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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Lee_a_priest on August 06, 2006, 03:46:34 PM
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino. Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there. Read it first then give me your opinion. I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doing the nudes or XXX videos, or girl on girl action but the rules do state.......... Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
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how about we just drop the whole masculine female side from the entire sport (bb,fitness,figure)?
was better without them...
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
There should be a rule that Mandy Blank have to do hardcore scenes.
And that jennifer girl too. Too bad there isn't NPC rules discussed. I know a few rules I'd liked to have implemented regarding some female Getbiggers.
YIP
Zack
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When did they change anyhow? I remember that years ago, a Ms O competitor got in hot water for posing in Playboy. The rules seem a little...looser now.
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When did they change anyhow? I remember that years ago, a Ms O competitor got in hot water for posing in Playboy. The rules seem a little...looser now.
they haven't changed that is the point...
total enforcement of one rule - absolute non enforcement of every other rule!
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When did they change anyhow? I remember that years ago, a Ms O competitor got in hot water for posing in Playboy. The rules seem a little...looser now.
As loose as the bunghole of Yvette Bova. Or Rhonda Lee Quaresma. ;D
YIP
Zack
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WOAH! Denise Masino has done some hot stuff!
Perhaps some more "Raw, uncut XXX girl-on-girl action from this female muscle pro and the girls she likes to dominate" would make the sport more mainstream!
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=denise+masino
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
1.) I haven't had a chance to read it, but I will since you brought it up.
2.) This is an issue you should bring up with Betty Pariso, she's the WOMEN'S representative.
3.) Maybe you could help these girls out with some money to compensate them, from the Lee Priest Foundation- Home for wayward female bodybuilders.
4.) Seriously, I think it's bullshit myself, and have said so to Betty. I believe she is submitting a proposal to clean up the women's side.
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As loose as the bunghole of Yvette Bova. Or Rhonda Lee Quaresma. ;D
YIP
Zack
When I posted that, I knew someone would follow up on the word loose. ;D
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4.) seriously, I think it's bullshit myself, and have said so to Betty. I believe she is submitting a proposal to clean up the women's side.
So you think the IFBB's decision NOT to fine/suspend her is bullshit?
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3.) Maybe you could help these girls out with some money to compensate them, from the Lee Priest Foundation- Home for wayward female bodybuilders.
Hello! Lee runs a home for wayward fitness and figure girls. Keep the facts straight, Chick... :)
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2.) This is an issue you should bring up with Betty pariso, she's the WOMEN'S representative.
WOMEN'S?
The female bodybuilders need someone who tells it like it is. Betty Pariso blasted you for your Chicks with Dicks article, or if it was "Chick on chicks"? Whatever else will happen, you definitely deserve credit for calling the BS that the female bodybuilders are. Poor bastards being played by the schmoes.
YIP
Zack
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So you think the IFBB's decision NOT to fine/suspend her is bullshit?
If I were running the ship...NONE of that shit would have been tolerated from day 1...men or women.
This isn't anything new, I've had this discussion dozens of times over the years.
It's merely ONE of the reasons womens BB is where it is.
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If I were running the ship...NONE of that shit would have been tolerated from day 1...men or women.
This isn't anything new, I've had this discussion dozens of times over the years.
It's merely ONE of the reasons womens BB is where it is.
At least mens' bodybuilding has been fair and consistent with its rule enforcement.
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
hahahaha, yes Lee if the IFBB enforced all of it's "rules" the only one on stage would be huge Jocelyn Pelletier.
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If you mean "roids" enforcement, Lee competed drug free some years ago and didn't do that bad.
i didn't mean Lee i meant every IFBB pro, Lee himself brought up that point on PBB weekly.
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If I were running the ship...NONE of that shit would have been tolerated from day 1...men or women.
This isn't anything new, I've had this discussion dozens of times over the years.
It's merely ONE of the reasons womens BB is where it is.
So this is where you go to bat for me saying how can we fine or suspend Lee while others are getting away with stuff.
THANKS BOB
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Hmmmmm, So this is interesting,. So no one in the porn industry is supposed to be allowed to compete in bodybuilding? How's the pro figure girl that does porn? Can't remember her name. This goes a little bit further than not letting girls who pose nude to compete. The rules stopped being enforced when Flex magazine realized that their mag sales went way up when they started doing nude layouts of the women. Such bullshit double standards. There is no way the can enforce this without fining themselves. ::) Denise is making big bucks and I really don't think she gives a rats ass about wether she can compete again. Although I would see a legit lawsuit if she wanted to pursue one if they ever banned or fined her.
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So this is where you go to bat for me saying how can we fine or suspend Lee while others are getting away with stuff.
THANKS BOB
It's not my call, bro...I don't make or enforce the rules. If you're saying ALL the rules should be enforced, LEE...then you're basically saying they should suspend you as well.
You're suggesting an all or nothing proposal, and they aint never going for that in a million years.
They may choose to start enforcing the "nude" rules (which I suggest they do)...but they will never NOT suspend someone for crossingg over to a rival federation.
I'll continue later...gotta go eat.
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I agree with your point about hypocrisy Lee. I hope that the PDI does well and is run in a more professional fashion.
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I agree with your point about hypocrisy Lee. I hope that the PDI does well and is run in a more professional fashion.
that's a good one!
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Which brings me to another thought:
I own a small supplement company (AtLarge Nutrition, LLC). If every person on this site who buys supplements were to support my company via purchasing from us and getting their contacts (friends and family) to do so I could begin to make a difference in bodybuilding.
Let me be clear, I do not consider myself to be a great man but I am someone with integrity and a love for FAIR competition. Much like I have already begun to do with powerlifting if my company were to grow due to bodybuilding I would pour money back into the sport. Like most of you who are reading this I very much dislike the problems that abound in the sport now. There is no need to rehash it all here; you know what the problems are.
Think of it this way, the ad budgets for some of the bigger supplement companies would be more than sufficient to start a new federation that was nicely funded.
As I have stated in the powerlifting world my goal is to build my company to the point where I can give back to the sports that support it and create a better strength sports world. I have never said this publicly, buy my ultimate goal would be to grow my company to Weider-like proportions and create new professional bodybuilding and powerlifting federations that were run free of political b.s. and the other unprofessional problems that are so manifest in strength sports today.
Why do I want to do this? Practically from the day I first started training I loved strength sports of all types and the more I have gotten to know about the inner workings of said sport I have felt really compelled to try to make a difference. When I see a bodybuilder get ill and have no way to pay his/her medical bills or when I see a powerlifter or bodybuilder have to hold a grueling full-time job while simultaneously being a top-tier athlete in their respective sport I cannot help but think what a travesty that is. These athletes and their sports help to generate supplement and gear (powerlifting gear) companies millions of dollars yet they don't have a pot to piss in. BAD DEAL!
Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know. WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.
Spam maybe, but this is how I TRULY feel and I feel compelled to say it now.
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
Your beating a dead horse here. I recall reading an article about Masino in FLEX way back when that she was going to be suspended but talked to the man in charge and made arrangements so she could compete and continue with her Muscle Elegance. You might know the guys name Wayne "I make up rules" DeMilia.
Why don't you roll over in bed and ask him about it. Better yet track down Denise and ask her, at least she won't lie to your face.
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If I were running the ship...NONE of that shit would have been tolerated from day 1...men or women.
This isn't anything new, I've had this discussion dozens of times over the years.
It's merely ONE of the reasons womens BB is where it is.
Aside from the fact that the women don't have 1/50th of the sponsorship opportunities that the men do, you are on record with your disdain of the women's sport. So spare us your pontficating on how it could flourish under your wise counsel.
You are not, in fact, running the ship. You are a mere cabin boy - bossing around the poor bastards in steerage and bringing the rich people their drinks.
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Which brings me to another thought:
I own a small supplement company (AtLarge Nutrition, LLC). If every person on this site who buys supplements were to support my company via purchasing from us and getting their contacts (friends and family) to do so I could begin to make a difference in bodybuilding.
Let me be clear, I do not consider myself to be a great man but I am someone with integrity and a love for FAIR competition. Much like I have already begun to do with powerlifting if my company were to grow due to bodybuilding I would pour money back into the sport. Like most of you who are reading this I very much dislike the problems that abound in the sport now. There is no need to rehash it all here; you know what the problems are.
Think of it this way, the ad budgets for some of the bigger supplement companies would be more than sufficient to start a new federation that was nicely funded.
As I have stated in the powerlifting world my goal is to build my company to the point where I can give back to the sports that support it and create a better strength sports world. I have never said this publicly, buy my ultimate goal would be to grow my company to Weider-like proportions and create new professional bodybuilding and powerlifting federations that were run free of political b.s. and the other unprofessional problems that are so manifest in strength sports today.
Why do I want to do this? Practically from the day I first started training I loved strength sports of all types and the more I have gotten to know about the inner workings of said sport I have felt really compelled to try to make a difference. When I see a bodybuilder get ill and have no way to pay his/her medical bills or when I see a powerlifter or bodybuilder have to hold a grueling full-time job while simultaneously being a top-tier athlete in their respective sport I cannot help but think what a travesty that it. These athletes and their sports help to generate supplement and gear (powerlifting gear)companies millions of dollars yet they don't have a pot to piss in. BAD DEAL!
Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know. WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.
Spam maybe, but this is how I TRULY feel and I feel compelled to say it now.
Man you are a sucker for punishment brother! ;D
If only guys like you controlled things... it would be way better
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Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know. WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.
I don't care about competitive bodybuilding.
I do care about the products I buy.
That said, how 'bout offering a protein powder w/o artifical sweeteners? Sucralose isn't as bad as aspartame, but you should still offer an unsweetened or a sugar or stevia sweetened version.
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They may choose to start enforcing the "nude" rules (which I suggest they do)...but they will never NOT suspend someone for crossingg over to a rival federation.
why don't you also suggest the latter (NOT suspend someone for crossingg over to a rival federation.)
since you have an athlete(s) that you claim to represent that would benefit from it?
or is not in your interest to represent the needs of the athletes?
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or is not in your interest to represent the needs of the athletes?
no it isn't in chick's interest to do this since he is aspiring to climb the AMI/IFBB totem pole...
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Which brings me to another thought:
I own a small supplement company (AtLarge Nutrition, LLC). If every person on this site who buys supplements were to support my company via purchasing from us and getting their contacts (friends and family) to do so I could begin to make a difference in bodybuilding.
Let me be clear, I do not consider myself to be a great man but I am someone with integrity and a love for FAIR competition. Much like I have already begun to do with powerlifting if my company were to grow due to bodybuilding I would pour money back into the sport. Like most of you who are reading this I very much dislike the problems that abound in the sport now. There is no need to rehash it all here; you know what the problems are.
Think of it this way, the ad budgets for some of the bigger supplement companies would be more than sufficient to start a new federation that was nicely funded.
As I have stated in the powerlifting world my goal is to build my company to the point where I can give back to the sports that support it and create a better strength sports world. I have never said this publicly, buy my ultimate goal would be to grow my company to Weider-like proportions and create new professional bodybuilding and powerlifting federations that were run free of political b.s. and the other unprofessional problems that are so manifest in strength sports today.
Why do I want to do this? Practically from the day I first started training I loved strength sports of all types and the more I have gotten to know about the inner workings of said sport I have felt really compelled to try to make a difference. When I see a bodybuilder get ill and have no way to pay his/her medical bills or when I see a powerlifter or bodybuilder have to hold a grueling full-time job while simultaneously being a top-tier athlete in their respective sport I cannot help but think what a travesty that is. These athletes and their sports help to generate supplement and gear (powerlifting gear) companies millions of dollars yet they don't have a pot to piss in. BAD DEAL!
Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know. WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.
Spam maybe, but this is how I TRULY feel and I feel compelled to say it now.
That is honestly a very nice sand admirable sentiment...
So what kind of discount can we get? ;D
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It's not my call, bro...I don't make or enforce the rules. If you're saying ALL the rules should be enforced, LEE...then you're basically saying they should suspend you as well.
You're suggesting an all or nothing proposal, and they aint never going for that in a million years.
They may choose to start enforcing the "nude" rules (which I suggest they do)...but they will never NOT suspend someone for crossingg over to a rival federation.
I'll continue later...gotta go eat.
Yes i am saying suspend me as long as others who break the rules also get suspended.
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Yes i am saying suspend me as long as others who break the rules also get suspended.
Kinda like the PBBW radio show (and hosts) which/who break the IFBB rules every single week by simply talking about bbing in a non-positive manner at least once each episode?
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Yes i am saying suspend me as long as others who break the rules also get suspended.
...and anyone else who chooses to compete in a non-sanctioned show WILL also be suspended.
They obviously don't view having a few nude photo's for sale on some chick's website as big an issue as competing/ supporting a rival federation...
Like many rules in business...they are put there by tthe company for the sole reason that they can act on it IF THEY CHOOSE TO...
Some of these rules are ridiculous, and basically, non-inforceable anyways....
As I said...these aren't my rules, and there are many I will be challenging as time goes on and times change....one step at a time.
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...and anyone else who chooses to compete in a non-sanctioned show WILL also be suspended.
They obviously don't view having a few nude photo's for sale on some chick's website as big an issue as competing/ supporting a rival federation...
Like many rules in business...they are put there by tthe company for the sole reason that they can act on it IF THEY CHOOSE TO...
Some of these rules are ridiculous, and basically, non-inforceable anyways....
As I said...these aren't my rules, and there are many I will be challenging as time goes on and times change....one step at a time.
Would you be willing to say all of this on the stand, Bob?
I mean, if you've truly got the athletes' backs, and Lee goes to court, and you were asked... you would repeat all of this on the stand under oath?
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...and anyone else who chooses to compete in a non-sanctioned show WILL also be suspended. They obviously don't view having a few nude photo's for sale on some chick's website as big an issue as competing/ supporting a rival federation... Like many rules in business...they are put there by tthe company for the sole reason that they can act on it IF THEY CHOOSE TO... Some of these rules are ridiculous, and basically, non-inforceable anyways.... As I said...these aren't my rules, and there are many I will be challenging as time goes on and times change....one step at a time.
IS THAT BECAUSE JM - JIM'S SON TAKE NUDE PICS OF WOMEN? NUDE PICS! BOB WHAT ABOUT XXX STUFF AND GIRL ON GIRL ACTION THESE GIRLS AND GUYS ARE COMPETING! NOW I COULDNT CARE WHAT THEY DO HELL IF THEY MAKE A BUCK - GOOD FOR THEM. BUT IF I AM SUSPENDED SO SHOULD THEY BE - OTHERWISE THE RULES ARE A JOKE AND DON'T GIVE ME SOME BULLSHIT REPLY AGAIN PLEASE. BUT YOU DARE COMPETE THAT IS BAD DRUGS, XXX, PORN, NUDES, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY GOOD. MMMMMMMMMM
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chick, some girls are doing some pretty sick shit out there dude...
The rules are written to protect the image of the IFBB are they not?
How does Lee competing in some other shows as well as the IFBB hurt their image?
christ arnold competed in the 1970 Mr World the DAY before the 1970 mr olympia for fucks sake! it only helped promote the show even further...
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IS THAT BECAUSE JM JIM'S SON TAKE NUDE PICS OF WOMEN? NUDE PICS BOB WHAT ABOUT XXX STUFF AND GIRL ON GIRL ACTION THESE GIRLS AND GUYS ARE COMPETING NOW I COULDNT CARE WHAT THEY DO HELL IF THEY MAKE A BUCK GOOD FOR THEM.BUT IF I AM SUSPENDED SO SHOULDTHEY BE OTHERWISE THE RULES ARE A JOKE AND DON'T GIVE ME SOME BULLSHIT REPLY AGAIN PLEASE.BUT YOU DARE COMPETE THAT IS BAD
DRUGS,XXX ,PORN ,NUDES,CRIMINAL ACTIVITY GOOD.MMMMMMMMMM
F**k web design. I should have become a pro Bber. Sounds like a fun job!
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Guys....You make posts to me like I'm the one writing the rules, or the one not enforcing them....I have NOTHING to do with it. I'm merely explaining what the IFBB may be thinking on their end.
This whole process was started by Wayne, who selectively chose to enforce what rules he wanted, and to what athletes he wanted to enforce them on. Lee, you of all people should know that... since then, now there is a prescedent for athletes to site former cases of favortism to aid in their own situation.
The one rule they have NEVER elected to NOT enforce...is the one pertaining to jumping ship. Every athlete in the history of the IFBB who has jumped, has been suspended immediately and without hesitation...THAT presedent doesn't help your situation, unfortunately.
As I stated before, If I were enforcing the rules...I would enforce them all. If they aren't going to be enforced...then GET RID OF THEM. I don't have that authority.
What they will end op doing Lee...is what you're requesting, taking everyone to task for breaking rules. If they elect to do this, it will pretty much kill off womens BB...as for the men, ther isn't that much of the porn stuff out there for it to be a concern, only a scant few would get suspended.
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F**k web design. I should have become a pro Bber. Sounds like a fun job!
Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....there is no money for LAST PLACE! ;D
Actually, you COULD become a pro BB....I know a guy that can put your name on a list..!
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Why does the IFBB take so long to take initiative?
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Perhaps you haven't been paying attention....there is no money for LAST PLACE! ;D
Actually, you COULD become a pro BB....I know a guy that can put your name on a list..!
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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Actually, you COULD become a pro BB....I know a guy that can put your name on a list..!
I've heard that the winner of the Mr Getbig competition will get a pro card. As long as the paper work is lost.
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Guys....You make posts to me like I'm the one writing the rules, or the one not enforcing them....I have NOTHING to do with it. I'm merely explaining what the IFBB may be thinking on their end.
This whole process was started by Wayne, who selectively chose to enforce what rules he wanted, and to what athletes he wanted to enforce them on. Lee, you of all people should know that... since then, now there is a prescedent for athletes to site former cases of favortism to aid in their own situation.
