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GH15 is wrong whenever he says protein powder is garbage. There is no reason to say this. Whey protein is the same as any other type of protein. Same results, same thing. It's cheaper and more convenient. To say you will build bigger muscles on raw egg white liquid than protein powder is pretty silly.
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Whenever he says protein powder is garbage. There is no reason to say this. Whey protein is the same as any other type of protein. Same results, same thing. It's cheaper and more convenient. To say you will build bigger muscles on raw egg white liquid than protein powder is pretty silly.
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I think it's more a part of his BB industry is a scam routine, and less that protein power, in and of itself, is useless.
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Protein powder is useless. Just eat some fucking food.
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Protein powder is useless. Just eat some fucking food.
useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
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Protein powder is useless. Just eat some fucking food.
It's not useless when you have times where eating food is not convenient or even possible. Many work environments will drive this situation.
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useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
Why the fuck would you have more shakes and less solid food?
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I use both but can powder possibly be absorbed by the body as good as liquid egg whites?
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Why the fuck would you have more shakes and less solid food?
I wouldn't because I have the appetite of a sumo wrestler. But if I did have more shakes than food, which I have done at one point in the past, the results were EXACTLY THE SAME. Protein is protein, bottom line.
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It's not useless when you have times where eating food is not convenient or even possible. Many work environments will drive this situation.
Unless you're stuck in the desert with nothing but a bottle of water and whey protein, there really is no reason to take protein powder. If you're working and you don't have time for a solid meal, why not just eat a granola bar and an apple or some shit? Or why not try fasting for a little bit? This idea that you need 30 grams of protein (or more) every few hours is laughable.
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Whenever he says protein powder is garbage. There is no reason to say this. Whey protein is the same as any other type of protein. Same results, same thing. It's cheaper and more convenient. To say you will build bigger muscles on raw egg white liquid than protein powder is pretty silly.
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Assuming that what you have in hands are truly protein powder.
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Unless you're stuck in the desert with nothing but a bottle of water and whey protein, there really is no reason to take protein powder. If you're working and you don't have time for a solid meal, why not just eat a granola bar and an apple or some shit? Or why not try fasting for a little bit? This idea that you need 30 grams of protein (or more) every few hours is laughable.
How would a granola bar and apple be more advantageous than whey protein? whey protein is the cheapest source of protein and easiest to take down
Your logic has been horrendous this whole thread. I suggest you stop posting and move on to other threads unless you have valid arguments to make.
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I wouldn't because I have the appetite of a sumo wrestler. But if I did have more shakes than food, which I have done at one point in the past, the results were EXACTLY THE SAME. Protein is protein, bottom line.
I agree that protein is protein and I wouldn't be surprised if you had the same results. But the fact of the matter is that:
1) Solid food tastes better.
2) Solid food doesn't get you bloated and give you protein farts unless you eat some really wacky shit.
3) Solid food is more filling - so you don't overdo calories.
4) You don't need as much protein as the supplement companies tell you anyway, so there really is no reason to supplement your diet with protein powder.
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How would a granola bar and apple be more advantageous than whey protein? whey protein is the cheapest source of protein and easiest to take down
Your logic has been horrendous this whole thread. I suggest you stop posting and move on to other threads unless you have valid arguments to make.
I'm not arguing that it would be more advantageous than whey protein. I'm arguing that whey protein isn't more advantageous, so there is no reason to take it. You can just as well live off of some carbs and get all of your protein in a few meals later in the day if you're too busy at work for large, solid meals.
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I agree that protein is protein and I wouldn't be surprised if you had the same results. But the fact of the matter is that:
1) Solid food tastes better.
2) Solid food doesn't get you bloated and give you protein farts unless you eat some really wacky shit.
3) Solid food is more filling - so you don't overdo calories.
4) You don't need as much protein as the supplement companies tell you anyway, so there really is no reason to supplement your diet with protein powder.
that's all I'm saying.
I agree with your other points, except that protein powder doesn't make me fart personally. Solid food is way more filling, which is why I do eat mostly solid food. I only have pre and post workout (with oats or some type of carb), and also before bed I have casein and whey together (with almonds)
I'm not arguing that it would be more advantageous than whey protein. I'm arguing that whey protein isn't more advantageous, so there is no reason to take it. You can just as well live off of some carbs and get all of your protein in a few meals later in the day if you're too busy at work for large, solid meals.
Now I understand what you are saying. I am only arguing that results won't be any different. GH15 seems to indicate that results will be different
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your body was meant to digest food, not this supplement crap, protein powder is way inferior to any food source with protein in it, do you actually think the pros use this shit outside of the youtube videos?
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He is not wrong and it is garbage. A lot of guys I know that compete at the national level all said they feel and look better when they stop protein powder. Protein powder is not a natural form of protein your body absorbs. You end up shitting more than you actually absorb. It is garbage and not worth it.
When people spend $4 at GNC for a shitty shake when you can buy two chicken breasts for the same price, grill them and have a better source.
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I used to take powders but switched to whole foods about 2 years ago and am never going back. It seems more logical to eat the food, a chicken breast is a chicken breast, no filler, no bs. Protein powder, despite the nutritional info leaves you wondering what your getting. I wouldn't doubt that companies underdose it and use mainly filler. Plus most powders give you gas and leave you bloated, probably because your body is trying to figure out what the fuck you just fed it. Eggs, tuna, milk, oats; all very cheap plus you know what you're getting, so there shouldn't be any reason to substitute.
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He is also wrong about music!
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whey is just more convienent....... i only take it after a workout.
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Protein powder is useless. Just eat some fucking food.
this. go to sam's or cosco and load up on lean meats. the end.
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Whenever he says protein powder is garbage. There is no reason to say this. Whey protein is the same as any other type of protein. Same results, same thing. It's cheaper and more convenient. To say you will build bigger muscles on raw egg white liquid than protein powder is pretty silly.
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Not cheaper. The rest, I agree.
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protein is protein,,,, shake or solid, doesnt matter
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PROTEIN IS PROTEIN BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE THAT PROTEIN POWDER. THAT'S THE TRUTH.
LIQUID EGG WHITES INSTEAD OF PROTEIN POWDER AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE OF THOSE EGG WHITES.
WHEY PROTEIN IS CHEAP AS SHIT BUT PEOPLE STILL FAKE IT. THAT SHOWS U HOW MUCH DOUCHEBAGGERY THERE IS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
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^^^^ this.
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PROTEIN IS PROTEIN BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE THAT PROTEIN POWDER. THAT'S THE TRUTH.
LIQUID EGG WHITES INSTEAD OF PROTEIN POWDER AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE OF THOSE EGG WHITES.
WHEY PROTEIN IS CHEAP AS SHIT BUT PEOPLE STILL FAKE IT. THAT SHOWS U HOW MUCH DOUCHEBAGGERY THERE IS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
i cant talk for us, but uk is strict as fuck in regard to consumer rights
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PROTEIN IS PROTEIN BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE THAT PROTEIN POWDER. THAT'S THE TRUTH.
LIQUID EGG WHITES INSTEAD OF PROTEIN POWDER AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE OF THOSE EGG WHITES.
WHEY PROTEIN IS CHEAP AS SHIT BUT PEOPLE STILL FAKE IT. THAT SHOWS U HOW MUCH DOUCHEBAGGERY THERE IS IN THIS INDUSTRY.
this is why everyone should just go with the brands we know are legit like ON or Myofusion. I can guarantee you those work. Otherwise, you raise a good point. I remember American Whey getting pulled from the shelves because it was bullshit
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this is why everyone should just go with the brands we know are legit like ON or Myofusion. I can guarantee you those work. Otherwise, you raise a good point. I remember American Whey getting pulled from the shelves because it was bullshit
a very prominent local guy who does very well as a heavyweight on the NPC national scene told a friend of mine that as long as you get some form of protein powder post workout youre fine, he said even if its the Wal-Mart brand you're fine, he said all the bullshit about different brnads is nonsense.
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useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
I agree...personally I grow better of shakes it seems like. The difference is I buy it the grocery store for 20 bucks instead of some fancy kind, I went 6 months without using protein powders ..man what a pain in the ass. 3 meals a day is all I can stomach anyways, you need the shakes. egg whites fuck my stomach
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a very prominent local guy who does very well as a heavyweight on the NPC national scene told a friend of mine that as long as you get some form of protein powder post workout youre fine, he said even if its the Wal-Mart brand you're fine, he said all the bullshit about different brnads is nonsense.
times2...There is no way there is any protein on the market that does not have protein in it. Guidelines are way too strict..it may be filled with fillers and junk quality protein, but if a product says 25 grams of whey concentrate per scoop it has just that
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this is why everyone should just go with the brands we know are legit like ON or Myofusion. I can guarantee you those work. Otherwise, you raise a good point. I remember American Whey getting pulled from the shelves because it was bullshit
I WAS TOLD BEFORE, ON HERE, THAT MYOFUSION IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
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I WAS TOLD BEFORE, ON HERE, THAT MYOFUSION IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
really? . I'm using EAS at the moment from my local publix..tired some isopure it was awful
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I agree...personally I grow better of shakes it seems like. The difference is I buy it the grocery store for 20 bucks instead of some fancy kind, I went 6 months without using protein powders ..man what a pain in the ass. 3 meals a day is all I can stomach anyways, you need the shakes. egg whites fuck my stomach
Somehow I highly doubt that, unless your diet without shakes was retarded. You only need so much protein in a day that's easily done by eating meats - no need for shakes, eggs, or milk. In addition, if you're worried about catabolism, just up your carb intake, since it's protein sparing.
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protien powder is usless,, it is powder...you dont know what you get inside,, and even if it is protien it is still powder...true body doesnt knwo wht you give it ,,but! but!! you give it papeti all whites...will be much beter than some covict order of some powder to make his monthly $ for kigtropin
its a scam ,, all big scam ,, no need for it ,, sergio oliva would sit here pee in his pants
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i fotgot to mention importent detail ,, protien powdr intake will CREATE what i call as water retetnion and estrogenic rize in body that WILL NEVER EVER GO AWAY ,,you will have to fight very hard to get into contest shape after years of protien suplementation ,,
now you mark the minutes until danta and sons come here,, but this is nothing comparing to what waiting for them on the website,, their nightmare is about to hapen
BIG TIME
gh15 approved
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protien powder is usless,, it is powder...you dont know what you get inside,, and even if it is protien it is still powder...true body doesnt knwo wht you give it ,,but! but!! you give it papeti all whites...will be much beter than some covict order of some powder to make his monthly $ for kigtropin
its a scam ,, all big scam ,, no need for it ,, sergio oliva would sit here pee in his pants
gh15 approved
Dr. Darden has a great little tidbit of information regarding Sergio in one of his books... he mentions how one of Sergio's favorite post-workout meals was a pizza with coca cola. And this was BEFORE gh and tren were around and popular. Goes to show you how much bullshit bodybuilders fall for.
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Dr. Darden has a great little tidbit of information regarding Sergio in one of his books... he mentions how one of Sergio's favorite post-workout meals was a pizza with coca cola. And this was BEFORE gh and tren were around and popular. Goes to show you how much bullshit bodybuilders fall for.
absolitly no need for ptoeirn poweder,, and i will let you on another secret....THERE IS ABSOLITLY NO NEED FOR IMMEDIATE PROTIEN POST TRAINING...what most of us bodybuild who are on alot of hormones do...and to all the morons who say gh15 is waiting for website so only there is spill beans they can see they are wrong for i say everything on thunderdome too ....what most of us bodybuild who are on a lot of hormones do is....WE MAKE SURE WE GET IN PROTIEN BFORE TRAINING,, eggwhites or other ,, and after training we wait a good 60 min before we put in protien ,, nothing is calculated to the t ,, NOTHING,, you know your body you train it to be specific way,, protien powders are not needed,,
gh15 approved
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Might have similiar bodybuilding results in the short term with Whey and shit quality food but if you in for the long haul, huge difference with high quality nutritionally dense food.
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Whenever he says protein powder is garbage. There is no reason to say this. Whey protein is the same as any other type of protein. Same results, same thing. It's cheaper and more convenient. To say you will build bigger muscles on raw egg white liquid than protein powder is pretty silly.
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100% right
pure whey isolate is good to have
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Dr. Darden has a great little tidbit of information regarding Sergio in one of his books... he mentions how one of Sergio's favorite post-workout meals was a pizza with coca cola. And this was BEFORE gh and tren were around and popular. Goes to show you how much bullshit bodybuilders fall for.
I'm not saying you NEED protein powder, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with it. Although gh15 just mentioned something about an estrogenic rise that doesn't go away. Hopefully someone can elaborate
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i prefer protein powder to solid food
not whey though, i don't like ON whey very much.
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ISOLATE is somewhat good,but other whey is GARBAGE.You do not want to know it's provenience,what chemicals inside,colorants,sweeteners,lots of dirty stuff.We already got estrogens in most foods,no need to fuck your body completely. :o
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absolitly no need for ptoeirn poweder,, and i will let you on another secret....THERE IS ABSOLITLY NO NEED FOR IMMEDIATE PROTIEN POST TRAINING...what most of us bodybuild who are on alot of hormones do...and to all the morons who say gh15 is waiting for website so only there is spill beans they can see they are wrong for i say everything on thunderdome too ....what most of us bodybuild who are on a lot of hormones do is....WE MAKE SURE WE GET IN PROTIEN BFORE TRAINING,, eggwhites or other ,, and after training we wait a good 60 min before we put in protien ,, nothing is calculated to the t ,, NOTHING,, you know your body you train it to be specific way,, protien powders are not needed,,
gh15 approved
100% correct too
there is nothing like a window to shuttle nutrients into muscle short after workout
the only need of body after exercise is water
stopping catabolic processes after workout with supps is a legend made up by supp companies to sell their shit
and a myth created by insulin abusers afraid of hypoglyc to hide their abuse
actually the catabolism measured after workout is good and necessary to get out the degradation products out of the system
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ISOLATE is somewhat good,but other whey is GARBAGE.You do not want to know it's provenience,what chemicals inside,colorants,sweeteners,lots of dirty stuff.We already got estrogens in most foods,no need to fuck your body completely. :o
it s got to be 100% filtrated whey isolate
because that s as natural protein as eggwhites
basically its just milk without the other ingrediant s
all other proteinpowders exspecially with flavors sweeteners vitamins minerals and so on i would never touch
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I'm not saying you NEED protein powder, I'm just saying there is nothing wrong with it. Although gh15 just mentioned something about an estrogenic rise that doesn't go away. Hopefully someone can elaborate
I totally agree with you, I just don't think protein powder is worth the price when you could instead enjoy a tasty and affordable meal.
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i fotgot to mention importent detail ,, protien powdr intake will CREATE what i call as water retetnion and estrogenic rize in body that WILL NEVER EVER GO AWAY ,,you will have to fight very hard to get into contest shape after years of protien suplementation ,,
now you mark the minutes until danta and sons come here,, but this is nothing comparing to what waiting for them on the website,, their nightmare is about to hapen
BIG TIME
gh15 approved
whats the reason for the bloat?
i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep
would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?
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ISOLATE is somewhat good,but other whey is GARBAGE.You do not want to know it's provenience,what chemicals inside,colorants,sweeteners,lots of dirty stuff.We already got estrogens in most foods,no need to fuck your body completely. :o
I really don't think they are much different to be honest. I've tried all kinds over the years. Never notice a thing from a difference perspective. The only time my blood work will be out of normal ranges is on certain AAS
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I totally agree with you, I just don't think protein powder is worth the price when you could instead enjoy a tasty and affordable meal.
I have to say I like it pre workout with oats. This has my been pre workout meal for years. quick digesting protein with slower digesting carbs. Yes probably 100% utter complete broscience. However, I feel good during my workouts doing this. Post I will usually do one scoop, 1 chicken breast, and either white rice or oats. Pre-bed I have 1 scoop casein and 1 scoop whey, but only because I hate cottage cheese. Otherwise, I love food. I just had a huge fried chicken, mac n cheese, and mashed potatoes for lunch today
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Pointless. You do not need it in the slightest, good quality whole foods are much better, you know what is in it for a start.. Liquids usually absorb quicker than solids on an empty digestive system, however the key word here is EMPTY. Now if you really think that chicken and rice you consumed 2-4 hours ago has been completely digested and all the nutrients used then your a fool. Your body will regulate the speed of its digestive system depending on its needs. So if you eat regular, all that bull shit of when you gulp down your shake 20 minutes later and you got 30-50g of "protein" from your shake fully digested into aminos ready to use is bulls shit. This is still swirling around in your stomach being trickled into your intestines behiind all your other meals. The fact the body cannot store amino acids therefore says something.. protein is used to repair existing cells and create new cells and substances such as hormones. Do you really think that in the time it takes to eat one shake and have another meal your body if it would of not had this would of loss 30-50g of its total mass?
As long as there is something in your intestines being digested that provides more calories than its taking to run your body at that given time your anabolic, if not and your exerting more calories than comming in your catabolic.
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I really don't think they are much different to be honest. I've tried all kinds over the years. Never notice a thing from a difference perspective. The only time my blood work will be out of normal ranges is on certain AAS
It is,believe.back a few years ago i was a natural truly believing in it,i got some whey from ON.Well it bloated me very nicely,lost definition,bigger waist for sure.Plus when i farted i could kill an army :D I'll never buy whey or supps again,only roids and gh-one 8)
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whats the reason for the bloat?
i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep
would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?
you sure you saw us using protien powder in prep? you sure it was nto comercials with money behind it ,, or the way we make living aka sponsor..
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Pointless. You do not need it in the slightest, good quality whole foods are much better, you know what is in it for a start.. Liquids usually absorb quicker than solids on an empty digestive system, however the key word here is EMPTY. Now if you really think that chicken and rice you consumed 2-4 hours ago has been completely digested and all the nutrients used then your a fool. Your body will regulate the speed of its digestive system depending on its needs. So if you eat regular, all that bull shit of when you gulp down your shake 20 minutes later and you got 30-50g of "protein" from your shake fully digested into aminos ready to use is bulls shit. This is still swirling around in your stomach being trickled into your intestines behiind all your other meals. The fact the body cannot store amino acids therefore says something.. protein is used to repair existing cells and create new cells and substances such as hormones. Do you really think that in the time it takes to eat one shake and have another meal your body if it would of not had this would of loss 30-50g of its total mass?
As long as there is something in your intestines being digested that provides more calories than its taking to run your body at that given time your anabolic, if not and your exerting more calories than comming in your catabolic.
i don t think so, because at certain times it s hard to get 80 gramms of protein from natural foods without any fat or carbs when dieting, also it s impossible to get it with naural fodds without loading the digestion process much more than using powders
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useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
well i felt shitty on shakes.... and held more water...
mass wise it does not make a difference i agree...
but imo real food is far better.....
and you can do just fine without shakes.... this whole protein hysteria is bullshit anyway...
get in enough but 300/400 grams a day is just ridiculous.. i maybe get in 150 grams a day...
and i am doing just fine....
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whats the reason for the bloat?
i saw many pros from nasser to ronnie using proteinpowders in contest prep
would they have been in better shape without the wheprotein?
Try sponsership deal... this mean they must be seen to be using it! When they off camera they eating a Big Mac
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i don t think so, because at certain times it s hard to get 80 gramms of protein from natural foods without any fat or carbs when dieting, also it s impossible to get it with naural fodds without loading the digestion process much more than using powders
80 grams in one go? Ha are you mad! How many meals you eating a day?
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you sure you saw us using protien powder in prep? you sure it was nto comercials with money behind it ,, or the way we make living aka sponsor..
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no
i know many telling same storie as you did, never herad the estrogen version but many times the sweeteners , the synthetic vitamines....make the bloat
that may be plausible !
old school, you know?
didn t Bernd told you his consperacy theories about supps?
already in erly 90s
but also there are many competitive bodybuilders and also pros using whey isolate to get high protein without low carb
no commercial lol
and please answer my question
HOW DOES WHEYISOLATE cause higher estrogen levels?
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I believe Kyomu said before he eats/drinks 400 grams of protein a day when dieting (naturally) for a show, on Paco's advice? That's over 2 grams per lb bodyweight. If he reads this may be he can explain his thoughts on protein intake.
