BSB is certifiably insanegotta agree with you on this one
Who's with me on this?
You guys are just being selfish. I know good God fearing bro's like Royalty and pro's like Mark Dugdale know that w/o God your not worth anything.
Instenseone. Your going to die soon from old age and chronic sinning. Repent now and squat for God and you might save your soul.....GOD HATES PARTIAL REPS!
I will pray for you when I'm doing my bi-weekly box squats
For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. --1 timothy 4:8
Apparantly "God" doesn't believe exercise is very important...I lift for Budda and in my next lifetime i am going to be a Pittbull and rip you to shreds.
It's funny to me how bodybuilders who are so ignorant of the Bible don't even realize it says that Bodily exercise isn't important and yet they make their LIVING based off of exercising and building muscle mass. Coleman,Dugdale,Cook,Haney..Numerous others.
What's the name of those Christians that break boards for Jesus?LumberJacks
God is Santa claus for Adults.
GOD IS MY COPILOT
dude, you're about to fly into the side of a mountain! :o
I'm flying high dudes. I love life and I love rock n roll!
The Serotonin System and Spiritual Experiences.
Borg, Jacqueline et tal. "The Serotonin System and Spiritual Experiences." American Journal of Psychiatry 160:11 (2003): 1965-1968.
dude, you're about to fly into the side of a mountain! :oAnd i am going to cut it down with the edge of my hand.
Johnny Apollo, I'm willing to bet the good lord wouldn't mind...
Johnny Apollo, I'm willing to bet the good lord wouldn't mind me cutting your throat and stomping on your testicles just to get you to stop postingBudda would pay good money for ringside seats.
Johnny Apollo, I'm willing to bet the good lord wouldn't mind me cutting your throat and stomping on your testicles just to get you to stop posting
And i am going to cut it down with the edge of my hand.
Since your quite the expert what do you know about Buddist principles.
I'm sure..If you worship the Christian or Jewish God.
Considering he commanded his soldiers who invaded cities to "bash the babies against walls".
If you're a Muslim...Well I won't even get into how crazy they are.
You shouldn't start out so ambitiously. First try to cut down your refrigerator with the edge of your hand, and if that works out for ya, move up from there.I started off with an axe and then a sledgehammer then a jackhammer but now im thinking of C4 explosives.
PS: PM me if you need the name of a good orthopedic surgeon.
Since your quite the expert what do you know about Buddist principles.
If your lucky you may come back as a cocaroatch. ;D
Everything.
It's simple Johnny. You need to be murdered
"Your God is Dead." - Trent Reznor
DIV
I always make it a point to have a Nine Inch Nails CD playing when I'm around Jebus freaks. ;D
Make them feel you........drag them down with you......
More like rise them up, to the world of thinking human beings as opposed to lemmings who have been fed a crock of shit their whole lives.
Does anybody else find it amusing reading this thread how only intenseone doesn't realise its a joke.
Does anybody else find it amusing reading this thread how only intenseone doesn't realise its a joke.
... he's right there putting down His creator!!
::).....please! I was waiting to see how long it would take Goatboy to respond, as usual he's right there putting down His creator!!
My parents? I don't recall dissing them in this thread. ::)
Box squats are great. I have some of my athletes do them!hahahahaha, "athletes". ::)
Maybe they work in the circus too?are you saying that "Mr. Intenseone" likes the cock, Mars?
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.When Jesus spots be I usually get 4 more reps out
Who's with me on this?
When Jesus spots be I usually get 4 more reps out
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
When Jesus spots be I usually get 4 more reps out
Did you know the first WSM was when Jesus carried that cross through that town.
hahahahaha, "athletes". ::)
God never failed you, why do you fail him?guilt isn't an emotion I pay attention too...
jwb, I hope when your curling the 30's for reps you remember who gave you arms, your soul, your humanity. God that is who, your selfish if you deny this.You're delusional if you believe that rubbish... have some balls and take responsibility for OWN actions, thoughts, desires, hates, biases, loathing, embarrassments and you'll grow as a person ten fold trust me ;)
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
Hey , you , I'll let you in on a little secret ....... there aint no God :o
hahahahaha, "athletes". ::)
You're delusional if you believe that rubbish... have some balls and take responsibility for OWN actions, thoughts, desires, hates, biases, loathing, embarrassments and you'll grow as a person ten fold trust me ;)
i wish i believed in god
then i wouldnt have to use my brain so much ;D
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. Jeremiah 48:10:o And Christians call Islam violent!
The great news is HE will NEVER LET US DOWN!
What does that mean?
Notice the only retort the Christians have is posting Bible passages over and over without ever addressing the points us Non-Christians have made.
They also rely on fallicious arguments such as crediting God for the supposedly good things in the world such as health or life or whatnot..But then don't blame him for the bad things like plagues or viruses or disease that can't be controled. They either blame the "Devil" or they blame themselves, Or they simply copout with the classical "God works in mysterous ways..That's why i'm dying of cancer and was born without legs!" Oh yea...THAT'S what it is! ::)
Christians have a double standard.
:o And Christians call Islam violent!
What does that mean?
I don't understand why people want to try and run from God. When He catches them, He's just going to LOVE them.Kinda like priests love little boys?
god is a figment of mans imagination .... a way to explain the unknown and avoid dealing with death
tell me ... why is there NO religion whatsoever that doesnt believe in an afterlife or reincarnation ::)
Kinda like priests love little boys?
god is a figment of mans imagination .... a way to explain the unknown and avoid dealing with death
tell me ... why is there NO religion whatsoever that doesnt believe in an afterlife or reincarnation ::)
god endorses child molestation!
god endorses child molestation!
Are you blaming God for the bad things that happen in your life? Are you saying you are a "sinless" man? Are you not willing to take responsability for the consequences of your actions?
God's ways may seem mysterious to us, because ""As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my (God) ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:9
However, He is very clear in His Word how He will act or respond. 'Every good and perfect gift is from above.", God will also bring judgement and He isn't afraid to tell us.
In Jeremiah 48:10, Jeremiah was giving a prophecy about the Moabites (from the land of Moab). "Moab will be destroyed as a nation because she defied the LORD. Terror and pit and snare await you, O people of Moab," declares the LORD. Jeremiah 48:42-43. Clearly a nation in their "OWN VOLUNTARY" sin. The Moabities have a long history of shaking their hands at God. Not the smartest thing to do. I quoted earlier, "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows." Galatians 6:7
God makes it real simple, "Come now, let us reason together," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool. If you are willing and obedient, you will eat the best from the land; but if you resist and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword." For the mouth of the LORD has spoken.
Easy, OBEY = Blessing; DISOBIENIENCE = Discipline.
Remember, God loves you. He created you and wants the best for you. He KNOWS what's best. God is our Heavenly Father. Fathers discipline their children, because they LOVE them.
For your information, it is the goal of Buddhism to achieve "Nirvana". Which is not an afterlife. It is technically the END. Reincarnation for them is punishment and another chance at Nirvana.
I couldn't care less if I have an afterlife or not. But now that I know what Jesus has in store for me I'm excited.
Do you honestly believe that you were created by random chance?
(Watch Fred not respond to any of my points and go on into another rant!)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.." 1 Corinthians 6:9
Does that sound like God endorses that kind of behavior?
Exodus 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
Exodus
21:20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21:21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.
once again ... religion is a way to avoid dealing with death ....
$20 says he pulls the "You're going to hell, but I'll pray for you" bit. ;D
That and a nice emotional crutch when bad things happen. (not to mention a swell instrument of social control).
Karl Marx didn't know shit about economics, but he sure had religion pegged correctly. ;D
Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all man-kind. God is real and ever present. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the True Church.
Nuff said
Jesus is Lord and Saviour of all man-kind. God is real and ever present. The Holy Roman Catholic Church is the True Church.
Nuff said
You think your max set is hard? Try dying on a cross.
they can't prove shit.
HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.
PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!
That and a nice emotional crutch when bad things happen. (not to mention a swell instrument of social control).
Karl Marx didn't know shit about economics, but he sure had religion pegged correctly. ;D
I can't blame something that doesn't exist now can I?
No...If my problems have a cause I blame that cause. Wether it be me or nature or whatever else. I don't blame some supernatural deity thought up by jewish goat herders 4,000 years ago.
It's simply a copout to say "Well God's ways are mysterous so I can't explain why horrible things happen..But rest assured God has a plan!"
It doesn't matter if they are refering to the "Moabites" or not. God says "Don't hold your sword back." A moral God isn't a vengeful jealous and war waging God.
REASON? You call believing the earth was formed only 6,000 years ago Reasonable?(Contrary to geological and radiometric evidence)
You call believing God made man in present form Reasonable?(Contrary to fossil, geological and biological evidence)
You call believing a man lived inside of a whale reasonable?(Contrary to all logic!)
You call believing the entire earth was flooded and 2 of each animal was brought upon a ship to repopulate?(Contrary to geological and biological evidence. There is no geological evidence of a "Global flood". A global flood isn't possible considering there just is not enough water on the planet to cover the entire planet. Secondly You would need DOZENS of individuals of a species inorder for it to repopulate. Haven't you ever heard of "effective population size"? 2 of a single species or even 20 of a single species would not be able to effectivly reproduce and repopulate due to inbreeding.
Making the entire Noah story impossible.