The one rule they have NEVER elected to NOT enforce...is the one pertaining to jumping ship. Every athlete in the history of the IFBB who has jumped, has been suspended immediately and without hesitation...THAT presedent doesn't help your situation, unfortunately.
As I stated before, If I were enforcing the rules...I would enforce them all. If they aren't going to be enforced...then GET RID OF THEM. I don't have that authority.
What they will end op doing Lee...is what you're requesting, taking everyone to task for breaking rules. If they elect to do this, it will pretty much kill off womens BB...as for the men, ther isn't that much of the porn stuff out there for it to be a concern, only a scant few would get suspended.
THERE IS THE CRIMINAL STUFF THAT BRINGS BAD LIGHT,WAYNE IS GONE NOW FROM THE IFBB SO WHY HASEN'T JIM STARTING ENFORCING THEM?.SO WHY NOT JUST HAVE ONE RULE THEN WHY ALL THE OTHERS IF THEY DON'T ENFORCE ANY?
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I've heard that the winner of the Mr Getbig competition will get a pro card. As long as the paper work is lost.
Funny you should mention that Kev....
I read the PDI's requirements and that's where the possible problem is. This is from the NABBA USA site:
""c. Official National titles are the: National Bodybuilding Championships, Junior National Bodybuilding Championships, American National Bodybuilding Championships, American Junior National Bodybuilding Championships, Natural United States Bodybuilding Championships, and Natural American Bodybuilding Championships, GetBig National Championships "
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THERE IS THE CRIMINAL STUFF THAT BRINGS BAD LIGHT,WAYNE IS GONE NOW FROM THE IFBB SO WHY HASEN'T JIM STARTING ENFORCING THEM?.SO WHY NOT JUST HAVE ONE RULE THEN WHY ALL THE OTHERS IF THEY DON'T ENFORCE ANY?
I agree.
As I said...enforce the rules. I have no problem with that.
I suppose the athletes could voice their opinion that rules are not getting enforced on other athletes, lets put it to vote at the athletes meeting/ Olympia weekend.
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I agree.
As I said...enforce the rules. I have no problem with that.
I suppose the athletes could voice their opinion that rules are not getting enforced on other athletes, lets put it to vote at the athletes meeting/ Olympia weekend.
OK I WILL BE THERE! OH I MIGHT NOT BE AN IFBB ATHLETE THEN MMMMM :)
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OK I WILL BE THERE! OH I MIGHT NOT BE AN IFBB ATHLETE THEN MMMMM :)
Not if you do porn!
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If I were running the ship...NONE of that shit would have been tolerated from day 1...men or women. This isn't anything new, I've had this discussion dozens of times over the years. It's merely ONE of the reasons womens BB is where it is.
I think those women are close to men that you could and should actually represent them too. Very disgusting and huge black eye on Bodybuilding. Now if you can get a rule where some of these fitness girls are required to do some of this stuff then I think the attendance and populartiy of the women side will increase.
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IS THAT BECAUSE JM JIM'S SON TAKE NUDE PICS OF WOMEN?
Hella good point...seems to help his girls' placings.
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Hella good point...seems to help his girls' placings.
No there is no politics involved :) yeah right.You hit the nail on the head
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No there is no politics involved :) yeah right.You hit the nail on the head
Lee,
Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?
Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.
If you could make this happen, would you?
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Lee,
Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?
Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.
If you could make this happen, would you?
hahahahaha, can you imagine Dave henry off the sauce, hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hahahahaha, can you imagine Dave henry off the sauce, hahahahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh boy hahahah that would be brutal.
He would have to go back to wearing baby GAP.
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Lee,
Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?
Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.
If you could make this happen, would you?
Yes i have always said i would not have a problem at all.I say test all of us all year round i dont care it would be fun and exciting.Then we would see who the champions are and the drug bodies are.
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Yes i have always said i would not have a problem at all.I say test all of us all year round i dont care it would be fun and exciting.Then we would see who the champions are and the drug bodies are.
Exactly.
You would own them all for sure. I would love to see it. It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.
Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.
Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah
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Exactly.
You would own them all for sure. I would love to see it. It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.
Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.
Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah
you mean Cell Tech isn't 2,463 percent better than regular creatine, Adonis?
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Exactly.
You would own them all for sure. I would love to see it. It would certainly weed out the Heinz Senors, Rodney Saint Clouds and Mark Drugdales and Phil Heaths, paving the way for real bodybuilding that the fans can actually grasp and relate to since the majority are natural and would never even think about using what the pros use.
Plus it would validate which supplements are worth a shit and which companies people should be buying from.
Muscletech would probably go bankrupt..hahhah
Adam...this has always perplexed me when it comes to competitive bodybuilders....for those that claim so much without the use of drugs....why not go to some of the natural organizations and simply CLEAN UP when it comes to the shows. A couple of years back I remember K(C)athy Unger competing in the WNBF....as well as Jose Guzman....werent they IFBB pros?? I am sure there were others....but why not go that route is beyond me....
Chick....one quick question....when it comes to a rule book...shouldnt it be followed no matter who it is or what they have done? Do they classify the rules like they do felonies? (ex: posing nude is a misdemeanor while competing in another organization a class III felony).
You keep spouting off that you dont enforce the rules....but as the "athletes represenative" you should be going to bat for them, or no?
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Adam...this has always perplexed me when it comes to competitive bodybuilders....for those that claim so much without the use of drugs....why not go to some of the natural organizations and simply CLEAN UP when it comes to the shows. A couple of years back I remember K(C)athy Unger competing in the WNBF....as well as Jose Guzman....werent they IFBB pros?? I am sure there were others....but why not go that route is beyond me....
Chick....one quick question....when it comes to a rule book...shouldnt it be followed no matter who it is or what they have done? Do they classify the rules like they do felonies? (ex: posing nude is a misdemeanor while competing in another organization a class III felony).
You keep spouting off that you dont enforce the rules....but as the "athletes represenative" you should be going to bat for them, or no?
That is Very interesting to note...
And Chick, as a representative, isn`t your job as a go between(The IFBB officials and bodybuilders) to ensure that rules are being followed?
It seems that since you don`t play by the rules yourself, you have no interest in trying to get them enforced.
At least Lee would be willing to actually follow ALL the rules and bring some kind of legitimacy to Bodybuilding. It sure needs it.
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Lee,
Do you wish that the IFBB was moved to become totally natural?
Since you say you do VERY well off of drugs, you would perhaps easily be Mr. Olympia, while your competitors would shrink off into oblivion.
If you could make this happen, would you?
This is the only way the general public is going to accept bodybuilding as a sport, not a circus freak show. Hay IFBB. Want to be taken seriously by the people who have $$$? Want to go mainstream in that you can aspire to compete with the best in the world. Do what every other major sport in the world is doing. TEST ATHLETES YEAR ROUND. It's not hurting baseball 1 bit. It makes people respect the hard work it takes to attain a world class physic, not inject it. Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much. The true genetic freaks would be back and people would pay to see that.
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Female bodybuilding has been a thorn in the side of male bodybuilding for years. In fact it is one of the main reasons much of the public disdains the entire sport. What kind of federation would allow these women to compete while also doing porn? And what kind of person continues to work with the IFBB with these kinds of ethics? The IFBB and the entire industry is morphing with the porn industry. That should be a top concern for any Athlete Rep. Chick is passing the buck like everyone else at the IFBB. The collaboration between muscle and porn will make a quick buck for the current soldiers of the industry, while destroying the sport for the rest of us for years to come.
If what Chick says is true, that the IFBB can enforce whatever rules they want to, and currently allow porn within its ranks, then it must also be true the IFBB has little respect for the morals and ethical standards of its fans across America. There is an inherent trust that fans show to the IFBB by going to their shows and buying into their industry but obviously the IFBB thinks they can abuse that trust. They must think we are all fools.
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This is the only way the general public is going to accept bodybuilding as a sport, not a circus freak show. Hay IFBB. Want to be taken seriously by the people who have $$$? Want to go mainstream in that you can aspire to compete with the best in the world. Do what every other major sport in the world is doing. TEST ATHLETES YEAR ROUND. It's not hurting baseball 1 bit. It makes people respect the hard work it takes to attain a world class physic, not inject it. Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much. The true genetic freaks would be back and people would pay to see that.
Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?
There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.
Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.
As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.
To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
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Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?
There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.
Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.
As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.
To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
You don`t know what in the fuck you are talking about. TONS AND TONS OF FANS have turned their backs on the steroid using baseball players. They had a huge ass banner for Barry Bonds ridiculing him, throwing syringes on the field and booing him. He gets no respect really from the older guys.
You don`t know shit Bob.
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As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.
How bout the fact that cause no one would use steroids to compete for the Mr. Olympia it will stop that kid somewhere out there pondering wheather or not to use juice ?? Those are the people who suffer from Steroids the most, the guys who puch themselves, no steroids in BB will mean less people in the public using anabolics... but then again thats nothing right >??
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The sponosors no longer have contracts with Bonds either.
They don`t want anything to do with him.
Bob, you are one delusional man.
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You don`t know what in the f**k you are talking about. TONS AND TONS OF FANS have turned their backs on the steroid using baseball players. They had a huge ass banner for Barry Bonds ridiculing him, throwing syringes on the field and booing him. He gets no respect really from the older guys.
You don`t know shit Bob.
The ballpark is jampacked, sells out...doesn't look to me like anyone is turning their back.
BTW, are you trying to say the idiots throwing stuff on the field DIDN'T buy tickets to get in?
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The ballpark is jampacked, sells out...doesn't look to me like anyone is turning their back.
BTW, are you trying to say the idiots throwing stuff on the field DIDN'T buy tickets to get in?
Good point...
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Steroids being investigated in Baseball has nothing to do with selling tickets, its a moral thing. Uhhhh Duhhhh
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Bonds is a dickhead. I think all the negative publicity is great. hahaha
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Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?
There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.
Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.
As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.
To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
Strange to hear an Athletes Rep concur that the public sees his industry as circus freak show. Other than that I agree with this post. Banning steroids would kill it all together. Bodybuildig should follow the Ms America model and require its members to be model citizens. That means no porn and to do something good for society. How great would it be to see a bunch of bodybuilders building homes for the homeless, or helping fix our eroded National parks, or rebuilding cities after a natural disaster, doing public service announcements that benefit animals, supporting research for muscular dystrophy or other muscle wasting diseases, encouraging our children to stay away from junk food and exercise more. How great would that be?
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All the while committing a felony by using,posessing and selling steroids. Great role model.
That wouldn't matter these days. We have celebrities and athletes, behaving badly, breaking laws and such all the time(recreational drugs, stealing, adultery, drunk driving) however when the do things for charity all is forgiven. Everyone used to think Bill Gates was a rich capitalistic pig who broke business laws left and right, but give a few million to charity and all is forgiven.
Same with most filthy rich business men the public knows they break laws all the time but as long as they give back the public will forgive their indiscretions past and present.
I am not saying this is morally right but if that is how the game is played then why shouldn't bodybuilding learn from it.
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That said, how 'bout offering a protein powder w/o artifical sweeteners? Sucralose isn't as bad as aspartame, but you should still offer an unsweetened or a sugar or stevia sweetened version.
trueprotein.com
I buy all my protein there specifically because I can get it without any sweetener.
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Chick how do you get your steroids? Is it legal ? I sure as hell know it aint all Egg Whites International
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There should be a rule that Mandy Blank have to do hardcore scenes.
And that jennifer girl too. Too bad there isn't NPC rules discussed. I know a few rules I'd liked to have implemented regarding some female Getbiggers.
YIP
Zack
hmmm..Mandy Blank doing hardcore scenes? I'd buy her collections
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Chick how do you get your steroids? Is it legal ? I sure as hell know it aint all Egg Whites International
*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
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Yo! Wasn't it you who referred to the fans as the "peanut gallery"? You are even MORE blind than I realized. That last shot must have done you in. Taking the drugs out of the sport would change everything! The fans would see REAL bodybuilders and not pumped up steroid monsters 2 steps away from a death bed.
You can't have it both ways. That is UNLESS you're the IFBB or one of it's cronies. The rules state and I'm paraphrasing here: to do all that is possible to ensure the athletes compete fairly and not use performance enhancement substances. We all know they're not talking about Weider powder. They're talking about controlled substances which are illegal to possess much less use if not by perscription. Plain and simple. Didn't they teach you anything as a sheriff? Oh I forgot. You quit. Was it because bodybuilding/doping was more important or were you going to fail a urine test so you beat them to it?
What an arrogant pissant you are to assume the IFBB is the bodybuilding universe. There's a whole world out there full of natural bodybuilders and organizations who litterally laugh at the IFBB and their athletes. There are plenty of fans that go to natty shows. MORE so than IFBB fans. Don't believe me? Show up at one. Nah, you'll never do that. That would be admitting there is a whole other world out there and then you'd realize you're just a small fish in a pond and not the whale you think you are. I just love kodak moments don't you. Oh and yes bob, I know you're from Rochester, but the kodak I'm talking about ain't that.
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Bob, you have plenty of power as do the collective of the professional bodybuilders. If you all agreed on changes and wouldn't compete unless those changes were done then you might see a different scene.
In 1980 many of the competitors felt the Olympia was fixed. There was talk about a boycott of the next Olympia but enough guys competed and that was the last time anyone boycotted major contests. All that happened was that weaker guys won instead of guys who were next in line. The psychology is always the same for a subjective sport. It doesn't pay to stand out or go against the majority. Anyone who does risks placing low or out of the money.
You insist that Lee will be suspended if he competes in the NOC. Lee has a point and he has nailed you to the wall with his logic. You should be getting the professional guys onside and forging a new IFBB. The lads here clearly see that your role is that of a busboy and you are more of a company than union man. Matter of fact I think you have a conflict of interests. We do owe you a debt for reinforcing what the IFBB says. By the way, who is the IFBB? Are you saying that it is Manion?
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Bodybuilding in general is considered a "circus freak show"...are you trying to say that the general public would all of a sudden become interested if it was LESS of a freak show?
There have been Natural show's for years, drug tested, etc...They don't even appeal the the bodybuilding fans, let alone the general public.
Speaking of baseball....when WAS baseball hurting? When Sosa and Mac were battling for the homerun title? When the "bash bros." were lighting up the HR scoreboard? When this whole steroid scandle broke out? The fans have NEVER stopped going to games or buying merchandise,the sponsors have never pulled the advertising dollars because they think there is a steroid problem...and the fans could generally give a shit, they are looking to see a good game, competition, and home runs...they have no vested interest in what the players are taking or not taking.
As you stated, "Take the drugs out, put everyone on an even playing field and I'd bet the top ten wouldn't change that much."....EXACTLY. Nothing changes.
To think that by drug testing, droves of fans would suddenly start to take an interest in a sport they have no interest in anyway, is ridiculous...
What I'm saying Chick is that if the ticket buying public knew that the competitors were drug free and we're not talking some local natural show, we're talking the Mr. Olympia, the top show with the top bodybuilders in the world. Let the world know that these athletes achieved their physics with hard work, good genes and proper, healthful dieting, then, maby then professional bodybuilding will be accepted as fan friendly wholesome family entertainment that fans would flock to. Imagine how many people just out of curiosity would attend to see how many of the old school are still doing it and how they look without a boatload of drugs pumping through their body's? I know more than a few fans that would really like to see top level professional bodybuilding, without knowing Ronnie will be the biggest and Jay will be #2 same old shit. Is the sport that complacent that it can rest on it's laurels and keep it status quo? The Feds, sooner or later will mandate. Why don't you beat them to it?
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
Well thats the problem, unlike many pros, regular people dont have ..how do you say...recommended doctors to go to for thier legal prescription of AAS. They ussually resort to the duchebags like Greg Anderson or the Local Juice head at the gym.
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
actually you'd need about a dozen doctors, as prescribing more than a reasonable therapeutic dose could get the doctor in trouble with the medical board, if not the DEA. and that would be doctor shopping on your part, which is still illegal.
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Well thats the problem, unlike many pros, regular people dont have ..how do you say...recommended doctors to go to for thier legal prescription of AAS. They ussually resort to the duchebags like Greg Anderson or the Local Juice head at the gym.
it sounds like most IFBB pro's are natural...ha,ha,ha,ha ;D
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The Feds, sooner or later will mandate. Why don't you beat them to it?
if the feds were to step in, its more likely the top contests would simply move to other countries.
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
& we believe that one Chick. ;)
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
So the Masters World champion was a Natural ??? that was in April wanst it ???
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Yo! Wasn't it you who referred to the fans as the "peanut gallery"? You are even MORE blind than I realized. That last shot must have done you in. Taking the drugs out of the sport would change everything! The fans would see REAL bodybuilders and not pumped up steroid monsters 2 steps away from a death bed.
You can't have it both ways. That is UNLESS you're the IFBB or one of it's cronies. The rules state and I'm paraphrasing here: to do all that is possible to ensure the athletes compete fairly and not use performance enhancement substances. We all know they're not talking about Weider powder. They're talking about controlled substances which are illegal to possess much less use if not by perscription. Plain and simple. Didn't they teach you anything as a sheriff? Oh I forgot. You quit. Was it because bodybuilding/doping was more important or were you going to fail a urine test so you beat them to it?
What an arrogant pissant you are to assume the IFBB is the bodybuilding universe. There's a whole world out there full of natural bodybuilders and organizations who litterally laugh at the IFBB and their athletes. There are plenty of fans that go to natty shows. MORE so than IFBB fans. Don't believe me? Show up at one. Nah, you'll never do that. That would be admitting there is a whole other world out there and then you'd realize you're just a small fish in a pond and not the whale you think you are. I just love kodak moments don't you. Oh and yes bob, I know you're from Rochester, but the kodak I'm talking about ain't that.