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no
i know many telling same storie as you did, never herad the estrogen version but many times the sweeteners , the synthetic vitamines....make the bloat
that may be plausible !
old school, you know?
didn t Bernd told you his consperacy theories about supps?
but also there are many competitive bodybuilders and also pros using whey isolate to get high protein without low carb
no commercial lol
and please answer my question
HOW DOES WHEYISOLATE cause higher estrogen levels?
pizza causes way more bloat than whey protein. just saying
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pizza causes way more bloat than whey protein. just saying
does sodium also increase estrogen levels? ::)
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I have to say I like it pre workout with oats. This has my been pre workout meal for years. quick digesting protein with slower digesting carbs. Yes probably 100% utter complete broscience. However, I feel good during my workouts doing this.
I do the same thing. Before working out I'll have either corn flakes or oatmeal with a scoop whey protien. For post workout I'll have eggwhites, w/a whole egg mixed in milk. I used to drink whey protein right after working out and it used to make me feel bloated.
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80 grams in one go? Ha are you mad! How many meals you eating a day?
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I do the same thing. Before working out I'll have either corn flakes or oatmeal with a scoop whey protien. For post workout I'll have eggwhites, w/a whole egg mixed in milk. I used to drink whey protein right after working out and it used to make me feel bloated.
I still do sometimes. Yea I know it's not necessary or whatever but it's not like it hurts either.
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Lot of bro science again:
Whey protein has a better bio-availability.
Whey protein has a better amino acid composition.
Bloating is due to allergies, mostly with whey concentrate or other impure forms.
Protein is protein, carbs are carbs and fats are fats. (body composition-wise, health evidence not conclusive)
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your mom has a good composition
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I think it has its place if you get it CHEAP and its cheaper then whole food sources. I dont think you need mega dose protein. If your short and dont carry much body weight you probaly can do with out. If you want whey go to walmart get 2lbs for 15. Being tall I feel I do better on 300grams or so a day so in my situation it makes since to add 50-100grams. I use cottage cheese kinda like protein powder or eggs whites also. Just dont pay $10+ a lb at that price I agree with gh15 eggwhites are better and better all togther just cost more. Or even go to gnc when your at the mall and get the proteins that are about to expire they are good for yrs after exp date especialy if kept in climate control I get 10+ of isolate for 20 dollars sometimes from there.
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So 400-480g of protein a day.. I really suggest you read up on "Deamination". I also suggest you read up on how the human body is composed.. I will give you a clue, 70% of it is water and in a healthy muscle roughly 20-22% of it is actual muscle protein which is made up of protein from amino acids.
So if all of the 480g of protein you consumed was fully digested and was soley used to build muscle in a day you would gain around 2.4kg (5.28lb) of muscle mass a day..we know this not to be the case, so you need to ask the question is all that protein being digested for a start and also how much is really needed to grow and maintain cells you already got..
Oh also look how much energy comes from 1g protein when it is used for energy (it is roughly the same as carbs - 4kcal)
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Lot of bro science again:
Whey protein has a better bio-availability.
Whey protein has a better amino acid composition.
Bloating is due to allergies, mostly with whey concentrate or other impure forms.
Protein is protein, carbs are carbs and fats are fats. (body composition-wise, health evidence not conclusive)
yes .. but the problem is not the protein... its what they add with the product..
sweetners....and all of the additives...
and also most whey is cheap crap, impure like you said.
all of my bodybuilding friends, never ever use any shake 6 weeks out of competition... because you get less sharp... just a fact....
real food = best...
easy to get about 200 grams of protein from real food... and you do not need more then that....
unless you are megadosing hgh plus slin....
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Research shows that strength athletes need 1.7g-1.8g per kg of bodyweight. Using this calculation, a 200lb bodybuilder would need 164g of protein per day. That's about 20% of their daily calories that would have to come from protein. That is extremely easy to attain, even when dieting.
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Research shows that strength athletes need 1.7g-1.8g per kg of bodyweight. Using this calculation, a 200lb bodybuilder would need 164g of protein per day. That's about 20% of their daily calories that would have to come from protein. That is extremely easy to attain, even when dieting.
thats not a steroid using body builder a steroid using body builder prolly would do good on around 1.25 -1.5 grams a pound
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100% correct too
there is nothing like a window to shuttle nutrients into muscle short after workout
of course there is, but the question is whether or not eating a large meal pre-workout will provide a sufficient amount of nutrients to accomplish this - the answer is yes.
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yes .. but the problem is not the protein... its what they add with the product..
sweetners....and all of the additives...
and also most whey is cheap crap, impure like you said.
all of my bodybuilding friends, never ever use any shake 6 weeks out of competition... because you get less sharp... just a fact....
real food = best...
easy to get about 200 grams of protein from real food... and you do not need more then that....
unless you are megadosing hgh plus slin....
I agree entirely. But that doesn't change the facts. Your friends had bloating as well with whey isolate? If it's just isolated protein as it should be, I can't see a possible reason for that other than it does indeed not contain what it should.
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unless you are using t3 you don't need that much daily protein if you are on steroids and most people will find they will still grow provided they aren't starving themselves
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I agree entirely. But that doesn't change the facts. Your friends had bloating as well with whey isolate? If it's just isolated protein as it should be, I can't see a possible reason for that other than it does indeed not contain what it should.
yes indeed... agree with you bro...
like you say it's not the protein itself but the crap they add to the final products...
last 6 weeks always real food....
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unless you are using t3 you don't need that much daily protein if you are on steroids and most people will find they will still grow provided they aren't starving themselves
amen!
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thats not a steroid using body builder a steroid using body builder prolly would do good on around 1.25 -1.5 grams a pound
Why?
1.25-1.5g per lb translates to 2.75-3.3g per kg in comparison. That is WAY overboard.
Only because steroids increase protein synthesis does not mean that you have to eat twice as much protein as the recommended amount for non-steroid users. Part of the increase in protein synthesis comes from a DECREASE in catabolism. That means less protein is being broken down, which means you don't have to eat that much more.
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terminator 3
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70% of it is water and in a healthy muscle roughly 20-22% of it is actual muscle protein which is made up of protein from amino acids.
So if all of the 480g of protein you consumed was fully digested and was soley used to build muscle in a day you would gain around 2.4kg (5.28lb) of muscle mass a day..we know this not to be the case, so you need to ask the question is all that protein being digested for a start and also how much is really needed to grow and maintain cells you already got..
Oh also look how much energy comes from 1g protein when it is used for energy (it is roughly the same as carbs - 4kcal)
^ one of the best posts here
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That's the backwards calculation Mike Mentzer did in his nutrition booklet. Makes you ponder about your protein intake throughout the years. Everyone here should have been Mr O size already even if only a percentage of what we consumed would have been utilized :'(
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does sodium also increase estrogen levels? ::)
other way, high estrogen will increase sodium, cause most protein powders contain soy
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Soy ??? Jesus!
Stop buying shit brands guys. I used a non-commercial whey isolate and never had any bloating. If it contains what it claims it contains, it can't cause more bloating than food protein. Of course with 'fitness' or bodybuilding brands you are probably getting ripped off.
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Soy ??? Jesus!
Stop buying shit brands guys. I used a non-commercial whey isolate and never had any bloating. If it contains what it claims it contains, it can't cause more bloating than food protein. Of course with 'fitness' or bodybuilding brands you are probably getting ripped off.
this. the protein brands I use dont make me bloat more than food. They make me bloat less actually
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90% brand protein powders contains soy, even if it does not say on the label they lie to your face
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Lactose intolerance is not a myth. 60% of American's have it. And most don't even know it or just deal with having the shits/bloat etc. The supplement companies will tell you that Whey only makes up about 6-7% lactose and it won't effect most people. That's simply a lie. There's a reason most protein powders bloat you and/or go right through your system. When you eat or drink something and your body doesn't digest it after years of using a food/product, its your body saying "cut the fucking shit out". There's a reason that in the animal kingdom, no animals drink milk after a certain point.
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WHY
WOULD
ANY
ONE
OF
YOU
BUY
ANY
KIND
OF
PROTIEN
ASIDE
FROM
EGG WHITES IN WALMART?
drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,
what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need
gh15 approved
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WHY
WOULD
ANY
ONE
OF
YOU
BUY
ANY
KIND
OF
PROTIEN
ASIDE
FROM
EGG WHITES IN WALMART?
drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,
what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need
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There are no wallmarts in new york and liquid egg whites are expensive as shit in the grocery stores
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you use all your money on garbage!,, insted of using it to buy few kit hgh that wil truly get you lean growth ,, insted of buying good anadrol to put in your body when gh get you very lean and 3 dimetnional so it all can thicken up ...you buy stupid garbage scam who knows what inside down grade powders of protiens? what did you lose your fuckin mind? your parents has tree of money in back yard? i dont get it ,, are you that dumb?
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I don't drink protein powder but they're cheap and some taste good. Why not use them?
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The thing is dont trust with PP is what they put in it... how can i know they are telling the truth ? im better of just eating some chiken or tuna
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There are no wallmarts in new york and liquid egg whites are expensive as shit in the grocery stores
atleast it wil be used by body and you wotn shit it out or get the disgusting film of water protien powder are HIGHLY KNOWN FOR ,, we dont use them for reason ,, maybe once in blue moon if we dont have any protien but who in ther right mind use this garbage? lol arnold tok eggwhites put with icecream and he had all he need,,
icecream and eggwhites thee is NOTHING better than that
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The thing is dont trust with PP is what they put in it... how can i know they are telling the truth ? im better of just eating some chiken or tuna
Yeah I can understand that. They should enforce stricter regulations with this stuff.
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Protein powder is a suplement,supplements are mean`t to supplement a whole food diet,not the other way around so do not take in 5 shakes with two meals,take in 5 meals with two shakes if you must use powder for any reason.
I used to have a shake with dextrose right after training for many years,changed it to chicken and rice......no fucking difference whatsover in mass,strength,or size.
A lot of companies buy their protein from the same one big manufacturer and simply put on their own labels so most of the shit is the same stuff even though you pay a shitload more for some brands as opposed to others,still the exact same protein powder.....notice I said most of the brands not all of them.
Always mix powder with water,nothing else.....this is what sometimes causes digestive issues.
Personaly,I know for a fact that eating whole food has more benefits than powder but I still use it twice a day........I train early so my appetite sucks at 6-7 AM so I use a shake,same thing post-workout,but they are not necessary at all.
Protein is not all the same............lots of factors, such as protein efficiency ratio,bioavailability,amino acid content,complete or incomplete,length of digestion time,etc. etc.
As far as bloating and/or holding water goes,who gives a fuck unless you are training for a contest.
Bottome line,powders are great for convienience,but whole food is far far better.
Regarding the so called "30 minute window of opportunity"...........Arnold and those guys just ate whenever they were hungry,making sure to get in 5-6 meals per day, but they were not immediately following a workout or spaced out at 3 hour intervals.
After they trained,they`d eat solid food......steak,eggs,cottage cheese,etc.,but if more than 30 minutes passed they didn`t turn into a fucking pumpkin!! ;D
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WHY
WOULD
ANY
ONE
OF
YOU
BUY
ANY
KIND
OF
PROTIEN
ASIDE
FROM
EGG WHITES IN WALMART?
drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,
what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need
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because it's drastically cheaper than egg whites
well, i don't know about wallmart prices but i will second the thoughts of AMD when he says it's expensive as hell from a grocery store. whey is 1/3 the cost.
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BTW the "anabolic window" is shown to last alot longer than 1 hr.. its 24 hr's + , and the longer you wait to more anabloic the response from your body will be.. more insulin released ect...
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i love the colors of this frog
Outstanding pics Tito!
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I use my own eggwhites seperated from whole eggs...eat at least 20 per day before a contest,plus other foods of course.
I`d go broke in a heartbeat if I bought liquid eggwhites all the time though I do wish I could afford to do it.
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there are plces you can get egwhites for 3 dollaors for 16 oz catrons ,, this is realy cheap,, walmart in americnaa wil lhave them around 3-4 dolaros,,
this and hormones ,, thats where your money should go ,, trust me you will SAVE in the end of the day ,, just avoid thisd stupid bcaa and multi vitamin crap and glutamine lol and creatine lol and mega force 45028 and balonie protien popsicles ,, avoid it all ,, avoid the stoupid shirts you buy for the gymnasium with saying on them ...buy what you need,, wear tank top later ...if you have muscle a simple tank top wil do all the talk for you
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Like I said,a buy a case of whole eggs-20 dozen at a time,and simply seperate the whites from the yolks.........works great, and I`ve been doing it so long that I`m super-fast at it! :)
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also a thing about multi vitamins.. i heard your body cannot absorb the vitamins in them.. only minerals.. so you should jsut eat your veggies and fruits and eggs to get the micronutrients yall need
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there are plces you can get egwhites for 3 dollaors for 16 oz catrons ,, this is realy cheap,, walmart in americnaa wil lhave them around 3-4 dolaros,,
this and hormones ,, thats where your money should go ,, trust me you will SAVE in the end of the day ,, just avoid thisd stupid bcaa and multi vitamin crap and glutamine lol and creatine lol and mega force 45028 and balonie protien popsicles ,, avoid it all ,, avoid the stoupid shirts you buy for the gymnasium with saying on them ...buy what you need,, wear tank top later ...if you have muscle a simple tank top wil do all the talk for you
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Tuna is damn cheap too and you don't gotta cook it. Cottage cheese is good to and not expensive. Why you only eat egg whites and tilapia?
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why do bodybuilders eat egg whites? I understand drinking them, but if your gonna cook it why not just eat the damn egg! Wes what a waste of money! eat 12 whole eggs every day for less than 3 bucks, that's 100 grams of protein right there.
6 whole eggs=60 grams of protein- $1.00 if you know what your doing
20 egg whites=60 grams of protein= $3.50!
two egg meals a day that's and extra 4-5 bucks a day if you dont eat the whole egg. And the yolks are healthier full of vitamins and minerals
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Tuna is damn cheap too and you don't gotta cook it. Cottage cheese is good to and not expensive. Why you only eat egg whites and tilapia?
who cook the fucking eggs? you fucin open the damn carton and drink the all damn thing,, i drive gymnasium for years on the way 32 oz into my belly the all damn thing,, who cook it ? already pasturized ,, also i would drink regular eggwhites seperated by myself..for years i think i did it 10 years straight not even once! did i get salmonila,, it is all balonie
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why do bodybuilders eat egg whites? I understand drinking them, but if your gonna cook it why not just eat the damn egg! Wes what a waste of money! eat 12 whole eggs every day for less than 3 bucks, that's 100 grams of protein right there.
6 whole eggs=60 grams of protein- $1.00 if you know what your doing
20 egg whites=60 grams of protein= $3.50!
two egg meals a day that's and extra 4-5 bucks a day if you dont eat the whole egg. And the yolks are healthier full of vitamins and minerals
too much colesterol,, i belive and matarza may not like it ,, but i believe his problems was from not only beef but also from the whole eggs ,, you need to have limit for whole eggs ,, the coloestrol of many whole eggs and the hormones we are on ....not a good thing ,, it can bring to heart attack in the late 30s...
again you need to realy abuse it and eat tons of them but still ,, i dont think its good idea to eat many whole eggs,, much better eggwhites in the crton
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why do bodybuilders eat egg whites? I understand drinking them, but if your gonna cook it why not just eat the damn egg! Wes what a waste of money! eat 12 whole eggs every day for less than 3 bucks, that's 100 grams of protein right there.
6 whole eggs=60 grams of protein- $1.00 if you know what your doing
20 egg whites=60 grams of protein= $3.50!
two egg meals a day that's and extra 4-5 bucks a day if you dont eat the whole egg. And the yolks are healthier full of vitamins and minerals
Bro,I eat tons of whole eggs.........the best protein souce there is bar none.
I only eat those eggwhites during contest preperation.
Whole egg- 70 calories
eggwhite-17 calories
You do the math bro!1
Eggwhites are the shit for dieting off excess bodyfat,whole eggs are great at building muscle.
Actually I use both at various times during whatever phase I`m into at the time.
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who cook the fucking eggs? you fucin open the damn carton and drink the all damn thing,, i drive gymnasium for years on the way 32 oz into my belly the all damn thing,, who cook it ? already pasturized ,, also i would drink regular eggwhites seperated by myself..for years i think i did it 10 years straight not even once! did i get salmonila,, it is all balonie
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How do you deal with the stinky farts caused by drinking too many eggwhites?
How about adding some liquid stevia on them. I find them to salty. I hate salty taste.
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How do you deal with the stinky farts caused by drinking too many eggwhites?
How about adding some liquid stevia on them. I find them to salty. I hate salty taste.
Eggwhites aren`t salty at all ???
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16 oz of egg whites and a small can of pineapple mix in a blender. Maybe throw in a banana. For the lactose tolerant people throw in some ice cream. You'll never want go near another protein powder again.
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Protein powder is a suplement,supplements are mean`t to supplement a whole food diet,not the other way around so do not take in 5 shakes with two meals,take in 5 meals with two shakes if you must use powder for any reason.
I used to have a shake with dextrose right after training for many years,changed it to chicken and rice......no fucking difference whatsover in mass,strength,or size.
A lot of companies buy their protein from the same one big manufacturer and simply put on their own labels so most of the shit is the same stuff even though you pay a shitload more for some brands as opposed to others,still the exact same protein powder.....notice I said most of the brands not all of them.
Always mix powder with water,nothing else.....this is what sometimes causes digestive issues.
Personaly,I know for a fact that eating whole food has more benefits than powder but I still use it twice a day........I train early so my appetite sucks at 6-7 AM so I use a shake,same thing post-workout,but they are not necessary at all.
Protein is not all the same............lots of factors, such as protein efficiency ratio,bioavailability,amino acid content,complete or incomplete,length of digestion time,etc. etc.
As far as bloating and/or holding water goes,who gives a fuck unless you are training for a contest.
Bottome line,powders are great for convienience,but whole food is far far better.
Regarding the so called "30 minute window of opportunity"...........Arnold and those guys just ate whenever they were hungry,making sure to get in 5-6 meals per day, but they were not immediately following a workout or spaced out at 3 hour intervals.
After they trained,they`d eat solid food......steak,eggs,cottage cheese,etc.,but if more than 30 minutes passed they didn`t turn into a fucking pumpkin!! ;D
We agree on everything, I would never use one of the commercial brands myself. I had medical grade whey isolate. When I say protein is protein, I mean that in the big scheme of things, it really doesn't matter one bit. Of course there are differences but you will not see it on your physique. Again provided you're not using something that creates a reaction to who knows what :D
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We agree on everything,
That`s because we are smart my friend!! :)
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How do you deal with the stinky farts caused by drinking too many eggwhites?
How about adding some liquid stevia on them. I find them to salty. I hate salty taste.
farts go away after few months,, but farts usualy come from too much food period,, bodybuild not need to eat load upon load,, notice how we eat almost nothing and come on stage 250 lb lol IT IS THE HORMONES WHO GET US LARGE AND LEAN the nutrition is only as much as we need,, never eat over ,, never over eat ,, all thoe fellas who sit next to table and eayt all the time lol notie they are all 180 lb 10% lol they never grow lol unless on hormones!
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farts go away after few months,, but farts usualy come from too much food period,, bodybuild not need to eat load upon load,, notice how we eat almost nothing and come on stage 250 lb lol IT IS THE HORMONES WHO GET US LARGE AND LEAN the nutrition is only as much as we need,, never eat over ,, never over eat ,, all thoe fellas who sit next to table and eayt all the time lol notie they are all 180 lb 10% lol they never grow lol unless on hormones!
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^THIS^
I eat 6 times a day,but not crazy ass amounts of food.
NO GH for me so I don`t want to build fat,just maintain or gain muscle.
Once your body gets used to the eggwhites,no more gassy bloat...............take s a little time though.
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16 oz of egg whites and a small can of pineapple mix in a blender. Maybe throw in a banana. For the lactose tolerant people throw in some ice cream. You'll never want go near another protein powder again.
be careful it dont foam on you ,, moment eggwhite foam you will never finish the thing,, foam is the major reason fellas dont like eggwhites because it is imposible to drink,, eggwhitees ned to be drink direct,, if in blender maybe 1 second mix and i mean it 1 second a quick shake with as least foam as posible
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farts go away after few months,, but farts usualy come from too much food period,, bodybuild not need to eat load upon load,, notice how we eat almost nothing and come on stage 250 lb lol IT IS THE HORMONES WHO GET US LARGE AND LEAN the nutrition is only as much as we need,, never eat over ,, never over eat ,, all thoe fellas who sit next to table and eayt all the time lol notie they are all 180 lb 10% lol they never grow lol unless on hormones!
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Good to know. I'm the worse eater ever. Im only hungry once maybe twice a day and not for huge portions. If i can drink much better.