Why should I obey something that 1.Doesn't exist and 2.If it did exist would be an evil tyrant?
Fathers discipline their children...They DO NOT kill them,Torture them and send them down into a burning pit. IF they did they would be arrested and imprisoned.
(Watch Fred not respond to any of my points and go on into another rant!)
HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.
PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!
http://christiananswers.net/
Go through the site. But I'm sure you'll come up with some BS to try to contradict anything on there. But In short, theres more proof that Jesus existed that you have proof that he didn't!
The Lord wants each and every one of you to get up from your computer,and send me a thousand dollars.
they can't prove shit.
thats why they call it faith instead of fact.
Which is why he created the burning pit to begin with, right? ::)
That's kinda like saying "Hitler didn't want to send the Jews to the death camps". I guess after he went to all the trouble to build them in the first place, he just couldn't help himself. ::)
Which is why he created the burning pit to begin with, right? ::)
That's kinda like saying "Hitler didn't want to send the Jews to the death camps". I guess after he went to all the trouble to build them in the first place, he just couldn't help himself. ::)
The bible covers everything. Everything happening today is prophesized. Same with tons of shit that never happened either, but that is conveniently ignored by those who believe in bible prophecy. ::)
Likewise, I'm sure there is a verse in the bible which says exercise is good. Everything is covered so you can lead whatever kind of life you want and justify it with what's in the bible.
And the idea of hell is so cruel. Not even Hitler deserves that. The next time you are in a hot sauna or near a hot stove, picture the thought of that times 10,000 for eternity. Yeah, some "loving god". Christianity may be a good thing at times, but certainly not in the manner in which fundamentalists describe it.
"ALL" of your arguments are SERIOUSLY flawed. Unfortunately, regardless of anything I could possibly say or present, you most assuredly would not contemplate a possible alternative to your opinion, even if the alternative is fact which is SUBSTANIATED by science, not refuted by it.
First, God created the earth much more than 4000 years ago.
I never said "God works in mysterious ways." You said that. I said His ways are above our ways.
Third, I find it very interesting that you think that you are in a greater position than God to determine what "morals" are. You sure have a lot of confidence in yourself, even though you have no idea or no control over what your own future holds. God does, and He wants the best for you.
Fourth, fossil, geological and biological evidence is part of the reason I believe in God. You do realize that there is a not a "SINGLE" transitional form from one species to another documented in the fossil record!
Fifth, you have never heard of anything being swallowed whole? Besides, with God ALL things are possible! How many people do you know who were raised from the dead after three days? They said that was impossible, but Jesus did it, and appeared to HUNDREDS of witness. "He (Jesus) appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living (at the time of the writing of the book of 1 Corinthians) 1Corinthians 15:6
Sixth, there has been very convincing proofs documenting a global flood. By the way, how did the dinosaurs become extinct? If you wish to know how the human species was preserved through the line of Noah, the genealogy is written clearly in the Book of Genesis beginning in chapter 10 (with ACTUAL NAMES not speculations of how it is possible). Sorry, it's TRUE.
To say that God is 'evil' doesn't make any sense. The religious leaders in Jesus' day tried to make the same claim, " And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."
So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come." Mat 3:22-26.
God doesn't want to throw people into the burning pit. In fact, "He (God) is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance." 2Peter 3:9
Please don't misunderstand my intent of these posts. It is my heart to tell everyone I know about the free gift of God's love. I mean absolutely no disrespect to you. In fact, you seem like a very intelligent person. I actually admire and respect you and your beliefs.
God Bless You.
http://christiananswers.net/
Go through the site. But I'm sure you'll come up with some BS to try to contradict anything on there. But In short, theres more proof that Jesus existed that you have proof that he didn't!
"Faith" in Christian terms is defined as; "Hope in things not yet seen, but to come"
"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29
BTW, the Bible does NOT say that exercise is NOT important. It says that "Spiritual Exercise" is more important.
You're right. A lot of people do try to justify their actions by using the Bible. However, it's almost impossible without using the Words out of context.
The funniest thing about all these well-constructed arguments...
We're ants arguing about astrophysics. Whatever made us is beyond our comprehension. None of us know anything. I suspect some higher power created the hydrogen atom that caused the Big Boom to start, but that's just me.
It's fun to argue, but we don't get to meet the referee til the game is over ;)
"I will never leave you nor forsake you." Joshua 1:5
Watch FRED not respond to my last posts...
If he does, it will be with more biblical crap that does not address or answer any of the points you made.
I'm a reasonable person unlike you. Any refutations you provide I'll consider..But you can't provide any.
So give examples and address each of my points.
The accepted bible Chronology is just over 6,000 years. This is what the bible imply's.
How old is the Earth?
Same thing. Saying his ways are "above ours" as to we can't comprehend them it's like saying they are mysterious to us. Same difference.
You're working from the assumption "God" exists. You haven't proven he does.
I'm more of a judge of morals than something that doesn't exist is.
You haven't addressed any of my points either concerning how many evils there are in the world that man can't possibly be responsible for..That Nature is responsible for..Meaning God made them.
HAHAHA!!!
You really need to do your research.....
Let's just use a single example of one transition into another..Dinosaurs to Birds. Here are a few examples of known extinct species(fossils) that are transitions between dinosaurs and birds.
Sinosauropteryx prima
Ornithomimosaurs
therizinosaurs
oviraptorosaurs
Deinonychosaurs
Protarchaeopteryx
Archaeopteryx
Shenzhouraptor
Sapeornis
Enantiornithines
Patagopteryx
Apsaravis
yanornithids
Hesperornis
Ichthyornis
Gansus
Limenavis
Example of the Archaeopteryx.
(http://www.fossilhut.com/Archaeopteryx.jpg)
Neither dinosaur or modern bird...But a "Transition" between the two that lived after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.
Info on it..
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html
http://www.origins.tv/darwin/dinobirds.htm
Some transitions of HUMAN ancestors from the smithsonian institute.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
The whales stomach acid would of killed jonah. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY he could of survived a month in the whales stomach! Haha!
There's no historical evidence Jesus was "Raised from the dead" either. The bible was written GENERATIONS after jesus supposedly died by UNKNOWN authors. It isn't evidence anymore than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.
No evidence of a Global flood. If there is PROVIDE IT. I'll then refute it.
Secondly Dinosaurs became extinct due to change in the environment most likely due to a meteor strike hitting the earth. If the dinosaurs died in some massive flood there would be a SINGLE LAYER of sediment where the fossils lay. If they all died at the same time from a massive flood there would be a single geological layer with all of the dinosaurs(And humans who died from the flood) in it. This is NOT what we see..We see THOUSANDS of layers over millions of years and humans and dinosaurs are never found in the same undisturbed layers since they lived MILLIONS of years apart.
Yes, there is proof that Jesus was raised from the dead, "We did not follow cleverly invented stories when we told you about the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty." 2Peter 1:16 Don't forget the 500+ EYEWITNESSES in 1Corinthians 15:16.
Hmmmm..... a meteor large enough to destroy every living creature on the earth and NOT destory the EARTH, interesting!
More ranting unrelated bible quotes. I say the "Bible God" is evil due to the evils he commited in the Bible. If there is a "God" he is either 1.Weak or 2.Evil. Weak if he can't fix the problems of the world or Evil because he won't. It's either one or the other logically. The evils in the world can't go hand in hand with a moral God...It's inconsistent.
Yet in the bible God made Hell for that purpose. God made humans KNOWING before hand that many would end up in Hell. A moral god doesn't create something just to punish it later on. If he KNEW they would sin and burn in hell why did he then create them? Knowing they would suffer? A moral god would do no such thing.
God's love?
(http://www.edow.org/news/headlines/katrina_aftermath_med_-_11.jpg)
Katrina Aftermath.
It says "Bodly exercise profits little". "Profits little" means it does not profit much. Meaning NOT IMPORTANT.
Proof God's creation is perfect.....
First, the Bible says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1 (It doesn't say 6000 years ago God created the heavens and the earth).
Based on your EXTREME confidence in your own intelligence, stating that you can refute anyone on the earth, regardless of the facts presented, it's obvious spending my time providing the information will be an exhausting exercise of futility. Not even DARWIN in his work on the evolution of speceis, could NOT explain the evolution of the human eye.
It's interesting that the MORALS we abide by in this country were established by our Forefathers from "The Ten Commandments" of GOD.
You did NOT provide any transitional form from one SPECIES to ANOTHER. Have you ever heard of a "Pterodactyl"?or "pterosaur", any of an order (Pterosauria) of extinct flying reptiles existing from the Late Triassic throughout the Jurassic and most of the Cretaceous and having a featherless wing membrane extending from the side of the body along the arm to the end of the greatly elongated fourth digit.
Sorry, this guy COEXSISTED with the dinosaur.
God's love http://www.dreamcenter.org/outmin_youth_ministry.shtml
So if you're in business and "profit" a "little" it's not a profit?????
Exactly. That's why straight out strong atheism is ignoant as well.
I also enjoy seeing an atheist (at least the American type who is normally a socialist) bitch about capitalism yet enjoy the benefits of the productivity of others all the time. Also when they bitch about poverty when thanks to capitalism "poverty" is now defined as having three TVs instead of one. ::)
Johnny Apollo: while you say you can refute any point from a religious perspective, I can assure you that I can refute any point about how poor of an economic system socialism is. Test me if you want. ;)
I'm a reasonable person unlike you. Any refutations you provide I'll consider..But you can't provide any.