No, clueless idiots like yourself were referred to as the "peanut Gallery"...justfied by your continued posts.
The only urine tests that were given, were from the police academy...which anyone who didn't pass, would have been excluded before ever starting, genius...
I've been to plenty of Natural shows, and know many natural athletes that THEMSELVES, admit that the interest is next to zero...nothing but friends and family in attendance. The public chooses who they wish to support, and what federations...not me.
Great, you know I'm from Rochester...congratulati ons!
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
This has always interested me, how does someone go about finding a doctor that is willing to prescribe steroids? And how much extra does it cost. Does such a doctor require say $3,000 extra a month on top of his typical fees?
Also, is it worth the extra money to know that the drugs are legal?
Hypothetically speaking of course.
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Bob, you have plenty of power as do the collective of the professional bodybuilders. If you all agreed on changes and wouldn't compete unless those changes were done then you might see a different scene.
In 1980 many of the competitors felt the Olympia was fixed. There was talk about a boycott of the next Olympia but enough guys competed and that was the last time anyone boycotted major contests. All that happened was that weaker guys won instead of guys who were next in line. The psychology is always the same for a subjective sport. It doesn't pay to stand out or go against the majority. Anyone who does risks placing low or out of the money.
You insist that Lee will be suspended if he competes in the NOC. Lee has a point and he has nailed you to the wall with his logic. You should be getting the professional guys onside and forging a new IFBB. The lads here clearly see that your role is that of a busboy and you are more of a company than union man. Matter of fact I think you have a conflict of interests. We do owe you a debt for reinforcing what the IFBB says. By the way, who is the IFBB? Are you saying that it is Manion?
Sorry Vince, things have changed a bit from 1970...as I've stated before, you're out of the loop and prove it by your posts.
Just what did lee "nail me to the wall" with? I don't make the rules...I explain them.
Stick with those neat little stories you like to tell...
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
I swear to god I was eating my Cheerios and one came out of my nose with milk. I swear I laughed so hard I almost choked. I swear Chic, you are one funny guy today. That's another reason why I like you. Man that was funny
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No, clueless idiots like yourself were referred to as the "peanut Gallery"...justfied by your continued posts.
The only urine tests that were given, were from the police academy...which anyone who didn't pass, would have been excluded before ever starting, genius...
I've been to plenty of Natural shows, and know many natural athletes that THEMSELVES, admit that the interest is next to zero...nothing but friends and family in attendance. The public chooses who they wish to support, and what federations...not me.
Great, you know I'm from Rochester...congratulati ons!
I post because I'm an insider fan of bodybuilding, not a bob fan. Oh are you saying that as LEO, you weren't subject to random urinanalysis. Next thing you know you'll try to debate me on the merits of a Terry stop.
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I post because I'm an insider fan of bodybuilding, not a bob fan. Oh are you saying that as LEO, you weren't subject to random urinanalysis. Next thing you know you'll try to debate me on the merits of a Terry stop.
What the hell are you talking about??
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Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.
So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy :).
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Lee you will have a good chance in court
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Lee you will have a good chance in court
IF THE IFBB EVEN GET THAT FAR.
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IF THE IFBB EVEN GET THAT FAR.
True they could always settle, which is what I would do if I were them to cut the losses...mabey like a 1 million dollar settlement ?
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True they could always settle, which is what I would do if I were them to cut the losses...mabey like a 1 million dollar settlement ?
I would take a dollar just to prove a point about thier rules.
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Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.
So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy :).
You have mine and ALL the real fans support. Anything we can do to help?
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I would take a dollar just to prove a point about thier rules.
and a declaration that the IFBB "will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".
Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before. (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement)
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and a declaration that "the IFBB will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".
Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before. (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement)
;D
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Just read the new MD with Ramano interviewing Denise Masino.Ok Bob go read that and tell me why the rules aren't upheld there.Read ut first then give me your opinion.I have nothing against Denise or any other girl doiong the nudes or XXX videos,or girl on girl action but the rules do state..........Don't they Bob and we know how the IFBB is a stickler for the RULES. ;D
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Yo Bob. I read your posts and i honestly feel bad for you sometimes. Man you get slammed all the time. Its no suprise that im a big Priest supporter but it still hard to read all the attacks.
ALL OR NOTHING WITH THE RULES. I know you dont make em though
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and a declaration that the IFBB "will not impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or punish or threaten to impose any sanctions upon or otherwise penalize or interfere in any way with any persons on account of that persons' participation in any physique contest" sanctioned by another organization, "whether such person participates as an athlete, a promoter, or a sponsor".
Manion shouldn't have a problem with that, as he's agreed to it before. (http://www.musclememory.com/wiki/index.php?title=NPC_AAU_Settlement)
Damn straight the IFBB would lose in court...
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Listen all i am am saying is if i get suspended.Which i have no problem with if i am breaking the rules then all who break them should also be be suspended or fined.They can't be subjective and pick and choose.Why even have the rules then?I have been in the pros now for 13 years and never once had a drug test for steroids,diuretics yes.Even at that show they tested for clenbuterol and i forgot and took it up to the show and still passed(so i am guessing the test wasnt real).The whole porn shit,ciminal activity and the other crap seems far worse to me then competing in another federation to make extra money while you can.It's the fear tactics the IFBB use that is why more haven't gone over.What would a guy who has been competing in the IFBB for years never made a dollar have to loose by going over? contract maybe,pic in flex or muscle and fitness,It's crazy the shit the IFBB will pull to scare the athletes and sponsors not to go to the PDI.
So enforce or the rules or get rid of them.Suspend me and we will have our day in court if the IFBB lets it get that far.I have the time and backing.That's right i will not back down so bring it .The books will open all will come out and what a fun time it will be.So who ever reads this go tell the IFBB or if the people involved read this good.I am not going anywhere your scare tactics are nothing to me.Everything is being set in motion as the time approaches the IFBB will have more press and tv time then ever before.Always good to have god friends in the news buisness always comes in handy :).
vote for lee ;D
Lee mate, you've hit the nail on its head!
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Lee this is black and white to me....Just do what Cutler did...He got a lawyer and they backed down, plain and simple...Just shows you how stupid Shawn Ray was...A simple lawyer would have won it for him...
The IFBB would have to show that they enforce ALL rules period...They state that one can't use hormones right? But don't do anything to test for them...
My advice to you is complete in the PDI show, Spell your name different on the contract by one letter and state that it wasn't you that competed....Have them prove you wrong...By that time the olympia will be well over...
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The battle Lee would have, is that the rule he would be contesting HAS been enforced...each and every time it's come up, without question and without exception...
whether or not other rules, not pertaining to THIS rule, were ever enforced or not...would be irrelevant to this case.
He would have to prove that someone else wasn't suspended for breaking the same rule, dating back to whenever the rule was put into place.
All the power to him...
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The battle Lee would have, is that the rule he would be contesting HAS been enforced...each and every time it's come up, without question and without exception...
whether or not other rules, not pertaining to THIS rule, were ever enforced or not...would be irrelevant to this case.
He would have to prove that someone else wasn't suspended for breaking the same rule, dating back to whenever the rule was put into place.
All the power to him...
I got a question, how's King Kamali doing bro? And how's his prep going for his show
Thanks
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I got a question, how's King Kamali doing bro? And how's his prep going for his show
Thanks
Just talked to King earlier today...he's doing fine and looking to come in lighter than the NY Pro. He's made some adjustments to his training style, and also to his last 48 prep.
We'll see if the changes pay off with his best conditioning since the 2001 I.M., If he can achieve that, no question he'll qualify for the "O".
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First of all - some issues here...
Nudes of figure and fitness competitors - don't even bring that here. These are awesome, but they are certainly not breaking the rules. I don't want to hear that. In this day and age, where actresses, and many other people are less conservative about their bodys and proud of them, posing for pics, aka topless, completely nude, or provactive is cool. Jeez - have you never been in Europe before guys?
As for all of the rules or none of the rules - get real. We have gone through this before.
There is a simple rule - you cant be with two federations at the same time. When you agree to get your IFBB Pro card, that is the rules. It is the biggest rule.
Everyone breaks or violates rules whereever they are. Take driving - you generally do a rollover stop on a Stop Sign, or break the speed limit. Cops don't generally rush and give you a ticket. But we all know what will generate a ticket. Running a red light in cross traffic. Hell - we all know what it will take to get that ticket.
Lee - you are entertaining, trying to change things, but you can't be in two federations at the same time. Just like in college, we couldnt be in the fraternities. You and others wish you can compete in many places, but it isnt happening. Not this year, not this time.
In the future - perhaps. But not know. Enjoy the PDI - Wayne is a good guy, and his show should be interesting. But you will be suspended.
As for Chick- get off his back guys. Debate him, or myself - but when you can't handle it anymore, you resort to malicious stuff.
At least Lee debates and stands up. Respect for all guys.
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Nudes of figure and fitness competitors - don't even bring that here.
I don't think nudes is the issue as much as sex on film. Oh and prostitution.
Lee - you are entertaining, trying to change things, but you can't be in two federations at the same time.
the IFBB is not a federation and neither is the PDI. Both are privately held companies. Athletes are not employees of those companies. Athletes sign a contract to do each show.
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I don't think nudes is the issue as much as sex on film. Oh and prostitution.
the IFBB is not a federation and neither is the PDI. Both are privately held companies. Athletes are not employees of those companies. Athletes sign a contract to do each show.
so does the ifbb have tax free status tim?
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I don't think nudes is the issue as much as sex on film. Oh and prostitution.
the IFBB is not a federation and neither is the PDI. Both are privately held companies. Athletes are not employees of those companies. Athletes sign a contract to do each show.
The IFBB is a federation (sports) that has shareholders in which the Weiders were majority stock holders. They control everything or did. They are registered in Canada as a not for profit company. The PDI is a corporation where Wayne and Charles Blake are the controlling interests. They are bascially controlled and operated like any other partnersthat come together to form a company and make it a corporation sub s or sub c. They are required to pay taxes like any other corporation. The IFBB does have different laws to follow than the PDI cause it is a federation. The name International Federation of Body Builders is a federation that has to adhere to certain laws and abide by them to retain it's status. I am pretty sure the IOC when talking to Weider years ago about being part of the Olympics or whatever thought the IFBB adhered to their rules and regulations they have in their charter. I have been told the exact distinction between the two but forgot the exact details but I do remember one of them had to do with drug testing. I will get the details and try to post the difference.
I am sure half the shit I wrote is mixed up but in short the IFBB is completely different than the PDI the way it has been put together.
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I wonder what makes Bob so confident that he is in the loop and I am passe? Well, Bob, bring it on. Debate the issues instead of attacking me. That is all you are doing. You debate bugger all and come up with the same crap all the time. Why should you have to interpret the rules for the other professionals? Are they that dumb? No, you tell them what the deal is because that is what your job is. You might not like being called a patsy but that is exactly what you and all the rest in the IFBB officials are. Or am I mistaken here? Yeah, that is what it is, I am mistaken and the IFBB is a great organization that is giving the lads a platform to success.
I can honestly state that as an IFBB champion that organization has done zero for me. Nothing. Not a thing. I don't expect it to, either because the title was all we wanted and the IFBB just happened to be the only organization operating in Canada then.
Let us talk about the posedown. How come you competitors put up with that crap? Or are you going to tell me it is a necessary part of contests? It is guys like you that make me distance myself from this silly sport. It has always been associated with big headed egos or plain unsavoury guys who promote contests. Nothing has changed from where I am and they recruit the necessary stooges who do what they are told.
I say no thanks to any organization with a life president. Or is there nothing you can do about that position? Your being a rep for the professionals is a joke. You have no idea at all about how to effect real change that will benefit the sport. Oh, maybe you are one of the best for the job, but I would vote for Lee over guys like you because he wants to do things now and not have to consult guys who seem not to give a damn about bodybuilders. That is what you cannot deny here. The IFBB is passe. They are out of touch. If you endorse what they say then you are blind and no wonder the sport is not growing.
Bring on anyone who can do a better job for the competitors and the fans.
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I wonder what makes Bob so confident that he is in the loop and I am passe? Well, Bob, bring it on. Debate the issues instead of attacking me. That is all you are doing. You debate bugger all and come up with the same crap all the time. Why should you have to interpret the rules for the other professionals? Are they that dumb? No, you tell them what the deal is because that is what your job is. You might not like being called a patsy but that is exactly what you and all the rest in the IFBB officials are. Or am I mistaken here? Yeah, that is what it is, I am mistaken and the IFBB is a great organization that is giving the lads a platform to success.
I can honestly state that as an IFBB champion that organization has done zero for me. Nothing. Not a thing. I don't expect it to, either because the title was all we wanted and the IFBB just happened to be the only organization operating in Canada then.
Let us talk about the posedown. How come you competitors put up with that crap? Or are you going to tell me it is a necessary part of contests? It is guys like you that make me distance myself from this silly sport. It has always been associated with big headed egos or plain unsavoury guys who promote contests. Nothing has changed from where I am and they recruit the necessary stooges who do what they are told.
I say no thanks to any organization with a life president. Or is there nothing you can do about that position? Your being a rep for the professionals is a joke. You have no idea at all about how to effect real change that will benefit the sport. Oh, maybe you are one of the best for the job, but I would vote for Lee over guys like you because he wants to do things now and not have to consult guys who seem not to give a damn about bodybuilders. That is what you cannot deny here. The IFBB is passe. They are out of touch. If you endorse what they say then you are blind and no wonder the sport is not growing.
Bring on anyone who can do a better job for the competitors and the fans.
The funny I like to see Bob write to you Vince is how this is 2006 and not the 70's. From what I can see and most others is that the IFBB has not changed that much except for going backwards. Other than the prize money being raised what has changed. There still is no insurance (Chic said there is but no proof has ever been presented), he said he was the one that got the prize money raised for the Olympia but in fact it was the money from the challenge round used and only $6,000 or so was raised. The judging is still corrupt, they still don't follow the rules. What has changed. I also found it interesting that IFBB pros checks bounced, yet instead of defending them and getting them there money and the money lost from bad fees and etc. he came on and posted something from the bank that I called BS and wanted to see the actual document which never happened.
It is so easy to tell that half of what Chic puts in his posts are not his thoughts. There is no way he can answer so manyquestions in such detail without coaching. I am pretty sure Manion and/or some other IFBB official is giving him allot of help. The quick outbursts are him for sure, but the educated detailed responses are no way just him. I still love ya Chic but I just need to drill it into your headyou are backing a bad team. And all that does it make you look worse and worse. Just look at your appeal ratings since you became the IFBB mouthpiece. But I'll still take you to dinner at the Olympia.
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Sorry Vince, things have changed a bit from 1970...as I've stated before, you're out of the loop and prove it by your posts.
Just what did lee "nail me to the wall" with? I don't make the rules...I explain them.
Stick with those neat little stories you like to tell...
like my favorite about the pinch machine!!!
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You know, Keith, Bob is the perfect guy for the job as Weider rep. He certainly isn't the competitors rep because he dismissed Lee and refused to go to bat for him except to tell Lee to put it in writing and Bob will present it at the next general meeting. What a great help he is to Lee. I don't think Bob is the equal of some of those top professionals but he exceeds them in his ability to be an assistant to the manager.
When I was a kid growing up in Kamloops my Dad had to bring up 7 kids on his own. So he battled away as section man and then later as a janitor for the CNR. What he said must have affected us because we always thought we weren't as good as the rest of the people in that town. My dad owned his house with no mortgage and had a 9 acre farm with fruit trees. Heck, he was richer than 90% of those hypocrites. Sure he rode an old bicycle around to pick up groceries and we were embarrassed out of our minds to be seen with that bike. We would go down alleys and all sorts of short cuts to avoid being seen by someone we knew. Dad would phone home to get someone to bring that bike. Somehow when we picked up the phone he would say, "Hallo, John?" As soon as we heard that we told him to wait and went to fetch John. We scooted outside to avoid being bashed by John who was older and stronger than we were. You could hear him cussing at us from 3 doors away!
Well, to Dad the most important person in town, after the bank manager and the foreman at his work, was the supermarket manager. That guy could give him his money back for bad produce, etc. When I grew up there was a job advertised in the Vancouver sun. It read, "Wanted, assistants to the manager who will replace those who didn't want to work." I thought that must be a great job until I read it a bit closer. It wasn't a job for an assistant manager but for an assistant TO the manager. I have a funny feeling that our Bob Chick is another one of those guys who thought his job was an assistant manager in the IFBB. The sad truth is he is the assistant to the assistant manager! I suppose we should back off and help polish Bob's armour because he is getting a hiding on these forums. You gotta love the way he has memorized the company code and rules. I wonder if he is going to get some service citation for services to the sport of bodybuilding? If he does I hope he is aptly honoured here on Getbig and not bagged by the onlookers and wannabes who hang out here instead of in the gym.
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You know, Keith, Bob is the perfect guy for the job as Weider rep. He certainly isn't the competitors rep because he dismissed Lee and refused to go to bat for him except to tell Lee to put it in writing and Bob will present it at the next general meeting. What a great help he is to Lee. I don't think Bob is the equal of some of those top professionals but he exceeds them in his ability to be an assistant to the manager.
When I was a kid growing up in Kamloops my Dad had to bring up 7 kids on his own. So he battled away as section man and then later as a janitor for the CNR. What he said must have affected us because we always thought we weren't as good as the rest of the people in that town. My dad owned his house with no and had a 9 acre farm with fruit trees. Heck, he was richer than 90% of those hypocrites. Sure he rode an old bicycle around to pick up groceries and we were embarrassed out of our minds to be seen with that bike. We would go down alleys and all sorts of short cuts to avoid being seen by someone we knew. Dad would phone home to get someone to bring that bike. Somehow when we picked up the phone he would say, "Hallo, John?" As soon as we heard that we told him to wait and went to fetch John. We scooted outside to avoid being bashed by John who was older and stronger than we were. You could hear him cussing at us from 3 doors away!
