you will experience DOMS.
You can also vary the stimuli using various intensity variables (forced reps, partials/burns, drop sets, rest pause...).
There is a correlation between size and strength but not necessarily a direct causation. A world class bodybuilder at the same height and weight of a power lifter/Olympic lifter carries far more muscle yet the power/Olympic lifter can lift more weight -- far more weight -- than a bodybuilder.
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your only going to grow from the new stimuli if the weight your using is enough to overload the muscle based on the weights you have been lifting with the other stimuli.
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This is the basic pt of my side of the argument. Your post is a great, basic example.
Now, in fairness to pellius, GH 15, etc to be a top level bodybuilder you have to use drugs. The freakish size and cuts required to be a top IFBB pro require enhancement and great genetics. We could argue just how important drugs are all day. BUT, without drug testing it is a moot pt and basic reality in hardcore ,elite level BB.
The reality is that most guys who lift are never going to come close to an IFBB pro card.
The vast majority of guys who lift simply want a "6 pack", a bigger bench or bigger guns, etc.
ANY guiy who trains hard and east a decent diet can make gains WITHOUT a bunch of drugs.
NO,, EVERY BODYBUILDER WAY BEFORE PROFESSIONAL ANYTHING,,ANY BODYBUILDER ANY LIFTER THAT WANNA WALK AT 5'10 220LB AT 10% USE HORMONES ,,ITS NOT ONLY THE FREAKY ONE OR THE ONE WHO HAVE DEEP CUT,,IT IS EVERY LIFTER WHO WANT TO GO PAST NATURAL LIMITS WHISH I STATED WHAT THEY WERE ,,,7LB PER INCH OF HEIGHT A NATURAL LIMIT IS STANDING AT 5'9 175-180 AT 8% ,,THAT IS CORRECT YOU WILL NEVER BE OVER 165LB ON STAGE NATURALLY AT THE HEIGHT OF 5'9 AT TRUE! 6% YOU HEARD ME RIGHT FRIENDS,,YOU WILL NEVER SEE 4-5% UNLESS HORMONIZED OR HAVE STOMACK DEASESE IF HEALTH PROBLEM IS WHY YOU ARE 4% IT WILL BE EVEN WITH ALL YOU CAN EAT DIET AND YOU WILL BE 6'3 175LB IN THAT RATIO DEPARTMENT,,AGAIN 7LB PER EVERY INCH OF HEIGHT
YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND ONCE AND FOR ALL HOWARD THAT MY WORDS ARE NOT UP FOR ARGUMENTS ,,I DO YOU A FAVOR I WRITE THIS ,,YOU ALREADY KNOW IT BUT! I DO A FAVOR FOR THE 100S OF THE INNOCENT BODYBUILDERS WHO GET ROBBED AND MISLEADED ON DAILY BASIS STARTING AT AGE 15 AND GOING UP TO LATE 20S WHEN THEY DISCOVER HOW IT REALLY IS,,THE ONES WHO DONT LISTEN TO OLD GEEZER LIKE YOU ARE ON HORMONES FROM AGE 20 AND BY 30 ARE ALREADY PROFESSIONALS AND TOP AMATUERS ,,THE ONES WHO LISTEN TO THE DANTAS AND HAWIS ARE NEVER BODYBUILDERS PER SAY ...THEY ARE MORE OF A FAN JUST LIKE YOU HOWARD,,YOU WILL FIND THEM AT THE O EXPO WAITING IN LINE TO GET ME TO SIGN THEIR STUPID SHIRT,,
THE IMPORTANT OF DRUGS IS IN EVERY SPORT ,,AND IN BODYBUILDING AT ALL STAGES THAT INCLUDES LOCAL MR BATHROOM,, THE RESPONSE TO THOSE HORMONES WILL DETERMINE WHO WILL MAKE MONEY FROM BODYBUILDING ,,AND EVEN THEN! YOU NEED TO KISS ASS AND BE VERY VERY LUCKY AND THEN YOU MAY HAVE DECENT LIFE,,NOTHING MORE THAN DECENT! BECAUSE YOU WILL STILL HAVE TO PUT MONEY ON LOTS AND LOTS OF ...YOU GOT THAT RIGHT HORMONES!