So give examples and address each of my points.
The accepted bible Chronology is just over 6,000 years. This is what the bible imply's.
How old is the Earth?
Same thing. Saying his ways are "above ours" as to we can't comprehend them it's like saying they are mysterious to us. Same difference.
You're working from the assumption "God" exists. You haven't proven he does.
I'm more of a judge of morals than something that doesn't exist is.
You haven't addressed any of my points either concerning how many evils there are in the world that man can't possibly be responsible for..That Nature is responsible for..Meaning God made them.
HAHAHA!!!
You really need to do your research.....
Let's just use a single example of one transition into another..Dinosaurs to Birds. Here are a few examples of known extinct species(fossils) that are transitions between dinosaurs and birds.
Sinosauropteryx prima
Ornithomimosaurs
therizinosaurs
oviraptorosaurs
Deinonychosaurs
Protarchaeopteryx
Archaeopteryx
Shenzhouraptor
Sapeornis
Enantiornithines
Patagopteryx
Apsaravis
yanornithids
Hesperornis
Ichthyornis
Gansus
Limenavis
Example of the Archaeopteryx.
(http://www.fossilhut.com/Archaeopteryx.jpg)
Neither dinosaur or modern bird...But a "Transition" between the two that lived after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.
Info on it..
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/archaeopteryx/info.html
http://www.origins.tv/darwin/dinobirds.htm
Some transitions of HUMAN ancestors from the smithsonian institute.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html
The whales stomach acid would of killed jonah. There is NO PHYSICAL WAY he could of survived a month in the whales stomach! Haha!
There's no historical evidence Jesus was "Raised from the dead" either. The bible was written GENERATIONS after jesus supposedly died by UNKNOWN authors. It isn't evidence anymore than the Illiad is evidence of Zeus.
No evidence of a Global flood. If there is PROVIDE IT. I'll then refute it.
Secondly Dinosaurs became extinct due to change in the environment most likely due to a meteor strike hitting the earth. If the dinosaurs died in some massive flood there would be a SINGLE LAYER of sediment where the fossils lay. If they all died at the same time from a massive flood there would be a single geological layer with all of the dinosaurs(And humans who died from the flood) in it. This is NOT what we see..We see THOUSANDS of layers over millions of years and humans and dinosaurs are never found in the same undisturbed layers since they lived MILLIONS of years apart.
More ranting unrelated bible quotes. I say the "Bible God" is evil due to the evils he commited in the Bible. If there is a "God" he is either 1.Weak or 2.Evil. Weak if he can't fix the problems of the world or Evil because he won't. It's either one or the other logically. The evils in the world can't go hand in hand with a moral God...It's inconsistent.
Yet in the bible God made Hell for that purpose. God made humans KNOWING before hand that many would end up in Hell. A moral god doesn't create something just to punish it later on. If he KNEW they would sin and burn in hell why did he then create them? Knowing they would suffer? A moral god would do no such thing.
God's love?
(http://www.edow.org/news/headlines/katrina_aftermath_med_-_11.jpg)
Katrina Aftermath.
In any case, atheism has no doctrine and is therefore not dangerous. The same can't be said for religion.
I also enjoy seeing an atheist (at least the American type who is normally a socialist) bitch about capitalism yet enjoy the benefits of the productivity of others all the time. Also when they bitch about poverty when thanks to capitalism "poverty" is now defined as having three TVs instead of one. ::)
Johnny Apollo: while you say you can refute any point from a religious perspective, I can assure you that I can refute any point about how poor of an economic system socialism is. Test me if you want. ;)
Fine..Ignoring the chronological ages of people in the bible thus date from creation...How old is the Earth?
I never said I "Could refute anyone on earth regardless of the facts." I said I could refute CHRISTIANS where the facts are false(Which they are). Don't make strawmen.
Also Darwin explained the evolution of the human eye over 100 years ago in his "The origin of species". He explains the numerous examples of stages of development to the human eye and how the human eye is far from the most complex on earth. Eagle eyes are much more complex and stronger.
http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html
Holy shit you're a retard....
Our forefathers did NOT make our laws based on the 10 commandments. In reality that's why they made the 1st ammendment to the constitution(Prohibiting laws supporting any one religion to be made.)
Most of our forefathers weren't even christians...
"The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma."
[Abraham Lincoln]
"The Christian God is a being of terrific character -- cruel, vindictive, capricious, and unjust."
[Thomas Jefferson, _Jefferson Bible_]
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
[Thomas Jefferson]
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
[Thomas Jefferson, in _Toward the Mystery_]
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."-Treaty of Tripoli signed and endorsed by most of oure forefathers including John Adams.
Actually ALL of the species I provided are transitionals because they fit the definition of a translition fossil. A transitional fossil is a fossil that came from a time between two other known fossils and shows characteristics of both. ALL of the species I listed fit this definition.
The Pterosaur didn't have feathers...Many of the fossils I provided DID. The picture of the fossil I showed was a FEATHERED dinosaur/Bird living after dinosaurs died out and before modern birds evolved.
What guy? That's just a link to a church youth ministry! Haha!
You Moron....
HA! Assuming you're not being sarcastic...Which I'm hope you are.
PROVE IT! Prove what you said. Prove Jesus is "Lord". Prove God is real. Prove he's ever present..Prove it all and watch me tear it apart like a wet paper bag!
The bible covers everything. Everything happening today is prophesized.
Strong atheists say there is absolutely no God.
I truly believe in my heart there is no such thing as a 3-tittied woman. So I don't really think about it. I don't preach to anyone who believes in such a woman. It just never enters my mindset. Same as how it is with weak athiests, who don't know or care if there is a supreme being.
Would you feel the same way if 90% of the population believed in 3-titted women, constantly talked about 3-titted women even in venues and circumstances that have nothing to do with 3-titted women, made the existance of three-titted womes a major focus or their lives to the point of spending countless time and money in the worship of 3-titted women, drafted much of our nation's laws (laws you are expected to follow to) based on what the 3-titted woman would want, and constantly got on your case because you don't believe in 3-titted women?
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Would you feel the same way if 90% of the population believed in 3-titted women, constantly talked about 3-titted women even in venues and circumstances that have nothing to do with 3-titted women, made the existance of three-titted womes a major focus or their lives to the point of spending countless time and money in the worship of 3-titted women, drafted much of our nation's laws (laws you are expected to follow to) based on what the 3-titted woman would want, and constantly got on your case because you don't believe in 3-titted women?
::)
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
In the next few decades christianity will have to go through some sort of reformation cause atm the views are so far past a logical person's thinking.
I see so many bro's come into where I work out full of attitude and cockiness and they forget the real reason why we all started lifting. I'm talking about GOD, the big man, the creator. All things are possible through GOD. If I knew anything about the Bible I could quote something but seriously we need to focus on what bodybuilding is really about. You can want to look good and maybe pull some girls but when you line up for some deep squats (maybe 225x10?) your going to need a guy like God to back you up incase you crush yourself.
Who's with me on this?
You'd think so, huh?
Fortunately for Christianity (unfortunately for humanity), there are more than enough st00pid people incapable of logical thinking out there to keep it going.
Would you feel the same way if 90% of the population believed in 3-titted women, constantly talked about 3-titted women even in venues and circumstances that have nothing to do with 3-titted women, made the existence of three-titted women a major focus or their lives to the point of spending countless time and money in the worship of 3-titted women, drafted much of our nation's laws (laws you are expected to follow too) based on what the 3-titted woman would want, and constantly got on your case because you don't believe in 3-titted women?
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Dude, you really should stop with the "cut and paste". Once in a while is fine, but this is rediculous. Do you have an original argument on this subject??
It is IRRELEVANT how OLD the earth is. In the BEGINNING GOD CREATED it! What is important is how it was created. Would you care to impress us with “How the earth was formed.”? You do realize that this is something that the GREATEST minds in the world struggle with. Yet you seem to think that you can refute ANY Christian on the subject. This cannot even be done by the greatest minds in the world.
You realize that calling someone who doesn’t agree with you, and who does provide FACTS to back his argument, a “Retard” is not something a great mind confident in his arguments would do.
Yet with all of Darwin’s attempts to “explain” the human eye, he was still unable to explain how “VISION” evolved. Like the development of the nerves which transmit the data the eyes see. How the lens, retina, etc. all communicate to the brain. Wasn’t the purpose of the eye to “SEE”. Yet Darwin can’t accurately explain how that fits into his “THEORY”. That’s an interesting word. What does “THEORY” mean?
You might want to verify your sources before making these statements about our Forefathers. I believe Abraham Lincoln was a Christian. By the way, wasn’t the FIRST SCHOOL BOOK a “BIBLE”?????
Are you saying that our country’s morals do not DIRECTLY correlate to the Ten Commandments?? You might want to read them.
So you’re saying that when a species that already existed grows “Feathers” that constitutes a transitional form into another species. Are you saying that if a bald man grows hair he is a new species? I better stay away from the Rogaine.
How about providing us with a fossil record of a dinosaur with one wing, half a beak, and duck feet, that didn’t make it. Isn’t Darwin’s theory “Survival of the FITTEST”? A transitional form doesn’t sound very FIT!