Well, to Dad the most important person in town, after the bank manager and the foreman at his work, was the supermarket manager. That guy could give him his money back for bad produce, etc. When I grew up there was a job advertised in the Vancouver sun. It read, "Wanted, assistants to the manager who will replace those who didn't want to work." I thought that must be a great job until I read it a bit closer. It wasn't a job for an assistant manager but for an assistant TO the manager. I have a funny feeling that our Bob Chick is another one of those guys who thought his job was an assistant manager in the IFBB. The sad truth is he is the assistant to the assistant manager! I suppose we should back off and help polish Bob's armour because he is getting a hiding on these forums. You gotta love the way he has memorized the company code and rules. I wonder if he is going to get some service citation for services to the sport of bodybuilding? If he does I hope he is aptly honoured here on Getbig and not bagged by the onlookers and wannabes who hang out here instead of in the gym.
you probably could have made your point without 95% of this statement
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I say no thanks to any organization with a life president. Or is there nothing you can do about that position? Your being a rep for the professionals is a joke. You have no idea at all about how to effect real change that will benefit the sport. Oh, maybe you are one of the best for the job, but I would vote for Lee over guys like you because he wants to do things now and not have to consult guys who seem not to give a damn about bodybuilders. That is what you cannot deny here. The IFBB is passe. They are out of touch. If you endorse what they say then you are blind and no wonder the sport is not growing.
Bring on anyone who can do a better job for the competitors and the fans.
Perhaps Chick needs to watch the great classic movie "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". A tale of a naive do-gooder (Jimmy Stewart) unaware of how he has been implicated in a political scheme to be a rubber stamp for crooked leaders in Washington.
Chick was the perfect choice to become Athletes Rep, he was an honest guy with an honest image. He was viewed as a guy who won't disturb the machine, a yes-man that wouldn't conflict with the crooked rules or ask any embarrassing questions. His clean image would help the IFBB's image while his naivette would make him malleable to the corrupt machine that it really is.
But Jimmy Stewarts character comes to an epiphany and eventually does the right thing. Maybe its time Chick rent the movie.
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Bob, you are the athletes representative and Lee is an IFBB athlete, isn't it your responsibility to stand up for him and say that if you suspend one of the men athletes for breaking a rule then you have to start suspending others [male and female]. I don't understand why Lee should take anything up with Betty because she is not his representative you are. Please, don't think I am attacking you because I realize you have done a lot for the sport and the athletes but are the stands you take for only all the athletes or can a single athlete ask you to sit down at a table with the suits and represent him on a issue such as Lees. You may not agree with his decision but it is his to make and as his representative shouldn't you support him and help him. I'm just trying to understand this athlete representative thing. It seems to me that you only go to bat if everyone can benefit. I may be a bit confused because I am a member of a union and I realize that bodybuilding does not have one, but if I ask my union representative to support me on something then it is his job to do so. He may tell me upfront that we aren't going to get anywhere but he'll fight for me. Our union has a standard agreement just like the IFBB has a rule book if a member of our union breaks a rule the union representative helps the member resolve the problem and if the company breaks a rule the representative confronts them. The way I see it is that all the athletes are breaking rules but the IFBB is just as guilty as they are for not enforcing the rules that seems like a double negative to me. Well just thought I would chime in, as you can see I don't post much but I follow the sport closely. I'm not trying to offend anyone just trying to understand.
Thanks for your time.
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Bob, as the Athletes rep has done as much as he can. As long as Lee is only one voice shouting in the cold, Bob can't take a unified vote to the hierarchy to get change. Even a true Union rep can't do anymore then warn one individual that his actions will result in disciplinary actions.
Maybe Lee should take his case "to the people" to get some support for his cause and give Bob a hammer to swing with, but that would involve commitment and work on Lee's part.
Lee's entire history shows a fear of commitment both professionally and personally. Being a rebel is one thing, but Lee thrives on the attention it brings.
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My prediction is that *very soon*, the IFBB camp will be gagged on the boards.
Chick has already admitted numerous times that the rule enforcement is inconsistent and selective.
Lee's camp is serious as a heart attack about this lawsuit - they WANT it. Already generating media attention for it- and Lee is just made for short-term TV with that look. The IFBB does not and will not let this go to trial. There are too many people with axes to grind from years past that would love to come fwd with info to discredit the IFBB. Chick, I know you like to shout from the rooftops that the IFBB welcomes the fight, but you're crazy if you seriously believe that...
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Lee,
You must have talked to a Lawyer by now. What exact grounds are you going to base your case on?
I understand your claims of the rules being selectively enforced, but I would love to hear what your Lawyers terminology for the suit will be.
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Bob, as the Athletes rep has done as much as he can. As long as Lee is only one voice shouting in the cold, Bob can't take a unified vote to the hierarchy to get change. Even a true Union rep can't do anymore then warn one individual that his actions will result in disciplinary actions.
Maybe Lee should take his case "to the people" to get some support for his cause and give Bob a hammer to swing with, but that would involve commitment and work on Lee's part.
Lee's entire history shows a fear of commitment both professionally and personally. Being a rebel is one thing, but Lee thrives on the attention it brings.
Well said.
The difference in this situation is simple. I can't submit a proposal to change the rules so that LEE can compete in different federations. The follow up question is "Then why don't you submit it for ALL pro's?" Another simple answer...no other pro has expressed an interest, not a few, not a handful...NONE.
As for representing Lee, I represent the Athletes as a group. This is NOT a union, nor am I a Union Rep...I tried organizing one, as you heard Lee say on PBBW...he was " Too busy putting on protan" to attend the meeting...Thats right folks, too busy doing for HIMSELF to bother with showing up for the greattor Good of his fellow athletes, much the same as the other athletes are doing now...LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES.
Apparently, when it serves Lee's agenda everyone should "go to bat" for him,when he had a chance to make a difference and be heard...he didn't care to support the cause.
His best chance is to do what I suggested...try and get as much support from his fellow athletes to get this rule changed, As I've already stated...I have no problem with putting it to vote at the next Athletes meeting.
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As usual, couldn't be more wrong...nobody is shutting me up, nobody has asked. I call it the way I see it. They have selected to enforce some rules...THAT'S THEIR RIGHT, as it states in the rulebook.
Lee would have a great case if he was actually being restricted from going to another federation..he's not. He is free to go anywhere he wishes.
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I'm not a union rep (as stated above) nor a lawyer...I can go to bat for an athlete on particular situations or in a unusual circumstance. The Don Long case for example...I did what I could, working with the suits, to even make it possible for him to compete. Without my intervention, I believe the IFBB would have simply said no, and been done with it. I personally don't think Don should compete, but my personal opinion is irrelevant. As the rep, I went to bat for Don as much as I could...
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Great story...keep 'em coming! You get back to Kamloops much?
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First of all - some issues here...
Nudes of figure and fitness competitors - don't even bring that here. These are awesome, but they are certainly not breaking the rules. I don't want to hear that. In this day and age, where actresses, and many other people are less conservative about their bodys and proud of them, posing for pics, aka topless, completely nude, or provactive is cool. Jeez - have you never been in Europe before guys?
As for all of the rules or none of the rules - get real. We have gone through this before.
There is a simple rule - you cant be with two federations at the same time. When you agree to get your IFBB Pro card, that is the rules. It is the biggest rule.
Everyone breaks or violates rules whereever they are. Take driving - you generally do a rollover stop on a Stop Sign, or break the speed limit. Cops don't generally rush and give you a ticket. But we all know what will generate a ticket. Running a red light in cross traffic. Hell - we all know what it will take to get that ticket.
Lee - you are entertaining, trying to change things, but you can't be in two federations at the same time. Just like in college, we couldnt be in the fraternities. You and others wish you can compete in many places, but it isnt happening. Not this year, not this time.
In the future - perhaps. But not know. Enjoy the PDI - Wayne is a good guy, and his show should be interesting. But you will be suspended.
As for Chick- get off his back guys. Debate him, or myself - but when you can't handle it anymore, you resort to malicious stuff.
At least Lee debates and stands up. Respect for all guys.
Anita Gandol was suspended for posing in Playboy and those pics were NO different than what is in Flex mag right now. In fact they were more tame.
"There is a simple rule - you cant be with two federations at the same time. When you agree to get your IFBB Pro card, that is the rules. It is the biggest rule.
Everyone breaks or violates rules whereever they are. Take driving - you generally do a rollover stop on a Stop Sign, or break the speed limit. Cops don't generally rush and give you a ticket. But we all know what will generate a ticket. Running a red light in cross traffic. Hell - we all know what it will take to get that ticket"
Why can't he compete in two different shows?? I don't see why it is such a big deal. The IFBB had always tried to control their members unfairly. Your analogy about speeding or running a stop sign is a bad one Ron. This is a bodybuilding show where policies may be broken not laws.
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The dumbest part about this entire thing is that Lee wants all the rules enforced and everyday he willingly breaks them.
This is hypocrisy at its best!
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Does Lee want to come back to the IFBB exclusively or does he feel he and all athletes should be able to switch back and forth?
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First of all - some issues here...
Nudes of figure and fitness competitors - don't even bring that here. These are awesome, but they are certainly not breaking the rules. I don't want to hear that. In this day and age, where actresses, and many other people are less conservative about their bodys and proud of them, posing for pics, aka topless, completely nude, or provactive is cool. Jeez - have you never been in Europe before guys?
As for all of the rules or none of the rules - get real. We have gone through this before.
There is a simple rule - you cant be with two federations at the same time. When you agree to get your IFBB Pro card, that is the rules. It is the biggest rule.
Everyone breaks or violates rules whereever they are. Take driving - you generally do a rollover stop on a Stop Sign, or break the speed limit. Cops don't generally rush and give you a ticket. But we all know what will generate a ticket. Running a red light in cross traffic. Hell - we all know what it will take to get that ticket.
Lee - you are entertaining, trying to change things, but you can't be in two federations at the same time. Just like in college, we couldnt be in the fraternities. You and others wish you can compete in many places, but it isnt happening. Not this year, not this time.
In the future - perhaps. But not know. Enjoy the PDI - Wayne is a good guy, and his show should be interesting. But you will be suspended.
As for Chick- get off his back guys. Debate him, or myself - but when you can't handle it anymore, you resort to malicious stuff.
At least Lee debates and stands up. Respect for all guys.
Ron the pic and all might be nice but it to just like the others rules are in the rules.So when the girls and guys like you said sign the IFBB card they agree to abide by them.Sorry Ron rules are rules and they all signed just like me.You pervert :)
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In this day and age, where actresses, and many other people are less conservative about their bodys...
You say that as if it is progress.
Even if it is true that doesn't automatically make it right for IFBB athletes to do porn or soft porn while representing the IFBB.
Why is the IFBB so permissvie and liberal with their athletes in some areas and like facists neo cons in others?
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Well said.
The difference in this situation is simple. I can't submit a proposal to change the rules so that LEE can compete in different federations. The follow up question is "Then why don't you submit it for ALL pro's?" Another simple answer...no other pro has expressed an interest, not a few, not a handful...NONE.
As for representing Lee, I represent the Athletes as a group. This is NOT a union, nor am I a Union Rep...I tried organizing one, as you heard Lee say on PBBW...he was " Too busy putting on protan" to attend the meeting...Thats right folks, too busy doing for HIMSELF to bother with showing up for the greattor Good of his fellow athletes, much the same as the other athletes are doing now...LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES.
Apparently, when it serves Lee's agenda everyone should "go to bat" for him,when he had a chance to make a difference and be heard...he didn't care to support the cause.
His best chance is to do what I suggested...try and get as much support from his fellow athletes to get this rule changed, As I've already stated...I have no problem with putting it to vote at the next Athletes meeting.
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As usual, couldn't be more wrong...nobody is shutting me up, nobody has asked. I call it the way I see it. They have selected to enforce some rules...THAT'S THEIR RIGHT, as it states in the rulebook.
Lee would have a great case if he was actually being restricted from going to another federation..he's not. He is free to go anywhere he wishes.
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I'm not a union rep (as stated above) nor a lawyer...I can go to bat for an athlete on particular situations or in a unusual circumstance. The Don Long case for example...I did what I could, working with the suits, to even make it possible for him to compete. Without my intervention, I believe the IFBB would have simply said no, and been done with it. I personally don't think Don should compete, but my personal opinion is irrelevant. As the rep, I went to bat for Don as much as I could...
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Great story...keep 'em coming! You get back to Kamloops much?
Bob i missed one meeting was Shawn at them all? No i am not doing it for me i am doing it for other athletes get the rule changed then see how many go over to compete.As long as they have fear they will not go.So read all my articles before you comment i have always said it was not for me.You know the articles where i tell the truth about drugs and politics and everything else in this sport.So get your facts before running off at the mouth again.Do you forward your posts to the IFBB and say "look did i do good? did i do good huh huh did i?" rollover get a cookie :)
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The dumbest part about this entire thing is that Lee wants all the rules enforced and everyday he willingly breaks them.
This is hypocrisy at its best!
Yes and i have said suspend me but then you must also suspend others.Shit i amit to using anabolic always have so suspend me for that but then we must suspend the others as well.Its simple you can't single one person out when others are breaking the rules as well.
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The IFBB is a federation (sports) that has shareholders in which the Weiders were majority stock holders. They control everything or did. They are registered in Canada as a not for profit company.
How is it a sports federation? Does that term even have any legal meaning? In the US it does not. Who are the shareholders? Where is it publicly traded? If it's not publicly traded, then they are a privately heald corporation as I stated.
The amateur division may act like a federation, as each country has their own independant chapter. These national chapters have autonomy. But there are no chapters on the pro side of things.
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Bob i missed one meeting was Shawn at them all? No i am not doing it for me i am doing it for other athletes get the rule changed then see how many go over to compete.As long as they have fear they will not go.So read all my articles before you comment i have always said it was not for me.You know the articles where i tell the truth about drugs and politics and everything else in this sport.So get your facts before running off at the mouth again.Do you forward your posts to the IFBB and say "look did i do good? did i do good huh huh did i?" rollover get a cookie :)
My facts are dead on the money, lee...
The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?
What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.
Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.
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My facts are dead on the money, lee...
The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?
What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.
Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.
Chic, you are wrong there. Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think. Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch. No competitor is happy with the IFBB. That is a fact. Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others. That is called a minority. And remember you too are a one many army. It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.
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so the prize money remains the same...
and ya "clean" up the womens side..
wonderfull! why dont we just plain go into their houses and take away their food...
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Chic, you are wrong there. Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think. Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch. No competitor is happy with the IFBB. That is a fact. Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others. That is called a minority. And remember you too are a one many army. It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.
That's great Keith...and their silence to me, or someone that can make a difference will keep them doing exactly what they've been doing.
If these guys ain't making a living in the IFBB, then why the silence?? What have they got to lose by just going over to the PDI, anyways? Makes absolutely no sense...
I would encourage you, as you seem to have the pulse of the bodybuilders, to contact them and make sure they attend the meeting to cast their vote....
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Another thing I am pondering. It took Chic first forever to turn Pro. But he did it and great for him. Not sure how low it took him to have his first win though. Maybe someone can tell me. CHic got hired as the Athletes rep by the IFBB or Manion (same thing). As the rep he should
100% 110% focus his energy on improving the careers of the members. Nothing else. That is what a rep does. They work for the member. Every rep in every industry does this. Except Chic
Examples: Lee- instead of seeing what he can do to change the rule all he does is interpret (his own words) the rules and explain to Lee (everyday) how he will get suspended. I can't see where he has anytime to put together a proposal in writing to the IFBB explaining the benefits of letting members compete in other contests to make additonal money. Now his fight is no other organization lets there members do that. I think Ron even comes on and compares this scenario with fraternities on campus (which I am sure he is just doing as a joke cause no one would take that analogy serious). The problem with Chics argument is that the members of other organizations aren't allowed todo that. The reason they don't is because they are making money, are happy with there situation, or don't care. IN BB, they are not making the money, they are not happy, and maybe they do not care.
No matter what the case may be, Chic should be working on getting the rule changed, modified or deleted. But he is not not anything at all except defending the IFBB which IS NOT what a rep does.
The Colorado Pro pay checks is another example of not doing his job and proof he is not truly a ahtletes rep. Instead of asking why this happened and making sure the money was there and the paperwork was done properly he comes on here defending the promoter by posting a letter he typed himself but said he got from the bank. I asked to see the actual document many times and he could never come up with the actual document. His defense was it was the banks fault. Which is a huge cop-out. It was obvious someone didn't do their job and make sure everything was in place and the competitors were paid on time. How come he did not make sure the IFBB had the prize money prior to the show like they require in the rules. How come he didn't make sure every person who was bounced a check (and their were many) didn't get any other bank fees paid and restitution to the possible companies that the people might have written a check too that bounced becasue the Colorado check bounced. Instead he came on here defending the promoter instread of the athlete.
This is a transcript from the tape recorder found in Chic 1974 Pinto. :D
ring, ring
Manion: Manion's Mansion
Bob: Dad?
Manion: Hey Bobbo
Bob: I have a question
Manion: Wait a minute I gotta wipe my ass. You know these pages of the IFBB RUle Book make great toilet paper. Hey I have something to ask you.
Bob: What?
Manion: Bob we need a rep.
Bob: but I don't sing, I am a Hollywood actor
Manion: I said rep not rap.
Bob: Oh. I'm listening dad
Manion: We need someone who we can USE to do the dirty work and make us look good.
Bob: But I thought Wayne did that
Manion: Yea well all of a sudden he got a conscience
Bob: Well dad you know I don't have a conscience
Manion: Yes I know, thats why I called you.