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who cook the fucking eggs? you fucin open the damn carton and drink the all damn thing,, i drive gymnasium for years on the way 32 oz into my belly the all damn thing,, who cook it ? already pasturized ,, also i would drink regular eggwhites seperated by myself..for years i think i did it 10 years straight not even once! did i get salmonila,, it is all balonie
gh15 approved
I rather eat my food not drink it but thats just me.
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there are plces you can get egwhites for 3 dollaors for 16 oz catrons ,, this is realy cheap,, walmart in americnaa wil lhave them around 3-4 dolaros,,
this and hormones ,, thats where your money should go ,, trust me you will SAVE in the end of the day ,, just avoid thisd stupid bcaa and multi vitamin crap and glutamine lol and creatine lol and mega force 45028 and balonie protien popsicles ,, avoid it all ,, avoid the stoupid shirts you buy for the gymnasium with saying on them ...buy what you need,, wear tank top later ...if you have muscle a simple tank top wil do all the talk for you
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Yes. Although we don't have liquid egg whites in Belgium haha. The whey isolate I used was cheaper than chicken, meat etc. That was the only reason I used it. Tinned tuna was a bit cheaper but that's just too gross!
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I rather eat my food not drink it but thats just me.
I drink my eggwhites,but I also scramble them up in Pam cooking spray...........shit tastes great!
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I rather eat my food not drink it but thats just me.
same thing body doesnt know diff,, you can eat or drink same exact thing,, i tried both for many years,, same thing,, only diff one single diff is....you will have to drink more frequantly for this is liquid....so insted of eating every 3-4 hours..you wil have to do it every 2 maybe 3 hours..but thats about it
best ghing is few chewable meals and couple drinkabale meals but NO PROTIEN POWDER FROM THE GNCS OF THE WORLD
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also a thing about multi vitamins.. i heard your body cannot absorb the vitamins in them.. only minerals.. so you should jsut eat your veggies and fruits and eggs to get the micronutrients yall need
Heard this as well but I wouldn't believe it if I were you. Unless of course once again these vitamin pills do not contain actual vitamins LOL
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I drink my eggwhites,but I also scramble them up in Pam cooking spray...........shit tastes great!
such a pain in the ass to seperate the yolk and the white for me. I just boil them and separate them once cooked...lest wasteful for me cause I always spill the thing or break the goddamn yolk in the white.
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same thing body doesnt know diff,, you can eat or drink same exact thing,, i tried both for many years,, same thing,, only diff one single diff is....you will have to drink more frequantly for this is liquid....so insted of eating every 3-4 hours..you wil have to do it every 2 maybe 3 hours..but thats about it
best ghing is few chewable meals and couple drinkabale meals but NO PROTIEN POWDER FROM THE GNCS OF THE WORLD
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For me the thing is more the feeling of being full that I prefer. Especially on a diet since no gh in blood yet.
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such a pain in the ass to seperate the yolk and the white for me. I just boil them and separate them once cooked...lest wasteful for me cause I always spill the thing or break the goddamn yolk in the white.
It can be a pain in the ass,but like I said,I`ve been doing this for decades so I got pretty good at it.
The thing about boiled eggs with me is I have a hard time digesting them,raw is OK,cooked is OK,but boiling fucks up my stomach bigtime.
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Heard this as well but I wouldn't believe it if I were you. Unless of course once again these vitamin pills do not contain actual vitamins LOL
my freind who is like a nano biologist or soemthing told me so.. they are currently working on a cure for diabetes.. ill take her word for it lol
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That`s because we are smart my friend!! :)
Indeed. And it's our duty to protect the less intelligent haha
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It can be a pain in the ass,but like I said,I`ve been doing this for decades so I got pretty good at it.
The thing about boiled eggs with me is I have a hard time digesting them,raw is OK,cooked is OK,but boiling fucks up my stomach bigtime.
Yeah I couldn't eat more than 10 boiled a day without having to wear a diaper.
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Yeah I couldn't eat more than 10 boiled a day without having to wear a diaper.
LOL ;D
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Indeed. And it's our duty to protect the less intelligent haha
A sacred duty!! :)
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be careful it dont foam on you ,, moment eggwhite foam you will never finish the thing,, foam is the major reason fellas dont like eggwhites because it is imposible to drink,, eggwhitees ned to be drink direct,, if in blender maybe 1 second mix and i mean it 1 second a quick shake with as least foam as posible
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good call.
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my freind who is like a nano biologist or soemthing told me so.. they are currently working on a cure for diabetes.. ill take her word for it lol
Of course, I would do the same in your case :)
Would be interesting to hear why that is the case though, ask him/her!
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I WAS TOLD BEFORE, ON HERE, THAT MYOFUSION IS NOT WHAT IT SAYS IT IS.
YES YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! I HAVE SEEN LAB RESULTS!!!
THE ONLY BRANDS I TRUST ARE OPTIMUM NUTRITION AND REFLEX, BUT I DON'T BUY PROTEIN POWDER FOR SOME MONTHS NOW
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I just had and orange and some pineapple slices for dinner. I'll top it with a little tortell and a couple nuts.
tortell
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Dorian Yates won 6 Mr O's by consuming alot of protein powders in his precontest and offseason diet and got very grainey with little or no water retension? He says that he needed the powders to get the required protein values of 1.5gms per pound of bodyweight without consuming too many calories whilst dieting and recommeneded a powder with egg white ,whey, & miscelluar casein for its fast & slow acting abilities.
I actually had a 202 competitor in my house 2 weeks before the Mr O consuming lots of protein powder with oats and was dry as a bone with glutes ripped beyond belief ! So a don't thing its that detremental to drug assisted atheletes. ;)
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i inject your mom with protein intra-mouthular after i work her out.
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Research shows that strength athletes need 1.7g-1.8g per kg of bodyweight. Using this calculation, a 200lb bodybuilder would need 164g of protein per day. That's about 20% of their daily calories that would have to come from protein. That is extremely easy to attain, even when dieting.
Agree
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Why?
1.25-1.5g per lb translates to 2.75-3.3g per kg in comparison. That is WAY overboard.
Only because steroids increase protein synthesis does not mean that you have to eat twice as much protein as the recommended amount for non-steroid users. Part of the increase in protein synthesis comes from a DECREASE in catabolism. That means less protein is being broken down, which means you don't have to eat that much more.
Agreed again, however I would say a minor increase would be required from being natural to being juiced, but we talking 0.1-0.2g per kg
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Dorian Yates won 6 Mr O's by consuming alot of protein powders in his precontest and offseason diet and got very grainey with little or no water retension? He says that he needed the powders to get the required protein values of 1.5gms per pound of bodyweight without consuming too many calories whilst dieting and recommeneded a powder with egg white ,whey, & miscelluar casein for its fast & slow acting abilities.
I actually had a 202 competitor in my house 2 weeks before the Mr O consuming lots of protein powder with oats and was dry as a bone with glutes ripped beyond belief ! So a don't thing its that detremental to drug assisted atheletes. ;)
but lee haney claimed 1 g of protein per pound of bodyweight was sufficient for his eight mr. olympia titles.
sooooooooo.......... it's all bullshit aka fucking up the dose
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your body was meant to digest food, not this supplement crap, protein powder is way inferior to any food source with protein in it, do you actually think the pros use this shit outside of the youtube videos?
This.
He is not wrong and it is garbage. A lot of guys I know that compete at the national level all said they feel and look better when they stop protein powder. Protein powder is not a natural form of protein your body absorbs. You end up shitting more than you actually absorb. It is garbage and not worth it.
When people spend $4 at GNC for a shitty shake when you can buy two chicken breasts for the same price, grill them and have a better source.
And this.
It is selfexplanatory that real solid food is much better than protein powder. Its just like fast food in a way, two scoops and some water and your ready to go. Its the easy way out and you would be much better off with real food like chicken or tuna instead. Protein powder also makes you hold more water and like GH15 said, it really does kill the midsection. I can honestly say the times Ive ran out of protein powder and had to rely on more tuna instead, Ive looked better than ever. It consumes more energy from you to prepare meals, but it pays off in the end. Protein powder should only be used right after workout (since this is the only time you really need it) and in situations where your not able to prepare real food, like in work situations like mentioned. Bottom line is, protein powder is a supplement and should never ever replace real whole food, period! And if your gonna use protein powder, make sure you have the best quality brand out there like ON`s 100% Whey. It really makes a difference.
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too much colesterol,, i belive and matarza may not like it ,, but i believe his problems was from not only beef but also from the whole eggs ,, you need to have limit for whole eggs ,, the coloestrol of many whole eggs and the hormones we are on ....not a good thing ,, it can bring to heart attack in the late 30s...
again you need to realy abuse it and eat tons of them but still ,, i dont think its good idea to eat many whole eggs,, much better eggwhites in the crton
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There is no direct evidence to say that Cholesterol in food has any impact on blood levels, infact they are starting to sway to the idea that whole eggs are very good for you. If God made it, it is good for you, however too much of anything is bad for you.
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There is no direct evidence to say that Cholesterol in food has any impact on blood levels, infact they are starting to sway to the idea that whole eggs are very good for you. If God made it, it is good for you, however too much of anything is bad for you.
Good post.
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Dorian Yates won 6 Mr O's by consuming alot of protein powders in his precontest and offseason diet and got very grainey with little or no water retension? He says that he needed the powders to get the required protein values of 1.5gms per pound of bodyweight without consuming too many calories whilst dieting and recommeneded a powder with egg white ,whey, & miscelluar casein for its fast & slow acting abilities.
I actually had a 202 competitor in my house 2 weeks before the Mr O consuming lots of protein powder with oats and was dry as a bone with glutes ripped beyond belief ! So a don't thing its that detremental to drug assisted atheletes. ;)
Dorian owns a supplement company, he is trying to be more modest than the rest of the lying twats, but still makes allot of money out of products, do you realy think he would sell any if you lot really understood it is more 1.5-1.8g per KILO! You do not need that much protein, most people do not consume enough carbs and use their excessive protein intake for energy purposes not for cell replacement/new cells.
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WHAT A FUCKING GREAT SONG!!!
THANK YOU TITO24!!! :)
BY THE WAY ALL SUPPLEMENTS ARE GARBAGE!!!
WHEY PROTEIN IS A SUPPLEMENT SO WHEY PROTEIN IS GARBAGE!!!
I HOPE THIS HELPS! ;)
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The trend in cholesterol-research is moving more towards, once again, genetics deciding the whole ordeal. Some people are born to be fucked later on, some are lucky. (despite what they do or don't do, eat or don't eat) There's been research stating the contrary as well obviously so perhaps it's better to err on the safe side a bit. The middle road is usually the safest one.
Being overweight/eating too much is an instigator for who knows how many diseases. I've made the remark in the past that it's probably less unhealthy to up your doses a bit, rather than massively overeat in an attempt to gain mass. Of course there will never be a study done to prove me right on this :)
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but lee haney claimed 1 g of protein per pound of bodyweight was sufficient for his eight mr. olympia titles.
sooooooooo.......... it's all bullshit aka fucking up the dose
Haney's drug cycle was probably 1/2 that of yates remember maybe he didn't need so much protein! ;D If you can get ripped on icecream whilst on tren and gh what difference would a protein powder make? surely they are both milk based both bloat you and both estrogenic? confusing? ???
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I can't believe that we are even about cholesterol when most of us are juiced up to the gills ha. If there is one thing that will fuck our cholesterol levels it is the gear, not eggs ha
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Dorian owns a supplement company, he is trying to be more modest than the rest of the lying twats, but still makes allot of money out of products, do you realy think he would sell any if you lot really understood it is more 1.5-1.8g per KILO! You do not need that much protein, most people do not consume enough carbs and use their excessive protein intake for energy purposes not for cell replacement/new cells.
No this was before Dorain had a supplement company! :)
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No this was before Dorain had a supplement company! :)
When he was sponsered...you still not getting it are you, the same filthy lieing supplement companies that GH15 talks about are all the ones who come up with these ridiculous figures! If they can lie about supplements making you grow, they can lie about the doseage also, more doseage = more products sold!
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I can't believe that we are even about cholesterol when most of us are juiced up to the gills ha. If there is one thing that will fuck our cholesterol levels it is the gear, not eggs ha
then why add up yelow of egg and so many? you get what im trying to say here? you already do hormones ...many abuse hormones,, so no need to eat many whole eggs..you can eat them but mostly count ofn eggwhites
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that's all I'm saying.
I agree with your other points, except that protein powder doesn't make me fart personally. Solid food is way more filling, which is why I do eat mostly solid food. I only have pre and post workout (with oats or some type of carb), and also before bed I have casein and whey together (with almonds)
Now I understand what you are saying. I am only arguing that results won't be any different. GH15 seems to indicate that results will be different
And you are following gh15 advices, using tren and gh and sometimes dnp...
bro i like you, but you are deep lost.
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When he was sponsered...you still not getting it are you, the same filthy lieing supplement companies that GH15 talks about are all the ones who come up with these ridiculous figures! If they can lie about supplements making you grow, they can lie about the doseage also, more doseage = more products sold!
dorian yates secret?
HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,,
ANADROLA! ! !
TRENBOLONA ACATATO
SOME TESTOSTERONA ... CYCLING IN AND OUT...
ANABOLICS SUCH AS NANDROLONA AND EQ OFFSEASON AND PREP DEPENDING ON OVER ALL GOAL
INSULINA
this is dorian yates secret friends...it wasnt some nutrition metod or training metod,, he was a very average fella that went on hormoen the right time and responded to them well ,, and then learned them and how to get the most out of them ,, he knew you can not be on mega dose testosteroaan and look like competetive bodybuild of highest kind...so what he did? he put in anadrola and reduced testosterona drasticaly as in cycle testosterona ,,
it wassnt anything to do with training or eating specific type of corns lol
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then why add up yelow of egg and so many? you get what im trying to say here? you already do hormones ...many abuse hormones,, so no need to eat many whole eggs..you can eat them but mostly count ofn eggwhites
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I gotta disagree here, ok yeah if you eat 20-30 eggs a day im sure that would be no good for you, just as if you ate 20-30 apples a day, but I do not believe that the Cholesterol that is inside the egg has anything to do with your blood levels. There is no evidence to suggest this what so ever, personally I think its destroyed in the gut by the liver.. the thing that affects your cholesterol in my opinion is lifestyle, health, genetics and diet.
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When he was sponsered...you still not getting it are you, the same filthy lieing supplement companies that GH15 talks about are all the ones who come up with these ridiculous figures! If they can lie about supplements making you grow, they can lie about the doseage also, more doseage = more products sold!
No I do get it and i believe that you don't need protein powder its just I reckon it doesn't necessarily hinder you either, like I said I saw a 202 competitor dry as dry can be 3-4 % and he was having protein powder with his oats 2 scoops maybe 2 times a day everyday!! I saw it with my own eyes!!!! I have a scoop here and there just to make my oats or egg whites taste a little better no other reason!!
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dorian yates secret?
HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,,
ANADROLA! ! !
TRENBOLONA ACATATO
SOME TESTOSTERONA ... CYCLING IN AND OUT...
ANABOLICS SUCH AS NANDROLONA AND EQ OFFSEASON AND PREP DEPENDING ON OVER ALL GOAL
INSULINA
this is dorian yates secret friends...it wasnt some nutrition metod or training metod,, he was a very average fella that went on hormoen the right time and responded to them well ,, and then learned them and how to get the most out of them ,, he knew you can not be on mega dose testosteroaan and look like competetive bodybuild of highest kind...so what he did? he put in anadrola and reduced testosterona drasticaly as in cycle testosterona ,,
it wassnt anything to do with training or eating specific type of corns lol
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Exactly, Dorian has got good genetics for response to specific drugs.
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I gotta disagree here, ok yeah if you eat 20-30 eggs a day im sure that would be no good for you, just as if you ate 20-30 apples a day, but I do not believe that the Cholesterol that is inside the egg has anything to do with your blood levels. There is no evidence to suggest this what so ever, personally I think its destroyed in the gut by the liver.. the thing that affects your cholesterol in my opinion is lifestyle, health, genetics and diet.
try to boil egg and eat the yellows,, i did it for many years so did mataraza....eat that yellow,, you will be able to feeeeeel the arteries clogged on you ,, you wil be able to feeeel it,, now some dotn give a fuck they say its all in the head,, but that yellow of the egg is number one reason for heart attack same as high saturated fat beef,,
you ned to be intune with your body thats what arnold and serge meant ...nthing to do with training but! it has all to do with health...you can FEEEEL you get slower when you eat those damn yellow in high amount,, it is not recomded by me,, yes you can eat couple but in general eating a lot of them not a good thing
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I believe Dorain had the powder! didnt do jack shit nutrition wise but didnt hinder him also!! I believe you can still get ripped with the right DRUGS in the system then its mainly just down to calories for getting super conditioning!!!
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try to boil egg and eat the yellows,, i did it for many years so did mataraza....eat that yellow,, you will be able to feeeeeel the arteries clogged on you ,, you wil be able to feeeel it,, now some dotn give a fuck they say its all in the head,, but that yellow of the egg is number one reason for heart attack same as high saturated fat beef,,
you ned to be intune with your body thats what arnold and serge meant ...nthing to do with training but! it has all to do with health...you can FEEEEL you get slower when you eat those damn yellow in high amount,, it is not recomded by me,, yes you can eat couple but in general eating a lot of them not a good thing
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I agree, don't eat lots and lots of anything but in my opinion any clogging from eggs is more to do with the saturated fat, same as if you ate lots of red meat...
Protein poweder is full of Cholesterol by the way lol
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16 oz of egg whites and a small can of pineapple mix in a blender. Maybe throw in a banana. For the lactose tolerant people throw in some ice cream. You'll never want go near another protein powder again.
16 oz of egg whites would be close to $4.00 I'm guessing. A can of pineapple is close to $1.00...add a banana, another 30-40 cents.
That is a $5 + protein shake.
Whey protein shake with the same extra ingredients would be half that easily. Not saying the egg white protein is not superior, but I don't think most could afford to do it day in and day out...especially when adding hormones into the equation.
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I can't believe that we are even about cholesterol when most of us are juiced up to the gills ha. If there is one thing that will fuck our cholesterol levels it is the gear, not eggs ha
When on the juice your ratios of good to bad cholestrol levels change for the worse, therefore it just seems logical to me to try and not make the ratio even worse by adding loads of saterated fats to the mix! Sticking with a low fat foods lean meats, white fish, and egg whites seems a far better idea in keeping your ratios in a better zone. Also keeping your blood trycler in check by not having lots of processed sugar is also I good idea to avoid the possible heart attack whilst long term juicing! ;)
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He probably meant to say the steroids' effect is that pronounced, changing foods won't matter one bit in the bigger picture. That may well be the truth.
But we really don't know so not taking the possible extra risk might be best.
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You going on about having all these egg whites but aren't egg whites only like 20 cals per egg, wtf? I'm 6'5" 250lbs (cruising with low sust doses and 5iu/kigs a day) and eat eat all day but I rarely eat more than 3 whole eggs (boiled) a day. I might try this egg thing out.
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He probably meant to say the steroids' effect is that pronounced, changing foods won't matter one bit in the bigger picture. That may well be the truth.
But we really don't know so not taking the possible extra risk might be best.
Just think how much better the GH crew of guys on here eating donuts and fast food would be if they followed a good diet.
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BTW no way would I get my calories in without having a PROTEIN SHAKE or two a day (extra 1500cals), I simply don't have time with work.
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BTW no way would I get my calories in without having a PROTEIN SHAKE or two a day (extra 1500cals), I simply don't have time with work.
Same here,I have no appetite early AM plus very little time to prepare food.
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My Dr has bashed protein powders saying there is DHEA in them which in turn interferes with my test HRT-there are no walmarts in NY true-but Ive been getting liquid egg whites for 4.50 for 32oz-100gr protein
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anadrola mimics the testosterona thickness with out water bloat if lean 8)
here is another secret ;)
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I went to a seminar about 20 years ago as a Kid and a pro was giving a talk on supplements. At the end I approached the Pro and said do I really need all this shit to do well? He whispered in my ear and said "no just eat normal food kid its all bullshit". I really have believed this and didnt think that any Pro's really took this stuff until one stayed at my house about a couple of years ago. I know that people like shaun ray etc never used protein powder precontest in th 90's and said they were a no no when trying to get in shape so I was astonished when I saw this Pro mixing powders with his oats right up until the day of the comp! When I questioned him about it he would laugh and say " Ah your one of those are you! oh dear man! LOOK AT ME AND LOOK AT YOU? NOW WHO IS RIGHT? " Me a natural at the time standing 5 8 180LBS at 10% b/f and him at 5 5 202 at 3-4 % ! I couldn't really argue and it stuck in my mind that prehaps the protein powder really doesn't stop you getting ripped to 3-4% its just about the drugs and the calorie deficency! :)
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Useless is a strong word. I place it relatively lower on the valuable protein sources scale.