Oh, you called me a “Moron”. Once again, GENIUS at work explaining his arguments. Stick to the chat rooms with the kids. Who don't take the time to research your arguments and assume what you say is fact. When in reality they are SERIOUSLY flawed. I encourage you to take some time to read the Bible before you try to argue that its not true.
Now go out and play.
I don't have time for childish nonsense (calling names).
Peace out.
I am not a religeous person at all...but I am fairly certain that it has been proven that Jesus was an actual person,far as him being the son of God and all that,well that is a matter of faith and personal opinion.
Strong athiests often seem to be trying to convince others to join their belief so just in case they're wrong, they won't be alone in hell.
I truly believe in my heart there is no such thing as a 3-tittied woman. So I don't really think about it. I don't preach to anyone who believes in such a woman. It just never enters my mindset. Same as how it is with weak athiests, who don't know or care if there is a supreme being.
However, if I doubted myself a bit, I might always talk about how there was no such thing. I'd argue with others about it. It would matter. But since I TRULY believe it, it's a non-issue for me.
IMO, strong athiests- those who are vocally anti-God - do believe a little, deep down.
The only problem with that theorie is that there is no proof of a "3-titted woman. But there is proof of Jesus' existence along with archaeological scripture findings that match the scripture in the Bible!
You'd be wrong....
The existence of Jesus is about as "proven" as the existence of Hercules.
I hope that explains it.
The more i think bout it with the current events happeining around the world, it seems we are taking more and more steps backwords.
Just like what happend in the middle ages. MAnkind was progressing so good up untill the fall of the roman empire. Then christianity got a hold of man kind and blahhhhhhhh.......it all goes to shit for several hundred years.
FredK...I'm not going to explain ANYTHING to you because you haven't addressed my past argument. I could easly explain how the earth formed and how I can prove that's how it happened..But until you address ALL of my arguments..I won't provide anymore.
I call you a Retard because you are one. You ignore my arguments.
Darwin lived over 100 years ago. He didn't have the medical knowledge or technology yet to explain the details of the biomechanics of the eye. However today we can explain it easly.
Secondly Evolution itself is NOT a theory..Evolution is a FACT. The "Theory" is Darwins explanation of Evolution..How it works and why. Evolution-Change in the genetics of a population over time due to natural selection..This is a fact. Pure and simple. Darwins "Theory" explains the fact.
"Theory" doesn't mean guess either. A theory is a complex construction of facts explaining something.
http://phyun5.ucr.edu/~wudka/Physics7/Notes_www/node7.html
Lincoln believed in a "God" but he was NOT a christian...
http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2140
The laws of our country were based on reason and logic(most of them that is). "Do not kill" for instance does NOT orginate from the 10 commandments but comes from civilization as a whole. The 10 commandments come from civilizations common laws and jewish laws. Our laws don't come from the 10 commandments but they both come from civilization. No civilization could survive without banning violent crime and killing.
A species doesn't just "Grow feathers". Populations gradually change due to natural selection. The growing of feathers takes places over millions of years and the end result is a NEW species from the original.
Growing hair doesn't make you a new species...Hair isn't feathers. The transitionals I posted don't just have feathers. They have beaks also(Like birds) but teeth(like dinosaurs). Along with numerous other transitional features which you obviously did not read.
Why would a dinosaur have one wing and a half of a beak? That doesn't make any sense.
You obviously don't understand how evolution works even though i've explained it so i'll explain it in simple terms for you...
1.Say you've got a population of let's say dinosaurs.
2.Environment changes.
3.Random mutations that always occured before still occur.
4.Those mutations that benefit the individual with them in this new environment proliferate.
5.The mutations that benefit proliferate through the whole population.
6.Soon the whole population has this benefitial mutation.
7.More mutations are naturally selected.
8.Gradually as more and more changes(Mutations) build up within the population the population changes.
9.After millions of years the change is great and this new population is different completly from the original population.
Get it?
We would not see 1 winged or half a beaked birds. We would see gradual changes. In the middle between modern birds and ancient dinosaurs you would see animals with features of both..I.E. maybe teeth and beaks..Scales and feathers..ect..ect. Small changes built up over time.
It's extremly easy to understand.
If you would debate like an ADULT and stop ignoring all of my points and making up new nonsense I would not call you a moron.
However I expected you would make up a pathetic excuse(name calling) to get away from this loosing battle.
Why? Because he doesn't believe in your "god" fairy tale?
Neither do I.
Hope this helps. :D
I work for a living and don't have time to write small novels as posts, that being said:
http://christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html
http://christiananswers.net/creation/home.html
http://christiananswers.net/jesus/home.html
And we don't believe in your "theories"....it's a mook point. I believe in what I believe and you believe in what you believe...leave it at that!!
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. Scientific theories are never proven to be true, but can be disproven. All scientific understanding takes the form of hypotheses, or conjectures. A theory is in this context a set of hypotheses that are logically bound together, often having used the hypothetico-deductive method.
Theories are typically ways of explaining why things happen, often, but not always, after their occurrence is no longer in scientific dispute. For example, "global warming" refers to the observation that worldwide temperatures seem to be increasing. The "theory of global warming" refers instead to scientific work that attempts to explain how and why this could be happening.
Didn't think you'd go through it, but like I said. It's my believe (backed with evidence and I usually don't commit to anything without evidence so it's not like I woke up one day and said "I think I'll become a born again Christian today". It's my belief and I stand by it.
A good book to refute what you say is: The Case for Christ by Lee Stroble. He was just like you..an atheist until he did research and the evidence was overwhelming. Google his name and you can do the rest...I'm done with this subject!
1.Often people BELIEVE their beliefs are based on facts and evidence but more often or not they aren't. Do me a favor and commit some time to reading some ATHEIST or anti-christian sites for a change and tell me what you think about them. Read some articles on them. I've read about every major pro-christian apologetic site on the net and let me say that I can refute ALL of their arguments. Do some research and then come back with a well put together argument (In your own words) backed with sources and I'll refute it in a few minutes. Explain why you believe in a God..The evidence of a God..Evidence for christianity..Evidence for jesus..Against evolution..ect..ect I'll be more than happy to set you straight. I'm not at home right now but i'll do it within a day or two if you post it today.
2.I've read all of Lee Strobels books. "A case for a creator" "A case against evolution" "A case for christ"..ect..ect. Along with most of the books of most prominent christians and apologetics. I can refute ANY of his arguments in seconds...So give me some of them and i'll refute them.
A good links to read refuting his books are..
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/strobel.html
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/paul_doland/strobel.html
3.The reason I didn't comment on the content of that site is because I don't have time...However I've already read it in the past several times. You can post exerts from it and i'll refute them though here on this forum..Not too much though since I don't have that much time on my hands...Just little few paragraph exerts.
Like I said, it's mook point, we can go back and forth refuting each other until the day we die. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'll respect your opinion and you can respect mine if you want. I will however read those links you posted!
it's mook point
What i find so funny is that most christians will put SOOO much "faith" in a book that was written 2000 years ago by some MEN. They have no real proof that god ment that book to be "HIS" words any more then say the koran or any other religious text.whats funny is that "book" that was wriiten 2000 years ago still applies to life today. Same emotions, same circumstances, same issues that we deal with day to day. My take is so what if you are a believer? What do you have to lose? I see nothing negative if you really do follow the Bible.
Why would god condem ANY man to a "hell" when there are plenty of hells on this earth now.
I believe in some form of a creator but the christian god he is not. To think that the CREATOR of all, would hate any aspect of anything he has created, is just rediculious. Why would he hate a "evil" person's action if he created the very actions that they are doing.
In the next few decades christianity will have to go through some sort of reformation cause atm the views are so far past a logical person's thinking.
whats funny is that "book" that was wriiten 2000 years ago still applies to life today. Same emotions, same circumstances, same issues that we deal with day to day. My take is so what if you are a believer? What do you have to lose? I see nothing negative if you really do follow the Bible.
whats funny is that "book" that was wriiten 2000 years ago still applies to life today. Same emotions, same circumstances, same issues that we deal with day to day.THis is because they are talkin about human instincts. They apply to almost any time in history when dealing with humans.
My take is so what if you are a believer? What do you have to lose? I see nothing negative if you really do follow the Bible.
Why? Because he doesn't believe in your "god" fairy tale?
Neither do I.
Hope this helps. :D
Johnny Apollo= idiot
I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS IT.
Why, because he uses logic and rationality to formulate his opinions?
whats funny is that "book" that was wriiten 2000 years ago still applies to life today. Same emotions, same circumstances, same issues that we deal with day to day. My take is so what if you are a believer? What do you have to lose? I see nothing negative if you really do follow the Bible.
You haven't ben following this thread have you Harry?
If you follow the bible literally then you..
1.Condone slavery.
2.Believe in absurd things including Noah's "arc".
3.Believe non-christians are "wicked" and "dammed".
4.Believe that violence towards non-christians/Sinners is permited by God.
ect..
ect..
The fact is...Sure..SOME events or stories might apply to today. So what? That doesn't mean you should believe everything in the Bible. The bible is simpley this..An old story book composed thousands of years ago by jewish people living in the desert. That's it! Not some magical book sent down by some "God".