Bob: No I called you.
Manion: You did?
Bob: Yea I was calling you to see when I can win my first pro show
Manion: Well I think I have an answer to that. If you become the rep I will make sure you win a show, but only one. Anymore than that people might start talking we fix contests
Bob: That's funny dad, why would anyone think that? You are the most honest person ever.
Manion: That's why you are perfect for the job Bob, you are impartial.
Bob: Not sure what that means but if it means not knowing what goes on behind my back then that's me.
Manion: Okay you're hired
Bob: Great! How much does it pay?
Manion: Son, unless you know something I don't, we haven't changed our rule of not paying people. You will do this for the love of the IFBB and me. No matter what happens I'll be behind you. Even it is way behind you I am there. But no matter what you know the IFBB is there for the members and we do everything we can to make them as much money as possible. (a little chuckle)
Bob: Yes I know dad. I will uphold the title with no dignity and no honor. You can count on me.
Manion: Just remember just give me a call on the "Bullshit Phone" when you are cornered and don't know the answer. Generally just use something that makes the IFBB sound great. Okay
Bob: Okay I can do that. I am a Hollywood actor. I can........
Manion: Yea Yea Bob I know.
Bob: One more thing dad
Manion: What
Bob: Is there a way I can win 2 shows.
Manion: Don't press your luck Bob. Enter the Masters and we can give you that one. But only if you make us look good and keep all those Internet Peanut Gallery guys off our backs.
Bob: Thats a funny one dad. Peanut Gallery. Can I use that one. I want people to think I thought of that. Can I can I.
Manion: yea go ahead and use it. Bye Bob
Bob: Bye dad.
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ring, ring
Manion: Manion's Mansion
Bob: Dad?
Manion: Hey Bobbo
Bob: I have a question
Manion: Wait a minute I gotta wipe my ass. You know these pages of the IFBB RUle Book make great toilet paper. Hey I have something to ask you.
Bob: What?
Manion: Bob we need a rep.
Bob: but I don't sing, I am a Hollywood actor
Manion: I said rep not rap.
Bob: Oh. I'm listening dad
Manion: We need someone who we can USE to do the dirty work and make us look good.
lol..hey maybe Hollywood should remake "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" staring Chick and Manion. The script sounds good so far.
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My facts are dead on the money, lee...
The point was (which you missed), was that you didn't attend because you were thinking about YOU and YOUR show, not of the other athlete's...just as they are now. They don't care about what YOU are trying to do...get it? Why would you expect them to back you now?
What other athlete's are you doing it for? NO ONE has shown any interest in going over and competing under Wayne, except for you. I guess we'll see how many others come forward at the athletes meeting...What fear would there be?
Tell you what, I'll make it a anonymous vote...guys can write what they want to do on a slip of paper and drop it in a box...no one will know exactly WHO is interested, just how many are.
Get the other athlete's on your side, and maybe you've got something...until then, you're a one man army, blowing smoke and getting nothing accomplished for anyone but yourself.
Oh hi i am Bob let me pat myself on my back some more :).The things you got changed were going to be changed anyway why not put the new IFBB puppet up to look like he did for the athletes to get thier trust.Fear of being suspended,blackballed .You and i have been around long enough to know the politics in the sport.If you say that dosen't exsist then you truly have lost your balls.Come on Bob that doing it just for me dosen't fly that the best you can do try and attack my character?good try but not working buddy.I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces :) uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it :)
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Another thing I am pondering. It took Chic first forever to turn Pro. But he did it and great for him. Not sure how low it took him to have his first win though. Maybe someone can tell me.
Im following this heated debate and have been suprised at how smart and articulate (not me) the parties involved are including you, but i fail to see how this issue of Bobs' record has anything at all to do with the argument. I might be missing something besides a grammar lesson that i need badly.
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I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces :) uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it :)
Damn now thats a video id like to see, something tells me its not gonna be on the next Bodybuilders Reality DVD. Mabey ill check the new release section of blockbuster in a few weeks.
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The Colorado Pro pay checks is another example of not doing his job and proof he is not truly a ahtletes rep. Instead of asking why this happened and making sure the money was there and the paperwork was done properly he comes on here defending the promoter by posting a letter he typed himself but said he got from the bank. I asked to see the actual document many times and he could never come up with the actual document.
You are the only person who goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Colorado Pro. There was an error. It was rectified and nobody is complaining except you, with almost every post.
If you're that concerned about the athletes and their payments, ask the PDI if there will be checks in the envelopes that they hand out on stage, and if not will the guys have to wait as long as they used to for payment.
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You are the only person who goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on about the Colorado Pro. There was an error. It was rectified and nobody is complaining except you, with almost every post.
If you're that concerned about the athletes and their payments, ask the PDI if there will be checks in the envelopes that they hand out on stage, and if not will the guys have to wait as long as they used to for payment.
You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there. Kind of like you are with the PDI.
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You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there. Kind of like you are with the PDI.
Did you find out if there will be checks in the envelopes?
If not, will you be complaining about it on here? I know you take an active interest in the financial side of other peoples business.
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Keith, you are a funny guy. Bob is funny, too, but doesn't know it. I used to have some strange guys train at my gym and I made heroes out of them. Well, that is what the gym business is like some times and you need to keep yourself amused or you will go nuts when guys come in and tell you they don't want to get big and all that crap. Some of those oddballs were true misfits and I used to tell them just to be themselves and not try to be funny because then they weren't funny at all. Sorta like our dear Bob, here. We all love Bob and admire the way he salutes the flag everyday and stands up for the American way. The IFBB sure know how to pick their personel. Are there any photos of Bob wearing his official, sanctioned, respectable blue blazer? Ben did try to bring something good into bodybuilding and his contribution will be the blue blazers of the officials and judges. When I go to contests I am always impressed that the judges are better dressed than the casual looking audience. I see those guys looking official and I know they have to take an oath to try to think like everyone else in the organization.
Bob continues to paint Lee as the thorn in the side of the IFBB and the errant person who needs to be punished for breaking a holy rule that the IFBB has enforced because it is good for bodybuilding. I think that having a professional division and special rules has contaminated the sport forever. I dislike the idea that competitors have contracts with the organization that is supposed to be running the contests. There is a conflict of interest here and it stinks and will continue to stink until some independence of the judging and judges happens.
Lee is holding a good hand. Let us bring our popcorn and watch how this saga unfolds.
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Oh hi i am Bob let me pat myself on my back some more :).The things you got changed were going to be changed anyway why not put the new IFBB puppet up to look like he did for the athletes to get thier trust.Fear of being suspended,blackballed .You and i have been around long enough to know the politics in the sport.If you say that dosen't exsist then you truly have lost your balls.Come on Bob that doing it just for me dosen't fly that the best you can do try and attack my character?good try but not working buddy.I can bring those Sterod videos which i and Mr Olympia did for Tom Platz and a few other Mr O competitors are on there say what drugs we use.Yes some faces were blurred but not the bodies oh did i mention the copy i have shows the faces :) uncut.Yep the good old video evidence again mmm dosen't that go against the rules.Like i have said lets go to court i am ready and there is countless other stuff on video and in the mags going against the rules.So tell the blue blazers lets do it.Oh wait they read this board all the time so to you i say hello.Thinking i am bluffing?then call it :)
Nice cop out Lee...
The things I got changed were going to be "changed anyway"?? WOW, What a coincidence....nothing changed for 40 years until I made it happen, but I guess they were going to be changed anyways?? Now you're sounding stupid...
Bring out your steroid video's, lee...If you think they'll do something for you...go for it. Let's just make you the defender of all the rules...gather up all the athletes you believe to be breaking rules, write them all down and submit them to the IFBB...Get them ALL suspended, Lee...that will show 'em!!
Why do you keep threatening ME with bringing this to court? I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....
Any of the top guys aint interested in going over, any of the other guys can go if they wish. If they're not making any money in the IFBB anyway, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE?? Where's the fear of being suspended, blackballed, etc., if they don't wan't to be with the IFBB in the first place?
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I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....
ROFL.. :)
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Nice cop out Lee...
The things I got changed were going to be "changed anyway"?? WOW, What a coincidence....nothing changed for 40 years until I made it happen, but I guess they were going to be changed anyways?? Now you're sounding stupid...
Bring out your steroid video's, lee...If you think they'll do something for you...go for it. Let's just make you the defender of all the rules...gather up all the athletes you believe to be breaking rules, write them all down and submit them to the IFBB...Get them ALL suspended, Lee...that will show 'em!!
Why do you keep threatening ME with bringing this to court? I could honestly give a rats ass if you file a lawsuit aginst the IFBB or not. That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....
Any of the top guys aint interested in going over, any of the other guys can go if they wish. If they're not making any money in the IFBB anyway, WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO LOSE?? Where's the fear of being suspended, blackballed, etc., if they don't wan't to be with the IFBB in the first place?
Because Bob i have emailed the IFBB and get no response from Jim about me going to the PDI.So i know you and him talk so i address you to pass it on that's why.It's not about getting them all suspended it's about the IFBB rules and if broken people must be punished.Yes if i break them punish me and the others no playing favorites with the rules here.They are clean cut as you and Shawn keep saying and we the athletes signed on for it so they must abide as well.Hey if i never compete in the IFBB again so be it but i will make my point before i leave :). Win the crowd win your freedom :P
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Win the crowd win your freedom :P
Maximus! Maximus! :)
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You never know Kev, I might have been hired to keep the Colorado Pro name out there. Kind of like you are with the PDI.
Make sure your check clears before keeping the name out there too much. ;)
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Did guys seem happier pre-Manion or in the current era int he IFBB?
People including myself had problems with the IFBB and Wayne back then.But look the shows were better.Don't even mention how the Olympia has fallen from grace.
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Lee,
Why throw away YOUR IFBB career that you have established over all these years for athletes not even willing to stand with you when you need their voice the most? Its like they are saying "help us make change....but I will lend you no support". Its hard to help those who refuse to even try to help themselves first. :-\
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I remember being younger and seeing more stuff on television and not to mention better physiques back then. I loved it more then.
I feel you on that man. During the Dorian era conditioning and muscle mass reached its peak. Now the muscle is greater but the conditioning is not quite as good. Its coming back around though...
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Lee,
Why throw away YOUR IFBB career that you have established over all these years for athletes not even willing to stand with you when you need their voice the most? Its like they are saying "help us make change....but I will lend you no support". Its hard to help those who refuse to even try to help themselves first. :-\
I WOULD RATHER THROW IT AWAY AND HAVE MY DIGNITY KNOWING I NEVER CHANGED OR BOWED DOWN.THEN TO STAND WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS WHO COMPLAIN THEN KISS ASS.MAKES ME SICK WHAT THESE GUYS WILL DO TO NOT ROCK THE BOAT.WHAT HAPPENDED TO BEING RESPECTED FOR WHO YOU ARE.BE YOURSELF GUYS STAND UP.WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGE WITHOUT US THE IFBB DOSE NOT EXSIST. REMEMBER THAT.NEXT TIME YOUR BACKSTAGE BEING PUSHED AROUND AND RUSHED OUT ,TELL THEM GO AHEAD START WITHOUT US ;D
ALL I CAN SAY IS I AM WHO I AM.YOU LIKE ME FINE YOU DON'T THAT'S FINE ALSO LIFE GOES ON.
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Lee knows how the IFBB works. He also knows that with the current officials he ain't gonna win the Olympia. I think everyone has to decide for himself where and when to compete and in which organization. Everyone is self-interested and does what benefits him most. So, Lee is doing the PDI and hopes to get a fairer go than in many of the IFBB contests. Everyone knows that if you go against the IFBB you don't win contests or you might even get that 8th placing like Bev and Sergio got. If Lee is suspended the other pros are 'glad' because they move up a place because he is not there. That is how it works and all the competitors know this and that is why they don't make waves.
Rule 1 in the IFBB wanna win manual is to obey all directions by officials.
Rule 2. If in doubt see Rule 1.
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Lee knows how the IFBB works. He also knows that with the current officials he ain't gonna win the Olympia. I think everyone has to decide for himself where and when to compete and in which organization. Everyone is self-interested and does what benefits him most. So, Lee is doing the PDI and hopes to get a fairer go than in many of the IFBB contests. Everyone knows that if you go against the IFBB you don't win contests or you might even get that 8th placing like Bev and Sergio got. If Lee is suspended the other pros are 'glad' because they move up a place because he is not there. That is how it works and all the competitors know this and that is why they don't make waves.
Rule 1 in the IFBB wanna win manual is to obey all directions by officials.
Rule 2. If in doubt see Rule 1.
Rule 3. Kiss as much ass as possible. This is Chicks favorite rule ;)
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Well ok i am done on this topic.MMMM whatelse can we discuss now? :)
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That's great Keith...and their silence to me, or someone that can make a difference will keep them doing exactly what they've been doing.
If these guys ain't making a living in the IFBB, then why the silence?? What have they got to lose by just going over to the PDI, anyways? Makes absolutely no sense...
I would encourage you, as you seem to have the pulse of the bodybuilders, to contact them and make sure they attend the meeting to cast their vote....
You "tell Lee" get it? When it's you that doesn't have a clue. The athletes think you're a putz. They don't respect you. You weren't voted in as the athlete's rep. You were put in that position by the IFBB. Get the fuck off your high horse. NO one WANTS to talk to you because they know you're an IFBB puppet and everything that is mentioned is gonna get back to the "boys". Talk about someone who doesn't get it. You're a minnow who thinks he's a whale. Once AMI is rid of the O they're going to start cutting back. And the first one to go is going to be you. You don't think so? Ok, we'll see. But everyone, YOU SAW IT HERE FIRST!
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Did guys seem happier pre-Manion or in the current era int he IFBB?
I'll defer to Lee...
You said on PBBW, that you were fined/ suspended under Wayne numerous times...to the tune of $17,000.
How many times and how much have you been penalized under Jim Manion?
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I'll defer to Lee...
You said on PBBW, that you were fined/ suspended under Wayne numerous times...to the tune of $17,000.
How many times and how much have you been penalized under Jim Manion?
Another very easy answer and fact. Weider had Wayne at his disposal to do his dirty work and hand out the fines. That is the only reason it was done. Now Wayne is gone Manion is in Charge and he is as ball-less as Weider was and more. Do you think Manion would ever do anything to make himself look bad. He now has you to do the dirt work but make it look like you are doing good. Those are facts
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Another very easy answer and fact. Weider had Wayne at his disposal to do his dirty work and hand out the fines. That is the only reason it was done. Now Wayne is gone Manion is in Charge and he is as ball-less as Weider was and more. Do you think Manion would ever do anything to make himself look bad. He now has you to do the dirt work but make it look like you are doing good. Those are facts
Well, now he has Manion there to do his "dirty work", right Keith?
So when Wayne was there, he was under the ironfisted hand of Ben Weider, and was merely following orders...
But now Jim is there, and somehow he has the ability to by-pass Ben and make his own decisions???
Have you ever considered that maybe...just maybe...Wayne is passing the buck and pointing the finger at Ben to make HIMSELF look good?
Nahhhhhhhhhh...couldn't be.
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Keith? Where did you go buddy? Can't take THAT long for Wayne to pick up the phone....
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Bottom line is why have a code of conduct and rules to follow if said rules are never up held or acted upon by who ever is in charge and or its incumbent members of control ----- in reality it makes the paper they are writing on only good enough to wipe someones excrement with so said individual does not leave skiddys in ones under wear !!!!
So putting names to this whole debate is nothing but a pointless time of single letter typing Bob because the back bone of the debate is never upheld in its intended purpose any how , by whom ever and by all , for they can not up hold the rules for they have evolved to such a state that to do so would make all of whom are involved in or whom fall under this monopolised rule , RULE BREAKERS !!!
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Another very easy answer and fact. Weider had Wayne at his disposal to do his dirty work and hand out the fines. That is the only reason it was done. Now Wayne is gone Manion is in Charge and he is as ball-less as Weider was and more. Do you think Manion would ever do anything to make himself look bad. He now has you to do the dirt work but make it look like you are doing good. Those are facts
Keith,
I really don't understand your reasoning. Are you saying that Weider was ball-less and used Wayne to impose the fines, but now Jim is even less ball-less and won't impose the fines?
If you believe the above then obviouly athletes were fined all because of Wayne's balls?
But if Jim has enough balls to not impose the fines, one must assume that he has more balls than Wayne who didn't have the balls to stand up against Weider?
So once again you are wrong and the man you love to hate - Jim - has the most balls of all and as you rate a man by the size of his balls, you have a new hero.
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Don't expect an answer, Kev.....he ain't got the balls!!
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Don't expect an answer, Kev.....he ain't got the balls!!
Chick did you ever answer my King Kamali's prep question? I dunno if i missed the thread bro
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Just talked to King earlier today...he's doing fine and looking to come in lighter than the NY Pro. He's made some adjustments to his training style, and also to his last 48 prep.
We'll see if the changes pay off with his best conditioning since the 2001 I.M., If he can achieve that, no question he'll qualify for the "O".
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I'll defer to Lee...
You said on PBBW, that you were fined/ suspended under Wayne numerous times...to the tune of $17,000.
How many times and how much have you been penalized under Jim Manion?
Bob answered that so get of the merry go round will you.
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Bob answered that so get of the merry go round will you.
Lee what's up bro how's the lifting going ;)
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I WOULD RATHER THROW IT AWAY AND HAVE MY DIGNITY KNOWING I NEVER CHANGED OR BOWED DOWN.THEN TO STAND WITH A BUNCH OF GUYS WHO COMPLAIN THEN KISS ASS.MAKES ME SICK WHAT THESE GUYS WILL DO TO NOT ROCK THE BOAT.WHAT HAPPENDED TO BEING RESPECTED FOR WHO YOU ARE.BE YOURSELF GUYS STAND UP.WE HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGE WITHOUT US THE IFBB DOSE NOT EXSIST. REMEMBER THAT.NEXT TIME YOUR BACKSTAGE BEING PUSHED AROUND AND RUSHED OUT ,TELL THEM GO AHEAD START WITHOUT US ;D
ALL I CAN SAY IS I AM WHO I AM.YOU LIKE ME FINE YOU DON'T THAT'S FINE ALSO LIFE GOES ON.
Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix.
Fact is Lee, you being the only actual IFBB pro athlete competing in the PDI says a lot. You are only acting out of your own self-justification. All you care about is yourself. Yeah, fuck everyone except me is what your little brain tells you every day.
And getting on-stage to whip up on some rank amateurs is pathetic to say the least. Pick on someone your own size, like maybe one of the seven dwarfs from Snow White.
Lee, your career is essentially over. Better stick with racing.....Boy...
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The secret to Lee's muscle is to suck on umbilical chords. He said something like that in an interview.
Muslceradio had a great interview with Labrada where he says that the ifbb should have given drug testing a chance
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That's YOUR perogative (like Bobby Brown)....
Chic,
Would you say you model a lot of your behavior after Bobby Brown?
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Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix.
Fact is Lee, you being the only actual IFBB pro athlete competing in the PDI says a lot. You are only acting out of your own self-justification. All you care about is yourself. Yeah, f**k everyone except me is what your little brain tells you every day.
And getting on-stage to whip up on some rank amateurs is pathetic to say the least. Pick on someone your own size, like maybe one of the seven dwarfs from Snow White.
Lee, your career is essentially over. Better stick with racing.....Boy...
Kind of like when Jackie Robinson didn't listen to his bros about playing with the white guys, or Ron Hunt (not sure about the name) when he got free agency in pro baseball. Hate to be the one guy stands up to the system to at least make an attemp to make a change. Exactly why you whare you are and what are and Lee is where he is and what he is.
Vince again you prove your stupidity. It looks more and more like maybe you are working for the IFBB. You sound like a black piece of shit Chic. And Chic looks a million times better than you. Hope this helps.
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Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix.
Fact is Lee, you being the only actual IFBB pro athlete competing in the PDI says a lot. You are only acting out of your own self-justification. All you care about is yourself. Yeah, f**k everyone except me is what your little brain tells you every day.
And getting on-stage to whip up on some rank amateurs is pathetic to say the least. Pick on someone your own size, like maybe one of the seven dwarfs from Snow White.
Lee, your career is essentially over. Better stick with racing.....Boy...
Yep without Joe and Ben there would be no Bodybuilding like we see it today.
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Vince G , and your bodybuilding credentials are what ? you sad thick skinned, metabolic retarded, catabolic ,under nourished, ceraplausy strength excuse for a competitive bodybuilder !!
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Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix.
Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad. But that is a debate for another thread.
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Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad. But that is a debate for another thread.
You are kind of right. Without these two Bodybuilding would not be the way it is now. And without Alexander Graham Bell we would probably still be yelling at each other from across the street or still using morse code. The Weiders took the ideas of others. That has been proven before on here. They were good at promting it so it got out there. But they were and are stillgood at making BB go nowhere. They made it and they brouhgt it down.
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You are kind of right. Without these two Bodybuilding would not be the way it is now. And without Alexander Graham Bell we would probably still be yelling at each other from across the street or still using morse code. The Weiders took the ideas of others. That has been proven before on here. They were good at promting it so it got out there. But they were and are stillgood at making BB go nowhere. They made it and they brouhgt it down.
Is there anything you approve of?
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The IFBB started out slowly and took decades to be the dominant organization. It took the demise of Bob Hoffman to end the AAU Mr America and Oscar Heidenstamm to end the position of the NABBA Universe. In the 1960s the IFBB let all the top champions enter the Olympia and some of the other shows. The early IFBB Mr Universe wasn't as prestigious as the NABBA Universe. How the Weiders forget and it is their turn to exclude the others.
The one lesson learned by bodybuilders was that going to other organizations can be the end of your career. Strydom and others never did compete in the Olympia after going to the WWF and Vince McMahon. When that deal ended those guys couldn't get back into the IFBB easily so most retired. I saw Gary pose in Sydney and he won a grand prix here and was clearly superior to the professionals who competed that day. Guys like Bob Paris looked great but Gary was in another league all his own.
I think Lee could care less about the Olympia because Lee would rather win contests than win prize money.
How are Ben and Joe, by the way? Hope they are healthy and well.
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I think Lee could care less about the Olympia because Lee would rather win contests than win prize money.
You are kidding...right?
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Without Joe and Ben Weider, bodybuilding wouldn't even be in the mix.
Fact is Lee, you being the only actual IFBB pro athlete competing in the PDI says a lot. You are only acting out of your own self-justification. All you care about is yourself. Yeah, f**k everyone except me is what your little brain tells you every day.
And getting on-stage to whip up on some rank amateurs is pathetic to say the least. Pick on someone your own size, like maybe one of the seven dwarfs from Snow White.
Lee, your career is essentially over. Better stick with racing.....Boy...
Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.
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Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad. But that is a debate for another thread.
Ron don't be stupid you think no one else would have come along and start one? Please Ron and if it wasn't for the Weiders we wouldn't have trainig cause they made all those training principles.Cause these two are the only two in the whole world who could have started a bodybuilding league. UMMMM ok Ron.
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Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.
You still plan on going to the olympia ? Watch out for Vince ;D
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Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your .I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.
he knows how to get under your skin Leigh
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You are kidding...right?
No that is true never been about the money.
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Is there anything you approve of?
I've seen your photgraphy. I do think that is verygood.
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Vince you don't know one thing about me so please spare us your bullshit.I will see you at the Olympia so save your remarks for then.
Yea, Vince better watch out. Cause you have Lee and about several other dozen people wanting to greet you with closed fists open arms. And so far I am going too, so hopefully I can knock you out bump into you.
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Which brings me to another thought:
I own a small supplement company (AtLarge Nutrition, LLC). If every person on this site who buys supplements were to support my company via purchasing from us and getting their contacts (friends and family) to do so I could begin to make a difference in bodybuilding.
Let me be clear, I do not consider myself to be a great man but I am someone with integrity and a love for FAIR competition. Much like I have already begun to do with powerlifting if my company were to grow due to bodybuilding I would pour money back into the sport. Like most of you who are reading this I very much dislike the problems that abound in the sport now. There is no need to rehash it all here; you know what the problems are.
Think of it this way, the ad budgets for some of the bigger supplement companies would be more than sufficient to start a new federation that was nicely funded.
As I have stated in the powerlifting world my goal is to build my company to the point where I can give back to the sports that support it and create a better strength sports world. I have never said this publicly, buy my ultimate goal would be to grow my company to Weider-like proportions and create new professional bodybuilding and powerlifting federations that were run free of political b.s. and the other unprofessional problems that are so manifest in strength sports today.
Why do I want to do this? Practically from the day I first started training I loved strength sports of all types and the more I have gotten to know about the inner workings of said sport I have felt really compelled to try to make a difference. When I see a bodybuilder get ill and have no way to pay his/her medical bills or when I see a powerlifter or bodybuilder have to hold a grueling full-time job while simultaneously being a top-tier athlete in their respective sport I cannot help but think what a travesty that is. These athletes and their sports help to generate supplement and gear (powerlifting gear) companies millions of dollars yet they don't have a pot to piss in. BAD DEAL!
Frankly, I feel a bit silly typing this as I am essentially outlining my dream/goal but I think it is important to let others know. WHERE YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS DIRECTLY EFFECTS THE SPORTS YOU LOVE. IF YOU WANT TO BUILD TOWARDS A BETTER TOMORROW SUPPORT MY COMPANY.
Spam maybe, but this is how I TRULY feel and I feel compelled to say it now.
Chris, I hear you. I have a great idea. Use me as your guinea pig to show the world how effective your supplements are. I will take whatever you recommend and work out regularly and eat clean. We can do before and after photos. AtLarge can use me in their ads without compensation and prove to society how supplements really work. Your company will take off, you'll make millions, and together we shall rule the universe. Right now, I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. I'd like to be able to get to 6'1 and a lean 220. Show me the Honey! Or Bee Pollen!
Special "Oink" Ed
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*IF* I were to engage in the use of AAS, It would be with the supervision of a doctor and legally perscribed.
why would a doctor legally prescribe steroids for you? are you dying of aids or some other muscle wasting disease? you look to be reasonably healthy.
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I will be glad when all of this is over. We cant even have a decent convo about the olympia. Bob, just let Lee compete in the Pdi so he will stop crying.
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One dollar. Ok, just don't agree to any non disclosure contracts.
It's no fun if everyone isn't allowed to know that the ifbb caved.
Sandra
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Chic, you are wrong there. Obviously you ARE NOT in the know as much as you think. Like I said on here awhile back I talked to a few IFBB pros (in the top 25) who were at the Anaheim show and they told me the biggest thing any of them were talking about was the PDI and how it would be good to switch. No competitor is happy with the IFBB. That is a fact. Excpt you of course and Ronnie and Jay and less than 5 others. That is called a minority. And remember you too are a one many army. It has been proven time and time agian by the attendance at your meetings you call.
This thread is going on and on. But the other ifbb pro who showed interest was Vince Taylor, he eventually backed out but the interest was there. And Galanti is aiming for his pro card, another who was interested but backed out.
So those were open about their interest. I think others are taking the "wait and see" attitude.
I just read the MD article with Denise. Not that I think it is a bad thing....psuedo vampire and BDSM in women's bodybuilding...
I think it makes it more interesting even if it is against the rules.
Sandra
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Blah blah blah. Quit beating a dead horse. Is anyone watching the news? Barry Bonds, Floyd Landis, MLB, what do they have in common? JUICE!!!!!!!!! And what is the federal government doing to anything possible to get rid of (examples tapping ball players in MLB lockerooms to get leads, indicting Barry Bonds on any charge possible to get him in court to expose him and steriods in sports)? JUICE. Bodybuilding unfortunately will be on the chopping block. Craig Titus didnt help. Balco. This deal is not over. Instead of bitching and complaining about the IFBB you better start looking for more sports to enjoy because within a year or two the sport will change for worse or better depending on your point of view. IFBB rules wont matter because someone else will enforce the law..................... .......
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Blah blah blah. Quit beating a dead horse. Is anyone watching the news? Barry Bonds, Floyd Landis, MLB, what do they have in common? JUICE!!!!!!!!! And what is the federal government doing to anything possible to get rid of (examples tapping ball players in MLB lockerooms to get leads, indicting Barry Bonds on any charge possible to get him in court to expose him and steriods in sports)? JUICE. Bodybuilding unfortunately will be on the chopping block. Craig Titus didnt help. Balco. This deal is not over. Instead of bitching and complaining about the IFBB you better start looking for more sports to enjoy because within a year or two the sport will change for worse or better depending on your point of view. IFBB rules wont matter because someone else will enforce the law..................... .......
very true.
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Chris, I hear you. I have a great idea. Use me as your guinea pig to show the world how effective your supplements are. I will take whatever you recommend and work out regularly and eat clean. We can do before and after photos. AtLarge can use me in their ads without compensation and prove to society how supplements really work. Your company will take off, you'll make millions, and together we shall rule the universe. Right now, I'm 5'11 and 240 lbs. I'd like to be able to get to 6'1 and a lean 220. Show me the Honey! Or Bee Pollen!
Special "Oink" Ed
If you were not always so darn sarcastic I might be happy to let you try them and state your opinion here.
No, we don't sell any bee pollen or the like.
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Bob, if I understand correctly you represent the athletes not the athlete and told Lee to come forward with a group and you would fight for the right to change the rule. You said he is only one person, but when Don Long came to you for support in competing you helped him even though you thought it was a bad idea. Why didn't you tell him to get Tom Pince and Flex Wheeler to come with him and you would help them all have the chance to come back. I know Tom and Flex aren't looking to come back but why support Don in a life threatening decision which you don't approve of and it can only potentially hurt him and not support Lee who is only trying to better livelihoods. H e may not have people in line to support him but did Don.
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Lee, are you going to be able to round up enough people to vote on the secret ballot that Bob has offered you.
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Bob, if I understand correctly you represent the athletes not the athlete and told Lee to come forward with a group and you would fight for the right to change the rule. You said he is only one person, but when Don Long came to you for support in competing you helped him even though you thought it was a bad idea. Why didn't you tell him to get Tom Pince and Flex Wheeler to come with him and you would help them all have the chance to come back. I know Tom and Flex aren't looking to come back but why support Don in a life threatening decision which you don't approve of and it can only potentially hurt him and not support Lee who is only trying to better livelihoods. H e may not have people in line to support him but did Don.
1.) weree talking about two entirely different situations.
2.) Even though I don't personally think Don should compete, as his rep, It's my job to make sure he gets a fair shake, and that's exactly what I did.
3.) Don wants to compete as an IFBB pro.
Lee has made his wishes known to the IFBB, it doesn't need to be submitted again. Lee isn't getting "screwed", he's held to the same standard and rules as the rest of us are.
Lee is trying to compete in a different federation, clearly against the rules...a rule they won't change, and certainly not for 1 guy. I'm the IFBB athletes rep, I help IFBB athletes in reguards to IFBB related matters...the PDI isn't one of them.
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thanks Bob, I'll accept that I'm curious what Lees answer to my question is.
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But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.
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2.) Even though I don't personally think Don should compete, as his rep, It's my job to make sure he gets a fair shake,
I thought you said your job was "to protect an athlete from himself"?
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you did say that Bob
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But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.
Why? No one else is looking to get it changed. As I've stated numerous times now...you can't change a rule for 1 guy.
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Why? No one else is looking to get it changed. As I've stated numerous times now...you can't change a rule for 1 guy.
You have flipflopped here.
You have said it woudl have to be 51% of the guys.
You have also said "some" of the guys.
You have even said you'd put it in for consideration, if Lee woudl just write it up.
Why change the standards so often?
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You have flipflopped here.
You have said it woudl have to be 51% of the guys.
You have also said "some" of the guys.
You have even said you'd put it in for consideration, if Lee woudl just write it up.
Why change the standards so often?
There is no flip flopping...same as always.
First off, I have no standards to go by...I'm free to run my meetings as I wish, as often as I wish, with whatever manner I see fit. I like the athletes to have a say in what gets proposed...I CHOOSE to have it by the majority...I at least have to see an interest by others, as I represent the group. So far, there is none.
BTW...since you're so fond of pointing out my grammer/ spelling errors..."would" is spelled W-O-U-L-D
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There is no flip flopping...same as always.
First off, I have no standards to go by...I'm free to run my meetings as I wish, as often as I wish, with whatever manner I see fit. I like the athletes to have a say in what gets proposed...I CHOOSE to have it by the majority...I at least have to see an interest by others, as I represent the group. So far, there is none.
wow.
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wow.
I know...I'm amazed as well at the complete lack of support for Lee's cause!
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I know...I'm amazed as well at the complete lack of support for Lee's cause!
maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward. They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.
just a theory tho. who knows...
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maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward. They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.
just a theory tho. who knows...
Or maybe they don't trust Wayne...or maybe they don't see the great big pot of gold at the end of the PDI rainbow...or maybe they see that there are rank amateurs being given pro cards...or maybe they don't want to throw the years they've invested down the toilet...or maybe they don't want to be fined everytime they turn around....
Need more?
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maybe they saw the warm welcome that Lee received from his athletes rep when he came forward. They didn't want to get labeled by the very man designated to protect their rights.
just a theory tho. who knows...
Maybe they don't want to be screwed by Wayne again, 240. You ever thought of that
Vince Taylor smelled bullshit and left
Vince Galanti smelled bullshit and left
Vince Goodrum already knew Wayne was full of shit.
Most likely they found that it was a sinking ship from the start
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But you are still Lees rep also and he wants a ruled changed so you should try to help him get it changed.
Yes it would be nice if the rule was changed but if not.Suspend me but also suspend those who are also breaking rules that's all.Oh Bob and as of right now i am still a IFBB athlete.
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Lee, will you round up enough votes for the secret ballot Bob has offered
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Yes it would be nice if the rule was changed but if not.Suspend me but also suspend those who are also breaking rules that's all.Oh Bob and as of right now i am still a IFBB athlete.
Chick is the athlete's rep. Notice the plural element of it, sunshine???
Chick works for the benefit of the athletes as a whole. Not for one person, Lee. You are the only IFBB pro in the PDI. Do you see anyone else around????
Boy....
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Chick is the athlete's rep. Notice the plural element of it, sunshine???
No, that would be athletes' rep.
athlete's is singular possessive
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Bob helped Don Long, that is one person whos life could be in danger.
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No, that would be athletes' rep.
athlete's is singular possessive
I think the source of most of the confusion, and animosity towards Bob, is the question of whether Bob is the Athletes' Rep, or the IFBB Athletes' Rep. The two are not nearly the same position. In the former's case, his priority would be to look out for the athletes as an independent agent, who presumably, gets a percentage of their winnings/salary from union fees, salaries and winnings. In the latter's case, he would be a salaried, or otherwise compensated IFBB employee whose interest would lie with the IFBB first and foremost.
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I think the source of most of the confusion, and animosity towards Bob, is the question of whether Bob is the Athletes' Rep, or the IFBB Athletes' Rep. The two are not nearly the same position. In the former's case, his priority would be to look out for the athletes as an independent agent, who presumably, gets a percentage of their winnings/salary from union fees, salaries and winnings. In the latter's case, he would be a salaried, or otherwise compensated IFBB employee whose interest would lie with the IFBB first and foremost.
Well, your half right.
I am the IFBB Athletes Representative. While it is not a paid position, nor do I derive any compensation from the IFBB (or otherwise).