I used to have a dozen scoops a day and then tried none for a few months. Now I'm just taking a scoop in my protein shakes (egg whites being the main protein source). Protein powders taste pretty good nowadays and they offer a bit more than just protein now. I make a tub last a few months and would never stress over running out or needing to "up the whey intake" or anything faggy like that. It's cheap enough that I pick up a tub every now and again. Nothing more.
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I went to a seminar about 20 years ago as a Kid and a pro was giving a talk on supplements. At the end I approached the Pro and said do I really need all this shit to do well? He whispered in my ear and said "no just eat normal food kid its all bullshit". I really have believed this and didnt think that any Pro's really took this stuff until one stayed at my house about a couple of years ago. I know that people like shaun ray etc never used protein powder precontest in th 90's and said they were a no no when trying to get in shape so I was astonished when I saw this Pro mixing powders with his oats right up until the day of the comp! When I questioned him about it he would laugh and say " Ah your one of those are you! oh dear man! LOOK AT ME AND LOOK AT YOU? NOW WHO IS RIGHT? " Me a natural at the time standing 5 8 180LBS at 10% b/f and him at 5 5 202 at 3-4 % ! I couldn't really argue and it stuck in my mind that prehaps the protein powder really doesn't stop you getting ripped to 3-4% its just about the drugs and the calorie deficency! :)
this doesnt pass in thundedome friend,, this is selling point lol you going to be raped here for this,, remember they al know about fellas who come here to promote protien etc danta and sons and othr filts,, it doesnt pass the thunderdome,, so no mater how much you say this and that...evryone here and soon anywhere else will knwo the truth
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Useless is a strong word. I place it relatively lower on the valuable protein sources scale.
I used to have a dozen scoops a day and then tried none for a few months. Now I'm just taking a scoop in my protein shakes (egg whites being the main protein source). Protein powders taste pretty good nowadays and they offer a bit more than just protein now. I make a tub last a few months and would never stress over running out or needing to "up the whey intake" or anything faggy like that. It's cheap enough that I pick up a tub every now and again. Nothing more.
40 dolaros = 2 vial of testosterona propioneta ...that = a good 30 days on steroids...
30 days on steroids? or 30 days on protien powder? lol
some kidos here could save up to 3000-4000 dolaros a year! on this dumb protien balonie,, thats a good 20-30 kits of hgh !! 2000-3000 UNITS OF HGH!
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personally a long time ago even before reading gh15
I used to use a lot of protein and i'm talking at least 4 scoops per day then I suddently dropped it completely
what did I notice ?
I did not feel sluggish anymore, water weight dropped, weight lighter and not heavy/bloated and I looked a lot better etc. all positive things
try it for yourselves guys..
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this doesnt pass in thundedome friend,, this is selling point lol you going to be raped here for this,, remember they al know about fellas who come here to promote protien etc danta and sons and othr filts,, it doesnt pass the thunderdome,, so no mater how much you say this and that...evryone here and soon anywhere else will knwo the truth
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No I am not promoting any protein powders just use it to add some flavour to real food like liquid egg whitesl,lol I could add Mcdnalds shake but powder is cheaper! Pro was coached by Dorain thats why I think Dorain did this as well! Still don't believe in them as a better source than food and didn't believe you could get to 3-4% bodyfat on them, until I saw this Pro take them with my own eyes!!!!
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40 dolaros = 2 vial of testosterona propioneta ...that = a good 30 days on steroids...
30 days on steroids? or 30 days on protien powder? lol
some kidos here could save up to 3000-4000 dolaros a year! on this dumb protien balonie,, thats a good 20-30 kits of hgh !! 2000-3000 UNITS OF HGH!
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Yes but even with the testosterone you still need to buy the protein, whether it be whey protein or egg whites, it's not like you are trading dollars here, you are adding dollars.
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eggs are meant to be eaten whole!
egg yolks actually contain chemicals that lower cholesterol....
contains loads of good fats! and vitamins...
and half the amino acid profile is in the yolk the other half is in the white if i am informed right...
also latest research blames sugers for heart diseases and not fats.... not even sat.fats...
its sugers which result in high insulin levels....
matarazzo abused the shit out of insulin.... lol.... i do not think the eggs almost killes him gh... ;D ;D ;D
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40 dolaros = 2 vial of testosterona propioneta ...that = a good 30 days on steroids...
30 days on steroids? or 30 days on protien powder? lol
some kidos here could save up to 3000-4000 dolaros a year! on this dumb protien balonie,, thats a good 20-30 kits of hgh !! 2000-3000 UNITS OF HGH!
gh15 approved
And must be nice to be able to get 2 bottles of prop for $40!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes but even with the testosterone you still need to buy the protein, whether it be whey protein or egg whites, it's not like you are trading dollars here, you are adding dollars.
no...
food is an expense everybody has... bodybuild or not... one has to eat, no?
and at gymrat level you do not need that much extra protein..
buy meat in bulk, eggs in bulk... pronto!
3 meals a day plus the test p... will get you much further then spending money on garbage supps!
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i'm so pissed off i used this for years now i have irreversible estrogenization?
fuuucckkkk fuck fuckf uckfufck fuck fuckf uck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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And must be nice to be able to get 2 bottles of prop for $40!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dunno where dis bollocks gets his test but I want sources!!
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no...
food is an expense everybody has... bodybuild or not... one has to eat, no?
and at gymrat level you do not need that much extra protein..
buy meat in bulk, eggs in bulk... pronto!
3 meals a day plus the test p... will get you much further then spending money on garbage supps!
If I only ate 3 meals a day I would be starving all the time. I have to eat 5-6 times...even if they are smaller meals. Plus if I only ate 3 times/day I would feel flat.
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eggs are meant to be eaten whole!
egg yolks actually contain chemicals that lower cholesterol....
contains loads of good fats! and vitamins...
and half the amino acid profile is in the yolk the other half is in the white if i am informed right...
also latest research blames sugers for heart diseases and not fats.... not even sat.fats...
its sugers which result in high insulin levels....
matarazzo abused the shit out of insulin.... lol.... i do not think the eggs almost killes him gh... ;D ;D ;D
No this is fine if you are natural and can be healthy if you keep simple sugars out of the equation but as an assisted person the ratios of your cholesterol change in a bad way. If you add whole eggs lots of red meat and saturated fat to your diet your bad cholesterol tends to get even worse and this could cause problems with long term juice use! For the build up of tricyc in the blood avoid too much processed sugar and excessive sodium while juicing! Matarazzo was mad on the high fat diet with pots of peanut butter, red meat , and whole eggs not good for the juiced althete in my opinion.
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I dunno where dis bollocks gets his test but I want sources!!
Supposedly that is pharm grade too! >:(
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why do bodybuilders eat egg whites? I understand drinking them, but if your gonna cook it why not just eat the damn egg! Wes what a waste of money! eat 12 whole eggs every day for less than 3 bucks, that's 100 grams of protein right there.
6 whole eggs=60 grams of protein- $1.00 if you know what your doing
20 egg whites=60 grams of protein= $3.50!
two egg meals a day that's and extra 4-5 bucks a day if you dont eat the whole egg. And the yolks are healthier full of vitamins and minerals
eggs,large, have 6 grams per egg, not 10. show me an egg with 10 grams proten.
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If I only ate 3 meals a day I would be starving all the time. I have to eat 5-6 times...even if they are smaller meals. Plus if I only ate 3 times/day I would feel flat.
well you got my point though, right.... ;D ;D ;D
be it 3 meals a day or 5 or 6 ....
test P > supps
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No this is fine if you are natural and can be healthy if you keep simple sugars out of the equation but as an assisted person the ratios of your cholesterol change in a bad way. If you add whole eggs lots of red meat and saturated fat to your diet your bad cholesterol tends to get even worse and this could cause problems with long term juice use! For the build up of tricyc in the blood avoid too much processed sugar and excessive sodium while juicing! Matarazzo was mad on the high fat diet with pots of peanut butter, red meat , and whole eggs not good for the juiced althete in my opinion.
well again you say whole eggs raise bad cholesterol.. which they don't ... look it up...
even sat. fat gets a bad rep...not fairly so, latest research shows.
and the only thing steroids CAN do is lower the good cholesterol so the ratio gets f'd up...
so in fact eating lots of GOOD fats would be a wise thing to do...
eggs, nuts, olive oil, fish oils, all raise the good cholesterol...
having a high total cholesterol means nothing. it is the ratio that is important between hdl/ldl.
and the number one reason people get hart attacks = GENETICS...
matarazzo's father died of a hart attack as well.... yet he blames steroids and peanutbutter lol!
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well again you say whole eggs raise bad cholesterol.. which they don't ... look it up...
even sat. fat gets a bad rep...not fairly so, latest research shows.
and the only thing steroids CAN do is lower the good cholesterol so the ratio gets f'd up...
so in fact eating lots of GOOD fats would be a wise thing to do...
eggs, nuts, olive oil, fish oils, all raise the good cholesterol...
having a high total cholesterol means nothing. it is the ratio that is important between hdl/ldl.
and the number one reason people get hart attacks = GENETICS...
matarazzo's father died of a hart attack as well.... yet he blames steroids and peanutbutter lol!
Best sources of good fats for assisted guys are normally olive oil and fish oil, where sats are relatively low! Nuts and egg yolks also but in moderation!!Just try eating a couple of jars of peanut butter straight and you will feel the effects of fats trying to be worked round your body. Your heart ponds harder and harder as it trys to shift all that fat round your artires! The blood will get thicker like treacle and remeber on juice blood gets thicker anyway so by not taking on too much fats in general you prevent it from thickening even more which isn't good! ;)
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40 dolaros = 2 vial of testosterona propioneta ...that = a good 30 days on steroids...
30 days on steroids? or 30 days on protien powder? lol
some kidos here could save up to 3000-4000 dolaros a year! on this dumb protien balonie,, thats a good 20-30 kits of hgh !! 2000-3000 UNITS OF HGH!
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yes, thats what i always say to friends who wish to grow
stop wasting money on crap powders. Buy some eggs, and get some gear.
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after reading this post im sold on the egg whites.... gh15 is right.... the water retention and the expense its just not worth it, im dumping my protein right after this las tub.
thks gh15 for speaking the truth
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any opinions on pre workout powders? NO2 ARGININE ETC or is straight up caffeine good enough
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well again you say whole eggs raise bad cholesterol.. which they don't ... look it up...
even sat. fat gets a bad rep...not fairly so, latest research shows.
and the only thing steroids CAN do is lower the good cholesterol so the ratio gets f'd up...
so in fact eating lots of GOOD fats would be a wise thing to do...
eggs, nuts, olive oil, fish oils, all raise the good cholesterol...
having a high total cholesterol means nothing. it is the ratio that is important between hdl/ldl.
and the number one reason people get hart attacks = GENETICS...
matarazzo's father died of a hart attack as well.... yet he blames steroids and peanutbutter lol!
Matarazzo was also one of those stressed out Boston hot-heads. Its no wonder he is now some sort of repo-man where most of them are wanna-be-badass's.
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i always used over a pound a day of protien powder, and one meal a day. two things i always heard were - your body can't use all that protien, and wholy fuk you grow fast.
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Guys if you can't get two bottles of prop for less than $40 your not looking very hard...
As far as the protein goes, I'm somewhere in the middle. I do believe you can use extra protein when "on". how much I don't know, but I like to get a little extra and I believe it helps my gains. I'm around 245 and getting 300g or so a day seems to bring better gains than say 200. That being said I do try to get most from food.
I'm never very hungry in the morning though, I can go till eleven or noon before eating sometimes. So I'll have some whey in the AM just to get something in my body. That and pre and post workout, so I'll get 100-150g per day from supps. It's not that expensive either.
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anadrola mimics the testosterona thickness with out water bloat if lean 8)
here is another secret ;)
see why he is head elf in thunderdome? this is top elf information right there,, maybe the best secret you can have about bodybuild is right in what he just said!
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eggs are meant to be eaten whole!
egg yolks actually contain chemicals that lower cholesterol....
contains loads of good fats! and vitamins...
and half the amino acid profile is in the yolk the other half is in the white if i am informed right...
also latest research blames sugers for heart diseases and not fats.... not even sat.fats...
its sugers which result in high insulin levels....
matarazzo abused the shit out of insulin.... lol.... i do not think the eggs almost killes him gh... ;D ;D ;D
eggs and beef too,, all top profesionals use lots of insulina ,,for insulina and anadrola takes the need for high doses testosterona! lol
but he ate too much red meat and too much eggs wholeeee eggs,, he ate A LOT ,, trust me on that ALOT while in reality he needed fish ....he prefered the steaks and eggs...family also have genetic desposition i think,, but the eggs and meat + ofcourse abuse and misuse of many drugs ...all that factor into heart surgery in mid 30s
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I get just as much thickness off 100-150mg anapolon than I do off a gram of test. I just finished a cycle of both stopped the drol yesterday, I got thick and strong as hell but it's overkill imo. Absolutely no reason to use test on anadrol it's just asking for sides. Drol lowers shbg quite a bit, all that free test floating around and your asking for skin problems and hair loss. I've used quite a bit of Anadrol for a guy so young and it does get me a little paranoid as cancer runs in my family. Leaukimia has been observed in some patients who were treated with anadrol, the only steroid that has been linked to cancer. Wonder how Kevin will turn out I know he lost both mom and dad to cancer.
you admire levrone way too much ,, but thats not the issue,, i will explain in detail on the webpage how anadrol work hands on ,, you do need testosterona with it but the ratios need to be specific and testosteorna can really be very low,, there are few product need in system for anadrol to show its true ability to create FULNESS AND enhancing 3 dimentional thickness,, i will talk about it on webpage in particular
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you admire levrone way too much ,, but thats not the issue,, i will explain in detail on the webpage how anadrol work hands on ,, you do need testosterona with it but the ratios need to be specific and testosteorna can really be very low,, there are few product need in system for anadrol to show its true ability to create FULNESS AND enhancing 3 dimentional thickness,, i will talk about it on webpage in particular
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Got anyone better ? Steve Kuclo? Ben pakulski? ::) ....kevin's good choice.
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Got anyone better ? Steve Kuclo? Ben pakulski? ::) ....kevin's good choice.
How bout Dorian? Name a white dude, shit any dude with a better back?
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got beter ,, lee hainey...arnold...but more importent is to not admire anyone ,, you build your own body ,, it will never resemble anyone else,, no mater how many compariusons your body is YOUR body and it can be built to the best of your ability
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How bout Dorian? Name a white dude, shit any dude with a better back?
I like Dorian, I like Mezner. Reason I never follow two guys in particular that are popular on this board "Nasser"..and the infamous "Craig Titus" Reason is Dante back in the day when I was 16 reading about the sport, claimed Nasser and Craig were all drugs in cycle for pennies... so I thought they were "fake" and not very strong and when your a kid you want your idol to BE strong, not just look the part. Of course that was wrong as I later found out Craig benched 5 plates a side and Nasser was even stronger but just didn't train heavy as he could cause he didn't have to and craig tore a pec.
. I was always big fan of Mike Francois and Frank Mcgrath. Gh15 ruined it for me when he made post about "the canadian fella" (frank)...then I realized I should not look up to a drug addict like him, he's no better than you or me just severe abuser for long period of time. Arnold....at one time yes
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he lies way too much, that's another motherucking problem
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he lies way too much, that's another motherucking problem
lolz where the fuck do you come from?
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useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
mot to say ur wromg. Eberyome is differarmt but.
I habmt used shit like that for yrs I worked where I got powders for wholesale. Amd I saw romie colemam do sic scoops symtha sic . So I had less food amd that shake three to four times a day sic scoops each. Amomg other protiem powders I had layimg aroumd I lost weight... Om a bulk while it shud of beem more calories didmt make semse. Felt I looked like shit was so horrible at gym always deflated. Realized less food I had more I looked like shit. Switched to whole food mo supps all real fod amd gaimed better tham eber my emtire life.
gallom of milk a day is my protiem shakes that's about it. Fuckimg hate protiem powders mow. Relied om em for yrs amd always did shit. Omly gaim om whole food. This is my body tho so who kmows. Just a thimg I tried mot mamy people cam say they dowmed a sic scoop protiem shake at omce like rommie colemam lol
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After my chest/bi workout last night I had 16oz chocolate milk and a can of pinneaple chunks. Ate a meal a while later. Def. did feel better than having a shake.
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mot to say ur wromg. Eberyome is differarmt but.
I habmt used shit like that for yrs I worked where I got powders for wholesale. Amd I saw romie colemam do sic scoops symtha sic . So I had less food amd that shake three to four times a day sic scoops each. Amomg other protiem powders I had layimg aroumd I lost weight... Om a bulk while it shud of beem more calories didmt make semse. Felt I looked like shit was so horrible at gym always deflated. Realized less food I had more I looked like shit. Switched to whole food mo supps all real fod amd gaimed better tham eber my emtire life.
gallom of milk a day is my protiem shakes that's about it. Fuckimg hate protiem powders mow. Relied om em for yrs amd always did shit. Omly gaim om whole food. This is my body tho so who kmows. Just a thimg I tried mot mamy people cam say they dowmed a sic scoop protiem shake at omce like rommie colemam lol
Get a new phone on Craigslist ya welfare bum.
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Get a new phone on Craigslist ya welfare bum.
lol
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16 oz of egg whites would be close to $4.00 I'm guessing. A can of pineapple is close to $1.00...add a banana, another 30-40 cents.
That is a $5 + protein shake.
Whey protein shake with the same extra ingredients would be half that easily. Not saying the egg white protein is not superior, but I don't think most could afford to do it day in and day out...especially when adding hormones into the equation.
Market Basket(on east coast) has their brand of 16oz ones for just under $2.(32oz.for about $4) So what I do is get 2 servings out of the small one. 16oz carton is 48 grams of protein. So I get 24 grams and then what ever I add to it to take it over 30+ grams a serving. Market basket brand small pineapple is 2 for a buck.The dole stuff is double the price but its the same shit.
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after reading this post im sold on the egg whites.... gh15 is right.... the water retention and the expense its just not worth it, im dumping my protein right after this las tub.
thks gh15 for speaking the truth
Send your tub of protein regardless of brand to Palumbo with a note that says "FUCK OFF- We're on to you"
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after reading this post im sold on the egg whites.... gh15 is right.... the water retention and the expense its just not worth it, im dumping my protein right after this las tub.
thks gh15 for speaking the truth
I know I have said this in posts before, I have been lifting for 34 years and I have tried almost everything. I spent thousands of dollars on protein powders and such with really nothing to show for it. After I stopped competing, I stopped all supplements. I looked just as good as always. I pretty much ate whatever I wanted and my blood tests were far better than when I was on all of the powders. It is my understanding that Whey is the easiest and cheapest to produce with the largest markup. In other words, Whey manufacturers are making a killing. Egg and soy have been medically tested to show positive benefits. That being said, I don't take whey and I'm never bloated or running to the bathroom. But, if someone finds something that works for them, stick to it.
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useless? try having more shakes and less solid food and tell me you are getting worse results. If you do, you are a filth liar
You just don't need that much protein. That's why you won't get worse results. Even gh15 has said offseason his protein was like 100 grams a day.
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PROTEIN IS PROTEIN BUT YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE THAT PROTEIN POWDER. THAT'S THE TRUTH.
LIQUID EGG WHITES INSTEAD OF PROTEIN POWDER AND YOU KNOW WHAT'S INSIDE OF THOSE EGG WHITES.
What about if you buy cartons of Egg Whites ???
I get my WPC80 from my factory in 20kg bags & make my own shakes, so I agree that the mark-up is insane on these products.
But if people are buying it = FUCK THEM!!
I see the supplement industry here in the embryonic stages, & there is a shed load of money to be made from WPC80put into tubs.
You would be an idiot to turn away from the profit just because the people who train deserve better, fuck that.
If they are buying it, sell it to them.
Although, I admit that I take less WPC80 & more chicken breast/whole Eggs these days. WPC80 PWO is still a must though.
If you were spending $56 on a tub of this V V V V I would sell you it........