You really are an idiot...."Believe that violence towards non-christians/Sinners is permited by God."..I am by no means a bible pounder...Like I said I am not really sure I buy into all that stuff,however,I was raised in church,and you don't know a thing about what you are talking about.I actually share some of your reservations about the likelihood of many of the events in the Bible...but you think you know about what the bible says,when in fact,you have barely got a clue.
Deuteronomy 17
17:1 Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God.
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant,
17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded;
17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel:
17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
17:7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and
afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you.
Deuteronomy 17
17:12 And the man that will do presumptuously, and will not hearken unto the priest that standeth to minister there before the LORD thy God, or unto the judge, even that man shall die: and thou shalt put away the evil from Israel.
17:13 And all the people shall hear, and fear, and do no more presumptuously.
^Anyone who worships any other God's shall be put to death by stoning.
^Anyone who does not listen to a priest shall be put to death.
You were saying???
Oh...And it gets MUCH worse than this.
Well I will be man enough to admit when I am wrong,rather than argue about it for page after page. :) but you do know that the christian faith does not promote or condone violence toward non believers.,simply because they are non believers..things are not the same as they were then (for lack of a better way of saying it)....but you made your point.I am not disagreeing with your argument about the unrealistic tales in the bible.Like I said I was force fed that stuff as a child, and I do not honestly know wheather or not I even believe .
"Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Give him religion and he will starve to death praying for a fish."
Alexx..Yoohoo...
:D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60423.0;attach=71356;image)
Do you believe in science?
Of course. Science can PROVE the claims it makes..Religion can't.
Of course. Science can PROVE the claims it makes..Religion can't.
Of course. Science can PROVE the claims it makes..Religion can't.
actually, when you look at what we knew about science 200 years ago, we were complete idiots. Who's to say that in another 200 years, they won't be laughing at what we foolish people believed about science today?
It's all a learning process. We know nothing. Period.
actually, when you look at what we knew about science 200 years ago, we were complete idiots. Who's to say that in another 200 years, they won't be laughing at what we foolish people believed about science today?
It's all a learning process. We know nothing. Period.
"Religion" might not be able too but the Bible can, you need to learn to the differance between "Religion" and the Bible!
Sorry....It can't. Bible has been disproven on many aspects and i've done so several times in this thread alone.
We'll be laughing at what we did NOT know not what we knew. Today we can prove things that can't be changed..For instnace evolution. We can prove this happens and happened. In 200 years will will know MORE about it though.
So has science!
It would be selfish to deny the existence of another being in our universe. You can ask every sciencer the question if there is a other being in our universe,
and the answer would be yes.
Whether it is a creationist, ID or somebody who believes in (Darwin)evolution.
Where not alone, and that ain't a cheap X-file joke, but it's a fact. And there's numerous evidence for that.
The chance of life originating somewhere else is almost 99,99999...% Past civilisations has also reported that strange beings had come arrived from the sky, and they would be worshipped many years. It's the same idea over different communities in the past. Even nowadays the same story.
It's also proven that life can exist outside earth.
How big makes that the chance that humans fucked up once before and thrown to earth.
Not as exact beings, but enough DNA to start up life again. Were nowadays able to reconstruct ears on mice, for a higher civilizing that would be a piece of cake to calcute the exact needs for planet earth.
You find a similar story in the bible,
Arc of Noah preparing to survive with a bunch of basic animals.
Remember that the bible speaks for a great deal in metaphors, and not anything should be taken litterally.
Whether you believe in God or not, the bible also shows us an other message,
don't f**k up... again.
Looks like you could use my help.....or anyone's help LOL!!
The whole UFO's visiting earth is bullshit. However I do believe in life on other planets based on the stats you've mentioned going with my knowledge of evolution and biogenesis.
Whoever says science only started to evolve the bast couple of centuries should go pickup a book on Atlantis. The civilization was so advanced that it far surpasses today's standarts! Samething goes for religion. Advanced in the begining (Angels), lost information (Noah Arc) and now higher learning (scientist can't deny that God exists)!
Why do you think UFO's are bullshit? There have been so many sightings through the years that it's retarded to think everyone who's seen a UFO is a crackpot.
....until he did research and the evidence was overwhelming....
Are you fucking joking?!?? ???
You can't be fucking serious!!!
owned! hahahaha undisputed evidence. Now go get babtised!
Get serious. Do you have evidence or don't you?
Go do some research on history. Then come back to me and we will talk.
I majored in History. You are either 1.Delusional or 2.Joking. I think it's 2..I HOPE it's 2.
Tell me what is your affixiation with hitler?
I'm waiting for the "Evidence of a God"...Then i'll tell you. ;)
ok well if you believe is science and history then you would know that both those lead straight to the answers about religion's authenticity! Your turn!!
The whole UFO's visiting earth is bullshit. However I do believe in life on other planets based on the stats you've mentioned going with my knowledge of evolution and biogenesis.
Why call it a UFO?
If there would be life on the moon,
Neil Armstrong would be an Alien, the Apollo 11 an UFO and the moonbuggy something magistic. Understanding something not doesn't mean nonexisting, or something out of the ordinary.
And besides that,
the human race only exist for about 100.000 years. Did you know when we start flying?
about a century ago. A "being" being able to build a vehicle that can cross galaxy's wouldn't be a great surprise.
Sounds like music, but einstein already calculated that it is possible to cross lightyears in short time. It's just become a matter of bringing knowledge to practice.
And let's say if other beings would exist,
what would the learn from us?
Killing each other, surpress people, preach democraty by sword. There is absolutely no need to engage to the planet earth.
And I don't believe in beings crossing the galaxy killing other beings, what would be the point?
They have to fear us if we succeed to escape from this planet.
Wow..You're good at plagiarism! ::)
www.christianity.co.nz/god-man4.htm
I'll refute it within a day or two..EVERYONE...Watch and marvel at my supreme skills.
And Alexx..I'll expect you to ADDRESS my refutations of your plagiarized bullshit.
I pray for bast
Hint: You have to believe something exists in order to "hate" it.
Saying that I "hate" god is kinda like saying I hate Frosty the Snowman. ::)
The proof of the pudding
When someone makes extraordinary claims as Jesus did, the obvious thing to do is to ask the question: Do the other things we know about this person support such claims or not? I suggest there are four lines of evidence that support his claims. Each, taken separately, presents a compelling argument. Together they present overwhelming evidence. I shall avoid using the word "proof"! Each person must weigh up the evidence for themselves.
His character supports his claims
In all of history has there been anyone whose character and sheer goodness has shone so brightly? Although his claims seem egocentric, his life-style was humble. He avoided publicity and refused to perform miracles to please the crowds. He taught his disciples that service to others was the mark of greatness. He left them with a servant model by washing their feet. He deliberately sought out the despised of society, yet seemed equally at ease with the upper classes.
"We have here an example of love that is beyond human comprehension. At every point his teaching and example are one of a kind"
His life exemplified his own teaching. He said to the religious Jews, "How can you believe if you accept praise from one another, yet make no effort to obtain the praise that comes from the only God," and at the same time appeared immune to the praise or blame of others. He taught that "a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions," and demonstrated his own freedom from the grip of material things. As far as we know, he only possessed the clothes he wore. He condemned hypocrisy in others and gave no hint of it in himself.
He told his disciples to love their enemies and he himself prayed for forgiveness for those who nailed him on the cross. His compassion for others comes through in every chapter of the story. If, as the New Testament constantly affirms, he laid down his life for the sins of the human race, to reconcile people to God, we have here an example of love that is beyond human comprehension. At every point his teaching and his example are one of a kind.
His self-assurance and courage stand out clearly, and nowhere more so than at his trial. J. B. Phillips, who translated the New Testament into modern English, says of him:
This man could be moved with compassion and could be very gentle, but...he was quite terrifyingly tough, not in a James Bond sort of way, but in the sheer strength of a unified and utterly dedicated personality.
His attitude to women was in sharp contrast to the customs of the age, indeed of any age. Dorothy Sayers, in her book Are Women Human? sums this up aptly:
They had never known a man like this Man - there never has been such another. A prophet and teacher who never nagged at them, never flattered or coaxed or patronised; who never made arch jokes about them, never treated them either as "The women, God help us!" or "The ladies, God bless them!"; who rebuked without querulousness and praised without condescension; who took their questions seriously; who never mapped out their sphere for them, never urged them to be feminine or jeered at them for being female; who had no axe to grind and no uneasy male dignity to defend; who took them as he found them and was completely unselfconscious.
He showed particular kindness towards divorced women, prostitutes and his mother.
It is interesting to note what his closest friends made of him. John declared, "We have seen his glory...full of grace and truth" (John 1:14) and "in him is no sin" ( 1 John 3:5). Peter said, "He committed no sin" (1 Peter 2:22). These were men who spent two-and-a-half years as his closest companions. Paul, who did not know Christ personally while he was on earth, but who knew many who did, said that he "had no sin" (2 Corinthians 5:21).
His enemies sought to find fault with him over a period of two or more years. However, at his trial they could find no evidence against him, other than that of blasphemy for claiming to be the Messiah, and of insurrection for claiming to be a king. When they attacked his character they only contradicted themselves. Pilate, though allowing him to be crucified out of cowardice, declared twice, "I find no basis for a charge against him" (John 19:4,6). Even the traitor Judas confessed that he had betrayed an innocent man (Matthew 27:4).