My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole, and express them to the suits, thus giving us a voice to be heard where previously, we had none.
While I can appreciate Lee's position, it's not my responsibility to make it possible for him to compete in a DIFFERENT federation, nor more than it's not my job to make sure his car insurance is the best rate, or whether he should tattoo the other side of his face...
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Well, your half right.
I am the IFBB Athletes Representative. While it is not a paid position, nor do I derive any compensation from the IFBB (or otherwise).
My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole, and express them to the suits, thus giving us a voice to be heard where previously, we had none.
Clearly then, the athletes would have to ban together and agree (and tell you) that the rule about competing elsewhere is unfair, to them. So why won't they do that? And are they allowed to voice their opinions unanimously? They don't receive a salary from the IFBB, right? What possible reason could they have for not wanting the chance to do extra shows for extra money? Fear of not getting paid even if they do well in a PDI show? Apathy towards group meetings? Too proud to win a trophy in what is perceived as a weaker federation? Fear of lower placings in the IFBB?
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Clearly then, the athletes would have to ban together and agree (and tell you) that the rule about competing elsewhere is unfair, to them. So why won't they do that? And are they allowed to voice their opinions unanimously? They don't receive a salary from the IFBB, right? What possible reason could they have for not wanting the chance to do extra shows for extra money? Fear of not getting paid even if they do well in a PDI show? Apathy towards group meetings? Too proud to win a trophy in what is perceived as a weaker federation? Fear of lower placings in the IFBB?
Exactly...I've offered (to lee) to have a completely anonymous vote taken to determine if the IFBB athletes see any value in being allowed to compete in rival federations.
I can give you a whole bunch of reasons they may not wan't to...
1.) There are enough IFBB shows to compete in
2.) Few guys compete more than 2-3 times a year, anyway.
3.) There isn't enough money being offered by rival federation, and certainly no guarantee to get paid...especially given the fact that one of the PDI promoters has already stiffed the top 5 from his LAST show.
4.) Many of the IFBB athletes have contracts with major supplement companies, which are major sponsors of IFBB/NPC shows...thats where their money is best spent, and that's where they want their athleetes representing.
5.) There is a pride issue, and sense of accomplishment that goes hand in hand with earning a IFBB Pro card...competing against amateurs which have not earned that right doesn't sit well with them.
6.) Veteren IFBB bodybuilders don't trust Wayne as far as you can throw him, given his past track record and athlete relations...he wasn't on the athletes side then, why trust him now?
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good points bob
but its going to be interesting to see how the athletes react if the pdi show is a success i think thats what the ifbb are scared of
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good points bob
but its going to be interesting to see how the athletes react if the pdi show is a success i think thats what the ifbb are scared of
Hard to define "success"...Wayne isn't accountable to anyone except himself. There is no way to know how many PAID tickets as opposed to COMPTED...If I were Wayne I'd be giving away tickets like free car washes to make it look ass busy as possible.
Lack of visual sponsors would be telling, even if Wayne is financing this out of his own pocket...even he wouldn't last too long without major backing for overhead/ purse.
There will be a curiosity factor being the first PDI show, after that (if there is another show) the fans would dictate whether they liked it and will continue to support, or if they thought it was a joke and simply don't return...
All this is nothing more than speculation since we have no reason to believe this show will go on, anymore than the others that have been canceled...time will tell.
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Bob said:My responsibility is to represent the IFBB athletes interests as a whole
Whatever does this mean, Bob? Do you have some description of your position as rep? Representing a group of bodybuilders does not mean you represent a consensus but the collective interests of bodybuilders. It is not up to you to assess whether a bodybuilder's concerns has merit although common sense has to be used.
I should think that meetings do not have to be called all the time. That is inconvenient for some and so on. Can you or have you used email to gather opinions? You could even get groups in messenger and all will be able to contribute and vote, etc.
You sound like a fair guy and someone who is trying to do the right thing. However, many here see that you are not doing what YOU think is right but what others have also told you what to do. I think that is quite transparent and you daily reinforce that impression by repeating yourself and how you cannot do this and that and so on. Who is on the Pro committee beside JM?
You should be able to assess what many on this site feel about the IFBB's rule about not being able to compete in another organization unless it is sanctioned. Apparently judges cannot judge in other organizations, either, and I find that preposterous. Judging should be separated from such restrictions but we all know how the IFBB likes to control the competitors and everyone else involved in their organization. I was involved in an organization and we drew up rules to benefit bodybuilders. We felt they should be treated with respect at all times and they were allowed to compete wherever they liked. I honestly believe the IFBB acts like a control freak and is damaging bodybuilding and not doing the right thing for most bodybuilders.
Let us take the issue of lack of support for Lee Priest's opinion that pros be allowed to compete where they like. Would we expect Ronnie to side with Lee? Well, not if he can win over $100,000 in September. The same goes for Jay, Dexter, Gunter and a few of the others who will place in the money. They have too much to lose to even think about supporting the idea that others should be free to compete where they like. Why would any competitor be against the idea of freedom to compete elsewhere? The other bodybuilders do not want to be seen to be supporting anyone who is going against a rule in the IFBB. They have their futures to worry about. Self-interest will stop most bodybuilders from supporting Lee. Well, I support what he wants to do. I may not be considered a professional bodybuilder but I am a professional in the industry.
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You pretty much summed it up in your first paragraph...I have to use common sense as what to address and what not to.
Meeting aren't called all the time...they are called at the two biggest events of the year (which the majority of Pro's are in the same place at the same time) The ASC and the Olympia.
I could give a rats ass about what the "people here" think, as they (for the most part) have no idea of what goes on...it's the IFBB athletes opinions that are of interest to me.
The top bodybuilders have nothing to lose by expressing an opinion, especially if it's anonymous. Two of the most outspoken bbers in history (Lee and Shawn), have had major battles witht he IFBB...and have also never been blackballed, or placed lower than they should have (barring public opinion, of course).
I'll leave it to the people to decide...as promised.
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Bob,
Has Wayne followed up lately on his request to appear on PBBW? The NOC is getting fairly close and it would be a good idea on his part to throw some more publicity behind it. When the Olympia comes we all know where the attention will turn and it won't be in the direction of the PDI probably. Especially since Vince Taylor and Vinny Galanti have cancelled their decision to compete causing a probable loss in momentum on the PDI's part.
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We expressed an open invitation to Wayne many months ago...he declined, and said he would wait till a later date. Were booked far in advance...maybe after the NOC.
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I could give a rats ass about what the "people here" think, as they (for the most part) have no idea of what goes on...it's the IFBB athletes opinions that are of interest to me.
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Lee,
Quick question....
How many other IFBB pros have you talked to about this (Not counting Bob)?
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We expressed an open invitation to Wayne many months ago...he declined, and said he would wait till a later date. Were booked far in advance...maybe after the NOC.
who is on the show from now until the middle of september that wayne can't go on until after the noc?
sounds fishy and it ain't sushi
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Lee,
Quick question....
How many other IFBB pros have you talked to about this (Not counting Bob)?
Quite a few and all said they would like to but are scared of the backlash.Bob you mentioned sponsors also.Why wouldnt a sponsor want thier athlete competing as mush as possible get the name out there more.Do you think pepsi and coke and any other sponsor just sponsor one sport or federation?NO.But i do know a few sponsors who have been threaten to have their adds pulled from certain magazines if they went to sponsor PDI and being able to go to contests.Well i would say to hell with you then it's my money i sponsor what i like..Remember the IFBB needs the sponosrs money not the other way around.When will they ever learn.They need the sponsors,the athletes,the fans without that what is the IFBB just a name.
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Lee does have a point , the NZFBB treated there sponsors with discontent and arrogance for many years and now they are begging for sponsors and are in debt , there sponsors left in droves once the major supplement companies started to pull away , they were sick of having the NZFBB treat them as though they owed the NZFBB for being associated with them in the first place ,
I would suggest a pretty good test module to go by for the IFBB wouldn't you say !!
Oh and guess what Moe Mowassi was putting a show on here in NZ and none of the federations wanted to back it ,the NZFBB wouldn't have any thing to do with it as Moe and the NZFBB president hate each other , any how Moes show was gaining huge momentum as he was giving away 5k worth of prizes and money to the athletes and getting Troy Elves out to guest pose and do a seminar, but the show clashed with a NZFBB show , so the NZFBB got the IFBB to tell Troy he couldn't do it as it was a non sanctioned IFBB show and they told Moe if he went ahead with his show on his own with out IFBB approval he would lose his pro status , GEE TALK ABOUT PICKING AND CHOSING WHAT RULES TO ENFORCE HUH !!!
So now NO SHOW
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Lee, I support your PDI endeavors 100% but you never answered my question on page 9 and that was the 2nd time I asked.
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Now this statement is true - without these two, and the IFBB, we wouldnt have professional bodybuilding, for what it is, the way it is now. No matter what, these guys built it up, and the people below them helped grow the sport. And many of us make our money, from contract, from supplements, from the supplement industry, because of them. For good and bad. But that is a debate for another thread.
this isn't meant to be a cheap shot but one could also say that without these two, some "athletes" may not be getting sick to extent that they are today....Simply by having strict drug testing...Which should have been done many many years ago...Which these two pretended in there mags that it was not going on...Shame on them....Muscle Media blow it wide open and showed just what was really going on...
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Lee, I support your PDI endeavors 100% but you never answered my question on page 9 and that was the 2nd time I asked.
probaly not they all complain and don't do shit
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Article 8 – Drug Testing
1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.
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Article 8 – Drug Testing
1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.
The IFBB Rules, Code of Conduct, and Constitution are in PDF format on their website. If you downloaded them and printed them out on soft paper, it would substitute very well for toilet paper as that's about all it's good for.
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Article 8 – Drug Testing
1. Policy Statement:
Sport involves physical health and fitness, mental application and dedication to
training. Doping – the use of prohibited substances and/or prohibited methods –
to artificially enhance performance is unethical, contrary to the concept of fair
play, undermines the values of sport, and can endanger the health of the athletes.
The practice of doping is forbidden.
Here is some more great TP.
APPENDIX 1
to the
IFBB “ADMINISTRATIVE” PROFESSIONAL RULES
IFBB CODE OF ETHICS
Introduction:
The IFBB Code of Ethics exist as a set of beliefs that have been written to serve as guidelines for the
way in which all Members, be they athletes, judges, officials, administrators or others, should strive to
conduct themselves as Members of the IFBB family. National Federations and other Members join
the IFBB of their own free will and, in so doing, agree to abide by the IFBB Constitution and Rules of
which the Code of Ethics forms an integral part. Any Member who is found to have contravened the
Code of Ethics may be subject to disciplinary measures.
Athletes:
We, the athletes, realizing that our conduct reflects on the good name of the sport of bodybuilding,
fitness and figure, and realizing the responsibility thereby placed upon us, pledge ourselves:
1. to fulfill our responsibility to society, to other athletes, judges, officials, and administrators
of the IFBB.
2. to honour, dignify, and support the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure by competing in
the best condition and to the best of our ability, and by being in top shape when giving an
exhibition or a seminar.
3. to respect our opponents on equal terms in the spirit of friendly rivalry and good
sportsmanship.
4. to respect the IFBB Constitution and Rules as well as the rules of competition and to
observe them honestly in cooperation with other competitors, judges, officials,
administrators, and organizers.
5. to accept the decisions of the judges, officials and administrators in the spirit of good
sportsmanship without descending to selfish recriminations, realizing that these decisions
have been made honestly, fairly, and objectively.
6. to assist the IFBB in the promotion of bodybuilding, fitness and figure by acting as a
goodwill ambassador of the sport, promoting the sport in a positive manner, and protecting
the good image and integrity of the sport and the IFBB.
7. to work for the IFBB, not against it, in promoting its values, morals and ethics; to exercise
our right of protest in a courteous, respectful manner, following the proper chain of
command; to refrain from malicious gossip and rumour-mongering; to refrain from personal
attacks against any other Member of the IFBB.
8. to continue striving for bodily perfection and correct moral principles.
9. to honour the special trust conferred upon us by our participation in, and by our
representation of, the IFBB and our country, at international events, and to adhere to the
standards of personal conduct expected of us.
10. to recognize the value of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and to promote its future by
serving as an example to inspire other people to participate.
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11. to cooperate with our officials and administrators in the development of high standards,
both moral and physical, for the sport of bodybuilding, fitness and figure and in the
progressive furtherance of the objects of the IFBB.
12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drug-free.13. to refrain from any conduct that may be considered prejudicial; to conduct ourselves at all
times in a manner that reflects positively upon the image of the sport of bodybuilding,
fitness and figure, the Pro Division and the IFBB.
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12. to oppose the use of banned substances and methods and to compete drug-free.
What does ''competing drug-free'' mean?????
Having no drugs in your system at the time of competing, or drug free for a couple of months or years?
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probaly not they all complain and don't do shit
Lee,
I suggest you find some way to have that PDF of the IFBB rules printed up, dated and notarized as legitimate. Else, when you end up in court, all the "will result" quotes in the rulebook will have been changed to "may result", and you'll be in big trouble. You won't be able to prove they were modiifed.
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Lee,
I suggest you find some way to have that PDF of the IFBB rules printed up, dated and notarized as legitimate. Else, when you end up in court, all the "will result" quotes in the rulebook will have been changed to "may result", and you'll be in big trouble. You won't be able to prove they were modiifed.
All the rules state that now...(may result in, may be subject to, etc...) I've been pointing that out since day 1...
The other thing Lee doesn't realize is that the "Code of conduct" rules he's so fond of reciting, are merely "guidelines"...basically they SUGGEST that they are followed and tell us that you may be subject to diciplinary action, blah, blah....But there is a clear difference between the RULE of competing in a non sanctioned show, and the GUIDELINES suggesting not engaging in nudity, porn,offensive language, etc.
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Chick, the rules clearly state that doping is forbidden. Period. That they don't test the pros is known by guys like me who are apparently out of the loop. What are you doing about this? Or do you use, too, and so does everyone else in the so-called professional division and therefore since everyone does use drugs you can't do anything about it.
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Chick, the rules clearly state that doping is forbidden. Period. That they don't test the pros is known by guys like me who are apparently out of the loop. What are you doing about this? Or do you use, too, and so does everyone else in the so-called professional division and therefore since everyone does use drugs you can't do anything about it.
Doping IS against the rules...and if were caught, we face being fined, suspended, etc. If and when the IFBB decides to test...that's up to them...why would I "do anything about it?" Who's bitchin?
In the same manner as competing in other federations, no one has brought it up to me (the athletes)....when I see a significant number of athletes demanding to be drug tested, I'll submit it in a proposal on their behalf.
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Bob, you are a gem. I think you spend too much time online. I confess I do, too. We used to give a Mr Consistency award to the guys who trained hard but got nowhere. Seems to me you are IFBB Mr Consistency.
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Just an honest answer to your question...
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Well, Bob, as the athletes rep you are in a position to argue for drug free contests because that is in line with the spirit of bodybuilding and better for longevity and health. You are in a position to show some leadership. Contrary to what you said, sometimes one person can make a huge difference.
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Well, Bob, as the athletes rep you are in a position to argue for drug free contests because that is in line with the spirit of bodybuilding and better for longevity and health. You are in a position to show some leadership. Contrary to what you said, sometimes one person can make a huge difference.
You're right, Vince...
"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"
Happy to help...
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You're right, Vince...
"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"
Happy to help...
meltdown.
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You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.
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You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.
This is the new Olympic credo. As well as Pro Baseball, Football, Cycling, Hockey, insert any sport here.
Naivety doesn't suit you.
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I am a realist. It might be possible to win the Olympia drug free but highly unlikely. Since almost all current Olympia competitors have used drugs I guess we will never see this happen. I suppose every Mr Olympia used steroids. That is still not an argument that we all should use and endorse drugs.
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One thing's for sure. the very lowly 1970 Mr Canada champ will probably outlive the entire current crop of top IFBB guys.
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I am a realist. It might be possible to win the Olympia drug free but highly unlikely. Since almost all current Olympia competitors have used drugs I guess we will never see this happen. I suppose every Mr Olympia used steroids. That is still not an argument that we all should use and endorse drugs.
The reality is, as long as one dollar is on the line somebody will cheat to earn it.
Honour was banished from BB'ing a long time ago and I see nobody ressurecting it.
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...as opposed to OTHER sports?
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...as opposed to OTHER sports?
tsk tsk...
I narrowed my point just to Bodybuilding because that was what Vince was focussing on.
The broad spectrum goes well beyond sports, how about the porn industry (for example) as well, some where you have to draw a line and make a point relevant to the topic.
I am not running for office and don't need to be vague.
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All the rules state that now...(may result in, may be subject to, etc...) I've been pointing that out since day 1...
The other thing Lee doesn't realize is that the "Code of conduct" rules he's so fond of reciting, are merely "guidelines"...basically they SUGGEST that they are followed and tell us that you may be subject to diciplinary action, blah, blah....But there is a clear difference between the RULE of competing in a non sanctioned show, and the GUIDELINES suggesting not engaging in nudity, porn,offensive language, etc.
So knowing this is how it was worded in their rulebook, the Weider's actually expected the Olympic committee to give them the time of day? Seems odd to me...
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The "code of conduct" rules have been changed and updated to reflect the times over the years...There have always been soem "guidelines" of what a federation expects from it's members...
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You know, this sport is insane and just about everyone belongs in an asylum. Why would anyone argue that drugs are necessary because others are using them. Stuff the drugs. Get back to training and making gains from that alone. All the rest is just a sham.
You should save that argument for smokers and drunk drivers. They kill way more people than steroids.
BTW, you can say that because steroids weren't a big factor in the 60's. If you were competing today, you would be juicing like everyone else is
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You should save that argument for smokers and drunk drivers. They kill way more people than steroids.