Stick some WPC80/MPI/albumen/flavours in & call it DOUBLE CHOCOLATE.& you are good to go to the bank.
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What about if you buy cartons of Egg Whites ???
I get my WPC80 from my factory in 20kg bags & make my own shakes, so I agree that the mark-up is insane on these products.
But if people are buying it = FUCK THEM!!
I see the supplement industry here in the embryonic stages, & there is a shed load of money to be made from WPC80put into tubs.
You would be an idiot to turn away from the profit just because the people who train deserve better, fuck that.
If they are buying it, sell it to them.
Although, I admit that I take less WPC80 & more chicken breast/whole Eggs these days. WPC80 PWO is still a must though.
If you were spending $56 on a tub of this V V V V I would sell you it........
Stick some WPC80/MPI/albumen/flavours in & call it DOUBLE CHOCOLATE.& you are good to go to the bank.
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What is this WPC80? How much for 20 kg? And do you make it yourself, you said "my factory"..
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So 400-480g of protein a day.. I really suggest you read up on "Deamination". I also suggest you read up on how the human body is composed.. I will give you a clue, 70% of it is water and in a healthy muscle roughly 20-22% of it is actual muscle protein which is made up of protein from amino acids.
So if all of the 480g of protein you consumed was fully digested and was soley used to build muscle in a day you would gain around 2.4kg (5.28lb) of muscle mass a day..we know this not to be the case, so you need to ask the question is all that protein being digested for a start and also how much is really needed to grow and maintain cells you already got..
Oh also look how much energy comes from 1g protein when it is used for energy (it is roughly the same as carbs - 4kcal)
thats theorie
simple practical
numbers
i need do go down with carbs if dieting to 150-200 gramms for a few days (thats 600-800 calories from carbs)
but i need at least 2500 calories on those days to loose no muscle
so i need 1600-1900 calories from protein, what makes the protein 400-450 at least , not equaly spread ed over al meals, because no carb meals are higher in protein and vice versa
(fat is always minimized in my diet)
did you never dieted for contest? or even eat 500 gramms of steak whats easily over 100gramm of protein in one meal?
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thats theorie
simple practical
numbers
i need do go down with carbs if dieting to 150-200 gramms for a few days (thats 600-800 calories from carbs)
but i need at least 2500 calories on those days to loose no muscle
so i need 1600-1900 calories from protein, what makes the protein 400-450 at least , not equaly spread ed over al meals, because no carb meals are higher in protein and vice versa
(fat is always minimized in my diet)
did you never dieted for contest? or even eat 500 gramms of steak whats easily over 100gramm of protein in one meal?
LAMO
oh and don't forget to eat every 2 hours and take your BCAA between meals !
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What is this WPC80? How much for 20 kg? And do you make it yourself, you said "my factory"..
Hi Alice :D
Like you have no idea what WPC80 is, a shameless attempt at itel mining ::)
Up your game fatty.
As for cost I am getting in 1.5 tonnes at at time, use a calculator.
It's a lot less that you are paying for sure.
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WHY
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EGG WHITES IN WALMART?
drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,
what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need
gh15 approved
and don t you think it can giff you a bloated midsection if - like you self stated - it makes you shit and fart holes in your pants if you first use it
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you use all your money on garbage!,, insted of using it to buy few kit hgh that wil truly get you lean growth ,, insted of buying good anadrol to put in your body when gh get you very lean and 3 dimetnional so it all can thicken up ...you buy stupid garbage scam who knows what inside down grade powders of protiens? what did you lose your fuckin mind? your parents has tree of money in back yard? i dont get it ,, are you that dumb?
gh15 approved
seems to be very intellient to up the dose of every drug in the arsenal if anybody has a shortcomming either in nutrition or training
good advice ::)
thank god that kigs are cheap and AAS even cheaper today
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dorian yates secret?
HUMAN GROWTH HORMONE,,
ANADROLA! ! !
TRENBOLONA ACATATO
SOME TESTOSTERONA ... CYCLING IN AND OUT...
ANABOLICS SUCH AS NANDROLONA AND EQ OFFSEASON AND PREP DEPENDING ON OVER ALL GOAL
INSULINA
this is dorian yates secret friends...it wasnt some nutrition metod or training metod,, he was a very average fella that went on hormoen the right time and responded to them well ,, and then learned them and how to get the most out of them ,, he knew you can not be on mega dose testosteroaan and look like competetive bodybuild of highest kind...so what he did? he put in anadrola and reduced testosterona drasticaly as in cycle testosterona ,,
it wassnt anything to do with training or eating specific type of corns lol
gh15 approved
dorian = average fella =hahahah
i thought you don t like rec drugs ?
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Back in the day in our old gym,Jeff King was the first person I ever saw who used eggwhites, but he bought his in bulk from a bakery supply company........they were in powder form and he just mixed them with water.
I`m gonna` look around in my area to see if I can get them in bulk like that.
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Hi Alice :D
Like you have no idea what WPC80 is, a shameless attempt at itel mining ::)
Up your game fatty.
As for cost I am getting in 1.5 tonnes at at time, use a calculator.
It's a lot less that you are paying for sure.
PT
Don't know who Alice is but that was a genuine question. Forget it though.
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LAMO
oh and don't forget to eat every 2 hours and take your BCAA between meals !
whey isolate has a lot of bcaa, you don t need extra bcaa ;)
3hours is better than 2, every 2 is to short
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Don't know who Alice is but that was a genuine question. Forget it though.
This is Alice - Alice
(http://i.imgur.com/of2aI.jpg)
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Back in the day in our old gym,Jeff King was the first person I ever saw who used eggwhites, but he bought his in bulk from a bakery supply company........they were in powder form and he just mixed them with water.
I`m gonna` look around in my area to see if I can get them in bulk like that.
actually that s egg protein POWDER
i know many competitors using eg protein powder because they fear water retention from lactose (myth LOL)
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actually that s egg protein POWDER
i know many competitors using eg protein powder because they fear water retention from lactose (myth LOL)
Years ago I used to buy Milk + Egg protein powder......stuff tasted great..........this was long before they came out with whey.
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really?
unflavored egg protein (pure) was the worst taste on any bodybuilding food i ever tried
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Don't know who Alice is but that was a genuine question. Forget it though.
I have already forgoten it dickhead.
30 odd posts & you want to know what I do?? Fuck off NOOB , you are about as relevant here as the next sub-100 post account ::) yes "my factory" it gets to me in sacks with zero graphics/claims on it. Just country of origin, batch NO. & contents - "my factory" then turns it into other products that we do put graphics/claims on. If I say this contains xxxxgm of Whey, that is what it contains, 100%!!
HTH.
WPC80 = Google it fuck-tard.
Oh, & fuck off while you are there.........
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Years ago I used to buy Milk + Egg protein powder......stuff tasted great..........this was long before they came out with whey.
Amino Acid Profile per 100g Egg Whites
Alanine 5.49g Isoleucine 5.0g Serine 6.07g
Arginine 4.54g Leucine 6.80g Threonine 3.41g
Aspartic Acid 6.09g Lysine 4.64g Tryptophan 1.18g
Cystine 1.88g Methionine 3.01g Tyrosine 3.21g
Glutamic 10.89g Phenylalanine 4.94g Valine 6.02g
Histidine 1.67g Proline 2.92g Glycine 2.89g
Amino Acid Profile per 100g WPC80 Whey
http://usdec.files.cms-plus.com/DGN/AbstractPDFs/NutrCompOfWheyProducts.pdf
Whey Protein Quality
Whey ingredients are considered to be a high quality source of protein, whether measured by Protein Digestibility (PD), the proportion of protein that is absorbed by the body, Biological Value (BV),the proportion of absorbed protein that is retained for growth and maintenance, Protein Efficiency Ratio (PER), the gain in body weight per unit (g) of protein consumed, or Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS), which compares the amino acid profile to the amino acid requirements for a child between ages two and five, adjusting for digestibility. To view a graphic comparison of whey with other proteins, click here.
Whey contains all the essential amino acids in the proper proportions, making it an excellent source of nutrition for both therapeutic and supplementary foods. Most amino acid levels in whey exceed Food and Agriculture Organization/World Health Organization (FAO/WHO) nutritional intake recommendations, both for children aged 2 to 5 and for adults. Whey contains among the highest concentration of branched-chain amino acids (BCAAs) available from any natural food protein source.
Whey protein is comprised of a number of individual bioactive components, or fractions, which include alpha-lactalbumin, beta-lactoglobulin, serum proteins, lactoferrin and a series of immunoglobulins. Individually, these fractions are known to be immune-system enhancing. In addition, they support a wide range of bioactive functions, such as iron binding, tissue repair, maintenance of intestinal integrity, resistance to pathogens and elimination of toxins. For more on the physiological effects of whey protein fraction.
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whey isolate has a lot of bcaa, you don t need extra bcaa ;)
3hours is better than 2, every 2 is to short
Are you serious?
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Are you serious?
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no, i try to fool you :o
but obviously it s not possible steven
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Glutamic acid content per 100gm
Egg White = 10.89g
WPC80 = 13.28g
Every 100g of WPC80 will give you 2.39g more of Glutamic acid. Glutamic acid is the most prevalent amino acid in human muscle tissue.
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Proportion of protein that is absorbed by the body
Egg = 97%
Soybeans = 78%
Milk = 95%
Casein = 100%
WPC80 = 100%
http://usdec.files.cms-plus.com/DGN/AbstractPDFs/DaviscoContent.pdf
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Whey Protein Concentrate 80%
Whey protein concentrate 80% (WPC80) is made by removing a specific amount of non-protein constituents from whey so that the finished product has a minimum of 80% protein. The protein content will vary between 80-82%, depending upon the supplier.
WPC80 is a highly concentrated form of whey protein with a much reduced level of lactose compared to WPC34. It also has the lowest sodium content of all the dairy ingredients. WPC80 is beneficial in products where the focus is providing a high quality source of protein with lower or reduced carbohydrate levels.
Due to its higher protein level, WPC80 contains over twice the amount of BCAAs than WPC34. This is beneficial when the goal is to prevent muscle loss and build new lean muscle tissue. It is also important in the development of products with immune enhancing properties. The bioactive components in whey are known to enhance immune health and higher concentrations of protein are often preferred in this type of application. The combination of high BCAA content and easy-to-digest protein makes WPC80 an ideal ingredient from a nutritional perspective.
WPC80 performs well in many applications as an egg replacement from both a functional and nutritional perspective. The finished product will contain the desired level of high quality protein and the need for traditional emulsifiers, such as egg yolk powder, may be eliminated. In some situations this may yield a safer product as it avoids any potential contamination associated with eggs.
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Some-one please do tell me (after reading the above) why WPC80 is shit & Egg Whites are the Dogs nads ???
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Proportion of protein that is absorbed by the body
Egg = 97%
Soybeans = 78%
Milk = 95%
Casein = 100%
WPC80 = 100%
http://usdec.files.cms-plus.com/DGN/AbstractPDFs/DaviscoContent.pdf
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This has been updated - sorry I dont have it in PDF for you but the whole egg is now rated at 100 and certain wheys ay 110 - 150 thats how good whey is
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I have already forgoten it dickhead.
30 odd posts & you want to know what I do?? Fuck off NOOB , you are about as relevant here as the next sub-100 post account ::) yes "my factory" it gets to me in sacks with zero graphics/claims on it. Just country of origin, batch NO. & contents - "my factory" then turns it into other products that we do put graphics/claims on. If I say this contains xxxxgm of Whey, that is what it contains, 100%!!
HTH.
WPC80 = Google it fuck-tard.
Oh, & fuck off while you are there.........
PT
The real question is...
Why you mad tho?
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This has been updated - sorry I dont have it in PDF for you but the whole egg is now rated at 100 and certain wheys ay 110 - 150 thats how good whey is
Thanks Will. I want to know why some are saying that Whey is crap & E/W's are the shit ??? I can find ZERO data to support this claim.
BCAA's Grams/100g Protein
WPI = 23
WPC80 = 22
Egg White = 21
Milk Protein = 20
Soy Protein= 18
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The real question is...............
Why you mad tho?
I will now proceed to show you how relevant you are by ignoring everyone of the subsequent posts you make :D
Good luck getting to 1k posts.
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Biological Value (BV) 0/120
Whey Protein Isolate = 100
Whole Egg = 100
Milk = 91
Egg White = 88
Fish = 83
Beef = 80
Chicken = 79
Casein = 77
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eggs and beef too,, all top profesionals use lots of insulina ,,for insulina and anadrola takes the need for high doses testosterona! lol
but he ate too much red meat and too much eggs wholeeee eggs,, he ate A LOT ,, trust me on that ALOT while in reality he needed fish ....he prefered the steaks and eggs...family also have genetic desposition i think,, but the eggs and meat + ofcourse abuse and misuse of many drugs ...all that factor into heart surgery in mid 30s
gh15 approved
yeah his dad died of hart disease as well....
i think biggest factor in heart disease = GENETICS!!
i friend of mine got an hart attack.... they gave him 17 shocks with the def. machine... lol!!
anyway he survived... but you know what was the first thing the doc asked him when he was in hospital??
1: do you smoke
2: does hart disease run in your family
steroids were not even mentioned... or asked about ...
smoking is waaaay worse on arteries, and genetics.... some people are just fucked by god! lol!!
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Best sources of good fats for assisted guys are normally olive oil and fish oil, where sats are relatively low! Nuts and egg yolks also but in moderation!!Just try eating a couple of jars of peanut butter straight and you will feel the effects of fats trying to be worked round your body. Your heart ponds harder and harder as it trys to shift all that fat round your artires! The blood will get thicker like treacle and remeber on juice blood gets thicker anyway so by not taking on too much fats in general you prevent it from thickening even more which isn't good! ;)
lol.... a couple of yars of peanut butter???? good luck with that ;D
so you think that right after eating fat , it will allready be in your blood??? it will be in your stomach and guts... and be slowely synthesized... fat slows down metabolism quite a bit...
nuts and egg yolks are great... no need to panic....
blood thickens on steroids because of more red blood cells.... nothing to do with dietery fats...
fats are good... high fat diets are healthy...
diets high in carbs especially simple carbs are what brought the Western diseases.... Type 2 diabetics..
a high total cholesterol level is no problem! as long as the ratio between hdl and ldl is correct...
please do some research before you go and say stuff... use google as i am to lazy now....
egg
fish oil
olive oil
lean meat
nuts
fish
all healthy.... just go easy on red meats
combine these foods with a little complex carbs around training... and you have a very healthy diet.
but like all diets you will not be able to do it forever as it gets boring eating the same stuff.... lol...
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We agree on everything, I would never use one of the commercial brands myself. I had medical grade whey isolate. When I say protein is protein, I mean that in the big scheme of things, it really doesn't matter one bit. Of course there are differences but you will not see it on your physique. Again provided you're not using something that creates a reaction to who knows what :D
winnerrrrrr. Honestly who gives a shit about anything other than the way it will make you look? YOU WILL LOOK EXACTLY THE SAME WHETHER YOU DRINK 24G PROTEIN FROM WHEY OR EAT 24G OF PROTEIN FROM CHICKEN
YES YOU ARE RIGHT!!!! I HAVE SEEN LAB RESULTS!!!
THE ONLY BRANDS I TRUST ARE OPTIMUM NUTRITION AND REFLEX, BUT I DON'T BUY PROTEIN POWDER FOR SOME MONTHS NOW
I have been using ON's protein ever since I started lifting weights at 18. That is as pure as they come
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It is selfexplanatory that real solid food is much better than protein powder. Its just like fast food in a way, two scoops and some water and your ready to go. Its the easy way out and you would be much better off with real food like chicken or tuna instead. Protein powder also makes you hold more water and like GH15 said, it really does kill the midsection. I can honestly say the times Ive ran out of protein powder and had to rely on more tuna instead, Ive looked better than ever. It consumes more energy from you to prepare meals, but it pays off in the end. Protein powder should only be used right after workout (since this is the only time you really need it) and in situations where your not able to prepare real food, like in work situations like mentioned. Bottom line is, protein powder is a supplement and should never ever replace real whole food, period! And if your gonna use protein powder, make sure you have the best quality brand out there like ON`s 100% Whey. It really makes a difference.
all this nonsense and not one single thing to prove your inaccurate statement. Your reasoning is simply "because it's food!"
I gotta disagree here, ok yeah if you eat 20-30 eggs a day im sure that would be no good for you, just as if you ate 20-30 apples a day, but I do not believe that the Cholesterol that is inside the egg has anything to do with your blood levels. There is no evidence to suggest this what so ever, personally I think its destroyed in the gut by the liver.. the thing that affects your cholesterol in my opinion is lifestyle, health, genetics and diet.
it doesn't. My cholesterol was amazing when I was natural and I was eating 4-6 whole eggs a day. My HDL went down after starting gear. Eggs have nothing to do with cholesterol levels in your blood
And you are following gh15 advices, using tren and gh and sometimes dnp...
bro i like you, but you are deep lost.
I haven't used DNP in a year because I am already too lean. And how the fuck am I lost? I must be doing something right if I like the way I look. Should I be walking two blocks to the pizza place and spend $7.50 on three slices before bed every night instead? I am not trying to build any more muscle and if you read any of my posts, I have stated this 1000 times.
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Biological Value (BV) 0/120
Whey Protein Isolate = 100
Whole Egg = 100
Milk = 91
Egg White = 88
Fish = 83
Beef = 80
Chicken = 79
Casein = 77
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If you add a whole egg or two to your eggwhites,the BV also becomes 100.
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This is Alice - Alice
(http://i.imgur.com/of2aI.jpg)
HAHAH OMG!
haven''t laughed that hard in a while lol, look at the picture for a split second and you will really think it's fat alice
nice ;)
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actually that s egg protein POWDER
i know many competitors using eg protein powder because they fear water retention from lactose (myth LOL)
well i get bloated like hell on milk....it's not a myth, i am lactose intolerant....
like many people...
milk sucks... human are the only mammals that drink milk when they are adults... and milk from another species even..... doesn't make sense does it lol!! ;D ;D
you do not need milk.....
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HAHAH OMG!
haven''t laughed that hard in a while lol, look at the picture for a split second and you will really think it's fat alice
nice ;)
You mean it`s not ???
;D
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If you add a whole egg or two to your eggwhites,the BV also becomes 100.
Do you thinkwhey is shit Wes??
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all this nonsense and not one single thing to prove your inaccurate statement. Your reasoning is simply "because it's food!"
it doesn't. My cholesterol was amazing when I was natural and I was eating 4-6 whole eggs a day. My HDL went down after starting gear. Eggs have nothing to do with cholesterol levels in your blood
I haven't used DNP in a year because I am already too lean. And how the fuck am I lost? I must be doing something right if I like the way I look. Should I be walking two blocks to the pizza place and spend $7.50 on three slices before bed every night instead? I am not trying to build any more muscle and if you read any of my posts, I have stated this 1000 times.
No, but you neither need to spend money on casein...
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No, but you neither need to spend money on casein...
oh yea I know. I guess I just go with the broscience anyway. I figure why take another scoop of whey when I can just take casein instead? The price isn't that much more expensive. I know I don't need it though. Sometimes I'll skip a bedtime shake if I ate too much that day.
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Are protein powders convenient?....sure
But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.
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Are protein powders convenient?....sure
But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.
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this is exactly what those "naturals" selling supplements and workout equipment say about steroids
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this is exactly what those "naturals" selling supplements and workout equipment say about steroids
exactly
good observation
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WHY
WOULD
ANY
ONE
OF
YOU
BUY
ANY
KIND
OF
PROTIEN
ASIDE
FROM
EGG WHITES IN WALMART?
drinkable wggwhites 3-4 dolaros for 32 oz,, thats all needd,, yes it cost but it is eggwhites ,, pasturized ,, this go straight to good use ,, it is absorbed almost fuly 80% is absored ,, it is best of the best builder of champions and builder of muscle,,
what is this balonie with all of this garbage powder made in beverly for all the other scam companys lol its all poweder with bunch of preservative chemicals ,, take hormones take eggwhites ,,,this is ALL you need
gh15 approved
1-2 of my meals every day come in liquid form. It's by necessity as I have to sit in court all morning and sometimes until early afternoon. I've had no problems with 1/2 egg white, 1/2 whey, pineapple juice shakes. However, because I am a true believer in The Bible, I cut out the whey for awhile and started drinking all egg white and pineapple juice shakes. The egg whites wreaked havoc on my digestive system. Major indigestion and diarrhea. I even tried taking digestive enzymes but that didn't solve the problem. I'd love to not rely on whey protein but the discomfort from the egg whites isn't worth it. I don't know if anyone else has had this problem.