What are we to make of such a man? The Russian author Dostoevski, in a letter to his brother, put it like this:
I want to say to you that I am a child of this age, a child of unbelief and scepticism and yet...I believe that there is nothing lovelier, deeper, more sympathetic, more rational, more human and more perfect than the Saviour.
Wakasa no Kami was a Japanese feudal lord. In 1854 he discovered a waterlogged copy of a Dutch translation of the Bible floating in the waves. He acquired a Chinese translation and studied it for eleven years. One day he appeared at the door of Verbeck, the first Protestant missionary to Japan, with fifty retainers in full regalia, and asked for baptism. He declared:
I cannot tell you my feelings when for the first time I read the account of the character and work of Jesus Christ. I had never seen, heard or imagined such a person. I was filled with admiration, overwhelmed with emotion and taken captive by the record of his nature and life.
Marcus Loane, biblical scholar and Archbishop, summed all this up well when he declared:
His life was marked by a moral perfection which people might try to describe but could never invent. His death was invested with a sacrificial value which could only have derived from one who was sinless. That perfection of character under every test and in every circumstance could not be the product of an imperfect group of disciples. There was no one like him: no saint or seer; no prophet or psalmist; he was unique. And the glory of the New Testament is that it shows how God sent His Son into this world that by means of him our sins may be forgiven.
His teaching supports his claims
One aspect of his teaching that constantly impressed his hearers was the authoritative manner with which he spoke: "...the crowds were amazed at his teaching, because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law" (Matthew 7:29); "The people were all so amazed that they asked one another, 'What is this? A new teaching - and with authority!'" (Mark 1:27). Jesus never quoted any authorities other than the Old Testament Scriptures. He never said, "Rabbi so-and-so says this". Neither did he hide behind the authority of Jehovah as the prophets of old: "Thus says the Lord". He simply declared, "Truly I say to you".
"I call myself a Christian because I discern in the New Testament a man whose life, death and central teaching penetrates more deeply into the mysterious reality of our condition than anyone or anything else has ever done"
There is a wisdom and comprehensiveness about the ethical teaching of Christ that has never been surpassed. He dealt with all the most vital issues of life: our relationship with God and with one another, our attitude to material possessions, our motivations and goals in life, and the relationship of this life to the next. Philip Toynbee, reviewer and writer, expressed it this way:
I call myself a Christian because I discern in the New Testament a man whose life, death and central teaching penetrates more deeply into the mysterious reality of our condition than anyone or anything else has ever done. In the Gospels, Acts, and Epistles, I find a total view of what man is, of what he could be and ought to be,which evokes a response in me such as no other writings have ever done.
During the last 2,000 years no teaching on the subject of how people should behave has emerged that represents any advance on Jesus' model. According to G. Thomas:
...since the days of Christ, in spite of all the progress of thought, not a single new ethical ideal has been given to the world.
There is also a challenge in his teaching that has not been equalled. He drew attention to thoughts and motives as well as outward behaviour (Matthew 5:21,22, 27,28; Mark 7:6,21-23; Luke 12:15; John 5:44, etc.). There is an uncanny way in which he always gets to the core of an issue. It is therefore difficult to study the gospels with moral neutrality. Carnegie Simpson, in his book The Fact of Christ, says:
The historical fact of Christ has religious issues because of its moral challenge. As we study, our conscience is aroused. As we examine him intellectually, he examines us spiritually, and the roles are reversed. We study Aristotle and are intellectually edified thereby. We study Jesus and are in the profoundest way spiritually disturbed. We are constrained to take up some inward moral attitude of heart and will in relation to Jesus. A man may study Jesus with intellectual impartiality, but he cannot do it with moral neutrality. We must declare our colours.
Jesus also had the ability to take the ordinary experiences of everyday people and use them to illustrate, in unforgettable ways, the deeper truths of life. The method of his teaching, as well as its content, was unique. Although he had never had higher education he impressed his hearers. "The Jews were amazed and asked, 'How did this man get such learning without having studied?'" (John 7:15). How indeed?
Here again, the problem between his claims and the wisdom of his teaching is highlighted. As Elton Trueblood put it:
All four Gospels bristle with supernatural claims on the part of Jesus. If he was only a teacher, he was a very misleading one.
Or to quote C. S. Lewis again:
...the discrepancy between the depth and sanity and (let me add) shrewdness of his moral teaching, and the rampant megalomania which must lie behind his theological teaching, unless he is indeed God, has never been satisfactorily got over.
His miracles support his claims
The influential Archbishop of Canterbury, William Temple, noted:
It is now recognised that the one Christ for whose existence there is any evidence at all is a miraculous figure making stupendous claims.
The gospel stories contain numerous examples of Jesus healing all kinds of illnesses and, in three instances, raising the dead. He also demonstrated his powers over nature. These miracles, as Archibald Alexander puts it:
...were performed, for the most part, in an open and public manner, in the presence of multitudes of witnesses, under the inspection of learned and malignant enemies, in a great variety of circumstances, and for several years in succession. His enemies never denied these signs.
In today's materialistic world these miracles appear as an embarrassment. We distrust anything that does not have a "scientific" explanation. However, I suspect that the problem is often not so much with Jesus' miracles as with his claims. The question we ought to be asking is, "If Jesus was the one through whom the universe was created, would we expect his life to be different?" If he had the power to heal, and did not do so, then would we use this as an argument to dispute his claims?
Jesus himself claimed that his works were evidence that the Father had sent him. He urged both his disciples and his opponents to believe in him on the basis of these works if they found it difficult to believe on the basis of any other evidence (John 5:36; 10:37,38; 14:11). However, he studiously avoided performing miracles just for show or to obtain a following. John calls his miracles "signs" - signs of who he was and what he had come to do.
The greatest of all miracles in the life of Jesus was his own resurrection. I have dealt with this in a separate booklet, Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead? as it is worth a booklet on its own.
His influence in history supports his claims
We divide history into BC and AD because of Jesus! H. G. Wells said:
I am an historian. I am not a believer. But I must confess, as an historian, this penniless creature from Galilee is irresistibly the centre of history.
Jesus has captured the heart and mind and allegiance of peasant and king, of intellectual and illiterate the world over. Wherever the message of this man has been proclaimed, among all races and cultures, people have turned from their own ways to follow him. His influence in art, music and literature is incalculable.
So much of what may be called "progress" has been done in his name: the abolition of slavery; the building of hospitals; the development of the nursing profession; the reform of prisons; the abolition of child labour; the care of orphans and the elderly; the foundation of innumerable charitable organisations such as the Red Cross and the YMCA; the development of education worldwide, particularly of the lower classes; pioneer work with lepers; literacy projects all round the world; the abolition of forced labour in the Congo; resistance to black-birding in the Pacific; the ending of cannibalism and child sacrifice on several continents; the fight for human rights in combating opium, foot-binding and exposure of girl babies in China; the war against widow-burning, infanticide and temple prostitution in India - the list goes on and on. Until comparatively recently eighty percent of all education in Africa south of the Sahara was done by Christian missionaries.
Historian Ruth Tucker says:
The ministry of missionary medicine during the twentieth century has been without a doubt the greatest humanitarian effort the world has ever known.
As late as 1935, half the hospitals in China were run by missionaries. Even the foundations of modern science were laid in the name of this man from Nazareth, as were the foundations of Western music.
Much of the influence of Jesus is well documented in the book What If Jesus Had Never Been Born by D. James Kennedy and Jerry Newcombe (Word Publishing, 1994). This is an excellent book as it does not overlook the failures of those who claim to be his followers. It is no wonder that the Encyclopaedia Britannica gives far more space to the historic Jesus than any other human figure.
His influence has not diminished today. Historian Kenneth Scott Latourette has observed that:
Never has Jesus had so wide and so profound an effect upon humanity as in the past three or four generations. Through him, millions of individuals have been transformed and have begun to live the kind of life which he exemplified...Gauged by the consequences, the events which have followed the birth, life, death, and resurrection of Jesus have been the most important events in the history of man. Measured by his influence, Jesus is central in the human story.
Christians claim that this influence stems not only from his life on earth, but also from his resurrection and continued activity in the lives of his people by the Holy Spirit. If we deny this, then we are left with the belief that it all grew out of the impact of a mere three years ministry of this remarkable man, in an obscure corner of the Roman Empire, and that alone.
A being that advanced probably pops their head into our little shithole, looks around and sees a bunch of violent douchebags(us), rolls up the windows and keeps going.
Good work, Johnny. I am an atheist who doesn't like to preach often, but sometimes you have to speak up to counter the blatantly false ideas that people try to peddle to you.
Thats exactly how Christians feel. But since Johnny doesn't have an original thought he goes to athiest sites to counter. It takes approximatly 5 solid years to read, interperate and understand the Bible, this clown thinks he can do it in a post!
Thats exactly how Christians feel. But since Johnny doesn't have an original thought he goes to athiest sites to counter. It takes approximatly 5 solid years to read, interperate and understand the Bible, this clown thinks he can do it in a post!
quoted like thisto imply it did not come from me and I ALWAYS provide the source of my copy-paste.
Christians aren't necessarily countering blatantly false ideas because they are dealing with faith. When someone says that they don't see a reason to be Christian, the response is not a series of facts showing that they should be, but instead a certain amount of rhetoric that is intended to persuade them to be. Johnny's quotes are quite likely from people who have read and have an excellent understanding of the Bible. But that just begs the question. If it takes 5 years to understand the Bible (including time to learn the original languages?), then how much does the average person get out of reading it?