BTW, you can say that because steroids weren't a big factor in the 60's. If you were competing today, you would be juicing like everyone else is
you got any more pics Vince?
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Just clarifying , A DRUG FREE show doesn't mean you can enter cause all the gear you have taken was FREE or they are giving away FREE DRUGS at the said show ,,, DOES IT ? :-\!!??
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Mr Goodrum is not logical in this thread. Why should anyone support using steroids? That is nuts. If the scientists can come up with safe vitamins that accelerate muscle growth we will all be taking them. At the moment steroids are not that safe and I wonder about the sanity of people fooling around with their bodies. Why would anyone use growth hormone or other powerful drugs? Is winning a bodybuilding contest that important? I don't think so. Ray Mentzer and I used to have this very discussion. He said that most steroids were 'gonad stimulators' and not dangerous. Well, Ray died tragically at age 47. He was an intelligent guy and so was Mike who died that weekend aged 49. Both those men abused chemicals and that contributed to their demise. Seems to me everyone should try to live longer and be healthier.
Whatever point is there to use those chemicals when it is an even bigger challenge to be competitive drug free? Others have done it in the past. What makes me shake my head is to see so many guys with hardly much potential use drugs and create monstrosities instead of beautiful bodies.
The IFBB has lost the plot and they are too afraid the competitors will defect to another organization if they enforce their own rules.
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Mr Goodrum is not logical in this thread. Why should anyone support using steroids? That is nuts. If the scientists can come up with safe vitamins that accelerate muscle growth we will all be taking them. At the moment steroids are not that safe and I wonder about the sanity of people fooling around with their bodies. Why would anyone use growth hormone or other powerful drugs? Is winning a bodybuilding contest that important? I don't think so. Ray Mentzer and I used to have this very discussion. He said that most steroids were 'gonad stimulators' and not dangerous. Well, Ray died tragically at age 47. He was an intelligent guy and so was Mike who died that weekend aged 49. Both those men abused chemicals and that contributed to their demise. Seems to me everyone should try to live longer and be healthier.
Whatever point is there to use those chemicals when it is an even bigger challenge to be competitive drug free? Others have done it in the past. What makes me shake my head is to see so many guys with hardly much potential use drugs and create monstrosities instead of beautiful bodies.
The IFBB has lost the plot and they are too afraid the competitors will defect to another organization if they enforce their own rules.
Obviously, you've never met the Mentzers in your entire life. Mike Mentzer did die of a heart attack however his father died of the same thing around his age. The reason for his death had nothing to do with steroids. His heart attack was caused by blood clots that were in his bloodstream, same as his father. He even discussed it before his death. Blood clots also cause problems with the kidney's and liver. Even though he was taking blood thinners, he even knew he was dying soon which is why he worked so hard to complete his HIT video which he did the day before his death
Vince, their deaths were caused simply by their family genes and you should next time speak to Joanne Sharkey first before making accusations and slander about people who obviously can't defend themselves.
The fact that you're still alive and well has nothing to do with you not taking steroids.
Its by the grace of God. When your time is up....its up.
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Ray stayed at my place with Kathy and Dagny for many months back in 1988. I have photos to prove this. I introduced Ray to his wife on New Year's Eve that year. I stayed with them in April 1991 in Redondo Beach. I talked to Mike in 1991 at Golds Venice. Ray even worked in my gym for a while.
I am not saying that steroids led to their demise but they were reckless with chemicals. There can be no doubt about that whatever. When Ray was in Australia he competed in a show in Melbourne but lost to Sonny Schmidt. Ray wanted to win a bigger title than Mr America and he went back to America to do so. He told me in 1991 that many of the big guys were getting sick when they weighed about 300 pounds. The same thing happened to him but he never told me what the problem was. The last time I talked to Ray was in 1994.
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In the same manner as competing in other federations, no one has brought it up to me (the athletes)....when I see a significant number of athletes demanding to be drug tested, I'll submit it in a proposal on their behalf.
Actually Chick,
based on your unwillingness to do your job and "represent" an IFBB athlete (Lee) regarding the PDI
it is unlikely that you would submit a proposal for something Manion and company would be opposed to i.e. drug testing.
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You're right, Vince...
"HEY, ALL YOU GUYS TAKING DRUGS OUT THERE....STOP IT RIGHT NOW!! IF NOT FOR VINCE...DO IT FOR THE SPIRIT OF BODYBUILDING!!"
Happy to help...
just curious Chick,
where does in the rulebook does it state that doping is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?
surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?
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just curious Chick,
where does in the rulebook does it state that doping is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?
surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?
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Ray stayed at my place with Kathy and Dagny for many months back in 1988. I have photos to prove this. I introduced Ray to his wife on New Year's Eve that year. I stayed with them in April 1991 in Redondo Beach. I talked to Mike in 1991 at Golds Venice. Ray even worked in my gym for a while.
I am not saying that steroids led to their demise but they were reckless with chemicals. There can be no doubt about that whatever. When Ray was in Australia he competed in a show in Melbourne but lost to Sonny Schmidt. Ray wanted to win a bigger title than Mr America and he went back to America to do so. He told me in 1991 that many of the big guys were getting sick when they weighed about 300 pounds. The same thing happened to him but he never told me what the problem was. The last time I talked to Ray was in 1994.
Seriously, don't answer Vince Goodrum, he's not got inside information on anybody, has nothing to do with any of the people he's accusing you of not having anything to do with and overall, just kind of talks shit.
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just curious Chick,
where does in the rulebook does it state that doping is less of an offense than
competing outside of the IFBB?
surely you can't pull the "these are only guidelines" card on both of these rules ?
It doesn't...they are both listed under rules, and anyone who crosses over to a non sanctioned federation OR tests positive on a drug test, would both be suspended without question.
The code of conduct is clearly stated as guidelines.
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Obviously, you've never met the Mentzers in your entire life. Mike Mentzer did die of a heart attack however his father died of the same thing around his age. The reason for his death had nothing to do with steroids. His heart attack was caused by blood clots that were in his bloodstream, same as his father. He even discussed it before his death. Blood clots also cause problems with the kidney's and liver. Even though he was taking blood thinners, he even knew he was dying soon which is why he worked so hard to complete his HIT video which he did the day before his death
Vince, their deaths were caused simply by their family genes and you should next time speak to Joanne Sharkey first before making accusations and slander about people who obviously can't defend themselves.
The fact that you're still alive and well has nothing to do with you not taking steroids.
Its by the grace of God. When your time is up....its up.
Vince, I bet you NEVER met either of them. Why pretend to know shit when you don't. ANd who is Joanne Sharkey. Hope that isn't Arnold PR person. I remember her name being something like that
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Hey, Keith, it gets to be a bit of a drag around here when those of us who always tell it like it is are challenged for our integrity. I never lie on discussion boards. I get calls telling me to not say stuff about some people. I leave the truth up. I really dislike those who want to change reality and the past.
We should talk on the phone, Keith. I have voip now so it is just 3 cents a minute to the USA. Send me an email or a PM with your number and tell me when it is convenient to call. I used to like my name but now I am not so sure 'Vince' is such a good name on this site!
ovincez@yahoo.com
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Joanne Sharkey is associated with Mentzer enterprises.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Joanne+Sharkey&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
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It doesn't...they are both listed under rules, and anyone who crosses over to a non sanctioned federation OR tests positive on a drug test, would both be suspended without question.
Oh, so selective application of the "rules" is ok in the IFBB/
thanks for clarifying Chick
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Oh, so selective application of the "rules" is ok in the IFBB/
thanks for clarifying Chick
How do you figure? I just said, EITHER offense would result in suspention...where's the "selective application"?
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Hey, Keith, it gets to be a bit of a drag around here when those of us who always tell it like it is are challenged for our integrity. I never lie on discussion boards. I get calls telling me to not say stuff about some people. I leave the truth up. I really dislike those who want to change reality and the past.
We should talk on the phone, Keith. I have voip now so it is just 3 cents a minute to the USA. Send me an email or a PM with your number and tell me when it is convenient to call. I used to like my name but now I am not so sure 'Vince' is such a good name on this site!
ovincez@yahoo.com
Too challenged for your integrity??? What's that suppose to mean?? If you had some integrity, you would not have made the assessment of the cause of death for the Mentzer's. Shows complete dishonor for the dead and its based on an unsubstantiated assumption. You are well old enough to know better than to openly make a comment like that.
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Too challenged for your integrity??? What's that suppose to mean?? If you had some integrity, you would not have made the assessment of the cause of death for the Mentzer's. Shows complete dishonor for the dead and its based on an unsubstantiated assumption. You are well old enough to know better than to openly make a comment like that.
aren't you the same guy who told the world that trevor smith committed suicide???????
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aren't you the same guy who told the world that trevor smith committed suicide???????
You have to see on here that Vince is not taken serioulsy or at all in anything he says. He does allot of reading and internet surfing to find something to talk about. He comes on here pretending to know so much about this industry yet 100% of what he posts is either somewhere else on the net or he reads it someplace. He is the GetBig Jester, troll, imbecile, moron etc. But,he has a great body.
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You have to see on here that Vince is not taken serioulsy or at all in anything he says. He does allot of reading and internet surfing to find something to talk about. He comes on here pretending to know so much about this industry yet 100% of what he posts is either somewhere else on the net or he reads it someplace. He is the GetBig Jester, troll, imbecile, moron etc. But,he has a great body.
Funny thing is , how do you know that is vince g in that pic? How do you know that vince g is black? None of yall have met him. You all have been joking on that pic but that may be somebody else. Have you thought about that?
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Funny thing is , how do you know that is vince g in that pic? How do you know that vince g is black? None of yall have met him. You all have been joking on that pic but that may be somebody else. Have you thought about that?
By that standard, just about anyone could post any pic and say it was them.
Vince competed though, in 2004. his pics were up on their official website. he runs a an online supplement business. And he has posted a series of examples, from locker room shots, to scans of state IDs, to prove his identity. Vince is a real person.
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By that standard, just about anyone could post any pic and say it was them.
Vince competed though, in 2004. his pics were up on their official website. he runs a an online supplement business. And he has posted a series of examples, from locker room shots, to scans of state IDs, to prove his identity. Vince is a real person.
Anybody could claim that they are a certain person online. Vince may be an real person but the person that is using his pics may be somebody else
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Anybody could claim that they are a certain person online. Vince may be an real person but the person that is using his pics may be somebody else
his business website, state ID, and company info all go through the same name that he used for the contest. It's him. You don't seriously doubt that, do you?
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I respected Ray and Mike Mentzer. Both were intelligent guys and Mike was a true philosopher and a good writer. I considered Ray a personal friend and I was devastated to hear that he died at age 47. We never did hear what the official cause of death was but he apparently had a kidney disease that could have been inherited. Whether his lifestyle precipitated his death I doubt anyone can say for certain but I suspect that Ray was reckless when preparing for contests and the longterm consequences could have contributed to his ill health. Ray was always earnest about things and I think it is a tragedy that he died so young and the way he did. It really is a pity that the IFBB can't make a stand about doping because we are losing way too many guys. The bodybuilders in the 1940s and 50s seem to live longer than the guys who came after them. We have examples of guys getting sick and crippled and are we supposed to imagine that their drugs had nothing to do with it? We might not have specific knowledge but we can have a theory about what happened. I think if we read up on what happened to many top guys we will have to acknowledge that drugs play a part in negative health and even death. I have no idea why most people think it is something to be ashamed of to suffer from steroids or other substances. I guess many feel it might not happen to them. Surely everyone knows there are risks associated with taking drugs, etc. Why do you think several countries have made those substances illegal?
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so would you say the mentzos died because of steroids?
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How do you figure? I just said, EITHER offense would result in suspention...where's the "selective application"?
Chick, I'm going to go out on a limb here but Manion and company just may not drug test the olympia as it
may render our sports greatest athlete, MR. Olympia, a drug using cheater (i.e. from having broken the rules).
hence the blatant selective application.
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They haven't drug tested any other show this year, either...
You're not making any sense..
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Chick, I'm going to go out on a limb here but Manion and company just may not drug test the olympia as it
may render our sports greatest athlete, MR. Olympia, a drug using cheater (i.e. from having broken the rules).
hence the blatant selective application.
That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
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have you lost your mind completely?
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That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
I just laughed so hard I broke a rib
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That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
I would suggest pure lean mass quantity would be a dead give away !!
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That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
3 to 5 gyno surguries in one decade may be a dead give away don't ya think :-\
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That's just pure speculation on your part. There is no evidence that Ronnie Coleman (or any other athlete on the Olympia stage) uses performance enhancing drugs.
Man I just squirted milk out of my nose. That is one of the funniest posts ever on Getbig.
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They haven't drug tested any other show this year, either...
You're not making any sense..
And this statement makes total sense. It's exact proof that the IFBB is full of shit. Explain why there is a rule book for the IFBB. Come up with say 3 good answers why the IFBB has a rule book.
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And this statement makes total sense. It's exact proof that the IFBB is full of shit. Explain why there is a rule book for the IFBB. Come up with say 3 good answers why the IFBB has a rule book.
1. It makes a great coaster
2. Ben's desk has one leg shorter then the rest
3. Throwing the chinese take out menu at Lee doesn't have the same impact.
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And this statement makes total sense. It's exact proof that the IFBB is full of shit. Explain why there is a rule book for the IFBB. Come up with say 3 good answers why the IFBB has a rule book.
It makes perfect sense to the question asked...
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And this statement makes total sense. It's exact proof that the IFBB is full of shit. Explain why there is a rule book for the IFBB. Come up with say 3 good answers why the IFBB has a rule book.
1) The Weiders originally planned to add 300 pages of ads to it and sell it for $7.99 on newstands.
2) Some of the shorter bodybuilders stand on it to kiss Ben Weider's ass.
3) It's laced with Anadrol-50 so pros can grow just by thumbing through it.
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1) The Weiders originally planned to add 300 pages of ads to it and sell it for $7.99 on newstands.
2) Some of the shorter bodybuilders stand on it to kiss Ben Weider's ass.
3) It's laced with Anadrol-50 so pros can grow just by thumbing through it.
funny, very good stuff.
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Too challenged for your integrity??? What's that suppose to mean?? If you had some integrity, you would not have made the assessment of the cause of death for the Mentzer's. Shows complete dishonor for the dead and its based on an unsubstantiated assumption. You are well old enough to know better than to openly make a comment like that.
LOL! "unsubstantiated assumption"? WTF? You're just like that Wayans guy who used to do that comedy skit of a con in jail trying to use big words. Assumptions are just that. They don't require substantiation. You are such a doofus.
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They haven't drug tested any other show this year, either...
You're not making any sense..
I guess its hard to make sense of anything when the truth hurts.
Chick your logic is very weak. I'm not sure why Ron Avidan has mistaken you for a "good debater"
Not drug testing and therfore not enforcing the drug RULE, while enforcing other RULES as the IFBB sees fit
is nothing short of hypocrisy.
I've asked you before for some sort of hierarchy of importance regarding the rules, that you had mentioned...
however you've offering nothing.
Chick, I'm afraid to tell you (again) but,
THE IFBB SELECTIVELY APPLIES ITS RULES!!!!
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By that standard, just about anyone could post any pic and say it was them.
Vince competed though, in 2004. his pics were up on their official website. he runs a an online supplement business. And he has posted a series of examples, from locker room shots, to scans of state IDs, to prove his identity. Vince is a real person.
You can also check with the SC Dept of Consumer Affairs. I recently got licensed as a legal service representive yesterday to sell pre-paid legal services through my company.... ;D
South Carolina sure knows how to rape someone in licenses and etc
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I guess its hard to make sense of anything when the truth hurts.
Chick your logic is very weak. I'm not sure why Ron Avidan has mistaken you for a "good debater"
Not drug testing and therfore not enforcing the drug RULE, while enforcing other RULES as the IFBB sees fit
is nothing short of hypocrisy.
I've asked you before for some sort of hierarchy of importance regarding the rules, that you had mentioned...
however you've offering nothing.
Chick, I'm afraid to tell you (again) but,
THE IFBB SELECTIVELY APPLIES ITS RULES!!!!
You have to know how to read and interpret rules before making comment on whether or not they are "selectively enforced"...
It is clearly stated that they "reserve the right" to drug test...athletes are "subject to..." it does not state that they will absolutely drug test every show....for that matter, they can elect NOT to suspend Lee for crossing over, although the likelyhood of that is slim given the precedent that has been set in that reguard...
Anyone who HAS failed a drug test HAS been fined, or suspended or both. Your argument STILL holds no water as they don't HAVE to test, they reserve the right to....
Let me break it down even further for you:
athlete failed drug test....result: fined/ suspended
athlete crossed over.......result: fined/ suspended
get it now?
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ITS ALL SO CLEAR TO ME NOW! lol :o
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yeah im with chick and lee
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You have to know how to read and interpret rules before making comment on whether or not they are "selectively enforced"...
It is clearly stated that they "reserve the right" to drug test...athletes are "subject to..." it does not state that they will absolutely drug test every show....for that matter, they can elect NOT to suspend Lee for crossing over, although the likelyhood of that is slim given the precedent that has been set in that reguard...
Anyone who HAS failed a drug test HAS been fined, or suspended or both. Your argument STILL holds no water as they don't HAVE to test, they reserve the right to....
Let me break it down even further for you:
athlete failed drug test....result: fined/ suspended
athlete crossed over.......result: fined/ suspended
get it now?
gee Chick, I wonder why they don't drug test more often..
here is some simple IFBB logic,
no drug testing -> don't have to enforce failed drug test rule
rebellious athlete we don't like crosses over -> enforce the crossing federation rule
Bob Chick makes slanderous comments about IFBB pro women in a public forum -> no need to enforce the ethics rule