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Do you thinkwhey is shit Wes??
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No I don`t,but I would rather eat whole food as a rule.
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No I don`t,but I would rather eat whole food as a rule.
Why would you would rather eat whole food as a rule?? Don't get me wrong, I do, Whey is PWO & when I am stuck in the office (I have cold storage for my shakes).
I eat more Chicken/Eggs, because I can not get MPI over here (there is only 1 import licence in Delhi, & he only just got it).
If I could get MPI here I would mix it 50/50 with the WPC80 & be happy doing 3 shakes & 3 meals a day, as I have in the past with good result.
TBH, I hate chewing & swallowing x6 meals a day :-X
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Why would you would rather eat whole food as a rule?? Don't get me wrong, I do, Whey is PWO & when I am stuck in the office (I have cold storage for my shakes).
I eat more Chicken/Eggs, because I can not get MPI over here (there is only 1 import licence in Delhi, & he only just got it).
If I could get MPI here I would mix it 50/50 with the WPC80 & be happy doing 3 shakes & 3 meals a day, as I have in the past with good result.
TBH, I hate chewing & swallowing x6 meals a day :-X
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Because after 30 minutes or so,I`m hugry again after taking whey mixed in water.
Not very satisfying at all as far as making you feel satiated.
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Are protein powders convenient?....sure
But if you dont have the time or energy to prepare real meals. Then this is not the sport for you. The best results do not come from short cuts and bodybuilding is no exception.
Since when bodybuilding became a sport?
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Since when bodybuilding became a sport?
Did you not hear about the 2012 Olympics classic in London ???
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Because after 30 minutes or so,I`m hugry again after taking whey mixed in water.
Not very satisfying at all as far as making you feel satiated.
I mix it with maltodextrine/oats & flavours, seems to last for 3hrs before I want to eat again.
You having it on it's own in water??
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I mix it with maltodextrine/oats & flavours, seems to last for 3hrs before I want to eat again.
You having it on it's own in water??
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Usually just water but at times I`ll mix it with oats at post-workout.
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from the e-mail chad sent to ronnie coleman regarding diet in prep until competition
does anybody belive its fake ;D ?
3 whey isolate shakes of 90 gramms each per day !!
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the funny thing is
it was not a BSN Product he used, bsn products he actually took just for the camera, LOL
same thing when he was with weider the years before LOL
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Usually just water but at times I`ll mix it with oats at post-workout.
Question - do you mix it with dry, blended oats, or do you cook the oatmeal and then mix it?
I cant stand the texture of dry blended oats in my shake.
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lol.... a couple of yars of peanut butter???? good luck with that ;D
so you think that right after eating fat , it will allready be in your blood??? it will be in your stomach and guts... and be slowely synthesized... fat slows down metabolism quite a bit...
nuts and egg yolks are great... no need to panic....
blood thickens on steroids because of more red blood cells.... nothing to do with dietery fats...
fats are good... high fat diets are healthy...
diets high in carbs especially simple carbs are what brought the Western diseases.... Type 2 diabetics..
a high total cholesterol level is no problem! as long as the ratio between hdl and ldl is correct...
please do some research before you go and say stuff... use google as i am to lazy now....
egg
fish oil
olive oil
lean meat
nuts
fish
all healthy.... just go easy on red meats
combine these foods with a little complex carbs around training... and you have a very healthy diet.
but like all diets you will not be able to do it forever as it gets boring eating the same stuff.... lol...
Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!! Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!
Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?
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Question - do you mix it with dry, blended oats, or do you cook the oatmeal and then mix it?
I cant stand the texture of dry blended oats in my shake.
I use dry oats but they suck up a lot of the water.
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Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!! Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!
Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?
I`ve been telling people for years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.
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I`ve been telling people fro years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.
Your right Wes! This fat thing went out with the Arc! but people keep reinventing it, and people keep bloody buying it!! time and time again!!!! Like I said the bodybuilding wheel is round don't fight it just roll with it!! lol ;)
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I`ve been telling people fro years now that they`ll get enough trace fats in their diets...no need to add more.
110kg = how amny grams of fat a day in your opinion Wes.
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110kg = how amny grams of fat a day in your opinion Wes.
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I wouldn`t bother adding them up,just be aware that you get fats from egg yolks,fish,peanut butter,cottage cheese,beef,salmon,etc. etc.
More than enough already.
I had a guy asking me to critique his pre-contest diet and he was eating 10 Tbsp. of olive oil trying to get cut along with high carbs........that 1000 calories just from the olive oil alone.............too calorie dense.
Most people have to lose weight/fat to get cut up,this guy actually argued with me when I told him to drop all of that oil.......idiot!!
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Your right Wes! This fat thing went out with the Arc! but people keep reinventing it, and people keep bloody buying it!! time and time again!!!! Like I said the bodybuilding wheel is round don't fight it just roll with it!! lol ;)
^THIS^
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Ah right your one of them! lol! I have to admit I have been there myself many years ago and I was a big believer in all this high fats and its really good for you shit! The secret ! ha ha !!! Unfortuately I came to realise that this thinking is total bullshit for bodybuilding and will leave you just flat and small. Keto and all the other varieties are just total pugwash!!!
Many years wasted my friend! Bodybuilders need to have lots of carbs to keep muscles big and full, protein for optimum growth and a few healthy fats for vital body functions. This is the wheel of bodybuilding and it is round don't try and reinvent the wheel it is already round just roll with it! and if your taking gear the CARBS are even more important than the fats for results! This is just how it is! Name a Pro in the top 10 at the moment that does Keto?
you do not need to tell me what bodybuilders need my friend...
and YOU need to learn how to read.. where did i mention KETO???????
i even metioned complex carbs should be eaten.... how is that KETO???
keto = crap.....
and i was talking about health... not bodybuilding...
talking about reinventing the wheel.... lol.. how that???
if you know me a little and read my posts you know i do not even diet... lol!
eat what i want , i just keep it healthy...
but when i need to get in topshape... i do eat a high fat diet.... that is what gets me in shape..
we are not all the same you know??
i agree you can not bodybuild without carbs.... but not everybody needs the same amount... i can go days without carbs and feel and look fine.
a lot of guys eat waaaaay to much carbs and to little healthy fats.
also to little sat fats.. as they are very important as well!
furthermore i am not ONE OF THOSE... i am my own self made man... i tried every diet and no what works for me...have field experience.... not stupid theoretic stuff that looks good on paper... but doen't work!
also helped a lot of guys get in shape...
some on many carbs some on low carbs... but always the fats were there...
this whole fat scare thing is silly!
and one more thing.... it's the drugs that do 90% of the work.... diet only assist in the process....
with the right drugs ALL diets work.... just one bodybuild needs less carbs other needs more.... whatever...
fats should always be there!!! they are essential you know.... ever heard of essential carbs????
fats + protein builds the muscle and carbs are the fuel.... and not every car need the same amount of fuel...
all 3 should be there....
but cut out fats to much and you ruin the process....
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from the e-mail chad sent to ronnie coleman regarding diet in prep until competition
does anybody belive its fake ;D ?
3 whey isolate shakes of 90 gramms each per day !!
I dont know if it is real or fake, but why do you have trouble believing he would drink those shakes? Pros drink shakes too, believe it or not.
You know why? Because whey protein does EXACTLY the same thing to your body that solid protein does. How the hell does your body know whether you are drinking protein or eating it??? It doesn't give a shit how and what you consume, as long as it's protein
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Question for you guys on insulin:
You don't use shakes immediately post-workout or intraworkout to get carbs?
Would be pretty hard IMO to get them without shakes...
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I dont know if it is real or fake, but why do you have trouble believing he would drink those shakes? Pros drink shakes too, believe it or not.
You know why? Because whey protein does EXACTLY the same thing to your body that solid protein does. How the hell does your body know whether you are drinking protein or eating it??? It doesn't give a shit how and what you consume, as long as it's protein
seems pretty believeable to me...
simple and easy to remember for ronnie lolol!
but i think this is just diet for the final 4 weeks.... you know to get to 4%
and your right about the protein... it's just 99% of the products on the market contain so much crap, and that is what ruins it...
what i do not believe is that Chad was a top guru, and this is what you get??? any body could make this diet lolol....
guru's = crap..... ;D
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Question for you guys on insulin:
You don't use shakes immediately post-workout or intraworkout to get carbs?
Would be pretty hard IMO to get them without shakes...
who says you need carbs with insulin???? lolol...
totally depends on what kind of insulin you are using.... humalog yes you need some carbs.... not the recommended 10 grams per iu btw..... depends on the individual how much...
with lantus you will be fine without carbs... just eat protein.... lantus doesn't peak.....
i have been on low carbs and high fats .... and used 70 iu's of lantus in the morning... with hgh of course...
did not die, did not pass out..... got bigger and smooth, not fat but smooth, and stomach grew.... insulin = crap....
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who says you need carbs with insulin???? lolol...
totally depends on what kind of insulin you are using.... humalog yes you need some carbs.... not the recommended 10 grams per iu btw..... depends on the individual how much...
with lantus you will be fine without carbs... just eat protein.... lantus doesn't peak.....
i have been on low carbs and high fats .... and used 70 iu's of lantus in the morning... with hgh of course...
did not die, did not pass out..... got bigger and smooth, not fat but smooth, and stomach grew.... insulin = crap....
Are you trolling me?
I've been on insulin for years, I know what it does. Insulin is definitely not crap...the recommend 10g of carbs/IU is bullshit, though, only will get you fat. Carbs are necessary though...i've gone hypo from not having carbs in a certain time frame (I use log)
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you do not need to tell me what bodybuilders need my friend...
and YOU need to learn how to read.. where did i mention KETO???????
i even metioned complex carbs should be eaten.... how is that KETO???
keto = crap.....
and i was talking about health... not bodybuilding...
talking about reinventing the wheel.... lol.. how that???
if you know me a little and read my posts you know i do not even diet... lol!
eat what i want , i just keep it healthy...
but when i need to get in topshape... i do eat a high fat diet.... that is what gets me in shape..
we are not all the same you know??
i agree you can not bodybuild without carbs.... but not everybody needs the same amount... i can go days without carbs and feel and look fine.
a lot of guys eat waaaaay to much carbs and to little healthy fats.
also to little sat fats.. as they are very important as well!
furthermore i am not ONE OF THOSE... i am my own self made man... i tried every diet and no what works for me...have field experience.... not stupid theoretic stuff that looks good on paper... but doen't work!
also helped a lot of guys get in shape...
some on many carbs some on low carbs... but always the fats were there...
this whole fat scare thing is silly!
and one more thing.... it's the drugs that do 90% of the work.... diet only assist in the process....
with the right drugs ALL diets work.... just one bodybuild needs less carbs other needs more.... whatever...
fats should always be there!!! they are essential you know.... ever heard of essential carbs????
fats + protein builds the muscle and carbs are the fuel.... and not every car need the same amount of fuel...
all 3 should be there....
but cut out fats to much and you ruin the process....
All I can say is whilst dieting I look my absolute best when my fats are minimal and carbs and protein are both high ;)
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Read some stuff about eggs further back..
I eat between 10-30 whole eggs per day. :)
Best way is to scramble them using a microwave. Put 6 eggs in a bowl and stir them up with a fork then cook them on high for 2 minutes. Immediately scramble them up with a fork and cook for a further 30s - 1m if needed.
No need for protein powders.
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minimal...
well bad fats yes.. i agree with you...
but some good healthy fats... never saw one guy get fat off of that...
actually sped up the fatburning process....
but we ARE all different... :D
health wise you need fats, and many bodybuilder takes way to little...
but you called me a keto-ist .. lol!!! which i am not.... keto sucks... agree with you... flat and feel misarable.... ;D
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GH15 is never wrong, refrain from making such assertions or you may find yourself in a spot of bother mister.
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Are you trolling me?
I've been on insulin for years, I know what it does. Insulin is definitely not crap...the recommend 10g of carbs/IU is bullshit, though, only will get you fat. Carbs are necessary though...i've gone hypo from not having carbs in a certain time frame (I use log)
read my post.... i said depends on what type of insulin you use... people have a hard time reading here... ;D ;D ;D
with humalog yes you need some carbs... as it peaks hard!! and fast...
lantus can be used wit a low carb diet, no problem... lantus does not peak.....
and even with humalog... if you eat enough protein you will not go hypo... gluconeogenesis (typed it correctly?? lol!) but why someone would do that , beats me....
but the need for carbs is greatly exaggerated...
did you ever see a pro measuring his food, to make sure that he got in the 10g of carbs per iu???? lol.... no!
i remember a dutch pro... shooting humalog and hgh before every meal.... do you think these were clean meals????? no! chinese food, pizza , but a lot of chinese food... he loved it...
and the dose was high 30/40 iu of humalog... hgh kept him from getting fat... slin pushed it all into the muscles...
he is sick nowadays..... insulin ruins health.... really....not the steroids and hgh... it's insulin that gets bodybuilders sick... and not 10 iu's a dose.. lol.... 30/40... every meal...
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I dont know if it is real or fake, but why do you have trouble believing he would drink those shakes? Pros drink shakes too, believe it or not.
You know why? Because whey protein does EXACTLY the same thing to your body that solid protein does. How the hell does your body know whether you are drinking protein or eating it??? It doesn't give a shit how and what you consume, as long as it's protein
sorry bro, but this was my opinion stated in all my earlier posts ;)
pros use whey isolate, i use whey isolate, just make sure its 100% CMF whey without any additives such as minerals flavors sweeteners vitamines ...
whey protein shake is one of he best at certain times the best protein source in bodybuilders arsenal
gh 15 was the guy that wrote that you get a irreversible estrogen bloat from protein powders LOL
this is what is said is wrong and gh couldn t back up his balonie claim
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read my post.... i said depends on what type of insulin you use... people have a hard time reading here... ;D ;D ;D
with humalog yes you need some carbs... as it peaks hard!! and fast...
lantus can be used wit a low carb diet, no problem... lantus does not peak.....
and even with humalog... if you eat enough protein you will not go hypo... gluconeogenesis (typed it correctly?? lol!) but why someone would do that , beats me....
but the need for carbs is greatly exaggerated...
did you ever see a pro measuring his food, to make sure that he got in the 10g of carbs per iu???? lol.... no!
i remember a dutch pro... shooting humalog and hgh before every meal.... do you think these were clean meals????? no! chinese food, pizza , but a lot of chinese food... he loved it...
and the dose was high 30/40 iu of humalog... hgh kept him from getting fat... slin pushed it all into the muscles...
he is sick nowadays..... insulin ruins health.... really....not the steroids and hgh... it's insulin that gets bodybuilders sick... and not 10 iu's a dose.. lol.... 30/40... every meal...
lol they all like pizza and Chinese it's funny because i never seen a pro with heavy sweet tooth pound on b&j and such ;D
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lol they all like pizza and Chinese it's funny because i never seen a pro with heavy sweet tooth pound on b&j and such ;D
yess correct! lol....
because pizza and chinese food... gets them huge... it's rich food...
fat also... but the hgh burns the fat and when on 30 iu's a day you need that fat lol!!!
and with the slin it all goes into the muscles....
healthy..???? no.....slin is what makes pro's sick.... not the hgh and roids...
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sorry bro, but this was my opinion stated in all my earlier posts ;)
pros use whey isolate, i use whey isolate, just make sure its 100% CMF whey without any additives such as minerals flavors sweeteners vitamines ...
whey protein shake is one of he best at certain times the best protein source in bodybuilders arsenal
gh 15 was the guy that wrote that you get a irreversible estrogen bloat from protein powders LOL
this is what is said is wrong and gh couldn t back up his balonie claim
I agree with you bro, I believe in what Gh15 has to say about hormones & most of his diet advise but with regard Protein powders I also think he is wrong in that you can still get 3-4% bodyfat whilst using them.
I get what he says that you don't need to spend money on any supplements, and I understand that for people who have a limited budget just spend his money wisely on drugs and hgh but with powders I don't see them being any more estrogenic than the icecream he recommends. After all icecream is processed with generally more sugar, milk(latose), and fat than most protein powders? Surely icrecream is more estrongenic but with tren & gh in the blood you get away with it? ???
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you go ahead and believ it lol enjoy protien powders lol none of us use this ,, NONE OF US,, none of my close circle back in day ,, what we do use is LOTS AND LTOS of anadrola when we are lean and shredded to blow up tight and full and push everything out ,,
i told you what we use ,, our protien powders are the hgh and androla lol we fuckin eat fish chiekn beef rice pizza icecream repeat lol
gh15 approved
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you go ahead and believ it lol enjoy protien powders lol none of us use this ,, NONE OF US,, none of my close circle back in day ,, what we do use is LOTS AND LTOS of anadrola when we are lean and shredded to blow up tight and full and push everything out ,,
i told you what we use ,, our protien powders are the hgh and androla lol we fuckin eat fish chiekn beef rice pizza icecream repeat lol
gh15 approved
i remember that in your days there weren t many cmf whey isolates out there
so you may be right ;D
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I dont know if it is real or fake, but why do you have trouble believing he would drink those shakes? Pros drink shakes too, believe it or not.
You know why? Because whey protein does EXACTLY the same thing to your body that solid protein does. How the hell does your body know whether you are drinking protein or eating it??? It doesn't give a shit how and what you consume, as long as it's protein
problem is that you have no way of knowing what is really in those supplements
can't trust this shit anymore
i've not consumed a single protein shake since i read gh15's theory on it
better safe than sorry
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problem is that you have no way of knowing what is really in those supplements
can't trust this shit anymore
i've not consumed a single protein shake since i read gh15's theory on it
better safe than sorry
x2.. Protein powders are man made and not meant for the human body..... eggwhites all day everyday over whey!!! ;D
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x2.. Protein powders are man made and not meant for the human body..... eggwhites all day everyday over whey!!! ;D
i'm still confused, must i also avoid milk and dairy?
did he not not say milk and dairy permanently thicken the skin?
sucks because i like to drink milk
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the only thing gh15 is wrong about
music
the pyramids
who built the pyramids
why they built the pyramids
aliens
monkeys
the eighties
everything except bodybuilding
that mccain will win presidential elections
women
what to do with women
how to think about women
that flintstones should be using insulin without gh
that retards are angels
things that do not have to do with bodybuilding
the way he mows his lawn
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Protein powders 100% Aspertame, asculfame, sucralose its just garbage.
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the only thing gh15 is wrong about
music
the pyramids
who built the pyramids
why they built the pyramids
aliens
monkeys
the eighties
everything except bodybuilding
that mccain will win presidential elections
women
what to do with women
how to think about women
that flintstones should be using insulin without gh
that retards are angels
things that do not have to do with bodybuilding
the way he mows his lawn
do you fuck lots of girls? i have ...i knwo woman like my back hand ,, with time you wil see everything i say im rigth about ,, but! for that age 50 must hit ,,
gh15 approved
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do you fuck lots of girls? i have ...i knwo woman like my back hand ,, with time you wil see everything i say im rigth about ,, but! for that age 50 must hit ,,
gh15 approved
..really now?
i dont want to argue with you
you win you win
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do you fuck lots of girls? i have ...i knwo woman like my back hand ,, with time you wil see everything i say im rigth about ,, but! for that age 50 must hit ,,
gh15 approved
He's young. Not a lot of life experience but speaks on everything.
The way he talks to Booty tells me that he is fairly inexperienced when it comes to women (but he thinks he is).
Kids got confidence, gotta give him that, just not a lot of experience yet.