What quotes are you refering to? My posts come from me and just me. And I do have an extensive understanding of the hebrew and greek bible(Old and new testaments). As well as other non-included texts in the modern cannon such as the gnostic gospels or gospels of thomas.
I was agreeing with you. The information you posted was clearly written by someone who was informed about the Bible.
Sorry..Thought you meant someone else besides myself.
never because the bible was written in english
Indeed..But science CORRECTS itself and changes what has been disproven. Science is "Self correcting" by nature.
When was the last time they edited the bible when something in it had been refuted or shown to be untrue? lol!
never because the bible was written in english
Define the question
Gather information and resources
Form hypothesis
Perform experiment and collect data
Analyze data
Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypotheses
Publish results
The Bible was firstly written in Hebrew(Old testament) and kione greek(New testament). Translated to latin and german and english later on.
Never have they went in and changed and edited or took out parts of the bible because it had been refuted. When we found out we evolved from other animals did they change genesis 1? No. When we found out there was never a "global flood" did they change the noah flood story? Nope.
Science always corrects itself.
When we found out newtonian physics was not absolutely right did we change it? Yes Einstein did.
When we found out mars did not have artifical canals did we change it? yes we did.
When frauds or hoaxes are put up as science what happens? Other SCIENTISTS refute them.
In science as new observations are made past theories are changed. If we were to observe something new in nature we would CHANGE AND CORRECT our ideas.
Here's how the scientifc method works in simple easy steps...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Once you define your question,gather information and form a hypothesis..You TEST IT.
In essence you throw the hypothesis against a brick wall to determine if it's solid. If it's not solid then you pick up pieces of the hypothesis and put them back together stronger correcting the past mistakes. If the hypothesis is solid..It's the piecies of the wall you'll be picking up!
Your logic makes no sense.
Humans do not evolve from monkey maybe only you from a pig.
Look at bodybuilder... they have evolved their way of training and gear and look at the results... it seems that everything got lost in the quest for mass. Proportion, shape, symetry do you think that guts are a good thing?
Johnny Apollo - I really wouldn't bother. When you are brainwashed to a certain degree it is quite similar to a mind virus. This goes for any type of brainwashing, not just religion. Politics is another popular brainwashing topic.
You'll never convince the person you're arguing with, but you might just convince the fence-sitter who is observing but not participating in the argument.
Johnny's a blowhard who refuses to look at facts and findings that coinside with the Bible. I'm done, this thread is giving be a headache (from banging my head againt the wall)!
What facts? You haven't provided any? All you have done is CLAIM you have provided facts and then said you're done with the thread(Several times might I add).
I'm waiting for some evidence. I still haven't seen any.
I have a job, I don't have time to write novels for posts. Along time ago before you even knew about this board there was about a 20 page thread on this subject and it was an intellegent, no name calling thread. The atheists had their arguements we had ours, I went indepth on apolgetics and they went indepth on their arguements. Bottom line we wound up not getting anywhere but it was a great thread. Johnny if you CLAIM to know apologetics then you do know (whether you will admit it or not) that their have been archological finds that match the date's of the Bible. And you would also know that the Arc could be quite real (the explaination is long but absolutly make sense) and the same some of the other things found in the Bible. Hey Johnny, you know apologetics you should know this stuff whether you belive it or not.
I have a job, I don't have time to write novels for posts. Along time ago before you even knew about this board there was about a 20 page thread on this subject and it was an intellegent, no name calling thread. The atheists had their arguements we had ours, I went indepth on apolgetics and they went indepth on their arguements. Bottom line we wound up not getting anywhere but it was a great thread. Johnny if you CLAIM to know apologetics then you do know (whether you will admit it or not) that their have been archological finds that match the date's of the Bible. And you would also know that the Arc could be quite real (the explaination is long but absolutly make sense) and the same some of the other things found in the Bible. Hey Johnny, you know apologetics you should know this stuff whether you belive it or not.
Actually the bible has been heavily edited. For instance in original texts (hebrew) the tetragram YHWH (Yahweh or Jehovah, appears 6,843 times, yet is reduced to once at PS 83:18. So who do you think started this superstition that saying Gods name was unspeakable??? When in fact the ALMIGHTY said his NAME is to be praised......However the bible's message remains true and he can be found in it.
Johnny why do you seem so angry?
Johnny why do you seem so angry?
hahaha I don't even read anything Apollo Posts!
It isn't like your tiny brain could comprehend what I'm saying anyway.
Its just that I can't hear you when you talk with a mouthfull!
Its just that I can't hear you when you talk with a mouthfull!
I don't see how that would matter since this is a MESSAGE BOARD!
Exactly! You can't see so why do you reply giberish?
That made absolutely no sense.
All I see is you CLAIMING more nonsense but backing it up with NOTHING. You claim the evidence is there, Yet you make excuses as to why you won't present it. You claim this and that yet you make excuses about having no time to provide it. That's NO WAY TO DEBATE. Either put up the evidence or stop taking up space in this thread with your bullshit.
I'm about sick of you claiming that you have provided evidence in other threads or you have done this or done that yet you won't provide any proof here and now.
Know why the other thread went so long? I wasn't there with my undeniable logic to stop you crazy religious nuts in your tracks. Notice how you're the only one who continues to post in this thread...Anytime a crazy religious nut makes a post..I refute it point blank!
is this true? I'm asking for Alexxx's sake.
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What "Original texts"? There are no original copies of the old or new testament. Everything we have are copies of copies of copies of copies...Even the earliest manuscripts.
No one said "god's name"(The hebrew god had many various names including "Elohim") was unspeakable. However the hebrew bible said that you should not speak it in "vein" I.E. vein repetitions of prayer.
Johnny, STFU. I've been there and done that. Like I said Bud, you claim to the apologetics expert so this info should be common knowledge since these questions are so frequently asked. I don't have time to be on here ALL DAY and debate, crap, I can "refute" you all day long and I guarantee if we were face to face I can bury so far deep with info you wouldn't know what hit you. Don't think just because someone doesn't answer you in a post you won the arguement............thi s is an arguement that cannot be won by anyone. I have studied both sides of this issue and the evidence is overwhelming on the Christian side. You "claim" you read the books by Lee Stroble and frankly I think (and yes I'm being judgemental) you're full of crap. With the eveidence and research he presented (and him being a former atheist just like you) you would have have to do the same kind of research he did to refute it took him years yet you seem to be able to do it in a GetBig thread. Get over it son, you have your beliefs and I have mine, we'll never come to an agreement because you don't have the mental capacity to carry on a thread without name calling if someone disagrees with you. Basically, you nor science has proven a thing. When science has to correct their mistakes that often it just means that means they can't get it right the first time and unlike God!!
Do a search on dead sea scrolls and enlighten yourself. Cause this ain't true.
And whether God exist or not, that's your own choice. Nobody can make that for you.
But claiming that He ain't there cause nobody has seen him isn't an argument.
Nobody has ever seen gravity, yet it still exist. We can verify it, we have a nice formula, but yet we can't fully understand how it works.
The same with evolution,
we know a lot, yet it's questionable if you put it in the big picture, we have gathered a lot of attributes from the past, we have created a story around the attributes, and we claim the theory is better than the story from the bible.
The only thing is, the creation of earth and mankind only exist out of two chapters, and it is already known that the bible speaks in great deal in metaphors.
So what kind of discussion do you want to start? That god doesn't exist? That's a task for you, not for those who believe. The bible is very summary about creation, a believer cannot discuss with you about that.
On the other side, somebody who believes in evolution, and thinks thats the proof that god doesn't exist, is also wrong, he can't proof that there ain't live outside earth who interfered within the creation of earth, both side agree that there is a not above-average but almost 100% change that live exist outside our habitat.
And a theory is a theory until proven otherwise.
In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. Scientific theories are never proven to be true, but can be disproven. All scientific understanding takes the form of hypotheses, or conjectures. A theory is in this context a set of hypotheses that are logically bound together, often having used the hypothetico-deductive method.
Johnny Apollo....you seem very knowlegeable on this subject...what are your credentials? Are you educated?
how many years after god died was the bible written? why wasn't it written by god when he was alive?
No evidence as usual.
I find it fucking funny that you take the time to post such long drawn out posts and then claim you "have no time" to post evidence... ::)
That took about a minute to write at 11:38pm and it's 5:15am now. Like I said, your the "expert" you figure it out!
Here is the deal...Either provide a well thought argument or stop posting and making excuses. Obviously other people posting in this thread care to discuss this topic and if you can only make excuses then don't post in it anymore.
You're being specific and giving sources and that I admire but now i'll refute you.
I've read the dead sea scrolls(Gnostic gospels, ect) as i've mentined earlier. These are the "Earliest known copies" but are just that.."Copies".
The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the the late 1940's (if i remember correctly 47') and they were authenticated....they were not copies!!
please provide the provenance(authenticity) link for the dead sea scrolls. who confirmed it, pat robertson, benny hinn or jerry falwell?