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in regards to strengh,,strengh does NOT = size,,it has nothing to do with eachother,,the genetic repsond to the hormones with the ability to put stress aka training it with heavy weight = size,, the size will stop coming at a point even if you increase in strength ,,it will come slower and slower into a complete stop UNLESS you increase doses of hormones,,
training routine has nothing to do with it,, nutrition has absolutly nothing to do with it ,,YOUR TENDOINDS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT ,,YOUR BONE STRUCTURE AND BONE STRENGH,,YOUR GENETIC ORIGIN,,AND YOU HEART AND MIND,,then a good strength drugs such as halotestin and suspension and superdrol which is laune norton lover will make any mouce into a strong beyond belif tiger,, there is no ifs or buts ,,this is not up for debate
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THE ONES WHO LISTEN TO THE DANTAS AND HAWIS ARE NEVER BODYBUILDERS PER SAY ...THEY ARE MORE OF A FAN JUST LIKE YOU HOWARD,,YOU WILL FIND THEM AT THE O EXPO WAITING IN LINE TO GET ME TO SIGN THEIR STUPID SHIRT,,
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LOL! Gold. Pure Gold.
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WTF dose GH15 mean 7 pounds per inch of height? So 60 inches would be 420 pounds natural. Something is wrong here. Or does he mean 7 # per inch past 5'9 180.
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in regards to strengh,,strengh does NOT = size,,it has nothing to do with eachother,,the genetic repsond to the hormones with the ability to put stress aka training it with heavy weight = size,, the size will stop coming at a point even if you increase in strength ,,it will come slower and slower into a complete stop UNLESS you increase doses of hormones,,
training routine has nothing to do with it,, nutrition has absolutly nothing to do with it ,,YOUR TENDOINDS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH IT ,,YOUR BONE STRUCTURE AND BONE STRENGH,,YOUR GENETIC ORIGIN,,AND YOU HEART AND MIND,,then a good strength drugs such as halotestin and suspension and superdrol which is laune norton lover will make any mouce into a strong beyond belif tiger,, there is no ifs or buts ,,this is not up for debate
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im not saying you dont know what your talking about. certainly strength doesnt equal size. but if you look at what im saying, i never said that strength did equal size. see, saying: "in order to get bigger you have to get stronger" is not the same thing as saying "in order to get stronger you have to get bigger". im only saying the first one.
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Guess what part 2: If you ran exactly 1 mile every day for a year your V02 max would improve.
Whats so hard about this to understand?
No, it won't. If you have already been running a mile for any length of time and you don't increase the distance or speed, your VO2 max won't change at all. If you haven't been running and you start, it will increase very rapidly at first and then will stagnate. If you keep running at the same pace and the same distance, your VO2 max will never increase again past the point it reached quickly. If you run another ten years at that same pace and distance, you will maintain your VO2 max at exactly the same level.
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No, it won't. If you have already been running a mile for any length of time and you don't increase the distance or speed, your VO2 max won't change at all. If you haven't been running and you start, it will increase very rapidly at first and then will stagnate. If you keep running at the same pace and the same distance, your VO2 max will never increase again past the point it reached quickly. If you run another ten years at that same pace and distance, you will maintain your VO2 max at exactly the same level.
It's kinda like an analogy I like to use about swinging a hammer. Think of how many times a carpenter does it, or at least used to before nail-guns, and their arms don't get any bigger....now if they were to bump up to a 25lb or 50lb sledge, you would see a difference.
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It's kinda like an analogy I like to use about swinging a hammer. Think of how many times a carpenter does it, or at least used to before nail-guns, and their arms don't get any bigger....now if they were to bump up to a 25lb or 50lb sledge, you would see a difference.
Exactly right. On another hammering note, MunchAnus told me he didn't think it was fair that you can pound 1000 nails and it doesn't make you a carpenter, but you suck one cock and you're a homo forever.
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LOL! Gold. Pure Gold.
You have trained with Rickson Gracie...wasn`t he claiming 5`10 185lbs an he was prete lean about 10% -he also claimed of not lifting weights! Was thous claims real or was he used steroids?
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You have trained with Rickson Gracie...wasn`t he claiming 5`10 185lbs an he was prete lean about 10% -he also claimed of not lifting weights! Was thous claims real or was he used steroids?
He didn't train with weights in the sense that we do. But he did do resistance training and that often included weights. Steroids weren't even in his world. Wasn't even a thought let alone a consideration. Just not their thing. He even was against weight lifting as we know it, or at least had a dim view of it. Still had that old school way of thinking that it made you stiff and inflexible.
BTW, Rickson and Royce are half brothers. As is common in third world countries, males have several families and Helio (Rickson's father) as well as the rest of that generation of Gracies were very -- well, reproductive. Rickson's mother is suppose to have been part Black.