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the only thing gh15 is wrong about
music
the pyramids
who built the pyramids
why they built the pyramids
aliens
monkeys
the eighties
everything except bodybuilding
that mccain will win presidential elections
women
what to do with women
how to think about women
that flintstones should be using insulin without gh
that retards are angels
things that do not have to do with bodybuilding
the way he mows his lawn
why does everyone always try and come down on gh15 about pyramids and aliens..hasnt anyone here ever watch the show Ancient Aliens? oh wait its on the history channel maybe simple minded people dont take the time to actually watch that channel...its not like gh15 is coming out of nowhere with these ideas.. they have been around very long its just they are now being introduced slowly with shows like this so the simpletons can grasp the concept alittle at a time and hopefully understand them...for some people to be that naive to think of all the universes and galaxys that we are the only ones here or that these perfect structures were built by ancient egyptians with ropes, pulleys and stone......LOL!!! cmon fellas open ur mind alittle
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why does everyone always try and come down on gh15 about pyramids and aliens..hasnt anyone here ever watch the show Ancient Aliens? oh wait its on the history channel maybe simple minded people dont take the time to actually watch that channel...its not like gh15 is coming out of nowhere with these ideas.. they have been around very long its just they are now being introduced slowly with shows like this so the simpletons can grasp the concept alittle at a time and hopefully understand them...for some people to be that naive to think of all the universes and galaxys that we are the only ones here or that these perfect structures were built by ancient egyptians with ropes, pulleys and stone......LOL!!! cmon fellas open ur mind alittle
thats a knee slapper
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thats a knee slapper
glad ur slapping those knees
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the only thing gh15 is wrong about
music
the pyramids
who built the pyramids
why they built the pyramids
aliens
monkeys
the eighties
everything except bodybuilding
that mccain will win presidential elections
women
what to do with women
how to think about women
that flintstones should be using insulin without gh
that retards are angels
things that do not have to do with bodybuilding
the way he mows his lawn
I like gh15's approach to woman its kinda fun but true americano whores and titonas
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Anything wrong?
http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/100-whey-gold-standard-p-201.html
(http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/images/100Whey-gs-facts.jpg)
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Anything wrong?
http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/100-whey-gold-standard-p-201.html
(http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/images/100Whey-gs-facts.jpg)
the price.
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I just ate a whole eggs omelette in a sammich with some pineapple juice PWO. Its destroys any whey+waxy maize shake.
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Anything wrong?
http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/100-whey-gold-standard-p-201.html
(http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/images/100Whey-gs-facts.jpg)
Yeah, just read the ingredients ;)
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protien powder is grabage lol
just use eggwhite and icecream lol
all big scheme,, always been a ascheme and THE FELLAS BEHIND THIS SCHEME WILL HEAR ALL OF US SOON ! lol probbaly too dumb to get it
generaly speak they do the suplement inorder to aford the real deal hgh for you wil hav eto have many many MANY kits to be top amatuer or profesiona
gh15 approved
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protien powder is grabage lol
just use eggwhite and icecream lol
all big scheme,, always been a ascheme and THE FELLAS BEHIND THIS SCHEME WILL HEAR ALL OF US SOON ! lol probbaly too dumb to get it
generaly speak they do the suplement inorder to aford the real deal hgh for you wil hav eto have many many MANY kits to be top amatuer or profesiona
gh15 approved
why do you think egg white liquid is better for gaining muscle than whey protein powder? It just doesn't make sense to me that results would be any different one way or the other. I've lived off protein powder for years with no egg white liquid and have come a long way
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I use Hemp protein every day. Sip on it whilst I'm at work. Expensive though.
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protien powder is grabage lol
just use eggwhite and icecream lol
all big scheme,, always been a ascheme and THE FELLAS BEHIND THIS SCHEME WILL HEAR ALL OF US SOON ! lol probbaly too dumb to get it
generaly speak they do the suplement inorder to aford the real deal hgh for you wil hav eto have many many MANY kits to be top amatuer or profesiona
gh15 approved
What is it with icecream gh15? Is this food magical when it comes to building muscle? I've been eating 1 cup icecream mixed with 1 banana every night and my sweatshirts are getting a little tighter around the shoulders but it could be the banana not sure...
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What is it with icecream gh15? Is this food magical when it comes to building muscle? I've been eating 1 cup icecream mixed with 1 banana every night and my sweatshirts are getting a little tighter around the shoulders but it could be the banana not sure...
ice cream = calories, sugar, + fat
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why do you think egg white liquid is better for gaining muscle than whey protein powder? It just doesn't make sense to me that results would be any different one way or the other. I've lived off protein powder for years with no egg white liquid and have come a long way
i've used whey for a long time too and i'm just sick of it already. can't stomach the stuff anymore, liquid eggs you can make scrambled eggs with though :)
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Yeah, just read the ingredients ;)
soy lecithin ?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
oh god, its almost like consuming aids with every protein shake.
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Whey + eggwhites both produce results................. ...........PROTEIN builds muscle.
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ice cream = calories, sugar, + fat
I don't know man...Arnold ate tons of icecream, would he of looked the same if he had eaten chocolate bars and cupcakes? Maybe not! The key is to get good icecream. Hagandazz has like 10 grams of protein in it per cup because it's made with egg yolks.
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it is very very simple,, im going to write here something you read,,
protien powder is a push it is like when men look in blodn women they look in them moree? eventhough the brown hair look as good,, it is something in the brain that go for years,, it is very hard to get out of th esystem ,, it is CRIME ,, this is why it will b eso hard to fight against,, but im bringing my best advisers and everything needed in website to really shwo the scam that been going on for many years you talk 30 years +,, many salarys and lifes of individual dependent on this,, and my word is very strong so..im aware of it ,, but still scam is scam and truth is truth ,,
now as i always say everything is in the gh then it really dont mater if you eat icecream and egghites or 3 bowls of sushi
always remember friends
with maority of china gh
1 iu americano pharma grade gh or europian pharma grade gh = 3-4 iu china gh!
so if you take 20 iu of generic gh from china not the ones i put out as approved but genealy generic gh which lower quality raw ..then 20 iu only = 5-6 iu ,,remember that friends
a fella taking 15 iu of most generics only put into his blood 3-4 iu of pharma grade dose ,, and the filler will still give more water retention on the
generic ,, so
i will repeat once again
with most generics unless it is something i approve....
15 iu = 3-4 iu pharma grade and! it will be quite similar results then
evan centifani 6 iu americano serostim was = 20-25 iu genercis from china! then it is similar result with little more water on the generics
so! from this day on ONLY hgh i approve from china should be used,, i now approve ONLY thanktropin and novotropin as closest to pharma grade,, i will add more with time,,
then! when enough gh in blood you can eat icecream to the top
gh15 approved
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eggs are best
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I don't know man...Arnold ate tons of icecream, would he of looked the same if he had eaten chocolate bars and cupcakes? Maybe not! The key is to get good icecream. Hagandazz has like 10 grams of protein in it per cup because it's made with egg yolks.
the key is to get good gh and enough dose of that gh ,,15 iu is where magic begin as i always said and as my name state
gh15 approved
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i've used whey for a long time too and i'm just sick of it already. can't stomach the stuff anymore, liquid eggs you can make scrambled eggs with though :)
I just get different brands or different flavors if I get bored of the same thing. I never get to the point I can't stomach it though.
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soy lecithin ?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
oh god, its almost like consuming aids with every protein shake.
Lecithin is good shit.....Google it up if you get a chance.........very beneficial.
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dude, in my country 2lbs of ON Whey protein costs almost the same as 1 vial of Testo Propionate.
Do you think im going to buy the Whey? Fuck off.
In egg we thrust! In chicken breasts we thrust!,
In some powder which only god knows what they put in, NO!
Whey should be used only when you can't EAT. Rushing in your job or something like that, even that, id prefer eating egg whites or chicken breasts.
It just feels better.
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Lecithin is good shit.....Google it up if you get a chance.........very beneficial.
No no no. Lecitin is NASTY, a nasty compound that is made using tons of chemicals, from a soy that is GMO and overall its has tons of adverse effects to the body; aromatization, change in Ph and homosexuality.
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dude, in my country 2lbs of ON Whey protein costs almost the same as 1 vial of Testo Propionate.
Do you think im going to buy the Whey? Fuck off.
In egg we thrust! In chicken breasts we thrust!,
In some powder which only god knows what they put in, NO!
Whey should be used only when you can't EAT. Rushing in your job or something like that, even that, id prefer eating egg whites or chicken breasts.
It just feels better.
thats what most dotn get,, gh15 is global ,, the al aproach is global ,, it concern bodybuild of the world,, i got to mount olympus this way byt caring for evry bodybuild the same wethr in poland in africa or in iceland and also in americana
i will not let lies stand ,, i will not let fellas say they were all saying this while they shut up for years over years,, and i will not let any agenda driven money maker of the suplement and goolibility of fellas stand
i am about to crush the livlihood of some fellas in a very very bad way ,, they know who they are the all 40-50 fellas know who they are
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No no no. Lecitin is NASTY, a nasty compound that is made using tons of chemicals, from a soy that is GMO and overall its has tons of adverse effects to the body; aromatization, change in Ph and homosexuality.
It`s found in egg yolks and is good stuff..........not chemically made at all.
Google it and read up on it.
(no homo)
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I just get different brands or different flavors if I get bored of the same thing. I never get to the point I can't stomach it though.
what else is good besides the chocolate? i never tried any other flavors in like, 11 years lol
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dude, in my country 2lbs of ON Whey protein costs almost the same as 1 vial of Testo Propionate.
Do you think im going to buy the Whey? Fuck off.
In egg we thrust! In chicken breasts we thrust!,
In some powder which only god knows what they put in, NO!
Whey should be used only when you can't EAT. Rushing in your job or something like that, even that, id prefer eating egg whites or chicken breasts.
It just feels better.
i love this line for whatever reason
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it is very very simple,, im going to write here something you read,,
protien powder is a push it is like when men look in blodn women they look in them moree? eventhough the brown hair look as good,, it is something in the brain that go for years,, it is very hard to get out of th esystem ,, it is CRIME ,, this is why it will b eso hard to fight against,, but im bringing my best advisers and everything needed in website to really shwo the scam that been going on for many years you talk 30 years +,, many salarys and lifes of individual dependent on this,, and my word is very strong so..im aware of it ,, but still scam is scam and truth is truth ,,
now as i always say everything is in the gh then it really dont mater if you eat icecream and egghites or 3 bowls of sushi
always remember friends
with maority of china gh
1 iu americano pharma grade gh or europian pharma grade gh = 3-4 iu china gh!
so if you take 20 iu of generic gh from china not the ones i put out as approved but genealy generic gh which lower quality raw ..then 20 iu only = 5-6 iu ,,remember that friends
a fella taking 15 iu of most generics only put into his blood 3-4 iu of pharma grade dose ,, and the filler will still give more water retention on the
generic ,, so
i will repeat once again
with most generics unless it is something i approve....
15 iu = 3-4 iu pharma grade and! it will be quite similar results then
evan centifani 6 iu americano serostim was = 20-25 iu genercis from china! then it is similar result with little more water on the generics
so! from this day on ONLY hgh i approve from china should be used,, i now approve ONLY thanktropin and novotropin as closest to pharma grade,, i will add more with time,,
then! when enough gh in blood you can eat icecream to the top
gh15 approved
I don't get what hgh has to do with this. Even with a zillion iu's of hgh, you still need to eat a shit load. Drinking shakes is an easy way to get in calories for very cheap costs. That is why it is so valuable. Yes supplement companies are scams and full of shit, but that is mostly when it comes to silly muscle building products they try to sell. When it comes to protein, there is a value there, even if it's made by a shady supplement company (assuming the label is accurate)
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if you're going to eat icecream and pure sucrose just to get extra calories, i really don't see how with that logic a protein shake is worse.
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what do u mean he still will have to eat a lot on hgh?
without hgh, if he ate the same as on hgh, would he have the size?
no, right?
so why the fuck do you keep arguing against gh15's teachings of hgh = bodybuilding?
what is with this agenda?
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I don't get what hgh has to do with this. Even with a zillion iu's of hgh, you still need to eat a shit load. Drinking shakes is an easy way to get in calories for very cheap costs. That is why it is so valuable. Yes supplement companies are scams and full of shit, but that is mostly when it comes to silly muscle building products they try to sell. When it comes to protein, there is a value there, even if it's made by a shady supplement company (assuming the label is accurate)
the chemicals that you tkake as part of this protien ,, the all mixture of shit you take there.....is what cause your new age bodybuild film of water on lower back and midsection ,, yes you can get rid of it with products such as diuretics,, but over all it will never be as sharp as a bodybuild who is on solid food and eggwhites drinks which is solid food
the actual process and the actual stuf they put into the box which you dont knwo if its even what claim on label! but assumign it is ....that mixure kill physiqes lines especialy of the hormonized fellas
gh15 approved
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if you want food without chemicals nowadays, you must grow it urself, i've chickens in my garden bitches, fresh eggs everyday :D
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I think it's more a part of his BB industry is a scam routine, and less that protein power, in and of itself, is useless.
this.
i think the statement is more of a generalization. the sentiment is that the supplement industry is bullshit. and truly, i do believe that 99.9% of the supplement industry is bullshit.
however i also do find benefits in whey protein.
that is the only supp i take, ever.
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It is no only garbage, but severely detrimental to physical and mental health.
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what do u mean he still will have to eat a lot on hgh?
without hgh, if he ate the same as on hgh, would he have the size?
no, right?
so why the fuck do you keep arguing against gh15's teachings of hgh = bodybuilding?
what is with this agenda?
Do you even know how to read? Please point out where I even hinted that you would be the same size without HGH as you would with HGH. This is about whey protein and again we see a whole HGH rant. Whether on or off HGH, you still need to eat to grow. You just lost intelligence points with this post.
the chemicals that you tkake as part of this protien ,, the all mixture of shit you take there.....is what cause your new age bodybuild film of water on lower back and midsection ,, yes you can get rid of it with products such as diuretics,, but over all it will never be as sharp as a bodybuild who is on solid food and eggwhites drinks which is solid food
the actual process and the actual stuf they put into the box which you dont knwo if its even what claim on label! but assumign it is ....that mixure kill physiqes lines especialy of the hormonized fellas
gh15 approved
ok now this is a more reasonable explanation I was looking for. thanks
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AMD, tell me what flavors you like. i think i'm going to try the various flavors but, ON's whey has gotten extremely expensive lately and it's stating to cost more than liquid eggs
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you have a guy here telling you protein powders will cause you water retention, and the guy happens to be very advanced in the endevour of bbing
and you still dont listen
it has to do with this
take a guy who splits hi smoney between hgh protein powders and food
take a guy who splits the same money between food and hgh
who will place higher?
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It is no only garbage, but severely detrimental to physical and mental health.
yes!,, very risky industry that put the real cause of bodybuild sucess the hormones under bad light!,, criminals are the ones in the suplement industry not the hormone world
you are very right,, in over 30 years of bodybuild!,, not even once did a suplement help me advance in bodybuild NOT ONCE,,only thing that made me bodybuild ws hormones!
every time its sme thing,, they bring nice covers and nice papaer wrapes like a good printing house does when presenting a new style good smell paper you knwo like new magazine smell,, eveyrtime they fool you into this ,, and everytimg YOU FALL into this,,
even the ones on hormones,, especialy the ones under 35....you always say oh im on hormones so now i lets try this vitargo it will work better,, or lets try this suplement it wil add me an edge ,, even though you are on best hormones you still look for edge like mentaly sick fellas whihc most bodybuild are
the truth of the mater is,, suplemetns are junk,, look how rich gaspari look like ,, he look like a walking fucking zombie on hormones,, he is so saturated with hormones that his little self cant even hold the sides anymore,, yet he is white color ....and with white color which is exacly what i am come power,,
i will not let bodybuild being raped anymore,, i wil not let the bodybuildrs be raped anymore ,,
gh15 approved
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you have a guy here telling you protein powders will cause you water retention, and the guy happens to be very advanced in the endevour of bbing
and you still dont listen
it has to do with this
take a guy who splits hi smoney between hgh protein powders and food
take a guy who splits the same money between food and hgh
who will place higher?
the one without kigtropin hgh "bro" ::)
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you have a guy here telling you protein powders will cause you water retention, and the guy happens to be very advanced in the endevour of bbing
and you still dont listen
it has to do with this
take a guy who splits hi smoney between hgh protein powders and food
take a guy who splits the same money between food and hgh
who will place higher?
they listen to what they wwant to listen ,, its part of the generation i learned to accept it apply,, this is how the cult is,, im aware i hav ehuge army behind me ,, but....felas wil alwys try to find something that is not there...they will alwys do ,, i did it too when started for sometime i did alwya sthought i woudl increase something by addint suplements ,, and this were old generation mega mass balonie suplements lol
this is how human nature is ,, as we all know bodybuilder in majority of cases ae mentaly ill ,, i am not ashamed to say it ,, but thats a fact ,, but i will no longer let those mentaly il fellas be abused misused and raped by greedy mother fuckers,, i wil give them the options to know the truth as i have done but wil be much more precise in telling it
gh15 approved
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you wanna hear something really funny? i was moving and my friend was helping me, it came down to just the last parts and it was two big ass protein powder cans i got on sale for like 60 bucks total, and over to her place and left them with some other shit in the trunk of her car. the next monring we wake up and find her trunk had been broken into. only thing missing? protein power. everything else was left, cds, whatever else i had in her trunk.
lol
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i hope you fellas understand why there is gh15 rebeling now day ,, it is because site is coming closer,, and the suplemetn industry hooked up with the slective scamers,, basiclay all the fellas who make money on your goolible ases hooked up together! and try to discredit gh15,, until now i was god of hormone on internet site getbig.....it was nice funny and truthful but DID NOT finish them persay,, from few months down the road it become much more serious,, so behnid scenes there is talks ....talks about how to discredit gh15....and gh15 has ALOT of enemies,, alot! of filts runing this cult ,, trust me on that,, lots of convicts!
gh15 approved
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It`s found in egg yolks and is good stuff..........not chemically made at all.
Google it and read up on it.
(no homo)
Dorian used to take soy lecithin caps as part of his offseason diet, had no idea why but now I know, thanks wes ;)
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you wanna hear something really funny? i was moving and my friend was helping me, it came down to just the last parts and it was two big ass protein powder cans i got on sale for like 60 bucks total, and over to her place and left them with some other shit in the trunk of her car. the next monring we wake up and find her trunk had been broken into. only thing missing? protein power. everything else was left, cds, whatever else i had in her trunk.
lol
lol
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they listen to what they wwant to listen ,, its part of the generation i learned to accept it apply,, this is how the cult is,, im aware i hav ehuge army behind me ,, but....felas wil alwys try to find something that is not there...they will alwys do ,, i did it too when started for sometime i did alwya sthought i woudl increase something by addint suplements ,, and this were old generation mega mass balonie suplements lol
this is how human nature is ,, as we all know bodybuilder in majority of cases ae mentaly ill ,, i am not ashamed to say it ,, but thats a fact ,, but i will no longer let those mentaly il fellas be abused misused and raped by greedy mother fuckers,, i wil give them the options to know the truth as i have done but wil be much more precise in telling it
gh15 approved
well you need to realize it's discouraging when you tell us broke kids in our teens and early twenties it
takes 20iu of gh to make it to the top
and you have to fuck your health with insulin
and it dissapears anyways moment your off cause it's fake muscle anyways
and the price and the things a kid needs to do to afford the drug in that amounts (assuming most of us are not sponsored)
Steroids are easy they are dirt cheap so most are fine with being gym rats ....people loose interest in becoming a modern bodybuilder once you exposed the truth. You think your making more bodybuilders but your really just pushing more kids away in my opinion whether you are doing that or purpose or not I dont know.
My theory? I think your trying to secretly bring back the physiques of the 70's...which is why from 2005-2009 you simply did not discuss GH and insulin and exagerrated how far one could get with plain steroids. You were trying to get insulin and mega dose gh out of bodybuilding indirectly (whether you realized it or not...which you did ;))
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i try to help you be able to realize your dreams by telling you what TODAY compewtetive bodybuild needs to stand on stage,, if you dont use it you will end up looking like leaf bug from this boarding who ended up being a joke on national stage,, he did ok he looked best....but! he looked like he wsnt belonging in there,, and it was not due to genetic lol if anything he has one of the better genetic,,
as i always say and since everybody read me ....i always tell you to be careful from speficic fellas you jknow thsoe fellas,, ron herises,, danta and sons,, mike arneld ,, thsoe are specific fellas who failed in bodybuild,,they ended up never steping on stage or if steped on stage neveer did any damage on npc stage and never realy look like anything
i told you how it is to be competetive today ,,
there is huge fight over gh ,, we truly inject gh every 3-4 hours,, devided doses around the clock ,, with insulina too to bring the mutaititon into heavy set mutation ,, any profesional will tell you i am right because I AM PROFESIONAL,,
it is a big problem whats going on and i will have to bring sadly some familys into a crisis because im about to finish their bread winners
gh15 approved
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If you drink protein powder and your stomach get bloating and then you passing gas lol, that means your body telling you "cannot be digested".
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If you drink protein powder and your stomach get bloating and then you passing gas lol, that means your body telling you "cannot be digested".
back in high school, i had such foul and putrid gas from whey, that it actually caused the teacher to hold class outside for the day.