The Dead Sea Scrolls were found in the the late 1940's (if i remember correctly 47') and they were authenticated....they were not copies!!
http://www.ibiblio.org/expo/deadsea.scrolls.exhibit/world.scrolls.html
please provide the provenance(authenticity) link for the dead sea scrolls. who confirmed it, pat robertson, benny hinn or jerry falwell?
um thanks for the 3rd grade fairy tale but we're wtill waiting for scholarly evidence and validation.
No...That link is correct for the most part.
Here is a better one though..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_sea_scrolls
thanks, this is less bumper stick mentality
guy. let this thread die. YOU RUINED THE WHOLE JOKE OF IT!nah
guy. let this thread die. YOU RUINED THE WHOLE JOKE OF IT!
there's a religious thread buffet down on the general board
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=43713.0 (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=43713.0)
I know this. I'm saying they are ANCIENT COPIES. I.E. not directly from the original authors. Do you actually think the dead sea scrolls are the first time the 10 commandments appeared in history?
The carbon dating of them yields the earliest age of the oldest manuscript from 21 BC–AD 61. The religion of judaism is hundreds of years older than this.
There are two uses of the word theory; a supposition which is not backed by observation is known as a conjecture, and if backed by observation it is a hypothesis. Most theory evolves from hypotheses, but the reverse is not true: many hypotheses turn out to be false and so do not evolve into theory.[/]
I don't get you're point exactly.
It's the proof that the bible hasn't been altered in almost 2 millenia. What are the odds that it would be changed before?
And another thing, a theory is a theory,
you don't need the bible to back up the fact that there are other beings in this universe, and there's a reasonable change that they have a achieved a higher form of society. It's all about mathematics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheoryQuoteThere are two uses of the word theory; a supposition which is not backed by observation is known as a conjecture, and if backed by observation it is a hypothesis. Most theory evolves from hypotheses, but the reverse is not true: many hypotheses turn out to be false and so do not evolve into theory.[/]
Ok...And?
This is the scientific usage. In science the modern laymen definition of "Theory" i.e a hunch is known as a "Conjecture" as that states.
The theory of Evolution(Different from evolution itself) isn't a conjecture since it's supported by observation..It's an accepted theory that came from a hypothesis.
First of all...The Dead sea scrolls only contains books of the HEBREW BIBLE not the new testament. So it has absolutely nothing to do with what I was saying about how each book of the new testament is different.No, you're implicing that today's books are copy's of copy's of copy's, and that for not correct,
Second of all, The dead sea scrolls DO contain variations. For instance different stories about abraham and variants in the book of enoch. For the most part the dead sea scrolls are in agreement with the Masoretic(Modern hebrew law) I don't see how this makes much of a difference. I don't ever recall saying the Masoretic texts bible had been changed in modern times.
1."Theory" has various definitions. In science the definition of "Theory" is different then the laymen definition of theory. I've proven that.
2.How does the bible support "Other beings in this universe"? I don't know what you're trying to say here.
Ok...And?
This is the scientific usage. In science the modern laymen definition of "Theory" i.e a hunch is known as a "Conjecture" as that states.
The theory of Evolution(Different from evolution itself) isn't a conjecture since it's supported by observation..It's an accepted theory that came from a hypothesis.
Evolution is a process that results in heritable changes in a population spread over many generations.As simple as that my friend. Changes, that's the definition of evolution.
What do you mean by different faiths.
In the Netherlands we had different Christens, like Lutherans, Catholics, Reformed and off course Judes, but they didn't really believed in Jesus.
They all had different churches but they all believed in the same God.
In Europe protestans were prosequited during the inquisition, and they fleeded to the US, one of the reasons that there are so few catholics in America.
No, you're implicing that today's books are copy's of copy's of copy's, and that for not correct,
while the dead sea scrolls acually proof that they haven't been altered.
Do you know yourself what Evolution stands for?
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-definition.html As simple as that my friend. Changes, that's the definition of evolution.
Does it exclude outside interference? Nope.
Is there a reasonable change that outside life has contacted earth, yes. And I don't mean any kind of alien story crap, but there's a reasonable changes that microbes have travelled with comets/meteors with enough RNA/DNA to start life, or give it just the extra ingredient.
Is there a reasenable change that over time a microbe by abiogenisis has resulted in nature as we know it today. It's a possibility, nevertheless, the chances on that are in my opinion smaller.
Since the bigbang, the universe exist over billions of years,
planet earth only exist for 3-4 billions years. In this widespread area, I don't believe mankind is the first being around. And even if we find out if there is other life, it still doesn't exclude a greater being,
cause where/who the hell ignited the bom that resulted in a big-bang.
And by the way,
maybe you figured it out by my writingskills, but I'm not an American, I'm Dutch :P ,
yet teachers tought me on school that the founding fathers were merely Protestans who fleeded from Europe. The did believe in God, but not in the Pope en the Church of Rome as an institute.
What do you mean by different faiths.
In the Netherlands we had different Christens, like Lutherans, Catholics, Reformed and off course Judes, but they didn't really believed in Jesus.
They all had different churches but they all believed in the same God.
In Europe protestans were prosequited during the inquisition, and they fleeded to the US, one of the reasons that there are so few catholics in America.
And growing every day thanks to latin immigration.
Most Catholics are pretty secular in their worldview, so more Catholics really isn't the worst thing that could happen. The fundamentalist protestants are the ones who scare the shit out of me... most of them aren't too different from the nutjob muslims over in the Middle East in their outlook.
And growing every day thanks to latin immigration.yes, they are very scary, and the funny thing is that they hate the very people that are just like them (muslim fundi's), and suck up to the jews like there is no tomorrow. And the jews couldnt give two shits about christians, lol.
Most Catholics are pretty secular in their worldview, so more Catholics really isn't the worst thing that could happen. The fundamentalist protestants are the ones who scare the shit out of me... most of them aren't too different from the nutjob muslims over in the Middle East in their outlook.
We have Christian 'missionaries' that come here to our 'backwards' country to educate us 'heathens'.
They disrespect our culture, run around accosting people and poke their noses in everything.
Plus, they tend to be real wierdos in general.
They are very disliked, to put it mildly :-\
She lives on some backwards island in the Caribbean. ;D
1. "I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt..."
2. "You shall have no other gods besides Me... Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
3. "You shalt not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."
4. "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"
5. "Honor your father and your mother..."
6. "You shall not murder"
7. "You shall not commit adultery."
8. "You shall not steal."
9. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
10. "You shall not covet your neighbor's house..."
Don't make the mistake that wacko's are bringing the word of God.
...Protestans don't have images of Jesus
2. "You shall have no other gods besides Me... Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."
Now is jesus god or isn't he? If he IS god then making pictures of him is blasphemy! If he isn't..The whole christian religion goes down into the crapper. So which is it?
3. "You shalt not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."Haha, lyer,
This doesn't mean curse. All it means is praying in repetition. Something jews and christians do alot...
4. "Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy"Work six days a week as a max, and keep the seventh for your family. As you remember,
::)
6. "You shall not murder"Cause africans were supposed to be other beings, living on the other side of the world,
This must of applied to "some" people "sometimes". Much like that whole "All men are created equal" while africans were considered less than whites at the time.
The bible itself encourages "Crusades" and missionary missions to convert "infidels" or kill them..Whichver is easier I guess. ::)
Protestans don't have images of JesusHaha, lyer,
you're not allowed to make promises you can't keep, or say things that didn't happen. It's also supposed to include cursing.
Cause africans were supposed to be other beings, living on the other side of the world,
but it wasn't a racial issue. You had Jews in all colors,
fe the Jews in Egypt were black.
Yes...we go around killing people who don't agree with us ::)!
Yes...we go around killing people who don't agree with us ::)!
As are socialists.
What are you? (Correct response is not "I'm Batman" ;D).
atheist, communist, drug addict and VERY VERY delusional!
Sure they do. Go to any methodist church and you'll see plenty of them.No they don't,
The hebrew text doesn't say "curse" it says "Speak in vein". "IN vein" means praying to god in repetitions like pagans do.The term used is vain,
Jews in the ancient middle east were alot darker..Like muslims are today. But they weren't black.
Secondly there was no "Exodus" from egypt. If there were hundreds of thousands of jews living in the desert for 40 years there would be atleast some evidence of such..There isn't any. Egyptian history is very well put together and even the attempts to erase it by ancient phraohs have failed (Aten). If there were the events that happened in the bible..It would be on atleast some historical texts of the time in egypt. Yet it's on ZERO. Secondly who was this supposed pharoh who died? None of them fit the description of him or his death.
gee for a christer on sunday during lent you're full of hate
The term used is vain,
and it's not about praying, it's about swearing. Some poeple claim it also meant about cursing, fi goddamned, jesus etc etc.
"You shalt not swear falsely by the name of the LORD..."
This commandment is to never take the name of God in a vain oath. This includes four types of prohibited oaths: an oath affirming as true a matter one knows to be false, an oath that affirms the patently obvious, an oath denying the truth of a matter one knows to be true, and an oath to perform an act that is beyond one's capabilities. [/]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_commandments
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/in_vain
I love wikipedia, it enlightens us all ;D
just remember these lyrics from the Fulblown song "Dosividanya"(sp?)
"just wait, God's not finished"
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You don't really listen to Fulblown, do you? ;D
actually yeah I do and they are a very good band
better than any of the crap out there today
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i'm praying for you, brother. really, i am.
I love wikipedia, it enlightens us all ;D
I mix my protein powder in holy water.