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why does everyone always try and come down on gh15 about pyramids and aliens..hasnt anyone here ever watch the show Ancient Aliens? oh wait its on the history channel maybe simple minded people dont take the time to actually watch that channel...its not like gh15 is coming out of nowhere with these ideas.. they have been around very long its just they are now being introduced slowly with shows like this so the simpletons can grasp the concept alittle at a time and hopefully understand them...for some people to be that naive to think of all the universes and galaxys that we are the only ones here or that these perfect structures were built by ancient egyptians with ropes, pulleys and stone......LOL!!! cmon fellas open ur mind alittle
Are you for real? Nah, youre not.
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also if protein can not be digested it convert to sugar, so then you wondering why you put so much weight makes you think is protein powder :)
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you have a guy here telling you protein powders will cause you water retention, and the guy happens to be very advanced in the endevour of bbing
and you still dont listen
it has to do with this
take a guy who splits hi smoney between hgh protein powders and food
take a guy who splits the same money between food and hgh
who will place higher?
I don't care who you are. If you tell me to do something, I need a reason behind why I am doing something. Especially when it comes to something as important as the way my body looks. I will not jump off a building "becuz gh15 sayz so"
If you read the replies, most people have agreed with me. The ones who haven't, have done a poor job at explaining why they are right until gh15 finally did just now.
I have enough experience by now to know what I can eat/drink with bodybuilding in mind. I have earned the right to question things like this.
and to answer your question, the guy that places higher will be the guy with better genetics assuming the same dosages and macronutrients. End of story
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AMD, tell me what flavors you like. i think i'm going to try the various flavors but, ON's whey has gotten extremely expensive lately and it's stating to cost more than liquid eggs
I'm more into cholocate type flavors or cookies n cream and stuff like that. Not a fan of fruity flavors or vanilla. Actually one time I took something water melon flavored and it was delicious. I can't remember the name though. I think Nutrabolics made it. Recently bb.com had a deal on a 10lb protein for like 55 bucks. It might still be the same price actually. I'll find out which one it is when I get home since I don't remember. It doesn't taste great though
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Only reason I don't buy protein powder is because with that money I could buy more tren. ;D
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h g h is the name of the fucking game,, i wil say it to my grave,, the more hgh you can inject,, the more frequent,,, th emore balonie you can inject as in more estrogenic promoting compounds ,, the more anadrola you can take ,, the more balonei food you can eat,,
h g h ,, legit hgh is EVERYTHING about bodybuild ,, if you hav eno hgh you will have to be a mentaly case on the spot clean mother fucking diet to get anyw3here,, and no one can do this ,, NO ONE,, when i say no one i mean no one can do it and remain the sizes we compete in now day ....yes you can be 178 lb and compete on steroids only and eat clean clean yes,, but what im talking about is 220s 230s 240a this is all hgh and insulina ,, and the hgh is all you can eat buffet,,
this is the TRUTH,, this is whats hiden from you ,, and this! is why im bringin down few fellas in a flame of hell
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I'm more into cholocate type flavors or cookies n cream and stuff like that. Not a fan of fruity flavors or vanilla. Actually one time I took something water melon flavored and it was delicious. I can't remember the name though. I think Nutrabolics made it. Recently bb.com had a deal on a 10lb protein for like 55 bucks. It might still be the same price actually. I'll find out which one it is when I get home since I don't remember. It doesn't taste great though
oh wow, $55 is really not bad might have to try some.
only issue with the cheaper wheys is how they taste, though, that protein made by dantae that is completely plain and tastes like drinking chalk, turns out to be more expensive than optimal nutrition whey, yet the dantae protein is undrinkable. i don't understand that but i guess, gotta make a profit.
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soy lecithin ?! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
oh god, its almost like consuming aids with every protein shake.
LOL, yup.. soy is the fucking worstttttt.. causes a multitude of problems, I don't feel like typing lol, not to mention increases estrogen in men
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My opinion on the subject if you want protein powder get it at walmart $15 dollars for 2lbs. Walmart takes the shit they sell serious and do quality checks better to buy from walmart then some fly by night supplement company. The difference in quality of protein powder and eggs whites doesnt matter a lot if you don't compete. Another great protien powder replacement food is cottage cheese and its always on sale I used to hate that shit I really do think its a great thing now its good for digestive system.
There is no reason to be scurrying around gnc or online looking at protein powder get it at walmart when you get your other shit done case closed.
this one not the muscletec owned 6 star shit one. Bodyfortress is better then most proteins and cheap 14-15 $ they cant compete with walmart
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I don't care who you are. If you tell me to do something, I need a reason behind why I am doing something. Especially when it comes to something as important as the way my body looks. I will not jump off a building "becuz gh15 sayz so"
If you read the replies, most people have agreed with me. The ones who haven't, have done a poor job at explaining why they are right until gh15 finally did just now.
I have enough experience by now to know what I can eat/drink with bodybuilding in mind. I have earned the right to question things like this.
and to answer your question, the guy that places higher will be the guy with better genetics assuming the same dosages and macronutrients. End of story
i knew u were going to say this, in my original post i wanted to say dont give me genetic ballonie, but i figured that you would know that i meant that everything was equal including gentics
you look at this in teh way of someone telling you what to do. but when someoen told you you need protein powder, you didnt question them because they used more clever marketing language. nobody is telling you that you personally should not drink protein shakes, nobody gives two shits what you personally do, the knowledge that protein shakes are shit is out there. gh15 doesnt court you and buy you dinner and then try to sell you his theory on protein shakes because he doesnt have a buck to make off of it, and you foolishly remain loyal to the protein powder companies because of that.
some people are walking around with their eyes close din this word
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Your body doesnt tell the diffrence between protein from a grass fed beef, or from whey, when it gts broken down its the same shit, amino acids in the blood that go to cells to be used as energy or to repair muscle. Same for carbs and same for most fats.
although no one will believe this because they are too brain washed
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Your body doesnt tell the diffrence between protein from a grass fed beef, or from whey, when it gts broken down its the same shit, amino acids in the blood that go to cells to be used as energy or to repair muscle. Same for carbs and same for most fats.
although no one will believe this because they are too brain washed
Of course, that's obvious. Protein is protein and when it gets broken down it's all the same. But whey also contains shit besides protein that egg whites don't have. I think that's what GH15 is trying to say.
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i knew u were going to say this, in my original post i wanted to say dont give me genetic ballonie, but i figured that you would know that i meant that everything was equal including gentics
you look at this in teh way of someone telling you what to do. but when someoen told you you need protein powder, you didnt question them because they used more clever marketing language. nobody is telling you that you personally should not drink protein shakes, nobody gives two shits what you personally do, the knowledge that protein shakes are shit is out there. gh15 doesnt court you and buy you dinner and then try to sell you his theory on protein shakes because he doesnt have a buck to make off of it, and you foolishly remain loyal to the protein powder companies because of that.
some people are walking around with their eyes close din this word
this argument is going nowhere. I will continue to supplement my normal food intake with protein powder, and will continue to have success in doing so. Not interested in more back and forth bickering
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oh wow, $55 is really not bad might have to try some.
only issue with the cheaper wheys is how they taste, though, that protein made by dantae that is completely plain and tastes like drinking chalk, turns out to be more expensive than optimal nutrition whey, yet the dantae protein is undrinkable. i don't understand that but i guess, gotta make a profit.
I actually have Big A's protein by synthetek that is also flavorless. At first I was like "wtf", but now I realize how convenient it is. I just put a tablespoon in my mouth and sip water and it's easy protein. I got it for free and it's nice to have in my desk at work if I need it
Also, I don't seem to get the problems you do with powders. I never get gas or fart because of it. It goes down fine for me
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what is a good tasting protein that contains whey isolates, casein, and egg protein?
i am tired of my chalk tasting trueprotein
i was thinking optimum pro complex...but any others out there?
thx
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what is a good tasting protein that contains whey isolates, casein, and egg protein?
i am tired of my chalk tasting trueprotein
i was thinking optimum pro complex...but any others out there?
thx
Just to make a point here...If bodybuilding is all drugs (which we all know it is), then what does it matter if it contains purely whey isolate or a blend of whey, casein, and egg protein? What will the difference be results-wise?
This is not aimed at you obviously, I am just making a point to add to the thread
but to answer your question, I tried pro complex and it is pretty good
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I actually have Big A's protein by synthetek that is also flavorless. At first I was like "wtf", but now I realize how convenient it is. I just put a tablespoon in my mouth and sip water and it's easy protein. I got it for free and it's nice to have in my desk at work if I need it
Also, I don't seem to get the problems you do with powders. I never get gas or fart because of it. It goes down fine for me
i bought dante's trueprotein powder and i could not drink it at all. i spent a decent chunk of change on it so i had to force it down because i didn't want to waste it but, i had horrible gag reflexes it tasted so bad. might just be me but i cannot drink that stuff, maybe other flavorless wheys are better.
something about the ON whey that doesn't make me feel right either, best way i can describe it is it feels like it causes an insulin spike and insulin resistance when i drink a lot of the stuff in a day. i attribute it to the artificial sweeteners but i really don't like drinking ON whey anymore either and just resorted to buying the aminos separately from a bulk seller and then mixing them together into a drink, using steevia as the sweetener. it doesn't taste bad but most importantly i get no weird aftertaste or malaise when i use it and it makes me feel a lot better (stole the recipe from "Dat" the guy from PM if you remember him), i really like that method the best.
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I actually have Big A's protein by synthetek that is also flavorless. At first I was like "wtf", but now I realize how convenient it is. I just put a tablespoon in my mouth and sip water and it's easy protein. I got it for free and it's nice to have in my desk at work if I need it
Also, I don't seem to get the problems you do with powders. I never get gas or fart because of it. It goes down fine for me
lol finally
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Dorian used to take soy lecithin caps as part of his offseason diet, had no idea why but now I know, thanks wes ;)
No problem bud. :)
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lol finally
im going to give credit to apply here,,
he maybe the most no agenda driven ,, most honest,, most truthful fella in thunderdome,, he really speak it the way it is ,, it is nice to see some decent fellas are stil around,, there are many like him here ,, but he just dont give a fuck he says it like he believs it,, he is very diff in a sea on filts and liars and agenda driven fucktards,, he is a good fresh breath of air,,
gh15 approved
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Just to make a point here...If bodybuilding is all drugs (which we all know it is), then what does it matter if it contains purely whey isolate or a blend of whey, casein, and egg protein? What will the difference be results-wise?
This is not aimed at you obviously, I am just making a point to add to the thread
but to answer your question, I tried pro complex and it is pretty good
well i like the blend because it feels more like a meal and fills me up like one
when i drink whey isolate it tastes like drinking mud water and doesnt fill me up
also fwiw i never had results from whey, it was when i started pounding the casein and mix it with evoo and oats did i actually get any results from powders
i bought dante's trueprotein powder and i could not drink it at all. i spent a decent chunk of change on it so i had to force it down because i didn't want to waste it but, i had horrible gag reflexes it tasted so bad. might just be me but i cannot drink that stuff, maybe other flavorless wheys are better.
something about the ON whey that doesn't make me feel right either, best way i can describe it is it feels like it causes an insulin spike and insulin resistance when i drink a lot of the stuff in a day. i attribute it to the artificial sweeteners but i really don't like drinking ON whey anymore either and just resorted to buying the aminos separately from a bulk seller and then mixing them together into a drink, using steevia as the sweetener. it doesn't taste bad but most importantly i get no weird aftertaste or malaise when i use it and it makes me feel a lot better (stole the recipe from "Dat" the guy from PM if you remember him), i really like that method the best.
i think i know that feeling you're talking about. i thought i was the only one. when i drank it back in the day with some dextrose i would have this pounding in my chest feeling, very uncomfortable and actually kind of painful
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best quality protein powder there is is beverly international,great tasting too,only one that tates better is labrada rtds.
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im going to give credit to apply here,,
he maybe the most no agenda driven ,, most honest,, most truthful fella in thunderdome,, he really speak it the way it is ,, it is nice to see some decent fellas are stil around,, there are many like him here ,, but he just dont give a fuck he says it like he believs it,, he is very diff in a sea on filts and liars and agenda driven fucktards,, he is a good fresh breath of air,,
gh15 approved
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AMD, tell me what flavors you like. i think i'm going to try the various flavors but, ON's whey has gotten extremely expensive lately and it's stating to cost more than liquid eggs
i like chocolate coconut and cake batter.
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well i like the blend because it feels more like a meal and fills me up like one
when i drink whey isolate it tastes like drinking mud water and doesnt fill me up
also fwiw i never had results from whey, it was when i started pounding the casein and mix it with evoo and oats did i actually get any results from powders
the oats was the key addition there
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im going to give credit to apply here,,
he maybe the most no agenda driven ,, most honest,, most truthful fella in thunderdome,, he really speak it the way it is ,, it is nice to see some decent fellas are stil around,, there are many like him here ,, but he just dont give a fuck he says it like he believs it,, he is very diff in a sea on filts and liars and agenda driven fucktards,, he is a good fresh breath of air,,
gh15 approved
ron coleman used protein shakes /treading
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i bought dante's trueprotein powder and i could not drink it at all. i spent a decent chunk of change on it so i had to force it down because i didn't want to waste it but, i had horrible gag reflexes it tasted so bad. might just be me but i cannot drink that stuff, maybe other flavorless wheys are better.
something about the ON whey that doesn't make me feel right either, best way i can describe it is it feels like it causes an insulin spike and insulin resistance when i drink a lot of the stuff in a day. i attribute it to the artificial sweeteners but i really don't like drinking ON whey anymore either and just resorted to buying the aminos separately from a bulk seller and then mixing them together into a drink, using steevia as the sweetener. it doesn't taste bad but most importantly i get no weird aftertaste or malaise when i use it and it makes me feel a lot better (stole the recipe from "Dat" the guy from PM if you remember him), i really like that method the best.
any protein causes an insulin spike
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Just to make a point here...If bodybuilding is all drugs (which we all know it is), then what does it matter if it contains purely whey isolate or a blend of whey, casein, and egg protein? What will the difference be results-wise?
This is not aimed at you obviously, I am just making a point to add to the thread
but to answer your question, I tried pro complex and it is pretty good
have you ever tried a "low protein" diet (by bodybuilding standards)?
i mean, just saying fuck the protein shakes, fuck the egg whites, if i don't get 1 g/lb who cares, and noticed any difference?
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Only reason I don't buy protein powder is because with that money I could buy more tren. ;D
;D
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;D
Damn you're sick. Just the other day your post count was like 280 and now almost at 500. And the pathetic part is 95% of your posts are little smiley faces whenever someone talks about abusing steroids or how they run 2 grams of tren a week. Then you quote their post and do this: ;D
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Only reason I don't buy protein powder is because with that money I could buy more tren. ;D
2x. This, close topic. 8)
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Protein works.
The cycle i grew the most was the one were i juiced the less but increased protein intake to the most i could eat. This was a fact at least with me.
I have done the hot-dog/hamburger/icecream approach some years ago with generous intake of sustanon/deca ampouls with it and the results wheren't impressive. Got fat as hell.
I agree that natural food sources are the best but when you have a job and family it's very hard to have a big protein intake without some meal replacement shake or something like that. Of couse never forggeting the "good stuff".
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have you ever tried a "low protein" diet (by bodybuilding standards)?
i mean, just saying fuck the protein shakes, fuck the egg whites, if i don't get 1 g/lb who cares, and noticed any difference?
the lowest I've gone was recent and was maybe 1.25g per lb, some times even less. I was just trying to maintain/cut and I kept all my muscle because of the hormonas. So yea not a big difference. I agree it's not as important as the mainstream claims
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honestly, when on gear you can probably get away with 140g protein a day or maybe even 100 but i think that's pushing it.
if you run t3 you need more though, depending on how much t3 and how many grams/wk of AAS
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Damn you're sick. Just the other day your post count was like 280 and now almost at 500. And the pathetic part is 95% of your posts are little smiley faces whenever someone talks about abusing steroids or how they run 2 grams of tren a week. Then you quote their post and do this: ;D
ATTENTION: The "Post Count Police" have entered this thread.
Be aware!
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ATTENTION: The "Post Count Police" have entered this thread.
Be aware!
::)
LOL, seriously ::)
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honestly, when on gear you can probably get away with 140g protein a day or maybe even 100 but i think that's pushing it.
if you run t3 you need more though, depending on how much t3 and how many grams/wk of AAS
I agree 100% with this, to be honest, your body makes enough protein to sustain and function itself on its own.. No doubt, for us bodybuilders, I think we do need more than the average person, but some of these recommendations are ridiculous... And I along with many other fellas on this board, have just said fuck it and not worried about protein, maybe got between 150-200 grams and have not noticed a difference.. just my 2 cents
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^^ And just to note, I don't do that year round, obviously when I am trying to grow I will increase the amount ;)
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Protein works.
The cycle i grew the most was the one were i juiced the less but increased protein intake to the most i could eat. This was a fact at least with me.
I have done the hot-dog/hamburger/icecream approach some years ago with generous intake of sustanon/deca ampouls with it and the results wheren't impressive. Got fat as hell.
I agree that natural food sources are the best but when you have a job and family it's very hard to have a big protein intake without some meal replacement shake or something like that. Of couse never forggeting the "good stuff".
look at how all the gimick come here ,, it is unbeliavbnle,, i really rule the bodybuild cult ,, fucking amazing
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look at how all the gimick come here ,, it is unbeliavbnle,, i really rule the bodybuild cult ,, fucking amazing
gh15 approved
bodybuilding.com is like this. One huge circle jerk. They have no fucking shame.
I wish I know about the supplement collusion earlier. I spent well over $15,000, probably closer to $20,000 when I first started working out. Took me a few years before I started dropping the supplements and noticed no change at all, just a heavier wallet. Bought a couple vials of over priced and underdosed test, but a few weeks on that too me further than all the supplements combined. :-X
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Protein works.
The cycle i grew the most was the one were i juiced the less but increased protein intake to the most i could eat. This was a fact at least with me.
I have done the hot-dog/hamburger/icecream approach some years ago with generous intake of sustanon/deca ampouls with it and the results wheren't impressive. Got fat as hell.
I agree that natural food sources are the best but when you have a job and family it's very hard to have a big protein intake without some meal replacement shake or something like that. Of couse never forggeting the "good stuff".
No hgh in blood
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No hgh in blood
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still sketchy ordering hormone from a stanger by post. maybe you can legitimize take the ? out of the process and proceed to make billions of dollars, GOD, not that you need money
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honestly, when on gear you can probably get away with 140g protein a day or maybe even 100 but i think that's pushing it.
if you run t3 you need more though, depending on how much t3 and how many grams/wk of AAS
You can get away with it for maybe maintaining for a little, but not for packing on more muscle. Even when maintaining, you are bound to lose some muscle on that low of protein over time. Maybe not if your carbs are really high though. Then again I am talking out of my ass because I am too afraid to try it and I would just starve myself eating that little
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You can get away with it for maybe maintaining for a little, but not for packing on more muscle. Even when maintaining, you are bound to lose some muscle on that low of protein over time. Maybe not if your carbs are really high though. Then again I am talking out of my ass because I am too afraid to try it and I would just starve myself eating that little
just try it, bud. life is long. what do you have to lose? a couple of pounds? you already look great, i'm sure, so no one will notice, and you can gain it back in a month or two.
on the other hand, if you cut the protein and don't lose shit... well you've saved yourself a lifetime of overeating!
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You can get away with it for maybe maintaining for a little, but not for packing on more muscle. Even when maintaining, you are bound to lose some muscle on that low of protein over time. Maybe not if your carbs are really high though. Then again I am talking out of my ass because I am too afraid to try it and I would just starve myself eating that little
at 140gr on steroids? naw, you definitely can keep gaining. more steroids you take the higher your protein retention and the lower your protein degradation. when you think about how much protein is in a pound of beed, and you envision 1/10th of that and imagine putting on .1 pounds muscle a day, you realize you really don't need that much protein to keep gaining. most of the size and weight is from water/carbs and why on keto it looks like you lose half your muscle, but we all know that's not true since people are eating 600gr protein and fat a day haha
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just try it, bud. life is long. what do you have to lose? a couple of pounds? you already look great, i'm sure, so no one will notice, and you can gain it back in a month or two.
on the other hand, if you cut the protein and don't lose shit... well you've saved yourself a lifetime of overeating!
140g of protein is no fun :-[
I have the appetite of a sumo wrestler. I've done the starvation dieting when I was natty. I don't want to go back to those miserable days.